September 14, 2024 • 57 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Week Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug opens by talking about the released bodycam footage of the incident with Dolphins' star Tyreek Hill from Sunday and explains how the footage shows that the police officers seemed to be doing what they are trained to do.
On this week's version of The Midway, Doug and the crew talk about the biggest overreactions from week one of the NFL.
Doug gives his opinion of what Tua Tagovailoa should do next as he suffered a bad concussion on Thursday night.
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have a ton to get to. Let me introduce the crew,
if you will. That's the one and only Jason Stewart
STU as he's known, and of course you have Dan
Byer will be part of the is a huge part
of the show, and of course you're hear him with
the updates then Chris Burfett on the Ones and two. First,
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I just want to check and make sure you guys
have all seen you guys have all seen the video
of Tyreek Hill being cuffed and stuffed on Sunday. Correct.
When I see the video, I'm not saying the normal video.
I'm saying the bodycam footage that was released last night.
(01:32):
Have you guys all seen that?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yep? Yes, several body comps.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
By the way, or yeah, multiple ones multiple different times
as well.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, yeah. I guess what I'll do is I'll give
my opinion first, okay. And the problem with giving your
opinion first when it's your show is sometimes on some
shows guys are scared to give their own opinion. Okay,
our guys are not. You know, my opinion often differs
with either with Jay stew or with Dan Byer, and
(02:03):
so I respect it. So please please don't think that
me in my opinion should stop you from having your opinion.
The first thing is it's really easy for lots of
shows like mine to avoid this topic. It just is,
you know, do the update, do the thing whatever. I
just don't want to. I think that's just so soft
(02:26):
because I think it's one of those things where both
things can be true. Okay, it can be true that historically,
historically black men can feel like they're treated poorly by police,
and yet this is not an example of that. Right,
(02:53):
it can also be both be true that police are
on a power trip. This might not be a great
example of that. So I'll just tell you what I've
seen from the video. And I have friends that are
police officers. I have friends that despise police officers. I've
(03:17):
personally felt like, not necessarily violated, but I felt like
there's been cops who have been over the top, and
I've had cops treat me with incredible kindness not knowing.
Was my first week on the job at Green Bay
as a head coach. I couldn't sleep. In the middle
of the night, I got up, I drove. I was
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staying at a hotel called the Legacy Hotel, which brand
new hotel looks over lambeau Field. I got my car
and I took a left and like Midwest small town America,
there's only gas stations open at like midnight, one in
the morning, whatever time it was, and I just wanted
to snack, and so I went into like a quick
(03:58):
trip or whatever and got I got a liquid death
and a coffee. No, I didn't get a coffee trying
to I was trying to go to sleep. I got
a liquid death and I got like a power bar
or something and maybe some sunflower seeds. And I got
my car and I took a wrong turn again, like
it was I think six day in town. I took
(04:21):
a wrong turn, so I went to light. I flipped
a yuie, came back and got lit up and they're
like what do you? And I got pulled over and
there's three cop cars like what are you making a
U turn for? It's like, well, my hotel's that way.
And I didn't have any of my idea with me
nothing cause I just it was middle of the night.
I went down and I had my phone, so I
did Apple ID a Apple Pay in order to pay
(04:44):
for it. They asked me, you know, is there marijuana
in the car. I was like, not that I'm aware of.
There's a rental car. I just got it yesterday. They
asked rental car paperwork when you're I don't have any
rental car paperwork right. So they're like trying to check
all this stuff out that I didn't have. I'm sitting
(05:07):
on the curb. I was incredibly courteous. They had no
idea who I was, not that it matters. They want
to make sure I didn't fit the fit the description
of a suspect. They actually patted me down, they searched
through my whole car, they brought out the dogs. There's
nothing there, and they let me go. It wasn't comfortable,
and I felt like there's one cop does a little
bit over the top, but like on some level, I
(05:29):
guess I'd get it. I don't know. Here's what I saw.
Apparently Tyreek Hill was speeding. There have been reports that's
in excess of fifty miles an hour over the speed limit.
I don't know if that's true, but if you look
at the bodycam footage, there's six motorcycles I believe behind him.
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Either it was just rare happenstance that there were five
motorcycles and a cop pulling him over. Five motorcycles already
parked there in a cop them over, or they were
chasing him for a bit and then when they walk
up to his window. We've all been in this situation.
For right, no one's happy about being pulled over, especially
when they're running late, which is probably why tyreek Hill
(06:12):
was speeding. One he probably drives fast and doesn't care.
And two he'd probably run a little bit late. So
he puts down the window and when the police officer
asks for ask him to keep the says, why are
you banging on my window?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Why do you think is to get the window down?
Here's where I have actual empathy for police officers. When
that window, which is tinted, gets rolled back up, you
can't see in And why would you roll back up
your window unless you're hiding something? And while I don't
(06:50):
know if you carry, I don't carry, but if you're
a police officer, you know that you have to assume
every person you pull over is carrying a little to weapon.
So you pull up to a car it's got tinted windows,
he won't war up. He rolled up the window after
he can you his ID. He's already non compliant and
(07:13):
just being abrasive to be abrasive, and then he rolls
up his window like you don't have to know who
it is. Would I like to think that you walk
up to the window, and me being a football fans like,
Tyreek Hill, what are you doing, man? Why are you
speeding making us pull you over on a Sunday? We're
getting ready cheer for you for the Dolphins. But they
didn't know who he was and didn't care. Didn't care,
(07:36):
which is, by the way, how they're actually supposed to
do their job. So instead he's combatant. And then the
second police officers like, all right, well you don't want
to get out of the car. And then the guy's like,
we're gonna rest you right now. We're gonna get you
out of the car. And the second he was overly aggressive.
I'm not gonna lie to you, no doubt. Now. What
(07:57):
we don't know is we don't know what those police
officers were taught, because I'm guessing that while it appears
that he was a little heavy handed in his approach
in taking Tyreek Hill out of the car, the fact
is you can't when you don't know what somebody has
on their person. You cannot go like, hey, can you
get out of the car. Can you not? Oh, you're
(08:18):
gonna put your hands in your pockets. That's fine, Like,
that's not how it works. Again. You have to start
every conversation with the belief that that person is carrying.
So my assessment of it was Tyreek Hill is embarrassing
himself fifteen times over, So too is Drew Rosenhouse. Tyreek
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Hill's saying, my mama didn't raise me that way. Tyreek,
I'm in Oklahoma state, Alum, we don't even like to
claim yet because you beat up your girlfriend after beating Oklahoma, Like,
what are we talking about here? Like what are we
actually doing? So I understand that you don't have this
many black people saying we've been treated poorly by police
(09:03):
unless it happened. And I grew up in Los Angeles.
I remember Rodney King beating Okay, and Rodney King was
no angel, but he did not deserve that vicious beating
that he took from police officers. I saw it. I
was alive during the riots. I'm not an idiot. I
don't want to be called idiot, and I'm not gonna
be called something I'm not. Don't label me something or not.
I'm a radical centrist, but I'm also a reasonable human being.
(09:26):
And anybody knows that a cop pulls up and knocks
on your window, you don't go where you knock on
my window for to get you to roll down the
window to give me your ID so I can give
you a ticket for speeding. This is not your first rodeo.
You've actually been to jail before. Do you want to
go again? No, life's not that hard. I don't think
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the cops should be fired. I think the one cop
felt a little aggressive, but generally that's and then kalais
Campbell like, dude, your teammate, You're you're being a great teammate,
trying to support him. But you can do You can't
roll up on a bunch of cops, hop out of
a car, leave it running and approach a police officer
(10:08):
with an active situation. I actually should think, though verbally
there may have been a confrontation. I thought they showed
a lot of restraint. So do I think all cops
have behaved well? Of course not. Do I think cops
can be on a power trip?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Do I think racism has played a factor in the past. Yes? Probably.
I can't say definitely, but probably. Do I think cops
have been on a power trip in the past and
sometimes in the present. Sure is that the case here?
I don't think so, Dan Byer, let me get your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Well, a lot of it is along the lines of
what you said. I thought that tyreek Hill should have
kept his window down. It's funny because I know that
there are people and I've had family members who would
get a speeding ticket and it bothers them zero. They
are basically saying what tyreek Hill says, just give me
the ticket, and I'll go, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
For me personally, I have a complex. I'd be like,
what the heck's going on? You know, I just you know,
freak out about it. But there are other people that
are just like, all right, just give me the ticket.
I'll go, just just let me on my way. But
I do think that you have to comply at some point,
and so I think that tyreek Hill was in the wrong.
And I actually kind of put it to the Scotty
Scheffler point of view of what we had in May
(11:25):
of when Scheffler was pulled over, and whether it was
an officer or not, you needed to follow and listen
to what they said, because it's sure like it seemed
like it was a person of authority. And that's where
I think that tyreek Hill was wrong in this situation.
I I the third video camera that I saw, like
when they were then trying to put him to the
(11:47):
ground and take him to the ground, that seemed pretty excessive.
And when you said when that second officer came in,
they just they dragged him out of the car, did
seem excessive. It did start with Tyreek Hill not complying.
So it's the two wrongs that don't make a right
sort of thing. I think that the officers are more
in the wrong. But you know, to have Tyreek Hill
(12:08):
is a martyr here or just this ultimate victim, it's
just a little tough for me to take considering. I
think some of this could have been avoided if you
would have just listened or just rolled down the window,
gotten his ticket and left.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Here's Tyreek Hill on CNN last night.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
I'm a good old country boy from South Georgia. Man, Like,
I'm not a big believer in dividing people. You know,
I don't believe in all that, man.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I believe in.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Bringing people together, because that's my purpose in life. I
do football camps all across the world, man, trying to
bring different people together, different kids, different parents, you know,
because we and this together, baby, like, we on this
earth together. We got to live together. So when I
say let's make a change, let's do it together. So
Miami PD really all officers across the world, man, because
(12:58):
one officer doesn't you know what I'm saying, like make
the whole group look bad. Like every everybody has bad apples,
you know what I'm saying, Every team has bad apples.
It's my job to use my platform and my resources
so that way I'm able to align, you know with
you know these you.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Know, different stations.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
So that's what I mean when I say let's make
a change, like because we don't try it at all,
you know what I'm saying, Like we don't protests, We
even took a knee, you know, we don't did walks
like so what's nick? So right now me and my
wife we writing our brainstorming on how can we.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Be a part of this change? You know.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
So it's important to us, you know, because we want
to be able to change lives all all the way
across the world, not just Miami.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I haven't read.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Eon Thomas, who's a former NBA player boker t Washington
and Tulsa. He read an article that said it showed
a group of police officers on a power trip, exhibiting
unprofessionalism and abusive authority through an ultra aggressive combative behavior.
From what I saw, they went out of their way
(14:12):
to escalate the situation far beyond what was necessary. His
point is that if he was a black man, wasn't
famous with the situation have ended a lot worse. The
answer is surely yes. Like eton, that is so offensive,
so offensive, It had zero to do with him being black.
It had one hundred percent with him to do with
being combative. If I acted the same way, I would
(14:38):
be treated the same way. Dan, do you believe that
to be different? I offer up. I'm asking your honest opinion.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I would hope, but I do think I would. I
would hope, but I am not completely there yet.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I would hope that you would be Jason Gahead.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
So I'm not sure what the source is of what
you just read.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Thomas for the Guardians. I'm a NBA player. He's a
very very understood, left leaning, woke civil rights advocate, and you.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Know what, he has a much different life experience than
you me, Dan and Chris, and I totally understand that.
But I want to give the opposite opinion here. If
you go do the officer Tatum on Twitter. There's this
guy with a massive social media following, former cop happens
to be black. But I don't think that's important here.
(15:34):
And this is what his kind of sum up tweet
is of the situation. Keep the window down. Why are
you rolling the window up? That's an officer safety issue.
They don't know this man. He could be pulling a
gun out. Keep the window down. They ask you a
simple question. You're the one at fault, not them. In
(15:55):
my opinion, Doug to have like a functioning society of
rules and laws, you need to have people paid to
enforce those laws. And if you're willing to break the
law and are confronted by a police officer, you should
be compelled to be deferential in that moment. You should
(16:16):
treat the officer with respect. Tyreek Kill did the exact
opposite from the go from the jump. How many times
can a police officer ask you to roll your window down?
How many times could they ask you to get out
of the car. How many times could they ask you
to get on the ground if you're not being cooperative?
What should they do? What's the answer to that question?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That's a great question. So Dan let me ask you,
because we'll talk about this someone in the pod and
Profet you can get in the pod. What would you
do if you're the police officer and a guy is
not complying with the first roll to wind it down
and then to get out of the car.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I don't know. I don't know what their protocol is.
If that's a part of their protocol, then I would follow.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You know, what they would need to do.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
If they need to physically remove him from the car,
then they can. Then that's what I would end up doing.
I didn't think that that was as egregious as maybe
some of the other stuff that I saw. I know,
like it was, you know, the car was awkward, it's low,
you're dragging him out, and he's put down on the ground.
That wasn't as much. It was maybe the other stuff
(17:32):
when he was trying to sit and stand and I
know he had a knee surgery, but he was about
to play a football game, so that excuse didn't necessarily
fly with me. But it felt like that was extra
at that point, taking him to the ground out of
the car. If that's what the protocol was, it wasn't
as is shocking to me in that sort of situation
I would.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I would, here's the point about the knee surgery. And
again it's because we know he's Tyreek Hill. And I
saw a rest this weekend on social media where a
woman was She wasn't even being like forcially detained. They
had her hands behind her back or something, and she
(18:10):
was saying, I can't breathe, I can't breathe. Right, And which,
of course is the guy who was was who died
in New York, Right, he was selling cigarettes, unlicensed cigarettes
out in front of a liquor store. But there was
no breathing problem with her, right none. It was Eric Gardner,
Eric Garner who was. But the point was, and I think, Jason,
(18:36):
you made this last night when we talked on the phone,
which is while most of us were like, oh dude,
Tyreek Hill, is something wrong with me? Like, don't again,
first if somebody tells you, send the curves in the curb. Secondly,
they're lied to every day every day. It's like the
old it's the old joke in Shawshanka prison. Right, every
(18:59):
man in here is in his and it just it
doesn't work. I wish I could tell you that every
time a cop walks up to a carter window. Nobody
opens fire on a police officer, but the reality is
that happens. I wish I could tell you that people
only say they've had knee surgery or have a back
problem when they're being arrested if they've had knee surgery
(19:19):
or back problem. But people ie all the time. And
I thought it was extra two to be honest with you, Dan,
But I also I'm guessing that part of its protocols
and part of it is like you just have no
time in those situations to be like nice and cordial.
You have to get them to the ground to where
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there's no chance that they can pull a weapon on
you or you know, make a move on you and
take you to the ground.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Real real quick, Doug. And yes, I mean we're gonna talk.
We'll talk a lot more about this on the podcast.
I don't have a lot of you know, police friends.
I do have a lot of legal friends and a
few lawyer friends around the family. I think one place
where this really got murky too, is that the Miami
Miami Dade Police Department immediately put the officers on administrative leave,
(20:08):
which now has brought you know, law representation from the
police officer side as well as whatever's going to happen
from the Tyreek Hill side. You know, the police officer's
legal representation thought it was premature, but I think that
administrative leave immediately also really mucked up like everything around here.
It made it murky, and that by doing that, you're
(20:31):
kind of implying something went wrong when I don't know.
I don't know if they should have stood by him,
if that was the right move to immediately put him
on leave.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
It was.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Honestly, I'm gonna be honest with you, I think it
was the right thing. I understand what you're saying. I
think it was the right thing. But they do this
whenever as an officer involved shooting as well. They put
him on leave, They check out all the body camp footage,
they interview everybody around, and then they decide how they
want to proceed. It's just taking him in and kind
of removing him from from the hot stop. I agree
with you, I thought it was premature as well.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
It just sends it sense a signaling.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
It does like he did something wrong. We didn't do
anything wrong. But again I'm guessing. Again, this is me
guessing that much like aggressively taking a non compliant driver
out of his car when he refuses commands is part
of their protocol. The only way you get fired is
if you violate protocol. That's how you get fired. So
(21:23):
you can want to change protocol, but there's a logic
behind it, and I would say that in regards to
him being put on leave, I agree with you. When
I heard that. At the time, I was like, Ooh,
something bad must happen. Then I watched the Then I
watched the body cam footage and I was like, yeah,
I'm not sure they did anything wrong there other than
being a little bit aggressive and getting him out of
(21:45):
the car and taking him to the ground. So I'm
with you, but I'm guessing that's just to remove him
from it so they can make a clear and concise decision.
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(22:39):
we see from bands are totally transparent. We act like
Texas beat last year's Michigan squad, like most of our
team graduated, quarterback, graduated, coach left, they're on probation. Texas
is good. Texas didn't win in the national semifinals last year.
Texas wins great. But like you act like you beat
last year's Michigan human, you didn't. I don't really understand
(23:02):
that one. Look, we don't. Today's not really a time
to talk college football. Week three college football or Week
two whatever plus week zero. But I was thinking about
this watching Northern Illinois beat Notre Dame. The last second
kick was imagine if Notre Dame had lost in a
(23:23):
close game the last second kick to A and M
and beaten the tar out of NIU, how would you
have felt then right, which would have been really interesting. Right,
you were an underdog at A and M, and you
were a big favorite against that IU. But the craziness
of college football was on full display. Iowa States comeback
(23:45):
win over Iowa. Sorry Iowa, Sam's who's there vacationing or visiting?
We saw a couple other ones that were interesting. I
don't know why NC State was ranked. It was like,
let's just rank an ACC team randomly, and Tennessee went
down there and beat the crap out of him. And
then Nebraska. I mean, twenty eight to ten does not
(24:06):
do it justice. That game was over at the half,
it was twenty eight nothing and it was one of
those Colorado's really not good. I think Nebraska is pretty good.
And I'll say this about Dylan Royola, who's the freshman
quarterback who's basically doing at Patrick Mahomes in look and
actions whatever. There's a lot worse guys in the world
that you can emulate than arguably the best quarterback we've
(24:28):
ever seen play the sport. Doesn't bother me. Let's get
to love and hate, shall we?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
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Speaker 1 (24:35):
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Speaker 3 (24:37):
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except these things actually work. That's so cool. Come Back anyway. Sorry,
we're just all playing art. We're all playing uh not
(26:04):
Dukes of Hazzard, but Dukes of Hazzard, had the had
the what is this called? This the old Ham radio?
CB radio? Right, but I'm thinking more smoking the bandit
smoke in the bandit. Let's get to the midway, shall we.
He's not getting the middle It's time for the midway
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every Wednesday, which is the middle of the week. Every
you know, it's the middle of the show, in the
middle of the day. And remember you like middle of
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(26:50):
have been midway topic, right understood? Uh, Jase, do I
have a couple of others? Chase, do you got one
in your back?
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Let's see here. My group tech says the following biggest
overreaction from week one in the NFL, biggest overreaction from
week one in the NFL, or the biggest beatdown by
a team or athlete that you didn't see coming ode
to the Vice president's performance last night. It's a good one.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I actually the vice president's one. There's there's a football
game I'm thinking of. I got to get to what
it is. I got to remember what it is like,
just because she was shaky at the start and then
all of a sudden, like holy cow, did she throttle
the fire? You like either those two or there's a
different one you want to throw out there.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I was, I was planning on either of those two.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Bick one.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
I I was going to say an overreaction from week one,
the beat the beatdowns, I guess could be college football
as well, if you if you wanted one.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
But we do over I think we do over reactions.
I'm okay with over reactions. Okay with those reactions.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I'm good with either I got stuff ready.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Okay, Sammy, once you start show.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
Us well, the team that put up the most points
last weekend was the Saints, and everybody is just saying
that Bryce Young's career is over that after that forty
seven to ten demolition. First of all, also a lot
of us were saying that the Saints are just stale
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and we have nothing to look forward to that team,
and they came out with their new play caller, guns blazing,
very impressive win.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
But I would say, you know, listen, Bryce Young has not.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
Looked good and he's not lived up to his feeling
as was he that he was the top overall pick
right two years ago. Yes, yeah, but I would say
give him more time. Give him more time. He deserves
more time. He's been you know, coaching changes and all
kinds of stuff. Give the guy more time to show
that he can play quarterback in the NFL. So that's
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that would say, just we're quick to bury people, and
he has not had a great start to his career,
but he deserves more time to prove he can play.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Wouldn't you say that Bryce Young's size looks really bad
when they're losing, like maybe in high school and at
Alabama they were just kicking butt, so he it wasn't that, yeah,
him being so small like a.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
He looks so tiny. I don't you know, And I
saw I listen a minute, like I thought Bryce Young
will be awesome in the pros, just seeing Kyler Murray.
He's small, but then you look and he's just so tiny.
He doesn't appear to have a strong enough arm. He's
not as athletic as other guy, as other you know,
as as a as a Bryce as a Kyler Murray
is Yeah, I think it is. I think it's It's
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one of those things where you know, whether it's Russell
Wilson or Drew Brees or Kyler Murray, we've all gotten
to this act. You don't have to be that big
that's kind of overrated. Then you're like, you watch him like,
maybe they kind of have a point.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I also think, and maybe this may be me being biased,
but I didn't. I felt that Bryce Young got a
pass because he was from Alabama and Alabama hadn't been
this great quarterback, you know, product machine with college.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
But CJ.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Stroud was in the same draft, and we see how CJ.
Stroud's been and there has been a negative connotation with
Ohio State quarterbacks previously, and I felt like Bryce Young
was built up so much because he was from Alabama
and Stroud was taking this hit because he was from
Ohio State when they're two completely different quarterbacks. But the
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success rate wasn't that great at Alabama that you needed
to believe it. I don't know if it's the Nick
Saban thing, but yeah, there was just there was a
lot more belief in Bryce Young than than I thoughts
should be in that.
Speaker 9 (31:01):
Draft, And did you guys see that still shot of
him getting sacked and his butt's kind of up in
the air and he just it just was a very
compromising picture and just didn't didn't stoke any kind of
confidence in him.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Maybe, Okay, what about you there, Jay Su, what's your
the overreaction from the weekend.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
I'm gonna take up for my guy Aaron Rodgers and
the Jets. I think that there was this remarkable stat
last year. I forget the exact numbers, but I'm just
gonna paraphrase here to prove a point that the team
that plays the team that just played the forty nine
ers is like nineteen and one against the sprut In
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other words, the team that just got done playing the
forty nine ers a week after is so banged up
and injured that they don't cover the spread the next week.
I thought that's an amazing stat, but it also speaks
to how much the forty nine ers just kick your ass.
And I don't know if it's fair too, And you
got were very measured yesterday, and I appreciate that. I
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don't think it's fair to say the Jets are done
and I'm not even talking about their favorable schedule. The
forty nine ers are a really good team. And if
you get them playing downhill like they did on Monday night,
lookout and Aaron Rudgers wasn't on the field enough to
show us if he's got everything he's got back. So
I'm going to take a pause and I'm going to
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not overreact like the entire city of New York is
doing right now. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I felt there was more flak on Sala because of
the defense's performance.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yes, well, I think it was on both, but yes,
sold it was. It was the idea. And I heard
Craig Cartin say this earlier today, and I think he's right,
which is like, I get it's been a couple of years,
but you're the defensive coording or you're surprised by the
running game, like what what were you doing?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Sure midway by.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Now, this may be a bit of a reach, Okay,
but this really annoyed me yesterday, and it.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Really annoys you, then it's not a reach. Dan, I
don't understand your take.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
But I hope you guys see where I'm coming from. Okay,
I'm seeing power rankings across the NFL, and I see
the Kansas City Chiefs number one. Great win on Thursday night,
no doubt about it. But if that's the case, the
Baltimore Ravens better be number two.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
So the point is is the Ravens again were a
toe away from having a two point conversion attempt to
go to Kansas City and win that game. And for
as much as we love the Chiefs and they've built
up enough equity in what they have done to believe
that they will be there at the end, I saw
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I saw power rankings yesterday the Chiefs won in Ravens five. Well, no,
if the Ravens are that close to going to Kansas
City and winning the opening season game, then the Ravens
should be second. And if you don't want to have
Kansas you don't have the Ravens second, you want to
have them fifth, then put Kansas City fourth, because that's
where those two teams are right now. They are neck
and neck for what we look at in the National
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Football League. So I don't want to say an overreaction
to the Chiefs win, but I feel like there is
of like when we see, you know, Xavier Worthy have
the game.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
That he had.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Now are like, oh my gosh, Patrick Mahomes has weapons.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Agree, all of that is true, and they will be there.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
No one will want to play them in the playoffs,
whether they're a one seed or a seven seed. But
if we are taking what we saw on Thursday night
and through Week one of the NFL season, then you
have to give the Baltimore Ravens at least some of
that credit as well. And that's so that's kind of
my overreaction. It's a combo of the Ravens and Chiefs.
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You want to put the Chiefs one, fine, put the
Ravens to then those teams are neck and neck. There
shouldn't be a gap between them if you're trying to
sort out who's good in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Dan, I can't help but think, Dan, real fast that
you mentioned the power rankings just so and gave me
kind of a ramp for me to mention that my
first Power Kings of the season are going to be
released tonight at Jason Stewart. Jason Stewart, all right, and I.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Listen, I think that the there's evidence for the Chiefs
to be number one. But then don't disrespect you know,
I'm looking at Nick Wright's tiers right now? We know
Nick's the Chiefs fan, right, Yes, you know FS one,
they're number one, Yes, and I.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Adams number one. I have number one. I have the
Niners number one, I think, yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
He has the Niners two, then the Texans and the
third tier with the Cowboys and Lines, and the Ravens
are in the fourth tier.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Well, how could the Ravens be in the fourth.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Tier when they again they were a toe away from
having a two point conversion to beat you. They did
go ninety yards on that final drive to set it up,
and there's and that's just that's just my whole point
about it.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Thank it for what it is, not what you want
it to be.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
And you know, I might my only pushback would be
that the Chiefs did drop too past in the end zone.
But again, you're you're not, You're not. It is overreact.
We're talking about overreactions. That it is an overaction. I
got one. It's the opposite of the Jets.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
One.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
It's the Niners. We all know the Niners are stacked,
we all know they're really really good. But let's be honest.
They played a Jets team that had to travel all
the way across the country. Aaron Rodgers hasn't really had
success against them anyway, and like that's a franchise that's
ready to go. And though they had missed some guys
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in training camp, they have just dudes across the board.
I just let's see what happens with the Niners when
next to Aur on the road, in domes, at the Vikings,
at the Rams, Let's see what happens there. Before we
kind of crowned the Niners and they had some money
even performances last year as well. Let's see what happens
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with them. It's a little bit like the Giants. I
think the Jets aren't particularly good. I think the Giants
are terrible. So the teams that beat these teams, it's
really hard to tell you how good they are. If
you want to crown them, they've crowned our ass.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
I agree with everything you said.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
The one thing that I do like with the forty
nine ers is they didn't rush Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
They are getting bread.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
And I you can you know Trent Williams in I
think that they realize this isn't this isn't a eighteen
week season. They're going to be good enough to make
the playoffs. They got to make sure that they peak
at the right time, are hot in the playoffs, and
then can right the wrong of their overtime loss from February.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
It's a long it's a long haul right now.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
But if Jordan Mason takes a bunch of carries in
the first half of the season, then Christian mccaffery's even
more fresh in the second half.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Anybody else, any other massive overreactions. I got one, I
got one, I get another one, all right, Like I
don't I don't know if Tom Brady will ever be good.
He was not good this weekend. But I have broadcast
games and I may actually get the broadcast couple this year,
and we'll see. But I've done it for full time.
(38:01):
Is my job for twenty one years, and the first
time back. Even though I talk for a living and
I do a radio show, I've done TV shows. It's different.
It does take you a while to get kind of
your sea legs, if you will. And then I think,
you know, I think he did him. They he did himself,
or they did him a disservice doing those practice games
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where you feel like you're doing real games, but there's
just no way to replicate it, and I don't think
he's getting I kind of agree with Dan Patrick and
with Colin Coward and felt like he over prepared. But
the big thing is like he struggles being regular Tom
Brady instead of Super Bowl tom Brady. And while I
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know we all know Jason can't stand listen to Tony
Romo do a game, the one thing that Tony Romo has,
it's the John Madden relatability. Feels like a feels like
a guy who could send the couch while he's played
quarterback in the NFL. And Britty does not have that.
And he he has that in real life. He's got
a great likability factor, like you see something, talk to
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people that he just it reminds me. Dave Reverson is
a dear friend of mine. He's been on the show.
He's the lead face of the Big Ten Network. And
there was a guy I won't name him, he was
at ESPN and we're playing golf of them one time, Like, man,
you got a great personality, how about bringing out out
on the air sometime, you know? And some people just
struggle with that. But I do think we're overreacting a
little bit to Tom Brady. Lots of dudes start out
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and they're not particularly good.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Do you guys think Tom Brady over prepared for this? Yes?
That yeah, that's yeah. He was just what Colin and damnit, I.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Think there were things. There's some things that he wasn't
prepared for that he doesn't know, like you, whoever told
him what to do shouldn't tell him what to do.
And I don't know who was at Fox. I know
I'm I would encourage. I don't know what Dan Steeer
is doing now. He's what, He's the guy who trained
me at ESPN. He's phenomenal, phenomenal. You know, you want
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to leave three quarters of what you study and research
on the on the cutting room floor, if you will.
But she just gotta speak and be And yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
I did something that I've never done before because my
show was on during Brady's debut. I recorded the Cowboys
Browns game to go back and hear Brady, and I
watched some of it last night, and I only caught
the first part of it before our show started being
Carrie Roads here on Fox. But I fast forward into
like the second quarter, fast forward into the second half
(40:24):
to hear him, and he was better than what I
felt the criticism was out there. I felt that there
were times You're right, the relatability is going to be
the key part. That's why I think he almost has
to go a football nerd on people, and maybe that
is his avenue because it's going to be difficult for
Tom Brady to relate like John Madden did. But there
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was a point where the Browns had an incomplete pass
that was called to catch and he tried to like joke,
He's like, you know, like this would be a time
be like hurry up, urry up, and that's exactly what
he said on the broadcast and trying to get everybody
to the line. So that kind of like was was
able to break through. There were awkward pauses in the beginning,
but throughout I when I listened more, it was better
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that I think he's getting credit for. It wasn't great,
but I think that everybody wanted greatness because of the contract.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
There's a rhythm to it. There's a rhythm to it.
When you talk the economy of words, and I'll just
be honest, I know I'm really good at calling games,
but the guy who's the best of the economy of
words is Jay billis like he's amazing. He says so
many things in such such few words. He's the guy
in terms of preparation, like you can't do much better
(41:39):
than Fran for Scilla, he does an incredible job at ESPN.
Those are basketball guys football guys, right, Like you know, frankly,
there's some guys that do football that are really good
that maybe don't do the NFL. What's uh, who's really
(42:00):
really good? I think he works for US now at Fox,
right brock cuor she still work for us afy he
stays college games for US. I think brock yours outstanding, relatable, smart,
knows this stuff, doesn't overtalk like, that's the guy I
would eman like. He's freaking fantastic, fantastic and a former
(42:23):
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bunch of sound. We'll talk about it a lot, and
(43:15):
I'm gonna tell you a couple of things which we
all know are true, even if we won't want to
admit it. And uh, it's all revolving around to a
tunga Byloa who unfortunately got a concussion last night as
part of the loss by the Miami Dolphins to the
Buffalo Bills. It should be pointed out, and this has
nothing to do with the decision that he'll have to
(43:37):
make or he and his team will have to make
in regards to what his future looks like. It should
be pointed out though, that I've never been a to
a guy in the NFL in terms of his I
just don't think his ceilings that high. And you know,
I remember it was like a year and a half
(43:57):
ago or a year and three quarters ago when Emmanuel
Acho was on Fox Sports one saying that that Justin
Herbert was a what was it, social media quarterback or something,
and that to a tongue of Iloa was actually like
an MVP candidate. I went to the game, and if
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you watch the two of those two men play quarterback,
and you think there's any way of comparing to a
tongue of Bioloa was with with Justin Herbert, and I
don't know what you're watching, but he's widely regarded as
an incredible human being. And remember he's been kind of
(44:40):
a sympathetic figure this year, considering how he relayed that
Brian floor as their former head coach, treated him. So
two was the guy who came in off the bench
and won the National Championship. Game two was the guy
who was seen is better than Jalen Hurts, and so
Jalen Hurts had to leave. TUA was the guy that
the league won to tank for Two was the guy
who who in some ways was in many ways is
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the reason Brian Flores was fired because he didn't buy
into TUA and the way he traded to A and
the rest of the front office saw that, and they
of course wanted to draft to a and they did,
and so you're basically saying all your opinions stink. And
now too, as the guy who has a decision to
make whether or not he's gonna return to the Nation
(45:25):
Football League this year or ever.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Here's Mike McDaniel when he talked to reporters this morning
about the quarterback future.
Speaker 10 (45:37):
I totally understand it, and it's not misplaced. I totally
get how that's where people want to go to. I
just wish that people would for seconds hear what I'm
saying that bringing up his future is not the best
interest of him.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Here's he was asked about the quarterback's future. So has
Man Titeya, a longtime friend of two of them are
Man Titeya now has joined Good Morning Football in the
NFL network. Here's what he had to say this morning.
Speaker 8 (46:08):
After he suffered the one against the Bengals. I wanted
him to walk that that that when I saw him
have to be carted off the field, I wanted him.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
To walk like that was mm hmm, yep, that was hard.
Speaker 7 (46:23):
Bro.
Speaker 8 (46:24):
Like what people have to understand is this is just
a game, you know, and then and then there's a
life and when you watch when you watch a young
man that you've known since she was a little boy,
I'll go out there, you know, yeah, is it hard?
Is it hard for me? Yeah, but I can't imagine
how it is for Uncle Nahlu and Aunty Diana watch
their son again go down. And you know, khalais mentioned
(46:47):
it was so good to watch him stand up for
somebody that's been in that situation where I've had a concussion.
I don't even know if two is there as he's
walking off the field, Like there's been clips of me
after concussions, getting off the g and walking up the stadium,
walking into the locker room. I don't remember those walks.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
I get it. But I'd also point out, this is
what we're doing with all of this, and it's very
natural to do it is we're putting ourselves in the
shoes of to a tongue of Iylawa. We're living our
own life through to it. When this is totally you know,
I'm not saying that Mantai didn't have concussions and any
of this stuff is made up, not in any way,
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But I don't know if that's the experience of to
a tongue of Iyolawa. I don't. Here's Antonio Pierce, of course,
an a former linebacker in the NFL, because the Raiders
head coach talking about to his future.
Speaker 11 (47:37):
I'll be honest, I'll just retire. It's not worth it, It's
not worth to play the game. I haven't witnessed anything
like I've seen. This happened to him three times.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Scary.
Speaker 11 (47:46):
You can see right away the players faces on the field.
You can see the sense urgency from everybody to get
to a help. I just think at some point, you know,
he don't live longer and he's don't play football, take
care of your family.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
So it does feel like again you have football players
and former football players saying like what are you doing here?
Plus he just signed the new contract, which would be settled.
But I also know that one of the things that
has made football players different is they've known this, they've
known what could happen, and they've still gone and down
it anyway. I mean running a lot, cut off part
of his fingers so he could play in a playoff game,
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Like what are we doing here? You know? So I
don't know. My big thing is I don't think we
can insert ourselves, our own lives, our own thoughts, our
own dreams, our own wishes, or what we think he
should do into his life. I think we just got
to let him handle that one. Well. It's true former
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football players, good friends can get good advice. My guess
is he doesn't play the rest this year. That's my
guess in times of retirement. I don't think he makes
that decision in the short term. I think it becomes
a decision that's made further down the road, and there's
a strong possibility he does shut it down. Does Could
he try to come back one more time?
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Maybe and make it about and you know, when he
comes back, he'd make it about the Dolphins. They're belief
in him giving him the contract despite the fact this
could happen. But this is also one of the reasons
that people said, don't give that contract. Dan Byer, what
would you do? You're to a tongue of Bailoa. You
have a really good team. And here's the thing. If
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you say, well the doctors, tell him, if you want
to find a doctor that can make that can make
it so that you can play, you will find a doctor.
You will find a doctor. If you want to find
a doctor that says you should never play, you will
find the doctor Bier.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
What do you think, Well, there's a couple of things,
and I may not be taking this head on to
what you're you're asking, but because as he said, all
of this is speculation.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
On what we think is going to happen, what would
I do with Tua? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
I can't even can't even fast them a guess on it.
But what I do know is he can't protect himself
right now. That play last night was so avoidable, absolutely avoidable,
and you would hope that after last season, in trying
to manage a season where there wasn't that big injury,
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he was able to make it through that we didn't
see this again, that maybe Tua actually learned from it.
I'm not trying to blame him for it, but last
night didn't have to happen. Last year was an example
of how you can get through the season in maybe
trying to protect yourself in certain ways because the year prior,
there were what three instances where, you know, the first
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game they had against the Bills in twenty twenty two,
the obvious one that Manta Tea was just talking about
with Cincinnati, and then there was the Christmas Day Packers
game where he also suffered that that concussion. So I
thought that maybe Tua had learned and figured out a
way to do so. But if you can't protect yourself,
let alone anybody else on your team, yeah, I don't
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know if I'd want to play anymore if and that
may be the reason why Tua wants to play, because
he still thinks he can. But he's the one that's
hurting himself last night. Did not have to happen.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Cayse Stu, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Yeah, I think I was. I thought the exact same
thing that Danta, and I think this should be baked
into his decision or whoever's going to make the decision
for him, because I think there is a legitimate question
of whether or not you should allow him to make
the decision. If his head is scrambled multiple times, is
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he of the right mind to make a decision like this?
And that thing where he can't protect himself should be
baked into this decision. You know, anybody else has had
multiple concussions, you have a decision to make about your future.
But there's a history now of him not being able
to protect himself, and I think that that that is
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a part a big part of this. I just I
did not see any reason for doing what he did
last night. Right, he had already gotten the first down.
There's just no reason to not slide there. And if,
like Dan says, if he was making these decisions last
year and he was going fine, I don't know why
he decided to do that last night. And I'm going
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to use this example from a personal standpoint. My son
has balance issues. He's on the spectrum and he has
balance issues, and he does a lot of athletic things,
but inevitably he falls. He's broken the exact same elbow
five times. It's it's a miserable situation that I can't
stand and I hate seeing him go through this. But
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he breaks his fall, he breaks his elbow, and if
I'm to his parents, I'm in the same shoes. He
obviously can't protect himself.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Sam.
Speaker 9 (53:03):
So after he did like the martial arts trending to help,
you know, buffer his falls and stuff or soften the
blows of his falls. You know, he had a clean
year last year. But my question is, like, did we
really think this wouldn't happen again? I mean, if he's
gonna play, you know, ten to fifteen years in the NFL.
Of course it's gonna happen again. I was thinking this
last night that if he does decide to continue his
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career after sitting out, I don't know, half the season
or the full season, maybe comes back next year, he
should be the first guy to really celebrate and sport
the you know, the Guardian cap, and we should celebrate it.
And there's nothing, nothing at all that's unmanly or woosy
about protecting your brain. Yeah, he's gonna look like Marvin
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the Martian out there, but I think that all these
guys are gonna end up wearing these at some point,
So he could be the first quarterback in the NFL
to really celebrate it and sport it. And he has
to show us. There's gonna be a lot of pressure
on him from the outside. He has to show us
that he's trying to protect his his brain safety. So
if he does continue his career, that's totally up to him.
I agree with Jason that maybe it's not completely his decision,
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but I do think at the end of the day,
if he wants to continue his career, he should be
the one to decide that. But he needs to he
needs to protect, protect himself more with actual materials in
the future.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
No question he's going to ultimately he'll have to make
the call, but you know there'll be a steady amount
of pressure. And look, you heard that from Anti Taya.
I have no doubt that he's getting to get a
ton of pressure from people close to him to shut
it down. But I thought all of you guys made
the really good point. While you look yesterday, it wasn't
(54:39):
like it was a direct helmet to helmet hit. It
wasn't some violent, violent collision, And that only shows where
he is now in that it doesn't take a lot.
And again, this is kind of classic multiple concussions, where
the more you have, the easier it is to get
the next one, and with every next one it becomes
more damaging. And then we haven't even gotten to like,
(55:01):
it's not like you can tell people to stop tackling him.
Eventually he'll get tackled and his head will hit the dirt,
and his head hits the dirt and feels like it's
the auto concussion. So I think we all know what
the decision will ultimately be. It's just a question of
how long will it take him to get there, and
will he try it one more time before he does.
Does that make sense? Dan?
Speaker 3 (55:20):
Does that?
Speaker 1 (55:21):
I mean I just feel like that.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
Ye, yeah, you know, I love that.
Speaker 4 (55:24):
Sam pointed up that at some point this was probably
going to happen again, and this happened again in a
nationally televised game, you know, the standalone game, and the
visual aspect of the of the hits is jarring.
Speaker 9 (55:42):
It really is. I have one more thing. Look, it
just looked like he reverted back to bad habits. He
was they were down thirty one to ten. He was
going to pick up a first down. So instead of
like Mahomes is always so conscious of his body and
like where he is on the field and like what
he's going to do next, and I feel like, well,
and that moment was desperate just to get them to score.
(56:02):
So he kind of sloppily goes out running and then
just goes barreling into DeMar Hamlin head first, and he
just all of the things he learned last year with
the martial arts training just went out the window. And
so it's like, guys, sometimes you're desperate, they lose control
of their bodies. They're just trying to get a first
down or score a touchdown. And they don't think about
like the physics of it, and he'd ended up really
hurting himself.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
Yeah, it's called game slippage, Sam, where you result you
you know, you you regress to the mean. That's really
what happens. You regress to the mean. It's sad. It
just it just is because by all accounts, really good dude.
And yeah, he had had some sympathy a lot of
people because of how he said Brian Flora has treated him.
(56:46):
But there's also the football reality to it, which is
this is why so many people told the Dolphins, like,
don't give him some big long term deal. Now there
are some injury stuff and you if he retires, you
can get it off the books.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
But was that that's not pretty? And how about the
fact is Deamar Hamlin.
Speaker 3 (57:05):
People poetry, poetry.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
It was super ironic that it's Damar Hamlin of all
people who makes just an innocuous tackle and ends up
leaving in a concussion.
Speaker 9 (57:16):
Yeah, there's nothing at all, Like his tackle was just
like him putting his body in the way of Tua
to stop him from progressing. So it's like, you know,
there's nothing, Yeah, no, nothing at all. It was Tua
running his head first into tomorrow. It was just a bad,
bad situation.
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have a ton to get to. Let me introduce the crew,
if you will. That's the one and only Jason Stewart
STU as he's known, and of course you have Dan
Byer will be part of the is a huge part
of the show, and of course you're hear him with
the updates then Chris Burfett on the Ones and two. First,
(01:12):
I just want to check and make sure you guys
have all seen you guys have all seen the video
of Tyreek Hill being cuffed and stuffed on Sunday. Correct.
When I see the video, I'm not saying the normal video.
I'm saying the bodycam footage that was released last night.
(01:32):
Have you guys all seen that?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yep? Yes, several body comps.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
By the way, or yeah, multiple ones multiple different times
as well.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, yeah. I guess what I'll do is I'll give
my opinion first, okay. And the problem with giving your
opinion first when it's your show is sometimes on some
shows guys are scared to give their own opinion. Okay,
our guys are not. You know, my opinion often differs
with either with Jay stew or with Dan Byer, and
(02:03):
so I respect it. So please please don't think that
me in my opinion should stop you from having your opinion.
The first thing is it's really easy for lots of
shows like mine to avoid this topic. It just is,
you know, do the update, do the thing whatever. I
just don't want to. I think that's just so soft
(02:26):
because I think it's one of those things where both
things can be true. Okay, it can be true that historically,
historically black men can feel like they're treated poorly by police,
and yet this is not an example of that. Right,
(02:53):
it can also be both be true that police are
on a power trip. This might not be a great
example of that. So I'll just tell you what I've
seen from the video. And I have friends that are
police officers. I have friends that despise police officers. I've
(03:17):
personally felt like, not necessarily violated, but I felt like
there's been cops who have been over the top, and
I've had cops treat me with incredible kindness not knowing.
Was my first week on the job at Green Bay
as a head coach. I couldn't sleep. In the middle
of the night, I got up, I drove. I was
(03:37):
staying at a hotel called the Legacy Hotel, which brand
new hotel looks over lambeau Field. I got my car
and I took a left and like Midwest small town America,
there's only gas stations open at like midnight, one in
the morning, whatever time it was, and I just wanted
to snack, and so I went into like a quick
(03:58):
trip or whatever and got I got a liquid death
and a coffee. No, I didn't get a coffee trying
to I was trying to go to sleep. I got
a liquid death and I got like a power bar
or something and maybe some sunflower seeds. And I got
my car and I took a wrong turn again, like
it was I think six day in town. I took
(04:21):
a wrong turn, so I went to light. I flipped
a yuie, came back and got lit up and they're
like what do you? And I got pulled over and
there's three cop cars like what are you making a
U turn for? It's like, well, my hotel's that way.
And I didn't have any of my idea with me
nothing cause I just it was middle of the night.
I went down and I had my phone, so I
did Apple ID a Apple Pay in order to pay
(04:44):
for it. They asked me, you know, is there marijuana
in the car. I was like, not that I'm aware of.
There's a rental car. I just got it yesterday. They
asked rental car paperwork when you're I don't have any
rental car paperwork right. So they're like trying to check
all this stuff out that I didn't have. I'm sitting
(05:07):
on the curb. I was incredibly courteous. They had no
idea who I was, not that it matters. They want
to make sure I didn't fit the fit the description
of a suspect. They actually patted me down, they searched
through my whole car, they brought out the dogs. There's
nothing there, and they let me go. It wasn't comfortable,
and I felt like there's one cop does a little
bit over the top, but like on some level, I
(05:29):
guess I'd get it. I don't know. Here's what I saw.
Apparently Tyreek Hill was speeding. There have been reports that's
in excess of fifty miles an hour over the speed limit.
I don't know if that's true, but if you look
at the bodycam footage, there's six motorcycles I believe behind him.
(05:52):
Either it was just rare happenstance that there were five
motorcycles and a cop pulling him over. Five motorcycles already
parked there in a cop them over, or they were
chasing him for a bit and then when they walk
up to his window. We've all been in this situation.
For right, no one's happy about being pulled over, especially
when they're running late, which is probably why tyreek Hill
(06:12):
was speeding. One he probably drives fast and doesn't care.
And two he'd probably run a little bit late. So
he puts down the window and when the police officer
asks for ask him to keep the says, why are
you banging on my window?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Why do you think is to get the window down?
Here's where I have actual empathy for police officers. When
that window, which is tinted, gets rolled back up, you
can't see in And why would you roll back up
your window unless you're hiding something? And while I don't
(06:50):
know if you carry, I don't carry, but if you're
a police officer, you know that you have to assume
every person you pull over is carrying a little to weapon.
So you pull up to a car it's got tinted windows,
he won't war up. He rolled up the window after
he can you his ID. He's already non compliant and
(07:13):
just being abrasive to be abrasive, and then he rolls
up his window like you don't have to know who
it is. Would I like to think that you walk
up to the window, and me being a football fans like,
Tyreek Hill, what are you doing, man? Why are you
speeding making us pull you over on a Sunday? We're
getting ready cheer for you for the Dolphins. But they
didn't know who he was and didn't care. Didn't care,
(07:36):
which is, by the way, how they're actually supposed to
do their job. So instead he's combatant. And then the
second police officers like, all right, well you don't want
to get out of the car. And then the guy's like,
we're gonna rest you right now. We're gonna get you
out of the car. And the second he was overly aggressive.
I'm not gonna lie to you, no doubt. Now. What
(07:57):
we don't know is we don't know what those police
officers were taught, because I'm guessing that while it appears
that he was a little heavy handed in his approach
in taking Tyreek Hill out of the car, the fact
is you can't when you don't know what somebody has
on their person. You cannot go like, hey, can you
get out of the car. Can you not? Oh, you're
(08:18):
gonna put your hands in your pockets. That's fine, Like,
that's not how it works. Again. You have to start
every conversation with the belief that that person is carrying.
So my assessment of it was Tyreek Hill is embarrassing
himself fifteen times over, So too is Drew Rosenhouse. Tyreek
(08:40):
Hill's saying, my mama didn't raise me that way. Tyreek,
I'm in Oklahoma state, Alum, we don't even like to
claim yet because you beat up your girlfriend after beating Oklahoma, Like,
what are we talking about here? Like what are we
actually doing? So I understand that you don't have this
many black people saying we've been treated poorly by police
(09:03):
unless it happened. And I grew up in Los Angeles.
I remember Rodney King beating Okay, and Rodney King was
no angel, but he did not deserve that vicious beating
that he took from police officers. I saw it. I
was alive during the riots. I'm not an idiot. I
don't want to be called idiot, and I'm not gonna
be called something I'm not. Don't label me something or not.
I'm a radical centrist, but I'm also a reasonable human being.
(09:26):
And anybody knows that a cop pulls up and knocks
on your window, you don't go where you knock on
my window for to get you to roll down the
window to give me your ID so I can give
you a ticket for speeding. This is not your first rodeo.
You've actually been to jail before. Do you want to
go again? No, life's not that hard. I don't think
(09:47):
the cops should be fired. I think the one cop
felt a little aggressive, but generally that's and then kalais
Campbell like, dude, your teammate, You're you're being a great teammate,
trying to support him. But you can do You can't
roll up on a bunch of cops, hop out of
a car, leave it running and approach a police officer
(10:08):
with an active situation. I actually should think, though verbally
there may have been a confrontation. I thought they showed
a lot of restraint. So do I think all cops
have behaved well? Of course not. Do I think cops
can be on a power trip?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Do I think racism has played a factor in the past. Yes? Probably.
I can't say definitely, but probably. Do I think cops
have been on a power trip in the past and
sometimes in the present. Sure is that the case here?
I don't think so, Dan Byer, let me get your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Well, a lot of it is along the lines of
what you said. I thought that tyreek Hill should have
kept his window down. It's funny because I know that
there are people and I've had family members who would
get a speeding ticket and it bothers them zero. They
are basically saying what tyreek Hill says, just give me
the ticket, and I'll go, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
For me personally, I have a complex. I'd be like,
what the heck's going on? You know, I just you know,
freak out about it. But there are other people that
are just like, all right, just give me the ticket.
I'll go, just just let me on my way. But
I do think that you have to comply at some point,
and so I think that tyreek Hill was in the wrong.
And I actually kind of put it to the Scotty
Scheffler point of view of what we had in May
(11:25):
of when Scheffler was pulled over, and whether it was
an officer or not, you needed to follow and listen
to what they said, because it's sure like it seemed
like it was a person of authority. And that's where
I think that tyreek Hill was wrong in this situation.
I I the third video camera that I saw, like
when they were then trying to put him to the
(11:47):
ground and take him to the ground, that seemed pretty excessive.
And when you said when that second officer came in,
they just they dragged him out of the car, did
seem excessive. It did start with Tyreek Hill not complying.
So it's the two wrongs that don't make a right
sort of thing. I think that the officers are more
in the wrong. But you know, to have Tyreek Hill
(12:08):
is a martyr here or just this ultimate victim, it's
just a little tough for me to take considering. I
think some of this could have been avoided if you
would have just listened or just rolled down the window,
gotten his ticket and left.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Here's Tyreek Hill on CNN last night.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
I'm a good old country boy from South Georgia. Man, Like,
I'm not a big believer in dividing people. You know,
I don't believe in all that, man.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I believe in.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Bringing people together, because that's my purpose in life. I
do football camps all across the world, man, trying to
bring different people together, different kids, different parents, you know,
because we and this together, baby, like, we on this
earth together. We got to live together. So when I
say let's make a change, let's do it together. So
Miami PD really all officers across the world, man, because
(12:58):
one officer doesn't you know what I'm saying, like make
the whole group look bad. Like every everybody has bad apples,
you know what I'm saying, Every team has bad apples.
It's my job to use my platform and my resources
so that way I'm able to align, you know with
you know these you.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Know, different stations.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
So that's what I mean when I say let's make
a change, like because we don't try it at all,
you know what I'm saying, Like we don't protests, We
even took a knee, you know, we don't did walks
like so what's nick? So right now me and my
wife we writing our brainstorming on how can we.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Be a part of this change? You know.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
So it's important to us, you know, because we want
to be able to change lives all all the way
across the world, not just Miami.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I haven't read.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Eon Thomas, who's a former NBA player boker t Washington
and Tulsa. He read an article that said it showed
a group of police officers on a power trip, exhibiting
unprofessionalism and abusive authority through an ultra aggressive combative behavior.
From what I saw, they went out of their way
(14:12):
to escalate the situation far beyond what was necessary. His
point is that if he was a black man, wasn't
famous with the situation have ended a lot worse. The
answer is surely yes. Like eton, that is so offensive,
so offensive, It had zero to do with him being black.
It had one hundred percent with him to do with
being combative. If I acted the same way, I would
(14:38):
be treated the same way. Dan, do you believe that
to be different? I offer up. I'm asking your honest opinion.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I would hope, but I do think I would. I
would hope, but I am not completely there yet.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I would hope that you would be Jason Gahead.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
So I'm not sure what the source is of what
you just read.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Thomas for the Guardians. I'm a NBA player. He's a
very very understood, left leaning, woke civil rights advocate, and you.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Know what, he has a much different life experience than
you me, Dan and Chris, and I totally understand that.
But I want to give the opposite opinion here. If
you go do the officer Tatum on Twitter. There's this
guy with a massive social media following, former cop happens
to be black. But I don't think that's important here.
(15:34):
And this is what his kind of sum up tweet
is of the situation. Keep the window down. Why are
you rolling the window up? That's an officer safety issue.
They don't know this man. He could be pulling a
gun out. Keep the window down. They ask you a
simple question. You're the one at fault, not them. In
(15:55):
my opinion, Doug to have like a functioning society of
rules and laws, you need to have people paid to
enforce those laws. And if you're willing to break the
law and are confronted by a police officer, you should
be compelled to be deferential in that moment. You should
(16:16):
treat the officer with respect. Tyreek Kill did the exact
opposite from the go from the jump. How many times
can a police officer ask you to roll your window down?
How many times could they ask you to get out
of the car. How many times could they ask you
to get on the ground if you're not being cooperative?
What should they do? What's the answer to that question?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That's a great question. So Dan let me ask you,
because we'll talk about this someone in the pod and
Profet you can get in the pod. What would you
do if you're the police officer and a guy is
not complying with the first roll to wind it down
and then to get out of the car.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I don't know. I don't know what their protocol is.
If that's a part of their protocol, then I would follow.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You know, what they would need to do.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
If they need to physically remove him from the car,
then they can. Then that's what I would end up doing.
I didn't think that that was as egregious as maybe
some of the other stuff that I saw. I know,
like it was, you know, the car was awkward, it's low,
you're dragging him out, and he's put down on the ground.
That wasn't as much. It was maybe the other stuff
(17:32):
when he was trying to sit and stand and I
know he had a knee surgery, but he was about
to play a football game, so that excuse didn't necessarily
fly with me. But it felt like that was extra
at that point, taking him to the ground out of
the car. If that's what the protocol was, it wasn't
as is shocking to me in that sort of situation
I would.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I would, here's the point about the knee surgery. And
again it's because we know he's Tyreek Hill. And I
saw a rest this weekend on social media where a
woman was She wasn't even being like forcially detained. They
had her hands behind her back or something, and she
(18:10):
was saying, I can't breathe, I can't breathe. Right, And which,
of course is the guy who was was who died
in New York, Right, he was selling cigarettes, unlicensed cigarettes
out in front of a liquor store. But there was
no breathing problem with her, right none. It was Eric Gardner,
Eric Garner who was. But the point was, and I think, Jason,
(18:36):
you made this last night when we talked on the phone,
which is while most of us were like, oh dude,
Tyreek Hill, is something wrong with me? Like, don't again,
first if somebody tells you, send the curves in the curb. Secondly,
they're lied to every day every day. It's like the
old it's the old joke in Shawshanka prison. Right, every
(18:59):
man in here is in his and it just it
doesn't work. I wish I could tell you that every
time a cop walks up to a carter window. Nobody
opens fire on a police officer, but the reality is
that happens. I wish I could tell you that people
only say they've had knee surgery or have a back
problem when they're being arrested if they've had knee surgery
(19:19):
or back problem. But people ie all the time. And
I thought it was extra two to be honest with you, Dan,
But I also I'm guessing that part of its protocols
and part of it is like you just have no
time in those situations to be like nice and cordial.
You have to get them to the ground to where
(19:40):
there's no chance that they can pull a weapon on
you or you know, make a move on you and
take you to the ground.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Real real quick, Doug. And yes, I mean we're gonna talk.
We'll talk a lot more about this on the podcast.
I don't have a lot of you know, police friends.
I do have a lot of legal friends and a
few lawyer friends around the family. I think one place
where this really got murky too, is that the Miami
Miami Dade Police Department immediately put the officers on administrative leave,
(20:08):
which now has brought you know, law representation from the
police officer side as well as whatever's going to happen
from the Tyreek Hill side. You know, the police officer's
legal representation thought it was premature, but I think that
administrative leave immediately also really mucked up like everything around here.
It made it murky, and that by doing that, you're
(20:31):
kind of implying something went wrong when I don't know.
I don't know if they should have stood by him,
if that was the right move to immediately put him
on leave.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
It was.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Honestly, I'm gonna be honest with you, I think it
was the right thing. I understand what you're saying. I
think it was the right thing. But they do this
whenever as an officer involved shooting as well. They put
him on leave, They check out all the body camp footage,
they interview everybody around, and then they decide how they
want to proceed. It's just taking him in and kind
of removing him from from the hot stop. I agree
with you, I thought it was premature as well.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
It just sends it sense a signaling.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
It does like he did something wrong. We didn't do
anything wrong. But again I'm guessing. Again, this is me
guessing that much like aggressively taking a non compliant driver
out of his car when he refuses commands is part
of their protocol. The only way you get fired is
if you violate protocol. That's how you get fired. So
(21:23):
you can want to change protocol, but there's a logic
behind it, and I would say that in regards to
him being put on leave, I agree with you. When
I heard that. At the time, I was like, Ooh,
something bad must happen. Then I watched the Then I
watched the body cam footage and I was like, yeah,
I'm not sure they did anything wrong there other than
being a little bit aggressive and getting him out of
(21:45):
the car and taking him to the ground. So I'm
with you, but I'm guessing that's just to remove him
from it so they can make a clear and concise decision.
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we see from bands are totally transparent. We act like
Texas beat last year's Michigan squad, like most of our
team graduated, quarterback, graduated, coach left, they're on probation. Texas
is good. Texas didn't win in the national semifinals last year.
Texas wins great. But like you act like you beat
last year's Michigan human, you didn't. I don't really understand
(23:02):
that one. Look, we don't. Today's not really a time
to talk college football. Week three college football or Week
two whatever plus week zero. But I was thinking about
this watching Northern Illinois beat Notre Dame. The last second
kick was imagine if Notre Dame had lost in a
(23:23):
close game the last second kick to A and M
and beaten the tar out of NIU, how would you
have felt then right, which would have been really interesting. Right,
you were an underdog at A and M, and you
were a big favorite against that IU. But the craziness
of college football was on full display. Iowa States comeback
(23:45):
win over Iowa. Sorry Iowa, Sam's who's there vacationing or visiting?
We saw a couple other ones that were interesting. I
don't know why NC State was ranked. It was like,
let's just rank an ACC team randomly, and Tennessee went
down there and beat the crap out of him. And
then Nebraska. I mean, twenty eight to ten does not
(24:06):
do it justice. That game was over at the half,
it was twenty eight nothing and it was one of
those Colorado's really not good. I think Nebraska is pretty good.
And I'll say this about Dylan Royola, who's the freshman
quarterback who's basically doing at Patrick Mahomes in look and
actions whatever. There's a lot worse guys in the world
that you can emulate than arguably the best quarterback we've
(24:28):
ever seen play the sport. Doesn't bother me. Let's get
to love and hate, shall we?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
God? I love you?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
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Speaker 1 (25:18):
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He's all hooked up, Brady to go. The DraftKings guys
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us to pretend like we're ten again, right, except yeah,
except these things actually work. That's so cool. Come Back anyway. Sorry,
we're just all playing art. We're all playing uh not
(26:04):
Dukes of Hazzard, but Dukes of Hazzard, had the had
the what is this called? This the old Ham radio?
CB radio? Right, but I'm thinking more smoking the bandit
smoke in the bandit. Let's get to the midway, shall we.
He's not getting the middle It's time for the midway
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you know, it's the middle of the show, in the
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the show? Like no, we have a one hour podcast
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find a midway topic. Now the nine to eleven could
(26:50):
have been midway topic, right understood? Uh, Jase, do I
have a couple of others? Chase, do you got one
in your back?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Let's see here. My group tech says the following biggest
overreaction from week one in the NFL, biggest overreaction from
week one in the NFL, or the biggest beatdown by
a team or athlete that you didn't see coming ode
to the Vice president's performance last night. It's a good one.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I actually the vice president's one. There's there's a football
game I'm thinking of. I got to get to what
it is. I got to remember what it is like,
just because she was shaky at the start and then
all of a sudden, like holy cow, did she throttle
the fire? You like either those two or there's a
different one you want to throw out there.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I was, I was planning on either of those two.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Bick one.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
I I was going to say an overreaction from week one,
the beat the beatdowns, I guess could be college football
as well, if you if you wanted one.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
But we do over I think we do over reactions.
I'm okay with over reactions. Okay with those reactions.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I'm good with either I got stuff ready.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Okay, Sammy, once you start show.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
Us well, the team that put up the most points
last weekend was the Saints, and everybody is just saying
that Bryce Young's career is over that after that forty
seven to ten demolition. First of all, also a lot
of us were saying that the Saints are just stale
(28:27):
and we have nothing to look forward to that team,
and they came out with their new play caller, guns blazing,
very impressive win.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
But I would say, you know, listen, Bryce Young has not.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
Looked good and he's not lived up to his feeling
as was he that he was the top overall pick
right two years ago. Yes, yeah, but I would say
give him more time. Give him more time. He deserves
more time. He's been you know, coaching changes and all
kinds of stuff. Give the guy more time to show
that he can play quarterback in the NFL. So that's
(28:58):
that would say, just we're quick to bury people, and
he has not had a great start to his career,
but he deserves more time to prove he can play.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Wouldn't you say that Bryce Young's size looks really bad
when they're losing, like maybe in high school and at
Alabama they were just kicking butt, so he it wasn't that, yeah,
him being so small like a.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
He looks so tiny. I don't you know, And I
saw I listen a minute, like I thought Bryce Young
will be awesome in the pros, just seeing Kyler Murray.
He's small, but then you look and he's just so tiny.
He doesn't appear to have a strong enough arm. He's
not as athletic as other guy, as other you know,
as as a as a Bryce as a Kyler Murray
is Yeah, I think it is. I think it's It's
(29:47):
one of those things where you know, whether it's Russell
Wilson or Drew Brees or Kyler Murray, we've all gotten
to this act. You don't have to be that big
that's kind of overrated. Then you're like, you watch him like,
maybe they kind of have a point.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I also think, and maybe this may be me being biased,
but I didn't. I felt that Bryce Young got a
pass because he was from Alabama and Alabama hadn't been
this great quarterback, you know, product machine with college.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
But CJ.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Stroud was in the same draft, and we see how CJ.
Stroud's been and there has been a negative connotation with
Ohio State quarterbacks previously, and I felt like Bryce Young
was built up so much because he was from Alabama
and Stroud was taking this hit because he was from
Ohio State when they're two completely different quarterbacks. But the
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success rate wasn't that great at Alabama that you needed
to believe it. I don't know if it's the Nick
Saban thing, but yeah, there was just there was a
lot more belief in Bryce Young than than I thoughts
should be in that.
Speaker 9 (31:01):
Draft, And did you guys see that still shot of
him getting sacked and his butt's kind of up in
the air and he just it just was a very
compromising picture and just didn't didn't stoke any kind of
confidence in him.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Maybe, Okay, what about you there, Jay Su, what's your
the overreaction from the weekend.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
I'm gonna take up for my guy Aaron Rodgers and
the Jets. I think that there was this remarkable stat
last year. I forget the exact numbers, but I'm just
gonna paraphrase here to prove a point that the team
that plays the team that just played the forty nine
ers is like nineteen and one against the sprut In
(31:41):
other words, the team that just got done playing the
forty nine ers a week after is so banged up
and injured that they don't cover the spread the next week.
I thought that's an amazing stat, but it also speaks
to how much the forty nine ers just kick your ass.
And I don't know if it's fair too, And you
got were very measured yesterday, and I appreciate that. I
(32:02):
don't think it's fair to say the Jets are done
and I'm not even talking about their favorable schedule. The
forty nine ers are a really good team. And if
you get them playing downhill like they did on Monday night,
lookout and Aaron Rudgers wasn't on the field enough to
show us if he's got everything he's got back. So
I'm going to take a pause and I'm going to
(32:23):
not overreact like the entire city of New York is
doing right now. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I felt there was more flak on Sala because of
the defense's performance.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yes, well, I think it was on both, but yes,
sold it was. It was the idea. And I heard
Craig Cartin say this earlier today, and I think he's right,
which is like, I get it's been a couple of years,
but you're the defensive coording or you're surprised by the
running game, like what what were you doing?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Sure midway by.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Now, this may be a bit of a reach, Okay,
but this really annoyed me yesterday, and it.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Really annoys you, then it's not a reach. Dan, I
don't understand your take.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
But I hope you guys see where I'm coming from. Okay,
I'm seeing power rankings across the NFL, and I see
the Kansas City Chiefs number one. Great win on Thursday night,
no doubt about it. But if that's the case, the
Baltimore Ravens better be number two.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
So the point is is the Ravens again were a
toe away from having a two point conversion attempt to
go to Kansas City and win that game. And for
as much as we love the Chiefs and they've built
up enough equity in what they have done to believe
that they will be there at the end, I saw
(33:43):
I saw power rankings yesterday the Chiefs won in Ravens five. Well, no,
if the Ravens are that close to going to Kansas
City and winning the opening season game, then the Ravens
should be second. And if you don't want to have
Kansas you don't have the Ravens second, you want to
have them fifth, then put Kansas City fourth, because that's
where those two teams are right now. They are neck
and neck for what we look at in the National
(34:05):
Football League. So I don't want to say an overreaction
to the Chiefs win, but I feel like there is
of like when we see, you know, Xavier Worthy have
the game.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
That he had.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Now are like, oh my gosh, Patrick Mahomes has weapons.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Agree, all of that is true, and they will be there.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
No one will want to play them in the playoffs,
whether they're a one seed or a seven seed. But
if we are taking what we saw on Thursday night
and through Week one of the NFL season, then you
have to give the Baltimore Ravens at least some of
that credit as well. And that's so that's kind of
my overreaction. It's a combo of the Ravens and Chiefs.
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You want to put the Chiefs one, fine, put the
Ravens to then those teams are neck and neck. There
shouldn't be a gap between them if you're trying to
sort out who's good in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Dan, I can't help but think, Dan, real fast that
you mentioned the power rankings just so and gave me
kind of a ramp for me to mention that my
first Power Kings of the season are going to be
released tonight at Jason Stewart. Jason Stewart, all right, and I.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Listen, I think that the there's evidence for the Chiefs
to be number one. But then don't disrespect you know,
I'm looking at Nick Wright's tiers right now? We know
Nick's the Chiefs fan, right, Yes, you know FS one,
they're number one, Yes, and I.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Adams number one. I have number one. I have the
Niners number one, I think, yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
He has the Niners two, then the Texans and the
third tier with the Cowboys and Lines, and the Ravens
are in the fourth tier.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Well, how could the Ravens be in the fourth.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Tier when they again they were a toe away from
having a two point conversion to beat you. They did
go ninety yards on that final drive to set it up,
and there's and that's just that's just my whole point
about it.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Thank it for what it is, not what you want
it to be.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
And you know, I might my only pushback would be
that the Chiefs did drop too past in the end zone.
But again, you're you're not, You're not. It is overreact.
We're talking about overreactions. That it is an overaction. I
got one. It's the opposite of the Jets.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
One.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
It's the Niners. We all know the Niners are stacked,
we all know they're really really good. But let's be honest.
They played a Jets team that had to travel all
the way across the country. Aaron Rodgers hasn't really had
success against them anyway, and like that's a franchise that's
ready to go. And though they had missed some guys
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in training camp, they have just dudes across the board.
I just let's see what happens with the Niners when
next to Aur on the road, in domes, at the Vikings,
at the Rams, Let's see what happens there. Before we
kind of crowned the Niners and they had some money
even performances last year as well. Let's see what happens
(36:45):
with them. It's a little bit like the Giants. I
think the Jets aren't particularly good. I think the Giants
are terrible. So the teams that beat these teams, it's
really hard to tell you how good they are. If
you want to crown them, they've crowned our ass.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
I agree with everything you said.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
The one thing that I do like with the forty
nine ers is they didn't rush Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
They are getting bread.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
And I you can you know Trent Williams in I
think that they realize this isn't this isn't a eighteen
week season. They're going to be good enough to make
the playoffs. They got to make sure that they peak
at the right time, are hot in the playoffs, and
then can right the wrong of their overtime loss from February.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
It's a long it's a long haul right now.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
But if Jordan Mason takes a bunch of carries in
the first half of the season, then Christian mccaffery's even
more fresh in the second half.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Anybody else, any other massive overreactions. I got one, I
got one, I get another one, all right, Like I
don't I don't know if Tom Brady will ever be good.
He was not good this weekend. But I have broadcast
games and I may actually get the broadcast couple this year,
and we'll see. But I've done it for full time.
(38:01):
Is my job for twenty one years, and the first
time back. Even though I talk for a living and
I do a radio show, I've done TV shows. It's different.
It does take you a while to get kind of
your sea legs, if you will. And then I think,
you know, I think he did him. They he did himself,
or they did him a disservice doing those practice games
(38:23):
where you feel like you're doing real games, but there's
just no way to replicate it, and I don't think
he's getting I kind of agree with Dan Patrick and
with Colin Coward and felt like he over prepared. But
the big thing is like he struggles being regular Tom
Brady instead of Super Bowl tom Brady. And while I
(38:43):
know we all know Jason can't stand listen to Tony
Romo do a game, the one thing that Tony Romo has,
it's the John Madden relatability. Feels like a feels like
a guy who could send the couch while he's played
quarterback in the NFL. And Britty does not have that.
And he he has that in real life. He's got
a great likability factor, like you see something, talk to
(39:04):
people that he just it reminds me. Dave Reverson is
a dear friend of mine. He's been on the show.
He's the lead face of the Big Ten Network. And
there was a guy I won't name him, he was
at ESPN and we're playing golf of them one time, Like, man,
you got a great personality, how about bringing out out
on the air sometime, you know? And some people just
struggle with that. But I do think we're overreacting a
little bit to Tom Brady. Lots of dudes start out
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and they're not particularly good.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Do you guys think Tom Brady over prepared for this? Yes?
That yeah, that's yeah. He was just what Colin and damnit, I.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Think there were things. There's some things that he wasn't
prepared for that he doesn't know, like you, whoever told
him what to do shouldn't tell him what to do.
And I don't know who was at Fox. I know
I'm I would encourage. I don't know what Dan Steeer
is doing now. He's what, He's the guy who trained
me at ESPN. He's phenomenal, phenomenal. You know, you want
(39:54):
to leave three quarters of what you study and research
on the on the cutting room floor, if you will.
But she just gotta speak and be And yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
I did something that I've never done before because my
show was on during Brady's debut. I recorded the Cowboys
Browns game to go back and hear Brady, and I
watched some of it last night, and I only caught
the first part of it before our show started being
Carrie Roads here on Fox. But I fast forward into
like the second quarter, fast forward into the second half
(40:24):
to hear him, and he was better than what I
felt the criticism was out there. I felt that there
were times You're right, the relatability is going to be
the key part. That's why I think he almost has
to go a football nerd on people, and maybe that
is his avenue because it's going to be difficult for
Tom Brady to relate like John Madden did. But there
(40:46):
was a point where the Browns had an incomplete pass
that was called to catch and he tried to like joke,
He's like, you know, like this would be a time
be like hurry up, urry up, and that's exactly what
he said on the broadcast and trying to get everybody
to the line. So that kind of like was was
able to break through. There were awkward pauses in the beginning,
but throughout I when I listened more, it was better
(41:09):
that I think he's getting credit for. It wasn't great,
but I think that everybody wanted greatness because of the contract.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
There's a rhythm to it. There's a rhythm to it.
When you talk the economy of words, and I'll just
be honest, I know I'm really good at calling games,
but the guy who's the best of the economy of
words is Jay billis like he's amazing. He says so
many things in such such few words. He's the guy
in terms of preparation, like you can't do much better
(41:39):
than Fran for Scilla, he does an incredible job at ESPN.
Those are basketball guys football guys, right, Like you know, frankly,
there's some guys that do football that are really good
that maybe don't do the NFL. What's uh, who's really
(42:00):
really good? I think he works for US now at Fox,
right brock cuor she still work for us afy he
stays college games for US. I think brock yours outstanding, relatable, smart,
knows this stuff, doesn't overtalk like, that's the guy I
would eman like. He's freaking fantastic, fantastic and a former
(42:23):
quarterback as well, teaching this stuff, never stuff. And that
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bunch of sound. We'll talk about it a lot, and
(43:15):
I'm gonna tell you a couple of things which we
all know are true, even if we won't want to
admit it. And uh, it's all revolving around to a
tunga Byloa who unfortunately got a concussion last night as
part of the loss by the Miami Dolphins to the
Buffalo Bills. It should be pointed out, and this has
nothing to do with the decision that he'll have to
(43:37):
make or he and his team will have to make
in regards to what his future looks like. It should
be pointed out though, that I've never been a to
a guy in the NFL in terms of his I
just don't think his ceilings that high. And you know,
I remember it was like a year and a half
(43:57):
ago or a year and three quarters ago when Emmanuel
Acho was on Fox Sports one saying that that Justin
Herbert was a what was it, social media quarterback or something,
and that to a tongue of Iloa was actually like
an MVP candidate. I went to the game, and if
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you watch the two of those two men play quarterback,
and you think there's any way of comparing to a
tongue of Bioloa was with with Justin Herbert, and I
don't know what you're watching, but he's widely regarded as
an incredible human being. And remember he's been kind of
(44:40):
a sympathetic figure this year, considering how he relayed that
Brian floor as their former head coach, treated him. So
two was the guy who came in off the bench
and won the National Championship. Game two was the guy
who was seen is better than Jalen Hurts, and so
Jalen Hurts had to leave. TUA was the guy that
the league won to tank for Two was the guy
who who in some ways was in many ways is
(45:03):
the reason Brian Flores was fired because he didn't buy
into TUA and the way he traded to A and
the rest of the front office saw that, and they
of course wanted to draft to a and they did,
and so you're basically saying all your opinions stink. And
now too, as the guy who has a decision to
make whether or not he's gonna return to the Nation
(45:25):
Football League this year or ever.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Here's Mike McDaniel when he talked to reporters this morning
about the quarterback future.
Speaker 10 (45:37):
I totally understand it, and it's not misplaced. I totally
get how that's where people want to go to. I
just wish that people would for seconds hear what I'm
saying that bringing up his future is not the best
interest of him.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Here's he was asked about the quarterback's future. So has
Man Titeya, a longtime friend of two of them are
Man Titeya now has joined Good Morning Football in the
NFL network. Here's what he had to say this morning.
Speaker 8 (46:08):
After he suffered the one against the Bengals. I wanted
him to walk that that that when I saw him
have to be carted off the field, I wanted him.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
To walk like that was mm hmm, yep, that was hard.
Speaker 7 (46:23):
Bro.
Speaker 8 (46:24):
Like what people have to understand is this is just
a game, you know, and then and then there's a
life and when you watch when you watch a young
man that you've known since she was a little boy,
I'll go out there, you know, yeah, is it hard?
Is it hard for me? Yeah, but I can't imagine
how it is for Uncle Nahlu and Aunty Diana watch
their son again go down. And you know, khalais mentioned
(46:47):
it was so good to watch him stand up for
somebody that's been in that situation where I've had a concussion.
I don't even know if two is there as he's
walking off the field, Like there's been clips of me
after concussions, getting off the g and walking up the stadium,
walking into the locker room. I don't remember those walks.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
I get it. But I'd also point out, this is
what we're doing with all of this, and it's very
natural to do it is we're putting ourselves in the
shoes of to a tongue of Iylawa. We're living our
own life through to it. When this is totally you know,
I'm not saying that Mantai didn't have concussions and any
of this stuff is made up, not in any way,
(47:27):
But I don't know if that's the experience of to
a tongue of Iyolawa. I don't. Here's Antonio Pierce, of course,
an a former linebacker in the NFL, because the Raiders
head coach talking about to his future.
Speaker 11 (47:37):
I'll be honest, I'll just retire. It's not worth it, It's
not worth to play the game. I haven't witnessed anything
like I've seen. This happened to him three times.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Scary.
Speaker 11 (47:46):
You can see right away the players faces on the field.
You can see the sense urgency from everybody to get
to a help. I just think at some point, you know,
he don't live longer and he's don't play football, take
care of your family.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
So it does feel like again you have football players
and former football players saying like what are you doing here?
Plus he just signed the new contract, which would be settled.
But I also know that one of the things that
has made football players different is they've known this, they've
known what could happen, and they've still gone and down
it anyway. I mean running a lot, cut off part
of his fingers so he could play in a playoff game,
(48:20):
Like what are we doing here? You know? So I
don't know. My big thing is I don't think we
can insert ourselves, our own lives, our own thoughts, our
own dreams, our own wishes, or what we think he
should do into his life. I think we just got
to let him handle that one. Well. It's true former
(48:40):
football players, good friends can get good advice. My guess
is he doesn't play the rest this year. That's my
guess in times of retirement. I don't think he makes
that decision in the short term. I think it becomes
a decision that's made further down the road, and there's
a strong possibility he does shut it down. Does Could
he try to come back one more time?
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Maybe and make it about and you know, when he
comes back, he'd make it about the Dolphins. They're belief
in him giving him the contract despite the fact this
could happen. But this is also one of the reasons
that people said, don't give that contract. Dan Byer, what
would you do? You're to a tongue of Bailoa. You
have a really good team. And here's the thing. If
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you say, well the doctors, tell him, if you want
to find a doctor that can make that can make
it so that you can play, you will find a doctor.
You will find a doctor. If you want to find
a doctor that says you should never play, you will
find the doctor Bier.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
What do you think, Well, there's a couple of things,
and I may not be taking this head on to
what you're you're asking, but because as he said, all
of this is speculation.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
On what we think is going to happen, what would
I do with Tua? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
I can't even can't even fast them a guess on it.
But what I do know is he can't protect himself
right now. That play last night was so avoidable, absolutely avoidable,
and you would hope that after last season, in trying
to manage a season where there wasn't that big injury,
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he was able to make it through that we didn't
see this again, that maybe Tua actually learned from it.
I'm not trying to blame him for it, but last
night didn't have to happen. Last year was an example
of how you can get through the season in maybe
trying to protect yourself in certain ways because the year prior,
there were what three instances where, you know, the first
(50:43):
game they had against the Bills in twenty twenty two,
the obvious one that Manta Tea was just talking about
with Cincinnati, and then there was the Christmas Day Packers
game where he also suffered that that concussion. So I
thought that maybe Tua had learned and figured out a
way to do so. But if you can't protect yourself,
let alone anybody else on your team, yeah, I don't
(51:05):
know if I'd want to play anymore if and that
may be the reason why Tua wants to play, because
he still thinks he can. But he's the one that's
hurting himself last night. Did not have to happen.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Cayse Stu, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Yeah, I think I was. I thought the exact same
thing that Danta, and I think this should be baked
into his decision or whoever's going to make the decision
for him, because I think there is a legitimate question
of whether or not you should allow him to make
the decision. If his head is scrambled multiple times, is
(51:40):
he of the right mind to make a decision like this?
And that thing where he can't protect himself should be
baked into this decision. You know, anybody else has had
multiple concussions, you have a decision to make about your future.
But there's a history now of him not being able
to protect himself, and I think that that that is
(52:02):
a part a big part of this. I just I
did not see any reason for doing what he did
last night. Right, he had already gotten the first down.
There's just no reason to not slide there. And if,
like Dan says, if he was making these decisions last
year and he was going fine, I don't know why
he decided to do that last night. And I'm going
(52:24):
to use this example from a personal standpoint. My son
has balance issues. He's on the spectrum and he has
balance issues, and he does a lot of athletic things,
but inevitably he falls. He's broken the exact same elbow
five times. It's it's a miserable situation that I can't
stand and I hate seeing him go through this. But
(52:47):
he breaks his fall, he breaks his elbow, and if
I'm to his parents, I'm in the same shoes. He
obviously can't protect himself.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Sam.
Speaker 9 (53:03):
So after he did like the martial arts trending to help,
you know, buffer his falls and stuff or soften the
blows of his falls. You know, he had a clean
year last year. But my question is, like, did we
really think this wouldn't happen again? I mean, if he's
gonna play, you know, ten to fifteen years in the NFL.
Of course it's gonna happen again. I was thinking this
last night that if he does decide to continue his
(53:24):
career after sitting out, I don't know, half the season
or the full season, maybe comes back next year, he
should be the first guy to really celebrate and sport
the you know, the Guardian cap, and we should celebrate it.
And there's nothing, nothing at all that's unmanly or woosy
about protecting your brain. Yeah, he's gonna look like Marvin
(53:45):
the Martian out there, but I think that all these
guys are gonna end up wearing these at some point,
So he could be the first quarterback in the NFL
to really celebrate it and sport it. And he has
to show us. There's gonna be a lot of pressure
on him from the outside. He has to show us
that he's trying to protect his his brain safety. So
if he does continue his career, that's totally up to him.
I agree with Jason that maybe it's not completely his decision,
(54:07):
but I do think at the end of the day,
if he wants to continue his career, he should be
the one to decide that. But he needs to he
needs to protect, protect himself more with actual materials in
the future.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
No question he's going to ultimately he'll have to make
the call, but you know there'll be a steady amount
of pressure. And look, you heard that from Anti Taya.
I have no doubt that he's getting to get a
ton of pressure from people close to him to shut
it down. But I thought all of you guys made
the really good point. While you look yesterday, it wasn't
(54:39):
like it was a direct helmet to helmet hit. It
wasn't some violent, violent collision, And that only shows where
he is now in that it doesn't take a lot.
And again, this is kind of classic multiple concussions, where
the more you have, the easier it is to get
the next one, and with every next one it becomes
more damaging. And then we haven't even gotten to like,
(55:01):
it's not like you can tell people to stop tackling him.
Eventually he'll get tackled and his head will hit the dirt,
and his head hits the dirt and feels like it's
the auto concussion. So I think we all know what
the decision will ultimately be. It's just a question of
how long will it take him to get there, and
will he try it one more time before he does.
Does that make sense? Dan?
Speaker 3 (55:20):
Does that?
Speaker 1 (55:21):
I mean I just feel like that.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
Ye, yeah, you know, I love that.
Speaker 4 (55:24):
Sam pointed up that at some point this was probably
going to happen again, and this happened again in a
nationally televised game, you know, the standalone game, and the
visual aspect of the of the hits is jarring.
Speaker 9 (55:42):
It really is. I have one more thing. Look, it
just looked like he reverted back to bad habits. He
was they were down thirty one to ten. He was
going to pick up a first down. So instead of
like Mahomes is always so conscious of his body and
like where he is on the field and like what
he's going to do next, and I feel like, well,
and that moment was desperate just to get them to score.
(56:02):
So he kind of sloppily goes out running and then
just goes barreling into DeMar Hamlin head first, and he
just all of the things he learned last year with
the martial arts training just went out the window. And
so it's like, guys, sometimes you're desperate, they lose control
of their bodies. They're just trying to get a first
down or score a touchdown. And they don't think about
like the physics of it, and he'd ended up really
hurting himself.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
Yeah, it's called game slippage, Sam, where you result you
you know, you you regress to the mean. That's really
what happens. You regress to the mean. It's sad. It
just it just is because by all accounts, really good dude.
And yeah, he had had some sympathy a lot of
people because of how he said Brian Flora has treated him.
(56:46):
But there's also the football reality to it, which is
this is why so many people told the Dolphins, like,
don't give him some big long term deal. Now there
are some injury stuff and you if he retires, you
can get it off the books.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
But was that that's not pretty? And how about the
fact is Deamar Hamlin.
Speaker 3 (57:05):
People poetry, poetry.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
It was super ironic that it's Damar Hamlin of all
people who makes just an innocuous tackle and ends up
leaving in a concussion.
Speaker 9 (57:16):
Yeah, there's nothing at all, Like his tackle was just
like him putting his body in the way of Tua
to stop him from progressing. So it's like, you know,
there's nothing, Yeah, no, nothing at all. It was Tua
running his head first into tomorrow. It was just a bad,
bad situation.
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