September 11, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug talks about Tyreek Hill's ordeal in South Florida and makes a comparison as we acknowledge the 23rd anniversary of 9/11. Doug welcomes Northern Illinois head coach Thomas Hammock onto the show to talk about his team's massive win at Notre Dame last weekend. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better Or Worse?".
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I find it more than a little bit troubling that
Tyreek Hill believes that the officer in question, even though
he could have been better, he could have rolled down
his window, should be fired.
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Yeah, this is Tyreek Hill talking about taking a little
bit of responsibility, but talking about this confrontation with cops.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
I have family members who are cops. We've had conversations. Yes,
I will say I could have been better, you know,
I could have let down my window, you know, in
that instant. But the thing about me is, man, I
don't I don't want attention. I don't I don't want
to be like cameras out phones on you, you know,
in that moment. But at the end of the day,
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you know, I'm human. I gotta I gotta follow rules.
I gotta do what you know every everyone else would do.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
So now does that give them the right to literally
beat the dog.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Out of me? Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
But at the end of the day, I wish I
could go back and do things a bit differently.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Okay, wait, so that was actually very reasonable, with exception
of beat the dog out of him. And again, like
I guess, Danny Torres is the guy's name, Well, aggressive
little much right, But what did he do? He forcefully
removed him from his vehicle when he wouldn't put keep
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his window down, which is a tended black window. Okay,
so I'm guessing there's some police protocol in that why
first of all, like, why do you think he would
remove you if you didn't if you just did what
they asked you to do, And does any like even
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if you're really really really bothered and I'm sure some
people are really really really really bothered by it, Like
I don't know, Dan Bayer, if you're really really bothered
by it, can we at least agree that?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And maybe it's we have a.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
High tolerance because we've seen the Rodney King video, We've
seen other videos. But do we think he got the
dog beat out of him?
Speaker 6 (03:07):
I needn't see that. Yeah that was my impression.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
No, again, we can all there's different levels of he
was over the top aggressive and pulling him out and
then trying to get him sit on the curb and
then putting him face down and again. But if you
listen to them, they were like, hey, you lost your chance.
He's like now he's like, do whatever you want take
me to jail with like, ah, you lost the chance,
Yeah I had the chance, then you wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
So I just.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
If if even tyreek Kill could be like I could
be better, why can't the cops say, you know, it
could be a little better. Instead, we have to go
to the mattresses and the cops got to be fired.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Way.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I don't get that one, but it's interesting that it happens,
and we have this discussion on nine to eleven because
there was a time there, and if you're too young
to remember, it's okay, We're not doing this. Is not
the way back machine that'll make you feel like some
sort of nostalgia. It was literally the scariest time of
my human existence, and I think most of ours.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Right nine to eleven was twenty three years ago?
Speaker 7 (04:25):
Was that right?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Twenty three years ago? I was twenty five years old.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I played in Russia, and in between overseas stints, and
after playing with the Lakers in the NBA Summer League,
I was living in still at Oklahoma, staying in apartment
right next to this apartment that I stayed at my
senior year in college, just about the Sushi house down
South Maine, and I would get up in the morning
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and oftentimes go and lift weights and then drive to
Oaklham City, fill in for somebody in radio, drive back
and either have dinner with my wife, or i'd go and.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Play basketball with the play pick a ball with the
with the.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Oaklhom Statement Men's team, and I was driving my father
in law's truck the time, and I got into the
pickup truck and I heard on the news something about
the tower, but it felt like a War of the worlds.
It felt like somebody was doing some sort of spoofy brock.
So I turned it off and I was this again,
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before the days of hopping on a cell phone.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I don't even think I had a cell phone.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And it's like a fifty five minute drive to work,
and I walk in and I remember everyone was staring
at the TVs and the.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Towers were on fire.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Two planes had hit and I thought it was I
thought it was fake on the radio, and then I
realized it was real life. And then I saw one
of the towers go down. And we spent the rest
of that day on the race doing cut ins to
ABC News telling people to please become not gouge prices
on gas if you own a gas station, and that
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you know, people in the Armed forces and the first
responders would take care of us. That weekend, there were
no sports. I hung out outside of Drumwrit, Oklahoma, and
I just, you know, there was a thought there We're
like this is what the end looks like. You know,
the next step is we attack them, then somebody has
a nuclear bomb, then it becomes nuclear warfare. Then, you know,
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I mean those of us who grew up watching Matthew
Broderick in wargames, we thought this was Geothermo nuclear war
and this is how it starts, and we know how
it ends.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
We don't know where the terrorists were BYRN. Were you
in LA at that point?
Speaker 6 (06:48):
No, No, I was not. I was actually working in
a town called Barrow Boo, Wisconsin, doing local radio in
that city and the county and the surrounding surrounding towns
at that time.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
What was your experience like?
Speaker 6 (07:02):
So mine was a little different, And it's just it's
I think it's difficult to relate to for the fact
of because I was working in news radio at that time,
and I was a one man newsroom where we also
put on an evening television broadcast for a low powered
TV station that went to communities throughout the county. And
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the thing that I was doing was I was going
to like I had to go do a story at
the airport. So when this was happening, ran in went
to the local airport, which wasn't a commercial airport, it
was just a small airport in the area, and did
a story on that and what was happening, and then
you realize all the different places that you have to
go that are affected. So you go to the county
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Emergency Services Department to see what they're doing. And you know,
we're in the middle of you know, south central Wisconsin,
where there wasn't a lot going on, but there are
all these facets of your world that are being affected
by what is going down. And I mean, this tiny
little airport couldn't even fly five minutes to the town over,
you know, everything was grounded. And so it was a really,
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really busy day in that way, and so I didn't
get a chance to grasp what was going on because
I was I was doing my work. But the crazy
thing that I remember was being completely exhausted from work.
And then as I was driving home, I went past
the gas station and the cars were just lined up
for blocks because everybody was afraid that the price of
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gas was, you know, just going to skyrocket as well.
So now guess what I did, turned around, went back,
got my camera and did a new story on it.
And it wasn't until I got home that night that
when you really soaked it in of realizing what had happened.
But I mean, it affected so many lives in so
many different ways. Mine was just unique in the way
that I had to cover all the different you know,
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things that were could have been affected in local communities
across the country.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Sea sty Where are you?
Speaker 8 (09:04):
Let's see, I was working on the Jim Rome Show
at the time, but I took the week off. So
we had been hosting my parents from back east, and
my son was four, so we were hosting my parents
and then it happened at what at like six am
our time. I think my dad was watching news of
the time, and obviously we just sat and watched the
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news all day. I do remember having to navigate the
days afterwards on the Jim Rome Show, like what do
we do? What do we talk about? What guests do
we book? Because you know, they shut down all the
sports and that was the news. But then that kind
of leaves you with nothing to talk about. Of course,
all that sounds kind of familiar because this is what
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we did during the pandemic, But no, I do remember
that there was a it's a it was like one
of those It's one of those times where you heard
the word unprecedented so much that it just became cliched.
Unprecedent the times, yep, got it, and so it was
tough to do work at that point.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Sam, how old are you?
Speaker 9 (10:08):
Thirty seven?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
So you were in high school.
Speaker 9 (10:10):
I was a freshman in high school, sitting in the
first class of the day in my power and energy class,
and my teacher, I believe his name was mister Rogers,
he got a text or a call from somebody. We
put the TV on and then we saw I think
(10:32):
that what was the second plane hit live and it
was just it was just surreal.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
What happened. What was the reaction when the towers came down?
Speaker 9 (10:42):
Were you guys watching, Yeah, we watched a lot and
we were just gasping. Just no one, no one in
the room was making light of it. It was just
it looked like war. It was. It was just something
we've never seen in real life before.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It was here's and here's where the paralleled to Tyreek Hill. Okay,
and I want to talk about the actual nine to
eleven further, and I appreciate you guys hearing your story
is the it's it was the last time, it felt
like that we really really respected what people who put
themselves in the line of fire do.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Right in the line of fire do, like.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Firefighters go upstairs and carry people down flights of stairs.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Everybody's running out and they're running in.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And so these were real, real stories that just were tragic.
But we spent the next probably a couple of months,
appreciating our country, appreciating ourselves, our families, and especially those people.
But what it did was it made you realize, oh
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my god, when things go really, really bad, it's actually
their job to go into places that we are. Everything
in our being is telling us to run out of
building is on fire, and most of us are like Costanza.
You guys, remember when Castanza tried to get out from
was I thought there was a fire, and he's pushing
women and children out of the way. That's how most
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of us act. And these men and some women were
running into these buildings. Okay, we completely lack that. Now
with twenty three years, twenty three years have passed, it
is a much more dangerous world now than ever than ever.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
For police officers.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
More people are armed, the guns they have are more advanced.
There's more distrust and dislike for police officers than ever before.
The margin for error and what they're allowed to do
has been lessened. And today we continue several days after
even with Tyreek Hill admitting he should have rolled.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Down the window. That he's like, yeah, but I want
the guy fired.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And there we people across the board that agree with him,
when no one in law enforcement would actually truthfully say that,
they'd be like, yeah, it's a little much. But dude's
got black ten of windows. He rolled up his window.
You don't know what's behind that window. And he gives
you a direction to get out of the car, and
you don't do it, like.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Get him out. He tells you to kneel down the
car on the curb. You don't do it. Make him
kneel Like that's what they're told to do.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
They have to be in complete control of the situation
because there's all these other things going on.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It was twenty three years ago, and.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
It set off a chain of events, right, we had
the Second War in Iraq. We had I mean President
Bush who again at the time and when you look
at his presidency and totality, I wasn't a fan, but
I again, you know, like pretty hard to argue not
just the Yankee Stadium, but standing on top of the
rubble with the megaphone. Those are two of the strongest
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moments in the history of the presidency of the United States.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But if you weren't old enough to comprehend or understand,
what you need to know is what I've been trying
to tell people about Israel is about It's not just
about Israel, It's about the Western way of life. Is not.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Is not loved and appreciated by a gigantic number of
people in a different part of the world. And if
it's not the Jews, it's the Christians, it is their
next don't believe me. I got proof nine to eleven,
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two thousand and one, and we truly appreciated one another.
It changed our tone and our discourse. We appreciated people
who served in our military, who would go in, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
To fight these people. We appreciated people who are first responders.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Again, it doesn't grant them carte blanche to abuse other people,
but does allow them to do their job. And we did,
at least at that time, understand all of what it
meant to not come home from their job.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I don't have a job like that. I don't know.
I have two jobs I don't have.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Neither of the jobs are ones in which there's any
level of expectation I'm not going to come home from.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Those men and women do. It doesn't allow you.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
The ability to abuse or to be on a power trip,
but it should create the empathy and understanding of those
of us. Is got be wired a little bit differently.
You're going to see some stuff a lot differently than
the rest of the world, and you have to have
you got to pay attention to everything around you, have
all your Spidey senses going. Because Jay Stu, you pointed
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out yesterday that these men are lied to every day.
No one ever says, hey, I have a gun, you know,
or very few people say I have a gun in
my glove box and I'm going to use it when
I roll up the window.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's not what happens anyway.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Nine to eleven, twenty three years ago. I know we're
a little bit over on tap, but I'll continue the
story really quick. Nine to eleven. Actually, again this is
very self serving, and I understand that weekend there were
there was no sports. The next weekend, I believe is
when sports kicked back in. I went to the Oklahoma
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Kansas State game where they unfurled the biggest American flag
I'd ever seen. It was actually the entire length of
the football field. And then I flew from Oklahoma City
to Bristol, Connecticut, through Cincinnati Airport, which is Northern Kentucky Airport,
and there were six people total in the airport, six
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people total outside of me and the flight crew. I
was the only one on the delta flight to Hartford,
and they had there were military people with dogs and whatever.
I if not for nine to eleven, Todd Wright was
supposed to come back and do a couple of shows
from Bristol. He was living in outside of Tampa and
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doing shows from Orlando. He didn't want to, he didn't
feel comfortable flying. So I flew back filled in for
him for two days, and that really started a little
bit of the process of me getting into media. Well,
if you served in our military, it doesn't have to
have anything with military appreciation. I appreciate you, and I
just can't imagine what makes a first responder have that
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within them to run in when.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Everybody's running out. But twenty three years ago, it continues
to affect us today, and I personally have been lost
and thought about it a lot, a lot.
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kind of eliminated. Dan Byer right, because if you've ever
been to or seen a game broadcast from, especially in
September and in October, in hard Rock Stadium, it's still
hard Rock right in Hard Rock Stadium, the roof is
it's open, but it's partially covered. But because of the
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angle of the this time of year, the visiting sideline,
it's almost like your aunts underneath a mike, not a.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Microscope, but said magnifying glass.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Magnifying glass, right, I mean the heat is intense. Thursday
Night Football seven fifteen start. You don't have that now,
It'll still be hot and muggy, and two years ago
the Bills fell apart because of that. But it's gonna
be interesting to see tomorrow night how much benefit the
Dolphins have gotten from the sun. Now the sun will
have set when they play. It's Doug gollip Show here
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on Fox Sports Radio and just an amazing story. An
all time great at Northern Illinois returned home after coaching
with the Baltimore Ravens in the NFL and has led
them to outstanding success, including last weekend's colossal upset of
Notre Dame in South Bend. He's Thomas Hammock. He joins
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us here on the Doug gollib Show on Fox Sports Tradio.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Coach, how are you.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I'm doing well. How you doing? Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I'm good man.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You're you're watching Notre Dame take on A and M
And look, the hardest thing I think for you guys
in football is, even though you have what Notre Dame
did last year, it's a new team, it's a new year,
and so oftentimes these early season games you don't have
a great book on him. How much did the fact
that they had to use a lot of their weapons
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and their arsenal to beat A and M help you
in your preparation.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Yeah, it really helped. You know, they have a new
office of coordinator that was from LSU, and so we
studied LSU and then he gets an the dame and
you don't know what what's his package is going to be.
So we had the spring game and then obviously it
was confirmed with that you know Texas A and M game,
and they had to they had to you know, empty
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their playbook to try to win that game. So we
had a great idea of the things they were looking
to do and ways to attack us schematically, and I
think that gave us an advantage.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So you guys were able to really kind of control
the tempo of the game. What was when you were
midweek last week and you're trying to set the bullet
points for how we're going to win this game?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
What was it?
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Well? I thought, you know, it came down to the trenches,
and I think we are very physical and mature in
the trenches. And it's kind of like in basketball, as
you know, you see these teams with the superstar freshmen
and then in the tournament they play a team that's
got some older veteran players that know how to get
it done. And that's how I thought about our football team.
We have an older, veteran team that knows what it's
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like physical in the trenches, and I thought we can
I thought we could control the line of scrimmage, which
would give us a chance to compete in that game.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
You're also able to use and Terry Brown just out
of the backfield both catching me you have one hundred
and twenty six receiving and ninety nine yards rushing. And
as a former running back yourself and running back coach,
what makes him special?
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I mean, he's very, very explosive, has great vision, and
he has good size. So a kid his size shouldn't
run a ten to seven one hundred meters, so we
knew he would be one of the more dynamic players
on the field. It was just a matter of us
giving him opportunities to display what he can do. And
to win a game like that, you have to have
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a guy that's a difference maker, and Ontario Brown was
a difference maker force.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
When you're getting ready for a game like that, you
want them to believe and have confidence.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
On the other hand, you don't want them to have
like arrogance, right.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
You can't pump him full of too much crap. You
got to kind of be reasonabley it. How did you
kind of manipulate their minds into believing but getting them
at that magic level of belief in taking on the
Irish Well.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
A couple of years ago, we played Michigan in twenty
twenty one and it was the best team I've seen
on tape, and I wanted to be honest with my
team at the time, and I was just telling him,
you know, these guys are really really good, They really
really dynast I'm like an explosive and it was a
it was a it was a mismatch in my opinion
when I watched it take this week, we are three
years older from that that point, and although we may
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not have the resources and everything else that goes with it,
I thought our guys had grit, and so I wanted
them to understand, Uh, we don't need luck to win
this game this week. We need you guys to play
your best, and if you play your best and handle
the environment early, we will be right where we need
to be in the fourth quarter. And then we got
to you have to make up play. Somebody's gonna have
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to make a play to win the game, and the
script played out exactly how I thought and we were
able to come through with the victory.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Marcus Obas did a great job and getting the ready
for A and M. The hardest thing for any coach
is you come off those those gigantic wins like one
and from one hundred thousand people a Kyle Field, there's
going to be a bit of a what do you
want to call it letdown or just the sigh and
the Okay, it's northern Illinois. Do you think the players
for Notre Dame took you guys seriously?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Again, I can't I can't answer that question. But I'm
not in their locker room. But I know before the game,
when I had a chance to talk to coach Freeman, Uh,
he took us seriously. He understood what you know, what
we bring to the table and the type of sostyla
play that we play.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
So I can't answer. I can't speak for them. I
know we were excited to play. Uh. You know after
it was a good, good physical battle, uh, and we
made just enough plays to figure out the way to win.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Does winning in Notre Dame Stadium mean as much to
kids as it would to you and I right, like obviously,
like we're old enough to remember when Notre Dame was
national champions, when Lou Holtz was there in all the history,
but as we know, like kids are different now and
Notre Dame has been good and they've been the college
for a playoff, but they haven't been Notre Dame. Did
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it mean Does it mean as much to them?
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I think it means. You know, in the moment, it
probably didn't mean as much to But since that moment,
the amount of atension that they've been able to get,
I'm sure now they're starting to figure out this was
a big deal because you know, a lot of people
want to talk to them, a lot of people, and
they're on all the social media, so they see all
the stuff that's happening, and I think now they starting
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to realize, hey, this was a once in a lifetime
type opportunity and they took full advantage of it.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
So the last drive, you're no running back, running back, coach,
fourth down, when you go for it, there was like
no thought in my I'm watching the.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Game like they're gonna run it.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
What's the decision making like in terms of what you're
gonna do fourth down. I know you got to convert
a couple of big third downs as well. But that
fourth down conversion, what's that decision making?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Like in the headset, you know, it was hard.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Because it was like a yard and a half, which
you know that makes you feel uncomfortable. And fourth down
to run the ball, you know that far right. So
we wanted to have a run pass option. Uh, you
know with the quarterback, give him a chance that they
that they you know, cut the back loose. He had to,
he had to back in the flat. But their coverage
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were so good. I mean, these guys they can cover
and they closed face quickly, and our quarterback made a
great decision to tuck the ball and run. Uh and
and that allowed us to keep the drive going.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, no, okay, you line up to the field goal,
and like we said, I've seen I actually went to
the other day in my freshman year and on might visit,
they lost to Michigan on a game winning field goal,
and on my first game, I think they lost to
Northwestern on a game winning field goal as well. But
we've seen so many field goals in that stadium, and
you know, like no one has any faith in college kickers.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
What's honestly going through your mind when you're lining up
for that last field goal.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
I was just thinking, I hope he makes it. We missed.
We missed two extra points the week before, and so
I was like, please just just make it. Because the
thing that's interesting, And I told my staff the morning
of the game, I said, I had a last night
that the game came down to a game winning field goal,
and then I woke up, so I'm not sure how
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it ended. And so when it was coming down to
a field goal, I was like, this is exactly like
my dream, but I'm not sure what's going to happen.
And then when he made it, I was just so relieved.
But then we had to go back out there and
play defense.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Then you had to go play defense and win the game.
I want to play for you something. This is your
old roommate, PJ. Fleck, who's the head coach of Minnesota.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Earlier this week, coach Hammick and I were Coyle's roommates.
It's your alma mater. So once a Husky, always a Husky.
It was so good to see because you know, Joe
Novak started this a long time ago, and the Boneyard victories.
And I remember when we first got there and we
were being recruited around like a twenty five twenty six
game losing streak something like that. It wasn't very good.
(27:51):
And here's how bad it was. I was recruited. I
was selected as a scholarship athlete. That's how bad it was.
But remember him talking about his vision of what northern
Illinois could become. And he did it with a lot
of area players, you know, the Nick Duffies of the world.
And Thomas Hammock was from Indiana. But you know, we
(28:11):
were all these you know, crack on the shoulder, blue
collar kids, just hungry and have an opportunity. Now many
of us had a lot of offers. What a win
for the Huskies And sorry to ramble on about it,
but it's fun to watch your alma mater UH do
a lot of really good things. And you know, it's
just so good to see him have success and the
players have success, and so many guys that even on
a staff that we know and just really happy for them.
(28:34):
That's a huge win in program history for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
What's your reaction here and hearing PJ said that, Well.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
I'm just happy that he he you know, he still
continues to have pride in our program. I mean he
was a major part of us having a chance to
turn his program around. And obviously he's coaching in college
and at a different universities. But you still got to
have pride, uh in where you from and pride and home.
And for him to go out of his way to
(29:02):
say that, and we were roommates, made me feel really
really good because you can never forget, you know, how
you was brought up the program you play for, especially
now in the age of the transfer for them, I
can't tell you, you know, how do you tell what kid?
You know, what's your alma mater when you've been to
two and three places, So totally agree for him. For
(29:23):
him to say that, you know that, that made me
feel really really good.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
You know, you've taken it as prom you've been through
COVID obviously finally when you went a Bowl game.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
You've done a lot of great things.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
But you're kind of in that same situation as a
lot of these kids right where we preach and teaches
coaches loyalty, and yet you know here you're going to
get knocks on the door because you've coached in the NFL.
You've coached Wisconsin, You've obviously built a continue this dynamic
program at NIU. What's it like in this era to
be the coach that's coaching at the alma mater, preaching loyalty,
(29:56):
knowing that, just like the players, somebody's going to call
you at the end of the year.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Well, I think if our administration makes a commitment, uh,
you know, to our program and and wants to move
to our program forward, I'm extremely happy here. But in
this age of n I l uh, you have to
you have to get in that space in order to
have a chance to keep your players. I mean, you know,
we we lost a couple of guys to Pound five
(30:22):
programs and you know we just beating Notre Dames. You
don't think, uh, there's other schools in the country looking
at our loster to.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
See every one of every one of them, right everyone?
Speaker 5 (30:31):
So So now, okay, you know show me you you
you guys want to you want to invest in our
program by keeping the guys that we have in the
program on the team.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, that's that's the best way to do it.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Build, build from within, keep those guys and hopefully you
can get them money what's it going to be like
to get You don't play till the twenty first, so
you get time to kind of catch your breath, right, Uh,
how do it?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
How do you get him back to that magic level?
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Yeah? For all, I am so excited that we got
to buy a week because I can see why team
I can see why teams struggle, right all of you know,
all these people that was never there in the beginning
are coming out the work work to talk to these
guys and want to be a part of it. But
we can get them back because now you know, we
had a practice this morning that was very, very intense.
(31:21):
It's easier to get them back when you have time
to on the preparation. And so we got two training
camp style practices today and tomorrow, and the way they
practice this morning gives me great confidence. These guys are
ready to move forward.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Well, coach, I think the nation fell in love with
your program and you personally this saturday in South ben Indiana.
But obviously, as we saw from Notre Dame, it doesn't
matter about the big wins. You got to kind of
back it up with another one afterwards, otherwise it just
becomes a one off. We wish you nothing but success
and really appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Thank you, and go husk.
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Speaker 10 (32:49):
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Speaker 2 (32:58):
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Speaker 10 (33:00):
Game is for better or Worse?
Speaker 6 (33:04):
All right, We're gonna start out hot for better or worse.
Deshaun Watson versus Baker Mayfield in however you want to
do it, Doug this season, career person whatever? For better
or worse? The showdown is Deshaun Watson versus Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I think Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
He did win a national championship, he did win a
Heisman Trophy, but he's been able to resurrect his career
in Tampa. So Baker Mayfield, I think he'll win in
the end, all right.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
For better or worse? Tyreek Kill versus Ceedee lamb.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Hmm mb Tyree Kill.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Okay, I think the longevity of Hill. I don't know
if the Super Bowl ring helps, but both with big playability.
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Correct, I'm wrong, Dad, But it is an option in
this game to pick the one that's worse and then
go off on why they're worse. Right, Yeah, sure, because
that's interesting content. I don't know, Maybe you want to
do it this one.
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This could be a touchy subject because family's involved. For
better or worse, Shanahan family versus Harbaugh family. It's kind
of going with the coaching tree. If you will, where
are you finding more success? Who you're siding with? Who
would you well?
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I mean the romantic in you wants to say the
Harba is because you have John who's won a Super Bowl,
and you have Jim who's been in New Super Bowl
and won.
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A national championship.
Speaker 8 (34:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Then you have the Shanahan's whose son, the son Kyle
has been to but hasn't won a super Bowl, but
the dad won two of them. Big Jim Harbaugh is
like a legendary high school coach, right, and he was
a college coach as well.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
He's the larger college.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, Jack, sorry, Jack, I'm gonna go with Harba's okay
with Harb because there's two brothers and one's been to
Super Bowl.
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They owns one one. I'll go Jack, all right.
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For better or worse, this pertains to the NFL Thursday
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It's fine start the season, but at some point you
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Sure, Friday night lights.
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I am and I'm not connected to any high school football.
So for me on Friday night, what I enjoyed was
all right, guess what tomorrow's college and then we're back
at the NFL like this is. This is great. There's
not that leg time of a of a Friday.
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Ye all right, yeah, so that would be my answer.
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For better or worse Dion hype versus versus Tebow hype.
Dion just the hype around, hype around everything.
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I love it.
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Uh wow, I think that Tebow hype is worse in
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He's just not good. Here's just not good.
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it was just it was hard hard to discover.
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Here here's something else too, I think if and I
think we can all say that Tim Tebow is a
great guy. But when they were winning football games, uh,
it wasn't that he was rubbing it in and in
trying to be primetime, but they were just they were
so good so they so it never stopped, like it
just kept rolling. And then and then the time they
(36:48):
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memorable speech that now has a plaque outside of the
swamp in the Gainesville, Florida of what Tim Tebow said
that day in what two thousand and seven when they
lost to Mississippi, And so like, even when they lose,
he's still it's still all about t BO mania, and
(37:10):
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I find it more than a little bit troubling that
Tyreek Hill believes that the officer in question, even though
he could have been better, he could have rolled down
his window, should be fired.
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Yeah, this is Tyreek Hill talking about taking a little
bit of responsibility, but talking about this confrontation with cops.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
I have family members who are cops. We've had conversations. Yes,
I will say I could have been better, you know,
I could have let down my window, you know, in
that instant. But the thing about me is, man, I
don't I don't want attention. I don't I don't want
to be like cameras out phones on you, you know,
in that moment. But at the end of the day,
(01:38):
you know, I'm human. I gotta I gotta follow rules.
I gotta do what you know every everyone else would do.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
So now does that give them the right to literally
beat the dog.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Out of me? Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
But at the end of the day, I wish I
could go back and do things a bit differently.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Okay, wait, so that was actually very reasonable, with exception
of beat the dog out of him. And again, like
I guess, Danny Torres is the guy's name, Well, aggressive
little much right, But what did he do? He forcefully
removed him from his vehicle when he wouldn't put keep
(02:20):
his window down, which is a tended black window. Okay,
so I'm guessing there's some police protocol in that why
first of all, like, why do you think he would
remove you if you didn't if you just did what
they asked you to do, And does any like even
(02:43):
if you're really really really bothered and I'm sure some
people are really really really really bothered by it, Like
I don't know, Dan Bayer, if you're really really bothered
by it, can we at least agree that?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And maybe it's we have a.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
High tolerance because we've seen the Rodney King video, We've
seen other videos. But do we think he got the
dog beat out of him?
Speaker 6 (03:07):
I needn't see that. Yeah that was my impression.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
No, again, we can all there's different levels of he
was over the top aggressive and pulling him out and
then trying to get him sit on the curb and
then putting him face down and again. But if you
listen to them, they were like, hey, you lost your chance.
He's like now he's like, do whatever you want take
me to jail with like, ah, you lost the chance,
Yeah I had the chance, then you wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
So I just.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
If if even tyreek Kill could be like I could
be better, why can't the cops say, you know, it
could be a little better. Instead, we have to go
to the mattresses and the cops got to be fired.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Way.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I don't get that one, but it's interesting that it happens,
and we have this discussion on nine to eleven because
there was a time there, and if you're too young
to remember, it's okay, We're not doing this. Is not
the way back machine that'll make you feel like some
sort of nostalgia. It was literally the scariest time of
my human existence, and I think most of ours.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Right nine to eleven was twenty three years ago?
Speaker 7 (04:25):
Was that right?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Twenty three years ago? I was twenty five years old.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I played in Russia, and in between overseas stints, and
after playing with the Lakers in the NBA Summer League,
I was living in still at Oklahoma, staying in apartment
right next to this apartment that I stayed at my
senior year in college, just about the Sushi house down
South Maine, and I would get up in the morning
(04:58):
and oftentimes go and lift weights and then drive to
Oaklham City, fill in for somebody in radio, drive back
and either have dinner with my wife, or i'd go and.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Play basketball with the play pick a ball with the
with the.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Oaklhom Statement Men's team, and I was driving my father
in law's truck the time, and I got into the
pickup truck and I heard on the news something about
the tower, but it felt like a War of the worlds.
It felt like somebody was doing some sort of spoofy brock.
So I turned it off and I was this again,
(05:34):
before the days of hopping on a cell phone.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I don't even think I had a cell phone.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And it's like a fifty five minute drive to work,
and I walk in and I remember everyone was staring
at the TVs and the.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Towers were on fire.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Two planes had hit and I thought it was I
thought it was fake on the radio, and then I
realized it was real life. And then I saw one
of the towers go down. And we spent the rest
of that day on the race doing cut ins to
ABC News telling people to please become not gouge prices
on gas if you own a gas station, and that
(06:11):
you know, people in the Armed forces and the first
responders would take care of us. That weekend, there were
no sports. I hung out outside of Drumwrit, Oklahoma, and
I just, you know, there was a thought there We're
like this is what the end looks like. You know,
the next step is we attack them, then somebody has
a nuclear bomb, then it becomes nuclear warfare. Then, you know,
(06:32):
I mean those of us who grew up watching Matthew
Broderick in wargames, we thought this was Geothermo nuclear war
and this is how it starts, and we know how
it ends.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
We don't know where the terrorists were BYRN. Were you
in LA at that point?
Speaker 6 (06:48):
No, No, I was not. I was actually working in
a town called Barrow Boo, Wisconsin, doing local radio in
that city and the county and the surrounding surrounding towns
at that time.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
What was your experience like?
Speaker 6 (07:02):
So mine was a little different, And it's just it's
I think it's difficult to relate to for the fact
of because I was working in news radio at that time,
and I was a one man newsroom where we also
put on an evening television broadcast for a low powered
TV station that went to communities throughout the county. And
(07:26):
the thing that I was doing was I was going
to like I had to go do a story at
the airport. So when this was happening, ran in went
to the local airport, which wasn't a commercial airport, it
was just a small airport in the area, and did
a story on that and what was happening, and then
you realize all the different places that you have to
go that are affected. So you go to the county
(07:48):
Emergency Services Department to see what they're doing. And you know,
we're in the middle of you know, south central Wisconsin,
where there wasn't a lot going on, but there are
all these facets of your world that are being affected
by what is going down. And I mean, this tiny
little airport couldn't even fly five minutes to the town over,
you know, everything was grounded. And so it was a really,
(08:10):
really busy day in that way, and so I didn't
get a chance to grasp what was going on because
I was I was doing my work. But the crazy
thing that I remember was being completely exhausted from work.
And then as I was driving home, I went past
the gas station and the cars were just lined up
for blocks because everybody was afraid that the price of
(08:32):
gas was, you know, just going to skyrocket as well.
So now guess what I did, turned around, went back,
got my camera and did a new story on it.
And it wasn't until I got home that night that
when you really soaked it in of realizing what had happened.
But I mean, it affected so many lives in so
many different ways. Mine was just unique in the way
that I had to cover all the different you know,
(08:53):
things that were could have been affected in local communities
across the country.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Sea sty Where are you?
Speaker 8 (09:04):
Let's see, I was working on the Jim Rome Show
at the time, but I took the week off. So
we had been hosting my parents from back east, and
my son was four, so we were hosting my parents
and then it happened at what at like six am
our time. I think my dad was watching news of
the time, and obviously we just sat and watched the
(09:26):
news all day. I do remember having to navigate the
days afterwards on the Jim Rome Show, like what do
we do? What do we talk about? What guests do
we book? Because you know, they shut down all the
sports and that was the news. But then that kind
of leaves you with nothing to talk about. Of course,
all that sounds kind of familiar because this is what
(09:46):
we did during the pandemic, But no, I do remember
that there was a it's a it was like one
of those It's one of those times where you heard
the word unprecedented so much that it just became cliched.
Unprecedent the times, yep, got it, and so it was
tough to do work at that point.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Sam, how old are you?
Speaker 9 (10:08):
Thirty seven?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
So you were in high school.
Speaker 9 (10:10):
I was a freshman in high school, sitting in the
first class of the day in my power and energy class,
and my teacher, I believe his name was mister Rogers,
he got a text or a call from somebody. We
put the TV on and then we saw I think
(10:32):
that what was the second plane hit live and it
was just it was just surreal.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
What happened. What was the reaction when the towers came down?
Speaker 9 (10:42):
Were you guys watching, Yeah, we watched a lot and
we were just gasping. Just no one, no one in
the room was making light of it. It was just
it looked like war. It was. It was just something
we've never seen in real life before.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It was here's and here's where the paralleled to Tyreek Hill. Okay,
and I want to talk about the actual nine to
eleven further, and I appreciate you guys hearing your story
is the it's it was the last time, it felt
like that we really really respected what people who put
themselves in the line of fire do.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Right in the line of fire do, like.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Firefighters go upstairs and carry people down flights of stairs.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Everybody's running out and they're running in.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
And so these were real, real stories that just were tragic.
But we spent the next probably a couple of months,
appreciating our country, appreciating ourselves, our families, and especially those people.
But what it did was it made you realize, oh
(11:57):
my god, when things go really, really bad, it's actually
their job to go into places that we are. Everything
in our being is telling us to run out of
building is on fire, and most of us are like Costanza.
You guys, remember when Castanza tried to get out from
was I thought there was a fire, and he's pushing
women and children out of the way. That's how most
(12:19):
of us act. And these men and some women were
running into these buildings. Okay, we completely lack that. Now
with twenty three years, twenty three years have passed, it
is a much more dangerous world now than ever than ever.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
For police officers.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
More people are armed, the guns they have are more advanced.
There's more distrust and dislike for police officers than ever before.
The margin for error and what they're allowed to do
has been lessened. And today we continue several days after
even with Tyreek Hill admitting he should have rolled.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Down the window. That he's like, yeah, but I want
the guy fired.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And there we people across the board that agree with him,
when no one in law enforcement would actually truthfully say that,
they'd be like, yeah, it's a little much. But dude's
got black ten of windows. He rolled up his window.
You don't know what's behind that window. And he gives
you a direction to get out of the car, and
you don't do it, like.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Get him out. He tells you to kneel down the
car on the curb. You don't do it. Make him
kneel Like that's what they're told to do.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
They have to be in complete control of the situation
because there's all these other things going on.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It was twenty three years ago, and.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
It set off a chain of events, right, we had
the Second War in Iraq. We had I mean President
Bush who again at the time and when you look
at his presidency and totality, I wasn't a fan, but
I again, you know, like pretty hard to argue not
just the Yankee Stadium, but standing on top of the
rubble with the megaphone. Those are two of the strongest
(14:11):
moments in the history of the presidency of the United States.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But if you weren't old enough to comprehend or understand,
what you need to know is what I've been trying
to tell people about Israel is about It's not just
about Israel, It's about the Western way of life. Is not.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Is not loved and appreciated by a gigantic number of
people in a different part of the world. And if
it's not the Jews, it's the Christians, it is their
next don't believe me. I got proof nine to eleven,
(14:55):
two thousand and one, and we truly appreciated one another.
It changed our tone and our discourse. We appreciated people
who served in our military, who would go in, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
To fight these people. We appreciated people who are first responders.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Again, it doesn't grant them carte blanche to abuse other people,
but does allow them to do their job. And we did,
at least at that time, understand all of what it
meant to not come home from their job.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I don't have a job like that. I don't know.
I have two jobs I don't have.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Neither of the jobs are ones in which there's any
level of expectation I'm not going to come home from.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Those men and women do. It doesn't allow you.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
The ability to abuse or to be on a power trip,
but it should create the empathy and understanding of those
of us. Is got be wired a little bit differently.
You're going to see some stuff a lot differently than
the rest of the world, and you have to have
you got to pay attention to everything around you, have
all your Spidey senses going. Because Jay Stu, you pointed
(16:06):
out yesterday that these men are lied to every day.
No one ever says, hey, I have a gun, you know,
or very few people say I have a gun in
my glove box and I'm going to use it when
I roll up the window.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's not what happens anyway.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Nine to eleven, twenty three years ago. I know we're
a little bit over on tap, but I'll continue the
story really quick. Nine to eleven. Actually, again this is
very self serving, and I understand that weekend there were
there was no sports. The next weekend, I believe is
when sports kicked back in. I went to the Oklahoma
(16:46):
Kansas State game where they unfurled the biggest American flag
I'd ever seen. It was actually the entire length of
the football field. And then I flew from Oklahoma City
to Bristol, Connecticut, through Cincinnati Airport, which is Northern Kentucky Airport,
and there were six people total in the airport, six
(17:08):
people total outside of me and the flight crew. I
was the only one on the delta flight to Hartford,
and they had there were military people with dogs and whatever.
I if not for nine to eleven, Todd Wright was
supposed to come back and do a couple of shows
from Bristol. He was living in outside of Tampa and
(17:30):
doing shows from Orlando. He didn't want to, he didn't
feel comfortable flying. So I flew back filled in for
him for two days, and that really started a little
bit of the process of me getting into media. Well,
if you served in our military, it doesn't have to
have anything with military appreciation. I appreciate you, and I
just can't imagine what makes a first responder have that
(17:53):
within them to run in when.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Everybody's running out. But twenty three years ago, it continues
to affect us today, and I personally have been lost
and thought about it a lot, a lot.
Speaker 10 (18:03):
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Speaker 3 (18:16):
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a really really good football game more night, and the
advantage the Dolphins normally have early season playing at home
(18:38):
kind of eliminated. Dan Byer right, because if you've ever
been to or seen a game broadcast from, especially in
September and in October, in hard Rock Stadium, it's still
hard Rock right in Hard Rock Stadium, the roof is
it's open, but it's partially covered. But because of the
(18:59):
angle of the this time of year, the visiting sideline,
it's almost like your aunts underneath a mike, not a.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Microscope, but said magnifying glass.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Magnifying glass, right, I mean the heat is intense. Thursday
Night Football seven fifteen start. You don't have that now,
It'll still be hot and muggy, and two years ago
the Bills fell apart because of that. But it's gonna
be interesting to see tomorrow night how much benefit the
Dolphins have gotten from the sun. Now the sun will
have set when they play. It's Doug gollip Show here
(19:31):
on Fox Sports Radio and just an amazing story. An
all time great at Northern Illinois returned home after coaching
with the Baltimore Ravens in the NFL and has led
them to outstanding success, including last weekend's colossal upset of
Notre Dame in South Bend. He's Thomas Hammock. He joins
(19:52):
us here on the Doug gollib Show on Fox Sports Tradio.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Coach, how are you.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I'm doing well. How you doing? Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I'm good man.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You're you're watching Notre Dame take on A and M
And look, the hardest thing I think for you guys
in football is, even though you have what Notre Dame
did last year, it's a new team, it's a new year,
and so oftentimes these early season games you don't have
a great book on him. How much did the fact
that they had to use a lot of their weapons
(20:21):
and their arsenal to beat A and M help you
in your preparation.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Yeah, it really helped. You know, they have a new
office of coordinator that was from LSU, and so we
studied LSU and then he gets an the dame and
you don't know what what's his package is going to be.
So we had the spring game and then obviously it
was confirmed with that you know Texas A and M game,
and they had to they had to you know, empty
(20:45):
their playbook to try to win that game. So we
had a great idea of the things they were looking
to do and ways to attack us schematically, and I
think that gave us an advantage.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So you guys were able to really kind of control
the tempo of the game. What was when you were
midweek last week and you're trying to set the bullet
points for how we're going to win this game?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
What was it?
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Well? I thought, you know, it came down to the trenches,
and I think we are very physical and mature in
the trenches. And it's kind of like in basketball, as
you know, you see these teams with the superstar freshmen
and then in the tournament they play a team that's
got some older veteran players that know how to get
it done. And that's how I thought about our football team.
We have an older, veteran team that knows what it's
(21:34):
like physical in the trenches, and I thought we can
I thought we could control the line of scrimmage, which
would give us a chance to compete in that game.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
You're also able to use and Terry Brown just out
of the backfield both catching me you have one hundred
and twenty six receiving and ninety nine yards rushing. And
as a former running back yourself and running back coach,
what makes him special?
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I mean, he's very, very explosive, has great vision, and
he has good size. So a kid his size shouldn't
run a ten to seven one hundred meters, so we
knew he would be one of the more dynamic players
on the field. It was just a matter of us
giving him opportunities to display what he can do. And
to win a game like that, you have to have
(22:20):
a guy that's a difference maker, and Ontario Brown was
a difference maker force.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
When you're getting ready for a game like that, you
want them to believe and have confidence.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
On the other hand, you don't want them to have
like arrogance, right.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
You can't pump him full of too much crap. You
got to kind of be reasonabley it. How did you
kind of manipulate their minds into believing but getting them
at that magic level of belief in taking on the
Irish Well.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
A couple of years ago, we played Michigan in twenty
twenty one and it was the best team I've seen
on tape, and I wanted to be honest with my
team at the time, and I was just telling him,
you know, these guys are really really good, They really
really dynast I'm like an explosive and it was a
it was a it was a mismatch in my opinion
when I watched it take this week, we are three
years older from that that point, and although we may
(23:11):
not have the resources and everything else that goes with it,
I thought our guys had grit, and so I wanted
them to understand, Uh, we don't need luck to win
this game this week. We need you guys to play
your best, and if you play your best and handle
the environment early, we will be right where we need
to be in the fourth quarter. And then we got
to you have to make up play. Somebody's gonna have
(23:32):
to make a play to win the game, and the
script played out exactly how I thought and we were
able to come through with the victory.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Marcus Obas did a great job and getting the ready
for A and M. The hardest thing for any coach
is you come off those those gigantic wins like one
and from one hundred thousand people a Kyle Field, there's
going to be a bit of a what do you
want to call it letdown or just the sigh and
the Okay, it's northern Illinois. Do you think the players
for Notre Dame took you guys seriously?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Again, I can't I can't answer that question. But I'm
not in their locker room. But I know before the game,
when I had a chance to talk to coach Freeman, Uh,
he took us seriously. He understood what you know, what
we bring to the table and the type of sostyla
play that we play.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
So I can't answer. I can't speak for them. I
know we were excited to play. Uh. You know after
it was a good, good physical battle, uh, and we
made just enough plays to figure out the way to win.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Does winning in Notre Dame Stadium mean as much to
kids as it would to you and I right, like obviously,
like we're old enough to remember when Notre Dame was
national champions, when Lou Holtz was there in all the history,
but as we know, like kids are different now and
Notre Dame has been good and they've been the college
for a playoff, but they haven't been Notre Dame. Did
(24:53):
it mean Does it mean as much to them?
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I think it means. You know, in the moment, it
probably didn't mean as much to But since that moment,
the amount of atension that they've been able to get,
I'm sure now they're starting to figure out this was
a big deal because you know, a lot of people
want to talk to them, a lot of people, and
they're on all the social media, so they see all
the stuff that's happening, and I think now they starting
(25:17):
to realize, hey, this was a once in a lifetime
type opportunity and they took full advantage of it.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
So the last drive, you're no running back, running back, coach,
fourth down, when you go for it, there was like
no thought in my I'm watching the.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Game like they're gonna run it.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
What's the decision making like in terms of what you're
gonna do fourth down. I know you got to convert
a couple of big third downs as well. But that
fourth down conversion, what's that decision making?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Like in the headset, you know, it was hard.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Because it was like a yard and a half, which
you know that makes you feel uncomfortable. And fourth down
to run the ball, you know that far right. So
we wanted to have a run pass option. Uh, you
know with the quarterback, give him a chance that they
that they you know, cut the back loose. He had to,
he had to back in the flat. But their coverage
(26:08):
were so good. I mean, these guys they can cover
and they closed face quickly, and our quarterback made a
great decision to tuck the ball and run. Uh and
and that allowed us to keep the drive going.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, no, okay, you line up to the field goal,
and like we said, I've seen I actually went to
the other day in my freshman year and on might visit,
they lost to Michigan on a game winning field goal,
and on my first game, I think they lost to
Northwestern on a game winning field goal as well. But
we've seen so many field goals in that stadium, and
you know, like no one has any faith in college kickers.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
What's honestly going through your mind when you're lining up
for that last field goal.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
I was just thinking, I hope he makes it. We missed.
We missed two extra points the week before, and so
I was like, please just just make it. Because the
thing that's interesting, And I told my staff the morning
of the game, I said, I had a last night
that the game came down to a game winning field goal,
and then I woke up, so I'm not sure how
(27:06):
it ended. And so when it was coming down to
a field goal, I was like, this is exactly like
my dream, but I'm not sure what's going to happen.
And then when he made it, I was just so relieved.
But then we had to go back out there and
play defense.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Then you had to go play defense and win the game.
I want to play for you something. This is your
old roommate, PJ. Fleck, who's the head coach of Minnesota.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Earlier this week, coach Hammick and I were Coyle's roommates.
It's your alma mater. So once a Husky, always a Husky.
It was so good to see because you know, Joe
Novak started this a long time ago, and the Boneyard victories.
And I remember when we first got there and we
were being recruited around like a twenty five twenty six
game losing streak something like that. It wasn't very good.
(27:51):
And here's how bad it was. I was recruited. I
was selected as a scholarship athlete. That's how bad it was.
But remember him talking about his vision of what northern
Illinois could become. And he did it with a lot
of area players, you know, the Nick Duffies of the world.
And Thomas Hammock was from Indiana. But you know, we
(28:11):
were all these you know, crack on the shoulder, blue
collar kids, just hungry and have an opportunity. Now many
of us had a lot of offers. What a win
for the Huskies And sorry to ramble on about it,
but it's fun to watch your alma mater UH do
a lot of really good things. And you know, it's
just so good to see him have success and the
players have success, and so many guys that even on
a staff that we know and just really happy for them.
(28:34):
That's a huge win in program history for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
What's your reaction here and hearing PJ said that, Well.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
I'm just happy that he he you know, he still
continues to have pride in our program. I mean he
was a major part of us having a chance to
turn his program around. And obviously he's coaching in college
and at a different universities. But you still got to
have pride, uh in where you from and pride and home.
And for him to go out of his way to
(29:02):
say that, and we were roommates, made me feel really
really good because you can never forget, you know, how
you was brought up the program you play for, especially
now in the age of the transfer for them, I
can't tell you, you know, how do you tell what kid?
You know, what's your alma mater when you've been to
two and three places, So totally agree for him. For
(29:23):
him to say that, you know that, that made me
feel really really good.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
You know, you've taken it as prom you've been through
COVID obviously finally when you went a Bowl game.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
You've done a lot of great things.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
But you're kind of in that same situation as a
lot of these kids right where we preach and teaches
coaches loyalty, and yet you know here you're going to
get knocks on the door because you've coached in the NFL.
You've coached Wisconsin, You've obviously built a continue this dynamic
program at NIU. What's it like in this era to
be the coach that's coaching at the alma mater, preaching loyalty,
(29:56):
knowing that, just like the players, somebody's going to call
you at the end of the year.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Well, I think if our administration makes a commitment, uh,
you know, to our program and and wants to move
to our program forward, I'm extremely happy here. But in
this age of n I l uh, you have to
you have to get in that space in order to
have a chance to keep your players. I mean, you know,
we we lost a couple of guys to Pound five
(30:22):
programs and you know we just beating Notre Dames. You
don't think, uh, there's other schools in the country looking
at our loster to.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
See every one of every one of them, right everyone?
Speaker 5 (30:31):
So So now, okay, you know show me you you
you guys want to you want to invest in our
program by keeping the guys that we have in the
program on the team.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, that's that's the best way to do it.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Build, build from within, keep those guys and hopefully you
can get them money what's it going to be like
to get You don't play till the twenty first, so
you get time to kind of catch your breath, right, Uh,
how do it?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
How do you get him back to that magic level?
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Yeah? For all, I am so excited that we got
to buy a week because I can see why team
I can see why teams struggle, right all of you know,
all these people that was never there in the beginning
are coming out the work work to talk to these
guys and want to be a part of it. But
we can get them back because now you know, we
had a practice this morning that was very, very intense.
(31:21):
It's easier to get them back when you have time
to on the preparation. And so we got two training
camp style practices today and tomorrow, and the way they
practice this morning gives me great confidence. These guys are
ready to move forward.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Well, coach, I think the nation fell in love with
your program and you personally this saturday in South ben Indiana.
But obviously, as we saw from Notre Dame, it doesn't
matter about the big wins. You got to kind of
back it up with another one afterwards, otherwise it just
becomes a one off. We wish you nothing but success
and really appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Thank you, and go husk.
Speaker 10 (31:54):
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Speaker 3 (32:02):
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a freshman, not her name, never heard of Date Matthew's
fan before everybody else in my dorm apparently had. I
was like, this is like somebody walking in now and
(32:24):
going like, hey.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
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Speaker 3 (32:29):
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Speaker 10 (32:49):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Dan Byer, what's the game today, Doug?
Speaker 10 (33:00):
Game is for better or Worse?
Speaker 6 (33:04):
All right, We're gonna start out hot for better or worse.
Deshaun Watson versus Baker Mayfield in however you want to
do it, Doug this season, career person whatever? For better
or worse? The showdown is Deshaun Watson versus Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I think Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
He did win a national championship, he did win a
Heisman Trophy, but he's been able to resurrect his career
in Tampa. So Baker Mayfield, I think he'll win in
the end, all right.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
For better or worse? Tyreek Kill versus Ceedee lamb.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Hmm mb Tyree Kill.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Okay, I think the longevity of Hill. I don't know
if the Super Bowl ring helps, but both with big playability.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Correct, I'm wrong, Dad, But it is an option in
this game to pick the one that's worse and then
go off on why they're worse. Right, Yeah, sure, because
that's interesting content. I don't know, Maybe you want to
do it this one.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
This could be a touchy subject because family's involved. For
better or worse, Shanahan family versus Harbaugh family. It's kind
of going with the coaching tree. If you will, where
are you finding more success? Who you're siding with? Who
would you well?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I mean the romantic in you wants to say the
Harba is because you have John who's won a Super Bowl,
and you have Jim who's been in New Super Bowl
and won.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
A national championship.
Speaker 8 (34:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Then you have the Shanahan's whose son, the son Kyle
has been to but hasn't won a super Bowl, but
the dad won two of them. Big Jim Harbaugh is
like a legendary high school coach, right, and he was
a college coach as well.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
He's the larger college.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, Jack, sorry, Jack, I'm gonna go with Harba's okay
with Harb because there's two brothers and one's been to
Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
They owns one one. I'll go Jack, all right.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
For better or worse, this pertains to the NFL Thursday
night football versus Friday night football.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I think Friday Night's worse. I think I just do.
I liked it like a one off.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
It's fine start the season, but at some point you
got to give the window for high school football.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Sure, Friday night lights.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
I am and I'm not connected to any high school football.
So for me on Friday night, what I enjoyed was
all right, guess what tomorrow's college and then we're back
at the NFL like this is. This is great. There's
not that leg time of a of a Friday.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Ye all right, yeah, so that would be my answer.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
For better or worse Dion hype versus versus Tebow hype.
Dion just the hype around, hype around everything.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Uh wow, I think that Tebow hype is worse in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
He's just not good. Here's just not good.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
And there's so much talk about it, and it was
it was just it was hard hard to discover.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
Here here's something else too, I think if and I
think we can all say that Tim Tebow is a
great guy. But when they were winning football games, uh,
it wasn't that he was rubbing it in and in
trying to be primetime, but they were just they were
so good so they so it never stopped, like it
just kept rolling. And then and then the time they
(36:48):
do lose, what happens. Tim Tebow makes this you know,
memorable speech that now has a plaque outside of the
swamp in the Gainesville, Florida of what Tim Tebow said
that day in what two thousand and seven when they
lost to Mississippi, And so like, even when they lose,
he's still it's still all about t BO mania, and
(37:10):
I think the Dion mania may be done after this season.
All Right. I never thought I would say this. This
could be a group project, Sam and Jason and Doug
for better or worse w NBA playoffs versus Major League
Baseball playoffs.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Come on, man, anybody says if you say that, then
you're ediot.
Speaker 9 (37:36):
You know where I stand, Doug.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Major League Baseball playoffs are maybe the difference in Major
League Baseball playoff compared to the regular season is such
a dramatic jump in every part about the intensity to it.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
It's incredible. It's a no brainer.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
So Doug Gottlichow, Fox Sports Traded The Midway is upcoming next.
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