September 13, 2024 • 31 mins
Doug gives his thoughts on Tua Tagovailoa as the Dolphins' deals with yet another bad concussion. Doug reacts to Lavar Arrington's take on Tua. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Lil Wayne makes today's edition of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug gottli Show Years in
the Bonus with Doug gottl.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus, Fox Sports Tradio, iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's a Friday. Happy Friday to you. I hope you
had a great week. We've got a lot of stuff
to talk about. We got what the Fox said to
find out what's annoying Jays two? Probably everything, probably me,
But maybe the chili's gotten a little cooler because it's
getting cooler in southern California.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I'm not really sure. Really a full eventful week.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Right, I mean, if you think about it, started with
the Monday night football games which concluded Week one in
the NFL, and I guess we end or whatever with
we have some really big college games tonight, as well
as the fact that we had a divisional matchup, which
leads to the discussion on Thursday night football. In between,
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we had I think a election changing debate, had some
baseball to talk about. We've got a lot of things
going on. Let's discuss the to a thing. So Tua
Tonguebailoa doesn't play particularly well last night anyway, he wasn't
playing well, they were getting beaten badly, and then he
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runs into of all people, Tamar Hamlin, which is one
of those things like is tomorrow hambling curse? Like now
he's concussing Tua without trying to concuss to it, like
that was that sucks.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
And the final score is thirty one to ten.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
But that doesn't even begin to get to because the
Bills had thirty one at the end of the third
and really took their foot well off the gas.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
As I said, Tua was struggling. He had three interceptions
and one felt like a miscommunication, one hit off a
wide receiver shoulder pads, but it was just they were
just kind of a mess offensively, and you got it on.
The first thing is and we'll get to the to
a thing in one second, but the first thing is, like,
at some point we have to say, like I know
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that tua conversation is probably the most important one and
most like it's the in the rundown, it's in the
a's right, which means that you talk about the first segment,
but we shouldn't undersell the fact that he wasn't very good, right,
Like I don't know if he plays football again or
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if he plays football this year or whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
But forget about that. Even if he played like he
didn't look great. And then let's also keep in mind
that the Bills, now who we've kind of left for debt.
It's not that we don't think they're a playoff team,
but I do think a lot of us have questions
about their viability in the playoffs. And now they're staring
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at to and O. They got the Jags at home
before they had to how about.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
This stretch.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
They play at the Ravens, at the Texans, at the
Jets with no weeks off, then Titans and abouts. They're
about to step into a real a buzz saw with
Ravens Texans in a row. And then we'll see if
the Jets have figured it out by then. But nonetheless,
the Bills look good. And you know, I'd also say
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that it's pretty obvious that last night, just again, just
as last night, Josh Allen just played kind of conservatively,
didn't lose in the game. They ran the football and
they won with their defense. That's a change from this
Bills teams in the past. But the big discussion of
to day is Tuwa Tongue Bayoloa has his third documented concussion,
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and I think a lot of people are trying to
figure out if he should ever play football again, and
that's got to be a discussion.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
So I'll just give you my opinion.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
The first thing is, I understand we all want to
share our opinion, and I do this as a Caball coach.
For example, I just had my entire staff in here,
and I value other people's opinion.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I truly do.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But I'll also tell you that at the end of
the day, I got to make the decisions because that's.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
What it means to be the boss.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And in this particular case, this particular case, we can
all offer up our thoughts and suggestions and maybe even prayers,
but the only thing that matters is what Tua wants
for himself.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
And I get it.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
We all think that this is the type of brain
injury that he's going to be a vegetable by the
time he's forty years old, and we are. I think
there are a good portion of people who are concerned
about that health and what is post career life looks like.
I don't know if we give football players enough credit
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or we give them too much credit for making these
types of decisions. So the first thing is, I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That our opinions matter.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I think the only opinion that matters is really to
his family and his doctor. But I also think that
there's a certain reality to it. Wasn't a crazy hard hit.
It got your third concussion that we know of. It's
gonna limit how much you play or if you play
it all this year, and you did get the contract.
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I don't know what do you think about shutting it down?
And I understand that I was. I'm somebody who Jay
stew you and I talked before the show about the
Andrew Luck tweet, which Andrew Luck retired because, among other things,
he had to rehab his ankle and he.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Didn't want to go through that again.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
There's a difference between an ankle in your brain, right,
I think even I know that. So I'm fascinated to
know what you guys think. But I would I would
tell you that I I tended to just go, hey, man,
ask your doctor if.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You do, really, really really want to do this. If
you do go play, you probably miss the rest of
the season.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And and you know, then you do, you get to
the point to where you're one hit away. And I
also think it's we're going to make it sound like
it's sweep the leg cobra Kai, You're not going from
somebody's head. But I also think that forever, however you
play now, guys are going to try and hit you
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harder to try and get you to that next concussion
so that you will retire. So maybe it's kind of
out of their control. He's going to have to retire anyway, Jase,
what do you think?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Oh man, there's so many things to weigh in on here.
I don't even know where to start. I think, listen
to the doctors, make a decision that's best for your family.
I think it's a real boring take, but it's the
right take. There's nothing interesting about that. Yeah, I think that.
I think McDaniel's tone today, what he said earlier today,
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you guys are asking all these questions about his future,
and that's not the important thing right now. I just
wish My personal anecdote is this, my son has balance issues.
He's on the spectrum. He's got balance issues. So when
he does physical activities, he tends to fall, and he's
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fallen on the same he's broken the same elbow like
five times. It sucks. It fucking sucks because he doesn't
know how to fall. He hasn't been taught how to fall,
and it's going to continue to happen. And I feel
the same way about Tua. For whatever reason, he puts
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himself in danger more than other football players. I thought
we had heard that whole thing last year about he
took classes at jiu jitsu classes on how to fall
and everything else. Well, last night, that decision to just
not swade after he gets the first down, I just
don't understand it. I feel awful for him, but it's
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it seems to be happening to the same guy, and
that's what's frustrating.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Sam.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Yeah, so he the sliding thing. It is different than
a few years ago when it was the falling thing.
And so yeah, it was like, you're watching the game
and he goes bareling into DeMar Hamlin, like he's a
six foot three, two hundred and seventy five pound linebacker
and he's not. He's only six to one and you know,
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two hundred and change. So you're like, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Man?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
And my thing is this, he's still young. He may
continue to keep playing.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
If he does.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
I think he needs to try to obviously protect his
own brain, but also convince us that he's trying to
protect his brain by being the first quarterback that wears
a Guardian cap. I don't know, field, even if you
know they've been shown, there's been studies that show that
they do help. You know, there's anywhere I've heard from
like thirty to sixty percent reduction and concussions. Will it
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help him long term hopefully? I don't know. But if
he does continue to play, he needs to be the
first guy to support one of those and I don't
think anybody would fault him for that. It also, I
sort of had this Joe Biden to a tongue of
I looa parallel running in my head last night, like, ultimately,
it is his decision. If he wants to continue playing,
it's his brain, it's his choice. This country loves to
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get in arguments about my body, my choice, and whether
that's like abortion or that's vaccines, But at the end
of the day, it's his brain. And if he wants
to play and risk being like a vegetable at age
sixty or even before that, maybe then it's ultimately it's
his choice. If he's happy and he doesn't have like
cognitive impairment in his age. Currently he's not depressed chemically
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from concussions, then I think he has every right to
continue playing. I mean, maybe we don't know what he'll
be like down the road, but some guys, you know, boxers,
they get punched, they get knocked out, they get back up,
and they just continue their careers. I think Tour should
have a should be that he'll have a lot of
pressure from the outside, but he's the captain's own ship
on this is Dan.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Byron there, Yeah, I mean, like, look, it does come
down to a personal decision. But I think what's interesting is,
you know, forever football players have pushed through these things,
and you know, it sounds contradictory to what I said
about Andrew Luck, but again, and like an ankle and
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a shoulder or a rib is so different than the brain.
But I get my question is why not wear the
Guardian cap?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Anyway?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Why wasn't he wearing it to begin with? And I
get that we have all these new helmets with those
new technology, but man, it sure feels like his brain
is sensitive. So it's sad. I think he's done for
the year. That'd be my guess. That would be my
guess as far as does he shut it down for life,
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that's gonna be humanist doctors and frankly like this, that
is one of those decisions. And it's like one of
those It's not just you could be a vegetable. You
could also go through what some of these guys are,
where you just you have anger issues, you can't control it.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
You're paranoid, you become you know, schizophrenic or bipolar or
these things come latent or come latently out of you,
right ye.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
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Speaker 3 (11:41):
Okay, let's get to what the Fox Said, and.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Now every day at this time in the Bonus podcast,
we play for your Porsche of Fox Sports Trader of
Fox Sports TV. We call it what does the Fox Say.
Here's Colin Cowhert talking about Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Why de Man.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
Especially coaches have such a hard hard time copying, Like
I watch guys that go in like Jim Harbaugh everywhere
he goes immediately it works. He builds a culture. He's
the best culture builder in American football. Saban's retired, Belichick's gone.
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He's the best. And I think what Harbaw does it's
not schemes, because I've had multiple friends on his staff.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
It's culture.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
He builds toughness and belief and it's a great example.
So they're going to Carolina to play this week, and
then then they would have to fly back to LA
and go out to Pittsburgh. And Harbaugh said, no, no, no, no, no,
We're just gonna We're gonna bring the board games and
the snacks and we're gonna stay out east. And that
is Harbaugh, and he's done this multiple times. He did
this in San Francisco, So it's not an ideal situation.
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We have flycross country. NFL doesn't love their teams doing that.
So he just said, hey, bring the board games, guys.
We're gonna it's gonna be like training camp. We're going east.
We're not coming back for two weeks. And I don't
know why more teams.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Don't do this.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
It's just coaches have this thing about it's like their
way and my style. You know, if I ever had
to replace Jim Harbaugh, I would be like, whatever he's doing,
we're gonna do more of it.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, looks. I love what Harbaugh does.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I do and it's it's pretty old school, pretty discipline oriented,
and he gets it and he does the you know,
he'll left sleds and he'll do he'll catch passes, he might.
My only question is will they Will they get to
the point of having explosive enough offensive weapons. Until they do,
you're gonna have to win games, you know, close games
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by shortening the game. And I don't know if that
totally takes advantage of the fact they have they have
justin Herbert, this is lebar Arrington talking about Tua.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Whatever it is that Tua decides to do it, it
certainly has to be a doctor's expertise and saying what
he should first. That's first and foremost. If you need
to walk away from the game based upon the prognosis
of what your health long term will be, then that's
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what you need to do, and that's the case closed.
But if he is given that bill of health and
he is cleared, then this that's no one's that's no
one's right to tell him what they think he should
do or judge him. I mean, that's what people do. Anyway,
They're going to judge you and they're they're going to
have something to say. But he has to know he
cannot take any hits like That's to me, the bottom
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line is don't put yourself in harm's way that way.
So no way, no, how, Yes, I.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Mean figure out.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
I don't know. He can't. He can't. You can't take
hits like that. I would tell a regular quarterback, you
do not take hits like that. These are the type
of hits you do not take. Now, I'm telling Tua, bro,
you know you No, you're not supposed to take hits
like that. Please do not risk yourself like that anymore.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I don't know what else you can tell a guy
he suffered through a couple concussions and you take jiu
jitsu training to try and learn how to fall, and
yet you still propel yourself with your head going forward.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I just I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I'm with it, but I'm also with with LeVar in
terms of the process. Talk to the doctors, get a
couple of opinions, we'll figure it out. This is Dan Patrick.
He had this exchange with former Patriots defensive back Dev mccordy.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Let's say Tua was healthy and they lost this game.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
What would we be saying about the Miami Dolphins and
their approach to the Buffalo Bills last night.
Speaker 8 (15:52):
We would be saying the same thing we've been saying
over the last few years. They just can't get over
to hump with Buffalo. I think Buffalo's defensive scheme, how
they play against Miami's high powered offensive. Let's keep two
safeties deep, Let's keep everything in front of us, Let's
force you to drive the field on a ten to
twelve play drive has been the formula, and I think
they've executed it, probably better than any team in the NFL.
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They play him twice a year, so the familiar, the
speed doesn't surprise them and they play to that. And
then I think, obviously the X factor is always Josh Allen.
I think I think he's one of the best in
the game, you know, top two, top three in the game.
And when he can play a style of game for
Buffalo that is just whatever they need to win. Whether
it's him running last week as Arizona this week, you know,
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only one touchdown, not a lot of yards, but controlling
the game. I think it's just hard on Miami against Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, the getting over the hump in me lead you
to believe it's close and they just can't beat him.
That game wasn't close, and there wasn't the hump. It
feels like Buffalo has figured them out, exposed them, and
they don't really have a chance. I maybe I'm arguing
semantics and Devin mccordy was trying to be nice about it,
but we agree. I just don't even think it's as
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close as getting over the hump. All that, of course,
is inconsequential in comparison to his health and if he'll
play the rest of the season. That's what the Fox
said say.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
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Speaker 3 (17:31):
Let's find out who what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And now it's your.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Annoying, Hey, Doug. The Bengals played the Chiefs this weekend,
big matchup Bengals Chiefs and this is what Bengals star
our receiver Jamar Chase set.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Everybody knows that, bro.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's not no If you know what I'm saying, we are.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
It seemed to be an AFC and we know it now,
we got to act like it, and we got to
play like it too.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
I just need to. I think the follow up question
there is by what metric are the Bengals the team
to be in the FC? What exactly are you going
by there other than just a blind stupid confidence. Also,
Jamar Chase is having quite the last couple of months,
had a miserable day on Sunday. He is what. I
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think he's doing a disservice to his union by being
the guy that's going to get paid next and set
the market, and his holdout comes to an end when
he plays. Everyone knows your only leverage as a player
is to not play in a negotiation. So he's in
this weird thing where he plays, and what if he
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gets hurt? What if he goes to a like in
the next game, like what? There's there's so much on
the line for him. I think he's doing a disservice
to his union. So Jamar Chase annoys me for a
few reasons.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I do think he's doing the service to it, and
I also think it's one of those things where.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
We both agree.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Jamar Chase is a pretty spectacular player, right, Like none
of this has to do with how could he is?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
He's really good.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
What I'm always interested by is like Jamar Chase is
not an old man. He's only been in the league
a couple of years. And so this fight over every
last dollar and every last penny and Wayne, like, it's
just dumb. You're gonna get another contract or two, get
the money, get on the field. The most money you're
gonna make is off the field anyway, or you're gonna
make a lot more money out the field if you win,
and you're more likely to win the more you stay
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and get in the camp, get engaged. What else and
who else is annoying you?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
More details about the Tyreek Hill thing, Doug. That really
aggravate me. So the latest news is that the police
officers were going to arrest both Tyreek Hill and Coles Campbell.
They were going to arrest them until the Dolphin intervened.
I guess the police department is working in sync with
the Dolphins franchise and higher ups with the Dolphins made
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a call and they weren't arrested. If they were arrested,
they would not have played in the game. So I
guess this information was released as the media tries again
try to make the police department look like assholes that
not only was Tyreek Hill beaten like a dog, as
he said, for just a three hundred and thirty dollars
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traffic ticket, they were also going to take them to jail.
I mean, what injustice this is? How about looking at
the other side of the coin. Every human being on
the face of the planet would have served time in
jail except for a Dolphin player who is privileged and
playing for the Dolphins. How many employers can make a
call for you to keep you out of jail? And
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then there's details in the Daily Mail. David Torres, brother
of the cop that has been suspended, quote, nobody really
wants to admit that Tyreek disrespected the police officers. If
you watch the video, he did not follow instructions from
the get go. He was yelling at the officer and
telling him to not to bang on his window. If
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you know anything about dealing with police officers, you know
not to raise your window on them. All true, all true.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
All true.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
For sure, there's there's absolutely no question. But I don't
I don't want. I want to make sure that people understand.
Okay that that people very very much understand that. I
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don't think the police officers were wrong here, but I
also don't think it got to the level of having
him arrested. Does that make sense? Like, I think that
that would have been over the top. I think if
we got to that point, be like, WHOA, what are
we doing here? Could you have scared the crap out
of Tyreek Hill?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Could you have put him behind bars yet? But like,
I don't think the juice was worth the squeeze on
that one. That's my personal opinion on it. So I
understand your thoughts on Hey, my employer wouldn't get me
out of this, so why.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Should Tyreek Hill. But there's a lot of other things.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
And you know, as much as he was a dipshit
and as much as he was kind of your classic
wide receiver arrogant, here's my thing and put up. It's
embarrassment enough to be face down on the pavement as
fans drive into your stadium. So now if they want
to fire the police officer, then he should have gone
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to jail. Like it's that Like, I think everybody can
just cool off and realize that Tyreek Hill handled it poorly,
but I don't think his actions warranted him actually being
thrown behind bars and clais cam. The lesson is, like, dude,
that's the kind of thing you can get forget about arrested,
like shot if you roll up on the wrong people.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Doug, I'm gonna play you a bit of sound and
I need you to tell me what you're annoyed most by.
I have my own thoughts, but I just want to
play it kind of cold. So the setup is this
Stephen A. Smith and l Duncan today on first take,
we're talking about Tua. It got to a point where
they were talking about should Tua continue playing? And Steven A.
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Smith gets us on this thing where men men always
provide for their family. So anyways, this is what the
exchange was.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
There are sacrifices that I make as a father all
the time. I'm not around my daughters as much as
I would like to be. I'm not with my family
as much as I would like to be. Sometimes they
resented what have you. I don't care. And you know
why I don't care because I grew up starving.
Speaker 10 (23:53):
And as a result of that, anything that I do
to ensure the well being of my family moving forward.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
Even in the event that I'm not around. As selfish
as that may be, I'm willing to do it because
I knew what it was like to grow up with nothing.
These football players make those decisions every single day as
men provide protect that'sig number one priority. That's how most
of us think, and.
Speaker 10 (24:17):
That plays a role into the kind of decisions men make.
Even when they're deemed selfish, foolish, they'll advised or whatever
it comes with it when you're a man.
Speaker 11 (24:30):
Listen as someone who is a woman who has two
scars that go from hip to hip. Because I've had
two c sections in an effort to provide for my
family and create a family for my family, I understand sacrifice.
A black woman in this country whose mortality rates are
incredibly high, I understand making sacrifices and trying to mitigate
risk when it comes to your family.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It's a weird conversation, right, Like, I've always been bothered
by the and you get it from women who are
in our business, Like you know, I just people don't
know what it's like for a woman to leave your
child and go to go have to go to work. Like, Listen,
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I don't know if I've ever told you this story.
The real reason I took the CBS job. When I
was at ESPN, I had a five year extension on
my tape on my desk at ESPN, really good money
to stay. And the real thing that tipped me in
the I have to change what I'm doing and it
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probably end up backfiring in many senses was I went
up and on a day off, I went up to
my son was in his playroom, which is up on
the second floor of our home, and I kissed him
on the forehead and he goes, Daddy, go work. And
it came to my It was like the wait what
And there's two things, so it was and they're both related.
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And then I had dinner with my friends and it
was a bunch of guys and it was couples and
the women went to a Sarah McLachlan concert and the
guys gambled and said it was that like, I'm not
mohegan Son. Let's see other casino out there. I'll think
of it anyway. And one of my buddies had coached
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my daughters in soccer, and he was like, man, next
year you got to coach your girls were awesome. It
was so much fun, and I just realized that I
was signing up for five years of four to seven
radio in Connecticut, and I would never coach my daughters
in soccer because the soccer there was during the week
for that.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Age eventually gets the weekend, right, but.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Even on the weekend, like five months out of the year,
I was covering college basketball, I'll never see my kids.
So my son, who was not yet school age, he
was two or three, thought every time I came up
and gave him a kiss, I was going to work
because I worked so much. And my daughters, I realized
I wouldn't be able to see them in the afternoons
while they were school age, and I was like, yeah,
I got a I gotta make a change here. So
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I do understand on many levels what women believe men
don't understand, which is how hard it is to just
leave the house, go to work, leave your kid behind.
And the idea of being a provider. I guess it's
you know, look, it's always been my role.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Back when I was married, and well i'm not.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I'm still the provider in the family, and I take
that very seriously, and I know that's what I'm supposed
to do. And I do have strong protective instincts, but
I don't think I'm alone in that.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
But I think we're making it about things that are
it's not really about like this is a chance for
stephen A to grandstand and sound like he's the hardest
working dude ever and whatever. Look, dude, nothing you do
when you leave your house is going to cause you
to have brain damage, you know, God forbid, you know,
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unless you get into some terrible car accident.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
You know. Outside of that, like whether you work or.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Don't work, whether you hear it out there, it really is,
it really does.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Determine you know, you're if you're available to your children.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
That's different than if you can if you're drinking your
meals out of a straw the rest of your life.
So we're making it about ourselves, which is what so
many people do, instead of making it about Tua. When
you make it about Tua, you realize that nothing you
could say has anything to do with his decision.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Anybody else, No, that's it.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
My thoughts on that last exchange is that Steve, We've
learned two things that I didn't really need to know.
Steven A is not a present father and that's nothing
to be bragging about. And El Duncan has two has
scars from two c sections. Again not a visual I
need when I'm eating my breakfast in the morning. But
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I just think that it's like as Steve as stephen
A was like posturing. He kept saying us as men
and men and men, and it's like that that really
is like old language, Like that's like right out of
like the nineteen fifties. You know, that's just not that's
not the reality of the world. So the the exchange
was annoying because it got to that point and she's
(29:16):
talking about being a black woman in society and I
don't know what that had to do with anything, but
the whole thing just kind of aggravated me.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah, it was pretty aggravating. I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
So that in that exchange the Tyreek Hill details and
then Jamar Chase is annoyed.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
What was the middle one?
Speaker 4 (29:43):
The Tyreek Hill would have been arrested.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
And there's and then there's a stephen A and.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
El Duncan exchange out. Jamar Chase says, the Bengals are
the team to be in the a f C.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, the Bengals aren't the team to be in the FC,
the team to beat in the AFC. Is kant say,
Chiefs And you just lost to the Union Patriots at home,
and because you were around in practice, your team didn't
look sharp. You're the team to be. You gotta act
like it. The Chiefs act like it, Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Is it? Why are we doing best?
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Why do.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Because we can?
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Hey Doug? The Super Bowls of New Orleans this year,
and Lil Wayne is from New Orleans. He did not
get selected to be the halftime performer, as it went
to Kendrick Lamar and will Wayne admittedly was affected by that.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
That heard a lot.
Speaker 12 (30:41):
I blame myself for not being mentally prepared for a letdown,
just automatically mentally putting myself in that position, like somebody
told me that was my position.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
So I blame myself for that.
Speaker 8 (30:54):
But I thought that was nothing, you know.
Speaker 12 (30:57):
I thought that was nothing.
Speaker 13 (30:58):
Better than that spot, in that stage, in that platform,
in my city. So I heard, I heard a whole lot,
But y'all, y'all are fucking amazing. It made me feel
like shit not getting this this opportunity too.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
You guys reminded me that I ain't.
Speaker 13 (31:16):
Ship without Jump and that's an amazing reality team. So,
like I said, it broke me and I'm just trying
to put.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Me back together. Hmm.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
That's strong. I had no I had no idea that
it was. Now remember when you talking about my city.
He's from New Orleans, so and Kendrick Lamar obviously from
Los Angeles. And the other part to it is Kenz
Kamar's song. They not like us, like there's it is.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
That's the song we're gonna have at the super Bowl. Okay,
well I can't play it for you because we can.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's a Friday. Happy Friday to you. I hope you
had a great week. We've got a lot of stuff
to talk about. We got what the Fox said to
find out what's annoying Jays two? Probably everything, probably me,
But maybe the chili's gotten a little cooler because it's
getting cooler in southern California.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I'm not really sure. Really a full eventful week.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Right, I mean, if you think about it, started with
the Monday night football games which concluded Week one in
the NFL, and I guess we end or whatever with
we have some really big college games tonight, as well
as the fact that we had a divisional matchup, which
leads to the discussion on Thursday night football. In between,
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we had I think a election changing debate, had some
baseball to talk about. We've got a lot of things
going on. Let's discuss the to a thing. So Tua
Tonguebailoa doesn't play particularly well last night anyway, he wasn't
playing well, they were getting beaten badly, and then he
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runs into of all people, Tamar Hamlin, which is one
of those things like is tomorrow hambling curse? Like now
he's concussing Tua without trying to concuss to it, like
that was that sucks.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
And the final score is thirty one to ten.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
But that doesn't even begin to get to because the
Bills had thirty one at the end of the third
and really took their foot well off the gas.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
As I said, Tua was struggling. He had three interceptions
and one felt like a miscommunication, one hit off a
wide receiver shoulder pads, but it was just they were
just kind of a mess offensively, and you got it on.
The first thing is and we'll get to the to
a thing in one second, but the first thing is, like,
at some point we have to say, like I know
(02:01):
that tua conversation is probably the most important one and
most like it's the in the rundown, it's in the
a's right, which means that you talk about the first segment,
but we shouldn't undersell the fact that he wasn't very good, right,
Like I don't know if he plays football again or
(02:23):
if he plays football this year or whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
But forget about that. Even if he played like he
didn't look great. And then let's also keep in mind
that the Bills, now who we've kind of left for debt.
It's not that we don't think they're a playoff team,
but I do think a lot of us have questions
about their viability in the playoffs. And now they're staring
(02:46):
at to and O. They got the Jags at home
before they had to how about.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
This stretch.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
They play at the Ravens, at the Texans, at the
Jets with no weeks off, then Titans and abouts. They're
about to step into a real a buzz saw with
Ravens Texans in a row. And then we'll see if
the Jets have figured it out by then. But nonetheless,
the Bills look good. And you know, I'd also say
(03:18):
that it's pretty obvious that last night, just again, just
as last night, Josh Allen just played kind of conservatively,
didn't lose in the game. They ran the football and
they won with their defense. That's a change from this
Bills teams in the past. But the big discussion of
to day is Tuwa Tongue Bayoloa has his third documented concussion,
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and I think a lot of people are trying to
figure out if he should ever play football again, and
that's got to be a discussion.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
So I'll just give you my opinion.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
The first thing is, I understand we all want to
share our opinion, and I do this as a Caball coach.
For example, I just had my entire staff in here,
and I value other people's opinion.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I truly do.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But I'll also tell you that at the end of
the day, I got to make the decisions because that's.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
What it means to be the boss.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And in this particular case, this particular case, we can
all offer up our thoughts and suggestions and maybe even prayers,
but the only thing that matters is what Tua wants
for himself.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
And I get it.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
We all think that this is the type of brain
injury that he's going to be a vegetable by the
time he's forty years old, and we are. I think
there are a good portion of people who are concerned
about that health and what is post career life looks like.
I don't know if we give football players enough credit
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or we give them too much credit for making these
types of decisions. So the first thing is, I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That our opinions matter.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I think the only opinion that matters is really to
his family and his doctor. But I also think that
there's a certain reality to it. Wasn't a crazy hard hit.
It got your third concussion that we know of. It's
gonna limit how much you play or if you play
it all this year, and you did get the contract.
(05:24):
I don't know what do you think about shutting it down?
And I understand that I was. I'm somebody who Jay
stew you and I talked before the show about the
Andrew Luck tweet, which Andrew Luck retired because, among other things,
he had to rehab his ankle and he.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Didn't want to go through that again.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
There's a difference between an ankle in your brain, right,
I think even I know that. So I'm fascinated to
know what you guys think. But I would I would
tell you that I I tended to just go, hey, man,
ask your doctor if.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You do, really, really really want to do this. If
you do go play, you probably miss the rest of
the season.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And and you know, then you do, you get to
the point to where you're one hit away. And I
also think it's we're going to make it sound like
it's sweep the leg cobra Kai, You're not going from
somebody's head. But I also think that forever, however you
play now, guys are going to try and hit you
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harder to try and get you to that next concussion
so that you will retire. So maybe it's kind of
out of their control. He's going to have to retire anyway, Jase,
what do you think?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Oh man, there's so many things to weigh in on here.
I don't even know where to start. I think, listen
to the doctors, make a decision that's best for your family.
I think it's a real boring take, but it's the
right take. There's nothing interesting about that. Yeah, I think that.
I think McDaniel's tone today, what he said earlier today,
(07:05):
you guys are asking all these questions about his future,
and that's not the important thing right now. I just
wish My personal anecdote is this, my son has balance issues.
He's on the spectrum. He's got balance issues. So when
he does physical activities, he tends to fall, and he's
(07:28):
fallen on the same he's broken the same elbow like
five times. It sucks. It fucking sucks because he doesn't
know how to fall. He hasn't been taught how to fall,
and it's going to continue to happen. And I feel
the same way about Tua. For whatever reason, he puts
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himself in danger more than other football players. I thought
we had heard that whole thing last year about he
took classes at jiu jitsu classes on how to fall
and everything else. Well, last night, that decision to just
not swade after he gets the first down, I just
don't understand it. I feel awful for him, but it's
(08:13):
it seems to be happening to the same guy, and
that's what's frustrating.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Sam.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Yeah, so he the sliding thing. It is different than
a few years ago when it was the falling thing.
And so yeah, it was like, you're watching the game
and he goes bareling into DeMar Hamlin, like he's a
six foot three, two hundred and seventy five pound linebacker
and he's not. He's only six to one and you know,
(08:42):
two hundred and change. So you're like, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Man?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
And my thing is this, he's still young. He may
continue to keep playing.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
If he does.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
I think he needs to try to obviously protect his
own brain, but also convince us that he's trying to
protect his brain by being the first quarterback that wears
a Guardian cap. I don't know, field, even if you
know they've been shown, there's been studies that show that
they do help. You know, there's anywhere I've heard from
like thirty to sixty percent reduction and concussions. Will it
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help him long term hopefully? I don't know. But if
he does continue to play, he needs to be the
first guy to support one of those and I don't
think anybody would fault him for that. It also, I
sort of had this Joe Biden to a tongue of
I looa parallel running in my head last night, like, ultimately,
it is his decision. If he wants to continue playing,
it's his brain, it's his choice. This country loves to
(09:34):
get in arguments about my body, my choice, and whether
that's like abortion or that's vaccines, But at the end
of the day, it's his brain. And if he wants
to play and risk being like a vegetable at age
sixty or even before that, maybe then it's ultimately it's
his choice. If he's happy and he doesn't have like
cognitive impairment in his age. Currently he's not depressed chemically
(09:58):
from concussions, then I think he has every right to
continue playing. I mean, maybe we don't know what he'll
be like down the road, but some guys, you know, boxers,
they get punched, they get knocked out, they get back up,
and they just continue their careers. I think Tour should
have a should be that he'll have a lot of
pressure from the outside, but he's the captain's own ship
on this is Dan.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Byron there, Yeah, I mean, like, look, it does come
down to a personal decision. But I think what's interesting is,
you know, forever football players have pushed through these things,
and you know, it sounds contradictory to what I said
about Andrew Luck, but again, and like an ankle and
(10:39):
a shoulder or a rib is so different than the brain.
But I get my question is why not wear the
Guardian cap?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Anyway?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Why wasn't he wearing it to begin with? And I
get that we have all these new helmets with those
new technology, but man, it sure feels like his brain
is sensitive. So it's sad. I think he's done for
the year. That'd be my guess. That would be my
guess as far as does he shut it down for life,
(11:09):
that's gonna be humanist doctors and frankly like this, that
is one of those decisions. And it's like one of
those It's not just you could be a vegetable. You
could also go through what some of these guys are,
where you just you have anger issues, you can't control it.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
You're paranoid, you become you know, schizophrenic or bipolar or
these things come latent or come latently out of you,
right ye.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 3 (11:41):
Okay, let's get to what the Fox Said, and.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Now every day at this time in the Bonus podcast,
we play for your Porsche of Fox Sports Trader of
Fox Sports TV. We call it what does the Fox Say.
Here's Colin Cowhert talking about Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Why de Man.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
Especially coaches have such a hard hard time copying, Like
I watch guys that go in like Jim Harbaugh everywhere
he goes immediately it works. He builds a culture. He's
the best culture builder in American football. Saban's retired, Belichick's gone.
(12:17):
He's the best. And I think what Harbaw does it's
not schemes, because I've had multiple friends on his staff.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
It's culture.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
He builds toughness and belief and it's a great example.
So they're going to Carolina to play this week, and
then then they would have to fly back to LA
and go out to Pittsburgh. And Harbaugh said, no, no, no, no, no,
We're just gonna We're gonna bring the board games and
the snacks and we're gonna stay out east. And that
is Harbaugh, and he's done this multiple times. He did
this in San Francisco, So it's not an ideal situation.
(12:47):
We have flycross country. NFL doesn't love their teams doing that.
So he just said, hey, bring the board games, guys.
We're gonna it's gonna be like training camp. We're going east.
We're not coming back for two weeks. And I don't
know why more teams.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Don't do this.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
It's just coaches have this thing about it's like their
way and my style. You know, if I ever had
to replace Jim Harbaugh, I would be like, whatever he's doing,
we're gonna do more of it.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, looks. I love what Harbaugh does.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I do and it's it's pretty old school, pretty discipline oriented,
and he gets it and he does the you know,
he'll left sleds and he'll do he'll catch passes, he might.
My only question is will they Will they get to
the point of having explosive enough offensive weapons. Until they do,
you're gonna have to win games, you know, close games
(13:41):
by shortening the game. And I don't know if that
totally takes advantage of the fact they have they have
justin Herbert, this is lebar Arrington talking about Tua.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Whatever it is that Tua decides to do it, it
certainly has to be a doctor's expertise and saying what
he should first. That's first and foremost. If you need
to walk away from the game based upon the prognosis
of what your health long term will be, then that's
(14:12):
what you need to do, and that's the case closed.
But if he is given that bill of health and
he is cleared, then this that's no one's that's no
one's right to tell him what they think he should
do or judge him. I mean, that's what people do. Anyway,
They're going to judge you and they're they're going to
have something to say. But he has to know he
cannot take any hits like That's to me, the bottom
(14:35):
line is don't put yourself in harm's way that way.
So no way, no, how, Yes, I.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Mean figure out.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
I don't know. He can't. He can't. You can't take
hits like that. I would tell a regular quarterback, you
do not take hits like that. These are the type
of hits you do not take. Now, I'm telling Tua, bro,
you know you No, you're not supposed to take hits
like that. Please do not risk yourself like that anymore.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I don't know what else you can tell a guy
he suffered through a couple concussions and you take jiu
jitsu training to try and learn how to fall, and
yet you still propel yourself with your head going forward.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I just I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I'm with it, but I'm also with with LeVar in
terms of the process. Talk to the doctors, get a
couple of opinions, we'll figure it out. This is Dan Patrick.
He had this exchange with former Patriots defensive back Dev mccordy.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Let's say Tua was healthy and they lost this game.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
What would we be saying about the Miami Dolphins and
their approach to the Buffalo Bills last night.
Speaker 8 (15:52):
We would be saying the same thing we've been saying
over the last few years. They just can't get over
to hump with Buffalo. I think Buffalo's defensive scheme, how
they play against Miami's high powered offensive. Let's keep two
safeties deep, Let's keep everything in front of us, Let's
force you to drive the field on a ten to
twelve play drive has been the formula, and I think
they've executed it, probably better than any team in the NFL.
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They play him twice a year, so the familiar, the
speed doesn't surprise them and they play to that. And
then I think, obviously the X factor is always Josh Allen.
I think I think he's one of the best in
the game, you know, top two, top three in the game.
And when he can play a style of game for
Buffalo that is just whatever they need to win. Whether
it's him running last week as Arizona this week, you know,
(16:36):
only one touchdown, not a lot of yards, but controlling
the game. I think it's just hard on Miami against Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, the getting over the hump in me lead you
to believe it's close and they just can't beat him.
That game wasn't close, and there wasn't the hump. It
feels like Buffalo has figured them out, exposed them, and
they don't really have a chance. I maybe I'm arguing
semantics and Devin mccordy was trying to be nice about it,
but we agree. I just don't even think it's as
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close as getting over the hump. All that, of course,
is inconsequential in comparison to his health and if he'll
play the rest of the season. That's what the Fox
said say.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Let's find out who what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And now it's your.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Annoying, Hey, Doug. The Bengals played the Chiefs this weekend,
big matchup Bengals Chiefs and this is what Bengals star
our receiver Jamar Chase set.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Everybody knows that, bro.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's not no If you know what I'm saying, we are.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
It seemed to be an AFC and we know it now,
we got to act like it, and we got to
play like it too.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
I just need to. I think the follow up question
there is by what metric are the Bengals the team
to be in the FC? What exactly are you going
by there other than just a blind stupid confidence. Also,
Jamar Chase is having quite the last couple of months,
had a miserable day on Sunday. He is what. I
(18:28):
think he's doing a disservice to his union by being
the guy that's going to get paid next and set
the market, and his holdout comes to an end when
he plays. Everyone knows your only leverage as a player
is to not play in a negotiation. So he's in
this weird thing where he plays, and what if he
(18:50):
gets hurt? What if he goes to a like in
the next game, like what? There's there's so much on
the line for him. I think he's doing a disservice
to his union. So Jamar Chase annoys me for a
few reasons.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I do think he's doing the service to it, and
I also think it's one of those things where.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
We both agree.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Jamar Chase is a pretty spectacular player, right, Like none
of this has to do with how could he is?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
He's really good.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
What I'm always interested by is like Jamar Chase is
not an old man. He's only been in the league
a couple of years. And so this fight over every
last dollar and every last penny and Wayne, like, it's
just dumb. You're gonna get another contract or two, get
the money, get on the field. The most money you're
gonna make is off the field anyway, or you're gonna
make a lot more money out the field if you win,
and you're more likely to win the more you stay
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and get in the camp, get engaged. What else and
who else is annoying you?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
More details about the Tyreek Hill thing, Doug. That really
aggravate me. So the latest news is that the police
officers were going to arrest both Tyreek Hill and Coles Campbell.
They were going to arrest them until the Dolphin intervened.
I guess the police department is working in sync with
the Dolphins franchise and higher ups with the Dolphins made
(20:09):
a call and they weren't arrested. If they were arrested,
they would not have played in the game. So I
guess this information was released as the media tries again
try to make the police department look like assholes that
not only was Tyreek Hill beaten like a dog, as
he said, for just a three hundred and thirty dollars
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traffic ticket, they were also going to take them to jail.
I mean, what injustice this is? How about looking at
the other side of the coin. Every human being on
the face of the planet would have served time in
jail except for a Dolphin player who is privileged and
playing for the Dolphins. How many employers can make a
call for you to keep you out of jail? And
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then there's details in the Daily Mail. David Torres, brother
of the cop that has been suspended, quote, nobody really
wants to admit that Tyreek disrespected the police officers. If
you watch the video, he did not follow instructions from
the get go. He was yelling at the officer and
telling him to not to bang on his window. If
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you know anything about dealing with police officers, you know
not to raise your window on them. All true, all true.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
All true.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
For sure, there's there's absolutely no question. But I don't
I don't want. I want to make sure that people understand.
Okay that that people very very much understand that. I
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don't think the police officers were wrong here, but I
also don't think it got to the level of having
him arrested. Does that make sense? Like, I think that
that would have been over the top. I think if
we got to that point, be like, WHOA, what are
we doing here? Could you have scared the crap out
of Tyreek Hill?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Could you have put him behind bars yet? But like,
I don't think the juice was worth the squeeze on
that one. That's my personal opinion on it. So I
understand your thoughts on Hey, my employer wouldn't get me
out of this, so why.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Should Tyreek Hill. But there's a lot of other things.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
And you know, as much as he was a dipshit
and as much as he was kind of your classic
wide receiver arrogant, here's my thing and put up. It's
embarrassment enough to be face down on the pavement as
fans drive into your stadium. So now if they want
to fire the police officer, then he should have gone
(22:46):
to jail. Like it's that Like, I think everybody can
just cool off and realize that Tyreek Hill handled it poorly,
but I don't think his actions warranted him actually being
thrown behind bars and clais cam. The lesson is, like, dude,
that's the kind of thing you can get forget about arrested,
like shot if you roll up on the wrong people.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Doug, I'm gonna play you a bit of sound and
I need you to tell me what you're annoyed most by.
I have my own thoughts, but I just want to
play it kind of cold. So the setup is this
Stephen A. Smith and l Duncan today on first take,
we're talking about Tua. It got to a point where
they were talking about should Tua continue playing? And Steven A.
(23:29):
Smith gets us on this thing where men men always
provide for their family. So anyways, this is what the
exchange was.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
There are sacrifices that I make as a father all
the time. I'm not around my daughters as much as
I would like to be. I'm not with my family
as much as I would like to be. Sometimes they
resented what have you. I don't care. And you know
why I don't care because I grew up starving.
Speaker 10 (23:53):
And as a result of that, anything that I do
to ensure the well being of my family moving forward.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
Even in the event that I'm not around. As selfish
as that may be, I'm willing to do it because
I knew what it was like to grow up with nothing.
These football players make those decisions every single day as
men provide protect that'sig number one priority. That's how most
of us think, and.
Speaker 10 (24:17):
That plays a role into the kind of decisions men make.
Even when they're deemed selfish, foolish, they'll advised or whatever
it comes with it when you're a man.
Speaker 11 (24:30):
Listen as someone who is a woman who has two
scars that go from hip to hip. Because I've had
two c sections in an effort to provide for my
family and create a family for my family, I understand sacrifice.
A black woman in this country whose mortality rates are
incredibly high, I understand making sacrifices and trying to mitigate
risk when it comes to your family.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It's a weird conversation, right, Like, I've always been bothered
by the and you get it from women who are
in our business, Like you know, I just people don't
know what it's like for a woman to leave your
child and go to go have to go to work. Like, Listen,
(25:17):
I don't know if I've ever told you this story.
The real reason I took the CBS job. When I
was at ESPN, I had a five year extension on
my tape on my desk at ESPN, really good money
to stay. And the real thing that tipped me in
the I have to change what I'm doing and it
(25:39):
probably end up backfiring in many senses was I went
up and on a day off, I went up to
my son was in his playroom, which is up on
the second floor of our home, and I kissed him
on the forehead and he goes, Daddy, go work. And
it came to my It was like the wait what
And there's two things, so it was and they're both related.
(26:00):
And then I had dinner with my friends and it
was a bunch of guys and it was couples and
the women went to a Sarah McLachlan concert and the
guys gambled and said it was that like, I'm not
mohegan Son. Let's see other casino out there. I'll think
of it anyway. And one of my buddies had coached
(26:24):
my daughters in soccer, and he was like, man, next
year you got to coach your girls were awesome. It
was so much fun, and I just realized that I
was signing up for five years of four to seven
radio in Connecticut, and I would never coach my daughters
in soccer because the soccer there was during the week
for that.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Age eventually gets the weekend, right, but.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Even on the weekend, like five months out of the year,
I was covering college basketball, I'll never see my kids.
So my son, who was not yet school age, he
was two or three, thought every time I came up
and gave him a kiss, I was going to work
because I worked so much. And my daughters, I realized
I wouldn't be able to see them in the afternoons
while they were school age, and I was like, yeah,
I got a I gotta make a change here. So
(27:02):
I do understand on many levels what women believe men
don't understand, which is how hard it is to just
leave the house, go to work, leave your kid behind.
And the idea of being a provider. I guess it's
you know, look, it's always been my role.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Back when I was married, and well i'm not.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I'm still the provider in the family, and I take
that very seriously, and I know that's what I'm supposed
to do. And I do have strong protective instincts, but
I don't think I'm alone in that.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
But I think we're making it about things that are
it's not really about like this is a chance for
stephen A to grandstand and sound like he's the hardest
working dude ever and whatever. Look, dude, nothing you do
when you leave your house is going to cause you
to have brain damage, you know, God forbid, you know,
(27:56):
unless you get into some terrible car accident.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
You know. Outside of that, like whether you work or.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Don't work, whether you hear it out there, it really is,
it really does.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Determine you know, you're if you're available to your children.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
That's different than if you can if you're drinking your
meals out of a straw the rest of your life.
So we're making it about ourselves, which is what so
many people do, instead of making it about Tua. When
you make it about Tua, you realize that nothing you
could say has anything to do with his decision.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Anybody else, No, that's it.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
My thoughts on that last exchange is that Steve, We've
learned two things that I didn't really need to know.
Steven A is not a present father and that's nothing
to be bragging about. And El Duncan has two has
scars from two c sections. Again not a visual I
need when I'm eating my breakfast in the morning. But
(28:54):
I just think that it's like as Steve as stephen
A was like posturing. He kept saying us as men
and men and men, and it's like that that really
is like old language, Like that's like right out of
like the nineteen fifties. You know, that's just not that's
not the reality of the world. So the the exchange
was annoying because it got to that point and she's
(29:16):
talking about being a black woman in society and I
don't know what that had to do with anything, but
the whole thing just kind of aggravated me.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah, it was pretty aggravating. I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
So that in that exchange the Tyreek Hill details and
then Jamar Chase is annoyed.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
What was the middle one?
Speaker 4 (29:43):
The Tyreek Hill would have been arrested.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
And there's and then there's a stephen A and.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
El Duncan exchange out. Jamar Chase says, the Bengals are
the team to be in the a f C.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, the Bengals aren't the team to be in the FC,
the team to beat in the AFC. Is kant say,
Chiefs And you just lost to the Union Patriots at home,
and because you were around in practice, your team didn't
look sharp. You're the team to be. You gotta act
like it. The Chiefs act like it, Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Is it? Why are we doing best?
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Why do.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Because we can?
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Hey Doug? The Super Bowls of New Orleans this year,
and Lil Wayne is from New Orleans. He did not
get selected to be the halftime performer, as it went
to Kendrick Lamar and will Wayne admittedly was affected by that.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
That heard a lot.
Speaker 12 (30:41):
I blame myself for not being mentally prepared for a letdown,
just automatically mentally putting myself in that position, like somebody
told me that was my position.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
So I blame myself for that.
Speaker 8 (30:54):
But I thought that was nothing, you know.
Speaker 12 (30:57):
I thought that was nothing.
Speaker 13 (30:58):
Better than that spot, in that stage, in that platform,
in my city. So I heard, I heard a whole lot,
But y'all, y'all are fucking amazing. It made me feel
like shit not getting this this opportunity too.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
You guys reminded me that I ain't.
Speaker 13 (31:16):
Ship without Jump and that's an amazing reality team. So,
like I said, it broke me and I'm just trying
to put.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Me back together. Hmm.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
That's strong. I had no I had no idea that
it was. Now remember when you talking about my city.
He's from New Orleans, so and Kendrick Lamar obviously from
Los Angeles. And the other part to it is Kenz
Kamar's song. They not like us, like there's it is.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
That's the song we're gonna have at the super Bowl. Okay,
well I can't play it for you because we can.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
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