October 23, 2024 • 37 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Lakers' opening game Tuesday night and the moment when Lebron James and son Bronny checked into the game and played together for a couple of minutes, Doug does not want to hear that that arrangement was not a circus.
Doug welcomes NFL Analyst Daniel Jeremiah onto the show to talk about the Chargers, DeAndre Hopkins and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You guys? Good? Yeah, Yeah, We're closer and closer, closer
and closer to the World Series, getting there, getting there,
in there. But we got a lot to get to
before we actually do, in fact get there. I mean,
that's the the other part about this thing. But we're
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getting excited as we should. Jay Stu is here, Dan
Byers here, Big Apple Sam is here. He's getting ready
for his his Yankee moment. And I do think we
know what the story of the day is right. No,
it's not the Boston Celtics defending NBA champion, just absolutely eviscerating,
(01:28):
eviscerating the New York Knicks. No, it's Lebron James and
Bronnie and their moment. Bronnie James played two minutes with
his dad last night, first ever father and son to
play in the NBA at the same time on the
same floor. Here's Lebron talking about his and Bronnie's entrance
in the game and how it played out.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
We still had a job to do when we checked in.
We wasn't trying to make it a circus. We wasn't
trying to make it about us. We wanted to make
it about the team, man. You know, for us to
go out there and continue to play the game, the
Brandon basketball and that the culture staff and our teammates
wanted us to play.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
We kept that.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
We kept them and the main thing while we was
on the floor, and that was good for all of us.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
We kept the main thing, the main thing when we
were on the floor. And I guess a good portion
of it, Okay, I guess a good portion of it
is that Lebron just doesn't see outside of himself because
it was a circus. It had nothing to do with winning.
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It was two minutes and Bronni was a minus seven.
He played two minutes and they were seven points worse
than the Minnesota Timberwolves, who they led by fifteen most
of the game. It was absolutely positively about them, not
about the team. But I guess this is the power
of being a star. This is the power of controlling
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the narrative. We see this in politics of the politicians
you see every night, there's definitely one who will say
things that are category false. But if everything, if everything
is false, then it's like you get tired of pointing
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it out and you're like, well they're doing this, like
actually that's You're No, that's actually you, that's lebron is
mimicking that. He said, we didn't. We want to keep
the main thing, the main thing. This ain't the main thing.
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Forget about the fact that however you want to, however
you want to rank him, Okay, whether he's the fifteenth
best player on the fifteen man roster, which is a reality,
or the thirteenth. You don't play the thirteenth man on
an NBA roster in game one ever. Ever, that has
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nothing to do with winning. It was absolutely a circus.
Then look, it's it's a cool thing. I don't think
anyone anyone would deny it's a cool thing. There's lots
of us are sitting there going like, man, I think
this is weird. I think this is not about winning.
I think this is about Lebron, not about But none
of us are saying that the father and son. You know,
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in and of itself, it's a cool thing. But you're
going to try and convince me. You're gonna try and
convince me that it's it's about the team, not about Lebron,
not about Bronnie. And again, in truth, in truth, it's
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about Lebron, it's not about Bronnie. Yes, Bronnie wants to
play in the NBA. Yes, Bronnie has put in time,
so have all those other guys. Right, So telling us
that it's about the team and the main thing when
you're taking pictures with the Griffies beforehand, when it only
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last two minutes, like if he was an NBA player
and he was valuable, he would have played more than
two minutes. Who plays two minutes in the middle of
the second quarter, And and by the way, again it's
not what you say, it's what you do. Kudos to
JJ Reddick for getting him in, getting it done and
getting him out and not affecting the ultimate outcome of
the game. But we're kidding ourselves if we think that
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it was about the main thing. Unless the main thing
is talking about how great Lebron is. There's just no
world in which this is about winning, or about basketball
or in any way normal or acceptable for a team
that wants to compete for a championship. In the second quarter, right,
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they treated Brownie like he's a make a wish kid, right,
Like he's substantially smaller than his dad. He doesn't really
have a position, he doesn't really have the skill base.
And he can jump, but he's not a great lateral athlete.
He's not a great passer, there is no and he's
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not a great shooter. If he was, go and look
at all of his stats, all the data from EUIBL
to playing in high school to playing at USC, he's
not Can he play defense? Sure? Does he have a
great field? Not really? And again I understand that it
is a cool thing to play with your son. I
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just me playing pickup basketball with my son is fantastic.
I love it. But that doesn't mean its your occur
in the NBA. Hey, that doesn't miniature occur in college.
Tom Izzo's kid played for him for four years at
Michigan State. He was a walk on. He only got
in at the very very end of a couple of games.
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So here, by the way, here's Brownie James after the game.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Try to focus on going in as a rookie and
not trying to mess up.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
But yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Totally did shield the energy, and yeah, I appreciate the
Laker nation for you know, so on that support from
me and my dad.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Here's Lebron talking about checking into that game.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
The game within the game.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Obviously, that moment that's being at discord table together and
checking in together something I would never forget, no matter
how I get, no matter how my memory may fade
as I get old or whatever, I would never forget
that moment.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, no, it's a great moment. Just don't tell us
it's not a circus for It's about winning basketball games.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
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Speaker 1 (07:42):
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let's welcome in Danie Jeremiah. He's an NFL analyst. He's
a host to Move the Six podcasts. He's also the
color voice for the La Chargers radio network. Let's start
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with the Chargers. What's wrong with their offense? I mean,
other than I guess injuries.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Well, they just they can't uncover down in the in
the scoring area, you know, not just the red zone,
it's outside the red zone. They've got to find a
way to win one on one.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
You know.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
They threw for a ton of yards the other night,
moved up and down the field, but then you know,
as the field condenses, that's where the individual talent, you know,
becomes more important. Just being able to win one on one,
whether that's with your size, your quickness, your route running,
what have you just haven't been able to separate down there.
So you know, that's that's a little bit of the
challenge where they are right now. When you look at
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their wins they've rushed for you know, gosh, I think
over like one hundred and sixty yards and those three
wins and then the three losses, it's been under sixty
five yards. So they've got to find a way to
win when they don't have a dominant run game.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And you know, obviously you have all those injuries to
some running backs, but the running backs were guys that
had been injured previously. Okay, let's let's kind of pop
around a little bit. What do you do now if
you're Tampa. I mean, you lose Chris Godwin, I don't
know what you know when he returns, obviously talking not
this year, and then you know, Mike Evans is out
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with that hamstring. I know they've been a you know,
challenging and being you know, challenge in the first place
in the NFC South, and you know, you get to
of those teams at stink. But what can you do
when you lose essentially your entire offense outside of Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Well, the good news is you've got some time to
try and sort through it and figure it out. I
don't think the division is gonna, you know, by any means,
run away from them. So they've got a little time
to try and you know, change how they do things,
get some new guys opportunities in there. They've got McMillan,
the rookie out of Washington, who's who's a good young player.
It'll be an opportunity for him. Uh see if he
can handle that increased and you know, see if they
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can't get some type of a running game going. But
you know, it's it's it's interesting, like this happens in
another division and you'd be sitting there going like, oh gosh,
like do we pivot, you know, do we look at
maybe even trying to potentially, you know, look towards next
year and maybe we trade some people. And well, you're
in the NFC South. That is not the case. You are.
You are in it even as you try and figure
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this stuff out.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Steve gott Leave show here on Fox Sports Radio, coming
to you from the tairaq dot com studios. How big
a buyer are you into Lamar Jackson with this group
as opposed to previous groups once you get to the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
I think it'll be better. I think this is the
best group he's had around him. You're starting to see
just the depth and the variety of players they have.
I think he's actually had a better offensive line in
the past and some of those early years. This is
a good offensive line, but just Derrick Henry. We've seen
Derrick Henry, you know, lead a team to playoff win
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by himself. So just having that to lean on to
go along with you know, Jay Flowers emergence and the
tight ends that they have. Yeah, I think this is
the you know, this is the best group that he's had.
And there's still going to be some moments in the
playoffs where he's going to have to stand in there
and make throws when everybody in the stadium knows you're
throwing the ball. I have to wait and see. But
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I would say my confidence level has definitely increased that
this could be different than what's in the past.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Russell Wilson, What'll be your impressions that for one week?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I thought he was good.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I thought he was fine. You know, you know, to me,
it's just having somebody that can cash the checks that
are there, and he was able to do that when
they you know, he gave guys chances to make plays.
I think Fields in some ways just was a little
bit too conservative and cautious, and I think that comes
with not having had a ton of success and having
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a lot of criticism that you're not going to put
the ball on Jeopardy, and I think Russell Wilson just
played with more confidence and gave his guys chances to
make plays down the field, and just he seemed like
he was in a little bit more command than Justin
Fields was, so I applauded it when they made the move.
I go back to what coaches always say, Doug, you're
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in that fraternity now where you know you preach process
and not results, and a lot of times people do
that after you lose games and they they justified. I say, well,
you know, we didn't get to win, but the process
was right. Well, you got to flip it to the
other side when when you're winning, you have to still
look at the process. And I thought Mike Tomon looked
at that and said this is this is not good
enough and we got to get this other guy a shot,
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and he did.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Fair enough. I don't think. I don't think their quarterback
for next year is on their roster. That's my firstal think.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
I think they're going to be hunting. I definitely think
they're going to be hunting. But I mean, I'm just
getting into the draft stuff now. I've been watching some
defensive guys today. But what I've seen a little bit
that I've seen of the quarterback class. This isn't last
year when we saw six of those guys go in
the top fifteen. So you know, it's it's one of
those things where there's gonna be some teams and some
fan bases are going to make that comment Doug about hey,
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our guys okay for now, but he won't be our
starter next year, And I'm like, well, I don't know
where these starters are coming from. Is not going to
be a great draft in that regards.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
No, I think I think that the new thing is
going to be the recycled guys. You know, maybe maybe
not Sam Donald, but I mean, like, look at some
of the recycled guys, the Bakers of the world. You know,
Gino's had been solid up obviously, he's several times over recycled.
I think there's there's you get some experience, but you
don't pay top of the market for it. It's like
buying a used car, right, That's that's really what it's like.
(13:41):
Getting it, sorry, certified pre owned, but no, these aren't.
Actually these aren't. These aren't certified. A lot of those
guys are not. They're not certified because the other team
didn't want them. They're more used car more off auction.
You know, I'm really getting know what you got? Okay,
this one. I went to the Packers Texans game. So
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what happened is?
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Has c J.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Stroud played that poorly all season long? Was it because
the Packers put a lot of pressure and they struggled
to put pressure all year long. I'm just wondering about
c J. Stroud in year two? What you see on tape?
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Yeah, I mean he's that was one I would say,
he said another game I don't recall which one it
was that was like similar to this, the offensive line
not playing as well, and he definitely got heated up
and pressured. You know, he didn't Yeah, he didn't. He
didn't have his he didn't have his his best game.
I still believe in him and his talent and and
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the way he throws the ball and and the way
he sees the field. I just think he got really
sped up in this game. And I didn't think, you know,
it was kind of surprise. And I give look, you know,
give Green Bay credit. Now only did they rush well,
they covered well. There wasn't a ton of separation out
there either. So you know, it's just a bad, bad
day for the for the Texans. And I would also,
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you know, give Halfway and that defense in Green Bay
their credit. They are fast and they played really well.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Did Jordan Love had a couple of interceptions as well.
You know, people in these parts comparing him to Brett Favre,
Why the high number leading the league in interceptions?
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Why the high number just unnecessary? You know, some of
it's just unnecessary. He's he's well on the whole. Yeah, yeah,
I just you know, you know, there's times and there's
times to take your shots and be aggressive, and there's
other times. I don't think it's that he's not seeing things.
There's a difference between not seeing it and forcing it.
I just think there's you know, he's trying a little
(15:36):
bit too hard to make every single play. He needs
to dial that back a little bit. But as uh,
you know, as an old scout friend of mine used
to say, when we're evaluating players, I'd rather rain in
a thoroughbred than have to kick a donkey in the
butt to get him going. So he's, uh, you can
you can fix his problems.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, that reminds me of my coach setting my coach
at Oklahoma State, and he would he would always say
he ain't never seen a jackass. When the when when
the Kentucky Derby Andchi get you get yourself. Some Thoroughbreds,
brother gets yourself. Some Thoroughbreds do.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Bad.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Fantastic.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Its Doug Ottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. It
feels like the breakup of the Rams. You think they
move Stafford.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
I think that there's a strong case for them too.
It's just a matter if they can find the fit.
I don't buy the Minnesota thing. That didn't really make
sense to me, the way that Sam's played, you know.
I know obviously you have a familiarity with the offense
there with Kevin, but that that one didn't make a
ton of sense to me. So yeah, would they be
open to it? I would imagine this is kind of
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that time where they should be looking to the next
wave and the next iteration of this team. It's I
don't think that involves Matthew Stafford, but you know, do
you have more options with that in the off season
than you do now? I would think.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
So what about the Niners? I mean that just the injuries,
are you steal out? You know, we haven't seen McCaffrey did.
They just continue to add up. Where is the point
of no return where they're just going to be too
banged up to live up to their billing.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
I think we're getting close, you know, like this is uh,
this is definitely cost for concern because that's kind of
what makes that thing go, what those guys can do
with the ball in their hands and run after catch,
you know or not. I looked up the play action
numbers with them. It wasn't as drastic. I thought it
was way less this year. It's about three percent less
play action than they've used in the past, which has
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been you know, a way they've been able to scheme
guys up and get guys in the free and clear
and let them run with the ball in their hands.
So when you watch them, it feels like, man, it's
just a lot of pure drop back and they don't
have a lot of guys that are that are going
to be able to win with who they have out
there right now. But I guess that was a little
overstated when I really dug into the numbers. But yeah,
it's they've lost a lot of dudes. Man in McCaffrey,
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he's definitely you know, he's the guy that you start
with when you're the team that plays them if they're
fully healthy. Even with all those guys, that's the one
that's in the defensive meeting you're spending your time on
because it can be over quick with him.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, No, it's amazing. And how sometimes there's just a
team that just doesn't have it because of injuries. Okay,
on the other side, you got the team that just
beat them, they had DeAndre Hopkins. How does that fit work?
I know we think it's like fantasy football, right, you
take a guy who's been an All Pro, been a
Pro Bowler, but he's not a practice guy, right, I
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mean famously doesn't really practice. He's not who he used
to be and it's not like he's played in this
system before. And part of the whole Mahomes thing is
these guys that have played with him just like know him.
What are your thoughts on how well that works? Well?
Speaker 6 (18:47):
I never put anything past the Chiefs and Andy Reid
being able to put guys in positions, but it kind
of felt like when I watched him this morning, I
went through all of his targets and if you just
didn't have a name on him and just we're watching
the China player. There's nothing that stands out. There's no quickness,
there's no vertical speed, there's no separation. He's not super
(19:07):
super physical as you would think so, but you know,
I don't know that Kelsey can really run anymore either.
And he's got really really good feel of working in
zones and and he's real instinctive and and he does
a really good job of putting him in a position
to make plays. And that's kind of what you're getting
the receiver version of that right now. But man, it's
this is not the high flying Chiefs. You know, they're
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winning games because they're a defensive team, and I don't
think Adam DeAndre Hopkins is going to change that at all.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
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(20:17):
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This is technically the middle of the show because we
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Just download the Doug Outlib Show podcast wherever you listen
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It's also the middle of the day. So we come
up with topics kind of all encompassing. Sometimes they don't
have to do with sports. Because jayse douwho sometimes doesn't
(20:40):
like sports because his Dodgers, you know, usually let them
down this time of year, or so do our Chargers today.
They feels like it'll be sports. Let's get to the midway.
It's not getting the middle in here, It's time for
the middle the midway. What do you got there, kiddo?
(21:04):
What do we agree to on the midway there? Jase?
Do I believe we agreed to It was like Fernando Mania,
but the Fernando other other manias that we remember.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
So this is what the process was.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
I thought maybe because of Fernando passing away, we could
talk about like other sports phenomenons that kind of are
similar to Fernando Mania. I also asked how or how
about other underwhelming pairs like last night, every I think
everyone agrees we were underwhelmed by Lebron and Browny, Like
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what other hyped duos have fell flat? And then Dan
chimed in, I think with the with the topic that
we should do what are the best matchups we could
get in each league, pro and college on the heels
of the Yankees Dodgers, what are the what's the best
match I like that we could choose. I like that.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Hey, by the way, what was Dan's golden thing he
said yesterday at the end of the show, where I
was like, I think that might be the best point
you've made. And sorry, I've been like coaching, arranging, travel,
watching stuff, getting ready for the show. What was it? Dan?
Speaker 8 (22:14):
It was actually Jason's point about Lebron James and I
asked for clarification on everybody that everybody on Twitter would
think that this is such a golden and precious moment
is that what would drive him crazy? And then everybody
ends up making it about them and trying to get
their own juice off of this moment that was completely contrived.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
My favorite one was Rachel Nichols posted a video of
Lebron throwing a three foot chess pass to her son
to his son, and her saying the first pass in
the history of the NBA between a son and a father.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
Hi, I'll tell you a topper that I saw yesterday
on this I cannot believe that somebody actually put this
on a bottom line scroll. It said with a bucket
or with a point, Lebron James and Bronnie James would
pass Joe and Kobe Bryant as the highest scoring father
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son duo in NBA history.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Like, what were you watching the onion? I know it, seriously.
Speaker 8 (23:21):
It was somewhere and I don't know if it was ESPN,
but that does feel like a very ESPN sort of thing,
where like Bronny just needed to score a point and
they would pass the Bryants as.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
The Sam's even laughing, and usually Sam would be like,
I don't want to touch that.
Speaker 9 (23:41):
I don't want to, but I'm surd it is.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
It's bag dad Bob thinks that the love affair with
the Lebron Browne stories a little much. Guys, remember Bagdad Bob.
Remember baddad Bob. I don't know it was from the
first Persian golf was the first or second Persian golf war?
There Jase Due, I think the first. He was basically
(24:05):
like the secretary of communication for Iraq, and I mean
there's some similarities now. Literally everything he said was a lie.
Like everything he was like, we will reign triumphant. We
are running the Americans out of Iraq, Like yeah, they're
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like right across the street. They killed everybody that was
back Dad Bob so bad.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
It's a deep pole man, it's a deep all right.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Should we do these matchups?
Speaker 9 (24:42):
I was thinking of this one.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
I'd hate to preempt any of you guys, but there's
a there's a bear with me. There's a reason in here.
I think that the Celtics and Lakers are an ideal
matchup for the NBA. And I'll tell you why, because
you're probably thinking, you know, that's a really lazy answer. No,
let me tell you what, because it would be like
the fourth iteration. If you think about it. Celtics and
(25:07):
Lakers in the sixties when the Celtics beat the Lakers,
but every year was one, the Celtics Lakers in the eighties,
and then the Celtics Lakers with Kobe. This would be
like the fourth entity, the Lebron years, Celtics Lakers. I
think there will be a lot of hype. I think
the NBA would appreciate it. So that's kind of my
(25:28):
my contribution. Does that make sense, a fourth iteration of
the Lakers Celtics?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
It makes sense to me.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, yes, I don't think that's the best matchup.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
I don't know if I'm going to be in the
middle of you guys, but it makes a lot of
sense to me because I didn't think until Jason explained
it his way that it would be Lakers and Celtics.
So I'm curious to hear what Doug's thought would be
for the NBA.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Well, listen, in the West, I do think the Lakers
are the only ones that really makes sense. It's the
only one that people pay attention to. Maybe Steph Curry
would be the other one if it was the Golden
State Warriors, but that one seems it just seems hard,
far fetched to think they could even get there. Yeah,
I think the Knicks are the ones that give the
best energy. And I know we're talking about Yankees or whatever.
(26:14):
I just I truly think that the Knicks are the
ones that will that would be the best matchup. Lakers
Knicks would be really cool. I don't know if there's
anybody else in the West, but because there's such energy
in New York City, in Madison Square Garden that I
can't see anything else in the NBA matching up to that.
(26:36):
I look, Lakers Celtics is easy. They have the you
know what combined what is it, thirty five NBA titles,
so I do get it. I would just say the
Knicks only in that I don't know, there's there's some
Celtics fatigue there. There's some Celtics fatigue that's really goods end.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Yeah, I was gonna say that as well, Doug. I
my pick would have been Knicks Lakers. I think Jason's
had a very compelling argument on why they could be
Celtics Lakers, but I think I think Nicks Lakers on
the same lines of that. For the NFL, do you
guys think Cowboys Chiefs super Bowl would be the maximum
Cowboys in the NFC. Obviously, the Chiefs and their success
(27:17):
in the AFC.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You know, I've thought a lot about this. I always
thought that Brady and the Patriots versus the Cowboys or
the Packers were the ones. I actually I mean, like,
the Steelers are still bigger than the Chiefs are, and
I do think there's Chiefs fatigue. I don't think the
(27:41):
Ravens do it, even though everybody likes Lamar Jackson. I
don't know if I haven't. I mean, the Bills. The
problem is that they're you know, they're in Buffalo, but
that would because the Bills in our lifetime got the
four straight Super Bowls. I still think the Steelers are
the answer. It's still Steelers cowboy. I don't know we're talking,
(28:05):
you're you're you're doing the reality thing you're doing. The
Steelers are so far away from being a super Bowl
team that just can't. I'm just saying in terms of
matchup of the two franchises.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
Like there was a time when you mentioned the Bills
that we wanted that Niners Bill super Bowl. In fact,
Berman would pick it every single year and we never
got it. We never got a Niners Bill Super Bowl,
and so I think that there's things that change and
things that move. And I understand the Steelers aspect of it.
But right now, if Cowboys chiefs Iowa, Sam, can.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
We go back to the NBA just for a seconds?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Right?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (28:43):
What about Calves Lakers?
Speaker 4 (28:45):
No? Why not?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
No one cares about the Cavs.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
But I mean, I can't believe you interrupted our NFL.
Speaker 10 (28:52):
Ron grew up in part in Cleveland and a little
Ronnie La Yeah, and then yeah, he didn't he.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I will get closer to the court in Cleveland, the
Lakers NBA Finals than Brownie James.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
I'm not saying he's gonna play. There's a storylines there
because of the of the.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
There's lots of storylines. You can make up a good
point about storylines.
Speaker 10 (29:12):
Yeah, the connection to the state of Ohio. And then
you got the lady.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Of the La Bronni and Ellis Celtics again, you're you're
you're counteracting the Celtics versus the Lakers.
Speaker 9 (29:22):
I'm just saying that's.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
That I believe the Knicks. I've always said this that
I think whoever wins the title for the Knicks it
will be a bigger hero than any New York achey. Uh,
it's a baseball town because baseball they've won twenty seven titles.
But the the Boston Red Sox slash Chicago White Sox
slash Chicago Cubs of the NBA are the New York Knicks,
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and if they can get to an NBA finals, and
I know they were in one when during the oj chase,
but that was also during the kind of that was
the non Jordan year or year and a half of
the of the NBA. I think it's the Knicks or
the cher but I'm I obviously think lak Er Celtics
is the other one. Okay, baseball, we have that college football,
(30:09):
college football, my answer is different than your call.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeers, Doug's going with Army Navy. I know he is.
Speaker 9 (30:18):
Both teams are great this year.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Undefeated teams are undefeated at their level, They're very good.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
And they're both ranked.
Speaker 8 (30:25):
I am completely biased that I would put Ohio State
in there.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Okay, so who would Ohio State play? Who's the dream
match of Ohio State?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I think Ohio State.
Speaker 8 (30:36):
Today, Texas, Yeah, give me Texas, Ohio State and Lexis.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
What do you think Jase dou I'll let you guys
geek out about this one because I was thinking, as
kind of a casual college football fan, what game would
really stimulate me?
Speaker 9 (30:53):
And I'm thinking it seems like they do a decent
job of giving him.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, we do, we have them, but I mean Texas
being by Texas is still Texas. I would say either
Texas versus Ohio State or an Alabama or a Georgia
versus USC. And again, I know we've had it, but
I'm talking of USC. Was ever back. You've got to
get the west coast interested in Oregon just doesn't move
(31:19):
it move in the other way USC does.
Speaker 9 (31:21):
Yeah, what about Notre Dame Miami, It'll be good. That'd
be a good one.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
It'd be great, kind of.
Speaker 9 (31:28):
Reviving a lot of you know.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
History, and they both may both play in the you know.
Speaker 10 (31:37):
Yeah, No, I think they're both definitely in the mix.
For I mean, Miami have hasn't lost yet. We've expected
them to lose or we thought they would lose, and
they haven't. But I think that they will be a
playoff team. And Notre Dame looks like they've righted the
wrongs of that head scratching win to northern Illinois.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
It's funny how quickly we get sick of Alabama and Clemson,
and I think that Georgia may start to be come,
you know, going on that that sort of level. But
it also is of there's something about those schools of Georgia, Alabama,
and Clemson being close to each other, being in the
southeast part of the country that it doesn't span it.
(32:15):
It's not wide ranging. We just don't like the SEC,
so maybe we'll cheer against the SEC. So there's something
with that. But I would also say that Michigan Washington
last year did not get the hype that a non
SEC that we would have helped from a non SEC
school participating.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
In Washington is never going to get the hype.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Yeah, it's not going to happen if it was, if
it was Texas, I think it would have been a bigger,
bigger deal.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
But yes, I agree.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah, college what about college hoops?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I we had do North Carolina in the in the
final four in the semifinals coach K's last game, Like, that's.
Speaker 8 (32:58):
Crazy, I said, I thought Duke Kentucky. Yeah, and now
it's but it's like reverse, Like, well, Duke's the villain
now too much blue, too much blue.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, who of course was part of the national championship team.
But I don't think Kentucky is as hated. There's it's
a hard one. I definitely think it's Duke, especially this
year with with Cooper Flag. I mean, Duke Yukon be great, Yeah, Ducon.
(33:37):
But but anytime you have those matchups, which historically you
can go and flashback to, right Arizona when they won
their national championship beat Kentucky, that would be a good one.
Duke and Yukon, of course they played for a national championship,
that would be a good one.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
I would take I'll tell you what, I would take
Duke Gonzaga, Duke or Kentucky Gonzaga before I.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Would take Yukon Gonzaga. Like in terms of.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
I don't know, I just I feel like Gonzaga still
has that, yeah, a little magical dust they still have.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
They're still like, for some reason, they're still vis this
Cinderella R. They've had like, yeah, one and done number
one overall picks they've they've had they, you name it,
they've had it, but they still do have the h
It's like that, it's like the grown up that still
doesn't shave right, Like they're still cute. It's twenty six, Like, yeah,
(34:37):
but he's he's got peach.
Speaker 11 (34:38):
Fuzz Sam, do you want to did you yeah, the
Kentucky or Syracuse or Duke, but you say always got
eleven championship championships.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
Kentucky's got eight, so there would be that backdrop. And
as I'm researching those two facts, I came up with
a nugget. I didn't know this was the case.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Do you know.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Yukon is the only school among those those schools with
like over five national championships that has never lost a
championship game?
Speaker 4 (35:12):
How crazy is that? Cash in when it means the most.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
That's really crazy. It's an unbelievable program. I mean, I
don't know if you guys know this. So they recruited
me out of high school and my but my mom
grew up in the state of Connecticut. You're up in
Bridgeport and went to Syracuse, and I mean she basically
made it out like it was a junior college. You know,
like you're not going to go to stores like, well
they're really good, Mom, Like yeah, that campus, like it's
(35:40):
actually really nice, beautiful campus. But and you know, you
go from there to for a long time, they could
never win. They were in that Elite eight game I
think a couple of times, and then they they have
what is.
Speaker 9 (35:54):
It six titles now, yes, six, and you're.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Talking about in twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
We can remember all of them as well.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
I know.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
That's the crazy part.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
That's the crazy part, Sam.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Do you want to interrupt this with a meaningless NBA matchup.
Speaker 10 (36:09):
Charlotte Hornet's taking on Portland Trailblazers. That would really move
a needle.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
It does make a point though, that that this is true,
like we're not trying to hurt your team's feelings, okay,
but like New Orleans you don't matter, Tampa you don't matter,
Carolina you don't matter, Chargers don't matter, Rams matter a
little bit. Niners obviously matter. Historically, Raiders would be if
the Raiders ever got there, it would be insane. Oh yeah,
(36:38):
if the Raiders. I was there last Raiders Super Bowl
it was in San Diego. It was embarrassing. Was against Tampa,
but Raiders against Cowboys. Raiders against Packers. Yeah, Raiders Packers.
You get all the NFL films, music and all the
throwback stuff. That wouldn't be bad or Raiders chiefs even
well about ABC, Sorry my bad, that's.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
All right, but we can't.
Speaker 8 (36:59):
We've never had a Cowboys Raiders super Bowl, right, so.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
There would be a newness.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Okay, you know, and you know how people hop on,
Like right now we're dealing with You're like, will the
Raiders stak Okay, I'm not talking about whether or not
their team is good. I'm talking about if they get
to a super Bowl. It would be insane because you have,
as I've stated before, not every Raider fan is a gangster,
but there's not a gangster in the world that's not
(37:25):
a Raider fan. Right, They're all going to come out
of the come out. Well, they'd come out of weekend
furlough and go to Super Bowls. It would be amazing.
Teasing teasing the Raiders. It's too easy. It's too easy.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
That's very cruel of you, Doug, especially this year when
they stink so bad.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Well, that's accurate, and that is a midway
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You guys? Good? Yeah, Yeah, We're closer and closer, closer
and closer to the World Series, getting there, getting there,
in there. But we got a lot to get to
before we actually do, in fact get there. I mean,
that's the the other part about this thing. But we're
(01:07):
getting excited as we should. Jay Stu is here, Dan
Byers here, Big Apple Sam is here. He's getting ready
for his his Yankee moment. And I do think we
know what the story of the day is right. No,
it's not the Boston Celtics defending NBA champion, just absolutely eviscerating,
(01:28):
eviscerating the New York Knicks. No, it's Lebron James and
Bronnie and their moment. Bronnie James played two minutes with
his dad last night, first ever father and son to
play in the NBA at the same time on the
same floor. Here's Lebron talking about his and Bronnie's entrance
in the game and how it played out.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
We still had a job to do when we checked in.
We wasn't trying to make it a circus. We wasn't
trying to make it about us. We wanted to make
it about the team, man. You know, for us to
go out there and continue to play the game, the
Brandon basketball and that the culture staff and our teammates
wanted us to play.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
We kept that.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
We kept them and the main thing while we was
on the floor, and that was good for all of us.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
We kept the main thing, the main thing when we
were on the floor. And I guess a good portion
of it, Okay, I guess a good portion of it
is that Lebron just doesn't see outside of himself because
it was a circus. It had nothing to do with winning.
(02:27):
It was two minutes and Bronni was a minus seven.
He played two minutes and they were seven points worse
than the Minnesota Timberwolves, who they led by fifteen most
of the game. It was absolutely positively about them, not
about the team. But I guess this is the power
of being a star. This is the power of controlling
(02:48):
the narrative. We see this in politics of the politicians
you see every night, there's definitely one who will say
things that are category false. But if everything, if everything
is false, then it's like you get tired of pointing
(03:08):
it out and you're like, well they're doing this, like
actually that's You're No, that's actually you, that's lebron is
mimicking that. He said, we didn't. We want to keep
the main thing, the main thing. This ain't the main thing.
(03:33):
Forget about the fact that however you want to, however
you want to rank him, Okay, whether he's the fifteenth
best player on the fifteen man roster, which is a reality,
or the thirteenth. You don't play the thirteenth man on
an NBA roster in game one ever. Ever, that has
(03:56):
nothing to do with winning. It was absolutely a circus.
Then look, it's it's a cool thing. I don't think
anyone anyone would deny it's a cool thing. There's lots
of us are sitting there going like, man, I think
this is weird. I think this is not about winning.
I think this is about Lebron, not about But none
of us are saying that the father and son. You know,
(04:17):
in and of itself, it's a cool thing. But you're
going to try and convince me. You're gonna try and
convince me that it's it's about the team, not about Lebron,
not about Bronnie. And again, in truth, in truth, it's
(04:42):
about Lebron, it's not about Bronnie. Yes, Bronnie wants to
play in the NBA. Yes, Bronnie has put in time,
so have all those other guys. Right, So telling us
that it's about the team and the main thing when
you're taking pictures with the Griffies beforehand, when it only
(05:04):
last two minutes, like if he was an NBA player
and he was valuable, he would have played more than
two minutes. Who plays two minutes in the middle of
the second quarter, And and by the way, again it's
not what you say, it's what you do. Kudos to
JJ Reddick for getting him in, getting it done and
getting him out and not affecting the ultimate outcome of
the game. But we're kidding ourselves if we think that
(05:26):
it was about the main thing. Unless the main thing
is talking about how great Lebron is. There's just no
world in which this is about winning, or about basketball
or in any way normal or acceptable for a team
that wants to compete for a championship. In the second quarter, right,
(05:48):
they treated Brownie like he's a make a wish kid, right,
Like he's substantially smaller than his dad. He doesn't really
have a position, he doesn't really have the skill base.
And he can jump, but he's not a great lateral athlete.
He's not a great passer, there is no and he's
(06:08):
not a great shooter. If he was, go and look
at all of his stats, all the data from EUIBL
to playing in high school to playing at USC, he's
not Can he play defense? Sure? Does he have a
great field? Not really? And again I understand that it
is a cool thing to play with your son. I
(06:29):
just me playing pickup basketball with my son is fantastic.
I love it. But that doesn't mean its your occur
in the NBA. Hey, that doesn't miniature occur in college.
Tom Izzo's kid played for him for four years at
Michigan State. He was a walk on. He only got
in at the very very end of a couple of games.
(06:54):
So here, by the way, here's Brownie James after the game.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Try to focus on going in as a rookie and
not trying to mess up.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
But yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Totally did shield the energy, and yeah, I appreciate the
Laker nation for you know, so on that support from
me and my dad.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Here's Lebron talking about checking into that game.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
The game within the game.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Obviously, that moment that's being at discord table together and
checking in together something I would never forget, no matter
how I get, no matter how my memory may fade
as I get old or whatever, I would never forget
that moment.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, no, it's a great moment. Just don't tell us
it's not a circus for It's about winning basketball games.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
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Speaker 1 (07:42):
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let's welcome in Danie Jeremiah. He's an NFL analyst. He's
a host to Move the Six podcasts. He's also the
color voice for the La Chargers radio network. Let's start
(08:08):
with the Chargers. What's wrong with their offense? I mean,
other than I guess injuries.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Well, they just they can't uncover down in the in
the scoring area, you know, not just the red zone,
it's outside the red zone. They've got to find a
way to win one on one.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
You know.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
They threw for a ton of yards the other night,
moved up and down the field, but then you know,
as the field condenses, that's where the individual talent, you know,
becomes more important. Just being able to win one on one,
whether that's with your size, your quickness, your route running,
what have you just haven't been able to separate down there.
So you know, that's that's a little bit of the
challenge where they are right now. When you look at
(08:47):
their wins they've rushed for you know, gosh, I think
over like one hundred and sixty yards and those three
wins and then the three losses, it's been under sixty
five yards. So they've got to find a way to
win when they don't have a dominant run game.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And you know, obviously you have all those injuries to
some running backs, but the running backs were guys that
had been injured previously. Okay, let's let's kind of pop
around a little bit. What do you do now if
you're Tampa. I mean, you lose Chris Godwin, I don't
know what you know when he returns, obviously talking not
this year, and then you know, Mike Evans is out
(09:24):
with that hamstring. I know they've been a you know,
challenging and being you know, challenge in the first place
in the NFC South, and you know, you get to
of those teams at stink. But what can you do
when you lose essentially your entire offense outside of Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Well, the good news is you've got some time to
try and sort through it and figure it out. I
don't think the division is gonna, you know, by any means,
run away from them. So they've got a little time
to try and you know, change how they do things,
get some new guys opportunities in there. They've got McMillan,
the rookie out of Washington, who's who's a good young player.
It'll be an opportunity for him. Uh see if he
can handle that increased and you know, see if they
(10:01):
can't get some type of a running game going. But
you know, it's it's it's interesting, like this happens in
another division and you'd be sitting there going like, oh gosh,
like do we pivot, you know, do we look at
maybe even trying to potentially, you know, look towards next
year and maybe we trade some people. And well, you're
in the NFC South. That is not the case. You are.
You are in it even as you try and figure
(10:23):
this stuff out.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Steve gott Leave show here on Fox Sports Radio, coming
to you from the tairaq dot com studios. How big
a buyer are you into Lamar Jackson with this group
as opposed to previous groups once you get to the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
I think it'll be better. I think this is the
best group he's had around him. You're starting to see
just the depth and the variety of players they have.
I think he's actually had a better offensive line in
the past and some of those early years. This is
a good offensive line, but just Derrick Henry. We've seen
Derrick Henry, you know, lead a team to playoff win
(11:00):
by himself. So just having that to lean on to
go along with you know, Jay Flowers emergence and the
tight ends that they have. Yeah, I think this is
the you know, this is the best group that he's had.
And there's still going to be some moments in the
playoffs where he's going to have to stand in there
and make throws when everybody in the stadium knows you're
throwing the ball. I have to wait and see. But
(11:21):
I would say my confidence level has definitely increased that
this could be different than what's in the past.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Russell Wilson, What'll be your impressions that for one week?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I thought he was good.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I thought he was fine. You know, you know, to me,
it's just having somebody that can cash the checks that
are there, and he was able to do that when
they you know, he gave guys chances to make plays.
I think Fields in some ways just was a little
bit too conservative and cautious, and I think that comes
with not having had a ton of success and having
(11:56):
a lot of criticism that you're not going to put
the ball on Jeopardy, and I think Russell Wilson just
played with more confidence and gave his guys chances to
make plays down the field, and just he seemed like
he was in a little bit more command than Justin
Fields was, so I applauded it when they made the move.
I go back to what coaches always say, Doug, you're
(12:18):
in that fraternity now where you know you preach process
and not results, and a lot of times people do
that after you lose games and they they justified. I say, well,
you know, we didn't get to win, but the process
was right. Well, you got to flip it to the
other side when when you're winning, you have to still
look at the process. And I thought Mike Tomon looked
at that and said this is this is not good
enough and we got to get this other guy a shot,
(12:38):
and he did.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Fair enough. I don't think. I don't think their quarterback
for next year is on their roster. That's my firstal think.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
I think they're going to be hunting. I definitely think
they're going to be hunting. But I mean, I'm just
getting into the draft stuff now. I've been watching some
defensive guys today. But what I've seen a little bit
that I've seen of the quarterback class. This isn't last
year when we saw six of those guys go in
the top fifteen. So you know, it's it's one of
those things where there's gonna be some teams and some
fan bases are going to make that comment Doug about hey,
(13:09):
our guys okay for now, but he won't be our
starter next year, And I'm like, well, I don't know
where these starters are coming from. Is not going to
be a great draft in that regards.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
No, I think I think that the new thing is
going to be the recycled guys. You know, maybe maybe
not Sam Donald, but I mean, like, look at some
of the recycled guys, the Bakers of the world. You know,
Gino's had been solid up obviously, he's several times over recycled.
I think there's there's you get some experience, but you
don't pay top of the market for it. It's like
buying a used car, right, That's that's really what it's like.
(13:41):
Getting it, sorry, certified pre owned, but no, these aren't.
Actually these aren't. These aren't certified. A lot of those
guys are not. They're not certified because the other team
didn't want them. They're more used car more off auction.
You know, I'm really getting know what you got? Okay,
this one. I went to the Packers Texans game. So
(14:02):
what happened is?
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Has c J.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Stroud played that poorly all season long? Was it because
the Packers put a lot of pressure and they struggled
to put pressure all year long. I'm just wondering about
c J. Stroud in year two? What you see on tape?
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Yeah, I mean he's that was one I would say,
he said another game I don't recall which one it
was that was like similar to this, the offensive line
not playing as well, and he definitely got heated up
and pressured. You know, he didn't Yeah, he didn't. He
didn't have his he didn't have his his best game.
I still believe in him and his talent and and
(14:37):
the way he throws the ball and and the way
he sees the field. I just think he got really
sped up in this game. And I didn't think, you know,
it was kind of surprise. And I give look, you know,
give Green Bay credit. Now only did they rush well,
they covered well. There wasn't a ton of separation out
there either. So you know, it's just a bad, bad
day for the for the Texans. And I would also,
(14:57):
you know, give Halfway and that defense in Green Bay
their credit. They are fast and they played really well.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Did Jordan Love had a couple of interceptions as well.
You know, people in these parts comparing him to Brett Favre,
Why the high number leading the league in interceptions?
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Why the high number just unnecessary? You know, some of
it's just unnecessary. He's he's well on the whole. Yeah, yeah,
I just you know, you know, there's times and there's
times to take your shots and be aggressive, and there's
other times. I don't think it's that he's not seeing things.
There's a difference between not seeing it and forcing it.
I just think there's you know, he's trying a little
(15:36):
bit too hard to make every single play. He needs
to dial that back a little bit. But as uh,
you know, as an old scout friend of mine used
to say, when we're evaluating players, I'd rather rain in
a thoroughbred than have to kick a donkey in the
butt to get him going. So he's, uh, you can
you can fix his problems.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, that reminds me of my coach setting my coach
at Oklahoma State, and he would he would always say
he ain't never seen a jackass. When the when when
the Kentucky Derby Andchi get you get yourself. Some Thoroughbreds,
brother gets yourself. Some Thoroughbreds do.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Bad.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Fantastic.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Its Doug Ottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. It
feels like the breakup of the Rams. You think they
move Stafford.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
I think that there's a strong case for them too.
It's just a matter if they can find the fit.
I don't buy the Minnesota thing. That didn't really make
sense to me, the way that Sam's played, you know.
I know obviously you have a familiarity with the offense
there with Kevin, but that that one didn't make a
ton of sense to me. So yeah, would they be
open to it? I would imagine this is kind of
(16:41):
that time where they should be looking to the next
wave and the next iteration of this team. It's I
don't think that involves Matthew Stafford, but you know, do
you have more options with that in the off season
than you do now? I would think.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
So what about the Niners? I mean that just the injuries,
are you steal out? You know, we haven't seen McCaffrey did.
They just continue to add up. Where is the point
of no return where they're just going to be too
banged up to live up to their billing.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
I think we're getting close, you know, like this is uh,
this is definitely cost for concern because that's kind of
what makes that thing go, what those guys can do
with the ball in their hands and run after catch,
you know or not. I looked up the play action
numbers with them. It wasn't as drastic. I thought it
was way less this year. It's about three percent less
play action than they've used in the past, which has
(17:31):
been you know, a way they've been able to scheme
guys up and get guys in the free and clear
and let them run with the ball in their hands.
So when you watch them, it feels like, man, it's
just a lot of pure drop back and they don't
have a lot of guys that are that are going
to be able to win with who they have out
there right now. But I guess that was a little
overstated when I really dug into the numbers. But yeah,
it's they've lost a lot of dudes. Man in McCaffrey,
(17:53):
he's definitely you know, he's the guy that you start
with when you're the team that plays them if they're
fully healthy. Even with all those guys, that's the one
that's in the defensive meeting you're spending your time on
because it can be over quick with him.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, No, it's amazing. And how sometimes there's just a
team that just doesn't have it because of injuries. Okay,
on the other side, you got the team that just
beat them, they had DeAndre Hopkins. How does that fit work?
I know we think it's like fantasy football, right, you
take a guy who's been an All Pro, been a
Pro Bowler, but he's not a practice guy, right, I
(18:29):
mean famously doesn't really practice. He's not who he used
to be and it's not like he's played in this
system before. And part of the whole Mahomes thing is
these guys that have played with him just like know him.
What are your thoughts on how well that works? Well?
Speaker 6 (18:47):
I never put anything past the Chiefs and Andy Reid
being able to put guys in positions, but it kind
of felt like when I watched him this morning, I
went through all of his targets and if you just
didn't have a name on him and just we're watching
the China player. There's nothing that stands out. There's no quickness,
there's no vertical speed, there's no separation. He's not super
(19:07):
super physical as you would think so, but you know,
I don't know that Kelsey can really run anymore either.
And he's got really really good feel of working in
zones and and he's real instinctive and and he does
a really good job of putting him in a position
to make plays. And that's kind of what you're getting
the receiver version of that right now. But man, it's
this is not the high flying Chiefs. You know, they're
(19:30):
winning games because they're a defensive team, and I don't
think Adam DeAndre Hopkins is going to change that at all.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
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(20:17):
Wednesday is hum day. It's the middle of the week.
This is technically the middle of the show because we
have a one hour podcast that goes up after the show.
Just download the Doug Outlib Show podcast wherever you listen
to podcasts and you can get that one as well.
It's also the middle of the day. So we come
up with topics kind of all encompassing. Sometimes they don't
have to do with sports. Because jayse douwho sometimes doesn't
(20:40):
like sports because his Dodgers, you know, usually let them
down this time of year, or so do our Chargers today.
They feels like it'll be sports. Let's get to the midway.
It's not getting the middle in here, It's time for
the middle the midway. What do you got there, kiddo?
(21:04):
What do we agree to on the midway there? Jase?
Do I believe we agreed to It was like Fernando Mania,
but the Fernando other other manias that we remember.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
So this is what the process was.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
I thought maybe because of Fernando passing away, we could
talk about like other sports phenomenons that kind of are
similar to Fernando Mania. I also asked how or how
about other underwhelming pairs like last night, every I think
everyone agrees we were underwhelmed by Lebron and Browny, Like
(21:39):
what other hyped duos have fell flat? And then Dan
chimed in, I think with the with the topic that
we should do what are the best matchups we could
get in each league, pro and college on the heels
of the Yankees Dodgers, what are the what's the best
match I like that we could choose. I like that.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Hey, by the way, what was Dan's golden thing he
said yesterday at the end of the show, where I
was like, I think that might be the best point
you've made. And sorry, I've been like coaching, arranging, travel,
watching stuff, getting ready for the show. What was it? Dan?
Speaker 8 (22:14):
It was actually Jason's point about Lebron James and I
asked for clarification on everybody that everybody on Twitter would
think that this is such a golden and precious moment
is that what would drive him crazy? And then everybody
ends up making it about them and trying to get
their own juice off of this moment that was completely contrived.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
My favorite one was Rachel Nichols posted a video of
Lebron throwing a three foot chess pass to her son
to his son, and her saying the first pass in
the history of the NBA between a son and a father.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
Hi, I'll tell you a topper that I saw yesterday
on this I cannot believe that somebody actually put this
on a bottom line scroll. It said with a bucket
or with a point, Lebron James and Bronnie James would
pass Joe and Kobe Bryant as the highest scoring father
(23:14):
son duo in NBA history.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Like, what were you watching the onion? I know it, seriously.
Speaker 8 (23:21):
It was somewhere and I don't know if it was ESPN,
but that does feel like a very ESPN sort of thing,
where like Bronny just needed to score a point and
they would pass the Bryants as.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
The Sam's even laughing, and usually Sam would be like,
I don't want to touch that.
Speaker 9 (23:41):
I don't want to, but I'm surd it is.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
It's bag dad Bob thinks that the love affair with
the Lebron Browne stories a little much. Guys, remember Bagdad Bob.
Remember baddad Bob. I don't know it was from the
first Persian golf was the first or second Persian golf war?
There Jase Due, I think the first. He was basically
(24:05):
like the secretary of communication for Iraq, and I mean
there's some similarities now. Literally everything he said was a lie.
Like everything he was like, we will reign triumphant. We
are running the Americans out of Iraq, Like yeah, they're
(24:29):
like right across the street. They killed everybody that was
back Dad Bob so bad.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
It's a deep pole man, it's a deep all right.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Should we do these matchups?
Speaker 9 (24:42):
I was thinking of this one.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
I'd hate to preempt any of you guys, but there's
a there's a bear with me. There's a reason in here.
I think that the Celtics and Lakers are an ideal
matchup for the NBA. And I'll tell you why, because
you're probably thinking, you know, that's a really lazy answer. No,
let me tell you what, because it would be like
the fourth iteration. If you think about it. Celtics and
(25:07):
Lakers in the sixties when the Celtics beat the Lakers,
but every year was one, the Celtics Lakers in the eighties,
and then the Celtics Lakers with Kobe. This would be
like the fourth entity, the Lebron years, Celtics Lakers. I
think there will be a lot of hype. I think
the NBA would appreciate it. So that's kind of my
(25:28):
my contribution. Does that make sense, a fourth iteration of
the Lakers Celtics?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
It makes sense to me.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, yes, I don't think that's the best matchup.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
I don't know if I'm going to be in the
middle of you guys, but it makes a lot of
sense to me because I didn't think until Jason explained
it his way that it would be Lakers and Celtics.
So I'm curious to hear what Doug's thought would be
for the NBA.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Well, listen, in the West, I do think the Lakers
are the only ones that really makes sense. It's the
only one that people pay attention to. Maybe Steph Curry
would be the other one if it was the Golden
State Warriors, but that one seems it just seems hard,
far fetched to think they could even get there. Yeah,
I think the Knicks are the ones that give the
best energy. And I know we're talking about Yankees or whatever.
(26:14):
I just I truly think that the Knicks are the
ones that will that would be the best matchup. Lakers
Knicks would be really cool. I don't know if there's
anybody else in the West, but because there's such energy
in New York City, in Madison Square Garden that I
can't see anything else in the NBA matching up to that.
(26:36):
I look, Lakers Celtics is easy. They have the you
know what combined what is it, thirty five NBA titles,
so I do get it. I would just say the
Knicks only in that I don't know, there's there's some
Celtics fatigue there. There's some Celtics fatigue that's really goods end.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Yeah, I was gonna say that as well, Doug. I
my pick would have been Knicks Lakers. I think Jason's
had a very compelling argument on why they could be
Celtics Lakers, but I think I think Nicks Lakers on
the same lines of that. For the NFL, do you
guys think Cowboys Chiefs super Bowl would be the maximum
Cowboys in the NFC. Obviously, the Chiefs and their success
(27:17):
in the AFC.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You know, I've thought a lot about this. I always
thought that Brady and the Patriots versus the Cowboys or
the Packers were the ones. I actually I mean, like,
the Steelers are still bigger than the Chiefs are, and
I do think there's Chiefs fatigue. I don't think the
(27:41):
Ravens do it, even though everybody likes Lamar Jackson. I
don't know if I haven't. I mean, the Bills. The
problem is that they're you know, they're in Buffalo, but
that would because the Bills in our lifetime got the
four straight Super Bowls. I still think the Steelers are
the answer. It's still Steelers cowboy. I don't know we're talking,
(28:05):
you're you're you're doing the reality thing you're doing. The
Steelers are so far away from being a super Bowl
team that just can't. I'm just saying in terms of
matchup of the two franchises.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
Like there was a time when you mentioned the Bills
that we wanted that Niners Bill super Bowl. In fact,
Berman would pick it every single year and we never
got it. We never got a Niners Bill Super Bowl,
and so I think that there's things that change and
things that move. And I understand the Steelers aspect of it.
But right now, if Cowboys chiefs Iowa, Sam, can.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
We go back to the NBA just for a seconds?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Right?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (28:43):
What about Calves Lakers?
Speaker 4 (28:45):
No? Why not?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
No one cares about the Cavs.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
But I mean, I can't believe you interrupted our NFL.
Speaker 10 (28:52):
Ron grew up in part in Cleveland and a little
Ronnie La Yeah, and then yeah, he didn't he.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I will get closer to the court in Cleveland, the
Lakers NBA Finals than Brownie James.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
I'm not saying he's gonna play. There's a storylines there
because of the of the.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
There's lots of storylines. You can make up a good
point about storylines.
Speaker 10 (29:12):
Yeah, the connection to the state of Ohio. And then
you got the lady.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Of the La Bronni and Ellis Celtics again, you're you're
you're counteracting the Celtics versus the Lakers.
Speaker 9 (29:22):
I'm just saying that's.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
That I believe the Knicks. I've always said this that
I think whoever wins the title for the Knicks it
will be a bigger hero than any New York achey. Uh,
it's a baseball town because baseball they've won twenty seven titles.
But the the Boston Red Sox slash Chicago White Sox
slash Chicago Cubs of the NBA are the New York Knicks,
(29:48):
and if they can get to an NBA finals, and
I know they were in one when during the oj chase,
but that was also during the kind of that was
the non Jordan year or year and a half of
the of the NBA. I think it's the Knicks or
the cher but I'm I obviously think lak Er Celtics
is the other one. Okay, baseball, we have that college football,
(30:09):
college football, my answer is different than your call.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeers, Doug's going with Army Navy. I know he is.
Speaker 9 (30:18):
Both teams are great this year.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Undefeated teams are undefeated at their level, They're very good.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
And they're both ranked.
Speaker 8 (30:25):
I am completely biased that I would put Ohio State
in there.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Okay, so who would Ohio State play? Who's the dream
match of Ohio State?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I think Ohio State.
Speaker 8 (30:36):
Today, Texas, Yeah, give me Texas, Ohio State and Lexis.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
What do you think Jase dou I'll let you guys
geek out about this one because I was thinking, as
kind of a casual college football fan, what game would
really stimulate me?
Speaker 9 (30:53):
And I'm thinking it seems like they do a decent
job of giving him.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, we do, we have them, but I mean Texas
being by Texas is still Texas. I would say either
Texas versus Ohio State or an Alabama or a Georgia
versus USC. And again, I know we've had it, but
I'm talking of USC. Was ever back. You've got to
get the west coast interested in Oregon just doesn't move
(31:19):
it move in the other way USC does.
Speaker 9 (31:21):
Yeah, what about Notre Dame Miami, It'll be good. That'd
be a good one.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
It'd be great, kind of.
Speaker 9 (31:28):
Reviving a lot of you know.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
History, and they both may both play in the you know.
Speaker 10 (31:37):
Yeah, No, I think they're both definitely in the mix.
For I mean, Miami have hasn't lost yet. We've expected
them to lose or we thought they would lose, and
they haven't. But I think that they will be a
playoff team. And Notre Dame looks like they've righted the
wrongs of that head scratching win to northern Illinois.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
It's funny how quickly we get sick of Alabama and Clemson,
and I think that Georgia may start to be come,
you know, going on that that sort of level. But
it also is of there's something about those schools of Georgia, Alabama,
and Clemson being close to each other, being in the
southeast part of the country that it doesn't span it.
(32:15):
It's not wide ranging. We just don't like the SEC,
so maybe we'll cheer against the SEC. So there's something
with that. But I would also say that Michigan Washington
last year did not get the hype that a non
SEC that we would have helped from a non SEC
school participating.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
In Washington is never going to get the hype.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Yeah, it's not going to happen if it was, if
it was Texas, I think it would have been a bigger,
bigger deal.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
But yes, I agree.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah, college what about college hoops?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I we had do North Carolina in the in the
final four in the semifinals coach K's last game, Like, that's.
Speaker 8 (32:58):
Crazy, I said, I thought Duke Kentucky. Yeah, and now
it's but it's like reverse, Like, well, Duke's the villain
now too much blue, too much blue.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, who of course was part of the national championship team.
But I don't think Kentucky is as hated. There's it's
a hard one. I definitely think it's Duke, especially this
year with with Cooper Flag. I mean, Duke Yukon be great, Yeah, Ducon.
(33:37):
But but anytime you have those matchups, which historically you
can go and flashback to, right Arizona when they won
their national championship beat Kentucky, that would be a good one.
Duke and Yukon, of course they played for a national championship,
that would be a good one.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
I would take I'll tell you what, I would take
Duke Gonzaga, Duke or Kentucky Gonzaga before I.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Would take Yukon Gonzaga. Like in terms of.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
I don't know, I just I feel like Gonzaga still
has that, yeah, a little magical dust they still have.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
They're still like, for some reason, they're still vis this
Cinderella R. They've had like, yeah, one and done number
one overall picks they've they've had they, you name it,
they've had it, but they still do have the h
It's like that, it's like the grown up that still
doesn't shave right, Like they're still cute. It's twenty six, Like, yeah,
(34:37):
but he's he's got peach.
Speaker 11 (34:38):
Fuzz Sam, do you want to did you yeah, the
Kentucky or Syracuse or Duke, but you say always got
eleven championship championships.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
Kentucky's got eight, so there would be that backdrop. And
as I'm researching those two facts, I came up with
a nugget. I didn't know this was the case.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Do you know.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Yukon is the only school among those those schools with
like over five national championships that has never lost a
championship game?
Speaker 4 (35:12):
How crazy is that? Cash in when it means the most.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
That's really crazy. It's an unbelievable program. I mean, I
don't know if you guys know this. So they recruited
me out of high school and my but my mom
grew up in the state of Connecticut. You're up in
Bridgeport and went to Syracuse, and I mean she basically
made it out like it was a junior college. You know,
like you're not going to go to stores like, well
they're really good, Mom, Like yeah, that campus, like it's
(35:40):
actually really nice, beautiful campus. But and you know, you
go from there to for a long time, they could
never win. They were in that Elite eight game I
think a couple of times, and then they they have
what is.
Speaker 9 (35:54):
It six titles now, yes, six, and you're.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Talking about in twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
We can remember all of them as well.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
I know.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
That's the crazy part.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
That's the crazy part, Sam.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Do you want to interrupt this with a meaningless NBA matchup.
Speaker 10 (36:09):
Charlotte Hornet's taking on Portland Trailblazers. That would really move
a needle.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
It does make a point though, that that this is true,
like we're not trying to hurt your team's feelings, okay,
but like New Orleans you don't matter, Tampa you don't matter,
Carolina you don't matter, Chargers don't matter, Rams matter a
little bit. Niners obviously matter. Historically, Raiders would be if
the Raiders ever got there, it would be insane. Oh yeah,
(36:38):
if the Raiders. I was there last Raiders Super Bowl
it was in San Diego. It was embarrassing. Was against Tampa,
but Raiders against Cowboys. Raiders against Packers. Yeah, Raiders Packers.
You get all the NFL films, music and all the
throwback stuff. That wouldn't be bad or Raiders chiefs even
well about ABC, Sorry my bad, that's.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
All right, but we can't.
Speaker 8 (36:59):
We've never had a Cowboys Raiders super Bowl, right, so.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
There would be a newness.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Okay, you know, and you know how people hop on,
Like right now we're dealing with You're like, will the
Raiders stak Okay, I'm not talking about whether or not
their team is good. I'm talking about if they get
to a super Bowl. It would be insane because you have,
as I've stated before, not every Raider fan is a gangster,
but there's not a gangster in the world that's not
(37:25):
a Raider fan. Right, They're all going to come out
of the come out. Well, they'd come out of weekend
furlough and go to Super Bowls. It would be amazing.
Teasing teasing the Raiders. It's too easy. It's too easy.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
That's very cruel of you, Doug, especially this year when
they stink so bad.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Well, that's accurate, and that is a midway
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