October 18, 2024 • 49 mins
On a Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the exciting baseball the was played Thursday night in the ALCS and NLCS.
Doug and the crew talk about the Browns' desire to move to a stadium away from downtown, and about the attachment fans have to their teams' buildings.
Doug gives his take on the Broncos-Saints game. Doug welcomes former NFL team exec Mark Dominik for his weekly hit to discuss the Saints, Cowboys and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
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Speaker 1 (00:46):
Almost the perfect night in baseball.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I'm big on this, you know.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And I'm not as big on New York baseball as
Big Apple Sam is, nor am I a huge Dodger
fan the way that Jason Stewart is. I just know
that baseball actually talent wise and quality of play wise,
converse to I think the NFL, and Jason, you tell
(01:14):
me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Here.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
We've talked, and we we're talk in the podcast about
as well on you talk about you call it Zoropa
like the Zoropa albums Zopa Tour, where the NFL is
kind of living on reputation. The product isn't that good.
I actually think Major League Baseball's product is outstanding, but
the reputation isn't. It has a reputation of being boring
in stale and nondescript teams winning.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It is that fair?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Do you think the product is actually really good?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
The product of baseball?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I think the product the actual talent in the game.
I think there's there's never been more talent in the game. Sure,
But the antics of the players and the way they
choose to play the game, and some of the rule
changes piss me off.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
But not I think the rule changes.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
But look the rule changes that brought athleticism back to
the sport. There's more balls in play. Remember, if you
go back before the rule changes, more than sixty six percent,
more than two thirds of the time, a pitch would
only be touched by potentially only three people involved pitcher,
catcher and hitter. Right it was either strikeout, walk, or
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home run. And the rule changes have made you know,
playing small ball a little bit kind of back in
vogue and not having the shift and having the universal DH,
all of these things, it's been good. I think the
sports actually play wise and talent wise in a good place.
I know you don't like the antics. Everybody has a
celebration when they get a single. You know, it can
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be an error and they still do something, you know,
some sort of gyration to their dugout. We can talk
about that later day. The point is that baseball talent wise,
baseball skill wise, baseball execution wise in a good place.
But it needs Dodgers Yankees for mainstream people to pay
attention to it, much the way the WNBA is better
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than it has ever been. But they need Caitlin Clark
to play as much as possible for me to people
to actually pay attention to him.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And then of course you got the Yankees. Oi.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, YOI what a way to lose a game if
you're the Yankees. These are games that the Yankees traditionally
always seem to win, right, always seem to win, and
yet the improbable happens when the Yankees bullpen absolutely blows it. Right,
I suppose it between Luke Weaver and Clay Holmes, just
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one after the next did not look comfortable, and neither
did Tommy. What's the guy's name, Tommy, shoot the guy.
He walked a couple guys when he first came in.
Just too many walks. I mean, the story of last
night was the walks of the Dodgers and the walks
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by the Yankees of the Guardians. But that was one
where I'm watching the game and you know, it's four
to three and then five to three. I think, what
wasn't five to three heading into the bottom of the ninth,
And then this happened.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
In the.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Deep time Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
John Jensen no Well, John Kenson, Noel nicknames Big Christmas
two outs Bob of the ninth. And I have a
I have a coach who coaches with me. His name's
Jordan McCabe. Jordan mcabe is if you ever know the
site ball is life like. He was the first ever player.
He is Zion Williamson and Jordan McCabe were the first
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ball as life guys.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And he started when I first got here. May hate
he did baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Took him to a Brewer game. We had a couple
of beers. He's like, you know what, not bad? So
I mandated that he watched playoff baseball last night and
he was like, did you watch that Yankee game? That
was unbelievable. I thought the game was over. And the
thing about baseball is there is no time limit. It's
not over to you get that twenty seventh out, and
that was with twenty six outs. Here's David Fry with
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a runner on second, score tiede in the tenth swing.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Got hit high, hit deep to left segus.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
O god to run, home run to the play cherson
left by David Fried.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Who is that with the Who is that what they
call go ahead?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Dan Tom Hamilton on the call.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
My favorite thing about that home run on the tenth
inning off of the bat of David Fry is because
of the way Jacob's fields we'll call it is situated,
and you have that enormous scoreboard in left He's a
right handed hitter, pulls a shot to left field, and
as the ball is traveling over the fence, there's this enormance. No,
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it has this enormous graphic of David Fry. So it
is it is perfect, like because it is his moment,
it is his shot. He poses at the plate. Camera
cuts to the ball going over and about I don't know,
forty two percent of your screen when you're watching it
is this huge David Fry graphic because he was at bat.
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It was such an awesome visual aside from it being
a walk off, two run home run that was absolutely crushed,
but also to have the picture of his graphic on
the scoreboard in the background, amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Truly amazing, truly, truly, truly amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I just again, I want Dodgers Yankees World Series, but
I do love.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Seeing the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Who's especially in the bottom of the ninth who doesn't
And just the idea that that I hadn't seen a
home run that big since David Freeze in the World
Series in Game six, last strike, bottom of the ninth,
and then of course once again in extra innings it
was David Freeze and that was when Joe Buck had
the tip of the cap to his dad, we'll see
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you tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
That was exciting, Like I get excited even listening to Tom
Hamilton with the call. That is in fact baseball, Like
we joke about baseball being so you know, the weird
thing you can't explain, but that is baseball where it's like,
all right, this thing's over Yankees would be about up
three games to none, and then of course the Dodgers
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are up three games to one, like these series are
winding down and then all of a sudden, one swing
of the bat and we got extras. One more swing
of the bat and we got ourselves a series.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
And Luke Weaver has been so good, i think the
last part of the season and especially in this post season,
he's been just dominant, and you get the feeling and
you know it's an uphill climb for the Guardians because
they have half the talent thing Inkos do, but you
get the feeling that that was like a blow, That
was a gut punch. We were giving up that tie
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in run with two outs in the night, and we've
seen this happen in baseball. There's precedent for this. You
go back to one moment in time and that could
have been the series. If the Guardians end up coming back,
I'm going to go back to that big Christmas moment
against Weaver, who had been untouchable for most of the postseason.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
YEP, it is.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It is a big one. And we'll talk about this
later on the show, probably talk about some in the pod,
which is like just like when you blow a save
like that, it's really hard. And those guys are wired differently, right,
they've been they tried out there so much that they
blow on All right, I gotta come back. But there
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is you know, there is that hangover effect, and I
think I think show hate leading off the NLC. Yes,
with the home run, I thought there was a hangover
for the rest of the game. Dodgers have a lead,
Dodgers play with confidence, Dodgers up one to nothing. It
felt like, you know, they're playing with house money to
start the game. But yeah, how Luke Weaver responds, how
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that Yankee bullpen responds, Because you're not winning anything baseball
now without the bullpen, you gotta be big. But what
a what a great night for baseball. By the way,
here's Mookie Betts. Did he talk about Jason Stewart calling
him on Twitter? No, he talked about the performance without
Freddy Freeman.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
No, this is the second game we won without Freddy,
so maybe Freddie need to.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Not play anything.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
There's a little fake media laugh right there.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Right, that was a little a little over the top.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
You know, here's Max Muncy saying, you know the cliche,
they're not done.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Yet for us, tomorrow it's a it's a zero zero series.
We got to go out there and take care of business.
You know, we're not thinking about, you know, one more game.
We're thinking about tomorrow's zero zero series. We got to
go out there prepare the right way. You know, game
playing the right way can get our approach going, and
you know, just take care of business and play Dodger baseball.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I totally understand, Okay, I understand that for the Dodgers,
you want to like, this just sets up so well
to them, the fact that you're playing three nights in
a row. When you get it again, remember you get ahead,
and I know in baseball it's hard to have momentum
carry over. But when you win, you know, two out
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of the first three and don't allow a run, then
you win the next one and you know, you score
ten runs you only allow too, and Show Hayes hitting
and Mookie Bets is hitting, and you're like, oh, holy hell,
now what and then you get no time to collect
your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
It does feel like it's over. It does.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I'm not like calling it when you know, the Mets,
it's not like the Dodgers have the world's greatest starting pitching.
But man, this series if it if it closes up
shop tonight that thing. If you're the Mets, you had
to feel like after Game two this, wait, what happened?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
What what happened? I'll relate it to this. I'm coaching
my first college game tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Do you guys know that? Right? We have a scrimmage,
secret scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
And one thing I do know from having broadcast games
and coached high school uh I coached actually one high
school game and a bunch of au and overseas, is
the games they can turn on a dime.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Like you get you get a.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Bad lineup, and all of a sudden, you get in
a bad run and you never recover. And I feel
like the Mets. I feel like the Mets. You know,
once Mookie got it going show a hits home run.
When you're talking three days in a row, three l's
potentially three l's in row, and now we're out of there,
like wait, we were just we won game two. We
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came bouncing back to New York where it's feld. You know,
this is what we do at lefg's. Let's go Mets,
and it it feels like it's.
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a little bit about it yesterday. The city of Cleveland
and in months of speculation about where the Cleveland Browns
will play in the future, announcing the franchise has made
a decision to leave downtown, the team's home since nineteen
forty six. Course, there was two different franchises, right, there
was the Cleveland Browns that left and then the new
Cleveland Browns. But again both played and they played at
the old it was a Memorial Stadium, right that was
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that was the old where the Indians us to municipal
Municipal Stadium, right, which is a dump, but that's where
both the drive took place and the fumble took place.
Right in Cleveland. The Indians used to play there as well,
and then they built a new place and now because
they can't get a new stadium, they've said, hey, we're
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leaving Brown's ownership. In form Mayor Justin Bibb of the
decision last night. Now, I will caution us, Okay, I
will caution us. Those of us who have paid attention
to sports long enough know that there was like a
six month window where the Patriots were going to be
the Connecticut Patriots. Yeah, when they won that first Super
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Bowl and Tom Brady remember they had the they were
building the new Gillette Stadium, but that stadium wasn't going.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
To be built.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
They reached an impasse and the Patriots like, all right,
and where Renschler Field is in East Hartford was supposed
to be the stadium for the Patriots. They agreed to
the deal, announced the deal, did the ribbon cutting, did everything,
and then they end up getting a better deal to
remain in Foxborough. We've seen this with the Bears, right
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where are the Bears going to build air new stadium?
Is it Arlington? Are they just going to redo Soldier Field?
What's going to happen there? A lot of it is
is jostling, is jockeying, But it's a weird play considering
how many of these things have maybe financially they haven't failed.
And maybe this new NFL wave, maybe this is challenging
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to the But I mean, heck, the Pistons moved, you know,
Pistons a bit moved out of downtown for Auburn Hills
that didn't work. It's not like Joe, not like the
new arena's working all that well? Is that what Papa
John's that was called? But these teams that move out
of downtown and you look at them. The Colts are
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in downtown, Baltimore's in downtown. New York tried to build
one on the West Side, which was mixed. Although I
still think that the Jets absolutely should have moved there.
It would have given them a site for final fours
for everything in Dome Stadium, but it got killed. That
was the West Side Highway project. They're not in the burbs.
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They're in Jersey, which nobody likes. I'm trying to think, guys,
is there any suburban stadium that is a win?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Does a win?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Seattle's in downtown, the Seahawks, the Rams and Chargers don't.
It's not downtown, but it's in the middle of everything
in Inglewood. It's not There was a time when the Raiders.
You guys remember the Raiders were going to play in
City of Industry.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
City of Industry, for people that don't know, is like
literally a city where, like all you do now, there's
all these RVs where homeless people live.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
But outside of that, it's all the.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
What are those called, where they're like like warehouses, just
basically storage warehouse everywhere. It's like the whole it's this
complete non descript area on the east side of Los Angeles.
It's about ten degrees warmer than it is in LA
It's anyway, it never came to be. And that that
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was the reason the Raiders left to go to Oakland
was they were supposed to have the Coliseum where USC
now owns. In plays, they're supposed to have that redone.
It was never redone to the level of an NFL stadium.
They tried to stay and play in City of Industry.
That didn't work. They left to Oakland, and now they're
in Vegas, which, by the way, is a stadium which
is right on the strip, right off the strip. This
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is just a weird play where it hasn't worked. I
don't think can you if we think about it, right,
San Francisco is in Santa Clara. I've never heard anyone
say that's a great stadium or that's a great location.
But they're no longer in San Francisco proper. They're not
even close. What do you guys think, I'm intrigued.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. I'm just surprised about. And
it isn't even the Cleveland location is unique because of
where it's situated.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's on the lake front.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
I've been there a couple of times, went to a
November game there once it's cold, it's chilly. But Chicago's
on the lakefront as well. In Chicago, different lake. But
the point is is that we've seen locations there. Now
you're moving it out into the suburbs, but you're also
leaving a facility that I remember being built. And when
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the Titans moved to Nashville, their stadium obviously completely outdated.
They're getting a new stadium for the hope of getting
a Super Bowl and getting Final Fours and doing all
of this. And that was a stadium that was built
in the late nineteen nineties. And it's the term and
over of these stadiums and dug in your backyard right now,
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of Green Bay. They've made renovation after renovation after renovation.
But it is considered a cathedral in the National Football
League and there are very few, if any cathedrals in
the National Football League outside of lambeau Field. You can
make an argument for some of them, like a couple,
only a couple of them I think you could make
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an argument for. But this is the point of when
we talk about baseball parks and Fenway and Wrigley and
the charm of that, and I get that they have
their sometimes have their problems, but there is something about
going to those places. Now in the National Football League,
all of these places are the same. There's nothing unique.
They just want to build a business shopping center around
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them and throw artificial turf and yeah, we can host
final fours. How many times do you think the Final
four is can be going to Cleveland? Seriously, let's be
real here, how many Super Bowls are you actually going
to get in Cleveland with this? I just to me,
it's just as it's weird, and it's weird that we're
outliving these stadiums and just like almost it feels like
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a snap of the fingers, you know, twenty twenty five
years move on, let's get a new one.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Would I would say that there's a couple things to it.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
First, there's stadium envy.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
You know, you walk into Sofa and you're like, man,
you walk into Vegas, man, you walk into Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I also think that as much as I hate Dome football,
like I really don't like Dome football, if you can
do it like the Raiders in and I don't know
if you can do it there, or you could do
it like they do overseas where they have the infrared
lights underground. If you can play it on grass, I
think that could that could help be a sale for
people to still think it's real football and play it
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open air at times because it makes the stadium so
much more viable the rest of the year. But the
big thing is you can just make gobs and gobs
and gobs of money not just on the stadium, but also.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
On the surrounding area.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
If somebody is going to give you, hey, whether you
own the stadium or don't know, on the statement, you can,
if you can have owned the entertainment district, I mean,
you just That's really what happened to the Patriots. It
wasn't just that they got a new stadium built, but
they got Patriot Place where they have a hotel and
they have restaurants and all this other stuff, and so
they just it's a business. They're trying to make sure
the Packers. Obviously it's unique because it's owned by people
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in the town, but they're much their model as being
the oldest stadium which the team has played consistently continuously
in the Nation Football League. Their model is more the
European soccer model in that like if you go in
there today or tomorrow, even the day before the game,
they have tours, they have restaurants.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It is it's a tourist attraction.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Whereas Cleveland and some of these others that I agree,
we're outliving these stadiums. They're not old enough or unique
enough to be tourist attractions and yet not new enough
to have this kind of vibrant, all digital and then
entertainment district.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Doug Doug. I think that's where therein lies the question,
like when do you decide, based on how old a
stadium is, do you want to preserve it and turn
it into like almost a historic landmark like a lot
of stadiums in college football, and you know, lambeau Field,
or if it's like built after nineteen sixty, do you
just look at it as like just a pile of
concrete and steel and we can just bulldoze and replace it.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, it's in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Now this one is you know, I'm just saying like
this one's like ninety I know.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
No, I'm saying like, I think twenty five years supposedly.
I mean, I mean think about it. Now there's there,
you know, you have all these are built for standard
def you know, with all kinds of wires, and now
you have to have everything digital, and there's there's such
a different, more advanced way of building them. I remember
being in Qualcom that last year. That was just such
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a dump and it was so old.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
The scoreboard was very small. I saw the last game. Yeah,
it was just like a little it looks like a
just like a square TV up there exactly. But it's like,
but you know a stadium that's only twenty eight years old,
or like where the Braves used to play now it's
what Georgia State plays there, and then they moved into
a new stadium for the Braves, and it's like it's
just to me, it's just I'm I'm I like dumps.
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I like preserve dumps or just have them be dumpy.
There's I think there's a part of the fan, you know,
general sports fan base out there that likes sort of
the dive bar feel of some stadiums like Wrigley and Fenway,
where there is.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Like one hundred years no what I'm saying, it's like
a one hundred.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Where do you Where do you decide then to preserve
the next fen the next Fenway or the next Wrigley?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
If we're I.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Think, I think, I think, uh, Camden Yards. I think
what's the one in Pittsburgh called now the Baseball Stadium?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
That everything? I just know this P and C. I
don't know if it's still that, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I don't either, Like those are the it's I don't
know how many guys have you guys have bought homes,
but if you've ever walked into a tween or home, like,
you don't want to walk into a home that was
redone in like two thousand and two thousand and five.
I'd much rather walk into one that it's was built
in nineteen seventy and it looks like nineteen seventy and
then I can gut and redo it and make it
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my own that I can that somebody else redid it,
and then it's all the colors all it's got a
do it yeah, or even the early two thousands, right
back when everything was tope and yeah, I mean there's
just different colors tope. You know we got we went
to everything was white. About last five years everything paint
house white. Now houses are black people loved like black
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and charcoal shingle houses.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Out here in La the white look is very is
very prominent, especially if new builds.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, I mean it's clean, it's easy. If you ever
redo a house. It's just I like color though.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
In everything white, I know, but it looks new and
fresh when it's white, and then you paint your own.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, what are you gonna say?
Speaker 7 (23:55):
I was just to say this is also like part
of the problem of like, so baseball gives you some
charm where you've got eight I'll just call it at
and T in San Francis where the Giants play again,
naming rights and forget what everything changes.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
That's part of the problem, by the way, Yeah, it
could be.
Speaker 7 (24:10):
Yeah, I mean the like that ballpark is still one
that my buddy's a newer ballpark would say like, oh
I got to get to San Francisco and how many
your friends out in No l I say like, oh
I got to get to Pittsburgh to a game, and
then the National Football League. All of these places are
the same, like there's and I don't know if that's
because it's a football stadium and baseball you can have
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unique stuff with views and but now when we're just
like going out and building these I'm going to just
a barn dominium, if you will.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
For the Cleveland.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
Browns for all of your you know, all encompassing needs,
there's just no character to it. And we're moving on
from a facility that was built because it was the
reason that the Browns left in the first place. Where
in the city of Cleveland. I don't know all the
ins and outs of it, so I don't know if
it was a good deal or a bad deal for
the renovations, but I do know Lambellfield has had so
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many different versions of itself with skyboxes on one side,
skyboxes on both sides, skyboxes encompassing the whole stadium. Then
they're building an upper deck like it's been change after
change after change after change, but people still, you know,
want to go to Lambellfield and it's the place to
be and you don't don't have that in the National
Football League. I would say people more want to go
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to college stadiums because of their history than they would
have anything in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I think the same could be said in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Right, India is a really cool areta, a little unique
the garden. Do you only put the billion dollars into
the garden Madison Square Garden when they redid it.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, with a B a billion and it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
But outside of that, you know, like the Clippers are
the first and this is a big new and the
Clippers needed one because it's their first time they have
their own building, their own own and they put a
ton of money into it. I would say that what
we're not, what we don't know, and it's what I've
been told is if you own your own building, own
that own entertainment district, you make gobs and gobs and
(26:07):
gobs of money. I don't know who owns the Brown Stadium,
but I'm guessing that they don't own it, and if
they do, they don't own any entertainment district close. And
so the thing is now you can make when you
have an entertainment district, you can make money in the summer,
not just on the you know, ten or eleven home
(26:28):
dates you have in the fall. So I do think
and while it while there is the stadium and the
newness and the sponsorships, and you know what pays for
all those jumbo boards is the fact that they can
sell ads on them all the time and make and
really pay for itself. So that's why all that signage
(26:48):
stuff and all the digital stuff is so important to have.
But the bigger thing is, I believe, is owning the stadium,
owning the surrounding areas, owning the parking and the entertainment district.
And that's where you're just talking about crazy, crazy amounts
of money. And oh yeah, by the way, you don't
have to split that with the players, right because they
(27:08):
split football revenue, not overall revenue. So it's a it's
a brilliant way of doing business. And again I agree
with you, Dan, like I'm a traditionalists as well. I
hate the changing naming rights or whatever. Just play the
same damn stadium and fix it up. But these are
the realities of business.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
Are you guys bothered by Arrowhead possibly being abandoned at
some point? I think Arahead is one of the most
unique stadiums, and it's only it's fifty two years old.
I think the design of it, especially the upper bowl lip,
is one of the most recognizable in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
It's one of the few that I mentioned when I
said there are very few stadiums that people, I think
would want to go to and see and see what
a design of it is unique. Yes, they obviously want
a new one. The Bills are getting a new one.
I know that I'd love to see the current one
just to see how the NFL has been in that
stadium for for how long? But now, Doug and I
(28:06):
and Jason remember when the Dolphins got Joe Robbie. The
new stadium is nineteen eighty seven has when it opened.
That's the sixth oldest stadium in the National Football League
and that one's been redone very well.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Very nicely.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah to a football only Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
But only the Soldier Field, Lambeau, Arrowhead where the Bills play,
and the Superdome are older facilities in the National Football League.
The Jaguars, who just have their new stadium that they
announced they got approved by the NFL. That was the
seventh oldest facility in the National Football League. So now
there's no chance of us having great history at any
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of these places because there's only going to be Soldier Field,
lambeau Field and Arrowhead and the Superdome to move on,
because all these other places are going to be within
the last thirty years or so of being built.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Crazy.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
And one more thing, I get it too, Like I
went to the about ten years ago, and you could
never you know, the idea of like you know, demolishing
the Rose Bull and building a new one or something.
He's ridiculous. It makes you mad. But I do get it.
When you go in there, people were just legitimately smaller
like one hundred years ago, and those tunnels are tiny,
and it takes a while to get everybody into the stadium.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
So I get it.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
There's logistically sometimes you do need just something better because
like it's just not accommodating anymore. Logistically.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, I again, I do think the logistics and those
and being accommodating is important. I don't think it's even
close to the real reasons being done.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Is the money, The sponsor. You want to draw in sponsorships, Yeah,
you want something new and fresh.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, but who doesn't they they don't have to pay
for it.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Who doesn't love your you know, using one of those
you know troughs though, and like you go, I think
you used to go into Wrigley and they had him
up until recently. Maybe they still do have them, but
they had the troughs.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Man.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
That's that's old school throwing it back, and some people
just find that to be nostalgic, even if it's a
little weird and outdated.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, it's still it's all equally weird to have that
little guy you're journal thing, and then everybody's like can
I use that?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I don't use that? Is it some of my manhood?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Then you have the handicap one, which is like an
apartment at the end which everybody likes to go camp
out in, But you're not handicap So is this as
bad as parking in a handicap spot? These are all
the questions that they come through my mind.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Just get in and out, get back to your seat.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
It's one way to do it.
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Did you watch the Thursday night game? I know you're
prone to watch football first and football second. Football for
most plus you have your fantasy podcast. How much of
that game?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Did you watch?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
About half of it?
Speaker 9 (31:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
It was a tough.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
One, it was. It was a hard watch, so hard watch.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
Normally, if all the participants were playing, it would have
been worthwhile. But the Saints were so decimated and the
Broncos just aren't a pretty watch offensively that it made
for an awful Thursday night game.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yep, it was a bad one. It was a bad one.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Spencer Rattler, you guys remember him, started Oklahoma, then was
replaced by Caleb Williams transferred to South Carolina.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
And you know.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
That's the stuff that actually annoys me. Are people who
talk themselves into like, hey, this is the answer, this
is our brock Party, this is our Tom Brady. I
think Spencer Ratler is going to be the guy. Really,
that's really what we think. Now, maybe he deserves more
of a chance of what he had last night considering
how short handed they were.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yes, but this is the sort of crap that you get.
And it wasn't all his fault.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
But no, no, but.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
What a weird year for the Saints, right, And I
know injuries are a huge, huge factor, but to put
up forty seven and forty four, and then you think
of how they lost that game to the Eagles, and
since then, complete and utter house of cards, house of carts,
(32:36):
they've lost five in a row. They got the Chargers
on the road, who without a healthy team against the
physicality of the Chargers, they went. Then they get the Panthers,
one of the two teams they've beaten Falcons and Browns.
So it's not a crazy hard schedule. But what leads
you to believe after watching last night or give up
fifty one to the Buccaneers that they can be competitive,
let alone win.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Yeah, that's the That is the Other part of the
is maybe you look at and you see certain wins
down the road and then you remember that it's the
Saints team that you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Now.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Derek Carr is expected to do some throwing this weekend,
but honestly, for an organization that really needs a reboot,
Alvin Kamari even talked about it last night, being frustrated
and seeing the fans leave early. There just wasn't any energy,
even if Drew Brees was going into the Hall of Fame.
It just is a different feel, and it feels like
apathy is starting to set in and them reeling off
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another eight straight losses may not be the worst thing
in the world long term for them, but man I
likened it to the Panthers in two thousand and one
when they won their first game and then lost the
next fifteen in a row, where the Saints could start
too and zero and then who knows, maybe you end
up two in fifteen.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Oh my god, they were good those first two weeks.
And I know the Panthers the first game, but they
were really good.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Which was just which was the biggest law of the
first two weeks these sites who By the way, I
think the Cowboys should feel much worse about themselves right
now for getting their asses kicked by the Saints the
way they did at home. By the way, but what
was the bigger Why the Saints or the Raiders going
into Baltimore on winning. How unusual does that sound given
(34:19):
the state of the teams?
Speaker 7 (34:21):
I acally I was gonna say, I think the Raiders
is more of the fake.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
The Saints.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
You can't sorry, say what you will about Derek Carr,
he's injured. You don't have Chris Olave, you don't have
Rashid Shaheed. Those are very big parts of your offense.
So last night could have been understood a little bit,
even though the Broncos were playing without Patrick's Artan the
Raiders coming back and scoring what like thirteen unanswered against
(34:49):
the Ravens to win in that fourth quarter to be
as more of the outlier.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, I mean the Raiders one was a super weird one.
I think that one's the biggest outlier, biggest outlier because
the Raiders legitimately stink.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
They don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Now, granted, at the time they had one of the
best defensive players in football, one of the best wide
receivers in football.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Like that.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
It was, and at the time they still had some hope.
But yeah, I would say that's the bigger lie than
the Saints.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Do we have a follow up on how the Drew
brees chant went Yes?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
Was it as disastrous as the Saints offense?
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I did see it last night.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I did not.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
It wasn't as confusing, but it did not go off
like he said that they were going to lift the
roof off of the Superdome. Roof is still on, by
the way. He just powered through it. He just like,
did it rapid fire? You couldn't decipher what the crowd
was saying. And then he was like, thank you. It
was pretty much a mess.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
It was random.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, it was just again, nobody knew what they were
role was one.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Two buckle my shoe?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Oh yeah, uh cheb, nick Chebb.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Let's get to our good friend Mark Dominic, former gentleal
manager of the Tampay Buccaneers, join us and the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Saint's just been decimated
by injuries and they're not that good Broncos are a
hard watch. Any takeaways of note from that game.
Speaker 9 (36:25):
Last night, Well, I think the sad part was as
much as you were rooting for Spener Rattler and what
he could possibly do or what he could possibly be
that was ruined pretty hard last night in terms of
being rattled and just the sacks and the plays just
you know, I know it took them in the fifth round.
It is what it is, but it just shows you again,
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you got to have something that's more viable at quarterback
after your first string guy, because you've got to be
able to be competitive in games, and that game just
wasn't competitive. But I'm sure for coach Payton was a
very important game for him to win, even though he
won't admit it.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, no, no question about it. Let's get to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I know they've had a lot of injuries as well,
but how fixable their issues?
Speaker 9 (37:13):
I think it's concerning. You know, I've always been a
Cowboy guy, as you know. You know they got to
the two rookies. Not offensive line, but to me, it's
more defensively. It's just it's and yes, Michael Parsons, you
know it's a big, big loss, but you know they've
been through, like you said, some injuries. It just doesn't
feel like the defense is fine and its groove and
and as comfortable under coach Zimmer uh than coach Quinn.
(37:37):
And they are completely different types of coaches.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (37:40):
And I think that maybe the players aren't responding quite
the way I thought they would, and so it's been,
you know, frustrating and just it does not look like
like we said. Like you said, it's just not the
same team. You know. Obviously they've got de Marcus Lawrence
and Neeland's on ir and Sam Williams never even got there,
So they've got pieces of that team drawn Blamd's not
back yet that are all missing that they eagerly need.
(38:04):
But the only thing that can fix this team right
now is what you're talking about, and that's the magic
of health.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
It's in the meantime. It's it's tough. It's it's really
really tough. Nick Sirianni kind of giving it back to
his own fans. They did win, but it's not like
they were crazy impressive. What's your sense of the Eagles
and whether or not their coach can get them on
the right track.
Speaker 9 (38:33):
Yeah, I mean I think he can. I think he
can get him on the right track. I feel like
he tried to steal something out of Dan Campbell's playbook,
even though Dan Campbell played in the National Football League
and certainly has a little more clout to him in
terms of, you know, being the tough guy. I felt
like Nick was trying to be the Joe tough guy
and doesn't have to do that, even though Philly is
a tough town. It was just here's bizarre, and obviously
(38:54):
he apologize for how he handled himself. I do think
there's still time, but it's a one year thing. Howie
Roseveen showed in the past to be quick to make
decisions of how he's safe there. I think as the
general manager, certainly, but I don't know that Nick is.
This team's got to get a turned around, right. This
is not really the NSC East is at all what
I thought it would be at this point, and so
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there's still opportunity for all these clubs to kind of
get themselves back in order. But the Commanders play the
Panthers this weekend and can move out to five and
two with a win.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
How who got who improved more? The Bills or the
Jets with their wide Bride receiver acquisition, So I think.
Speaker 9 (39:34):
The Bills did and the reason why as much as
I like Devonte Adams, and yeah, he'll hopefully be healthy
and ready to play. You know, Garrett Wilson's a legit,
no doubt in my mind. Number one, it was a
mistake I think from the previous you know, Nate Hackett,
you see Todd Downing's forcing the ball to him, and
that's what you got to do. You have to force
your ball to the best players and let them make
a play. I think the Buffalo Bill's here has been
(39:57):
very good, but I think they have an an a
Mario Cooper to be like a number one type of
guy is going to be a big difference for the
Buffalo offense as well as Josh Allen's playing rather than
Devanta Adams. Are they already having them one? This is
going to help him. They've got a crowded receiver room,
which isn't a bad thing, but that doesn't fix their
offensive line. And that's the concern I still have with
the Jets.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
The Pittsburgh Steelers appear appear to be poised to start
Russell Wilson. This despite the fact of four and two
on the year, Justin Fields has handled it pretty well.
Does it actually make them better to start Russell Wilson?
Speaker 9 (40:30):
I think it does. I think that, you know, when
you look at the Pittsburgh Steelers and how they've played
this year, certainly being born to at this point and
losing two games vary by very small margins. The difference is,
you know, Justin Field is really you know, outside of
what one or two games, he's talked for hundred something
yards every game, right one hundred and fifty hundred and
forty hundred and thirty, one hundred and ten, He's done
(40:52):
a good job of not losing the games, and they're
calling the games that way for him. I think the
offense is going to be more explosive in terms of
passing the ball, in terms of getting the ball out
to wide receivers, in terms of I think you can
see thirty two to thirty five attempts and that kind
of stuff. I just think it's going to be a
different game with Russell Wilson. So as good as you know,
JJ has again not had the turnovers, just the one interception,
(41:14):
He's taken quite a few sacks, But I think overall
this is going to be a better off now going
forward with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Mark Dominic, longtime front office better a former
general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Jeorge This weekly
here in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
There are a couple of huge games this weekend, none
bigger than Niners versus the Chiefs. Niners obviously have struggled
some with all of their injuries, but well, brock Perty
(41:42):
was really good last week. What are your thoughts on
how they match up against the Chiefs.
Speaker 9 (41:47):
I think it's a good matchup. I know the forty
nine ers obviously are three and three, and they don't
feel like a three and three football team, but they've
they've certainly, you know, had a good game against the Seahawks.
You know, they've lost the tough winning its their zone.
I like, I have a hard time ever going against
the Chiefs because of the continuity factor. I think you're
right that, you know, brock Perty's played very well. It
(42:09):
looks like Juju Smith Schuster will be able to go.
At least that's the words from Andy Reid that he
thinks he's gonna be able to go. I just think
that San Francisco probably isn't a better position to play
at home. I just think that from a defensive standpoint,
San Francisco's probably a better spot. I know they're still
banged up a little bit on the defense side, but
I like, as much as I'm a chief believer, I
(42:31):
think this one goes to San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
This weekend, Texans come in to take on the Packers.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I watched the Packers, and you know, listen, I thought
Arizona was pretty good for a couple weeks of the season.
They were fairly non competitive last weekend, and the Texans
they had some They've had some really close games but
persevered to only have one loss.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Two really talented young quarterbacks. How good. Let's start with
the Texans. How good are they?
Speaker 9 (42:58):
Yeah, I think we'll have a better sense of them, right.
I mean, they did beat the Buffalo Bills. Other than that,
you know, they've beat the Bears, and they've beat A.
Colt's team and the Jaguars team and the Patriots team.
So it's not you know, if they don't have that
Bills win, I'm sitting there going, well, they've certainly got
the schedule figured out. I think the Packers are the
better team. I think they're more explosive across the board.
I think they have a better offensive line. I think
(43:20):
those things all come into it. You know, from a
defensive standpoint, I like the aggressiveness that we see from
Coach Hapley, the defensive coordinator at the Green Bay Packers.
He takes more risks and you know whether CJ. Stroud
and company can capitalize on that, and I don't know
if they'll be able to because I think that they're
going to try to get after Stroud pretty hard. As
long as Jylie Alexander's out there on the field, that
gives them a better chance of winning the game at
(43:41):
cornerbacks because he's such a good player when he can
be healthy and when he is healthy. But that's just
such a big piece of the puzzle as well for
the Green Bay Packers. So all that being said, I
really I lean towards the Packers in this game. I
think we'll find out exactly who the Houston Texans really
are based off of how they performance. They beat the Packers,
and Houston's got themselves and you know, the Otus got
(44:02):
a great record, But then they certainly put another notch
on their belt saying, hey, look we're not just messing
around to the the AFC South. We're going to try
to get the AFC Conference tyle team.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
I'm really interested in the Jaguars. A lot of talk
that there'll be a coaching change when they return from overseas,
but Trevor Lawrence just does not look the same. So
I'll put you back in the GMC. You're trying to
fix Trevor Lawrence because you just signed to a contract extensions.
Sound like you're gonna run him off.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Right?
Speaker 9 (44:35):
It's kind of what I talked about before, you know,
when that was around coach Dungee and working underneath him.
A lot of things he talked about is like, dude,
let's but do it better. You know That's that's kind
of the mantra that he had, like, Okay, we're not
going to get this done. We're going to at least
do this smaller part better. I don't know what to
say about Trevor Lawrence and what I mean by that is,
(44:57):
and I was very vocal with you too. I don't
think Trevor Lawn should have gotten that kind of a contract,
I don't think he's performed to that level. I think
you think you're buying what you think you're going to get.
But the reality is Trevor Lawrence is still on pace
for probably right around twenty five touchdowns. It's what he
does every year, and so I just I feel like
that's what Trevor Lawrence is and as much as you
(45:20):
can have weapons around him, and I know it's going
to be good to have Evan Anger hopefully going and
what that means, but if there's going to be a
change of coach, quite frankly, I don't think the rockters
as good as I think that Trent Balki has led
the owner to believe. And I think that's more of
the pressing part is that I just don't think when
you look at them defensively, right does what's the defensive
(45:42):
player you're scared of. Trayvon Walker's been good, Josh Allen's
been good. They've paid their players a lot of money,
but they're not getting that much money in return for
how much they're paying these players in the first place.
Even Brandon Sheriff's not looking like the player that they've
paid for. And that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
That.
Speaker 9 (45:58):
I think haunting the team got leap.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Miami's waiting on Tua.
But how do you protect yourself if you're Miami, right?
Speaker 9 (46:12):
I think the only way you see the problem you
have is that Ken Hills playing not going to pick
to Miami, but he's obviously the one quarterback you'd sit
there and go, look, that could make a lot of sense,
you know, because he's the best quarterback that's out there
on the streets. You've got to call around. I think
you call the other thirty one clubs. You look at
the rosters, the depth charts and say, hey, look, maybe
we want James Winston or maybe you want you know,
(46:36):
some other quarterback that's played in the Nation Football League,
and you're like, I can go get him from them
and see if we can get fixed in terms of
like our roster in that that position. So I think
you've got to call the other clubs, look at the
depth charts and say, who's got the best number two
slash three that can you know, like a Miles Davis
and go, hey, look, I know Houston you sign him
to an extension, but we might want to go get
(46:57):
him because he's proven to be good. He might not
be great, for it's proven to be a good guy
that you can win around. Or maybe it's Gardner Minshew,
even though I think Gardner Minshew's showing everybody what he
can be or what he is. He's just a solid quarterback.
But I think you've got to look around the thirty
one of the clubs because I don't think Tan Hills options.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
I don't think so either. I really don't as well.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
I'm interested in what you think about the Raiders and
kind of the selloff now right, it's you're getting Tom
Brady saying, Hey, I want Belichick to be the coach,
but you just hired Telesco, who he's from Napoleon family, right,
you still have Mark Davis. It's just kind of this
weird sort of thing where there's no true direction. Don't
(47:43):
get me wrong. You know, to Lescom, I'm not shy
to meet a friend and has obviously done a very
good job draft and go back to his days with
the Chargers. But how do you think that plays out
there as they appear to be packing it in for
this year.
Speaker 9 (47:57):
Yeah, I think it's bad. I think it's been very
difficult to watch them. Uh, you know, obviously with their
quarterback situation number one, I never thought they should have
started garnering Minshew. I think they should have just given
the season to Aidan O'Connell and see what he is
and know exactly what they're going to get. And now
you're getting Aidan O'Connell in there, and Jacobe Myers isn't playing,
and now your best receiver has been shopped. You know,
(48:19):
you've got a tight end that's you know, on the NFI.
So it's it's kind of hard to get a sense
of who this own quarterback is. And even he's not
good enough. What I feel is the one and done
season coming right down the road for the Las Vegas Raiders,
and that's for Antonio Pierce. I just I don't feel
hopefully confident and where they're headed as a football team
and just his uh, just the general feel for it
(48:43):
I do. I don't think it's just like, oh, it's
automatically going to be Belichick. I think Tom Telesto could
be in trouble too. I mean, Tom's a good friend
of mine too. I've done for so long, you know,
great opportunity for him to actually go from one team
to the other, and you know, if you look at
the Raiders draft class this year, I'd sit there and say,
you know, obviously brought Powers then exactly what I think
we all thought it would be. J Glides has coming
(49:05):
there and I think played well at right tackle. Right now,
I'm saying with Jackson Powers, Johnson's been good. So I
mean your first three picks are actually playing well. So
I think he got to take down into account. I
don't know if it's a one and done for Tom.
I do think Belichick would got in there. But you're
gonna you know, it's a different animal, Like you said,
Napoleon family versus the Belichick family, two different worlds. You
got to just be prepared to live in it, and
you've got to be prepared to give up some of
(49:25):
your probably your juice in the draft room, or maybe
juice and free agency to Belichick if you want to
keep that job.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Mark Dominic spent over twenty years in the NFL, and
of course he was a scouting guy, front office guy,
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
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Speaker 1 (00:46):
Almost the perfect night in baseball.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I'm big on this, you know.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And I'm not as big on New York baseball as
Big Apple Sam is, nor am I a huge Dodger
fan the way that Jason Stewart is. I just know
that baseball actually talent wise and quality of play wise,
converse to I think the NFL, and Jason, you tell
(01:14):
me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Here.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
We've talked, and we we're talk in the podcast about
as well on you talk about you call it Zoropa
like the Zoropa albums Zopa Tour, where the NFL is
kind of living on reputation. The product isn't that good.
I actually think Major League Baseball's product is outstanding, but
the reputation isn't. It has a reputation of being boring
in stale and nondescript teams winning.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It is that fair?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Do you think the product is actually really good?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
The product of baseball?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I think the product the actual talent in the game.
I think there's there's never been more talent in the game. Sure,
But the antics of the players and the way they
choose to play the game, and some of the rule
changes piss me off.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
But not I think the rule changes.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
But look the rule changes that brought athleticism back to
the sport. There's more balls in play. Remember, if you
go back before the rule changes, more than sixty six percent,
more than two thirds of the time, a pitch would
only be touched by potentially only three people involved pitcher,
catcher and hitter. Right it was either strikeout, walk, or
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home run. And the rule changes have made you know,
playing small ball a little bit kind of back in
vogue and not having the shift and having the universal DH,
all of these things, it's been good. I think the
sports actually play wise and talent wise in a good place.
I know you don't like the antics. Everybody has a
celebration when they get a single. You know, it can
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be an error and they still do something, you know,
some sort of gyration to their dugout. We can talk
about that later day. The point is that baseball talent wise,
baseball skill wise, baseball execution wise in a good place.
But it needs Dodgers Yankees for mainstream people to pay
attention to it, much the way the WNBA is better
(03:08):
than it has ever been. But they need Caitlin Clark
to play as much as possible for me to people
to actually pay attention to him.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And then of course you got the Yankees. Oi.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, YOI what a way to lose a game if
you're the Yankees. These are games that the Yankees traditionally
always seem to win, right, always seem to win, and
yet the improbable happens when the Yankees bullpen absolutely blows it. Right,
I suppose it between Luke Weaver and Clay Holmes, just
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one after the next did not look comfortable, and neither
did Tommy. What's the guy's name, Tommy, shoot the guy.
He walked a couple guys when he first came in.
Just too many walks. I mean, the story of last
night was the walks of the Dodgers and the walks
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by the Yankees of the Guardians. But that was one
where I'm watching the game and you know, it's four
to three and then five to three. I think, what
wasn't five to three heading into the bottom of the ninth,
And then this happened.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
In the.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Deep time Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
John Jensen no Well, John Kenson, Noel nicknames Big Christmas
two outs Bob of the ninth. And I have a
I have a coach who coaches with me. His name's
Jordan McCabe. Jordan mcabe is if you ever know the
site ball is life like. He was the first ever player.
He is Zion Williamson and Jordan McCabe were the first
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ball as life guys.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
And he started when I first got here. May hate
he did baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Took him to a Brewer game. We had a couple
of beers. He's like, you know what, not bad? So
I mandated that he watched playoff baseball last night and
he was like, did you watch that Yankee game? That
was unbelievable. I thought the game was over. And the
thing about baseball is there is no time limit. It's
not over to you get that twenty seventh out, and
that was with twenty six outs. Here's David Fry with
(05:23):
a runner on second, score tiede in the tenth swing.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Got hit high, hit deep to left segus.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
O god to run, home run to the play cherson
left by David Fried.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Who is that with the Who is that what they
call go ahead?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Dan Tom Hamilton on the call.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
My favorite thing about that home run on the tenth
inning off of the bat of David Fry is because
of the way Jacob's fields we'll call it is situated,
and you have that enormous scoreboard in left He's a
right handed hitter, pulls a shot to left field, and
as the ball is traveling over the fence, there's this enormance. No,
(06:13):
it has this enormous graphic of David Fry. So it
is it is perfect, like because it is his moment,
it is his shot. He poses at the plate. Camera
cuts to the ball going over and about I don't know,
forty two percent of your screen when you're watching it
is this huge David Fry graphic because he was at bat.
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It was such an awesome visual aside from it being
a walk off, two run home run that was absolutely crushed,
but also to have the picture of his graphic on
the scoreboard in the background, amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Truly amazing, truly, truly, truly amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I just again, I want Dodgers Yankees World Series, but
I do love.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Seeing the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Who's especially in the bottom of the ninth who doesn't
And just the idea that that I hadn't seen a
home run that big since David Freeze in the World
Series in Game six, last strike, bottom of the ninth,
and then of course once again in extra innings it
was David Freeze and that was when Joe Buck had
the tip of the cap to his dad, we'll see
(07:20):
you tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
That was exciting, Like I get excited even listening to Tom
Hamilton with the call. That is in fact baseball, Like
we joke about baseball being so you know, the weird
thing you can't explain, but that is baseball where it's like,
all right, this thing's over Yankees would be about up
three games to none, and then of course the Dodgers
(07:42):
are up three games to one, like these series are
winding down and then all of a sudden, one swing
of the bat and we got extras. One more swing
of the bat and we got ourselves a series.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
And Luke Weaver has been so good, i think the
last part of the season and especially in this post season,
he's been just dominant, and you get the feeling and
you know it's an uphill climb for the Guardians because
they have half the talent thing Inkos do, but you
get the feeling that that was like a blow, That
was a gut punch. We were giving up that tie
(08:15):
in run with two outs in the night, and we've
seen this happen in baseball. There's precedent for this. You
go back to one moment in time and that could
have been the series. If the Guardians end up coming back,
I'm going to go back to that big Christmas moment
against Weaver, who had been untouchable for most of the postseason.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
YEP, it is.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It is a big one. And we'll talk about this
later on the show, probably talk about some in the pod,
which is like just like when you blow a save
like that, it's really hard. And those guys are wired differently, right,
they've been they tried out there so much that they
blow on All right, I gotta come back. But there
(08:54):
is you know, there is that hangover effect, and I
think I think show hate leading off the NLC. Yes,
with the home run, I thought there was a hangover
for the rest of the game. Dodgers have a lead,
Dodgers play with confidence, Dodgers up one to nothing. It
felt like, you know, they're playing with house money to
start the game. But yeah, how Luke Weaver responds, how
(09:18):
that Yankee bullpen responds, Because you're not winning anything baseball
now without the bullpen, you gotta be big. But what
a what a great night for baseball. By the way,
here's Mookie Betts. Did he talk about Jason Stewart calling
him on Twitter? No, he talked about the performance without
Freddy Freeman.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
No, this is the second game we won without Freddy,
so maybe Freddie need to.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Not play anything.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
There's a little fake media laugh right there.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Right, that was a little a little over the top.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
You know, here's Max Muncy saying, you know the cliche,
they're not done.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Yet for us, tomorrow it's a it's a zero zero series.
We got to go out there and take care of business.
You know, we're not thinking about, you know, one more game.
We're thinking about tomorrow's zero zero series. We got to
go out there prepare the right way. You know, game
playing the right way can get our approach going, and
you know, just take care of business and play Dodger baseball.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I totally understand, Okay, I understand that for the Dodgers,
you want to like, this just sets up so well
to them, the fact that you're playing three nights in
a row. When you get it again, remember you get ahead,
and I know in baseball it's hard to have momentum
carry over. But when you win, you know, two out
(10:34):
of the first three and don't allow a run, then
you win the next one and you know, you score
ten runs you only allow too, and Show Hayes hitting
and Mookie Bets is hitting, and you're like, oh, holy hell,
now what and then you get no time to collect
your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
It does feel like it's over. It does.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I'm not like calling it when you know, the Mets,
it's not like the Dodgers have the world's greatest starting pitching.
But man, this series if it if it closes up
shop tonight that thing. If you're the Mets, you had
to feel like after Game two this, wait, what happened?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
What what happened? I'll relate it to this. I'm coaching
my first college game tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Do you guys know that? Right? We have a scrimmage,
secret scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
And one thing I do know from having broadcast games
and coached high school uh I coached actually one high
school game and a bunch of au and overseas, is
the games they can turn on a dime.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Like you get you get a.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Bad lineup, and all of a sudden, you get in
a bad run and you never recover. And I feel
like the Mets. I feel like the Mets. You know,
once Mookie got it going show a hits home run.
When you're talking three days in a row, three l's
potentially three l's in row, and now we're out of there,
like wait, we were just we won game two. We
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came bouncing back to New York where it's feld. You know,
this is what we do at lefg's. Let's go Mets,
and it it feels like it's.
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a little bit about it yesterday. The city of Cleveland
and in months of speculation about where the Cleveland Browns
will play in the future, announcing the franchise has made
a decision to leave downtown, the team's home since nineteen
forty six. Course, there was two different franchises, right, there
was the Cleveland Browns that left and then the new
Cleveland Browns. But again both played and they played at
the old it was a Memorial Stadium, right that was
(12:58):
that was the old where the Indians us to municipal
Municipal Stadium, right, which is a dump, but that's where
both the drive took place and the fumble took place.
Right in Cleveland. The Indians used to play there as well,
and then they built a new place and now because
they can't get a new stadium, they've said, hey, we're
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leaving Brown's ownership. In form Mayor Justin Bibb of the
decision last night. Now, I will caution us, Okay, I
will caution us. Those of us who have paid attention
to sports long enough know that there was like a
six month window where the Patriots were going to be
the Connecticut Patriots. Yeah, when they won that first Super
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Bowl and Tom Brady remember they had the they were
building the new Gillette Stadium, but that stadium wasn't going.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
To be built.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
They reached an impasse and the Patriots like, all right,
and where Renschler Field is in East Hartford was supposed
to be the stadium for the Patriots. They agreed to
the deal, announced the deal, did the ribbon cutting, did everything,
and then they end up getting a better deal to
remain in Foxborough. We've seen this with the Bears, right
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where are the Bears going to build air new stadium?
Is it Arlington? Are they just going to redo Soldier Field?
What's going to happen there? A lot of it is
is jostling, is jockeying, But it's a weird play considering
how many of these things have maybe financially they haven't failed.
And maybe this new NFL wave, maybe this is challenging
(14:34):
to the But I mean, heck, the Pistons moved, you know,
Pistons a bit moved out of downtown for Auburn Hills
that didn't work. It's not like Joe, not like the
new arena's working all that well? Is that what Papa
John's that was called? But these teams that move out
of downtown and you look at them. The Colts are
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in downtown, Baltimore's in downtown. New York tried to build
one on the West Side, which was mixed. Although I
still think that the Jets absolutely should have moved there.
It would have given them a site for final fours
for everything in Dome Stadium, but it got killed. That
was the West Side Highway project. They're not in the burbs.
(15:17):
They're in Jersey, which nobody likes. I'm trying to think, guys,
is there any suburban stadium that is a win?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Does a win?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Seattle's in downtown, the Seahawks, the Rams and Chargers don't.
It's not downtown, but it's in the middle of everything
in Inglewood. It's not There was a time when the Raiders.
You guys remember the Raiders were going to play in
City of Industry.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
City of Industry, for people that don't know, is like
literally a city where, like all you do now, there's
all these RVs where homeless people live.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
But outside of that, it's all the.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
What are those called, where they're like like warehouses, just
basically storage warehouse everywhere. It's like the whole it's this
complete non descript area on the east side of Los Angeles.
It's about ten degrees warmer than it is in LA
It's anyway, it never came to be. And that that
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was the reason the Raiders left to go to Oakland
was they were supposed to have the Coliseum where USC
now owns. In plays, they're supposed to have that redone.
It was never redone to the level of an NFL stadium.
They tried to stay and play in City of Industry.
That didn't work. They left to Oakland, and now they're
in Vegas, which, by the way, is a stadium which
is right on the strip, right off the strip. This
(16:44):
is just a weird play where it hasn't worked. I
don't think can you if we think about it, right,
San Francisco is in Santa Clara. I've never heard anyone
say that's a great stadium or that's a great location.
But they're no longer in San Francisco proper. They're not
even close. What do you guys think, I'm intrigued.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. I'm just surprised about. And
it isn't even the Cleveland location is unique because of
where it's situated.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's on the lake front.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
I've been there a couple of times, went to a
November game there once it's cold, it's chilly. But Chicago's
on the lakefront as well. In Chicago, different lake. But
the point is is that we've seen locations there. Now
you're moving it out into the suburbs, but you're also
leaving a facility that I remember being built. And when
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the Titans moved to Nashville, their stadium obviously completely outdated.
They're getting a new stadium for the hope of getting
a Super Bowl and getting Final Fours and doing all
of this. And that was a stadium that was built
in the late nineteen nineties. And it's the term and
over of these stadiums and dug in your backyard right now,
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of Green Bay. They've made renovation after renovation after renovation.
But it is considered a cathedral in the National Football
League and there are very few, if any cathedrals in
the National Football League outside of lambeau Field. You can
make an argument for some of them, like a couple,
only a couple of them I think you could make
(18:23):
an argument for. But this is the point of when
we talk about baseball parks and Fenway and Wrigley and
the charm of that, and I get that they have
their sometimes have their problems, but there is something about
going to those places. Now in the National Football League,
all of these places are the same. There's nothing unique.
They just want to build a business shopping center around
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them and throw artificial turf and yeah, we can host
final fours. How many times do you think the Final
four is can be going to Cleveland? Seriously, let's be
real here, how many Super Bowls are you actually going
to get in Cleveland with this? I just to me,
it's just as it's weird, and it's weird that we're
outliving these stadiums and just like almost it feels like
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a snap of the fingers, you know, twenty twenty five
years move on, let's get a new one.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Would I would say that there's a couple things to it.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
First, there's stadium envy.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
You know, you walk into Sofa and you're like, man,
you walk into Vegas, man, you walk into Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I also think that as much as I hate Dome football,
like I really don't like Dome football, if you can
do it like the Raiders in and I don't know
if you can do it there, or you could do
it like they do overseas where they have the infrared
lights underground. If you can play it on grass, I
think that could that could help be a sale for
people to still think it's real football and play it
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open air at times because it makes the stadium so
much more viable the rest of the year. But the
big thing is you can just make gobs and gobs
and gobs of money not just on the stadium, but also.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
On the surrounding area.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
If somebody is going to give you, hey, whether you
own the stadium or don't know, on the statement, you can,
if you can have owned the entertainment district, I mean,
you just That's really what happened to the Patriots. It
wasn't just that they got a new stadium built, but
they got Patriot Place where they have a hotel and
they have restaurants and all this other stuff, and so
they just it's a business. They're trying to make sure
the Packers. Obviously it's unique because it's owned by people
(20:27):
in the town, but they're much their model as being
the oldest stadium which the team has played consistently continuously
in the Nation Football League. Their model is more the
European soccer model in that like if you go in
there today or tomorrow, even the day before the game,
they have tours, they have restaurants.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It is it's a tourist attraction.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Whereas Cleveland and some of these others that I agree,
we're outliving these stadiums. They're not old enough or unique
enough to be tourist attractions and yet not new enough
to have this kind of vibrant, all digital and then
entertainment district.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Doug Doug. I think that's where therein lies the question,
like when do you decide, based on how old a
stadium is, do you want to preserve it and turn
it into like almost a historic landmark like a lot
of stadiums in college football, and you know, lambeau Field,
or if it's like built after nineteen sixty, do you
just look at it as like just a pile of
concrete and steel and we can just bulldoze and replace it.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, it's in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Now this one is you know, I'm just saying like
this one's like ninety I know.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
No, I'm saying like, I think twenty five years supposedly.
I mean, I mean think about it. Now there's there,
you know, you have all these are built for standard
def you know, with all kinds of wires, and now
you have to have everything digital, and there's there's such
a different, more advanced way of building them. I remember
being in Qualcom that last year. That was just such
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a dump and it was so old.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
The scoreboard was very small. I saw the last game. Yeah,
it was just like a little it looks like a
just like a square TV up there exactly. But it's like,
but you know a stadium that's only twenty eight years old,
or like where the Braves used to play now it's
what Georgia State plays there, and then they moved into
a new stadium for the Braves, and it's like it's
just to me, it's just I'm I'm I like dumps.
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I like preserve dumps or just have them be dumpy.
There's I think there's a part of the fan, you know,
general sports fan base out there that likes sort of
the dive bar feel of some stadiums like Wrigley and Fenway,
where there is.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Like one hundred years no what I'm saying, it's like
a one hundred.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Where do you Where do you decide then to preserve
the next fen the next Fenway or the next Wrigley?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
If we're I.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Think, I think, I think, uh, Camden Yards. I think
what's the one in Pittsburgh called now the Baseball Stadium?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
That everything? I just know this P and C. I
don't know if it's still that, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I don't either, Like those are the it's I don't
know how many guys have you guys have bought homes,
but if you've ever walked into a tween or home, like,
you don't want to walk into a home that was
redone in like two thousand and two thousand and five.
I'd much rather walk into one that it's was built
in nineteen seventy and it looks like nineteen seventy and
then I can gut and redo it and make it
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my own that I can that somebody else redid it,
and then it's all the colors all it's got a
do it yeah, or even the early two thousands, right
back when everything was tope and yeah, I mean there's
just different colors tope. You know we got we went
to everything was white. About last five years everything paint
house white. Now houses are black people loved like black
(23:39):
and charcoal shingle houses.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Out here in La the white look is very is
very prominent, especially if new builds.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, I mean it's clean, it's easy. If you ever
redo a house. It's just I like color though.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
In everything white, I know, but it looks new and
fresh when it's white, and then you paint your own.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, what are you gonna say?
Speaker 7 (23:55):
I was just to say this is also like part
of the problem of like, so baseball gives you some
charm where you've got eight I'll just call it at
and T in San Francis where the Giants play again,
naming rights and forget what everything changes.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
That's part of the problem, by the way, Yeah, it
could be.
Speaker 7 (24:10):
Yeah, I mean the like that ballpark is still one
that my buddy's a newer ballpark would say like, oh
I got to get to San Francisco and how many
your friends out in No l I say like, oh
I got to get to Pittsburgh to a game, and
then the National Football League. All of these places are
the same, like there's and I don't know if that's
because it's a football stadium and baseball you can have
(24:32):
unique stuff with views and but now when we're just
like going out and building these I'm going to just
a barn dominium, if you will.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
For the Cleveland.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
Browns for all of your you know, all encompassing needs,
there's just no character to it. And we're moving on
from a facility that was built because it was the
reason that the Browns left in the first place. Where
in the city of Cleveland. I don't know all the
ins and outs of it, so I don't know if
it was a good deal or a bad deal for
the renovations, but I do know Lambellfield has had so
(25:02):
many different versions of itself with skyboxes on one side,
skyboxes on both sides, skyboxes encompassing the whole stadium. Then
they're building an upper deck like it's been change after
change after change after change, but people still, you know,
want to go to Lambellfield and it's the place to
be and you don't don't have that in the National
Football League. I would say people more want to go
(25:24):
to college stadiums because of their history than they would
have anything in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I think the same could be said in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Right, India is a really cool areta, a little unique
the garden. Do you only put the billion dollars into
the garden Madison Square Garden when they redid it.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, with a B a billion and it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
But outside of that, you know, like the Clippers are
the first and this is a big new and the
Clippers needed one because it's their first time they have
their own building, their own own and they put a
ton of money into it. I would say that what
we're not, what we don't know, and it's what I've
been told is if you own your own building, own
that own entertainment district, you make gobs and gobs and
(26:07):
gobs of money. I don't know who owns the Brown Stadium,
but I'm guessing that they don't own it, and if
they do, they don't own any entertainment district close. And
so the thing is now you can make when you
have an entertainment district, you can make money in the summer,
not just on the you know, ten or eleven home
(26:28):
dates you have in the fall. So I do think
and while it while there is the stadium and the
newness and the sponsorships, and you know what pays for
all those jumbo boards is the fact that they can
sell ads on them all the time and make and
really pay for itself. So that's why all that signage
(26:48):
stuff and all the digital stuff is so important to have.
But the bigger thing is, I believe, is owning the stadium,
owning the surrounding areas, owning the parking and the entertainment district.
And that's where you're just talking about crazy, crazy amounts
of money. And oh yeah, by the way, you don't
have to split that with the players, right because they
(27:08):
split football revenue, not overall revenue. So it's a it's
a brilliant way of doing business. And again I agree
with you, Dan, like I'm a traditionalists as well. I
hate the changing naming rights or whatever. Just play the
same damn stadium and fix it up. But these are
the realities of business.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
Are you guys bothered by Arrowhead possibly being abandoned at
some point? I think Arahead is one of the most
unique stadiums, and it's only it's fifty two years old.
I think the design of it, especially the upper bowl lip,
is one of the most recognizable in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
It's one of the few that I mentioned when I
said there are very few stadiums that people, I think
would want to go to and see and see what
a design of it is unique. Yes, they obviously want
a new one. The Bills are getting a new one.
I know that I'd love to see the current one
just to see how the NFL has been in that
stadium for for how long? But now, Doug and I
(28:06):
and Jason remember when the Dolphins got Joe Robbie. The
new stadium is nineteen eighty seven has when it opened.
That's the sixth oldest stadium in the National Football League
and that one's been redone very well.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Very nicely.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah to a football only Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
But only the Soldier Field, Lambeau, Arrowhead where the Bills play,
and the Superdome are older facilities in the National Football League.
The Jaguars, who just have their new stadium that they
announced they got approved by the NFL. That was the
seventh oldest facility in the National Football League. So now
there's no chance of us having great history at any
(28:45):
of these places because there's only going to be Soldier Field,
lambeau Field and Arrowhead and the Superdome to move on,
because all these other places are going to be within
the last thirty years or so of being built.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Crazy.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
And one more thing, I get it too, Like I
went to the about ten years ago, and you could
never you know, the idea of like you know, demolishing
the Rose Bull and building a new one or something.
He's ridiculous. It makes you mad. But I do get it.
When you go in there, people were just legitimately smaller
like one hundred years ago, and those tunnels are tiny,
and it takes a while to get everybody into the stadium.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
So I get it.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
There's logistically sometimes you do need just something better because
like it's just not accommodating anymore. Logistically.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, I again, I do think the logistics and those
and being accommodating is important. I don't think it's even
close to the real reasons being done.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Is the money, The sponsor. You want to draw in sponsorships, Yeah,
you want something new and fresh.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, but who doesn't they they don't have to pay
for it.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Who doesn't love your you know, using one of those
you know troughs though, and like you go, I think
you used to go into Wrigley and they had him
up until recently. Maybe they still do have them, but
they had the troughs.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Man.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
That's that's old school throwing it back, and some people
just find that to be nostalgic, even if it's a
little weird and outdated.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, it's still it's all equally weird to have that
little guy you're journal thing, and then everybody's like can
I use that?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I don't use that? Is it some of my manhood?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Then you have the handicap one, which is like an
apartment at the end which everybody likes to go camp
out in, But you're not handicap So is this as
bad as parking in a handicap spot? These are all
the questions that they come through my mind.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Just get in and out, get back to your seat.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
It's one way to do it.
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Did you watch the Thursday night game? I know you're
prone to watch football first and football second. Football for
most plus you have your fantasy podcast. How much of
that game?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Did you watch?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
About half of it?
Speaker 9 (31:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
It was a tough.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
One, it was. It was a hard watch, so hard watch.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
Normally, if all the participants were playing, it would have
been worthwhile. But the Saints were so decimated and the
Broncos just aren't a pretty watch offensively that it made
for an awful Thursday night game.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yep, it was a bad one. It was a bad one.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Spencer Rattler, you guys remember him, started Oklahoma, then was
replaced by Caleb Williams transferred to South Carolina.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
And you know.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
That's the stuff that actually annoys me. Are people who
talk themselves into like, hey, this is the answer, this
is our brock Party, this is our Tom Brady. I
think Spencer Ratler is going to be the guy. Really,
that's really what we think. Now, maybe he deserves more
of a chance of what he had last night considering
how short handed they were.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yes, but this is the sort of crap that you get.
And it wasn't all his fault.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
But no, no, but.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
What a weird year for the Saints, right, And I
know injuries are a huge, huge factor, but to put
up forty seven and forty four, and then you think
of how they lost that game to the Eagles, and
since then, complete and utter house of cards, house of carts,
(32:36):
they've lost five in a row. They got the Chargers
on the road, who without a healthy team against the
physicality of the Chargers, they went. Then they get the Panthers,
one of the two teams they've beaten Falcons and Browns.
So it's not a crazy hard schedule. But what leads
you to believe after watching last night or give up
fifty one to the Buccaneers that they can be competitive,
let alone win.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Yeah, that's the That is the Other part of the
is maybe you look at and you see certain wins
down the road and then you remember that it's the
Saints team that you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Now.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Derek Carr is expected to do some throwing this weekend,
but honestly, for an organization that really needs a reboot,
Alvin Kamari even talked about it last night, being frustrated
and seeing the fans leave early. There just wasn't any energy,
even if Drew Brees was going into the Hall of Fame.
It just is a different feel, and it feels like
apathy is starting to set in and them reeling off
(33:29):
another eight straight losses may not be the worst thing
in the world long term for them, but man I
likened it to the Panthers in two thousand and one
when they won their first game and then lost the
next fifteen in a row, where the Saints could start
too and zero and then who knows, maybe you end
up two in fifteen.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Oh my god, they were good those first two weeks.
And I know the Panthers the first game, but they
were really good.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Which was just which was the biggest law of the
first two weeks these sites who By the way, I
think the Cowboys should feel much worse about themselves right
now for getting their asses kicked by the Saints the
way they did at home. By the way, but what
was the bigger Why the Saints or the Raiders going
into Baltimore on winning. How unusual does that sound given
(34:19):
the state of the teams?
Speaker 7 (34:21):
I acally I was gonna say, I think the Raiders
is more of the fake.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
The Saints.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
You can't sorry, say what you will about Derek Carr,
he's injured. You don't have Chris Olave, you don't have
Rashid Shaheed. Those are very big parts of your offense.
So last night could have been understood a little bit,
even though the Broncos were playing without Patrick's Artan the
Raiders coming back and scoring what like thirteen unanswered against
(34:49):
the Ravens to win in that fourth quarter to be
as more of the outlier.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, I mean the Raiders one was a super weird one.
I think that one's the biggest outlier, biggest outlier because
the Raiders legitimately stink.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
They don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Now, granted, at the time they had one of the
best defensive players in football, one of the best wide
receivers in football.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Like that.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
It was, and at the time they still had some hope.
But yeah, I would say that's the bigger lie than
the Saints.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Do we have a follow up on how the Drew
brees chant went Yes?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
Was it as disastrous as the Saints offense?
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I did see it last night.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I did not.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
It wasn't as confusing, but it did not go off
like he said that they were going to lift the
roof off of the Superdome. Roof is still on, by
the way. He just powered through it. He just like,
did it rapid fire? You couldn't decipher what the crowd
was saying. And then he was like, thank you. It
was pretty much a mess.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
It was random.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, it was just again, nobody knew what they were
role was one.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Two buckle my shoe?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Oh yeah, uh cheb, nick Chebb.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Let's get to our good friend Mark Dominic, former gentleal
manager of the Tampay Buccaneers, join us and the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Saint's just been decimated
by injuries and they're not that good Broncos are a
hard watch. Any takeaways of note from that game.
Speaker 9 (36:25):
Last night, Well, I think the sad part was as
much as you were rooting for Spener Rattler and what
he could possibly do or what he could possibly be
that was ruined pretty hard last night in terms of
being rattled and just the sacks and the plays just
you know, I know it took them in the fifth round.
It is what it is, but it just shows you again,
(36:48):
you got to have something that's more viable at quarterback
after your first string guy, because you've got to be
able to be competitive in games, and that game just
wasn't competitive. But I'm sure for coach Payton was a
very important game for him to win, even though he
won't admit it.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, no, no question about it. Let's get to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
I know they've had a lot of injuries as well,
but how fixable their issues?
Speaker 9 (37:13):
I think it's concerning. You know, I've always been a
Cowboy guy, as you know. You know they got to
the two rookies. Not offensive line, but to me, it's
more defensively. It's just it's and yes, Michael Parsons, you
know it's a big, big loss, but you know they've
been through, like you said, some injuries. It just doesn't
feel like the defense is fine and its groove and
and as comfortable under coach Zimmer uh than coach Quinn.
(37:37):
And they are completely different types of coaches.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (37:40):
And I think that maybe the players aren't responding quite
the way I thought they would, and so it's been,
you know, frustrating and just it does not look like
like we said. Like you said, it's just not the
same team. You know. Obviously they've got de Marcus Lawrence
and Neeland's on ir and Sam Williams never even got there,
So they've got pieces of that team drawn Blamd's not
back yet that are all missing that they eagerly need.
(38:04):
But the only thing that can fix this team right
now is what you're talking about, and that's the magic
of health.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
It's in the meantime. It's it's tough. It's it's really
really tough. Nick Sirianni kind of giving it back to
his own fans. They did win, but it's not like
they were crazy impressive. What's your sense of the Eagles
and whether or not their coach can get them on
the right track.
Speaker 9 (38:33):
Yeah, I mean I think he can. I think he
can get him on the right track. I feel like
he tried to steal something out of Dan Campbell's playbook,
even though Dan Campbell played in the National Football League
and certainly has a little more clout to him in
terms of, you know, being the tough guy. I felt
like Nick was trying to be the Joe tough guy
and doesn't have to do that, even though Philly is
a tough town. It was just here's bizarre, and obviously
(38:54):
he apologize for how he handled himself. I do think
there's still time, but it's a one year thing. Howie
Roseveen showed in the past to be quick to make
decisions of how he's safe there. I think as the
general manager, certainly, but I don't know that Nick is.
This team's got to get a turned around, right. This
is not really the NSC East is at all what
I thought it would be at this point, and so
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there's still opportunity for all these clubs to kind of
get themselves back in order. But the Commanders play the
Panthers this weekend and can move out to five and
two with a win.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
How who got who improved more? The Bills or the
Jets with their wide Bride receiver acquisition, So I think.
Speaker 9 (39:34):
The Bills did and the reason why as much as
I like Devonte Adams, and yeah, he'll hopefully be healthy
and ready to play. You know, Garrett Wilson's a legit,
no doubt in my mind. Number one, it was a
mistake I think from the previous you know, Nate Hackett,
you see Todd Downing's forcing the ball to him, and
that's what you got to do. You have to force
your ball to the best players and let them make
a play. I think the Buffalo Bill's here has been
(39:57):
very good, but I think they have an an a
Mario Cooper to be like a number one type of
guy is going to be a big difference for the
Buffalo offense as well as Josh Allen's playing rather than
Devanta Adams. Are they already having them one? This is
going to help him. They've got a crowded receiver room,
which isn't a bad thing, but that doesn't fix their
offensive line. And that's the concern I still have with
the Jets.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
The Pittsburgh Steelers appear appear to be poised to start
Russell Wilson. This despite the fact of four and two
on the year, Justin Fields has handled it pretty well.
Does it actually make them better to start Russell Wilson?
Speaker 9 (40:30):
I think it does. I think that, you know, when
you look at the Pittsburgh Steelers and how they've played
this year, certainly being born to at this point and
losing two games vary by very small margins. The difference is,
you know, Justin Field is really you know, outside of
what one or two games, he's talked for hundred something
yards every game, right one hundred and fifty hundred and
forty hundred and thirty, one hundred and ten, He's done
(40:52):
a good job of not losing the games, and they're
calling the games that way for him. I think the
offense is going to be more explosive in terms of
passing the ball, in terms of getting the ball out
to wide receivers, in terms of I think you can
see thirty two to thirty five attempts and that kind
of stuff. I just think it's going to be a
different game with Russell Wilson. So as good as you know,
JJ has again not had the turnovers, just the one interception,
(41:14):
He's taken quite a few sacks, But I think overall
this is going to be a better off now going
forward with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Mark Dominic, longtime front office better a former
general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Jeorge This weekly
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There are a couple of huge games this weekend, none
bigger than Niners versus the Chiefs. Niners obviously have struggled
some with all of their injuries, but well, brock Perty
(41:42):
was really good last week. What are your thoughts on
how they match up against the Chiefs.
Speaker 9 (41:47):
I think it's a good matchup. I know the forty
nine ers obviously are three and three, and they don't
feel like a three and three football team, but they've
they've certainly, you know, had a good game against the Seahawks.
You know, they've lost the tough winning its their zone.
I like, I have a hard time ever going against
the Chiefs because of the continuity factor. I think you're
right that, you know, brock Perty's played very well. It
(42:09):
looks like Juju Smith Schuster will be able to go.
At least that's the words from Andy Reid that he
thinks he's gonna be able to go. I just think
that San Francisco probably isn't a better position to play
at home. I just think that from a defensive standpoint,
San Francisco's probably a better spot. I know they're still
banged up a little bit on the defense side, but
I like, as much as I'm a chief believer, I
(42:31):
think this one goes to San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
This weekend, Texans come in to take on the Packers.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I watched the Packers, and you know, listen, I thought
Arizona was pretty good for a couple weeks of the season.
They were fairly non competitive last weekend, and the Texans
they had some They've had some really close games but
persevered to only have one loss.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Two really talented young quarterbacks. How good. Let's start with
the Texans. How good are they?
Speaker 9 (42:58):
Yeah, I think we'll have a better sense of them, right.
I mean, they did beat the Buffalo Bills. Other than that,
you know, they've beat the Bears, and they've beat A.
Colt's team and the Jaguars team and the Patriots team.
So it's not you know, if they don't have that
Bills win, I'm sitting there going, well, they've certainly got
the schedule figured out. I think the Packers are the
better team. I think they're more explosive across the board.
I think they have a better offensive line. I think
(43:20):
those things all come into it. You know, from a
defensive standpoint, I like the aggressiveness that we see from
Coach Hapley, the defensive coordinator at the Green Bay Packers.
He takes more risks and you know whether CJ. Stroud
and company can capitalize on that, and I don't know
if they'll be able to because I think that they're
going to try to get after Stroud pretty hard. As
long as Jylie Alexander's out there on the field, that
gives them a better chance of winning the game at
(43:41):
cornerbacks because he's such a good player when he can
be healthy and when he is healthy. But that's just
such a big piece of the puzzle as well for
the Green Bay Packers. So all that being said, I
really I lean towards the Packers in this game. I
think we'll find out exactly who the Houston Texans really
are based off of how they performance. They beat the Packers,
and Houston's got themselves and you know, the Otus got
(44:02):
a great record, But then they certainly put another notch
on their belt saying, hey, look we're not just messing
around to the the AFC South. We're going to try
to get the AFC Conference tyle team.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
I'm really interested in the Jaguars. A lot of talk
that there'll be a coaching change when they return from overseas,
but Trevor Lawrence just does not look the same. So
I'll put you back in the GMC. You're trying to
fix Trevor Lawrence because you just signed to a contract extensions.
Sound like you're gonna run him off.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Right?
Speaker 9 (44:35):
It's kind of what I talked about before, you know,
when that was around coach Dungee and working underneath him.
A lot of things he talked about is like, dude,
let's but do it better. You know That's that's kind
of the mantra that he had, like, Okay, we're not
going to get this done. We're going to at least
do this smaller part better. I don't know what to
say about Trevor Lawrence and what I mean by that is,
(44:57):
and I was very vocal with you too. I don't
think Trevor Lawn should have gotten that kind of a contract,
I don't think he's performed to that level. I think
you think you're buying what you think you're going to get.
But the reality is Trevor Lawrence is still on pace
for probably right around twenty five touchdowns. It's what he
does every year, and so I just I feel like
that's what Trevor Lawrence is and as much as you
(45:20):
can have weapons around him, and I know it's going
to be good to have Evan Anger hopefully going and
what that means, but if there's going to be a
change of coach, quite frankly, I don't think the rockters
as good as I think that Trent Balki has led
the owner to believe. And I think that's more of
the pressing part is that I just don't think when
you look at them defensively, right does what's the defensive
(45:42):
player you're scared of. Trayvon Walker's been good, Josh Allen's
been good. They've paid their players a lot of money,
but they're not getting that much money in return for
how much they're paying these players in the first place.
Even Brandon Sheriff's not looking like the player that they've
paid for. And that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
That.
Speaker 9 (45:58):
I think haunting the team got leap.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Miami's waiting on Tua.
But how do you protect yourself if you're Miami, right?
Speaker 9 (46:12):
I think the only way you see the problem you
have is that Ken Hills playing not going to pick
to Miami, but he's obviously the one quarterback you'd sit
there and go, look, that could make a lot of sense,
you know, because he's the best quarterback that's out there
on the streets. You've got to call around. I think
you call the other thirty one clubs. You look at
the rosters, the depth charts and say, hey, look, maybe
we want James Winston or maybe you want you know,
(46:36):
some other quarterback that's played in the Nation Football League,
and you're like, I can go get him from them
and see if we can get fixed in terms of
like our roster in that that position. So I think
you've got to call the other clubs, look at the
depth charts and say, who's got the best number two
slash three that can you know, like a Miles Davis
and go, hey, look, I know Houston you sign him
to an extension, but we might want to go get
(46:57):
him because he's proven to be good. He might not
be great, for it's proven to be a good guy
that you can win around. Or maybe it's Gardner Minshew,
even though I think Gardner Minshew's showing everybody what he
can be or what he is. He's just a solid quarterback.
But I think you've got to look around the thirty
one of the clubs because I don't think Tan Hills options.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
I don't think so either. I really don't as well.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
I'm interested in what you think about the Raiders and
kind of the selloff now right, it's you're getting Tom
Brady saying, Hey, I want Belichick to be the coach,
but you just hired Telesco, who he's from Napoleon family, right,
you still have Mark Davis. It's just kind of this
weird sort of thing where there's no true direction. Don't
(47:43):
get me wrong. You know, to Lescom, I'm not shy
to meet a friend and has obviously done a very
good job draft and go back to his days with
the Chargers. But how do you think that plays out
there as they appear to be packing it in for
this year.
Speaker 9 (47:57):
Yeah, I think it's bad. I think it's been very
difficult to watch them. Uh, you know, obviously with their
quarterback situation number one, I never thought they should have
started garnering Minshew. I think they should have just given
the season to Aidan O'Connell and see what he is
and know exactly what they're going to get. And now
you're getting Aidan O'Connell in there, and Jacobe Myers isn't playing,
and now your best receiver has been shopped. You know,
(48:19):
you've got a tight end that's you know, on the NFI.
So it's it's kind of hard to get a sense
of who this own quarterback is. And even he's not
good enough. What I feel is the one and done
season coming right down the road for the Las Vegas Raiders,
and that's for Antonio Pierce. I just I don't feel
hopefully confident and where they're headed as a football team
and just his uh, just the general feel for it
(48:43):
I do. I don't think it's just like, oh, it's
automatically going to be Belichick. I think Tom Telesto could
be in trouble too. I mean, Tom's a good friend
of mine too. I've done for so long, you know,
great opportunity for him to actually go from one team
to the other, and you know, if you look at
the Raiders draft class this year, I'd sit there and say,
you know, obviously brought Powers then exactly what I think
we all thought it would be. J Glides has coming
(49:05):
there and I think played well at right tackle. Right now,
I'm saying with Jackson Powers, Johnson's been good. So I
mean your first three picks are actually playing well. So
I think he got to take down into account. I
don't know if it's a one and done for Tom.
I do think Belichick would got in there. But you're
gonna you know, it's a different animal, Like you said,
Napoleon family versus the Belichick family, two different worlds. You
got to just be prepared to live in it, and
you've got to be prepared to give up some of
(49:25):
your probably your juice in the draft room, or maybe
juice and free agency to Belichick if you want to
keep that job.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Mark Dominic spent over twenty years in the NFL, and
of course he was a scouting guy, front office guy,
and most notably the gentle manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
And he gives you what you really should know about
what's really happening inside the nation football legue.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Mark you're the best. Have a wonderful weekend. We'll talk soon.
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