August 21, 2024 • 45 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to comments made by Aaron Rodgers and Robert Saleh recently about how hard the training camps has been for the Jets, and explains why it sounds like Rodgers is choosing with life boat to exit the Titanic on.
In this edition of The Midway, Doug and the crew talk about athletes that have changed their sport.
Doug weighs in on the Cowboys and Jerry Jones. Doug welcomes former Packers Executive Andrew Brandt onto the show to talk about the Cowboys, Jets and all of the other major headlines around the NFL
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want to get into this. I think it's human nature
is really really interesting and Jason Dan and I We've
been in this business for a long time and there
are a lot of really good people in it, but
great people. Great people are kind of hard to find, Okay.
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Great people, by my estimation, are people that when things
go bad, it's not just that they go down with
the ship, is that they make sure everybody else gets
off into their lifeboats. Great people are the guys in
the band who played as the Titanic sunk. Maybe they're dumb,
(02:00):
but you're supposed to. If you're a captain of the ship,
you're supposed to help everybody get off in their lifeboat.
And I swear to you that the more you look
into this thing, the more you feel like and I
just saw a highlight of Aaron Rodgers throwing a beautiful
touchdown pass in a scrimmage against the Giants today. But
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the more you look into the Jets situation, the more
you wonder if guys are walking on the deck looking
at those lifeboats, like, you know, we hit Iceberg, that's
the boat I'm getting on. If you don't believe me,
let me play for you something. So Aaron Rodgers obviously
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first ballot Hall of Fame Quarterbacks, super Bowl Champion, multime
time MVP. If I need to tell you who Aaron
Rodgers is and you're listening to a sports radio show,
I guess my question to you would be, where have
you been the last fifteen years or even the last
fifteen months. But regardless, this was Aaron Rodgers when he
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was asked earlier this week about how things have been
during this training camp.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I would say the camp is much harder this year,
and maybe the hardest in the last seven or eight
of my career. I knew that I had a little
insight coming into camp that that's what Robert wanted to do,
so I think it's been good for us. You know,
there's a lot of different schools of thought, and there's
always you know, people you can escape goat as far
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as injuries and different things. But I think some of
the older guys enjoy the, to steal a coaching word,
the callous part of training camp where you're kind of grinding,
and some people believe that that although it puts more
you know, strain on you in training camp, that actually
gets you more ready to play when the season starts.
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And then some people believe the opposite, and you know
how it goes. Whatever teams are having success. People kind
of look at their schedule and go, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So Aaron Rodgers' positioned himself as slightly old school, saying
it's been hard, but he's enjoying it. And we've talked
a lot on this show about the callous effect, and
it's the idea, especially I of hitting in camp is,
you know, the rules now really limit how much time
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you have on with shells and how much time you
have on you know, in full gear where you're hitting
each other. And there are a lot of coaches who
dial that way way back for fear of injury. Nobody
wants to lose a guy in the second week of
training camp. You know, if you're gonna lose him, lose
him during the actual season. But the colus effect is like,
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in an effort to protect people from the violence of football,
you're actually doing the opposite because they haven't been really
really hit until they get into a regular season game,
and a regular season game has played at such an
incredible level of intensity that that hit feels very.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Very.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
But the idea of Robert Sala coming to this conclusion
that we want to have a hard camp. We you know,
we're going to build up some Callouses. Here's Robert Sala
responding to Aaron Remarx.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
We're not trying to revisit the Junction Boys. But at
the same time, this country club style that's kind of
taking on all of sport, not just football, but all
of sport. There's a fine line. They've got to be
ready to play football.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, so look, you gotta be ready. There is a
fine line. You do have to be ready to play.
And the Jets are trying to be more, not less physical.
You know, they're they're trying to impose their will on
teams as opposed to others imposing the will on them.
On the other hand, if you listen to Aaron Rodgers, Okay,
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there wasn't ownership over this decision. Now, there wasn't dissension.
Let's just be honest. There was like, I don't know
what we're doing. We're out here hitting each other in
the burning hot sun. Somebody's gonna get hurt. This is lunacy.
There wasn't that dissension, but there also wasn't ownership of it.
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He didn't say, as one of the older guys, I
love it. He said, some of the older guys really
like it. He said, I was given a bit of
a heads up by Robert Robert being Robert Sala, their
head coach, and Robert Sala's like, look when I do injunction, boys,
but country club stuff's got to stop, which I think
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all of us would agree with. But if you think
about the positioning of this, when Aaron Rodgers was given
a little bit of a heads up, it's a really
hard training camp. You kind of gotta find a balance.
He puts it on Sala that it was his decision,
and oh yeah, by the way, some of the veteran guys,
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he can say, as one of the veteran guys, I
love it, he said, some of the veteran guys love it.
Then you factor in some of the other stuff, right,
the trip to Egypt where Salas said it wasn't approved, Right,
he wasn't cleared. It was an inexcused absence, unexcused absence.
You take the fact that Aaron Rodgers found out, apparently
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through the media that he wasn't going to play in
the preseason, like that was news to me, per Aaron Rodgers, right,
he was like, well, news to me. And even how
he positions the idea that he was given a little
bit of a heads up whether or not it was,
and I'm sure it was Robert SAWA's idea, like, hey,
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last year we were sold. Last year, we got pushed around.
We got to be tough, we got to impose our
will the presentation, especially with the guy who has an
ego the size of Aaron Rodgers. And look when I
say ego and a big ego, obviously there's negative connotations
with it. But let's just be on. Tom Brady has
a big ego, right, All these guys have pay me
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big ego. All these guys have massive egos because they've
been massively successful, and we've been massively successful for fifteen years.
You do know a thing or two about it. And
Robert Tallas never played quarterback in the NFL. He's never
been an MVP, So you want to have the appearance
of some sort of joint decision if he's really in
a position of leadership. What the words you want to
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hear from Rogers is. I sat with Robert and we
came up with the idea of, man, let's really get
after it this year. Can't you know? We don't want
junction boys, Like if they are both on message, we
don't want junction boys, but we want to get rid
of this country club mentality. You would know their lockstep instead.
(08:45):
And this could be me overreacting, but it feels like
Aaron Rodgers is walking by those lifeboats on the deck
of the Titanic just remembering that one. Yeah, that's the one.
That's the one I'm gonna get on when stuff goes bad, right,
(09:10):
because when stuff goes bad, we were doing hitting and
we're kicking the crap out of each other in training
camp like for what for what you know? And for
Robert Salah, like I told him he should have been
here during during those extra camps. It was inexcuse. You know,
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if they were communicating as quarterback and play a quarterback
and coach should doesn't it stand the reason that Aaron
Rodgers would know he's not playing the preseason. If they
were communicating about the physicality of camp, he would have
been given a little heads up. He would have been
lockstep using the exact same words. And when you have
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guys firing, and again, Aaron Rodgers is not defiant. When
he was defiant, he don't want to do something, he
ain't doing it. He's not being defiant. He's not blaming
anybody yet, but he's definitely laying what I think anyone
could see to be the groundwork of Hey, look, this
was Robert's idea. If it goes bad, just remember this
(10:20):
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(11:01):
midway in a second. But before we get to the midway,
I got to ask you byer. You guys, you and
Jay Stu, you guys are perfect for this conversation. And
by the way, the midway is middle of the day,
middle of the week, middle of the show. We just
sometimes vamp on a bunch of topics and we'll get
to the one for today upcoming. But have you seen
this story that TMZ had about some guy named Darryl
(11:24):
Ducett who's like five eight, one hundred and forty pounds
and he wants to be in the Olympics in flag football.
He's like, he's like, yeah, this is some guy I've
I mean again, anybody ever heard of him? Whatever? Take
a listen to this guy, and of course it's going
viral on TMZ.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
At the end of the day, I feel like I'm
better than Patrick Mahomes because of my IQ of the game.
I know he's right now the best in the league.
I know he's more accurate, I know he has all
these intangibles, but when it comes to flag football, I
feel like I know more than him.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Now. Listen, I do understand that flag football is a
different game than the NFL and that the size pause
of Patrick Mahomes is not as necessary because there's no
lineman to see over. I mean, part of the reason
you got to be big in the NFL is to
see right. But what do we what are we doing?
(12:25):
This is my question for TMC. TMZ has this cottage industry,
not just TMC's cottage industries, not just with being the
first on the scene or getting the inside details the
stories that traditional media outlets can't get, mostly because they'll
pay for their stories and others will not. But like,
(12:47):
why are we are we we're giving this guy auction
gen to say something that we all know is false, stupid,
and really ridiculous. Right. I just I almost as like
this guy's sitting there thinking he killed it. Look, man,
I'm viral, I'm here, I'm there, TMZ, Twitter, TikTok, you
name it, Like what'd you do to get there?
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Like?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
You know, I'm better than Pat Mahomes a flag football?
Like I don't know you, Bro, Dan Byer, when you
saw that story, what was the first thing you thought?
Speaker 8 (13:24):
I just thought it was giving hype for the flag
football sport. It was an attention getter.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yes, yeah, we don't. I mean, we do make fun
of breakdancing, but flag football is the breakdancing of like Americans, Like,
what are we doing having flag football being Olympic sport?
What are we actually doing?
Speaker 8 (13:46):
I actually don't mind it as much. I think that
at some point, you know, football is going to evolve
in a certain way. And maybe I wouldn't have said
this twenty years ago, but you know, I even I
and look at golf, golf, is thriving right now. But
golf went through a bit of a crisis that say,
five ten years ago and trying to get people to
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play the game. Now people are back playing. But then
you had spin offs, you had shorter courses. Heck, you
have foot golf. There's a lot of disc golf is
popular among many, so there are different ways to do it.
So I just look at flag football as something like that.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So would you promote disc golf to be in the Olympics.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Yeah, I think that would be great. I think you'd
fun to see.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I think it would actually be a lot more competitive
than flag football. Flag football strikes me as a Hey,
we tied China for gold medals, what can we do
to get another gold medal? Flag football? We could literally
have ten teams and no one else would even compete.
We did have no there's literally no other shot none. Anyway.
I was just I saw that guy, and I was
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just I get that you're hyping it up something that's
four years away.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
But man, come on, dude, I love thinking about things
that we would do best, and let's just have an
event for getting into credit card debt.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
That's funny. Government spending, The government spending we would lead.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
In instead of I think instead of like the I
don't know what the biothlon and stuff where you do
cross country and shoot. Yes, we should just do mass
shootings number one.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, we've been number one in that. We could do
the like the GTA, like GTA as an Olympic event,
you know, right, like fake g t A with like
you're literally running around being chased and shooting people.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
How about this, which healthcare system could charge the most
to their citizens.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Let's get to the midway, shall we please? It's time
for the midway? Jay Stu, what's the midway?
Speaker 7 (16:04):
I thought about this one. I heard what Kevin Stefanski said.
He made the following comparison between Patrick Mahomes and Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You know, it's funny, like it's almost you know, Steph
Curry changed basketball.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
I think Mahomes is changing football.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You're watching quarterbacks come out and play that style that
they comport themselves like him. So I would not be
surprised if you start seeing that around. Certainly our league.
You're gonna see kids in high school trying it. Now,
they better complete it. They're going to hear.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
From their head coach.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
So it reminded me of this, like, how many athletes
over the years that we've been doing this have been
responsible for changing the sport, if not like an aspect
of the sport. I think that you could draw on
examples like way back when I guess Wilt Chamberlain change
the sport what they couldn't dunk. I forget what exactly did.
(16:57):
But Steph Curry is the most recent agible example of
a guy who completely changed the sport that they play.
And then Caitlin Clark, I think is another aspect of that.
I want to know what athletes over the years have
changed an aspect of their sport or their their sport
and how hard that is. Any examples come to mind readily.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
I have one that it's not the sport, but I
feel it's the position. We look at it. We looked
at it differently ever since. Sure, And I think it's
Randy Moss when he came into the NFL in just
looking at numbers. Randy Moss's first year, while he didn't
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lead the NFL in receiving yardage, he did lead the
NFL in yards per catch at nineteen yards, had seventeen
touchdowns his rookie season. The year before the highest. I
think average catch was about sixteen or seventeen yards per
catch was you know, two yards past that, which is
(18:02):
actually you know, a bit significant, but just a freakish
athlete that he was as well with the size and speed.
I you know, there's a lot of the Steph Curry
talk you know lately, But I say Randy Moss in
that wide receiver position when we thought it was mastered
because and nobody would top Jerry Rice and what he
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was doing. Along comes Randy Moss in his supreme talent
and sets the world on fire. I'm not saying that
he paid the way for guys like to or others,
but Randy Moss to me, was just a guy that
changed the wide receiver position because of how freakishly talented
he was.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
It's just so weird. I'm going to actually take something
I thought Dan would go with, and it's Tiger Woods.
And it wasn't because Tiger was better than everybody, because
there was a stretch there when he was clearly better
than everybody. But he was the He gets the credit
for being a legit athlete and working on his body
(19:02):
as much as his golf game. All right, that guy's
golfers look different. Not all of them, okay, not John Daily,
not others, but not all of them, but a lot
of them, especially these the younger guys look different, bigger,
more powerful, and Tiger Woods is that guy? Is that fair? Dad?
Speaker 8 (19:21):
Yeah? Yeah, I yes, I think that's that's weird.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
The fitness, the fitness and lifting aspecially.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
Sure, I don't know what about I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Know enough about golf swing at all that stuff.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
No, there's I was going to say, there's about ninety
different things that I feel like Tiger Woods ended up,
you know changing, I will say that, and I don't
know if it was because of him. I do think
that length in.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
The hitting how far are you hit the ball?
Speaker 8 (19:49):
I was waiting for you to say.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Pause does yes?
Speaker 8 (19:51):
Yes? You know John Daily led the PGA Tour in
driving distance for you know, a long time. Every year
it was John Daly Bubba Watts and was not a trendsetter,
but because he hit the ball so far and his
wins at Augusta in how he could cut the corner
on thirteen, because he was a lefty, I feel like
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Bubba's emergence of distance changed some of golf as well,
where now it became so much of a factor, and
the technology and golf plays a big role in it.
But yeah, with Tiger, there was so many, so many things.
And I think the fitness aspect is a good one
because when you look at the PGA Tour players of
the nineteen nineties, not that they were out of shape,
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but they just didn't look like athletes.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah. How about Randy Johnson in baseball? Just I mean,
and again I probably don't I can't go back into
the Baseball Almanac and pick out guys. But the again,
pause size, length of Randy Johnson as a pitcher was
just you know, I saw that doc. I'm watching some
(21:03):
of that doc stuff on Creig Maddox the MOB Network.
Just by the way, it looks like it's fantastic, but
he's talking about how he you know, you're talking about
a complete opposite guy, a massive power pitcher. But remember
he started in USC than Montreal, and he was incredibly wild.
It was wait, Seattle, that Montreal, Montreal.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
I would say to that is I don't I didn't
see other six to ten pitchers coming to major League baseball.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, well yeah, but here's the difference. Here's the difference.
He is the exception. But if you look at starting
pitchers now, not only is it all about power, but
like people want to know what's happened to, you know,
NFL quarterbacks or even to like a lot of white
basketball players. A lot of them are just pitchers. If
you're six five and above six three sixty four, like,
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those pictures are gigantic. The small pictures, the Randy myers
Is of the world are few and far between. The
Tim Linsecombs are few and far between. A lot of
now are six or five and above. Not his size, but.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
I was thinking about I don't know who exactly, but
I'm going to say it's Alex Rodriguez. Even though he
was roided to the gills, I want to say he
changed the shortstop position.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Of his size.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
It was the size, but also the production. Like when
we were coming up, your shortstop batted eighth, your shortstop
Smith shortstop had thirty RBIs but was in there for defense.
There are at least sixteen shortstops right now in the
major leagues who are productive hitters in the top three
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slots of the lineup. It is the golden era of
shortstops as far as power and production and all the
analytics stuff that people love. And I think that Alex
Rodriguez was really the first you could say cal Ripkin,
but he was more of an outlier back then. But
I think Alex Rodriguez opened the food game.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
What have man, This is a there's a lot of
interesting baseball ones, a lot of interesting guys in baseball.
And you're right, Alex Rodriguez does strike me as a
guy who was much more you, much more prodigious power
than other guys at his at his spot. I have
a guy who changed basketball who plays in the NBA,
(23:21):
and I believe is a sport changer, the midway Traymond Green. Okay,
Draymond Green. They won championships with Draymond Green at center right,
the death lineup, the small ball lineup, because Draymond Green
would guard the center that forever. Now it was helped
by the rules where now you can kind of do
(23:43):
whatever you want in the low post, right and people
falling in love with a three point shot. But he
could be super physical. Not a lot of low post threats.
They didn't run in any yo kitches along the way
back then when they when they won a championship, and
even then, you know, those guys struggle to cover out
in the court. Draymond Green at center has changed the sport.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
That's a good one. You guys are both college football guys.
You guys are both college foot so well, maybe this
is a point of argument. Maybe we can take a
break and debate this. Who is getting credit? Who got
credit for give me a coach or a quarterback?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Or who is the spread?
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Who is the name of the spread offense in football?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
That's easy. It started with Rich Rodriguez was the godfather
of the spread, running the football, the spread. But Mike Leach,
Mike Leach, it was at Kentucky.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
I was gonna say hell.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
And then he was at Oklahoma for a year before
he got to Texas Tech. Mike Leach, Mike Leach, Rich
Rodriez the two godfathers the spread. Leech throwing it and
he brought he brought the forward pass to the SEC
when he was at Kentucky and then at Oklahoma.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
You know, well how mommy was at Kentucky in the
late yeteen nineties.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yes, but he was his OC I believe when they
had Helma.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
So almost positive and there's different and there's the there's
the spread, and there's the air raid. Rodriguez would be
a run sort of offense. The air raid is the
hell mummy offense.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Don't forget the pistol, Chris Ault.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I love it.
Speaker 8 (25:17):
I love it because Sam is right. Did it change
the game?
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Null?
Speaker 8 (25:21):
But Sam is right, that's.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
A help get Colin Kaepernick into the NFL and do
st big things.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, that's fair and people use it right. That's what
the running back is, you know, five yards behind the
quarterbackers in the shotgun.
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this everybody's waiting for the weekend? Is that? What that?
Speaker 9 (25:59):
That?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Is? Working for the weekend? I like it? Good work?
Is it? Is it because we're waiting for college football
this weekend? Huh?
Speaker 7 (26:12):
Yeah? That and just feeling like, you know, one of
those sluggish mondays where you're really just working for that weekend.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, the only problem is it's Wednesday.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
I know, Okay, what a week huh yeah, I mean
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We've gone the last two days, Sam Jason Dan without
talking about the cowboys. So let's talk about the cowboys.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Let's talk about the cowboys. Why well, because they're the cowboys.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Cowboy Jason, you're in on the joke. Sort of. I
just do you think everyone is that everyone understands like
there's a there's a look. You want to talk about
what the most people want to talk about, right, That's
that's the rule of in any radio, especially national radio.
(27:51):
Forget about what you want to talk about. Right. The
fact that Sam is it Monday? Is it Wednesday? I
don't know. I'm working for the weekend, right, that's his
mentality there, and lots of people I think are into
Week zero of college football upcoming this weekend. Youres truly included.
But do people understand that like you do? Got to
(28:13):
talk about the Cowboys. There's something interesting about the Cowboys
because they're the Cowboys, and people want to talk about
the Cowboys. Case in point, here's Jerry Jones giving us
his latest personal update on the negotiations with Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 9 (28:26):
No, and I don't mean that to be insensitive to
our fans are to CD. But we're in good shape
there and we are having promising talks. Folks say, well,
why you keep talking? Won't you do something again? As
in anything, it takes both of you there at the
same time.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
But I believe it's got the.
Speaker 9 (28:48):
Proper amount of everything emphsis, importance for everybody involved here,
and we'll see how to go.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Okay, okay, how about how much he like tempers his
words with the CD Lamb thing after saying there was
he was not what was the word he used before?
There was not urgentye. There's that urgency over it, right,
And then all of a sudden, DAC's like, well there
should be urgency or whatever I see urgency. And then
(29:18):
if you just kind of listen to Jered Jones, listen
to it one more time. Semple replayed that again. He
was asked to be liked where they were with the
negotiation with CD Lamb, just listen to kind of parse
his words.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
No, and I don't mean that to be insensitive to
our fans or a CD. But we're in good shape
there and we are having promising talks. Folks say, well,
why you keep talking? Won't you do something again? As
in anything, it takes both of you there at the
same time. But I believe it's got the proper amount
(29:50):
of everything, emphasis and importance for everybody involve here, and
we'll see how to go.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I just I could be wrong there, but I really
felt like he's parsing his.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Words absolutely is he's measuring each word. He's basically telling
us without telling us, that Cede Lamb and his people
are giant pains in the asses. Yes, and I need
to now measure my words. Even though I've been doing
this for fifty years and I'm a very successful businessman,
I need to cater to a gen Z twenty somethingter
who gets overly sensitive about words.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, I also feel like there's some of that. I
don't know if it's the gen Z, but he's definitely sensitive.
I'd also think it sounds like ced Lamb is asking
for an astronomical amount of money, right because we're having
good talks and we're close on this thing, Like, how
do you feel about it? I feel good, pretty close.
(30:47):
I feel like that's what it sounds like he's asking for.
I want the moon, I want the stars. You don't
know what the sun too? Byer, what do you hear
when you hear Jerry.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
Well, there's a little bit more background to what you're saying.
And ESPN report of this yesterday is that the Cowboys
are not making him the highest paid wide receiver in
the National Football League. And that's where I scratch my
head on this. It's not that Ceedee Lamb should or
shouldn't be, but he's in the conversation. So you might
as well make him the highest paid wide receiver in
(31:17):
the NFL, because there's going to be a time where
then the next person comes along and he's not the highest.
So if you're only making him the second highest, you're
obviously willing to go that far. Not willing to make
him the highest paid wide receiver in the NFL, to me,
is more of a Cowboys problem that they just won't
go that extra step to give him the extra money
that he wants. Justin Jefferson makes thirty five million dollars
(31:41):
a year on annual salary, and I know that's not
the end all be all. He gets one hundred and
ten million dollars guaranteed, and maybe that's where some of
this is. But if the Cowboys aren't topping that thirty
five million dollars that he wants, what are we doing here?
Like this is this is known business in the NFL,
And I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Here's here's what I want to do. Okay, I you're right, Okay,
let me welcome in Andrew Brant. Okay, so the three
of us will have this real quick, Dan, Okay, because
I think what Dan's bringing up is a brilliant point,
which is, like, what are we doing here? He's if
you're if you're a top ten and your contract is up,
you get to be the highest paid guy. Andrew, you've
(32:23):
done this for You did this professionally for a living,
drew up these contracts. Is it possible that it's the
guarantees and that it's it's it's more than just that, right,
because what Dan's saying is the ESPN reports are they
don't want to make in the highest paid cornerback wide receiver.
But could it be more in the guarantees because remember
(32:45):
the vikings that he points out with Justin Jefferson. They're
not paying anything to quarterback. They got Michael Parsons, they
got Dak Prescott with the biggest cap pit ever, Right,
they're gonna have to pay him. How much of this
is more about language than just what Dan's pointing out,
which is an ego thing, and he's right, Usually they're
they're the highest bid guy.
Speaker 10 (33:04):
Yeah, good be with you guys. As always, the devil's
in the details and all of these deals. If it
was simply that Cebe Lamb and his agent are saying
it's semantics. We're just second overall to Justin Jefferson in
whatever want to average we want to splash out there
to the media. I think it probably would be done.
But what's the one year number, what's the two year number,
(33:27):
what's the three year number, what's the guarantee? What are
the opt outs? What is the way for the Cowboys
to get out of this deal? Is it after one year,
after two years? What's the real numbers compared to Jefferson's
all of that. The other part is every team has
a resume right when agents know this, I was an agent.
The Cowboys resume is very clear. They let it go,
(33:50):
let it go, let it go, let it go until
the deadline, and then they give you what you want.
So they've done this with Zeke Elliott, They've done this
with so many players. Where they're going to pay him.
It's just a question whether it's seven days before training
camp or five days before training camp, and then it
becomes what's the actual deal there? To me, there's no
(34:13):
incentive for Lamb to do a deal for two weeks
because the Cowboys offer's not going down. The Cowboys are
not going to find them and they just wait till
the best offer when it's at the deadline, because that's
the resume on the Cowboys. They'll pay you. You just
got to wait till the deadline, wait till the deal,
(34:34):
in my words, is ripe. And I think that's in
about ten days.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You know it's it's Andrew Brand's joining us. He's a
former executive with the Packers, host of the Business of
Sports podcast on the DraftKings Network. He's also author of
the Sunday seven newsletter that you can sign up for
on his various social media pages. You know, it's almost
like we're all the same mindset. Like Dan and I
talk about this, Jason and I, we all talk about
(34:59):
this all the time. And how like Jerry Jones always
like sticks out his chest like Zeke whu and then
he pays Zeke right, and Dak like I don't know,
then he pays Dak and they do acquiesce. But there
is something interesting about why would he do it now
that Heck, you go back to the CBA negotiations and
players never have patients. They always take the money. The
(35:23):
second is presented in it looks like it could be
that that that pot of gold, like do you think
CD does, because, like, look, he does need to get
in camp, he does need to be ready for the season.
We've seen guys. You hold out too long, you're not sharp,
you haven't worked with dak, you haven't worked with the offense.
But do you think he takes the pot of gold
early because he's impetuous like so many players have been,
(35:44):
even in the league wide CBA negotiations.
Speaker 10 (35:47):
Yeah, I mean I think that you see which which
negotiations are run by the player, which are run by
the agent. If there was a need for money, is
there a need to jump in on that big signing
bonus he's going to get and it's going to be big.
That's another thing about the Cowboys. They pay a lot
in bonus compared to other teams to have lower salaries
going forward. He would have jumped already. So I think
(36:10):
the agents, I think he's CAAA, I'm not sure, are
holding this in line for him. And here's what people
don't understand about negotiations. When you reach a point like this,
some people think, well, this guy called today and they
didn't get anywhere. They called last night, or they're calling
this tonight. They don't talk, they don't talk because whoever
(36:31):
calls at this point is a sign of weakness, and
they're not talking. I'm pretty sure about that. There's no talking.
So the next conversation will be I think towards closing
the deal because they are where they are. We don't
know exactly, but there are when they are with the
contract and no one's moving. We're to point now where
(36:54):
it's just coming down to who's going to do the
final tweaking and what do they get for that? And
I think that's what people don't understand about negotiations when
it gets to a point like this. If you call
your showing weakness, you just fit.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Dak Prescott is in the last year of his deal.
It's a gargantuan cap hit that to this point they
haven't been willing to at least say they're negotiating, although
there have been reports that they're progressing somewhere in negotiations.
How much does that factor in to see thee Lamb's contract.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
It does. You mentioned it earlier, and I'm very sensitive
to this where teams that have, say at Brock party
level contracted quarterback versus the Dak Prescott level quarterback or
you know, again, whatever's going on with Minnesota quarterbacks. That's
real from the team point of view.
Speaker 8 (37:46):
I get it.
Speaker 10 (37:48):
I've been on that. I you know, my life in
Green Bay was with Aaron Rodgers and Brett farre so
I always was using that line. But I have to
put my agent hat on. And the the agent response
to that is, frankly, that's not my problem, and they're right.
You know they're right. Ceedee lamb. The fact they're paying
(38:09):
Dak Prescott all the money is not his problem. And
it'd be nice if every agent said, yeah, you're right,
we'll take less because you got expensive quarterback versus a
rookie contract quarterback. That's not the way it works in
real life, So I get it. I don't know, Doug.
I may be proven wrong because I've told you for months,
since I sat there in Dallas and watched my Packers
(38:31):
roll the Cowboys, that this is going to be a
rideout year for Dak Prescott and Mike McCarthy, both in
lame duck years. I just have had that feeling a
long time. Now. You mentioned there are negotiations going, so
I guess there are negotiations, but Dak's also made comments
about playing for someone else. I'm going to stay to
(38:54):
my guns and say that I do not think there's
a new contract for dak Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, I think there's two levels to it. It's really
really hard. And you and I both you especially, we
know and watch the Packers because of your time there.
And it wasn't just that they lost in the playoffs
and he threw those two big picks. They were terrible
against a defense that ultimately they fired the defensive coordinator
like that was not a good defense, and they were
(39:22):
completely outplayed. And it was the second year in a
row in the playoffs in which he had not played
well in the playoffs. And all the leadership, all the
great things that he does, how well he's represented, the
star in the city of Dallas and whatever. At the
end of the day, you're the highest paid guy in
the Dallas Cowboys and you have two bad playoff games
in a row that lead to two losses in a
(39:43):
row and two consecutive years. That's a hard one to
renegotiate a contract, right, that just is. And here's the
other thing, Like, we're all teams are also scared of
a guy being on the street. Are we sure somebody's
gonna pay him sixty million? Dollars next year.
Speaker 10 (40:01):
I think I am because of scarcity. You know, leverage
is about scarcity, it's not I tell people this again,
about negotiations. It's hard to understand. It's not about quote
unquote how good you are. It's timing and marketplace. It's
why Kirk Cousins makes so much more than better quarterbacks.
It's are you in a spot? And I understand your point,
(40:23):
but my answer is yes, because you can't find them.
Name the last productive, reasonably young, successful quarterback that was free,
totally free, and it's probably Cousins. But I think Prescott's
going to have more market value than Cousins. So there
you go. I have no idea what team, I have
(40:44):
no idea how many teams, but one of those teams
should be Dallas in a year. So if Dallas is
bidding against one, two, three, four, five teams, you know
where that money's going to go.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Correct, We know exactly where that money's going to go.
Andrew Brandt joins us. He's a former executive with the Packers,
hosts of the Business of Sports podcasts and the DraftKings Network,
author of the Sunday seven newsletter, which, of course you
can sign up for on his social media page. We
haven't heard or seen anything from Brandon Ayuk. There were
(41:19):
talks of trades and possible avenues trying to get a
new contract. Now nothing crickets. What's that mean?
Speaker 10 (41:26):
Yeah, it's likewise said about Lamb. No one's talking. The
next call that Niners make Diyux agent, that's a sign
of weakness. The next call that Ayux agent makes to
the Niners sign of weakness. The wild card. Here's the trade.
And again I'm no insight information, Doug, but if I
(41:46):
believe the reporting my eko out in San Francisco, the
AU camp turned down to trades and that's extraordinary. You know, again,
we're not talking about Jerry Rice here, We're not talking
about Justin Jefferson. We're talking about Ayuk, who has created
a massive leverage and created a de facto no trade
(42:09):
clause because they have good compensation coming in from the
Patriots and Browns. And Ayuk says no. Now, the Patriots
and Browns could trade form anyway, but they're not going
to do that. They're just not going to do that.
So for whatever reason, Mike Tomlin pik a reason he
or poorly wants to go to Seattle to Steelers, and
(42:30):
the Steelers are probably offering a lot less than the
Patriots and Browns in trade compensation and who knows, maybe
even in contract compensation. But that's where he wants to go.
That's what we read. So maybe it's Ayuk waiting for
a better contract from the forty nine ers. I'm guessing
maybe it's the forty nine Ers waiting for a better
(42:52):
trade offer from the Steelers. But wow, I mean, Brandon
Nyuk has turned the tables on leverage.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
I do think that the Judon trade is interesting. I've
been critical of Atlanta, not for not for going and
getting a rookie quarterback who's twenty four okay, and not
forgetting Kirk Cousins, but forgetting both. You draft the first
round draft pick who's going to sit for at least
probably two years, right, you're drafting a backup or you're
signing a backup. But they got the Judan trade, and
(43:23):
then Judan does not have a contract extension, meaning that
was not part of the negotiation, which I love, like,
make improve it, right, make improve it. From your standpoint,
what's your view on that trade?
Speaker 10 (43:37):
I expected a contract because of what just happened, and
is happening with Reddick and the Jets, same position, same trade,
third round pick, and Reddick even makes more a lot
more than Judon. Reddick says he should get a contract.
Judon says it's fine, Well we have here is communication.
(44:01):
What was said between the Jets and Reddick upon the trade?
What was in what I'm gathering what was said upon
the Falcons Judon trade? Was Judn saying I'm cool, and
the Falcons make the trade. It looked like Reddick said
to the Jets, maybe I'm not cool, and the Jets said, well,
we'll see. And there was obviously a failure to communicate.
(44:23):
What did the Jets think they were getting contractually with Reddick?
What did Reddick think he was walking into contractually? This
is a problem, and I guess kudos to the Falcons
because there's no problem there. As you said, Judan knew
what he was getting into and he's happy to prove it.
(44:43):
Whereas Reddick, it seems like he was told something else.
And I don't know what's going to happen there. I mean,
I've talked about all these situations. I don't know if
Reddick ever plays for the Jets. I mean, that's a
legitimate question to ask.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
I think again, just what I've read was that there
was no agreement of a new contract when they traded
for him. I think there's a possibility though other guys
got new contracts and he's like like, well, okay, well
now it's obviously time. I don't know, it's it is
absolutely fascinating. Hey, you can sign up for a Sunday
seven newsletter. How do you sign up for the Sunday
(45:19):
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Speaker 10 (45:20):
Yeah, Doug, it's just a simple website mysundayseven dot com
and I come out every Sunday morning, and I also
have videos that go along with that, so check it out.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
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Speaker 1 (45:32):
Of course, you got the business sports podcast the former
executive with the Packers. He's the one known the Andrew
Brant Andrew, thanks so much for joining us.
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(01:12):
want to get into this. I think it's human nature
is really really interesting and Jason Dan and I We've
been in this business for a long time and there
are a lot of really good people in it, but
great people. Great people are kind of hard to find, Okay.
(01:34):
Great people, by my estimation, are people that when things
go bad, it's not just that they go down with
the ship, is that they make sure everybody else gets
off into their lifeboats. Great people are the guys in
the band who played as the Titanic sunk. Maybe they're dumb,
(02:00):
but you're supposed to. If you're a captain of the ship,
you're supposed to help everybody get off in their lifeboat.
And I swear to you that the more you look
into this thing, the more you feel like and I
just saw a highlight of Aaron Rodgers throwing a beautiful
touchdown pass in a scrimmage against the Giants today. But
(02:21):
the more you look into the Jets situation, the more
you wonder if guys are walking on the deck looking
at those lifeboats, like, you know, we hit Iceberg, that's
the boat I'm getting on. If you don't believe me,
let me play for you something. So Aaron Rodgers obviously
(02:42):
first ballot Hall of Fame Quarterbacks, super Bowl Champion, multime
time MVP. If I need to tell you who Aaron
Rodgers is and you're listening to a sports radio show,
I guess my question to you would be, where have
you been the last fifteen years or even the last
fifteen months. But regardless, this was Aaron Rodgers when he
(03:03):
was asked earlier this week about how things have been
during this training camp.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I would say the camp is much harder this year,
and maybe the hardest in the last seven or eight
of my career. I knew that I had a little
insight coming into camp that that's what Robert wanted to do,
so I think it's been good for us. You know,
there's a lot of different schools of thought, and there's
always you know, people you can escape goat as far
(03:30):
as injuries and different things. But I think some of
the older guys enjoy the, to steal a coaching word,
the callous part of training camp where you're kind of grinding,
and some people believe that that although it puts more
you know, strain on you in training camp, that actually
gets you more ready to play when the season starts.
(03:52):
And then some people believe the opposite, and you know
how it goes. Whatever teams are having success. People kind
of look at their schedule and go, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So Aaron Rodgers' positioned himself as slightly old school, saying
it's been hard, but he's enjoying it. And we've talked
a lot on this show about the callous effect, and
it's the idea, especially I of hitting in camp is,
you know, the rules now really limit how much time
(04:22):
you have on with shells and how much time you
have on you know, in full gear where you're hitting
each other. And there are a lot of coaches who
dial that way way back for fear of injury. Nobody
wants to lose a guy in the second week of
training camp. You know, if you're gonna lose him, lose
him during the actual season. But the colus effect is like,
(04:42):
in an effort to protect people from the violence of football,
you're actually doing the opposite because they haven't been really
really hit until they get into a regular season game,
and a regular season game has played at such an
incredible level of intensity that that hit feels very.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Very.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
But the idea of Robert Sala coming to this conclusion
that we want to have a hard camp. We you know,
we're going to build up some Callouses. Here's Robert Sala
responding to Aaron Remarx.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
We're not trying to revisit the Junction Boys. But at
the same time, this country club style that's kind of
taking on all of sport, not just football, but all
of sport. There's a fine line. They've got to be
ready to play football.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, so look, you gotta be ready. There is a
fine line. You do have to be ready to play.
And the Jets are trying to be more, not less physical.
You know, they're they're trying to impose their will on
teams as opposed to others imposing the will on them.
On the other hand, if you listen to Aaron Rodgers, Okay,
(05:53):
there wasn't ownership over this decision. Now, there wasn't dissension.
Let's just be honest. There was like, I don't know
what we're doing. We're out here hitting each other in
the burning hot sun. Somebody's gonna get hurt. This is lunacy.
There wasn't that dissension, but there also wasn't ownership of it.
(06:15):
He didn't say, as one of the older guys, I
love it. He said, some of the older guys really
like it. He said, I was given a bit of
a heads up by Robert Robert being Robert Sala, their
head coach, and Robert Sala's like, look when I do injunction, boys,
but country club stuff's got to stop, which I think
(06:35):
all of us would agree with. But if you think
about the positioning of this, when Aaron Rodgers was given
a little bit of a heads up, it's a really
hard training camp. You kind of gotta find a balance.
He puts it on Sala that it was his decision,
and oh yeah, by the way, some of the veteran guys,
(06:58):
he can say, as one of the veteran guys, I
love it, he said, some of the veteran guys love it.
Then you factor in some of the other stuff, right,
the trip to Egypt where Salas said it wasn't approved, Right,
he wasn't cleared. It was an inexcused absence, unexcused absence.
You take the fact that Aaron Rodgers found out, apparently
(07:20):
through the media that he wasn't going to play in
the preseason, like that was news to me, per Aaron Rodgers, right,
he was like, well, news to me. And even how
he positions the idea that he was given a little
bit of a heads up whether or not it was,
and I'm sure it was Robert SAWA's idea, like, hey,
(07:42):
last year we were sold. Last year, we got pushed around.
We got to be tough, we got to impose our
will the presentation, especially with the guy who has an
ego the size of Aaron Rodgers. And look when I
say ego and a big ego, obviously there's negative connotations
with it. But let's just be on. Tom Brady has
a big ego, right, All these guys have pay me
(08:04):
big ego. All these guys have massive egos because they've
been massively successful, and we've been massively successful for fifteen years.
You do know a thing or two about it. And
Robert Tallas never played quarterback in the NFL. He's never
been an MVP, So you want to have the appearance
of some sort of joint decision if he's really in
a position of leadership. What the words you want to
(08:25):
hear from Rogers is. I sat with Robert and we
came up with the idea of, man, let's really get
after it this year. Can't you know? We don't want
junction boys, Like if they are both on message, we
don't want junction boys, but we want to get rid
of this country club mentality. You would know their lockstep instead.
(08:45):
And this could be me overreacting, but it feels like
Aaron Rodgers is walking by those lifeboats on the deck
of the Titanic just remembering that one. Yeah, that's the one.
That's the one I'm gonna get on when stuff goes bad, right,
(09:10):
because when stuff goes bad, we were doing hitting and
we're kicking the crap out of each other in training
camp like for what for what you know? And for
Robert Salah, like I told him he should have been
here during during those extra camps. It was inexcuse. You know,
(09:31):
if they were communicating as quarterback and play a quarterback
and coach should doesn't it stand the reason that Aaron
Rodgers would know he's not playing the preseason. If they
were communicating about the physicality of camp, he would have
been given a little heads up. He would have been
lockstep using the exact same words. And when you have
(09:55):
guys firing, and again, Aaron Rodgers is not defiant. When
he was defiant, he don't want to do something, he
ain't doing it. He's not being defiant. He's not blaming
anybody yet, but he's definitely laying what I think anyone
could see to be the groundwork of Hey, look, this
was Robert's idea. If it goes bad, just remember this
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(11:01):
midway in a second. But before we get to the midway,
I got to ask you byer. You guys, you and
Jay Stu, you guys are perfect for this conversation. And
by the way, the midway is middle of the day,
middle of the week, middle of the show. We just
sometimes vamp on a bunch of topics and we'll get
to the one for today upcoming. But have you seen
this story that TMZ had about some guy named Darryl
(11:24):
Ducett who's like five eight, one hundred and forty pounds
and he wants to be in the Olympics in flag football.
He's like, he's like, yeah, this is some guy I've
I mean again, anybody ever heard of him? Whatever? Take
a listen to this guy, and of course it's going
viral on TMZ.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
At the end of the day, I feel like I'm
better than Patrick Mahomes because of my IQ of the game.
I know he's right now the best in the league.
I know he's more accurate, I know he has all
these intangibles, but when it comes to flag football, I
feel like I know more than him.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Now. Listen, I do understand that flag football is a
different game than the NFL and that the size pause
of Patrick Mahomes is not as necessary because there's no
lineman to see over. I mean, part of the reason
you got to be big in the NFL is to
see right. But what do we what are we doing?
(12:25):
This is my question for TMC. TMZ has this cottage industry,
not just TMC's cottage industries, not just with being the
first on the scene or getting the inside details the
stories that traditional media outlets can't get, mostly because they'll
pay for their stories and others will not. But like,
(12:47):
why are we are we we're giving this guy auction
gen to say something that we all know is false, stupid,
and really ridiculous. Right. I just I almost as like
this guy's sitting there thinking he killed it. Look, man,
I'm viral, I'm here, I'm there, TMZ, Twitter, TikTok, you
name it, Like what'd you do to get there?
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Like?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
You know, I'm better than Pat Mahomes a flag football?
Like I don't know you, Bro, Dan Byer, when you
saw that story, what was the first thing you thought?
Speaker 8 (13:24):
I just thought it was giving hype for the flag
football sport. It was an attention getter.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yes, yeah, we don't. I mean, we do make fun
of breakdancing, but flag football is the breakdancing of like Americans, Like,
what are we doing having flag football being Olympic sport?
What are we actually doing?
Speaker 8 (13:46):
I actually don't mind it as much. I think that
at some point, you know, football is going to evolve
in a certain way. And maybe I wouldn't have said
this twenty years ago, but you know, I even I
and look at golf, golf, is thriving right now. But
golf went through a bit of a crisis that say,
five ten years ago and trying to get people to
(14:07):
play the game. Now people are back playing. But then
you had spin offs, you had shorter courses. Heck, you
have foot golf. There's a lot of disc golf is
popular among many, so there are different ways to do it.
So I just look at flag football as something like that.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So would you promote disc golf to be in the Olympics.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Yeah, I think that would be great. I think you'd
fun to see.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I think it would actually be a lot more competitive
than flag football. Flag football strikes me as a Hey,
we tied China for gold medals, what can we do
to get another gold medal? Flag football? We could literally
have ten teams and no one else would even compete.
We did have no there's literally no other shot none. Anyway.
I was just I saw that guy, and I was
(14:51):
just I get that you're hyping it up something that's
four years away.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
But man, come on, dude, I love thinking about things
that we would do best, and let's just have an
event for getting into credit card debt.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
That's funny. Government spending, The government spending we would lead.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
In instead of I think instead of like the I
don't know what the biothlon and stuff where you do
cross country and shoot. Yes, we should just do mass
shootings number one.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, we've been number one in that. We could do
the like the GTA, like GTA as an Olympic event,
you know, right, like fake g t A with like
you're literally running around being chased and shooting people.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
How about this, which healthcare system could charge the most
to their citizens.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Let's get to the midway, shall we please? It's time
for the midway? Jay Stu, what's the midway?
Speaker 7 (16:04):
I thought about this one. I heard what Kevin Stefanski said.
He made the following comparison between Patrick Mahomes and Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You know, it's funny, like it's almost you know, Steph
Curry changed basketball.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
I think Mahomes is changing football.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You're watching quarterbacks come out and play that style that
they comport themselves like him. So I would not be
surprised if you start seeing that around. Certainly our league.
You're gonna see kids in high school trying it. Now,
they better complete it. They're going to hear.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
From their head coach.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
So it reminded me of this, like, how many athletes
over the years that we've been doing this have been
responsible for changing the sport, if not like an aspect
of the sport. I think that you could draw on
examples like way back when I guess Wilt Chamberlain change
the sport what they couldn't dunk. I forget what exactly did.
(16:57):
But Steph Curry is the most recent agible example of
a guy who completely changed the sport that they play.
And then Caitlin Clark, I think is another aspect of that.
I want to know what athletes over the years have
changed an aspect of their sport or their their sport
and how hard that is. Any examples come to mind readily.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
I have one that it's not the sport, but I
feel it's the position. We look at it. We looked
at it differently ever since. Sure, And I think it's
Randy Moss when he came into the NFL in just
looking at numbers. Randy Moss's first year, while he didn't
(17:42):
lead the NFL in receiving yardage, he did lead the
NFL in yards per catch at nineteen yards, had seventeen
touchdowns his rookie season. The year before the highest. I
think average catch was about sixteen or seventeen yards per
catch was you know, two yards past that, which is
(18:02):
actually you know, a bit significant, but just a freakish
athlete that he was as well with the size and speed.
I you know, there's a lot of the Steph Curry
talk you know lately, But I say Randy Moss in
that wide receiver position when we thought it was mastered
because and nobody would top Jerry Rice and what he
(18:24):
was doing. Along comes Randy Moss in his supreme talent
and sets the world on fire. I'm not saying that
he paid the way for guys like to or others,
but Randy Moss to me, was just a guy that
changed the wide receiver position because of how freakishly talented
he was.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
It's just so weird. I'm going to actually take something
I thought Dan would go with, and it's Tiger Woods.
And it wasn't because Tiger was better than everybody, because
there was a stretch there when he was clearly better
than everybody. But he was the He gets the credit
for being a legit athlete and working on his body
(19:02):
as much as his golf game. All right, that guy's
golfers look different. Not all of them, okay, not John Daily,
not others, but not all of them, but a lot
of them, especially these the younger guys look different, bigger,
more powerful, and Tiger Woods is that guy? Is that fair? Dad?
Speaker 8 (19:21):
Yeah? Yeah, I yes, I think that's that's weird.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
The fitness, the fitness and lifting aspecially.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
Sure, I don't know what about I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Know enough about golf swing at all that stuff.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
No, there's I was going to say, there's about ninety
different things that I feel like Tiger Woods ended up,
you know changing, I will say that, and I don't
know if it was because of him. I do think
that length in.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
The hitting how far are you hit the ball?
Speaker 8 (19:49):
I was waiting for you to say.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Pause does yes?
Speaker 8 (19:51):
Yes? You know John Daily led the PGA Tour in
driving distance for you know, a long time. Every year
it was John Daly Bubba Watts and was not a trendsetter,
but because he hit the ball so far and his
wins at Augusta in how he could cut the corner
on thirteen, because he was a lefty, I feel like
(20:13):
Bubba's emergence of distance changed some of golf as well,
where now it became so much of a factor, and
the technology and golf plays a big role in it.
But yeah, with Tiger, there was so many, so many things.
And I think the fitness aspect is a good one
because when you look at the PGA Tour players of
the nineteen nineties, not that they were out of shape,
(20:36):
but they just didn't look like athletes.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah. How about Randy Johnson in baseball? Just I mean,
and again I probably don't I can't go back into
the Baseball Almanac and pick out guys. But the again,
pause size, length of Randy Johnson as a pitcher was
just you know, I saw that doc. I'm watching some
(21:03):
of that doc stuff on Creig Maddox the MOB Network.
Just by the way, it looks like it's fantastic, but
he's talking about how he you know, you're talking about
a complete opposite guy, a massive power pitcher. But remember
he started in USC than Montreal, and he was incredibly wild.
It was wait, Seattle, that Montreal, Montreal.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
I would say to that is I don't I didn't
see other six to ten pitchers coming to major League baseball.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, well yeah, but here's the difference. Here's the difference.
He is the exception. But if you look at starting
pitchers now, not only is it all about power, but
like people want to know what's happened to, you know,
NFL quarterbacks or even to like a lot of white
basketball players. A lot of them are just pitchers. If
you're six five and above six three sixty four, like,
(21:49):
those pictures are gigantic. The small pictures, the Randy myers
Is of the world are few and far between. The
Tim Linsecombs are few and far between. A lot of
now are six or five and above. Not his size, but.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
I was thinking about I don't know who exactly, but
I'm going to say it's Alex Rodriguez. Even though he
was roided to the gills, I want to say he
changed the shortstop position.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Of his size.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
It was the size, but also the production. Like when
we were coming up, your shortstop batted eighth, your shortstop
Smith shortstop had thirty RBIs but was in there for defense.
There are at least sixteen shortstops right now in the
major leagues who are productive hitters in the top three
(22:40):
slots of the lineup. It is the golden era of
shortstops as far as power and production and all the
analytics stuff that people love. And I think that Alex
Rodriguez was really the first you could say cal Ripkin,
but he was more of an outlier back then. But
I think Alex Rodriguez opened the food game.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
What have man, This is a there's a lot of
interesting baseball ones, a lot of interesting guys in baseball.
And you're right, Alex Rodriguez does strike me as a
guy who was much more you, much more prodigious power
than other guys at his at his spot. I have
a guy who changed basketball who plays in the NBA,
(23:21):
and I believe is a sport changer, the midway Traymond Green. Okay,
Draymond Green. They won championships with Draymond Green at center right,
the death lineup, the small ball lineup, because Draymond Green
would guard the center that forever. Now it was helped
by the rules where now you can kind of do
(23:43):
whatever you want in the low post, right and people
falling in love with a three point shot. But he
could be super physical. Not a lot of low post threats.
They didn't run in any yo kitches along the way
back then when they when they won a championship, and
even then, you know, those guys struggle to cover out
in the court. Draymond Green at center has changed the sport.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
That's a good one. You guys are both college football guys.
You guys are both college foot so well, maybe this
is a point of argument. Maybe we can take a
break and debate this. Who is getting credit? Who got
credit for give me a coach or a quarterback?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Or who is the spread?
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Who is the name of the spread offense in football?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
That's easy. It started with Rich Rodriguez was the godfather
of the spread, running the football, the spread. But Mike Leach,
Mike Leach, it was at Kentucky.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
I was gonna say hell.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
And then he was at Oklahoma for a year before
he got to Texas Tech. Mike Leach, Mike Leach, Rich
Rodriez the two godfathers the spread. Leech throwing it and
he brought he brought the forward pass to the SEC
when he was at Kentucky and then at Oklahoma.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
You know, well how mommy was at Kentucky in the
late yeteen nineties.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yes, but he was his OC I believe when they
had Helma.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
So almost positive and there's different and there's the there's
the spread, and there's the air raid. Rodriguez would be
a run sort of offense. The air raid is the
hell mummy offense.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Don't forget the pistol, Chris Ault.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I love it.
Speaker 8 (25:17):
I love it because Sam is right. Did it change
the game?
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Null?
Speaker 8 (25:21):
But Sam is right, that's.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
A help get Colin Kaepernick into the NFL and do
st big things.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, that's fair and people use it right. That's what
the running back is, you know, five yards behind the
quarterbackers in the shotgun.
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Yeah? That and just feeling like, you know, one of
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We've gone the last two days, Sam Jason Dan without
talking about the cowboys. So let's talk about the cowboys.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Let's talk about the cowboys. Why well, because they're the cowboys.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Cowboy Jason, you're in on the joke. Sort of. I
just do you think everyone is that everyone understands like
there's a there's a look. You want to talk about
what the most people want to talk about, right, That's
that's the rule of in any radio, especially national radio.
(27:51):
Forget about what you want to talk about. Right. The
fact that Sam is it Monday? Is it Wednesday? I
don't know. I'm working for the weekend, right, that's his
mentality there, and lots of people I think are into
Week zero of college football upcoming this weekend. Youres truly included.
But do people understand that like you do? Got to
(28:13):
talk about the Cowboys. There's something interesting about the Cowboys
because they're the Cowboys, and people want to talk about
the Cowboys. Case in point, here's Jerry Jones giving us
his latest personal update on the negotiations with Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 9 (28:26):
No, and I don't mean that to be insensitive to
our fans are to CD. But we're in good shape
there and we are having promising talks. Folks say, well,
why you keep talking? Won't you do something again? As
in anything, it takes both of you there at the
same time.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
But I believe it's got the.
Speaker 9 (28:48):
Proper amount of everything emphsis, importance for everybody involved here,
and we'll see how to go.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Okay, okay, how about how much he like tempers his
words with the CD Lamb thing after saying there was
he was not what was the word he used before?
There was not urgentye. There's that urgency over it, right,
And then all of a sudden, DAC's like, well there
should be urgency or whatever I see urgency. And then
(29:18):
if you just kind of listen to Jered Jones, listen
to it one more time. Semple replayed that again. He
was asked to be liked where they were with the
negotiation with CD Lamb, just listen to kind of parse
his words.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
No, and I don't mean that to be insensitive to
our fans or a CD. But we're in good shape
there and we are having promising talks. Folks say, well,
why you keep talking? Won't you do something again? As
in anything, it takes both of you there at the
same time. But I believe it's got the proper amount
(29:50):
of everything, emphasis and importance for everybody involve here, and
we'll see how to go.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I just I could be wrong there, but I really
felt like he's parsing his.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Words absolutely is he's measuring each word. He's basically telling
us without telling us, that Cede Lamb and his people
are giant pains in the asses. Yes, and I need
to now measure my words. Even though I've been doing
this for fifty years and I'm a very successful businessman,
I need to cater to a gen Z twenty somethingter
who gets overly sensitive about words.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, I also feel like there's some of that. I
don't know if it's the gen Z, but he's definitely sensitive.
I'd also think it sounds like ced Lamb is asking
for an astronomical amount of money, right because we're having
good talks and we're close on this thing, Like, how
do you feel about it? I feel good, pretty close.
(30:47):
I feel like that's what it sounds like he's asking for.
I want the moon, I want the stars. You don't
know what the sun too? Byer, what do you hear
when you hear Jerry.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
Well, there's a little bit more background to what you're saying.
And ESPN report of this yesterday is that the Cowboys
are not making him the highest paid wide receiver in
the National Football League. And that's where I scratch my
head on this. It's not that Ceedee Lamb should or
shouldn't be, but he's in the conversation. So you might
as well make him the highest paid wide receiver in
(31:17):
the NFL, because there's going to be a time where
then the next person comes along and he's not the highest.
So if you're only making him the second highest, you're
obviously willing to go that far. Not willing to make
him the highest paid wide receiver in the NFL, to me,
is more of a Cowboys problem that they just won't
go that extra step to give him the extra money
that he wants. Justin Jefferson makes thirty five million dollars
(31:41):
a year on annual salary, and I know that's not
the end all be all. He gets one hundred and
ten million dollars guaranteed, and maybe that's where some of
this is. But if the Cowboys aren't topping that thirty
five million dollars that he wants, what are we doing here?
Like this is this is known business in the NFL,
And I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Here's here's what I want to do. Okay, I you're right, Okay,
let me welcome in Andrew Brant. Okay, so the three
of us will have this real quick, Dan, Okay, because
I think what Dan's bringing up is a brilliant point,
which is, like, what are we doing here? He's if
you're if you're a top ten and your contract is up,
you get to be the highest paid guy. Andrew, you've
(32:23):
done this for You did this professionally for a living,
drew up these contracts. Is it possible that it's the
guarantees and that it's it's it's more than just that, right,
because what Dan's saying is the ESPN reports are they
don't want to make in the highest paid cornerback wide receiver.
But could it be more in the guarantees because remember
(32:45):
the vikings that he points out with Justin Jefferson. They're
not paying anything to quarterback. They got Michael Parsons, they
got Dak Prescott with the biggest cap pit ever, Right,
they're gonna have to pay him. How much of this
is more about language than just what Dan's pointing out,
which is an ego thing, and he's right, Usually they're
they're the highest bid guy.
Speaker 10 (33:04):
Yeah, good be with you guys. As always, the devil's
in the details and all of these deals. If it
was simply that Cebe Lamb and his agent are saying
it's semantics. We're just second overall to Justin Jefferson in
whatever want to average we want to splash out there
to the media. I think it probably would be done.
But what's the one year number, what's the two year number,
(33:27):
what's the three year number, what's the guarantee? What are
the opt outs? What is the way for the Cowboys
to get out of this deal? Is it after one year,
after two years? What's the real numbers compared to Jefferson's
all of that. The other part is every team has
a resume right when agents know this, I was an agent.
The Cowboys resume is very clear. They let it go,
(33:50):
let it go, let it go, let it go until
the deadline, and then they give you what you want.
So they've done this with Zeke Elliott, They've done this
with so many players. Where they're going to pay him.
It's just a question whether it's seven days before training
camp or five days before training camp, and then it
becomes what's the actual deal there? To me, there's no
(34:13):
incentive for Lamb to do a deal for two weeks
because the Cowboys offer's not going down. The Cowboys are
not going to find them and they just wait till
the best offer when it's at the deadline, because that's
the resume on the Cowboys. They'll pay you. You just
got to wait till the deadline, wait till the deal,
(34:34):
in my words, is ripe. And I think that's in
about ten days.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You know it's it's Andrew Brand's joining us. He's a
former executive with the Packers, host of the Business of
Sports podcast on the DraftKings Network. He's also author of
the Sunday seven newsletter that you can sign up for
on his various social media pages. You know, it's almost
like we're all the same mindset. Like Dan and I
talk about this, Jason and I, we all talk about
(34:59):
this all the time. And how like Jerry Jones always
like sticks out his chest like Zeke whu and then
he pays Zeke right, and Dak like I don't know,
then he pays Dak and they do acquiesce. But there
is something interesting about why would he do it now
that Heck, you go back to the CBA negotiations and
players never have patients. They always take the money. The
(35:23):
second is presented in it looks like it could be
that that that pot of gold, like do you think
CD does, because, like, look, he does need to get
in camp, he does need to be ready for the season.
We've seen guys. You hold out too long, you're not sharp,
you haven't worked with dak, you haven't worked with the offense.
But do you think he takes the pot of gold
early because he's impetuous like so many players have been,
(35:44):
even in the league wide CBA negotiations.
Speaker 10 (35:47):
Yeah, I mean I think that you see which which
negotiations are run by the player, which are run by
the agent. If there was a need for money, is
there a need to jump in on that big signing
bonus he's going to get and it's going to be big.
That's another thing about the Cowboys. They pay a lot
in bonus compared to other teams to have lower salaries
going forward. He would have jumped already. So I think
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the agents, I think he's CAAA, I'm not sure, are
holding this in line for him. And here's what people
don't understand about negotiations. When you reach a point like this,
some people think, well, this guy called today and they
didn't get anywhere. They called last night, or they're calling
this tonight. They don't talk, they don't talk because whoever
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calls at this point is a sign of weakness, and
they're not talking. I'm pretty sure about that. There's no talking.
So the next conversation will be I think towards closing
the deal because they are where they are. We don't
know exactly, but there are when they are with the
contract and no one's moving. We're to point now where
(36:54):
it's just coming down to who's going to do the
final tweaking and what do they get for that? And
I think that's what people don't understand about negotiations when
it gets to a point like this. If you call
your showing weakness, you just fit.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Dak Prescott is in the last year of his deal.
It's a gargantuan cap hit that to this point they
haven't been willing to at least say they're negotiating, although
there have been reports that they're progressing somewhere in negotiations.
How much does that factor in to see thee Lamb's contract.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
It does. You mentioned it earlier, and I'm very sensitive
to this where teams that have, say at Brock party
level contracted quarterback versus the Dak Prescott level quarterback or
you know, again, whatever's going on with Minnesota quarterbacks. That's
real from the team point of view.
Speaker 8 (37:46):
I get it.
Speaker 10 (37:48):
I've been on that. I you know, my life in
Green Bay was with Aaron Rodgers and Brett farre so
I always was using that line. But I have to
put my agent hat on. And the the agent response
to that is, frankly, that's not my problem, and they're right.
You know they're right. Ceedee lamb. The fact they're paying
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Dak Prescott all the money is not his problem. And
it'd be nice if every agent said, yeah, you're right,
we'll take less because you got expensive quarterback versus a
rookie contract quarterback. That's not the way it works in
real life, So I get it. I don't know, Doug.
I may be proven wrong because I've told you for months,
since I sat there in Dallas and watched my Packers
(38:31):
roll the Cowboys, that this is going to be a
rideout year for Dak Prescott and Mike McCarthy, both in
lame duck years. I just have had that feeling a
long time. Now. You mentioned there are negotiations going, so
I guess there are negotiations, but Dak's also made comments
about playing for someone else. I'm going to stay to
(38:54):
my guns and say that I do not think there's
a new contract for dak Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, I think there's two levels to it. It's really
really hard. And you and I both you especially, we
know and watch the Packers because of your time there.
And it wasn't just that they lost in the playoffs
and he threw those two big picks. They were terrible
against a defense that ultimately they fired the defensive coordinator
like that was not a good defense, and they were
(39:22):
completely outplayed. And it was the second year in a
row in the playoffs in which he had not played
well in the playoffs. And all the leadership, all the
great things that he does, how well he's represented, the
star in the city of Dallas and whatever. At the
end of the day, you're the highest paid guy in
the Dallas Cowboys and you have two bad playoff games
in a row that lead to two losses in a
(39:43):
row and two consecutive years. That's a hard one to
renegotiate a contract, right, that just is. And here's the
other thing, Like, we're all teams are also scared of
a guy being on the street. Are we sure somebody's
gonna pay him sixty million? Dollars next year.
Speaker 10 (40:01):
I think I am because of scarcity. You know, leverage
is about scarcity, it's not I tell people this again,
about negotiations. It's hard to understand. It's not about quote
unquote how good you are. It's timing and marketplace. It's
why Kirk Cousins makes so much more than better quarterbacks.
It's are you in a spot? And I understand your point,
(40:23):
but my answer is yes, because you can't find them.
Name the last productive, reasonably young, successful quarterback that was free,
totally free, and it's probably Cousins. But I think Prescott's
going to have more market value than Cousins. So there
you go. I have no idea what team, I have
(40:44):
no idea how many teams, but one of those teams
should be Dallas in a year. So if Dallas is
bidding against one, two, three, four, five teams, you know
where that money's going to go.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Correct, We know exactly where that money's going to go.
Andrew Brandt joins us. He's a former executive with the Packers,
hosts of the Business of Sports podcasts and the DraftKings Network,
author of the Sunday seven newsletter, which, of course you
can sign up for on his social media page. We
haven't heard or seen anything from Brandon Ayuk. There were
(41:19):
talks of trades and possible avenues trying to get a
new contract. Now nothing crickets. What's that mean?
Speaker 10 (41:26):
Yeah, it's likewise said about Lamb. No one's talking. The
next call that Niners make Diyux agent, that's a sign
of weakness. The next call that Ayux agent makes to
the Niners sign of weakness. The wild card. Here's the trade.
And again I'm no insight information, Doug, but if I
(41:46):
believe the reporting my eko out in San Francisco, the
AU camp turned down to trades and that's extraordinary. You know, again,
we're not talking about Jerry Rice here, We're not talking
about Justin Jefferson. We're talking about Ayuk, who has created
a massive leverage and created a de facto no trade
(42:09):
clause because they have good compensation coming in from the
Patriots and Browns. And Ayuk says no. Now, the Patriots
and Browns could trade form anyway, but they're not going
to do that. They're just not going to do that.
So for whatever reason, Mike Tomlin pik a reason he
or poorly wants to go to Seattle to Steelers, and
(42:30):
the Steelers are probably offering a lot less than the
Patriots and Browns in trade compensation and who knows, maybe
even in contract compensation. But that's where he wants to go.
That's what we read. So maybe it's Ayuk waiting for
a better contract from the forty nine ers. I'm guessing
maybe it's the forty nine Ers waiting for a better
(42:52):
trade offer from the Steelers. But wow, I mean, Brandon
Nyuk has turned the tables on leverage.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
I do think that the Judon trade is interesting. I've
been critical of Atlanta, not for not for going and
getting a rookie quarterback who's twenty four okay, and not
forgetting Kirk Cousins, but forgetting both. You draft the first
round draft pick who's going to sit for at least
probably two years, right, you're drafting a backup or you're
signing a backup. But they got the Judan trade, and
(43:23):
then Judan does not have a contract extension, meaning that
was not part of the negotiation, which I love, like,
make improve it, right, make improve it. From your standpoint,
what's your view on that trade?
Speaker 10 (43:37):
I expected a contract because of what just happened, and
is happening with Reddick and the Jets, same position, same trade,
third round pick, and Reddick even makes more a lot
more than Judon. Reddick says he should get a contract.
Judon says it's fine, Well we have here is communication.
(44:01):
What was said between the Jets and Reddick upon the trade?
What was in what I'm gathering what was said upon
the Falcons Judon trade? Was Judn saying I'm cool, and
the Falcons make the trade. It looked like Reddick said
to the Jets, maybe I'm not cool, and the Jets said, well,
we'll see. And there was obviously a failure to communicate.
(44:23):
What did the Jets think they were getting contractually with Reddick?
What did Reddick think he was walking into contractually? This
is a problem, and I guess kudos to the Falcons
because there's no problem there. As you said, Judan knew
what he was getting into and he's happy to prove it.
(44:43):
Whereas Reddick, it seems like he was told something else.
And I don't know what's going to happen there. I mean,
I've talked about all these situations. I don't know if
Reddick ever plays for the Jets. I mean, that's a
legitimate question to ask.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
I think again, just what I've read was that there
was no agreement of a new contract when they traded
for him. I think there's a possibility though other guys
got new contracts and he's like like, well, okay, well
now it's obviously time. I don't know, it's it is
absolutely fascinating. Hey, you can sign up for a Sunday
seven newsletter. How do you sign up for the Sunday
(45:19):
seven newsletter?
Speaker 10 (45:20):
Yeah, Doug, it's just a simple website mysundayseven dot com
and I come out every Sunday morning, and I also
have videos that go along with that, so check it out.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Jump in.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Of course, you got the business sports podcast the former
executive with the Packers. He's the one known the Andrew
Brant Andrew, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 10 (45:38):
Thanks Doug,
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