September 10, 2024 • 46 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug opens by talking about the released bodycam footage of the incident with Dolphins' star Tyreek Hill from Sunday and explains how the footage shows that the police officers seemed to be doing what they are trained to do.
Doug explains why he is willing to give the Jets and Aaron Rodgers a pass for now after their week one loss.
Doug welcomes NFL analyst and prolific podcaster John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about Tyreek, the Jets and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
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This is the Doug Gottlieb Show, and we have a
ton to get to. Let me introduce the crew, if
you will. That's the one and only Jason Stewart a
STU as he's known, and of course you have Dan
Byer will be part of the is a huge part
of the show, and of course you're hear him with
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the updates then Chris Burfett on the Ones and two. First,
I just want to check and make sure you guys
have all seen you guys have all seen the video
of Tyreek Hill being cuffed and stuffed on Sunday. Correct.
When I see the video, I'm not saying the normal video.
I'm saying the bodycam footage that was released last night.
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Have you guys all seen that?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yep? Yes, several body comps by.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
The way, or yeah, multiple ones multiple different times as well.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, yeah. I guess what I'll do is I'll give
my opinion first, okay. And the problem with giving your
opinion first when it's your show is sometimes on some
shows guys are scared to give their own opinion. Okay,
our guys are not. You know, my opinion often differs
with either with Jay stew or with Dan Byer, and
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so I respect it. So please please don't think that
me in my opinion, should stop you from having your opinion.
The first thing is it's really easy for lots of
shows like mine to avoid this topic. It just is,
you know, do the update, do the thing, whatever, I
just don't want to. I think that's just so soft
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because I think it's one of those things where both
things can be true. Okay, it can be true that historically,
historically black men can feel like they're treated poorly by police,
and yet this is not an example of that. Right,
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it can also be both be true that police are
on a power trip. This might not be a great
example of that. So I'll just tell you what I've
seen from the video. And I have friends that are
police officers. I have friends that despise police officers. I've
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personally felt like, not necessarily violated, but I felt like
there's been cops who have been over the top, and
I've had cops treat me with incredible kindness. Not knowing.
Was my first week on the job at Green Bay
as a head coach. I couldn't sleep. In the middle
of the night, I got up, I drove. I was
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staying at a hotel with the Legacy Hotel, which brand
new hotel looks over lambeau Field. I got my car
and I took a left and like Midwest small town America,
there's only gas stations open at like midnight, one in
the morning, whatever time it was and I just wanted
to snack, and so I went into like a quick
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trip or whatever and got I got a liquid death
and a coffee. No, I didn't get a coffee. I
was trying to I was trying to go to sleep.
I got a liquid death and I got like a
power bar or something and maybe some sunflower seeds. And
I got my car and I took a wrong turn again,
like it was I think six day in town. I
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took a wrong turn, so I went to light. I
flipped a Yuie, came back and got lit up and
they're like what do you? And I got pulled over
and there's three cop cars like what are you making
a U turn for? It's like, well, my hotel's that way.
And I didn't have any idea with me nothing cause
I just it was middle of the night. I went
down and I had my phone, so I did Apple
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ID a Apple Pay in order to pay for it.
They asked me, you know, is there marijuana in the car.
I was like, not that I'm aware of. There was
a rental car. I just got it yesterday. Yanked rental
car paperwork. When you're Emerald, I don't have any rento
card paperwork. Right. So they're like trying to check all
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this stuff out that I didn't have. I'm sitting on
the curb. I was incredibly courteous. They had no idea
who I was, not that it matters. They want to
make sure I didn't fit the I fit the description
of a suspect. They actually patted me down, they searched
through my whole car, they brought out the dogs. There's
nothing there, and they let me go. It wasn't comfortable,
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and I felt like there's one cop that does a
little bit over the top, but like on some level,
I guess I get it. I don't know. Here's what
I saw. Apparently Tyreek Hill was speeding. There have been
reports that's in excess of fifty miles an hour over
the speed limit. I don't know if that's true, but
if you look at the bodycam footage, there's six motorcycles
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I believe behind him. Either it was just rare happenstance
that there were five motorcycles and a cop pulling him over.
Five motorcycles already parked there in a cop them over
or him for a bit, and then when they walk
up to his window. We've all been in this situation before. Right,
no one's happy about being pulled over, especially when they're
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running late, which is probably why tyreek Hill was speeding.
One he probably drives fast and doesn't care. And two
he'd probably run a little bit late. So he puts
down the window, and when the police officer asks for
ask him to keep the says, why are you banging
on my window? Like why do you think to get
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the window down? Here's where I have actual empathy for
police officers. When that window, which is tinted, gets rolled
back up, you can't see in And why would you
roll back up your window unless you're hiding something. And
while I don't know if you carry, I don't carry,
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But if you're a police officer, you know that you
have to assume every person you pull over is carrying
a little of weapon. So you pull up to a
car it's got tinted windows, he won't war up. He
rolled up the window after he can you his ID.
He's already non compliant and just being abrasive to be abrasive,
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and then he rolls up his window like you don't
have to know who it is. Would I like to
think that you walk up to the window and me
being a football fans like, Tyreek Hill, what are you doing, man?
Why are you speeding making us pull you over on
a Sunday. We're getting ready to cheer for you for
the Dolphins. But they knew who he was and didn't care.
Didn't care, which is, by the way, how they're actually
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supposed to do their job. So instead he's combatant. And
then the second police officers like, all right, well you
don't want to get out of the car. And then
the guy's like, we're gonna arrest you right now. We're
gonna get you out of the car. And the second
he was overly aggressive. I'm not gonna lie to you,
no doubt. Now, what we don't know is we don't
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know what the those police officers were taught, because I'm
guessing that while it appears that he was a little
heavy handed in his approach and taking Tyreek Hill out
of the car, the fact is you can't when you
don't know what somebody has on their person. You cannot
go like, hey, can you get out of the car.
Can you not? Oh, you're gonna put your hands in
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your pockets. That's fine, Like, that's not how it works. Again.
You have to start every conversation with the belief that
that person is carrying. So my assessment of it was
Tyreek Hill is embarrassing himself fifteen times over, So too
is Drew Rosenhouse. Tyreek Hill's saying, my mama didn't raise
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me that way. Tyreek, I'm in Oklahoma state, Alum, we
don't even like to claim yet because you beat up
your girlfriend after beating Oklahoma, Like, what are we talking
about here? Like what are we actually doing? So I
understand that you don't have this many black people saying
we've been treated poorly by police unless it happened. And
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I grew up in Los Angeles. I remember Rodney King
beating Okay, and Rodney King was no angel, but he
did not deserve that vicious beating that he took from
police officers. I saw it. I was alive during the riots.
I'm not an idiot. I don't want to be called idiot,
and I'm not gonna be called something I'm not. Don't
label me something or not. I'm a radical centrist, but
I'm also a reasonable human being. And anybody knows that
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a cop pulls up and knocks on your window, you
don't go where you knock on my window for to
get you to roll down the window to give me
your ID so I can give you a ticket for speeding.
This is not your first rodeo. You've actually been to
jail before. Do you want to go again? No, life's
not that hard. I don't think the cops should be fired.
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I think the one cop felt a little aggressive, but
generally that's and then kalais Campbell, like, dude, your teammate,
You're you're being a great teammate, trying to support him.
But what you can do is you can't roll up
on a bunch of cops, hop out of a car,
leave it running and approach a police officer with an
active situation. I actually should think, though verbally there may
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have been a confrontation. I thought they showed a lot
of restraint. So do I think all cops have behaved well?
Of course not. Do I think cops can be on
a power trip? Of course? Do I think racism has
played a factor in the past. Yes? Probably. I can't
say definitely, but probably. Do I think cops have been
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on a power trip in the past and sometimes in
the present. Sure is that the case here? I don't
think so, Dan Byer, let me get your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well, A lot of it is along the lines of
what you said. I thought that tyreek Hill should have
kept his window down. It's funny because I know that
there are people and I've had family members who would
get a speeding ticket and it bothers them zero basically
saying what tyreek Hill says, just give me the ticket
and I'll go, that's fine. You know. For me personally,
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I have a complex. It'd be like, what the heck's
going on? You know, I just you know, freak out
about it. But there are other people that are just like,
all right, just give me the ticket. I'll go, just
just let me on my way. But I do think
that you have to comply at some point, and so
I think that tyreek Hill was in the wrong. And
I actually kind of put it to the Scotty Scheffler
point of view of what we had in May of
when Scheffler was pulled over, and whether it was an
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officer or not, you needed to follow and listen to
what they said, because it's sure like you seemed like
it was a person of authority. And that's where I
think that tyreek Hill was wrong in this situation. I
I the third video camera that I saw, like when
they were then trying to put him to the ground
and take him to the ground, that seemed pretty excessive.
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And when you said when that second officer came in,
they just they dragged him out of the car, did
seem excessive. It did start with Tyreek Hill not complying.
So is it two wrongs that don't make a right
sort of thing. I think that the officers are more
in the wrong. But you know, to have Tyreek Hill
is a martyr here or just this ultimate victim, it's
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just a little tough for me to take considering. I
think some of this could have been avoided if you
would have just listened or just rolled down the window,
gotten his ticket and left.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
All right, here's Tyreek Hill on CNN last night.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I'm a good old country boy from South Georgia. Man, Like,
I'm not a big believer in dividing people. You know,
I don't believe in all that, man.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I believe in.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Bringing people together, because that's my purpose in life. I
do football camps all across the world, man, trying to
bring different people together, different kids, different parents, you know,
because we and this together, baby, like we on this
earth together. We got to live together. So when I
say let's make a change, let's do it together. So
Miami PD really all officers across the world, man, because
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one officer doesn't you know what I'm saying, like make
the whole.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Group look bad.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Like every everybody has bad apples, you know what I'm saying,
every team has bad apples. It's my job to use
my platform and my resources so that way I'm able
to align, you know with you know these you know,
different stations. So that's what I mean when I say
let's make a change, because we don't try it at all,
you know what I'm saying, Like, we don't protest. We
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even took a knee, you know, we don't did.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
It walks like, so what's nixt?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
So right now, me and my wife we write our
brainstorming on how can we be a part of this change?
Speaker 5 (13:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
So it's important to us, you know, because we want
to be able to change lives all all the way
across the world, not just Miami.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I haven't read.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Eon Thomas, who's a former NBA player boker t Washington
and Tulsa. He read an article that said it showed
a group of police officers on a power trip, exhibiting
unprofessionalism and abusive authority through an ultra aggressive combative behavior.
From what I saw, they went out of their way
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to escalate the situation far beyond what was necessary. His
point is that if he was a black man, wasn't
famous with the situation have ended a lot worse. The
answer is surely yes. Like eton, that is so offensive,
so offensive, It had zero to do with him being black.
It had one hundred percent with him to do with
being combative. If I acted the same way, I would
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be treated the same way. Dan, do you believe that
to be different? I offer up, I'm asking your honest opinion.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I would hope, but I do think I would. I
would hope, but I am not completely there yet.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I would hope that you would be Jason Glhead.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
So I'm not sure what the source of is of
what you just read.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Thomas for the Guardians. I'm a NBA player. He's a
very very understood, left leaning, woke civil rights advocate, and you.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Know what, he has a much different life experience than
you me, Dan and Chris, and I totally understand that.
But I want to give the opposite opinion here. If
you go do the officer tatum on Twitter, there's this
guy with a massive social media following, former cop happens
to be black. But I don't think that's important here.
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And this is what his kind of sum up tweet
is of the situation. Keep the window down. Why are
you rolling the window up? That's an officer safety issue.
They don't know this man. He could be pulling a
gun out. Keep the window down. They ask you a
simple question. You're the one at fault, not them. In
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my opinion, Doug to have like a functioning society of
rules and laws, you need to have people paid to
enforce those laws. And if you're willing to break the
law and are confronted by a police officer, you should
be compelled to be deferential in that moment. You should
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treat the officer with respect. Tyreek Kill did the exact
opposite from the go from the jump. How many times
can a police officer ask you to roll your window down?
How many times could they ask you to get out
of the car. How many times could they ask you
to get on the ground if you're not being cooperative?
What should they do? What's the answer to that question?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That's a great question. So Dan let me ask you,
because we'll talk about this someone in the pod and
Profet you can get in the pod. What would you
do if you're the police officer and a guy is
not complying with the first roll to wind it down
and then to get out of the car.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I don't know. I don't know what their protocol is.
If that's a part of their protocol, then I would follow,
you know, what they would need to do. If they
need to physically remove him from the car, then they can.
Then that's what I would end up doing. I didn't
think that that was as egregious as maybe some of
the other stuff that I saw. I know, like it was,
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you know, the car was awkward, it's low, you're dragging
him out, and he's put down on the ground. That
wasn't as much. It was maybe the other stuff when
he was trying to sit and stand and I know
he had a knee surgery, but he was about to
play a football game, so that excuse didn't necessarily fly
with me. But it felt like that was extra at
that point, taking him to the ground out of the car.
If that's what the protocol was, it wasn't as shocking
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to me in that sort of situation I would.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I would here's the point about the knee surgery. And
again it's because we know he's Tyreek Hill. And I
saw a ust this weekend on social media where a
woman was She wasn't even being like forciately detained. They
had her hands behind her back or something, and she
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was saying, I can't breathe, I can't breathe. Right, And which,
of course is the guy who was was who died
in New York, Right, he was selling cigarettes, unlicensed cigarettes
out in front of a liquor store. But there was
no breathing problem with her, right none. It was Eric Gardner,
Eric Garner who was. But the point was, and I
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think Jason, you made this last night when we talked
on the phone, which is while most of us were like,
oh dude, Tyreek Hill, is something wrong with need like,
don't again, first if somebody tells you, send the curves
and the curb. Secondly, they're lied to every day every day.
It's like the old it's the old joke in Shawshanka prison. Right,
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every man in here is innocent. Just it doesn't work.
I wish I could tell you that every time a
cop walks up to a carter window. Nobody opens fire
on a police officer, but the reality is that happens.
I wish I could tell you that people only say
they've had knee surgery or have a back problem when
they're being arrested if they've had knee surgery or back problem.
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But people ie all the time. And I thought it
was extra two to be honest with you, Dan, But
I also I'm guessing that part of its protocols and
part of it is like you just have no time
in those situations to be like nice and cordial. You
have to get them to the ground to where there's
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no chance that they can pull a weapon on you
or you know, make a move on you and take
you to the.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Ground real real quick. Doug And Yeah, I mean we're
gonna talk. We'll talk a lot more about this on
the podcast. I don't have a lot of you know,
police friends. I do have a lot of legal friends
and a few lawyer friends around the family. I think
one place where this really got murky too, was that
the Miami Miami Dade Police Department immediately put the officers
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on administrative leave, which now has brought you know, law
representation from from the police officer side as well as
whatever's going to happen from the Tyreek Hill side. You know,
the police officer's legal representation thought it was premature, but
I think that administrative leave immediately also really mucked up
like everything around here. It made it murky, and that
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by doing that, you're kind of implying something went wrong
when I don't know. I don't know if they should
have stood by him, if that was the right move
to immediately put him on leave.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It was.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Honestly, I'm gonna be honest with you, I think it
was the right thing. I understand what you're saying. I
think it was the right thing. But they do this
whenever it's an officer involved shooting as well. They put
him on leave, They check out all the body cam footage,
they interview everybody around, and then they decide how they
want to proceed. It's just taking him in and kind
of removing him from from the hot stop. I agree
with you, I thought it was premature as well.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
It just sends it just it does like he.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Did something wrong. We didn't do anything wrong. But again
I'm guessing. Again, this is me guessing that much like
aggressively taking a non compliant driver out of his car
when he refuses commands is part of their protocol. The
only way you get fired is if you violate protocol.
That's how you get fired. So you can want to
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change protocol, but there's a logic behind it, and I
would say that in regards to him being put on leave,
I agree with you. When I heard that. At the time,
I was like, Ooh, something bad must happen. Then I
watched the Then I watched the body cam footage and
I was like, yeah, I'm not sure they did anything
wrong there other than being a little bit aggressive and
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getting them out of the car and taking him to
the ground. So I'm with you, but I'm guessing that's
just to remove him from it so they can make
a clear and concise decision. Give us your thoughts. What
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You know, it's it's a really hard one to figure
because you know, the Niners are at home. The Niners
are really good, the Niners of you know, an unbelievable defense.
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Nick Bosa back healthy, Fred Warner stud Trent Williams obviously
missed camp but got a new contract, and Samon, Brian
and Ayuku dropped that ball in the diving catch in
the end zone. Didn't have CMC but still had you know,
most of their cornucope of talent. They're playing at home.
(23:24):
They're mostly healthy, and they were pret damn good. Even
they weren't terribly sharp. The Jets, you don't have a
sound Reddick. You're traveling across the country. You know, Aaron
Rodgers has played four snaps in the last you know,
year and a half, and a lot of things are
new there. So it's not that the Jets lost and
(23:49):
the Niners won, It's that the Jets weren't really competitive.
And I think John Mittlcoff joined us last hour check
out his podcast three and Out. I think he painted
points out something which I was thinking but hadn't yet articulated,
which is like one of the things about Rogers. And
there's something about a quarterback and who can just throw
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from the pocket, like did Tom Brady have incredible elasticity
in terms of his arm last night long Shore? But
he also he didn't have to if he lost the step,
it didn't matter. He never had one, right, Aaron Rodgers
checked every box as a quarterback. Tough, smart, quick release,
(24:35):
great accuracy, incredible arm strength, athletic. But now when you
take out the athleticism, and I think his arms still
very strong and mostly accurate, not as accurate at times,
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that's completely changed the dynamic of who he is as
a player. So I guess the question is what now
for the Jets. Here's Aaron Rodgers summing up the loss.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
Yeah, you know, we were just bad one first and
second down, I think for a lot of the game.
And then you know, we had a couple of drives
we converted third downs, but overall, you know, we we
we I feel like we didn't have any third and
ten pluses tonight, so that's always a good thing. We
look in the stat sheet, but we didn't convert those
third mediums. You know, we had a drop, we had
a couple penalties, had a bad throw, so not the
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correct but overall, I feel, you know, feel good about
our guys that the protection was really good tonight. We
just were a little bit off in the in the
run game, couldn't give brist Co and couldn't give him
enough space. But a lot to build on.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
A cold Nighters, a championship level group.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
As someone who's seen a lot of talented Nighters teams,
which you said's paris.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Estmins, I would, yeah, they are a championship level group,
and I hope we see him there.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Here is Robert Salah on how good the forty nine ers.
Speaker 10 (26:03):
Are anytime you get run on like that, and credit
to them, like I said, they uh, it's a championship outfit,
and they introduced us to some championship football and we'll
get that pics.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
No, Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
They were able to run the ball really effectively, especially
on the edge.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
What were the problems you were seeing and having in
those situations where you couldn't get those stops?
Speaker 10 (26:22):
Now that you know, they still have u stab little backs.
But but at the same time, it's a you know,
they're very very good upfront and from an efficiency standpoint,
they they beat us up front playing it simple.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
That's a that's a that's a big problem. It's a
big problem. Here's Garrett Wilson. He had a pretty bluntway
putting it.
Speaker 11 (26:42):
We gotta go, we gotta go prepare, get better every
every week, every day, every hut truly because we're not.
We're not there yet. They they they whipped our ass
today and and that's the reality of it. And we
got to find a way to get better. You know,
the great teams will bounce back from this, and that's
what we plan.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
To do, all right, So like we'll see. I encourage
all of us, and you know, Profet, I don't know
how many years you've been doing this for but I
know that Jase Stewart's twenty five plus years in the business,
twenty plus years in the business for Dan as well
as myself. Is what we've learned about the NFL is
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anything we think week one, we see differently a lot
of times week two. So let's give I will give
the Jets at least this is the benefit of the doubt. Hey,
you got a week to show me differently, because again,
what I see is I see a quarterback who still good,
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not superstar the way he was. Some good pieces, but
not a great overall cast. And as as confident Bordling,
I'm Bordalion arrogant as the defense was last year, it
seems to be missing that right now. And remember, like now,
when you play at tea any team in the NFL,
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but a team like the Niners where you really got
to figure it out and show everything you got all
that tape. The rest of the league was watching and
whatever they were doing up front, more so than just
having better personnel than you to move you around, everyone's
gonna copy. So there's a lot of work to be done.
It's just one of those things where I thought we
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did a good job this summer of not over discussing
the Jets, because I just don't think the Jets are
very good and last night they lived down to whatever
that reputation actually is. Buyer, what hope do you see?
I mean, is this just a they walked through a
buzzsaw better team ready to play and knock the crap
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out of them? Or is it just one game and
we'll see a different team this week.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I think it's just one game for the Jets. It's
funny because I actually am glad that you said what
you said about Rogers, because I've seen nothing but rave
reviews on how Rogers looked, and I thought he looked
very stiff last night. And one of the great things
about his career has been his ability to move to
scramble to get runs on first down, aside from his
(29:10):
incredible accuracy and maybe the best thrower of the football
that we've ever seen. But I do think it is
a one off game, which we had talked about. This
is the toughest game the Jets will have on their
schedule the entire season. You don't get much more difficult
than going on the road cross country to San Francisco
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and to start the season. So I'm giving the Jets
the benefit of the doubt on their performance last night
and specifically their defensive performance. But if that doesn't get better,
then there's no way that you can expect Robert Solad
to return next season because that's supposed to be his baby.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Supposed to be supposed to be. Yeah, I'm I'm of
the mindset that you do you get one more week,
and then after that one more week, we can start
making really hard and fast assessments, you know, and being
being fair but also still being critical at the same time.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, there's a there's a part too with Rogers in
this and Nathaniel Hackett in this dynamic is whatever the
offense is is that's the best that it's going to
look because no one knows it better than Aaron Rodgers
and he has his input with it as well. So
there's also a maxing out portion of of how the
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offense is going to look. Hopefully their offensive line is
better than it was last year and Rodgers can continue
to play and stay upright, but you know, they're obviously
going to need Rogers to do it because he maximizes
everything they do. And again, tough night last night, even
if the forty nine Ers had all the drama they
had in the offseason, it's tough to expect it in
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a sharp performance as well, considering the lack of action
that Rogers had in the preseason. But he seemed to
fare pretty well. So I'm giving them a bit of
a pa on week one. I'd say the first month
or so. If we get into October and they're having
some of these same issues, then I'd start to be
concerned if I was a Jets fan.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
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Speaker 6 (31:14):
What about you, profet, Yeah, so you were asking, Well,
I've been covering the NFL for about ten years, and
I will say I agree with you week one. It's
especially as we cut back the preseason and guys starting
you never know what you're gonna get out week one
or for a lot of September football at this point.
So I agree with Dan that I think there's definitely
(31:35):
a weight and see approach when it comes to the Jets.
One thing that does concern me a bit is just
and this is kind of hard to qualify, but it
just feels like, I mean, we played that Garrett Wilson
clip and then we played the Robert Solid clips. The
vibes just kind of seem bad right out of the gate.
You take this one on the chin, and it's just
you've either got one side of your team saying like, oh, yeah,
(31:57):
that's a good team we played over there, which I
think is the right assessment, and then you've got others
who are like, no, we got our ass kicked.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Like it.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
It feels like in watching the reactions in New York today,
which are never good for the Jets, but I do
think this is one that kind of sticks with them.
If there's something that's going to bite them a little
bit early. It is this sense that they have something
to prove and it is going to kind of weigh
them down if they just cannot get some sort of
wins early on, like to at least prove to themselves.
(32:28):
I don't care about proving it to New York, but
at least approved to themselves that this is a championship
team that they will be there. Kind of funny the
reporter mentioning, you know, to Aaron Rodgers, you've seen a
lot of championship forty nine ers teams. Yeah, because the
usually they beat you in the playoffs yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I'm just saying, yeah, yeah, no, it did. It did.
Just say. But for a Lions fan who's had exactly
one game of success in the last thirty years in
the playoffs, that's a lot of good trash talk, all right.
I want to come on that like, look, I just buyer.
I think you and I are very much aligned. I'm
I'm I'm willing to give it another couple of weeks.
(33:10):
But I have not heard rave reviews on SLA in
the past. And God, they couldn't stop anybody. It's one
thing everybody says, well, you don't have a sound ridick,
I granted, but they couldn't stop the run. And that's
not like his area of strength. They just kind of
got punked a little bit. And that was without without
Christian McCaffrey. But it is just one game. It is
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all the way across the country. They do have a
second road game. Let's see what happens. But I'm I'm
not willing to punt. But I definitely think that people
who thought they were going to win this division when
you remember the Bills are good, the Dolphins are good,
and maybe they're not great, but they at least both
know who they.
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in the meantime, let's get to John Mittlecoff. He joins
us year on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. John,
thanks so much for joining us. We get to last
night's game in a second. I'm sure you've seen the
body cam footage now with the Tyreek Hill incidents. What's
your opinion.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
I've been to a lot of events, and I do
believe that sometimes I've seen it happen for years in
the Bay are going to Niners and Raiders games and
Warriors games. Is you get some over sell us cops
and situations where there's obviously a lot of traffic, and
I've never seen anything like that. I mean, I thought
it was kind of insane, not kind of I mean
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I thought it was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, I mean, like, let me can I can I
ask you like a cop pulls you over and you're
going you're clearly speeding. Apparently some reports more than fifty
miles an hour over the speed limit, Like you're not
going to roll down your window and you got a
tinted front window, Like, what do you think is going
to happen?
Speaker 5 (34:59):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean I guess he could have rolled
down his window right away. I mean again, I didn't.
I thought he was pulled over. I haven't looked that
much into the story, and I personally, once he got
out and score touchdown, I just don't care that much.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
Good But obviously all.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
These guys are gonna lose their job. I mean, it's
pretty clear what's going to happen. Is that I just
assumed that he was pulling in, uh, you know, to
the thing Scottie Scheffler style. But I guess is that
not what happened? You know, he was so I don't know.
I mean I I just think these situations, it just
didn't need to get that out of hand. Now, you're right,
(35:34):
I mean, why didn't they pulled down, roll down the window,
talk to him? But I don't think it would have
changed much. I mean, they were kind of they were coming.
What I find crazy is when you work and because
these guys I would imagine right are working events security.
You think you want to if you're going to do
that specific job, you'd have a pretty good idea of
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you know, the main headliners, you know, going back to
the sky listen.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I think it's I think it's stunning they did know
who Tyreek Hill was. But again I don't think they
were They weren't a stadium security. They were chasing him
because he was speeding.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
He had been being chased down the road.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Well, I mean they pulled him over, but there was
like six cop cars back there.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Yeah, so maybe he just maybe he was gonna be late.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I mean unless unless he was in a parade or
or getting a police escort, which I don't think either
was happening. You're right they didn't know who he was.
But like, yeah, I'm going to disagree with you. I
don't think they may lose their job. I don't think
they should lose their job. I thought there was one
dude that was over the top, But we don't know
what their protocols are.
Speaker 9 (36:35):
Right, Like, when a guy the situation always escalates, you know,
his teammates get out and clearly they don't know football
player from me or you, and they start freaking out,
you know that, and it.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Just gets the situation, jumps the shark. But one thing clear,
Drew Rosenhouse is a lot of first calls for a
lot of guys around the league.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Well he's interesting. Which guys he's the first calls for?
Speaker 5 (37:00):
There you go, oh yeah, one that he can make
a lot of money off.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah yeah, but they all have there there's always I mean,
like Tyreekhos no Angel.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Okay, well no, that's what it's like. Now he a
sympathetic figure. He's got you know, he's got a little uh,
you've got Kelton's that closet.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
No question. Okay. Let let's get to a bunch of
stuff on this weekend. Let's start with last night. Niners
don't have CMC and yet they do dominate running the football,
and the Jets offense looked looked like it was it
was preseason. Looked like they weren't sharp, they weren't ready.
Was that more about the Niners or more about the Jets?
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Well, the Niners are good and they have been five years,
so I mean, nothing's changed. I think last night, once
the Niners started kicking their butt, it's like, oh yeah,
the same old Niners. To me, the question is, and
you and I have been Rogers defenders right. That made
a bunch of people have jumped in to try to
come after him. But specifically as a player, his greatness
was predicated on not he didn't play like Tom Brady.
(38:01):
He could, he could sit in the boggy stall, last
sight and make the throws. But there was no one
in the history of the league who could scramble or
move and then still throw like Tom Brady and with.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
The incredible with incredible accuracy, incredible release, uh the ease
which the ball stamps off his hands and go ahead.
So I mean it wasn't yeh good, it was.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
It was unmatched in an history. Farv could do it,
but he was in as accurate and balls would fly
all over the place, not turn the ball over. The
Aeron that we've known and held to such high regard
is that guy's gone. Do you know what he is?
He's a stronger armed Jared Goff. Here's the problem. Jared
Goff's team is dramatically better. I'm watching Aaron Rodgers team.
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I mean, Garret Wilson's really good players. They got one
wide receiver, they got a running back, and this happens
a lot of running backs. Everyone wants the guy to
be like Emma Smith, like, let's just yeah, he had
some moments, let's seek out what he's out. Uh, they're
depence like that was supposed to be. They were supposed
to be like, okay, we'll just beat equals with the
forty nine ers, they were terrible. I mean they were
getting shoved around the other thing. Is it all here?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
You know?
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Obviously Salla in the Jets because so much of the
media's based in New York, have a lot of people
that want them to be good so bad. All I
heard is like, Hassan Reddick is out of sight, out
of mind. It doesn't well, yeah, maybe out of side,
out of mind, like in terms of the players don't
know him personally, but like that's kind of a major issue.
Because they get rid of Bryce Houck, who had ten
sacks and twenty plus quarterback hits. He goes to the Eagles. Well,
(39:33):
then they trade for Reddick, who had eleven sacks and
twenty five quarterback hits. So that player is just a zero.
So yeah, Quinn William is good, but the guy that
they wanted to be his other double digit sack ed
drusher doesn't exist, which obviously is a levee on Bell, Like,
I mean, what a moronic business decision for a son Reddick,
(39:55):
Like you're never getting that money back, my man, Like
you're going to look back when you're fifty, or like,
what was I thinking? There's one thing to stand on
principles and let your ego get big. Eventually you got
to look in the mirror and go, is this truly
a good idea? Just can anyone in his life be like, listen, man,
I don't think I think we're approaching this wrong at
this point, and I'm sure there are. He's not listening
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to anybody, But I watched the Jets and go, yeah,
I think their defense a little overrated. You watched the Niners,
who were clearly a top five defense when healthy. They're
better at every position group. So it's like, I just
think the Jets the last two years now, granted, who knows,
maybe they would have been better last year with Rogers
would have just looked like this for him, they clearly
(40:36):
would have been. But I'm just saying, like, would they
make the playoffs or not? But they kind of feel
like Notre Dame. A lot of hype and just a
lot of like, yeah, some some of.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Off Okay, let me get you a couple other things.
Are we at the possibility we never see Russell Wilson again?
And not that not that justin Fields is great, but
I don't know how hurd he is. And it feels
like they're going to make him really be healthy before
they start him, which means they really don't want him
to start.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
And think about that defense. They played Denver this week, Right,
that's a tough little matchup for the Rooks quarterback. So
more likely they're two to zero. And I just think
he kind of roll with the hot hand. The one
thing the Fields gives them, which we've known forever that
Russell just does not at this point and never he
never ran quite like Fields, is that he is a
dynamic runner. I mean, at any moment, he's like Jesus
(41:26):
Michael Vick. He actually, I thought was pretty accurate. I
think he did a pretty good job. That was one
of his better games of his career. Just kind of
managed the game, played under control, made some nice throws.
I've been saying it all along, just go with him,
see what you got. Maybe you can improve a little
bit better. He gives you higher ceiling. But I think
it's that defense. And here's the thing. I think this
(41:48):
is where we're there at the point now, like if
he went to Russell, you go back to the field
like all the feelings. Who even gives a crap because
that defense, to TJ wats healthy. He looks I watched
basically every game over the last five days. I don't
think you could list two or three better players week
one than TD Watt.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
He was.
Speaker 5 (42:06):
He looked like his brother in his front, just a
man amongst boys. And if he's on the field, that
defense man, they look pretty good. So if the quarterback
play where I might pivot off them and they can
just get to no turnovers, like they could get double
digit wins because that defense is looking flying around all right.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
What about Lamar? We haven't talked since Lamar, but missed
a couple guys in that last drive had some accuracy
issues and they ran him a lot a lot. Man.
That's just Kansas City. That's his trip tonight. But what
do we think big picture in terms of Lamar?
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Yeah, I mean he's kind of been He improved after
his first couple of years. He clearly got a little
more comfortable in the pocket and against most of the
teams in the NFL, like he takes advantage of when
he plays the best team in the NFL with the
best secondary and the team that he has to beat
even to get to the Super Bowl. I just don't
think he really has a chance. I didn't think he
was very good in that game. All obviously the running,
(43:02):
but like that's not how you beat them. You've got
to make the throws. I thought because of the last
like the game was looks closer and actually was. I thought.
My take on them is, like I don't think this
version of Lamar unless he takes a dramatic step throughout
this season, they feel more comfortable passing the ball from
the pocket that they can win a super Bowl. And
(43:24):
they're just not going to be as good as they
were last year. Clearly, the offensive lines on as good.
The defense is just going to take subtle steps back
because they've lost players, they lost their defensive coordinator. But
he definitely can't sustain doing what he did the other night.
I mean, he basically turns into a running back for
after game mare get killed, and he's an He's one of,
if not the best runner of all time. But I
(43:46):
think they are just they're more to me like a
ten win team than the version that we saw last
year that dominated. I mean, I think we look back
and go last year with their shot and they blew it.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Which of the rookie quarterbacks has the bet they none
of them look good. Which has the best chance to
play well?
Speaker 11 (44:06):
Well?
Speaker 5 (44:06):
I think just because Jayden can run, like of the
three guys, his one thing works right now. So it's like,
let's say they win this weekend twenty one to seventeen.
You know, Jayden could rush for eighty yards and a
touchdown or the other guys. I mean, Caleb and bo
are athletes, but they're really like athlete throwers, right. They
(44:26):
don't really want to scramble much more than like the
occasional run for a first down, like at the sideline.
So I just think Bonicks plays the Steelers this week.
Good luck, Buddy, and I like Bonix, but this could
get ugly. Caleb is a major work in progress, right,
I mean, his confidence got rattled early, which is understandable.
(44:48):
I mean with a tigh school football, college football, NFL,
like the first time you ever play a game at
the next level of whatever you're doing, or any industry,
any job, first time you get a big promotion. You
go to first meeting. I mean it's it's dominating, and
he was overwhelmed and then it kind of snowballed. But
I think those two guys could just be a major
work in progress. I saw Rome's getting an mri keenan.
(45:09):
We both love the guy, but he does get banged
up a little bit of wimping around all of a sudden,
It's like, can this guy carry it now? Luckily for
the Bears in that game, Will Levis you know, turned
into Daniel Jones and their defense is pretty good. But
Caleb and bo Nicks can't not really function and their
team win games. It's just not like I think the
(45:33):
spot the Bears are going to this week Sunday Night Football,
a lot of eyeballs against Houston, who's pretty darn good.
Is there could be a Demico defensive kind of mastermind.
It could get ugly again for Caleb.
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This is the Doug Gottlieb Show, and we have a
ton to get to. Let me introduce the crew, if
you will. That's the one and only Jason Stewart a
STU as he's known, and of course you have Dan
Byer will be part of the is a huge part
of the show, and of course you're hear him with
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the updates then Chris Burfett on the Ones and two. First,
I just want to check and make sure you guys
have all seen you guys have all seen the video
of Tyreek Hill being cuffed and stuffed on Sunday. Correct.
When I see the video, I'm not saying the normal video.
I'm saying the bodycam footage that was released last night.
(01:32):
Have you guys all seen that?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yep? Yes, several body comps by.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
The way, or yeah, multiple ones multiple different times as well.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, yeah. I guess what I'll do is I'll give
my opinion first, okay. And the problem with giving your
opinion first when it's your show is sometimes on some
shows guys are scared to give their own opinion. Okay,
our guys are not. You know, my opinion often differs
with either with Jay stew or with Dan Byer, and
(02:03):
so I respect it. So please please don't think that
me in my opinion, should stop you from having your opinion.
The first thing is it's really easy for lots of
shows like mine to avoid this topic. It just is,
you know, do the update, do the thing, whatever, I
just don't want to. I think that's just so soft
(02:26):
because I think it's one of those things where both
things can be true. Okay, it can be true that historically,
historically black men can feel like they're treated poorly by police,
and yet this is not an example of that. Right,
(02:53):
it can also be both be true that police are
on a power trip. This might not be a great
example of that. So I'll just tell you what I've
seen from the video. And I have friends that are
police officers. I have friends that despise police officers. I've
(03:17):
personally felt like, not necessarily violated, but I felt like
there's been cops who have been over the top, and
I've had cops treat me with incredible kindness. Not knowing.
Was my first week on the job at Green Bay
as a head coach. I couldn't sleep. In the middle
of the night, I got up, I drove. I was
(03:37):
staying at a hotel with the Legacy Hotel, which brand
new hotel looks over lambeau Field. I got my car
and I took a left and like Midwest small town America,
there's only gas stations open at like midnight, one in
the morning, whatever time it was and I just wanted
to snack, and so I went into like a quick
(03:58):
trip or whatever and got I got a liquid death
and a coffee. No, I didn't get a coffee. I
was trying to I was trying to go to sleep.
I got a liquid death and I got like a
power bar or something and maybe some sunflower seeds. And
I got my car and I took a wrong turn again,
like it was I think six day in town. I
(04:21):
took a wrong turn, so I went to light. I
flipped a Yuie, came back and got lit up and
they're like what do you? And I got pulled over
and there's three cop cars like what are you making
a U turn for? It's like, well, my hotel's that way.
And I didn't have any idea with me nothing cause
I just it was middle of the night. I went
down and I had my phone, so I did Apple
(04:41):
ID a Apple Pay in order to pay for it.
They asked me, you know, is there marijuana in the car.
I was like, not that I'm aware of. There was
a rental car. I just got it yesterday. Yanked rental
car paperwork. When you're Emerald, I don't have any rento
card paperwork. Right. So they're like trying to check all
(05:03):
this stuff out that I didn't have. I'm sitting on
the curb. I was incredibly courteous. They had no idea
who I was, not that it matters. They want to
make sure I didn't fit the I fit the description
of a suspect. They actually patted me down, they searched
through my whole car, they brought out the dogs. There's
nothing there, and they let me go. It wasn't comfortable,
(05:24):
and I felt like there's one cop that does a
little bit over the top, but like on some level,
I guess I get it. I don't know. Here's what
I saw. Apparently Tyreek Hill was speeding. There have been
reports that's in excess of fifty miles an hour over
the speed limit. I don't know if that's true, but
if you look at the bodycam footage, there's six motorcycles
(05:48):
I believe behind him. Either it was just rare happenstance
that there were five motorcycles and a cop pulling him over.
Five motorcycles already parked there in a cop them over
or him for a bit, and then when they walk
up to his window. We've all been in this situation before. Right,
no one's happy about being pulled over, especially when they're
(06:09):
running late, which is probably why tyreek Hill was speeding.
One he probably drives fast and doesn't care. And two
he'd probably run a little bit late. So he puts
down the window, and when the police officer asks for
ask him to keep the says, why are you banging
on my window? Like why do you think to get
(06:31):
the window down? Here's where I have actual empathy for
police officers. When that window, which is tinted, gets rolled
back up, you can't see in And why would you
roll back up your window unless you're hiding something. And
while I don't know if you carry, I don't carry,
(06:53):
But if you're a police officer, you know that you
have to assume every person you pull over is carrying
a little of weapon. So you pull up to a
car it's got tinted windows, he won't war up. He
rolled up the window after he can you his ID.
He's already non compliant and just being abrasive to be abrasive,
(07:15):
and then he rolls up his window like you don't
have to know who it is. Would I like to
think that you walk up to the window and me
being a football fans like, Tyreek Hill, what are you doing, man?
Why are you speeding making us pull you over on
a Sunday. We're getting ready to cheer for you for
the Dolphins. But they knew who he was and didn't care.
Didn't care, which is, by the way, how they're actually
(07:37):
supposed to do their job. So instead he's combatant. And
then the second police officers like, all right, well you
don't want to get out of the car. And then
the guy's like, we're gonna arrest you right now. We're
gonna get you out of the car. And the second
he was overly aggressive. I'm not gonna lie to you,
no doubt. Now, what we don't know is we don't
(07:58):
know what the those police officers were taught, because I'm
guessing that while it appears that he was a little
heavy handed in his approach and taking Tyreek Hill out
of the car, the fact is you can't when you
don't know what somebody has on their person. You cannot
go like, hey, can you get out of the car.
Can you not? Oh, you're gonna put your hands in
(08:19):
your pockets. That's fine, Like, that's not how it works. Again.
You have to start every conversation with the belief that
that person is carrying. So my assessment of it was
Tyreek Hill is embarrassing himself fifteen times over, So too
is Drew Rosenhouse. Tyreek Hill's saying, my mama didn't raise
(08:41):
me that way. Tyreek, I'm in Oklahoma state, Alum, we
don't even like to claim yet because you beat up
your girlfriend after beating Oklahoma, Like, what are we talking
about here? Like what are we actually doing? So I
understand that you don't have this many black people saying
we've been treated poorly by police unless it happened. And
(09:04):
I grew up in Los Angeles. I remember Rodney King
beating Okay, and Rodney King was no angel, but he
did not deserve that vicious beating that he took from
police officers. I saw it. I was alive during the riots.
I'm not an idiot. I don't want to be called idiot,
and I'm not gonna be called something I'm not. Don't
label me something or not. I'm a radical centrist, but
I'm also a reasonable human being. And anybody knows that
(09:27):
a cop pulls up and knocks on your window, you
don't go where you knock on my window for to
get you to roll down the window to give me
your ID so I can give you a ticket for speeding.
This is not your first rodeo. You've actually been to
jail before. Do you want to go again? No, life's
not that hard. I don't think the cops should be fired.
(09:48):
I think the one cop felt a little aggressive, but
generally that's and then kalais Campbell, like, dude, your teammate,
You're you're being a great teammate, trying to support him.
But what you can do is you can't roll up
on a bunch of cops, hop out of a car,
leave it running and approach a police officer with an
active situation. I actually should think, though verbally there may
(10:14):
have been a confrontation. I thought they showed a lot
of restraint. So do I think all cops have behaved well?
Of course not. Do I think cops can be on
a power trip? Of course? Do I think racism has
played a factor in the past. Yes? Probably. I can't
say definitely, but probably. Do I think cops have been
(10:36):
on a power trip in the past and sometimes in
the present. Sure is that the case here? I don't
think so, Dan Byer, let me get your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well, A lot of it is along the lines of
what you said. I thought that tyreek Hill should have
kept his window down. It's funny because I know that
there are people and I've had family members who would
get a speeding ticket and it bothers them zero basically
saying what tyreek Hill says, just give me the ticket
and I'll go, that's fine. You know. For me personally,
(11:06):
I have a complex. It'd be like, what the heck's
going on? You know, I just you know, freak out
about it. But there are other people that are just like,
all right, just give me the ticket. I'll go, just
just let me on my way. But I do think
that you have to comply at some point, and so
I think that tyreek Hill was in the wrong. And
I actually kind of put it to the Scotty Scheffler
point of view of what we had in May of
when Scheffler was pulled over, and whether it was an
(11:29):
officer or not, you needed to follow and listen to
what they said, because it's sure like you seemed like
it was a person of authority. And that's where I
think that tyreek Hill was wrong in this situation. I
I the third video camera that I saw, like when
they were then trying to put him to the ground
and take him to the ground, that seemed pretty excessive.
(11:50):
And when you said when that second officer came in,
they just they dragged him out of the car, did
seem excessive. It did start with Tyreek Hill not complying.
So is it two wrongs that don't make a right
sort of thing. I think that the officers are more
in the wrong. But you know, to have Tyreek Hill
is a martyr here or just this ultimate victim, it's
(12:11):
just a little tough for me to take considering. I
think some of this could have been avoided if you
would have just listened or just rolled down the window,
gotten his ticket and left.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
All right, here's Tyreek Hill on CNN last night.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I'm a good old country boy from South Georgia. Man, Like,
I'm not a big believer in dividing people. You know,
I don't believe in all that, man.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I believe in.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Bringing people together, because that's my purpose in life. I
do football camps all across the world, man, trying to
bring different people together, different kids, different parents, you know,
because we and this together, baby, like we on this
earth together. We got to live together. So when I
say let's make a change, let's do it together. So
Miami PD really all officers across the world, man, because
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one officer doesn't you know what I'm saying, like make
the whole.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Group look bad.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Like every everybody has bad apples, you know what I'm saying,
every team has bad apples. It's my job to use
my platform and my resources so that way I'm able
to align, you know with you know these you know,
different stations. So that's what I mean when I say
let's make a change, because we don't try it at all,
you know what I'm saying, Like, we don't protest. We
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even took a knee, you know, we don't did.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
It walks like, so what's nixt?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
So right now, me and my wife we write our
brainstorming on how can we be a part of this change?
Speaker 5 (13:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
So it's important to us, you know, because we want
to be able to change lives all all the way
across the world, not just Miami.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I haven't read.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Eon Thomas, who's a former NBA player boker t Washington
and Tulsa. He read an article that said it showed
a group of police officers on a power trip, exhibiting
unprofessionalism and abusive authority through an ultra aggressive combative behavior.
From what I saw, they went out of their way
(14:12):
to escalate the situation far beyond what was necessary. His
point is that if he was a black man, wasn't
famous with the situation have ended a lot worse. The
answer is surely yes. Like eton, that is so offensive,
so offensive, It had zero to do with him being black.
It had one hundred percent with him to do with
being combative. If I acted the same way, I would
(14:38):
be treated the same way. Dan, do you believe that
to be different? I offer up, I'm asking your honest opinion.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I would hope, but I do think I would. I
would hope, but I am not completely there yet.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I would hope that you would be Jason Glhead.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
So I'm not sure what the source of is of
what you just read.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Thomas for the Guardians. I'm a NBA player. He's a
very very understood, left leaning, woke civil rights advocate, and you.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Know what, he has a much different life experience than
you me, Dan and Chris, and I totally understand that.
But I want to give the opposite opinion here. If
you go do the officer tatum on Twitter, there's this
guy with a massive social media following, former cop happens
to be black. But I don't think that's important here.
(15:34):
And this is what his kind of sum up tweet
is of the situation. Keep the window down. Why are
you rolling the window up? That's an officer safety issue.
They don't know this man. He could be pulling a
gun out. Keep the window down. They ask you a
simple question. You're the one at fault, not them. In
(15:55):
my opinion, Doug to have like a functioning society of
rules and laws, you need to have people paid to
enforce those laws. And if you're willing to break the
law and are confronted by a police officer, you should
be compelled to be deferential in that moment. You should
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treat the officer with respect. Tyreek Kill did the exact
opposite from the go from the jump. How many times
can a police officer ask you to roll your window down?
How many times could they ask you to get out
of the car. How many times could they ask you
to get on the ground if you're not being cooperative?
What should they do? What's the answer to that question?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That's a great question. So Dan let me ask you,
because we'll talk about this someone in the pod and
Profet you can get in the pod. What would you
do if you're the police officer and a guy is
not complying with the first roll to wind it down
and then to get out of the car.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I don't know. I don't know what their protocol is.
If that's a part of their protocol, then I would follow,
you know, what they would need to do. If they
need to physically remove him from the car, then they can.
Then that's what I would end up doing. I didn't
think that that was as egregious as maybe some of
the other stuff that I saw. I know, like it was,
(17:23):
you know, the car was awkward, it's low, you're dragging
him out, and he's put down on the ground. That
wasn't as much. It was maybe the other stuff when
he was trying to sit and stand and I know
he had a knee surgery, but he was about to
play a football game, so that excuse didn't necessarily fly
with me. But it felt like that was extra at
that point, taking him to the ground out of the car.
If that's what the protocol was, it wasn't as shocking
(17:47):
to me in that sort of situation I would.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I would here's the point about the knee surgery. And
again it's because we know he's Tyreek Hill. And I
saw a ust this weekend on social media where a
woman was She wasn't even being like forciately detained. They
had her hands behind her back or something, and she
(18:10):
was saying, I can't breathe, I can't breathe. Right, And which,
of course is the guy who was was who died
in New York, Right, he was selling cigarettes, unlicensed cigarettes
out in front of a liquor store. But there was
no breathing problem with her, right none. It was Eric Gardner,
Eric Garner who was. But the point was, and I
(18:35):
think Jason, you made this last night when we talked
on the phone, which is while most of us were like,
oh dude, Tyreek Hill, is something wrong with need like,
don't again, first if somebody tells you, send the curves
and the curb. Secondly, they're lied to every day every day.
It's like the old it's the old joke in Shawshanka prison. Right,
(18:58):
every man in here is innocent. Just it doesn't work.
I wish I could tell you that every time a
cop walks up to a carter window. Nobody opens fire
on a police officer, but the reality is that happens.
I wish I could tell you that people only say
they've had knee surgery or have a back problem when
they're being arrested if they've had knee surgery or back problem.
(19:20):
But people ie all the time. And I thought it
was extra two to be honest with you, Dan, But
I also I'm guessing that part of its protocols and
part of it is like you just have no time
in those situations to be like nice and cordial. You
have to get them to the ground to where there's
(19:40):
no chance that they can pull a weapon on you
or you know, make a move on you and take
you to the.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Ground real real quick. Doug And Yeah, I mean we're
gonna talk. We'll talk a lot more about this on
the podcast. I don't have a lot of you know,
police friends. I do have a lot of legal friends
and a few lawyer friends around the family. I think
one place where this really got murky too, was that
the Miami Miami Dade Police Department immediately put the officers
(20:07):
on administrative leave, which now has brought you know, law
representation from from the police officer side as well as
whatever's going to happen from the Tyreek Hill side. You know,
the police officer's legal representation thought it was premature, but
I think that administrative leave immediately also really mucked up
like everything around here. It made it murky, and that
(20:30):
by doing that, you're kind of implying something went wrong
when I don't know. I don't know if they should
have stood by him, if that was the right move
to immediately put him on leave.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It was.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Honestly, I'm gonna be honest with you, I think it
was the right thing. I understand what you're saying. I
think it was the right thing. But they do this
whenever it's an officer involved shooting as well. They put
him on leave, They check out all the body cam footage,
they interview everybody around, and then they decide how they
want to proceed. It's just taking him in and kind
of removing him from from the hot stop. I agree
with you, I thought it was premature as well.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
It just sends it just it does like he.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Did something wrong. We didn't do anything wrong. But again
I'm guessing. Again, this is me guessing that much like
aggressively taking a non compliant driver out of his car
when he refuses commands is part of their protocol. The
only way you get fired is if you violate protocol.
That's how you get fired. So you can want to
(21:24):
change protocol, but there's a logic behind it, and I
would say that in regards to him being put on leave,
I agree with you. When I heard that. At the time,
I was like, Ooh, something bad must happen. Then I
watched the Then I watched the body cam footage and
I was like, yeah, I'm not sure they did anything
wrong there other than being a little bit aggressive and
(21:44):
getting them out of the car and taking him to
the ground. So I'm with you, but I'm guessing that's
just to remove him from it so they can make
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You know, it's it's a really hard one to figure
because you know, the Niners are at home. The Niners
are really good, the Niners of you know, an unbelievable defense.
(23:02):
Nick Bosa back healthy, Fred Warner stud Trent Williams obviously
missed camp but got a new contract, and Samon, Brian
and Ayuku dropped that ball in the diving catch in
the end zone. Didn't have CMC but still had you know,
most of their cornucope of talent. They're playing at home.
(23:24):
They're mostly healthy, and they were pret damn good. Even
they weren't terribly sharp. The Jets, you don't have a
sound Reddick. You're traveling across the country. You know, Aaron
Rodgers has played four snaps in the last you know,
year and a half, and a lot of things are
new there. So it's not that the Jets lost and
(23:49):
the Niners won, It's that the Jets weren't really competitive.
And I think John Mittlcoff joined us last hour check
out his podcast three and Out. I think he painted
points out something which I was thinking but hadn't yet articulated,
which is like one of the things about Rogers. And
there's something about a quarterback and who can just throw
(24:11):
from the pocket, like did Tom Brady have incredible elasticity
in terms of his arm last night long Shore? But
he also he didn't have to if he lost the step,
it didn't matter. He never had one, right, Aaron Rodgers
checked every box as a quarterback. Tough, smart, quick release,
(24:35):
great accuracy, incredible arm strength, athletic. But now when you
take out the athleticism, and I think his arms still
very strong and mostly accurate, not as accurate at times,
(24:56):
that's completely changed the dynamic of who he is as
a player. So I guess the question is what now
for the Jets. Here's Aaron Rodgers summing up the loss.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
Yeah, you know, we were just bad one first and
second down, I think for a lot of the game.
And then you know, we had a couple of drives
we converted third downs, but overall, you know, we we
we I feel like we didn't have any third and
ten pluses tonight, so that's always a good thing. We
look in the stat sheet, but we didn't convert those
third mediums. You know, we had a drop, we had
a couple penalties, had a bad throw, so not the
(25:32):
correct but overall, I feel, you know, feel good about
our guys that the protection was really good tonight. We
just were a little bit off in the in the
run game, couldn't give brist Co and couldn't give him
enough space. But a lot to build on.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
A cold Nighters, a championship level group.
Speaker 9 (25:47):
As someone who's seen a lot of talented Nighters teams,
which you said's paris.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Estmins, I would, yeah, they are a championship level group,
and I hope we see him there.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Here is Robert Salah on how good the forty nine ers.
Speaker 10 (26:03):
Are anytime you get run on like that, and credit
to them, like I said, they uh, it's a championship outfit,
and they introduced us to some championship football and we'll
get that pics.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
No, Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
They were able to run the ball really effectively, especially
on the edge.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
What were the problems you were seeing and having in
those situations where you couldn't get those stops?
Speaker 10 (26:22):
Now that you know, they still have u stab little backs.
But but at the same time, it's a you know,
they're very very good upfront and from an efficiency standpoint,
they they beat us up front playing it simple.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
That's a that's a that's a big problem. It's a
big problem. Here's Garrett Wilson. He had a pretty bluntway
putting it.
Speaker 11 (26:42):
We gotta go, we gotta go prepare, get better every
every week, every day, every hut truly because we're not.
We're not there yet. They they they whipped our ass
today and and that's the reality of it. And we
got to find a way to get better. You know,
the great teams will bounce back from this, and that's
what we plan.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
To do, all right, So like we'll see. I encourage
all of us, and you know, Profet, I don't know
how many years you've been doing this for but I
know that Jase Stewart's twenty five plus years in the business,
twenty plus years in the business for Dan as well
as myself. Is what we've learned about the NFL is
(27:19):
anything we think week one, we see differently a lot
of times week two. So let's give I will give
the Jets at least this is the benefit of the doubt. Hey,
you got a week to show me differently, because again,
what I see is I see a quarterback who still good,
(27:39):
not superstar the way he was. Some good pieces, but
not a great overall cast. And as as confident Bordling,
I'm Bordalion arrogant as the defense was last year, it
seems to be missing that right now. And remember, like now,
when you play at tea any team in the NFL,
(28:01):
but a team like the Niners where you really got
to figure it out and show everything you got all
that tape. The rest of the league was watching and
whatever they were doing up front, more so than just
having better personnel than you to move you around, everyone's
gonna copy. So there's a lot of work to be done.
It's just one of those things where I thought we
(28:23):
did a good job this summer of not over discussing
the Jets, because I just don't think the Jets are
very good and last night they lived down to whatever
that reputation actually is. Buyer, what hope do you see?
I mean, is this just a they walked through a
buzzsaw better team ready to play and knock the crap
(28:44):
out of them? Or is it just one game and
we'll see a different team this week.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I think it's just one game for the Jets. It's
funny because I actually am glad that you said what
you said about Rogers, because I've seen nothing but rave
reviews on how Rogers looked, and I thought he looked
very stiff last night. And one of the great things
about his career has been his ability to move to
scramble to get runs on first down, aside from his
(29:10):
incredible accuracy and maybe the best thrower of the football
that we've ever seen. But I do think it is
a one off game, which we had talked about. This
is the toughest game the Jets will have on their
schedule the entire season. You don't get much more difficult
than going on the road cross country to San Francisco
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and to start the season. So I'm giving the Jets
the benefit of the doubt on their performance last night
and specifically their defensive performance. But if that doesn't get better,
then there's no way that you can expect Robert Solad
to return next season because that's supposed to be his baby.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Supposed to be supposed to be. Yeah, I'm I'm of
the mindset that you do you get one more week,
and then after that one more week, we can start
making really hard and fast assessments, you know, and being
being fair but also still being critical at the same time.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, there's a there's a part too with Rogers in
this and Nathaniel Hackett in this dynamic is whatever the
offense is is that's the best that it's going to
look because no one knows it better than Aaron Rodgers
and he has his input with it as well. So
there's also a maxing out portion of of how the
(30:31):
offense is going to look. Hopefully their offensive line is
better than it was last year and Rodgers can continue
to play and stay upright, but you know, they're obviously
going to need Rogers to do it because he maximizes
everything they do. And again, tough night last night, even
if the forty nine Ers had all the drama they
had in the offseason, it's tough to expect it in
(30:52):
a sharp performance as well, considering the lack of action
that Rogers had in the preseason. But he seemed to
fare pretty well. So I'm giving them a bit of
a pa on week one. I'd say the first month
or so. If we get into October and they're having
some of these same issues, then I'd start to be
concerned if I was a Jets fan.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
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Speaker 6 (31:14):
What about you, profet, Yeah, so you were asking, Well,
I've been covering the NFL for about ten years, and
I will say I agree with you week one. It's
especially as we cut back the preseason and guys starting
you never know what you're gonna get out week one
or for a lot of September football at this point.
So I agree with Dan that I think there's definitely
(31:35):
a weight and see approach when it comes to the Jets.
One thing that does concern me a bit is just
and this is kind of hard to qualify, but it
just feels like, I mean, we played that Garrett Wilson
clip and then we played the Robert Solid clips. The
vibes just kind of seem bad right out of the gate.
You take this one on the chin, and it's just
you've either got one side of your team saying like, oh, yeah,
(31:57):
that's a good team we played over there, which I
think is the right assessment, and then you've got others
who are like, no, we got our ass kicked.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Like it.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
It feels like in watching the reactions in New York today,
which are never good for the Jets, but I do
think this is one that kind of sticks with them.
If there's something that's going to bite them a little
bit early. It is this sense that they have something
to prove and it is going to kind of weigh
them down if they just cannot get some sort of
wins early on, like to at least prove to themselves.
(32:28):
I don't care about proving it to New York, but
at least approved to themselves that this is a championship
team that they will be there. Kind of funny the
reporter mentioning, you know, to Aaron Rodgers, you've seen a
lot of championship forty nine ers teams. Yeah, because the
usually they beat you in the playoffs yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I'm just saying, yeah, yeah, no, it did. It did.
Just say. But for a Lions fan who's had exactly
one game of success in the last thirty years in
the playoffs, that's a lot of good trash talk, all right.
I want to come on that like, look, I just buyer.
I think you and I are very much aligned. I'm
I'm I'm willing to give it another couple of weeks.
(33:10):
But I have not heard rave reviews on SLA in
the past. And God, they couldn't stop anybody. It's one
thing everybody says, well, you don't have a sound ridick,
I granted, but they couldn't stop the run. And that's
not like his area of strength. They just kind of
got punked a little bit. And that was without without
Christian McCaffrey. But it is just one game. It is
(33:30):
all the way across the country. They do have a
second road game. Let's see what happens. But I'm I'm
not willing to punt. But I definitely think that people
who thought they were going to win this division when
you remember the Bills are good, the Dolphins are good,
and maybe they're not great, but they at least both
know who they.
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in the meantime, let's get to John Mittlecoff. He joins
us year on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. John,
thanks so much for joining us. We get to last
night's game in a second. I'm sure you've seen the
body cam footage now with the Tyreek Hill incidents. What's
your opinion.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
I've been to a lot of events, and I do
believe that sometimes I've seen it happen for years in
the Bay are going to Niners and Raiders games and
Warriors games. Is you get some over sell us cops
and situations where there's obviously a lot of traffic, and
I've never seen anything like that. I mean, I thought
it was kind of insane, not kind of I mean
(34:43):
I thought it was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, I mean, like, let me can I can I
ask you like a cop pulls you over and you're
going you're clearly speeding. Apparently some reports more than fifty
miles an hour over the speed limit, Like you're not
going to roll down your window and you got a
tinted front window, Like, what do you think is going
to happen?
Speaker 5 (34:59):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean I guess he could have rolled
down his window right away. I mean again, I didn't.
I thought he was pulled over. I haven't looked that
much into the story, and I personally, once he got
out and score touchdown, I just don't care that much.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
Good But obviously all.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
These guys are gonna lose their job. I mean, it's
pretty clear what's going to happen. Is that I just
assumed that he was pulling in, uh, you know, to
the thing Scottie Scheffler style. But I guess is that
not what happened? You know, he was so I don't know.
I mean I I just think these situations, it just
didn't need to get that out of hand. Now, you're right,
(35:34):
I mean, why didn't they pulled down, roll down the window,
talk to him? But I don't think it would have
changed much. I mean, they were kind of they were coming.
What I find crazy is when you work and because
these guys I would imagine right are working events security.
You think you want to if you're going to do
that specific job, you'd have a pretty good idea of
(35:54):
you know, the main headliners, you know, going back to
the sky listen.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I think it's I think it's stunning they did know
who Tyreek Hill was. But again I don't think they
were They weren't a stadium security. They were chasing him
because he was speeding.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
He had been being chased down the road.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Well, I mean they pulled him over, but there was
like six cop cars back there.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Yeah, so maybe he just maybe he was gonna be late.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I mean unless unless he was in a parade or
or getting a police escort, which I don't think either
was happening. You're right they didn't know who he was.
But like, yeah, I'm going to disagree with you. I
don't think they may lose their job. I don't think
they should lose their job. I thought there was one
dude that was over the top, But we don't know
what their protocols are.
Speaker 9 (36:35):
Right, Like, when a guy the situation always escalates, you know,
his teammates get out and clearly they don't know football
player from me or you, and they start freaking out,
you know that, and it.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Just gets the situation, jumps the shark. But one thing clear,
Drew Rosenhouse is a lot of first calls for a
lot of guys around the league.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Well he's interesting. Which guys he's the first calls for?
Speaker 5 (37:00):
There you go, oh yeah, one that he can make
a lot of money off.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah yeah, but they all have there there's always I mean,
like Tyreekhos no Angel.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Okay, well no, that's what it's like. Now he a
sympathetic figure. He's got you know, he's got a little uh,
you've got Kelton's that closet.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
No question. Okay. Let let's get to a bunch of
stuff on this weekend. Let's start with last night. Niners
don't have CMC and yet they do dominate running the football,
and the Jets offense looked looked like it was it
was preseason. Looked like they weren't sharp, they weren't ready.
Was that more about the Niners or more about the Jets?
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Well, the Niners are good and they have been five years,
so I mean, nothing's changed. I think last night, once
the Niners started kicking their butt, it's like, oh yeah,
the same old Niners. To me, the question is, and
you and I have been Rogers defenders right. That made
a bunch of people have jumped in to try to
come after him. But specifically as a player, his greatness
was predicated on not he didn't play like Tom Brady.
(38:01):
He could, he could sit in the boggy stall, last
sight and make the throws. But there was no one
in the history of the league who could scramble or
move and then still throw like Tom Brady and with.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
The incredible with incredible accuracy, incredible release, uh the ease
which the ball stamps off his hands and go ahead.
So I mean it wasn't yeh good, it was.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
It was unmatched in an history. Farv could do it,
but he was in as accurate and balls would fly
all over the place, not turn the ball over. The
Aeron that we've known and held to such high regard
is that guy's gone. Do you know what he is?
He's a stronger armed Jared Goff. Here's the problem. Jared
Goff's team is dramatically better. I'm watching Aaron Rodgers team.
(38:47):
I mean, Garret Wilson's really good players. They got one
wide receiver, they got a running back, and this happens
a lot of running backs. Everyone wants the guy to
be like Emma Smith, like, let's just yeah, he had
some moments, let's seek out what he's out. Uh, they're
depence like that was supposed to be. They were supposed
to be like, okay, we'll just beat equals with the
forty nine ers, they were terrible. I mean they were
getting shoved around the other thing. Is it all here?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
You know?
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Obviously Salla in the Jets because so much of the
media's based in New York, have a lot of people
that want them to be good so bad. All I
heard is like, Hassan Reddick is out of sight, out
of mind. It doesn't well, yeah, maybe out of side,
out of mind, like in terms of the players don't
know him personally, but like that's kind of a major issue.
Because they get rid of Bryce Houck, who had ten
sacks and twenty plus quarterback hits. He goes to the Eagles. Well,
(39:33):
then they trade for Reddick, who had eleven sacks and
twenty five quarterback hits. So that player is just a zero.
So yeah, Quinn William is good, but the guy that
they wanted to be his other double digit sack ed
drusher doesn't exist, which obviously is a levee on Bell, Like,
I mean, what a moronic business decision for a son Reddick,
(39:55):
Like you're never getting that money back, my man, Like
you're going to look back when you're fifty, or like,
what was I thinking? There's one thing to stand on
principles and let your ego get big. Eventually you got
to look in the mirror and go, is this truly
a good idea? Just can anyone in his life be like, listen, man,
I don't think I think we're approaching this wrong at
this point, and I'm sure there are. He's not listening
(40:15):
to anybody, But I watched the Jets and go, yeah,
I think their defense a little overrated. You watched the Niners,
who were clearly a top five defense when healthy. They're
better at every position group. So it's like, I just
think the Jets the last two years now, granted, who knows,
maybe they would have been better last year with Rogers
would have just looked like this for him, they clearly
(40:36):
would have been. But I'm just saying, like, would they
make the playoffs or not? But they kind of feel
like Notre Dame. A lot of hype and just a
lot of like, yeah, some some of.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Off Okay, let me get you a couple other things.
Are we at the possibility we never see Russell Wilson again?
And not that not that justin Fields is great, but
I don't know how hurd he is. And it feels
like they're going to make him really be healthy before
they start him, which means they really don't want him
to start.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
And think about that defense. They played Denver this week, Right,
that's a tough little matchup for the Rooks quarterback. So
more likely they're two to zero. And I just think
he kind of roll with the hot hand. The one
thing the Fields gives them, which we've known forever that
Russell just does not at this point and never he
never ran quite like Fields, is that he is a
dynamic runner. I mean, at any moment, he's like Jesus
(41:26):
Michael Vick. He actually, I thought was pretty accurate. I
think he did a pretty good job. That was one
of his better games of his career. Just kind of
managed the game, played under control, made some nice throws.
I've been saying it all along, just go with him,
see what you got. Maybe you can improve a little
bit better. He gives you higher ceiling. But I think
it's that defense. And here's the thing. I think this
(41:48):
is where we're there at the point now, like if
he went to Russell, you go back to the field
like all the feelings. Who even gives a crap because
that defense, to TJ wats healthy. He looks I watched
basically every game over the last five days. I don't
think you could list two or three better players week
one than TD Watt.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
He was.
Speaker 5 (42:06):
He looked like his brother in his front, just a
man amongst boys. And if he's on the field, that
defense man, they look pretty good. So if the quarterback
play where I might pivot off them and they can
just get to no turnovers, like they could get double
digit wins because that defense is looking flying around all right.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
What about Lamar? We haven't talked since Lamar, but missed
a couple guys in that last drive had some accuracy
issues and they ran him a lot a lot. Man.
That's just Kansas City. That's his trip tonight. But what
do we think big picture in terms of Lamar?
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Yeah, I mean he's kind of been He improved after
his first couple of years. He clearly got a little
more comfortable in the pocket and against most of the
teams in the NFL, like he takes advantage of when
he plays the best team in the NFL with the
best secondary and the team that he has to beat
even to get to the Super Bowl. I just don't
think he really has a chance. I didn't think he
was very good in that game. All obviously the running,
(43:02):
but like that's not how you beat them. You've got
to make the throws. I thought because of the last
like the game was looks closer and actually was. I thought.
My take on them is, like I don't think this
version of Lamar unless he takes a dramatic step throughout
this season, they feel more comfortable passing the ball from
the pocket that they can win a super Bowl. And
(43:24):
they're just not going to be as good as they
were last year. Clearly, the offensive lines on as good.
The defense is just going to take subtle steps back
because they've lost players, they lost their defensive coordinator. But
he definitely can't sustain doing what he did the other night.
I mean, he basically turns into a running back for
after game mare get killed, and he's an He's one of,
if not the best runner of all time. But I
(43:46):
think they are just they're more to me like a
ten win team than the version that we saw last
year that dominated. I mean, I think we look back
and go last year with their shot and they blew it.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Which of the rookie quarterbacks has the bet they none
of them look good. Which has the best chance to
play well?
Speaker 11 (44:06):
Well?
Speaker 5 (44:06):
I think just because Jayden can run, like of the
three guys, his one thing works right now. So it's like,
let's say they win this weekend twenty one to seventeen.
You know, Jayden could rush for eighty yards and a
touchdown or the other guys. I mean, Caleb and bo
are athletes, but they're really like athlete throwers, right. They
(44:26):
don't really want to scramble much more than like the
occasional run for a first down, like at the sideline.
So I just think Bonicks plays the Steelers this week.
Good luck, Buddy, and I like Bonix, but this could
get ugly. Caleb is a major work in progress, right,
I mean, his confidence got rattled early, which is understandable.
(44:48):
I mean with a tigh school football, college football, NFL,
like the first time you ever play a game at
the next level of whatever you're doing, or any industry,
any job, first time you get a big promotion. You
go to first meeting. I mean it's it's dominating, and
he was overwhelmed and then it kind of snowballed. But
I think those two guys could just be a major
work in progress. I saw Rome's getting an mri keenan.
(45:09):
We both love the guy, but he does get banged
up a little bit of wimping around all of a sudden,
It's like, can this guy carry it now? Luckily for
the Bears in that game, Will Levis you know, turned
into Daniel Jones and their defense is pretty good. But
Caleb and bo Nicks can't not really function and their
team win games. It's just not like I think the
(45:33):
spot the Bears are going to this week Sunday Night Football,
a lot of eyeballs against Houston, who's pretty darn good.
Is there could be a Demico defensive kind of mastermind.
It could get ugly again for Caleb.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Johnny the best man is good first week. Look forward
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haven't yet, you're a pretty big idiot. Not you. John
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Be there,
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