October 16, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug reacts to comments made by Jets' owner Woody Johnson as he has seen his team make big mid-season changes over the last couple of weeks. Doug weighs in on the latest situation involving Cowboys' owner Jerry Jones. Doug welcomes Hall-Of-Famer Jerry Rice onto the show to get his thoughts on the current 49ers team. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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you good?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Me too? Uh. We have a big game in Major
League Baseball right, Game three of the Mets taking on
the Dodgers. Series is tied at one a piece. That
game is at eight o eight on the East coast, right,
so late start time for the East. But a series
tied at one obviously a tremendous amount of pressure in
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these two games for the Dodgers to take back home
field advantage. We got a little little bit of football.
I was bored last night and I'm watching them, like,
why is there our college game on a Tuesday night?
That was weird some action on a Tuesday night. But
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we're getting you ready for what I think is going
to be as good a football weekend as you're going
to find all year long if you look at if
you look at the schedules. A lot to get to.
But I wanted to start with the biggest football story
of the past week and a half has been the Jets.
And this was Woody Johnson, the owner of the Jets,
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having exchanged with the Porters.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
You want to bring a lot of change this week?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Do you just have to go with your instinct and
what's the best best thing to build a team and
build a winning team and build a most importantly, build
a culture.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Are you still optimistic that this season is salvageable.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
We're gonna chick Are you're gonna have the words after that?
We're gonna we're gonna do really well.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Um okay, okay, that's so, we're gonna do really well. Yeah.
I just what leads him to believe that. There's just
been so much change, so much turmol, so much tumult,
like what what is it? I obviously they you'd think
they win the other night if they can simply make
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a makeable Fueld goal. But the Jets go to Pittsburgh
this upcoming weekend, right then they go to New England.
That feels like a game. Maybe they can be competitive,
maybe they can win, although it's not like the Patriot's
gonna lay down for him. Texans at home, Texans are good.
Go to Arizona, take on the Cardinals. Colts at home, Okay,
maybe bye week, Seahawks at home, maybe at Dolphins. We
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don't know if two will be back by then at Jaguars,
Rams at home, at Bill's Dolphins. It's not crazy to
conceive that they can make the playoffs. This, by the way,
is what so many wish the Cowboys would do in
terms of all in, which is really go all in.
But end of the day, they've tied their horse to
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Aaron Rodgers. And what if Aaron Rodgers just isn't that
good anymore? Right, isn't that good anymore? I don't know
what if that's That's not the way I would go
about it. I heard Colin say earlier today that consistency
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is what's needed and I would agree. I would agree
it's level headed approach. Now you have to have the
right people and you have to trust them. But this
is not consistency and I like, Look, I like the
DeVante Adams trade. You still run in the same problem
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where Aaron Rodgers doesn't appear to be the same guy
as he used to be. Now, is he good enough? Yeah,
he should still be good enough in that division. I'm
not a huge to a guy. Although TA has great weapons,
but to it doesn't have the defense the Jets have.
But the Woody Johnson thing, and I have no bone
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to pick with him, But enough people in the NFL,
and you've had enough of these stories and you've had
so much change constantly constantly with his team stands the
reason that people will roll their eyes at things stands
the reason I completely understand completely. So I sit here
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and try I wonder to myself, why do the Jets
think that constantly changing things is going to make things better?
And even if it makes it modestly better, and maybe
they do sneak into the playoffs, the fact is that
Aaron Rodgers likely to be gone at the end of
this year, and you're gonna start all over anyway. You know,
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there's an expression in professional sports that goes like this
owner's own. Now, owner's own is not a not a
positive expression. It's just an expression of when all these
other people are doing their jobs and trying to figure
out how to get better and the owner comes in
and says, that's great, but I'm doing it this way
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because I want to do it this way. That's going
to the owner's own. It's his money. What are you
gonna do? And I'm sure Jay stew has been a
part of that, whether it's with this show, if we've
done something where he's like, ah, really, you know, I
technically would be the owner of the content. Sometimes you
have to go along with people in charge. But Woody
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Johnson has had a history of this, and he's only
helping or enhancing that negative reputation based upon the way
in which he's done it. And then the other part
to it. I've said this since it happened, like even
Aaron Rodgers and the Redline come out about Mike Williams,
which wasn't needed. All you had to do with Mike Williams, Hey,
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what happened on that? The second interceptions, it's just a
miscommunication between me and Mike. We got to get on
the same page. That's on me. Everybody in the locker
room and who watches film and the coaching staff can
know that Mike Williams didn't run a red line route.
But Aaron Rodgers need to make sure and point out
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that Mike Williams ran the wrong route. Maybe he thinks
that motivated the Jets to go and get DeVante Adams,
but he easily could have gotten out the podium and
then pulled Joe Douglas aside and said, dude, that guy,
he's running the wrong route. That ends up costing us
the game. And then Aaron Rodgers, who's his defense, would be, Hey,
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I just I don't want to lie to people. I'm
just telling the truth. Okay, Then why do you lie
to us about Woody Johnson not talking to you about
or telling you he was going to make a coaching change,
Because no one believes you, No one nor should they.
So they still have a lot of talent on defense,
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still have Aaron Rodgers. Now they have two talented wide receivers,
pretty good running back line's okay, Division bills are better
with the Marii Cooper, but not great. Hey, Dolphins, are
eventually they'll get two O. They're okay, they're not great,
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and you know, you look at the rest of that
you look at the rest of their schedule, and you say,
you know what, it's not crazy to think, not crazy
to think that this is a team that could ultimately
make the playoffs. But man, there's so much dysfunction and
so much finger pointing in Aaron Rodgers. There's so many
people under the bus. And now you got an interim
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head coach, whereas Aaron seems to be making at least
a portion of the decisions. Doesn't feel like it works.
Doesn't feel like it works.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
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Speaker 1 (08:45):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. And that's a fact.
Do you guys remember what we played for you? I
stay with Jerry Jones going off on my boy RJ
Sean Rjay in Dallas. Jerry Jones told The Athletic yesterday,
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I don't know that I would go as far as
calling the volume connotation is yelling, okay, but the facts
are that if I'm going to be grilled by the tribunal.
I don't need it to be by the guys I'm paying.
I can take it from fans. I can take it
from people. I take a lot of pride and how
fair and how much I work. I tried to do
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with the media. We're brothers and sisters. But I was
a little frustrated there today. We got in there as
of accounting for decisions made in the offseason. Okay, they
might as well have gone back to decisions made in
twenty ten. My point is that that's from my perspective.
There's no question. I'm sure they would have liked to
have grilled me. Like the fans are thinking, but what
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are you going to do about that? I get it,
I get all of that, and really we'll go along
with it. That is the weirdest answer. He acts like
he's paying Sean Narjay because they're the flag their station
is a flag shipoulder which I do under. You're not
paying him, but hey, we're partners. You know you can't
rake me over the colls. And the other hand, he's like,
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but I'll do it because that's what the fans want.
Jay stud What do you hear when you when you
hear these comments, read these comments.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
I do think that when he says something like I
appreciate my relationship with the media. When he when he
says that, I think that's a completely self serving thing.
He's the only owner that does weekly radio hits. Now
I guess he's the only owner that that is in
charge of player personnel as well. But I think Jerry
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Jones likes the attention he's he so it's not like
he's doing anyone a favor by doing media. He he
by design does it because he likes to be the
face of the franchise. And I thought what he did
to those radio hosts yesterday was out of line. I
thought that his follow up with the Athletic, if he
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was trying to show any kind of regret or further
explain his position, he only added insult to injury by
basically calling these guys fans that don't know what they're
talking about when he says, I will take those kinds
of questions from fans. The radio hosts in that dynamic
are an extension of the fan base. It's their job
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to ask the questions that fans want to hear answers to,
so he essentially is talking to the fans. I know
Jerry understands that dynamic. I don't know why he keeps
picking this fight, but there's no apologies coming. We have
what's his face?
Speaker 5 (11:43):
RJ.
Speaker 8 (11:43):
He was on with Dan Patrick today.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
We've had almost three hundred of them with him.
Speaker 9 (11:48):
It's been fourteen years that we've done that interview with
Jerry basically the same time on Tuesdays, and we've never
had anything like that.
Speaker 10 (11:57):
Andy, follow up from Jerry Jones after the interview you
given the fallout from it?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
No, not to us, and we haven't heard anything.
Speaker 9 (12:06):
And I'm sure that it would have been relayed to
us had there been. But no, we actually talked yesterday,
you know, we were wondering if he would call in today.
He has an appearance Tuesday and the station and then
Friday on the station, so he had We haven't heard
from him.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
That may change the week goes on, but as of now, No.
Speaker 10 (12:29):
Did you take the thread seriously that you guys are
interchangeable parts there on the flagship station?
Speaker 5 (12:36):
No?
Speaker 9 (12:37):
No, I mean everybody's interchangeable, I suppose, but he seems serious.
Rjy it did seem serious, But you know, we were
sitting there wondering was he talking about like removing us
physically or just he's going to just do his interview
on another show on our station at a different time
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of day, which I mean if he wants to do,
I mean, that's I suppose that that's his prerogative. But
now our company, our boss has been behind us. They've
not said a word about that.
Speaker 10 (13:07):
But your job is to I mean, I don't know
if he expects team friendly questions. I don't know if
you've ever felt the need to do that to him.
It certainly didn't sound like when you said, hey, that's
not my job. Your job is to ask questions that
fans want answers to.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Stutt Leap show here on Fox Sports Radio. Again, I
completely agree with Dan on this thing. And you know,
let's ring Isaac Low and cronnin Ilo who now he's
going to do our updates today? Ilo also does that
you do the post game for the Chargers, correct?
Speaker 11 (13:43):
Correct? Now, very non controversial organization, right.
Speaker 8 (13:47):
Go jawg us go.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Now that's different than Sean RJ. Because they're not on
the call. They're on the pre and the post and whatever.
But is there any anything that comes down is there
anything that comes down the pipe that says, hey, you're
not allowed, especially with the last couple years, because there
was some debacles, charged Raider debacle last year.
Speaker 8 (14:14):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Anybody say you can't talk about anything.
Speaker 11 (14:18):
Never zero, and you're right on. It was the fifty
six to twenty one last year, it was the Jacksonville
playoff collapse. The year before the year before that, it
was losing to the Raiders in overtime to miss the playoffs.
I heard zero either before or after, which I did appreciate.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
But you do, like, listen, you do get I worked
at ESPN. I never forget where I mean. Okay, let's
let's let's get into this is good. Okay. So I
was at ESPN and and I was doing halftime of
the ACC semi finals. And at halftime, and I was
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sitting with Scott Reese who now does Stanford stuff, Tom Brennan,
the legendary former head coach of Vermont, and myself, and
Chris Collins, is now Northwestern's head coach, was the associate
head coach. At halftime. If you remember, my Shyzhevsky didn't
do the halftime interview, So I just said, like, why
can't we hear from Coach K, like live on the broadcast.
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They're like, well, because Chris Collins does the I was
like yeah, but at halftime in front of his team.
No disrespect to Chris Collins. He's a friend of mine, Like,
we're we grew up, are in the same area, we're
same era, we're both coaches sons. Like I love Chris,
but nobody's listening to what Chris says in the locker room.
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They listen to what Coach K says in the locker room.
So he's USA's men's basketball coach, he's the ledger. It's like,
what do you think the first half? Coach? What do
you think is second half? Coach? Thanks so much? Coach
Like he can't do that, And they were like, WHOA.
I didn't think I said anything controversial. We go to
break and there was a red phone behind us in
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what's called Studio C at ESPN, and it rang with
my boss. He's like, what are you doing? Except he
might have added a four letter word there, and I
was like, uh, I don't doing halftime raps. He's like,
we have a great relationship with Coach K and Duke.
Are you trying to ruin it? I was like, why
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would I ruin the relationship? What was the win and
what you said? So again, to me, it was I
didn't know. To them, it felt like a personal attack. Now,
Roy Williams, you know, he came and attacked me personally
and try to make fun of me after I said that,
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a lot of people in basketball and this was a
year in which they were face to win a national championship.
They actually lost that year to Villanova in the national
championship game. Think that if he gets to a final four,
if he wins the national championship, he might retire and
he'd hand the rains to Hubert Davis. Now he did
not retire. He did end up handing the rains to
Hubert Davis, and it was widely discussed. So this is
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kind of what they do. And I'm sure And I
was told at CBS that he had or somebody closed
to him had called CBS when they were negotiating the
Champions Classic deal and said, like, underno circumstances that they
want me working it, like because I said he might retire,
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Okay a bit much, So it does happen. Jerry sounds
worse because he's admitting what fans want and as you said, Jason,
and that's all we are is radio hosts. Anyway, we're
you know, educated fans, some more so than others. And
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I would tell you that with Seawan and Rjay, I
could question what Seawn RJ know outside of the world
of Dallas sports, but in Dallas sports pretty good, really
good in fact. So I just this is one of
those well did you expect to not be questioned and
because of the rights holder, they can't question you. I
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do think it's ridiculous, but I've also thought it's ridiculous
when others have threatened the same. Long as we're fair,
I don't really see a problem with with the Q
and A or even with the commentary Stut Gottlieb show
here on Fox Sports Radio. And we can have arguments
about a lot of things in the NFL. What we
can't argue about is our next guest is the greatest
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wide receiver of all time, and it's not really up
for discussion. He's the great Jerry Rice and he joins
us on behalf of FedEx Air and Ground Awards, and
of course he's a Pro Football Hall of Famer. NFL
fans can vote weekly for the FedEx Aaron Ground NFL
Players of the Week Awards on x via the NFL,
published polls at NFL, on nfl dot com, and on
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the NFL mobile app all season long. Jerry, how are you?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I'm doing fantastic. How you doing?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I'm good?
Speaker 10 (19:20):
Man.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Now I understand there's some exciting changes with FedEx Aaron
Ground NFL Players of the Week awards. What are those changes?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Receivers and tiding it. We're back in the mix. We're
bag So I'm excited about that. And this is the
one wide receiver award I missed out on, you know,
back doing my day. But you know you can go
to NFL dot com slash FedEx to vote and man, man,
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this is really amazing because week three, Juwan Jennings of
the San Francisco forty nine ers he won it, and
voting is Monday through Wednesday. And uh, you know, I'm
just happy to team up with FedEx and uh and
you know, with wide receivers, I think tight ends. We
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like to think of ourselves as been an extension of
the quarterback. And uh and you know making the catch
or you know, making that that that catch for a
flint go ninety five yards or something like that. Montana,
you will always say, hey, look you added like five
to ten more years onto my you know, you know,
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my life, yes, my life in general because I didn't
have to hold onto the ball that long, and so
happy to be part of FedEx obviously. You know.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Then you had a second great career with with the Raiders, right,
So you had Montana, he had Young and then he
had Ganning with the Raiders. I want to ask you
about a little later in your career. Now you look
at Davante Adams leaving the Raiders going to the Jets,
but back to a guy who he's worked with so well,
how long do you think it takes to adjust to Okay,
we haven't played together in a couple of years. Your
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arm might not be as strong, my legs might be
not be as fast, but we still have that connection.
How long does it take to get back on the
same page.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I don't think it's going to take long at all.
Because these guys they had, they were so productive in
Green Bay and the chemistry was there. So I'm expecting
Devonte Adams to go right into New York and and
and be a factor and and I'm sure that's the
reason why they decided to bring him on board because
you know, he could be that missing piece, you know,
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with the experience and and all of that. The way
he can run routes, the way he can get downfield,
the way he can make catches, and just the chemistry
of him and Aaron Rodgers. But then there was another
big one too where a Mari Cooper went to the
Bills and and you know, to see that playout. But
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when you got to experience wide receivers like that, I
don't think that transition is going to be that difficult.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
No, I don't think so. As well. Amari is interesting though,
right because he hasn't played with with Josh Allen obviously started.
You know, he's we've seen him all over a couple
different spots, you know, Raiders to Cowboys to Browns, now
to Bills. That one's different because again, haven't played together before.
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New system, right, So what's that what's that assimilation like
when you're both talented, but it's a very new system,
new verbiage, maybe new routes.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Well, yeah, the only thing is they gonna make it,
you know, the offense as they're not going to give
him the entire game plan. They're gonna have certain plays
for the Mari Cooble where he can come in and
feel relaxed and feel like he could go on the
football field and actually be productive. So he doesn't get
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the entire playbook. And I think his experience, because you know,
he's an experience wide receiver, been around for a while
and h and he's looking forward to this opportunity because now,
actually this is uh an opportunity where he might go
to the playoffs or maybe even have a chance that
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winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's s Doug gotlib show here on Fox Sports Trader
and the one and only Jerry Rice kind of to
spend some time with this year as we get you
ready or actually we got to get you voting for
the FedEx Aaron Ground Players of the Week. By the way,
aren't these awards also going to support HBCUs.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Oh yes, and HBCUs you know, and I went to
mister the State University and FedEx you know they donate
in two thousand for the Player of the Week winner.
They also give one hundred thousand towards scholarships for students
every year and man, you know, HBCU. I still have
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to pinch myself because I remember Archie the gohn Sling
or Cooley Willie de Sale like Todd, I remember the
game all at a guesst All con State University in Jackson, Mississippi,
where we had close to seventy thousand fans. Might it
might have been close to one hundred thousand, and just
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playing in the swag and being a part of that
and getting drafted by the greatest franchise ever, the San
Francisco forty nine Ers.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Jerry, I'm really interested as you watch kind of the
evolution and now you mentioned how important wide receivers are.
That's why they're now back with tight ends for the
air and ground player of the week, and the salaries
are growing at an exponential level, whereas the running backs
are not shrinking, but they're staying relatively the same. Who
are the guys that you like? Like? Watching at your level,
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you see the position at such a much higher IQ
level than any of us can conceive. Who are some
of the guys you like? I like him. That's a
guy who I have a ton of respect for.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Well, I think the highest paid guy right now is
Justin Jefferson. I think he's around thirty five maybe thirty
six million, So you know, just watch him on the
football field is incredible. Where he can catch it underneath,
where he can stretch the field, where his route running
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is just like amazing. You know. Then you know you
come over to my side like a Deebo Samuel Brandon,
I you you know, like a George Kittle, you know,
these type of guys. But you know Duvante Adams what
he does on the football field. So I feel sit
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back and I watch these guys just make plays and
how they just enjoy playing football.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Jerry. The the Niners had a tough little start to
the season, a lot of injuries. Obviously, Christian's been hurt.
Others have been hurt as well. This has been a
team that's gotten close, right, They've gotten the Super Bowls,
have gotten close. This current mix if healthy, what's your
confidence level they can win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well it starts this weekend because we have the Chiefs
coming in town. So we we got to get over
that hurdle. We we got to beat the Chiefs and
and you know, because it's the same scenario because when
Dallas kept coming to San Francisco and they kept beating
us and stuff that you know, they would just take
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your heart. So until we can beat them, then we
you know, once we beat them, that's when we can
start like, hey, look, still taking one game at a
time and trying to get to the playoffs and you know,
get to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Meanwhile, meanwhile you have Mahomes who has you know, no
disrespect there, guys, but nobody of the debo or the
IUKE level. And yet here they just they just keep
finding ways to win games.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
They find a way, they find a way to win
no matter what. And I think I have to do
a lot with Andy Reid and that quarterback, you know, Patrick.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Mahome, he's a he's a pretty good one. Jerry, thanks
so much to you and for FedEx, for lyon you
to be on with us. We really really appreciate you
what you're doing, especially for those HBC us. Thanks for
our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
All right, we need those fans to vote. Now let's go.
All right, have a good one you too.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
That's the great Jerry Rice joining us in the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. You know the thing
about Jerry is, I was having this discussion with a
friend of mine who was like, you know, he's the
second greatest football player of all time? And I was like,
who's the first. He's a Giants fans, he said, Lawrence Taylor.
But the one thing we can't all agree he's the
greatest wide receiver ever. Like, that's not even you can
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do your your you to a debate at quarterback. You know,
Brady's the most successful? Was he actually the best quarterback? Well, okay,
it's a it's a different kind of conversation. Jerry Writ's
best wide receiver of all time? Is there anyone else
who you would put anywhere near that class? Answers?
Speaker 7 (28:19):
Now, isn't the isn't t O in that conversation? But
t O isn't even in the Hall of Fame? Like
is he really?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Remember a few years ago he was like, I'm not going.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
To the ceremony.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
He wouldn't go to the ceremony.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
Oh that's right, Yeah, Boycotter Dickerson was with him too. Yeah, interesting,
I think is up there right?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
He's not? He's yeah, whatever you want to wherever you
want to put him. But no one would say Tarollins
is the best wide receiver.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
Who's who's after Jerry?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well, that's where it gets, That's where it gets interesting, right,
he can be a million different people. I mean, Randy
Moss is probably the greatest deep threat ever. Tarolls was
unbelievable football players just he did it all. I'm listen.
I don't know if he's in the Hall of Fame
at Steve Smith was remarkable for a long time. Uh yeah, Megatron,
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more of those big bodies. But Jerry Rice was such
a different level, such a different level. Islo, you got
a favorite wide receiver ball time.
Speaker 11 (29:27):
I think it's Jerry Rice and it's not even close.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
He So who would be second?
Speaker 11 (29:33):
Exactly? I throw a name out there, the likes of
maybe a Larry.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Fitzgerald, Larry great player. Yeah, I don't think people remember
how good Larry Fitzgerald was that year they went to
the Super Bowl and lost with the Arizona Cardinals. He's
the best player in football.
Speaker 11 (29:50):
The postseason was unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Yeah, he's second all time in receiving your age, Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Ye, Isaac Bruce is fifth.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Whooh, okay, So I just accessed NFL Media's survey. This
is kind of ridiculous. So top five starting a five.
Steve Largent, Lance Alworth is number four, So this gives
you a kind of an indication of the direction of
this list. Third overall is Randy Moss and second of
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overall Don Hudson, played in nineteen.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Thirties, Sure Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Don Hudson. Yeah, so that was a bad wist.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Sorry, it's a bad list. It's a bad list. And
I'm not one of these guys saying they're playing against plumbers.
But they were playing against plumbers. And because the other
part to it is the other part remains where it's like, yeah,
with the players, they're playing against me better, but they
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would but so would the actual guys, Like they'd have
modern way training too. It's not like just the defense
gets modern weight training. And I know he's been hurt
a lot. And again I'm not this is gonna sound crazy,
but maybe it's maybe it is. I got to see
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how many years he's been in the league. He's thirty
one years old. He has been hurt a good deal recently.
Where is Cooper Cup in terms of I guess he
only had really, yeah, he had because injury has shortened
his seasons. Right, ninety four catches, ninety two catches, one
hundred and forty five in their Super Bowl year Part
(31:36):
of it is. I'm just that was the greatest performance
I've seen from a wide receiver in a Super Bowl ever.
They won the game on a game'sliving winning drive when
they really only had one guy to throw too, and
it was Cooper Cup and he was double covered the
entire time. But I just the numbers aren't with all
the injuries, There's just no way.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
I think people nowadays would make the case for Mike
Evans if it's a current player, just.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Really good, really productive, won a Super Bowl. He held
a player. It's not a bad one, but nowhere near
Jerry Rice, right. That's that's kind of the point of
the entire exercise.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
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Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Something that I thought
was an easy fix to an NCAA rule apparently has
been fixed exactly the way I said it should be fixed.
I'm not saying the nca people listen to me, but
I'm not saying they don't. That up coming next hour, first, though,
let's get to a game.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Hey, Dan Byer. I mean, sorry, hey, Isaac low and cromwhen.
Speaker 11 (32:54):
You got all right, Doug, Let's see today we're going
to go.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
With how about this for better or worse? All right?
Speaker 11 (33:02):
For better or worse? Real simple? The topic doujoure in
the Steel City.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
This has to be the topic of the day.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Justin Fields or Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I have to answer ones. I actually think I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Justin Fields thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
And I don't think Justin Fields is a very good quarterback.
But I also think that what they need and the
fact that he can just run, I think that works.
That works.
Speaker 11 (33:34):
I mean, I just don't know how it's even a thing,
but apparently the only one person does, and that is
Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
All Right, for better or worse?
Speaker 11 (33:44):
The DeVante Adams trade for the Jets or the Amari
Cooper trade for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Uh, what's a better trade?
Speaker 5 (33:57):
So we said better or worse?
Speaker 11 (33:59):
Davante Addam trade for the Jets or the Amari Cooper
trade for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
I think the Amari Cooper trade is better. I get
to DeVante Adams. There's a familiarity that should be really good.
But they're also picking up his entire salary, and yeah,
I just don't know if that fixes the fact they
have no pass rushing Aaron Rodgers doesn't look the same,
whereas Josh Allen gets a talented wide receiver that they
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needed so that one I like.
Speaker 11 (34:27):
By the way, did you hear this item that somebody
realized on social media? It's maybe the weirdest coincidence of
something like full circle, but in a really weird bizarre way.
Amari Cooper was born on June seventeenth, nineteen ninety four,
the exact same day as the OJ Chase, the former
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Buffalo Bill. Isn't that unbelievable? Isn't that an unbelievable coincidence?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Born on that day, not born on that.
Speaker 11 (34:59):
Day, not that date, but the actual date, June seventeenth,
nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 8 (35:04):
That's amazing, amazing, all right.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
You know it would be more amazing if they played
Denver this week and they wore their white Bronco unis.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
That'd be funny.
Speaker 11 (35:14):
Oh my god, the Packers are wearing all white this week.
That there's still time, Jason, there's still time. Let the
affiliates know. In Denver, tip your waiters, we always do it.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
All right?
Speaker 11 (35:32):
For Better or Worse, a Yankees Mets World Series or
a Yankees Dodger World Series. Don't give me that, look, Jason,
this is for Doug.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yankees Dodgers World Series is better. You know, we've had
Yankees versus Mets before. Nobody wants that Yankees. That's the
second best option, but definitely a distant second.
Speaker 11 (35:58):
Okay, we're gonna go on a little bit of a
different direction here for a final item on this edition
of For Better or Worse. So you know, you win
the Masters, you get to choose the menu for the
following year's champions dinner. So Scottie Scheffler wins the Masters
in twenty twenty two, he comes up with a menu
for the next year's championship dinner, an appetizer of cheeseburger
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sliders served Scottie style, an entree of Texas Ribbi steak,
and for dessert, a warm chocolate chip skillet cookie. So
he wins the Masters, of course back in April this year,
so he gets to pick the menu for next year's
Championship dinner, and he said that he's seriously considering the
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exact same menu for next year's championship dinner, so better
or worse if you are a multiple time Masters winner,
same Masters Championship dinner menu or the second time around,
a brand new menu for the champions.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Dinner is better, same menu is worse.
Speaker 11 (37:03):
I don't think there's any I don't think there's any doubt.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I mean no doubt at all.
Speaker 11 (37:07):
I mean, you're getting your dream dinner catered for free,
anything you want. I just don't see how there's any difference.
And that is this edition of for Better or Worse worse.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlief.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Show's Doug Gottlief Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Come
up next hour, we have the Midway, and I believe
I have the conversation ender. Now. The Midway is an
open conversation where Jesse bunch of guys talking about sports,
kind of a general top topic sort of thing. So
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I believe I have the answer. And it's not the
answer that most people would give right at this moment
because of of what's it called, you know, like chronological bias.
You know, it just happened, most recent recency bias. Here's
the Midway topic. It's what's the worst contract in the
history of sports. I think I have the answer. I
(38:11):
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open conversation and we get your thoughts too. Okay, so
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in the history of professional sports? And I think I
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Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Me too? Uh. We have a big game in Major
League Baseball right, Game three of the Mets taking on
the Dodgers. Series is tied at one a piece. That
game is at eight o eight on the East coast, right,
so late start time for the East. But a series
tied at one obviously a tremendous amount of pressure in
(01:17):
these two games for the Dodgers to take back home
field advantage. We got a little little bit of football.
I was bored last night and I'm watching them, like,
why is there our college game on a Tuesday night?
That was weird some action on a Tuesday night. But
(01:38):
we're getting you ready for what I think is going
to be as good a football weekend as you're going
to find all year long if you look at if
you look at the schedules. A lot to get to.
But I wanted to start with the biggest football story
of the past week and a half has been the Jets.
And this was Woody Johnson, the owner of the Jets,
(01:59):
having exchanged with the Porters.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
You want to bring a lot of change this week?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Do you just have to go with your instinct and
what's the best best thing to build a team and
build a winning team and build a most importantly, build
a culture.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Are you still optimistic that this season is salvageable.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
We're gonna chick Are you're gonna have the words after that?
We're gonna we're gonna do really well.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Um okay, okay, that's so, we're gonna do really well. Yeah.
I just what leads him to believe that. There's just
been so much change, so much turmol, so much tumult,
like what what is it? I obviously they you'd think
they win the other night if they can simply make
(02:43):
a makeable Fueld goal. But the Jets go to Pittsburgh
this upcoming weekend, right then they go to New England.
That feels like a game. Maybe they can be competitive,
maybe they can win, although it's not like the Patriot's
gonna lay down for him. Texans at home, Texans are good.
Go to Arizona, take on the Cardinals. Colts at home, Okay,
maybe bye week, Seahawks at home, maybe at Dolphins. We
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don't know if two will be back by then at Jaguars,
Rams at home, at Bill's Dolphins. It's not crazy to
conceive that they can make the playoffs. This, by the way,
is what so many wish the Cowboys would do in
terms of all in, which is really go all in.
But end of the day, they've tied their horse to
(03:29):
Aaron Rodgers. And what if Aaron Rodgers just isn't that
good anymore? Right, isn't that good anymore? I don't know
what if that's That's not the way I would go
about it. I heard Colin say earlier today that consistency
(03:51):
is what's needed and I would agree. I would agree
it's level headed approach. Now you have to have the
right people and you have to trust them. But this
is not consistency and I like, Look, I like the
DeVante Adams trade. You still run in the same problem
(04:12):
where Aaron Rodgers doesn't appear to be the same guy
as he used to be. Now, is he good enough? Yeah,
he should still be good enough in that division. I'm
not a huge to a guy. Although TA has great weapons,
but to it doesn't have the defense the Jets have.
But the Woody Johnson thing, and I have no bone
(04:36):
to pick with him, But enough people in the NFL,
and you've had enough of these stories and you've had
so much change constantly constantly with his team stands the
reason that people will roll their eyes at things stands
the reason I completely understand completely. So I sit here
(04:59):
and try I wonder to myself, why do the Jets
think that constantly changing things is going to make things better?
And even if it makes it modestly better, and maybe
they do sneak into the playoffs, the fact is that
Aaron Rodgers likely to be gone at the end of
this year, and you're gonna start all over anyway. You know,
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there's an expression in professional sports that goes like this
owner's own. Now, owner's own is not a not a
positive expression. It's just an expression of when all these
other people are doing their jobs and trying to figure
out how to get better and the owner comes in
and says, that's great, but I'm doing it this way
(05:43):
because I want to do it this way. That's going
to the owner's own. It's his money. What are you
gonna do? And I'm sure Jay stew has been a
part of that, whether it's with this show, if we've
done something where he's like, ah, really, you know, I
technically would be the owner of the content. Sometimes you
have to go along with people in charge. But Woody
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Johnson has had a history of this, and he's only
helping or enhancing that negative reputation based upon the way
in which he's done it. And then the other part
to it. I've said this since it happened, like even
Aaron Rodgers and the Redline come out about Mike Williams,
which wasn't needed. All you had to do with Mike Williams, Hey,
(06:31):
what happened on that? The second interceptions, it's just a
miscommunication between me and Mike. We got to get on
the same page. That's on me. Everybody in the locker
room and who watches film and the coaching staff can
know that Mike Williams didn't run a red line route.
But Aaron Rodgers need to make sure and point out
(06:53):
that Mike Williams ran the wrong route. Maybe he thinks
that motivated the Jets to go and get DeVante Adams,
but he easily could have gotten out the podium and
then pulled Joe Douglas aside and said, dude, that guy,
he's running the wrong route. That ends up costing us
the game. And then Aaron Rodgers, who's his defense, would be, Hey,
(07:15):
I just I don't want to lie to people. I'm
just telling the truth. Okay, Then why do you lie
to us about Woody Johnson not talking to you about
or telling you he was going to make a coaching change,
Because no one believes you, No one nor should they.
So they still have a lot of talent on defense,
(07:37):
still have Aaron Rodgers. Now they have two talented wide receivers,
pretty good running back line's okay, Division bills are better
with the Marii Cooper, but not great. Hey, Dolphins, are
eventually they'll get two O. They're okay, they're not great,
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and you know, you look at the rest of that
you look at the rest of their schedule, and you say,
you know what, it's not crazy to think, not crazy
to think that this is a team that could ultimately
make the playoffs. But man, there's so much dysfunction and
so much finger pointing in Aaron Rodgers. There's so many
people under the bus. And now you got an interim
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head coach, whereas Aaron seems to be making at least
a portion of the decisions. Doesn't feel like it works.
Doesn't feel like it works.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
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Speaker 1 (08:45):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. And that's a fact.
Do you guys remember what we played for you? I
stay with Jerry Jones going off on my boy RJ
Sean Rjay in Dallas. Jerry Jones told The Athletic yesterday,
(09:08):
I don't know that I would go as far as
calling the volume connotation is yelling, okay, but the facts
are that if I'm going to be grilled by the tribunal.
I don't need it to be by the guys I'm paying.
I can take it from fans. I can take it
from people. I take a lot of pride and how
fair and how much I work. I tried to do
(09:28):
with the media. We're brothers and sisters. But I was
a little frustrated there today. We got in there as
of accounting for decisions made in the offseason. Okay, they
might as well have gone back to decisions made in
twenty ten. My point is that that's from my perspective.
There's no question. I'm sure they would have liked to
have grilled me. Like the fans are thinking, but what
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are you going to do about that? I get it,
I get all of that, and really we'll go along
with it. That is the weirdest answer. He acts like
he's paying Sean Narjay because they're the flag their station
is a flag shipoulder which I do under. You're not
paying him, but hey, we're partners. You know you can't
rake me over the colls. And the other hand, he's like,
(10:12):
but I'll do it because that's what the fans want.
Jay stud What do you hear when you when you
hear these comments, read these comments.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
I do think that when he says something like I
appreciate my relationship with the media. When he when he
says that, I think that's a completely self serving thing.
He's the only owner that does weekly radio hits. Now
I guess he's the only owner that that is in
charge of player personnel as well. But I think Jerry
(10:43):
Jones likes the attention he's he so it's not like
he's doing anyone a favor by doing media. He he
by design does it because he likes to be the
face of the franchise. And I thought what he did
to those radio hosts yesterday was out of line. I
thought that his follow up with the Athletic, if he
(11:04):
was trying to show any kind of regret or further
explain his position, he only added insult to injury by
basically calling these guys fans that don't know what they're
talking about when he says, I will take those kinds
of questions from fans. The radio hosts in that dynamic
are an extension of the fan base. It's their job
(11:27):
to ask the questions that fans want to hear answers to,
so he essentially is talking to the fans. I know
Jerry understands that dynamic. I don't know why he keeps
picking this fight, but there's no apologies coming. We have
what's his face?
Speaker 5 (11:43):
RJ.
Speaker 8 (11:43):
He was on with Dan Patrick today.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
We've had almost three hundred of them with him.
Speaker 9 (11:48):
It's been fourteen years that we've done that interview with
Jerry basically the same time on Tuesdays, and we've never
had anything like that.
Speaker 10 (11:57):
Andy, follow up from Jerry Jones after the interview you
given the fallout from it?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
No, not to us, and we haven't heard anything.
Speaker 9 (12:06):
And I'm sure that it would have been relayed to
us had there been. But no, we actually talked yesterday,
you know, we were wondering if he would call in today.
He has an appearance Tuesday and the station and then
Friday on the station, so he had We haven't heard
from him.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
That may change the week goes on, but as of now, No.
Speaker 10 (12:29):
Did you take the thread seriously that you guys are
interchangeable parts there on the flagship station?
Speaker 5 (12:36):
No?
Speaker 9 (12:37):
No, I mean everybody's interchangeable, I suppose, but he seems serious.
Rjy it did seem serious, But you know, we were
sitting there wondering was he talking about like removing us
physically or just he's going to just do his interview
on another show on our station at a different time
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of day, which I mean if he wants to do,
I mean, that's I suppose that that's his prerogative. But
now our company, our boss has been behind us. They've
not said a word about that.
Speaker 10 (13:07):
But your job is to I mean, I don't know
if he expects team friendly questions. I don't know if
you've ever felt the need to do that to him.
It certainly didn't sound like when you said, hey, that's
not my job. Your job is to ask questions that
fans want answers to.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Stutt Leap show here on Fox Sports Radio. Again, I
completely agree with Dan on this thing. And you know,
let's ring Isaac Low and cronnin Ilo who now he's
going to do our updates today? Ilo also does that
you do the post game for the Chargers, correct?
Speaker 11 (13:43):
Correct? Now, very non controversial organization, right.
Speaker 8 (13:47):
Go jawg us go.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Now that's different than Sean RJ. Because they're not on
the call. They're on the pre and the post and whatever.
But is there any anything that comes down is there
anything that comes down the pipe that says, hey, you're
not allowed, especially with the last couple years, because there
was some debacles, charged Raider debacle last year.
Speaker 8 (14:14):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Anybody say you can't talk about anything.
Speaker 11 (14:18):
Never zero, and you're right on. It was the fifty
six to twenty one last year, it was the Jacksonville
playoff collapse. The year before the year before that, it
was losing to the Raiders in overtime to miss the playoffs.
I heard zero either before or after, which I did appreciate.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
But you do, like, listen, you do get I worked
at ESPN. I never forget where I mean. Okay, let's
let's let's get into this is good. Okay. So I
was at ESPN and and I was doing halftime of
the ACC semi finals. And at halftime, and I was
(15:06):
sitting with Scott Reese who now does Stanford stuff, Tom Brennan,
the legendary former head coach of Vermont, and myself, and
Chris Collins, is now Northwestern's head coach, was the associate
head coach. At halftime. If you remember, my Shyzhevsky didn't
do the halftime interview, So I just said, like, why
can't we hear from Coach K, like live on the broadcast.
(15:29):
They're like, well, because Chris Collins does the I was
like yeah, but at halftime in front of his team.
No disrespect to Chris Collins. He's a friend of mine, Like,
we're we grew up, are in the same area, we're
same era, we're both coaches sons. Like I love Chris,
but nobody's listening to what Chris says in the locker room.
(15:50):
They listen to what Coach K says in the locker room.
So he's USA's men's basketball coach, he's the ledger. It's like,
what do you think the first half? Coach? What do
you think is second half? Coach? Thanks so much? Coach
Like he can't do that, And they were like, WHOA.
I didn't think I said anything controversial. We go to
break and there was a red phone behind us in
(16:15):
what's called Studio C at ESPN, and it rang with
my boss. He's like, what are you doing? Except he
might have added a four letter word there, and I
was like, uh, I don't doing halftime raps. He's like,
we have a great relationship with Coach K and Duke.
Are you trying to ruin it? I was like, why
(16:35):
would I ruin the relationship? What was the win and
what you said? So again, to me, it was I
didn't know. To them, it felt like a personal attack. Now,
Roy Williams, you know, he came and attacked me personally
and try to make fun of me after I said that,
(16:57):
a lot of people in basketball and this was a
year in which they were face to win a national championship.
They actually lost that year to Villanova in the national
championship game. Think that if he gets to a final four,
if he wins the national championship, he might retire and
he'd hand the rains to Hubert Davis. Now he did
not retire. He did end up handing the rains to
Hubert Davis, and it was widely discussed. So this is
(17:23):
kind of what they do. And I'm sure And I
was told at CBS that he had or somebody closed
to him had called CBS when they were negotiating the
Champions Classic deal and said, like, underno circumstances that they
want me working it, like because I said he might retire,
(17:45):
Okay a bit much, So it does happen. Jerry sounds
worse because he's admitting what fans want and as you said, Jason,
and that's all we are is radio hosts. Anyway, we're
you know, educated fans, some more so than others. And
(18:08):
I would tell you that with Seawan and Rjay, I
could question what Seawn RJ know outside of the world
of Dallas sports, but in Dallas sports pretty good, really
good in fact. So I just this is one of
those well did you expect to not be questioned and
because of the rights holder, they can't question you. I
(18:29):
do think it's ridiculous, but I've also thought it's ridiculous
when others have threatened the same. Long as we're fair,
I don't really see a problem with with the Q
and A or even with the commentary Stut Gottlieb show
here on Fox Sports Radio. And we can have arguments
about a lot of things in the NFL. What we
can't argue about is our next guest is the greatest
(18:50):
wide receiver of all time, and it's not really up
for discussion. He's the great Jerry Rice and he joins
us on behalf of FedEx Air and Ground Awards, and
of course he's a Pro Football Hall of Famer. NFL
fans can vote weekly for the FedEx Aaron Ground NFL
Players of the Week Awards on x via the NFL,
published polls at NFL, on nfl dot com, and on
(19:13):
the NFL mobile app all season long. Jerry, how are you?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I'm doing fantastic. How you doing?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I'm good?
Speaker 10 (19:20):
Man.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Now I understand there's some exciting changes with FedEx Aaron
Ground NFL Players of the Week awards. What are those changes?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Receivers and tiding it. We're back in the mix. We're
bag So I'm excited about that. And this is the
one wide receiver award I missed out on, you know,
back doing my day. But you know you can go
to NFL dot com slash FedEx to vote and man, man,
(19:49):
this is really amazing because week three, Juwan Jennings of
the San Francisco forty nine ers he won it, and
voting is Monday through Wednesday. And uh, you know, I'm
just happy to team up with FedEx and uh and
you know, with wide receivers, I think tight ends. We
(20:10):
like to think of ourselves as been an extension of
the quarterback. And uh and you know making the catch
or you know, making that that that catch for a
flint go ninety five yards or something like that. Montana,
you will always say, hey, look you added like five
to ten more years onto my you know, you know,
(20:32):
my life, yes, my life in general because I didn't
have to hold onto the ball that long, and so
happy to be part of FedEx obviously. You know.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Then you had a second great career with with the Raiders, right,
So you had Montana, he had Young and then he
had Ganning with the Raiders. I want to ask you
about a little later in your career. Now you look
at Davante Adams leaving the Raiders going to the Jets,
but back to a guy who he's worked with so well,
how long do you think it takes to adjust to Okay,
we haven't played together in a couple of years. Your
(21:06):
arm might not be as strong, my legs might be
not be as fast, but we still have that connection.
How long does it take to get back on the
same page.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I don't think it's going to take long at all.
Because these guys they had, they were so productive in
Green Bay and the chemistry was there. So I'm expecting
Devonte Adams to go right into New York and and
and be a factor and and I'm sure that's the
reason why they decided to bring him on board because
you know, he could be that missing piece, you know,
(21:38):
with the experience and and all of that. The way
he can run routes, the way he can get downfield,
the way he can make catches, and just the chemistry
of him and Aaron Rodgers. But then there was another
big one too where a Mari Cooper went to the
Bills and and you know, to see that playout. But
(21:59):
when you got to experience wide receivers like that, I
don't think that transition is going to be that difficult.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
No, I don't think so. As well. Amari is interesting though,
right because he hasn't played with with Josh Allen obviously started.
You know, he's we've seen him all over a couple
different spots, you know, Raiders to Cowboys to Browns, now
to Bills. That one's different because again, haven't played together before.
(22:26):
New system, right, So what's that what's that assimilation like
when you're both talented, but it's a very new system,
new verbiage, maybe new routes.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Well, yeah, the only thing is they gonna make it,
you know, the offense as they're not going to give
him the entire game plan. They're gonna have certain plays
for the Mari Cooble where he can come in and
feel relaxed and feel like he could go on the
football field and actually be productive. So he doesn't get
(22:57):
the entire playbook. And I think his experience, because you know,
he's an experience wide receiver, been around for a while
and h and he's looking forward to this opportunity because now,
actually this is uh an opportunity where he might go
to the playoffs or maybe even have a chance that
(23:19):
winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's s Doug gotlib show here on Fox Sports Trader
and the one and only Jerry Rice kind of to
spend some time with this year as we get you
ready or actually we got to get you voting for
the FedEx Aaron Ground Players of the Week. By the way,
aren't these awards also going to support HBCUs.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Oh yes, and HBCUs you know, and I went to
mister the State University and FedEx you know they donate
in two thousand for the Player of the Week winner.
They also give one hundred thousand towards scholarships for students
every year and man, you know, HBCU. I still have
(24:03):
to pinch myself because I remember Archie the gohn Sling
or Cooley Willie de Sale like Todd, I remember the
game all at a guesst All con State University in Jackson, Mississippi,
where we had close to seventy thousand fans. Might it
might have been close to one hundred thousand, and just
(24:24):
playing in the swag and being a part of that
and getting drafted by the greatest franchise ever, the San
Francisco forty nine Ers.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Jerry, I'm really interested as you watch kind of the
evolution and now you mentioned how important wide receivers are.
That's why they're now back with tight ends for the
air and ground player of the week, and the salaries
are growing at an exponential level, whereas the running backs
are not shrinking, but they're staying relatively the same. Who
are the guys that you like? Like? Watching at your level,
(24:58):
you see the position at such a much higher IQ
level than any of us can conceive. Who are some
of the guys you like? I like him. That's a
guy who I have a ton of respect for.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Well, I think the highest paid guy right now is
Justin Jefferson. I think he's around thirty five maybe thirty
six million, So you know, just watch him on the
football field is incredible. Where he can catch it underneath,
where he can stretch the field, where his route running
(25:29):
is just like amazing. You know. Then you know you
come over to my side like a Deebo Samuel Brandon,
I you you know, like a George Kittle, you know,
these type of guys. But you know Duvante Adams what
he does on the football field. So I feel sit
(25:50):
back and I watch these guys just make plays and
how they just enjoy playing football.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Jerry. The the Niners had a tough little start to
the season, a lot of injuries. Obviously, Christian's been hurt.
Others have been hurt as well. This has been a
team that's gotten close, right, They've gotten the Super Bowls,
have gotten close. This current mix if healthy, what's your
confidence level they can win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well it starts this weekend because we have the Chiefs
coming in town. So we we got to get over
that hurdle. We we got to beat the Chiefs and
and you know, because it's the same scenario because when
Dallas kept coming to San Francisco and they kept beating
us and stuff that you know, they would just take
(26:38):
your heart. So until we can beat them, then we
you know, once we beat them, that's when we can
start like, hey, look, still taking one game at a
time and trying to get to the playoffs and you know,
get to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Meanwhile, meanwhile you have Mahomes who has you know, no
disrespect there, guys, but nobody of the debo or the
IUKE level. And yet here they just they just keep
finding ways to win games.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
They find a way, they find a way to win
no matter what. And I think I have to do
a lot with Andy Reid and that quarterback, you know, Patrick.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Mahome, he's a he's a pretty good one. Jerry, thanks
so much to you and for FedEx, for lyon you
to be on with us. We really really appreciate you
what you're doing, especially for those HBC us. Thanks for
our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
All right, we need those fans to vote. Now let's go.
All right, have a good one you too.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
That's the great Jerry Rice joining us in the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. You know the thing
about Jerry is, I was having this discussion with a
friend of mine who was like, you know, he's the
second greatest football player of all time? And I was like,
who's the first. He's a Giants fans, he said, Lawrence Taylor.
But the one thing we can't all agree he's the
greatest wide receiver ever. Like, that's not even you can
(27:57):
do your your you to a debate at quarterback. You know,
Brady's the most successful? Was he actually the best quarterback? Well, okay,
it's a it's a different kind of conversation. Jerry Writ's
best wide receiver of all time? Is there anyone else
who you would put anywhere near that class? Answers?
Speaker 7 (28:19):
Now, isn't the isn't t O in that conversation? But
t O isn't even in the Hall of Fame? Like
is he really?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Remember a few years ago he was like, I'm not going.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
To the ceremony.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
He wouldn't go to the ceremony.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
Oh that's right, Yeah, Boycotter Dickerson was with him too. Yeah, interesting,
I think is up there right?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
He's not? He's yeah, whatever you want to wherever you
want to put him. But no one would say Tarollins
is the best wide receiver.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
Who's who's after Jerry?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well, that's where it gets, That's where it gets interesting, right,
he can be a million different people. I mean, Randy
Moss is probably the greatest deep threat ever. Tarolls was
unbelievable football players just he did it all. I'm listen.
I don't know if he's in the Hall of Fame
at Steve Smith was remarkable for a long time. Uh yeah, Megatron,
(29:14):
more of those big bodies. But Jerry Rice was such
a different level, such a different level. Islo, you got
a favorite wide receiver ball time.
Speaker 11 (29:27):
I think it's Jerry Rice and it's not even close.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
He So who would be second?
Speaker 11 (29:33):
Exactly? I throw a name out there, the likes of
maybe a Larry.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Fitzgerald, Larry great player. Yeah, I don't think people remember
how good Larry Fitzgerald was that year they went to
the Super Bowl and lost with the Arizona Cardinals. He's
the best player in football.
Speaker 11 (29:50):
The postseason was unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Yeah, he's second all time in receiving your age, Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Ye, Isaac Bruce is fifth.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Whooh, okay, So I just accessed NFL Media's survey. This
is kind of ridiculous. So top five starting a five.
Steve Largent, Lance Alworth is number four, So this gives
you a kind of an indication of the direction of
this list. Third overall is Randy Moss and second of
(30:21):
overall Don Hudson, played in nineteen.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Thirties, Sure Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Don Hudson. Yeah, so that was a bad wist.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Sorry, it's a bad list. It's a bad list. And
I'm not one of these guys saying they're playing against plumbers.
But they were playing against plumbers. And because the other
part to it is the other part remains where it's like, yeah,
with the players, they're playing against me better, but they
(30:51):
would but so would the actual guys, Like they'd have
modern way training too. It's not like just the defense
gets modern weight training. And I know he's been hurt
a lot. And again I'm not this is gonna sound crazy,
but maybe it's maybe it is. I got to see
(31:14):
how many years he's been in the league. He's thirty
one years old. He has been hurt a good deal recently.
Where is Cooper Cup in terms of I guess he
only had really, yeah, he had because injury has shortened
his seasons. Right, ninety four catches, ninety two catches, one
hundred and forty five in their Super Bowl year Part
(31:36):
of it is. I'm just that was the greatest performance
I've seen from a wide receiver in a Super Bowl ever.
They won the game on a game'sliving winning drive when
they really only had one guy to throw too, and
it was Cooper Cup and he was double covered the
entire time. But I just the numbers aren't with all
the injuries, There's just no way.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
I think people nowadays would make the case for Mike
Evans if it's a current player, just.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Really good, really productive, won a Super Bowl. He held
a player. It's not a bad one, but nowhere near
Jerry Rice, right. That's that's kind of the point of
the entire exercise.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Something that I thought
was an easy fix to an NCAA rule apparently has
been fixed exactly the way I said it should be fixed.
I'm not saying the nca people listen to me, but
I'm not saying they don't. That up coming next hour, first, though,
let's get to a game.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Hey, Dan Byer. I mean, sorry, hey, Isaac low and cromwhen.
Speaker 11 (32:54):
You got all right, Doug, Let's see today we're going
to go.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
With how about this for better or worse? All right?
Speaker 11 (33:02):
For better or worse? Real simple? The topic doujoure in
the Steel City.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
This has to be the topic of the day.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Justin Fields or Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I have to answer ones. I actually think I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Justin Fields thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
And I don't think Justin Fields is a very good quarterback.
But I also think that what they need and the
fact that he can just run, I think that works.
That works.
Speaker 11 (33:34):
I mean, I just don't know how it's even a thing,
but apparently the only one person does, and that is
Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
All Right, for better or worse?
Speaker 11 (33:44):
The DeVante Adams trade for the Jets or the Amari
Cooper trade for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Uh, what's a better trade?
Speaker 5 (33:57):
So we said better or worse?
Speaker 11 (33:59):
Davante Addam trade for the Jets or the Amari Cooper
trade for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
I think the Amari Cooper trade is better. I get
to DeVante Adams. There's a familiarity that should be really good.
But they're also picking up his entire salary, and yeah,
I just don't know if that fixes the fact they
have no pass rushing Aaron Rodgers doesn't look the same,
whereas Josh Allen gets a talented wide receiver that they
(34:25):
needed so that one I like.
Speaker 11 (34:27):
By the way, did you hear this item that somebody
realized on social media? It's maybe the weirdest coincidence of
something like full circle, but in a really weird bizarre way.
Amari Cooper was born on June seventeenth, nineteen ninety four,
the exact same day as the OJ Chase, the former
(34:51):
Buffalo Bill. Isn't that unbelievable? Isn't that an unbelievable coincidence?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Born on that day, not born on that.
Speaker 11 (34:59):
Day, not that date, but the actual date, June seventeenth,
nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 8 (35:04):
That's amazing, amazing, all right.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
You know it would be more amazing if they played
Denver this week and they wore their white Bronco unis.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
That'd be funny.
Speaker 11 (35:14):
Oh my god, the Packers are wearing all white this week.
That there's still time, Jason, there's still time. Let the
affiliates know. In Denver, tip your waiters, we always do it.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
All right?
Speaker 11 (35:32):
For Better or Worse, a Yankees Mets World Series or
a Yankees Dodger World Series. Don't give me that, look, Jason,
this is for Doug.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yankees Dodgers World Series is better. You know, we've had
Yankees versus Mets before. Nobody wants that Yankees. That's the
second best option, but definitely a distant second.
Speaker 11 (35:58):
Okay, we're gonna go on a little bit of a
different direction here for a final item on this edition
of For Better or Worse. So you know, you win
the Masters, you get to choose the menu for the
following year's champions dinner. So Scottie Scheffler wins the Masters
in twenty twenty two, he comes up with a menu
for the next year's championship dinner, an appetizer of cheeseburger
(36:20):
sliders served Scottie style, an entree of Texas Ribbi steak,
and for dessert, a warm chocolate chip skillet cookie. So
he wins the Masters, of course back in April this year,
so he gets to pick the menu for next year's
Championship dinner, and he said that he's seriously considering the
(36:41):
exact same menu for next year's championship dinner, so better
or worse if you are a multiple time Masters winner,
same Masters Championship dinner menu or the second time around,
a brand new menu for the champions.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Dinner is better, same menu is worse.
Speaker 11 (37:03):
I don't think there's any I don't think there's any doubt.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I mean no doubt at all.
Speaker 11 (37:07):
I mean, you're getting your dream dinner catered for free,
anything you want. I just don't see how there's any difference.
And that is this edition of for Better or Worse worse.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlief.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Show's Doug Gottlief Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Come
up next hour, we have the Midway, and I believe
I have the conversation ender. Now. The Midway is an
open conversation where Jesse bunch of guys talking about sports,
kind of a general top topic sort of thing. So
(37:48):
I believe I have the answer. And it's not the
answer that most people would give right at this moment
because of of what's it called, you know, like chronological bias.
You know, it just happened, most recent recency bias. Here's
the Midway topic. It's what's the worst contract in the
history of sports. I think I have the answer. I
(38:11):
think it actually ends the conversation, but we'll have an
open conversation and we get your thoughts too. Okay, so
write it down, tweet it to us at Gottlieb Show
or on Instagram at Gottlieb Show. What's the worst contract
in the history of professional sports? And I think I
(38:32):
have the answer that you're not going to write and
that these guys aren't going to think of. And it's
not like nineteen fifties or whatever. It's up coming next
to the Doug Gottlieb Show. You're live from the Tirade
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