October 16, 2024 • 46 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to comments made by Jets' owner Woody Johnson as he has seen his team make big mid-season changes over the last couple of weeks.
On today's edition of The Midway, Doug and the crew discuss the worst contracts in the history of sports.
Doug weighs in on the latest situation involving Cowboys' owner Jerry Jones. Doug welcomes Hall-Of-Famer Jerry Rice onto the show to get his thoughts on the current 49ers team.
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Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Me too. We have a big game in Major League
Baseball right, Game three of the Mets taking on the Dodgers.
Series is tied at one a piece. That game is
at eight o eight on the East coast, right, so
late start time for the East. But a series tied
at one obviously a tremendous amount of pressure in these
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two games for the Dodgers to take back home field advantage.
We got a little little bit of football. I was
bored last night and I'm watching them, like, why is
our college game on a Tuesday night? That was weird
some action on a Tuesday night. But we're getting you
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ready for what I think is going to be as
good a football weekend as you're going to find all
year long if you look at if you look at
the schedules. A lot to get to. But I wanted
to start with the biggest football story of the past
week and a half has been the Jets. And this
was Woody Johnson, the owner of the Jets, having an
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exchange with reporters.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
You want to bring a lot of change this week?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Do you just have to go with your instinct and
what's the best best thing to build a team and
build a winning team and build a most importantly, build
a culture.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Are you still optimistic that this season is salvageable?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
We're gonna chick. Are you're gonna have the words after that?
We're gonna we're gonna do really well.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Um okay, okay, that's so, we're gonna do really well. Yeah.
I just what leads him to believe that there's just
been so much change, so much turmol, so much tumult, Like,
what what is it? I obviously they you'd think they
win the other night if they can simply make a
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makeable Fueld goal. But the Jets go to Pittsburgh this
upcoming weekend, right then they go to New England. That
feels like a game. Maybe they can be competitive, maybe
they can win, although it's not like the Patriot's gonna
lay down for him. Texans and home, Texans are good.
Go to Arizona, take on the Cardinals, Colts at home, Okay,
maybe bye week, Seahawks at home, maybe at Dolphins. We
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don't know if too will be back by then at Jaguars,
Rams at home, at Bill's Dolphins. It's not crazy to
conceive that they can make the playoffs. This, by the way,
is what so many wish the Cowboys would do in
terms of all in, which is really go all in.
But end of the day, they've tied their horse to
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Aaron Rodgers. And what if Aaron Rodgers just isn't that
good anymore? Right, isn't that good anymore? I don't know
what if that's That's not the way I would go
about it. I heard Colin say earlier today that consistency
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is what's needed, and I would agree. I would agree
it's level headed approach. Now you have to have the
right people and you have to trust them. But this
is not consistency and I like Look, I like the
DeVante Adams trade. You still run in the same problem
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where Aaron Rodgers doesn't appear to be the same guy
as he used to be. Now is he good enough? Yeah,
he should still be good enough in that division. I'm
not a huge to a guy. Although TA has great weapons,
but to it doesn't have the defense the Jets have.
But the Woody Johnson thing, and I have no bone
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to pick with him. But enough people in the NFL,
and you've had enough of these stories, and you've had
so much change constantly, constantly with his team stands the
reason that people will roll their eyes at things stands
the reason I completely understand completely. So I I sit
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here and try and wonder to myself, why do the
Jets think that constantly changing things is going to make
things better? And even if it makes it modestly better,
and maybe they do sneak into the playoffs, the fact
is that Aaron Rodgers likely to be gone at the
end of this year, and you're gonna start all over anyway.
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You know, there's an expression in professional sports that goes
like this owner's own. Now, owner's own is not a
not a positive expression. It's just an expression of when
all these other people are doing their jobs and trying
to figure out how to get better, and the owner
comes in and says, that's great, but I'm doing it
this way because I want to do it this way.
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That's going to the owner's own. It's his money. What
are you gonna do? And I'm sure Jay stew has
been a part of that, whether it's with this show,
if we've done something where he's like, ah, really, you know,
I technically would be the owner of the content. Sometimes
you have to go along with people in charge. But
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Woody Johnson has had a history of this, and he's
only helping or enhancing that negative reputation based upon the
way in which he's done it. And then the other
part to it. I've said this since it happened, like
even Aaron Rodgers and the Redline come out about Mike Williams,
which wasn't needed. All you had to do with Mike Williams, Hey,
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what happened on that? The second interceptions? It's just a
miscommunication between me and Mike. We got to get on
the same page. That's on me. Everybody in the locker
room and who watches film and the coaching staff can
know that Mike Williams didn't run a red line route.
But Aaron Rodgers need to make sure and point out
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that Mike Williams ran the wrong route. Maybe he thinks
that motivated the Jets to go and get DeVante Adams,
but he easily could have gotten out the podium and
then pulled Joe Douglas aside and said, dude, that guy,
he's running the wrong route. That ends up costing us
the game. And then Aaron Rodgers, who's his defense, would be, Hey,
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I just I don't want to lie to people. I'm
just telling the truth. Okay, Then why do you lie
to us about Woody Johnson not talking to you about
or telling you he was going to make a coaching change,
Because no one believes you, No one nor should they.
So they still have a lot of talent on defense,
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still have Aaron Rodgers. Now they have two talented wide receivers,
pretty good running back line's Okay, division bills are better
with the Marii Cooper, but not great. Hey, Dolphins are
eventually they'll get two O. They're okay, They're not great,
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And you know, you look at the rest of that
you look at the rest of their schedule, and you say,
you know what, it's not crazy to think, not crazy
to think that this is a team that could ultimately
make the playoffs. But man, there's so much dysfunction and
so much finger pointing in Aaron Rodgers. There's so many
people under the bus, and now you've got an interim
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head coach, whereas Aaron seems to be making at least
a portion of the decisions. Doesn't feel like it works.
Doesn't feel like it works.
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every Wednesday is the middle of the week. We have
a one hour podcast which we drop at the end
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of the show, so technically three hours this would be
middle of the show, and we're in the middle of
the day. So let's get to the midway. It's not
getting the middle It's time for the.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Midway discussion is is uh worst contracting sports? And I
bring it up because I think the the narrative most
people will give you is that, uh, it's got to
be Deshaun Watson because in addition to being a CU
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used a sexual assault by forty people forty women, he
got the first fully guaranteed five year contract in the
history of the NFL. And he's terrible, not terrible, he's
just not good. He's not good enough. And they actually
made the playoffs last year with his backup who formerly
was a very good quarterback in Joe black Ohwa's play
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well this year. But again, like you have the biggest
contract in the islor sports the history of the sport
at the time, fully guaranteed, and they're better without you.
That's a yikes. So let's go round the room a
little bit here, Ilo, what's your worst contract ever?
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Ever?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Ever?
Speaker 7 (10:39):
It is Deshaun Watson. But on the premise that we're
talking about something else, I'm gonna go Bobby Bonia with
the Mets back in the day, the gift that keeps
on giving every year.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Okay, So why is it a bet? Why is his
why is his contract still bad?
Speaker 7 (11:02):
It's not so much the on field consequences. It's just
the ridiculousness of it all to have a contract. Yeah,
not not from not from Bobby's, but it's just it's
just comic. It's just so comical that it's gotten to
the point that there's literally a holiday after it. And
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remember I'm on record as saying it's still the Deshaun
Watson by far. But if I had to pick something else,
I would go with that.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
Why would the agent sign up for that? Or was
that Bonia's what's the story behind that?
Speaker 7 (11:37):
Because but it's isn't a good deal. It's a great
deal for Bonia. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It's not a terrible deal for the Mets either. Fair
to put money and they put a lot less money
in estro with the guarantee that it'll be worth you know,
a million dollars per year once they get there. It's
not close to being a bad you know. He wasn't uh,
he wasn't peaked Bania with the Mets. But it wasn't terrible,
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you know, wasn't terrible. Played three full seasons in another season,
you know, hit nineteen thirty four twenty and eighteen home
runs in half a season before he was traded. So
I just don't do the fact that he's still getting paid.
That's just deferred money. He's not the only one.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
It's like the old argument with the watery. You take
all the money now, less money now or over your lifetime.
And I always thought the economists or people that know
money are like, you take the less money now and
then put it in some kind of a savings saying
that the interest alone will pay you more.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Than the year to year point.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
You know what, I'm going to change my mind if
I can Albert Poolholtz angels.
Speaker 8 (12:44):
Hold on a second, Hold on a second, we're getting
out of wine here. I claim Poolholes for myself very well.
So I'm going to clean that up and edit.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
We're just reminded of Bobby Bonia day every year. So
I think that's why we wish always think about it
and uh yeah, yeah, you could put that money away
and listen, if you're if you're a you have trouble
with your spending habits, then getting a million or so
every year is probably good for you.
Speaker 8 (13:09):
I don't know how many spending habits are, but that
was my theory with the Otani deal number. The theory
that I started is that all the deferred money in
year ten was his agent's way of saying, that gives
you nine years to clean up your gambling habit and
then we'll give you all the money at the end.
If we give it to you, now you're gonna gamble
it or.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
What so, so you're going with Pooholes.
Speaker 8 (13:37):
Albert Pooholz, at the age of thirty two, was lucky
enough to get a ten year contract from the Angels
for two hundred and forty million dollars. The crazy thing
about that number is I think he signed that contract
in like twenty twenty ten. That sounds like a lot
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of money today, Like if somebody's a ten year two
forty you're like, wow, that's great, good for you. I
want to say, Ronald Acuna sign that deal and pooh
Hooles never never lived up to that contract, and he
started to slow down much slower than everyone thought. Everyone remember,
Albert Poohols supposedly allegedly lied on his birth certificate, so
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he was always older than we thought, so that he
was probably actually thirty six when he saw that deal.
The Angels are a mess because I really I'm going
to save them any kind of grief here by not
mentioning the Josh Hamilton deal and by not mentioning the
Anthony Rendon deal.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
So I'll just I'll save them the grief.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Uh, big apple, Sam.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
This doesn't approach to Sean Watson level, but I'll go
to the college ranks between a coach and a university.
Let's go back to twenty seventeen when Texas A and
M hired Jimbo Fish Sure and he signed a ten year,
seventy five million dollar contract. And what was special about
that contract The school promised him every penny outlined in
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the contract even if he was fired. Okay, and even worse,
if Jimbo Fisher decided to leave for another gig, he
would owe the school zero dollars and there was no
language in the contract offset those terms so that Fisher
would get the entire worth of his deal even if
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he were to take another job. I'm quoting a CBS
Sports article here, but here we go. Here's here it
gets even worse. Lsu sniffed around Texas A and M
and twenty twenty one, after Texas A and M was
coming off of a good COVID year, I guess, and
they signed him to another deal restarting the clock ten year,
ninety five million dollars. And after he was fired going
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forty five and twenty five, he was paid seventy million dollars.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Not to coach.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
So that's a pretty pretty bad at college football contract.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Stunned. Stunned by those numbers.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
My turnt?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Do it?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Do you guys remember the Eddie Curry contract with the Knicks?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Oh? Yeah, okay?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Do you remember? Sam? Are you too young to remember?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Too young? Too young for that?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Okay, So Eddie Curry signed a six year, sixty million
dollar deal with the Knicks. Now does that sound like
huge money? Probably no in this day and age, but
at the time it was top of the market. Right now,
what's important to understand is when they took Eddie Curry.
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They took Eddie Curry. He had a heart problem. And
the thing about guaranteed contracts are they have to be
in otherwise the team has to pay out of pocket,
right like none of them. When a guy gets hurt.
If Tua, for example, gets hurt, has to retire, can't play,
the Dolphins aren't paying the rest of that contract. The
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insurance facing. As a matter of fact, if you remember back,
that's how Magic Johnson found out he had HIV. Was
before every season players had to take, you know, a
blood test for the insurance. Those and I've often said,
if anybody wants to be in the Hall of Fame,
all those blood tests, the fighting of them still exist
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in baseball. Just allow us to see your blood test.
We can see whether or not you were cycling on
steroids in the offseason. Anyway, Eddie Curry being signed to
a sixty million dollar contract, one that he never came
close to living up to. And oh yeah, by the way,
Isaiah Thomas signing him to it when he had a
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heart problem, So it was an uninsurable contract. I believe
it's the worst contract of all time. Look the pool
holes thing it was, It was bad. It was. It
was absolutely bad. Okay, but they knew Poolhole stood age.
No one could have No one could have known they'd
have the constant foot problem or whatever. You knew he
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was gonna age, and that's what she did to kind
of get him. Like I, it's a lot of money,
but I do get it. On the some level, you
knew Eddie Curry didn't have a good work ethic. You
knew Eddie Curry because remember this is an Isaiah Thomas deal.
He had a heart problem. You wouldn't be able and
you wouldn't have to pay that much because he had
the heart problem. You could have gotten him for pennies
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because there's an uninsured contract. You didn't. That's the worst
contract I could think. No I made, what Jase do?
I'm sure you have more.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Though, Well, my Eddie Curry story, I need to tell her.
I'm gonna take everyone behind behind the what is it
behind the curtain?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Curtain?
Speaker 8 (18:57):
I booked Eddie Curry on the Jim Romp Show. Was
right around that time that he signed the contract, or
maybe in this maybe in his rookie year. I signed
Eddie Curry. And that was back in the day when
you know all radio shows were just radio shows, and
he just.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Had phone interviews. That's what That's what it was.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
So so I get a call from the agent a
couple of minutes before the interview, is like he's like, hey,
Eddie's ready to go. Where where do you guys need him?
And I'm like, what do you mean just just hand
them a phone? No, he's he got his braid's done,
like he just spent like eight dollars on a haircut,
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like he got whatever whatever you do to get braids done.
And I'm like, oh no, this is a phone interview.
And the agent cussed me up.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Wait he thought he had to be he had his
braids down because he thought he was he be on TV. Yes,
Eddie Curry. By the way court court records. One way
he blew his money was he was spending over a
thousand dollars a month on cable.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I thought I was paying a lot for internet. How
do you pay? How do you how does it even happen?
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Did he?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Well? I guess, hey, that's a you know what.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
In hindsight though, with that story that Jay Sdo just
told that's a better deal compared to his haircut deal.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
I don't know how much you get, you have to
pay for those. I have no idea, but he was pissed.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Not she would you like eight months worth of cable
or to get your hair done?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
That's a lot of money.
Speaker 8 (20:33):
Well, I think Russell Wilson's getting ignored in this conversation.
Russell Wilson, I think he is playing for a league
minimum right now. But you have to take into consideration
that the Broncos gave him a five year deal for
one hundred and twenty five on a hussy hold on
a second back up five year deal for two hundred
and forty five million dollars one hundred and sixty five
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million guaranteed, and he played exactly two years of that deal.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Great point, not to mention the bounty that the Seahawks
got to acquire.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Him in the first place.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
Assets assets going the other way, and they saved on
having to pay a max steel to a quarterback. Yeah, Russell,
the Russell Wilson contract has to be up there. Eddie
Curry is up there, but Russell Wilson's got to be
up there with DeShawn right. The only difference is that
Russell Wilson wasn't an awful human being to women.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Correct, that's a that's a pretty big distinction. He He's
performed worse than I think than DeShawn in many ways,
especially the first year, but it's a pretty big distinction.
I look, there's been a lot of bad quarterback contracts
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the just half. It's not that you know, Tremarcus Russell
and Sam Bradford, you know, and was a good quarterback.
He's always hurt and he just you know, but that
he remember he was the last guy to get the
big signing bonus as a rookie, got the fifty million
dollars up front. There's been plenty of guys that are
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bad quarterbacks. Deshawn's differences. It was five years guaranteed, fully guaranteed,
and he had the sexual assault stuff, and he's just
he's just been an energy drain for the Cleveland Browns.
That said, like, I think, knowing a guy has a
heart problem, an insurance company not picking it up and
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still going through with the contract.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
I know.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, by the way, he wasn't able to fulfill the
contract where DeShawn is not good enough, but it looks
like he'll still fill the contract. I think it might
make work. Yeah.
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Do you guys remember what we played for you yesterday
with Jerry Jones going off on my boy RJ Sean
Rjay in Dallas. Yeah, Jerry Jones told The Athletic yesterday,
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I don't know that I would go as far as
calling the volume connotation is yelling, okay, but the facts
are that if I'm going to be grilled by the tribunal,
I don't need it to be by the guys I'm paying.
I can take it from fans, I can take it
from people. I take a lot of pride and how
fair and how much I work I tried to do
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with the media. We're brothers and sisters. But I was
a little frustrated there today. We got in there as
of accounting for decisions made in the offseason. Okay, they
might as well have gone back to decisions made in
twenty ten. My point is that that's from my perspective,
that's there's no question. I'm sure they would have liked
to have grilled me, like the fans are thinking, but
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what are you gonna do about that? I get it,
I get all of that and really will go along
with it. That is the weirdest answer ever. He acts
like he's paying Sean Narjay because they're the flag their
station is the flag Shiphoulder, which I do under you're
not paying him, but hey, we're partners. You know you
can't rake me over the Colls. On the other hand,
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he's like, but I'll do it because that's what the
fans want. Jay Sty what do you hear when you
when you hear these comments, read these comments.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
I do think that when he says something like I
appreciate my relationship with the media, When he says that,
I think that's a completely self serving thing. He's the
only owner that does weekly radio hits. Now I guess
he's the only owner that is in charge of player
personnel as well. But I think Jerry Jones likes the
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attention he's so it's not like he's doing anyone a
favor by doing media. He by design does it because
he likes to be the face of the franchise. And
I thought what he did to those radio hosts yesterday
was out of line. I thought that his follow up
with the Athletic, if he was trying to show any
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kind of regret or further explain his position, he only
added insult to injury by basically calling these guys fans
that don't know what they're talking about when he says
I will take those kinds of questions from fans. The
radio hosts in that dynamic are an extension of the
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fan base. It's their job to ask the questions that
fans want to hear answers to, so he essentially is
talking to the fans. I know Jerry understands that dynamic.
I don't know why he keeps picking this fight, but
there's no apologies coming. We have what's his face ourj
he was on with Dan Patrick today. We've had almost
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three hundred of them with him. It's it's been fourteen.
Speaker 9 (26:07):
Years that we've done that interview with Jerry basically the
same time on Tuesdays, and we've never had anything like that.
Speaker 10 (26:14):
Any follow up from Jerry Jones after the interview, given
the fallout from it.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
No, not to us, and we haven't heard anything.
Speaker 9 (26:23):
And I'm sure that it would have been relayed to
us had there been but no, we actually talked yesterday.
You know, we were wondering if he would call in today.
He has an appearance Tuesday and the station, and then
Friday on the station, so he had We haven't heard
from him. That may change the week goes on, but
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as of now.
Speaker 10 (26:46):
No, did you take the thread seriously that you guys
are interchangeable parts there on the flagship station?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
No?
Speaker 9 (26:54):
No, I mean everybody's interchangeable, I suppose, but I'm serious, RJ.
It did seem serious, But you know, we were sitting
there wondering was he talking about like removing us physically
or just he's going to just do his interview on
another show on our station at a different time of day,
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which I mean, if he wants to do that, I mean,
that's I suppose that that's his prerogative. But now our company,
our boss has been behind us. They've not said a
word about that.
Speaker 10 (27:24):
But your job is to I mean, I don't know
if he expects team friendly questions. I don't know if
you've ever felt the need to do that to him.
It certainly didn't sound like when you said, Hey, that's
not my job. Your job is to ask questions that
fans want answers to.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Stuck gott Leap show here on Fox Sports Radio. Again,
I completely agree with Dan on this thing. And you know,
let's bring Isaac lowan cronin ILO, who know he's going
to do our updates today. Ilo also does that you
do the post game for the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Correct, correct?
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Now, very non controversial organization.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Right, go Chargas go.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Now that's different than Sean RJ. Because they're not on
the call. They're on the pre and the post and whatever.
But is there any anything that comes down Is there
anything that comes down the pipe that says, hey, you're
not allowed, especially with the last couple of years because
there were some debacles, Charged Raider debacle last year.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Anybody say you can't talk about anything.
Speaker 7 (28:35):
Never zero and you're right on. It was the fifty
six to twenty one last year, it was the Jacksonville
playoff collapse. The year before the year before that, it
was losing to the Raiders in overtime to miss the playoffs.
I heard zero either before or after, which I did appreciate.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
But you do, like, listen, you do get I worked
at ESPN. I'll never forget where uh uh I mean? Okay,
let's let's let's get into this is good. Okay. So
I was at ESPN and I was doing halftime of
the ACC semi finals, and at halftime, and I was
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sitting with Scott Reese who now does Stanford stuff, Tom Brennan,
the legendary former head coach of Vermont, and myself, and
Chris Collins was now Northwestern's head coach, was the associate
head coach. At halftime. If you remember, Mishryzewsky didn't do
the halftime interview, so I just said, like, why can't
(29:44):
we hear from coach K, like live on the broadcast,
So like, well, because Chris Collins does the I was
like yeah, but at halftime in front of his team.
No disrespect to coach. To Chris Collins, he's a friend
of mine, Like we're we grew up, were in the
same area, we're same era, we're both coaches sons. Like
I love Chris, But nobody's listening to what Chris says
(30:06):
in the locker room. They listen to what Coach K
says in the locker room. So he's USA's men's basketball coach,
he's the ledger. It's like, what do you think the
first half coach. What do you think is saying second half? Coach,
thanks so much? Coach like he can't do that? And
they're like, WHOA, I didn't think I said anything controversial.
We go to break and there was a red phone
(30:31):
behind us in what's called Studio C at ESPN, and
it rang with my boss. He's like, what are you doing?
Except he might have added a four letter word in there,
and I was like, uh, I don't doing halftime raps.
He's like, we have a great relationship with coach K
and Duke. Are you trying to ruin it? I was like,
(30:52):
why would I ruin the relationship? What was the win?
And what you said? So again? To me, it was
I didn't know. To them, it felt like a personal attack. Now,
Roy Williams, you know, he came and attacked me personally
and try to make fun of me after I said that.
(31:14):
A lot of people in basketball, and this was a
year in which they were favored to win a national championship.
They actually lost that year to Villanova in the national
championship game. Think that if he gets to a final four,
if he wins national championship, he might retire and he'd
hand the rains to Hubert Davis. Now he did not retire.
He did end up handing it rains to Hubert Davis,
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and it was widely discussed. So this is kind of
what they do. And I'm sure and I was told
at CBS that he had or somebody closed to him
had called CBS when they were negotiating the Champions Classic
deal and said, like, underno circumstances that they want me
(31:56):
working it. It was like because I said he might retire,
okay a bit much. So it does happen. Jerry sounds
worse because he's admitting what fans want. And as you said, Jason,
(32:18):
that's all we are as radio hosts anyway, we're you know,
educated fans, some more so than others. And I would
tell you that with Shawn and Rjay, I could question
what Shawn Rjy know outside of the world of Dallas sports,
but in Dallas sports pretty good, really good in fact.
(32:38):
So I just this is one of those well did
you expect to not be questioned and because of the
rights holder, they can't question you. I do think it's ridiculous,
but I've also thought it's ridiculous when others have threatened
the same long as we're fair. I don't really see
a problem with with the Q and A or even
with the commentary Stuck Gottleeb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
(33:00):
And we can have arguments about a lot of things
in the NFL. What we can't argue about is our
next guest is the greatest wide receiver of all time,
and it's not really up for discussion. He's the great
Jerry Rice, and he joins us on behalf of FedEx
Air and Ground Awards, and of course he's a Pro
Football Hall of Famer. NFL fans can vote weekly for
(33:21):
the FedEx Air and Ground NFL Players of the Week
Awards on x via the NFL published polls at NFL,
on NFL dot com, and on the NFL Mobile app
all season long. Jerry, how are you?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
I'm doing fantastic. How you doing?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I'm good man. Now I understand there's some exciting changes
with FedEx airon Ground NFL Players of the Week Awards.
What are those changes?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Receivers and tiding it. We're back in the mix.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
We're bag.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
So I'm excited about that. And this is the one
wide receiver award I missed out on, you know, back
doing my day but you know you can go to
NFL dot com slash FedEx to vote and uh, man, man,
this is really amazing because week three, Uh Juwan Jennings
(34:11):
of the San Francisco forty nine ers he won it.
And voting is Monday through Wednesday. And uh, you know,
I'm just happy to team up with FedEx and uh
and you know, with wide receivers, I think tight ends,
we like to think of ourselves as been an extension
of the quarterback. And uh and you know, making the
(34:34):
catch or you know, making that uh that that catch
for a slant go ninety five yards or something like that. Montana,
you will always say, hey, look you added like five
to ten more years onto my you know, you know,
my life, Yes, my life in general because I didn't
have to hold on to the ball that long. And
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so happy to be part of FedEx obviously.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
You know, then you had a second great career with
the Raiders, right, So you had Montana, he had Young
and then he had Gannon with the Raiders. I want
to ask you about a little later in your career.
Now you look at DeVante Adams leaving the Raiders, going
back to the Jets, but back to a guy who
he's worked with so well, how long do you think
it takes to adjust to Okay, we haven't played together
(35:21):
in a couple of years. Your arm might not be
as strong, my legs might be not be as fast,
but we still have that connection. How long does it
take to get back on the same page.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I don't think it's going to take long at all
because these guys they had, they were so productive in
Green Bay and the chemistry was there. So I'm expecting
Devonte Adams to go right into New York and and
be a factor. And I'm sure that's the reason why
they decided to bring him on board, because you know,
(35:53):
he could be that missing piece, you know, with the
experience and all of that, the way he can run route,
the way he can get downfield, the way he can
make catches, and just the chemistry of him and Aaron Rodgers.
But then that was another big one too, where a
Mari Cooper went to the Bills and and you know,
(36:15):
to see that play out, But when when you got
to experience wide receivers like that, I don't think that
transition is going to be that difficult.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
No, I don't think so as well. Amari is interesting though, right,
because he hasn't played with with Josh Allen obviously started.
You know, he's we've seen him all over a couple
different spots, you know, Raiders to Cowboys to Browns, now
to Bills. That one's different because again, haven't played together before.
(36:44):
New system, right, So what's that what's that assimilation like
when you're both talented, but it's a very new system,
new verbiage, maybe new routes.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Well, yeah, the only thing is they gonna make it,
you know, the offense as They're not going to give
him the entire game plan. They're gonna have certain plays
for Mari Coople where he can come in and feel
relaxed and feel like he could go on the football
field and actually be productive. So he doesn't get the
(37:15):
entire playbook. And I think with this experience, because you know,
he's an experience wide receiver, been around for a while,
and he's looking forward to this opportunity because now, actually
this is an opportunity where he might go to the
playoffs or maybe even have a chance to win in
(37:37):
the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
It's stuck Gottlib show here on Fox Sports. Trader some
One and Only Jerry Rice kind of to spend some
time with us year as we get you ready or
actually we got to get you voting for the FedEx
Aaron Bround Players of the Week. By the way, aren't
these awards also going to support HBCUs.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Oh yes, and HBCU. Who's you know? And I went
to miss the State University and FedEx. You know they've
donated two thousand for the Player of the Week winner.
They also give one hundred thousand toys scholarships for students
every year, and man, you know HBCU. I still have
(38:21):
to pinch myself because I remember Archie the gun sling
or Cooley Willie de Salde like Todd. I remember the
game all at against all Con State University in Jackson, Mississippi,
where we had close to seventy thousand fans, might it
might have been close to one hundred thousand, and just
(38:41):
playing in the swag and being a part of that
and getting drafted by the greatest franchise ever, the San
Francisco forty nine Ers.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Jerry, I'm really interested as you watch kind of the
evolution and now you mentioned how important wide receivers are.
That's why they're now back with it ends for the
air and ground player of the week, and the salaries
are growing at an exponential level, whereas the running backs
are not shrinking, but they're staying relatively the same. Who
are the guys that you like? Like watching at your level,
(39:15):
you see the position at such a much higher IQ
level than any of us can conceive. Who are some
of the guys you like? I like him. That's a
guy who I have a ton of respect for.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Well, I think the highest paid guy right now is
Justin Jefferson. I think he's around thirty five maybe thirty
six million. So you know, just watch him on the
football field is incredible. Where he can catch it underneath,
where he can stretch, the feel where his route running
(39:47):
is just like amazing. You know. Then you know you
come over to mont say like a Deebo, Samuel Brandon,
I you you know, like a George Kittle, know these
type of guys. But you know DeVante Adams what he
does on the football field. So I stiill sit back
(40:07):
and I watched these guys just make plays and how
they just enjoy playing football.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Jerry the the The Niners have had a tough little
start for the season. A lot of injuries obviously Christian's
been hurt. Others have been hurt as well. Uh, this
has been a team that's gotten close, right, They've gotten
the Super Bowls, have gotten close. This current mix if healthy.
What's your confidence level they can win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Well it starts this weekend because we have the Chiefs
coming into town. So we we got to get over
that hurdle. We got to beat the Chiefs. And and
you know, because it's the same scenario because when Dallas
kept coming to San Francisco and they kept beating us
and stuff like that, you know, they would just take
(40:55):
your heart. So until we can beat them, then we
you know, once we beat them, that's when we can
start like hey, look still uh taking one game at
a time and trying to get to the playoffs and uh,
you know, get to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
While meanwhile you have Mahomes who has you know, no
disrespect there, guys, but nobody of the debo or the
IUK level. And yet here they just they just keep
finding ways to win games.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
They find a way, they find a way to win
no matter what. And and I think I have to
do a lot with Andy Reid and uh that quarterback,
you know, Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
He's he's a he's a pretty good one. Jerry, thanks
so much for you and for FedEx h for a
lining you to be on with us. We really really
appreciate you what you're doing, especially for those HBC us.
Thanks for our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
All right, we need those fans to vote. Now, let's go.
All right, have a good one you too.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
That's the great Jerry Rice joining us on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. You know the thing
about Jerry is, I was having a discussion with a
friend of mine who was like, you know, he's the
second greatest football player of all time? And I was like,
who's the first. He's a Giants fan, so he said,
Lawrence Taylor. But the one thing I we we can't
all agree, he's the greatest wide receiver ever. Like, that's
(42:13):
not even you can do your your you can do
a debate at quarterback. You know, Brady's the most successful
was he actually the best quarterback? Well, it's a it's
a different kind of conversation. Jerry Rice's best wide receiver
of all time? Is there anyone else who you would
put anywhere near that class? Answers.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
Now, isn't the isn't t O in that conversation? But
t O isn't even in the Hall of Fame, Like.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
Is he really?
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Remember a few years ago he was like, I'm not
going to the ceremony.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Wouldn't go to the ceremony.
Speaker 8 (42:52):
Oh that's right, yeah, boycotter At Dickerson was with him too.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
Yeah. Interesting, I think is up there right, he's not.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
He's yeah, whatever you want to wherever you want to
put him. But no one would say tar Owens is
the best wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
Bol who's after Jerry.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Well, that's where it gets That's where it gets interesting, right,
he can be a million different people. I mean, Randy
Moss is probably the greatest deep threat ever Teror Owens
was unbelievable f all players just he did it all.
I'm listen. I don't know if he's in the Hall
of Fame. At Steve Smith was remarkable for a long time.
(43:29):
Uh yeah, Megatron, more of those big bodies. But Jerry
Rice was such a different level, such a different level. Islo,
you got a favorite wide receiver ball time.
Speaker 7 (43:44):
I think it's Jerry Rice and it's not even close.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
He So who would be second.
Speaker 7 (43:50):
Exactly. I throw a name out there, the likes of
maybe a Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Great player. Yeah, I don't think people remember how good
Larry Fitzgerald was that year they went to the Super
Bowl and lost with the Arizona Cardinals. He's the best
player in football.
Speaker 7 (44:07):
The postseason was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah, he's second all time in receiving areage Larry Fitzgerald. Yep,
Isaac Bruce is fifth.
Speaker 8 (44:16):
Boo Okay, so I just accessed NFL Media's survey. This
is kind of ridiculous. So top five startant at five.
Steve Vargent, Lance Alworth is number four. So this gives
you a kind of an indication of the direction of
this list. Third overall is Randy Moss and second of
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overall Don Hudson played in nineteen thirties.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Sure, Green Bay Packers, Don Hudson.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
Yeah, so that was a bad wist.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Sorry, it's a bad list.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
It's a bad list. And I'm not one of these
guys saying they're playing against plumbers, but they were playing
against plumbers. And because the other part to it is
the other part remains where it's like, yeah, with the
players they're playing against me better but they would, but
(45:09):
so would the actual guys, like they'd have modern way
training too. It's not like just the defense gets modern
weight training. And I know he's been hurt a lot.
And again I'm not this is gonna sound crazy, but
maybe it's. Maybe it is. I got to see how
(45:31):
many years he's been in the league. He's thirty one
years old. He has been hurt a good deal recently.
Where is Cooper Cup in terms of I guess he
only had, really, yeah, he had because injury has shortened
his seasons. Right, ninety four catches, ninety two catches, one
hundred and forty five in their Super Bowl year. Part
(45:53):
of it is, I'm just that was the greatest performance
I've seen from a wide receiver in a Super Bowl.
Every won the game on a game sliving winning drive
when they really only had one guy to throw two
and it was Cooper Cup and he was double covered
the entire time. But I just the numbers aren't with
all the injuries.
Speaker 8 (46:11):
There's just no way I think people nowadays would make
the case for Mike Evans if it's a current player.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Mike Evans is really good, really productive, won a Super Bowl.
He held a player it's not a bad one, but
nowhere near Jerry Rice, right. That's that's kind of the
point of the entire exercise.
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Speaker 1 (00:55):
Me too. We have a big game in Major League
Baseball right, Game three of the Mets taking on the Dodgers.
Series is tied at one a piece. That game is
at eight o eight on the East coast, right, so
late start time for the East. But a series tied
at one obviously a tremendous amount of pressure in these
(01:19):
two games for the Dodgers to take back home field advantage.
We got a little little bit of football. I was
bored last night and I'm watching them, like, why is
our college game on a Tuesday night? That was weird
some action on a Tuesday night. But we're getting you
(01:40):
ready for what I think is going to be as
good a football weekend as you're going to find all
year long if you look at if you look at
the schedules. A lot to get to. But I wanted
to start with the biggest football story of the past
week and a half has been the Jets. And this
was Woody Johnson, the owner of the Jets, having an
(02:00):
exchange with reporters.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
You want to bring a lot of change this week?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Do you just have to go with your instinct and
what's the best best thing to build a team and
build a winning team and build a most importantly, build
a culture.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Are you still optimistic that this season is salvageable?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
We're gonna chick. Are you're gonna have the words after that?
We're gonna we're gonna do really well.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Um okay, okay, that's so, we're gonna do really well. Yeah.
I just what leads him to believe that there's just
been so much change, so much turmol, so much tumult, Like,
what what is it? I obviously they you'd think they
win the other night if they can simply make a
(02:45):
makeable Fueld goal. But the Jets go to Pittsburgh this
upcoming weekend, right then they go to New England. That
feels like a game. Maybe they can be competitive, maybe
they can win, although it's not like the Patriot's gonna
lay down for him. Texans and home, Texans are good.
Go to Arizona, take on the Cardinals, Colts at home, Okay,
maybe bye week, Seahawks at home, maybe at Dolphins. We
(03:09):
don't know if too will be back by then at Jaguars,
Rams at home, at Bill's Dolphins. It's not crazy to
conceive that they can make the playoffs. This, by the way,
is what so many wish the Cowboys would do in
terms of all in, which is really go all in.
But end of the day, they've tied their horse to
(03:31):
Aaron Rodgers. And what if Aaron Rodgers just isn't that
good anymore? Right, isn't that good anymore? I don't know
what if that's That's not the way I would go
about it. I heard Colin say earlier today that consistency
(03:52):
is what's needed, and I would agree. I would agree
it's level headed approach. Now you have to have the
right people and you have to trust them. But this
is not consistency and I like Look, I like the
DeVante Adams trade. You still run in the same problem
(04:14):
where Aaron Rodgers doesn't appear to be the same guy
as he used to be. Now is he good enough? Yeah,
he should still be good enough in that division. I'm
not a huge to a guy. Although TA has great weapons,
but to it doesn't have the defense the Jets have.
But the Woody Johnson thing, and I have no bone
(04:37):
to pick with him. But enough people in the NFL,
and you've had enough of these stories, and you've had
so much change constantly, constantly with his team stands the
reason that people will roll their eyes at things stands
the reason I completely understand completely. So I I sit
(05:00):
here and try and wonder to myself, why do the
Jets think that constantly changing things is going to make
things better? And even if it makes it modestly better,
and maybe they do sneak into the playoffs, the fact
is that Aaron Rodgers likely to be gone at the
end of this year, and you're gonna start all over anyway.
(05:24):
You know, there's an expression in professional sports that goes
like this owner's own. Now, owner's own is not a
not a positive expression. It's just an expression of when
all these other people are doing their jobs and trying
to figure out how to get better, and the owner
comes in and says, that's great, but I'm doing it
this way because I want to do it this way.
(05:46):
That's going to the owner's own. It's his money. What
are you gonna do? And I'm sure Jay stew has
been a part of that, whether it's with this show,
if we've done something where he's like, ah, really, you know,
I technically would be the owner of the content. Sometimes
you have to go along with people in charge. But
(06:10):
Woody Johnson has had a history of this, and he's
only helping or enhancing that negative reputation based upon the
way in which he's done it. And then the other
part to it. I've said this since it happened, like
even Aaron Rodgers and the Redline come out about Mike Williams,
which wasn't needed. All you had to do with Mike Williams, Hey,
(06:33):
what happened on that? The second interceptions? It's just a
miscommunication between me and Mike. We got to get on
the same page. That's on me. Everybody in the locker
room and who watches film and the coaching staff can
know that Mike Williams didn't run a red line route.
But Aaron Rodgers need to make sure and point out
(06:54):
that Mike Williams ran the wrong route. Maybe he thinks
that motivated the Jets to go and get DeVante Adams,
but he easily could have gotten out the podium and
then pulled Joe Douglas aside and said, dude, that guy,
he's running the wrong route. That ends up costing us
the game. And then Aaron Rodgers, who's his defense, would be, Hey,
(07:17):
I just I don't want to lie to people. I'm
just telling the truth. Okay, Then why do you lie
to us about Woody Johnson not talking to you about
or telling you he was going to make a coaching change,
Because no one believes you, No one nor should they.
So they still have a lot of talent on defense,
(07:38):
still have Aaron Rodgers. Now they have two talented wide receivers,
pretty good running back line's Okay, division bills are better
with the Marii Cooper, but not great. Hey, Dolphins are
eventually they'll get two O. They're okay, They're not great,
(08:01):
And you know, you look at the rest of that
you look at the rest of their schedule, and you say,
you know what, it's not crazy to think, not crazy
to think that this is a team that could ultimately
make the playoffs. But man, there's so much dysfunction and
so much finger pointing in Aaron Rodgers. There's so many
people under the bus, and now you've got an interim
(08:23):
head coach, whereas Aaron seems to be making at least
a portion of the decisions. Doesn't feel like it works.
Doesn't feel like it works.
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every Wednesday is the middle of the week. We have
a one hour podcast which we drop at the end
(09:21):
of the show, so technically three hours this would be
middle of the show, and we're in the middle of
the day. So let's get to the midway. It's not
getting the middle It's time for the.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Midway discussion is is uh worst contracting sports? And I
bring it up because I think the the narrative most
people will give you is that, uh, it's got to
be Deshaun Watson because in addition to being a CU
(10:00):
used a sexual assault by forty people forty women, he
got the first fully guaranteed five year contract in the
history of the NFL. And he's terrible, not terrible, he's
just not good. He's not good enough. And they actually
made the playoffs last year with his backup who formerly
was a very good quarterback in Joe black Ohwa's play
(10:21):
well this year. But again, like you have the biggest
contract in the islor sports the history of the sport
at the time, fully guaranteed, and they're better without you.
That's a yikes. So let's go round the room a
little bit here, Ilo, what's your worst contract ever?
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Ever?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Ever?
Speaker 7 (10:39):
It is Deshaun Watson. But on the premise that we're
talking about something else, I'm gonna go Bobby Bonia with
the Mets back in the day, the gift that keeps
on giving every year.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Okay, So why is it a bet? Why is his
why is his contract still bad?
Speaker 7 (11:02):
It's not so much the on field consequences. It's just
the ridiculousness of it all to have a contract. Yeah,
not not from not from Bobby's, but it's just it's
just comic. It's just so comical that it's gotten to
the point that there's literally a holiday after it. And
(11:24):
remember I'm on record as saying it's still the Deshaun
Watson by far. But if I had to pick something else,
I would go with that.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
Why would the agent sign up for that? Or was
that Bonia's what's the story behind that?
Speaker 7 (11:37):
Because but it's isn't a good deal. It's a great
deal for Bonia. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It's not a terrible deal for the Mets either. Fair
to put money and they put a lot less money
in estro with the guarantee that it'll be worth you know,
a million dollars per year once they get there. It's
not close to being a bad you know. He wasn't uh,
he wasn't peaked Bania with the Mets. But it wasn't terrible,
(12:02):
you know, wasn't terrible. Played three full seasons in another season,
you know, hit nineteen thirty four twenty and eighteen home
runs in half a season before he was traded. So
I just don't do the fact that he's still getting paid.
That's just deferred money. He's not the only one.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
It's like the old argument with the watery. You take
all the money now, less money now or over your lifetime.
And I always thought the economists or people that know
money are like, you take the less money now and
then put it in some kind of a savings saying
that the interest alone will pay you more.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Than the year to year point.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
You know what, I'm going to change my mind if
I can Albert Poolholtz angels.
Speaker 8 (12:44):
Hold on a second, Hold on a second, we're getting
out of wine here. I claim Poolholes for myself very well.
So I'm going to clean that up and edit.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
We're just reminded of Bobby Bonia day every year. So
I think that's why we wish always think about it
and uh yeah, yeah, you could put that money away
and listen, if you're if you're a you have trouble
with your spending habits, then getting a million or so
every year is probably good for you.
Speaker 8 (13:09):
I don't know how many spending habits are, but that
was my theory with the Otani deal number. The theory
that I started is that all the deferred money in
year ten was his agent's way of saying, that gives
you nine years to clean up your gambling habit and
then we'll give you all the money at the end.
If we give it to you, now you're gonna gamble
it or.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
What so, so you're going with Pooholes.
Speaker 8 (13:37):
Albert Pooholz, at the age of thirty two, was lucky
enough to get a ten year contract from the Angels
for two hundred and forty million dollars. The crazy thing
about that number is I think he signed that contract
in like twenty twenty ten. That sounds like a lot
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of money today, Like if somebody's a ten year two
forty you're like, wow, that's great, good for you. I
want to say, Ronald Acuna sign that deal and pooh
Hooles never never lived up to that contract, and he
started to slow down much slower than everyone thought. Everyone remember,
Albert Poohols supposedly allegedly lied on his birth certificate, so
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he was always older than we thought, so that he
was probably actually thirty six when he saw that deal.
The Angels are a mess because I really I'm going
to save them any kind of grief here by not
mentioning the Josh Hamilton deal and by not mentioning the
Anthony Rendon deal.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
So I'll just I'll save them the grief.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Uh, big apple, Sam.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
This doesn't approach to Sean Watson level, but I'll go
to the college ranks between a coach and a university.
Let's go back to twenty seventeen when Texas A and
M hired Jimbo Fish Sure and he signed a ten year,
seventy five million dollar contract. And what was special about
that contract The school promised him every penny outlined in
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the contract even if he was fired. Okay, and even worse,
if Jimbo Fisher decided to leave for another gig, he
would owe the school zero dollars and there was no
language in the contract offset those terms so that Fisher
would get the entire worth of his deal even if
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he were to take another job. I'm quoting a CBS
Sports article here, but here we go. Here's here it
gets even worse. Lsu sniffed around Texas A and M
and twenty twenty one, after Texas A and M was
coming off of a good COVID year, I guess, and
they signed him to another deal restarting the clock ten year,
ninety five million dollars. And after he was fired going
(15:57):
forty five and twenty five, he was paid seventy million dollars.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Not to coach.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
So that's a pretty pretty bad at college football contract.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Stunned. Stunned by those numbers.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
My turnt?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Do it?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Do you guys remember the Eddie Curry contract with the Knicks?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Oh? Yeah, okay?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Do you remember? Sam? Are you too young to remember?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Too young? Too young for that?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Okay, So Eddie Curry signed a six year, sixty million
dollar deal with the Knicks. Now does that sound like
huge money? Probably no in this day and age, but
at the time it was top of the market. Right now,
what's important to understand is when they took Eddie Curry.
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They took Eddie Curry. He had a heart problem. And
the thing about guaranteed contracts are they have to be
in otherwise the team has to pay out of pocket,
right like none of them. When a guy gets hurt.
If Tua, for example, gets hurt, has to retire, can't play,
the Dolphins aren't paying the rest of that contract. The
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insurance facing. As a matter of fact, if you remember back,
that's how Magic Johnson found out he had HIV. Was
before every season players had to take, you know, a
blood test for the insurance. Those and I've often said,
if anybody wants to be in the Hall of Fame,
all those blood tests, the fighting of them still exist
(17:35):
in baseball. Just allow us to see your blood test.
We can see whether or not you were cycling on
steroids in the offseason. Anyway, Eddie Curry being signed to
a sixty million dollar contract, one that he never came
close to living up to. And oh yeah, by the way,
Isaiah Thomas signing him to it when he had a
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heart problem, So it was an uninsurable contract. I believe
it's the worst contract of all time. Look the pool
holes thing it was, It was bad. It was. It
was absolutely bad. Okay, but they knew Poolhole stood age.
No one could have No one could have known they'd
have the constant foot problem or whatever. You knew he
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was gonna age, and that's what she did to kind
of get him. Like I, it's a lot of money,
but I do get it. On the some level, you
knew Eddie Curry didn't have a good work ethic. You
knew Eddie Curry because remember this is an Isaiah Thomas deal.
He had a heart problem. You wouldn't be able and
you wouldn't have to pay that much because he had
the heart problem. You could have gotten him for pennies
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because there's an uninsured contract. You didn't. That's the worst
contract I could think. No I made, what Jase do?
I'm sure you have more.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Though, Well, my Eddie Curry story, I need to tell her.
I'm gonna take everyone behind behind the what is it
behind the curtain?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Curtain?
Speaker 8 (18:57):
I booked Eddie Curry on the Jim Romp Show. Was
right around that time that he signed the contract, or
maybe in this maybe in his rookie year. I signed
Eddie Curry. And that was back in the day when
you know all radio shows were just radio shows, and
he just.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Had phone interviews. That's what That's what it was.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
So so I get a call from the agent a
couple of minutes before the interview, is like he's like, hey,
Eddie's ready to go. Where where do you guys need him?
And I'm like, what do you mean just just hand
them a phone? No, he's he got his braid's done,
like he just spent like eight dollars on a haircut,
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like he got whatever whatever you do to get braids done.
And I'm like, oh no, this is a phone interview.
And the agent cussed me up.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Wait he thought he had to be he had his
braids down because he thought he was he be on TV. Yes,
Eddie Curry. By the way court court records. One way
he blew his money was he was spending over a
thousand dollars a month on cable.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I thought I was paying a lot for internet. How
do you pay? How do you how does it even happen?
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Did he?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Well? I guess, hey, that's a you know what.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
In hindsight though, with that story that Jay Sdo just
told that's a better deal compared to his haircut deal.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
I don't know how much you get, you have to
pay for those. I have no idea, but he was pissed.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Not she would you like eight months worth of cable
or to get your hair done?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
That's a lot of money.
Speaker 8 (20:33):
Well, I think Russell Wilson's getting ignored in this conversation.
Russell Wilson, I think he is playing for a league
minimum right now. But you have to take into consideration
that the Broncos gave him a five year deal for
one hundred and twenty five on a hussy hold on
a second back up five year deal for two hundred
and forty five million dollars one hundred and sixty five
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million guaranteed, and he played exactly two years of that deal.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Great point, not to mention the bounty that the Seahawks
got to acquire.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Him in the first place.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
Assets assets going the other way, and they saved on
having to pay a max steel to a quarterback. Yeah, Russell,
the Russell Wilson contract has to be up there. Eddie
Curry is up there, but Russell Wilson's got to be
up there with DeShawn right. The only difference is that
Russell Wilson wasn't an awful human being to women.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Correct, that's a that's a pretty big distinction. He He's
performed worse than I think than DeShawn in many ways,
especially the first year, but it's a pretty big distinction.
I look, there's been a lot of bad quarterback contracts
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the just half. It's not that you know, Tremarcus Russell
and Sam Bradford, you know, and was a good quarterback.
He's always hurt and he just you know, but that
he remember he was the last guy to get the
big signing bonus as a rookie, got the fifty million
dollars up front. There's been plenty of guys that are
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bad quarterbacks. Deshawn's differences. It was five years guaranteed, fully guaranteed,
and he had the sexual assault stuff, and he's just
he's just been an energy drain for the Cleveland Browns.
That said, like, I think, knowing a guy has a
heart problem, an insurance company not picking it up and
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still going through with the contract.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
I know.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, by the way, he wasn't able to fulfill the
contract where DeShawn is not good enough, but it looks
like he'll still fill the contract. I think it might
make work. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
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Speaker 1 (23:02):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. And that's a fact.
Do you guys remember what we played for you yesterday
with Jerry Jones going off on my boy RJ Sean
Rjay in Dallas. Yeah, Jerry Jones told The Athletic yesterday,
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I don't know that I would go as far as
calling the volume connotation is yelling, okay, but the facts
are that if I'm going to be grilled by the tribunal,
I don't need it to be by the guys I'm paying.
I can take it from fans, I can take it
from people. I take a lot of pride and how
fair and how much I work I tried to do
(23:45):
with the media. We're brothers and sisters. But I was
a little frustrated there today. We got in there as
of accounting for decisions made in the offseason. Okay, they
might as well have gone back to decisions made in
twenty ten. My point is that that's from my perspective,
that's there's no question. I'm sure they would have liked
to have grilled me, like the fans are thinking, but
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what are you gonna do about that? I get it,
I get all of that and really will go along
with it. That is the weirdest answer ever. He acts
like he's paying Sean Narjay because they're the flag their
station is the flag Shiphoulder, which I do under you're
not paying him, but hey, we're partners. You know you
can't rake me over the Colls. On the other hand,
(24:29):
he's like, but I'll do it because that's what the
fans want. Jay Sty what do you hear when you
when you hear these comments, read these comments.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
I do think that when he says something like I
appreciate my relationship with the media, When he says that,
I think that's a completely self serving thing. He's the
only owner that does weekly radio hits. Now I guess
he's the only owner that is in charge of player
personnel as well. But I think Jerry Jones likes the
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attention he's so it's not like he's doing anyone a
favor by doing media. He by design does it because
he likes to be the face of the franchise. And
I thought what he did to those radio hosts yesterday
was out of line. I thought that his follow up
with the Athletic, if he was trying to show any
(25:22):
kind of regret or further explain his position, he only
added insult to injury by basically calling these guys fans
that don't know what they're talking about when he says
I will take those kinds of questions from fans. The
radio hosts in that dynamic are an extension of the
(25:42):
fan base. It's their job to ask the questions that
fans want to hear answers to, so he essentially is
talking to the fans. I know Jerry understands that dynamic.
I don't know why he keeps picking this fight, but
there's no apologies coming. We have what's his face ourj
he was on with Dan Patrick today. We've had almost
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three hundred of them with him. It's it's been fourteen.
Speaker 9 (26:07):
Years that we've done that interview with Jerry basically the
same time on Tuesdays, and we've never had anything like that.
Speaker 10 (26:14):
Any follow up from Jerry Jones after the interview, given
the fallout from it.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
No, not to us, and we haven't heard anything.
Speaker 9 (26:23):
And I'm sure that it would have been relayed to
us had there been but no, we actually talked yesterday.
You know, we were wondering if he would call in today.
He has an appearance Tuesday and the station, and then
Friday on the station, so he had We haven't heard
from him. That may change the week goes on, but
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as of now.
Speaker 10 (26:46):
No, did you take the thread seriously that you guys
are interchangeable parts there on the flagship station?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
No?
Speaker 9 (26:54):
No, I mean everybody's interchangeable, I suppose, but I'm serious, RJ.
It did seem serious, But you know, we were sitting
there wondering was he talking about like removing us physically
or just he's going to just do his interview on
another show on our station at a different time of day,
(27:16):
which I mean, if he wants to do that, I mean,
that's I suppose that that's his prerogative. But now our company,
our boss has been behind us. They've not said a
word about that.
Speaker 10 (27:24):
But your job is to I mean, I don't know
if he expects team friendly questions. I don't know if
you've ever felt the need to do that to him.
It certainly didn't sound like when you said, Hey, that's
not my job. Your job is to ask questions that
fans want answers to.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Stuck gott Leap show here on Fox Sports Radio. Again,
I completely agree with Dan on this thing. And you know,
let's bring Isaac lowan cronin ILO, who know he's going
to do our updates today. Ilo also does that you
do the post game for the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Correct, correct?
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Now, very non controversial organization.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Right, go Chargas go.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Now that's different than Sean RJ. Because they're not on
the call. They're on the pre and the post and whatever.
But is there any anything that comes down Is there
anything that comes down the pipe that says, hey, you're
not allowed, especially with the last couple of years because
there were some debacles, Charged Raider debacle last year.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Anybody say you can't talk about anything.
Speaker 7 (28:35):
Never zero and you're right on. It was the fifty
six to twenty one last year, it was the Jacksonville
playoff collapse. The year before the year before that, it
was losing to the Raiders in overtime to miss the playoffs.
I heard zero either before or after, which I did appreciate.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
But you do, like, listen, you do get I worked
at ESPN. I'll never forget where uh uh I mean? Okay,
let's let's let's get into this is good. Okay. So
I was at ESPN and I was doing halftime of
the ACC semi finals, and at halftime, and I was
(29:23):
sitting with Scott Reese who now does Stanford stuff, Tom Brennan,
the legendary former head coach of Vermont, and myself, and
Chris Collins was now Northwestern's head coach, was the associate
head coach. At halftime. If you remember, Mishryzewsky didn't do
the halftime interview, so I just said, like, why can't
(29:44):
we hear from coach K, like live on the broadcast,
So like, well, because Chris Collins does the I was
like yeah, but at halftime in front of his team.
No disrespect to coach. To Chris Collins, he's a friend
of mine, Like we're we grew up, were in the
same area, we're same era, we're both coaches sons. Like
I love Chris, But nobody's listening to what Chris says
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in the locker room. They listen to what Coach K
says in the locker room. So he's USA's men's basketball coach,
he's the ledger. It's like, what do you think the
first half coach. What do you think is saying second half? Coach,
thanks so much? Coach like he can't do that? And
they're like, WHOA, I didn't think I said anything controversial.
We go to break and there was a red phone
(30:31):
behind us in what's called Studio C at ESPN, and
it rang with my boss. He's like, what are you doing?
Except he might have added a four letter word in there,
and I was like, uh, I don't doing halftime raps.
He's like, we have a great relationship with coach K
and Duke. Are you trying to ruin it? I was like,
(30:52):
why would I ruin the relationship? What was the win?
And what you said? So again? To me, it was
I didn't know. To them, it felt like a personal attack. Now,
Roy Williams, you know, he came and attacked me personally
and try to make fun of me after I said that.
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A lot of people in basketball, and this was a
year in which they were favored to win a national championship.
They actually lost that year to Villanova in the national
championship game. Think that if he gets to a final four,
if he wins national championship, he might retire and he'd
hand the rains to Hubert Davis. Now he did not retire.
He did end up handing it rains to Hubert Davis,
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and it was widely discussed. So this is kind of
what they do. And I'm sure and I was told
at CBS that he had or somebody closed to him
had called CBS when they were negotiating the Champions Classic
deal and said, like, underno circumstances that they want me
(31:56):
working it. It was like because I said he might retire,
okay a bit much. So it does happen. Jerry sounds
worse because he's admitting what fans want. And as you said, Jason,
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that's all we are as radio hosts anyway, we're you know,
educated fans, some more so than others. And I would
tell you that with Shawn and Rjay, I could question
what Shawn Rjy know outside of the world of Dallas sports,
but in Dallas sports pretty good, really good in fact.
(32:38):
So I just this is one of those well did
you expect to not be questioned and because of the
rights holder, they can't question you. I do think it's ridiculous,
but I've also thought it's ridiculous when others have threatened
the same long as we're fair. I don't really see
a problem with with the Q and A or even
with the commentary Stuck Gottleeb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
(33:00):
And we can have arguments about a lot of things
in the NFL. What we can't argue about is our
next guest is the greatest wide receiver of all time,
and it's not really up for discussion. He's the great
Jerry Rice, and he joins us on behalf of FedEx
Air and Ground Awards, and of course he's a Pro
Football Hall of Famer. NFL fans can vote weekly for
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the FedEx Air and Ground NFL Players of the Week
Awards on x via the NFL published polls at NFL,
on NFL dot com, and on the NFL Mobile app
all season long. Jerry, how are you?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
I'm doing fantastic. How you doing?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I'm good man. Now I understand there's some exciting changes
with FedEx airon Ground NFL Players of the Week Awards.
What are those changes?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Receivers and tiding it. We're back in the mix.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
We're bag.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
So I'm excited about that. And this is the one
wide receiver award I missed out on, you know, back
doing my day but you know you can go to
NFL dot com slash FedEx to vote and uh, man, man,
this is really amazing because week three, Uh Juwan Jennings
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of the San Francisco forty nine ers he won it.
And voting is Monday through Wednesday. And uh, you know,
I'm just happy to team up with FedEx and uh
and you know, with wide receivers, I think tight ends,
we like to think of ourselves as been an extension
of the quarterback. And uh and you know, making the
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catch or you know, making that uh that that catch
for a slant go ninety five yards or something like that. Montana,
you will always say, hey, look you added like five
to ten more years onto my you know, you know,
my life, Yes, my life in general because I didn't
have to hold on to the ball that long. And
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so happy to be part of FedEx obviously.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
You know, then you had a second great career with
the Raiders, right, So you had Montana, he had Young
and then he had Gannon with the Raiders. I want
to ask you about a little later in your career.
Now you look at DeVante Adams leaving the Raiders, going
back to the Jets, but back to a guy who
he's worked with so well, how long do you think
it takes to adjust to Okay, we haven't played together
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in a couple of years. Your arm might not be
as strong, my legs might be not be as fast,
but we still have that connection. How long does it
take to get back on the same page.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I don't think it's going to take long at all
because these guys they had, they were so productive in
Green Bay and the chemistry was there. So I'm expecting
Devonte Adams to go right into New York and and
be a factor. And I'm sure that's the reason why
they decided to bring him on board, because you know,
(35:53):
he could be that missing piece, you know, with the
experience and all of that, the way he can run route,
the way he can get downfield, the way he can
make catches, and just the chemistry of him and Aaron Rodgers.
But then that was another big one too, where a
Mari Cooper went to the Bills and and you know,
(36:15):
to see that play out, But when when you got
to experience wide receivers like that, I don't think that
transition is going to be that difficult.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
No, I don't think so as well. Amari is interesting though, right,
because he hasn't played with with Josh Allen obviously started.
You know, he's we've seen him all over a couple
different spots, you know, Raiders to Cowboys to Browns, now
to Bills. That one's different because again, haven't played together before.
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New system, right, So what's that what's that assimilation like
when you're both talented, but it's a very new system,
new verbiage, maybe new routes.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Well, yeah, the only thing is they gonna make it,
you know, the offense as They're not going to give
him the entire game plan. They're gonna have certain plays
for Mari Coople where he can come in and feel
relaxed and feel like he could go on the football
field and actually be productive. So he doesn't get the
(37:15):
entire playbook. And I think with this experience, because you know,
he's an experience wide receiver, been around for a while,
and he's looking forward to this opportunity because now, actually
this is an opportunity where he might go to the
playoffs or maybe even have a chance to win in
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the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
It's stuck Gottlib show here on Fox Sports. Trader some
One and Only Jerry Rice kind of to spend some
time with us year as we get you ready or
actually we got to get you voting for the FedEx
Aaron Bround Players of the Week. By the way, aren't
these awards also going to support HBCUs.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Oh yes, and HBCU. Who's you know? And I went
to miss the State University and FedEx. You know they've
donated two thousand for the Player of the Week winner.
They also give one hundred thousand toys scholarships for students
every year, and man, you know HBCU. I still have
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to pinch myself because I remember Archie the gun sling
or Cooley Willie de Salde like Todd. I remember the
game all at against all Con State University in Jackson, Mississippi,
where we had close to seventy thousand fans, might it
might have been close to one hundred thousand, and just
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playing in the swag and being a part of that
and getting drafted by the greatest franchise ever, the San
Francisco forty nine Ers.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Jerry, I'm really interested as you watch kind of the
evolution and now you mentioned how important wide receivers are.
That's why they're now back with it ends for the
air and ground player of the week, and the salaries
are growing at an exponential level, whereas the running backs
are not shrinking, but they're staying relatively the same. Who
are the guys that you like? Like watching at your level,
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you see the position at such a much higher IQ
level than any of us can conceive. Who are some
of the guys you like? I like him. That's a
guy who I have a ton of respect for.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Well, I think the highest paid guy right now is
Justin Jefferson. I think he's around thirty five maybe thirty
six million. So you know, just watch him on the
football field is incredible. Where he can catch it underneath,
where he can stretch, the feel where his route running
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is just like amazing. You know. Then you know you
come over to mont say like a Deebo, Samuel Brandon,
I you you know, like a George Kittle, know these
type of guys. But you know DeVante Adams what he
does on the football field. So I stiill sit back
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and I watched these guys just make plays and how
they just enjoy playing football.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Jerry the the The Niners have had a tough little
start for the season. A lot of injuries obviously Christian's
been hurt. Others have been hurt as well. Uh, this
has been a team that's gotten close, right, They've gotten
the Super Bowls, have gotten close. This current mix if healthy.
What's your confidence level they can win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Well it starts this weekend because we have the Chiefs
coming into town. So we we got to get over
that hurdle. We got to beat the Chiefs. And and
you know, because it's the same scenario because when Dallas
kept coming to San Francisco and they kept beating us
and stuff like that, you know, they would just take
(40:55):
your heart. So until we can beat them, then we
you know, once we beat them, that's when we can
start like hey, look still uh taking one game at
a time and trying to get to the playoffs and uh,
you know, get to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
While meanwhile you have Mahomes who has you know, no
disrespect there, guys, but nobody of the debo or the
IUK level. And yet here they just they just keep
finding ways to win games.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
They find a way, they find a way to win
no matter what. And and I think I have to
do a lot with Andy Reid and uh that quarterback,
you know, Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
He's he's a he's a pretty good one. Jerry, thanks
so much for you and for FedEx h for a
lining you to be on with us. We really really
appreciate you what you're doing, especially for those HBC us.
Thanks for our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
All right, we need those fans to vote. Now, let's go.
All right, have a good one you too.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
That's the great Jerry Rice joining us on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. You know the thing
about Jerry is, I was having a discussion with a
friend of mine who was like, you know, he's the
second greatest football player of all time? And I was like,
who's the first. He's a Giants fan, so he said,
Lawrence Taylor. But the one thing I we we can't
all agree, he's the greatest wide receiver ever. Like, that's
(42:13):
not even you can do your your you can do
a debate at quarterback. You know, Brady's the most successful
was he actually the best quarterback? Well, it's a it's
a different kind of conversation. Jerry Rice's best wide receiver
of all time? Is there anyone else who you would
put anywhere near that class? Answers.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
Now, isn't the isn't t O in that conversation? But
t O isn't even in the Hall of Fame, Like.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
Is he really?
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Remember a few years ago he was like, I'm not
going to the ceremony.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Wouldn't go to the ceremony.
Speaker 8 (42:52):
Oh that's right, yeah, boycotter At Dickerson was with him too.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
Yeah. Interesting, I think is up there right, he's not.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
He's yeah, whatever you want to wherever you want to
put him. But no one would say tar Owens is
the best wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
Bol who's after Jerry.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Well, that's where it gets That's where it gets interesting, right,
he can be a million different people. I mean, Randy
Moss is probably the greatest deep threat ever Teror Owens
was unbelievable f all players just he did it all.
I'm listen. I don't know if he's in the Hall
of Fame. At Steve Smith was remarkable for a long time.
(43:29):
Uh yeah, Megatron, more of those big bodies. But Jerry
Rice was such a different level, such a different level. Islo,
you got a favorite wide receiver ball time.
Speaker 7 (43:44):
I think it's Jerry Rice and it's not even close.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
He So who would be second.
Speaker 7 (43:50):
Exactly. I throw a name out there, the likes of
maybe a Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Great player. Yeah, I don't think people remember how good
Larry Fitzgerald was that year they went to the Super
Bowl and lost with the Arizona Cardinals. He's the best
player in football.
Speaker 7 (44:07):
The postseason was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah, he's second all time in receiving areage Larry Fitzgerald. Yep,
Isaac Bruce is fifth.
Speaker 8 (44:16):
Boo Okay, so I just accessed NFL Media's survey. This
is kind of ridiculous. So top five startant at five.
Steve Vargent, Lance Alworth is number four. So this gives
you a kind of an indication of the direction of
this list. Third overall is Randy Moss and second of
(44:38):
overall Don Hudson played in nineteen thirties.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Sure, Green Bay Packers, Don Hudson.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
Yeah, so that was a bad wist.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Sorry, it's a bad list.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
It's a bad list. And I'm not one of these
guys saying they're playing against plumbers, but they were playing
against plumbers. And because the other part to it is
the other part remains where it's like, yeah, with the
players they're playing against me better but they would, but
(45:09):
so would the actual guys, like they'd have modern way
training too. It's not like just the defense gets modern
weight training. And I know he's been hurt a lot.
And again I'm not this is gonna sound crazy, but
maybe it's. Maybe it is. I got to see how
(45:31):
many years he's been in the league. He's thirty one
years old. He has been hurt a good deal recently.
Where is Cooper Cup in terms of I guess he
only had, really, yeah, he had because injury has shortened
his seasons. Right, ninety four catches, ninety two catches, one
hundred and forty five in their Super Bowl year. Part
(45:53):
of it is, I'm just that was the greatest performance
I've seen from a wide receiver in a Super Bowl.
Every won the game on a game sliving winning drive
when they really only had one guy to throw two
and it was Cooper Cup and he was double covered
the entire time. But I just the numbers aren't with
all the injuries.
Speaker 8 (46:11):
There's just no way I think people nowadays would make
the case for Mike Evans if it's a current player.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Mike Evans is really good, really productive, won a Super Bowl.
He held a player it's not a bad one, but
nowhere near Jerry Rice, right. That's that's kind of the
point of the entire exercise.
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