September 24, 2024 • 50 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug riffs on the Bengals and Commanders as rookie Jayden Daniels led Washington to a win in Cincinnati Monday night. Doug discusses the unfortunate news that Brett Favre has Parkinson's disease.
Doug welcomes The Athletic's NFL Insider Jeff Howe onto the show to discuss the Jaguars' woes, the Rams and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
Doug and Dan Beyer partake in the the world premiere of "Beyer's Remorse".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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FU Sports Radio and coming to here in the tirag
dot com studios tyrag dot Com. We'll I beget there. No, no, no,
you're too kinds. No, you're you're two you stop it? Okay,
maybe a little bit more. I'm you know what I yeah, yeah,
(00:43):
I can use that. H that's because me, like the
rest of you guys, died in my survivor pool already
taking the Cincinnati Bengals. Yikes, yikes, what is that about?
What is what is that actually about? Oh? We got
to get into the Bengals and what's wrong with the Bengals? Uh?
(01:04):
Maybe what well, maybe maybe what isn't wrong with the Bengals?
Maybe maybe maybe that's what we'll do. I don't know, Huh.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I like this.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Jason Stewart, a Steam producer of the Doug Gottlieb show
tweets off coming off an NFL weekend with so many
upset Survivor pool uh survivor pools destroyed And on Tuesday
it tuned into host analysts are going through the schedules
to judge outlooks. This league has never been less predictable.
How about stop lazy prediction segments? Who DEM's fighting words?
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Jay Stu? Jay Su? Are you gonna call out who
you're talking about?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
What you are you?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Are we doing that?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
What are we?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Are we doing that?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
So?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I love it, Jay Stu. You're You're fired up, You're
fired up. And and I was thinking about this, okay,
because this is the reality. This is a bit of
a humble brag. I got a chance. You know, the
U s g A has the win Woman's us open
at Aaron Hill's this upcoming spring summer. Right and dear
friend of mine Roby Lahy is running a media day
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event where got a chance to go down and play
walk eighteen holes, which was over fifteen thousand steps. Dan
Byer got my steps in, walked eighteen holes and walked
I think it's eight and a half miles as well
in a little bit of a little bit of rain.
It felt like real golf. And we were driving back
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and I was just thinking to myself about about Jay
stew your what's the what's the word I'm looking for
your statement about this being like the like the Zurrupa album, Right,
that's your thing. It's like, it's this is Zurupa, this
is the Anybody will watch the NFL just because the
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NFL even though the product isn't good, just like Zoropa, Right,
I get that right, and kind of case.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, more or less, more or less, I think it's
the NFL seeing how far they could push to their audience,
and we're eating it up, and we're watching more than ever.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay, are we watching more than ever? Are we watching
more than ever because of because we gamble on it?
Are we watching more than ever because it is so unpredictable?
Were watching more than ever because we just love football?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I mean, I think we're watching more than ever because
we all have fantasy interests. You mentioned the survivor interest,
the gambling interest, and if you're watching from that prism,
I don't think you're noticing how dog crap the product is.
You just want to see if your action comes through.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, was the action? Was it dog crap last night? Though,
It's like it's a real question to you, like was
it dog crap? Because the Bengals lost? Because I mean,
if we're honest with the ourselves, right, Jayden Daniels was outstanding,
you know as a rookie quarterback. Two hundred and fifty
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four or two touchdowns, no interceptions on the road, you know,
and he sprayed that ball around. I mean, nobody had
more than I think five receptions. I think Zach Ertz
led him with five receptions. Like that was pretty good
for rookie quarterback. And even as much as the Bengals
end up taking the l I mean, Joe Burrow throws
three touchdowns no interceptions. Granted, you know a couple them late.
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But the issue is that you're making the assumption that
it's always bad because touchdown passes are down. But last
night we saw two winners score thirty eight and forty
seven points.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah, I would say that the Bengals game last night
was the exception to the rule. And by the way,
I don't need the numbers. The numbers are catching up
to the eye test, but I think the eye test
has told me in the last couple of years that
the product is down. I don't I don't know if
I need stats to back that up.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I think you do need stats to back it up.
Just do because otherwise then it's the it's the facts
over feeling sort of thing. This show, by the way,
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about Jade and Daniels. There were many when we got
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to the draft, many who thought Jane Daniels he might
be better than Caleb Williams, and Caleb Williams was the
number one overall pick at if you go back two
years ago, he probably would have been, And so part
of it is I operated in the assumption that he
was going to be and that he was the better prospect,
even though Daniels had a better season last year and
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many pundits, many people in the know, thought it might
be the best guy. Here's Bengals head coach Zach Taylor
on losing three straight one score games to start the season.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
We have to create our own opportunities. When you lose
three one score games, one's going to give you anything.
And so again, there there's no gift we're expecting to receive.
We have to go take it, and we haven't. We
haven't done enough really dictating the tempo of the game,
you know, as as collectively offense, defense, and special teams.
There hasn't been one unit that's that's dominated to really
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take the pressure off the other unit, and so this
falls on everybody, and it's frustrating. It's a kick in
the gut when you put on all work in the
off season, training camp, and you're free, really good about
the team and you start out owning three. But again,
it's that is what we are right now. And I
told these guys, we got to find a way to
get a win next Sunday and we'll get this thing
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moving the right direction.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
The Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports tras that's
that's that's Zach Taylor kind of being a matter of fact.
And it's not that they're just that they're own three.
It's that they're own three and two of those losses
are Patriots at home and Commanders at home, and look,
the Commanders may be way better than we would have thought,
and the Patriots may be better than we would have thought.
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But the reality is that the perception is those are
two non playoff teams and they it wasn't just that
they beat you, they beat you at your place. Speaking
of that non playoff team, expect expectation, Dan Quinn's head
coach of Washington, he said this about his rookie quarterback.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
He's a really cool customer and he's got like real
poise about him. I thought, going in, we knew the
importance of the ball and you know, the decision making
for that, we just couldn't give them short fields and
chances to go. So his ability to know when to
when not to when to make a play with his legs,
I thought, we've seen a lot of this at practice
and now it's carrying over into the games where the
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decision making sliding going taking your shot. But I thought
it was a really strong performance tonight by him.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
It was a it was a very very strong performance
by him. And then the question becomes, did did the
bear screw it up? Right? Did the bear screw it up?
And and I listen, I listened to Calherd, just like
I think you all do. I love him. I think
Collin's incredibly talented, but I also might point out that
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at some point there has to be an accountability for
the player. They went out and built an entire newly
new group. Granted, their offensive line is not playing particularly well,
but this whole idea that Chicago doesn't know how to
develop quarterbacks, like the guys developing Caleb Williams are completely
different than the ones that we're trying to develop, Justin
Fields are completely different than the guys that are trying
to develop Mitchell Trubisky. At some point, you know, Trubisky
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wasn't that good. You know, Fields is winning, but it's
not because of his arm or his development. It's because
he's really good defense. He's valuing the ball, he's running
it instead of turning it over, and they're keeping everything
safe and they're just and they played a pretty soft schedule.
I do want to get to one other topic of
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the day, and this is a really interesting one. Brett
fav announced today that he has Parkinson's disease. And I
understand that now if you bring up the name Brett
Farr because of the controversy and the accusations of what
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he was doing and how he was where they were
getting money in fundraising for his all modern for his
daughter's volleyball team to build a new facility. That Brett
Farr becomes a name for many people that rivals that
of people in the Me Too movement or even you
know Diddy or any of these other guys that have
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been locked up. The fact is that if you I
have defend Brett Farr from this from this point of view,
I don't think, and there has been no proof otherwise.
I don't think that Brett Farv had any idea that
they were builking funds for the poor to fund this
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fund that fieldhouse, Like Brett fa there's a lot of things.
I don't think that's the person that he is, nor
has been proven by anybody any stretch that he had
any sort of knowledge of where that money was coming from.
Now you're just raising money for your alma manor like,
and you call people and you don't say, like, hey,
where you getting the money? I got it? No't worry
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about it, Okay, but still you say Brett Favre and
people roll their eyes. You say Brett Favro and people
talk about the you know the picture, you say Brett Favre,
and you think of, let's just be honest, Brett Favre
was kind of a cult hero. He's not the greatest
quarterback ever, but might have been the toughest quarterback ever.
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And yeah, it's going to be really interesting. You know,
Brady on one hand looks like a million bucks, and
now he's he's posting thirst trap videos on Instagram. Then
you got Farv, who you know, had the lou Gerrig's
streak only in the NFL, right, the Ironman streak on
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in the NFL, and now it's Parkinson's and who knows
what's next? Oh yeah, by the way, you know's a
couple of the toughest quarterbacks that anyone knows, right, Jim
McMahon also suffering a ton of ill effects after playing football,
and now Brett fav as well. It's just sad. It's
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really sad Byer when you hear that, when you hear
Farv you grew up in Wisconsin. I know, not a
Packers fan, but it still is. Brett Favre, give me
your thoughts.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Well, and I got a lot of thoughts on the
Bengals too, If you want to hear those, but honestly,
with this, we'll circle back to with this, I'm honestly
not surprised or shocked this is I mean, especially on
how his career ended. You think of the concussion that
he suffered when he played for the Minnesota Vikings when
they ended up having to play where the Gophers played,
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and I think at that time that field was was
not heated because universities around the country did not have
heated football fields. And I think about that hit. It's
not Minnesota's fault. A lot of them didn't because you
weren't playing in January. But the point is, is not
surprised by that, not surprised by the guy who as
the consecutive start streak in the National Football League, played
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through everything. Yeah, the only thing that was shocking to
me was it's now this generation of players, and it's
not even that shocking because we've seen other far of
contemporaries deal with much worse from what we think were
the effects of their football career.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
We're giving you your Bengals thoughts.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
For Yeah, Well, I just I loved the Zach Taylor
the score in one score games. It was a one
score game last night because they scored at the end
of the game, and Joe Burrow, by the way, I
thought was great last night. T Higgins filling in for this,
you know, coming in after the two game absence, Jamar
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Chase finally breaking through the Bengals as an offense, I
really had no problems with. You put up correct thirty
three points.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
You can't give up them any points to a rookie.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
Yeah, fact, that's the problem. And I think that's part
of even of what Jason is saying on the bigger
picture of the National Football League. So when you look
at these games that happened this past weekend, Commanders and
Begels is awesome if you love offense, but there's no resistance.
When you look at Cowboys Ravens, you say, oh, twenty
eight twenty five must have been.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
A good game.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Well, the Cowboys were down by three scores and then
just had to rally back to make it look like
it was. It was actually close. When you kind of
go down the ledger, I like a little bit of everything.
I like momentum here, momentum there, offense here, defense there.
If it ends, you know, twenty seven to twenty four
in a good game, that's perfect. But I don't think
he got that. The game of the week was Falcon,
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it was Eagle Saints. It's fifteen to twelve, you know,
it's just it's all over the map, Packers Eagles. That
was a fun game in Brazil, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, a real fun game. But that
one in Week three didn't necessarily match up, and not
all of them are going to be fun. But I
think that's also just to the point of where this
league is and who knows what? Who knows what is
an actual upset right now? As well? That's another thing,
because I had no idea who is who?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You know, there's I watched a ton of college I
think this weekend I may have hit my mark for
most football games watched, right because you watch Thursday and there's
some college. Friday, there was college I mean again, I
was talking about I was going through my notes of
things I wanted to talk about, and I was like, man,
we hadn't even gotten to the fact that, you know,
Nebraska loss to Illinois, like Brett Bielima gets another big
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win on a Friday night. But that's those Friday night
games nobody ever discusses. It's like they didn't happen. And
then Saturday, obviously we had you know, Michigan bouncing back
after getting omped at home by Texas. They beat usc
without throwing the football, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
But what jumped out to me is the post of
quality quarterbacks. Right, Oklahoma's already made a quarterback change for
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their upcoming game to Auburn, like this is you know,
was a Jackson Arnold, Like he was supposed to be
the guy they had, Dylan Gabriel's good quarterback, and then
when he left to go to Oregon, everybody's like, don't
worry about it, We're actually going to be better. Well
they're actually been worse. The point of it is, I
think what people in college already know but maybe they're
figuring out, is there's just a post of quality quarterbacks.
There just is. And the same only at a higher
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level happens in the NFL, and that affects things as
much to any And then you couple that of the
quarterbacks that are getting paid. When you pay guys this
absorbitant amount of money, which I'm not arguing whether you
do or don't deserve it, right, you're allowed to pay
whatever percentage of the salary cap you want. But the
point is that many of these teams that have these
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star quarterbacks now have some gaping hole because they can't
afford the rest of their roster to be at the
level that it was previously. So I can't determine whether
or not the NFL's lack of offense overall offenses, there's
just not a good enough good quarterbacks or that couple.
Maybe it's coupled with the fact that the teams that
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do have the good quarterbacks don't have nearly as much
money to spend and everything.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
Yeah, I think the Bengals are a perfect example. Do
you want to continue to play games like last night?
I would say no, Well, then you can't pay Jamar
Chase Anti Higgins. You know, there's obviously going to be
a decision with one of them, because otherwise then your
defense stays exactly the same as it was correct and
they hardly touched Jayden Dad Noels last night. There's grads
of a game that it was he was he was
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really not under pressure for a majority of.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Is jersey was clean. His jersey is absolutely, absolutely, positively
positive clean.
Speaker 8 (16:53):
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Is that?
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Do you guys like the doubleheader on Monday night? I
kind of really liked it last night. Now, part of
it is I have that the YouTube TV where you
can go two box you can watch them both at once.
I just I kind of came U've come around on
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something I like. I really liked it because just like
last night, when you have one game that's crap, you
can still watch football, and the other game was good.
It wasn't that as close as the final score, but
it was still good, still good, stupid good. We have
how joins us. Of course, he's a national NFL insider
for the Athletic He joined us in the Doug Gotland
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Show on Fox Sports Radio and Jeff. Last night we
saw the Bills absolutely eviscerate the Jacksonville Jaguars. It was
two years ago. The Jaguars had an incredible comeback to
take down the Chargers. Then they had a shot. You know,
they were playing well had a shot to beat the
Kansa City Chiefs in Kansas City, and since then now
Houston's kind of the toast of the town in their division.
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Trevor Lawrence gets a big extension in the offseason. What's
wrong with the Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It's multi layered issues here.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Talking to people around in the league about the Jaguars today,
it's kind of stunning how far they've fallen so quickly.
And I covered both of those playoff games a couple
of years ago. I mean, that was a team that
absolutely had the feel of a young group that was
coming on to something, and then it all fell apart
last season. I mean, there's been issues with the offensive
play calling. I think there are Certainly the offensive line
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is having issue. I mean, losing a left tack Cam
Robinson was having problems protecting Trevor Lawrence all night. I
think Trevor Lawrence was having trouble with some mechanical things,
probably because he couldn't trust that the protection was always
going to hold up. Now, certainly there were some accuracy
issues that he needs to.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Reel in as well.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Defensively, I got I had nothing to say. I mean
that there was no fight. There was certainly, just not
enough pushback. I know there was some injuries, but you know,
you can't tell me that bring back let's call it
three defensive players or what have you, and all of
a sudden things are going to get a whole lot better.
I mean, this just looks like a team that's on
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the verge of a meltdown if they don't get it
fixed very very quickly.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah a what about the Bengals offense finally started to
hit on all cylinders, but the defense couldn't stop anybody
last night.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, that was a really surprising one. And you know,
to an extent there, I want to give credit to
the commanders and the offensive game plan. Jayden Day, you know,
obviously played phenomenally and Cliff Kingsbury act.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
We've stayed in the past.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Like when Cliff Kingsbury has the offense going in the
ground game, operating at a high level, he can be
a hard guy to game plan against, especially in real time.
So but with the Bengals, I mean again that that's
a team that's had an average offensive line at best.
Really since Joe Burrow became one of the league's best quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Offensively, they're still a little bit.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Out of think, although last night you wouldn't really know it,
but you know, still working their way back with the
two receivers who were unhappy with their contracts, Lust Boyd
in the offseason and free agency traded Joe Mixon. So
this is a group that's going to take a while.
That took that is taking longer than we've accustomed to
seeing with their early season struggles. But the defensive lapses,
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I mean, I trust in Lou Lou and Romo to
to kind of fix that on the fly, just because
of his track record. But you know, last night, maybe
that was more about the Commanders than the Bengals, at
least the offense versus the Cincinnati defense.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Maybe maybe, I guess, maybe how do you explain what
the Rams were able to do Sunday?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
That was incredible? I mean, talk about a jaw dropper.
They had no business winning that game and the Niners
had no business losing it, but Matt Stafford played.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Out of his mind.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I had kind of written them off, at least for
the time being, because of the amount of injuries they've had.
I mean, the offensive line injuries started in training camp.
It's looking a lot like the twenty two season when
you know, they just couldn't keep the same group together upfront,
losing Cooper Cup and Pooka and Nakua. I mean that's
I just assumed that this was a team that was
going to be way too beat up to continue competing.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
In such a tough division.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
But you know, on the other side, you got to
really beat up forty nine ers group too. But you
know you got Rock Perdy delivering a path on the
numbers to a receiver who dropped it. You know, basically
could have sealed that game. You've got to miss field
goal another opportunity to kind of put the Rams away.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
They just kept making mistakes.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I thought Rock Purty played a good game, much better
than the previous week against Flora's.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And the Vikings defense.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
But the just a team that made a lot of
uncharacteristic I guess you could argue against that being uncharacteristic,
but it's a team that made too many self inflicted
mistakes down the stretch and a RAMS group that keeps
fighting because they're well coached and that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
That is all fair, Okay, justin fields, he hasn't played great,
but they've won all the games and it's working. Were
the Bears wrong, Well, what's your Justin Fields take three
games in the season.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
They are putting him in an absolutely perfect situation. They
aren't asking Justin Field to do too much. When he
was with the Bears, he had to play almost perfect
just to give them a chance to even win, and
even sometimes that wasn't enough because of everything going on
around him. With the Steelers, they're the best defense in
the league right now. They're they're allowed, they're keeping opponents
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to an average of under ten points the game, and
Fields is you know, I was talking to people about
their quarterback situation before the season, and the majority of
people I spoke to thought that Justin Fields was better
suited to run that Steelers offense than Russell Wilson because
you can use his legs and as an asset, and
you can rely on Najie Harris in that round game.
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And we know Arthur Smith. You know, I think obviously
things fell apart for Arthur Smith in Atlanta. But if
you kind of marry all that stuff off, you call
a fairly conservative game.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
You know, some simple passes.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Now, he threw that dart on a crossing pattern for
that big game on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
That was an.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Absolutely brilliant ball. You're not going to see many balls
better than that one. So when asked to kind of
pass to lead the offense, he's done it in spurts.
But they're not forcing him to be something he's not,
and they're allowing him to kind of grow into that role.
I just I love what they're doing with him. Like
you said, he's not playing fantastic or anything. He's not
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posting massive numbers, but he's doing everything it takes to
win a football game because everything else around him is
clicking so well.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
It's really interesting to watch how you can be supported
by an organization or a really good defensive team. We
will see how long it lasts because they haven't played
the top level competition as of yet. Jeff Howe joins
us NFL Insider for the Athletic He covers the entire
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(24:39):
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What did we learn about the Dallas Cowboys in their
inability to win yet again at home against the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
There it's their biggest concern going into the season. What
was going to happen with this defense. I mean losing
dan Quinn like he knew that was going to happen,
but bringing in zim Or that's a completely different coaching personality.
It's a completely different coaching scheme. And you know, again
talking to people around the league before the season started,
they weren't sure that it was all going to come together.
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Certainly going to be some growing pains, and you can
run the ball on them. And when teams are committed
to running and you know they don't get greedy, you
just want to attack them up the middle.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
They're not stopping you.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
There's not a whole lot of resistance. Now, offensively, they
made some mistakes, really like bad mistakes, dropping bad passes,
you know, just dropping the ball in multiple different ways.
And you do that against the quality team like the Ravens,
you're going to dig yourself into a huge hole. Now,
they I liked the fact that they showed a lot
of fights. They tried to dig themselves out of it.
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And you're doing it to or you tried to do
it to a Ravens team that has fallen apart quite
a bit. Over the last few years at the ends
of games and blowing big leads, so they were a
little vulnerable there. I still think that's probably somewhat of
an earned if you're Baltimore. But you know, again, defensively,
I think that's the biggest concern. I think eventually, you know,
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I'm not sure what the feeling is for the offense
because I'm skeptical of their running game, but I expect
the passing game and Dak and CDE. I expect those
guys to be fine, but they just need to be
able to compliment them. They need complimentary football, like everything
the Steelers aren't doing the Cowboys are not. They're not
running the ball as explosively as they have in the past,
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and they're certainly not stopping the run, and that's putting
a lot of pressure on the passing game.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Anthony Richardson, Can that be fixed?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
There's so much talent that I do. I do believe
that it can be.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I just I'm shocked that it's started off so poorly
because he played so well in stretches last season, and
I thought that he was ready to take a massive leap,
and you know, Shane Stiken did a really good job
last season. Got a good offensive mind, as we know
I got, you know, I've got.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Some pretty decent quarterback plays.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
So it's like our Now you get to put in
the first round pick the kid with all the talent
in the world, and all of a sudden, it's gonna
get a whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
We just haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I mean, the good thing is he's it seems like
he's staying healthy, but the performance just hasn't been great.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I haven't been able to watch them closely enough to
really know exactly what's going on with Richardson, but he's
completely inaccurate.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I've watched him two games in a row. I watch
him in person against Green Bay and just misses things,
doesn't see it. And then the other part to it, though,
is they're really not running him, and I guess, I guess,
I just wonder, And obviously we don't know how much
of that is he was hurt last year, and how
much of it is you know, Andrew Luck goot beat
(27:49):
up being there and the last thing they want is
another Andrew Luck situation. But you have to run him.
I mean, that's his superpower.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, I totally agree with you there, and I think
it's to trace it to the injuries last season.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I mean, he started four games last year.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I think he got hurt in all four of those games. Now,
not necessarily like an injury report type of situation in
all four, but certainly a time when like it took
him quite a while to get off the turf in
each of those four games. So yeah, you're trying to
minimize the impact that he's taking, but you also can't
have him played with one hand tie behind his back.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
We started by talking about Jacksonville, no Stefan Diggs, no
problem thus far for the Buffalo Bills. There were many
people that thought this was a year that'd be a falloff. Granted,
let's not act like Jacksonville is great. What's your impression
of the Bills in their chase of the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
They look outstanding so far. I mean, Josh allen'son the
best player in the league through three weeks, and it
seems like they're all kind of fighting for him. They're
all playing like they believe that they have a quarterback
who can get them where they've been trying to go
for the last four years. And I think he's just
he's on an entirely different level at this point, he's
doing whatever he wants now. Again, part of that is
(29:05):
Jacksonville deserves all the criticism they've gotten for that defensive showing.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
But you know what Josh Allen is doing. You know,
this is a.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Remade wide receiver room. It's not just losing digs and
he gave Davis Now you're incorporating some younger guys, certainly
some unproven players. The other thing I like is, you
know they're mixing in the run with Cook a whole
lot more than they were last year at the start
when they were struggling so defensively. You know, we'll see
where they're able to get to in terms of their ceiling.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
But with the way Josh Allen's playing, I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
The amount of defense, the amount of pressure that he's
going to put on opposing offense is to kind of
keep up. It's that could be a situation where that
defense is just able to be opportunistic.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Jeff, great stuff as always. Man, Hey, we really appreciate
joining us. Thanks to me our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Of course, thanks all for having me. Have a good one.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You know, Dan, I actually did want to ask you
something this is kind of a This was something I
was talking with Jase stew earlier today about can you
believe how little hype there is about what shohe O
Tani has done this year. I want you to think
about something in our lifetime, not that long ago. Right,
(30:16):
we had the home run Chase, and the argument a
couple of years ago was it's Anaheim. Even remember Mike
Tradd was like, well, the Angels in Major League Baseball,
they don't know how to promote guys. He had a fifties,
had a fifty to fifty season. He's in a sixty
sixty chase, and it'd be hard for him to get there, obviously,
(30:36):
but not impossible. And yet, I mean, you know, I'm
not talking about whether or not your local news or
in LA we talk about it, or there's a mention
here there on sports and maybe some of it there
is some of it, the fact that traditional Sports center
is no longer a big thing, right, Like we all
grew up watching Keith and Dan and Steve Levy and
(30:58):
John Anderson and you know, and Ven Pelt and Boucie
Gross or whatever, and now threose guys are on. But
we don't know half the other people with Sports Center's
not kind of the same as he used to be.
But you know, they take on the uh they talk
on the Padres today they got up three games that
huge set with the Padres. They're actually playing really good baseball.
(31:20):
More than anything, this dude is unbelievable. Fifty three home
runs and fifty five stolen bases. And yet I feel
like I have to be the only I know, I'm
the only Fox guy outside of Rob Parker, probably as
he's a big baseball guy as well. Is there any
way to fix that in your in your mind?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yet?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I and if I'm wrong, you just go, hey, you're wrong.
You're not paying attention. You're in your own kind of
world of Green Bay and Packers and football. The rest
of the world is talking about it. I just don't
feel it.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
I would say, and I think that there could be
a multi two demandswers. This may be a smaller one,
but I would say if he was in New York Yankee,
I think it would be different.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Sure, but he is an LA Dodger. I grant, that's
my point. I'm with you. He's a Dodgers, aren't the Yankees.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
He's a Dodger, Yes, that's my point with it where
where it is, and I think it's an interesting look
at where those two organizations are considering. In the NBA,
we think we have all these brands, and I still
think this way, I don't. I don't think the Celtics
(32:35):
are close to what the Lakers brand is. And I
think that we saw that with the NBA title this
past year of the Celtics winning and nobody really cared.
But if the Lakers won, completely different story. I think
that that is part of it. And I know it's
crazy to say it's because he plays on the Dodgers.
I think there are so many things I think now
in sports, even in our business. If I can speak
(32:57):
on that is the NFL se to be the one
where we only actually do care about the games. The
NBA has been such a drama, you know, the fielled
season of off season and who's going to play? Instead
of your actually talking about games, we don't necessarily do
that in this medium anymore. First take is just arguing
(33:20):
about arguing, and nobody has an argument otherwise because they're
not paying attention to baseball. So there's I think that
that could play a small role in it. I also
just don't know if fifty to fifty and fifty three,
you know, fifty three, whatever you want to say, whatever
the numbers exactly are at this point, it's not the
traditional baseball stat that we love. I think it's more
(33:41):
about a player being I do look it.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I do think you did nail You did nail something there,
and maybe you put it as part of the package.
I think the fact that the first takes and back
when they had undisputed and now you have any of
these talker shows, they're like NBA drama, NFL centric shows. Now.
(34:03):
I'll also point out MLB Network does an amazing job.
I don't work for them. I'd never collected a check
for them. Okay, but when I watch, like if the student,
the set is really cool, they do really good highlights,
like if you're a baseball person, they do an amazing job.
But again I would I would challenge people to go, like,
have you ever watched their morning show? Do you ever
(34:25):
turn that on? If you're no, and you know the
first takes and even obviously Good Morning Football, but those
shows are seen as so much more popular and there's
so much money thrown into them that you inherently instinctively
watch you throw on you know in ESPN back when
you when when Shannon was there, people threw on Undisputed.
(34:46):
But they don't talk baseball now, they don't talk baseball
because everyone knows that nobody wants to talk about baseball,
or nobody here wants to listen to baseball on a
national level. I just want to point out it's historically
incredible and yet feels like very little uttered about it.
Speaker 7 (35:03):
I know we're tired on time, but I will say this,
it felt in ninety eight that we were all along
for the ride with the Cardinals in Cops, Yes, yes,
and with show. Hey, if you're going to talk about it,
you have to have one opinion or the other, and
that's that's not everybody's along for the ride.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
So maybe it's the way in which we watch sports
now is so divisible. Yeah, that's a really good one.
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I did play Aaron Hills and the USGA was kind
(36:23):
enough to welcome me out, brought a couple other guys
out and we went and we walked it eight and
a half miles eight and a half miles. Aaron Hills
is a Lynxy style course. It's in just a farmland
in Wisconsin, and it's a lot of that farmland was
you know, they obviously part of Wisconsin used to be
(36:45):
these these glaciers before the glaciers you know, receded and
became the Great Lakes, and so they didn't have to
move a ton of dirt fords. Really really interesting linksy
style setup with like almost the outside of the the
clubhouse is like almost like a dilapidated sort of wood
shingle sort of home. It does feel like you're kind
(37:07):
of going back in time to how golf it's and
it was raining today. It's like drizzling throughout all eighteen
holes where it does make you feel like you're playing
golf and you could drink a pint afterwards. It felt
like I was in Ireland or Scotland and I was
sitting there going like a lot is, let's go get
a pint after we get done with this round. I
did not get a pint after we get done with round.
(37:28):
But that was the when you had the Linsey style
and you had the drizzle. Yeah, that's it. It did
feel like that a little bit.
Speaker 7 (37:38):
Did you get any wind?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
No, I was lucky. I was bad enough without the wind. Sure,
that's bad enough without the wind.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
No, it's quite a test. The pros fared pretty well
at the US Open in twenty seventeen, and people are like, ah,
that's not a US Open type of course. And then
you look back at the leader board at that time,
because there were a lot of names that we just
weren't accustomed to you yet. Brooks Koepka ended up winning
his first major at that point. But yeah, quite a
(38:07):
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it buyers Remorse. Some have remorse.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
I engage, but there's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Well, tell me about it, Dan, Yeah, Doug.
Speaker 7 (38:50):
So here's the deal, and it kind of has the
NFL set up in this perfect position through three weeks
of the season. Everything that we thought was going to
happen at the beginning of the year, so much has
changed and we're not even through September. Correct, So there's
some buyers remorse on my side of things. For thinking
the Chicago Bears were going to be a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, I don't thought though they're a playoff team, but
I definitely thought they would be improved.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
I did. I thought they were going to be a
playoff team. In fact, I thought the Minnesota Vikings were
the only team from that division that we're not going
to make the playoffs, But it has been I don't
think that we are. I don't think we're doing a
great job in focusing on how bad it has been
for the Chicago Bears. They've been in competitive games, but
(39:38):
to Jason's point, it feels like everything is competitive right now.
The only game that they won was a game where
they didn't score an offensive touchdown and Caleb Williams ended
up having less than one hundred yards passing in that game.
And now you've gone back to back weeks playing against
the AFC South, losing on the road to Houston and Indianapolis.
(39:59):
And while those are close game as you also put
up thirteen and sixteen points respectively, And I honestly think
the ship has now sailed. In the Matt Eberflus Shane
Waldron Era, that offensive line is a mess. That's probably
Ryan Poles's fault, something that has been talked about by
Bill Belichick and others right now. But they did use
(40:20):
a first round pick on alignment last year. Probably could
have used another one this year in the draft, considering
who you all brought in free agent wise with Keenan Allen,
and you drafted Roma Duns all points that have been
pointed out by other people. But I don't see how
this gets right. I don't know how things show up.
And Shane Waldron was a questionable higher when it happened.
(40:42):
Jackson Smith and Jigba gave him the not so great
scathing review when asked by Chicago media outlet during Super
Bowl week of what Bears fans could expect from Shane Waldron,
and there was quite the pause in the Uh, that's
not a good sign, and don't I don't think things
are going to get better. So I am already kind
(41:03):
of disappointed in myself that I thought the Bears were
going to make the playoffs this year.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Okay, I got a little buyer's remorse. I just again,
I understand that this may come back to earth, but
I'm wrong as far as Justin Fields is concerned. I
didn't think he was a viable option. I don't. I
didn't think you could win NFL games with him. My
thought was everybody had a shot at him, and they
(41:30):
had to give up very very little financially to get him.
And he wasn't supposed to be the starter. It was
only because Russell Wilson wasn't wasn't healthy. The Steelers are
three and zero. I don't think there's any way in
which Russell Wilson gets his job back, unless unless Justin
Fields gets hurt, or it goes through just a stretch
of being terrible. And I don't think it'll be terrible,
(41:50):
But I just think he'll manage a game. But it
doesn't matter. They're winning with Justin Fields and starting quarterback.
I was wrong. That's my buyer's remorse.
Speaker 7 (41:59):
I got to another one to lay on you. Okay,
this one is going to take. This is kind of
the opposite of my Bears take, maybe more along the
lines of your Steelers take here. I want to play
two pieces of audio because we scrutinized this audio, and
we should. We did it throughout the summer. We were
so smitten with the Hard Knocks version with the New
(42:20):
York Giants. Remember when Joe Shane had this to say
about Daniel Jones.
Speaker 10 (42:26):
Yeah, great, the offensive line, and you're paying the guy
forty million dollars.
Speaker 11 (42:29):
It's not to hand them all off to a twelve
million dollars back.
Speaker 10 (42:33):
My plan is address the offensive line at some point
here at free agency.
Speaker 11 (42:38):
We're sitting at six. There was a chance there's an
offensive weapon there.
Speaker 7 (42:41):
This is the year for Daniel Okay. So that was
We took that eighteen seconds and we scrutinized it and
we looked over everything. Said, man, this is big one
for the Giants. And then in week one they get
destroyed by the Minnesota Vikings and we were ready to
fire Joe Shane and brought Dabole.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Right.
Speaker 7 (43:02):
So now look at the New York Giants and you say, yeah,
but they're one and two. Well, they just went to
Cleveland and took out the Browns, who may have their
own problems, but if Brian Dable and the Giants would
have handled their kicker position correctly, they very well could
have beaten the Washington Commanders in week two. And it
makes this minute long exchange when talking about Saquon Barkley,
(43:24):
because I know Doug the Giants, the excuse me. Yeah,
the Giants haters or the Eagles lovers are going to
point to, but look at what Saquon Barkley is doing
right now, and you could have had him. That's all
well and good, but the reality is is they weren't
going to be able to have Saquon Barkley and do
all the things that Joe Shane felt that they needed
(43:46):
to do in the sixty second exchange with team co
owner John Marraw because we're not.
Speaker 12 (43:51):
Going to franchising, Like it doesn't make any sense of
franchisings unless you think you can trade them after doing
it right, and then could we get something in trading?
What are we really going to get unless it got
down to like seven million dollars And I don't want
to offer that because I don't want to be like
we disrespected him.
Speaker 10 (44:07):
There's thirty one teams. Only takes one to you know,
maybe be open to doing something. If it doesn't get
to that, Hey, we're gonna do the right thing. We're
gonna let you hit free agency, find out your market,
come back and let us know if we can match it.
Speaker 11 (44:19):
If if we can, you know, we'll have those discussions.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
I mean, in a.
Speaker 11 (44:24):
Perfect world I'd still like to have me back.
Speaker 12 (44:26):
I just until we can prove that we can do
have a decent offense without him.
Speaker 10 (44:31):
Daniel's making a lot of money and it's the foreking
like we got to figure out is to see the guy,
so we got to protect him.
Speaker 11 (44:36):
We need to put resources there.
Speaker 10 (44:38):
We have Wallaer Belly, a healthy Wandell Hyatt Slayton. We'll
have to find a running back, but upgrade the offensive line,
give him a chance.
Speaker 11 (44:48):
Force us to take a running back in the high
then or we can still sign one. There's gonna be
guys if we're patient.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
You know.
Speaker 10 (44:56):
That ended up shaking out. Devin Singletary, who was in Houston,
played for two sais five this year.
Speaker 7 (45:01):
And Devin Singletary ended up being signed by the Giants
on a three year, sixteen and a half million dollar contract,
almost what Saquon Barkley got from the Philadelphia Eagles for
twenty twenty four. And the plan that Joe Shane laid
out was we're going to upgrade our offensive line. We're
going to get him the weapon like Molik Neighbors, who,
(45:22):
by the way, with all the court, yes, amazing, he's
been great so far. Singletary probably could should have had
two touchdowns against the Browns, but slid at the one
yard line so they could run out the clock and
get the win. The plan that Joe Shane laid out
that ipoo pooed and even said in week one, Wow,
this looks like a disaster is exactly why the Giants
have kind of turned it around over these last two
(45:43):
weeks and why Daniel Jones hasn't been as awful as
he as we thought he would be. My Lak Neighbors
has been great. Devin Singletary has been as sufficient running
back at a third of the cost of Saquon Barkley.
So that is where I have buyer's remorse that I
was so quick to jump on Joe Shane because they
gave us the access that not the other thirty one
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teams have done, including the Chicago Bears and their version
of hard knocks. And now I think that they may
not be a playoff contending team, but they are definitely
not as bad as we thought they were and probably
should be two and one right now.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
I think it's a very very fair way of looking
at it as of now. Want my buyers remorse on
the Lions. Now I will point out that after taking
on your Seahawks on Monday night, they have a bye week,
and then have you seen their schedule? At Cowboys at Vikings,
Titans at home in Green Bay, on the road against
(46:37):
the Texans. That's in successive games. They have four or
five on the road, Titans at home. Obviously feels like
a doub but man, you're going to find out what
that team is made of. They still have to go
to the Niners. I know they have to go to
the Colts whatever, but that's where we find out. But
my thing was that the Lions. It's really hard when
your schedule is loaded up when you're you know, when
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you play deep into the playoffs, you're going to play
a better schedule the next year. It's really hard to
replicate it when you haven't replicated it before. And so
far they look like a playoff team. I know they
lost the Buccaneers at home, that's a weird one, but
beating Arizona on the road ends up kind of equaling
things out because I think Arizona's a little bit better
than our initial perception of them. My buyer's remorse is
(47:22):
on the Detroit Lions. I picked them and finish the
last that division.
Speaker 7 (47:24):
They had red zone troubles against the Buccaneers, they had
time of the clock issues against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
They very well could be three and zero. I picked
the Lions to not only win the Super to go
to the Super Bowl, but win the Super Bowl. And
I have no reason through the first three weeks of
the season to think that they are not going to
(47:46):
do that.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
I do.
Speaker 7 (47:49):
I yeah, they tell you what. Look at the forty
nine ers right now and the issues that they're having
with injuries and trying to trying to get everybody back.
There is no guarantee that everybody is coming back the
way that they were for the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Viking seemed to be like a challenge. I think Green
Bay has actually proved quite a bit in these last
two weeks. Really curious to now see how they respond
(48:10):
with Jordan Love as their quarterback. I can't hold the
loss in Brazil against them, but still Lions. They play physical.
I don't think teams like to play that in the postseason.
And yeah, I'm still on that Lion's train.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Jay Stu, do you get any buyer's remorse you'd like
to share?
Speaker 4 (48:28):
You know, I chose to spend a very high draft
pick in an expensive fantasy league on Tyreek Hill, and
I felt awful doing it because as anyone who listens
to are in the Bonus podcast, and anyone who listens
to this show knows that I can't stand the guy.
And I think the lesson there is don't take a
(48:48):
guy that you hate, even though he's one of the
most productive players in the history of the NFL. And
now I have buyer's remorse because I hated buying it
now without a quarterback in sight, and he has looked
checked out the last two weeks. It's been embarrassing. Uh
So Tyreek Hill my buyer's remorse. Now, Dan, as in
(49:12):
the Fantasy Officion Auto, you never sell a guy hello,
So I wait for him to have a good game
and then I then.
Speaker 7 (49:20):
That's all you can hope for right now. And I
don't know if you can hope for Tua playing again
this season, but that would be your only saving grace.
Maybe there is something with Tyler Huntley this year. Didn't
seem to be something with Skyler Thompson during the time
that he played. Yes, all of the Dolphin stock, whether
it be eight chan Waddle or Tyreek Hill has gone
(49:41):
significantly down because of the TUA concussion.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
As Sam, you want to get in on this, you
get an em.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9 (49:47):
I mean I totally whiffed on the Vikings and Sam Darnold,
and I didn't give enough credit to the pieces around
him and to a young, enthusiastic, clever coach like Kevin
O'Connell making it work for Sam. So you know, I'll
totally eat that. It's great to see Sam and the
Viking succeeding. I just really did not see him performing
like this.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
You guys know I did. That's my guy. I'm super
excited about it. That, by the way, our Kids is
buyer's remorse.
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dot com studios tyrag dot Com. We'll I beget there. No, no, no,
you're too kinds. No, you're you're two you stop it? Okay,
maybe a little bit more. I'm you know what I yeah, yeah,
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I can use that. H that's because me, like the
rest of you guys, died in my survivor pool already
taking the Cincinnati Bengals. Yikes, yikes, what is that about?
What is what is that actually about? Oh? We got
to get into the Bengals and what's wrong with the Bengals? Uh?
(01:04):
Maybe what well, maybe maybe what isn't wrong with the Bengals?
Maybe maybe maybe that's what we'll do. I don't know, Huh.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I like this.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Jason Stewart, a Steam producer of the Doug Gottlieb show
tweets off coming off an NFL weekend with so many
upset Survivor pool uh survivor pools destroyed And on Tuesday
it tuned into host analysts are going through the schedules
to judge outlooks. This league has never been less predictable.
How about stop lazy prediction segments? Who DEM's fighting words?
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Jay Stu? Jay Su? Are you gonna call out who
you're talking about?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
What you are you?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Are we doing that?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
What are we?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Are we doing that?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
So?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I love it, Jay Stu. You're You're fired up, You're
fired up. And and I was thinking about this, okay,
because this is the reality. This is a bit of
a humble brag. I got a chance. You know, the
U s g A has the win Woman's us open
at Aaron Hill's this upcoming spring summer. Right and dear
friend of mine Roby Lahy is running a media day
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event where got a chance to go down and play
walk eighteen holes, which was over fifteen thousand steps. Dan
Byer got my steps in, walked eighteen holes and walked
I think it's eight and a half miles as well
in a little bit of a little bit of rain.
It felt like real golf. And we were driving back
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and I was just thinking to myself about about Jay
stew your what's the what's the word I'm looking for
your statement about this being like the like the Zurrupa album, Right,
that's your thing. It's like, it's this is Zurupa, this
is the Anybody will watch the NFL just because the
(02:55):
NFL even though the product isn't good, just like Zoropa, Right,
I get that right, and kind of case.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, more or less, more or less, I think it's
the NFL seeing how far they could push to their audience,
and we're eating it up, and we're watching more than ever.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay, are we watching more than ever? Are we watching
more than ever because of because we gamble on it?
Are we watching more than ever because it is so unpredictable?
Were watching more than ever because we just love football?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I mean, I think we're watching more than ever because
we all have fantasy interests. You mentioned the survivor interest,
the gambling interest, and if you're watching from that prism,
I don't think you're noticing how dog crap the product is.
You just want to see if your action comes through.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, was the action? Was it dog crap last night? Though,
It's like it's a real question to you, like was
it dog crap? Because the Bengals lost? Because I mean,
if we're honest with the ourselves, right, Jayden Daniels was outstanding,
you know as a rookie quarterback. Two hundred and fifty
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four or two touchdowns, no interceptions on the road, you know,
and he sprayed that ball around. I mean, nobody had
more than I think five receptions. I think Zach Ertz
led him with five receptions. Like that was pretty good
for rookie quarterback. And even as much as the Bengals
end up taking the l I mean, Joe Burrow throws
three touchdowns no interceptions. Granted, you know a couple them late.
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But the issue is that you're making the assumption that
it's always bad because touchdown passes are down. But last
night we saw two winners score thirty eight and forty
seven points.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah, I would say that the Bengals game last night
was the exception to the rule. And by the way,
I don't need the numbers. The numbers are catching up
to the eye test, but I think the eye test
has told me in the last couple of years that
the product is down. I don't I don't know if
I need stats to back that up.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I think you do need stats to back it up.
Just do because otherwise then it's the it's the facts
over feeling sort of thing. This show, by the way,
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to the draft, many who thought Jane Daniels he might
be better than Caleb Williams, and Caleb Williams was the
number one overall pick at if you go back two
years ago, he probably would have been, And so part
of it is I operated in the assumption that he
was going to be and that he was the better prospect,
even though Daniels had a better season last year and
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many pundits, many people in the know, thought it might
be the best guy. Here's Bengals head coach Zach Taylor
on losing three straight one score games to start the season.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
We have to create our own opportunities. When you lose
three one score games, one's going to give you anything.
And so again, there there's no gift we're expecting to receive.
We have to go take it, and we haven't. We
haven't done enough really dictating the tempo of the game,
you know, as as collectively offense, defense, and special teams.
There hasn't been one unit that's that's dominated to really
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take the pressure off the other unit, and so this
falls on everybody, and it's frustrating. It's a kick in
the gut when you put on all work in the
off season, training camp, and you're free, really good about
the team and you start out owning three. But again,
it's that is what we are right now. And I
told these guys, we got to find a way to
get a win next Sunday and we'll get this thing
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moving the right direction.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
The Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports tras that's
that's that's Zach Taylor kind of being a matter of fact.
And it's not that they're just that they're own three.
It's that they're own three and two of those losses
are Patriots at home and Commanders at home, and look,
the Commanders may be way better than we would have thought,
and the Patriots may be better than we would have thought.
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But the reality is that the perception is those are
two non playoff teams and they it wasn't just that
they beat you, they beat you at your place. Speaking
of that non playoff team, expect expectation, Dan Quinn's head
coach of Washington, he said this about his rookie quarterback.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
He's a really cool customer and he's got like real
poise about him. I thought, going in, we knew the
importance of the ball and you know, the decision making
for that, we just couldn't give them short fields and
chances to go. So his ability to know when to
when not to when to make a play with his legs,
I thought, we've seen a lot of this at practice
and now it's carrying over into the games where the
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decision making sliding going taking your shot. But I thought
it was a really strong performance tonight by him.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
It was a it was a very very strong performance
by him. And then the question becomes, did did the
bear screw it up? Right? Did the bear screw it up?
And and I listen, I listened to Calherd, just like
I think you all do. I love him. I think
Collin's incredibly talented, but I also might point out that
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at some point there has to be an accountability for
the player. They went out and built an entire newly
new group. Granted, their offensive line is not playing particularly well,
but this whole idea that Chicago doesn't know how to
develop quarterbacks, like the guys developing Caleb Williams are completely
different than the ones that we're trying to develop, Justin
Fields are completely different than the guys that are trying
to develop Mitchell Trubisky. At some point, you know, Trubisky
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wasn't that good. You know, Fields is winning, but it's
not because of his arm or his development. It's because
he's really good defense. He's valuing the ball, he's running
it instead of turning it over, and they're keeping everything
safe and they're just and they played a pretty soft schedule.
I do want to get to one other topic of
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the day, and this is a really interesting one. Brett
fav announced today that he has Parkinson's disease. And I
understand that now if you bring up the name Brett
Farr because of the controversy and the accusations of what
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he was doing and how he was where they were
getting money in fundraising for his all modern for his
daughter's volleyball team to build a new facility. That Brett
Farr becomes a name for many people that rivals that
of people in the Me Too movement or even you
know Diddy or any of these other guys that have
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been locked up. The fact is that if you I
have defend Brett Farr from this from this point of view,
I don't think, and there has been no proof otherwise.
I don't think that Brett Farv had any idea that
they were builking funds for the poor to fund this
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fund that fieldhouse, Like Brett fa there's a lot of things.
I don't think that's the person that he is, nor
has been proven by anybody any stretch that he had
any sort of knowledge of where that money was coming from.
Now you're just raising money for your alma manor like,
and you call people and you don't say, like, hey,
where you getting the money? I got it? No't worry
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about it, Okay, but still you say Brett Favre and
people roll their eyes. You say Brett Favro and people
talk about the you know the picture, you say Brett Favre,
and you think of, let's just be honest, Brett Favre
was kind of a cult hero. He's not the greatest
quarterback ever, but might have been the toughest quarterback ever.
(10:40):
And yeah, it's going to be really interesting. You know,
Brady on one hand looks like a million bucks, and
now he's he's posting thirst trap videos on Instagram. Then
you got Farv, who you know, had the lou Gerrig's
streak only in the NFL, right, the Ironman streak on
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in the NFL, and now it's Parkinson's and who knows
what's next? Oh yeah, by the way, you know's a
couple of the toughest quarterbacks that anyone knows, right, Jim
McMahon also suffering a ton of ill effects after playing football,
and now Brett fav as well. It's just sad. It's
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really sad Byer when you hear that, when you hear
Farv you grew up in Wisconsin. I know, not a
Packers fan, but it still is. Brett Favre, give me
your thoughts.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Well, and I got a lot of thoughts on the
Bengals too, If you want to hear those, but honestly,
with this, we'll circle back to with this, I'm honestly
not surprised or shocked this is I mean, especially on
how his career ended. You think of the concussion that
he suffered when he played for the Minnesota Vikings when
they ended up having to play where the Gophers played,
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and I think at that time that field was was
not heated because universities around the country did not have
heated football fields. And I think about that hit. It's
not Minnesota's fault. A lot of them didn't because you
weren't playing in January. But the point is, is not
surprised by that, not surprised by the guy who as
the consecutive start streak in the National Football League, played
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through everything. Yeah, the only thing that was shocking to
me was it's now this generation of players, and it's
not even that shocking because we've seen other far of
contemporaries deal with much worse from what we think were
the effects of their football career.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
We're giving you your Bengals thoughts.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
For Yeah, Well, I just I loved the Zach Taylor
the score in one score games. It was a one
score game last night because they scored at the end
of the game, and Joe Burrow, by the way, I
thought was great last night. T Higgins filling in for this,
you know, coming in after the two game absence, Jamar
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Chase finally breaking through the Bengals as an offense, I
really had no problems with. You put up correct thirty
three points.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
You can't give up them any points to a rookie.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
Yeah, fact, that's the problem. And I think that's part
of even of what Jason is saying on the bigger
picture of the National Football League. So when you look
at these games that happened this past weekend, Commanders and
Begels is awesome if you love offense, but there's no resistance.
When you look at Cowboys Ravens, you say, oh, twenty
eight twenty five must have been.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
A good game.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Well, the Cowboys were down by three scores and then
just had to rally back to make it look like
it was. It was actually close. When you kind of
go down the ledger, I like a little bit of everything.
I like momentum here, momentum there, offense here, defense there.
If it ends, you know, twenty seven to twenty four
in a good game, that's perfect. But I don't think
he got that. The game of the week was Falcon,
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it was Eagle Saints. It's fifteen to twelve, you know,
it's just it's all over the map, Packers Eagles. That
was a fun game in Brazil, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, a real fun game. But that
one in Week three didn't necessarily match up, and not
all of them are going to be fun. But I
think that's also just to the point of where this
league is and who knows what? Who knows what is
an actual upset right now? As well? That's another thing,
because I had no idea who is who?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You know, there's I watched a ton of college I
think this weekend I may have hit my mark for
most football games watched, right because you watch Thursday and there's
some college. Friday, there was college I mean again, I
was talking about I was going through my notes of
things I wanted to talk about, and I was like, man,
we hadn't even gotten to the fact that, you know,
Nebraska loss to Illinois, like Brett Bielima gets another big
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win on a Friday night. But that's those Friday night
games nobody ever discusses. It's like they didn't happen. And
then Saturday, obviously we had you know, Michigan bouncing back
after getting omped at home by Texas. They beat usc
without throwing the football, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
But what jumped out to me is the post of
quality quarterbacks. Right, Oklahoma's already made a quarterback change for
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their upcoming game to Auburn, like this is you know,
was a Jackson Arnold, Like he was supposed to be
the guy they had, Dylan Gabriel's good quarterback, and then
when he left to go to Oregon, everybody's like, don't
worry about it, We're actually going to be better. Well
they're actually been worse. The point of it is, I
think what people in college already know but maybe they're
figuring out, is there's just a post of quality quarterbacks.
There just is. And the same only at a higher
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level happens in the NFL, and that affects things as
much to any And then you couple that of the
quarterbacks that are getting paid. When you pay guys this
absorbitant amount of money, which I'm not arguing whether you
do or don't deserve it, right, you're allowed to pay
whatever percentage of the salary cap you want. But the
point is that many of these teams that have these
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star quarterbacks now have some gaping hole because they can't
afford the rest of their roster to be at the
level that it was previously. So I can't determine whether
or not the NFL's lack of offense overall offenses, there's
just not a good enough good quarterbacks or that couple.
Maybe it's coupled with the fact that the teams that
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do have the good quarterbacks don't have nearly as much
money to spend and everything.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
Yeah, I think the Bengals are a perfect example. Do
you want to continue to play games like last night?
I would say no, Well, then you can't pay Jamar
Chase Anti Higgins. You know, there's obviously going to be
a decision with one of them, because otherwise then your
defense stays exactly the same as it was correct and
they hardly touched Jayden Dad Noels last night. There's grads
of a game that it was he was he was
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really not under pressure for a majority of.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Is jersey was clean. His jersey is absolutely, absolutely, positively
positive clean.
Speaker 8 (16:53):
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Is that?
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Do you guys like the doubleheader on Monday night? I
kind of really liked it last night. Now, part of
it is I have that the YouTube TV where you
can go two box you can watch them both at once.
I just I kind of came U've come around on
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something I like. I really liked it because just like
last night, when you have one game that's crap, you
can still watch football, and the other game was good.
It wasn't that as close as the final score, but
it was still good, still good, stupid good. We have
how joins us. Of course, he's a national NFL insider
for the Athletic He joined us in the Doug Gotland
(18:05):
Show on Fox Sports Radio and Jeff. Last night we
saw the Bills absolutely eviscerate the Jacksonville Jaguars. It was
two years ago. The Jaguars had an incredible comeback to
take down the Chargers. Then they had a shot. You know,
they were playing well had a shot to beat the
Kansa City Chiefs in Kansas City, and since then now
Houston's kind of the toast of the town in their division.
(18:26):
Trevor Lawrence gets a big extension in the offseason. What's
wrong with the Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It's multi layered issues here.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Talking to people around in the league about the Jaguars today,
it's kind of stunning how far they've fallen so quickly.
And I covered both of those playoff games a couple
of years ago. I mean, that was a team that
absolutely had the feel of a young group that was
coming on to something, and then it all fell apart
last season. I mean, there's been issues with the offensive
play calling. I think there are Certainly the offensive line
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is having issue. I mean, losing a left tack Cam
Robinson was having problems protecting Trevor Lawrence all night. I
think Trevor Lawrence was having trouble with some mechanical things,
probably because he couldn't trust that the protection was always
going to hold up. Now, certainly there were some accuracy
issues that he needs to.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Reel in as well.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Defensively, I got I had nothing to say. I mean
that there was no fight. There was certainly, just not
enough pushback. I know there was some injuries, but you know,
you can't tell me that bring back let's call it
three defensive players or what have you, and all of
a sudden things are going to get a whole lot better.
I mean, this just looks like a team that's on
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the verge of a meltdown if they don't get it
fixed very very quickly.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah a what about the Bengals offense finally started to
hit on all cylinders, but the defense couldn't stop anybody
last night.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, that was a really surprising one. And you know,
to an extent there, I want to give credit to
the commanders and the offensive game plan. Jayden Day, you know,
obviously played phenomenally and Cliff Kingsbury act.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
We've stayed in the past.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Like when Cliff Kingsbury has the offense going in the
ground game, operating at a high level, he can be
a hard guy to game plan against, especially in real time.
So but with the Bengals, I mean again that that's
a team that's had an average offensive line at best.
Really since Joe Burrow became one of the league's best quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Offensively, they're still a little bit.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Out of think, although last night you wouldn't really know it,
but you know, still working their way back with the
two receivers who were unhappy with their contracts, Lust Boyd
in the offseason and free agency traded Joe Mixon. So
this is a group that's going to take a while.
That took that is taking longer than we've accustomed to
seeing with their early season struggles. But the defensive lapses,
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I mean, I trust in Lou Lou and Romo to
to kind of fix that on the fly, just because
of his track record. But you know, last night, maybe
that was more about the Commanders than the Bengals, at
least the offense versus the Cincinnati defense.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Maybe maybe, I guess, maybe how do you explain what
the Rams were able to do Sunday?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
That was incredible? I mean, talk about a jaw dropper.
They had no business winning that game and the Niners
had no business losing it, but Matt Stafford played.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Out of his mind.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I had kind of written them off, at least for
the time being, because of the amount of injuries they've had.
I mean, the offensive line injuries started in training camp.
It's looking a lot like the twenty two season when
you know, they just couldn't keep the same group together upfront,
losing Cooper Cup and Pooka and Nakua. I mean that's
I just assumed that this was a team that was
going to be way too beat up to continue competing.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
In such a tough division.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
But you know, on the other side, you got to
really beat up forty nine ers group too. But you
know you got Rock Perdy delivering a path on the
numbers to a receiver who dropped it. You know, basically
could have sealed that game. You've got to miss field
goal another opportunity to kind of put the Rams away.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
They just kept making mistakes.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I thought Rock Purty played a good game, much better
than the previous week against Flora's.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And the Vikings defense.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
But the just a team that made a lot of
uncharacteristic I guess you could argue against that being uncharacteristic,
but it's a team that made too many self inflicted
mistakes down the stretch and a RAMS group that keeps
fighting because they're well coached and that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
That is all fair, Okay, justin fields, he hasn't played great,
but they've won all the games and it's working. Were
the Bears wrong, Well, what's your Justin Fields take three
games in the season.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
They are putting him in an absolutely perfect situation. They
aren't asking Justin Field to do too much. When he
was with the Bears, he had to play almost perfect
just to give them a chance to even win, and
even sometimes that wasn't enough because of everything going on
around him. With the Steelers, they're the best defense in
the league right now. They're they're allowed, they're keeping opponents
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to an average of under ten points the game, and
Fields is you know, I was talking to people about
their quarterback situation before the season, and the majority of
people I spoke to thought that Justin Fields was better
suited to run that Steelers offense than Russell Wilson because
you can use his legs and as an asset, and
you can rely on Najie Harris in that round game.
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And we know Arthur Smith. You know, I think obviously
things fell apart for Arthur Smith in Atlanta. But if
you kind of marry all that stuff off, you call
a fairly conservative game.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
You know, some simple passes.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Now, he threw that dart on a crossing pattern for
that big game on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
That was an.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Absolutely brilliant ball. You're not going to see many balls
better than that one. So when asked to kind of
pass to lead the offense, he's done it in spurts.
But they're not forcing him to be something he's not,
and they're allowing him to kind of grow into that role.
I just I love what they're doing with him. Like
you said, he's not playing fantastic or anything. He's not
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posting massive numbers, but he's doing everything it takes to
win a football game because everything else around him is
clicking so well.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
It's really interesting to watch how you can be supported
by an organization or a really good defensive team. We
will see how long it lasts because they haven't played
the top level competition as of yet. Jeff Howe joins
us NFL Insider for the Athletic He covers the entire
National FOOTBA League. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio and of course your Mind. You
(24:39):
can download the podcast at any time and force at
the end of the show you can get all of it.
What did we learn about the Dallas Cowboys in their
inability to win yet again at home against the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
There it's their biggest concern going into the season. What
was going to happen with this defense. I mean losing
dan Quinn like he knew that was going to happen,
but bringing in zim Or that's a completely different coaching personality.
It's a completely different coaching scheme. And you know, again
talking to people around the league before the season started,
they weren't sure that it was all going to come together.
(25:14):
Certainly going to be some growing pains, and you can
run the ball on them. And when teams are committed
to running and you know they don't get greedy, you
just want to attack them up the middle.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
They're not stopping you.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
There's not a whole lot of resistance. Now, offensively, they
made some mistakes, really like bad mistakes, dropping bad passes,
you know, just dropping the ball in multiple different ways.
And you do that against the quality team like the Ravens,
you're going to dig yourself into a huge hole. Now,
they I liked the fact that they showed a lot
of fights. They tried to dig themselves out of it.
(25:46):
And you're doing it to or you tried to do
it to a Ravens team that has fallen apart quite
a bit. Over the last few years at the ends
of games and blowing big leads, so they were a
little vulnerable there. I still think that's probably somewhat of
an earned if you're Baltimore. But you know, again, defensively,
I think that's the biggest concern. I think eventually, you know,
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I'm not sure what the feeling is for the offense
because I'm skeptical of their running game, but I expect
the passing game and Dak and CDE. I expect those
guys to be fine, but they just need to be
able to compliment them. They need complimentary football, like everything
the Steelers aren't doing the Cowboys are not. They're not
running the ball as explosively as they have in the past,
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and they're certainly not stopping the run, and that's putting
a lot of pressure on the passing game.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Anthony Richardson, Can that be fixed?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
There's so much talent that I do. I do believe
that it can be.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I just I'm shocked that it's started off so poorly
because he played so well in stretches last season, and
I thought that he was ready to take a massive leap,
and you know, Shane Stiken did a really good job
last season. Got a good offensive mind, as we know
I got, you know, I've got.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Some pretty decent quarterback plays.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
So it's like our Now you get to put in
the first round pick the kid with all the talent
in the world, and all of a sudden, it's gonna
get a whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
We just haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I mean, the good thing is he's it seems like
he's staying healthy, but the performance just hasn't been great.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I haven't been able to watch them closely enough to
really know exactly what's going on with Richardson, but he's
completely inaccurate.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I've watched him two games in a row. I watch
him in person against Green Bay and just misses things,
doesn't see it. And then the other part to it, though,
is they're really not running him, and I guess, I guess,
I just wonder, And obviously we don't know how much
of that is he was hurt last year, and how
much of it is you know, Andrew Luck goot beat
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up being there and the last thing they want is
another Andrew Luck situation. But you have to run him.
I mean, that's his superpower.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, I totally agree with you there, and I think
it's to trace it to the injuries last season.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I mean, he started four games last year.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I think he got hurt in all four of those games. Now,
not necessarily like an injury report type of situation in
all four, but certainly a time when like it took
him quite a while to get off the turf in
each of those four games. So yeah, you're trying to
minimize the impact that he's taking, but you also can't
have him played with one hand tie behind his back.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
We started by talking about Jacksonville, no Stefan Diggs, no
problem thus far for the Buffalo Bills. There were many
people that thought this was a year that'd be a falloff. Granted,
let's not act like Jacksonville is great. What's your impression
of the Bills in their chase of the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
They look outstanding so far. I mean, Josh allen'son the
best player in the league through three weeks, and it
seems like they're all kind of fighting for him. They're
all playing like they believe that they have a quarterback
who can get them where they've been trying to go
for the last four years. And I think he's just
he's on an entirely different level at this point, he's
doing whatever he wants now. Again, part of that is
(29:05):
Jacksonville deserves all the criticism they've gotten for that defensive showing.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
But you know what Josh Allen is doing. You know,
this is a.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Remade wide receiver room. It's not just losing digs and
he gave Davis Now you're incorporating some younger guys, certainly
some unproven players. The other thing I like is, you
know they're mixing in the run with Cook a whole
lot more than they were last year at the start
when they were struggling so defensively. You know, we'll see
where they're able to get to in terms of their ceiling.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
But with the way Josh Allen's playing, I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
The amount of defense, the amount of pressure that he's
going to put on opposing offense is to kind of
keep up. It's that could be a situation where that
defense is just able to be opportunistic.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Jeff, great stuff as always. Man, Hey, we really appreciate
joining us. Thanks to me our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Of course, thanks all for having me. Have a good one.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You know, Dan, I actually did want to ask you
something this is kind of a This was something I
was talking with Jase stew earlier today about can you
believe how little hype there is about what shohe O
Tani has done this year. I want you to think
about something in our lifetime, not that long ago. Right,
(30:16):
we had the home run Chase, and the argument a
couple of years ago was it's Anaheim. Even remember Mike
Tradd was like, well, the Angels in Major League Baseball,
they don't know how to promote guys. He had a fifties,
had a fifty to fifty season. He's in a sixty
sixty chase, and it'd be hard for him to get there, obviously,
(30:36):
but not impossible. And yet, I mean, you know, I'm
not talking about whether or not your local news or
in LA we talk about it, or there's a mention
here there on sports and maybe some of it there
is some of it, the fact that traditional Sports center
is no longer a big thing, right, Like we all
grew up watching Keith and Dan and Steve Levy and
(30:58):
John Anderson and you know, and Ven Pelt and Boucie
Gross or whatever, and now threose guys are on. But
we don't know half the other people with Sports Center's
not kind of the same as he used to be.
But you know, they take on the uh they talk
on the Padres today they got up three games that
huge set with the Padres. They're actually playing really good baseball.
(31:20):
More than anything, this dude is unbelievable. Fifty three home
runs and fifty five stolen bases. And yet I feel
like I have to be the only I know, I'm
the only Fox guy outside of Rob Parker, probably as
he's a big baseball guy as well. Is there any
way to fix that in your in your mind?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yet?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I and if I'm wrong, you just go, hey, you're wrong.
You're not paying attention. You're in your own kind of
world of Green Bay and Packers and football. The rest
of the world is talking about it. I just don't
feel it.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
I would say, and I think that there could be
a multi two demandswers. This may be a smaller one,
but I would say if he was in New York Yankee,
I think it would be different.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Sure, but he is an LA Dodger. I grant, that's
my point. I'm with you. He's a Dodgers, aren't the Yankees.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
He's a Dodger, Yes, that's my point with it where
where it is, and I think it's an interesting look
at where those two organizations are considering. In the NBA,
we think we have all these brands, and I still
think this way, I don't. I don't think the Celtics
(32:35):
are close to what the Lakers brand is. And I
think that we saw that with the NBA title this
past year of the Celtics winning and nobody really cared.
But if the Lakers won, completely different story. I think
that that is part of it. And I know it's
crazy to say it's because he plays on the Dodgers.
I think there are so many things I think now
in sports, even in our business. If I can speak
(32:57):
on that is the NFL se to be the one
where we only actually do care about the games. The
NBA has been such a drama, you know, the fielled
season of off season and who's going to play? Instead
of your actually talking about games, we don't necessarily do
that in this medium anymore. First take is just arguing
(33:20):
about arguing, and nobody has an argument otherwise because they're
not paying attention to baseball. So there's I think that
that could play a small role in it. I also
just don't know if fifty to fifty and fifty three,
you know, fifty three, whatever you want to say, whatever
the numbers exactly are at this point, it's not the
traditional baseball stat that we love. I think it's more
(33:41):
about a player being I do look it.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I do think you did nail You did nail something there,
and maybe you put it as part of the package.
I think the fact that the first takes and back
when they had undisputed and now you have any of
these talker shows, they're like NBA drama, NFL centric shows. Now.
(34:03):
I'll also point out MLB Network does an amazing job.
I don't work for them. I'd never collected a check
for them. Okay, but when I watch, like if the student,
the set is really cool, they do really good highlights,
like if you're a baseball person, they do an amazing job.
But again I would I would challenge people to go, like,
have you ever watched their morning show? Do you ever
(34:25):
turn that on? If you're no, and you know the
first takes and even obviously Good Morning Football, but those
shows are seen as so much more popular and there's
so much money thrown into them that you inherently instinctively
watch you throw on you know in ESPN back when
you when when Shannon was there, people threw on Undisputed.
(34:46):
But they don't talk baseball now, they don't talk baseball
because everyone knows that nobody wants to talk about baseball,
or nobody here wants to listen to baseball on a
national level. I just want to point out it's historically
incredible and yet feels like very little uttered about it.
Speaker 7 (35:03):
I know we're tired on time, but I will say this,
it felt in ninety eight that we were all along
for the ride with the Cardinals in Cops, Yes, yes,
and with show. Hey, if you're going to talk about it,
you have to have one opinion or the other, and
that's that's not everybody's along for the ride.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
So maybe it's the way in which we watch sports
now is so divisible. Yeah, that's a really good one.
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I did play Aaron Hills and the USGA was kind
(36:23):
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is a Lynxy style course. It's in just a farmland
in Wisconsin, and it's a lot of that farmland was
you know, they obviously part of Wisconsin used to be
(36:45):
these these glaciers before the glaciers you know, receded and
became the Great Lakes, and so they didn't have to
move a ton of dirt fords. Really really interesting linksy
style setup with like almost the outside of the the
clubhouse is like almost like a dilapidated sort of wood
shingle sort of home. It does feel like you're kind
(37:07):
of going back in time to how golf it's and
it was raining today. It's like drizzling throughout all eighteen
holes where it does make you feel like you're playing
golf and you could drink a pint afterwards. It felt
like I was in Ireland or Scotland and I was
sitting there going like a lot is, let's go get
a pint after we get done with this round. I
did not get a pint after we get done with round.
(37:28):
But that was the when you had the Linsey style
and you had the drizzle. Yeah, that's it. It did
feel like that a little bit.
Speaker 7 (37:38):
Did you get any wind?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
No, I was lucky. I was bad enough without the wind. Sure,
that's bad enough without the wind.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
No, it's quite a test. The pros fared pretty well
at the US Open in twenty seventeen, and people are like, ah,
that's not a US Open type of course. And then
you look back at the leader board at that time,
because there were a lot of names that we just
weren't accustomed to you yet. Brooks Koepka ended up winning
his first major at that point. But yeah, quite a
(38:07):
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it buyers Remorse. Some have remorse.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
I engage, but there's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Well, tell me about it, Dan, Yeah, Doug.
Speaker 7 (38:50):
So here's the deal, and it kind of has the
NFL set up in this perfect position through three weeks
of the season. Everything that we thought was going to
happen at the beginning of the year, so much has
changed and we're not even through September. Correct, So there's
some buyers remorse on my side of things. For thinking
the Chicago Bears were going to be a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, I don't thought though they're a playoff team, but
I definitely thought they would be improved.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
I did. I thought they were going to be a
playoff team. In fact, I thought the Minnesota Vikings were
the only team from that division that we're not going
to make the playoffs, But it has been I don't
think that we are. I don't think we're doing a
great job in focusing on how bad it has been
for the Chicago Bears. They've been in competitive games, but
(39:38):
to Jason's point, it feels like everything is competitive right now.
The only game that they won was a game where
they didn't score an offensive touchdown and Caleb Williams ended
up having less than one hundred yards passing in that game.
And now you've gone back to back weeks playing against
the AFC South, losing on the road to Houston and Indianapolis.
(39:59):
And while those are close game as you also put
up thirteen and sixteen points respectively, And I honestly think
the ship has now sailed. In the Matt Eberflus Shane
Waldron Era, that offensive line is a mess. That's probably
Ryan Poles's fault, something that has been talked about by
Bill Belichick and others right now. But they did use
(40:20):
a first round pick on alignment last year. Probably could
have used another one this year in the draft, considering
who you all brought in free agent wise with Keenan Allen,
and you drafted Roma Duns all points that have been
pointed out by other people. But I don't see how
this gets right. I don't know how things show up.
And Shane Waldron was a questionable higher when it happened.
(40:42):
Jackson Smith and Jigba gave him the not so great
scathing review when asked by Chicago media outlet during Super
Bowl week of what Bears fans could expect from Shane Waldron,
and there was quite the pause in the Uh, that's
not a good sign, and don't I don't think things
are going to get better. So I am already kind
(41:03):
of disappointed in myself that I thought the Bears were
going to make the playoffs this year.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Okay, I got a little buyer's remorse. I just again,
I understand that this may come back to earth, but
I'm wrong as far as Justin Fields is concerned. I
didn't think he was a viable option. I don't. I
didn't think you could win NFL games with him. My
thought was everybody had a shot at him, and they
(41:30):
had to give up very very little financially to get him.
And he wasn't supposed to be the starter. It was
only because Russell Wilson wasn't wasn't healthy. The Steelers are
three and zero. I don't think there's any way in
which Russell Wilson gets his job back, unless unless Justin
Fields gets hurt, or it goes through just a stretch
of being terrible. And I don't think it'll be terrible,
(41:50):
But I just think he'll manage a game. But it
doesn't matter. They're winning with Justin Fields and starting quarterback.
I was wrong. That's my buyer's remorse.
Speaker 7 (41:59):
I got to another one to lay on you. Okay,
this one is going to take. This is kind of
the opposite of my Bears take, maybe more along the
lines of your Steelers take here. I want to play
two pieces of audio because we scrutinized this audio, and
we should. We did it throughout the summer. We were
so smitten with the Hard Knocks version with the New
(42:20):
York Giants. Remember when Joe Shane had this to say
about Daniel Jones.
Speaker 10 (42:26):
Yeah, great, the offensive line, and you're paying the guy
forty million dollars.
Speaker 11 (42:29):
It's not to hand them all off to a twelve
million dollars back.
Speaker 10 (42:33):
My plan is address the offensive line at some point
here at free agency.
Speaker 11 (42:38):
We're sitting at six. There was a chance there's an
offensive weapon there.
Speaker 7 (42:41):
This is the year for Daniel Okay. So that was
We took that eighteen seconds and we scrutinized it and
we looked over everything. Said, man, this is big one
for the Giants. And then in week one they get
destroyed by the Minnesota Vikings and we were ready to
fire Joe Shane and brought Dabole.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Right.
Speaker 7 (43:02):
So now look at the New York Giants and you say, yeah,
but they're one and two. Well, they just went to
Cleveland and took out the Browns, who may have their
own problems, but if Brian Dable and the Giants would
have handled their kicker position correctly, they very well could
have beaten the Washington Commanders in week two. And it
makes this minute long exchange when talking about Saquon Barkley,
(43:24):
because I know Doug the Giants, the excuse me. Yeah,
the Giants haters or the Eagles lovers are going to
point to, but look at what Saquon Barkley is doing
right now, and you could have had him. That's all
well and good, but the reality is is they weren't
going to be able to have Saquon Barkley and do
all the things that Joe Shane felt that they needed
(43:46):
to do in the sixty second exchange with team co
owner John Marraw because we're not.
Speaker 12 (43:51):
Going to franchising, Like it doesn't make any sense of
franchisings unless you think you can trade them after doing
it right, and then could we get something in trading?
What are we really going to get unless it got
down to like seven million dollars And I don't want
to offer that because I don't want to be like
we disrespected him.
Speaker 10 (44:07):
There's thirty one teams. Only takes one to you know,
maybe be open to doing something. If it doesn't get
to that, Hey, we're gonna do the right thing. We're
gonna let you hit free agency, find out your market,
come back and let us know if we can match it.
Speaker 11 (44:19):
If if we can, you know, we'll have those discussions.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
I mean, in a.
Speaker 11 (44:24):
Perfect world I'd still like to have me back.
Speaker 12 (44:26):
I just until we can prove that we can do
have a decent offense without him.
Speaker 10 (44:31):
Daniel's making a lot of money and it's the foreking
like we got to figure out is to see the guy,
so we got to protect him.
Speaker 11 (44:36):
We need to put resources there.
Speaker 10 (44:38):
We have Wallaer Belly, a healthy Wandell Hyatt Slayton. We'll
have to find a running back, but upgrade the offensive line,
give him a chance.
Speaker 11 (44:48):
Force us to take a running back in the high
then or we can still sign one. There's gonna be
guys if we're patient.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
You know.
Speaker 10 (44:56):
That ended up shaking out. Devin Singletary, who was in Houston,
played for two sais five this year.
Speaker 7 (45:01):
And Devin Singletary ended up being signed by the Giants
on a three year, sixteen and a half million dollar contract,
almost what Saquon Barkley got from the Philadelphia Eagles for
twenty twenty four. And the plan that Joe Shane laid
out was we're going to upgrade our offensive line. We're
going to get him the weapon like Molik Neighbors, who,
(45:22):
by the way, with all the court, yes, amazing, he's
been great so far. Singletary probably could should have had
two touchdowns against the Browns, but slid at the one
yard line so they could run out the clock and
get the win. The plan that Joe Shane laid out
that ipoo pooed and even said in week one, Wow,
this looks like a disaster is exactly why the Giants
have kind of turned it around over these last two
(45:43):
weeks and why Daniel Jones hasn't been as awful as
he as we thought he would be. My Lak Neighbors
has been great. Devin Singletary has been as sufficient running
back at a third of the cost of Saquon Barkley.
So that is where I have buyer's remorse that I
was so quick to jump on Joe Shane because they
gave us the access that not the other thirty one
(46:04):
teams have done, including the Chicago Bears and their version
of hard knocks. And now I think that they may
not be a playoff contending team, but they are definitely
not as bad as we thought they were and probably
should be two and one right now.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
I think it's a very very fair way of looking
at it as of now. Want my buyers remorse on
the Lions. Now I will point out that after taking
on your Seahawks on Monday night, they have a bye week,
and then have you seen their schedule? At Cowboys at Vikings,
Titans at home in Green Bay, on the road against
(46:37):
the Texans. That's in successive games. They have four or
five on the road, Titans at home. Obviously feels like
a doub but man, you're going to find out what
that team is made of. They still have to go
to the Niners. I know they have to go to
the Colts whatever, but that's where we find out. But
my thing was that the Lions. It's really hard when
your schedule is loaded up when you're you know, when
(46:59):
you play deep into the playoffs, you're going to play
a better schedule the next year. It's really hard to
replicate it when you haven't replicated it before. And so
far they look like a playoff team. I know they
lost the Buccaneers at home, that's a weird one, but
beating Arizona on the road ends up kind of equaling
things out because I think Arizona's a little bit better
than our initial perception of them. My buyer's remorse is
(47:22):
on the Detroit Lions. I picked them and finish the
last that division.
Speaker 7 (47:24):
They had red zone troubles against the Buccaneers, they had
time of the clock issues against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
They very well could be three and zero. I picked
the Lions to not only win the Super to go
to the Super Bowl, but win the Super Bowl. And
I have no reason through the first three weeks of
the season to think that they are not going to
(47:46):
do that.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
I do.
Speaker 7 (47:49):
I yeah, they tell you what. Look at the forty
nine ers right now and the issues that they're having
with injuries and trying to trying to get everybody back.
There is no guarantee that everybody is coming back the
way that they were for the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Viking seemed to be like a challenge. I think Green
Bay has actually proved quite a bit in these last
two weeks. Really curious to now see how they respond
(48:10):
with Jordan Love as their quarterback. I can't hold the
loss in Brazil against them, but still Lions. They play physical.
I don't think teams like to play that in the postseason.
And yeah, I'm still on that Lion's train.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Jay Stu, do you get any buyer's remorse you'd like
to share?
Speaker 4 (48:28):
You know, I chose to spend a very high draft
pick in an expensive fantasy league on Tyreek Hill, and
I felt awful doing it because as anyone who listens
to are in the Bonus podcast, and anyone who listens
to this show knows that I can't stand the guy.
And I think the lesson there is don't take a
(48:48):
guy that you hate, even though he's one of the
most productive players in the history of the NFL. And
now I have buyer's remorse because I hated buying it
now without a quarterback in sight, and he has looked
checked out the last two weeks. It's been embarrassing. Uh
So Tyreek Hill my buyer's remorse. Now, Dan, as in
(49:12):
the Fantasy Officion Auto, you never sell a guy hello,
So I wait for him to have a good game
and then I then.
Speaker 7 (49:20):
That's all you can hope for right now. And I
don't know if you can hope for Tua playing again
this season, but that would be your only saving grace.
Maybe there is something with Tyler Huntley this year. Didn't
seem to be something with Skyler Thompson during the time
that he played. Yes, all of the Dolphin stock, whether
it be eight chan Waddle or Tyreek Hill has gone
(49:41):
significantly down because of the TUA concussion.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
As Sam, you want to get in on this, you
get an em.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9 (49:47):
I mean I totally whiffed on the Vikings and Sam Darnold,
and I didn't give enough credit to the pieces around
him and to a young, enthusiastic, clever coach like Kevin
O'Connell making it work for Sam. So you know, I'll
totally eat that. It's great to see Sam and the
Viking succeeding. I just really did not see him performing
like this.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
You guys know I did. That's my guy. I'm super
excited about it. That, by the way, our Kids is
buyer's remorse.
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