August 22, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the top news from the world of college football and has a spirited discussion with Iowa Sam about the NCAA. Doug welcomes FSR betting analyst Jared Smith onto the show to handicap the weekend of college football. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug and the crew through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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t minus. What is it? Two days from college football season?
It in away? Is that right? Days away? Today? A Thursday?
Yesterday was hump day? Hump day? What? What?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
What? Or this is? Do you guys do the TBT
to throwback Throwback Thursday? We need to throw back, we
need to throw ahead, and we can and we can
talk about it. There's two stories in one that I
find to be super fascinating two stories in one. The
first story is that Kirk Farns and one assistant coach
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are going to be suspended for the first game of
the season due to recruiting infractions dealing with the portal
Kate mcnameric quarterback of of Iowa. Apparently there was the
timeline and the communications and it's like a tampering charge basically.
And then there's another story that a former Colorado assistant
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coach actually reached out went to Saudi Arabia to try
and gain funding for the nil of the program. And
here's why I find both these stories interesting and how
it starts our conversation for the day. This is the
Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. First thing is
I would say that our show, cow Heard Show and
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probably Two Pros and A Cup of Joe are the
three nationally the three best shows for college football. I
know there's you know, Fine Bomb, obviously, but he just
talks SEC and and you know, anything he doesn't know
about that's not the SEC, that's not one of the
programs that he thinks are on the rise. It's just,
you know, any effort he can to demolish them, he'll do.
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That's that's his thing, and he takes a bunch of calls.
That's not not how we choose to do it. And
McAfee's on college game Day, so he'll talk about West
Virginia in the big game of the week. But in
terms of the totality of the sport, I'm not saying
others don't love it. They don't cover it as much.
I love it. I'm a fan. I watch it. Obviously,
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we do mostly NFL in football season, but this is
a special year for college football. So we'll wrap it
all up in a second. The first part is that
Kirk Ferns and I'm not saying that IOWA is so
beyond repute that you don't even listen to allegations. Is
obviously there's some meat there that they're accepting the suspensions.
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The point though, is that it's not like Iowa's got
a team running out there. You're like, how'd they get
those dudes? Where the nil the tampering. It has to
be something obscene to get the type of team that
they have. IOWA generally is a model program for getting
the most you can, getting the most you can out
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of one in state kids and two kind of doing
it the right way and being a developmental based program,
and they've done it essentially without an offense the past
couple of years as well. If you want to name
that sononmas with or believed to be doing it the
right way, Kirk farrensh would be on anyone's list. You
may not think they're great. You may not like how
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he handled having his son or how they handled having
his son the bizarre contract. Know yet, by the way,
if he was still there on staff he hadn't signed
that contract, then he'd be the acting head coach of
his dad out. But that's not the point. The point
is that of all the things going on in college football,
don't get me wrong, tampering is among them. Is a
problem among them. Iowas coach is the one that suspended.
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Then you go to the other side of the spectrum,
which is Colorado, who of course, they've been the turnstile
since they've hired Deon Sanders. No team has been more
active in the portal. And with it comes the need
for money. And as much as there's lots of people
who think, hey, these programs they want to win so bad,
there's always money to be at what Ohio State's doing
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everybody can do. The reality is that's not the case
that there are plenty of people that have a lot
of money. They're like, I don't really want to pay
a college student athlete. I just don't you know. They
remember themselves in their college not having any money, Like,
why does that kid have to have money and done anything?
Yet there's plenty of programs like that, and somewhere in
the middle is where most people land. The money is.
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In some places it's obscene, but by and large, there's
a lot less of it. Then you're led to believe,
what do I know. It's not like I coached vision
in basketball? Oh yes I do, Oh yes I do.
When you find out what guys really got and then
they got hit with a tax bill, you'd sit there
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and go like, wow, that's not really what I thought
it would be. No, it's not. But Colorado probably an
effort to feel the best team possible. They're inventive and
not in a non illegal way. Hey we'll go to
Saudi Arabia whatever it takes. People have talked about having
venture capitalists or or money guys come in and buy
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the teams. They're just like, why don't we go to
where the actual money is and go to the southeast.
I bring up those two stories to bring up just
how crazy college football is with zero leadership and with
complete and unadultered capitalism. And here's the story that I
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hit Jay ste with earlier today. And Jason, I don't
know if you mentally checked out the story. You really
liked it, you did sell me on you really liked it.
It reminds me, And tell me if you guys get
this comparison, going from the NCAA, which had probably too
many guardrails, not probably had too many guardrails, but business
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was still really, really, really good to the NCAA kind
of like a lot of police forces over the last
four years. Oh hey, some people wanted to defund us. Fine,
we just won't do anything. Do it yourself. Coming from
how it used to be to how it is now
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is actually I think the biggest parallel. And if you
find this offensive or crazy, it's the Soviet Union to
after Peristrika. And I know this because I actually lived
in Russia from in two thousand and one, from my
early January two thousand one to late June and June
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twenty six to two thousand and one, and all the
stories were the same. You know, they went to free market.
They went from communism to capitalism with no guardrails, and
whoever had money bought up everything, and the rich got richer,
the poor got poor. You know. The owner of my
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basketball team was a former DJ who is basically mafia,
and they had this. I don't know if you know
what a datcha is. It's like a summer home. But
everyone in the Soviet Union got their own summer home.
But it was like a little kind of hut out
in the countryside, beautiful, and you grow potatoes and grow
all other stuff and then you'd store it or pickle
it and you'd have food for the winter. But when
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they went free market, anybody who had money they would
buy up other people's apartments or other people's dodches. And
I remember going to our owner's dodge to be like,
this is amazing. It's not. The countryside had a full
court basketball court, full court tennis court, sawna bessine pool,
hot tub, you name it. It had it. But it
was basically they went through, had money, bought a bunch
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of babish cuts. That's Grandma's not their time shares, their
little summer homes and knocked them down, created one of
their own. And the point is, I'm not seeing here
saying socialism wins. There has to be some amount of socialism,
even in the best part of capitalism. Right happens in
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our own government. We dairy farmers sometimes have to dump
out milk in order to make sure that the price
is doesn't fall below a certain level. Some farmers are
paid to not produce crops on certain lands right there
are Their government assistance is no different than forms of socialism,
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but it's necessary in otherwise the rich get richer and
the poor are incredibly poor. That's what I saw when
I was in Russia, and it's coming out of that
oppressive communist regime. You break free and there's kind of
no rules, and people go crazy and lots of people
get left by the wayside. That's what's happened in college football.
I don't think it was an oppressive rain. I mean,
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let's be honest, Notre Dame in Ohio State, Michigan and
Texas and USC they were printing money. But what's happened
is when you combined the TV revenue now the in
stadium revenue, because now they can sell booze in stadiums.
You start to realize that despite the fact and they're
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using the big excuse. Hey, the Trump Org. I don't
know if you know this, when when Trump was in
office last they took away the ability to write off
buying tickets for your business or your bone or or
a box. So the only way you're going to get
people to give up that huge donation because you know,
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in order to get ticket buy tickets at a university,
a big university, you know, I have to pay for
the tickets, which are obscenely priced, but then you also
have to give a donation. The only way to get
them to do that is to up the end of
what the schedule looks like. Get in a bigger conference,
get a bigger name, and try and sell tickets for
more money and make more money. It's about more and
more and more, more more. And I'm not decrying the
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nature of capitalism. I'm not. I'd like to make more
money too. I understand that you need money to fund
all these things that you want for athletes or fund
for yourself. Everybody's got to make money to make money, right.
We could put that down on my tombstone. In order
to make money. You gotta make money. I mean, it's
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no difference on our radio show. We have to make money.
We have to hit our ad budget target. Whatever. If
we do, we get to stay employed. If we don't,
they go, yeah, let's find somebody else. But I just
those two stories popped up, and I'm like, man, if
that doesn't say college football, I don't know what does.
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One of the guys seen as the Good Guys is
suspended week one for allegedly tampering with a player who
became his quarterback. And one of the programs which is
running I think many people think fast and loose, and
one of the most discussed programs in the country is
Colorado actually went to Saudi Arabia. Like, dude, we gotta
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find some more money. Nothing says college football more than
on the Thursday before they play on a Saturday. We
hear those two stories, and for whatever reason, we're all
kind of okay with it. We're like, yeah, well that's
college football. Like Dan Byron when you saw that story,
and I mean for people who don't know, Dan's from Wisconsin,
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huge Ohio State fan. And again, I think both of
us are realists. Like nobody's holder than now when you
saw Kirk Farrens of all guys is suspended a game
like you had to sit there like is white is black?
Day is night? This is a weird story.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
It's about time they get that scofflaw under under wraps.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Right, that's that's sarcasm. Just just so people understand that's sark.
That is sarcasm, right, I'm.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Just yeah, yeah, although not everything has been rosy under
curt No.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And again, you know they've had sure, it's not they've
had issues.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
It's not ahead issues. Yeah, they've had issues, but not
recruiting issues.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
It's also not seen as and maybe some of it's
how we cover it. Maybe it's not seen as a
bandit program. You know, it's just not it's a weird one.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
It's weird because it's the transfer portal, it's everything that's
opening up in college football, and then this is now
it's like it seems like it's a free for all.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
But then they're like, hold on a second.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
We actually have some rules. Like wait, they're rules. I've
actually said that kind of jokingly, and my athletic tractorjustments
like know they're really rules, Like I know they're rules,
but yeah, it doesn't seem like most people are applying them.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
The rules are relatively new for the transfer portal, that's
another thing. And so if Kate McNamara was this was
two years ago, the transfer portal was brand new, so
it's like, yeah, there's gonna be rules broken. By the way,
the NCAA has very little integrity to begin with, So
why should we even take this story that seriously? Like,
you know, they've just shown that they have. They're inconsistent
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and there they rules apply to one program not the other,
and they dole out punishment harsher to one program than another.
I look at the NCAA and I just kind of
roll my eyes like I would.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I'll say this, okay, this is the real thing. I'd
be careful about saying they lack integrity.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
They do. It's laughable. How so, I mean, I don't know,
there's been people dozens. What do we are we serious here?
Do we think that?
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Then?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
I don't think that the integrity they don't.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yes, by the way, by the way, what is the
n c.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
A Athletics Association?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yes, but what what you're you're acting like?
Speaker 5 (14:31):
It's it's a governing body of like mostly faceless people
who just make these arbitrary decisions.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Okay, Sam, why don't you just say I don't know
what the NCAA actually is.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I do know what the NCAA is, Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
How do they come up with the nca rules.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Over the course of decades?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
How do they come up with them?
Speaker 5 (14:51):
I don't know how they're a guy funny because you're.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Because Doug is absolutely right, you are saying nothing, Sam,
like absolutely nothing. And it's saying you know, use this
word in a sentence, and and and you you can't
do it except just to say the.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Word or you use Tell me how they come up
with rules?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Okay. The NCAA is all they are is the body
of schools. Yes, they have people there who try and
and and you know they have like when they have
a hearing on infractions. You do have some people that
work for the nca but it's generally decided by people
who work for the schools. They're just the member institutions.
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It's no different than like if you say, like it's
like Congress. You know, it's more like the Senate than
it is like the House. But you know you're if
you don't like the rules, well, the schools are the
ones that come up with the rules. Again, a lot
of the rules don't make sense, and there are caine
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and and and they defy current logic and they have
to be updated and have to be streamlined. Okay, But
saying they don't have integrity, like, what are you talking about, Well,
the people tried to have they've tried to have rules,
and many of those rules and rulings which they all
agreed to, somebody goes to court and says, now we'll
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strike down that rule. I don't think it's a lack
of integrity. If you want to say consistency, I agree
with you.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Well, I don't think a lack of consistency. You have
a lack of integrity. No, because if you don't apply rules.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
No consistency and integrity or to what is your definition
of consistency.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
When you apply the rules fairly to all bodies for
the same crime. Listen, I get that you have to
you have to enforce the rules. And of course there
are schools that are doing shady dealings and they need
to be punished, and those a lot of times those
punishments are sure they're legitimate because they did make an infraction.
But I mean, you could just I mean, Dan, I
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know you don't want to weigh in on this or
you would have a different take. But Michigan fans, i'm
sure have a real problem with the way the NCAA
handled Harbaugh.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Well, they haven't yet in terms of you mean know,
the most recent with the COVID thing, because they haven't
yet with the Connor Stallion stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I think that's the biggest problem though. The Dan is
that Sam thinks that every ruling that comes down is
from the NCAA. The only thing that's happened so far
with Michigan regards to Connor stallions was from I'm.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Talking about like the cheeseburger, the the COVID, you know,
the recruiting stuff that happened during COVID.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah, which he was just recently given the show caused
penalty for a year.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
They were disregarding the rules during COVID. Same thing happened
in Arizona State. They got hammered as well, and Herm
Edwards was the coach there.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Then, I think I'll try to sum it up like this,
if your team gets hit with a suspension the nc
double A stinks. If your rival doesn't get as harsh
of a penalty, you think the nc double A stinks.
And to Doug's point, there's a lot of stuff that
people just don't understand or the NCAA is archaic in
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their way of doing things, But that doesn't necessarily mean
that they are vindictive and corrupt and how they operate correct.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I don't thin, I don't. I don't think it's it's
fair to say that they're corrupt or what was the
word you reason? They lack integrity? That's a that's a strong,
strong thing. Lack any integrity is when you overlook broken rules,
because you know, why do you overlook broken rules? Like again,
it's a super flawed way of doing it. They have.
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They don't have a big enforcement staff at all. You
kind of got to either turn yourself in or have
some somebody who turns you in. It doesn't happen very often,
you know. I mean, like, look, I just again, this
is where Sam, we have a limit on how many
hours were allowed to practice during the season outside of
the season, right, And I greatly disagree with the hours limit.
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I think it's dumb, like why are we paid to
be coaches when we can only have I can only
be with my players in the gym as a group
for four hours a week during the summer, and the
strength coach gets them for four hours a week wherever
he wants in the summer. It doesn't make sense to me.
And the people say, wow, you don't want too much
of a burden for these players, Like what burden? They're
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taking classes online, they have the whole rest of the day,
and if you practice too much, you'll lose your team anyway,
Like I don't nobody wants to be in there all
day anyway, but like, why are there limitations on it?
But there are rules? And then I have to fill
out a sheet at the end of every week or
end of every month, okay, and write down exactly when
we started practice, exactly we started off right. And the
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only time that you get caught with the hours is
if you lie on it or you sign it and
then your captain has to come sign it and some
and you disagree. So it's a little bit you're kind
of self policing a little bit of this stuff, or somebody
has to turn you in. But when you say the
NCAA lacks integrity, like I think that's unfair because you
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don't how it works. None of this is about their integrity.
Do they lack consistency? It appears that way, but again
we don't know so many of the details as to
what rises these levels of infractions. Like I thought my
own Monel was treated incredibly unfairly. Oklahoma State basketball was
when they were kept out of the NCAA tournament for
a year. But the fact is they did have a
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coach who was on staff who was caught siphoning off
money and trying to pay money to get a recruit.
That's the reality to it. Now. Their issue was they
actually cooperated and got punished what they felt like was
way more harshly than others that didn't cooperate. So it's like,
what's the point of cooperating? But in terms of an
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integrity issue, that one, that's a word I think that's incendiary,
not accurate. And I haven't seen any proof of their
vindictive Like why would they be vindictive towards Iowa? They
had information, they clearly broke a rule they they made
I'm sure they went through the cell phones. He made
contact in time they shouldn't have. And if the argument is, hey,
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everybody's doing it, I've tried that argument on LA freeways. Right,
I'll just keep it up with the speed of traffic light. Yeah,
but you were going any five? Like, yeah, everybody's going
to any five. Yes, speed them it is fifty five.
You were going eighty five. It's like everybody's going to
eighty five. Like, that's not the way the law works.
When you get caught breaking the law and they choose
to pull you over, you gotta have the you gotta
pay the ticket. But the NCAA is just nothing more
than the school Sammy.
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you know your show is on Saturdays. Leads us up
to college football. I got to ask from a handicapper's perspective,
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it feels like, again I'm the laming, you're the professional,
you're the expert. It does feel like it's got to
be really difficult to handicap these early season games because
so much is different. Right the transfer port you have
whole new team's, whole new quarterbacks. It's not just that
you don't know the guy you're playing with, but who
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you're playing against can be very different from what it
looked like, you know on paper last season. What are
your thoughts on betting early season college football.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, I think it's the first two weeks are the toughest.
So it's not as tough as college basketball, as you know.
In fact, one of my first you know, conversations I
have with a bookmaker in this business, I asked him
what's the toughest and he said, those early season college
basketball games keep me up at night. But we're getting
to that point in college football, and the transfer portal
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is one thing, but just the conference landscape is now
another thing. Like you have teams traveling to cities they've
never traveled to before. You have a significantly different travel schedule.
And I know travel, we don't think of it as
a big deal, but these teams and these coaches are
creatures of habit. For example, I used to call games
in the Sun Belt. We went to the same hotel
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every time we went to Troy, Alabama. Like it just
you get into this habit of going to the same
cities the same years, and now you're completely shuffling the
deck at the highest levels, at the SEC Big ten levels,
and it just it makes for even more volatility than
there usually is.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Okay, with that in mind, we start week zero in
college football this weekend, and you know, you have a
Florida State team that was awesome last season, awesome, and
then you know nobody plays in the bowl game, they
get beat after they don't get into College Football playoff,
and you start to question, wait, maybe they weren't awesome.
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They take on Georgia Tech. So you have an ACC
game this early in the season, and you know, as
you mentioned, you're playing in a different location, you're playing
in Dublin, Ireland. How do you even begin to know
what this game will look like?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, and again you look at you you're just trying
to look at positional units and rankings and trust people
who really know how to grade. And it looks like Florida.
I think Florida State's gonna have a really positive year.
I just don't know how positive, because again they're going
through a bunch of change.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
The market really likes Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Here.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
The market is a little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Undecided on the total, and the total is always intriguing.
Anytime you're playing at a neutral venue overseas, you have
a different pitch, right, as they call it. I kept
an eye on the under in this game last year.
It did end up going under between Navy and Notre
Dame the game that was overseas. So I always look
under early in the season. I always look towards the
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dog early in the season. And I absolutely think Florida
State it's not going to be as competitive of an
ACC as maybe we're used to. I think Miami and
Florida State frankly are the two best teams, and I
would expect to be I would expect the Knowles to
be at some point fighting for that conference title at
the end.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
You know, the ACC it's interesting, you know, they want
to be judged as equals with the others in the
Big three. Are definitely in the top two. Florida State
appears to be back, Miami hasn't to this point, and
Virginia Tech also another historic past as well as Clemson.
Clemson has the most continuity of any team in the country.
They have done nothing in the portal in comparison to
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everybody else in high major football. What are your thoughts
on Clemson's outlook with a very difficult schedule.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, really tough schedule. I mean about as tough as
it gets. You played Georgia in Atlanta in your first game.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
But then things ease up. But to be fair.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I think that app State game week too, is not
a cupcake either. And then you get the early buy.
You get tough road games at Florida State, at Wake Forest,
at Virginia Tech. No easy place to play, but the
rest of the schedule is very manageable. I mean, I
could absolutely see this Clemson team going ten and two
or eleven and one and that being their only loss
early in the year to Georgia.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
And it's a very different landscape.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
We usually think about, oh, if you lose a game
in Week one, you're done.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
Well, that's not the goal anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
The bar is lower you can Frankly, I think there's
a chance there's a chance a team like Clemson could
lose to Georgia, lose another game throughout the course of
the season, and still win the ACC and still get
into the playoffs. Sure, and that really changes the math.
When you could lose not only one, but maybe two
or even three games, I think there is going to
be at least man maybe not at least I think
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there's going to be one three lost team in the
playoff this year, which in prior years is unheard of.
I mean, you lose two games, forget it, you're cooked.
You lose three, and there's still going to be some
teams I think in the Big Ten and the SEC
that have a fighters chance. Obviously, with Clemson, it's all
about how the quarterback adapts. I do like Kate Klebnink.
I think he's a high achiever. I just don't know
if he's going to take that next step. Miami, Florida State,
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those are teams that have very accomplished quarterbacks, very accomplished backfields,
where I don't know if Clemson's on that level yet.
They don't quite have the talent like they used to because,
as you said, they haven't been as aggressive in the portal.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Okay, Ohio State went out and spent a ton of money.
I mean it's not just players, right, they got Chip Kelly,
but they name a quarterback who is kind of underwhelming,
comes over from Kansas State to be their starter. And
they're a team. I mean you look at even some
of the best, maybe not recently, maybe not as many
Ryan Day teams, but they're a team that you know
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when they're great. Sometimes they kind of scuffle offensively early
in the years, they kind of get it together. What's
your outlook for Ohio State this season.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I think, and this pains me as a Penn State guy,
but I think they're the best team in the Big
Ten and I think their players are now significantly better
than the rest of the conference. Michigan will take a
step back this year. I think Penn State's good. I
just don't trust the quarterback. I think Oregon is really
good and I think that's the one team that can
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give Ohio State problems. And that game in mid October
is going to be fascinating. When Ohio State goes to Eugene,
in fact, that probably will be one of the games
of the year in the Big Ten. Besides when Ohio
State plays, I actually think they're not not They do
go to Penn State this year, so I think those
are those are the two games to circle for Ohio
State this year at Oregon at Penn State. See the
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game against Michigan's going to be big, but they get
that game at home, and again I think Michigan is
going to be down. So it's really about Can the quarterback.
And I've been a fan of Howard. I think he's
a really good dual threat quarterback. I just don't know
if he's able to again take that next step and
be relied upon to be the guy.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
Ohio States offense I think does have the elite weapons.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
They lost a little bit in the draft, as they
normally do, but they have guys reloading at every single position.
Everything I hear from Columbus is they are stacked and
loaded at every single position.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
The only question is can well Howard be elite.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
If he can, this team's going to be fantastic because
Jim Knowles, one of the most underrated defensive coordinators in
the country, is going to have that defense at a
very high level again. And it's all about can they
just win those two I mean, those are the two
games that you circle that that are trip up games.
And if they get past those there, even if they
drop the game to Michigan in the final week of
the year, they're still going to be in the playoff.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
What about USC in the in the new Big Ten.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Oh I think the LA teams are going to struggle.
I think both, especially UCLA, who's really behind in coaching
and just you know, weapons and talent. But I think
UCLA or USC, if they can get the defense going,
I know Bo Benson's listening right now. If they can
get the defense a little bit more. I guess average
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because they were so below average last year. It was
one of the worst defenses industry of college football for
a program on their level, if they can get the
defense playing at an average level, obviously, you know, we
saw the quarterback in the ball game last year. He
looked like he can at least handle the pressure, and
we know they have weapons. It's a different conference, so
we'll see how they mashed into the Big Ten. We'll
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see what the travels like for them this year. Again,
they're kind of on the worst end of it, having
to go across the country a bunch.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
But USC is used to it.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I think UCLA again, of the two LA teams coming
into the Big Ten, I do think you see label struggle.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
More Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I
think Oklahoma is one of the two or three most
interesting teams in the country because they've been so dominant
in the Big twelve, but now they go to the SEC,
kind of step up in weight class, another change at quarterback.
What are your thoughts on Oklahoma year one SEC.
Speaker 8 (31:13):
Yeah, they play a really tough schedule too.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Just in general, I think this Oklahoma team has the
biggest transition of all going to the SEC. They lost
their entire offensive line, they lost their all conference receiver Stoops,
they lost their obviously, their quarterback was now at Oregon.
Their offensive coordinator, Jeff Levy's now the head coach of
Mississippi State. They hired from within Seth Latrell. But Latrell
has been brutal. He was at North Texas for a
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bunch of years. He's going five in bowl games. He
call plays in the Alamo Bow at the end of
last season and Oklahoma got shut out in the fourth quarter.
So I just think Oklahoma going to the SEC. Unlike Texas,
which I think has been slowly adapting to the SEC
lifestyle over the last few years, I don't think Oklahoma
is there. And then you throw in that Sez gauntlet.
I mean, I do like Brent Venables, I like the defense.
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I don't know how he is managing a team, and
with the schedule makers not doing them really any favors,
they play six of the top eight teams in the SEC.
I mean, this ain't the Big twelve anymore. So I
think the gauntlet of the season, especially with Oklahoma's offensive
line being completely new and you've got to go up
against SEC defensive lineman every week. They're a team that
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might show you a couple things. They might win a
few low scoring games early in the year, but as
the season goes on and the gauntlet continues, I think
Oklahoma's going to struggle.
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Let's get to a game with Dan Byer.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Danny, what's the game today? Doug?
Speaker 4 (33:14):
The game today is.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
I feel a draft?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
All right?
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Today's topic good conversation baseball players past or present that
we just loved watch hitting at the plate. Just maybe
someone who would say, Okay, I can't leave for the
drink in the kitchen because they're coming up, or someone
to make you run into the living room to watch.
Maybe at a ball game, you're not going to go
and leave for a hot dog. Doug, you have the
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first overall pick. I am second, Jason is third, Sam
is number four and five, and then we reverse it
in the second round. Doug, you are on the clock
pick number one.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I know I'm an Angel fan, so I'll be called
a homer, and I know there'll be some joke made
about how many times he's been hurt. But I think
in the conversation of greatest position players ever is Mike Trout.
And if you've ever been to a game where Mike
Trout comes up to the plate, there's just a different energy. Yeah, well,
just a different energy, and I love watching the guy
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hit a baseball. I'm gonna go with Mike Trout.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
I am gonna go.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
I think it's an obvious answer, even though we think
we know Barry Bonds in his heyday, no matter what
he was taking, I mean, it was because you're expecting
to see the home run. It's why I never want
to miss an end of half of a college basketball
because you may see a half court shot going to
give me Barry Bonds at number two, Barry Bonds.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
I feel like you made this game for me. Dan,
It's kind of a gift to me. You've seen me
maybe a little stressed out Realy. He said, I'm going
to do a game for Jason, and I appreciate that.
I don't know if you guys know this. I don't
know if our listeners do tweet me if you want.
I taught myself out of switch it, and I lettered
in baseball twice in southern California, so that's that's not
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to be taken lightly. And there are two hitters I
modeled my swing after. I'll give one now and one
next round. William Neuschloer Clark, Will Clark maybe the prettiest
swing in the history of baseball.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
In the conversation at three, huh, all right, Sam, you
have back to back picks here.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
I am taking I grew up a Phillies fans. I'm
gonna take Ryan Howard. All right.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Wow, that's a deep poll, man. I did not expect that.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
One World Series champs and my second one. You know,
I got to see him in person once hit a
home run. Frank Thomas, the White Sox. All right, well
big hurts interesting.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
Oh shoot the second guy it was my guy, grown
up George Brett. George Brett, Hall of Famer, kannesassee royal.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
I'm gonna go completely off the board here. You ready
for this? Yes, Madison Bumgardner to watch a pitcher hit
and for a guy that could go yard. It may
not have been all the time, it may not have
been throughout his entire career, but there was a time where,
remember mad bum would actually pinch it because he was
a decent option for the Giants. So if the Giants
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were on and Madison Bumgardner was pitching and he was
due up, I would watch Madison Bumgarner.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Will Will Clark's on any in any conversation of prettiest swings,
So too is mine, and you guys are going to
all kick yourself.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Yep, I knew that was going.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah. I mean he was special, Yes, he was special.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Everyone's favorite player pretty much right around our age, darn near.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And that's the scame time.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
This is game time on the Doug gott Leap Show.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Thing about him, is you know. In comparison to Aaron Judge,
who some idiot Little League coach at the Little League
World Series called out because he was in the batters.
He was in the on deck circle and didn't hear
or didn't say anything to the New York kids yelling
his name is Ken Griffith Jr. Like, not sure he's
the greatest dude in the world. In comparison to the image,
whereas Aaron Judge is anyway coming up next to the
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t minus. What is it? Two days from college football season?
It in away? Is that right? Days away? Today? A Thursday?
Yesterday was hump day? Hump day? What? What?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
What? Or this is? Do you guys do the TBT
to throwback Throwback Thursday? We need to throw back, we
need to throw ahead, and we can and we can
talk about it. There's two stories in one that I
find to be super fascinating two stories in one. The
first story is that Kirk Farns and one assistant coach
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are going to be suspended for the first game of
the season due to recruiting infractions dealing with the portal
Kate mcnameric quarterback of of Iowa. Apparently there was the
timeline and the communications and it's like a tampering charge basically.
And then there's another story that a former Colorado assistant
(01:54):
coach actually reached out went to Saudi Arabia to try
and gain funding for the nil of the program. And
here's why I find both these stories interesting and how
it starts our conversation for the day. This is the
Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. First thing is
I would say that our show, cow Heard Show and
(02:20):
probably Two Pros and A Cup of Joe are the
three nationally the three best shows for college football. I
know there's you know, Fine Bomb, obviously, but he just
talks SEC and and you know, anything he doesn't know
about that's not the SEC, that's not one of the
programs that he thinks are on the rise. It's just,
you know, any effort he can to demolish them, he'll do.
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That's that's his thing, and he takes a bunch of calls.
That's not not how we choose to do it. And
McAfee's on college game Day, so he'll talk about West
Virginia in the big game of the week. But in
terms of the totality of the sport, I'm not saying
others don't love it. They don't cover it as much.
I love it. I'm a fan. I watch it. Obviously,
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we do mostly NFL in football season, but this is
a special year for college football. So we'll wrap it
all up in a second. The first part is that
Kirk Ferns and I'm not saying that IOWA is so
beyond repute that you don't even listen to allegations. Is
obviously there's some meat there that they're accepting the suspensions.
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The point though, is that it's not like Iowa's got
a team running out there. You're like, how'd they get
those dudes? Where the nil the tampering. It has to
be something obscene to get the type of team that
they have. IOWA generally is a model program for getting
the most you can, getting the most you can out
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of one in state kids and two kind of doing
it the right way and being a developmental based program,
and they've done it essentially without an offense the past
couple of years as well. If you want to name
that sononmas with or believed to be doing it the
right way, Kirk farrensh would be on anyone's list. You
may not think they're great. You may not like how
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he handled having his son or how they handled having
his son the bizarre contract. Know yet, by the way,
if he was still there on staff he hadn't signed
that contract, then he'd be the acting head coach of
his dad out. But that's not the point. The point
is that of all the things going on in college football,
don't get me wrong, tampering is among them. Is a
problem among them. Iowas coach is the one that suspended.
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Then you go to the other side of the spectrum,
which is Colorado, who of course, they've been the turnstile
since they've hired Deon Sanders. No team has been more
active in the portal. And with it comes the need
for money. And as much as there's lots of people
who think, hey, these programs they want to win so bad,
there's always money to be at what Ohio State's doing
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everybody can do. The reality is that's not the case
that there are plenty of people that have a lot
of money. They're like, I don't really want to pay
a college student athlete. I just don't you know. They
remember themselves in their college not having any money, Like,
why does that kid have to have money and done anything?
Yet there's plenty of programs like that, and somewhere in
the middle is where most people land. The money is.
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In some places it's obscene, but by and large, there's
a lot less of it. Then you're led to believe,
what do I know. It's not like I coached vision
in basketball? Oh yes I do, Oh yes I do.
When you find out what guys really got and then
they got hit with a tax bill, you'd sit there
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and go like, wow, that's not really what I thought
it would be. No, it's not. But Colorado probably an
effort to feel the best team possible. They're inventive and
not in a non illegal way. Hey we'll go to
Saudi Arabia whatever it takes. People have talked about having
venture capitalists or or money guys come in and buy
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the teams. They're just like, why don't we go to
where the actual money is and go to the southeast.
I bring up those two stories to bring up just
how crazy college football is with zero leadership and with
complete and unadultered capitalism. And here's the story that I
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hit Jay ste with earlier today. And Jason, I don't
know if you mentally checked out the story. You really
liked it, you did sell me on you really liked it.
It reminds me, And tell me if you guys get
this comparison, going from the NCAA, which had probably too
many guardrails, not probably had too many guardrails, but business
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was still really, really, really good to the NCAA kind
of like a lot of police forces over the last
four years. Oh hey, some people wanted to defund us. Fine,
we just won't do anything. Do it yourself. Coming from
how it used to be to how it is now
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is actually I think the biggest parallel. And if you
find this offensive or crazy, it's the Soviet Union to
after Peristrika. And I know this because I actually lived
in Russia from in two thousand and one, from my
early January two thousand one to late June and June
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twenty six to two thousand and one, and all the
stories were the same. You know, they went to free market.
They went from communism to capitalism with no guardrails, and
whoever had money bought up everything, and the rich got richer,
the poor got poor. You know. The owner of my
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basketball team was a former DJ who is basically mafia,
and they had this. I don't know if you know
what a datcha is. It's like a summer home. But
everyone in the Soviet Union got their own summer home.
But it was like a little kind of hut out
in the countryside, beautiful, and you grow potatoes and grow
all other stuff and then you'd store it or pickle
it and you'd have food for the winter. But when
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they went free market, anybody who had money they would
buy up other people's apartments or other people's dodches. And
I remember going to our owner's dodge to be like,
this is amazing. It's not. The countryside had a full
court basketball court, full court tennis court, sawna bessine pool,
hot tub, you name it. It had it. But it
was basically they went through, had money, bought a bunch
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of babish cuts. That's Grandma's not their time shares, their
little summer homes and knocked them down, created one of
their own. And the point is, I'm not seeing here
saying socialism wins. There has to be some amount of socialism,
even in the best part of capitalism. Right happens in
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our own government. We dairy farmers sometimes have to dump
out milk in order to make sure that the price
is doesn't fall below a certain level. Some farmers are
paid to not produce crops on certain lands right there
are Their government assistance is no different than forms of socialism,
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but it's necessary in otherwise the rich get richer and
the poor are incredibly poor. That's what I saw when
I was in Russia, and it's coming out of that
oppressive communist regime. You break free and there's kind of
no rules, and people go crazy and lots of people
get left by the wayside. That's what's happened in college football.
I don't think it was an oppressive rain. I mean,
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let's be honest, Notre Dame in Ohio State, Michigan and
Texas and USC they were printing money. But what's happened
is when you combined the TV revenue now the in
stadium revenue, because now they can sell booze in stadiums.
You start to realize that despite the fact and they're
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using the big excuse. Hey, the Trump Org. I don't
know if you know this, when when Trump was in
office last they took away the ability to write off
buying tickets for your business or your bone or or
a box. So the only way you're going to get
people to give up that huge donation because you know,
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in order to get ticket buy tickets at a university,
a big university, you know, I have to pay for
the tickets, which are obscenely priced, but then you also
have to give a donation. The only way to get
them to do that is to up the end of
what the schedule looks like. Get in a bigger conference,
get a bigger name, and try and sell tickets for
more money and make more money. It's about more and
more and more, more more. And I'm not decrying the
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nature of capitalism. I'm not. I'd like to make more
money too. I understand that you need money to fund
all these things that you want for athletes or fund
for yourself. Everybody's got to make money to make money, right.
We could put that down on my tombstone. In order
to make money. You gotta make money. I mean, it's
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no difference on our radio show. We have to make money.
We have to hit our ad budget target. Whatever. If
we do, we get to stay employed. If we don't,
they go, yeah, let's find somebody else. But I just
those two stories popped up, and I'm like, man, if
that doesn't say college football, I don't know what does.
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One of the guys seen as the Good Guys is
suspended week one for allegedly tampering with a player who
became his quarterback. And one of the programs which is
running I think many people think fast and loose, and
one of the most discussed programs in the country is
Colorado actually went to Saudi Arabia. Like, dude, we gotta
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find some more money. Nothing says college football more than
on the Thursday before they play on a Saturday. We
hear those two stories, and for whatever reason, we're all
kind of okay with it. We're like, yeah, well that's
college football. Like Dan Byron when you saw that story,
and I mean for people who don't know, Dan's from Wisconsin,
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huge Ohio State fan. And again, I think both of
us are realists. Like nobody's holder than now when you
saw Kirk Farrens of all guys is suspended a game
like you had to sit there like is white is black?
Day is night? This is a weird story.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
It's about time they get that scofflaw under under wraps.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Right, that's that's sarcasm. Just just so people understand that's sark.
That is sarcasm, right, I'm.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Just yeah, yeah, although not everything has been rosy under
curt No.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And again, you know they've had sure, it's not they've
had issues.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
It's not ahead issues. Yeah, they've had issues, but not
recruiting issues.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
It's also not seen as and maybe some of it's
how we cover it. Maybe it's not seen as a
bandit program. You know, it's just not it's a weird one.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
It's weird because it's the transfer portal, it's everything that's
opening up in college football, and then this is now
it's like it seems like it's a free for all.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
But then they're like, hold on a second.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
We actually have some rules. Like wait, they're rules. I've
actually said that kind of jokingly, and my athletic tractorjustments
like know they're really rules, Like I know they're rules,
but yeah, it doesn't seem like most people are applying them.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
The rules are relatively new for the transfer portal, that's
another thing. And so if Kate McNamara was this was
two years ago, the transfer portal was brand new, so
it's like, yeah, there's gonna be rules broken. By the way,
the NCAA has very little integrity to begin with, So
why should we even take this story that seriously? Like,
you know, they've just shown that they have. They're inconsistent
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and there they rules apply to one program not the other,
and they dole out punishment harsher to one program than another.
I look at the NCAA and I just kind of
roll my eyes like I would.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I'll say this, okay, this is the real thing. I'd
be careful about saying they lack integrity.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
They do. It's laughable. How so, I mean, I don't know,
there's been people dozens. What do we are we serious here?
Do we think that?
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Then?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
I don't think that the integrity they don't.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yes, by the way, by the way, what is the
n c.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
A Athletics Association?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yes, but what what you're you're acting like?
Speaker 5 (14:31):
It's it's a governing body of like mostly faceless people
who just make these arbitrary decisions.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Okay, Sam, why don't you just say I don't know
what the NCAA actually is.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I do know what the NCAA is, Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
How do they come up with the nca rules.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Over the course of decades?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
How do they come up with them?
Speaker 5 (14:51):
I don't know how they're a guy funny because you're.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Because Doug is absolutely right, you are saying nothing, Sam,
like absolutely nothing. And it's saying you know, use this
word in a sentence, and and and you you can't
do it except just to say the.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Word or you use Tell me how they come up
with rules?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Okay. The NCAA is all they are is the body
of schools. Yes, they have people there who try and
and and you know they have like when they have
a hearing on infractions. You do have some people that
work for the nca but it's generally decided by people
who work for the schools. They're just the member institutions.
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It's no different than like if you say, like it's
like Congress. You know, it's more like the Senate than
it is like the House. But you know you're if
you don't like the rules, well, the schools are the
ones that come up with the rules. Again, a lot
of the rules don't make sense, and there are caine
(15:53):
and and and they defy current logic and they have
to be updated and have to be streamlined. Okay, But
saying they don't have integrity, like, what are you talking about, Well,
the people tried to have they've tried to have rules,
and many of those rules and rulings which they all
agreed to, somebody goes to court and says, now we'll
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strike down that rule. I don't think it's a lack
of integrity. If you want to say consistency, I agree
with you.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Well, I don't think a lack of consistency. You have
a lack of integrity. No, because if you don't apply rules.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
No consistency and integrity or to what is your definition
of consistency.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
When you apply the rules fairly to all bodies for
the same crime. Listen, I get that you have to
you have to enforce the rules. And of course there
are schools that are doing shady dealings and they need
to be punished, and those a lot of times those
punishments are sure they're legitimate because they did make an infraction.
But I mean, you could just I mean, Dan, I
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know you don't want to weigh in on this or
you would have a different take. But Michigan fans, i'm
sure have a real problem with the way the NCAA
handled Harbaugh.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Well, they haven't yet in terms of you mean know,
the most recent with the COVID thing, because they haven't
yet with the Connor Stallion stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I think that's the biggest problem though. The Dan is
that Sam thinks that every ruling that comes down is
from the NCAA. The only thing that's happened so far
with Michigan regards to Connor stallions was from I'm.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Talking about like the cheeseburger, the the COVID, you know,
the recruiting stuff that happened during COVID.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah, which he was just recently given the show caused
penalty for a year.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
They were disregarding the rules during COVID. Same thing happened
in Arizona State. They got hammered as well, and Herm
Edwards was the coach there.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Then, I think I'll try to sum it up like this,
if your team gets hit with a suspension the nc
double A stinks. If your rival doesn't get as harsh
of a penalty, you think the nc double A stinks.
And to Doug's point, there's a lot of stuff that
people just don't understand or the NCAA is archaic in
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their way of doing things, But that doesn't necessarily mean
that they are vindictive and corrupt and how they operate correct.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I don't thin, I don't. I don't think it's it's
fair to say that they're corrupt or what was the
word you reason? They lack integrity? That's a that's a strong,
strong thing. Lack any integrity is when you overlook broken rules,
because you know, why do you overlook broken rules? Like again,
it's a super flawed way of doing it. They have.
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They don't have a big enforcement staff at all. You
kind of got to either turn yourself in or have
some somebody who turns you in. It doesn't happen very often,
you know. I mean, like, look, I just again, this
is where Sam, we have a limit on how many
hours were allowed to practice during the season outside of
the season, right, And I greatly disagree with the hours limit.
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I think it's dumb, like why are we paid to
be coaches when we can only have I can only
be with my players in the gym as a group
for four hours a week during the summer, and the
strength coach gets them for four hours a week wherever
he wants in the summer. It doesn't make sense to me.
And the people say, wow, you don't want too much
of a burden for these players, Like what burden? They're
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taking classes online, they have the whole rest of the day,
and if you practice too much, you'll lose your team anyway,
Like I don't nobody wants to be in there all
day anyway, but like, why are there limitations on it?
But there are rules? And then I have to fill
out a sheet at the end of every week or
end of every month, okay, and write down exactly when
we started practice, exactly we started off right. And the
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only time that you get caught with the hours is
if you lie on it or you sign it and
then your captain has to come sign it and some
and you disagree. So it's a little bit you're kind
of self policing a little bit of this stuff, or somebody
has to turn you in. But when you say the
NCAA lacks integrity, like I think that's unfair because you
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don't how it works. None of this is about their integrity.
Do they lack consistency? It appears that way, but again
we don't know so many of the details as to
what rises these levels of infractions. Like I thought my
own Monel was treated incredibly unfairly. Oklahoma State basketball was
when they were kept out of the NCAA tournament for
a year. But the fact is they did have a
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coach who was on staff who was caught siphoning off
money and trying to pay money to get a recruit.
That's the reality to it. Now. Their issue was they
actually cooperated and got punished what they felt like was
way more harshly than others that didn't cooperate. So it's like,
what's the point of cooperating? But in terms of an
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integrity issue, that one, that's a word I think that's incendiary,
not accurate. And I haven't seen any proof of their
vindictive Like why would they be vindictive towards Iowa? They
had information, they clearly broke a rule they they made
I'm sure they went through the cell phones. He made
contact in time they shouldn't have. And if the argument is, hey,
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everybody's doing it, I've tried that argument on LA freeways. Right,
I'll just keep it up with the speed of traffic light. Yeah,
but you were going any five? Like, yeah, everybody's going
to any five. Yes, speed them it is fifty five.
You were going eighty five. It's like everybody's going to
eighty five. Like, that's not the way the law works.
When you get caught breaking the law and they choose
to pull you over, you gotta have the you gotta
pay the ticket. But the NCAA is just nothing more
than the school Sammy.
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thanks so much for taking some time with us. Obviously,
you know your show is on Saturdays. Leads us up
to college football. I got to ask from a handicapper's perspective,
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it feels like, again I'm the laming, you're the professional,
you're the expert. It does feel like it's got to
be really difficult to handicap these early season games because
so much is different. Right the transfer port you have
whole new team's, whole new quarterbacks. It's not just that
you don't know the guy you're playing with, but who
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you're playing against can be very different from what it
looked like, you know on paper last season. What are
your thoughts on betting early season college football.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, I think it's the first two weeks are the toughest.
So it's not as tough as college basketball, as you know.
In fact, one of my first you know, conversations I
have with a bookmaker in this business, I asked him
what's the toughest and he said, those early season college
basketball games keep me up at night. But we're getting
to that point in college football, and the transfer portal
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is one thing, but just the conference landscape is now
another thing. Like you have teams traveling to cities they've
never traveled to before. You have a significantly different travel schedule.
And I know travel, we don't think of it as
a big deal, but these teams and these coaches are
creatures of habit. For example, I used to call games
in the Sun Belt. We went to the same hotel
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every time we went to Troy, Alabama. Like it just
you get into this habit of going to the same
cities the same years, and now you're completely shuffling the
deck at the highest levels, at the SEC Big ten levels,
and it just it makes for even more volatility than
there usually is.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Okay, with that in mind, we start week zero in
college football this weekend, and you know, you have a
Florida State team that was awesome last season, awesome, and
then you know nobody plays in the bowl game, they
get beat after they don't get into College Football playoff,
and you start to question, wait, maybe they weren't awesome.
(24:35):
They take on Georgia Tech. So you have an ACC
game this early in the season, and you know, as
you mentioned, you're playing in a different location, you're playing
in Dublin, Ireland. How do you even begin to know
what this game will look like?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, and again you look at you you're just trying
to look at positional units and rankings and trust people
who really know how to grade. And it looks like Florida.
I think Florida State's gonna have a really positive year.
I just don't know how positive, because again they're going
through a bunch of change.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
The market really likes Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Here.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
The market is a little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Undecided on the total, and the total is always intriguing.
Anytime you're playing at a neutral venue overseas, you have
a different pitch, right, as they call it. I kept
an eye on the under in this game last year.
It did end up going under between Navy and Notre
Dame the game that was overseas. So I always look
under early in the season. I always look towards the
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dog early in the season. And I absolutely think Florida
State it's not going to be as competitive of an
ACC as maybe we're used to. I think Miami and
Florida State frankly are the two best teams, and I
would expect to be I would expect the Knowles to
be at some point fighting for that conference title at
the end.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
You know, the ACC it's interesting, you know, they want
to be judged as equals with the others in the
Big three. Are definitely in the top two. Florida State
appears to be back, Miami hasn't to this point, and
Virginia Tech also another historic past as well as Clemson.
Clemson has the most continuity of any team in the country.
They have done nothing in the portal in comparison to
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everybody else in high major football. What are your thoughts
on Clemson's outlook with a very difficult schedule.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, really tough schedule. I mean about as tough as
it gets. You played Georgia in Atlanta in your first game.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
But then things ease up. But to be fair.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I think that app State game week too, is not
a cupcake either. And then you get the early buy.
You get tough road games at Florida State, at Wake Forest,
at Virginia Tech. No easy place to play, but the
rest of the schedule is very manageable. I mean, I
could absolutely see this Clemson team going ten and two
or eleven and one and that being their only loss
early in the year to Georgia.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
And it's a very different landscape.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
We usually think about, oh, if you lose a game
in Week one, you're done.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
Well, that's not the goal anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
The bar is lower you can Frankly, I think there's
a chance there's a chance a team like Clemson could
lose to Georgia, lose another game throughout the course of
the season, and still win the ACC and still get
into the playoffs. Sure, and that really changes the math.
When you could lose not only one, but maybe two
or even three games, I think there is going to
be at least man maybe not at least I think
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there's going to be one three lost team in the
playoff this year, which in prior years is unheard of.
I mean, you lose two games, forget it, you're cooked.
You lose three, and there's still going to be some
teams I think in the Big Ten and the SEC
that have a fighters chance. Obviously, with Clemson, it's all
about how the quarterback adapts. I do like Kate Klebnink.
I think he's a high achiever. I just don't know
if he's going to take that next step. Miami, Florida State,
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those are teams that have very accomplished quarterbacks, very accomplished backfields,
where I don't know if Clemson's on that level yet.
They don't quite have the talent like they used to because,
as you said, they haven't been as aggressive in the portal.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Okay, Ohio State went out and spent a ton of money.
I mean it's not just players, right, they got Chip Kelly,
but they name a quarterback who is kind of underwhelming,
comes over from Kansas State to be their starter. And
they're a team. I mean you look at even some
of the best, maybe not recently, maybe not as many
Ryan Day teams, but they're a team that you know
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when they're great. Sometimes they kind of scuffle offensively early
in the years, they kind of get it together. What's
your outlook for Ohio State this season.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I think, and this pains me as a Penn State guy,
but I think they're the best team in the Big
Ten and I think their players are now significantly better
than the rest of the conference. Michigan will take a
step back this year. I think Penn State's good. I
just don't trust the quarterback. I think Oregon is really
good and I think that's the one team that can
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give Ohio State problems. And that game in mid October
is going to be fascinating. When Ohio State goes to Eugene,
in fact, that probably will be one of the games
of the year in the Big Ten. Besides when Ohio
State plays, I actually think they're not not They do
go to Penn State this year, so I think those
are those are the two games to circle for Ohio
State this year at Oregon at Penn State. See the
(29:00):
game against Michigan's going to be big, but they get
that game at home, and again I think Michigan is
going to be down. So it's really about Can the quarterback.
And I've been a fan of Howard. I think he's
a really good dual threat quarterback. I just don't know
if he's able to again take that next step and
be relied upon to be the guy.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
Ohio States offense I think does have the elite weapons.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
They lost a little bit in the draft, as they
normally do, but they have guys reloading at every single position.
Everything I hear from Columbus is they are stacked and
loaded at every single position.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
The only question is can well Howard be elite.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
If he can, this team's going to be fantastic because
Jim Knowles, one of the most underrated defensive coordinators in
the country, is going to have that defense at a
very high level again. And it's all about can they
just win those two I mean, those are the two
games that you circle that that are trip up games.
And if they get past those there, even if they
drop the game to Michigan in the final week of
the year, they're still going to be in the playoff.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
What about USC in the in the new Big Ten.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Oh I think the LA teams are going to struggle.
I think both, especially UCLA, who's really behind in coaching
and just you know, weapons and talent. But I think
UCLA or USC, if they can get the defense going,
I know Bo Benson's listening right now. If they can
get the defense a little bit more. I guess average
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because they were so below average last year. It was
one of the worst defenses industry of college football for
a program on their level, if they can get the
defense playing at an average level, obviously, you know, we
saw the quarterback in the ball game last year. He
looked like he can at least handle the pressure, and
we know they have weapons. It's a different conference, so
we'll see how they mashed into the Big Ten. We'll
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see what the travels like for them this year. Again,
they're kind of on the worst end of it, having
to go across the country a bunch.
Speaker 8 (30:42):
But USC is used to it.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I think UCLA again, of the two LA teams coming
into the Big Ten, I do think you see label struggle.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
More Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I
think Oklahoma is one of the two or three most
interesting teams in the country because they've been so dominant
in the Big twelve, but now they go to the SEC,
kind of step up in weight class, another change at quarterback.
What are your thoughts on Oklahoma year one SEC.
Speaker 8 (31:13):
Yeah, they play a really tough schedule too.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Just in general, I think this Oklahoma team has the
biggest transition of all going to the SEC. They lost
their entire offensive line, they lost their all conference receiver Stoops,
they lost their obviously, their quarterback was now at Oregon.
Their offensive coordinator, Jeff Levy's now the head coach of
Mississippi State. They hired from within Seth Latrell. But Latrell
has been brutal. He was at North Texas for a
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bunch of years. He's going five in bowl games. He
call plays in the Alamo Bow at the end of
last season and Oklahoma got shut out in the fourth quarter.
So I just think Oklahoma going to the SEC. Unlike Texas,
which I think has been slowly adapting to the SEC
lifestyle over the last few years, I don't think Oklahoma
is there. And then you throw in that Sez gauntlet.
I mean, I do like Brent Venables, I like the defense.
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I don't know how he is managing a team, and
with the schedule makers not doing them really any favors,
they play six of the top eight teams in the SEC.
I mean, this ain't the Big twelve anymore. So I
think the gauntlet of the season, especially with Oklahoma's offensive
line being completely new and you've got to go up
against SEC defensive lineman every week. They're a team that
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might show you a couple things. They might win a
few low scoring games early in the year, but as
the season goes on and the gauntlet continues, I think
Oklahoma's going to struggle.
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Speaker 5 (32:43):
Doug.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
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At s Doug Gotlap Show, Fox Sports Radio. It's a thirdday.
Let's get to a game with Dan Byer.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Danny, what's the game today? Doug?
Speaker 4 (33:14):
The game today is.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
I feel a draft?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
All right?
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Today's topic good conversation baseball players past or present that
we just loved watch hitting at the plate. Just maybe
someone who would say, Okay, I can't leave for the
drink in the kitchen because they're coming up, or someone
to make you run into the living room to watch.
Maybe at a ball game, you're not going to go
and leave for a hot dog. Doug, you have the
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first overall pick. I am second, Jason is third, Sam
is number four and five, and then we reverse it
in the second round. Doug, you are on the clock
pick number one.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I know I'm an Angel fan, so I'll be called
a homer, and I know there'll be some joke made
about how many times he's been hurt. But I think
in the conversation of greatest position players ever is Mike Trout.
And if you've ever been to a game where Mike
Trout comes up to the plate, there's just a different energy. Yeah, well,
just a different energy, and I love watching the guy
(34:17):
hit a baseball. I'm gonna go with Mike Trout.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
I am gonna go.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
I think it's an obvious answer, even though we think
we know Barry Bonds in his heyday, no matter what
he was taking, I mean, it was because you're expecting
to see the home run. It's why I never want
to miss an end of half of a college basketball
because you may see a half court shot going to
give me Barry Bonds at number two, Barry Bonds.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
I feel like you made this game for me. Dan,
It's kind of a gift to me. You've seen me
maybe a little stressed out Realy. He said, I'm going
to do a game for Jason, and I appreciate that.
I don't know if you guys know this. I don't
know if our listeners do tweet me if you want.
I taught myself out of switch it, and I lettered
in baseball twice in southern California, so that's that's not
(35:03):
to be taken lightly. And there are two hitters I
modeled my swing after. I'll give one now and one
next round. William Neuschloer Clark, Will Clark maybe the prettiest
swing in the history of baseball.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
In the conversation at three, huh, all right, Sam, you
have back to back picks here.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
I am taking I grew up a Phillies fans. I'm
gonna take Ryan Howard. All right.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Wow, that's a deep poll, man. I did not expect that.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
One World Series champs and my second one. You know,
I got to see him in person once hit a
home run. Frank Thomas, the White Sox. All right, well
big hurts interesting.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
Oh shoot the second guy it was my guy, grown
up George Brett. George Brett, Hall of Famer, kannesassee royal.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
I'm gonna go completely off the board here. You ready
for this? Yes, Madison Bumgardner to watch a pitcher hit
and for a guy that could go yard. It may
not have been all the time, it may not have
been throughout his entire career, but there was a time where,
remember mad bum would actually pinch it because he was
a decent option for the Giants. So if the Giants
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were on and Madison Bumgardner was pitching and he was
due up, I would watch Madison Bumgarner.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Will Will Clark's on any in any conversation of prettiest swings,
So too is mine, and you guys are going to
all kick yourself.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Yep, I knew that was going.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah. I mean he was special, Yes, he was special.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Everyone's favorite player pretty much right around our age, darn near.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And that's the scame time.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
This is game time on the Doug gott Leap Show.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Thing about him, is you know. In comparison to Aaron Judge,
who some idiot Little League coach at the Little League
World Series called out because he was in the batters.
He was in the on deck circle and didn't hear
or didn't say anything to the New York kids yelling
his name is Ken Griffith Jr. Like, not sure he's
the greatest dude in the world. In comparison to the image,
whereas Aaron Judge is anyway coming up next to the
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