October 29, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug talks about how well the Dodgers are playing right now against the Yankees and explains why he thinks the World Series is over. Doug weighs in on the quarterback change in Indianapolis. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to discuss Anthony Richardson, the Steelers and the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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the Giants on Monday Night football. Russell Wilson looks very
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much back, and I've been a Russell Wilson. I don't
want to say hater. I want to feel like realist
for a long time here. But if we're a realist,
Russell wasn't paying good FOOTBA last night. It wasn't perfect,
But through a couple balls, you're like, hmm, they got
they got a chance. They got a chance. And I've
operated on the premise that the Steelers do not have
next year starting quarterback on the roster. Russell Wilson looked
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like he could be next year starting quarterback Again. It's
it's only a couple of games in and Russ will
be Russ at some point in time, you'd think. But
in terms of the diminishing the diminishing value in Russell
Wilson last night, he looked pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
He looked pretty good.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
But let's start with Game three in New York, where
I like Fat Joe, I have no First of all,
the one issue with being named fat Joe is that, well,
fat Joe isn't fat anymore, right, He's he's just not
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He's just Joe, which would be funny, but you can't
really change your name to just Joe once you're fat Joe.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
The issue is that, I think, on one hand, I
understand what Major League Baseball is trying to do. They
broke out, you know, they they broke out ice cube.
Ice Cube was popular in the nineties, and will break
out Fat Joe, who you know, lean back was what
four actually probably more relevant more recently in the hip
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hop world than ice cubeiz, But I wouldn't say that
Fat Joe is as relevant in the world as ice
cubeiz in totality, And it felt like they were trying
to top the Dodgers atop La and be something they weren't.
And it just felt really forced, felt really really really forced.
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Oh and then there was baseball as well. Yeah, then
there's then there's baseball. Freddie Freeman hits his third home run,
his third consecutive game, and uh, of course you have
the struggles of Aaron Judge getting thrown out home plate.
He looked like he was racing a pregnant woman, assuming
Stanton looked like he was racing a pregnant worm and
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would have come in third. Like John Carlostan was a
football player, was a big time athlete, but man, he
has become a baseball player in his later years here
and he was he dragging a dead body when he
was running anyway, what'd you say he had?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
What legs?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Well, he's got those drunken legs, right.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, playoff legs, playoff legs. Here's Aaron Boone. He had
this exchange with reporters in regards to his superstar Aaron Judge,
who continues to struggle.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Aaron, do you think that Judges at the point here
where the struggle is so complete that he's not going
to be able to bust out.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Of it at this point.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
No, I don't believe that.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
What do you think he has to do for it
to happen?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Come ready to go tomorrow he's Aaron Judge and just
continue to work and hopefully get on time and connect
on some I.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Mean, look, it's a we talked about this earlier in
the year, and I understand Jackson Holidays not Aaron Judge
and probably will never be Aaron Judge.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I understand that.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
But it's you know, sometimes you can hit a slump
and at at a time inopportune time. Right, Aaron Judge
has one hit in this series one. He has seven
strikeouts in this series. Now he's a high volume strikeout guy.
He had home runs in back to back games against
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Cleveland was Games two and three, and that's pretty much
all he's done in this postseason. So whether he's whether
he's it's how he's being pitched, which is probably a
portion of it, or that he's you know, kind of
stressing and gripping that's probably a portion of it, or
there's something mechanically or he's not seeing it.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
That's probably a portion of it.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
But man, and what should be the crowning achievement of
another great year for Aaron Judge. Then when we have
all eyes on you, and if we're on it's like
show him he's been okay. Now, part of it was
remember showho Tani was he walked on four pitches.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
To start the game.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
That's confirmed, yep.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I think it was four pitches to start the game.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
And we don't even know, like at that point time
we know if you can swing a bat and you
walk them on four pitches and then you know, a
couple of batters later, Freddie Freeman goes and hits a
home run.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Now it's it's.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Too nothing before you can even you know, go up
and get a beer from the fridge before you and
sit down in between innings. So what happens inherently is
you get down two to nothing and you're at home
and there's already pressure on you to win, you automatically
put more pressure in yourself.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Whatever it is hasn't been very good.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And the Dodgers, who are good, but I think even
the most ardent Dodger fan, we have one here on
the show.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
His name Jason Stewart is our producer.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Even he would say like yeah, like roster wise wasn't
great at the end of the year, especially starting pitching
some holes there, and the Padres.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Probably had the better roster.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
But what's we're gonna be left with is the Dodgers
winning World Series being the best team in baseball.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
It wasn't even close.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Why do we even for completely forgetting that after three
games they were down two games to one to the
to the San Diego Padres. Like, I get that to
the victors go the Spoils. I get that they were
really good against the Mets. I get that they've been
great against the Yankees and in the most important times
like Game one when Freddy hit that walk off Grand Slam,
Like all of those things are and they did win
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a ton of games, But I'm not sure if we
were honest that they were actually the best team in
baseball in the regular season and this level of dominance
in the postseason it kind of hides the fact that
they were dead to rights with the Padres. Only the
Padres gagged it up, especially in Game four.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Chase two. How's that? How accurate is that?
Speaker 6 (06:45):
I think the Dodgers are the most talented team in baseball.
I think their roster or their clubhouse, their roster from
top to bottom, is the most talented. I always thought
the Padres had a better team. The Padres were playing
better baseball and they had the Dodgers number. So yeah,
winning that series exercised the demon of postseasons past and
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got the annoying gnat the Padres off our back, and
they've been almost unbeatable ever since. But I will never
say that any other roster when we step on the
field is more talented than the Dodgers. We've paid for it.
We got the best player in the world, and we
should win. We should win the championship. There's no doubt
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about it.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. What one
game away from winning? I don't know if it feels
like a foregone conclusion anybody else, it does to me.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It just does.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
There's that malaise that runs over There's not just losing
Game three.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Gosh, there's just no real energy in Yankee.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Stadium, and the idea that have the Dodgers lost four
games in a row all year long, I mean, without
even looking, I'm guessing the answer is no.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Maybe maybe, But I mean, you do a national radio
show and you're on Twitter a lot as I am,
and Dan is as well. Do you think Judge is
getting the grief he deserves for having one hit in
the World Series that was a single? Do you think
he's getting I mean, if you look at the numbers
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he put up the regular season, I was shocked when
I saw them recently. I didn't know they were that good.
And then you see a guy go one for whatever
he is fourteen with a single. Is he getting the
criticism and grief that he deserves for that?
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I don't know. I'm sure in New York he is.
I just don't think we do that as much in baseball.
I actually think we're much more reasonable about baseball than
we are about any other sport in regards to you know,
just look the fact that it's a small sample size.
I really believe that that baseball is covered for the
most part.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
To be so.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
But there's no denying he's not seeing it. There's no
denying they have a great plan and they're executing that
great plan. I would say, you know, how many remember
show hay was was struggling in the previous series and
part of it is, you know, like, look, there's special
attention to detail about pitching around sho he Tani and
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you know, only giving him things to hit that he
doesn't want to hit, and it's really caused him to struggle.
So I think it can happen to anybody. I do
think the best players in the world can.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And it is. But part of it is.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Like you're asking steven A and Skip to go full
on and they don't cover or care about baseball. And
I know this Skip's not on anymore, but you understand
the point. You understand the point.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Did anybody here get the sense that this series was
over as soon as Freeman hit the home run? Grand Slam?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yes, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Over, right, I thought so as well.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
The Grand Slam.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, the Grand Slam. Yeah, not the Game three. Been
in Game one, no, I thought.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I thought yesterday, I thought it was over when he
hit the home run.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
I thought it was over. In the Grand Slam. The
Yankees should have won Game one and how it played out,
and they're just little fielding errors, you know, throws back
into the infield, the lost key k Hernandez to get
to to third, and you know, we talked about the
heroics of freemen and what that moment was. But that
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was it. That series was over. You had Colon Game one,
you had opportunities, you had a three to two lead,
and when he goes yard. It's one of the few
times that I wish I would have tweeted. A lot
of times I tweet and I wish I didn't. But
I just felt that the series was over at that way.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
To the Vince Carter thing, was that what you were
going to.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Do, Billy Packer? Yeah, I felt it was over at
that time, and everything is played out the way. Just
I think it sucked so much out of the Yankees,
and we've seen that offensively over these last two games.
Not that they were juggernauts, but when you're only scoring
runs and basically the ninth inning.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
Everything you say is I could be completely right, and
you are objective, Dan, and people listening to this the
show right now are probably very objective and they agree
with you. I am far too much a pessimist and
cynic to ever have said that after that home run you.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Are a pessimist and a cynic. I don't I don't
believe that for one second.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Yeah, Sam could affirm that I certainly think that the
Grand Slam left the Yankees shook.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I think it got in their head and it hasn't
left since. And now we're down there, down oh three.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, here's something that's kind of interesting. Let me kind
of flush this out.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Dan and all you guys, you know, for years baseball
has had like one closer, right, you have all these teams,
they had one guy, and that one guy always had
the cool music. That one guy always had something quirky
about him, right back. I look at all these teams,
they always one guy. And now so much of it
is really based upon matchups. You know, you have to
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pitch the three batters and you're looking right you right,
he left, he left you.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
The way they lost Game one, here's where I will
I will agree with Dan. It's like the way they
lost Game one left you wondering what the hell are
we doing here? You know, you have a guy who
hadn't pitched in a month, and then you're not throwing
breaking balls to on left. He lefty like that was
that was the pitch they choose. It was that was
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where the glove was too. It wasn't like he missed
that badly missed. But it wasn't like he missed. You know,
he's trying to throw a ball on the first pitch
and he threw a strike. Like no, they're trying to
throw a strike. It just wasn't right where he threw it.
But whatever, I think what happens there though. When you're
the player, you're like, Okay, we had our best starter
on the hill. We had a chance to win the game,
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and then like, what are we doing. We're bringing in
a guy I hadn't pitched in a month, and oh yeah,
by the way, in terms of pitch sequences, what's going
on there? So I think that part may le lend
itself to what Dan's talking about.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
I think in the series that we thought was pretty
even when you give away a game that you should
have won, yeah, it really puts you behind the eight
ball and then it's just kind of snowballed.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I thought it was over after last night's Freddy Freeman
home run. I really did want. I also want.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Everybody doesn't tweet now because they're scared of being like
old takes exposed toever.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
But it felt like it was over there.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
You're like, oh, this game's over, and he's like, wow,
it's the top of the first day. Like, no, this
one feels over over, You're saying, Jay stuck Ottlab Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. So the Dodgers are up
three games none on the Yankees chance tonight to sweep
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during this run when there's actually you know, full people
in the stands obviously that some people don't give them
credit because of the COVID year one.
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of the week. I went to the Colts Packers game
in was that week two? I think that was week two,
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and I tweeted it out. And again I don't profess
to have the ability to watch a quarterback in college
and understand what skills translate.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I have opinions, but I'm not gonna sit here, and
I know a lot of people in our in my chair,
and when I say in my chair, not my particular chair,
but other radio shows whatever, they speak with authority about
things that we don't really know all that much about,
you know, unless you've been in the front office, unless
you've been a scout, like Middlekoff wasn't a high level scout,
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but like look, once you've done scouting, you have a
good feel. Obviously, Daniel Jeremiah was a college quarterback's He's
been an analyst for a long time. Plus he has connections,
so he uses his own thoughts, own intuition, and then
runs it by people in the NFL and comes up
with I'm sure his own personal opinion. My opinion is generally,
when I tell you what I think of somebody. It's
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generally either one I've seen them in person, or two
I've talked to a bunch of people. It's not I
watched somebody on TV and he can't really totally tell.
I watched Anthon Richardson play against Packers and I thought,
that's not an NFL quarterback, you know, and they were
and I know also those Shane Steikeen's a really good
play caller. He was with the Chargers, he was with
the Eagles, and I think he is with the Colts.
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So if he can't now guys up or there were
plenty of guys open, but he couldn't see him. So
not as a pristunner to me that Anthony Richardson was
bench Joe flat Coos con to start.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Here's Anthie Richardson.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Remember this was him after the game on Sunday when
asked about his poor completion percentage and why he deserves
to be the starting quarterback.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
You know, I could play football, you know, I've been
doing it my whole life. You know, I don't necessarily
look at numbers. And they said Vic didn't have a
great completion percentage the first couple of years, you know,
and he's probably one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever
do it. So I don't necessarily look at numbers, you know,
I just look at each play, you know, for itself,
because you know, I don't have the ability to control
every single things that happen every play, and I can
only control what I can control, and I'm just trying
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to do my part out there. So if my numbers
are low and he just low, has you got to
pick him up and you got to play better.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, I just it's it's if you watch he he
doesn't see it. He's got some tunnel vision. I mean, look,
it's it's the perfect example. We say this to when
we're meeting about recruits. You know, don't find me the
best athletes, find me the best basketball players. And Anthony
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Richardson checks so many boxes, you know, doesn't have any
outfield issues. Very very young, so you feel like and
a lot of times when you see young people like, wow,
he's really really young, Like and the thought when you
draft a guy that young is, well, he's at an
age where he's going to develop and he's going to
learn and he's gonna improve more rapidly. But it's just
really hard to get guys to see when they can't
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see and then he's just not accurate. John Mentalcoff joins
this three and now podcast plus the Courses, A former
NFL scout, joints here on the Doug Otleig Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Where were you and Anthony Richardson when
he came out of Florida?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
You know, I like taking big swings, and after the
combine talking to buddies that had interviewed him during the process,
they really liked the kid and thought that it was
worth the risk, you know. So I mean, when you
get a guy with that arms, trenk, that speed, that athleticism,
I'm willing to take chances on that. I mean that
I was around Coach Hill at Fresno States that had
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to do that because they weren't some Power five program,
And then Andy Reid has made a living off stuff
like that, So I'm inclined to do it when you
know the character and the competitive character checks. And I
think everyone, all the former players are crushing him for
tapping out, and that's my first reaction. But I texted
with like number two for a really good team, and
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he said, listen, it's easy to crush him right now.
But he's twenty two years old. He barely played his
entire length. So it's not like this guy has one
hundred starts in high school in college. He was hurt
in high school, he was hurt in college. And so
like I do think there's a chance that he actually
is a very competitive guy that he almost doesn't even
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know what he doesn't even know if you looked at
him more like a freshman or sophomore in college, Like,
I don't think we would judge a college kid as
crazy as we're judging this situation. But once he does it,
given how hard I mean, every time I looked up
at that game, Jonathan Taylor's running his butt off, their
defense was playing really hard hitting CJ. Stroud that they
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have their worst quarterbacks that's stressed out on the field.
So I think there's just a black and white football
decision that like we're trying to win these games because
we have a playoff level roster in our opinion to mention,
but I don't think this is the end of the
world for the guy. But like that also can't happen,
so that it was a pretty crazy situation, especially when
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you factor in part of the reason he's in because
he's the number we'll pick, not because he's the best quarterback.
So there are so many variables here. It's a unique situation.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
No question about it. Doug gotlib show here on Fox
Sports for you. John Mintalcoff's our guest. He goes to
three and Out podcast. It's out stands on the Volume
podcast network. What did you see from Russell Wilson last night?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Well, he's definitely expanded their explosive passing games. And you know,
I don't think his arms as strong as it was
in the prime of his career. Clearly he entered. Threw
a couple of balls last night, but he still throws
a very, very catchable beat ball. And we have George Pickens,
who clearly a freak. You know, just throw him up,
let him make plays. We've seen Jefferson for years be
a contributing member. They have a good tight end, their
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running backs are playing well. The Austin returner who had
obviously the punt return and the touchdown catch, like is
a vertical threat. So like they haven't really had that
since Rothsburger, and really even the last couple of years
of Roethlisberger, he couldn't push the ball down the field, So,
like I didn't think that he would look like this.
He's been way better than I think most people around
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the NFL thought. But he clearly throws the ball a
lot better than the guy they benched. So Tomlin, it's
like a baseball game, right if you pitch hit the
guy and he strikes out, the manager gets crushed. But
he comes in hits one off the wall, and you
take the lead in the eighth inning. The manager's a genus.
So you got to get tom the credit. It looks
like a pretty good move because they definitely upgraded.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
They did, and I was, I've always been I've been
a doubt over the last three or four years. But
he threw a couples that ball to Pickings. You know,
they were talking about what a great route it was,
but what an incredible throw you know where I mean Pickings.
It hit him in stride over his shoulder, you know,
kind of in traffic there.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
And that was about the touchdown pass where it didn't count,
but he got both. He got the same foot down
twice like they just weren't really doing it and they
got overturned. They ended up kicking a field goal. But
like that play was not happening three weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's the best incomplete reception I've ever seen.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Do you do you think obviously two foot totally like
you should have.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
But to right foot tap, are you like you're gonna
tell me two right foot tap should equal two feet?
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Well, I think if you get the same foot down
multiple times, that goes back up to me. That was
a catch, Like there are something like is it a
catch or not? Like that's a catch.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
It was a catch, but you have to have both
feet down. I mean again, it's just a rule, you know.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
But very impressive, very impressive.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
It was. It was, and you know it's one of
those things.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Pickings has been a pain in the ass, but you
can like you probably would be too if you didn't
have anybody could throw you the football.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
And wonder too, like are they you know, the Giants
aren't exactly you know, the Bill Parcells nineteen ninety squad,
But the last two weeks, the ferocity and violence in
which they're running the ball. I wonder if they're running
backs have more confidence because they feel the offense gonna
be better. Their offensive line, which has been a question mark,
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just has a little more juice to one because from
just a power running game. I mean, I've been watching
Najie Harrison high school. You know, I think he's been
a little underwhelming in the pros. He looks he looks
pretty darn good. Weo Jalen Warren. I mean, that's that's
an incredible change of paceback. You know, it's kind of
like a little off Mechler version of a younger player.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, yep, i'd agree.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Stut Gottlieb Show. This is Fox Sports Radio. John Middlecoff
is our guest man. There's a bunch of other stuff.
Let's let's go to the Cowboys. You know, I understand
this season feels like it's slipping away because of injuries,
and maybe they can get it back in time. But
they re signed Dak Prescott, and I don't know, every
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time they really really need him, it feels like he
throws a couple of picks and sets him back. I mean,
I just what it feels like Groundhog Day again in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Yeah, I mean it's I can't put this the entirety
of this season on him. Yeah it's but but I
hear you. He has played the Niners now four straight times,
right in two playoff games and then two massive regular
season games both on Sunday Night Football and then the
two playoff games. They basically had the equal team. Last
year was a mismatch, you know, in the Sunday night game,
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but on Sunday Night like the Niners were. The only
difference is the Niners and Cowboys. Their owner doesn't talk
like they were in shambles two and he has thrown
eight interceptions in those four games against the forty nine ers,
and they aren't just you know, that was an unlucky
pit pass by defensive tackle that bounced off a due's helmet.
They are hitting guys in the hands. Sometimes it's stride.
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I mean he had thrown I think of those eight,
at least three or four of those are lollypap pops
to the safety who cuts across the middle of the field.
And it's just it cannot happen. Like your team might
be under man it's going to be very tough to
win the game. But like they got very lucky to
win the Steelers game when he was turning the ball
over at a rap and rate and against the forty
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nine Ers, they just were not going to win that
game on the road with their defensive injuries. If he
had multiple turnos and he immediately throws a pick that
starts the game. They come out in the second half.
I think the score is thirteen to ten, and he
throws a pick on their first drive and then you
know it's already on the Niners half the field and
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they marked out of course twenty to tenth for even
blank and to me, that's killing them obviously. You know,
I think the universal take on his careers he's never
been a top five quarterback. But when he plays well,
he can be a really good starter. He just you
can't afford to turn the ball over like he does.
And finally, just against the Niners, right like last year
(25:39):
against the Packer game, he just he just kind of
unravels sometimes in these games. That is just and maybe
that's the reason why we why such a polarizing player.
But his contractor isn't polarizing. It's premium. I mean, he's
paid like he's Lebron James or show Heyo time relative
to the NFL players. So yeah, just not an ideal.
(26:00):
I mean, if you're a Cowboy fan, I think you
have to kind of acknowledge like this has got a
chance to be seven and ten, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I mean that's what Yeah, looking at right, it's they
look awful.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Remember that's that's a defense.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Now now is the defense? Is it?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
And obviously they have some injuries, But how much of
it is that Zimmer style is like you you lost,
dan Quinn. I think that's the bigges thing you lost
dan Quinn.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Yeah, clearly.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, Now everybody likes Zimmer.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Everybody likes Zimmer, But how much of it is just
their defensive styles are so polar opposite or different that
that it's it's like it's like you come to my
house and trying to, you know, turn on my TV
and find my you know, find my channels.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
I think it's very difficult to transition when you've been successful.
I also think obviously every human being is different, but
I would put dan Quinn and Mike Zimmer, in terms
of coaching style and personalities, on the opposite ends of
the spectrum. I don't think when you have a style
that is very predicated on wlitzing linebackers and pressure, well,
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Eric Kendricks is an old, slower player now, so when
you were blitzing him when he was much younger and
they just had better personnel, it looked a lot better
if you gave Fred Warner to Mike Zimmer. I think
his defense would be pretty effective when he was with
the Bengals as a coordinator before he became a head coach,
Like they had big time defensive personnel. Well, it doesn't
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work the same with the Cowboys when your d tackles
aren't any good. So part of the reason they consistently
get gashed is they can't, you know, even pretend to
hold the point of attack, and then they get put
in these positions where they're just getting leaned on. And
to me, that like run defense. Yeah, in high school maybe,
and even in college effort obviously, but in the pros,
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like you either got good defensive lineman or to go.
I mean, all these guys are trying pretty hard. And
to me, without and Micah, let's face it, he's not
like some run defender. But to me, the run defense
utually stark with the defense tackles, and definitely your edge
guy's being able to just to hold the point and
they simply cannot. So like remember Dan quint stole some
of their guys with them to Dallas. Like Dallas is
(28:09):
just a way less deep team now in terms of
some of the auxiliary, not the stars, but you know,
just solid starters for years. I mean they played for Washington.
I think if you watch Washington, obviously they're one of
the sexiest stories of the league, but part of it
you watched him, Like, I think they got pretty solid players. Yeah,
I mean they signed a bunch of just good free agents,
(28:31):
not stars, but you have to overpay a little free agency.
But they just got a lot of guys that you're like, yeah,
that kind of start from my team.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Did you see the decline of Aaron Rodgers coming?
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Uh? Yeah, I think anytime you get a forty year
old player like Lebron and Tom Brady are historic outliers.
Most guys. Honestly, if you just look at Tom Brady
relative to his peers, he's dramatically different. Right, fell off
a cliff. Roethlisberger fell off a cliff. Peyton Manny literally,
(29:05):
I mean after like the first drive or two in
a game. He couldn't throw that last year, and that's
most of our lifetime now. Obviously, medicine and rehabilitation and
diets and all these things have made it easier, but
like he can't really move and the other thing, Doug
and you and me, I mean, have been talking about
this guy, probably have been supporting him when people were
(29:28):
coming after him over his career, just because the guys
I mean in the peak of his powers. I wasn't
old enough to quite feel Lway and Marino in their prime,
but like he was that he had it all. And
now he throws these passes because he doesn't want to
get hit. He's not stepping into anything. Nothing is with authority,
and it's not I talked to a buddy the other
(29:50):
day in the NFL. They're like, you could get right
now Vinnie Testaverdi or Dan Marino or take him out
to a high school football field and have them throw
a dart. Like his arms always gonna work, but he
doesn't want to get hit, so he's always falling back.
He can't scramble anymore, which was his like you know,
I mean that was his.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
That was that was the superpower.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
So it's like, if he can't scramble and he doesn't
want to get hit, it's to me that the pass
is coming out. He throws more now of these like Lollipop, unconfident,
just kind of throws it into places that he never
did before because he used to step in or just
had more arm power and trust his leg and part
of it doesn't look like a guy who's I don't
(30:34):
think he's like thinking about his achilles constantly, but he's
a little sensitive to that area. He plops down on
the ground more, which is understandable. And the Jets like
their downfall is as much him as it is. I mean,
they're coaching staffs terrible. You can't create a team full
of mercenaries in the NFL. I mean, hell, it barely
works in basketball, right He usually takes like the Suns
(30:57):
this year looked way better than they did last year. Well,
they also like Kevin Durant right now, way better than
Aaron Rott. You do need your best player to be
elite if you are going to go to the mercenary route.
And still in the sport of football, I would say
it's still very, very difficult to overcome the lack of
quote unquote cohesion and chemistry.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
No question about it. Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. That's the voice of one John Middelkoff. John,
last thing, can you figure out the Ravens for me?
Or or is the story jamis? I don't know, but
like the Ravens dominate the league, lose to the Raiders,
lose to the Browns.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
You know, I was thinking of watching the Steelers last
night because I looked at both their schedules and both
teams didn't get to play Deshaun Watson. So the four
games that the Ravens and the Steelers have to play
against the Browns, like they just become a competent team, right,
especially at home, Like that's not And I would say
the Ravens, unlike the Steelers, like their past defense is
(31:56):
is terrible. So like if both those two teams would
have to Shaun Watson, I think most people would be like,
that's four to zero and at best it would be
one to three, and it would be considered a massive upset.
But like you watch the Browns, like that's a tough
place to play. You hear those right that ten the
where the fans fit and they bang on it and
they get a little life, like they do have really
(32:17):
good players. So I think the Ravens past defense has
been bad all season. But like the Browns, if they
just get middle of the road quarterback play, let alone
a guy willing to kind of flinging around like that,
they could be kind of a swing team in that division,
not because I mean they're out of it, but just
what if they beat the Steelers or you know, beat
the Ravens again, Right, that was something that didn't exist
(32:40):
before Deshaun pop that Achilles. So to me, you could
argue it's a little more about the Browns just being
one of those teams is gonna end up with probably
six seven wins, probably not seven. I guess they got
a long way to go, but they are going to
beat some people because I mean they were playing their
butt off, and we know in that division. I mean
all six of those games Bengals included are just a knockdown,
(33:03):
drag out.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Listen, I think the same thing happened to the Browns
that happened to the Steelers, where all of a sudden,
now they had competent quarterback play and the defensive line
was better, and the run game was better.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Guys are playing hard.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
It's human nature, right, Yeah, if you're doing anything, especially professionally,
and you're like, we're going to know what's the point
of this, and then all of a sudden it's like, Okay,
I believe in this. It's just you just get more
light you know, win or lose. These players are humans.
So yeah, I saw the Browns. If I'm a Browns fan,
I'm sick to my stomach because I go listen. Oh
(33:34):
we win the Super Bowl with Jamis No, but could
we have competed for a wild card? If that's how
we're gonna look?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Hell yeah, I don't think that. I don't think it's
still out of the question. That's John Middlecoff three and
now it's the podcast, John and the Best. Appreciate you
joining us.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
A lot up a stuck out of the show.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Fox Sports Radio. Every day of this time, we turn
over to Dan Buyer. We play a game.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Hey, Danny B.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
What do you got, Doug? The game today is rank them?
All right, Doug. We do this every week, but ranked
the top three teams of the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
That's a great question. Okay, I know one and two
are the question is three. By the way, I'm already
gonna maya copa. I questioned the Lions and what they
would do this year, and I'm just we're halfway through.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
And you know, maybe buyer's remorse.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I have buyers. Yeah, I mean they're really good and
they're fun to watch too.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I like them Chiefs one, Lions two, and uh, you know,
I'm gonna put the Green Bay pack curse three.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Okay. I proclaimed on my Sunday show that the NFC
Championship game will be the Lions and Packers.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
It was pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Dog rank your top top three Joe Flacco memories.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Joe flakau, I would, I mean, winning a super Bowl's
got to be number one, right, win a super Bowl?
I thought last year though, when they won the playoff game,
it was the playoff game win he was talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Or is that this No?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Is this year the Yeah, they made it to the playoffs.
Last year they lost to the Texans in that playoff game.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
But I know a lot more about Joe Flacco than
I probably should. You know, he started his career at Pittsburgh,
they went to Delaware.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
He did I share the same birthday you guys do? Yes?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Happy birthday do you both? That's pretty cool. That's really cool,
very cool.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I would say this year when he that first game
that he won. When he came into and he was
talking about his that he like scored cool points with
his kids. That was like those three just kind of
regular Joe. I mean, obviously to those of us who
have been in this business, the constant is Joe Flacco elite.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yes, okay, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Number two, and then Joe Flaco win the Super Bowls
number one.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Okay, bonus question.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Yes, what's Stan Byer's birthday?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Doug, I actually know this. I think it's around mine.
Why do I think it's around mind? Why do I
think it's like January?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Don't worry. We've only worked together for seven and a
half years.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I want to say, like it's the seventeenth or the sixth,
Mine's the fifteenth. I want to say it's the seventeenth
of January.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
It is the sixteenth of January.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I missed it. But how did I miss that?
Speaker 4 (36:41):
I don't know. Actually, I wonder myself.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Sorry, and I'm sorry, Dan. I knew it was January.
I just in my head it popped up eighteenth. I
was like, no, it's really close to mine, and I
was like seventeenth. I just couldn't get off of seventeenth
in my head.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
My Wikipedia stub could have told you that. By the way,
if anybody wants to expand my Wikipedia page, feel free
to do so. It's there for you. All right, Doug
rank your How about this Top three things to do
in Stillwater? Since we'll all be there, sorry, Iowa Sam
on Monday taking in the Green Bay, Oklahoma state season opener, Doug,
Top three things to do when we're in Stillwater. Coming
(37:18):
up this weekend, going to Eskimo jost.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Has got to be one. Yeah, gotta be one, man.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
There's just not number two, nothing, number three, nothing, football game.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
I mean, it's just, yeah, you go to the football game. Well,
actually this weekend, Friday night is the walk around. That'd
be number one. It's homecoming. It's Tradish Tradish, It's amazing.
Saturday is homecoming. That would be two, and then Eskimo
Joe's would be three. In reality, Friday night, if you
guys are getting out there then is pretty awesome.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
We'll be at Eskimo Joe's on Monday Live with this show.
Can't wait, as part Scott would say, and that's good.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Game.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
All right, coming up next to the Dug Gottlieb Show
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the Giants on Monday Night football. Russell Wilson looks very
(00:47):
much back, and I've been a Russell Wilson. I don't
want to say hater. I want to feel like realist
for a long time here. But if we're a realist,
Russell wasn't paying good FOOTBA last night. It wasn't perfect,
But through a couple balls, you're like, hmm, they got
they got a chance. They got a chance. And I've
operated on the premise that the Steelers do not have
next year starting quarterback on the roster. Russell Wilson looked
(01:08):
like he could be next year starting quarterback Again. It's
it's only a couple of games in and Russ will
be Russ at some point in time, you'd think. But
in terms of the diminishing the diminishing value in Russell
Wilson last night, he looked pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
He looked pretty good.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
But let's start with Game three in New York, where
I like Fat Joe, I have no First of all,
the one issue with being named fat Joe is that, well,
fat Joe isn't fat anymore, right, He's he's just not
(01:44):
He's just Joe, which would be funny, but you can't
really change your name to just Joe once you're fat Joe.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
The issue is that, I think, on one hand, I
understand what Major League Baseball is trying to do. They
broke out, you know, they they broke out ice cube.
Ice Cube was popular in the nineties, and will break
out Fat Joe, who you know, lean back was what
four actually probably more relevant more recently in the hip
(02:14):
hop world than ice cubeiz, But I wouldn't say that
Fat Joe is as relevant in the world as ice
cubeiz in totality, And it felt like they were trying
to top the Dodgers atop La and be something they weren't.
And it just felt really forced, felt really really really forced.
(02:39):
Oh and then there was baseball as well. Yeah, then
there's then there's baseball. Freddie Freeman hits his third home run,
his third consecutive game, and uh, of course you have
the struggles of Aaron Judge getting thrown out home plate.
He looked like he was racing a pregnant woman, assuming
Stanton looked like he was racing a pregnant worm and
(03:00):
would have come in third. Like John Carlostan was a
football player, was a big time athlete, but man, he
has become a baseball player in his later years here
and he was he dragging a dead body when he
was running anyway, what'd you say he had?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
What legs?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Well, he's got those drunken legs, right.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, playoff legs, playoff legs. Here's Aaron Boone. He had
this exchange with reporters in regards to his superstar Aaron Judge,
who continues to struggle.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Aaron, do you think that Judges at the point here
where the struggle is so complete that he's not going
to be able to bust out.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Of it at this point.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
No, I don't believe that.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
What do you think he has to do for it
to happen?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Come ready to go tomorrow he's Aaron Judge and just
continue to work and hopefully get on time and connect
on some I.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Mean, look, it's a we talked about this earlier in
the year, and I understand Jackson Holidays not Aaron Judge
and probably will never be Aaron Judge.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I understand that.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
But it's you know, sometimes you can hit a slump
and at at a time inopportune time. Right, Aaron Judge
has one hit in this series one. He has seven
strikeouts in this series. Now he's a high volume strikeout guy.
He had home runs in back to back games against
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Cleveland was Games two and three, and that's pretty much
all he's done in this postseason. So whether he's whether
he's it's how he's being pitched, which is probably a
portion of it, or that he's you know, kind of
stressing and gripping that's probably a portion of it, or
there's something mechanically or he's not seeing it.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
That's probably a portion of it.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
But man, and what should be the crowning achievement of
another great year for Aaron Judge. Then when we have
all eyes on you, and if we're on it's like
show him he's been okay. Now, part of it was
remember showho Tani was he walked on four pitches.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
To start the game.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
That's confirmed, yep.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I think it was four pitches to start the game.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
And we don't even know, like at that point time
we know if you can swing a bat and you
walk them on four pitches and then you know, a
couple of batters later, Freddie Freeman goes and hits a
home run.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Now it's it's.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Too nothing before you can even you know, go up
and get a beer from the fridge before you and
sit down in between innings. So what happens inherently is
you get down two to nothing and you're at home
and there's already pressure on you to win, you automatically
put more pressure in yourself.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Whatever it is hasn't been very good.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And the Dodgers, who are good, but I think even
the most ardent Dodger fan, we have one here on
the show.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
His name Jason Stewart is our producer.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Even he would say like yeah, like roster wise wasn't
great at the end of the year, especially starting pitching
some holes there, and the Padres.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Probably had the better roster.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
But what's we're gonna be left with is the Dodgers
winning World Series being the best team in baseball.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
It wasn't even close.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Why do we even for completely forgetting that after three
games they were down two games to one to the
to the San Diego Padres. Like, I get that to
the victors go the Spoils. I get that they were
really good against the Mets. I get that they've been
great against the Yankees and in the most important times
like Game one when Freddy hit that walk off Grand Slam,
Like all of those things are and they did win
(06:25):
a ton of games, But I'm not sure if we
were honest that they were actually the best team in
baseball in the regular season and this level of dominance
in the postseason it kind of hides the fact that
they were dead to rights with the Padres. Only the
Padres gagged it up, especially in Game four.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Chase two. How's that? How accurate is that?
Speaker 6 (06:45):
I think the Dodgers are the most talented team in baseball.
I think their roster or their clubhouse, their roster from
top to bottom, is the most talented. I always thought
the Padres had a better team. The Padres were playing
better baseball and they had the Dodgers number. So yeah,
winning that series exercised the demon of postseasons past and
(07:07):
got the annoying gnat the Padres off our back, and
they've been almost unbeatable ever since. But I will never
say that any other roster when we step on the
field is more talented than the Dodgers. We've paid for it.
We got the best player in the world, and we
should win. We should win the championship. There's no doubt
(07:29):
about it.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. What one
game away from winning? I don't know if it feels
like a foregone conclusion anybody else, it does to me.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It just does.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
There's that malaise that runs over There's not just losing
Game three.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Gosh, there's just no real energy in Yankee.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Stadium, and the idea that have the Dodgers lost four
games in a row all year long, I mean, without
even looking, I'm guessing the answer is no.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Maybe maybe, But I mean, you do a national radio
show and you're on Twitter a lot as I am,
and Dan is as well. Do you think Judge is
getting the grief he deserves for having one hit in
the World Series that was a single? Do you think
he's getting I mean, if you look at the numbers
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he put up the regular season, I was shocked when
I saw them recently. I didn't know they were that good.
And then you see a guy go one for whatever
he is fourteen with a single. Is he getting the
criticism and grief that he deserves for that?
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I don't know. I'm sure in New York he is.
I just don't think we do that as much in baseball.
I actually think we're much more reasonable about baseball than
we are about any other sport in regards to you know,
just look the fact that it's a small sample size.
I really believe that that baseball is covered for the
most part.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
To be so.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
But there's no denying he's not seeing it. There's no
denying they have a great plan and they're executing that
great plan. I would say, you know, how many remember
show hay was was struggling in the previous series and
part of it is, you know, like, look, there's special
attention to detail about pitching around sho he Tani and
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you know, only giving him things to hit that he
doesn't want to hit, and it's really caused him to struggle.
So I think it can happen to anybody. I do
think the best players in the world can.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And it is. But part of it is.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Like you're asking steven A and Skip to go full
on and they don't cover or care about baseball. And
I know this Skip's not on anymore, but you understand
the point. You understand the point.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Did anybody here get the sense that this series was
over as soon as Freeman hit the home run? Grand Slam?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yes, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Over, right, I thought so as well.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
The Grand Slam.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, the Grand Slam. Yeah, not the Game three. Been
in Game one, no, I thought.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I thought yesterday, I thought it was over when he
hit the home run.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
I thought it was over. In the Grand Slam. The
Yankees should have won Game one and how it played out,
and they're just little fielding errors, you know, throws back
into the infield, the lost key k Hernandez to get
to to third, and you know, we talked about the
heroics of freemen and what that moment was. But that
(10:26):
was it. That series was over. You had Colon Game one,
you had opportunities, you had a three to two lead,
and when he goes yard. It's one of the few
times that I wish I would have tweeted. A lot
of times I tweet and I wish I didn't. But
I just felt that the series was over at that way.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
To the Vince Carter thing, was that what you were
going to.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Do, Billy Packer? Yeah, I felt it was over at
that time, and everything is played out the way. Just
I think it sucked so much out of the Yankees,
and we've seen that offensively over these last two games.
Not that they were juggernauts, but when you're only scoring
runs and basically the ninth inning.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
Everything you say is I could be completely right, and
you are objective, Dan, and people listening to this the
show right now are probably very objective and they agree
with you. I am far too much a pessimist and
cynic to ever have said that after that home run you.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Are a pessimist and a cynic. I don't I don't
believe that for one second.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Yeah, Sam could affirm that I certainly think that the
Grand Slam left the Yankees shook.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I think it got in their head and it hasn't
left since. And now we're down there, down oh three.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, here's something that's kind of interesting. Let me kind
of flush this out.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Dan and all you guys, you know, for years baseball
has had like one closer, right, you have all these teams,
they had one guy, and that one guy always had
the cool music. That one guy always had something quirky
about him, right back. I look at all these teams,
they always one guy. And now so much of it
is really based upon matchups. You know, you have to
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pitch the three batters and you're looking right you right,
he left, he left you.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
The way they lost Game one, here's where I will
I will agree with Dan. It's like the way they
lost Game one left you wondering what the hell are
we doing here? You know, you have a guy who
hadn't pitched in a month, and then you're not throwing
breaking balls to on left. He lefty like that was
that was the pitch they choose. It was that was
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where the glove was too. It wasn't like he missed
that badly missed. But it wasn't like he missed. You know,
he's trying to throw a ball on the first pitch
and he threw a strike. Like no, they're trying to
throw a strike. It just wasn't right where he threw it.
But whatever, I think what happens there though. When you're
the player, you're like, Okay, we had our best starter
on the hill. We had a chance to win the game,
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and then like, what are we doing. We're bringing in
a guy I hadn't pitched in a month, and oh yeah,
by the way, in terms of pitch sequences, what's going
on there? So I think that part may le lend
itself to what Dan's talking about.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
I think in the series that we thought was pretty
even when you give away a game that you should
have won, yeah, it really puts you behind the eight
ball and then it's just kind of snowballed.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I thought it was over after last night's Freddy Freeman
home run. I really did want. I also want.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Everybody doesn't tweet now because they're scared of being like
old takes exposed toever.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
But it felt like it was over there.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
You're like, oh, this game's over, and he's like, wow,
it's the top of the first day. Like, no, this
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of the week. I went to the Colts Packers game
in was that week two? I think that was week two,
(15:03):
and I tweeted it out. And again I don't profess
to have the ability to watch a quarterback in college
and understand what skills translate.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I have opinions, but I'm not gonna sit here, and
I know a lot of people in our in my chair,
and when I say in my chair, not my particular chair,
but other radio shows whatever, they speak with authority about
things that we don't really know all that much about,
you know, unless you've been in the front office, unless
you've been a scout, like Middlekoff wasn't a high level scout,
(15:39):
but like look, once you've done scouting, you have a
good feel. Obviously, Daniel Jeremiah was a college quarterback's He's
been an analyst for a long time. Plus he has connections,
so he uses his own thoughts, own intuition, and then
runs it by people in the NFL and comes up
with I'm sure his own personal opinion. My opinion is generally,
when I tell you what I think of somebody. It's
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generally either one I've seen them in person, or two
I've talked to a bunch of people. It's not I
watched somebody on TV and he can't really totally tell.
I watched Anthon Richardson play against Packers and I thought,
that's not an NFL quarterback, you know, and they were
and I know also those Shane Steikeen's a really good
play caller. He was with the Chargers, he was with
the Eagles, and I think he is with the Colts.
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So if he can't now guys up or there were
plenty of guys open, but he couldn't see him. So
not as a pristunner to me that Anthony Richardson was
bench Joe flat Coos con to start.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Here's Anthie Richardson.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Remember this was him after the game on Sunday when
asked about his poor completion percentage and why he deserves
to be the starting quarterback.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
You know, I could play football, you know, I've been
doing it my whole life. You know, I don't necessarily
look at numbers. And they said Vic didn't have a
great completion percentage the first couple of years, you know,
and he's probably one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever
do it. So I don't necessarily look at numbers, you know,
I just look at each play, you know, for itself,
because you know, I don't have the ability to control
every single things that happen every play, and I can
only control what I can control, and I'm just trying
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to do my part out there. So if my numbers
are low and he just low, has you got to
pick him up and you got to play better.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, I just it's it's if you watch he he
doesn't see it. He's got some tunnel vision. I mean, look,
it's it's the perfect example. We say this to when
we're meeting about recruits. You know, don't find me the
best athletes, find me the best basketball players. And Anthony
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Richardson checks so many boxes, you know, doesn't have any
outfield issues. Very very young, so you feel like and
a lot of times when you see young people like, wow,
he's really really young, Like and the thought when you
draft a guy that young is, well, he's at an
age where he's going to develop and he's going to
learn and he's gonna improve more rapidly. But it's just
really hard to get guys to see when they can't
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see and then he's just not accurate. John Mentalcoff joins
this three and now podcast plus the Courses, A former
NFL scout, joints here on the Doug Otleig Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Where were you and Anthony Richardson when
he came out of Florida?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
You know, I like taking big swings, and after the
combine talking to buddies that had interviewed him during the process,
they really liked the kid and thought that it was
worth the risk, you know. So I mean, when you
get a guy with that arms, trenk, that speed, that athleticism,
I'm willing to take chances on that. I mean that
I was around Coach Hill at Fresno States that had
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to do that because they weren't some Power five program,
And then Andy Reid has made a living off stuff
like that, So I'm inclined to do it when you
know the character and the competitive character checks. And I
think everyone, all the former players are crushing him for
tapping out, and that's my first reaction. But I texted
with like number two for a really good team, and
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he said, listen, it's easy to crush him right now.
But he's twenty two years old. He barely played his
entire length. So it's not like this guy has one
hundred starts in high school in college. He was hurt
in high school, he was hurt in college. And so
like I do think there's a chance that he actually
is a very competitive guy that he almost doesn't even
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know what he doesn't even know if you looked at
him more like a freshman or sophomore in college, Like,
I don't think we would judge a college kid as
crazy as we're judging this situation. But once he does it,
given how hard I mean, every time I looked up
at that game, Jonathan Taylor's running his butt off, their
defense was playing really hard hitting CJ. Stroud that they
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have their worst quarterbacks that's stressed out on the field.
So I think there's just a black and white football
decision that like we're trying to win these games because
we have a playoff level roster in our opinion to mention,
but I don't think this is the end of the
world for the guy. But like that also can't happen,
so that it was a pretty crazy situation, especially when
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you factor in part of the reason he's in because
he's the number we'll pick, not because he's the best quarterback.
So there are so many variables here. It's a unique situation.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
No question about it. Doug gotlib show here on Fox
Sports for you. John Mintalcoff's our guest. He goes to
three and Out podcast. It's out stands on the Volume
podcast network. What did you see from Russell Wilson last night?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Well, he's definitely expanded their explosive passing games. And you know,
I don't think his arms as strong as it was
in the prime of his career. Clearly he entered. Threw
a couple of balls last night, but he still throws
a very, very catchable beat ball. And we have George Pickens,
who clearly a freak. You know, just throw him up,
let him make plays. We've seen Jefferson for years be
a contributing member. They have a good tight end, their
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running backs are playing well. The Austin returner who had
obviously the punt return and the touchdown catch, like is
a vertical threat. So like they haven't really had that
since Rothsburger, and really even the last couple of years
of Roethlisberger, he couldn't push the ball down the field, So,
like I didn't think that he would look like this.
He's been way better than I think most people around
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the NFL thought. But he clearly throws the ball a
lot better than the guy they benched. So Tomlin, it's
like a baseball game, right if you pitch hit the
guy and he strikes out, the manager gets crushed. But
he comes in hits one off the wall, and you
take the lead in the eighth inning. The manager's a genus.
So you got to get tom the credit. It looks
like a pretty good move because they definitely upgraded.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
They did, and I was, I've always been I've been
a doubt over the last three or four years. But
he threw a couples that ball to Pickings. You know,
they were talking about what a great route it was,
but what an incredible throw you know where I mean Pickings.
It hit him in stride over his shoulder, you know,
kind of in traffic there.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
And that was about the touchdown pass where it didn't count,
but he got both. He got the same foot down
twice like they just weren't really doing it and they
got overturned. They ended up kicking a field goal. But
like that play was not happening three weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's the best incomplete reception I've ever seen.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Do you do you think obviously two foot totally like
you should have.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
But to right foot tap, are you like you're gonna
tell me two right foot tap should equal two feet?
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Well, I think if you get the same foot down
multiple times, that goes back up to me. That was
a catch, Like there are something like is it a
catch or not? Like that's a catch.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
It was a catch, but you have to have both
feet down. I mean again, it's just a rule, you know.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
But very impressive, very impressive.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
It was. It was, and you know it's one of
those things.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Pickings has been a pain in the ass, but you
can like you probably would be too if you didn't
have anybody could throw you the football.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
And wonder too, like are they you know, the Giants
aren't exactly you know, the Bill Parcells nineteen ninety squad,
But the last two weeks, the ferocity and violence in
which they're running the ball. I wonder if they're running
backs have more confidence because they feel the offense gonna
be better. Their offensive line, which has been a question mark,
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just has a little more juice to one because from
just a power running game. I mean, I've been watching
Najie Harrison high school. You know, I think he's been
a little underwhelming in the pros. He looks he looks
pretty darn good. Weo Jalen Warren. I mean, that's that's
an incredible change of paceback. You know, it's kind of
like a little off Mechler version of a younger player.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, yep, i'd agree.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Stut Gottlieb Show. This is Fox Sports Radio. John Middlecoff
is our guest man. There's a bunch of other stuff.
Let's let's go to the Cowboys. You know, I understand
this season feels like it's slipping away because of injuries,
and maybe they can get it back in time. But
they re signed Dak Prescott, and I don't know, every
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time they really really need him, it feels like he
throws a couple of picks and sets him back. I mean,
I just what it feels like Groundhog Day again in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Yeah, I mean it's I can't put this the entirety
of this season on him. Yeah it's but but I
hear you. He has played the Niners now four straight times,
right in two playoff games and then two massive regular
season games both on Sunday Night Football and then the
two playoff games. They basically had the equal team. Last
year was a mismatch, you know, in the Sunday night game,
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but on Sunday Night like the Niners were. The only
difference is the Niners and Cowboys. Their owner doesn't talk
like they were in shambles two and he has thrown
eight interceptions in those four games against the forty nine ers,
and they aren't just you know, that was an unlucky
pit pass by defensive tackle that bounced off a due's helmet.
They are hitting guys in the hands. Sometimes it's stride.
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I mean he had thrown I think of those eight,
at least three or four of those are lollypap pops
to the safety who cuts across the middle of the field.
And it's just it cannot happen. Like your team might
be under man it's going to be very tough to
win the game. But like they got very lucky to
win the Steelers game when he was turning the ball
over at a rap and rate and against the forty
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nine Ers, they just were not going to win that
game on the road with their defensive injuries. If he
had multiple turnos and he immediately throws a pick that
starts the game. They come out in the second half.
I think the score is thirteen to ten, and he
throws a pick on their first drive and then you
know it's already on the Niners half the field and
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they marked out of course twenty to tenth for even
blank and to me, that's killing them obviously. You know,
I think the universal take on his careers he's never
been a top five quarterback. But when he plays well,
he can be a really good starter. He just you
can't afford to turn the ball over like he does.
And finally, just against the Niners, right like last year
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against the Packer game, he just he just kind of
unravels sometimes in these games. That is just and maybe
that's the reason why we why such a polarizing player.
But his contractor isn't polarizing. It's premium. I mean, he's
paid like he's Lebron James or show Heyo time relative
to the NFL players. So yeah, just not an ideal.
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I mean, if you're a Cowboy fan, I think you
have to kind of acknowledge like this has got a
chance to be seven and ten, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I mean that's what Yeah, looking at right, it's they
look awful.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Remember that's that's a defense.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Now now is the defense? Is it?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
And obviously they have some injuries, But how much of
it is that Zimmer style is like you you lost,
dan Quinn. I think that's the bigges thing you lost
dan Quinn.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Yeah, clearly.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, Now everybody likes Zimmer.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Everybody likes Zimmer, But how much of it is just
their defensive styles are so polar opposite or different that
that it's it's like it's like you come to my
house and trying to, you know, turn on my TV
and find my you know, find my channels.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
I think it's very difficult to transition when you've been successful.
I also think obviously every human being is different, but
I would put dan Quinn and Mike Zimmer, in terms
of coaching style and personalities, on the opposite ends of
the spectrum. I don't think when you have a style
that is very predicated on wlitzing linebackers and pressure, well,
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Eric Kendricks is an old, slower player now, so when
you were blitzing him when he was much younger and
they just had better personnel, it looked a lot better
if you gave Fred Warner to Mike Zimmer. I think
his defense would be pretty effective when he was with
the Bengals as a coordinator before he became a head coach,
Like they had big time defensive personnel. Well, it doesn't
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work the same with the Cowboys when your d tackles
aren't any good. So part of the reason they consistently
get gashed is they can't, you know, even pretend to
hold the point of attack, and then they get put
in these positions where they're just getting leaned on. And
to me, that like run defense. Yeah, in high school maybe,
and even in college effort obviously, but in the pros,
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like you either got good defensive lineman or to go.
I mean, all these guys are trying pretty hard. And
to me, without and Micah, let's face it, he's not
like some run defender. But to me, the run defense
utually stark with the defense tackles, and definitely your edge
guy's being able to just to hold the point and
they simply cannot. So like remember Dan quint stole some
of their guys with them to Dallas. Like Dallas is
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just a way less deep team now in terms of
some of the auxiliary, not the stars, but you know,
just solid starters for years. I mean they played for Washington.
I think if you watch Washington, obviously they're one of
the sexiest stories of the league, but part of it
you watched him, Like, I think they got pretty solid players. Yeah,
I mean they signed a bunch of just good free agents,
(28:31):
not stars, but you have to overpay a little free agency.
But they just got a lot of guys that you're like, yeah,
that kind of start from my team.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Did you see the decline of Aaron Rodgers coming?
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Uh? Yeah, I think anytime you get a forty year
old player like Lebron and Tom Brady are historic outliers.
Most guys. Honestly, if you just look at Tom Brady
relative to his peers, he's dramatically different. Right, fell off
a cliff. Roethlisberger fell off a cliff. Peyton Manny literally,
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I mean after like the first drive or two in
a game. He couldn't throw that last year, and that's
most of our lifetime now. Obviously, medicine and rehabilitation and
diets and all these things have made it easier, but
like he can't really move and the other thing, Doug
and you and me, I mean, have been talking about
this guy, probably have been supporting him when people were
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coming after him over his career, just because the guys
I mean in the peak of his powers. I wasn't
old enough to quite feel Lway and Marino in their prime,
but like he was that he had it all. And
now he throws these passes because he doesn't want to
get hit. He's not stepping into anything. Nothing is with authority,
and it's not I talked to a buddy the other
(29:50):
day in the NFL. They're like, you could get right
now Vinnie Testaverdi or Dan Marino or take him out
to a high school football field and have them throw
a dart. Like his arms always gonna work, but he
doesn't want to get hit, so he's always falling back.
He can't scramble anymore, which was his like you know,
I mean that was his.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
That was that was the superpower.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
So it's like, if he can't scramble and he doesn't
want to get hit, it's to me that the pass
is coming out. He throws more now of these like Lollipop, unconfident,
just kind of throws it into places that he never
did before because he used to step in or just
had more arm power and trust his leg and part
of it doesn't look like a guy who's I don't
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think he's like thinking about his achilles constantly, but he's
a little sensitive to that area. He plops down on
the ground more, which is understandable. And the Jets like
their downfall is as much him as it is. I mean,
they're coaching staffs terrible. You can't create a team full
of mercenaries in the NFL. I mean, hell, it barely
works in basketball, right He usually takes like the Suns
(30:57):
this year looked way better than they did last year. Well,
they also like Kevin Durant right now, way better than
Aaron Rott. You do need your best player to be
elite if you are going to go to the mercenary route.
And still in the sport of football, I would say
it's still very, very difficult to overcome the lack of
quote unquote cohesion and chemistry.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
No question about it. Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. That's the voice of one John Middelkoff. John,
last thing, can you figure out the Ravens for me?
Or or is the story jamis? I don't know, but
like the Ravens dominate the league, lose to the Raiders,
lose to the Browns.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
You know, I was thinking of watching the Steelers last
night because I looked at both their schedules and both
teams didn't get to play Deshaun Watson. So the four
games that the Ravens and the Steelers have to play
against the Browns, like they just become a competent team, right,
especially at home, Like that's not And I would say
the Ravens, unlike the Steelers, like their past defense is
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is terrible. So like if both those two teams would
have to Shaun Watson, I think most people would be like,
that's four to zero and at best it would be
one to three, and it would be considered a massive upset.
But like you watch the Browns, like that's a tough
place to play. You hear those right that ten the
where the fans fit and they bang on it and
they get a little life, like they do have really
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good players. So I think the Ravens past defense has
been bad all season. But like the Browns, if they
just get middle of the road quarterback play, let alone
a guy willing to kind of flinging around like that,
they could be kind of a swing team in that division,
not because I mean they're out of it, but just
what if they beat the Steelers or you know, beat
the Ravens again, Right, that was something that didn't exist
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before Deshaun pop that Achilles. So to me, you could
argue it's a little more about the Browns just being
one of those teams is gonna end up with probably
six seven wins, probably not seven. I guess they got
a long way to go, but they are going to
beat some people because I mean they were playing their
butt off, and we know in that division. I mean
all six of those games Bengals included are just a knockdown,
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drag out.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Listen, I think the same thing happened to the Browns
that happened to the Steelers, where all of a sudden,
now they had competent quarterback play and the defensive line
was better, and the run game was better.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Guys are playing hard.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
It's human nature, right, Yeah, if you're doing anything, especially professionally,
and you're like, we're going to know what's the point
of this, and then all of a sudden it's like, Okay,
I believe in this. It's just you just get more
light you know, win or lose. These players are humans.
So yeah, I saw the Browns. If I'm a Browns fan,
I'm sick to my stomach because I go listen. Oh
(33:34):
we win the Super Bowl with Jamis No, but could
we have competed for a wild card? If that's how
we're gonna look?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Hell yeah, I don't think that. I don't think it's
still out of the question. That's John Middlecoff three and
now it's the podcast, John and the Best. Appreciate you
joining us.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
A lot up a stuck out of the show.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Fox Sports Radio. Every day of this time, we turn
over to Dan Buyer. We play a game.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Hey, Danny B.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
What do you got, Doug? The game today is rank them?
All right, Doug. We do this every week, but ranked
the top three teams of the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
That's a great question. Okay, I know one and two
are the question is three. By the way, I'm already
gonna maya copa. I questioned the Lions and what they
would do this year, and I'm just we're halfway through.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
And you know, maybe buyer's remorse.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I have buyers. Yeah, I mean they're really good and
they're fun to watch too.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I like them Chiefs one, Lions two, and uh, you know,
I'm gonna put the Green Bay pack curse three.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Okay. I proclaimed on my Sunday show that the NFC
Championship game will be the Lions and Packers.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
It was pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Dog rank your top top three Joe Flacco memories.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Joe flakau, I would, I mean, winning a super Bowl's
got to be number one, right, win a super Bowl?
I thought last year though, when they won the playoff game,
it was the playoff game win he was talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Or is that this No?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Is this year the Yeah, they made it to the playoffs.
Last year they lost to the Texans in that playoff game.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
But I know a lot more about Joe Flacco than
I probably should. You know, he started his career at Pittsburgh,
they went to Delaware.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
He did I share the same birthday you guys do? Yes?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Happy birthday do you both? That's pretty cool. That's really cool,
very cool.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I would say this year when he that first game
that he won. When he came into and he was
talking about his that he like scored cool points with
his kids. That was like those three just kind of
regular Joe. I mean, obviously to those of us who
have been in this business, the constant is Joe Flacco elite.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yes, okay, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Number two, and then Joe Flaco win the Super Bowls
number one.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Okay, bonus question.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Yes, what's Stan Byer's birthday?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Doug, I actually know this. I think it's around mine.
Why do I think it's around mind? Why do I
think it's like January?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Don't worry. We've only worked together for seven and a
half years.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I want to say, like it's the seventeenth or the sixth,
Mine's the fifteenth. I want to say it's the seventeenth
of January.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
It is the sixteenth of January.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I missed it. But how did I miss that?
Speaker 4 (36:41):
I don't know. Actually, I wonder myself.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Sorry, and I'm sorry, Dan. I knew it was January.
I just in my head it popped up eighteenth. I
was like, no, it's really close to mine, and I
was like seventeenth. I just couldn't get off of seventeenth
in my head.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
My Wikipedia stub could have told you that. By the way,
if anybody wants to expand my Wikipedia page, feel free
to do so. It's there for you. All right, Doug
rank your How about this Top three things to do
in Stillwater? Since we'll all be there, sorry, Iowa Sam
on Monday taking in the Green Bay, Oklahoma state season opener, Doug,
Top three things to do when we're in Stillwater. Coming
(37:18):
up this weekend, going to Eskimo jost.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Has got to be one. Yeah, gotta be one, man.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
There's just not number two, nothing, number three, nothing, football game.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
I mean, it's just, yeah, you go to the football game. Well,
actually this weekend, Friday night is the walk around. That'd
be number one. It's homecoming. It's Tradish Tradish, It's amazing.
Saturday is homecoming. That would be two, and then Eskimo
Joe's would be three. In reality, Friday night, if you
guys are getting out there then is pretty awesome.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
We'll be at Eskimo Joe's on Monday Live with this show.
Can't wait, as part Scott would say, and that's good.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Game.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
All right, coming up next to the Dug Gottlieb Show
get Ready for the World Series.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Sorry,
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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