September 25, 2024 • 36 mins
Doug weighs in on the story out of UNLV where their quarterback has decided to leave the program over an NIL deal gone wrong. Doug welcomes college football Insider Brett McMurphy onto the show to discuss the situation at UNLV. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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I don't know the coaching staff at at UNOV is
that is that? What it is? Yeah, the coaching staff
at UNOV. There's a lot to discuss, Okay, a lot
to discuss us, and we want to get to it.
(01:02):
I want to get to it. I want to educate
you on what's going on in college athletics, what this
is really all about, and and my perception of it.
This is like things that are in your wheelhouse. Who
for a college basketball coach?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
This is?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
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crown is yours. So Matt Sluca was a star quarterback
at holy Cross. Holy Cross is a What do think
about FCS now? Is that what it is? FCS? FCS?
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FCS is the old one double a right, if you're
old enough to remember what one double a football is,
that's FCS. So what happened is they're three and ohero
on the season. They've been one of the surprises of
college football, and today we found out on social media
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they've lost their quarterback for the season. Okay. Marcus Comarti
is Sluca's NIL representative. He said that Sluka was verbally
promised a minimum of one hundred thousand dollars from UNLV
coaches during his recruitment, but none of that money was paid.
Cromarty said Sluka was offered three thousand a month contract
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by the school and their NIL collective after he enrolled.
Comarty has said Sluka received a three thousand dollars travel
stipend for relocation. Rob Sein, who oversees Unov's Nile collective,
told Yahoo Sports that the collective never agreed to a
one hundred thousand dollars deal with SLUCA sign Again, who
oversees the Anio's collective, said Cromarty first introduced himself to Unov's
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collective officials in late August, seeking Moore Nio opportunities for
SLUCA sign Or. Senate said Corimarti is not a is
not a licensed agent in the state of Nevada. Nevada.
Unov said Sluca's representative made financial demands to continue playing,
which the university interpreted as a violation of NCAAA pay
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for play rules. Unov does not engage in such activities.
Unv does not engage in such activities. Okay, so what's
it all mean? Just a guess was I don't know
what was told to him, what was promised to him?
I don't. I do know that the only thing that's mattered,
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that matters is the collective agreement that you generally sign
before you start playing. Remember, he didn't have this nil
representative before he agreed to play. At UNLV. This is
after he started playing at UNOV. They met him in August.
Then he blows up, has three big games, and now
they come in saying we want more money. Whereas you know,
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V is like, well, you signed the deal for three
thousand dollars a month, Like why do we have to
pay you more money? Why do we have to pay
you more money? Why? Why? Buyer? What's your assessment of this?
I'll tell you mine in one second, Doug.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I you know this is not as much in my wheelhouse,
but it does seem like another piece of the Pandora's
box is is gone, has come about because of all
of the NIL stuff. I actually don't blame the kid.
If his story is correct and wants to play again.
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I'm not sure if he's got an NFL future, but
this may be his only opportunity to cash in on
his playing days now, this is the route that he
has to take. Or felt that he was promised, then
I back him up.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Okay, I don't know if he was promised one hundred
thousand dollars and all he got was a three thousand
dollars month. First of all, if he has promised to
one hundred thousand dollars. Why did he signed the three
thousand dollars a month deal? Right? Why did he sign
the three thousand dollars a month deal? That's the question.
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I completely agree with you, Dan completely. If he was
promised one hundred thousand dollars and all he was getting
was three thousand dollars a month, well then you know,
don't play said but that doesn't stand up to the
smell test, because the smell test says there's a signed contract. Remember,
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these NIL deals are in fact a signed contract, and
you have to when you when you meet with the team. Right,
they have what's called Alston money. That's money that every
school has. Uh, it's about three thousand dollars a semester.
It's supposed to be like an academic enhancer, but some
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people just give it to all their student athletes. You
can also you also get what's called cost of attendance
in Las Vegas. It's higher. It's the general cost of
what it would cost to live on care campus and
be a regular student. So you get a couple thousand
dollars a month, and then you get three thousand dollars
from NIL. So he's probably pocketing six seven thousand dollars
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a month. He signed a deal for anil worth three
thousand dollars a month, And my guess is and has
been reported by some, is that it doesn't matter what
his lawyers and representatives the UNLV people are Like, dude,
he agreed to the deal, had a couple of very
good games. I'm sure somebody called his representative or agent
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and said, shut it down now so you can red
shirt this year and won't pay you a million dollars
next year. Okay, if that was the case, Dan, how
would you view it?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Well, if he signed something and is now trying to
put the squeeze on UNLV, then obviously I think things
would be different.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah. Good to me.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, he's gonna come out on the losing end of
this because the one hundred thousand dollars agreement was just
a handshake deal and that obviously there was a lack
of communication between the assistant who allegedly promised this money
and the head coach. It sounds like there was a
communication breakdown there though. But ultimately, yes, he has to
take that red shirt year and sit out because he
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has no other options. Really, I don't think he's gonna
make that hundred k anywhere else. If you look at
his stats, he's he's been he's been a great leader
for them. He's not like blowing it up stat wise,
but they're three to zero for the first time in
like four decades, Like they're having one of their best
seasons in a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So okay, So what's reasonable to believe that the assistant
coach promised him a bunch of money? He signed a
deal for three thousand dollars and they like, I don't
understand how that would work.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Well, he's a young man, and sometimes when you're young,
you have to learn the hard way way that you
need things in writing. So he had a little money
to introduce him to the organization, the team and get
him incentivized. And he thought that there was a six
figure payday coming and it completely fell apart. And if
if you know, head coach otom didn't know anything about this,
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and then it's just pretty alarming.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Jase, do what do you think?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
What I'm most fascinated with with this story is this,
you have a kid who has a year of eligibility
and he wants to like probably make the most money
he'll ever make in a single year in his life.
After this no question. And I think that that's that's
a very compelling part of the story, and he does
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have the right to to red shirt. This is well
within the rules. In other words, after three games, you
could just say I'm out and then start all over
with your eligibility next year. I'm asking the room here.
I guess that's that's true. If that's the case, then
I'm intrigued by this and who will who will pony
up next year for what like a twenty five year
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old that has this guy's last week?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, lots of few O. There's just not very There's
not that many good quarterbacks. Okay, if if he was
promised the money, it was agreed to, I don't care
it's verbal whatever, then it's bull crap that he didn't
get it. But again, I'm thinking logically here, and I
want other people to understand how NIL agreements work. You're
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not supposed to be able. Coaches aren't supposed to be
able to negotiate the NIL, especially assistant coaches. You sit
with the collective, the collective gives you a contract. You
sign that contract. If you sign a contract that says
you're getting paid three thousand dollars a month from UNLV's collective.
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Then guess what you're getting. Three thousand dollars a month
plus cost of attendance plus Alston money, and that's what
you're making. And maybe maybe maybe maybe you can make
above that, okay, in some sort of bonus or if
they don't have all of your rights. It depends on
what the contract actually how it actually reads. It feels
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like based upon the idea that you signed a contract
for three thousand dollars a month, that somebody came in
and tampered told his agent runner who's not really an
agent in the state of Nevada, hey shut him down
and he can play for us. And that is awful.
That is horrendous. That is not the spirit of what
anybody would do. If you agreed to a contract for
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the entirety of the season, then you play for the
entirety of that season. Now, what it's going to cause
is it's going to cause people to rewrite their contracts
and say, again, like, you're not going to get paid.
Why should he get paid when he's not going to
render services. If you don't show up to work, if
you sign a contract to do that job, you have
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to be at that job. No excuses otherwise, no excuses
otherwise none. So I understand how it reads. But again,
this is a lot of We've seen a lot of
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this in other things. We'll get to the Brett Farvr
thing upcoming as well. Right where it reads like, man,
Brett Farvre, he got money and they were stealing it
for for people who were desperately in need. I got it,
But there is nowhere in there that Brett Farber's like, hey,
let's take the money from the people that are are poor, broken, homeless.
Like do you really think Brett Farber's that guy? I don't.
I like to think, and there's nothing that says that
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he is that guy, So I'm not. I know, people say, well,
you're just team the guy because you're the no. No, no.
I know how this works. I know how this works.
When a contract is signed and an NIL is a
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signed contract. Okay, he had a signed contract. If he
was really offered one hundred thousand dollars and he wasn't
getting one hundred thousand dollars, then guess what he should
have done. Never play a game. But that's not the reality.
If there's a signed contract for three thousand dollars a month,
then guess how much he was making three thousand dollars
a month. Don't be fooled, okay by I mean like, look,
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this is how it always works. It's never the kid,
It's always the parent or quasi want to be agent.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
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Speaker 2 (12:40):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Brett McMurphy upcoming in
a moment, the ultimate college football insider and Oklahoma State Cowboy.
He'll join us upcoming first though. You know, whenever you
need people to listen and you want to have some
fun on the radio, you do what we're going to do,
and you about the.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Let's talk about the Cowboys. Why, well, because they're the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Cowboy a right and got so Ceedee. Lamb addressed the
video of him yelling at Dak Prescott on the sideline
Sunday during the Cowboys lost the Ravens. Here's what CD
had to say.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Man, he's been a professional, being a professional about this
whole situation. I understand, and it's a long game. But
as for me and my performance, I expect a lot
on myself, more than anyone could put on me. And
quite honestly, I felt myself and obviously I felt the
team just as far as producing and being that game
breaker player for the team and obviously the guy that
they can lean on. And yeah, I kind of let it,
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let the game get to my head a little bit.
But in the same sense, I knew what I can do.
I knew what I bring to the table, and I
know what I can do on that field. So with
that being he said, going forward, there shall be different,
a difference.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
But what did he actually say? Did anybody know? Learn
what he said?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Let me tell you what he didn't say. He didn't
say that my team made me the highest paid player
at my position two weeks ago, and I'm supposed to
with that contract, act like a leader and not a
four year road on the sidewine with my quarterback. That's
what he didn't say.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
No, again, he didn't say what he said. He was
sort of accountable, but not necessarily. You know, he obviously
said he's got to do better. But what'd you say?
Why did you say it? And like you said, Jaso,
there's no real understanding of to who much is given,
more is expected, right, bet M Murphy. In a second,
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let's get to Dan Byer get a quick up date
dB what he got.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Can I hear that again? Can I? Can I just
hear that seedey lamb soundwed again?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Quickly bring down the music too.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
Man, he's been a professional, being a professional about this
whole situation under said, And it's a long game. But
as for me and my performance, I expect a lot
on myself, more than anyone could put on me. And
quite honestly, I felt myself and obviously I felt the
team just as far as producing and being that game
breaker player for the team and obviously the guy that
they can lean on. And yeah, I kind of let it,
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let the game get to my head a little bit.
But in the same sense, I knew what I can do.
I knew what I bring to the table, and I
know what I can do on that field. So with
that being said, going forward, there shall be different difference.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Okay, all right, I wanted to hear if there was
it was an apology. There wasn't. But I'm actually good
with it. I'm different than you guys. I'm actually okay
with it. So I'm okay with ceedee, lamb.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
That is a really very weird way of doing a series,
isn't it. Yes, Connecticut, and you have home court advantage,
you get the first and second game, but not the
deciding third game.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
I think it doesn't it. I was gonna say, doesn't
it strengthen your bracket to be like, Okay, we don't
want to have any upsets here, let's just have the
better team. Maybe you win the first two and move on.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I agree, But wouldn't she had more likely to win
at home? The better teams weren't likely to win at home,
so you go second and third game at home?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Right, Sure, Remember they don't want to give you a metum.
They used to do that in baseball, right mm hmm.
But I don't think it worked that well because the
team that had the home field advantage wasn't starting out
at home.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And yeah, I remember the Angels lost to the Royals.
The Royals went to the World Series, lost to the Mets.
Royals survived, I want to say, the Astros and a
big comeback in the wild card game and then swept
the Angels in three games. Well, let's welcome in Brett McMurphy.
Of course, college football insider for the Action Network. He
joins us in the Doug Gottleig Show on Fox Sports Radio. Brett,
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what's the real story of what happened to UNLV.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
I think everybody's telling a little bit of the truth.
UNLV put out a statement that basically said the kid
wanted money to play. They said, that's illegals, We're not
going to do that. EIVE said that they did not
authorize or have any scheduled payments for the kid. The
kid said an assistant coach promised him one hundred grand
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if he came to UNLV. All of those things that
can be true, Doug, and I think that's what it is.
What we haven't heard from is anybody on the coaching staff,
the assistant coach or head coach Barry Otam And so
it sounds like that the kid was promised money to
come to UNLV. He was at holy Cross and maybe
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that money would increase if he ended up winning a
starting job. Was actually a three man race in the preseason,
and that was the promise. So unfortunately he didn't have
anything in writing. Unfortunately, this is not the old days
at UNLV, or Tart would have got this taken care of.
Very quickly. And you know, like a lot of young
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men that they'd go to Las Vegas, they'd leave Las
Vegas with less money and they thought they they would have.
So it's unfortunate. Yeah, I don't, I'm if you.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Brett Brett, if he thought he was getting one hundred
thousand dollars, why would he sign a contract for three
thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 8 (18:14):
I don't know for certain if he signed a contract
or that's just a university issue contract is far no universe.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
There's no university issue contract with an NIL agreement, right,
the university issued contract. The university issued contract is a
scholarship agreement where you would have cost of attendance included.
It wouldn't be he has supposedly has an NIL agreement
that is signed that has three thousand dollars a month.
So I'm just I'm I'm again, I I'm I have
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firsthand knowledge of how this stuff worked.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
No, yeah, that's what you're going to say. Do you
know how this works? But don't you agree that if
you were a recruited student app I don't sorry, I
don't call him student athlete. If you're a recruited player, yes,
and a coach. A coach promises you, hey, buddy, come here,
let's do it, and you got a great relationship, and
YadA YadA YadA and boom bang and then you're like, okay,
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we got this promise. And then you're all set and
you're ready to go. You're syched up, everything's going good.
You start out three and oh, and now you go
back and say, hey, it's been a while, you know,
can I get that money he promised? And they're like, well, no,
you're not getting that money. This is all you're getting.
This is how I think it turned out to be.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Look, I definitely think this.
Speaker 8 (19:28):
Okay, we may never find out. No, eventually, we never
may find out. I think ultimately people that are pissed
off at the kid. If the kid wanted to screw
the school, he would have pulled this, you know, Saturday
morning about nine am. But he didn't. He did it
early in the week. We can question his modial.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Come on, I think he was promised if he again,
doesn't make any sense to sign a contract for three
thousand dollars a month in late August and then tell
us what you were promised. If you were promised one
hundred thousand dollars and you sign a contract that says
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three thousand dollars for probably ten months or something, that's
a thirty thousand dollars contract. Then you have cost of attendance,
whatever else, they kind of give whatever, whatever I would say,
they word it. But if you sign a contract for it,
that's your only expectations because the time to sit. The
time to sit would be if you were promised the money. Okay,
if you promise the money and then they give you
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a contract that says three thousand dollars a month, you're like, no, no, no,
I'm not playing at three thousand dollars a month. You
offer one hundred thosand dollars one hundred thousd dollars in
the contract.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Unless you're getting the three thousand from somebody different than
who promised you one hundred thousand, which I think is
very possible.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
How you get the money from collected, You get the
money from the collective.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Yeah, but the assistant coach is promising that the hundred
grand you know, it's yeah, like I tweeted, this was
at an SEC score, you wouldn't see his problem because SEC.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Now, yeah, you have you have those prices, you'll have
you'll have these problems where this is what my Gundy
was talking about. You're my own minor right where you
have guys that come in, they win a starting job
and they're like, hey, we get some more money, and
he's like, there is no more money.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
There's no more started right, season.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Started, which is exactly what UNLB is saying, and they're
exactly right. Nobody does that. There's no world out there
where you sign a contract to play for a season.
You sign it, you sign your you sign your name, image,
and like this into that that deal, and then you
go like, hey, I want the starting job. I want
to renegotiate. Like, that's not how it works.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
I agree, Doug. I believe though an assistant coach promised
him money outside of the he would call the collective
nil or a straight up cash whatever. I think he
was promised money in addition to this three thousand, and
he wasn't given that. And you know he didn't get
anything in writing. That's bad on him, that's bad on
his agent, that's bad on his as parents, whatever. But
(22:03):
I did you know, there's obviously a million different ways
to look at this. You know this better than I do.
There's people out there that will give you money that
may or may not be associated with the university, And
even if you have a contract with the school or
with the nil or whatever, you're still going to take
that money. And so I believe. Again, I've reached out
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to the to the kid, to his brother. Hopefully i'll
here back from him. I will text you if I do.
And I know they've talked to other people. That's the
question I want to ask is specifically, who were you
promise this money from? And it may not have been
somebody from the collective, and so that's why you know,
I understand what you're saying, but I also understand that
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there may be some other issue out there. Ultimately, I
hate to do it because it's it's a lazy take,
but that's what happens when you don't have any rules,
you know, like the NCAA rules.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, hold on, you actually do have rules. Okay. Here,
here's the thing. You you have rules of a contract.
Whatever is in the contract you are entitled to receive, okay,
and it's up to the coach. I'll just be totally
honest with you, Okay. Here's how it works here. When
we if we're going to negotiate a contract. Okay, I negotiate.
(23:24):
Do you want to count cost of attendance or not?
Cost of attendants? Cost of attendance if you live on
campus is one thing, if you live off campus is
another thing. Right, And then it's how much do you
how much are we do? We believe we should pay
you per month. That's how it works, and the collective
negotiates it, and the collective signs the deal, and the
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collective writes the checks. And if you have a you
have a signed agreement with the collective in August, you
can't wait till September three games in and then go, hey,
we're not getting paid the right amount. That's bull. That's bull.
So to say there's no rules, again, there's no necessarily
enforcement of the rules. The rules okay, but even then,
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there are the basic rules of contract law and you
are entitled to it's ever in that contract, not a
penny more, not a penny less. That's how contracts work.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
You're right, I think that the to clarify there's no
enforcement of the rules, and that's that's why we are
in this weird situation with everything regarding college athletics. And
this is similar to the the situation. I think you
may disagree. I think it's somewhat similar to the the
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situation of Florida. The quarterback left and went the Arizona State.
You know, obviously much more money. That was a nil
collected deal. But I don't think this is the last
time we're going to say anything like this. I think
we'll see more.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Okay, but the Florida thing is a The Florida thing
is a real thing. He was offered one thing, right,
then he got there and they present him with the contract,
and it wasn't what he was offered, and so he left, right,
So he left. That's okay. Somebody tells you one thing
that you're like, I need to see the contract. You
see the contract. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's not what I
thought what we agreed to. But once you sign the contract,
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signed the contract, got to play football. I don't think
I'm wrong with this. You also broke Brett mcgurfhy joining
US Action Network. You also broke that Gonzaga is going
to the Pac twelve. Since then, both sides that come
out going like, well, hold on, now, where are we
with Gonzaga and the pactal expansion?
Speaker 8 (25:40):
Yeah? So yeah, I reported Gonzagez going to the PAC twelve.
I did not. Maybe I should have specified that it's
not going to be today, it may not be tomorrow,
but they are going to the to the PAC twelve.
I've got that from vallid sources. I know everybody else
on the planet says that my reporting is in. I
through it, including their athletic director. I stand by what
(26:03):
I reported, and it will happen. Nothing has happened yet.
The PAC twelve first has to figure out who they're
going to have on their on their football side, they
need to get to eight schools. They're at seven right now.
They're trying to get UNLV. UNLB is the center of
college athletics right now. Because UNLV goes to the PAC twelve.
(26:23):
In the Mountain West is currently at seven schools, they
drop down to six. They have to get two more. Look,
if UNLV goes the PAC twelve, I think the Air
Force goes to the American so then they're down another school.
The Mountain West is trying to get the seven schools
remaining schools to sign a m and then yeah, not really,
(26:46):
it's really not they're not really doing their grand right.
So it's more of this a recommitment legal document. It's
you know, tomato tomato, and then once they get those
guys settled, then they'll go find that eighteen whoever that
will be for the Mountain West. They actually had that
deal set but it was for an eight team league.
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Utah State didn't sign it. They go to the PAC twelve.
So now that document that everybody has signed a few
days ago is then valid, so they're coming up with
a new document. Bottom line is to PAC twelve try
to get the schools from the American Memphis TULA and
usf UTSA, but they can't. They don't have any real numbers. Doug.
It's well, we're projecting our media deal is going to
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be this amount. Well, that doesn't do the American teams
any good because there's no guarantee. We're talking about contracts.
There's no signed contract to guarantee these schools moving to
the PAC twelve would get this money, so they decided
to stay in the American I think once the PAC
twelve gets their their football staff settled, and I think
it should be this week, it may be while we're
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on this call, but I got it, then I think
you'll see them make a push, and then for bringing
in God not make a push, but then I think
that's when they'll bring in Gonzaga. The addition of u
n LV to the PAC twelve would be big because
they want to build up their basketball brand. You know
basketball much much better than I do. And congratulate your
new gig. By the way, you've got a basketball league
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with San Diego State, UNLV and Gonzaga. That's that's not
too bad. And for Gonzaga, you're leaving the West Coast
where you're going to get more money even in a
lesser non power league power floor. Excuse me PAC twelve
than the old TAC twelve.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
HM.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Fascinating, fascinating, stuck out?
Speaker 8 (28:35):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Are you?
Speaker 8 (28:36):
Guys? Can you confirm you're not going to the PAC twelve?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
By the way, we can confirm that we are not
going to the pat talk.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
You may talk to your A D. You may not.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Joshes I talk to Josh.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
We do.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It'll take a minute. He he can go a little bit,
he can go a little bit. You know we are
not going to that. We're not going to PAC twelve.
I mean that you mean the you mean the Mountain
West that's calling.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
Themselves best you never know, you never know.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
What is it.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
The problem with the Mountain West is the TV money
doesn't help, but doesn't cover the buyout money to get
out of your old deals.
Speaker 8 (29:10):
Exactly right. And the Mountain West. You know you saw
the lawsuit by the PAC twelve. They signed it. They
signed it. This is what's so screwed up. They signed
a contract. It wasn't even it wasn't even a year ago.
Less than a year ago. All the Mountain West schools
signed a contract in the PAC twelve sign a contract that, oh,
if Mountain West schools go to PAC twelve, then those
schools will have to pay ten million dollars. They signed.
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Everyone signed it. Now they're saying, well, it's not valid,
it's not legal. It's they forced this. They are. It's like,
give me a break. So I don't know. I'm not
too sick of this stuff, am I. We do have
some good games this week. I'm afraid for our pokes
real quick. It doesn't look good. We got quarterback issues.
We can't stop the rod. I Kansas State to roll
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the Pokes. And I like Alabama as the underdog against Georgia.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
That's a huge game. It's not because we're Oklahoma State guys.
It's because we know what happens in Norman when they
lose two or three games. Jack Snarl was supposed to
be the dude that lasted all of what three weeks,
and now they go to a freshman. I do not
think this is a particularly good Oklahoma team, no matter
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how much they take.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
I don't know it either. I felt, I mean, I
felt like Oklahoma and I actually felt I felt like
Texas too, would struggle moving to the SEC. Look, Texas
has looked unbelievable. Let's see when they get into SEC play.
I know Mississippi State, it's not the best barometer. Once
they get into SEC play, Let's see how they do.
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For Oklahoma, I thought, Look, we're Big twelve guys, you
and I are. But the difference between the SEC and
the Big twelve is light years different. You're playing better teams,
you're playing more competitive games. You're going to get more injuries,
you're going to get more attrition. You still have the
same number of players. I looked at Oklahoma as like
a seven win team, and I still do. And it's
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amazing to me. You've got much better insight on this
than I do. How a football program, whether it's oh
you or anybody else, could basically anoint this guy to
starting quarterback and Jackson Arnold and basically run Dylan Gabriel
out of Oklahoma. And now you know, you're three games
in and now the guy's at Bob and you're bringing
in somebody else because he hadn't performed to what you
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thought he would. What were you seeing in practice for
the past two months that suddenly this guy is not
any good anymore. Their offensive line is injury riddled. They
got big issues there. I think oh U struggles because
they're in a Cup of Conference. You know, seven seven
(31:49):
wins tops is what I see them. I still think
Texas can will lose a few games they've got you know,
we get to October.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
But seven seven wins in Norman in your three you.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
Thought they were pissed when Lincoln Riley left. Wait when
they think it, I mean they'll start bringing up you
know the last time this happened was you know the
B word John Blake.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, I was there. I was there. Great stuff, man,
I really appreciate joining us.
Speaker 8 (32:19):
Hey you got it, Doug and serious congrats on the
new gig. I don't think i've talked to.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
We have not.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Thanks Pet McMurphy. College Football inside of the Action Network.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Doug got Leeb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Every day of
this time, we turn over to Dan Byron to play
a game.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
This is game time on the Doug Yeah, and by
what's the game?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
The game today.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Is for better or worse?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
All right, Doug, for better or worse? Right? Now, we'll
start out with a better one better NFL team Aints
or Falcons. Yes, this is by the way, this is
a matchup coming up on Sunday in Atlanta. I'm not
asking you to win the game, but what do you
think is a better team in the NFC South.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Wow, that's a tough question. I'm gonna go with the Falcons. Okay,
go with the Falcons. I think I thought they blew
the game the other night. Whereas I've just I'm just
not a big Derek Carr believer. Not that I think
Kirk Cousins is great after the Achilles, but I'm a
bigger He's just solid, consistent of a bigger believer.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
There, sure fair enough I pose this question during our
Sunday show that I do with Kerrie Rhodes, Fox Sports
Red Zone Radio during that Carolina Raiders game. For Better
or Worse Gardner Minshew versus Andy Dalton. Antonio Pierce gave
Gardner Minshew a vote of confidence as he'll continue to
be the starter this week. But for better or Worse
(33:53):
Gardner Minshew versus Andy Dalton Gardner.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Minshew and Dalton.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I'm gonna go any because once upon time, Any Dalton
was a starter on a playoff team. Gardner Minshew is
kind of like you call a spot starter. So I'll
go I'll go any Dalton. I know he's a little
bit longer in the tooth, obviously, sure, but Any Dalton
ceiling is still better, still higher, all.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Right, Doug. For better or Worse, we're talking what story
is better or worse? The Vikings three and oh start
versus the Steelers three and oh start.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I think the Viking story is better, better, better, and
Sam Donald, you know, bounced around, bounce around. They lose
their start, first string quarterback Kirk cousins In is in
Atlanta whatever, and here they are three. No, that's a
better store than Pittsburgh, who you know, look, great defense,
average offense at best and finding a way. That's kind
of Pittsburgh football, all right.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Now, the other side of the coin, for better or worse,
which story is worse? Jaguars ow and three start or
the Bengals own three start.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Bengals own three start is worse because there's much greater expectations.
Ah yeah, I know, Well let me, can I reach,
let me I'm gonna go. Jaguars is worse because at
least Joe Burrow is played well last couple of games.
Sure like he played really well, and they like at
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least that you feel like you're still gonna get your
money's worth of the Joe Burrow. Whereas with Trevor Lawrence,
you got to keep asking yourself like, man, at some point,
are we going to say it's not a bust? But
we just have to massively lower our expectations?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
All right? For better or worse, Doug the new membership
Big Ten versus the Big twelve, who's been better, who's
been worse? The new teams in the Big twelve versus
the new schools and the Big Ten? Then, so like
Utah winning, I know, is that a bigger boom for
the Big twelve as opposed to maybe a you known
(35:48):
Oregon team that's a little higher. USC ended up taking
one on the chin Colorado's three and one.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, but USCBTLSU that helps you not in conference. I'll
go the new Big ten better than being NEWBEG twelve.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
All right, and that's game time.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
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It's way tire buying should be welcome in Hope. You're
having a wonderful, wonderful day, and I think lots of
people are every wonderful days, with the exception of maybe
I don't know the coaching staff at at UNOV is
that is that? What it is? Yeah, the coaching staff
at UNOV. There's a lot to discuss, Okay, a lot
to discuss us, and we want to get to it.
(01:02):
I want to get to it. I want to educate
you on what's going on in college athletics, what this
is really all about, and and my perception of it.
This is like things that are in your wheelhouse. Who
for a college basketball coach?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
This is?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
This is frankly pretty awesome. This show is sponsored by DraftKings.
Stay tuned because you'll hear more about Draft Kings and
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crown is yours. So Matt Sluca was a star quarterback
at holy Cross. Holy Cross is a What do think
about FCS now? Is that what it is? FCS? FCS?
(01:39):
FCS is the old one double a right, if you're
old enough to remember what one double a football is,
that's FCS. So what happened is they're three and ohero
on the season. They've been one of the surprises of
college football, and today we found out on social media
(02:00):
they've lost their quarterback for the season. Okay. Marcus Comarti
is Sluca's NIL representative. He said that Sluka was verbally
promised a minimum of one hundred thousand dollars from UNLV
coaches during his recruitment, but none of that money was paid.
Cromarty said Sluka was offered three thousand a month contract
(02:22):
by the school and their NIL collective after he enrolled.
Comarty has said Sluka received a three thousand dollars travel
stipend for relocation. Rob Sein, who oversees Unov's Nile collective,
told Yahoo Sports that the collective never agreed to a
one hundred thousand dollars deal with SLUCA sign Again, who
oversees the Anio's collective, said Cromarty first introduced himself to Unov's
(02:45):
collective officials in late August, seeking Moore Nio opportunities for
SLUCA sign Or. Senate said Corimarti is not a is
not a licensed agent in the state of Nevada. Nevada.
Unov said Sluca's representative made financial demands to continue playing,
which the university interpreted as a violation of NCAAA pay
(03:09):
for play rules. Unov does not engage in such activities.
Unv does not engage in such activities. Okay, so what's
it all mean? Just a guess was I don't know
what was told to him, what was promised to him?
I don't. I do know that the only thing that's mattered,
(03:31):
that matters is the collective agreement that you generally sign
before you start playing. Remember, he didn't have this nil
representative before he agreed to play. At UNLV. This is
after he started playing at UNOV. They met him in August.
Then he blows up, has three big games, and now
they come in saying we want more money. Whereas you know,
(03:53):
V is like, well, you signed the deal for three
thousand dollars a month, Like why do we have to
pay you more money? Why do we have to pay
you more money? Why? Why? Buyer? What's your assessment of this?
I'll tell you mine in one second, Doug.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I you know this is not as much in my wheelhouse,
but it does seem like another piece of the Pandora's
box is is gone, has come about because of all
of the NIL stuff. I actually don't blame the kid.
If his story is correct and wants to play again.
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I'm not sure if he's got an NFL future, but
this may be his only opportunity to cash in on
his playing days now, this is the route that he
has to take. Or felt that he was promised, then
I back him up.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Okay, I don't know if he was promised one hundred
thousand dollars and all he got was a three thousand
dollars month. First of all, if he has promised to
one hundred thousand dollars. Why did he signed the three
thousand dollars a month deal? Right? Why did he sign
the three thousand dollars a month deal? That's the question.
(05:06):
I completely agree with you, Dan completely. If he was
promised one hundred thousand dollars and all he was getting
was three thousand dollars a month, well then you know,
don't play said but that doesn't stand up to the
smell test, because the smell test says there's a signed contract. Remember,
(05:27):
these NIL deals are in fact a signed contract, and
you have to when you when you meet with the team. Right,
they have what's called Alston money. That's money that every
school has. Uh, it's about three thousand dollars a semester.
It's supposed to be like an academic enhancer, but some
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people just give it to all their student athletes. You
can also you also get what's called cost of attendance
in Las Vegas. It's higher. It's the general cost of
what it would cost to live on care campus and
be a regular student. So you get a couple thousand
dollars a month, and then you get three thousand dollars
from NIL. So he's probably pocketing six seven thousand dollars
(06:10):
a month. He signed a deal for anil worth three
thousand dollars a month, And my guess is and has
been reported by some, is that it doesn't matter what
his lawyers and representatives the UNLV people are Like, dude,
he agreed to the deal, had a couple of very
good games. I'm sure somebody called his representative or agent
(06:32):
and said, shut it down now so you can red
shirt this year and won't pay you a million dollars
next year. Okay, if that was the case, Dan, how
would you view it?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Well, if he signed something and is now trying to
put the squeeze on UNLV, then obviously I think things
would be different.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah. Good to me.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, he's gonna come out on the losing end of
this because the one hundred thousand dollars agreement was just
a handshake deal and that obviously there was a lack
of communication between the assistant who allegedly promised this money
and the head coach. It sounds like there was a
communication breakdown there though. But ultimately, yes, he has to
take that red shirt year and sit out because he
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has no other options. Really, I don't think he's gonna
make that hundred k anywhere else. If you look at
his stats, he's he's been he's been a great leader
for them. He's not like blowing it up stat wise,
but they're three to zero for the first time in
like four decades, Like they're having one of their best
seasons in a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So okay, So what's reasonable to believe that the assistant
coach promised him a bunch of money? He signed a
deal for three thousand dollars and they like, I don't
understand how that would work.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Well, he's a young man, and sometimes when you're young,
you have to learn the hard way way that you
need things in writing. So he had a little money
to introduce him to the organization, the team and get
him incentivized. And he thought that there was a six
figure payday coming and it completely fell apart. And if
if you know, head coach otom didn't know anything about this,
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and then it's just pretty alarming.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Jase, do what do you think?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
What I'm most fascinated with with this story is this,
you have a kid who has a year of eligibility
and he wants to like probably make the most money
he'll ever make in a single year in his life.
After this no question. And I think that that's that's
a very compelling part of the story, and he does
(08:42):
have the right to to red shirt. This is well
within the rules. In other words, after three games, you
could just say I'm out and then start all over
with your eligibility next year. I'm asking the room here.
I guess that's that's true. If that's the case, then
I'm intrigued by this and who will who will pony
up next year for what like a twenty five year
(09:03):
old that has this guy's last week?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, lots of few O. There's just not very There's
not that many good quarterbacks. Okay, if if he was
promised the money, it was agreed to, I don't care
it's verbal whatever, then it's bull crap that he didn't
get it. But again, I'm thinking logically here, and I
want other people to understand how NIL agreements work. You're
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not supposed to be able. Coaches aren't supposed to be
able to negotiate the NIL, especially assistant coaches. You sit
with the collective, the collective gives you a contract. You
sign that contract. If you sign a contract that says
you're getting paid three thousand dollars a month from UNLV's collective.
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Then guess what you're getting. Three thousand dollars a month
plus cost of attendance plus Alston money, and that's what
you're making. And maybe maybe maybe maybe you can make
above that, okay, in some sort of bonus or if
they don't have all of your rights. It depends on
what the contract actually how it actually reads. It feels
(10:11):
like based upon the idea that you signed a contract
for three thousand dollars a month, that somebody came in
and tampered told his agent runner who's not really an
agent in the state of Nevada, hey shut him down
and he can play for us. And that is awful.
That is horrendous. That is not the spirit of what
anybody would do. If you agreed to a contract for
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the entirety of the season, then you play for the
entirety of that season. Now, what it's going to cause
is it's going to cause people to rewrite their contracts
and say, again, like, you're not going to get paid.
Why should he get paid when he's not going to
render services. If you don't show up to work, if
you sign a contract to do that job, you have
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to be at that job. No excuses otherwise, no excuses
otherwise none. So I understand how it reads. But again,
this is a lot of We've seen a lot of
(11:15):
this in other things. We'll get to the Brett Farvr
thing upcoming as well. Right where it reads like, man,
Brett Farvre, he got money and they were stealing it
for for people who were desperately in need. I got it,
But there is nowhere in there that Brett Farber's like, hey,
let's take the money from the people that are are poor, broken, homeless.
Like do you really think Brett Farber's that guy? I don't.
I like to think, and there's nothing that says that
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he is that guy, So I'm not. I know, people say, well,
you're just team the guy because you're the no. No, no.
I know how this works. I know how this works.
When a contract is signed and an NIL is a
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signed contract. Okay, he had a signed contract. If he
was really offered one hundred thousand dollars and he wasn't
getting one hundred thousand dollars, then guess what he should
have done. Never play a game. But that's not the reality.
If there's a signed contract for three thousand dollars a month,
then guess how much he was making three thousand dollars
a month. Don't be fooled, okay by I mean like, look,
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this is how it always works. It's never the kid,
It's always the parent or quasi want to be agent.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
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Speaker 2 (12:40):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Brett McMurphy upcoming in
a moment, the ultimate college football insider and Oklahoma State Cowboy.
He'll join us upcoming first though. You know, whenever you
need people to listen and you want to have some
fun on the radio, you do what we're going to do,
and you about the.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Let's talk about the Cowboys. Why, well, because they're the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Cowboy a right and got so Ceedee. Lamb addressed the
video of him yelling at Dak Prescott on the sideline
Sunday during the Cowboys lost the Ravens. Here's what CD
had to say.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Man, he's been a professional, being a professional about this
whole situation. I understand, and it's a long game. But
as for me and my performance, I expect a lot
on myself, more than anyone could put on me. And
quite honestly, I felt myself and obviously I felt the
team just as far as producing and being that game
breaker player for the team and obviously the guy that
they can lean on. And yeah, I kind of let it,
(13:53):
let the game get to my head a little bit.
But in the same sense, I knew what I can do.
I knew what I bring to the table, and I
know what I can do on that field. So with
that being he said, going forward, there shall be different,
a difference.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
But what did he actually say? Did anybody know? Learn
what he said?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Let me tell you what he didn't say. He didn't
say that my team made me the highest paid player
at my position two weeks ago, and I'm supposed to
with that contract, act like a leader and not a
four year road on the sidewine with my quarterback. That's
what he didn't say.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
No, again, he didn't say what he said. He was
sort of accountable, but not necessarily. You know, he obviously
said he's got to do better. But what'd you say?
Why did you say it? And like you said, Jaso,
there's no real understanding of to who much is given,
more is expected, right, bet M Murphy. In a second,
(14:46):
let's get to Dan Byer get a quick up date
dB what he got.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Can I hear that again? Can I? Can I just
hear that seedey lamb soundwed again?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Quickly bring down the music too.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
Man, he's been a professional, being a professional about this
whole situation under said, And it's a long game. But
as for me and my performance, I expect a lot
on myself, more than anyone could put on me. And
quite honestly, I felt myself and obviously I felt the
team just as far as producing and being that game
breaker player for the team and obviously the guy that
they can lean on. And yeah, I kind of let it,
(15:17):
let the game get to my head a little bit.
But in the same sense, I knew what I can do.
I knew what I bring to the table, and I
know what I can do on that field. So with
that being said, going forward, there shall be different difference.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Okay, all right, I wanted to hear if there was
it was an apology. There wasn't. But I'm actually good
with it. I'm different than you guys. I'm actually okay
with it. So I'm okay with ceedee, lamb.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
That is a really very weird way of doing a series,
isn't it. Yes, Connecticut, and you have home court advantage,
you get the first and second game, but not the
deciding third game.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
I think it doesn't it. I was gonna say, doesn't
it strengthen your bracket to be like, Okay, we don't
want to have any upsets here, let's just have the
better team. Maybe you win the first two and move on.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I agree, But wouldn't she had more likely to win
at home? The better teams weren't likely to win at home,
so you go second and third game at home?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Right, Sure, Remember they don't want to give you a metum.
They used to do that in baseball, right mm hmm.
But I don't think it worked that well because the
team that had the home field advantage wasn't starting out
at home.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And yeah, I remember the Angels lost to the Royals.
The Royals went to the World Series, lost to the Mets.
Royals survived, I want to say, the Astros and a
big comeback in the wild card game and then swept
the Angels in three games. Well, let's welcome in Brett McMurphy.
Of course, college football insider for the Action Network. He
joins us in the Doug Gottleig Show on Fox Sports Radio. Brett,
(16:44):
what's the real story of what happened to UNLV.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
I think everybody's telling a little bit of the truth.
UNLV put out a statement that basically said the kid
wanted money to play. They said, that's illegals, We're not
going to do that. EIVE said that they did not
authorize or have any scheduled payments for the kid. The
kid said an assistant coach promised him one hundred grand
(17:11):
if he came to UNLV. All of those things that
can be true, Doug, and I think that's what it is.
What we haven't heard from is anybody on the coaching staff,
the assistant coach or head coach Barry Otam And so
it sounds like that the kid was promised money to
come to UNLV. He was at holy Cross and maybe
(17:33):
that money would increase if he ended up winning a
starting job. Was actually a three man race in the preseason,
and that was the promise. So unfortunately he didn't have
anything in writing. Unfortunately, this is not the old days
at UNLV, or Tart would have got this taken care of.
Very quickly. And you know, like a lot of young
(17:56):
men that they'd go to Las Vegas, they'd leave Las
Vegas with less money and they thought they they would have.
So it's unfortunate. Yeah, I don't, I'm if you.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Brett Brett, if he thought he was getting one hundred
thousand dollars, why would he sign a contract for three
thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 8 (18:14):
I don't know for certain if he signed a contract
or that's just a university issue contract is far no universe.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
There's no university issue contract with an NIL agreement, right,
the university issued contract. The university issued contract is a
scholarship agreement where you would have cost of attendance included.
It wouldn't be he has supposedly has an NIL agreement
that is signed that has three thousand dollars a month.
So I'm just I'm I'm again, I I'm I have
(18:42):
firsthand knowledge of how this stuff worked.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
No, yeah, that's what you're going to say. Do you
know how this works? But don't you agree that if
you were a recruited student app I don't sorry, I
don't call him student athlete. If you're a recruited player, yes,
and a coach. A coach promises you, hey, buddy, come here,
let's do it, and you got a great relationship, and
YadA YadA YadA and boom bang and then you're like, okay,
(19:06):
we got this promise. And then you're all set and
you're ready to go. You're syched up, everything's going good.
You start out three and oh, and now you go
back and say, hey, it's been a while, you know,
can I get that money he promised? And they're like, well, no,
you're not getting that money. This is all you're getting.
This is how I think it turned out to be.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Look, I definitely think this.
Speaker 8 (19:28):
Okay, we may never find out. No, eventually, we never
may find out. I think ultimately people that are pissed
off at the kid. If the kid wanted to screw
the school, he would have pulled this, you know, Saturday
morning about nine am. But he didn't. He did it
early in the week. We can question his modial.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Come on, I think he was promised if he again,
doesn't make any sense to sign a contract for three
thousand dollars a month in late August and then tell
us what you were promised. If you were promised one
hundred thousand dollars and you sign a contract that says
(20:07):
three thousand dollars for probably ten months or something, that's
a thirty thousand dollars contract. Then you have cost of attendance,
whatever else, they kind of give whatever, whatever I would say,
they word it. But if you sign a contract for it,
that's your only expectations because the time to sit. The
time to sit would be if you were promised the money. Okay,
if you promise the money and then they give you
(20:28):
a contract that says three thousand dollars a month, you're like, no, no, no,
I'm not playing at three thousand dollars a month. You
offer one hundred thosand dollars one hundred thousd dollars in
the contract.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Unless you're getting the three thousand from somebody different than
who promised you one hundred thousand, which I think is
very possible.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
How you get the money from collected, You get the
money from the collective.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Yeah, but the assistant coach is promising that the hundred
grand you know, it's yeah, like I tweeted, this was
at an SEC score, you wouldn't see his problem because SEC.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Now, yeah, you have you have those prices, you'll have
you'll have these problems where this is what my Gundy
was talking about. You're my own minor right where you
have guys that come in, they win a starting job
and they're like, hey, we get some more money, and
he's like, there is no more money.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
There's no more started right, season.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Started, which is exactly what UNLB is saying, and they're
exactly right. Nobody does that. There's no world out there
where you sign a contract to play for a season.
You sign it, you sign your you sign your name, image,
and like this into that that deal, and then you
go like, hey, I want the starting job. I want
to renegotiate. Like, that's not how it works.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
I agree, Doug. I believe though an assistant coach promised
him money outside of the he would call the collective
nil or a straight up cash whatever. I think he
was promised money in addition to this three thousand, and
he wasn't given that. And you know he didn't get
anything in writing. That's bad on him, that's bad on
his agent, that's bad on his as parents, whatever. But
(22:03):
I did you know, there's obviously a million different ways
to look at this. You know this better than I do.
There's people out there that will give you money that
may or may not be associated with the university, And
even if you have a contract with the school or
with the nil or whatever, you're still going to take
that money. And so I believe. Again, I've reached out
(22:27):
to the to the kid, to his brother. Hopefully i'll
here back from him. I will text you if I do.
And I know they've talked to other people. That's the
question I want to ask is specifically, who were you
promise this money from? And it may not have been
somebody from the collective, and so that's why you know,
I understand what you're saying, but I also understand that
(22:48):
there may be some other issue out there. Ultimately, I
hate to do it because it's it's a lazy take,
but that's what happens when you don't have any rules,
you know, like the NCAA rules.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, hold on, you actually do have rules. Okay. Here,
here's the thing. You you have rules of a contract.
Whatever is in the contract you are entitled to receive, okay,
and it's up to the coach. I'll just be totally
honest with you, Okay. Here's how it works here. When
we if we're going to negotiate a contract. Okay, I negotiate.
(23:24):
Do you want to count cost of attendance or not?
Cost of attendants? Cost of attendance if you live on
campus is one thing, if you live off campus is
another thing. Right, And then it's how much do you
how much are we do? We believe we should pay
you per month. That's how it works, and the collective
negotiates it, and the collective signs the deal, and the
(23:44):
collective writes the checks. And if you have a you
have a signed agreement with the collective in August, you
can't wait till September three games in and then go, hey,
we're not getting paid the right amount. That's bull. That's bull.
So to say there's no rules, again, there's no necessarily
enforcement of the rules. The rules okay, but even then,
(24:08):
there are the basic rules of contract law and you
are entitled to it's ever in that contract, not a
penny more, not a penny less. That's how contracts work.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
You're right, I think that the to clarify there's no
enforcement of the rules, and that's that's why we are
in this weird situation with everything regarding college athletics. And
this is similar to the the situation. I think you
may disagree. I think it's somewhat similar to the the
(24:43):
situation of Florida. The quarterback left and went the Arizona State.
You know, obviously much more money. That was a nil
collected deal. But I don't think this is the last
time we're going to say anything like this. I think
we'll see more.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Okay, but the Florida thing is a The Florida thing
is a real thing. He was offered one thing, right,
then he got there and they present him with the contract,
and it wasn't what he was offered, and so he left, right,
So he left. That's okay. Somebody tells you one thing
that you're like, I need to see the contract. You
see the contract. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's not what I
thought what we agreed to. But once you sign the contract,
(25:21):
signed the contract, got to play football. I don't think
I'm wrong with this. You also broke Brett mcgurfhy joining
US Action Network. You also broke that Gonzaga is going
to the Pac twelve. Since then, both sides that come
out going like, well, hold on, now, where are we
with Gonzaga and the pactal expansion?
Speaker 8 (25:40):
Yeah? So yeah, I reported Gonzagez going to the PAC twelve.
I did not. Maybe I should have specified that it's
not going to be today, it may not be tomorrow,
but they are going to the to the PAC twelve.
I've got that from vallid sources. I know everybody else
on the planet says that my reporting is in. I
through it, including their athletic director. I stand by what
(26:03):
I reported, and it will happen. Nothing has happened yet.
The PAC twelve first has to figure out who they're
going to have on their on their football side, they
need to get to eight schools. They're at seven right now.
They're trying to get UNLV. UNLB is the center of
college athletics right now. Because UNLV goes to the PAC twelve.
(26:23):
In the Mountain West is currently at seven schools, they
drop down to six. They have to get two more. Look,
if UNLV goes the PAC twelve, I think the Air
Force goes to the American so then they're down another school.
The Mountain West is trying to get the seven schools
remaining schools to sign a m and then yeah, not really,
(26:46):
it's really not they're not really doing their grand right.
So it's more of this a recommitment legal document. It's
you know, tomato tomato, and then once they get those
guys settled, then they'll go find that eighteen whoever that
will be for the Mountain West. They actually had that
deal set but it was for an eight team league.
(27:06):
Utah State didn't sign it. They go to the PAC twelve.
So now that document that everybody has signed a few
days ago is then valid, so they're coming up with
a new document. Bottom line is to PAC twelve try
to get the schools from the American Memphis TULA and
usf UTSA, but they can't. They don't have any real numbers. Doug.
It's well, we're projecting our media deal is going to
(27:28):
be this amount. Well, that doesn't do the American teams
any good because there's no guarantee. We're talking about contracts.
There's no signed contract to guarantee these schools moving to
the PAC twelve would get this money, so they decided
to stay in the American I think once the PAC
twelve gets their their football staff settled, and I think
it should be this week, it may be while we're
(27:50):
on this call, but I got it, then I think
you'll see them make a push, and then for bringing
in God not make a push, but then I think
that's when they'll bring in Gonzaga. The addition of u
n LV to the PAC twelve would be big because
they want to build up their basketball brand. You know
basketball much much better than I do. And congratulate your
new gig. By the way, you've got a basketball league
(28:13):
with San Diego State, UNLV and Gonzaga. That's that's not
too bad. And for Gonzaga, you're leaving the West Coast
where you're going to get more money even in a
lesser non power league power floor. Excuse me PAC twelve
than the old TAC twelve.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
HM.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Fascinating, fascinating, stuck out?
Speaker 8 (28:35):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Are you?
Speaker 8 (28:36):
Guys? Can you confirm you're not going to the PAC twelve?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
By the way, we can confirm that we are not
going to the pat talk.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
You may talk to your A D. You may not.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Joshes I talk to Josh.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
We do.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It'll take a minute. He he can go a little bit,
he can go a little bit. You know we are
not going to that. We're not going to PAC twelve.
I mean that you mean the you mean the Mountain
West that's calling.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
Themselves best you never know, you never know.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
What is it.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
The problem with the Mountain West is the TV money
doesn't help, but doesn't cover the buyout money to get
out of your old deals.
Speaker 8 (29:10):
Exactly right. And the Mountain West. You know you saw
the lawsuit by the PAC twelve. They signed it. They
signed it. This is what's so screwed up. They signed
a contract. It wasn't even it wasn't even a year ago.
Less than a year ago. All the Mountain West schools
signed a contract in the PAC twelve sign a contract that, oh,
if Mountain West schools go to PAC twelve, then those
schools will have to pay ten million dollars. They signed.
(29:33):
Everyone signed it. Now they're saying, well, it's not valid,
it's not legal. It's they forced this. They are. It's like,
give me a break. So I don't know. I'm not
too sick of this stuff, am I. We do have
some good games this week. I'm afraid for our pokes
real quick. It doesn't look good. We got quarterback issues.
We can't stop the rod. I Kansas State to roll
(29:55):
the Pokes. And I like Alabama as the underdog against Georgia.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
That's a huge game. It's not because we're Oklahoma State guys.
It's because we know what happens in Norman when they
lose two or three games. Jack Snarl was supposed to
be the dude that lasted all of what three weeks,
and now they go to a freshman. I do not
think this is a particularly good Oklahoma team, no matter
(30:22):
how much they take.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
I don't know it either. I felt, I mean, I
felt like Oklahoma and I actually felt I felt like
Texas too, would struggle moving to the SEC. Look, Texas
has looked unbelievable. Let's see when they get into SEC play.
I know Mississippi State, it's not the best barometer. Once
they get into SEC play, Let's see how they do.
(30:44):
For Oklahoma, I thought, Look, we're Big twelve guys, you
and I are. But the difference between the SEC and
the Big twelve is light years different. You're playing better teams,
you're playing more competitive games. You're going to get more injuries,
you're going to get more attrition. You still have the
same number of players. I looked at Oklahoma as like
a seven win team, and I still do. And it's
(31:05):
amazing to me. You've got much better insight on this
than I do. How a football program, whether it's oh
you or anybody else, could basically anoint this guy to
starting quarterback and Jackson Arnold and basically run Dylan Gabriel
out of Oklahoma. And now you know, you're three games
in and now the guy's at Bob and you're bringing
in somebody else because he hadn't performed to what you
(31:28):
thought he would. What were you seeing in practice for
the past two months that suddenly this guy is not
any good anymore. Their offensive line is injury riddled. They
got big issues there. I think oh U struggles because
they're in a Cup of Conference. You know, seven seven
(31:49):
wins tops is what I see them. I still think
Texas can will lose a few games they've got you know,
we get to October.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
But seven seven wins in Norman in your three you.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
Thought they were pissed when Lincoln Riley left. Wait when
they think it, I mean they'll start bringing up you
know the last time this happened was you know the
B word John Blake.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, I was there. I was there. Great stuff, man,
I really appreciate joining us.
Speaker 8 (32:19):
Hey you got it, Doug and serious congrats on the
new gig. I don't think i've talked to.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
We have not.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Thanks Pet McMurphy. College Football inside of the Action Network.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Doug got Leeb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Every day of
this time, we turn over to Dan Byron to play
a game.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
This is game time on the Doug Yeah, and by
what's the game?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
The game today.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Is for better or worse?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
All right, Doug, for better or worse? Right? Now, we'll
start out with a better one better NFL team Aints
or Falcons. Yes, this is by the way, this is
a matchup coming up on Sunday in Atlanta. I'm not
asking you to win the game, but what do you
think is a better team in the NFC South.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Wow, that's a tough question. I'm gonna go with the Falcons. Okay,
go with the Falcons. I think I thought they blew
the game the other night. Whereas I've just I'm just
not a big Derek Carr believer. Not that I think
Kirk Cousins is great after the Achilles, but I'm a
bigger He's just solid, consistent of a bigger believer.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
There, sure fair enough I pose this question during our
Sunday show that I do with Kerrie Rhodes, Fox Sports
Red Zone Radio during that Carolina Raiders game. For Better
or Worse Gardner Minshew versus Andy Dalton. Antonio Pierce gave
Gardner Minshew a vote of confidence as he'll continue to
be the starter this week. But for better or Worse
(33:53):
Gardner Minshew versus Andy Dalton Gardner.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Minshew and Dalton.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I'm gonna go any because once upon time, Any Dalton
was a starter on a playoff team. Gardner Minshew is
kind of like you call a spot starter. So I'll
go I'll go any Dalton. I know he's a little
bit longer in the tooth, obviously, sure, but Any Dalton
ceiling is still better, still higher, all.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Right, Doug. For better or Worse, we're talking what story
is better or worse? The Vikings three and oh start
versus the Steelers three and oh start.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I think the Viking story is better, better, better, and
Sam Donald, you know, bounced around, bounce around. They lose
their start, first string quarterback Kirk cousins In is in
Atlanta whatever, and here they are three. No, that's a
better store than Pittsburgh, who you know, look, great defense,
average offense at best and finding a way. That's kind
of Pittsburgh football, all right.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Now, the other side of the coin, for better or worse,
which story is worse? Jaguars ow and three start or
the Bengals own three start.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Bengals own three start is worse because there's much greater expectations.
Ah yeah, I know, Well let me, can I reach,
let me I'm gonna go. Jaguars is worse because at
least Joe Burrow is played well last couple of games.
Sure like he played really well, and they like at
(35:15):
least that you feel like you're still gonna get your
money's worth of the Joe Burrow. Whereas with Trevor Lawrence,
you got to keep asking yourself like, man, at some point,
are we going to say it's not a bust? But
we just have to massively lower our expectations?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
All right? For better or worse, Doug the new membership
Big Ten versus the Big twelve, who's been better, who's
been worse? The new teams in the Big twelve versus
the new schools and the Big Ten? Then, so like
Utah winning, I know, is that a bigger boom for
the Big twelve as opposed to maybe a you known
(35:48):
Oregon team that's a little higher. USC ended up taking
one on the chin Colorado's three and one.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, but USCBTLSU that helps you not in conference. I'll
go the new Big ten better than being NEWBEG twelve.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
All right, and that's game time.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
That's game This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Show, Doug gotlic Show, Fox Sports Radio. All right, coming
up next hour, we'll get to the midway. What NFL
team will you go out of your way to watch?
And why that's next to Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio.
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