September 17, 2024 • 44 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug agrees with Nick Sirianni's controversial decision to pass the ball when his Eagles were up three points with time on his side in Monday Night's heartbreaking defeat, and Doug explains why he didn't hate the decision.
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Speaker 2 (00:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Here's the thing I can't stand Nick Sirianni. I think
the act is super tired, but he fits Philadelphia perfectly.
On the other hand, the decision to throw the ball
to Saquon Barkley. I have no issue with at all. None, none. Again,
(01:19):
you're managing the game, and you felt like, kind of
in the old Bill Belichick mode. If we get this
first down, the game is over. Could a cake the
field goal right made it exceptionally difficult, also a possibility.
What I think is interesting is there's lots of people,
some on this network who will tell you aggressive wins.
Then somebody's aggressive and they don't win and they're an idiot.
(01:41):
I have any problem with it, and that's the difference
to me and other people. And I actually think we'll
talk about the some on the pod. There's something to
think that Belichick had negative words about Atlanta because he's
mad because he didn't get the Atlanta job, when I'd
like to think that he, like me, like you, may
be pissed at Atlanta or not, or he may not
have really wanted that job. He wanted everybody else to
(02:02):
drive up the Atlanta to drive at the price and
the Cowboys I fire Mike McCarthy. I don't know. But
the point is that I can think Nick Sirianni's act
is tired and a complete, you know, artificial performance and
still say look, you got a chance to win the game.
Go win the football game. And I'm sure every Giants
(02:28):
fan was sitting there going like, say's a joker can
catch out of the backfield, Saque can't? You could make
all those inferences, I don't. I think Jalen Hurts has
shown he's not nearly as good as thrower. I mean
that interception was a terrible read, a terrible throw. Obviously
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he's much more of a runner. I don't have any
problem with the decision or even the play. Although Dallas
Goddard was open. Who's Dallas Goddard? Who's their tight end?
Well open, right over the middle. But my thing is
we always tell you be aggressive, be aggressive. Here's the
guy was aggressive. Pretty safe play call doesn't work. And
because people don't like Nick Sirianni, they want to go
(03:11):
say or they don't like the Eagles say when the
reality is like, I don't know, I kind of like it.
I don't like every decision they made.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
That one.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I don't mind. I know they choked, but again that decision,
I don't mind. You you have to be able to process. Hey,
I don't like him. He's you know, it's like a
WWE persona doesn't seem like that's how he really is,
or if he is, he's just annoying. All those things
(03:42):
are fine, fair, okay, but you also have to separate
that when you evaluate what he's doing and how he's
doing it. And though I don't think the Eagles are
nearly as good as maybe the reputation of their players
says they should be. I thought in that particular instance,
that particular play call, there was nothing wrong. Take one
and catch the ball. But I mean, how many times
(04:04):
have we seen people just run the ball in the
line or take kick the field goal and all of
a sudden you get in a prevail defense and they
march it down the field. I love it. You get
a first down, you win a game. One play to
win a game, it se going Barca's got to catch
the ball. Jase, are you in the same place with
the Eagles or is it because you don't like the
(04:24):
Sirianni that you like kind of performative art and that's
kind of what he does.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, I mean, Sarah Yanni the stuff that I didn't like, Like,
what was it he had the chance to accept a
penalty for a first down wait in the game and
he declined it, which is I think the right call
time wise, But it's just a way he did it,
like he wanted to tell the crowd that it was
his decision to decline it.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
No cut, He's what's called feeling himself.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah yeah, look at me. Check this out. I just
sealed the game for you guys, and then he does this.
You're right. I think the decision to pass that ball
is easy to criticize today, But my goodness, what happens
if you just literally kneel the ball twice? Like that's
(05:12):
what the the Manning cast was was talking about, Like
they thought they were going to do like a tush
push for like two plays and just let that clock
go as far as it possibly can.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
The point. Yeah, no, I got it. I get it.
You absolutely can. They didn't do it that way. I again,
I don't think he's a a great head coach. I
think it's a it's an act and people and players
see through it. I don't care about the fans seeing
through it. Players, I think to see through it. Decline
(05:46):
the penalty again. I understand the idea of running down
the clock and running out the game and not getting
to the ball back, but you run the risk of
this happening. Dan Byer, where are you on Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, it's funny because I also am not a Sirianni fan,
and we've talked about this. I feel that Jalen Hurts
is more of the adult in the room than the
head coaches, and I think that's a problem. And I
felt the same thing that the people like you and
like me would pile on Nick Sirianni for his decision
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last night, and I actually think it's rightfully so. And
the reason is is I've thought of this old adage
over the last few seasons. I think it's very important
in the National Football League. What does the other team
want you to do? And when we use that scenario,
it's usually in short yardage or fourth down situations, late
(06:42):
game situations. What would the Falcons want the Philadelphia Eagles
to do? And that is to throw the ball on
third down? They didn't want him to run it. It
would have taken more time off the clock. To the
point of whether it be tush put you know, brotherly shove,
however you want to say it, whether it's taking a
need to wind down the clock some more. But Atlanta
(07:03):
wanted you to throw the football because just maybe, just
maybe they'd get an interception or the clock would stop
and you wouldn't get any yards with that. Even if
they didn't get any yards on the third down run,
you're still running another forty seconds off of the clock.
And that's where the decision by Sirianni completely backfired, because
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the Falcons didn't have any timeouts they needed to score
that touchdown, and now you also gave them an extra
forty seconds in addition to the yardage that they didn't get.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Here's Nick Sirianni after the game.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
We wanted to they were running a certain defense and
junking it up in the middle, so we're trying to
go on around the outside, and you know, it didn't work.
Again in that scenario, I was thinking they might not
have any timeouts there, but obviously they did with the
with the incomplete pass, you know, that would have that
(08:00):
would have came down to maybe a minute, and so
we wanted to go up six points, you know, and
it didn't work. So you know, my decision to pass
it there again, like I said, you know what, they
were junking it up inside with it being fourth and
three to go for I thought you know, with them
not having any timeouts, I wanted to be down a
(08:21):
touchdown and see if they could drive the field, and
they did. Hats off to them.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, So I don't actually mind any of the answer
or any of the response. There's ownership there, there's an
explanation there. He didn't throw Saquon under the bus, even
though he could have. He didn't throw Jaalen under the
bus for that horrific interception, even though he could have.
So I don't I don't like the Sirianni Act in general,
(08:49):
but in terms of going for it there, I don't
have a problem. And then the other part too, It
is I have long believed that Jalen hurts and his
one outlier season was just that. You know, it's just
that I don't I don't see him as an elite,
elite quarterback. I stand. I reserve the right to be wrong.
But outside of you know whatever that was fourteen games
(09:12):
or so one year, I haven't been wrong. But those
fourteen or fifteen game whatever, when he got hurt that
MVP year, he was unbelievable, unbelievable. It's the Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. We do have what I
think I think it's an outstanding show for you. Chase
dou did a hell of a job today. There's there's
(09:37):
also you know, the two there's also the two Manaers.
You guys hear this. This is the two Mannings in
Matt Ryan on that on that play call. That was
the timing of it to have a former MVP of
former Falcons quarterback and of course the Mannings in there
as well. This was so good. Take a listen.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Gotta stay on the ground here, right, Matt.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
This talk shouldn't go in the air the rest of
the game.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
I think Philly. I think Philly might be thinking, you know,
we got we got two hours to get three yards. No,
I'm just saying I think I don't think they're gonna
go to one.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
I think the.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Push is coming. The push is coming. We can't throw
it here. Hey, look, two yard game here. I agree, Matt,
two yard game here. I think we're going far for one.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
He's sneaking it.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
Oh hi sho oh wow.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
They had it.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
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Speaker 3 (11:03):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I didn't either, but I did. I was like, it
was like watchings kind of slow death. You're like, all right,
this one's over. Started to look around. I was on
my phone and then I looked up and like, wait what?
And then they saw the replay, like wait, the last
minute forty five of that game was you want to
talk about a schurnaround? And some I didn't. I had
kind of chalked it up and started kind of moving
(11:26):
mentally on from the game d Empire.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I just had there.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
There was a point where I looked at the clock
and they had I think there was ten minutes left
in the fourth quarter and the game had only taken
like two hours and ten minutes, Like it was only
like seven thirty hour time. It was like a really
really quick game, and because the Eagles were chewing up clock,
there weren't a lot of stoppages, like the game was
(11:51):
just moving along. But because it went so fast, I
think I had a lot of energy. Plus there was
a lot of fantasy stuff that ended up happening at
the end, and there was stuff that I was involved with.
I got saved because of the Drake London touchdown at
the end in one of my leagues. He ended up
scoring and putting me over the top. I think that's
(12:11):
another reason why people were probably locked in and just
wondering maybe they had Saquon Barkley and needed another catch
or Kirk Cousins or something like that. But yeah, a
lot changed. And then your point about the Jalen Hurts interception.
Even there, you know, the Eagles probably had opportunities. There
could be people who had Jake Elliott as a kicker
and needed two points. So that's where fantasy and the
(12:33):
betting angles keep you keep you locked in, even when
I've kind of moved on.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
The field game with weren't the Eagles getting or giving
five and a half?
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah? It was like six? I think it was. Yeah,
could have been.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Say nobody walked away from that game because you had
to sweat out that field goal at the end, and
then I did.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I didn't have any money in the game, so I
don't bet on football games, so it wasn't like I
was just I'm watching the game. I was actually was
at a bar with John Anderson, who used to do
Sports Center obviously who grew up here. And I'm watching
and then end of the third I had playing time.
I went back home. I get home and I'm watching
the fourth and then all of a sudden, you know,
(13:12):
a two minute warning. You're like, this one feels about done.
You know, you start going through the Okay, what else
I gotta do? Well, you're looking up, looking down, looking up,
looking down.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Completely covered up is Drake London's fifteen yard penalty. Yeah,
for the extra point, which was the difference. Young Wayku
ended up making the forty eight yard extra point. But
if he doesn't, then we're all tied up and probably
headed to overtime in that scenario, because.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
What is the rule there? What is the rule on
on NFL celebrations, because he did the like it looked
like firing a gun off into the air.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, machine gun celebrations are not allowed and a violation.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Okay, yep, I listen, I have no problem if that's
If that's a rule and they know it, that's fine.
Like at that point I was, I remember watching it
and I was again, I was pouring myself a drink
and I was on the phone, and I was just like, wait,
why was that a penalty? And I saw what he did.
I didn't know that machine gun? What else i'd you know?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You get?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You get two hip thrusts not three?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Or is that rule generations aren't allowed? Throat slash we
all know is not allowed.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Throat slash. I knew of yeah, yeah, purt slash.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I knew if just a few of the things not allowed.
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about helmets, shoulder pads, increased safety. You like everybody, we
saw what happened with Tua. What do you think the
likely it is he returns to be quarterback this year
for the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well, that's that's a tough one because you're talking about
really an injury, any other injury, you know, the proverbial
high angles frame. You go through a progression of healing up.
When does he be able to get mobility, do the
doctor sign off of it? And then and then you
have a realistic expectation that it will continue to heal
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barring another hit to it during the course of the season.
Concussion is a totally different breed. This is one that
and it's hard because this has got to be a
very much an individual decision by to You can't the coaches,
the doctors, all the other stuff because of the long
term ramifications. At some point, you know, his head's going
(16:07):
to clear out, he's going to feel fine, and he's
going to feel like he can play, but the legitimate
question about the long term effects, and he doesn't have
that perspective of knowing thirty forty years down the line
what kind of effect this is going to have. So
this this is an extremely tough one. But I imagine
over the four weeks it will rectify itself in terms
(16:28):
of actually the symptoms, and he's just going to have
to have the hard, face to face conversation in the mirror.
Do I want to continue to take this risk because
of the unique nature of the injury. My guess is
that he will. He's a young man, he's ambitious, he
wants to continue to play. He'll feel better, But this
is a tough call.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
It definitely is a tough call. What were your thoughts
on how the Eagles handled having a lead last night?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
You know what, the Eagles are an interesting animal right now.
Let's go back to last year. I mean, there's just
something not right about the Eagles right now. And it's
an extension from last year. You go back to what
were they nine and one? Ten and one? I mean,
they looked unbeatable, they looked like a complete team. They
actually and then the next game, I think it was
against the forty nine ers. They actually took a lead,
(17:19):
a six nothing lead, and then had absolutely fallen apart.
Since that, the Niners went on and scored, I think,
verged on every possession. After that, they went on and
won only one of the remaining four or five six games.
And now they've got the talent, they have a confidence
about them, but they just don't seem to be able
(17:40):
to finish anything. They just don't seem to have any
confidence about what they're doing. This is a strange, strange circumstance.
I don't know that it's going to get any better.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I'm fascinated by the Ravens. I don't know how you
lose that game, especially having a lead at home. Offensive
line is not great. It feels like the Derrick Henry.
I don't know if that mix, if it's they haven't
played together enough, but you know, between the offensive line,
Lamar having to run it more, Derrick Henry's not a
(18:13):
pass catcher out of the backfield just to power back,
and a guy that needs, you know, twenty five thirty
carries to get it going. They're just they're missing on
some stuff early. How fixable are the Ravens problems?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I think you identifying the offensive line is maybe at
the core of it. Now, let's keep in mind now
they're they're a toe touch and another catch from being
two to zero. Same team doing the same thing, became
that close to both games. It was shocking at home
to see the Raiders come back late thirteen points against
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that defense, which is still a really solid defense. And
what's going to be very interesting is the next three games.
I mean, and they're right now, they're a good team.
There's no reason to think that they're not continuing to
be a great, you know, good playoff team. But they're
oh and two and they're now hearing all this stuff,
(19:09):
all the rhetoric and noise around them. They've never gone
to the playoffs after starting oh and two. Uh, they've
got an eleven percent chance oh and two teams do
going to the playoffs. Now, this team will kind of
shut that out, but all that noise is going to
continue to go on. And they have a stretch here.
They go on the road to Dallas, a desperate Dallas team,
so both these teams are desperate to win. And then
(19:32):
they come home against a very good Bills team and
then have to go on the road to Cincinnati. So
this is this is a unique territory. This is a
very good playoff capable Ravens team that could be legitimately
oh to five. And that's a that's a scary proposition.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Dallas Cowboys, the Saints come in and just mollywant them,
molly want them. Was that more about the Saints or
about the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Let's start with the Saints. That that that was impressive,
and let's go back. Let's look at the Saints over
the last two games. And I know the first game
we against Carolina, but it was a divisional game, so
those those carry a little bit more pressure and weight
with them. What they then offensively is stunning. I mean
they what scored on their first six drives, each over
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seventy yards except the last one which is on a
short or the last one of the half, which is
on short field because of the turnover. Between the last
two games, They've scored on every single possession in the
in the first two halves of their games. Derek Carr
looks spectacular. They're running the ball. Avan Kamara is is,
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you know, just maybe the best back that's complete back,
and with the Kubiak offense, he is one of those
rare guys, and it is rare guys that truly have
a sixth sense about how to run that zone scheme
and that has always been so successful, going back to
the Shanahan years Kubiak and all the success he has.
So this offense of New Orleans is absolutely the real
(21:03):
deal and it's fun to watch. Having said that, Dallas
have home getting just you know, they had absolutely no
answer uh and that and that's hard to face that,
Mike Zimmer and that and Mike McCarthy's got to look
at that. I mean, they gave up one hundred and
ninety yards rushing to the New Orleans Saints. They gave
(21:23):
up five big plays in the passing game, and forget
offensively the fact that they couldn't run the ball and
the turn two turnovers by Dak because that offense will
come back and be okay. But the defense boy Ne
Orleans as good as No Orleans is playing that Dallas defense,
and now they're going to face the Ravens team that
(21:44):
that that one two punch of Derrick Henry uh uh
and and Lamar Jackson pulling out and getting too the
outside totally different challenge in the stopping this run. But still,
this is this, this is this is a must win
for both teams.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Bryce Young. It may not be good enough, you may
not be big enough, you may not have the armstring,
But what happened sunday wasn't about that. Like he he
can't complete basic throws, like he's he's kind of a
mess right now. And I would say, again, this is
outsider but also kind of coach to coach. It looks
like a guy who's lost his confidence. Is there a
(22:22):
way to fix that in season?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Well, it's tough. It's yeah, win and go out and
play well. But the things that tended to it and
the reason he's not looking good are those going to change?
And then more importantly, now you look what does the
team think? What do they see? And do you stay
with this where now the team's questioning. You know, you
(22:49):
want to be supportive and hey, we're going to help
you through this and this tough time, but but you
also you got to win and so typically does it
turn around. No, But that's a tough that's a tough
call when you make those kind of changes.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I'm with you, it's just it's a really hard one.
And then and then you factor in he might not.
Even if he has his confidence back, which is a
long rebuilding process, he still might not be there. You know,
your last year in Minnesota when you went to the
NFC Championship game, he guys had the best best offense
the world ever seen. Right, it was Randal Cunningham like
(23:29):
reinvigorating Randall Cunningham, And I'm just wondering, I understand it's
a different era or whatever we're watching Sam Darnold similarly
with the Vikings. He's had opportunities with the Jets, with
the Panthers, as a backup with the Niners, and now
it does feel like, again we're talking small sample size,
only two games, but kind of hitting his stride. What's
(23:52):
that like to be a part of a guy who
has the talent and has had people believe in him
and then later in his career kind of starts to
figure it out when put again, like your Vikings team
with some super talented skill position players, Yeah, it is exciting.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I'd equated more to maybe Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Taken in my in Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Expectations goes obviously to Tennessee and things just kind of
click for him and Sam Donald did look very comfortable
against a good Remember the forty nine defense in particular
in the forty nine team is pretty darn good. And
and the fact that brought pretty on the other side
was looking pretty good and was moving the ball, notwithstanding
(24:35):
in one interception. They had a number of big plays.
But Sam Donald he looked that's the main thing. He
looked comfortable, and they had the running game going, and
he spread the ball around and he had his share
of the big plays down the field. So yeah, this
could this could be fun. And it's always great to
see when someone is able to re establish themselves. I mean,
(24:58):
they were seven of twelve on third down. That tells
you how comfortable he was in doing what he was doing.
And so yeah, anytime you can see someone remake themselves,
get an opportunity to show that he is capable. Now,
can you sustain it? You know, obviously Minnesota bit of
surprise that they're doing what they're doing right now, but
(25:18):
playing very very well. So yeah, that's the that's the
key for Sam Donald. Now can you sustain this over
the entire season? But they they he's got to be
energized by it. Coach O'Connell's got to be energized by it.
The team's got to be energized by it. I know
the fans are. I live in Minnesota during the summer.
I just returned to Columbus this week, and the fans,
(25:40):
you know, obviously, when the injury to their draft choice
went down, Oh boy, what now they're excited about it
because they thought they were going to be a pretty
good team and they see that, hey, maybe Sam Donald
can be. So everybody's going to be energized by this,
and it's going to be fun to watch.
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You're the best coach. Thanks so much for joining us.
Really appreciate it.
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little break for a second from NFL talk from the Eagles,
which I'm just I don't. I don't like the Eagles.
I don't like anything about them.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I respect when they're good in football, but it just
not a it's fun. It's it's enjoyable to watch the
Eagles lose, especially at home, really enjoyable watch the Cowboys
lose as well. So it's a good weekend. Everybody else
had a good weekend if you include the apps. Absolutely
absolutely a hundred euros. Sich is the new asy athletic
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director at Arkansas, and Arkansas obviously Sam Sam Pittman's their
head coach coaching football. I saw a great T shirt.
We almost always were.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
We always almost we almost always almost always always almost win.
Oh yeah, we almost we always almost always No hold on,
let's let's start it again. We Arkansas football, we always
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almost win something like that anyway. And then of course
in basketball they hired John cal Perry and I think
the guy's name is John Tyson, the guy from Tyson Foods.
That's Tyson Chicken, right, that's right there in Arkansas has
donated huge money. And previous when they had Eric musselm in,
(28:43):
the story was that while other people would donate money
to nil uh, the Tyson Foods guy would only donate
to the school, not to NIL. And those are two
separate things because so many in industry don't want, they
don't believe in donating strictly straight to the kids. They
just don't. Here's one of your issues. The ad at
Arkansas talking about ANIL.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
It has been terrible, been it's been awful INIL the
way it was intended, the way it was intended July
first of twenty twenty one, that if a student athlete
had a value to their name, image, or likeness, and
there was a business product or service like one of
these many businesses up here that wanted to use a
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student athlete to market their business product or service, well
they could receive compensation, valid compensation to do that.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
And that's how this all started.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
And our student athletes in their first year did an
incredible job going out and knocking on doors and beating
the bushes, and they generated almost two and a half
million dollars in what I will call was legitimate INIL
agreements that they went out and got on their own.
But in college athletics, we are our own worst enemy,
and we find the loophole to every single rule in
(29:53):
the rule book. And we found a loophole where we
created these things called collectives and electives or donors pulling
their resources together to pay student athletes collectives under the
auspice of doing work, charitable work, whether that was tweeting
about a charitable organization or signing autographs or making public appearances.
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But the amounts of money that we're getting paid. We're
simply ridiculous and still are ridiculous, and they just continue
to be ridiculous. And because when businesses are making decisions,
you make good business decisions.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Right, If you're going.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
To hire a student athlete to market your business, you're
going to pay them market value. Well, collectives aren't paying
market value, they're just buying teams, and so that figure
has grown to just a ridiculous number. And athletic directors
are charged many times with going out and raising those
dollars through various means.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
And now we've.
Speaker 8 (30:51):
Finally gotten their footing at the University of Arkansas in
the NIL world, but we're not where we need to be.
I will tell you the upper Echellent the SEC in
football is probably spending double of what we're spending on
our football program right now in the NIL space.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
That's reality.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
So, I mean, you can blame that on Sam Pittman,
but it's not Sam Pittman's problem. It's his problem, but
it's a money problem, right because if someone's spinding double
of what we're spending, they're going to have a corner
on the market.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. There is
a lot to it. But what he's saying is exactly right.
And oh yeah, by the way, if you followed me
for a long time, I have been an opponent of NIL.
Not because I don't think a guy should be able
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to represent all loot meats or festival foods or or
the Legacy hotel in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Not because of that,
but because everyone who saw this happening knew it would
be pay for play. And you're you're dishonest with yourself.
(32:10):
You're definitely dishonest with the rest of us, dishonest with
the rest of us if if you think otherwise, and
they're just isn't a reward for doing it quote unquote
(32:30):
the right and traditional way, you know, And it's just
there's so many things that fans don't realize. And this
was a push for a long time for you know,
and people said nil and the NCAA was d'arconian or whatever,
but this is what they were protecting against. Everybody knew it.
Everybody knew it. It's not great, it's really not not
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at all because there is zero I rowe value in
the actual education which should be provided. Now some of
that is like we've gotten to the point where kids
won't even take step foot on campus. You know. Look,
it hasn't made it to where it's funny.
Speaker 7 (33:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
The NCAA, their argument before Congress was or before the
judges has been that it would destroy equal opportunity to
be successful. And the truth is there was no real
equal opportunity. The best who are most funded have always
been the best. I think what's changed is that you
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can win anywhere if you have a lot of money.
If you have a lot of money, the problem is
that the parody has will start to and continue to
disappear because two conferences have so much more money than
everybody else, so much more money than everywhere else. And again,
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I continue to believe that the way to fix it
is that you have to sit out when you transfer,
and you cannot get a check until you've actually played
a season or played you know, four games, whatever, established
some value for yourself at your current school. That's my belief,
(34:25):
because you don't really have name, image and likeness as pressure.
Maybe Arch Maanning, but again he can use his own
you know, private industry or whatever, but the collective, the
idea of you like Archpanning, and that's because of he's
the Manning family. That's where you get into a real
kind of gray area. Way can arch banding not make
money because even though he didn't play, he was still
crazy popular.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Sure. What's interesting is players have to pay taxes on
their ni OL money. And if you ask most coaches, actually,
I'm guessing if you ask all coaches and you say,
do you think any of your guys have paid attention
to the idea they're gonna have to pay taxes on
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their money? Or do they have any of the money
that they have yet? Are there great stories of people
buying books, buying charitable stuff, buying stuff for other teammates,
although most of the stuff for the other teammates come
from the actual sponsor itself, not from the player. Yes,
there absolutely are, But I would also tell you that
there's probably in the sixty to seventy percent variety that
(35:28):
money that you give them that they don't quote unquote need,
because you still get room and board, you still get
cost of attendance, you still get what's called Alston money.
And some players that come from tough backgrounds to get
pell grant, you know, part of FAFSA as well. So
you'll have guys that regardless of nil. You know, they're
pocketing in the five grand or so a month, maybe
(35:55):
a little bit less than that because the pell is
sixty six hundred, the Ulster money is like seven thousand,
but it's basically thirty five hundred a semester, like kind
of do the math. But you get cost of attendance
plus your room and board check, and you're staying at
usually the nicest place either on campus or in town.
So in addition to all that, you're getting your nil money.
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You don't necessarily need it as a freshman, and if
you're not playing, you have no name, image and likeness
value in my opinion, Buyer, you're an Ohio State fan.
Everyone knows they've gone out and spent and spent and spent.
Is there any like this kind of feels icky?
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Yeah, the whole thing does I you know, like, as
the you know, the clip was talking about, my naive
mind thought, hey, this will be good for an offensive
lineman to go to the local car dealership and sign
some autographs on a Sunday afternoon and get a little
extra change in his pocket or something like that was
(37:01):
me being just completely naive to the whole deal. And yeah,
it's not it's not great. And even today the state
of Georgia, you know, allowing their athletes to be paid directly,
as their governor signed this order which could put now
Georgia at an advantage over other schools. And if you're
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Georgia or Georgia Tech or your other schools in the
SEC or ACC or SEC, you're now at a disadvantage.
And this is all stuff that had never even my
wildest dreams would have would.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Have fat So tell me what the what the Georgia
rule is?
Speaker 4 (37:41):
So this is so schools in Georgia have now legal
cover to immediately begin paying their athletes directly. This is
according to an executive order signed by Governor Brian Kemp
that prohibits the NCAA or Athletic Conferences from punishing any
university or college in Georgia for offering compensation or compensating
a student athlete for the use such as the student
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athletes Nil.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
So what was going to happen next year? They just
sped up the process. Yeah, yeah, because for people don't
know next year, I don't know if it's been made official,
but pretty much everybody knows they're going to all this
is going to come out to the of that department.
The one thing is, and I've talked to a lot
of people previous to getting this job, and now that
I have this job, the idea of hiring athletes as
employees will not work if you hear people saying that
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they don't understand how it all works, because remember that
puts you in the exact same pool as the associate
athletic director, the assistant soccer coach, all this other stuff.
And there are again every state constitution is just is
it a lot? And in order to make hires you
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have to go through an entire hiring process. You can
make emergency hires, but you can't make emergency hires for
eighty five scholarship players or whatever. They go one hundred
scholarship player to go to next year in football, you know,
and you know again part of for example, University of Wisconsin,
say Wisconsin, I have one assistant coach that I'm going
to hire shortly. I've already hired my staff. I have
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room for one more. I have to have a committee approved,
thorough background case. They have to have multiple interviews like that.
Just the process is a lot. So in addition to that,
then you have you know, benefits packages, then you have
all different sorts of HR things. It's just it won't work.
It will not work. It will not work. And it
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also eliminates the tax shelter that athletics benefits under because
now you're basically putting people in the gen pop and
you're paying a decorated music teacher less than you're paying
an offensive lineman. That won't work. None of that stuff
works anyway.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
I'm sorry, go ahead, you know the thing that I
was going to say, And I think that your explanation
of this is really good compared to what I'm about
to say, because I think in your sport, just on
the surface, I think NIL has been good for college basketball,
where it's allowed guys to stay in school and not
leave and feel like they needed to get a paycheck,
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and it has allowed the sport to maybe have more
recognizable names in the past. I don't think you're going
to get that in football in Ohio State was in
a unique situation just because you brought them up earlier,
where you have the Michigan thing, but now you also
have the now twenty million dollar NIL price tag where
a lot of guys ended up. Yeah, I'll return to school.
I'll do that. You know, there's unfinished business. But if
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you weren't getting any of that nil money, that business
probably would have been unfinished and they would have went
into the NFL and got their signing bonus and did
what they needed to do. But it has allowed, at
least in that program guys to stay back. But I
think college basketball on the surface has benefited for US
fans in that way. But compared to what you just said,
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it just seems like an app headache. In real world situations.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
It is, and it is like, look, the biggest issue
is this, Let's just be honest. The biggest issue is
your pool of donors and obviously it changes based upon
your school in the size. And we just had this
conversation with my I went to the when I went
to the Packer Games with my athi director Josh Buron,
It's like, you can't keep asking the same people for money.
(41:28):
You know, I have I have a list of guys.
They're just really good people. They really want to help,
and I'm very cautious of who to ask for what
right now. Like I'm my general way of doing things
was we had a little pool of money I want
to save as much as I could, because I like
the players I have and my goal. I think you
build a winning program, especially at this or maybe even
(41:49):
at any level, with a high retention rate, high reciptus rate,
bring them, bring them all back. And but you know,
it's like, there's other things we need in the program.
There's more money that is needed. But I can't keep
going to the same people to ask for money. Hey,
you made a donation, then you bought tickets, you know,
(42:10):
then you bought something at you know, an auction at
our golf tournament. Then you had something else you already
gave money, Like now we got to ask you for nil.
Like at some point they're just like, dude, you're just
what I love this school, I love what you're doing.
But I'm just I'm good, I'm out. So I do
think that bringing it in with the school does help
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because then you can just make one ask and get
that money and then you got to budget it accordingly.
But it definitely isn't what anybody designed it to do.
And there's a massive disparity between the haves and the
have nots, and it what does it teach me? The
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only part I will disagree with you. I agree that
in college basketball, it's helped keep some players around more
Zach Eati's perfect example, Hunter Dickinson back at Kansas. The
switching schools even to get the checks has hurt some
of that name recognition. I think the popularity of women's
basketball goes way way back towards normal this year, and
(43:13):
I think men's basketball takes a jump back up. So
but I think that in college football what it's done.
Look at bo Nicks, look at you know all of
those quarterbacks that had been in college football for an
extra year. You know Washington, Oregon, even you know Oklahoma
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State and Utah they have two seventh year quarterbacks going
out this weekend and still Water. I actually think it's
it's going to help that product more and maybe help
those players more. But they're just they're just a ridiculous
amount of money and a disparity between guys. It's not
what college foot sports is about. It's not what an
il supposed to be about. And just throwing money at
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a problem or at one player, I don't think that.
I don't think that works long term.
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Speaker 2 (00:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Here's the thing I can't stand Nick Sirianni. I think
the act is super tired, but he fits Philadelphia perfectly.
On the other hand, the decision to throw the ball
to Saquon Barkley. I have no issue with at all. None, none. Again,
(01:19):
you're managing the game, and you felt like, kind of
in the old Bill Belichick mode. If we get this
first down, the game is over. Could a cake the
field goal right made it exceptionally difficult, also a possibility.
What I think is interesting is there's lots of people,
some on this network who will tell you aggressive wins.
Then somebody's aggressive and they don't win and they're an idiot.
(01:41):
I have any problem with it, and that's the difference
to me and other people. And I actually think we'll
talk about the some on the pod. There's something to
think that Belichick had negative words about Atlanta because he's
mad because he didn't get the Atlanta job, when I'd
like to think that he, like me, like you, may
be pissed at Atlanta or not, or he may not
have really wanted that job. He wanted everybody else to
(02:02):
drive up the Atlanta to drive at the price and
the Cowboys I fire Mike McCarthy. I don't know. But
the point is that I can think Nick Sirianni's act
is tired and a complete, you know, artificial performance and
still say look, you got a chance to win the game.
Go win the football game. And I'm sure every Giants
(02:28):
fan was sitting there going like, say's a joker can
catch out of the backfield, Saque can't? You could make
all those inferences, I don't. I think Jalen Hurts has
shown he's not nearly as good as thrower. I mean
that interception was a terrible read, a terrible throw. Obviously
(02:49):
he's much more of a runner. I don't have any
problem with the decision or even the play. Although Dallas
Goddard was open. Who's Dallas Goddard? Who's their tight end?
Well open, right over the middle. But my thing is
we always tell you be aggressive, be aggressive. Here's the
guy was aggressive. Pretty safe play call doesn't work. And
because people don't like Nick Sirianni, they want to go
(03:11):
say or they don't like the Eagles say when the
reality is like, I don't know, I kind of like it.
I don't like every decision they made.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
That one.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I don't mind. I know they choked, but again that decision,
I don't mind. You you have to be able to process. Hey,
I don't like him. He's you know, it's like a
WWE persona doesn't seem like that's how he really is,
or if he is, he's just annoying. All those things
(03:42):
are fine, fair, okay, but you also have to separate
that when you evaluate what he's doing and how he's
doing it. And though I don't think the Eagles are
nearly as good as maybe the reputation of their players
says they should be. I thought in that particular instance,
that particular play call, there was nothing wrong. Take one
and catch the ball. But I mean, how many times
(04:04):
have we seen people just run the ball in the
line or take kick the field goal and all of
a sudden you get in a prevail defense and they
march it down the field. I love it. You get
a first down, you win a game. One play to
win a game, it se going Barca's got to catch
the ball. Jase, are you in the same place with
the Eagles or is it because you don't like the
(04:24):
Sirianni that you like kind of performative art and that's
kind of what he does.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, I mean, Sarah Yanni the stuff that I didn't like, Like,
what was it he had the chance to accept a
penalty for a first down wait in the game and
he declined it, which is I think the right call
time wise, But it's just a way he did it,
like he wanted to tell the crowd that it was
his decision to decline it.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
No cut, He's what's called feeling himself.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah yeah, look at me. Check this out. I just
sealed the game for you guys, and then he does this.
You're right. I think the decision to pass that ball
is easy to criticize today, But my goodness, what happens
if you just literally kneel the ball twice? Like that's
(05:12):
what the the Manning cast was was talking about, Like
they thought they were going to do like a tush
push for like two plays and just let that clock
go as far as it possibly can.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
The point. Yeah, no, I got it. I get it.
You absolutely can. They didn't do it that way. I again,
I don't think he's a a great head coach. I
think it's a it's an act and people and players
see through it. I don't care about the fans seeing
through it. Players, I think to see through it. Decline
(05:46):
the penalty again. I understand the idea of running down
the clock and running out the game and not getting
to the ball back, but you run the risk of
this happening. Dan Byer, where are you on Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, it's funny because I also am not a Sirianni fan,
and we've talked about this. I feel that Jalen Hurts
is more of the adult in the room than the
head coaches, and I think that's a problem. And I
felt the same thing that the people like you and
like me would pile on Nick Sirianni for his decision
(06:19):
last night, and I actually think it's rightfully so. And
the reason is is I've thought of this old adage
over the last few seasons. I think it's very important
in the National Football League. What does the other team
want you to do? And when we use that scenario,
it's usually in short yardage or fourth down situations, late
(06:42):
game situations. What would the Falcons want the Philadelphia Eagles
to do? And that is to throw the ball on
third down? They didn't want him to run it. It
would have taken more time off the clock. To the
point of whether it be tush put you know, brotherly shove,
however you want to say it, whether it's taking a
need to wind down the clock some more. But Atlanta
(07:03):
wanted you to throw the football because just maybe, just
maybe they'd get an interception or the clock would stop
and you wouldn't get any yards with that. Even if
they didn't get any yards on the third down run,
you're still running another forty seconds off of the clock.
And that's where the decision by Sirianni completely backfired, because
(07:25):
the Falcons didn't have any timeouts they needed to score
that touchdown, and now you also gave them an extra
forty seconds in addition to the yardage that they didn't get.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Here's Nick Sirianni after the game.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
We wanted to they were running a certain defense and
junking it up in the middle, so we're trying to
go on around the outside, and you know, it didn't work.
Again in that scenario, I was thinking they might not
have any timeouts there, but obviously they did with the
with the incomplete pass, you know, that would have that
(08:00):
would have came down to maybe a minute, and so
we wanted to go up six points, you know, and
it didn't work. So you know, my decision to pass
it there again, like I said, you know what, they
were junking it up inside with it being fourth and
three to go for I thought you know, with them
not having any timeouts, I wanted to be down a
(08:21):
touchdown and see if they could drive the field, and
they did. Hats off to them.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, So I don't actually mind any of the answer
or any of the response. There's ownership there, there's an
explanation there. He didn't throw Saquon under the bus, even
though he could have. He didn't throw Jaalen under the
bus for that horrific interception, even though he could have.
So I don't I don't like the Sirianni Act in general,
(08:49):
but in terms of going for it there, I don't
have a problem. And then the other part too, It
is I have long believed that Jalen hurts and his
one outlier season was just that. You know, it's just
that I don't I don't see him as an elite,
elite quarterback. I stand. I reserve the right to be wrong.
But outside of you know whatever that was fourteen games
(09:12):
or so one year, I haven't been wrong. But those
fourteen or fifteen game whatever, when he got hurt that
MVP year, he was unbelievable, unbelievable. It's the Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. We do have what I
think I think it's an outstanding show for you. Chase
dou did a hell of a job today. There's there's
(09:37):
also you know, the two there's also the two Manaers.
You guys hear this. This is the two Mannings in
Matt Ryan on that on that play call. That was
the timing of it to have a former MVP of
former Falcons quarterback and of course the Mannings in there
as well. This was so good. Take a listen.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Gotta stay on the ground here, right, Matt.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
This talk shouldn't go in the air the rest of
the game.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
I think Philly. I think Philly might be thinking, you know,
we got we got two hours to get three yards. No,
I'm just saying I think I don't think they're gonna
go to one.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
I think the.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Push is coming. The push is coming. We can't throw
it here. Hey, look, two yard game here. I agree, Matt,
two yard game here. I think we're going far for one.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
He's sneaking it.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
Oh hi sho oh wow.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
They had it.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
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Speaker 3 (11:03):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I didn't either, but I did. I was like, it
was like watchings kind of slow death. You're like, all right,
this one's over. Started to look around. I was on
my phone and then I looked up and like, wait what?
And then they saw the replay, like wait, the last
minute forty five of that game was you want to
talk about a schurnaround? And some I didn't. I had
kind of chalked it up and started kind of moving
(11:26):
mentally on from the game d Empire.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I just had there.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
There was a point where I looked at the clock
and they had I think there was ten minutes left
in the fourth quarter and the game had only taken
like two hours and ten minutes, Like it was only
like seven thirty hour time. It was like a really
really quick game, and because the Eagles were chewing up clock,
there weren't a lot of stoppages, like the game was
(11:51):
just moving along. But because it went so fast, I
think I had a lot of energy. Plus there was
a lot of fantasy stuff that ended up happening at
the end, and there was stuff that I was involved with.
I got saved because of the Drake London touchdown at
the end in one of my leagues. He ended up
scoring and putting me over the top. I think that's
(12:11):
another reason why people were probably locked in and just
wondering maybe they had Saquon Barkley and needed another catch
or Kirk Cousins or something like that. But yeah, a
lot changed. And then your point about the Jalen Hurts interception.
Even there, you know, the Eagles probably had opportunities. There
could be people who had Jake Elliott as a kicker
and needed two points. So that's where fantasy and the
(12:33):
betting angles keep you keep you locked in, even when
I've kind of moved on.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
The field game with weren't the Eagles getting or giving
five and a half?
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah? It was like six? I think it was. Yeah,
could have been.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Say nobody walked away from that game because you had
to sweat out that field goal at the end, and
then I did.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I didn't have any money in the game, so I
don't bet on football games, so it wasn't like I
was just I'm watching the game. I was actually was
at a bar with John Anderson, who used to do
Sports Center obviously who grew up here. And I'm watching
and then end of the third I had playing time.
I went back home. I get home and I'm watching
the fourth and then all of a sudden, you know,
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a two minute warning. You're like, this one feels about done.
You know, you start going through the Okay, what else
I gotta do? Well, you're looking up, looking down, looking up,
looking down.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Completely covered up is Drake London's fifteen yard penalty. Yeah,
for the extra point, which was the difference. Young Wayku
ended up making the forty eight yard extra point. But
if he doesn't, then we're all tied up and probably
headed to overtime in that scenario, because.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
What is the rule there? What is the rule on
on NFL celebrations, because he did the like it looked
like firing a gun off into the air.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, machine gun celebrations are not allowed and a violation.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Okay, yep, I listen, I have no problem if that's
If that's a rule and they know it, that's fine.
Like at that point I was, I remember watching it
and I was again, I was pouring myself a drink
and I was on the phone, and I was just like, wait,
why was that a penalty? And I saw what he did.
I didn't know that machine gun? What else i'd you know?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You get?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You get two hip thrusts not three?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Or is that rule generations aren't allowed? Throat slash we
all know is not allowed.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Throat slash. I knew of yeah, yeah, purt slash.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I knew if just a few of the things not allowed.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
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Brian Bilica joins us on The Doug Gottlieb Show. Of course,
you won the Super Bowl as head coach of the
balt More Ravens, and he's been analyzing football and been
around football for his entire adult life, and he's kind
enough to join us on behalf of X Tech Shoulder
Pads and coach I do I do want to start
with with shoulder pads. You know, we've had people talk
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about helmets, shoulder pads, increased safety. You like everybody, we
saw what happened with Tua. What do you think the
likely it is he returns to be quarterback this year
for the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well, that's that's a tough one because you're talking about
really an injury, any other injury, you know, the proverbial
high angles frame. You go through a progression of healing up.
When does he be able to get mobility, do the
doctor sign off of it? And then and then you
have a realistic expectation that it will continue to heal
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barring another hit to it during the course of the season.
Concussion is a totally different breed. This is one that
and it's hard because this has got to be a
very much an individual decision by to You can't the coaches,
the doctors, all the other stuff because of the long
term ramifications. At some point, you know, his head's going
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to clear out, he's going to feel fine, and he's
going to feel like he can play, but the legitimate
question about the long term effects, and he doesn't have
that perspective of knowing thirty forty years down the line
what kind of effect this is going to have. So
this this is an extremely tough one. But I imagine
over the four weeks it will rectify itself in terms
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of actually the symptoms, and he's just going to have
to have the hard, face to face conversation in the mirror.
Do I want to continue to take this risk because
of the unique nature of the injury. My guess is
that he will. He's a young man, he's ambitious, he
wants to continue to play. He'll feel better, But this
is a tough call.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
It definitely is a tough call. What were your thoughts
on how the Eagles handled having a lead last night?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
You know what, the Eagles are an interesting animal right now.
Let's go back to last year. I mean, there's just
something not right about the Eagles right now. And it's
an extension from last year. You go back to what
were they nine and one? Ten and one? I mean,
they looked unbeatable, they looked like a complete team. They
actually and then the next game, I think it was
against the forty nine ers. They actually took a lead,
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a six nothing lead, and then had absolutely fallen apart.
Since that, the Niners went on and scored, I think,
verged on every possession. After that, they went on and
won only one of the remaining four or five six games.
And now they've got the talent, they have a confidence
about them, but they just don't seem to be able
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to finish anything. They just don't seem to have any
confidence about what they're doing. This is a strange, strange circumstance.
I don't know that it's going to get any better.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I'm fascinated by the Ravens. I don't know how you
lose that game, especially having a lead at home. Offensive
line is not great. It feels like the Derrick Henry.
I don't know if that mix, if it's they haven't
played together enough, but you know, between the offensive line,
Lamar having to run it more, Derrick Henry's not a
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pass catcher out of the backfield just to power back,
and a guy that needs, you know, twenty five thirty
carries to get it going. They're just they're missing on
some stuff early. How fixable are the Ravens problems?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I think you identifying the offensive line is maybe at
the core of it. Now, let's keep in mind now
they're they're a toe touch and another catch from being
two to zero. Same team doing the same thing, became
that close to both games. It was shocking at home
to see the Raiders come back late thirteen points against
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that defense, which is still a really solid defense. And
what's going to be very interesting is the next three games.
I mean, and they're right now, they're a good team.
There's no reason to think that they're not continuing to
be a great, you know, good playoff team. But they're
oh and two and they're now hearing all this stuff,
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all the rhetoric and noise around them. They've never gone
to the playoffs after starting oh and two. Uh, they've
got an eleven percent chance oh and two teams do
going to the playoffs. Now, this team will kind of
shut that out, but all that noise is going to
continue to go on. And they have a stretch here.
They go on the road to Dallas, a desperate Dallas team,
so both these teams are desperate to win. And then
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they come home against a very good Bills team and
then have to go on the road to Cincinnati. So
this is this is a unique territory. This is a
very good playoff capable Ravens team that could be legitimately
oh to five. And that's a that's a scary proposition.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Dallas Cowboys, the Saints come in and just mollywant them,
molly want them. Was that more about the Saints or
about the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Let's start with the Saints. That that that was impressive,
and let's go back. Let's look at the Saints over
the last two games. And I know the first game
we against Carolina, but it was a divisional game, so
those those carry a little bit more pressure and weight
with them. What they then offensively is stunning. I mean
they what scored on their first six drives, each over
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seventy yards except the last one which is on a
short or the last one of the half, which is
on short field because of the turnover. Between the last
two games, They've scored on every single possession in the
in the first two halves of their games. Derek Carr
looks spectacular. They're running the ball. Avan Kamara is is,
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you know, just maybe the best back that's complete back,
and with the Kubiak offense, he is one of those
rare guys, and it is rare guys that truly have
a sixth sense about how to run that zone scheme
and that has always been so successful, going back to
the Shanahan years Kubiak and all the success he has.
So this offense of New Orleans is absolutely the real
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deal and it's fun to watch. Having said that, Dallas
have home getting just you know, they had absolutely no
answer uh and that and that's hard to face that,
Mike Zimmer and that and Mike McCarthy's got to look
at that. I mean, they gave up one hundred and
ninety yards rushing to the New Orleans Saints. They gave
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up five big plays in the passing game, and forget
offensively the fact that they couldn't run the ball and
the turn two turnovers by Dak because that offense will
come back and be okay. But the defense boy Ne
Orleans as good as No Orleans is playing that Dallas defense,
and now they're going to face the Ravens team that
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that that one two punch of Derrick Henry uh uh
and and Lamar Jackson pulling out and getting too the
outside totally different challenge in the stopping this run. But still,
this is this, this is this is a must win
for both teams.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Bryce Young. It may not be good enough, you may
not be big enough, you may not have the armstring,
But what happened sunday wasn't about that. Like he he
can't complete basic throws, like he's he's kind of a
mess right now. And I would say, again, this is
outsider but also kind of coach to coach. It looks
like a guy who's lost his confidence. Is there a
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way to fix that in season?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Well, it's tough. It's yeah, win and go out and
play well. But the things that tended to it and
the reason he's not looking good are those going to change?
And then more importantly, now you look what does the
team think? What do they see? And do you stay
with this where now the team's questioning. You know, you
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want to be supportive and hey, we're going to help
you through this and this tough time, but but you
also you got to win and so typically does it
turn around. No, But that's a tough that's a tough
call when you make those kind of changes.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I'm with you, it's just it's a really hard one.
And then and then you factor in he might not.
Even if he has his confidence back, which is a
long rebuilding process, he still might not be there. You know,
your last year in Minnesota when you went to the
NFC Championship game, he guys had the best best offense
the world ever seen. Right, it was Randal Cunningham like
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reinvigorating Randall Cunningham, And I'm just wondering, I understand it's
a different era or whatever we're watching Sam Darnold similarly
with the Vikings. He's had opportunities with the Jets, with
the Panthers, as a backup with the Niners, and now
it does feel like, again we're talking small sample size,
only two games, but kind of hitting his stride. What's
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that like to be a part of a guy who
has the talent and has had people believe in him
and then later in his career kind of starts to
figure it out when put again, like your Vikings team
with some super talented skill position players, Yeah, it is exciting.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I'd equated more to maybe Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Taken in my in Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Expectations goes obviously to Tennessee and things just kind of
click for him and Sam Donald did look very comfortable
against a good Remember the forty nine defense in particular
in the forty nine team is pretty darn good. And
and the fact that brought pretty on the other side
was looking pretty good and was moving the ball, notwithstanding
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in one interception. They had a number of big plays.
But Sam Donald he looked that's the main thing. He
looked comfortable, and they had the running game going, and
he spread the ball around and he had his share
of the big plays down the field. So yeah, this
could this could be fun. And it's always great to
see when someone is able to re establish themselves. I mean,
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they were seven of twelve on third down. That tells
you how comfortable he was in doing what he was doing.
And so yeah, anytime you can see someone remake themselves,
get an opportunity to show that he is capable. Now,
can you sustain it? You know, obviously Minnesota bit of
surprise that they're doing what they're doing right now, but
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playing very very well. So yeah, that's the that's the
key for Sam Donald. Now can you sustain this over
the entire season? But they they he's got to be
energized by it. Coach O'Connell's got to be energized by it.
The team's got to be energized by it. I know
the fans are. I live in Minnesota during the summer.
I just returned to Columbus this week, and the fans,
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you know, obviously, when the injury to their draft choice
went down, Oh boy, what now they're excited about it
because they thought they were going to be a pretty
good team and they see that, hey, maybe Sam Donald
can be. So everybody's going to be energized by this,
and it's going to be fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Awesome stuff. Coach, I really appreciate x X shoulder patch.
A lot of kids have already started football, but why
should they go out and get the X tech pads.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Absolutely, this is the next level of protection for our kids.
All the pros are using it. All you have to
do is go to x techpads dot com. Parents, go
and look at the pads versus what your kids are
wearing right now. It's a slam doug one hundred percent
American made, can get to you and made and delivered
in a business day. All you have to is touch it,
feel it, look at the pads. It's a superior pads.
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That's why the pros are in it.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
You're the best coach. Thanks so much for joining us.
Really appreciate it.
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little break for a second from NFL talk from the Eagles,
which I'm just I don't. I don't like the Eagles.
I don't like anything about them.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I respect when they're good in football, but it just
not a it's fun. It's it's enjoyable to watch the
Eagles lose, especially at home, really enjoyable watch the Cowboys
lose as well. So it's a good weekend. Everybody else
had a good weekend if you include the apps. Absolutely
absolutely a hundred euros. Sich is the new asy athletic
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director at Arkansas, and Arkansas obviously Sam Sam Pittman's their
head coach coaching football. I saw a great T shirt.
We almost always were.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
We always almost we almost always almost always always almost win.
Oh yeah, we almost we always almost always No hold on,
let's let's start it again. We Arkansas football, we always
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almost win something like that anyway. And then of course
in basketball they hired John cal Perry and I think
the guy's name is John Tyson, the guy from Tyson Foods.
That's Tyson Chicken, right, that's right there in Arkansas has
donated huge money. And previous when they had Eric musselm in,
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the story was that while other people would donate money
to nil uh, the Tyson Foods guy would only donate
to the school, not to NIL. And those are two
separate things because so many in industry don't want, they
don't believe in donating strictly straight to the kids. They
just don't. Here's one of your issues. The ad at
Arkansas talking about ANIL.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
It has been terrible, been it's been awful INIL the
way it was intended, the way it was intended July
first of twenty twenty one, that if a student athlete
had a value to their name, image, or likeness, and
there was a business product or service like one of
these many businesses up here that wanted to use a
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student athlete to market their business product or service, well
they could receive compensation, valid compensation to do that.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
And that's how this all started.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
And our student athletes in their first year did an
incredible job going out and knocking on doors and beating
the bushes, and they generated almost two and a half
million dollars in what I will call was legitimate INIL
agreements that they went out and got on their own.
But in college athletics, we are our own worst enemy,
and we find the loophole to every single rule in
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the rule book. And we found a loophole where we
created these things called collectives and electives or donors pulling
their resources together to pay student athletes collectives under the
auspice of doing work, charitable work, whether that was tweeting
about a charitable organization or signing autographs or making public appearances.
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But the amounts of money that we're getting paid. We're
simply ridiculous and still are ridiculous, and they just continue
to be ridiculous. And because when businesses are making decisions,
you make good business decisions.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Right, If you're going.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
To hire a student athlete to market your business, you're
going to pay them market value. Well, collectives aren't paying
market value, they're just buying teams, and so that figure
has grown to just a ridiculous number. And athletic directors
are charged many times with going out and raising those
dollars through various means.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
And now we've.
Speaker 8 (30:51):
Finally gotten their footing at the University of Arkansas in
the NIL world, but we're not where we need to be.
I will tell you the upper Echellent the SEC in
football is probably spending double of what we're spending on
our football program right now in the NIL space.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
That's reality.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
So, I mean, you can blame that on Sam Pittman,
but it's not Sam Pittman's problem. It's his problem, but
it's a money problem, right because if someone's spinding double
of what we're spending, they're going to have a corner
on the market.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. There is
a lot to it. But what he's saying is exactly right.
And oh yeah, by the way, if you followed me
for a long time, I have been an opponent of NIL.
Not because I don't think a guy should be able
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to represent all loot meats or festival foods or or
the Legacy hotel in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Not because of that,
but because everyone who saw this happening knew it would
be pay for play. And you're you're dishonest with yourself.
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You're definitely dishonest with the rest of us, dishonest with
the rest of us if if you think otherwise, and
they're just isn't a reward for doing it quote unquote
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the right and traditional way, you know, And it's just
there's so many things that fans don't realize. And this
was a push for a long time for you know,
and people said nil and the NCAA was d'arconian or whatever,
but this is what they were protecting against. Everybody knew it.
Everybody knew it. It's not great, it's really not not
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at all because there is zero I rowe value in
the actual education which should be provided. Now some of
that is like we've gotten to the point where kids
won't even take step foot on campus. You know. Look,
it hasn't made it to where it's funny.
Speaker 7 (33:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
The NCAA, their argument before Congress was or before the
judges has been that it would destroy equal opportunity to
be successful. And the truth is there was no real
equal opportunity. The best who are most funded have always
been the best. I think what's changed is that you
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can win anywhere if you have a lot of money.
If you have a lot of money, the problem is
that the parody has will start to and continue to
disappear because two conferences have so much more money than
everybody else, so much more money than everywhere else. And again,
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I continue to believe that the way to fix it
is that you have to sit out when you transfer,
and you cannot get a check until you've actually played
a season or played you know, four games, whatever, established
some value for yourself at your current school. That's my belief,
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because you don't really have name, image and likeness as pressure.
Maybe Arch Maanning, but again he can use his own
you know, private industry or whatever, but the collective, the
idea of you like Archpanning, and that's because of he's
the Manning family. That's where you get into a real
kind of gray area. Way can arch banding not make
money because even though he didn't play, he was still
crazy popular.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Sure. What's interesting is players have to pay taxes on
their ni OL money. And if you ask most coaches, actually,
I'm guessing if you ask all coaches and you say,
do you think any of your guys have paid attention
to the idea they're gonna have to pay taxes on
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their money? Or do they have any of the money
that they have yet? Are there great stories of people
buying books, buying charitable stuff, buying stuff for other teammates,
although most of the stuff for the other teammates come
from the actual sponsor itself, not from the player. Yes,
there absolutely are, But I would also tell you that
there's probably in the sixty to seventy percent variety that
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money that you give them that they don't quote unquote need,
because you still get room and board, you still get
cost of attendance, you still get what's called Alston money.
And some players that come from tough backgrounds to get
pell grant, you know, part of FAFSA as well. So
you'll have guys that regardless of nil. You know, they're
pocketing in the five grand or so a month, maybe
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a little bit less than that because the pell is
sixty six hundred, the Ulster money is like seven thousand,
but it's basically thirty five hundred a semester, like kind
of do the math. But you get cost of attendance
plus your room and board check, and you're staying at
usually the nicest place either on campus or in town.
So in addition to all that, you're getting your nil money.
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You don't necessarily need it as a freshman, and if
you're not playing, you have no name, image and likeness
value in my opinion, Buyer, you're an Ohio State fan.
Everyone knows they've gone out and spent and spent and spent.
Is there any like this kind of feels icky?
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Yeah, the whole thing does I you know, like, as
the you know, the clip was talking about, my naive
mind thought, hey, this will be good for an offensive
lineman to go to the local car dealership and sign
some autographs on a Sunday afternoon and get a little
extra change in his pocket or something like that was
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me being just completely naive to the whole deal. And yeah,
it's not it's not great. And even today the state
of Georgia, you know, allowing their athletes to be paid directly,
as their governor signed this order which could put now
Georgia at an advantage over other schools. And if you're
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Georgia or Georgia Tech or your other schools in the
SEC or ACC or SEC, you're now at a disadvantage.
And this is all stuff that had never even my
wildest dreams would have would.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Have fat So tell me what the what the Georgia
rule is?
Speaker 4 (37:41):
So this is so schools in Georgia have now legal
cover to immediately begin paying their athletes directly. This is
according to an executive order signed by Governor Brian Kemp
that prohibits the NCAA or Athletic Conferences from punishing any
university or college in Georgia for offering compensation or compensating
a student athlete for the use such as the student
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athletes Nil.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
So what was going to happen next year? They just
sped up the process. Yeah, yeah, because for people don't
know next year, I don't know if it's been made official,
but pretty much everybody knows they're going to all this
is going to come out to the of that department.
The one thing is, and I've talked to a lot
of people previous to getting this job, and now that
I have this job, the idea of hiring athletes as
employees will not work if you hear people saying that
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they don't understand how it all works, because remember that
puts you in the exact same pool as the associate
athletic director, the assistant soccer coach, all this other stuff.
And there are again every state constitution is just is
it a lot? And in order to make hires you
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have to go through an entire hiring process. You can
make emergency hires, but you can't make emergency hires for
eighty five scholarship players or whatever. They go one hundred
scholarship player to go to next year in football, you know,
and you know again part of for example, University of Wisconsin,
say Wisconsin, I have one assistant coach that I'm going
to hire shortly. I've already hired my staff. I have
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room for one more. I have to have a committee approved,
thorough background case. They have to have multiple interviews like that.
Just the process is a lot. So in addition to that,
then you have you know, benefits packages, then you have
all different sorts of HR things. It's just it won't work.
It will not work. It will not work. And it
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also eliminates the tax shelter that athletics benefits under because
now you're basically putting people in the gen pop and
you're paying a decorated music teacher less than you're paying
an offensive lineman. That won't work. None of that stuff
works anyway.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
I'm sorry, go ahead, you know the thing that I
was going to say, And I think that your explanation
of this is really good compared to what I'm about
to say, because I think in your sport, just on
the surface, I think NIL has been good for college basketball,
where it's allowed guys to stay in school and not
leave and feel like they needed to get a paycheck,
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and it has allowed the sport to maybe have more
recognizable names in the past. I don't think you're going
to get that in football in Ohio State was in
a unique situation just because you brought them up earlier,
where you have the Michigan thing, but now you also
have the now twenty million dollar NIL price tag where
a lot of guys ended up. Yeah, I'll return to school.
I'll do that. You know, there's unfinished business. But if
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you weren't getting any of that nil money, that business
probably would have been unfinished and they would have went
into the NFL and got their signing bonus and did
what they needed to do. But it has allowed, at
least in that program guys to stay back. But I
think college basketball on the surface has benefited for US
fans in that way. But compared to what you just said,
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it just seems like an app headache. In real world situations.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
It is, and it is like, look, the biggest issue
is this, Let's just be honest. The biggest issue is
your pool of donors and obviously it changes based upon
your school in the size. And we just had this
conversation with my I went to the when I went
to the Packer Games with my athi director Josh Buron,
It's like, you can't keep asking the same people for money.
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You know, I have I have a list of guys.
They're just really good people. They really want to help,
and I'm very cautious of who to ask for what
right now. Like I'm my general way of doing things
was we had a little pool of money I want
to save as much as I could, because I like
the players I have and my goal. I think you
build a winning program, especially at this or maybe even
(41:49):
at any level, with a high retention rate, high reciptus rate,
bring them, bring them all back. And but you know,
it's like, there's other things we need in the program.
There's more money that is needed. But I can't keep
going to the same people to ask for money. Hey,
you made a donation, then you bought tickets, you know,
(42:10):
then you bought something at you know, an auction at
our golf tournament. Then you had something else you already
gave money, Like now we got to ask you for nil.
Like at some point they're just like, dude, you're just
what I love this school, I love what you're doing.
But I'm just I'm good, I'm out. So I do
think that bringing it in with the school does help
(42:31):
because then you can just make one ask and get
that money and then you got to budget it accordingly.
But it definitely isn't what anybody designed it to do.
And there's a massive disparity between the haves and the
have nots, and it what does it teach me? The
(42:52):
only part I will disagree with you. I agree that
in college basketball, it's helped keep some players around more
Zach Eati's perfect example, Hunter Dickinson back at Kansas. The
switching schools even to get the checks has hurt some
of that name recognition. I think the popularity of women's
basketball goes way way back towards normal this year, and
(43:13):
I think men's basketball takes a jump back up. So
but I think that in college football what it's done.
Look at bo Nicks, look at you know all of
those quarterbacks that had been in college football for an
extra year. You know Washington, Oregon, even you know Oklahoma
(43:33):
State and Utah they have two seventh year quarterbacks going
out this weekend and still Water. I actually think it's
it's going to help that product more and maybe help
those players more. But they're just they're just a ridiculous
amount of money and a disparity between guys. It's not
what college foot sports is about. It's not what an
il supposed to be about. And just throwing money at
(43:55):
a problem or at one player, I don't think that.
I don't think that works long term.
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