September 9, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug weighs in on the Lions' Sunday night win over the Rams and explains how the Lions have learned how to win. Doug is not going to judge the Tyreek Hill legal incident at face-value, and explains why. Doug welcomes former Pro-Bowl receiver and FSR host TJ Houshmandzadeh onto the show to talk about the NFL Weekend. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?".
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feel like as much as Jay Stewart I met and Chris,
I know you want to talk about the Lions because
you're a Lion fan. I mean, think about what we
have this weekend. Right, Notre Dame loses that home to
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Northern Illinois. That happened right after they beat They got
a big, big, big win last week against tex A
and m on the road, right, so that that actually happens.
I mean, I'd even say col beating Auburn is a
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gigantic win. Not not necessarily for everybody. But there was
some college football stuff that was like things I never
thought I would see Illinois rushing the field after beating Kansas.
I didn't know, what's the phrase that you hate? Chase
Dow I did not have that one on my bingo card,
not at all. There's also Jordan Love on Friday Night
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losing was inaccurate in the third quarter, Like third quarter
game was there to be won. He was inaccurate. Then
he gets hurt late in the game, late in a
close game. He gets hurt. It looks like a high
ankle sprain. His need did pop, but it did not
tear anything. He's out four to six weeks like that.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Happened.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That happened. I don't think we'll have a chance to
get to the fact that the Bears won in spite
of not because of the number one overall picking the draft.
Matter of fact, all the young quarterbacks generally look like
rookie quarterbacks. Were so used to them coming in and
looking good early and then maybe regressing towards me. None
of them look good, none of them. I'm sure Buyer
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is gonna try and get us into some uniform discussion,
which we should because Seattle won they with those uniforms.
Fair dan byers that, like, I have no problem. I've
also kind of come around on I don't actually like
those those powder blue and the yellow pants with the chargers.
I don't. I don't know what it is. It's just
it feels like too much color, too much.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I'll tell you what. The Lions look good in their uniforms,
but uh, it was only trumped by that overtime drive.
My goodness, oh man.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Now they've changed the Honolulu blue. That's a different shade
of blue than I'm used to. But I think here's
the thing about about the Lions. And I'll credit one
of the guys on my staff, Tyris Thomas Tyres, course
number eight pick of the draft. He was at my
house raving dinner. We like he's like, and I said,
I can't believe the Lions are on Sunday Night football
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first week and the season and it's where where everybody's
okay with it because they're actually good. And he said,
this is the first time in my life the Lions
have been good. And I was thinking to him, like,
there have been times in which, you know, they made
the playoffs a couple times. I know Stafford made the playoffs, whatever,
but nobody thought they were actually a good football team,
even when they had Barry Sanders. And I think all
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of us can attest to it. We were always like
Barry's great, but like they don't have much else. They
don't have much else. I'm trying to think, and Damikin
Sue is like the only defensive player I think I
can name from the Lions in the last twenty twenty
five years. And I know, Chris prefector you're a Detroit guy,
you can probably go about one hundred names deep. But
I'm telling you, nationally, like, if we go and think
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about it, how many big time defensive players they actually had.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
No I think in the history the only one besides
Sue that comes close is probably Darius Slay And at
this point he's kind of becoming a little bit known
more as an Eagles player, not just a Lions guy.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's crazy, though, right to follow U to follow football, Okay,
to follow football this long for forty years, and to
go like, yeah, I got like two guys and they're
both recent. Here's Dan Campbell. Here's Dan Campbell summing up
to win the.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
Ones say that that can just play basic football the
best man that you know, the blocking, the tackling, targeting, communication,
taking care of the football, being smart with it to
check down, it's they win.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's it. And I would conclude that the hardest part
of to teach a team, Hey, the hardest thing to
teach a team is how to win. And and again,
like we could even think about last year in the
NFC Championship game. They had a lead and I thought
Dan Campbell's decision making wasn't good and I can't necessarily
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pick it apart yesterday whereas I felt like the Rams
probably could have used more clock put themselves in a
better position. But whatever, it's a super competitive game. Dan
Campbell has taught them how to win, and he's taught
them how to win with his opening speech which everybody
made fun of, which was teaching them to never stop competing.
Because he never stopped competing. You're gonna win more of
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than most. Here's Campbell on how tough Matt Stafford is.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Stafford man, you know he It's almost like you don't
want to hit him because I think when he hit
him he plays better, and you know, he just he
just continued to make plays.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Here's Sean McBay on his aggressive mentality.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
We came in here with an aggressive mindset of mentality.
Didn't feel like you could settle for field goals. That's
why we came up short the last time, and then
ultimately a couple of those situations is inevitably what ended
up leading to us probably not finishing it out tonight.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, probably probably. I mean, look, Puka Aukua gets hurt,
you're on the road, the Lions are good. Probably could
have done a better job of managing time and score
and situation. And also, like not mentioned, this is their
first game in forever with Aaron Donald, so your defense
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is trying to figure out leadership and pecking order as
well as pass and run, block and run stopping. So
I don't think it was bad for the Rams, but
I do think the fact that the Lions won and
that there's no freak out, it doesn't feel like it
wasn't an upset. It was supposed to be. And like
all of that is the one eighty that's happened since
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Dan Campbell took over. And that's remarkable because there have
been so many quality coaches that have gotten opportunities and
no one's been able to do that where you don't
turn on the Lions game thinking something crazy bad is
going to happen, something that we're gonna laugh at, and
then it's not just to make them competitive, but make
them able to win those games. That's a huge step.
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have you guys seen the new buicks? Have you seen them? No?
There's like a new Buick little suv. It's nice. It's
really nice. And my dad had a Buick in the
late eighties. You got a Buick Regal unlimited. I always
thought it should have been limited, but apparently it was unlimited.
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And we all have in our mind what we think
of Buicks, but trying to convince us like, hey, that's
a viable options are really well made cars. Nice American
maid like, you know, you end up talking yourself out
of things. You're like, well, it's American maid like, not
realizing all of the foreign cars, their SUVs are made
in the States anyway, right, Mercedes, BMW, you know, Infinity,
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They're all made the States. Like sitting there going like, ah,
foreign made cars, Like, that's an American made car. But
to get to that point to where the brand recognition
is that of a positive is remarkable. Yes, Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
So what I think is interesting about the Lions is
part of their history and part of what Dan Campbell is.
And I don't want to put words in Chris Purfett's mouth,
but I feel if he says this, it sounds bias
and I'm more of a neutral party on this, but
they resemble who Dan Campbell is. But it's more than that.
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It's they resemble who Dan Campbell is when the rest
of the league is trying to throw the football all
around the yard and it makes the forty nine ers
difficult in trying to stop. And we'll find out if
they can continue that run tonight. But they are so
physical and it was pointed out many times last night
by collins Worth in Trico on the broadcast on how
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it's weak one these guys are gassed and Detroit just
in the end impose their will on the Rams by
just running the football down in that final drive. But
it's also an organization that I thought for a while
when you talk about those bad years, Doug, we're talking
about misses on first round picks. You know, it wasn't
too long ago they took you know, Jeff Akuda with
the first round pick, but we're talking about Charles Rogers.
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We're talking about drafting all these wide receivers. Now look
at what they've done. You know, Aiden Hutchinson hit, Jamiir
Gibbs sure feels like a hit. Who else am I missing?
Like they've Pine Sewel that's the biggest one of all
because when the Bengals took Jamar Chase. Everybody said, uh,
you know, the Bengals needed offensive lineman, but they ended
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up going with the wide receiver. And then Chase is
the awesome rookie season and the Bengals go to the
Super Bowl and it's like, see, this is why you
don't take an offensive lineman. But now Pane Sewel is
like the best offensive lineman in the National Football League,
at least the best young offensive lineman. So you talk
about that building of it, and they're just a team
that you don't necessarily want to play, and it's pretty
amazing because of how good they are, Like there's no
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fluke about this at all, and that's what makes the
Lions great.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Jase dou what was your level of interest in that
game Sunday Night Rams Lions.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
I was into it. I liked it a lot, had
some fantasy interest, and but no, I liked it a lot.
I think one thing that we kind of do need
to mention and I saw this tweeted up by Bernie Fratto,
Stafford's iron t in the end zone to end the
first half. I mean that that was huge. I think
McVeigh they had a three point lead with four minutes left.
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They didn't they didn't force the Lions to use any timeouts.
They threw the ball three times Karen Williams ran out
of bounds to stop the clock. As much as it
was a Lions victory, I think they were very much
helped out by mcveigh's aggression at the end of the
game and Stafford's decision at the end of that first
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half as well.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, Stafford to throw at the end of the first
half was awful. It really really was bad. And you
have to come away with points in that in that situation,
have to come away with points. I was really into
the game as well. I don't know if the Lions
are top of the league, but I do think that
Dan Campbell's style and the overall talent that they have,
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I think that's a clear playoff team. I don't know
if it's a super Bowl team.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
I just.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I don't know, but I think the fact that they've
flipped the league to believing in them is nothing short
of miraculous.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
What do you think they're missing?
Speaker 9 (12:39):
Then?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
If you don't think they're a super Bowl contender.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Well, I mean, listen, jameson Williams, I mean that catching
touchdown on the stop and go was amazing. I think
you know the narrative out of Detroit profet you could
speak to this is James Williams really immature, didn't have
a good year. There were thoughts that maybe he's a
bust if he can be anywhere near the talent he
was before the injury and a consistent one. I think
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that's the type of explosive playmaker they need, just explosive playmakers,
because my thing is I'm just not a golf guy.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
I think I think you got the preview of like
I know from camp all Ben Johnson, their offensive coordinator
who's been you know, picked for wanting to be a
head coach. All he talked about was Jamison Williams and
how they're gonna use him, and that was a preview
of it. Like last year we saw Jamison Williams on
some those deep routses you talked about. But they're using
Jamison Williams in every phase of the game now, in
these end to rounds and all this kind of stuff,
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and it's adding another value, especially as you're seeing teams
like a'm on ros Saint Brown was quiet in that
game because the Rams are just they know they have
to shut down Aman Ross Saint Brown, because that's who
Goff's going to. And instead the line showed like, no,
we've got they have Jamison Williams as well, and they've
got Sam Laporte as well. This is an offense with
a lot of different weapons. I didn't even think they
played that well. I think the Rams playing against them
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perfectly out of the gate. But Jamison Williams, if he
can put a couple more games together like this, I
don't think there's any question to him at this point.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
If, if, if he has that consistently in him, that
would change. Because I'm just I just don't. I don't
love golf. It's really what it kind of come down to,
you know. And I know that some of it is
when guys don't believe in you, you're not gonna believe
in yourself. But I had enough people with the Rams like, look,
he just wouldn't let the ball go, like wouldn't. I
wouldn't push it down the field, like just wouldn't. He's
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just too matt ryany and and I understand sometimes you
can you can be done with the guy when he's
not really done, But I just I got to see
it for a substantial amount of time and not the
not throwing interceptions thing. I need to see you take
a couple of chances through.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
You know, I think he's shown some of it. He's
shown some of it last year, but also too, Like
I understand La has a vision of golf, but from
the Michigan side, I've gone to a lot of different
events in Michigan, and every sporting events, fans are chanting
NonStop Jared Goff, Jared Golf at Michigan games, at Red
Wings games. I'm not talking about the fans, but this
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is just an energy and support getting that he's just
not doing.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Do we know more than Sean McVay. No, No, But
I also think that this guy's not good enough to
get back to another super Bowl. Now, you can make
the wrong decision as a coach. I totally get that.
But my point is, like, I don't care how fans feel.
I care about how the actual lion Ben Johnson in
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that room actually feels. Do they think they can dial
up some explosives and he'll take advantage of it?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Oh, Dan Campbell and Ben Johnson certainly have believed in
Jared Goff. They've been given plenty of chances to talk
against it, and they this is a Lion's organization that's
backs into the hilt. Like so, I guess this is
turning into a Sean McVay versus Dan Campbell. Who knows
more about Jared Goff. I think a quarterback can evolve.
I think they can change. I understand the relationship was
bad in LA with the Rams, but I think we
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need to stop holding Jared Goff to what happened in
Law Angeles that I don't know three years ago.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I don't think Doug is I think what Doug is
saying is like the interception last night that he threw
was in the fourth quarter, is just one of those
things that is tough to get out of your mind.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
And I think that's the that's the point of it.
And my only pushback on that would be is I
just think every team in the NFL has a wart somewhere,
and I'm not saying that Jared Goff is a wart,
but just we don't, you know, there's there's nothing dominant
about teams in the NFL like the Chiefs, for as
great as they are, needed, Isaiah Likely's toe to be
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out of bounds, you know, to win that Thursday night opener,
and we were raving about the Chiefs and how they
looked and they still needed a tow. But you're still
talking about two top teams in that conference playing. I
think that's what we got last night. You know, nobody's perfect,
but when it comes down to it, when the when
the lines need to win, that's what made me most
impressive is they got the ball with these overtime rules
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and just ran it down the rams throats. So and
that's so difficult to game plan against it. By the way,
it may be why they may be in a few
more closer games than maybe others. But I do think
that they have the offense that can't explode. But I
get it, I completely get it from your perspective. I
just think that there are other teams that also have
kind of those blemishes that are easier over.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I agree with you on the blemishes, and we're gonna
see the Niners tonight. I'm not convinced that brock Perty
is all that great, right they have more playmakers around him, maybe,
and you know, and maybe so that's why. But end
of the day, what told me back from saying that
Niner's gonna win Super Bowl is like again, we've seen
the Chiefs, a highly flawed team and even a quarterback
that can. I mean, Mahomes kind of did it the
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other night with that interception. But if your quarterback figures
it out and your quarterback's your best play, you're better
off than if it's an ensemble cast and your quarterback
can hold you back. So am I holding LA against him? Maybe?
But it's it's more that interception other things I've seen
my own perception of it. I just I just wonder
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if if Jared Gofflin that thing gets hot, if he's
going to which Jared Goff's going to be? I think
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t Jo's banzad up momentarily. So I mean, I don't
think anybody thinks it was normal or not weird to
have Tyreek Hill cuffed and face down on the pavement
outside of where the Dolphins play was at hard Rock Stadium.
And then Kalais Campbell got stuffed, got copped as well,
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And look, I think what happens is we all get
up on our high horse and we all, you know,
for whatever reason, this becomes some political issue where guys
go to their sides and echoes of Colin Kaepernick in
the past. And I mean, look, if you have body
can put it, it's gonna tell us all we need
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to know. And we still may not agree. But my
guess is it's somewhere in between. The cop was just
in a hole and Tyreek Hill was an a hole.
If you listen to the cops are like, look, he
didn't want to comply, then he would send the curb,
so we put him on face down and we cuffed him.
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Listen to Tyreek Hill, He's like, they just went crazy
on me. So I mean, I'm not an idiot like
we sit the and it's Tyreek Hill pulling into the
Dolphins game. This is not that hard, hey, Tyreek Amen,
slow it down, amen, keep it ony on the road,
and then stay off your phone. Not the pull over
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and get out of the car. Although Tyreek Hill wouldn't
put down the window all the way, but you can
see that in the video. They asked you to put
down your window. You don't crack your window. You put
it all the way down, And you can sit here
and go like, I'm Tyreek Hill, I'm not hiding anything.
But then why would you ever window just barely crack down?
You have tinted windows, which I don't care about, But
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why do they not want you to have tin of
windows so they can see what you're doing inside your car?
Because lots of people in their car keep a firearm
in their car. So this is not me defending the police.
It's defending the idea that if I'm a cop and
I pull somebody over and they're in a really nice
car and they don't want to put their window down
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and they don't want to comply with me, are they
hiding something? Now? Most of us can sit there and
go like, hey man, that's Tyreek Hill. Like may he's
hiring hiding a football. I don't know, but I would
just I would just say, just patients the truth to
come out. And I don't think putting the officer on
leave in any way indicts the officer. It looks bad
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right now to something they're not paying attention. But this
is an incident called the question. Easiest thing to do
is take him off the street, put him behind a desk.
You know, it happened to myrtog all the time, breaks
the murtog all the time when they were lead the weapon.
It's Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Let's welcome him in.
He's a former pro bowler, t jos Manzana joining us
and it's your team. So let's let's let's ask the
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first question. They killed me in my Survivor pool, what
they'll happen with the Bengals yesterday?
Speaker 9 (21:44):
Man, isn't it? Isn't it mat true? You know after
week one we overreact to everything, and I'm overreacting. I
I just don't understand. As bad as the Patriots looked
in the preseason, could barely get a first down, could
barely move the ball. We got one of the best
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quarterbacks in the league, one of the best receivers, a
better offensive line. We scored ten points. We scored ten
points against the Patriots, and they ran the ball believed,
like one hundred and seventy yards like it was shocking.
And then I had to do some research and I
was like, wait, what is Joe Burrow is like one
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in eight in the first two weeks of the season
to starter his career, and so I'm I'm hoping he's
just a slow starter and a strong finisher. But these
slow starts are killing us because now you're playing a
much better defense, a much better offense. In week two
against the Chiefs will be better, but it's gonna be
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a tough task.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's gonna be a really really tough task, really tough task,
you know. Sja. I was my boy Tyrs Thomas was
at my house. We're watching the game. We're like, can
you believe the Lions are actually good? But it does
feel like the Rams sort of gave one away with
the bad poor clock management late. What were your talughts
some Rams Lions?
Speaker 9 (23:12):
I felt like the Rams Lions games, it was back
and forth, really really really good game. I thought it
was like the Lions was just one of those teams man,
they were always at the bottom, they're always laughed at.
They're for real. The Sean McVay bro is a fantastic coach.
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They literally had the game right there in their hands.
Obviously it slipped away, but you got to give the
Lions credit, man. And overtime they said, you know, we're
gonna play bullyball. We're gonna play bullyball. We're gonna use
this high priced offensive line. And I believe it was
eight plays in overtime. Seven of them were run plays.
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They just will eat them. Run run, run, run, run, run, run, run, touchdown,
game over. And so when the Lions decide that's how
they want to play football, it's gonna be hard to
beat them because their best offensive weapon, i'm and Roe
Saint Brown didn't have much of an impact in that game.
And so if you're an opponent of the Lions moving forward,
it's like, whoa, i'monra didn't really get off and they
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won the game. Jamison Williams is looking like the Jamison
Williams they thought they were drafting out Obama. The lines
are going to be.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
For real, okay, Sit, I mean that had to be
your dream, though, Cooper Flag. They threw them Seey Cooper Cup,
they threw him twenty one times, twenty one targets. It's amazing.
That's like every wide receiver's dream. How many guys are
sitting there on their couch going like that could be me.
Speaker 9 (24:48):
Every receiver in the league is saying Cooper Cup is
lucky the Rams can. The Rams won't many win many
games if that's how they're going to approach it. When
one player is getting twenty one target, which is almost
fifty percent of your throws, your passing player, I just
don't see how that's sustainable. Obviously Pooka going out plays
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a role in that, but you have to be able
to get other guys involved. It's almost making it too
obvious that we know you want to get it to
Cooper Cup, but twenty one attempts. I don't know how
many guys get that in the career, and I guarantee
Cooper Cup has had that probably more than two or
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three four times. And so I think the Rams need
to try to get other guys involved. But Pooka going down,
I'm sure played a part in that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, no question about that one. What do we do
with Deshaun Watson, Doug.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
When when I first got on, I said, we have
a tendency to overreact. I'm officially overreacting to Deshaun Watson.
I think he's washing. I don't know if he can
still play at that level that we saw with the
Houston Texas. I'm into Shaun Watson's corner. I believe when
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you take those years off, those two years he didn't play,
it's hard to get back into it. Not from a
physical perspective, it's a mental perspective. It's a timing perspective.
It's getting your body and your eyes. I say this
all the time. It's getting your eyes used to the
speed of the game. That's the hardest thing to do
on your office, getting your eyes used to the speed
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of the game. And granted you have two offensive linemen
down you playing against one of the better pass rushing
teams in the league, Mike Zimmer, who has a point
to prove as a defensive coordinator. But man, it's just bad.
It's bad. It's like you can't there's no more excuses.
You know it. Now you should be settled in. Now,
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your body should be ready to go, and when you
should be an asset. He seems to be a liability
right now. I'll give to Shaun Watson. Honestly, I don't.
I said he's watched earlier. If I'm I'm a that's
just an overreaction statement. I'm gonna give to Shaun Watson
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five to six games. And if he's not the DeShawn
Watson that we saw in Houston, it's sober.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
He hasn't been to DeShawn Watson. We saw him. He'ston
in a long time. But we'll we'll, we'll definitely definitely
check it out. Okay, what's your reaction to the Dak
Prescott contract, which we were told he was going to
play out the year and then all of a sudden, Yeah,
I know he's gonna be the Cowboys for the next
couple of years.
Speaker 9 (27:40):
I wouldn't have done it if I'm the Cowboys. I'm
not giving Dak Prescott sixty million. I'm not doing it
under any circumstance. But we're here and he's received sixty million.
Shout out to uh Todd France and athletes first man,
they always seem away find a way to get it
done for that clients. Shout out to them. Now, Doug
(28:02):
Mike McCarthy is underrated. Bro Mike McCarthy is underrated as
a head coach and play caller. And I just realized
that Mike McCarthy is really good and people gloss over
it and they he's underappreciated because Aaron Rodgers and Aaron
(28:25):
Rodgers greatness and the way he just carved up that
Cleveland did. Jim Schwartz is one of the better defensive
coordinators in the league. Mike McCarthy and the Cowboys had
a perfect plan and carved him up, and so moving
like he's a top five coach. I don't know who
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comes out, but Mike McCarthy is a really good head
coach because nobody did that. Nobody does that to the
Cleveland Brown defense, not since Jim Schwartz has been there.
They may have a bad game here, they got carved up.
And so I'm gonna give Mike McCarthy a ton of
credit for the plan that he put together. But if
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I'm Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, I'm not giving Dak
Prescott sixty million. Dak Prescott is a really good quarterback,
but when you need him in the biggest of moments
in the playoffs, he hasn't been able to do it.
And so I know what I'm gonna get. I'm gonna
make him the highest paid player in the National Football
leagu get the history of the game by why margin.
(29:30):
I can't do that. I can't do that knowing what
I'm gonna get, or should I say, assuming what I'm
gonna get.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
TJ.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Just monsis our guest, two time Pro bowler of course,
longtime wide receiver with the CINCINNTI Bengals, and if a
analyst and the wide receiver guru for all these guys
in the offseason when they want to get better, they
come and see who Pittsburgh gets a road win? Is
it sustainable playing the way they're playing.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
How they've always played since Big Ben is retired, played good, defenseless,
just don't turn the ball over and give us a chance.
Six field goals won the game, Like it isn't sustainable
when you play, when you play a team that offensively
is going to put pressure on you, that isn't sustainable.
You're not gonna be able to do that. Kirk Cousins
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didn't have a great game through some interceptions and they
both were costly. It's like, wait, oh, well, Kirk, what
are we doing? And so I don't believe it's sustainable,
but that is how Mike Tomlin has played football since
Ben is retired. Let's play great defense, all their resources
on the defensive side of the ball. George Pickens and
(30:40):
Justin Fields made enough place. I felt like one of
the bigger plays in the game was just before halftime
when Justin rolled out to the left and through the
corner or whether you call it a high corner route
back to George Pickens and they were able to get
a field But I thought that was a huge play
in the game, considering they really didn't have have many
options but to get a chunk play and so you
(31:03):
know they had a lap. So I think the Falcons
defense they just I don't know what happened on that play,
but no, I don't. I don't believe it's sustainable, but
Mike Complin has never had to lose a season for
a reason. The interesting question will be when Russ is healthy,
what happens if they continue to win but it's not
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because of the offense. What happens do they stay with
Justin Fields or they go to Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
It's a great question. I don't know what the answers
that is, but I don't because I don't think Russell
Wilson is that much better. Can he get the ball
to guys? Yeah, but he holds a long time and
he doesn't have the dynamic of being an athlete anymore.
So we'll we'll see last last one. Who's do you
consider benching Bryce Young? It's only one game in, but
(31:54):
we do have all of last year.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
I can't match right, Like if you go back to
the days of Rickys, wouldn't they wouldn't play, they would sit.
He played as a Ricky got beat down physically more
importantly mentally Bright Shung And this is no disrespect. He's
not playing what top of the line receivers he isn't.
(32:23):
Jamar Chase doesn't practice all the training camp. T Higgins
doesn't play. Joe Brow is one of the best quarterbacks
in the league. Did he look at yesterday?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Nope?
Speaker 9 (32:31):
No, Like the quarterbacks matter a ton, but boy, I
tell you them, receivers that can create separation get open.
It don't matter who's gardener, they matter. Also, Shung doesn't
have that. He doesn't have that. Then obviously his play
has played a part in this. But I'm not benching
he no, because I want to see if you bench him,
(32:53):
the guy that you bring in is one Andy Dalk.
He's not your future. Can he do much better? Can
he get it to the playoff? Other answer is no,
So let's see what Bryce Sean can do. I think
for Bryce, his biggest thing is he has to stay
locked in mentally. What I mean by that is, Doug
when everything is going great, you coach, you a basketball
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coach man. When when you guys go on a fifteen
game win streak, everybody in that locker room is gonna
they're gonna feel like every game we play, we're gonna win.
When you go on a fifteen game Bluta Street not win.
If that was to take place, everybody's going to have doubt.
Bryce Seng has to erase that doubt because he has doubt.
(33:37):
Bryce Sean was a winner at every level of football
until now. I'm sure he has so much doubt that
it's probably messing with his mental He has to get
rid of that. But I'm not benching because I don't
know if I have anything better. And aside from that,
he doesn't have these top flight receivers that he's throwing
(33:57):
the ball to. And so who's going to do any
better that That would be my thinking as a coach.
Who is going to be better than Bryce Shawn And
the answer would be nobody.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
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Speaker 9 (34:25):
I appreciate it, Keep it the great work man.
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Speaker 3 (34:43):
This is game time Dana on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Dan Bayer, what's the game today? Doug?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
The game today is big deal, little deal, no deal?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That Caleb Williams
through for under one hundred yards and yesterday's went over
the Titans.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I think it was a big deal. I didn't think
he looked very good. I know they're young guys whatever.
Usually these coaches are able to draw some stuff for
these guys to get him go and get them rhythm.
They could not. Yeah, I just I thought it was
kind of a big deal number one overall pick. And
there was not a wild moment at all where you're like, oh,
you know, it was like that golf shot that makes
(35:24):
you come back for more.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Yes, they didn't exist, all right, A big deal, A
little deal of no deal that the Chargers and Raiders
got into a fight late in yesterday's game.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Like there were the fans, no, the the actual player. Kidding.
It's like the more I turn on social media and
see Raider Van and Charger Van fighting in the stands,
the more I'm like, yeah, that's that's about right. So right,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Then a little deal if yeah, if you're not sure,
I would say a little deal. I thought maybe it
brought back the rivalry a little bit, added some fice
to it. Now you got two coaches that are pretty
emotional with Harbaugh and Pierce Antonio. Pierce yesterday punted on
fourth and one from the Chargers I think what like
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forty three yard line, never.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
Got the ball back down.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Six Randon Staley rather unimpressive.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Yeah, and I mean they could have it, could have
that place. We've seen sixty yard field goals. Daniel Carlson's
leg is surely long enough you could have kicked a
field goal in that scenario. Yeah, they chose not to,
all right. Moving to the college game, Doug, big deal,
little deal or no deal that shad Or Sanders left
the field with two minutes left in the lost to Nebraska,
as his dad and head coach Dion Sanders said it
was because of a possible injury that they wanted to
(36:46):
check out and keep Shador safe. Is that a big deal,
little deal or no deal.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I think it's a big deal because I can tell
you what I think is coming. I think they shut
him down. At some point this year he gets at.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Shut them down, shut them shut him down.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I just that's my guess. Is that's what happens, is
they shut him down. They get to a point where
you're like, what are we doing? We have two guys
that are gonna be drafted highly and I don't know
when that date is. Colorado State. I don't think they're
beating Coloriada State. I don't think they're beating Central Florida
on the road Baylor at Holmes maybe, but if you
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lose to Colorado State, you lose the Central Florida and
then you lose to k State or Arizona. Like at
some point in times you're like, hey, let's let's shut
these guys down. They have quote unquote more to play for.
And what that does is one, they can't win any games.
Can't win any games. And the second part to it,
it says like, Okay, what is coach prime there for?
(37:50):
But I think that's what it lays the groundwork for.
He took a savage beating. Some was his own fault,
most was his offensive line, but he took a beating
from that game.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
And that's game time.
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feel like as much as Jay Stewart I met and Chris,
I know you want to talk about the Lions because
you're a Lion fan. I mean, think about what we
have this weekend. Right, Notre Dame loses that home to
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Northern Illinois. That happened right after they beat They got
a big, big, big win last week against tex A
and m on the road, right, so that that actually happens.
I mean, I'd even say col beating Auburn is a
(01:49):
gigantic win. Not not necessarily for everybody. But there was
some college football stuff that was like things I never
thought I would see Illinois rushing the field after beating Kansas.
I didn't know, what's the phrase that you hate? Chase
Dow I did not have that one on my bingo card,
not at all. There's also Jordan Love on Friday Night
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losing was inaccurate in the third quarter, Like third quarter
game was there to be won. He was inaccurate. Then
he gets hurt late in the game, late in a
close game. He gets hurt. It looks like a high
ankle sprain. His need did pop, but it did not
tear anything. He's out four to six weeks like that.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Happened.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That happened. I don't think we'll have a chance to
get to the fact that the Bears won in spite
of not because of the number one overall picking the draft.
Matter of fact, all the young quarterbacks generally look like
rookie quarterbacks. Were so used to them coming in and
looking good early and then maybe regressing towards me. None
of them look good, none of them. I'm sure Buyer
(02:55):
is gonna try and get us into some uniform discussion,
which we should because Seattle won they with those uniforms.
Fair dan byers that, like, I have no problem. I've
also kind of come around on I don't actually like
those those powder blue and the yellow pants with the chargers.
I don't. I don't know what it is. It's just
it feels like too much color, too much.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I'll tell you what. The Lions look good in their uniforms,
but uh, it was only trumped by that overtime drive.
My goodness, oh man.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Now they've changed the Honolulu blue. That's a different shade
of blue than I'm used to. But I think here's
the thing about about the Lions. And I'll credit one
of the guys on my staff, Tyris Thomas Tyres, course
number eight pick of the draft. He was at my
house raving dinner. We like he's like, and I said,
I can't believe the Lions are on Sunday Night football
(03:51):
first week and the season and it's where where everybody's
okay with it because they're actually good. And he said,
this is the first time in my life the Lions
have been good. And I was thinking to him, like,
there have been times in which, you know, they made
the playoffs a couple times. I know Stafford made the playoffs, whatever,
but nobody thought they were actually a good football team,
even when they had Barry Sanders. And I think all
(04:12):
of us can attest to it. We were always like
Barry's great, but like they don't have much else. They
don't have much else. I'm trying to think, and Damikin
Sue is like the only defensive player I think I
can name from the Lions in the last twenty twenty
five years. And I know, Chris prefector you're a Detroit guy,
you can probably go about one hundred names deep. But
I'm telling you, nationally, like, if we go and think
(04:35):
about it, how many big time defensive players they actually had.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
No I think in the history the only one besides
Sue that comes close is probably Darius Slay And at
this point he's kind of becoming a little bit known
more as an Eagles player, not just a Lions guy.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's crazy, though, right to follow U to follow football, Okay,
to follow football this long for forty years, and to
go like, yeah, I got like two guys and they're
both recent. Here's Dan Campbell. Here's Dan Campbell summing up
to win the.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
Ones say that that can just play basic football the
best man that you know, the blocking, the tackling, targeting, communication,
taking care of the football, being smart with it to
check down, it's they win.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's it. And I would conclude that the hardest part
of to teach a team, Hey, the hardest thing to
teach a team is how to win. And and again,
like we could even think about last year in the
NFC Championship game. They had a lead and I thought
Dan Campbell's decision making wasn't good and I can't necessarily
(05:47):
pick it apart yesterday whereas I felt like the Rams
probably could have used more clock put themselves in a
better position. But whatever, it's a super competitive game. Dan
Campbell has taught them how to win, and he's taught
them how to win with his opening speech which everybody
made fun of, which was teaching them to never stop competing.
Because he never stopped competing. You're gonna win more of
(06:07):
than most. Here's Campbell on how tough Matt Stafford is.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Stafford man, you know he It's almost like you don't
want to hit him because I think when he hit
him he plays better, and you know, he just he
just continued to make plays.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Here's Sean McBay on his aggressive mentality.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
We came in here with an aggressive mindset of mentality.
Didn't feel like you could settle for field goals. That's
why we came up short the last time, and then
ultimately a couple of those situations is inevitably what ended
up leading to us probably not finishing it out tonight.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, probably probably. I mean, look, Puka Aukua gets hurt,
you're on the road, the Lions are good. Probably could
have done a better job of managing time and score
and situation. And also, like not mentioned, this is their
first game in forever with Aaron Donald, so your defense
(07:02):
is trying to figure out leadership and pecking order as
well as pass and run, block and run stopping. So
I don't think it was bad for the Rams, but
I do think the fact that the Lions won and
that there's no freak out, it doesn't feel like it
wasn't an upset. It was supposed to be. And like
all of that is the one eighty that's happened since
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Dan Campbell took over. And that's remarkable because there have
been so many quality coaches that have gotten opportunities and
no one's been able to do that where you don't
turn on the Lions game thinking something crazy bad is
going to happen, something that we're gonna laugh at, and
then it's not just to make them competitive, but make
them able to win those games. That's a huge step.
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(08:11):
have you guys seen the new buicks? Have you seen them? No?
There's like a new Buick little suv. It's nice. It's
really nice. And my dad had a Buick in the
late eighties. You got a Buick Regal unlimited. I always
thought it should have been limited, but apparently it was unlimited.
(08:31):
And we all have in our mind what we think
of Buicks, but trying to convince us like, hey, that's
a viable options are really well made cars. Nice American
maid like, you know, you end up talking yourself out
of things. You're like, well, it's American maid like, not
realizing all of the foreign cars, their SUVs are made
in the States anyway, right, Mercedes, BMW, you know, Infinity,
(08:55):
They're all made the States. Like sitting there going like, ah,
foreign made cars, Like, that's an American made car. But
to get to that point to where the brand recognition
is that of a positive is remarkable. Yes, Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
So what I think is interesting about the Lions is
part of their history and part of what Dan Campbell is.
And I don't want to put words in Chris Purfett's mouth,
but I feel if he says this, it sounds bias
and I'm more of a neutral party on this, but
they resemble who Dan Campbell is. But it's more than that.
(09:30):
It's they resemble who Dan Campbell is when the rest
of the league is trying to throw the football all
around the yard and it makes the forty nine ers
difficult in trying to stop. And we'll find out if
they can continue that run tonight. But they are so
physical and it was pointed out many times last night
by collins Worth in Trico on the broadcast on how
(09:52):
it's weak one these guys are gassed and Detroit just
in the end impose their will on the Rams by
just running the football down in that final drive. But
it's also an organization that I thought for a while
when you talk about those bad years, Doug, we're talking
about misses on first round picks. You know, it wasn't
too long ago they took you know, Jeff Akuda with
the first round pick, but we're talking about Charles Rogers.
(10:15):
We're talking about drafting all these wide receivers. Now look
at what they've done. You know, Aiden Hutchinson hit, Jamiir
Gibbs sure feels like a hit. Who else am I missing?
Like they've Pine Sewel that's the biggest one of all
because when the Bengals took Jamar Chase. Everybody said, uh,
you know, the Bengals needed offensive lineman, but they ended
(10:37):
up going with the wide receiver. And then Chase is
the awesome rookie season and the Bengals go to the
Super Bowl and it's like, see, this is why you
don't take an offensive lineman. But now Pane Sewel is
like the best offensive lineman in the National Football League,
at least the best young offensive lineman. So you talk
about that building of it, and they're just a team
that you don't necessarily want to play, and it's pretty
amazing because of how good they are, Like there's no
(10:58):
fluke about this at all, and that's what makes the
Lions great.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Jase dou what was your level of interest in that
game Sunday Night Rams Lions.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
I was into it. I liked it a lot, had
some fantasy interest, and but no, I liked it a lot.
I think one thing that we kind of do need
to mention and I saw this tweeted up by Bernie Fratto,
Stafford's iron t in the end zone to end the
first half. I mean that that was huge. I think
McVeigh they had a three point lead with four minutes left.
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They didn't they didn't force the Lions to use any timeouts.
They threw the ball three times Karen Williams ran out
of bounds to stop the clock. As much as it
was a Lions victory, I think they were very much
helped out by mcveigh's aggression at the end of the
game and Stafford's decision at the end of that first
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half as well.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, Stafford to throw at the end of the first
half was awful. It really really was bad. And you
have to come away with points in that in that situation,
have to come away with points. I was really into
the game as well. I don't know if the Lions
are top of the league, but I do think that
Dan Campbell's style and the overall talent that they have,
(12:20):
I think that's a clear playoff team. I don't know
if it's a super Bowl team.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
I just.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I don't know, but I think the fact that they've
flipped the league to believing in them is nothing short
of miraculous.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
What do you think they're missing?
Speaker 9 (12:39):
Then?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
If you don't think they're a super Bowl contender.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Well, I mean, listen, jameson Williams, I mean that catching
touchdown on the stop and go was amazing. I think
you know the narrative out of Detroit profet you could
speak to this is James Williams really immature, didn't have
a good year. There were thoughts that maybe he's a
bust if he can be anywhere near the talent he
was before the injury and a consistent one. I think
(13:04):
that's the type of explosive playmaker they need, just explosive playmakers,
because my thing is I'm just not a golf guy.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
I think I think you got the preview of like
I know from camp all Ben Johnson, their offensive coordinator
who's been you know, picked for wanting to be a
head coach. All he talked about was Jamison Williams and
how they're gonna use him, and that was a preview
of it. Like last year we saw Jamison Williams on
some those deep routses you talked about. But they're using
Jamison Williams in every phase of the game now, in
these end to rounds and all this kind of stuff,
(13:31):
and it's adding another value, especially as you're seeing teams
like a'm on ros Saint Brown was quiet in that
game because the Rams are just they know they have
to shut down Aman Ross Saint Brown, because that's who
Goff's going to. And instead the line showed like, no,
we've got they have Jamison Williams as well, and they've
got Sam Laporte as well. This is an offense with
a lot of different weapons. I didn't even think they
played that well. I think the Rams playing against them
(13:53):
perfectly out of the gate. But Jamison Williams, if he
can put a couple more games together like this, I
don't think there's any question to him at this point.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
If, if, if he has that consistently in him, that
would change. Because I'm just I just don't. I don't
love golf. It's really what it kind of come down to,
you know. And I know that some of it is
when guys don't believe in you, you're not gonna believe
in yourself. But I had enough people with the Rams like, look,
he just wouldn't let the ball go, like wouldn't. I
wouldn't push it down the field, like just wouldn't. He's
(14:27):
just too matt ryany and and I understand sometimes you
can you can be done with the guy when he's
not really done, But I just I got to see
it for a substantial amount of time and not the
not throwing interceptions thing. I need to see you take
a couple of chances through.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
You know, I think he's shown some of it. He's
shown some of it last year, but also too, Like
I understand La has a vision of golf, but from
the Michigan side, I've gone to a lot of different
events in Michigan, and every sporting events, fans are chanting
NonStop Jared Goff, Jared Golf at Michigan games, at Red
Wings games. I'm not talking about the fans, but this
(15:04):
is just an energy and support getting that he's just
not doing.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Do we know more than Sean McVay. No, No, But
I also think that this guy's not good enough to
get back to another super Bowl. Now, you can make
the wrong decision as a coach. I totally get that.
But my point is, like, I don't care how fans feel.
I care about how the actual lion Ben Johnson in
(15:29):
that room actually feels. Do they think they can dial
up some explosives and he'll take advantage of it?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Oh, Dan Campbell and Ben Johnson certainly have believed in
Jared Goff. They've been given plenty of chances to talk
against it, and they this is a Lion's organization that's
backs into the hilt. Like so, I guess this is
turning into a Sean McVay versus Dan Campbell. Who knows
more about Jared Goff. I think a quarterback can evolve.
I think they can change. I understand the relationship was
bad in LA with the Rams, but I think we
(15:57):
need to stop holding Jared Goff to what happened in
Law Angeles that I don't know three years ago.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I don't think Doug is I think what Doug is
saying is like the interception last night that he threw
was in the fourth quarter, is just one of those
things that is tough to get out of your mind.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
And I think that's the that's the point of it.
And my only pushback on that would be is I
just think every team in the NFL has a wart somewhere,
and I'm not saying that Jared Goff is a wart,
but just we don't, you know, there's there's nothing dominant
about teams in the NFL like the Chiefs, for as
great as they are, needed, Isaiah Likely's toe to be
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out of bounds, you know, to win that Thursday night opener,
and we were raving about the Chiefs and how they
looked and they still needed a tow. But you're still
talking about two top teams in that conference playing. I
think that's what we got last night. You know, nobody's perfect,
but when it comes down to it, when the when
the lines need to win, that's what made me most
impressive is they got the ball with these overtime rules
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and just ran it down the rams throats. So and
that's so difficult to game plan against it. By the way,
it may be why they may be in a few
more closer games than maybe others. But I do think
that they have the offense that can't explode. But I
get it, I completely get it from your perspective. I
just think that there are other teams that also have
kind of those blemishes that are easier over.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I agree with you on the blemishes, and we're gonna
see the Niners tonight. I'm not convinced that brock Perty
is all that great, right they have more playmakers around him, maybe,
and you know, and maybe so that's why. But end
of the day, what told me back from saying that
Niner's gonna win Super Bowl is like again, we've seen
the Chiefs, a highly flawed team and even a quarterback
that can. I mean, Mahomes kind of did it the
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other night with that interception. But if your quarterback figures
it out and your quarterback's your best play, you're better
off than if it's an ensemble cast and your quarterback
can hold you back. So am I holding LA against him? Maybe?
But it's it's more that interception other things I've seen
my own perception of it. I just I just wonder
(18:01):
if if Jared Gofflin that thing gets hot, if he's
going to which Jared Goff's going to be? I think
we got to get to the story up coming next.
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t Jo's banzad up momentarily. So I mean, I don't
think anybody thinks it was normal or not weird to
have Tyreek Hill cuffed and face down on the pavement
outside of where the Dolphins play was at hard Rock Stadium.
And then Kalais Campbell got stuffed, got copped as well,
(19:08):
And look, I think what happens is we all get
up on our high horse and we all, you know,
for whatever reason, this becomes some political issue where guys
go to their sides and echoes of Colin Kaepernick in
the past. And I mean, look, if you have body
can put it, it's gonna tell us all we need
(19:30):
to know. And we still may not agree. But my
guess is it's somewhere in between. The cop was just
in a hole and Tyreek Hill was an a hole.
If you listen to the cops are like, look, he
didn't want to comply, then he would send the curb,
so we put him on face down and we cuffed him.
(19:50):
Listen to Tyreek Hill, He's like, they just went crazy
on me. So I mean, I'm not an idiot like
we sit the and it's Tyreek Hill pulling into the
Dolphins game. This is not that hard, hey, Tyreek Amen,
slow it down, amen, keep it ony on the road,
and then stay off your phone. Not the pull over
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and get out of the car. Although Tyreek Hill wouldn't
put down the window all the way, but you can
see that in the video. They asked you to put
down your window. You don't crack your window. You put
it all the way down, And you can sit here
and go like, I'm Tyreek Hill, I'm not hiding anything.
But then why would you ever window just barely crack down?
You have tinted windows, which I don't care about, But
(20:33):
why do they not want you to have tin of
windows so they can see what you're doing inside your car?
Because lots of people in their car keep a firearm
in their car. So this is not me defending the police.
It's defending the idea that if I'm a cop and
I pull somebody over and they're in a really nice
car and they don't want to put their window down
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and they don't want to comply with me, are they
hiding something? Now? Most of us can sit there and
go like, hey man, that's Tyreek Hill. Like may he's
hiring hiding a football. I don't know, but I would
just I would just say, just patients the truth to
come out. And I don't think putting the officer on
leave in any way indicts the officer. It looks bad
(21:16):
right now to something they're not paying attention. But this
is an incident called the question. Easiest thing to do
is take him off the street, put him behind a desk.
You know, it happened to myrtog all the time, breaks
the murtog all the time when they were lead the weapon.
It's Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Let's welcome him in.
He's a former pro bowler, t jos Manzana joining us
and it's your team. So let's let's let's ask the
(21:37):
first question. They killed me in my Survivor pool, what
they'll happen with the Bengals yesterday?
Speaker 9 (21:44):
Man, isn't it? Isn't it mat true? You know after
week one we overreact to everything, and I'm overreacting. I
I just don't understand. As bad as the Patriots looked
in the preseason, could barely get a first down, could
barely move the ball. We got one of the best
(22:05):
quarterbacks in the league, one of the best receivers, a
better offensive line. We scored ten points. We scored ten
points against the Patriots, and they ran the ball believed,
like one hundred and seventy yards like it was shocking.
And then I had to do some research and I
was like, wait, what is Joe Burrow is like one
(22:27):
in eight in the first two weeks of the season
to starter his career, and so I'm I'm hoping he's
just a slow starter and a strong finisher. But these
slow starts are killing us because now you're playing a
much better defense, a much better offense. In week two
against the Chiefs will be better, but it's gonna be
(22:49):
a tough task.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's gonna be a really really tough task, really tough task,
you know. Sja. I was my boy Tyrs Thomas was
at my house. We're watching the game. We're like, can
you believe the Lions are actually good? But it does
feel like the Rams sort of gave one away with
the bad poor clock management late. What were your talughts
some Rams Lions?
Speaker 9 (23:12):
I felt like the Rams Lions games, it was back
and forth, really really really good game. I thought it
was like the Lions was just one of those teams man,
they were always at the bottom, they're always laughed at.
They're for real. The Sean McVay bro is a fantastic coach.
(23:38):
They literally had the game right there in their hands.
Obviously it slipped away, but you got to give the
Lions credit, man. And overtime they said, you know, we're
gonna play bullyball. We're gonna play bullyball. We're gonna use
this high priced offensive line. And I believe it was
eight plays in overtime. Seven of them were run plays.
(23:59):
They just will eat them. Run run, run, run, run, run, run, run, touchdown,
game over. And so when the Lions decide that's how
they want to play football, it's gonna be hard to
beat them because their best offensive weapon, i'm and Roe
Saint Brown didn't have much of an impact in that game.
And so if you're an opponent of the Lions moving forward,
it's like, whoa, i'monra didn't really get off and they
(24:23):
won the game. Jamison Williams is looking like the Jamison
Williams they thought they were drafting out Obama. The lines
are going to be.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
For real, okay, Sit, I mean that had to be
your dream, though, Cooper Flag. They threw them Seey Cooper Cup,
they threw him twenty one times, twenty one targets. It's amazing.
That's like every wide receiver's dream. How many guys are
sitting there on their couch going like that could be me.
Speaker 9 (24:48):
Every receiver in the league is saying Cooper Cup is
lucky the Rams can. The Rams won't many win many
games if that's how they're going to approach it. When
one player is getting twenty one target, which is almost
fifty percent of your throws, your passing player, I just
don't see how that's sustainable. Obviously Pooka going out plays
(25:09):
a role in that, but you have to be able
to get other guys involved. It's almost making it too
obvious that we know you want to get it to
Cooper Cup, but twenty one attempts. I don't know how
many guys get that in the career, and I guarantee
Cooper Cup has had that probably more than two or
(25:29):
three four times. And so I think the Rams need
to try to get other guys involved. But Pooka going down,
I'm sure played a part in that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, no question about that one. What do we do
with Deshaun Watson, Doug.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
When when I first got on, I said, we have
a tendency to overreact. I'm officially overreacting to Deshaun Watson.
I think he's washing. I don't know if he can
still play at that level that we saw with the
Houston Texas. I'm into Shaun Watson's corner. I believe when
(26:09):
you take those years off, those two years he didn't play,
it's hard to get back into it. Not from a
physical perspective, it's a mental perspective. It's a timing perspective.
It's getting your body and your eyes. I say this
all the time. It's getting your eyes used to the
speed of the game. That's the hardest thing to do
on your office, getting your eyes used to the speed
(26:30):
of the game. And granted you have two offensive linemen
down you playing against one of the better pass rushing
teams in the league, Mike Zimmer, who has a point
to prove as a defensive coordinator. But man, it's just bad.
It's bad. It's like you can't there's no more excuses.
You know it. Now you should be settled in. Now,
(26:53):
your body should be ready to go, and when you
should be an asset. He seems to be a liability
right now. I'll give to Shaun Watson. Honestly, I don't.
I said he's watched earlier. If I'm I'm a that's
just an overreaction statement. I'm gonna give to Shaun Watson
(27:13):
five to six games. And if he's not the DeShawn
Watson that we saw in Houston, it's sober.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
He hasn't been to DeShawn Watson. We saw him. He'ston
in a long time. But we'll we'll, we'll definitely definitely
check it out. Okay, what's your reaction to the Dak
Prescott contract, which we were told he was going to
play out the year and then all of a sudden, Yeah,
I know he's gonna be the Cowboys for the next
couple of years.
Speaker 9 (27:40):
I wouldn't have done it if I'm the Cowboys. I'm
not giving Dak Prescott sixty million. I'm not doing it
under any circumstance. But we're here and he's received sixty million.
Shout out to uh Todd France and athletes first man,
they always seem away find a way to get it
done for that clients. Shout out to them. Now, Doug
(28:02):
Mike McCarthy is underrated. Bro Mike McCarthy is underrated as
a head coach and play caller. And I just realized
that Mike McCarthy is really good and people gloss over
it and they he's underappreciated because Aaron Rodgers and Aaron
(28:25):
Rodgers greatness and the way he just carved up that
Cleveland did. Jim Schwartz is one of the better defensive
coordinators in the league. Mike McCarthy and the Cowboys had
a perfect plan and carved him up, and so moving
like he's a top five coach. I don't know who
(28:46):
comes out, but Mike McCarthy is a really good head
coach because nobody did that. Nobody does that to the
Cleveland Brown defense, not since Jim Schwartz has been there.
They may have a bad game here, they got carved up.
And so I'm gonna give Mike McCarthy a ton of
credit for the plan that he put together. But if
(29:07):
I'm Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, I'm not giving Dak
Prescott sixty million. Dak Prescott is a really good quarterback,
but when you need him in the biggest of moments
in the playoffs, he hasn't been able to do it.
And so I know what I'm gonna get. I'm gonna
make him the highest paid player in the National Football
leagu get the history of the game by why margin.
(29:30):
I can't do that. I can't do that knowing what
I'm gonna get, or should I say, assuming what I'm
gonna get.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
TJ.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Just monsis our guest, two time Pro bowler of course,
longtime wide receiver with the CINCINNTI Bengals, and if a
analyst and the wide receiver guru for all these guys
in the offseason when they want to get better, they
come and see who Pittsburgh gets a road win? Is
it sustainable playing the way they're playing.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
How they've always played since Big Ben is retired, played good, defenseless,
just don't turn the ball over and give us a chance.
Six field goals won the game, Like it isn't sustainable
when you play, when you play a team that offensively
is going to put pressure on you, that isn't sustainable.
You're not gonna be able to do that. Kirk Cousins
(30:20):
didn't have a great game through some interceptions and they
both were costly. It's like, wait, oh, well, Kirk, what
are we doing? And so I don't believe it's sustainable,
but that is how Mike Tomlin has played football since
Ben is retired. Let's play great defense, all their resources
on the defensive side of the ball. George Pickens and
(30:40):
Justin Fields made enough place. I felt like one of
the bigger plays in the game was just before halftime
when Justin rolled out to the left and through the
corner or whether you call it a high corner route
back to George Pickens and they were able to get
a field But I thought that was a huge play
in the game, considering they really didn't have have many
options but to get a chunk play and so you
(31:03):
know they had a lap. So I think the Falcons
defense they just I don't know what happened on that play,
but no, I don't. I don't believe it's sustainable, but
Mike Complin has never had to lose a season for
a reason. The interesting question will be when Russ is healthy,
what happens if they continue to win but it's not
(31:25):
because of the offense. What happens do they stay with
Justin Fields or they go to Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
It's a great question. I don't know what the answers
that is, but I don't because I don't think Russell
Wilson is that much better. Can he get the ball
to guys? Yeah, but he holds a long time and
he doesn't have the dynamic of being an athlete anymore.
So we'll we'll see last last one. Who's do you
consider benching Bryce Young? It's only one game in, but
(31:54):
we do have all of last year.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
I can't match right, Like if you go back to
the days of Rickys, wouldn't they wouldn't play, they would sit.
He played as a Ricky got beat down physically more
importantly mentally Bright Shung And this is no disrespect. He's
not playing what top of the line receivers he isn't.
(32:23):
Jamar Chase doesn't practice all the training camp. T Higgins
doesn't play. Joe Brow is one of the best quarterbacks
in the league. Did he look at yesterday?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Nope?
Speaker 9 (32:31):
No, Like the quarterbacks matter a ton, but boy, I
tell you them, receivers that can create separation get open.
It don't matter who's gardener, they matter. Also, Shung doesn't
have that. He doesn't have that. Then obviously his play
has played a part in this. But I'm not benching
he no, because I want to see if you bench him,
(32:53):
the guy that you bring in is one Andy Dalk.
He's not your future. Can he do much better? Can
he get it to the playoff? Other answer is no,
So let's see what Bryce Sean can do. I think
for Bryce, his biggest thing is he has to stay
locked in mentally. What I mean by that is, Doug
when everything is going great, you coach, you a basketball
(33:16):
coach man. When when you guys go on a fifteen
game win streak, everybody in that locker room is gonna
they're gonna feel like every game we play, we're gonna win.
When you go on a fifteen game Bluta Street not win.
If that was to take place, everybody's going to have doubt.
Bryce Seng has to erase that doubt because he has doubt.
(33:37):
Bryce Sean was a winner at every level of football
until now. I'm sure he has so much doubt that
it's probably messing with his mental He has to get
rid of that. But I'm not benching because I don't
know if I have anything better. And aside from that,
he doesn't have these top flight receivers that he's throwing
(33:57):
the ball to. And so who's going to do any
better that That would be my thinking as a coach.
Who is going to be better than Bryce Shawn And
the answer would be nobody.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
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Speaker 9 (34:25):
I appreciate it, Keep it the great work man.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
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Speaker 2 (34:35):
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we turn the show over to Dan Byer. Play a
little game, Denny.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
This is game time Dana on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Dan Bayer, what's the game today? Doug?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
The game today is big deal, little deal, no deal?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That Caleb Williams
through for under one hundred yards and yesterday's went over
the Titans.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I think it was a big deal. I didn't think
he looked very good. I know they're young guys whatever.
Usually these coaches are able to draw some stuff for
these guys to get him go and get them rhythm.
They could not. Yeah, I just I thought it was
kind of a big deal number one overall pick. And
there was not a wild moment at all where you're like, oh,
you know, it was like that golf shot that makes
(35:24):
you come back for more.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Yes, they didn't exist, all right, A big deal, A
little deal of no deal that the Chargers and Raiders
got into a fight late in yesterday's game.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Like there were the fans, no, the the actual player. Kidding.
It's like the more I turn on social media and
see Raider Van and Charger Van fighting in the stands,
the more I'm like, yeah, that's that's about right. So right,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Then a little deal if yeah, if you're not sure,
I would say a little deal. I thought maybe it
brought back the rivalry a little bit, added some fice
to it. Now you got two coaches that are pretty
emotional with Harbaugh and Pierce Antonio. Pierce yesterday punted on
fourth and one from the Chargers I think what like
(36:13):
forty three yard line, never.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
Got the ball back down.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Six Randon Staley rather unimpressive.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Yeah, and I mean they could have it, could have
that place. We've seen sixty yard field goals. Daniel Carlson's
leg is surely long enough you could have kicked a
field goal in that scenario. Yeah, they chose not to,
all right. Moving to the college game, Doug, big deal,
little deal or no deal that shad Or Sanders left
the field with two minutes left in the lost to Nebraska,
as his dad and head coach Dion Sanders said it
was because of a possible injury that they wanted to
(36:46):
check out and keep Shador safe. Is that a big deal,
little deal or no deal.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I think it's a big deal because I can tell
you what I think is coming. I think they shut
him down. At some point this year he gets at.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Shut them down, shut them shut him down.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I just that's my guess. Is that's what happens, is
they shut him down. They get to a point where
you're like, what are we doing? We have two guys
that are gonna be drafted highly and I don't know
when that date is. Colorado State. I don't think they're
beating Coloriada State. I don't think they're beating Central Florida
on the road Baylor at Holmes maybe, but if you
(37:28):
lose to Colorado State, you lose the Central Florida and
then you lose to k State or Arizona. Like at
some point in times you're like, hey, let's let's shut
these guys down. They have quote unquote more to play for.
And what that does is one, they can't win any games.
Can't win any games. And the second part to it,
it says like, Okay, what is coach prime there for?
(37:50):
But I think that's what it lays the groundwork for.
He took a savage beating. Some was his own fault,
most was his offensive line, but he took a beating
from that game.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
And that's game time.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Game. This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
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