September 19, 2024 • 37 mins
In this week's version of "Don't Call It A Throwback, Thursday", Doug and the crew focus on 2009 as the Jets beat up on Tom Brady, Randy Moss and the Patriots. Doug welcomes Kelley Ford from KFordRatings.com to break down the weekend of college football. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a Thursday edition of "The Press".
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Speaker 2 (00:55):
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Speaker 1 (00:55):
We got a great second hour of the show for you.
Kelly Ford is going to join us. That's the Kford
Ratings dot Com and we usually have him on the
pod and instead we're gonna He's gonna get called up
to the live radio show. Kelly has his own predictive
ratings service that uses all sorts of analytics that can
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talk about it in detail to predict who will play
in the College Wall Playoff, as well as how many
games will win, who's the luckiest team, and uh really,
who's good, who's not good, who's over and underperformed so
far this year. That's upcoming in twenty five minutes. In
the meantime, it is Thursday. It is football, but it's
also throwback Thursday. We play a little don't call it
a throwback.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Okay, sou September twentieth, but it's only September nineteenth. Why
did you with September twenty, two thousand and nine on
my calendar? There, Jase too.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I'll take it from here, Doug, thank you. September twentieth,
two thousand and nine. I want each and everybody listening
to the show right now, and all the participating members
of the show to go back to two thousand and nine.
What were you doing in the fall of two thousand
and nine. I'll tell you what the Jets were doing
on September twentieth In two thousand and nine, they held
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the Patriots to three first half field goals. We're talking
about the Patriots with Randy Moss and Tom Brady. The
Jets beat the Patriots sixteen to nine, held the Patriots
under three hundred yards, the most impressive defensive performance of
the Rex Ryan era for the Jets. And if you're
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asking yourself as a listener, what about that game makes
it special to Fox Sports Radio, Well, I'm going to
tell you. On Sunday here on the network, Dan Byer
hosts a show with Kerry Rhoads. Guess who was a
defensive player on the field that night for the New
York Jets. Kerry Rhodes. If Dan, if he was potted up,
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he would have heard them, so take care, I would.
Sam just gave you one of these. I know you
can't see it on radio, but hands out to the side. Yeah,
shoulder shrug emoji. If you go back to the fall
of two thousand and nine, Doug, and you think about
how dominant the Patriots were two years from their undefeated season,
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but the Jets, has Doug pointed out in the first segment,
they were the pesky dog barking. They were the loud
dog barking at the feet of the of the Big
Dynasty Patriots. Great year two thousand and nine. What do
you guys remember most from that year?
Speaker 5 (03:57):
I got I've got a couple of things outside of
the National Football League that I'll get to in a second,
but football wise, it was the lone year that Jim
Morrill was the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, ushering
in the Pete Carroll era that ended up following afterwards.
Not that everything was thought to be great and continued
to humm in Seattle like they were with Mike Homgren.
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The Homegrown era kind of puttered out in Seattle, and
Jim Morrow was brought on staff and was going to
be the coach in waiting and he took over and
they went five and eleven and then he got booted.
So it was like this, I don't know, this luwl
between two great tenures of the Seattle Seahawks. So it
was a very blah year for me when it comes
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to fandom, because the Seahawks were just whatever in that
one season under Jim Morrow.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And you remember Jim Moore. Before he got that job,
he was the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons. Right, yes,
And he went on a Seattle radio show with some
of his buddies and he said like, hey, I don't
care if it's a bit of a playoff chase whatever.
If Washington calls me, Seattle calls me, that's home. I'm
coming home. Right.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Really that did? Yes, I think we remember that. Yeah, yes,
of course that was.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It was just just one of those all timers, like what, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
That was the year that the Saints beat the crap
out of everybody. And then there wasn't that bounty gait?
Was that Brett Farre's year in the Vikings when he
almost got killed in the NFC title game? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, and that's where they had Remember, they had the
the footage of the they had the footage of not
to walk through the meeting the night before where they
were giving the money signs. You know, if you take
them out.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Yes, they both both those teams, like the Saints. Did
the Saints start out like like thirteen and oh or
something like that that year and then they Yeah, that
year they they were eight and oh and then they
started out thirteen and oh and then lost their last
three regular season games and then ended up going to
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the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Thirteen and oh.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Peyton Mannon won the MVP, led US Colts to the
Super Bowl to lose.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I got what the World Series that year? Oh?
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Nine Yankees? Right, yes, that's their last one.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
That was a rod one.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Yeah, I think so if we're so, you know, I'm
a Packers fan. And two thousand and nine was an
interesting year because it was really like the first year
Aaron Rodgers got it going in Green Bay. They finished
within an eleven and five record, and they lost to
the Arizona Cardinals in the playoffs in one of the
wildest back and forth playoff games I've ever seen, fifty
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one to forty five. It was one most exciting. I mean,
fifty one to forty five. That's like a Texas Tech
versus you know, I don't even know a Boise State
score or something. I don't know, So that was exciting.
It fell a lot of optimism with Aaron Rodgers there
the Packers. And was Kurt Warner the quarter of back
of that Cardinals team? I want to say yes, yeah,
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I would have been. The following year yeah, after the
Super Bowl, right yep?
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (07:19):
And then for me and my fandom with College Iowa
in two thousand and nine started out the year nine
to oh. One of those wins on September what was it,
What was the date, September twentieth, Sprember nineteenth. That was
a Saturday. They were playing the Arizona Wildcats, a very
exciting non conference game. The quarterback for the Arizona Wildcats
was Nick Foles, and they had an injured tight end
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tight end named Rob Gronkowski who he didn't play, so
ye had Nick Foles and then Gronk was on the
roster for those Wildcats exciting game. I was there as
twenty seven to seventeen win for Iowa and they again
they started nine to Ozho got the fourth in the
nation and then West off.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Now is that the year that who won the Heisman Trophy?
I'm asking because I think it was mark Ingram. It was,
but it should have been in Dominican Sue right and
Dominican Sue. I think that's the year Nebraska last got
to a Big twelve title game. They played Texas and
if you remember that game, he thoroughly dominated the game
and he was being doubled in triple team the entire game,
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and it reminded me of who's seen Fast Times Ridgemont High,
Jay stew I know that you.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Right, I have, actually you haves.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
What was what was the star football player who they
crashed his car and then spray painted on it and
then he just like took out the whole team because
of the other team, because of it that Charles Jefferson
And Charles Jefferson was played by uh Forest, Yes.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
I thought they just flew him in for home games.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Uh yeah, that's and he and Dominican Sue's game film
looked like Forrest Whittaker. What was his name? Was the
character's name, Charles Jefferson Charles Jefferson's character in past Richemont High.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
I know you got my Earth Wind and Fire tickets.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's pretty good, right, We're making Fast Times Ridgemont High.
It's really interesting though, if you think about it. Everybody
makes Caddyshack references. Caddyshack way older. I don't a way older,
but older. Why don't people make more fast Times Richemont
High references? Or are you people ton?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Do I think sports nuts are more Caddyshack fast Times?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
This means there's like a there's there's there's marginally less
sports in Fast Times Ridgemont High there's not a ton
of a ton a ton of golf in Caddyshack, obviously
the culmination, the final scenes and the gopher or whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
But anyway, now that you bring up movie watchers, Doug,
I think the listeners are thinking, what were we watching
on TV in the fall of two thousand and nine?
And I've got that answer.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Two TV shows that made him a huge mark, a
huge mark. Modern Family debuted September two thousand and nine,
would go on to be an iconic show. And then
Jersey Shore. Jersey Shore debuted in December of that year,
again a show that really made its mark. What is it, Sam?
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The situation? Oh Jersey Shore?
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Wait?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
What?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yes, Mike never saw never saw an episode?
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Oh I did? I saw one and two.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
I think I haven't tried to watch some of the
recent ones I had.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
We had twins that year two thousand and nine. I
don't remember anything.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
What was it GTL Yeah, Jim Tann and laundry. Yeah,
Jim Tann and laundry. You got to do that every day? Yeah,
that's how productive these citizens were. They Jim Tann and laundry.
That's what they would do. Oh, you know what happened?
That year iconic moment. Yet again, Kanye West did not
like that Taylor Swift won the Oh.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
That was when he interrupt interrupted her at one of
the award show.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
It sounded like this, No, Tayla, I'm really happy for you.
I'm gonna let you finish.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
But Beyonce had one of her best videos of all time,
one of their best.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Videos all time, would be an indicator of things to
come for Kanye.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Just kind of being out there a little bit.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Also a good rule of like rushing the stage never
turns out well. Will Smith? Who is the who is
the the artist that joined Jay Z and Alicia Keys
when they were doing you know Why am I blanking?
Speaker 6 (11:35):
You know the New York song? Uh yeah, Empire state
of Mind?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Remember, And she came on stage and she was like,
it never works out well ever at an award show.
You being on stage when you shouldn't be on stage
never turns out well.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I'm trying to think of who that was, do you
know what?
Speaker 5 (11:54):
You know who I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I can't remember who they was. I I have, by
the way, so Ali show Fox Sports tray. This is
I don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Yeah, No, that's okay.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
So two thousand and nine in the Gulf World is
one that stands out to me.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
That wasn't Tiger Wood's got in the car crash, was there?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
It was yeah, in that in that that fall. But
also what happened that August is something that we had
never seen before. Tiger Woods had to lead to major
and didn't win the tournament. Entering the final round, Hyi
Yang comes back and beats him at Hazeltine and it
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was like, whoa wait a second. Little did we know
how much things would change after that. But you remember
Tiger Woods, this was after you know, playing on the
a year after playing on the torn acl and the
broken leg and the whole thing at Torrey Pines. Came
back that next year and had an opportunity to win
another major, and hy E Yang came from behind and
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upset Tiger Woods at the Championship. But not the biggest
moment of two thousand and nine in golf, because that
was when Tom Watson had a chance to win the
Open Championship at Turnberry with a par on the eighteenth hole,
and instead his second shot went long, chose to putt
it back on the green and then as attempted par
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putt that would have won him the championship to become
the oldest major champion winner by far, in a record
that would have I think stood the test of time.
He ends up missing his par putt, didn't put a
good effort on it at all, and Stuart Sink ended
up winning the Open Championship that year. Not to mention
that my guy Kenny Perry had a two stroke lead
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after sixteen or seventy holes of the Masters, two shot
lead after sixteen on Sunday, went bogie bogie, and then
lost in a playoff that was eventually won by Anel Cabrera.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Oh geez, I'm looking at Dan Byro right now, I've
got a vantage point. There's no notes in front of him.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Now.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
That was all off the top, yes, folks.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
In two thousand and nine, our buddy Hunter Mayhan was
in the thick of it at the US Open, which
was crazy.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Was at Bethpage.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Of course, it rained like all weekend long, so they
had to finish on Monday. Lucas Glover ended up winning.
Phil was in contention, you know a little bit there.
But it was just a crazy, crazy year for golf's
majors when you had all these storylines, but your winners
were on Hell Cabrera, Lucas Glover, Stuart Sink in y
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E Yang. Not necessarily a who's who, although all respectable players.
Don't get me wrong, Lucas Glover solid, solid player, Stuart
Sinc really one of the good ones out there. But
what could have been in those good out a Watson
and Woods to wrap up the season?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
You know what, Stuart Sink was probably listening to in
his earbuds, iPod iPod buds, probably listening to some Lady
Gaga who entered the scene in two thousand and nine.
Poker Face and Just Dance charted all year round. The
music world has never been the same since Lady Gaga hit.
So I do enjoy Lady Gaga quite a bit.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Yeah. I think she's super talented. Yeah I do.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Even before the whole Shallow movie actress like just her
songs were good, I thought she is.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
She's remarkably talented, Yes, remarkably talented.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
She's in the musical Joker, she plays opposite Walk in
Phoenix and the Musical Joker too.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
I think she could be Egot material at some point,
you think, do you don't think she's got the acting
chop Stan or you just said for one movie, what
you got Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony winning them all.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
It's like it's like the triple crown of triple Crown. No,
I did not say that at all.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
What I was saying was I think that she then
became very very I don't want to say mainstream, but
when you have the movie and do the movie thing
like you're even but she was a huge, huge musical
star obviously even prior to that. But the movie I
think also then put her on another level because we're like, Wow,
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she can act and she's writing these songs, and it's
like it's almost overload. You're like, oh my gosh, she's
a renaissance woman.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
She is anything else.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Two thousand and nine, Oh what a year.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
My daughters were born.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
A little bit of a recession we're in right.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well, that's when it started. Yeah, it started, it was
it was It wasn't a little bit of recesion on
I know, the worst housing crisis in the history nights dates.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Didn't it start though?
Speaker 7 (16:36):
In two thousand and eight really got under way, okay,
and then it was being bad.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
In nine nine, it was really bad.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
We'll bump off to kind of a rough start to
his presidency, but yeah, did win second term.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
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Speaker 1 (17:02):
Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Uh colet as I've
ever been in a football games Jets Pats, and I
think it was uh, I think it was two thousand
and you know I'm ass buyer because he's an Encyclopedia buyer,
Jets Pats. I think it was Monday night football in Foxborough,
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and I think that I want to say the Jets won.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
I I'm trying a blank. I wish I could help.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Oh I'd love to step up to the plate on this,
but I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, yeah, I think it was. That's what I think. Anyway,
just I went, we went to the game. I lived
in a town called Canton, Connecticut. A bunch of guys like, hey,
we all got tickets, let's go. I think I had
got the day off, which is weird day after in
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football season, and it was about I want to say,
two fifteen to Foxborough. And if you've ever been a Foxborough.
It's one way in, one way out, So you got
to make the decision, like if you're gonna go, you
gotta go super super early, or you gotta go righte
at game time, because if you go anywhere in the
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hour and a half before, it's just you get off
the highway and it's I don't know, I want to say,
like five miles to get to the stadium, and it's
just one road in, one road out. It's bad. We
got there super early and we set up like a
like a little fire pit, and I was frozen, and
I don't enjoy. I'm not gonna say I don't enjoy.
I don't prefer to sit in the box. Get sit
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in I've sat in plenty of luxury suites at Oklahoma
State games. It was I've been offered obviously, Packers games.
I've been one at SOFI and a couple others. You
aren't humble bracts. It's just kind of nature of who
you know. I can't afford to buy those things. But
that was the one time where those guys all went
to their seats and I one of the head of
marketing for the Pats, something I'm friendly with and he
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got me a ticket and I sat it there and
I was so thankful and I never forget. We got
to the car and they were just completely frozen. They
were completely drunk because I was their only way to
stay unfrozen mentally, and I was like, I'm never sitting
outside when it's that cold. Fast forward to now, and
you guys know Hayes he wants to go to He's like,
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I want my first Packer game. Mainland's cold. Well, you
might be going by yourself. December twenty third versus the Saints.
That's that's the current target. Kurt dark TuS of college
Football in the second first, So let's get to Dan Byer.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Get an update, Dan, Doug, I just looked it up.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
You're talking to a guy who was at the third
coldest game ever at lambeau Field December twenty sixth, nineteen
ninety three. Packers beat the Raiders twenty eight to nothing,
also known as the birth of the lambeau Leap that
had happened that day.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox Sports Radio. His name
is Kelly Ford. He's got the ca Ford k Ford
Ratings go to Kford Ratings dot Com or we can
fall them on social media as well, and every week
he puts out new ratings for college football plus a
new college football playoff. He's like, wait there, we're just
a couple weeks in. It's predictive analysis, right, predictive. It's
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all kinds of math and stuff that we were told
we wouldn't have to use anymore. Don't tell me you're
actually using algebra, Kelly, Are you the guy that uses algebra?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Doug Worthy us an algebra. We're using all sorts of
different math. We're trying to to still it down to
something that many people can understand and put it in
a pretty graphic to make it easily digestible. But math
can tell us a lot of things, even about college football,
and it's such an unpredictable sport.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Okay, your math, your predictive analysis, has who in the
college football playoff after this first month?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, so after the first month, projecting forward, how we
expect the rest of the season to go? Right now,
I've got the top four seed the buy the AQS
as Alabama has taken over the top from Georgia in
Texas in recent weeks, Alabama number one, Ohio State have
the Big ten Miami out of the ACC and now
Kansas State has supplanted Utah just knew this week. Those
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are my top four. The at larges are all coming
from the SEC and from the Big ten. I've got Ole,
Miss Georgia, Texas, Oregon, Tennessee, Penn State, and USC and
then lastly the number twelve seed the group of five
AQ is Memphis. For me, that's new this week. It
had been Boise State up until this point.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Okay, what's the biggest change in your rankings to somebody
who hasn't been paying attention.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, the biggest change I would say is that Alabama
is now the number one power rated team. That has
been Georgia up to this point, but Alabama, the way
they looked through three games, has taken over that top spot.
You know, if anyone hasn't been paying attention to the preseason,
it's probably no surprise. Florida State has been the biggest
tumbler out of the preseason, you know, number twelve to
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start the year. They are now in the thirties. For me,
it would be even lower if we removed all preseason
weights at this point. So that's a team that's really fallen.
If you want to look for a riser out of
the middle of the pack. I'll go with UCF, a
team out of the Big twelve that right now just
misses out on the playoff picture. They've been a big
surprise with their performances so far out of the Big twelve.
The Big Twelve is such an exciting conference, whether it's UCF,
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Kansas State, Utah, Oklahoma State, a lot of teams that
are buying for what's likely going to be just one
spot out of that conference into the CFP.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Okay, the line has changed dramatically with Utah and Oklahoma State.
Most people think that rising is not playing. Why did
you change? Well, take Utah out of out of your
college twelvelayoff.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So right now Utah has come out of the CFP
and has been replaced by Kansas State because the Wildcats
have improved in recent weeks in their power rating and
Utah has fallen ever so slightly. So I now have
Kansas State as a slightly better power rated team than
the youth. Certainly is camera is out for any extended
period of time that is going to hurt Utah States.
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We saw two years ago how good this team was
making it to the Rose Bowl with Cam Rising. We
saw last year how they struggled to win some games
without him, so certainly he's a huge difference maker. Kansas
State has a slight edge with regard to the power
rating now, and they also have a slightly easier schedule
in conference play than Utah does based off my numbers,
but those are still the two teams that are the
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favorites to make it to Arlington. UCF is sniffing around
as well.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Okay, where do you have Oklahoma State?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Oklahoma State for me right now is power rated number
twenty in the most Deserving rankings, which looks at what
have you achieved this year relative to expected with regard
to your win loss record, They're number twenty one. And
then if I go to my projected Big twelve standing,
they are right now number four, but just about a
game behind second place Kansas State. So Oklahoma State is
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certainly in that mix of teams that I expect to
be in that race for Arlington. I've got a two
percent chance to go nine to zero conference play and
play for that spot in Arlington. If we look at
their season holistically, I think ten wins is what they
need to get to on the regular season to have
a chance to be in that a large conversation. I've
got a thirty five percent chance that the Pops get
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to that double digit threshold that I think is required.
Give them their schedule all right.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Down the road from Stillwaters, Norman, Oklahoma's about an hour
and fifteen hour and twenty minutes. And Oklahoma officially joins
the SEC on the football field this weekend as they
welcome in the balls of Tennessee. And this is a
Tennessee team that, look, I know that Kent State doesn't
make anybody shake in their boots. They got Penn State
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this week. Kent State, I beat seventy one nothing Chattanoogas
sixty nine three, but they beat NC State fifty one
to ten. Now you get Oklahoma. Tennessee's a seven point
favorite on the road against you. Now, ou struggled in
their last two, most nobly against Houston. What's your predictive
analysis say of this game?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, it's a really intriguing game. It's my number one
game of the week by watchability. It's got a score
of nine point eight out of ten. So really looking
forward to this one. Like you said, it's a huge opener,
SEC opener for the Sooners. My numbers do like Tennessee
on the road with about a sixty six percent winning sectency.
So how I like to say that if they played
this game three times, I would expect Tennessee to win twice.
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Of course, they're only going to play at once and
that's what makes this sport so special. So we will
see how it gets played out. But my numbers do
like Tennessee on both sides of the ball here, in
particular the Tennessee defense that right now I have as
the number nine best defense in the country. This Oklahoma
offense is number forty four for me right now. That
is the worst Oklahoma offense we've seen in some times,
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going back to you know, previous to the Lincoln Riley era.
Even so, I think the advantage might be had by
that Tennessee defense. Can they force some turnovers? Can they
score a touchdown? On that side of the ball. It's
not going to be an easy environment for the balls.
But my numbers do like Tennessee. They're the number five
the power rated team right now for me in the country.
Oklahoma a solid number fourteen, but in the SEC that's
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about the middle.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Of the pack. Michigan just Govy by Texas. Now USC
comes calling SC's two and zero. I was that big
win over LSU, and then you beat Utah State and
then you have a week off. What's your predictive analysis
of the game of the Big House.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So this one's a little bit closer than Tennessee and Oklahoma.
I've got a fifty seven percent win expectancy for the Trojans,
and this really is just about as even of a
matchup as you're going to get between these two teams.
Of course, the home field advantage for Michigan is going
to help them here. I've got USC number eleven and
the power ratings Michigan number twenty two. But it's a
(26:38):
strength versus strength. The USC offense is number five in
the country for me. The Michigan defense is number five
in the country. You'll put around on the other side,
the Michigan offense has struggled this year, their number sixty six.
The USC defense still the weaker of the two units,
but has been much improved from what we've seen in
the last two years under Lincoln Riley, coming in at
number fifty two in the nation. So my numbers lean USC,
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but the fact that it's in ann Arbor certainly gives
Michigan something to be excited about. I do think it's
worth noting Michigan last week was at home against Arkansas State.
Won the game by ten points, not nearly as comfortable
as many thought it would be. USC was off. They
did not play last week, so that is certainly a
scheduling dynamic that's going to favor the Trojans and this
one as they make the trip across country to Ann Arbor.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Kelly Ford college football analyst, founder of Kford Ratings dot Com.
Check him out on social media. Check out his side
as well, and he joins us every week. You can
hear him here. Hear him on the podcast as well. Kelly,
thanks so much for joining us. Great to see you
yesterday and we appreciate joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Thank you. Doug. Always good to see you in person
and a pleasure to hop on anytime, so appreciate it.
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get to the press, the press. What do you get there?
Dan Byron, No, Doug.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Usually we have a full bevy of headlines to get to,
and we've got some headlines that you'll touch on. But
I do want to clean up something that happened about
an hour ago because we weren't really able to get
to it because we were tight against it in game time.
But is Georgia Tech really a program that was in
a national prominent No program?
Speaker 6 (28:43):
No, Iowa, Iowa. I think I was more in. I
love that in the conversation, I.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Was actually been as prominent as they have ever been
outside of getting to a Rose Bowl over the last
ten to fifteen years. That's like they've just been really good,
really solid. So I don't think they need to return
to anything. This is they've been slightly better. Right when
they had Long what was his name, me, Chuck Chunk?
Long was their quarterback. Outside of that, they've always just
(29:11):
been really good.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
That's actually the last year Iowa won an outright Big
Ten title was nineteen eighty five with Chuck Long.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
I can Brad Banks. In two thousand and two one
did Ricky Stansey whin the Orange Bowl. So that was
actually the two thousand and nine season. They went eleven
to two and they beat Georgia Tech and Paul Johnson. Okay,
so that was the Orange that was That was the year.
But there are years where Iowa pops up and I
think that they are a more intriguing story. Yes, so
(29:42):
right now, them kind of middling with their eight wins,
I don't think that they're at the top of college football.
But if they do go on a season or a
tear where they have one loss, they're a part of
the conversation. Colin Coward's calling him the what the fake
idea of college football? All right, So I think that
that Iowa is legit in terms of a return to
(30:06):
national prominence. Georgia Tech even when they won the national championship,
I don't know if people were talking about them thirty
four years ago.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
They're in Atlanta, they play the Bulldogs every year. They
beat Cumberland two hundred and twenty two to zero. Okay,
they've had.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
We're good.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
They've had they shared with Colorado.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
We're good.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
They're the rambling wreck.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
We're good because it's it's okay Sam to say hates
my pick. I'm not and I and I reserve the
right to be wrong.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
It's not wrong. You guys are trying to.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
A nationally prominent brand.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
Ever, they won, they shared a national championship, they tasted
gridness doesn't make them never even sniff that.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
They doesn't make them a national brand at all.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
All the bones are there, the structure is there.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
No, it's truly not. It's a it's a really really
hard academic school. It is okay. It's location is their
only strength. They're in the wrong league. Okay, they don't
have a ton of nil. It's a strong academic school.
It's a nerd school.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Agree to disagree.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
You know what, if you want to say their basketball
team can return to Nashal.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
The basketball team's done less than their football team. No,
that's wrong.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Again, but not real.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Game.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
They just won. Yeah, and they just won the ACC
two years ago. To just say I don't know, it's okay.
Never we don't know everything. I don't know everything. I
just know more than you what's next to Danbyre.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
I would also say, I think West Virginia would have
been a good team to put in there.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
That's what pull. Yeah, well, people forget major Harris. Right,
here's one I would have done. Syracuse, Don McPherson, Don McPherson,
and then of course you got Floyd Little, Marvin, Jim Brown,
Marvin Harrison. Right. I mean, just but Don McPherson. Didn't
they play West Virginia in the Orange Full? Am I misremembering?
Speaker 6 (32:13):
I thought they played in a Fiesta Bowl.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I think you're right because the Orange Bowl was always
the Big Eight champion, right against Miami. Yeah, so I
think you're right.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
There was there was. There were a lot of a
lot of big matchups and whatnot. But Rich Rodriguez with
West Virginia and seven white white Yeah, incredible football to watch.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Absolutely, So I think I just.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Think it's a father of running out of the spread.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I don't want to. I was sam to think that
we are piling on it's nothing new.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Sorry, you could to resuscitate something from an hour ago
that no one remembered.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Conversation.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Here's a fun conversation, Sam, name the coaches between Mike
Shula and uh Nick Saban?
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Between Mike Shula and Nick Saban. Mm hmm, oh there.
Uh didn't Nick Saban take over for Shula?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
M didn't Mike Price take over? Or is it Mike?
Did Mike Schuley take over for Mike Price?
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Dan Byer, Well, Mike Price didn't even coach a game, I.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Know, but it was the off season, right, yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
I I you know, I can't remember the order. I thought.
I thought maybe Sam was right on that.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Actually maybe right, I may be wrong.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
I would it was a Shula and then Joe Kines
was an interim coach looks like. And then at the
end of the six season, then Saban took over.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Yes, remember me to Dennis FRANCIONI left Alabama for a
m M.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Remember that that did happen?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, it did happen. And like Dennis Franconi almost had
it going at al Alabama, right, And then when he
left Alabama, they wanted to hire Rich Rodriguez, who turned
it down because his wife didn't like it. That's the
old story. Then Mike Schula probably would have kept the
job if he had landed Tim Tebow who had an
(34:17):
infatuation with Mike Cchula, but he ultimately chose Florida. Man.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Anyway, Yeah, what could have been?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
What could have been?
Speaker 5 (34:25):
I wasn't trying to pile on. I actually just liked
the conversation. West Virginia popped up into my head. West
Virginia would have been a better Yeah, I thought I
didn't know.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
UCLA was that good in the mid to late eighties.
I remember them having a couple of years of Troy
That's it.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
I remember growing up thinking that UCLA was on par
with USC.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
Gary Green It was.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Was It wasn't Gaston Green was green course.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yes, they had a running back named Kreame Abdul Jabbar.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Yes that was That was night.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
By the way, how's there often with Eric b Enemy
running it?
Speaker 6 (35:03):
I haven't. It's a disastern.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Green Bay Packers head coach Matt Lafleores says that Jordan
Love will likely be a game time decision.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
My word's not his.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
He says, they have up until ninety minutes before game
time to the side if Love will play against the
Titans in Week three.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Okay, so here's a question that I have. It's a
legitimate question. Is there any consideration, consideration for the fact
that the quarterback that has that did start last game
was drafted by the Titans, and this can be as
maliqu will as revenge game.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
He commented about that yesterday. Yeah, did you hear those
great comments?
Speaker 5 (35:46):
What say, yeah, this is uh do we have Actually
we don't have it in the system at least I
don't see them.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Said something like, I don't think about that, Bro, Like
he used the bar and the answer and they didn't.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
He's just yeah he did our dude. Maybe he's a dude.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I can relate more to do than I can to Bro.
Although my son says bro, and so then I get
caught up in it. No, we're it's effort.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
No, I don't think we're efforting. I don't think we're
gonna get it. What he oh, he did say, Bro,
He said, I could care less, Bro. But this is
this is the perfect example of hearing it versus reading it.
He gave a really thought out, well thought out answer
that said, I got paid the whole time I was there.
I appreciate them giving me the opportunity to play. Uh,
(36:30):
miss Amy, you know, thank you to everything that you've done.
They brought me into this league. You know, great job
by you know by by the organization. I appreciate them
taking a chance on me. And that's what Malik Willis
had to say. So yes, when they took the high road,
I want to kill them.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I want them.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Yeah, that's this is Yeah, Malik Willis uh said the
right thing. And uh, I don't think we have an
enough time.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Don't worry about yeah any more stories.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
No, that's the press. Get out there and pressed. That
was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I was wrong about uclating, wrong about the Order of Alabama,
but right about Georgia Tech never being nashally prominent. And
I thought my Virginia Tech and Syracuse pull for to
return to national prominence. Sean McPherson, Dom McPherson, whose dad
was the coach.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Remember no, not even close, not related, They're not related, noop.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, Donald Pherson is black as dad was. The coach
is white. That's right, My bad. Another mistake a Doug
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talk about it in detail to predict who will play
in the College Wall Playoff, as well as how many
games will win, who's the luckiest team, and uh really,
who's good, who's not good, who's over and underperformed so
far this year. That's upcoming in twenty five minutes. In
the meantime, it is Thursday. It is football, but it's
also throwback Thursday. We play a little don't call it
a throwback.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Okay, sou September twentieth, but it's only September nineteenth. Why
did you with September twenty, two thousand and nine on
my calendar? There, Jase too.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I'll take it from here, Doug, thank you. September twentieth,
two thousand and nine. I want each and everybody listening
to the show right now, and all the participating members
of the show to go back to two thousand and nine.
What were you doing in the fall of two thousand
and nine. I'll tell you what the Jets were doing
on September twentieth In two thousand and nine, they held
(02:27):
the Patriots to three first half field goals. We're talking
about the Patriots with Randy Moss and Tom Brady. The
Jets beat the Patriots sixteen to nine, held the Patriots
under three hundred yards, the most impressive defensive performance of
the Rex Ryan era for the Jets. And if you're
(02:51):
asking yourself as a listener, what about that game makes
it special to Fox Sports Radio, Well, I'm going to
tell you. On Sunday here on the network, Dan Byer
hosts a show with Kerry Rhoads. Guess who was a
defensive player on the field that night for the New
York Jets. Kerry Rhodes. If Dan, if he was potted up,
(03:14):
he would have heard them, so take care, I would.
Sam just gave you one of these. I know you
can't see it on radio, but hands out to the side. Yeah,
shoulder shrug emoji. If you go back to the fall
of two thousand and nine, Doug, and you think about
how dominant the Patriots were two years from their undefeated season,
(03:37):
but the Jets, has Doug pointed out in the first segment,
they were the pesky dog barking. They were the loud
dog barking at the feet of the of the Big
Dynasty Patriots. Great year two thousand and nine. What do
you guys remember most from that year?
Speaker 5 (03:57):
I got I've got a couple of things outside of
the National Football League that I'll get to in a second,
but football wise, it was the lone year that Jim
Morrill was the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, ushering
in the Pete Carroll era that ended up following afterwards.
Not that everything was thought to be great and continued
to humm in Seattle like they were with Mike Homgren.
(04:20):
The Homegrown era kind of puttered out in Seattle, and
Jim Morrow was brought on staff and was going to
be the coach in waiting and he took over and
they went five and eleven and then he got booted.
So it was like this, I don't know, this luwl
between two great tenures of the Seattle Seahawks. So it
was a very blah year for me when it comes
(04:42):
to fandom, because the Seahawks were just whatever in that
one season under Jim Morrow.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And you remember Jim Moore. Before he got that job,
he was the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons. Right, yes,
And he went on a Seattle radio show with some
of his buddies and he said like, hey, I don't
care if it's a bit of a playoff chase whatever.
If Washington calls me, Seattle calls me, that's home. I'm
coming home. Right.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Really that did? Yes, I think we remember that. Yeah, yes,
of course that was.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It was just just one of those all timers, like what, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
That was the year that the Saints beat the crap
out of everybody. And then there wasn't that bounty gait?
Was that Brett Farre's year in the Vikings when he
almost got killed in the NFC title game? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, and that's where they had Remember, they had the
the footage of the they had the footage of not
to walk through the meeting the night before where they
were giving the money signs. You know, if you take
them out.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Yes, they both both those teams, like the Saints. Did
the Saints start out like like thirteen and oh or
something like that that year and then they Yeah, that
year they they were eight and oh and then they
started out thirteen and oh and then lost their last
three regular season games and then ended up going to
(06:08):
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Thirteen and oh.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Peyton Mannon won the MVP, led US Colts to the
Super Bowl to lose.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I got what the World Series that year? Oh?
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Nine Yankees? Right, yes, that's their last one.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
That was a rod one.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Yeah, I think so if we're so, you know, I'm
a Packers fan. And two thousand and nine was an
interesting year because it was really like the first year
Aaron Rodgers got it going in Green Bay. They finished
within an eleven and five record, and they lost to
the Arizona Cardinals in the playoffs in one of the
wildest back and forth playoff games I've ever seen, fifty
(06:53):
one to forty five. It was one most exciting. I mean,
fifty one to forty five. That's like a Texas Tech
versus you know, I don't even know a Boise State
score or something. I don't know, So that was exciting.
It fell a lot of optimism with Aaron Rodgers there
the Packers. And was Kurt Warner the quarter of back
of that Cardinals team? I want to say yes, yeah,
(07:16):
I would have been. The following year yeah, after the
Super Bowl, right yep?
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (07:19):
And then for me and my fandom with College Iowa
in two thousand and nine started out the year nine
to oh. One of those wins on September what was it,
What was the date, September twentieth, Sprember nineteenth. That was
a Saturday. They were playing the Arizona Wildcats, a very
exciting non conference game. The quarterback for the Arizona Wildcats
was Nick Foles, and they had an injured tight end
(07:41):
tight end named Rob Gronkowski who he didn't play, so
ye had Nick Foles and then Gronk was on the
roster for those Wildcats exciting game. I was there as
twenty seven to seventeen win for Iowa and they again
they started nine to Ozho got the fourth in the
nation and then West off.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Now is that the year that who won the Heisman Trophy?
I'm asking because I think it was mark Ingram. It was,
but it should have been in Dominican Sue right and
Dominican Sue. I think that's the year Nebraska last got
to a Big twelve title game. They played Texas and
if you remember that game, he thoroughly dominated the game
and he was being doubled in triple team the entire game,
(08:18):
and it reminded me of who's seen Fast Times Ridgemont High,
Jay stew I know that you.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Right, I have, actually you haves.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
What was what was the star football player who they
crashed his car and then spray painted on it and
then he just like took out the whole team because
of the other team, because of it that Charles Jefferson
And Charles Jefferson was played by uh Forest, Yes.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
I thought they just flew him in for home games.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Uh yeah, that's and he and Dominican Sue's game film
looked like Forrest Whittaker. What was his name? Was the
character's name, Charles Jefferson Charles Jefferson's character in past Richemont High.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
I know you got my Earth Wind and Fire tickets.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's pretty good, right, We're making Fast Times Ridgemont High.
It's really interesting though, if you think about it. Everybody
makes Caddyshack references. Caddyshack way older. I don't a way older,
but older. Why don't people make more fast Times Richemont
High references? Or are you people ton?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Do I think sports nuts are more Caddyshack fast Times?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
This means there's like a there's there's there's marginally less
sports in Fast Times Ridgemont High there's not a ton
of a ton a ton of golf in Caddyshack, obviously
the culmination, the final scenes and the gopher or whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
But anyway, now that you bring up movie watchers, Doug,
I think the listeners are thinking, what were we watching
on TV in the fall of two thousand and nine?
And I've got that answer.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Two TV shows that made him a huge mark, a
huge mark. Modern Family debuted September two thousand and nine,
would go on to be an iconic show. And then
Jersey Shore. Jersey Shore debuted in December of that year,
again a show that really made its mark. What is it, Sam?
(10:14):
The situation? Oh Jersey Shore?
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Wait?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
What?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yes, Mike never saw never saw an episode?
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Oh I did? I saw one and two.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
I think I haven't tried to watch some of the
recent ones I had.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
We had twins that year two thousand and nine. I
don't remember anything.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
What was it GTL Yeah, Jim Tann and laundry. Yeah,
Jim Tann and laundry. You got to do that every day? Yeah,
that's how productive these citizens were. They Jim Tann and laundry.
That's what they would do. Oh, you know what happened?
That year iconic moment. Yet again, Kanye West did not
like that Taylor Swift won the Oh.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
That was when he interrupt interrupted her at one of
the award show.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
It sounded like this, No, Tayla, I'm really happy for you.
I'm gonna let you finish.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
But Beyonce had one of her best videos of all time,
one of their best.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Videos all time, would be an indicator of things to
come for Kanye.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Just kind of being out there a little bit.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Also a good rule of like rushing the stage never
turns out well. Will Smith? Who is the who is
the the artist that joined Jay Z and Alicia Keys
when they were doing you know Why am I blanking?
Speaker 6 (11:35):
You know the New York song? Uh yeah, Empire state
of Mind?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Remember, And she came on stage and she was like,
it never works out well ever at an award show.
You being on stage when you shouldn't be on stage
never turns out well.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I'm trying to think of who that was, do you
know what?
Speaker 5 (11:54):
You know who I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I can't remember who they was. I I have, by
the way, so Ali show Fox Sports tray. This is
I don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Yeah, No, that's okay.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
So two thousand and nine in the Gulf World is
one that stands out to me.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
That wasn't Tiger Wood's got in the car crash, was there?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
It was yeah, in that in that that fall. But
also what happened that August is something that we had
never seen before. Tiger Woods had to lead to major
and didn't win the tournament. Entering the final round, Hyi
Yang comes back and beats him at Hazeltine and it
(12:33):
was like, whoa wait a second. Little did we know
how much things would change after that. But you remember
Tiger Woods, this was after you know, playing on the
a year after playing on the torn acl and the
broken leg and the whole thing at Torrey Pines. Came
back that next year and had an opportunity to win
another major, and hy E Yang came from behind and
(12:58):
upset Tiger Woods at the Championship. But not the biggest
moment of two thousand and nine in golf, because that
was when Tom Watson had a chance to win the
Open Championship at Turnberry with a par on the eighteenth hole,
and instead his second shot went long, chose to putt
it back on the green and then as attempted par
(13:20):
putt that would have won him the championship to become
the oldest major champion winner by far, in a record
that would have I think stood the test of time.
He ends up missing his par putt, didn't put a
good effort on it at all, and Stuart Sink ended
up winning the Open Championship that year. Not to mention
that my guy Kenny Perry had a two stroke lead
(13:42):
after sixteen or seventy holes of the Masters, two shot
lead after sixteen on Sunday, went bogie bogie, and then
lost in a playoff that was eventually won by Anel Cabrera.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Oh geez, I'm looking at Dan Byro right now, I've
got a vantage point. There's no notes in front of him.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Now.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
That was all off the top, yes, folks.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
In two thousand and nine, our buddy Hunter Mayhan was
in the thick of it at the US Open, which
was crazy.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Was at Bethpage.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Of course, it rained like all weekend long, so they
had to finish on Monday. Lucas Glover ended up winning.
Phil was in contention, you know a little bit there.
But it was just a crazy, crazy year for golf's
majors when you had all these storylines, but your winners
were on Hell Cabrera, Lucas Glover, Stuart Sink in y
(14:28):
E Yang. Not necessarily a who's who, although all respectable players.
Don't get me wrong, Lucas Glover solid, solid player, Stuart
Sinc really one of the good ones out there. But
what could have been in those good out a Watson
and Woods to wrap up the season?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
You know what, Stuart Sink was probably listening to in
his earbuds, iPod iPod buds, probably listening to some Lady
Gaga who entered the scene in two thousand and nine.
Poker Face and Just Dance charted all year round. The
music world has never been the same since Lady Gaga hit.
So I do enjoy Lady Gaga quite a bit.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Yeah. I think she's super talented. Yeah I do.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Even before the whole Shallow movie actress like just her
songs were good, I thought she is.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
She's remarkably talented, Yes, remarkably talented.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
She's in the musical Joker, she plays opposite Walk in
Phoenix and the Musical Joker too.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
I think she could be Egot material at some point,
you think, do you don't think she's got the acting
chop Stan or you just said for one movie, what
you got Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony winning them all.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
It's like it's like the triple crown of triple Crown. No,
I did not say that at all.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
What I was saying was I think that she then
became very very I don't want to say mainstream, but
when you have the movie and do the movie thing
like you're even but she was a huge, huge musical
star obviously even prior to that. But the movie I
think also then put her on another level because we're like, Wow,
(16:11):
she can act and she's writing these songs, and it's
like it's almost overload. You're like, oh my gosh, she's
a renaissance woman.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
She is anything else.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Two thousand and nine, Oh what a year.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
My daughters were born.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
A little bit of a recession we're in right.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well, that's when it started. Yeah, it started, it was
it was It wasn't a little bit of recesion on
I know, the worst housing crisis in the history nights dates.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Didn't it start though?
Speaker 7 (16:36):
In two thousand and eight really got under way, okay,
and then it was being bad.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
In nine nine, it was really bad.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
We'll bump off to kind of a rough start to
his presidency, but yeah, did win second term.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
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Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Uh colet as I've
ever been in a football games Jets Pats, and I
think it was uh, I think it was two thousand
and you know I'm ass buyer because he's an Encyclopedia buyer,
Jets Pats. I think it was Monday night football in Foxborough,
(17:27):
and I think that I want to say the Jets won.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
I I'm trying a blank. I wish I could help.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Oh I'd love to step up to the plate on this,
but I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, yeah, I think it was. That's what I think. Anyway,
just I went, we went to the game. I lived
in a town called Canton, Connecticut. A bunch of guys like, hey,
we all got tickets, let's go. I think I had
got the day off, which is weird day after in
(18:00):
football season, and it was about I want to say,
two fifteen to Foxborough. And if you've ever been a Foxborough.
It's one way in, one way out, So you got
to make the decision, like if you're gonna go, you
gotta go super super early, or you gotta go righte
at game time, because if you go anywhere in the
(18:20):
hour and a half before, it's just you get off
the highway and it's I don't know, I want to say,
like five miles to get to the stadium, and it's
just one road in, one road out. It's bad. We
got there super early and we set up like a
like a little fire pit, and I was frozen, and
I don't enjoy. I'm not gonna say I don't enjoy.
I don't prefer to sit in the box. Get sit
(18:43):
in I've sat in plenty of luxury suites at Oklahoma
State games. It was I've been offered obviously, Packers games.
I've been one at SOFI and a couple others. You
aren't humble bracts. It's just kind of nature of who
you know. I can't afford to buy those things. But
that was the one time where those guys all went
to their seats and I one of the head of
marketing for the Pats, something I'm friendly with and he
(19:07):
got me a ticket and I sat it there and
I was so thankful and I never forget. We got
to the car and they were just completely frozen. They
were completely drunk because I was their only way to
stay unfrozen mentally, and I was like, I'm never sitting
outside when it's that cold. Fast forward to now, and
you guys know Hayes he wants to go to He's like,
(19:27):
I want my first Packer game. Mainland's cold. Well, you
might be going by yourself. December twenty third versus the Saints.
That's that's the current target. Kurt dark TuS of college
Football in the second first, So let's get to Dan Byer.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Get an update, Dan, Doug, I just looked it up.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
You're talking to a guy who was at the third
coldest game ever at lambeau Field December twenty sixth, nineteen
ninety three. Packers beat the Raiders twenty eight to nothing,
also known as the birth of the lambeau Leap that
had happened that day.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox Sports Radio. His name
is Kelly Ford. He's got the ca Ford k Ford
Ratings go to Kford Ratings dot Com or we can
fall them on social media as well, and every week
he puts out new ratings for college football plus a
new college football playoff. He's like, wait there, we're just
a couple weeks in. It's predictive analysis, right, predictive. It's
(20:18):
all kinds of math and stuff that we were told
we wouldn't have to use anymore. Don't tell me you're
actually using algebra, Kelly, Are you the guy that uses algebra?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Doug Worthy us an algebra. We're using all sorts of
different math. We're trying to to still it down to
something that many people can understand and put it in
a pretty graphic to make it easily digestible. But math
can tell us a lot of things, even about college football,
and it's such an unpredictable sport.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Okay, your math, your predictive analysis, has who in the
college football playoff after this first month?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, so after the first month, projecting forward, how we
expect the rest of the season to go? Right now,
I've got the top four seed the buy the AQS
as Alabama has taken over the top from Georgia in
Texas in recent weeks, Alabama number one, Ohio State have
the Big ten Miami out of the ACC and now
Kansas State has supplanted Utah just knew this week. Those
(21:10):
are my top four. The at larges are all coming
from the SEC and from the Big ten. I've got Ole,
Miss Georgia, Texas, Oregon, Tennessee, Penn State, and USC and
then lastly the number twelve seed the group of five
AQ is Memphis. For me, that's new this week. It
had been Boise State up until this point.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Okay, what's the biggest change in your rankings to somebody
who hasn't been paying attention.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, the biggest change I would say is that Alabama
is now the number one power rated team. That has
been Georgia up to this point, but Alabama, the way
they looked through three games, has taken over that top spot.
You know, if anyone hasn't been paying attention to the preseason,
it's probably no surprise. Florida State has been the biggest
tumbler out of the preseason, you know, number twelve to
(21:56):
start the year. They are now in the thirties. For me,
it would be even lower if we removed all preseason
weights at this point. So that's a team that's really fallen.
If you want to look for a riser out of
the middle of the pack. I'll go with UCF, a
team out of the Big twelve that right now just
misses out on the playoff picture. They've been a big
surprise with their performances so far out of the Big twelve.
The Big Twelve is such an exciting conference, whether it's UCF,
(22:19):
Kansas State, Utah, Oklahoma State, a lot of teams that
are buying for what's likely going to be just one
spot out of that conference into the CFP.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Okay, the line has changed dramatically with Utah and Oklahoma State.
Most people think that rising is not playing. Why did
you change? Well, take Utah out of out of your
college twelvelayoff.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So right now Utah has come out of the CFP
and has been replaced by Kansas State because the Wildcats
have improved in recent weeks in their power rating and
Utah has fallen ever so slightly. So I now have
Kansas State as a slightly better power rated team than
the youth. Certainly is camera is out for any extended
period of time that is going to hurt Utah States.
(23:04):
We saw two years ago how good this team was
making it to the Rose Bowl with Cam Rising. We
saw last year how they struggled to win some games
without him, so certainly he's a huge difference maker. Kansas
State has a slight edge with regard to the power
rating now, and they also have a slightly easier schedule
in conference play than Utah does based off my numbers,
but those are still the two teams that are the
(23:24):
favorites to make it to Arlington. UCF is sniffing around
as well.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Okay, where do you have Oklahoma State?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Oklahoma State for me right now is power rated number
twenty in the most Deserving rankings, which looks at what
have you achieved this year relative to expected with regard
to your win loss record, They're number twenty one. And
then if I go to my projected Big twelve standing,
they are right now number four, but just about a
game behind second place Kansas State. So Oklahoma State is
(23:53):
certainly in that mix of teams that I expect to
be in that race for Arlington. I've got a two
percent chance to go nine to zero conference play and
play for that spot in Arlington. If we look at
their season holistically, I think ten wins is what they
need to get to on the regular season to have
a chance to be in that a large conversation. I've
got a thirty five percent chance that the Pops get
(24:14):
to that double digit threshold that I think is required.
Give them their schedule all right.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Down the road from Stillwaters, Norman, Oklahoma's about an hour
and fifteen hour and twenty minutes. And Oklahoma officially joins
the SEC on the football field this weekend as they
welcome in the balls of Tennessee. And this is a
Tennessee team that, look, I know that Kent State doesn't
make anybody shake in their boots. They got Penn State
(24:39):
this week. Kent State, I beat seventy one nothing Chattanoogas
sixty nine three, but they beat NC State fifty one
to ten. Now you get Oklahoma. Tennessee's a seven point
favorite on the road against you. Now, ou struggled in
their last two, most nobly against Houston. What's your predictive
analysis say of this game?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, it's a really intriguing game. It's my number one
game of the week by watchability. It's got a score
of nine point eight out of ten. So really looking
forward to this one. Like you said, it's a huge opener,
SEC opener for the Sooners. My numbers do like Tennessee
on the road with about a sixty six percent winning sectency.
So how I like to say that if they played
this game three times, I would expect Tennessee to win twice.
(25:21):
Of course, they're only going to play at once and
that's what makes this sport so special. So we will
see how it gets played out. But my numbers do
like Tennessee on both sides of the ball here, in
particular the Tennessee defense that right now I have as
the number nine best defense in the country. This Oklahoma
offense is number forty four for me right now. That
is the worst Oklahoma offense we've seen in some times,
(25:43):
going back to you know, previous to the Lincoln Riley era.
Even so, I think the advantage might be had by
that Tennessee defense. Can they force some turnovers? Can they
score a touchdown? On that side of the ball. It's
not going to be an easy environment for the balls.
But my numbers do like Tennessee. They're the number five
the power rated team right now for me in the country.
Oklahoma a solid number fourteen, but in the SEC that's
(26:05):
about the middle.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Of the pack. Michigan just Govy by Texas. Now USC
comes calling SC's two and zero. I was that big
win over LSU, and then you beat Utah State and
then you have a week off. What's your predictive analysis
of the game of the Big House.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So this one's a little bit closer than Tennessee and Oklahoma.
I've got a fifty seven percent win expectancy for the Trojans,
and this really is just about as even of a
matchup as you're going to get between these two teams.
Of course, the home field advantage for Michigan is going
to help them here. I've got USC number eleven and
the power ratings Michigan number twenty two. But it's a
(26:38):
strength versus strength. The USC offense is number five in
the country for me. The Michigan defense is number five
in the country. You'll put around on the other side,
the Michigan offense has struggled this year, their number sixty six.
The USC defense still the weaker of the two units,
but has been much improved from what we've seen in
the last two years under Lincoln Riley, coming in at
number fifty two in the nation. So my numbers lean USC,
(26:59):
but the fact that it's in ann Arbor certainly gives
Michigan something to be excited about. I do think it's
worth noting Michigan last week was at home against Arkansas State.
Won the game by ten points, not nearly as comfortable
as many thought it would be. USC was off. They
did not play last week, so that is certainly a
scheduling dynamic that's going to favor the Trojans and this
one as they make the trip across country to Ann Arbor.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Kelly Ford college football analyst, founder of Kford Ratings dot Com.
Check him out on social media. Check out his side
as well, and he joins us every week. You can
hear him here. Hear him on the podcast as well. Kelly,
thanks so much for joining us. Great to see you
yesterday and we appreciate joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Thank you. Doug. Always good to see you in person
and a pleasure to hop on anytime, so appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
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(28:10):
get to the press, the press. What do you get there?
Dan Byron, No, Doug.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Usually we have a full bevy of headlines to get to,
and we've got some headlines that you'll touch on. But
I do want to clean up something that happened about
an hour ago because we weren't really able to get
to it because we were tight against it in game time.
But is Georgia Tech really a program that was in
a national prominent No program?
Speaker 6 (28:43):
No, Iowa, Iowa. I think I was more in. I
love that in the conversation, I.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Was actually been as prominent as they have ever been
outside of getting to a Rose Bowl over the last
ten to fifteen years. That's like they've just been really good,
really solid. So I don't think they need to return
to anything. This is they've been slightly better. Right when
they had Long what was his name, me, Chuck Chunk?
Long was their quarterback. Outside of that, they've always just
(29:11):
been really good.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
That's actually the last year Iowa won an outright Big
Ten title was nineteen eighty five with Chuck Long.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
I can Brad Banks. In two thousand and two one
did Ricky Stansey whin the Orange Bowl. So that was
actually the two thousand and nine season. They went eleven
to two and they beat Georgia Tech and Paul Johnson. Okay,
so that was the Orange that was That was the year.
But there are years where Iowa pops up and I
think that they are a more intriguing story. Yes, so
(29:42):
right now, them kind of middling with their eight wins,
I don't think that they're at the top of college football.
But if they do go on a season or a
tear where they have one loss, they're a part of
the conversation. Colin Coward's calling him the what the fake
idea of college football? All right, So I think that
that Iowa is legit in terms of a return to
(30:06):
national prominence. Georgia Tech even when they won the national championship,
I don't know if people were talking about them thirty
four years ago.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
They're in Atlanta, they play the Bulldogs every year. They
beat Cumberland two hundred and twenty two to zero. Okay,
they've had.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
We're good.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
They've had they shared with Colorado.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
We're good.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
They're the rambling wreck.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
We're good because it's it's okay Sam to say hates
my pick. I'm not and I and I reserve the
right to be wrong.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
It's not wrong. You guys are trying to.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
A nationally prominent brand.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
Ever, they won, they shared a national championship, they tasted
gridness doesn't make them never even sniff that.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
They doesn't make them a national brand at all.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
All the bones are there, the structure is there.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
No, it's truly not. It's a it's a really really
hard academic school. It is okay. It's location is their
only strength. They're in the wrong league. Okay, they don't
have a ton of nil. It's a strong academic school.
It's a nerd school.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Agree to disagree.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
You know what, if you want to say their basketball
team can return to Nashal.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
The basketball team's done less than their football team. No,
that's wrong.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Again, but not real.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Game.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
They just won. Yeah, and they just won the ACC
two years ago. To just say I don't know, it's okay.
Never we don't know everything. I don't know everything. I
just know more than you what's next to Danbyre.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
I would also say, I think West Virginia would have
been a good team to put in there.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
That's what pull. Yeah, well, people forget major Harris. Right,
here's one I would have done. Syracuse, Don McPherson, Don McPherson,
and then of course you got Floyd Little, Marvin, Jim Brown,
Marvin Harrison. Right. I mean, just but Don McPherson. Didn't
they play West Virginia in the Orange Full? Am I misremembering?
Speaker 6 (32:13):
I thought they played in a Fiesta Bowl.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I think you're right because the Orange Bowl was always
the Big Eight champion, right against Miami. Yeah, so I
think you're right.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
There was there was. There were a lot of a
lot of big matchups and whatnot. But Rich Rodriguez with
West Virginia and seven white white Yeah, incredible football to watch.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Absolutely, So I think I just.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Think it's a father of running out of the spread.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I don't want to. I was sam to think that
we are piling on it's nothing new.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Sorry, you could to resuscitate something from an hour ago
that no one remembered.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Conversation.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Here's a fun conversation, Sam, name the coaches between Mike
Shula and uh Nick Saban?
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Between Mike Shula and Nick Saban. Mm hmm, oh there.
Uh didn't Nick Saban take over for Shula?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
M didn't Mike Price take over? Or is it Mike?
Did Mike Schuley take over for Mike Price?
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Dan Byer, Well, Mike Price didn't even coach a game, I.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Know, but it was the off season, right, yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
I I you know, I can't remember the order. I thought.
I thought maybe Sam was right on that.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Actually maybe right, I may be wrong.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
I would it was a Shula and then Joe Kines
was an interim coach looks like. And then at the
end of the six season, then Saban took over.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Yes, remember me to Dennis FRANCIONI left Alabama for a
m M.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Remember that that did happen?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, it did happen. And like Dennis Franconi almost had
it going at al Alabama, right, And then when he
left Alabama, they wanted to hire Rich Rodriguez, who turned
it down because his wife didn't like it. That's the
old story. Then Mike Schula probably would have kept the
job if he had landed Tim Tebow who had an
(34:17):
infatuation with Mike Cchula, but he ultimately chose Florida. Man.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Anyway, Yeah, what could have been?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
What could have been?
Speaker 5 (34:25):
I wasn't trying to pile on. I actually just liked
the conversation. West Virginia popped up into my head. West
Virginia would have been a better Yeah, I thought I
didn't know.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
UCLA was that good in the mid to late eighties.
I remember them having a couple of years of Troy
That's it.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
I remember growing up thinking that UCLA was on par
with USC.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
Gary Green It was.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Was It wasn't Gaston Green was green course.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yes, they had a running back named Kreame Abdul Jabbar.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Yes that was That was night.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
By the way, how's there often with Eric b Enemy
running it?
Speaker 6 (35:03):
I haven't. It's a disastern.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Green Bay Packers head coach Matt Lafleores says that Jordan
Love will likely be a game time decision.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
My word's not his.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
He says, they have up until ninety minutes before game
time to the side if Love will play against the
Titans in Week three.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Okay, so here's a question that I have. It's a
legitimate question. Is there any consideration, consideration for the fact
that the quarterback that has that did start last game
was drafted by the Titans, and this can be as
maliqu will as revenge game.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
He commented about that yesterday. Yeah, did you hear those
great comments?
Speaker 5 (35:46):
What say, yeah, this is uh do we have Actually
we don't have it in the system at least I
don't see them.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Said something like, I don't think about that, Bro, Like
he used the bar and the answer and they didn't.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
He's just yeah he did our dude. Maybe he's a dude.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I can relate more to do than I can to Bro.
Although my son says bro, and so then I get
caught up in it. No, we're it's effort.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
No, I don't think we're efforting. I don't think we're
gonna get it. What he oh, he did say, Bro,
He said, I could care less, Bro. But this is
this is the perfect example of hearing it versus reading it.
He gave a really thought out, well thought out answer
that said, I got paid the whole time I was there.
I appreciate them giving me the opportunity to play. Uh,
(36:30):
miss Amy, you know, thank you to everything that you've done.
They brought me into this league. You know, great job
by you know by by the organization. I appreciate them
taking a chance on me. And that's what Malik Willis
had to say. So yes, when they took the high road,
I want to kill them.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I want them.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Yeah, that's this is Yeah, Malik Willis uh said the
right thing. And uh, I don't think we have an
enough time.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Don't worry about yeah any more stories.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
No, that's the press. Get out there and pressed. That
was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I was wrong about uclating, wrong about the Order of Alabama,
but right about Georgia Tech never being nashally prominent. And
I thought my Virginia Tech and Syracuse pull for to
return to national prominence. Sean McPherson, Dom McPherson, whose dad
was the coach.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Remember no, not even close, not related, They're not related, noop.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, Donald Pherson is black as dad was. The coach
is white. That's right, My bad. Another mistake a Doug
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