October 11, 2024 • 24 mins
Doug riffs on the weekend of college football. Doug reacts to a take by John Smoltz about the Padres-Dodgers series. Doug chooses among deserving candidates that Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Jason Kelce makes today's edition of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show Years in
the Bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What Up Doug Gotlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio,
I Heart Radio app Welcome, Welcome, welcome in a lot
of stuff going on this weekend in college football. Course
you have what Ole Miss goes to LSU. You got
the Red River rivalry. I'll tell you the game I'm
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most looking forward to. That's k State taking on Colorado.
They haven't played since twenty ten. And of course it
goes back to the Big Eight days. The Big Eight
was in the mid nineties. Last you're of the Big
Eight Wildcats. They like to run the football. They're gonna
mash you. And both teams, by the way, are coming
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off of bye week, and both teams are off to
a really good start.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Their defense is pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
They're going against an outstanding, outstanding run game. And it's
really interesting, right, you have one team that doesn't and
can't run the football in Colorado, one that can and
may struggle at times to throw the football in Kansas State.
And who wins that? And as much as we all
want to say, yeah, the team that throws it, that's arcane.
That's the thing in the past. I mean, the reality
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is that the physicality of a team that runs the
football a ton should carry them through, especially early the
season and with younger players. Do I think Texas beats
Oklahoma badly? I do. Do I think Ole Miss should
have slipped further than the rankings, I do? But both
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of those will take care of themselves organically. To me,
this one, this is not about either. This is about Colorado,
who loves to throw it, kind of plays with panache. Right,
They've been annoying before they won year annoying a ton
going against the kse at that's just solid, tough, and
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to some extent boring.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Let's get to what the Fox says and now I'd
say every day of this.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Time in the Bonus podcast on The Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Play for your portion of a previous
show on Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One. Here's Brady
Quinn talking about how the forty nine ers went into
Seattle and won.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
It's a crazy place. It's why last night's victory and
the way San Francisco did it is by design. They
know it's a divisional opponent. In order to be able
to not allow that crowd to get into it, you
got to start off fast, you got to find a
way of taking the lead. Then you have to really
stay ahead. You know, you have to not allow them
to really to find any momentum whatsoever in that game.
(02:53):
And even though Seattle found at points they brought it
back to within one score, for the most part, San
Francisco dominated that game, and the crowd really never played
a factor.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Uh yeah, I mean also, you know when you run
the football that well, even when the guys that you've
never even heard of or thought of his running back,
then you're you're going to silence the crowd, right, And
crowds only really get loud when you know you're third
in California and you're backed up, you know, towards your
goal line, and then.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
It gets it gets gets nuts.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I also think, and this is one of those things
where we realize there's just a difference in levels. When
the Niners want to be and are generally right, like
they just have more dudes, better dudes than the Seahawks
that played out as such throughout that game. This is
Colin Cowhert talking about the Steelers offensive coordinator and Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Arthur Smith said this yesterday. He loves he loves Justin
Fields because I mean, there's like three levels to this.
There's no drama to Justin Fields. He doesn't try to
live through the avatar or create a perception. That's probably
why he was so endearing to his teammates in Chicago.
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That is a direct shot that's not even subtle at
Russell Wilson, and whether Russell Wilson and his handlers want
to hear it or not, Among players and coaches in
this league, he is viewed as a phony. I've never
ever seen anything like this, a star or former star
being called out, even guys that are a headache like
to had his fans. But Russell Wilson in just a
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few seasons has gone from perennial Pro Bowl or two
Super Bowls to I'm not sure anybody wants him in
their locker room. Certainly no coaches. Pete didn't, Sean didn't,
and now Arthur Smith is over him. So I mean,
we're just four years removed from less let Russ cook,
and they did, and he burnt the kitchen down.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Now, listen, there are lots of people who thought that
Russell Wilson somehow had been done wrong. Right, And yes,
let Russ cook thing was in fact a real thing
for some people. But he's been viewed as a phone
in the league for a long time. Right, that's what
the legion of Boom thought.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But he's right.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Arn't the smith saying these things? Who else could he
possibly be talking about? And that's probably why he's not
going to get a shot. You know, he's not going
to get a shot. This is Dan Patrick had this
exchange with John Smoltz about Dodgers.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Padres that atmosphere I thought in San Diego.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I mean that that was.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Can you maybe compare another atmosphere that you had in
San Diego these last two games, you know, Philadelphiayeah, Philly.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You're right, they were.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
This is a stand all the time. It doesn't matter
what the score is. Something's a rally. Two zero counts
a rally. And I've said in the postseason, the teams
that handle the cleanest innings and don't allow some hiccup,
you know, rallies were starting with two out walks. They
were starting with a walk, So I love it. I
think San Diego's atmosphere la will be raucous. I mean,
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these two teams don't like each other, it's well known,
and they're now kind of sparking this rivalry because they're
both good. I can make the argument that the San
Diego Padres have the deepest roster and maybe the best
roster in the postseason, but now they're going to have
to find a way on the road to get by
the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Jase, do you have no faith in the Dodgers tonight?
Is that about right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I think that's yeah, that's the silence is deafening, silence
is definiting. Yeah, the listen. Dodger Stadium has had some
amazing games. I'm really excited about tonight. Obviously, we talked
about a ton in the radio show. We'll talk about
talk about a ton in the h here in the podcast.
But how can I get excited Game five? Two teams
don't like each other, and uh and and a fan
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base in the Dodgers that you know, can be sort
of lame, completely out for blood.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I'd say be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Let's find out who are what is Annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Widely regarded as the greatest segment in the history of
podcast or live radio. Jason Stewart, our resident curmudgeon and producer,
gets to complain every day and usually it strikes the
chord positively and occasionally negatively, with our with our listeners.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Jayce, do what's pissing you off? Today?
Speaker 8 (07:46):
Wow? Where do I start? I'm gonna start with this.
So I don't know if you consume a lot of
content online. So I consume a lot. And then every
once in a while, you come across something for someone
in our business, a colleague says something that you have
stated for years, and you really feel no, I really
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feel synergy with this one particular SoundBite. Okay, Michael Kay
is talking about the Yankees. Michael Kay hosts a radio
show in New York. Is also I think the play
by play guy for the Yankees on Yes Network.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Correct.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
Now, if you substitute Dodgers for Yankees in the SoundBite.
I think I have stated this to you multiple times verbatim.
I've certainly stated it to my friends since twenty nineteen,
and it goes something like this. People who run teams
with analytics and baseball, they seem to always go to
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the same excuse when they don't win a championship that
the postseason is just a crapshoot. Right. You know, I
could do what small example size, I could only do
what I could do, and then the postseasons is a
crap shoot, so there's no way you could remove me
or fire me because it's a crap shoot. I've stated
for years that the Astros shoot that theory debt. The
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Astros are are the one thing that shoots that theory dead. Well,
Michael Kay is with me on this.
Speaker 9 (09:13):
I don't want to hear crap shoot because the only
reason that the postseason is a crap shoot because analytic
teams are built for the one sixty two. That's where
their stick plays. Over one hundred and sixty two games,
the cream will rise to the top the way the
team is built in a best of five and a
best of seven, it takes a different sort of team,
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So it's not a crap shoot. You've built your team
for there, for the for the regular season, not for
the postseason. Why was it not a crap shoot for
the Astros? They went to the ALCS seven years in
a row, four times, they went to the World Series.
It wasn't a crap shoot for them.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
I've been saying this for years. So when Andrew Friedman
holds his post season press conference on Monday after they've
lost tonight, he's probably going to bring up crapshoot or
something compared to that. And, as I do almost every year,
I'm going to send out a tweet. I'm going to
quote tweet it. I'm going to say you're a liar
and you're full of shit.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
How many of the Dodgers starting staff they knew when
they signed Otani he wouldn't pitch this year?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
How many of their starting staff is not available for
the playoffs?
Speaker 8 (10:34):
I mean over the season. I think they're probably lost
four or five.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Okay of the guys that traditionally would start tonight, how
many of you, by the way, how bald would it
be if shoe he Otani is like, you know what,
I'm pitching tonight, but that'd be the most incredible thing
in the history of sports.
Speaker 8 (10:50):
Well, it would be amazing, and.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I actually think he could totally do it. But you know,
seven ound million dollar investment whatever, they're not going to
do it. But the point is that would be incredible.
I agree and disagree at the same time because I
do think that the Dodgers they have an incredible bullpen.
They obviously made one gigantic move, but it's a tremendous
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roster and they're a little bit snake bitten in terms
of their rotation. And we've always thought that for championship
level teams, or for championship games in baseball, especially now,
your bullpen's everything. And their bullpen not only was outstanding
their night, their bullpen, I think you would agree, is outstanding?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Is it not?
Speaker 8 (11:33):
It can be it was the other night for sure.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Where is this bullpen in the litany of National League teams?
Speaker 8 (11:41):
I have no idea. I just know that bullpen looked
like shit in Games two and three.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Okay, that's that's fair.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Again, I like, I actually think Michael's contradicting himself.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
You know he's contradicting himself.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Do I do I think that small market teams build
themselves for the one six with the use of analytics, Yes,
but analytics does not stop at one sixty two. It's
generally what will happen more often than not, more often
than not, and it doesn't always work out that way.
People don't understand probability. They don't, you know, no one
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likes to do math. I guess whether geometry or algebra
or algebra two or trig.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
It chases away from it.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So I actually think that the analytical data is there
a place in sports for field? Yeah, in playoffs place
for field. But the interesting like the interesting part about
it is if I were to say Derek Jeter was clutch,
would anybody argue with me?
Speaker 8 (12:43):
Negative?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Okay, Derek Jeter.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Hit the exact same in the regular season as he
did the postseason, and he was a good hitter. He
was never the best hitter in baseball, never really close.
The point is that Derek Jeter was a flat liner,
but his the one because he played so many playoff games,
he ended up having the literally the exact same numbers
in the playoffs as the bregnacy like Derek Junter. Actually
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is the argument for analytical data in the playoffs because
he had a big enough a big enough set of
numbers to measure to measure, it's not it's not as
much of an outlier. It's not just three games, you know,
like Mike Trout plays has played three playoff games in
his career. No one Mike Trout included got any hits
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against Kansi Royals and they got dismissed. And so his
playoff average looks like he stinks in the playoffs. Anyway,
I know you hate it, but I also think it's
the reality of the sport.
Speaker 8 (13:41):
Yeah, just don't use on Monday. If you lose tonight,
don't use crop shoot. If you want to get me
pissed off, don't use it.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
What is the impetus? What is the impetus of the
word crap shoot?
Speaker 8 (13:52):
The impetus?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, it's gonna be it's the Vegas crap right, crap shoot? Yes,
So there's odds in craps sure, okay, which we learned.
I mean, per example of why you lost collectively, would
you lose eight hundred dollars of us combined?
Speaker 8 (14:09):
Yep, right in ten minutes?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, small sample size. Had we stayed there, had we
had unlimited sums of money. If we had a couple
thousand dollars instead of the five hundred that we each
put in and pooled, we probably would have walked out
with I mean, we would have been like Ocean's eleven. We
would have walked out with every pit, every bit of money.
But because it was a small sample size, because we
only had five hundred apiece, and because there was a
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super annoying dude who was wearing a cal State Fullerton
hat that just had no ability to relate to the
fact that he was standing next to somebody who went
to cal State Fullerton.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
What are the fucking chances it became a crapshoot?
Speaker 8 (14:48):
This is like a this is a dark story, but
I'm going to turn it into something that annoys me.
You ready. Lion's running back David Montgomery recently admitted that
he ittered suicide during his rookie season after getting negative
messages on social media about people's fantasy teams. And that's awful.
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He obviously deals with some kind of chemical imbalanced depression
and that's not a good place to be in. What
I will say about the fantasy part of this is
because you've seen a lot of this that athletes and
coaches are getting kind of pissed off. The fans are
taking their fantasy and gambling losses out on them. I'm
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going to argue this forever. These are the customers that
are paying your salary. More and more people watch the
NFL because of those two reasons than to actually watch
a decent product. And David Montgomery's story is by far
the exception to that. And when we talk about Angel
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Reese getting death threats, Angel Reese being and sexualise, so
she says, these all of these individual matters are individual things.
If you're dealing with depression and you see something that
triggers that, that's not a commentary on what the world
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is like. That's a commentary on how you take things.
So I'm going to defend the people out there that
play fantasy sports and that gamble on sports, and I'm
going to actually defend the people that take out their
frustration on the actual people that did them harm in
their fantasy team. I'm never going to, uh, I'm.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Never there's a limit there, right, Like you don't you
don't say go kill yourself, correct, but but but I
think we do agree. Like if you're taking comments on
social media, seriously, then yeah, and you really feel that way,
then yeah, you probably need to go talk to somebody.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
That's thing about the WNBA that we've talked about a
lot in this segment, it's they're trying to eradicate racism
and sexism. No, you're not going to eradicate that. It's
how you take it. It's how you choose to either
dismiss it or internalize it. So I would train the
players to have a thicker skin as opposed to living
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in this ideal world where racism doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, I also think that, and again you're allowed to
distribute this. I also think that there's a lot of
things that are taken as racism or sexism that you're like,
what you know, just yeah, I just I don't know
why that's our sudden default. Like if somebody says something
that you disagree with, that you're somehow.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
A racist or a sexist.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
That's actually the biggest issue right in this kind of
tra This does go back to politics, or that was
a big issue that.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
That people had with Hillary's campaign.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Whereas if you disagreed with Hillary, you said something negat
about Hillar, what you were sexist?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Like No, I just don't like Hillary.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
Speaking of sexism and the WNBA. So Sue Bird hosts
a show with her wife, Yes, Megan Rapino.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yes, you hear the actual numbers on that on how
many downloads do you think they get of that show?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Sue Bird and Meghan Rapino? What do you think the numbers?
Speaker 8 (18:21):
I'd like to know. I don't know if those are
posted publicly, but i'd like to know. Sue Bird and
Megan Rapino they host a podcast, Sube Byrd. I saw
this entire equip and she's really good. She's like, really
good at this. She obviously does her research, and she's
really articulate and she's interesting. I disagree with this part.
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So they were talking about the ratings for the Semis
and the WNBA Finals being lower than when Caitlin Clark plays. Sure,
and this is the analogy she used.
Speaker 10 (18:55):
Now, the reason why it really really gets my blood
boiling is because it's the exact same thing we see
in every other sport. When I'm going to go on
a limb, hear, but when Messi plays, something tells me
here the viewership's higher ticket sales sor but.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
We're going to use basketball.
Speaker 10 (19:14):
This last year, the Celtics and the MAVs were in
the finals.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
That viewership was amazing.
Speaker 10 (19:20):
It was like five point whatever million, amazing lower than
the previous years, lower than when Lebron's in it, lower
than when Steph Curry's in it. Why and yet we
don't hear anyone shitting on the Celtics and the MAVs.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So actually we do.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
Maybe I don't know if you had the stake away
as well, but the ratings being higher or lower when
the Celtics and MAVs were playing as opposed to when
Lebron's in there, that is an incremental difference. When Kayln
Clark or if Kaylin Clark was the WANBA finals, I
think the ratings would quadruple from what they were in
the past. There is an exponent difference and interest when
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Kaitlin Clark is involved in something. This isn't just a
comparing apples to apples.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Here, Yeah, it's it's this is actually the perfect example
of what I was talking about with the WNBA. It's
like when you're and by the way, like they were
critical of Stevin A Smith who said that the ratings
were far lower without Kaylyn Clark, like this is inarguable
It's like, why are you saying this? You work for ESPN,
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there are a rights holder, like, so he's supposed to lie.
There's a precipitous decline. And by the way, the NBA's
ratings when they have been down, everyone's talked about them. Everyone,
every literally often discussed. You know, it's been often discussed
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that some of Kaitlin Clark's games have gotten more people
watching than regular season NBA games. So, I mean, listen,
it's complete bullshit. And I almost it's like part of
me says, and this is what this this segment is
basically I call bullshit. Right, I understand that we're calling
bullshit on on Megapino and super Bird and even this
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kind of line of discussion, but it is actually complete
bullshit what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
This. That's there. That's the strong Man deal.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Right, nobody's being critical of when the when the NBA
ratings are down.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah they are. What are you talking about? Everybody talks about.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
So uh, Sue Bird, the fantasy team owners causing people
to commit suicide, and.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
The contemplates kind of contemplate contemplate suicide, Super Bird, Megaupino.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, why are we doing this?
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I do.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
Because we can. I think I want to say, well,
what's the name of the receiver that used to play
for the Ravens returned a couple of kicks. Anyways, somebody
went on Twitter used to play for the Ravens and
he was talking about this movement to get reporters out
of the locker room, and he said something along the
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lines of these reporters are flat out homo there they
love man meat, something like crazy, some like real homophobic
tweet that isn't acceptable, and Jason Kelsey responded to that
on his podcast.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I don't think this is made out to be. It's
so fun.
Speaker 11 (22:42):
I really honestly think guys just don't want to be
interviewed in the locker room. And a lot of people
are crying well right now to just drink.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Listen, man, this sounds like everybody's having fun with it. Man,
I don't. I'm just like, I don't. I don't think
this is a big deal. I never had an issue
with it.
Speaker 11 (22:59):
I think it's like it's so easy to just not
show your dick to everybody, putting a towel on, or
go into the bathroom that they aren't in, like they're
not in the showers.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Like how to catch the ball.
Speaker 11 (23:15):
But you can definitely not show your dick if you
don't watch you guys.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
True, this is very very true, but it's like, do
we really need to And again, part of it is
for the players association, why can't play that for you?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Because we can.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Part of the player association thing is like, look, if
all the guys whould just come out and talk to
the media, or honestly, what they should have is like
a lounge where you go in, you get dressed, and
you know, normally the meet with the families and you
get like ten minutes in a loungeria where you can
be comfortable and talk. Like the media still does play
a vital role. Maybe a little bit less vital now
because everybody has their own kind of personal media outlet,
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but it's definitely a vital role. Why could we play
it for you? Because we can't. That's it for the
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Gottlit
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show Years in
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
What Up Doug Gotlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio,
I Heart Radio app Welcome, Welcome, welcome in a lot
of stuff going on this weekend in college football. Course
you have what Ole Miss goes to LSU. You got
the Red River rivalry. I'll tell you the game I'm
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most looking forward to. That's k State taking on Colorado.
They haven't played since twenty ten. And of course it
goes back to the Big Eight days. The Big Eight
was in the mid nineties. Last you're of the Big
Eight Wildcats. They like to run the football. They're gonna
mash you. And both teams, by the way, are coming
(00:53):
off of bye week, and both teams are off to
a really good start.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Their defense is pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
They're going against an outstanding, outstanding run game. And it's
really interesting, right, you have one team that doesn't and
can't run the football in Colorado, one that can and
may struggle at times to throw the football in Kansas State.
And who wins that? And as much as we all
want to say, yeah, the team that throws it, that's arcane.
That's the thing in the past. I mean, the reality
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is that the physicality of a team that runs the
football a ton should carry them through, especially early the
season and with younger players. Do I think Texas beats
Oklahoma badly? I do. Do I think Ole Miss should
have slipped further than the rankings, I do? But both
(01:42):
of those will take care of themselves organically. To me,
this one, this is not about either. This is about Colorado,
who loves to throw it, kind of plays with panache. Right,
They've been annoying before they won year annoying a ton
going against the kse at that's just solid, tough, and
(02:04):
to some extent boring.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Let's get to what the Fox says and now I'd
say every day of this.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Time in the Bonus podcast on The Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Play for your portion of a previous
show on Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One. Here's Brady
Quinn talking about how the forty nine ers went into
Seattle and won.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
It's a crazy place. It's why last night's victory and
the way San Francisco did it is by design. They
know it's a divisional opponent. In order to be able
to not allow that crowd to get into it, you
got to start off fast, you got to find a
way of taking the lead. Then you have to really
stay ahead. You know, you have to not allow them
to really to find any momentum whatsoever in that game.
(02:53):
And even though Seattle found at points they brought it
back to within one score, for the most part, San
Francisco dominated that game, and the crowd really never played
a factor.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Uh yeah, I mean also, you know when you run
the football that well, even when the guys that you've
never even heard of or thought of his running back,
then you're you're going to silence the crowd, right, And
crowds only really get loud when you know you're third
in California and you're backed up, you know, towards your
goal line, and then.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
It gets it gets gets nuts.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I also think, and this is one of those things
where we realize there's just a difference in levels. When
the Niners want to be and are generally right, like
they just have more dudes, better dudes than the Seahawks
that played out as such throughout that game. This is
Colin Cowhert talking about the Steelers offensive coordinator and Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Arthur Smith said this yesterday. He loves he loves Justin
Fields because I mean, there's like three levels to this.
There's no drama to Justin Fields. He doesn't try to
live through the avatar or create a perception. That's probably
why he was so endearing to his teammates in Chicago.
(04:05):
That is a direct shot that's not even subtle at
Russell Wilson, and whether Russell Wilson and his handlers want
to hear it or not, Among players and coaches in
this league, he is viewed as a phony. I've never
ever seen anything like this, a star or former star
being called out, even guys that are a headache like
to had his fans. But Russell Wilson in just a
(04:28):
few seasons has gone from perennial Pro Bowl or two
Super Bowls to I'm not sure anybody wants him in
their locker room. Certainly no coaches. Pete didn't, Sean didn't,
and now Arthur Smith is over him. So I mean,
we're just four years removed from less let Russ cook,
and they did, and he burnt the kitchen down.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Now, listen, there are lots of people who thought that
Russell Wilson somehow had been done wrong. Right, And yes,
let Russ cook thing was in fact a real thing
for some people. But he's been viewed as a phone
in the league for a long time. Right, that's what
the legion of Boom thought.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But he's right.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Arn't the smith saying these things? Who else could he
possibly be talking about? And that's probably why he's not
going to get a shot. You know, he's not going
to get a shot. This is Dan Patrick had this
exchange with John Smoltz about Dodgers.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Padres that atmosphere I thought in San Diego.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I mean that that was.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Can you maybe compare another atmosphere that you had in
San Diego these last two games, you know, Philadelphiayeah, Philly.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You're right, they were.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
This is a stand all the time. It doesn't matter
what the score is. Something's a rally. Two zero counts
a rally. And I've said in the postseason, the teams
that handle the cleanest innings and don't allow some hiccup,
you know, rallies were starting with two out walks. They
were starting with a walk, So I love it. I
think San Diego's atmosphere la will be raucous. I mean,
(06:05):
these two teams don't like each other, it's well known,
and they're now kind of sparking this rivalry because they're
both good. I can make the argument that the San
Diego Padres have the deepest roster and maybe the best
roster in the postseason, but now they're going to have
to find a way on the road to get by
the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Jase, do you have no faith in the Dodgers tonight?
Is that about right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I think that's yeah, that's the silence is deafening, silence
is definiting. Yeah, the listen. Dodger Stadium has had some
amazing games. I'm really excited about tonight. Obviously, we talked
about a ton in the radio show. We'll talk about
talk about a ton in the h here in the podcast.
But how can I get excited Game five? Two teams
don't like each other, and uh and and a fan
(06:56):
base in the Dodgers that you know, can be sort
of lame, completely out for blood.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
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Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific
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Speaker 3 (07:17):
Let's find out who are what is Annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Widely regarded as the greatest segment in the history of
podcast or live radio. Jason Stewart, our resident curmudgeon and producer,
gets to complain every day and usually it strikes the
chord positively and occasionally negatively, with our with our listeners.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Jayce, do what's pissing you off? Today?
Speaker 8 (07:46):
Wow? Where do I start? I'm gonna start with this.
So I don't know if you consume a lot of
content online. So I consume a lot. And then every
once in a while, you come across something for someone
in our business, a colleague says something that you have
stated for years, and you really feel no, I really
(08:08):
feel synergy with this one particular SoundBite. Okay, Michael Kay
is talking about the Yankees. Michael Kay hosts a radio
show in New York. Is also I think the play
by play guy for the Yankees on Yes Network.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Correct.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
Now, if you substitute Dodgers for Yankees in the SoundBite.
I think I have stated this to you multiple times verbatim.
I've certainly stated it to my friends since twenty nineteen,
and it goes something like this. People who run teams
with analytics and baseball, they seem to always go to
(08:44):
the same excuse when they don't win a championship that
the postseason is just a crapshoot. Right. You know, I
could do what small example size, I could only do
what I could do, and then the postseasons is a
crap shoot, so there's no way you could remove me
or fire me because it's a crap shoot. I've stated
for years that the Astros shoot that theory debt. The
(09:06):
Astros are are the one thing that shoots that theory dead. Well,
Michael Kay is with me on this.
Speaker 9 (09:13):
I don't want to hear crap shoot because the only
reason that the postseason is a crap shoot because analytic
teams are built for the one sixty two. That's where
their stick plays. Over one hundred and sixty two games,
the cream will rise to the top the way the
team is built in a best of five and a
best of seven, it takes a different sort of team,
(09:35):
So it's not a crap shoot. You've built your team
for there, for the for the regular season, not for
the postseason. Why was it not a crap shoot for
the Astros? They went to the ALCS seven years in
a row, four times, they went to the World Series.
It wasn't a crap shoot for them.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
I've been saying this for years. So when Andrew Friedman
holds his post season press conference on Monday after they've
lost tonight, he's probably going to bring up crapshoot or
something compared to that. And, as I do almost every year,
I'm going to send out a tweet. I'm going to
quote tweet it. I'm going to say you're a liar
and you're full of shit.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
How many of the Dodgers starting staff they knew when
they signed Otani he wouldn't pitch this year?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
How many of their starting staff is not available for
the playoffs?
Speaker 8 (10:34):
I mean over the season. I think they're probably lost
four or five.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Okay of the guys that traditionally would start tonight, how
many of you, by the way, how bald would it
be if shoe he Otani is like, you know what,
I'm pitching tonight, but that'd be the most incredible thing
in the history of sports.
Speaker 8 (10:50):
Well, it would be amazing, and.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I actually think he could totally do it. But you know,
seven ound million dollar investment whatever, they're not going to
do it. But the point is that would be incredible.
I agree and disagree at the same time because I
do think that the Dodgers they have an incredible bullpen.
They obviously made one gigantic move, but it's a tremendous
(11:13):
roster and they're a little bit snake bitten in terms
of their rotation. And we've always thought that for championship
level teams, or for championship games in baseball, especially now,
your bullpen's everything. And their bullpen not only was outstanding
their night, their bullpen, I think you would agree, is outstanding?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Is it not?
Speaker 8 (11:33):
It can be it was the other night for sure.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Where is this bullpen in the litany of National League teams?
Speaker 8 (11:41):
I have no idea. I just know that bullpen looked
like shit in Games two and three.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Okay, that's that's fair.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Again, I like, I actually think Michael's contradicting himself.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
You know he's contradicting himself.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Do I do I think that small market teams build
themselves for the one six with the use of analytics, Yes,
but analytics does not stop at one sixty two. It's
generally what will happen more often than not, more often
than not, and it doesn't always work out that way.
People don't understand probability. They don't, you know, no one
(12:17):
likes to do math. I guess whether geometry or algebra
or algebra two or trig.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
It chases away from it.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So I actually think that the analytical data is there
a place in sports for field? Yeah, in playoffs place
for field. But the interesting like the interesting part about
it is if I were to say Derek Jeter was clutch,
would anybody argue with me?
Speaker 8 (12:43):
Negative?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Okay, Derek Jeter.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Hit the exact same in the regular season as he
did the postseason, and he was a good hitter. He
was never the best hitter in baseball, never really close.
The point is that Derek Jeter was a flat liner,
but his the one because he played so many playoff games,
he ended up having the literally the exact same numbers
in the playoffs as the bregnacy like Derek Junter. Actually
(13:07):
is the argument for analytical data in the playoffs because
he had a big enough a big enough set of
numbers to measure to measure, it's not it's not as
much of an outlier. It's not just three games, you know,
like Mike Trout plays has played three playoff games in
his career. No one Mike Trout included got any hits
(13:31):
against Kansi Royals and they got dismissed. And so his
playoff average looks like he stinks in the playoffs. Anyway,
I know you hate it, but I also think it's
the reality of the sport.
Speaker 8 (13:41):
Yeah, just don't use on Monday. If you lose tonight,
don't use crop shoot. If you want to get me
pissed off, don't use it.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
What is the impetus? What is the impetus of the
word crap shoot?
Speaker 8 (13:52):
The impetus?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, it's gonna be it's the Vegas crap right, crap shoot? Yes,
So there's odds in craps sure, okay, which we learned.
I mean, per example of why you lost collectively, would
you lose eight hundred dollars of us combined?
Speaker 8 (14:09):
Yep, right in ten minutes?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, small sample size. Had we stayed there, had we
had unlimited sums of money. If we had a couple
thousand dollars instead of the five hundred that we each
put in and pooled, we probably would have walked out
with I mean, we would have been like Ocean's eleven. We
would have walked out with every pit, every bit of money.
But because it was a small sample size, because we
only had five hundred apiece, and because there was a
(14:34):
super annoying dude who was wearing a cal State Fullerton
hat that just had no ability to relate to the
fact that he was standing next to somebody who went
to cal State Fullerton.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
What are the fucking chances it became a crapshoot?
Speaker 8 (14:48):
This is like a this is a dark story, but
I'm going to turn it into something that annoys me.
You ready. Lion's running back David Montgomery recently admitted that
he ittered suicide during his rookie season after getting negative
messages on social media about people's fantasy teams. And that's awful.
(15:13):
He obviously deals with some kind of chemical imbalanced depression
and that's not a good place to be in. What
I will say about the fantasy part of this is
because you've seen a lot of this that athletes and
coaches are getting kind of pissed off. The fans are
taking their fantasy and gambling losses out on them. I'm
(15:34):
going to argue this forever. These are the customers that
are paying your salary. More and more people watch the
NFL because of those two reasons than to actually watch
a decent product. And David Montgomery's story is by far
the exception to that. And when we talk about Angel
(15:57):
Reese getting death threats, Angel Reese being and sexualise, so
she says, these all of these individual matters are individual things.
If you're dealing with depression and you see something that
triggers that, that's not a commentary on what the world
(16:18):
is like. That's a commentary on how you take things.
So I'm going to defend the people out there that
play fantasy sports and that gamble on sports, and I'm
going to actually defend the people that take out their
frustration on the actual people that did them harm in
their fantasy team. I'm never going to, uh, I'm.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Never there's a limit there, right, Like you don't you
don't say go kill yourself, correct, but but but I
think we do agree. Like if you're taking comments on
social media, seriously, then yeah, and you really feel that way,
then yeah, you probably need to go talk to somebody.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
That's thing about the WNBA that we've talked about a
lot in this segment, it's they're trying to eradicate racism
and sexism. No, you're not going to eradicate that. It's
how you take it. It's how you choose to either
dismiss it or internalize it. So I would train the
players to have a thicker skin as opposed to living
(17:21):
in this ideal world where racism doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, I also think that, and again you're allowed to
distribute this. I also think that there's a lot of
things that are taken as racism or sexism that you're like,
what you know, just yeah, I just I don't know
why that's our sudden default. Like if somebody says something
that you disagree with, that you're somehow.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
A racist or a sexist.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
That's actually the biggest issue right in this kind of
tra This does go back to politics, or that was
a big issue that.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
That people had with Hillary's campaign.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Whereas if you disagreed with Hillary, you said something negat
about Hillar, what you were sexist?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Like No, I just don't like Hillary.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
Speaking of sexism and the WNBA. So Sue Bird hosts
a show with her wife, Yes, Megan Rapino.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yes, you hear the actual numbers on that on how
many downloads do you think they get of that show?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Sue Bird and Meghan Rapino? What do you think the numbers?
Speaker 8 (18:21):
I'd like to know. I don't know if those are
posted publicly, but i'd like to know. Sue Bird and
Megan Rapino they host a podcast, Sube Byrd. I saw
this entire equip and she's really good. She's like, really
good at this. She obviously does her research, and she's
really articulate and she's interesting. I disagree with this part.
(18:43):
So they were talking about the ratings for the Semis
and the WNBA Finals being lower than when Caitlin Clark plays. Sure,
and this is the analogy she used.
Speaker 10 (18:55):
Now, the reason why it really really gets my blood
boiling is because it's the exact same thing we see
in every other sport. When I'm going to go on
a limb, hear, but when Messi plays, something tells me
here the viewership's higher ticket sales sor but.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
We're going to use basketball.
Speaker 10 (19:14):
This last year, the Celtics and the MAVs were in
the finals.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
That viewership was amazing.
Speaker 10 (19:20):
It was like five point whatever million, amazing lower than
the previous years, lower than when Lebron's in it, lower
than when Steph Curry's in it. Why and yet we
don't hear anyone shitting on the Celtics and the MAVs.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So actually we do.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
Maybe I don't know if you had the stake away
as well, but the ratings being higher or lower when
the Celtics and MAVs were playing as opposed to when
Lebron's in there, that is an incremental difference. When Kayln
Clark or if Kaylin Clark was the WANBA finals, I
think the ratings would quadruple from what they were in
the past. There is an exponent difference and interest when
(20:02):
Kaitlin Clark is involved in something. This isn't just a
comparing apples to apples.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Here, Yeah, it's it's this is actually the perfect example
of what I was talking about with the WNBA. It's
like when you're and by the way, like they were
critical of Stevin A Smith who said that the ratings
were far lower without Kaylyn Clark, like this is inarguable
It's like, why are you saying this? You work for ESPN,
(20:29):
there are a rights holder, like, so he's supposed to lie.
There's a precipitous decline. And by the way, the NBA's
ratings when they have been down, everyone's talked about them. Everyone,
every literally often discussed. You know, it's been often discussed
(20:50):
that some of Kaitlin Clark's games have gotten more people
watching than regular season NBA games. So, I mean, listen,
it's complete bullshit. And I almost it's like part of
me says, and this is what this this segment is
basically I call bullshit. Right, I understand that we're calling
bullshit on on Megapino and super Bird and even this
(21:14):
kind of line of discussion, but it is actually complete
bullshit what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
This. That's there. That's the strong Man deal.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Right, nobody's being critical of when the when the NBA
ratings are down.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah they are. What are you talking about? Everybody talks about.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
So uh, Sue Bird, the fantasy team owners causing people
to commit suicide, and.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
The contemplates kind of contemplate contemplate suicide, Super Bird, Megaupino.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, why are we doing this?
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I do.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
Because we can. I think I want to say, well,
what's the name of the receiver that used to play
for the Ravens returned a couple of kicks. Anyways, somebody
went on Twitter used to play for the Ravens and
he was talking about this movement to get reporters out
of the locker room, and he said something along the
(22:18):
lines of these reporters are flat out homo there they
love man meat, something like crazy, some like real homophobic
tweet that isn't acceptable, and Jason Kelsey responded to that
on his podcast.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I don't think this is made out to be. It's
so fun.
Speaker 11 (22:42):
I really honestly think guys just don't want to be
interviewed in the locker room. And a lot of people
are crying well right now to just drink.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Listen, man, this sounds like everybody's having fun with it. Man,
I don't. I'm just like, I don't. I don't think
this is a big deal. I never had an issue
with it.
Speaker 11 (22:59):
I think it's like it's so easy to just not
show your dick to everybody, putting a towel on, or
go into the bathroom that they aren't in, like they're
not in the showers.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Like how to catch the ball.
Speaker 11 (23:15):
But you can definitely not show your dick if you
don't watch you guys.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
True, this is very very true, but it's like, do
we really need to And again, part of it is
for the players association, why can't play that for you?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Because we can.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Part of the player association thing is like, look, if
all the guys whould just come out and talk to
the media, or honestly, what they should have is like
a lounge where you go in, you get dressed, and
you know, normally the meet with the families and you
get like ten minutes in a loungeria where you can
be comfortable and talk. Like the media still does play
a vital role. Maybe a little bit less vital now
because everybody has their own kind of personal media outlet,
(23:52):
but it's definitely a vital role. Why could we play
it for you? Because we can't. That's it for the
end the Bonus Podcast. Check out the radio show every
day three to six eastern, three to five eastern, twelve
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