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September 11, 2024 49 mins

On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show:  Doug talks about Tyreek Hill's ordeal in South Florida and makes a comparison as we acknowledge the 23rd anniversary of 9/11. 

On this week's version of The Midway, Doug and the crew talk about the biggest overreactions from week one of the NFL.  

Doug welcomes Northern Illinois head coach Thomas Hammock onto the show to talk about his team's massive win at Notre Dame last weekend. 

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I find it more than a little bit troubling that
tyreek Hill believes that the officer in question, even though
he could have been better, he could have rolled down
his window, should be fire.

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Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, this is Tyreek Hill talking about taking a little
bit of responsibility, but talking about this confrontation with the cops.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
I have family members who are cops. We've had conversations. Yes,
I will say I could have been better, you know,
I could have let down my window, you know, in
that instant. But the thing about me is, man, I
don't I don't want attention.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I don't want to be like cameras out phones on you,
you know, in that moment. But at the end of
the day, you know, I'm human. I gotta I gotta
follow rules. I gotta do what you know, every everyone
else would do.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
So now does that give them the right to literally
beat the dog out of me?

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
But at the end of the day, I wish I
could go back and do things a bit differently.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Okay, wait, wait, so that was actually very reasonable, with
exception of beat the dog out of him. And again,
like I guess, Danny Torres is the guy's name. Well,
aggressive a little much, right, But what did he do?
He forcefully removed him from his vehicle when he wouldn't

(02:21):
put keep his window down, which is a tended black window.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Okay, so I'm guessing there's some police protocol in that.
Why first of all, like, why do you think he
would remove you if you didn't if you just did
what they asked you to do? And does any like even.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
If you're really really really bothered and I'm sure some
people are really really uh really really bothered by it,
Like I don't know, Dan Bayer, if you're really really
bothered by it, can we at least agree that? And
maybe it's we have a high tolerance because we've seen
the Rodney King video, We've seen other videos. But do

(03:05):
we think he got the dog beat out of him?

Speaker 4 (03:09):
I didn't see that. Yeah that was my impression.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
No, again, we can all there's different levels of he
was over the top aggressive and pulling him out and
then trying to get him sit on the curb and
then putting him face down and again. But if you
listen to them, they were like, hey, you lost your chance.
He's like now he's like, do whatever you want, take
me to jail with like a you lost the chance,
you had the chance, then you wouldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
So I just.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
If if even Tyreek Hill could be like I could
be better, why can't the cops say, you know, it
could be a little better. Instead we have to go
to the mattresses and the cops got to be fired.
Why I don't get that one, But it's interesting that
it happens, and we have this discussion on nine to
eleven because there was a time there, and if you're

(04:02):
too young to remember, it's okay, we're not doing this
is not the way back machine that'll make you feel
like some sort of nostalgia. It was literally the scariest
time of my human existence, and I think most of ours.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Right nine to eleven was twenty three years ago? Was
that right?

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Twenty three years ago? I was twenty five years old.
I played in Russia, and in between overseas stints, and
after playing with the Lakers in the NBA Summer League,
I was living in still at Oklahoma, staying in apartment
right next to this apartment that I stayed at my

(04:51):
senior year in college, just about the Sushi House down
South Maine, and I would get up in the morning
and oftentimes go and lift weights and then drive to
Oaklham City, fill in for somebody in radio, drive back
and either have dinner with my wife, or I'd go

(05:11):
and play basketball with the play pick a ball with
the with the oaklhom Statement Men's team, and I was
driving my father in law's truck the time. And I
got into the pickup truck and I heard on the
news something about the tower, but it felt like a
War of the worlds. It felt like somebody was doing
some sort of spoofy brock. So I turned it off

(05:34):
and I was this again, before the days of hopping
on a cell phone.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I don't even think I had a cell phone.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
And it's like a fifty five minute drive to work,
and I walk in and I remember everyone was staring
at the TVs and.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
The towers were on fire.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Two planes had hit and I thought it was I
thought it was fake on the radio, and then I
realized it was real life. And then I saw one
of the towers go down. And we spent the rest
of that day on the radio doing cut ins to
ABC News telling people to please become not gouge prices
on gas if you own a gas station, and that

(06:13):
you know, people in the Armed forces and the first
responders would take care of us. That weekend, there were
no sports. I hung out outside of drum Rit, Oklahoma,
and I just, you know, there was a thought there
We're like, this is what the end looks like. You know,
the next step is we attack them, then somebody has
a nuclear bomb, then it becomes nuclear warfare then, you know,

(06:34):
I mean those of us who grew up watching Matthew
Broderick in wargames, we thought this was Geothermo nuclear war
and this is how it starts, and we know how
it ends. We don't know where the terrorists were byr
Were you in LA at that point?

Speaker 4 (06:50):
No, No, I was not.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
I was actually working in a town called Barrow Boo, Wisconsin,
doing local radio in that city and the county and
the surrounding surrounding towns at that time.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
What was your experience like?

Speaker 6 (07:04):
So mine was a little different, and it's just it's
I think it's difficult to relate to for the fact
of because I was working in news radio at that time,
and I was a one man newsroom where we also
put on an evening television broadcast for a low powered
TV station that went to communities throughout the county. And

(07:28):
the thing that I was doing was I was going
to like I had to go do a story at
the airport. So when this was happening, ran in went
to the local airport, which wasn't a commercial airport, it
was just a small airport in the area, and did
a story on that and what was happening, and then
you realize all the different places that you have to
go that are affected. So you go to the county

(07:50):
Emergency Services Department to see what they're doing. And you know,
we're in the middle of you know, south central Wisconsin,
where there wasn't a lot going on, but there are
all these facets of your world that are being affected
by what is going down.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
And I mean, this tiny.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
Little airport couldn't even fly five minutes to the town over,
you know, everything was grounded. And so it was a really,
really busy day in that way, and so I didn't
get a chance to grasp what was going on because
I was I was doing my work. But the crazy
thing that I remember was being completely exhausted from work.
And then as I was driving home, I went past

(08:27):
the gas station and the cars were just lined up
for blocks because everybody was afraid that the price of
gas was, you know, just going to skyrocket as well.
So now guess what I did, turned around, went back,
got my camera and did a news story on it.
And it wasn't until I got home that night that
when you really soaked it in of realizing what had happened.

(08:47):
But I mean, it affected so many lives in so
many different ways. Mine was just unique in the way
that I had to cover all the different you know,
things that were could have been affected in local communities
across the country.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Chase Stu, where were you?

Speaker 7 (09:06):
Let's see, I was working on the Jim Rome Show
at the time, but I took the week off. So
we had been hosting my parents from back East and
my son was four, so we were hosting my parents
and then it happened at what at like six am
our time. I think my dad was watching news of
the time, and obviously we just sat and watched the

(09:28):
news all day. I do remember having to navigate the
days afterwards on the Jim Rome Show, like what do
we do, what do we talk about? What guests do
we book? Because you know, they shut down all the
sports and that was the news. But then that kind
of leaves you with nothing to talk about. Of course,
all that sounds kind of familiar because this is what

(09:48):
we did during the pandemic, But no, I do remember
that there was a it's a it was like one
of those It's one of those times where you heard
the word unprecedented so much that it just became closh
unprecedented times. Yep, got it, and so it was tough
to do work at that point.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Sam, how old are you?

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Thirty seven?

Speaker 2 (10:11):
So you were in high school.

Speaker 8 (10:12):
I was a freshman in high school, sitting in the
first class of the day in my power and energy class,
and my teacher, I believe his name was mister Rogers.
He got a text or a call from somebody. We
put the TV on and then we saw I think

(10:34):
that what was the second plane hit live and it
was just it was just surreal.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
What happened. What was the reaction when the towers came down?

Speaker 8 (10:44):
Were you guys watching, Yeah, we watched a lot. We
were just gasping. Just no one, no one in the
room was making light of it. It was just it
looked like war.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
It was.

Speaker 8 (10:55):
It was just something we've never seen in real life before.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
It was here's and here's where the parallel draws to
Tyreek Hill. Okay, and I want to talk about the
actual nine to eleven further, and I appreciate you guys
hearing your story. Is the it's It was the last
time it felt like that we really really respected what
people who put themselves in the line of fire do,

(11:22):
right in the line of fire do, like firefighters go
upstairs and carry people down flights of stairs. Everybody's running
out and they're running in and so these were real,
real stories that just were tragic. But we spent the

(11:44):
next probably a couple of months appreciating our country, appreciating ourselves,
our families, and especially those people. But what it did
was it made you realize, oh my god, things go
really really bad. It's actually their job to go into

(12:04):
places that we are. Everything in our being is telling
us to run out of building is on fire, and
most of us are like Costanza. You guys, remember when
Castanza tried to get out from was I thought there
was a fire, and he's pushing women and children out
of the way. That's how most of us act. And
these men and some women were running into these buildings. Okay,

(12:29):
we completely lack that. Now with twenty three years, twenty
three years have passed, it is a much more dangerous
world now than ever than ever.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
For police officers.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
More people are armed, the guns they have are more advanced,
there's more distrust and dislike for police officers than ever before.
The margin for error and what they're allowed to do
has been lessened. And day we continue, several days after
even with tyreek Hill admitting he should have rolled.

Speaker 9 (13:05):
Down the window.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
That he's like, yeah, but do I want the guy fired?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
And there we people across the board that agree with him,
when no one in law enforcement would actually truthfully say that,
they'd be like, yeah, it's a little much. But dude's
got black ten windows. He rolled up his window. You
don't know what's behind that window. And he gives you
a direction to get out of the car, and you
don't do it, like.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Get it out.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
He tells you to kneel down the car on the
on the curb. You don't do it.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Make him kneel Like that's what they're told to do.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
They have to be in complete control of the situation
because there's all these other things going on. It was
twenty three years ago, and it set off a chain
of events, right, we had the Second War in Iraq.
We had I mean President Bush, who again at the

(13:58):
time and when you look at his pre totality, I
wasn't a fan, but I again, you know, like pretty
hard to argue, not just the Yankee Stadium, but standing
on top of the rubble with the megaphone. Those are
two of the strongest moments in the history of the
presidency of the United States. But if you weren't old

(14:20):
enough to comprehend or understand, what you need to know
is what I've been trying to tell people about Israel
is about. It's not just about Israel, It's about the
Western way of life.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Is not.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Is not loved and appreciated by a gigantic number of
people in a different part of the world. And if
it's not the Jews, it's the Christians. Their next don't
believe me. I got proof nine to eleven, two thousand

(14:58):
and one, and we truly appreciated one another. It changed
our tone and our discourse. We appreciated people who served
in our military who would go in, you know, to
fight these people. We appreciated people who are first responders. Again,
it doesn't grant them carte blanche to abuse other people,
but it does allow them to do their job. And

(15:19):
we did, at least at that time, understand all of
what it meant to not come home from their job.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
I don't have a job like that. I don't know.
I have two jobs I don't have.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Neither of the jobs are ones in which there's any
level of expectation I'm not going to come home from.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Those men and women do. It doesn't allow.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
You the ability to abuse or to be on a
power trip, but it should create the empathy and understanding
of those of us. Is get be wired a little
bit differently. You're going to see some stuff a lot
differently than the rest of the world, and you have
to have you got to pay attention to everything around you,
have all your spidy senses going. Because Jay Stu, you

(16:07):
pointed out yesterday that these men are lied to every day.
No one ever says, hey, I have a gun, you know,
or very few people say I have a gun in
my glove box and I'm going to use it when
I roll up the window.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's not what happens.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Nine to eleven, twenty three years ago. I know we're
a little bit over on time, but I'll continue the
story really quick. Nine to eleven. Actually, again this is
very self serving, and I understand that weekend there were
there was no sports. The next weekend, I believe is
when sports kicked back in. I went to the Oklahoma

(16:48):
Kansas State game where they unfurled the biggest American flag
I'd ever seen. It was actually the entire length of
the football field. And then I flew from Oklahoma City
to Bristol, Connecticut, through Cincinnati Airport, which is Northern Kentucky Airport,
and there were six people total in the airport, six

(17:10):
people total outside of me and the flight crew. I
was the only one on the delta flight to Hartford,
and they had there were military people with dogs and whatever.
I if not for nine to eleven, Todd Wright was
supposed to come back and do a couple of shows
from Bristol. He was living in outside of Tampa and

(17:32):
doing the shows from Orlando. He didn't want to, he
didn't feel comfortable flying. So I flew back filled in
for him for two days, and that really started a
little bit of the process of me getting into media. Well,
if you served in our military, it doesn't have to
have anything with military appreciation. I appreciate you, and I
just can't imagine what makes a first responder have that

(17:54):
within them to run in when everybody's running out. But
twenty three years ago, it continues to affect us today,
and I personally have been lost and thought about it
a lot, a lot.

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Speaker 2 (19:40):
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smoking the bandit. Let's get to the midway, shall we.
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Speaker 6 (19:53):
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Speaker 1 (19:57):
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Speaker 2 (20:16):
We find a midway topic.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Now the nine to eleven could have been midway topic,
right understood, Jase, Do I have a couple of others?

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Chase, do you got one of your.

Speaker 7 (20:25):
Back Let's see here. My group tech says the fallowing
biggest over reaction from week one in the NFL, biggest
over reaction from week one in the NFL, or the
biggest beat down by a team or athlete that you
didn't see coming ode to the Vice president's performance last night.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
It's a good win.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
I actually the vice president's one. There's there's a football
game I'm thinking of. I got to get to what
it is. I got to remember what it is like
just because she was at the start and then all
of a sudden, like holy cow, did.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
She throttle them? Fire?

Speaker 1 (21:06):
You like either those two or there's a different one
you want to throw out there.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
I was I was planning on either of those two.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Pick one.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
I I was going to say an overreaction from week one,
the beat the beatdowns, I guess could be college football
as well, if you if you wanted one.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
But we do over I think we do over reactions.
I'm okay with out reactions. Sam you okay without reactions.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
I'm good with either. I got stuff ready.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Okay, Sammy wants you to start there, show us well.

Speaker 8 (21:38):
The team that put up the most points last weekend
was the Saints, and everybody, uh is just saying that
Bryce Young's career is over that after that forty seven
to ten demolition. First of all, also a lot of
us were saying that the Saints are just stale and
we have nothing to look forward to that team and

(21:58):
they came out with their new play caller guns blazing.
Very impressive win. But I would say, you know, listen,
Bryce Young has not looked good and he's not lived
up to his filling as was he that he was
the top overall pick right two years ago. Yes, yeah,
but I would say give him more time. Give him
more time. He deserves more time. He's been you know,

(22:19):
coaching changes and all kinds of stuff. Give the guy
more time to show that he can play quarterback in
the NFL. So that's that would say, just were quick
to bury people, and he has not had a great
start his career, but he deserves more time to prove
he can play.

Speaker 7 (22:36):
Wouldn't you say that Bryce Young's size looks really bad
when they're losing, like maybe in high school and at
Alabama they were just kicking butt, so he it wasn't that, yeah,
him being so small a loser.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
He looks so tiny. I don't you know.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
And I saw I listen up a minute, like I
thought Hung will be Austin in the pros, just seeing
Kyler Murray. He's small, But then you look and he's
just so tiny. He doesn't appear to have a strong
enough arm. He's not as athletic as other guy, as
other you know, as a as a Bryce as a
Kyler Murray is Yeah, I think it is. I think
it's it's one of those things where you know, whether

(23:21):
it's Russell Wilson or Drew Brees or Kyler Murray, we've
all gotten to this act. You don't have to be
that big that's kind of overrated. Then you're like, you
watch him, You're like, maybe they.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Kind of have a point.

Speaker 6 (23:32):
I also think, and maybe this may be me being biased,
but I didn't. I felt that Bryce Young got to
pass because he was from Alabama now and Alabama hadn't
been this great quarterback, you know, product machine with college.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
But CJ. Stroud was in the same draft. We see
how CJ.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
Stroud's been and there has been a negative connotation with
Ohio State quarterbacks previously, and I felt like Bryce Young
was built up so much because he was from Alabama
and Stroud was taking this hit because he was from
Ohio State when they're two completely different quarterbacks. But the

(24:15):
success rate wasn't that great at Alabama that you needed
to believe it. I don't know if it's the Nick
Saban thing, But yeah, there was just there was a
lot more belief in Bryce Young than than that I
thought should be in that draft.

Speaker 8 (24:30):
And did you guys see that still shot of him
getting sacked and his butt's kind of up in the
air and he just it just was a very compromising
picture and just didn't didn't stoke any kind of confidence
in him.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Maybe, Okay, what about you there, Jay stew what's your
the overreaction from the weekend.

Speaker 7 (24:49):
I'm gonna take up for my guy Aaron Rodgers and
the Jets. I think that there was this remarkable stat
last year. I forget the exact numbers, but I'm just
gonna paraphrase here to prove a point that the team
that plays the team that just played the forty nine
ers is like nineteen and one against the spread. In

(25:10):
other words, the team that just got done playing the
forty nine ers a week after is so banged up
and injured that they don't cover the spread the next week.
I thought that's an amazing stat, but it also speaks
to how much the forty nine ers just kick your ass.
And I don't know if it's fair too. And you
guys were very measured yesterday and I appreciate that. I

(25:31):
don't think it's fair to say the Jets are done
and I'm not even talking about their favorable schedule. The
forty nine ers are a really good team, and if
you get them playing downhill like they did on Monday night,
lookout and Aaron Rodgers wasn't on the field enough to
show us if he's got everything he's got back. So
I'm going to take a pause and I'm going to

(25:52):
not overreact like the entire city of New York is
doing right now.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, it's a good Okay.

Speaker 6 (26:00):
There was more flak on Sala because of the defensive performance.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yes, well I think it was on both, but yes
it was.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
It was the idea, and I heard Craig Curtin say
this earlier today, and I think he's right, which is like,
I get it's been a couple of years, but you're
the defensive coording or you're surprised by the running game, like.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
What what were you doing?

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Sure midway by.

Speaker 6 (26:25):
Now, this may be a bit of a reach, okay,
but this really annoyed me yesterday, and it.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Really annoys you that it's not a reach. Dan, I
don't understand your.

Speaker 6 (26:34):
Take, but I hope you guys see where I'm coming from. Okay,
I'm seeing power rankings across the NFL, and I see
the Kansas City Chiefs number one. Great win on Thursday night,
no doubt about it. But if that's the case, does
the Baltimore Ravens better be number two?

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (26:52):
So the point is is the Ravens again, were a
toe way from having a two point conversion attempt to
go to Kansas City and win that game. And for
as much as we love the Chiefs and they've built
up enough equity in what they have done to believe
that they will be there at the end, I like

(27:13):
I saw power rankings yesterday the Chiefs won in Ravens five. Well, no,
if the Ravens are that close to going to Kansas
City and winning the opening season game, then the Ravens
should be second. And if you don't want to have
Kansas if you don't have the Ravens second, you want
to have them fifth, then put Kansas City forth because
that's where those two teams are right now. They are
neck and neck for what we look at in the

(27:34):
National Football League. So I don't want to say an
overreaction to the Chiefs win. But I feel like there
is of like when we see, you know, Xavier Worthy
have the game that he had, now we're like, oh
my gosh, Patrick Mahomes has weapons.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Agreed, all of that is true, and they will be there.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
No one will want to play them in the playoffs,
whether they're a one seed or a seven seed. But
if we are taking what we saw on Thursday night
in through Week one one of the NFL season, then
you have to give the Baltimore Ravens at least some
of that credit as well. And that's so that's kind
of my overreaction. It's a combo of the Ravens and Chiefs.

(28:10):
You want to put the Chiefs one, fine, put the
Ravens to then those teams are neck in that there
shouldn't be a gap between them if you're trying to
sort out who's good in the National Football League.

Speaker 7 (28:19):
Dan, I can't help but think, Dan real fast that
you mentioned the power rankings just so and gave me
kind of a ramp for me to mention that my
first power rankings of the season are going to be released.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Tonight at Jason Stewart.

Speaker 6 (28:34):
Jason Stewart, all right, and I listen, I think that
there's evidence for the Chiefs to be number one, But
then don't disrespect you know, I'm looking at Nick Wright's
tiers right now. We know Nick's the Chiefs fan, right,
you know FS one they're number one.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yes, and I am a number one. I have number one.
I have the Niners number one.

Speaker 6 (28:55):
I thinks the Niners two, then the Texans in the
third tier, the Cowboys and Lines, and the Ravens are
in the fourth tier.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Well, how could the Ravens.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
Be in the fourth year when they again they were
a toe away from having a two point conversion to
beat you. They did go ninety yards on that final
drive to set it up. And there's and that's just
my whole point about it. Take it for what it is,
not what you want it to be.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
And you know I might My only pushback would be
that the Chiefs did drop too pass in the end zone.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
But again, you're you're not, You're not.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
It is overreact. We're talking about overreactions. That is an overaction.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I got one. It's the opposite of the Jets one.
It's the Niners.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
We all know the Niners are stacked, we all know
they're really, really good. But let's be honest. They played
a Jets team that had to travel all the way
across the country. Aaron Rodgers hasn't really had success against
them anyway, and like that's a franchise that's ready to go.
And though they had missed some guys in training camp,

(29:55):
they have just dudes across the board. I just let's
see what happens with the Niners when next too are
on the road in domes, at the vikings, at the Rams.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Let's see what happens there.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Before we kind of crown the Niners and they had
some money even performances last year as well, Let's see
what happens with them. It's a little bit like the Giants.
I think the Jets aren't particularly good. I think the
Giants are terrible. So the teams that beat these teams,
it's really hard to tell you.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
How good they are.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
If you want to crown them, they've crowned their ass.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
I agree with everything you said.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
The one thing that I do like with the forty
nine ers is they didn't rush Christian McCaffrey. They are
getting bread and I you can you know Trent Williams
in I think that they realize this isn't this isn't
a eighteen week season. They're going to be good enough
to make the playoffs. They got to make sure that
they peak at the right time, are hot in the playoffs,

(30:50):
and then can right the wrong of their overtime loss
from February.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
It's a long it's a long haul right now.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
And if Jordan Mason takes a bunch of carries in
the first half of the season, that Christian mccaffery's even
more fresh in the second half.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Anybody else any other massive overreactions?

Speaker 1 (31:08):
I got one, I got one, I got another one,
all right, Like, I don't know if Tom Brady will
ever be good.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
He was not good this weekend.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
But I have broadcast games and I may actually get
to broadcast a couple this year, and we'll see. But
I've done it for full time. Is my job for
twenty one years, and the first time back. Even though
I talk for a living and I do a radio show,
I've done TV shows.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
It's different.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
It does take you a while to get kind of
your sea legs, if you will.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
And then I think, you know, I think he did him.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
They he did himself, or they did him a disservice
doing those practice games where you feel like you're doing
real games, but there's just no way to replicate it.
And I don't think he's getting I kind of agree
with Dan Patrick and with Colin Coward and felt like
he over prepared.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
But the big thing is like.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
He struggles being regular Tom Brady instead of Super Bowl
Tom Brady. And while I know we all know Jason
can't stand listen to Tony Romo do a game, the
one thing that Tony Romo has, it's the John Madden relatability.
Feels like a feels like a guy who could sit

(32:24):
on the couch while he's played quarterback in the NFL.
And Britdy does not have that. And he has that
in real life. He's got a great likability factor, Like
you see something talk to people that he just it
reminds me. Dave Reverson is a dear friend of mine.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
He's been on the show. He's the lead face of
the Big Ten Network.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
And there was a guy I won't name him, he
was at ESPN and we're playing golf of them one time, like, man,
you got a great personality, how about bringing out out
on the air sometime, you know? And some people just
struggle with that, but I do think we're overreacting a
little bit to Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Lots of dudes start out and they're not particularly Goody.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Do you guys think Tom Brady over prepared for this?

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (33:00):
That yeah, that's what. Yeah, he was just what Colin
and damnit, I think.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
There were things.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
There's some things that he wasn't prepared for that he
doesn't know, like you, whoever told him what to do
shouldn't tell him what to do. And I don't know
who was at Fox. I know, I'm I would encourage.
I don't know what Dan Steeer is doing now. He's what,
He's the guy who trained me at ESPN.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
He's phenomenal, phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
You know, you want to leave three quarters of what
you study and research on the on the cutting room floor,
if you will.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
But you just gotta speak and be And.

Speaker 6 (33:33):
Yeah, I did something that I've never done before because
my show was on during Brady's debut. I recorded the
Cowboys Browns game to go back and hear Brady and
I watched some of it last night, and I only
caught the first part of it before our show started
being Carrie Roads here on Fox. But I fast forward
into like the second quarter fast forward into the second.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Half to hear them, and he was.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
He was better than what I felt the criticism was
out there. I felt that there were times You're right.
The relatability is going to be the key part. That's
why I think he almost has to go a football
nerd on people, and maybe that is his avenue because
it's going to be difficult for Tom Brady to relate
like John Madden did. But there was a point where

(34:16):
the Browns had an incomplete pass that was called to
catch and he tried to like joke, He's like, you know,
like this would be a time like hurry, hurry up,
and that's exactly what he said on the broadcast and
trying to get everybody to the line. So that kind
of like was was able to break through. There were
awkward pauses in the beginning, but throughout I when I

(34:37):
listened more, it was better than I think he's getting
credit for. It wasn't great, but I think that everybody
wanted greatness because of the contract.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
There's a rhythm to it.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
There's a rhythm to it when you talk that economy
of words, and I'll just yes, I know I'm really
good at calling games, but the guy who's the best
of the economy of words is Jay billis Like, he's amazing.
He says so many things in such such few words.
He's the guy in terms of preparation, Like, you can't

(35:08):
do much better than Fran for Scilla. He does an
incredible job at ESPN. Those are basketball guys football guys, right,
Like you know, frankly, there's some guys that do football
that are really good that maybe don't do the NFL.
What's uh, you know who's really really good? I think

(35:33):
he works for US now at Fox right, brock Cuor.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
She still work for us AFI. He says college games
for US.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I think brock Hewor is outstanding, relatable, smart, knows this stuff,
doesn't overtalk like, that's the guy I would emulate. He's
freaking fantastic, fantastic. Anni former quarterback.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
As well, teaches him stuff never stuff And that is
the midway the main word.

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Speaker 2 (37:53):
Coach. How are you.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
I'm doing well? How you doing? Thanks for having me?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I'm good man. Your watch Notre Dame take on A
and M.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
And Look, the hardest thing I think for you guys
in football is, even though you have what Notre Dame
did last year, it's a new team, it's a new year,
and so oftentimes these early season games you don't have
a great book on him. How much did the fact
that they had to use a lot of their weapons
and their arsenal to beat A and M help you
in your preparation?

Speaker 5 (38:24):
Yeah, it really helped. You know, they have a new
office of coordinator that was from LSU, and so we
studied LSU and then he gets an the Dame and
you don't know what what's his package is going to be.
So we had the spring game and then obviously it
was confirmed with that you know, Texas A and M game,
and they had to they had to, you know, empty

(38:44):
their playbook to try to win that game. So we
had a great idea are the things they were looking
to do and ways to attack us schematically, and I
think that gave us an advantage.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
So you guys were able to really kind of control
the tempo of the game. What was when you were
midweek last week and you're trying to set the bullet
points for how we're going to win this game?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
What was it?

Speaker 5 (39:09):
Well? I thought, you know, it came down to the trenches,
and I think we are very physical and mature in
the trenches. And it's kind of like in basketball, as
you know, you see these teams with the superstar freshman
and then in the tournament they play a team that's
got some older veteran players that know how to get
it done. And that's how I thought about our football team.
We have an older veteran team that knows what it's

(39:32):
like physical in the trenches, and I thought we can
I thought we could control the lot of scrimmage, which
would give us a chance to compete in that game.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
You're also able to use and Terry Brown just out
of the backfield, both catching with you have one hundred
and twenty six receiving and ninety nine yards rushing and
as a former running back yourself and a running back coach,
what makes him special?

Speaker 5 (39:59):
I mean, he's very, very explosive, has great vision, and
he has good size. So a kid his size shouldn't
run a ten to seven one hundred meters, so we
knew he would be one of the more dynamic players
on the field. It was just a matter of us
giving him opportunities to display what he can do. And
to win a game like that, you have to have

(40:19):
a guy that's a difference maker, and Ontario Brown was
a difference maker force.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
When you're getting ready for a game like that, you
want them to believe and have confidence. On the other hand,
you don't want them to have like arrogance, right, you
can't pump him full of too much crap. You got
to kind of be reasonabley it. How did you kind
of manipulate their minds into believing but getting them at
that magic level of belief in taking on the Irish well.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
A couple of years ago. We played Michigan in twenty
twenty one and it was the best team I've seen
on tape, and I wanted to be honest with my
team at the time, and I was just telling him,
you know, these guys are really really good. They really
really dynamic and explosive, and it was a it was
a it was a mismatch in my opinion when I
watched it take this week, we are three years older

(41:07):
from that that point, and although we may not have
the resources and everything else that goes with it, I
thought our guys had grit and so I wanted them
to understand, Uh, we don't need luck to win this
game this week. We need you guys to play your best,
and if you play your best and handle the environment early,
we will be right where we need to be in

(41:27):
the fourth quarter. And then we got to you have
to make a play. Somebody's going to have to make
a play to win the game. And the script played
out exactly how I thought, and we were able to
come through with the victory.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Marcus Obas did a great job and getting the ready
for A and M. The hardest thing for any coach
is you come off those those gigantic wins like one
and from one hundred thousand people a Kyle Field, there's
going to be a bit of a what do you
want to call it letdown or just the sigh and
the Okay, it's northern Illinois. Do you think the players
for Notre Dame took you guys seriously coming in?

Speaker 5 (42:01):
I can't. I can't answer that question. But I'm not
in their locker room. But I know before the game,
when I had a chance to talk to coach Freeman, Uh,
he took this seriously. He understood what you know, what
we bring to the table and the type of stylo
play that we play.

Speaker 10 (42:17):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
So I can't answer. I can't speak for them. I
know we were excited to play.

Speaker 10 (42:22):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
You know after it was a good, good physical battle. Uh,
and we made just enough places to figure out the
way to win.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Does winning in Notre Dame Stadium mean as much to
kids as it would to you and I? Right, Like obviously,
like we're old enough to remember when Notre Dame was
national champions, when Lou Holtz was there, in all the history,
but as we know, like kids are different now and
Notre Dame has been good and they've been the college
for a playoff, but they haven't been Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Did it mean? Does it mean as much to them.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
I think it means you know, in the moment, it
probably didn't mean as much to them, But since that moment,
the amount of atension that they've been able to get,
I'm sure now they're starting to figure out this was
a big deal because you know, a lot of people
want to talk to them, a lot of people, and
they're on all the social media, so they see all
the stuff that's happening, and I think now they starting

(43:16):
to realize, hey, this was a once in a lifetime
type opportunity and they took full advantage of it.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
So the last drive, you're no running back, running back coach,
fourth down when you go for it, there was like
no thought in my I'm watching the game.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Like they're gonna run it.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
What's the decision making like in terms of what you're
going to do fourth down? I know you've got to
convert a couple of big third downs as well, but
that fourth down conversion, what's that decision making like?

Speaker 2 (43:43):
In the headset?

Speaker 5 (43:45):
You know, it was hard because it was like a
yard and a half, which you know that that makes
you feel uncomfortable, and fourth down to run the ball,
you know that far right. So we wanted to have
a run pass option, you know, with the core the
back and give him a chance that they that they
you know, cut the back loose. He had to he
had to back in the flat. But their coverage were

(44:07):
so good. I mean, these guys they can cover and
they closed face quickly, and our quarterback made a great
decision to tuck the ball and run. Uh and and
that allowed us to keep the drive going.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Yeah, no, okay, you line up to the field goal,
and like we said, I've seen I actually went to
the other day in my freshman year, and on my visit,
they lost to Michigan on a game winning field goal.
And on my first game, I think they lost to
Northwestern on a game winning field goal as well. But
we've seen so many field goals in that stadium, and
you know, like no one has any faith in college kickers.

(44:40):
What's honestly going through your mind when you're lining up
for that last field goal.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
I was just thinking, I hope he makes it. We missed.
We missed two extra points the week before, and so
I was like, please just just make it. Because the
thing that's interesting, And I told my staff the morning
of the game, I said, I had a dream last
night that the game came down to a game winning
field goal, and then I woke up, so I'm not

(45:04):
sure how it ended. And so when it was coming
down to a field goal, I was like, this is
exactly like my dream, but I'm not sure what's going
to happen. And then when he made it, I was
just so relieved. But then we had to go back
out there and play defense.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Then he had to go play defense and win the game.
I want to play for you something. This is your
old roommate, PJ. Fleck, who's the head coach of Minnesota.

Speaker 10 (45:28):
Earlier this week, Coach Hammick and I were Coyle's roommates.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
It's your alma mater. So once a Husky, always a Husky.

Speaker 10 (45:36):
It was so good to see because you know, Joe
Novac started this a long time ago and the Boneyard victories.
And I remember when we first got there and we
were being recruited around like a twenty five twenty six
game losing streak something like that.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
It wasn't very good. And here's how bad it was.

Speaker 10 (45:52):
I was recruited, I was selected as a scholarship athlete.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
That's how bad it was.

Speaker 10 (45:58):
But I remember him talking about his vision of what
northern Illinois could become, and he did it with a
lot of area players, you know, the Nick Duffies of
the world, and Thomas Hammick was from Indiana, but you know,
we were all these you know, crack on the shoulder,
blue collar kids, just hungry to have an opportunity. Now
many of us had a lot of offers. What a

(46:18):
win for the Huskies and sorry to ramble on about it,
but it's fun to watch your alma mater UH do
a lot of really good things, and you know, it's
just so good to see him have success and the
players have success, and so many guys that even on
a staff that we know and just really happy for them.
That's a huge win in program history for sure.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
What's your reaction here and hearing PJ said that, Well.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
I'm just happy that he you know, he still continues
to have pride in our program. I mean, he was
a major part of us having a chance to turn
his program around. And obviously he's coaching in college and
at at different universities, but you still got to have
pride in where you from and pride him home and
for him to go out of his way to say

(47:01):
that and we were roommates. Made me feel really really
good because you can never forget, you know, how you
was brought up the program you play for, especially now
in the age of the transfer port them. I can't
tell you, you know, how do you tell what kids?
You know, what's your alma mater when you've been to
two and three places.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
So totally agree for him to for him.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
To say that, you know that, that made me feel
really really good.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
You know, you've taken it us pro, You've been through
COVID obviously, finally when you win a Bowl game.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
You've done a lot of great things.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
But you're kind of in that same situation as a
lot of these kids right where we preach and teachers
coaches loyalty, and yet you know here you're going to
get knocks on the door because you've coached in the NFL,
you've coached Wisconsin, you've obviously built a continue this dynamic
program at NIU. What's it like in this era to
be the coach that's coaching at the alma mater, preaching loyalty,

(47:55):
knowing that, just like the players, somebody's going to call
you at the end of the year.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Well, I think if our administration makes a commitment, uh,
you know, to our program and and wants to move
to our program forward. I'm extremely happy here. But in
this age of n I l uh, you have to
you have to get in that space in order to
have a chance to keep your players. I mean, you know,
we we lost a couple of guys to Power five programs,

(48:21):
and you know we just beating Notre Dames. You don't think, Uh,
there's other schools in the country looking at our loster
to see.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Every one of every one of them, right everyone?

Speaker 5 (48:30):
So so now okay, you know show me you you
you guys want to you want to invest in our
program by keeping the guys that we have in the
program on the team.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Yeah, that's that's the best way to do it.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Build, build from within, keep those guys and hopefully you
can get them money. What's it going to be like
to get You don't play till the twenty first, so
you get time to kind of catch your breath, right, Uh.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
How do you how do you get him back to
that magic level?

Speaker 5 (48:57):
Yeah? First of all, I am so excited. We got
to buy a week because I can see why team
I can see why teams struggle, right all of you know,
all these people that was never there in the beginning
are coming out the work work to talk to these
guys and want to be a part of it. But
we can get them back because now you know, we
had a practice this morning that was very, very intense.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
It's easier to.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Get them back when you have time to on the preparation.
And so we got two training camp style practices today
and tomorrow, and the way they practice this morning gives
me great confidence these guys are ready to move forward.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Well, coach, I think the nation fell in love with
your program and you personally this Saturday in South Bend, Indiana.
But obviously, as we saw from Notre Dame, and it
doesn't matter about the big wins, you got to kind
of back it up with another one afterwards, otherwise it
just becomes a one off. We wish you nothing but
success and really appreciate you joining us.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
Thank you, and go Husky.
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