September 12, 2024 • 44 mins
On a Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottleb Show: Doug explains why he doesn't think Joe Burrow is overrated as he disagrees with the thoughts of former receiver and FS1 host James Jones about the Bengals' quarterback.
Doug and the crew throw it back 30 years in the first edition of "Don't Call It A Throwback, Thursday".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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fired up. This is just a who big, big time show. Kay,
big big time show, and we're ready for Thursday night football,
Thursday Night football. Right, But before you get to Thursday
Night football, because I think there's a question. First we
have the football becomes about the quarterbacks, right, It just
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does it becomes about the quarterbacks. And tonight we have
two a tongue Bailoa who's received a huge contract extension.
And I think it's a fascinating game because the superpower
of the Dolphins of September is playing at home and
the other team is playing underneath that bright Miami sunshine
on that visiting sidelines. That gets just being down from
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the gods. And then of course on the other side
you got Josh Allen, And Josh Allen is a guy
who can, you know, throw a ball through a brick
wall no matter what the weather is. Josh Allen has
his own his own issues, right is his own issues
very much. But I think what's fascinating about about this
this story is it does relate because last year he
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got a contract extension. He being Joe Burrow. Here's former
Packers wide receiver current FS one host James Jones earlier
today talking about Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We got to start keeping it real for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
If Lamar Jackson throw that ball and his toe ain't out,
there's a lot of ifs. If Jalen hursts look down
in the middle of the field and reincover two and
don't throw it and it ain't. It's a lot of ifs,
but them dudes take a lot of heat. Joe Burrow
has not been good man the last two years and
starting off this seat, he ain't been good. He was
five and five last year and then went out with
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an injury. All right, then they went four and three
without Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow without top elite wide receivers
is average.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
He is.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But we keep no no for real though, but we keep.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
We keep living on this on the Super Bowl appearance,
but we don't live on other stuff for other quarterbacks.
Joe Burrow's not playing good football right now. He ain't right,
and we keep putting him up there saying he's better
than josh Allah. He did the number two quarterback in football.
But to be honest with you, the real is he
ain't played well the last year and a half.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
He ain't.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You just lost to the Patriots, man, Joe Burrow. This
is the New England Patriots, and you're supposed to be
the second best quarterback in football. Everybody praising that you're
the only one that could challenge Patrick Mahomes and all this. Well,
the last year and a half, you can't. You have
not been a good quarterback. And if it was any
other quarterback, we wouldn't keep saying, oh man, if this,
if that, if that, if this, No, the man gotta
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play better and he's not, and you should be nervous.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's true. I think here's I
think the problem. Here's I think the problem. I think
the problem is no one actually watches the Bengals play football, really,
and and I would I would actually agree with James
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Jones from this standpoint. The standpoint is that last year
in the playoffs, like we make it out like the
Bengals defense, but the offense stalled against it was the Chiefs, right,
they'd lost you and they had a chance to win
the game. Defense got some stocks the offense at some
in the second half. And we do give Joe Burrow
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a bit of a pass because he led the Bengals
to a super Bowl. But I just I'll be honest
with you. I can't go by overall team team record.
I what I what I can't and don't understand. Okay,
what I can't and don't understand is how we're supposed
to evaluate Joe Burrow when he doesn't have his weaponry, like, oh,
when he doesn't have his wide receiver, he's not very good.
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Like who is I guess that's Pat Mahomes. I guess okay,
But Mahomes also has one of the greatest tight ends ever.
Burrow does not. I'll ask you, Dan Byer. You're in
there on Sunday, so you're watching all these games. Has
Joe Burro been bad? Or we simply are we doing
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what about ism? Because James Jones thinks other quarterbacks are
getting uh are are getting under undo criticism?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, I think that's that's how I feel about this,
because you know to your point of of what they've done,
and I know that they pointed to last year. If
you want to comment on Burrow's injury history, I think
that's absolutely fair game. I think that's he was injured
his rookie season, he was injured last season. If you
want to talk about his injury, there's questions about does
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he have a problem with his wrist. All of that
I think is fair game. But to go to the
Super Bowl, to have the football with seconds remaining in
the game at midfield, still trying to do something against
the Rams, that's an accomplishment of itself, getting to the
AFC Championship Game and the second time and not having
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that penalty of the late hit out of bounds set
up Kansas City for that field goal. He's accomplished a
great amount in a short time, and it feels like
it's what about ism. It feels like it's overreaction from
week one? Why is it Joe Burrow's fault that Jamar
Chase held out for pretty much the entirety of training
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camp and was his only available option there. Yeah, I
just I get if you want to say that he's
injury prone and maybe the Bengals is a team of
taking a step back. But to sit there and say
that he's overrated, I just I don't see that. I
don't agree with that. In fact, Doug I went as
far as saying, I'm gonna pick Joe Burrows the MVP
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every single year until he wins one, because I think
that's the caliber of quarterback that he is. Picked him
last year, I picked him again this year. Just gonna
keep doing it because he's gonna win an MVP some year.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So that's what that show is.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I don't I haven't seen the full facility show. I
don't know if that's the case, but you know, you
get a lot of overreaction from week one. And I
just again, as I said, when you looked at how
the Bengals were approaching this offseason, and I don't think
that there's resentment towards Burrow getting paid. But when T
Higgins is playing on a franchise tag and Jamar Chase
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wants a contract extension, their focus isn't on football. And
then that they're even more important this year with Joe
Mixon being gone. You're bringing Zach Moss, you have Chase
Brown there in the backfield, but they're even more important
because of what you don't have in the backfield, and
they're not being available to me is a bigger problem
than maybe people want to realize.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, I just again, like it's all about how teams
are constructed, right, It's all about how teams are constructed.
And the example is we'll talk about the Giants and
I think it's a debacle, but that Giants team was
built around Saquon Barkley. So if you don't have Saquon Barkley,
it's going to be more of a house of cards. Right.
If the kansa Chiefs don't have Travis Kelcey, it becomes
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a house of cards. You know, all of those things
are in fact kind of related. So I'm with you.
I just I haven't seen it. I haven't heard anybody else.
James Jones is literally the first person ever that I've
heard say Joe Burrow has to play better, like he's
not playing. And it felt like if you listen to
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those it's like all these guys get criticism and every
quarterback gets criticized. Every quarterback gets criticized. That's the nature
of the position, like it's and again I don't I
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didn't watch the show, so I don't know. I don't
know if the nature if the reason. What is the
reason that James believes he doesn't get criticism? Is it
because he's a Bengal and we look at the Bengals
as if they're the poor redheaded stepchild that never gets
any love, so let's not be mean to him and
their quarterback's not that good? Or is because he's white
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and we feel like and James feels like black quarterbacks
get more criticism. I don't think either is true or
either is accurate. Right, Deshaun Watson gets criticized because he's
not playing well and he has all these sexual assault
allegations off the football field. When Baker Mayfield didn't play
well for Cleveland, it was the same thing. It was
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the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
There's just a lot of easy targets in Week one,
and there's no excuse to lose to the Patriots, like
the Cincinnati Bengals did. Absolutely no excuse but to make
this an overall indictment on Joe Burrow. Who Again, if
you want to use the injury history and say, look,
this guy has been injured last year, he missed the
latter part of this year, still getting some of the
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rust off from last year, I think all of that
is fair. But when you talk about his accomplishments and
what he's done, heck, they went to Buffalo and won
a playoff game in the year that they lost in
the AFC Championship game to the Chiefs. We saw what
they did and navigating and beating Kansas City in an
AFC championship game. I think all of that is equity.
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When we're talking about quarterbacks and who they are and
what they've done, Joe Burrows accomplished a lot more than
most of these quarterbacks in the National Football Again, when
you're talking about young quarterbacks, I'd have a difficult time
finding who's accomplished more than he has in that short
period of time, I.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Would agree, And people don't. People forget that everyone thought
Zach Taylor should be fired and then he gets to
the super Bowl and when he's been healthy, they've been
a playoff team and we're talking about the most difficult
division in the sport. I don't care what any I
don't care how bad Pittsburgh's offense was last year, how
bad is this year. It's Pittsburgh, damn Steelers. Their defense
is dynamic, Okay. The Ravens have been really really good.
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And the Browns, although remember we're a playoff team. Last year,
the Browns were really talented on defense. So I just again,
I'm a I don't get it, but I would also.
I think one of the key elements to this league
that we need to admit is we don't always pay
attention to every team. We just don't like. Jacksonville had
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a lead loss to the Dolphins. There's been no discussion
about Jacksonville at all this week because the only thing
we talk about with the Dolphins is Tyreek Hill getting
arrested and then winning the game and doing it a
handcuff celebration after the game. There are lots of teams
we don't talk about. We talk about Jets because they're
on Monday Night Football and they have Aaron Rodgers. Talk
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about the Giants because everybody knows that they're going to
probably make it. They'll make a quarterback change, probably make
a coaching change in the year as well, And so
many other teams we don't even talk about and we
don't even watch. And I think the Bengals fall into
that and simply going with team wins losses. I don't know,
Like I haven't heard anybody say that Joe Burrow is
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not awesome.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, And I think that there's a debate that if
you throw this out there, like who makes who more?
Does Jamar Chase make Joe Burrow or does Joe Burrow
make Jamar Chase because they've been connected at college and
then they connected in the National Football League, so they
obviously know each other, and it's probably an unfair question
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to pick one over the other. But as Jamar Chase,
you know, lead Jamar Chase without Joe Burrow, I I
don't know that he is.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, I don't think it's it's like the Belichick and
Brady thing, right, like, it's a great question. It's a
great question. I think what people need to realize is,
I get it, you don't have your wide receivers. You
don't look nearly as good. They didn't look good across
the board. But we'll also remember, like they've lost running
backs in the past couple of years because they're trying
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to save their money and they're spending money, a bunch
of money on Burrow, and they've been a slow starting team.
Even the Super Bowl year, they were slow starting team.
It's kind of their mo And this goes to actually
something that Jason likes to bring up is that coaches
don't take the preseasons seriously. So the first four games
are usually played at a really low level, and oftentimes
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we have a result like that where there's a team
that goes to simboy, like you lost to who sure,
and then you remember it's the first four or five
weeks of the season.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And just to make my point on Jamar Chase on
who is Who? When Joe Burrow went down in mid
November last year, Jamar Chase had games of six catches
eighty one yards. Then they had a shootout victory with
Jake Browning at quarterback where eleven catch excuse me, it
was four catches eighty one yards and then eleven catches
one nine and a touchdown for Jamar Chase. And then
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over the final month of the season did had three catches,
four catches, three catches and four catches no touchdowns, didn't
top over sixty four yards.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Right, do you think he missed sjow Burrow. Yeah, the answers, yes,
answers Yes.
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I think it's really interesting. Jay Stu has lots of
ideas in his mind, incredible stuff, and sometimes it's hit,
sometimes it's miss. But I feel like this one's a hit. Jay.
If you want to give the idea for Throwback Thursday
Go Ahead kind.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Of goes back to something that Dan Byer and I
we had a We had a I guess a late
lunch one day and Dan Bayer's like, you know what,
maybe we should do some kind of a Throwback Thursday
segment and he kind of laid it out, and I
wanted I want to introduce it for the football season
because I think every Thursday there's going to be a
way to talk about the Thursday night game. And I
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also want to implement something that I find very amusing.
This this is my sense of humor. You know, don't
call it a comeback as a famous LL cool J song,
and I'm gonna say, nack you at yeah. And I
always find it funny how when celebrities are coming back
from something and then they go online and they're like,
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don't call it a comeback catch me Tuesday nights at
eight o'clock whatever. No, No, that is a comeback. You're
actually coming back from something that why would we not
call it a comeback. I don't think they understood the
actual nature of the song, which was Ell was telling
us I didn't go anywhere. I've been a stud for
a long time. This is not a comeback, but most
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celebrities don't kind of get that nuance, so they just
kind of throw it out there, and it's just become
a thing of a lexicon, a thing.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
They're throwing out there that it actually isn't come back.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
We don't question them as well. Yeah, and like so
I want to.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Rap quite like I can. I put a muscle back
man and put his face in the sand light less.
I'm sorry, that's I'm bad, which is again predates I
was Sam's possible knowledge of La Cool Jay.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Just so aware. When I'm alone in my room sometimes
I go at the wall and in the back of
my mind I hear my conscience call telling me I
need a girl who's as sweet as a dove for
the first time in my life. So I want to
start this segment every Thursday. I don't want it. And
by the way, this is fungible. We could we can
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mold it and however we want. But I want to
see we'll get some listener react to the first time
we do it. It's called don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
What do we think of the intro?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I dig this song, so I'm good with it.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Could we go back thirty years? I know Sam is
is only I think he's thirty eight or thirty nine,
but Sam's an old thank you. Can we go back
thirty years to the fall of nineteen ninety four and
kind of put yourself in that mindset? The Bills played
the Dolphins. Now you got to you have to think
about this. The Bills were coming off of what three
straight Super Bowls or four straight Super Bowls? Four straight?
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The Dolphins had Dan Marino, I think maybe in his
final years, kind of the last thing, but he still
had a lot in them. The Bills in Miami the
Fall of nineteen ninety four beat the Dolphins forty two
to thirty one. It featured two Hall of Fame coaches,
Marv Levy and Don Shua, two Hall of Fame quarterbacks
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Dan Marino and Jim Kelly, and just a number of
Hall of famers on the Bill sidewines. Both quarterbacks put
on a show again. The Bills ended up winning forty
two to thirty one. But a lot of people don't
remember that that ninety four season, the Bills had come
down off of their reign. They would end up going.
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I mean, I don't know what they were. They like
seven and something, seven and seven and nine maybe, But
just think about nineteen ninety four and that night and
that and that time, Like, what do you guys think
about when you hear these names that I just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I think, really good fun football. I think it's one
of those things that were we A lot of people
not our age Jason even hears Dan, but I would
say that Sam, if you were to ask somebody like, hey,
what was football like when you had Jim Kelly and
Dan Marino and whatever? You would think a lot more conservative,
a lot more running. But yet those two teams, Dan
(18:37):
Ma Reno, they never ran the football. And then the
K gun offense, though it had Thurman Thomas, it was
as much Thrman out of the backfield as anything. And
it was kind of like spread offense for for spread
offensive school, high powered, high scoring. I think it'd be
very different than how people people think.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I'll ever forget. Nineteen ninety four in the NFL was
the seventy fifth anniversary, and so that is when you
saw a wide variety of different uniforms pop up at
the time, most notably the San Francisco forty nine ers
loved their throwbacks and felt that they were so superstitious
about it that they continued to wear them and wore
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them in the Super Bowl that they ended up beating
your guys, Chargers or Chargers in January of nineteen ninety five.
But that ninety four season, there was a diamond patch
put on NFL uniforms that year signifying the seventy fifth anniversary,
and teams were encouraged to wear their throwback uniforms at
that time. So don't call it a throwback. Yeah, don't
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call it a throwback, but they were in nineteen ninety four.
I remember that I bought a this was and this
it was not as much of a craze at the time.
I shouldn't say I bought it. My mom bought it
for me. You get new school clothes, right for me?
My senior year in high school, going to graduate in
nineteen ninety five. I wanted one thing authentic NFL Marshall
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fulk jersey. Oh, Indianapolis Colts. Yeah, Marshall fulk Okay. So
the jersey comes in with the diamond patch on it,
but they make the jerseys. It was so authentic. Then,
Doug that it was authentic to the team, so it
was like tight around the shoulder pads. So like when
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I ordered my size, which was my normal size, the
jersey was so small that I had to give it
to like my twelve year old cousin because I couldn't
wear it because of the way that it fit, and
because it was custom because they didn't make Marshall falk
jerseys then, like you had to ask like A or
Faulk and I want the number twenty eight. You couldn't
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return it even though it was a player that was
thirty years ago. Now you go on the NFL shop
and the new players signs and this jersey is up
practically the next day. But it was not that easy
back then. It had the because why would a running
back want to loose jersey right, he wants it tight
against the pads. That's what I remember about nineteen ninety
four in the NFL. One of the things that I
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remember from nineteen ninety four in the NFL, by.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
The way, the Dolphins went on to win the NFC
or AFC East that year. Bernie Parmalley led their team
in rushing. A guy named Irving Spikes was second on
that team. That was a team with Oj McDuffie.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Oh, j McDuffie Penn State, right, yeah, and his.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Son is a good player in the league right now?
Correct Or is that a different McDuffie.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Sarah Trent? Is it Trent?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Is that I want to say they're related? I could
be right.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I do not know that.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I found this interesting. This is where Sam's really going
to get engaged. The movie that took over nineteen ninety
four pulp fiction.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So a great movie, a great movie. Here's here's one
part about nineteen eighty four. That was when I fell
in love with the La Charger of the Santego Chargers.
Natron means yes, Natron means business. Stand the man Humphreys.
They they beat the Dolphins and the Steelers and then
took on the Niners led by Steve Young in the
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Super Bowl and just got completely housed. But Stan, the
man Humphreys and the running back was Natron means business.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
That was That was back when Chris Chris Berman was
big too.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
It was also a time in the NFL where it
was the forty nine Ers and Cowboys and everybody else
that was the Packers were trying to build up. The
Bears were no longer a thing. The Giants, it kind
of moved on from their time. It had been years
since they had been in those Super Bowls. It was
a and it was an arms race. This was Dion, remember,
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goes to the forty Niners, helps them win the Super Bowl,
then the next year ends up joining the Cowboys and
doing his thing. But it was you weren't close. It
was Cavaliers Warriors esque. I would say of that NFL
season on who was going to end up just playing?
It just felt like the Cowboys and forty nine Ers
were going to meet the NFC Championship game, and whoever
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won that game was going to win the Super Bowl
because whoever played from the AFC was not going to
be able to compete.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
You bring up Dion, I want to say he was.
He was doing both sports that year. He played for
the Braves and the Falcons at some point in the nineties,
and I want to say when he was shipped to
San Francisco, he also was shipped to the Giants. He
was playing in San Francisco on the baseball team and
the football team. Fact check me on that, but I
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think I think I got that right, by.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
The way, previous fact check no relation between h Trent
McDuffie and OJ McDuffie.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Only do a fact check if it confirms what I said.
We're only going to fact check one person here. Isn't
that the controversy, right? But if one person saying all
the wrong things, don't we have to fact check. I
don't know how it all works. I will say this.
I do remember from nineteen ninety four. Okay, so we
all remember when the snow cave the Metro domin right.
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Do you remember when the tiles fell from the Kingdome?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
So that was in nineteen ninety four. And the reason
I bring it up is because the Seahawks couldn't play
at the Kingdome, so.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
They played at the Husky Stadium.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yes, yes, and they really weren't that good, but they
started out two and oh that year, and then you're
like wow, because they for as bad as they were,
playing in the Kingdome was such an advantage. I think
they played the Steelers I think in one of the
two games, and they ended up losing one of the two.
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They didn't have a great year that year, but they
started out two and oh. And then I remember they had.
They went and played at Husky Stadium, which looked just
so weird because you were so used to seeing them
in the Kingdome. But yeah, that was in nineteen ninety four.
And then after a little while you're like, all right,
we need a new stadium here.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Le's get this. It could be the problem with going
to a game where concrete might fall on your face.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
People were so soft these days. They were soft nineteen
ninety four as well. What's a little concrete, right?
Speaker 5 (25:13):
You know what started in the fall of nineteen they
were by the way, they were fiberglass, so oh they
were Oh okay, what started in nineteen ninety four? Doug
the sitcom Friends follow nineteen ninety four must see TV?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I want to I must see TV in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Well, Seinfeld was in there somewhere.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, Seinfeld was. I think tops thing because Cheers it
left in ninety three that Kramer started in ninety four,
yet had that's what started Kramer?
Speaker 5 (25:46):
What are you talking? I'm sorry, Fraser, I check that.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, yeah, Maye Fraser may have been around a little bit.
Seinfeld was the king though it was eighth Central, I
know that for sure. And then Friends was at seven, guys,
I was only eight years.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Of Central times. Central time is so weird for you
to go by, but go ahead away, guys.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I was only eight years old.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
But one of the best biggest hits for Sound Garden
came out in nineteen ninety four. Black Hole Sun Sun
kind of resurgence a year or two ago. This year
with the eclipse, it came back into the rock charts.
Because of the eclipse. People are listening to it.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Senior ye in high school, right there, boys, there you
go good time? Was I any commosi nineteen ninety four?
It comes the hot step?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Did Vitology come out in early ninety four? Was that
I'm I'm.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Trying to we're still rocking? Pearl jam Ten? I know
Pearl jam Ten was probably ninety sure, but.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
You had verses one I think, but I thought, you know,
I think you're right. Vitology was was definitely ninety four
ninety Yeah. It was yep.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Kirk Coachy at de Fenway This Weekend by the way
man Christ Being.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Who did Kurrit Cobain died in ninety four.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Yeah, yeah, the PlayStation was launched. I had the original
for just in time for Christmas nineteen ninety four one
a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
The PS one yeah, great, great game system, really good
game system. I remember many. How many game systems have
you actually owned? JAS two.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I'm not a gamer and my son is not a
big gamer, so that I'm bad guy to ask. But
I will say this, I currently have a PlayStation four,
and I do. I watch my entire TV on that.
All the apps that I watch, all the streaming apps
are on a PlayStation four that I own. But maybe
maybe I've owned three total in my life.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I remember renting a PlayStation because it didn't have one.
You know, you could rent it from the video stores. Yeah,
black plush, Yes, getting a college football video game and
playing it and not realizing was were memory cards used
in PS once?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
No, you know I think they did.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, Xbox No, No, I never had a PS one.
You're right, so I don't really know.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
PlayStation one also was the first to use a disc,
a spinning disk.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yes, yes, there's a those cartridges before, and I had
and I just thought that my game would automatically be saved.
And I kept on trying to play these college football
seasons with Ohio State, and every single time it would
give me the season opening game and the games by then,
you know, it took like forty five minutes, so it
wasn't like a quick game that I was flying through,
(28:32):
and so I'd shut it off, and I didn't realize
that I needed a memory card because it used to
be just saved on the cartridge if you had Sega Genesis.
But I'm like, gosh, why is it this saving my game?
Do I just have to leave this thing on the
whole time? But yeah, those were those were that was
the technology that was fooling me.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Nineteen ninety four was NHL ninety four Did we mention
this or is this my brain playing?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
We didn't mention it, but you did not, No, we
did not.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
That's like one of the greatest video games of all
time ninety four.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
That was game referenced in Swingers.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, I mean the big thing was the use of
the one timer was I mean, that was it was
pretty money. You scored almost that will that way.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I had a great game. I had such a tough
time figure out how to score goals in those games.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
You had to hold down the button and then release
it right as you got.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
The pie game. Yeah, I know, the one timers were
the easier way but how like you.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Get I was big, I would gretzky. I would go
around the back of the net.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I couldn't do that. I would just have to take
a slap shot and then it would be saved.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
I was more of a rowneck guy. Ronick, Jimmy Renick,
Mike MacDonough.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Was Rome still on at night at that point in
time or did he go national middle of the day.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
I think it was right in the right when he
started to go during the daytime and then they gave
him the talk to show. Jim Everett was right around
those times. I had surgery on my thumb in nineteen
ninety four, dislocated video. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that wasn't fun.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
What's the segment called? Don't call it a throwback? Yes, yes,
don't don't call it a throwback Thursday. You got to
keep her there, Jason.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
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Speaker 1 (30:30):
I think the question becomes as you listen to Doug
gotleib Shaw on Fox Sports Radio, Little John Denver for you.
We were talking about Joe Burrow and whether or not
we give him a pass. Basically, what's asked. Do we
give him a pass because we like him because he's
(30:50):
Joe Cool because he dyed his hair, or is James
Jones just going after him because he's doing the What
about is we'll asks Mike Sando, NFL writer for The Athletic.
He's been coming to the NFL for nearly three decades.
He'll join us in a couple of moments. I want
to share with you this. So Colorado State plays Colorado.
Remember last year's game, brutly physical game. Colorado State had
(31:13):
a shot. I think I had lost an overtime on
the road at Folsom Field. Here's their captain. Colorado State's
captain Tory Horton and Braden Fowler had this to say
but their matchup with Colorado this week.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
He owed them one and as this time, that's been
sitting on everybody, you know, mine, since we came back
from break. You know, we owe them and we walked
away from that game, you know, as you know, we
kind of left it all on the field. I don't
feel like we left it all on the field because
we should have murdered them guys, and you know they
came out with that attitude as they were on top
of the world. And this ain't no Cinderella story, so
(31:52):
humble for events.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, I think that's awesome. It was an unbelievably physical game.
Probably my favorite game to watch, not the best game,
but my favorite game to watch last year in college football.
And we got the rematch upcoming this weekend. Nothing wrong
with a good college football rivalry, not at all. At
STUG got leave show here on Fox Sports Radio. We
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mentioned Mike Sando. Of course he joined us to give
us his quarterback tiers, which everybody in football can't can't
you cannot wait to read. That was going back to
the preseason. Now, of course we're a couple. We're a
game into the regular season. We have Week two getting
ready to get underway in Miami tonight, and he joins us.
Now it writes for the Athletic It's Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Mike, this is interesting, right, Like Miami
(32:37):
usually awesome at home in September because of the heat.
But a lot of that is when you play this
afternoon games in South Florida, you get that sun beating
down on visiting sideline. Don't have that tonight still gonna
be warm, Muggy. How much do you think that changes
the game, that you don't have the sideline effect, that
that sunshine almost like you underneath the underneath, like a
(33:03):
looking glass sort of effect.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
Yeah, I think it takes some of the edge off, Doug.
But you're also in a short week for Buffalo too,
so you know, maybe the fatigue factor's still there. I
still think it's a good home field advantage for Miami.
And it's going to be warm, right and I don't
know what the temperature is it's to kickoff, but it's
going to feel warm. There's not going to be a
cool ocean breeze. I wouldn't think like you get sometimes
on the West Coast.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Okay, how did how did Miami look last weekend?
Speaker 8 (33:33):
Well, I mean they won the game. It was very
close to being broken open for Jacksonville had they you know,
not fumbled going into the end zone. But I think
it was a good first game. You know, they had
the major distraction of the Tyreek Hill situation before and
yet they came out and got it done. So there
were missed opportunities. I mean Tua had had a guy
deep at one point, missed him, but there was a
(33:53):
lot of sloppiness in Week one. I think it's big
to get the win, and this would be even bigger
if they can stack a division win against Buffalo they
need to beat in the division.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
There are a lot of people that seem to give
it up on Buffalo's chances to get into super Bowls, like, Ah,
windows closed, what do you think about their window?
Speaker 8 (34:09):
Yeah, well, I think there's two different windows. There's there's
one window that you're right if you're comparing them to
Kansas City. I have a harder time feeling like they're
going to you know, overcome Kansas City in the playoffs,
likely on the road to go to the super Bowl
and win it. I do believe that they're behind in
getting their you know, defense younger and better the way
(34:30):
Kansas City has done. They're just starting trying to you know,
turn the page with their weaponry. So I think they
are a different type of team. That doesn't mean that
they're bad though, or that they might not win the
AFC East. I think there's still a good team that
will be in it, and you know, with their quarterback, like,
I don't know that I would bet against them to
win the division, even with some of the stuff around them.
(34:51):
So that's all it is. It's a it's a different
type of window to me where it would be more
of an upset if they went and won the Super Bowl.
But they're still good and they're going to try to
get it back over the next couple of seasons.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Do the Giants know how bad they are?
Speaker 8 (35:10):
Probably? I mean, I would think that a lot of
times you go into the season overrating how good you are.
That does happen. But that had to be a wake
up call in the first game. Not only that they
were one of two home underdogs going into Week one
and they were playing Sam Darnold and they were a
home underdog. So that has to tell you a little
(35:31):
bit about who you are. You know, who you really are.
The thing that's most interesting to me about them is
if it's becomes a lot of season and Daniel Jones
is struggling, They've got a lot of injury guarantees on
him for the future, and that will become a storyline.
If they're you know, oh and three, oh and four,
that's sort of a thing. How long do you keep
(35:51):
going you.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Mean, shutting him down even though like healthy scratch, well,
that will.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
Be talked about, just like it was with Derek Carr
at the end of his tenure, if it really goes
off of the rails. I saw another note too. It
was in some kind of a point spread type newsletter
or something I was reading. I think they're one of
the teams that would actually the point spread value of
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their backup would be better than their starter. They might
be gain a point in a spread if Locke were playing.
So I think that tells you what the opinions are
right now. And you know, there's no you know, it's
a huge year for them. They've all took back the
play calling. This is the quarterback they signed, he's healthy.
(36:38):
They got to make it work.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
They do. Mike Sander joining us nflc and writer for
the Athletics Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to
you from the TIREC dot Com Studios. I'm a big
Sam Donald fan. It's only one game, but what are
their early returns from Minnesota.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
I thought that was a great first game for him.
I don't care if they're playing the Giants or the
Panthers or whoever. You know, there had to be some
nerves going in. I did look at his career. You know,
it was whatever, fifty some starts, and there were a
dozen other games like this one, you know, where he
was efficient, had good numbers. It was a professional quarterback
(37:15):
starting quarterback level performance. So I thought that was really
good for him. It is unusual, it would be unusual,
it would be an outlier for somebody in his career,
with the state of his career the way it's gone,
to come out of that and really rise up. Let's
just say in the quarterback tiers next year, right, There's
not a lot of cases of somebody in his situation
(37:38):
climbing up into tier three or two. But that was
a promising start, and he does have a chance. I
used to do a podcast with Randy Mueller's with the
Saints now three times GM, and he was saying, like,
you know, even way back, like don't be surprised if
you know, Darnold kind of remakes himself and you know,
(38:01):
gets a job next year with some decent money on it.
So had that in the back of my mind a
little bit. In that first game was probably better than
I expected.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, no, I it was. It was very very efficient,
very clean. You look really comfortable, and part of it
is it's basically the same offense he's been running in
San Francisco. Going back to last year speed of San Francisco.
They throttled the Jets, And look, I granted it's it's
halfway across the country, it's San Francisco. They're really good,
But like Robert Sala, your defense can't stop the run game.
(38:30):
Don't you know a thing or two about Kyle Shanahan's
offense and she coached with him for a couple of years.
How much of that was is the Niners are just
that good, and how much of that is the Jets
are not nearly what some want them to be.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
Well, Kyle Shanahan knows all about slid too, So I'm
going to bet on Shanahan in that matchup just I
think he's such a great schemer and play designers. So
I was alarmed from a Jets standpoint of just being
pushed around as much as anything. I don't know, you know,
if it was a ton of scheme, but they got
really shoved around up front, their defense got pushed around.
(39:05):
The fort nine ers were scoring on almost every drive.
I think that was alarming. My Jets takeaways were Aaron
Rodgers has not watched. I think he looks pretty good.
I think they'll get better production from their offense as
they go. But the defense was kind of a woe
because I thought they might be better than that. And
we'll see if it was just forty nine Ers in
one game, but that was disappointing from a Jeff's standpoint.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
To say the least disappointing Chargers. Chargers just outphysicaled the Raiders.
Was that more about the Chargers and more about the Raiders.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
Well, there were three, I think two or three just
huge pivotal plays by the Raiders that reader turnovers. They
had the outlier fourth down play where they didn't go
for it, you know, one of the only times in
like ten years that somebody did in that situation. So
I was struck by this. With the Chargers, they got
great play from their offensive tackles. That is something to
build upon. You've got this quarterback who's town and you
(40:00):
want to have an identity, you know, in the run
game with your team, and they popped a couple. They
got it going. But I thought that was interesting. And
then I'm really anxious to see they had a great
defensive performance, but it's against Gardner Minshew so you have
to put a little bit of an asterisk by that.
But you know, they've been a bottom five defense, so
we're not expecting top five, top ten. But if they
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can get to if you can get the middle of
the pack or you know, you're higher than twentieth in defense,
it just changes everything. It takes a lot of pressure
off the quarterback. It lets you run the ball a
little bit like they want to do. So to me,
that's like the most interesting thing because I think they've
been way worse on defense than we thought they were
going to be, even though they had hired a defensive
head coach who was supposed to be able.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
To fix it, no question. Mike Sando joining us here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Cowboys
end up acquiescing and signing Dak Prescott to a long
term deal. What happened, What changed Jerry Jones was we're
going to let him play it out all in on
this year, and then all of a sudden, Dak's got
an extension. What happened?
Speaker 8 (41:06):
I think he always pays his guys, but but sometimes
he just waits and waits and waits and prolongs it
as long as he can to see if maybe he
can not do it, and then he pays them. So
I thought this one had a chance just because I
thought Dak might push this one because he had such
a great leverage there with the NOE franchise tag ability.
He could have tried to push this to free agency.
(41:27):
But I think in the end this tells us Dak
wanted to be the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys more
than you know, try to push it for another five
million and have that all season sort of as a storyline.
So I thought it was a good deal for Dak.
It's what happens if you're Jerry and want to get
it done before the year, when you've given away all
your negotiating. He gave away the franchise tags, so that's
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how you get the sixty million.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Is there with the new lawsuit out against DeShawn Watson,
is there any way the Browns use it to get
out of his contract.
Speaker 8 (42:00):
I think we have to see how it proceeds and
see what else is discovered. I think that definitely could happen.
I also think that just because his contract is guaranteed
and he's going to get a certain amount of money,
which as you said, maybe they try to get out
of that part. But even if they don't, I think
it's possible that the situation becomes untenable enough that he's
(42:22):
not on the team after this year, even if they
had all this financial commitment. We've seen teams move on
from quarterbacks or other players have huge cap hits, like
Denver did this year, because if there's more of these
lawsuit type things swirling and he's not playing good ball,
which look, I'm not going to say the bad ball
thing one game is going to be the whole season.
(42:44):
But if that's the case late in the year, I
just don't see how they sell that to the fan
base and go through that again. It just becomes too much.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Mike Sandos our guest here the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Trail. Last thing, Mike Caleb Williams seemed struggle
last week. Bears were good. Caleb was not all the
rookie quarterbacks struggle. But how much concern is there over
his accuracy in Chicago?
Speaker 8 (43:08):
I'm not going to I think he had enough body
of work in college and the evaluation of him were
good enough that we should expect ups and downs. I
do think that there was going to be a chance
this season early that they were he was going to
be a little hit and miss and big play hunting
a little bit and not as you know, not as
consistent down to down as he'll need to be because
(43:28):
he does have a lot of talent. But I think
that was, you know, also telling us a little bit
about Tennessee's defense. I think it's pretty good. They have
Dinard Wilson as their DC. He comes from Baltimore, same
as Mike McDonald, who had a really good defensive game
too against a rookie quarterback as it was. So I
think it was a combination of those factors. I'm not
(43:48):
reading overly too much into it, but I do think
there's going to be ups and downs for sure.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah. Well that last week was a bit of a down,
although the team won, so that's a bit of an up,
although we saw Denver h and wash and both lose.
Mike Sandos, senior NFL writer with The Athletic get the
cover of the NFL for nearly three decades. Mike, thanks
so much for joining us great insight. Truly appreciate you.
Speaker 8 (44:08):
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fired up. This is just a who big, big time show. Kay,
big big time show, and we're ready for Thursday night football,
Thursday Night football. Right, But before you get to Thursday
Night football, because I think there's a question. First we
have the football becomes about the quarterbacks, right, It just
(01:06):
does it becomes about the quarterbacks. And tonight we have
two a tongue Bailoa who's received a huge contract extension.
And I think it's a fascinating game because the superpower
of the Dolphins of September is playing at home and
the other team is playing underneath that bright Miami sunshine
on that visiting sidelines. That gets just being down from
(01:26):
the gods. And then of course on the other side
you got Josh Allen, And Josh Allen is a guy
who can, you know, throw a ball through a brick
wall no matter what the weather is. Josh Allen has
his own his own issues, right is his own issues
very much. But I think what's fascinating about about this
this story is it does relate because last year he
(01:48):
got a contract extension. He being Joe Burrow. Here's former
Packers wide receiver current FS one host James Jones earlier
today talking about Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We got to start keeping it real for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
If Lamar Jackson throw that ball and his toe ain't out,
there's a lot of ifs. If Jalen hursts look down
in the middle of the field and reincover two and
don't throw it and it ain't. It's a lot of ifs,
but them dudes take a lot of heat. Joe Burrow
has not been good man the last two years and
starting off this seat, he ain't been good. He was
five and five last year and then went out with
(02:21):
an injury. All right, then they went four and three
without Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow without top elite wide receivers
is average.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
He is.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But we keep no no for real though, but we keep.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
We keep living on this on the Super Bowl appearance,
but we don't live on other stuff for other quarterbacks.
Joe Burrow's not playing good football right now. He ain't right,
and we keep putting him up there saying he's better
than josh Allah. He did the number two quarterback in football.
But to be honest with you, the real is he
ain't played well the last year and a half.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
He ain't.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You just lost to the Patriots, man, Joe Burrow. This
is the New England Patriots, and you're supposed to be
the second best quarterback in football. Everybody praising that you're
the only one that could challenge Patrick Mahomes and all this. Well,
the last year and a half, you can't. You have
not been a good quarterback. And if it was any
other quarterback, we wouldn't keep saying, oh man, if this,
if that, if that, if this, No, the man gotta
(03:15):
play better and he's not, and you should be nervous.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's true. I think here's I
think the problem. Here's I think the problem. I think
the problem is no one actually watches the Bengals play football, really,
and and I would I would actually agree with James
(03:41):
Jones from this standpoint. The standpoint is that last year
in the playoffs, like we make it out like the
Bengals defense, but the offense stalled against it was the Chiefs, right,
they'd lost you and they had a chance to win
the game. Defense got some stocks the offense at some
in the second half. And we do give Joe Burrow
(04:03):
a bit of a pass because he led the Bengals
to a super Bowl. But I just I'll be honest
with you. I can't go by overall team team record.
I what I what I can't and don't understand. Okay,
what I can't and don't understand is how we're supposed
to evaluate Joe Burrow when he doesn't have his weaponry, like, oh,
when he doesn't have his wide receiver, he's not very good.
(04:24):
Like who is I guess that's Pat Mahomes. I guess okay,
But Mahomes also has one of the greatest tight ends ever.
Burrow does not. I'll ask you, Dan Byer. You're in
there on Sunday, so you're watching all these games. Has
Joe Burro been bad? Or we simply are we doing
(04:45):
what about ism? Because James Jones thinks other quarterbacks are
getting uh are are getting under undo criticism?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, I think that's that's how I feel about this,
because you know to your point of of what they've done,
and I know that they pointed to last year. If
you want to comment on Burrow's injury history, I think
that's absolutely fair game. I think that's he was injured
his rookie season, he was injured last season. If you
want to talk about his injury, there's questions about does
(05:12):
he have a problem with his wrist. All of that
I think is fair game. But to go to the
Super Bowl, to have the football with seconds remaining in
the game at midfield, still trying to do something against
the Rams, that's an accomplishment of itself, getting to the
AFC Championship Game and the second time and not having
(05:36):
that penalty of the late hit out of bounds set
up Kansas City for that field goal. He's accomplished a
great amount in a short time, and it feels like
it's what about ism. It feels like it's overreaction from
week one? Why is it Joe Burrow's fault that Jamar
Chase held out for pretty much the entirety of training
(05:56):
camp and was his only available option there. Yeah, I
just I get if you want to say that he's
injury prone and maybe the Bengals is a team of
taking a step back. But to sit there and say
that he's overrated, I just I don't see that. I
don't agree with that. In fact, Doug I went as
far as saying, I'm gonna pick Joe Burrows the MVP
(06:17):
every single year until he wins one, because I think
that's the caliber of quarterback that he is. Picked him
last year, I picked him again this year. Just gonna
keep doing it because he's gonna win an MVP some year.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So that's what that show is.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I don't I haven't seen the full facility show. I
don't know if that's the case, but you know, you
get a lot of overreaction from week one. And I
just again, as I said, when you looked at how
the Bengals were approaching this offseason, and I don't think
that there's resentment towards Burrow getting paid. But when T
Higgins is playing on a franchise tag and Jamar Chase
(06:53):
wants a contract extension, their focus isn't on football. And
then that they're even more important this year with Joe
Mixon being gone. You're bringing Zach Moss, you have Chase
Brown there in the backfield, but they're even more important
because of what you don't have in the backfield, and
they're not being available to me is a bigger problem
than maybe people want to realize.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, I just again, like it's all about how teams
are constructed, right, It's all about how teams are constructed.
And the example is we'll talk about the Giants and
I think it's a debacle, but that Giants team was
built around Saquon Barkley. So if you don't have Saquon Barkley,
it's going to be more of a house of cards. Right.
If the kansa Chiefs don't have Travis Kelcey, it becomes
(07:37):
a house of cards. You know, all of those things
are in fact kind of related. So I'm with you.
I just I haven't seen it. I haven't heard anybody else.
James Jones is literally the first person ever that I've
heard say Joe Burrow has to play better, like he's
not playing. And it felt like if you listen to
(07:59):
those it's like all these guys get criticism and every
quarterback gets criticized. Every quarterback gets criticized. That's the nature
of the position, like it's and again I don't I
(08:21):
didn't watch the show, so I don't know. I don't
know if the nature if the reason. What is the
reason that James believes he doesn't get criticism? Is it
because he's a Bengal and we look at the Bengals
as if they're the poor redheaded stepchild that never gets
any love, so let's not be mean to him and
their quarterback's not that good? Or is because he's white
(08:43):
and we feel like and James feels like black quarterbacks
get more criticism. I don't think either is true or
either is accurate. Right, Deshaun Watson gets criticized because he's
not playing well and he has all these sexual assault
allegations off the football field. When Baker Mayfield didn't play
well for Cleveland, it was the same thing. It was
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the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
There's just a lot of easy targets in Week one,
and there's no excuse to lose to the Patriots, like
the Cincinnati Bengals did. Absolutely no excuse but to make
this an overall indictment on Joe Burrow. Who Again, if
you want to use the injury history and say, look,
this guy has been injured last year, he missed the
latter part of this year, still getting some of the
(09:37):
rust off from last year, I think all of that
is fair. But when you talk about his accomplishments and
what he's done, heck, they went to Buffalo and won
a playoff game in the year that they lost in
the AFC Championship game to the Chiefs. We saw what
they did and navigating and beating Kansas City in an
AFC championship game. I think all of that is equity.
(09:57):
When we're talking about quarterbacks and who they are and
what they've done, Joe Burrows accomplished a lot more than
most of these quarterbacks in the National Football Again, when
you're talking about young quarterbacks, I'd have a difficult time
finding who's accomplished more than he has in that short
period of time, I.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Would agree, And people don't. People forget that everyone thought
Zach Taylor should be fired and then he gets to
the super Bowl and when he's been healthy, they've been
a playoff team and we're talking about the most difficult
division in the sport. I don't care what any I
don't care how bad Pittsburgh's offense was last year, how
bad is this year. It's Pittsburgh, damn Steelers. Their defense
is dynamic, Okay. The Ravens have been really really good.
(10:38):
And the Browns, although remember we're a playoff team. Last year,
the Browns were really talented on defense. So I just again,
I'm a I don't get it, but I would also.
I think one of the key elements to this league
that we need to admit is we don't always pay
attention to every team. We just don't like. Jacksonville had
(11:03):
a lead loss to the Dolphins. There's been no discussion
about Jacksonville at all this week because the only thing
we talk about with the Dolphins is Tyreek Hill getting
arrested and then winning the game and doing it a
handcuff celebration after the game. There are lots of teams
we don't talk about. We talk about Jets because they're
on Monday Night Football and they have Aaron Rodgers. Talk
(11:24):
about the Giants because everybody knows that they're going to
probably make it. They'll make a quarterback change, probably make
a coaching change in the year as well, And so
many other teams we don't even talk about and we
don't even watch. And I think the Bengals fall into
that and simply going with team wins losses. I don't know,
Like I haven't heard anybody say that Joe Burrow is
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not awesome.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, And I think that there's a debate that if
you throw this out there, like who makes who more?
Does Jamar Chase make Joe Burrow or does Joe Burrow
make Jamar Chase because they've been connected at college and
then they connected in the National Football League, so they
obviously know each other, and it's probably an unfair question
(12:09):
to pick one over the other. But as Jamar Chase,
you know, lead Jamar Chase without Joe Burrow, I I
don't know that he is.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, I don't think it's it's like the Belichick and
Brady thing, right, like, it's a great question. It's a
great question. I think what people need to realize is,
I get it, you don't have your wide receivers. You
don't look nearly as good. They didn't look good across
the board. But we'll also remember, like they've lost running
backs in the past couple of years because they're trying
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to save their money and they're spending money, a bunch
of money on Burrow, and they've been a slow starting team.
Even the Super Bowl year, they were slow starting team.
It's kind of their mo And this goes to actually
something that Jason likes to bring up is that coaches
don't take the preseasons seriously. So the first four games
are usually played at a really low level, and oftentimes
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we have a result like that where there's a team
that goes to simboy, like you lost to who sure,
and then you remember it's the first four or five
weeks of the season.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And just to make my point on Jamar Chase on
who is Who? When Joe Burrow went down in mid
November last year, Jamar Chase had games of six catches
eighty one yards. Then they had a shootout victory with
Jake Browning at quarterback where eleven catch excuse me, it
was four catches eighty one yards and then eleven catches
one nine and a touchdown for Jamar Chase. And then
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over the final month of the season did had three catches,
four catches, three catches and four catches no touchdowns, didn't
top over sixty four yards.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Right, do you think he missed sjow Burrow. Yeah, the answers, yes,
answers Yes.
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I think it's really interesting. Jay Stu has lots of
ideas in his mind, incredible stuff, and sometimes it's hit,
sometimes it's miss. But I feel like this one's a hit. Jay.
If you want to give the idea for Throwback Thursday
Go Ahead kind.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Of goes back to something that Dan Byer and I
we had a We had a I guess a late
lunch one day and Dan Bayer's like, you know what,
maybe we should do some kind of a Throwback Thursday
segment and he kind of laid it out, and I
wanted I want to introduce it for the football season
because I think every Thursday there's going to be a
way to talk about the Thursday night game. And I
(15:02):
also want to implement something that I find very amusing.
This this is my sense of humor. You know, don't
call it a comeback as a famous LL cool J song,
and I'm gonna say, nack you at yeah. And I
always find it funny how when celebrities are coming back
from something and then they go online and they're like,
(15:24):
don't call it a comeback catch me Tuesday nights at
eight o'clock whatever. No, No, that is a comeback. You're
actually coming back from something that why would we not
call it a comeback. I don't think they understood the
actual nature of the song, which was Ell was telling
us I didn't go anywhere. I've been a stud for
a long time. This is not a comeback, but most
(15:45):
celebrities don't kind of get that nuance, so they just
kind of throw it out there, and it's just become
a thing of a lexicon, a thing.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
They're throwing out there that it actually isn't come back.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
We don't question them as well. Yeah, and like so
I want to.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Rap quite like I can. I put a muscle back
man and put his face in the sand light less.
I'm sorry, that's I'm bad, which is again predates I
was Sam's possible knowledge of La Cool Jay.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Just so aware. When I'm alone in my room sometimes
I go at the wall and in the back of
my mind I hear my conscience call telling me I
need a girl who's as sweet as a dove for
the first time in my life. So I want to
start this segment every Thursday. I don't want it. And
by the way, this is fungible. We could we can
(16:28):
mold it and however we want. But I want to
see we'll get some listener react to the first time
we do it. It's called don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
What do we think of the intro?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I dig this song, so I'm good with it.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Could we go back thirty years? I know Sam is
is only I think he's thirty eight or thirty nine,
but Sam's an old thank you. Can we go back
thirty years to the fall of nineteen ninety four and
kind of put yourself in that mindset? The Bills played
the Dolphins. Now you got to you have to think
about this. The Bills were coming off of what three
straight Super Bowls or four straight Super Bowls? Four straight?
(17:15):
The Dolphins had Dan Marino, I think maybe in his
final years, kind of the last thing, but he still
had a lot in them. The Bills in Miami the
Fall of nineteen ninety four beat the Dolphins forty two
to thirty one. It featured two Hall of Fame coaches,
Marv Levy and Don Shua, two Hall of Fame quarterbacks
(17:38):
Dan Marino and Jim Kelly, and just a number of
Hall of famers on the Bill sidewines. Both quarterbacks put
on a show again. The Bills ended up winning forty
two to thirty one. But a lot of people don't
remember that that ninety four season, the Bills had come
down off of their reign. They would end up going.
(18:00):
I mean, I don't know what they were. They like
seven and something, seven and seven and nine maybe, But
just think about nineteen ninety four and that night and
that and that time, Like, what do you guys think
about when you hear these names that I just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I think, really good fun football. I think it's one
of those things that were we A lot of people
not our age Jason even hears Dan, but I would
say that Sam, if you were to ask somebody like, hey,
what was football like when you had Jim Kelly and
Dan Marino and whatever? You would think a lot more conservative,
a lot more running. But yet those two teams, Dan
(18:37):
Ma Reno, they never ran the football. And then the
K gun offense, though it had Thurman Thomas, it was
as much Thrman out of the backfield as anything. And
it was kind of like spread offense for for spread
offensive school, high powered, high scoring. I think it'd be
very different than how people people think.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I'll ever forget. Nineteen ninety four in the NFL was
the seventy fifth anniversary, and so that is when you
saw a wide variety of different uniforms pop up at
the time, most notably the San Francisco forty nine ers
loved their throwbacks and felt that they were so superstitious
about it that they continued to wear them and wore
(19:16):
them in the Super Bowl that they ended up beating
your guys, Chargers or Chargers in January of nineteen ninety five.
But that ninety four season, there was a diamond patch
put on NFL uniforms that year signifying the seventy fifth anniversary,
and teams were encouraged to wear their throwback uniforms at
that time. So don't call it a throwback. Yeah, don't
(19:36):
call it a throwback, but they were in nineteen ninety four.
I remember that I bought a this was and this
it was not as much of a craze at the time.
I shouldn't say I bought it. My mom bought it
for me. You get new school clothes, right for me?
My senior year in high school, going to graduate in
nineteen ninety five. I wanted one thing authentic NFL Marshall
(20:03):
fulk jersey. Oh, Indianapolis Colts. Yeah, Marshall fulk Okay. So
the jersey comes in with the diamond patch on it,
but they make the jerseys. It was so authentic. Then,
Doug that it was authentic to the team, so it
was like tight around the shoulder pads. So like when
(20:23):
I ordered my size, which was my normal size, the
jersey was so small that I had to give it
to like my twelve year old cousin because I couldn't
wear it because of the way that it fit, and
because it was custom because they didn't make Marshall falk
jerseys then, like you had to ask like A or
Faulk and I want the number twenty eight. You couldn't
(20:44):
return it even though it was a player that was
thirty years ago. Now you go on the NFL shop
and the new players signs and this jersey is up
practically the next day. But it was not that easy
back then. It had the because why would a running
back want to loose jersey right, he wants it tight
against the pads. That's what I remember about nineteen ninety
four in the NFL. One of the things that I
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remember from nineteen ninety four in the NFL, by.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
The way, the Dolphins went on to win the NFC
or AFC East that year. Bernie Parmalley led their team
in rushing. A guy named Irving Spikes was second on
that team. That was a team with Oj McDuffie.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Oh, j McDuffie Penn State, right, yeah, and his.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Son is a good player in the league right now?
Correct Or is that a different McDuffie.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Sarah Trent? Is it Trent?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Is that I want to say they're related? I could
be right.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I do not know that.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I found this interesting. This is where Sam's really going
to get engaged. The movie that took over nineteen ninety
four pulp fiction.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So a great movie, a great movie. Here's here's one
part about nineteen eighty four. That was when I fell
in love with the La Charger of the Santego Chargers.
Natron means yes, Natron means business. Stand the man Humphreys.
They they beat the Dolphins and the Steelers and then
took on the Niners led by Steve Young in the
(22:12):
Super Bowl and just got completely housed. But Stan, the
man Humphreys and the running back was Natron means business.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
That was That was back when Chris Chris Berman was
big too.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
It was also a time in the NFL where it
was the forty nine Ers and Cowboys and everybody else
that was the Packers were trying to build up. The
Bears were no longer a thing. The Giants, it kind
of moved on from their time. It had been years
since they had been in those Super Bowls. It was
a and it was an arms race. This was Dion, remember,
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goes to the forty Niners, helps them win the Super Bowl,
then the next year ends up joining the Cowboys and
doing his thing. But it was you weren't close. It
was Cavaliers Warriors esque. I would say of that NFL
season on who was going to end up just playing?
It just felt like the Cowboys and forty nine Ers
were going to meet the NFC Championship game, and whoever
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won that game was going to win the Super Bowl
because whoever played from the AFC was not going to
be able to compete.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
You bring up Dion, I want to say he was.
He was doing both sports that year. He played for
the Braves and the Falcons at some point in the nineties,
and I want to say when he was shipped to
San Francisco, he also was shipped to the Giants. He
was playing in San Francisco on the baseball team and
the football team. Fact check me on that, but I
(23:41):
think I think I got that right, by.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
The way, previous fact check no relation between h Trent
McDuffie and OJ McDuffie.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Only do a fact check if it confirms what I said.
We're only going to fact check one person here. Isn't
that the controversy, right? But if one person saying all
the wrong things, don't we have to fact check. I
don't know how it all works. I will say this.
I do remember from nineteen ninety four. Okay, so we
all remember when the snow cave the Metro domin right.
(24:08):
Do you remember when the tiles fell from the Kingdome?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
So that was in nineteen ninety four. And the reason
I bring it up is because the Seahawks couldn't play
at the Kingdome, so.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
They played at the Husky Stadium.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yes, yes, and they really weren't that good, but they
started out two and oh that year, and then you're
like wow, because they for as bad as they were,
playing in the Kingdome was such an advantage. I think
they played the Steelers I think in one of the
two games, and they ended up losing one of the two.
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They didn't have a great year that year, but they
started out two and oh. And then I remember they had.
They went and played at Husky Stadium, which looked just
so weird because you were so used to seeing them
in the Kingdome. But yeah, that was in nineteen ninety four.
And then after a little while you're like, all right,
we need a new stadium here.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Le's get this. It could be the problem with going
to a game where concrete might fall on your face.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
People were so soft these days. They were soft nineteen
ninety four as well. What's a little concrete, right?
Speaker 5 (25:13):
You know what started in the fall of nineteen they
were by the way, they were fiberglass, so oh they
were Oh okay, what started in nineteen ninety four? Doug
the sitcom Friends follow nineteen ninety four must see TV?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I want to I must see TV in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Well, Seinfeld was in there somewhere.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, Seinfeld was. I think tops thing because Cheers it
left in ninety three that Kramer started in ninety four,
yet had that's what started Kramer?
Speaker 5 (25:46):
What are you talking? I'm sorry, Fraser, I check that.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, yeah, Maye Fraser may have been around a little bit.
Seinfeld was the king though it was eighth Central, I
know that for sure. And then Friends was at seven, guys,
I was only eight years.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Of Central times. Central time is so weird for you
to go by, but go ahead away, guys.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I was only eight years old.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
But one of the best biggest hits for Sound Garden
came out in nineteen ninety four. Black Hole Sun Sun
kind of resurgence a year or two ago. This year
with the eclipse, it came back into the rock charts.
Because of the eclipse. People are listening to it.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Senior ye in high school, right there, boys, there you
go good time? Was I any commosi nineteen ninety four?
It comes the hot step?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Did Vitology come out in early ninety four? Was that
I'm I'm.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Trying to we're still rocking? Pearl jam Ten? I know
Pearl jam Ten was probably ninety sure, but.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
You had verses one I think, but I thought, you know,
I think you're right. Vitology was was definitely ninety four
ninety Yeah. It was yep.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Kirk Coachy at de Fenway This Weekend by the way
man Christ Being.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Who did Kurrit Cobain died in ninety four.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Yeah, yeah, the PlayStation was launched. I had the original
for just in time for Christmas nineteen ninety four one
a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
The PS one yeah, great, great game system, really good
game system. I remember many. How many game systems have
you actually owned? JAS two.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I'm not a gamer and my son is not a
big gamer, so that I'm bad guy to ask. But
I will say this, I currently have a PlayStation four,
and I do. I watch my entire TV on that.
All the apps that I watch, all the streaming apps
are on a PlayStation four that I own. But maybe
maybe I've owned three total in my life.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I remember renting a PlayStation because it didn't have one.
You know, you could rent it from the video stores. Yeah,
black plush, Yes, getting a college football video game and
playing it and not realizing was were memory cards used
in PS once?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
No, you know I think they did.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, Xbox No, No, I never had a PS one.
You're right, so I don't really know.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
PlayStation one also was the first to use a disc,
a spinning disk.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yes, yes, there's a those cartridges before, and I had
and I just thought that my game would automatically be saved.
And I kept on trying to play these college football
seasons with Ohio State, and every single time it would
give me the season opening game and the games by then,
you know, it took like forty five minutes, so it
wasn't like a quick game that I was flying through,
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and so I'd shut it off, and I didn't realize
that I needed a memory card because it used to
be just saved on the cartridge if you had Sega Genesis.
But I'm like, gosh, why is it this saving my game?
Do I just have to leave this thing on the
whole time? But yeah, those were those were that was
the technology that was fooling me.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Nineteen ninety four was NHL ninety four Did we mention
this or is this my brain playing?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
We didn't mention it, but you did not, No, we
did not.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
That's like one of the greatest video games of all
time ninety four.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
That was game referenced in Swingers.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, I mean the big thing was the use of
the one timer was I mean, that was it was
pretty money. You scored almost that will that way.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I had a great game. I had such a tough
time figure out how to score goals in those games.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
You had to hold down the button and then release
it right as you got.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
The pie game. Yeah, I know, the one timers were
the easier way but how like you.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Get I was big, I would gretzky. I would go
around the back of the net.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I couldn't do that. I would just have to take
a slap shot and then it would be saved.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
I was more of a rowneck guy. Ronick, Jimmy Renick,
Mike MacDonough.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Was Rome still on at night at that point in
time or did he go national middle of the day.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
I think it was right in the right when he
started to go during the daytime and then they gave
him the talk to show. Jim Everett was right around
those times. I had surgery on my thumb in nineteen
ninety four, dislocated video. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that wasn't fun.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
What's the segment called? Don't call it a throwback? Yes, yes,
don't don't call it a throwback Thursday. You got to
keep her there, Jason.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
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Speaker 1 (30:30):
I think the question becomes as you listen to Doug
gotleib Shaw on Fox Sports Radio, Little John Denver for you.
We were talking about Joe Burrow and whether or not
we give him a pass. Basically, what's asked. Do we
give him a pass because we like him because he's
(30:50):
Joe Cool because he dyed his hair, or is James
Jones just going after him because he's doing the What
about is we'll asks Mike Sando, NFL writer for The Athletic.
He's been coming to the NFL for nearly three decades.
He'll join us in a couple of moments. I want
to share with you this. So Colorado State plays Colorado.
Remember last year's game, brutly physical game. Colorado State had
(31:13):
a shot. I think I had lost an overtime on
the road at Folsom Field. Here's their captain. Colorado State's
captain Tory Horton and Braden Fowler had this to say
but their matchup with Colorado this week.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
He owed them one and as this time, that's been
sitting on everybody, you know, mine, since we came back
from break. You know, we owe them and we walked
away from that game, you know, as you know, we
kind of left it all on the field. I don't
feel like we left it all on the field because
we should have murdered them guys, and you know they
came out with that attitude as they were on top
of the world. And this ain't no Cinderella story, so
(31:52):
humble for events.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, I think that's awesome. It was an unbelievably physical game.
Probably my favorite game to watch, not the best game,
but my favorite game to watch last year in college football.
And we got the rematch upcoming this weekend. Nothing wrong
with a good college football rivalry, not at all. At
STUG got leave show here on Fox Sports Radio. We
(32:15):
mentioned Mike Sando. Of course he joined us to give
us his quarterback tiers, which everybody in football can't can't
you cannot wait to read. That was going back to
the preseason. Now, of course we're a couple. We're a
game into the regular season. We have Week two getting
ready to get underway in Miami tonight, and he joins us.
Now it writes for the Athletic It's Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Mike, this is interesting, right, Like Miami
(32:37):
usually awesome at home in September because of the heat.
But a lot of that is when you play this
afternoon games in South Florida, you get that sun beating
down on visiting sideline. Don't have that tonight still gonna
be warm, Muggy. How much do you think that changes
the game, that you don't have the sideline effect, that
that sunshine almost like you underneath the underneath, like a
(33:03):
looking glass sort of effect.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
Yeah, I think it takes some of the edge off, Doug.
But you're also in a short week for Buffalo too,
so you know, maybe the fatigue factor's still there. I
still think it's a good home field advantage for Miami.
And it's going to be warm, right and I don't
know what the temperature is it's to kickoff, but it's
going to feel warm. There's not going to be a
cool ocean breeze. I wouldn't think like you get sometimes
on the West Coast.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Okay, how did how did Miami look last weekend?
Speaker 8 (33:33):
Well, I mean they won the game. It was very
close to being broken open for Jacksonville had they you know,
not fumbled going into the end zone. But I think
it was a good first game. You know, they had
the major distraction of the Tyreek Hill situation before and
yet they came out and got it done. So there
were missed opportunities. I mean Tua had had a guy
deep at one point, missed him, but there was a
(33:53):
lot of sloppiness in Week one. I think it's big
to get the win, and this would be even bigger
if they can stack a division win against Buffalo they
need to beat in the division.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
There are a lot of people that seem to give
it up on Buffalo's chances to get into super Bowls, like, Ah,
windows closed, what do you think about their window?
Speaker 8 (34:09):
Yeah, well, I think there's two different windows. There's there's
one window that you're right if you're comparing them to
Kansas City. I have a harder time feeling like they're
going to you know, overcome Kansas City in the playoffs,
likely on the road to go to the super Bowl
and win it. I do believe that they're behind in
getting their you know, defense younger and better the way
(34:30):
Kansas City has done. They're just starting trying to you know,
turn the page with their weaponry. So I think they
are a different type of team. That doesn't mean that
they're bad though, or that they might not win the
AFC East. I think there's still a good team that
will be in it, and you know, with their quarterback, like,
I don't know that I would bet against them to
win the division, even with some of the stuff around them.
(34:51):
So that's all it is. It's a it's a different
type of window to me where it would be more
of an upset if they went and won the Super Bowl.
But they're still good and they're going to try to
get it back over the next couple of seasons.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Do the Giants know how bad they are?
Speaker 8 (35:10):
Probably? I mean, I would think that a lot of
times you go into the season overrating how good you are.
That does happen. But that had to be a wake
up call in the first game. Not only that they
were one of two home underdogs going into Week one
and they were playing Sam Darnold and they were a
home underdog. So that has to tell you a little
(35:31):
bit about who you are. You know, who you really are.
The thing that's most interesting to me about them is
if it's becomes a lot of season and Daniel Jones
is struggling, They've got a lot of injury guarantees on
him for the future, and that will become a storyline.
If they're you know, oh and three, oh and four,
that's sort of a thing. How long do you keep
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going you.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Mean, shutting him down even though like healthy scratch, well,
that will.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
Be talked about, just like it was with Derek Carr
at the end of his tenure, if it really goes
off of the rails. I saw another note too. It
was in some kind of a point spread type newsletter
or something I was reading. I think they're one of
the teams that would actually the point spread value of
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their backup would be better than their starter. They might
be gain a point in a spread if Locke were playing.
So I think that tells you what the opinions are
right now. And you know, there's no you know, it's
a huge year for them. They've all took back the
play calling. This is the quarterback they signed, he's healthy.
(36:38):
They got to make it work.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
They do. Mike Sander joining us nflc and writer for
the Athletics Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to
you from the TIREC dot Com Studios. I'm a big
Sam Donald fan. It's only one game, but what are
their early returns from Minnesota.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
I thought that was a great first game for him.
I don't care if they're playing the Giants or the
Panthers or whoever. You know, there had to be some
nerves going in. I did look at his career. You know,
it was whatever, fifty some starts, and there were a
dozen other games like this one, you know, where he
was efficient, had good numbers. It was a professional quarterback
(37:15):
starting quarterback level performance. So I thought that was really
good for him. It is unusual, it would be unusual,
it would be an outlier for somebody in his career,
with the state of his career the way it's gone,
to come out of that and really rise up. Let's
just say in the quarterback tiers next year, right, There's
not a lot of cases of somebody in his situation
(37:38):
climbing up into tier three or two. But that was
a promising start, and he does have a chance. I
used to do a podcast with Randy Mueller's with the
Saints now three times GM, and he was saying, like,
you know, even way back, like don't be surprised if
you know, Darnold kind of remakes himself and you know,
(38:01):
gets a job next year with some decent money on it.
So had that in the back of my mind a
little bit. In that first game was probably better than
I expected.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, no, I it was. It was very very efficient,
very clean. You look really comfortable, and part of it
is it's basically the same offense he's been running in
San Francisco. Going back to last year speed of San Francisco.
They throttled the Jets, And look, I granted it's it's
halfway across the country, it's San Francisco. They're really good,
But like Robert Sala, your defense can't stop the run game.
(38:30):
Don't you know a thing or two about Kyle Shanahan's
offense and she coached with him for a couple of years.
How much of that was is the Niners are just
that good, and how much of that is the Jets
are not nearly what some want them to be.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
Well, Kyle Shanahan knows all about slid too, So I'm
going to bet on Shanahan in that matchup just I
think he's such a great schemer and play designers. So
I was alarmed from a Jets standpoint of just being
pushed around as much as anything. I don't know, you know,
if it was a ton of scheme, but they got
really shoved around up front, their defense got pushed around.
(39:05):
The fort nine ers were scoring on almost every drive.
I think that was alarming. My Jets takeaways were Aaron
Rodgers has not watched. I think he looks pretty good.
I think they'll get better production from their offense as
they go. But the defense was kind of a woe
because I thought they might be better than that. And
we'll see if it was just forty nine Ers in
one game, but that was disappointing from a Jeff's standpoint.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
To say the least disappointing Chargers. Chargers just outphysicaled the Raiders.
Was that more about the Chargers and more about the Raiders.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
Well, there were three, I think two or three just
huge pivotal plays by the Raiders that reader turnovers. They
had the outlier fourth down play where they didn't go
for it, you know, one of the only times in
like ten years that somebody did in that situation. So
I was struck by this. With the Chargers, they got
great play from their offensive tackles. That is something to
build upon. You've got this quarterback who's town and you
(40:00):
want to have an identity, you know, in the run
game with your team, and they popped a couple. They
got it going. But I thought that was interesting. And
then I'm really anxious to see they had a great
defensive performance, but it's against Gardner Minshew so you have
to put a little bit of an asterisk by that.
But you know, they've been a bottom five defense, so
we're not expecting top five, top ten. But if they
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can get to if you can get the middle of
the pack or you know, you're higher than twentieth in defense,
it just changes everything. It takes a lot of pressure
off the quarterback. It lets you run the ball a
little bit like they want to do. So to me,
that's like the most interesting thing because I think they've
been way worse on defense than we thought they were
going to be, even though they had hired a defensive
head coach who was supposed to be able.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
To fix it, no question. Mike Sando joining us here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Cowboys
end up acquiescing and signing Dak Prescott to a long
term deal. What happened, What changed Jerry Jones was we're
going to let him play it out all in on
this year, and then all of a sudden, Dak's got
an extension. What happened?
Speaker 8 (41:06):
I think he always pays his guys, but but sometimes
he just waits and waits and waits and prolongs it
as long as he can to see if maybe he
can not do it, and then he pays them. So
I thought this one had a chance just because I
thought Dak might push this one because he had such
a great leverage there with the NOE franchise tag ability.
He could have tried to push this to free agency.
(41:27):
But I think in the end this tells us Dak
wanted to be the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys more
than you know, try to push it for another five
million and have that all season sort of as a storyline.
So I thought it was a good deal for Dak.
It's what happens if you're Jerry and want to get
it done before the year, when you've given away all
your negotiating. He gave away the franchise tags, so that's
(41:48):
how you get the sixty million.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Is there with the new lawsuit out against DeShawn Watson,
is there any way the Browns use it to get
out of his contract.
Speaker 8 (42:00):
I think we have to see how it proceeds and
see what else is discovered. I think that definitely could happen.
I also think that just because his contract is guaranteed
and he's going to get a certain amount of money,
which as you said, maybe they try to get out
of that part. But even if they don't, I think
it's possible that the situation becomes untenable enough that he's
(42:22):
not on the team after this year, even if they
had all this financial commitment. We've seen teams move on
from quarterbacks or other players have huge cap hits, like
Denver did this year, because if there's more of these
lawsuit type things swirling and he's not playing good ball,
which look, I'm not going to say the bad ball
thing one game is going to be the whole season.
(42:44):
But if that's the case late in the year, I
just don't see how they sell that to the fan
base and go through that again. It just becomes too much.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Mike Sandos our guest here the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Trail. Last thing, Mike Caleb Williams seemed struggle
last week. Bears were good. Caleb was not all the
rookie quarterbacks struggle. But how much concern is there over
his accuracy in Chicago?
Speaker 8 (43:08):
I'm not going to I think he had enough body
of work in college and the evaluation of him were
good enough that we should expect ups and downs. I
do think that there was going to be a chance
this season early that they were he was going to
be a little hit and miss and big play hunting
a little bit and not as you know, not as
consistent down to down as he'll need to be because
(43:28):
he does have a lot of talent. But I think
that was, you know, also telling us a little bit
about Tennessee's defense. I think it's pretty good. They have
Dinard Wilson as their DC. He comes from Baltimore, same
as Mike McDonald, who had a really good defensive game
too against a rookie quarterback as it was. So I
think it was a combination of those factors. I'm not
(43:48):
reading overly too much into it, but I do think
there's going to be ups and downs for sure.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah. Well that last week was a bit of a down,
although the team won, so that's a bit of an up,
although we saw Denver h and wash and both lose.
Mike Sandos, senior NFL writer with The Athletic get the
cover of the NFL for nearly three decades. Mike, thanks
so much for joining us great insight. Truly appreciate you.
Speaker 8 (44:08):
Thank you
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