August 21, 2024 • 36 mins
In this edition of The Midway, Doug and the crew talk about athletes that have changed their sport. Doug and Dan Beyer continue their exchange about athletes that have changed the sport. Doug reacts to Tom Brady's list of top four quarterbacks. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a Wednesday edition of "The Press"
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a second. But before we get to the midway, I
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gotta ask you I buyer you guys, You and jays
do you guys are perfect for this conversation. And by
the way, the midway is middle of the day, middle
of the week, middle of the show. We just sometimes
vamp on a bunch of topics and we'll get to
the one for today upcoming. But have you seen this
story that TMZ had about some guy named Darryl Ducett?
Who's like five eight, one hundred and forty pounds and
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he wants to be in the Olympics in flag football.
He's like, he's like, yeah, this is some guy. I
mean again, anybody ever heard of him? Whatever? Take a
listen to this guy, and of course it's going viral
on TMZ. At the end of the.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Day, I feel like I'm better than Patrick Mahomes because
of my IQ of the game. I know he's right
now the best in the league. I know he's more accurate,
I know he has all these intangibles, but when it
comes to flag football, I feel like I know more
than him.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Listen, I do understand that flag football is a different
game than the NFL and that the size pause of
Patrick Mahomes is not as necessary because there's no lineman
to see over. I mean, part of the reason you
got to be big in the NFL is to see right.
But yeah, what do we what are we doing? This
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is my question for TMZ. TMZ has this cottage industry,
not just TMC's cottage industries, not just with being the
first on the scene or getting the inside details the
stories that traditional media outlets can't get, mostly because they'll
pay for their stories and others will not. But like,
(02:27):
why are we are we we're giving this guy auction
gin to say something that we all know is false,
stupid and really ridiculous, right, I just I almost imagine
like this guy's sitting there thinking he killed it. Look, man,
I'm viral, I'm here, I'm there, TMZ, Twitter, TikTok, you
name it, Like what'd you do to get there? Like
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you know, I'm better than Pat Mahomes and fly football? Like,
I don't know you, bro, Dan Byer, when you saw
that story, what was the first thing you thought?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I just thought it was giving hype for the flag
football sport. It was an attention getter.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yes, yeah, we don't. I mean we do make fun
of breakdancing, but flag football is the breakdancing of like Americans, Like,
what are we doing having flag football being Olympic sport?
What are we actually doing?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I actually don't mind it as much. I think that
at some point, you know, football is going to evolve
in a certain way. And maybe I wouldn't have said
this twenty years ago, but you know, I even look
at golf. Golf is thriving right now, but golf went
through a bit of a crisis that say, five ten
years ago, and trying to get people to play the game.
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Now people are back playing. But then you had spin offs,
you had shorter courses. Heck, you have foot golf. There's
a lot of disc golf is popular among many, so
there are different ways to do it. So I just
look at flag foot wall is something like that.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So would you promote disc golf to be in the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, I think that would be great.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I think it would actually be a lot more competitive
than flag football. Flag football strikes me as a Hey,
we tied China for gold medals, what can we do
to get another gold medal? Flag football? We could literally
have ten teams and no one else would even compete.
We did have no there's literally no other shot none. Anyway,
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I was just I saw that guy, and I was
just I get that you're hyping it up something that's
four years away, But man, come on.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Dude, I love thinking about things that we would do
best in the Olympics. Let's just have an event for
getting into credit card debt.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Government spending.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
The government spending we would lead.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
In instead of I think, instead of like the I
don't know, what the biothel on and stuff where you
do cross country and shoot.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Yes, we should just do mass shootings US number one.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, we've been number one in that. We could do
the like the GTA, like GTA as an Olympic event,
you know, right, like fake GTA with like you're literally
running around being chased and shooting people.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
How about this, which healthcare system could charge the most
to their citizens.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Let's get to the midway, shall we please? It's time for.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
The midway?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Jay Stu, what's the midway topic? Ten?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I thought about this one. I heard what Kevin Stefanski said.
He uh, he made the following comparison between Patrick Mahomes
and Steph Court.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
You know, it's funny, like it's almost you know, Steph
Curry changed basketball.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
I think Mahomes is changing football.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
You're watching quarterbacks come out and play that style that
they comport themselves like him. So I would not be
surprised if you start seeing that around.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Certainly our league.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
You're gonna see kids in high school trying it.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Now, they better complete it. They're going to hear from
their head coach.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
So it reminded me of this, like how many athletes
over the years that we've been doing this, have been
responsible for changing the sport, if not like an aspect
of the sport. I think that you could draw on
examples like way back when I guess Wilt Chamberlain change
the sport of what they couldn't dunk. I forget what
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exactly did, but Steph Curry is the most recent tangible
example of a guy who completely changed the sport that
they play. And then Caitlin Clark, I think is another
aspect of that. I want to know, like what athletes
are over the years have changed an aspect of their
sport or their their sport and how hard that is?
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Any examples come to mind readily.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I have won that it's not the sport, but I
feel it's the position. We look at it. We looked
at it differently ever since. Sure, And I think it's
Randy Moss when he came into the NFL in just
looking at numbers, Randy Moss's first year, While he didn't
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lead the NFL and receiving yardage, he did lead the
NFL in yards per catch at nineteen yards, had seventeen
touchdowns his rookie season. The year before, the highest I
think average catch was about sixteen or seventeen yards per catch.
So Rice was you know, two yards past that, which
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is actually you know, a bit significant, but just the
freakish athlete that he was as well with the size
and speed. I you know, there's a lot of the
Steph Curry talk you know lately, But I say Randy
Moss and that wide receiver position when we thought it
was mastered because and nobody would top Jerry Rice and
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what he was doing. Along comes Randy Moss in his
supreme talent and sets the world on fire. I'm not
saying that he paid the way for guys like to
or others, but Randy Moss to me, was just a
guy that changed the wide receiver position because of how
freakishly talented he was.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
It's just so weird. I'm going to actually take something
I thought Dan would go with, and it's Tiger Woods.
And it wasn't because Tiger was better than everybody, because
there was a stretch there when he was clearly better
than everybody. But he was the He gets the credit
for being a legit athlete and working on his body
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as much as his golf game. Right, that guy's golfers
look different, not all of them, Okay, not John Daley,
not others, but not all of them, but a lot
of them, especially these the younger guys look different, bigger,
more powerful, and Tiger Woods is that guy dead?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah? Yeah, I yes, I think that's that's weird.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
The fitness, the fitness and lifting especially.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Sure, I don't know what I'm not.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I don't know enough about golf swing at all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
No, there's I was gonna say there was about ninety
different things that I feel like Tiger Woods ended up,
you know, changing, I will say that, And I don't
know if it was because of him. I do think
that length in the hitting, how far he hit the ball.
I was waiting for you to say, pause, does yes?
(09:32):
You know John Daily led the PGA Tour in driving
distance for you know, a long time. Every year it
was John Daly. Bubba Watson was not a trendsetter, but
because he hit the ball so far and his wins
at Augusta in how he could cut the corner on thirteen,
because he was a lefty, I feel like Bubba's emergence
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of distance changed some of golf as well, where now
it became so much of a and the technology and
golf plays a big role in it. But yeah, with Tiger,
there was so many, so many things. And I think
the fitness aspect is a good one because when you
look at the PGA Tour players of the of the
nineteen nineties, not that they were out of shape, but
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they just didn't look like athletes.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah. How about Randy Johnson in baseball? Just I mean,
and again I probably don't I can't go back into
the Baseball Almanac and pick out guys, but the again,
pause size, length of Randy Johnson as a pitcher was
just you know, I saw that doc. I'm watching some
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of that doc stuff on Creig Maddox the MOB Network.
By the way, it looks like it's fantastic, but he's
talking about how he you know, you're talking about a
complete opposite guy, a massive power pitcher. But remember he
started in USC than Montreal, and he is incredibly Why
it was wait, Seattle that Montreal or Montreal.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
The thing I would say to that is, I don't
I didn't see other six ten pitchers coming to major
League baseball. Yeah, well yeah, but here's the difference.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Here's the difference. He is the exception. But if you
look at starting pitchers now, not only is it all
about power? But like people want to know what's happened to,
you know, to NFL quarterbacks or even to like a
lot of white basketball players. A lot of them are
just pitchers. If you're six ' five and above six
three sixty four, like those pictures are gigantic. The small pitchers,
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the Randy myers Is of the world are few and
far between. The Tim Linsecombs are few and far between.
A lot of them now are six or five and above.
Not his size, but.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Pause, I was thinking about.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I don't know who exactly, but I'm going to say
it's Al Rodriguez, even though he was roided to the gills.
I want to say he changed the shortstop position fit
his sizeuzz It was the size, but also the production.
Like when we were coming up, your shortstop batted eighth,
your short stop Smith shortstop had thirty RBIs but was
(12:08):
in there for defense. There are at least sixteen shortstops
right now in the major leagues who are productive hitters
in the top three slots of the lineup. It is
the golden era of shortstops as far as power and
production and all the analytics stuff that people love. And
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I think that Alex Rodriguez was really the first. You
could say Cayle Ripkin, but he was more of an
outlier back then. But I think Alex Rodriguez opened the
food game.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
What man, this is a there's a lot of interesting
baseball once, a lot of interesting guys in baseball, And
you're right, Alex Rodriguez does strike me as a guy
who was much more, much more prodigious power than other
guys at at his spot. I have a guy who
changed basketball, who plays in the NBA, and I believe
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is a sport changer the midway Traymond Green. Okay, Draymond Green.
They won championships with Draymond Green at center right. The
death lineup, the small ball lineup is Draymond Green would
guard the center that forever. Now it was helped by
the rules where now you can kind of do whatever
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you want in the low post right and people falling
in love with a three point shot. But he could
be super physical. Not a lot of low post threats.
They didn't run in any yo kitches along the way
back then when they when they won a championship, and
even then, you know those guys struggled to cover out
in the court Draymond Green at center has changed the sport.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
That's a good one. You guys are both college football guys.
You guys are both college football, so well, maybe this
is a point of argument. Maybe we can take a
break and debate this. Who is getting credit? Who got
credit for give me a coach or a quarterback?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Or who is the spread?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Who is the name of the spread? Off offense and football?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
That's easy. It started with Rich Rodriguez was the godfather
of the spread, running the football on the spread. But
Mike Leach, Mike Leach, it was at Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I was gonna say, hell.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Then he was at Oklahoma for a year before he
got to Texas Tech. Mike Leach, Mike Leach, Rich Rodriez
the two godfathers the spread. Leech throwing it and he'd
brought he brought the forward pass to the SEC when
he was at Kentucky and then at Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
You know well how mommy was at Kentucky in the
late eventeen nineties.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yes, but he was his OC I believe when they
had Helmay so almost.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Positive and there's different and there's the there's the spread,
and there's the air raid. Rodriguez would be a run
sort of offense. The air raid is the hell mummy offense.
Don't forget the pistol, Chris Ault. I love it. I
love it because Sam is right. Did it change the game?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Null?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
But Sam is right, that's.
Speaker 8 (15:03):
A helped kids Colin Kaepernick into the NFL and do
stort big things.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, that's fair and people use it right. That's where
the running back is, you know, five yards behind the
quarterback who was in the shotgun.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
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Speaker 1 (15:27):
I think the thing we got to guys in the
midway is, I don't know if your brain is like that.
I once upon a time I asked, I think I
might have asked on radio and my show is on
CBS Sports Network. I said, like, who is the first
guy throw a back shoulder back shoulder fade? And Phil
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Simms called me during the show, like to my cell phone,
He's like call me, or he's texting me, like call me.
During the break. You know, he's like, you know I
was the first one to throw back shoulder throw. He's
like and he starts naming off the game, like, yeah,
we just they were overplaying, you know, fades see whatever
we throw back shoulder through it was like you sure
you didn't underthrow it right, but fills the best? But
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byer does your brain work that way? It seems to
be where And I think, Jay stud this is what
you touched on with your idea behind the midway, which
is like the etymology like who was the first to
do this? Because Steph Curry wasn't the first to just
shoot crazy long jump shots and actually shoot it at
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a pretty good clip That was actually Gilbert A. Renas.
What I think separate Steph Curry is one he shoots
a better percentage, but two Steph shoots it feels like
equally off the catch off the dribble going left and
he can shoot going right. Most guys can go they
go one way much better than they go the other way.
And there are guys that are you know, Klay Thompson,
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catch and shoot. You know, if it's a dribble, it's
wonderable in.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Place, you know, I think, And not to discredit Steph
Curry because he is the greatest shooter we've ever seen
in basketball. It's the fact of also of how the
Warriors played, how the mid range jump shot it become
obsolete in basketball and a lot of different levels. And
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it's why I also bring up Randy Moss is you know,
this is an era in the late nineties of the
NFL where we've got running backs, you know, running and
catching the ball out of backfields and you know, the
be all of everything. And and I think that they're
so discredited when we talk about them in the Hall
of Fame, but now just of how everything is heavy
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on the quarterbacks. I don't remember growing up watching teams
maybe outside of the Raiders, chucking the ball down the field,
you know, and like throwing it deep. Yeah, like we
saw the Oilers in the run and shoot, but it
wasn't like Randy Moss, go and get this or we're
going to be And I felt like maybe and he
was in an offense that, you know, with Brian Billick
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at the time where you had Chris Carter and you
had Jake Reid and you had weapons and you were
throwing the football. But I also felt like just because
of the big playability of Randy Moss, that that changed
somewhat in the NFL that we didn't always see that
big play, and I feel like we get it more
and more in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, And I think part of that is it was
the West Coast offense right where the West Coast offense
wasn't it was. It wasn't what they were doing with
the Raiders. It was you know, I don't want to
say dink and dunk, but it was a lot of slants,
you know, a lot of catch and runs, a lot
of get rid of it quickly, and that was that
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was kind of the opposite of it, right. And then
we saw went with the ke gun offense in Buffalo.
That was a lot lot of short intermediate passes. So
you bring up a great point that Randy did, whether
he brought it back or he brought a new style
to it, or it was I mean, part of it
was like you just had trust that he would go
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and make a play and just run and throw it up,
whereas we had fallen in love with and rightfully so,
the route running of the of the greats in the game.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I would also say just the percentage went up when
Randy Moss was on the field, where if you thought
maybe it was a ten percent proposition with anybody else
with Randy Moss, maybe it was fifty to fifty.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Maybe it was more of.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
This side of him, So it was worth taking those
those shots downfield.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, yeah, And I think you know, des Bryant was
a guy who, Look, he wasn't Randy in terms of
his overall career or his overall speed, but he was
in terms of I never forget. I had coaches at
Oklhoma State tell me when he was there. Then they
were like, look, there are other guys, you know. They
it was even Justin Blackman, who was an all time
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great college player obviously had personal problems in the pros.
They both won the Boltanical Ward, and they were like,
and it's weird because obviously Justin his off the field
is what led to his downfall. But they were like,
in college Sunday through Friday, you love to have Justin Blackman,
but on Saturdays you throw that ball up. I mean
next to killing somebody for a ball, des Bryant would
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do anything for that football. And that was that way.
Sort of competitiveness was what Randy Moss went after football
with as well. Changed the game from that standpoint. I
think how about Junior say out now when he's with
the Patriots, he had to play much more of a conservative,
traditional linebacker role. But the stories of the late grade
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junior Sayou was like he was just he just freelance.
He just had such good feel. He would just freelance
and know what was coming and then just go make
a play. I don't know if it was as embraced
as some of the other people that have changed the sport,
but it is definitely was a different way of doing
the same thing.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
We didn't even get the Kaitlyn Clark in this. I
didn't know if, like when we got to Sam like
if if if Chris Alton the pistol was going to
be his contribution, or was Kaitlyn Clark going to be
brought up.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
Well, Kaitlyn Clark's an obvious one and Chris Halt I
just was just floating in my head. But how about
like Eastern European players coming into the NBA and kind
of redefining like the center position.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
And or well maybe it wasn't even I don't know.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
You guys tell me the guys who have kind of
redefined the center position, making it so it's not just
under the basket getting rebounds and layups you got to
hit get out there and hit a three. And not
all centers are like that, Like you know, Zach Edy
is more of your prototypical kind of old school center.
But you know how the position has changed, and maybe
guys like Kristaps Perzinca Porzingis are part of that.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
And the players, sure, I mean, I think Dirk changed
the game. I always thought I always thought I always thought
Mono changed. Monog is the most influential European player. He
played an undersized power forward. He was he kind of
brought that argent teny and soccer flopping sort of flare
right there was there was an awkwardness to how he
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did what he did that others have either emulated, copied,
or that's just how they play overseas. But yeah, there's
the foreign influences without any question, uh one that we've
and then you know Magic Johnson. And this is where
the conversation Jay with you and I on the phone
earlier today we were talking about how, you know, Pat Mahomes,
did he change the game as much as as as
(22:29):
Steph Curry. That's how we got into this conversation. But
you remember, Magic Johnson changed the point guard position because
back then he didn't have six nine point guards. But
at the same time in the NFL, if you look
back right, you had Joe Montana was smaller. But there
was a run there in the NFL where quarterbacks were
And this was like when we were kids, guys and
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not you, Sam, when the three of us were kids,
where you're talking about late eighties to mid nineties where
quarterbacks the bigger, the better. Mark McGuire's brother was like,
was he six eight sixt' nine as quarterback Sandy State?
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Right?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
And he played for your Seahawks, didn't he? Dan am
I right?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Dan MacGuire, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
He was like too tall because it couldn't move. But
there was a time there where it's like unless you
were six ' three, like, forget about playing quarterback in
the NFL. Forget about it. And the West Coast offense
changed that sum and obviously Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, they've
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tire buying should be. So they had that big Fanatics
event in New York and Steven A. Smith sat down
with Tom Brady and there was a variety of questions
(24:13):
and answers, and I thought this was a pretty good win.
And look, sometimes you're asked a question that you I
don't love when you have to prep a guy with questions,
but like when you start to go with lists and
you're like, your train of thought is somewhere else. So
I will give Brady the benefit of the doubt with
there was some other guys that might have been on
that list. But this is what Steven They asked him,
(24:35):
top five quarterbacks in the NFL. We all know lists
go viral. Here's Brady's response.
Speaker 9 (24:41):
I think consistently well, the guys that I see. I
see Josh Allen as someone who's always impresses me as
a player. I see Lamar Jackson, who always impresses me
as a player.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I think that some.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Different guys probably have different moments. Joe Burrow is very impressive,
the way he throws along leads a team. Again, another
guy who's got a great connection with his teammates. Right,
and then I think I'll leave it at those four.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah. And then this was after the fourth was Pat Mahomes.
And then he said, what about Aaron Rodgers? Oh yeah, yeah,
Aaron Rodgers. What do you guys make of the list? Dan,
what do you make of his list?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I mean, the top of quarterbacks in the NFL? I
a chalk answer.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, it was. It was like, is this the insight
we're going to get from Brady?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I didn't think of that.
Speaker 9 (25:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
It was compared to when we've heard, like C. J.
Stroud and others. He prays on Matthew Stafford. You know,
makes me think, all right, maybe Stafford isn't getting the flowers.
Maybe there is something missing that because I'm not a
quarterback that I don't see. But that list is just
one that I think that you could you could see
on anywhere. You know, I thought the mobility, you know,
(25:57):
with Allen and Jackson for Brady who wasn't mobile in
his career. You know, I thought that that was maybe interesting.
But outside of that, I didn't take as much.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
The only part I thought that was interesting was that
he when he said, Joe Burrow, I like the way
he throws the ball and leads his team. Like I
think there's a leadership component there that he does. He
does actually value now Peyton Manning his top five quarterbacks
in the NFL, Mahomes one Burrow, justin Herbert Lamar, Jackson
and Josh Allen and Josh Allen. You know. The one
(26:32):
interesting part about this is I guess there's two. First
thing is that Trevor Lawrence and if you listen to
the pod today, so after the show, we have our podcast.
It's part of it is this show two hours of
the show, and we have our one hour podcast. I
think we're gonna have a guest today from Jacksonville, right
(26:52):
and talk about Trevor Lawrence, who no one considers Trevor
Lawrence one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL,
but he was an elite prosper He did get a
gigantic pay day this summer, and so too did Tua
Tongue of Vailoa. And this also goes to kind of
what you said, Dan, we were talking about cdee Lamb,
which is like it hasn't doesn't matter. Usually it's like
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who's ever up next gets to be the highest paid guy,
which is weird with the Cowboys not paying Cdee Lamb
not make him the highest paid guy. But it is
interesting on how you know, We've spent the better part
of the last two days talking about Tua and how
he felt like he was mistreated. But some of it.
The more you listen to Tua's interview, the more he
(27:35):
realizes he watches those morning shows, the negativity does weigh
down on him more than it probably would some other guys.
I think then you factor in the fact that his
coach wasn't didn't didn't want him to be drafted. The
other part is like, again, there was a moment I
think it was only Acho, right, it's only a Manuacho,
(27:56):
But there was a moment there where people were there's
still people who don't believe in Justin Herbert because he
hasn't won a playoff game, and there's people that do
believe in Tua tongue of Bailoa, and these guys came
nowhere near mentioning toua.
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Green Bay's gonna have a good team this year. Right,
They're gonna have a good time.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
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about in in that pot. Let's getch it to the press,
the press Danny would have got.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
But you know, it does remind me of the time
when you played the Trump cut of him talking about
the Packers. When John Carey was campaigning in Wisconsin in
two thousand and four and called lambeau Field Lambert Field.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
It's the German pronunciation.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
He also Jack Lamberg from.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
New England, and he said his favorite Red Sox was
Many or Tzu.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
He's not a sports guy. John Kerrey did Kerry Wisconsin
in that two thousand and four election.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
He did Lambert Field by the Gambert Jack Lambertfield labort.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Gordon, Jeff Gordon, after you saying that the the seventh
and in stretch told Wrigley Stadium, let's win the game.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
That one's a little more forgivable.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
But yeah, uh no, got to know your fields, got
to know your stadium is going to.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Be your stadiums.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I hate when they put the politicians like, look, if
you don't know about sports, you're not helping yourself by
mentioning something like you're a legit sports fan. You want
into it at the school. So he'd think. I almost thought,
I don't know if you saw it last night. That
was kind of cool thing. They had Kamala go to
Milwaukee to uh Fiser Forum and while they nominate her
(30:31):
to be president, then she's gonna be back in Chicago.
Two nights later, they had a but the governor of
Wisconsin was like naming off all the sports teams, and
I was like, man, this is the one guy I
haven't gotten to you yet, because he's like home of
the Green Bay Packers, home of the Wisconsin Badgers, home
of the Milwaukee Bucks, home with Milwaukee Brewers. I was like,
(30:52):
great baye great.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Bye, home of the Stevens point pointers this year.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, I mean we're gonna have a yes, Bigley.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Well Oshkosh Dan, name it mascot Titans. I believe.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Lacrosse name it?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Are they? The are they the Eagles?
Speaker 7 (31:13):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (31:14):
What are they?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
What's e W? Lacrosse?
Speaker 5 (31:19):
The old I'm gonna ask you and not know the
answer myself.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
Correct a Mundo Skyler the Eagle, All right, oh sorry,
Striker the Eagle, Striker Strikaw.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeahs. I forgot some of them though, River Falls and
Stout I forgot, all right, Stoubt, Stout, Stout the easy
way out. Just kidding, h. I have friends that.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Went to Stout, Blue Devil.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
All right, there you go. Denver Broncos first round pick
quarterback Bo Nicks has been named the team starting quarterback
for their Week one opener in Seattle, the first time
in forty one years the Broncos are starting a rookie
quarterback in Week one in nineteen eighty three, it was
John l.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Way. This is a guy that if it doesn't work
like this is a Sean Payton. He got rid of
Russell Wilson, and he had his frustrations with what Russell Wilson.
But bow Knicks was handpicked, handpicked, so obviously becomes a
self fulfilling prophecy. But it is amazing. I mean, you
go back to bo Knicks when he was at Auburn.
Remember his dad is a legend at Auburn. He started
(32:16):
as a freshman, They're like yeh. Then he goes to
Oregon and his first year at Oregon not great on
the road, and then last year he was awesome. But
gonna be interesting to see how he does. I mean,
he seems to be a more athletic type of Breeze
in terms of accuracy and understanding. We'll see.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Patriots head coach Drod Mayo is expected to name his
starting quarterback from on Monday. It'll either be Jacoby Brissette
or Drake may As the sides play on Sunday. This
seems to be a bit of a change, as Mayo
said the other day that he may take the full
two weeks before the season's name is starter. It's also
a bit of a change because we kind of thought
(32:55):
Jacoby Brissette was entrenched as QB one, but that apparently
is not the case.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I just I mean, jacobraz that seems to be a
great dude, and he's like that consummate spot starter pro.
But I mean, the more you see him when you throw,
you're like, the big question for these young quarterbacks is
everybody wants to get him in there, rush him in there.
But we talked a lot about confidence, and you can
kill a guy's confidence when they go in there and
goate Nate Peterman.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Early on some news from college football, Nebraska is named
true freshman Dylan Royola is the team starting quarterback for
their opener against UTEP.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Looks a lot like Pat Mahomes looks. I don't know
what he didn't play like that, like has the hole, swag,
the whole look. And I'm fascinated to see Nebraska mir two.
I mean, that's that's one of the five most interesting teams.
That's and they face off with Colorado coming up.
Speaker 8 (33:44):
Big get for them to get. That wasn't he committed?
Did you say he was committed to Georgia?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
He originally he actually verbally committed to Ohio State, then
you know, verbally de committed, if you will, was going
to Georgia and then ended up switching the corn Husker.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
It was in west He was an expensive get.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Probably remember years ago when there was confusion and I
wrongly criticized Dave Randa of the Baylor Bears for kicking
that field goal late in the game against Oklahoma. I
felt he was trying to rub it in because Oklahoma
was leaving for the SEC, and he explained notes because
of the Big twelve tie breaker. Well, now the SEC
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is saying this is going to be the tie breakers
for their conference championship games. Head to head competition among
the Tide teams record versus all Common Conference opponents, among
the Tide teams record against the highest placed Common Conference
opponent in the conference standings, and proceeding through the conference standings,
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among the tiede teams, the scoring margin wouldn't come up
until about fifth in the tiebreaker rule for the SEC.
Down the line could still be in play, but.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Way down well, we won't, I mean not what we
won't get to it.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Put it this way, it's one spot higher than random
draw of the tied teams.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I mean, like, can we guarantee there's going to be
at least one, if not two ties in the Big
Big Ten and the SEC to get to the conference
championship game?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah? I think there has to. These conferences are so big, right, And.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Then the question is would you rather get to that
game and lose or not be in that game and
still get to the playoff?
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I don't have the answer to that question because I
have no idea what the committee would how they would
view it. I guess you know what, I'll change it.
I'll give you an answer. I would like to play
it for the opportunity to improve my standing.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
They get they committee you buy right?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
If you win that, yeah, I'll tell I think they're
all like, if you're a top three team in the
Big Ten in the SEC, you're going to go to
the College Foball playoff. You're going to. But the questions
would you rather play in that championship game and lose
or not play in that game and still get in?
But you're as a lower seat. But you'd be more
arrested to have one less game under your belt.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
If I knew I was going to lose, I wouldn't
want to be in. And that's the.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
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Welcome in. I want to get to the midway in
a second. But before we get to the midway, I
(00:45):
gotta ask you I buyer you guys, You and jays
do you guys are perfect for this conversation. And by
the way, the midway is middle of the day, middle
of the week, middle of the show. We just sometimes
vamp on a bunch of topics and we'll get to
the one for today upcoming. But have you seen this
story that TMZ had about some guy named Darryl Ducett?
Who's like five eight, one hundred and forty pounds and
(01:09):
he wants to be in the Olympics in flag football.
He's like, he's like, yeah, this is some guy. I
mean again, anybody ever heard of him? Whatever? Take a
listen to this guy, and of course it's going viral
on TMZ. At the end of the.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Day, I feel like I'm better than Patrick Mahomes because
of my IQ of the game. I know he's right
now the best in the league. I know he's more accurate,
I know he has all these intangibles, but when it
comes to flag football, I feel like I know more
than him.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Listen, I do understand that flag football is a different
game than the NFL and that the size pause of
Patrick Mahomes is not as necessary because there's no lineman
to see over. I mean, part of the reason you
got to be big in the NFL is to see right.
But yeah, what do we what are we doing? This
(02:05):
is my question for TMZ. TMZ has this cottage industry,
not just TMC's cottage industries, not just with being the
first on the scene or getting the inside details the
stories that traditional media outlets can't get, mostly because they'll
pay for their stories and others will not. But like,
(02:27):
why are we are we we're giving this guy auction
gin to say something that we all know is false,
stupid and really ridiculous, right, I just I almost imagine
like this guy's sitting there thinking he killed it. Look, man,
I'm viral, I'm here, I'm there, TMZ, Twitter, TikTok, you
name it, Like what'd you do to get there? Like
(02:50):
you know, I'm better than Pat Mahomes and fly football? Like,
I don't know you, bro, Dan Byer, when you saw
that story, what was the first thing you thought?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I just thought it was giving hype for the flag
football sport. It was an attention getter.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yes, yeah, we don't. I mean we do make fun
of breakdancing, but flag football is the breakdancing of like Americans, Like,
what are we doing having flag football being Olympic sport?
What are we actually doing?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I actually don't mind it as much. I think that
at some point, you know, football is going to evolve
in a certain way. And maybe I wouldn't have said
this twenty years ago, but you know, I even look
at golf. Golf is thriving right now, but golf went
through a bit of a crisis that say, five ten
years ago, and trying to get people to play the game.
(03:48):
Now people are back playing. But then you had spin offs,
you had shorter courses. Heck, you have foot golf. There's
a lot of disc golf is popular among many, so
there are different ways to do it. So I just
look at flag foot wall is something like that.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So would you promote disc golf to be in the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, I think that would be great.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I think it would actually be a lot more competitive
than flag football. Flag football strikes me as a Hey,
we tied China for gold medals, what can we do
to get another gold medal? Flag football? We could literally
have ten teams and no one else would even compete.
We did have no there's literally no other shot none. Anyway,
(04:30):
I was just I saw that guy, and I was
just I get that you're hyping it up something that's
four years away, But man, come on.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Dude, I love thinking about things that we would do
best in the Olympics. Let's just have an event for
getting into credit card debt.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Government spending.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
The government spending we would lead.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
In instead of I think, instead of like the I
don't know, what the biothel on and stuff where you
do cross country and shoot.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Yes, we should just do mass shootings US number one.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, we've been number one in that. We could do
the like the GTA, like GTA as an Olympic event,
you know, right, like fake GTA with like you're literally
running around being chased and shooting people.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
How about this, which healthcare system could charge the most
to their citizens.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Let's get to the midway, shall we please? It's time for.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
The midway?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Jay Stu, what's the midway topic? Ten?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I thought about this one. I heard what Kevin Stefanski said.
He uh, he made the following comparison between Patrick Mahomes
and Steph Court.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
You know, it's funny, like it's almost you know, Steph
Curry changed basketball.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
I think Mahomes is changing football.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
You're watching quarterbacks come out and play that style that
they comport themselves like him. So I would not be
surprised if you start seeing that around.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Certainly our league.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
You're gonna see kids in high school trying it.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Now, they better complete it. They're going to hear from
their head coach.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
So it reminded me of this, like how many athletes
over the years that we've been doing this, have been
responsible for changing the sport, if not like an aspect
of the sport. I think that you could draw on
examples like way back when I guess Wilt Chamberlain change
the sport of what they couldn't dunk. I forget what
(06:37):
exactly did, but Steph Curry is the most recent tangible
example of a guy who completely changed the sport that
they play. And then Caitlin Clark, I think is another
aspect of that. I want to know, like what athletes
are over the years have changed an aspect of their
sport or their their sport and how hard that is?
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Any examples come to mind readily.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I have won that it's not the sport, but I
feel it's the position. We look at it. We looked
at it differently ever since. Sure, And I think it's
Randy Moss when he came into the NFL in just
looking at numbers, Randy Moss's first year, While he didn't
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lead the NFL and receiving yardage, he did lead the
NFL in yards per catch at nineteen yards, had seventeen
touchdowns his rookie season. The year before, the highest I
think average catch was about sixteen or seventeen yards per catch.
So Rice was you know, two yards past that, which
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is actually you know, a bit significant, but just the
freakish athlete that he was as well with the size
and speed. I you know, there's a lot of the
Steph Curry talk you know lately, But I say Randy
Moss and that wide receiver position when we thought it
was mastered because and nobody would top Jerry Rice and
(08:04):
what he was doing. Along comes Randy Moss in his
supreme talent and sets the world on fire. I'm not
saying that he paid the way for guys like to
or others, but Randy Moss to me, was just a
guy that changed the wide receiver position because of how
freakishly talented he was.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
It's just so weird. I'm going to actually take something
I thought Dan would go with, and it's Tiger Woods.
And it wasn't because Tiger was better than everybody, because
there was a stretch there when he was clearly better
than everybody. But he was the He gets the credit
for being a legit athlete and working on his body
(08:42):
as much as his golf game. Right, that guy's golfers
look different, not all of them, Okay, not John Daley,
not others, but not all of them, but a lot
of them, especially these the younger guys look different, bigger,
more powerful, and Tiger Woods is that guy dead?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah? Yeah, I yes, I think that's that's weird.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
The fitness, the fitness and lifting especially.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Sure, I don't know what I'm not.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I don't know enough about golf swing at all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
No, there's I was gonna say there was about ninety
different things that I feel like Tiger Woods ended up,
you know, changing, I will say that, And I don't
know if it was because of him. I do think
that length in the hitting, how far he hit the ball.
I was waiting for you to say, pause, does yes?
(09:32):
You know John Daily led the PGA Tour in driving
distance for you know, a long time. Every year it
was John Daly. Bubba Watson was not a trendsetter, but
because he hit the ball so far and his wins
at Augusta in how he could cut the corner on thirteen,
because he was a lefty, I feel like Bubba's emergence
(09:54):
of distance changed some of golf as well, where now
it became so much of a and the technology and
golf plays a big role in it. But yeah, with Tiger,
there was so many, so many things. And I think
the fitness aspect is a good one because when you
look at the PGA Tour players of the of the
nineteen nineties, not that they were out of shape, but
(10:17):
they just didn't look like athletes.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah. How about Randy Johnson in baseball? Just I mean,
and again I probably don't I can't go back into
the Baseball Almanac and pick out guys, but the again,
pause size, length of Randy Johnson as a pitcher was
just you know, I saw that doc. I'm watching some
(10:43):
of that doc stuff on Creig Maddox the MOB Network.
By the way, it looks like it's fantastic, but he's
talking about how he you know, you're talking about a
complete opposite guy, a massive power pitcher. But remember he
started in USC than Montreal, and he is incredibly Why
it was wait, Seattle that Montreal or Montreal.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
The thing I would say to that is, I don't
I didn't see other six ten pitchers coming to major
League baseball. Yeah, well yeah, but here's the difference.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Here's the difference. He is the exception. But if you
look at starting pitchers now, not only is it all
about power? But like people want to know what's happened to,
you know, to NFL quarterbacks or even to like a
lot of white basketball players. A lot of them are
just pitchers. If you're six ' five and above six
three sixty four, like those pictures are gigantic. The small pitchers,
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the Randy myers Is of the world are few and
far between. The Tim Linsecombs are few and far between.
A lot of them now are six or five and above.
Not his size, but.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Pause, I was thinking about.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I don't know who exactly, but I'm going to say
it's Al Rodriguez, even though he was roided to the gills.
I want to say he changed the shortstop position fit
his sizeuzz It was the size, but also the production.
Like when we were coming up, your shortstop batted eighth,
your short stop Smith shortstop had thirty RBIs but was
(12:08):
in there for defense. There are at least sixteen shortstops
right now in the major leagues who are productive hitters
in the top three slots of the lineup. It is
the golden era of shortstops as far as power and
production and all the analytics stuff that people love. And
(12:29):
I think that Alex Rodriguez was really the first. You
could say Cayle Ripkin, but he was more of an
outlier back then. But I think Alex Rodriguez opened the
food game.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
What man, this is a there's a lot of interesting
baseball once, a lot of interesting guys in baseball, And
you're right, Alex Rodriguez does strike me as a guy
who was much more, much more prodigious power than other
guys at at his spot. I have a guy who
changed basketball, who plays in the NBA, and I believe
(13:02):
is a sport changer the midway Traymond Green. Okay, Draymond Green.
They won championships with Draymond Green at center right. The
death lineup, the small ball lineup is Draymond Green would
guard the center that forever. Now it was helped by
the rules where now you can kind of do whatever
(13:23):
you want in the low post right and people falling
in love with a three point shot. But he could
be super physical. Not a lot of low post threats.
They didn't run in any yo kitches along the way
back then when they when they won a championship, and
even then, you know those guys struggled to cover out
in the court Draymond Green at center has changed the sport.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
That's a good one. You guys are both college football guys.
You guys are both college football, so well, maybe this
is a point of argument. Maybe we can take a
break and debate this. Who is getting credit? Who got
credit for give me a coach or a quarterback?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Or who is the spread?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Who is the name of the spread? Off offense and football?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
That's easy. It started with Rich Rodriguez was the godfather
of the spread, running the football on the spread. But
Mike Leach, Mike Leach, it was at Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I was gonna say, hell.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Then he was at Oklahoma for a year before he
got to Texas Tech. Mike Leach, Mike Leach, Rich Rodriez
the two godfathers the spread. Leech throwing it and he'd
brought he brought the forward pass to the SEC when
he was at Kentucky and then at Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
You know well how mommy was at Kentucky in the
late eventeen nineties.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yes, but he was his OC I believe when they
had Helmay so almost.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Positive and there's different and there's the there's the spread,
and there's the air raid. Rodriguez would be a run
sort of offense. The air raid is the hell mummy offense.
Don't forget the pistol, Chris Ault. I love it. I
love it because Sam is right. Did it change the game?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Null?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
But Sam is right, that's.
Speaker 8 (15:03):
A helped kids Colin Kaepernick into the NFL and do
stort big things.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, that's fair and people use it right. That's where
the running back is, you know, five yards behind the
quarterback who was in the shotgun.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
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Speaker 1 (15:27):
I think the thing we got to guys in the
midway is, I don't know if your brain is like that.
I once upon a time I asked, I think I
might have asked on radio and my show is on
CBS Sports Network. I said, like, who is the first
guy throw a back shoulder back shoulder fade? And Phil
(15:50):
Simms called me during the show, like to my cell phone,
He's like call me, or he's texting me, like call me.
During the break. You know, he's like, you know I
was the first one to throw back shoulder throw. He's
like and he starts naming off the game, like, yeah,
we just they were overplaying, you know, fades see whatever
we throw back shoulder through it was like you sure
you didn't underthrow it right, but fills the best? But
(16:13):
byer does your brain work that way? It seems to
be where And I think, Jay stud this is what
you touched on with your idea behind the midway, which
is like the etymology like who was the first to
do this? Because Steph Curry wasn't the first to just
shoot crazy long jump shots and actually shoot it at
(16:35):
a pretty good clip That was actually Gilbert A. Renas.
What I think separate Steph Curry is one he shoots
a better percentage, but two Steph shoots it feels like
equally off the catch off the dribble going left and
he can shoot going right. Most guys can go they
go one way much better than they go the other way.
And there are guys that are you know, Klay Thompson,
(16:56):
catch and shoot. You know, if it's a dribble, it's
wonderable in.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Place, you know, I think, And not to discredit Steph
Curry because he is the greatest shooter we've ever seen
in basketball. It's the fact of also of how the
Warriors played, how the mid range jump shot it become
obsolete in basketball and a lot of different levels. And
(17:23):
it's why I also bring up Randy Moss is you know,
this is an era in the late nineties of the
NFL where we've got running backs, you know, running and
catching the ball out of backfields and you know, the
be all of everything. And and I think that they're
so discredited when we talk about them in the Hall
of Fame, but now just of how everything is heavy
(17:46):
on the quarterbacks. I don't remember growing up watching teams
maybe outside of the Raiders, chucking the ball down the field,
you know, and like throwing it deep. Yeah, like we
saw the Oilers in the run and shoot, but it
wasn't like Randy Moss, go and get this or we're
going to be And I felt like maybe and he
was in an offense that, you know, with Brian Billick
(18:08):
at the time where you had Chris Carter and you
had Jake Reid and you had weapons and you were
throwing the football. But I also felt like just because
of the big playability of Randy Moss, that that changed
somewhat in the NFL that we didn't always see that
big play, and I feel like we get it more
and more in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, And I think part of that is it was
the West Coast offense right where the West Coast offense
wasn't it was. It wasn't what they were doing with
the Raiders. It was you know, I don't want to
say dink and dunk, but it was a lot of slants,
you know, a lot of catch and runs, a lot
of get rid of it quickly, and that was that
(18:49):
was kind of the opposite of it, right. And then
we saw went with the ke gun offense in Buffalo.
That was a lot lot of short intermediate passes. So
you bring up a great point that Randy did, whether
he brought it back or he brought a new style
to it, or it was I mean, part of it
was like you just had trust that he would go
(19:09):
and make a play and just run and throw it up,
whereas we had fallen in love with and rightfully so,
the route running of the of the greats in the game.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I would also say just the percentage went up when
Randy Moss was on the field, where if you thought
maybe it was a ten percent proposition with anybody else
with Randy Moss, maybe it was fifty to fifty.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Maybe it was more of.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
This side of him, So it was worth taking those
those shots downfield.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, yeah, And I think you know, des Bryant was
a guy who, Look, he wasn't Randy in terms of
his overall career or his overall speed, but he was
in terms of I never forget. I had coaches at
Oklhoma State tell me when he was there. Then they
were like, look, there are other guys, you know. They
it was even Justin Blackman, who was an all time
(19:56):
great college player obviously had personal problems in the pros.
They both won the Boltanical Ward, and they were like,
and it's weird because obviously Justin his off the field
is what led to his downfall. But they were like,
in college Sunday through Friday, you love to have Justin Blackman,
but on Saturdays you throw that ball up. I mean
next to killing somebody for a ball, des Bryant would
(20:19):
do anything for that football. And that was that way.
Sort of competitiveness was what Randy Moss went after football
with as well. Changed the game from that standpoint. I
think how about Junior say out now when he's with
the Patriots, he had to play much more of a conservative,
traditional linebacker role. But the stories of the late grade
(20:40):
junior Sayou was like he was just he just freelance.
He just had such good feel. He would just freelance
and know what was coming and then just go make
a play. I don't know if it was as embraced
as some of the other people that have changed the sport,
but it is definitely was a different way of doing
the same thing.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
We didn't even get the Kaitlyn Clark in this. I
didn't know if, like when we got to Sam like
if if if Chris Alton the pistol was going to
be his contribution, or was Kaitlyn Clark going to be
brought up.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
Well, Kaitlyn Clark's an obvious one and Chris Halt I
just was just floating in my head. But how about
like Eastern European players coming into the NBA and kind
of redefining like the center position.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
And or well maybe it wasn't even I don't know.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
You guys tell me the guys who have kind of
redefined the center position, making it so it's not just
under the basket getting rebounds and layups you got to
hit get out there and hit a three. And not
all centers are like that, Like you know, Zach Edy
is more of your prototypical kind of old school center.
But you know how the position has changed, and maybe
guys like Kristaps Perzinca Porzingis are part of that.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
And the players, sure, I mean, I think Dirk changed
the game. I always thought I always thought I always thought
Mono changed. Monog is the most influential European player. He
played an undersized power forward. He was he kind of
brought that argent teny and soccer flopping sort of flare
right there was there was an awkwardness to how he
(22:07):
did what he did that others have either emulated, copied,
or that's just how they play overseas. But yeah, there's
the foreign influences without any question, uh one that we've
and then you know Magic Johnson. And this is where
the conversation Jay with you and I on the phone
earlier today we were talking about how, you know, Pat Mahomes,
did he change the game as much as as as
(22:29):
Steph Curry. That's how we got into this conversation. But
you remember, Magic Johnson changed the point guard position because
back then he didn't have six nine point guards. But
at the same time in the NFL, if you look
back right, you had Joe Montana was smaller. But there
was a run there in the NFL where quarterbacks were
And this was like when we were kids, guys and
(22:50):
not you, Sam, when the three of us were kids,
where you're talking about late eighties to mid nineties where
quarterbacks the bigger, the better. Mark McGuire's brother was like,
was he six eight sixt' nine as quarterback Sandy State?
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Right?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
And he played for your Seahawks, didn't he? Dan am
I right?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Dan MacGuire, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
He was like too tall because it couldn't move. But
there was a time there where it's like unless you
were six ' three, like, forget about playing quarterback in
the NFL. Forget about it. And the West Coast offense
changed that sum and obviously Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, they've
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event in New York and Steven A. Smith sat down
with Tom Brady and there was a variety of questions
(24:13):
and answers, and I thought this was a pretty good win.
And look, sometimes you're asked a question that you I
don't love when you have to prep a guy with questions,
but like when you start to go with lists and
you're like, your train of thought is somewhere else. So
I will give Brady the benefit of the doubt with
there was some other guys that might have been on
that list. But this is what Steven They asked him,
(24:35):
top five quarterbacks in the NFL. We all know lists
go viral. Here's Brady's response.
Speaker 9 (24:41):
I think consistently well, the guys that I see. I
see Josh Allen as someone who's always impresses me as
a player. I see Lamar Jackson, who always impresses me
as a player.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I think that some.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Different guys probably have different moments. Joe Burrow is very impressive,
the way he throws along leads a team. Again, another
guy who's got a great connection with his teammates. Right,
and then I think I'll leave it at those four.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah. And then this was after the fourth was Pat Mahomes.
And then he said, what about Aaron Rodgers? Oh yeah, yeah,
Aaron Rodgers. What do you guys make of the list? Dan,
what do you make of his list?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I mean, the top of quarterbacks in the NFL? I
a chalk answer.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, it was. It was like, is this the insight
we're going to get from Brady?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I didn't think of that.
Speaker 9 (25:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
It was compared to when we've heard, like C. J.
Stroud and others. He prays on Matthew Stafford. You know,
makes me think, all right, maybe Stafford isn't getting the flowers.
Maybe there is something missing that because I'm not a
quarterback that I don't see. But that list is just
one that I think that you could you could see
on anywhere. You know, I thought the mobility, you know,
(25:57):
with Allen and Jackson for Brady who wasn't mobile in
his career. You know, I thought that that was maybe interesting.
But outside of that, I didn't take as much.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
The only part I thought that was interesting was that
he when he said, Joe Burrow, I like the way
he throws the ball and leads his team. Like I
think there's a leadership component there that he does. He
does actually value now Peyton Manning his top five quarterbacks
in the NFL, Mahomes one Burrow, justin Herbert Lamar, Jackson
and Josh Allen and Josh Allen. You know. The one
(26:32):
interesting part about this is I guess there's two. First
thing is that Trevor Lawrence and if you listen to
the pod today, so after the show, we have our podcast.
It's part of it is this show two hours of
the show, and we have our one hour podcast. I
think we're gonna have a guest today from Jacksonville, right
(26:52):
and talk about Trevor Lawrence, who no one considers Trevor
Lawrence one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL,
but he was an elite prosper He did get a
gigantic pay day this summer, and so too did Tua
Tongue of Vailoa. And this also goes to kind of
what you said, Dan, we were talking about cdee Lamb,
which is like it hasn't doesn't matter. Usually it's like
(27:12):
who's ever up next gets to be the highest paid guy,
which is weird with the Cowboys not paying Cdee Lamb
not make him the highest paid guy. But it is
interesting on how you know, We've spent the better part
of the last two days talking about Tua and how
he felt like he was mistreated. But some of it.
The more you listen to Tua's interview, the more he
(27:35):
realizes he watches those morning shows, the negativity does weigh
down on him more than it probably would some other guys.
I think then you factor in the fact that his
coach wasn't didn't didn't want him to be drafted. The
other part is like, again, there was a moment I
think it was only Acho, right, it's only a Manuacho,
(27:56):
But there was a moment there where people were there's
still people who don't believe in Justin Herbert because he
hasn't won a playoff game, and there's people that do
believe in Tua tongue of Bailoa, and these guys came
nowhere near mentioning toua.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
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Speaker 5 (28:19):
Green Bay's gonna have a good team this year. Right,
They're gonna have a good time.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
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Speaker 5 (28:31):
Green Bay's gonna have a good team this year. Right,
They're gonna have a good time.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
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(28:57):
about in in that pot. Let's getch it to the press,
the press Danny would have got.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
But you know, it does remind me of the time
when you played the Trump cut of him talking about
the Packers. When John Carey was campaigning in Wisconsin in
two thousand and four and called lambeau Field Lambert Field.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
It's the German pronunciation.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
He also Jack Lamberg from.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
New England, and he said his favorite Red Sox was
Many or Tzu.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
He's not a sports guy. John Kerrey did Kerry Wisconsin
in that two thousand and four election.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
He did Lambert Field by the Gambert Jack Lambertfield labort.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Gordon, Jeff Gordon, after you saying that the the seventh
and in stretch told Wrigley Stadium, let's win the game.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
That one's a little more forgivable.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
But yeah, uh no, got to know your fields, got
to know your stadium is going to.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Be your stadiums.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I hate when they put the politicians like, look, if
you don't know about sports, you're not helping yourself by
mentioning something like you're a legit sports fan. You want
into it at the school. So he'd think. I almost thought,
I don't know if you saw it last night. That
was kind of cool thing. They had Kamala go to
Milwaukee to uh Fiser Forum and while they nominate her
(30:31):
to be president, then she's gonna be back in Chicago.
Two nights later, they had a but the governor of
Wisconsin was like naming off all the sports teams, and
I was like, man, this is the one guy I
haven't gotten to you yet, because he's like home of
the Green Bay Packers, home of the Wisconsin Badgers, home
of the Milwaukee Bucks, home with Milwaukee Brewers. I was like,
(30:52):
great baye great.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Bye, home of the Stevens point pointers this year.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, I mean we're gonna have a yes, Bigley.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Well Oshkosh Dan, name it mascot Titans. I believe.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Lacrosse name it?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Are they? The are they the Eagles?
Speaker 7 (31:13):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (31:14):
What are they?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
What's e W? Lacrosse?
Speaker 5 (31:19):
The old I'm gonna ask you and not know the
answer myself.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
Correct a Mundo Skyler the Eagle, All right, oh sorry,
Striker the Eagle, Striker Strikaw.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeahs. I forgot some of them though, River Falls and
Stout I forgot, all right, Stoubt, Stout, Stout the easy
way out. Just kidding, h. I have friends that.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Went to Stout, Blue Devil.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
All right, there you go. Denver Broncos first round pick
quarterback Bo Nicks has been named the team starting quarterback
for their Week one opener in Seattle, the first time
in forty one years the Broncos are starting a rookie
quarterback in Week one in nineteen eighty three, it was
John l.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Way. This is a guy that if it doesn't work
like this is a Sean Payton. He got rid of
Russell Wilson, and he had his frustrations with what Russell Wilson.
But bow Knicks was handpicked, handpicked, so obviously becomes a
self fulfilling prophecy. But it is amazing. I mean, you
go back to bo Knicks when he was at Auburn.
Remember his dad is a legend at Auburn. He started
(32:16):
as a freshman, They're like yeh. Then he goes to
Oregon and his first year at Oregon not great on
the road, and then last year he was awesome. But
gonna be interesting to see how he does. I mean,
he seems to be a more athletic type of Breeze
in terms of accuracy and understanding. We'll see.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Patriots head coach Drod Mayo is expected to name his
starting quarterback from on Monday. It'll either be Jacoby Brissette
or Drake may As the sides play on Sunday. This
seems to be a bit of a change, as Mayo
said the other day that he may take the full
two weeks before the season's name is starter. It's also
a bit of a change because we kind of thought
(32:55):
Jacoby Brissette was entrenched as QB one, but that apparently
is not the case.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I just I mean, jacobraz that seems to be a
great dude, and he's like that consummate spot starter pro.
But I mean, the more you see him when you throw,
you're like, the big question for these young quarterbacks is
everybody wants to get him in there, rush him in there.
But we talked a lot about confidence, and you can
kill a guy's confidence when they go in there and
goate Nate Peterman.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Early on some news from college football, Nebraska is named
true freshman Dylan Royola is the team starting quarterback for
their opener against UTEP.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Looks a lot like Pat Mahomes looks. I don't know
what he didn't play like that, like has the hole, swag,
the whole look. And I'm fascinated to see Nebraska mir two.
I mean, that's that's one of the five most interesting teams.
That's and they face off with Colorado coming up.
Speaker 8 (33:44):
Big get for them to get. That wasn't he committed?
Did you say he was committed to Georgia?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
He originally he actually verbally committed to Ohio State, then
you know, verbally de committed, if you will, was going
to Georgia and then ended up switching the corn Husker.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
It was in west He was an expensive get.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Probably remember years ago when there was confusion and I
wrongly criticized Dave Randa of the Baylor Bears for kicking
that field goal late in the game against Oklahoma. I
felt he was trying to rub it in because Oklahoma
was leaving for the SEC, and he explained notes because
of the Big twelve tie breaker. Well, now the SEC
(34:26):
is saying this is going to be the tie breakers
for their conference championship games. Head to head competition among
the Tide teams record versus all Common Conference opponents, among
the Tide teams record against the highest placed Common Conference
opponent in the conference standings, and proceeding through the conference standings,
(34:47):
among the tiede teams, the scoring margin wouldn't come up
until about fifth in the tiebreaker rule for the SEC.
Down the line could still be in play, but.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Way down well, we won't, I mean not what we
won't get to it.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Put it this way, it's one spot higher than random
draw of the tied teams.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I mean, like, can we guarantee there's going to be
at least one, if not two ties in the Big
Big Ten and the SEC to get to the conference
championship game?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah? I think there has to. These conferences are so big, right, And.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Then the question is would you rather get to that
game and lose or not be in that game and
still get to the playoff?
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I don't have the answer to that question because I
have no idea what the committee would how they would
view it. I guess you know what, I'll change it.
I'll give you an answer. I would like to play
it for the opportunity to improve my standing.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
They get they committee you buy right?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
If you win that, yeah, I'll tell I think they're
all like, if you're a top three team in the
Big Ten in the SEC, you're going to go to
the College Foball playoff. You're going to. But the questions
would you rather play in that championship game and lose
or not play in that game and still get in?
But you're as a lower seat. But you'd be more
arrested to have one less game under your belt.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
If I knew I was going to lose, I wouldn't
want to be in. And that's the.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
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