November 1, 2024 • 44 mins
On this version of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about what went right for the Jets in their win Thursday night, and gets into the Malachi Corley ball drop at the goal line.
FSR Betting analyst Jared Smith joins the show to go over all of the important sports wagering for the weekend.
Doug welcomes former big league All-Star Matt Holliday onto the show to talk about the Dodgers World Series Championship.
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You know.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Late Toby Keith is a good friend of mine, and
he had a song probably about fifteen years ago that says,
I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm
as good once as I ever was. And it wasn't
a virtuoso in the first half, matter of fact, it
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was super super ugly. But in the second half, Aaron
Rodgers was pretty damn outstanding. I mean, even the most
ardent Aaron Rodgers hater out there were like he made
some throws that were pretty good and they end up
winning a game which I was wrong about, helped at
least slightly by the fact that the Houston Texans kicker
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missed was a Cali fuarburn. He missed a chip shot
and kind of everything fell apart after that. Here's Jetster
interim coach Jeff Olbrich discussing the win.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
A really cool game for this team, man, after three
weeks of a lot of adversity, a lot of stepbacks,
some self imposed for them to have the resilienc scene
to come back and played the way they did against
a really good opponent, it's probable.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Here is Aaron Rodgers after the game.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
Kind of season on the line there in the second half.
Obviously we wouldn't have been mathematically eliminated, but mentally to
go to two and seven would have been real tough.
Hopefully it's kipt this confidence so that we can be anybody,
because we feel like we could. The way we played
on offense in the second half is the way we've
been kind of waiting for this offense to wake up.
And I know obviously I was, you know, close to
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perfection as I needed to be, but that's the standard
I need to play at.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, I mean, look, he had thirty seven yards passing
at the half, and he played really well in the
second half. Maybe the biggest takeaway there's two deegaways in
the game.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
First is now I got let's go with three. Here's
the tegaways. One.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Aaron Rodgers ain't as good as he once was, but
he's as good once as he ever was, and Adams amazing.
There's some other throws that were outstanding, and a lot
of this is we talked about it this week about
the ratio of things. You know, when you're in your prime,
four out of five games you're incredible. When you're at
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the end of it, there's like one out of five
games you're incredible. And it's how often you can be
just solid to above average, because there's going to be
a stinker, and they'll occur more often the older that
you are.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
It makes sense, right, So that's the first takeaway. The
second one is that.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Something wrong with the Texans, whether it's the injuries to
the wide receivers or whether it's the fact their offensive
line's not good.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
There's some regression from CJ. Stroud. Here's CJ. Stroud after
the game.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
You know it'll come out here on Primesive game and
you know get embarrassed like that is never fun. And
you know, I believe, you know, we have to be
better in a lot of areas, you know, and that
starts with me. You know, I think those players. I
gotta make girls, I gotta make you know times I
got to sit in the pocket and just trust my guys.
So I really point the finger at me and realize,
you know, I got to be better as a football player.
And you know, if we want to win, this is
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not the rest before. We got to learn how to dominate.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
That's what you're supposed to sound like, even when it's
not your fault. That's how you're supposed to sound. So
if anybody says, like, well why are you so, why
do you guys get such a big hit like there's
a starting quarterback, he's in his second year, and whether
any of the issues are his, the offensive lines, the
play calling, there was none of.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
This did everybody Else's why CJ.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Stroud's a stud leads you to believe he'll be fine,
but he's not playing fine. He's playing rushed. He mentioned trust,
and there's some issues there with that team. The last
takeaway is, well, I know that Jason Stewart just can't
stand it.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
It's how many times are we going to see that
Malachi Corley play?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
How many times?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
How many times malcol Corley is going into the end
zone and he drops the ball right as he crosses
the plane of the end zone, And you know, like, look,
we're in the political season. So every four years, our
commercials are dominated by political ads, and most of them
outside the presidential ones are fairly tame. You know, you're
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talking about people's policies and whatever. But every four years
you learned something about people like I had no idea,
that's no idea. But you know, I can't blame it
on I can't blame it on this generation because it's
happened for twenty years. Like I've been in the media
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for twenty one years. Twenty one years, and every year
somebody drops a football before they go in the inZone.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Here's Kirk Krbstreet in real time on the play.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
What in that heck is he thinking?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Why the urgency for some of these kids to drop
the ball before they even if it's close what we
finished play.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Here's Jeff Ulbrick, the head coach of the interim head coach,
about the play after the game.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
First of all, you can't do that, And second of all, Yo,
what's one. Definitely frustrated, you know, to be honest and
angry at the same time, But what an amazing opportunity
for this kid to grow and learn from. You know,
I promise you ten years from now, when he's still
playing in this league, that will never happen again.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Well, I mean it won't happen to him, But for
whatever reason, it happens every year. Right, Dan, You've been
doing this twenty years. I'm guessing that if we we
draw our memory, it feels like every year. This happens,
literally every year college or pro somebody drops the ball
before they go in the end zone.
Speaker 9 (06:43):
Dunner feels like it's every week. I mean, it happened
in Orgon, right, didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Didn't Orgon kid do it? An organ game?
Speaker 9 (06:51):
Yeah? And I was even thinking of last week and
Kyle Pitts kind of went into the end zone late,
you know, in a lazy fashion, and Anton win Field
almost stripped him of the ball at the goal line.
They couldn't get a real good review of it. But yeah,
it seems to be every single week, whether it be
in college or the NFL, that someone does this. It
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feels that way. I know it's not that much, but
it just it feels like it's way more common now.
Speaker 10 (07:19):
When when the coach what's the name, coach Olbrook, when
he says that that's never going to happen again, that
implies intent. Dan, do you think he did it on purpose?
Do you think these players do it on purpose?
Speaker 9 (07:33):
I think they do it to show boat. I think
that gets their way of dropping the ball. Ain't no thing.
I'm in the end zone. Time to party. I do
my stuff. That's what I think.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It is my working hypotheses again, because I don't know
hypotheses theories when it's proven. My working hypotheses is guys.
And yes, I don't know if it's showboat or celebrate
or whatever. Probably a little bit of both. But it's
that you lose your mind. You like see the end
zone and you just lose your mind, like out of
body experience. You know, was Rod Tidwell right? Was not
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the character that Cuba Gooding Junior played in uh Jerry
Maguire remember at the end, he's in the end zone
and he just starts dancing and he never dances, but
he's just overcome by the emotion of the moment. He
starts crying and blowing kisses to his wife and his
son on TV.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
You just remember that, like.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
It's a real thing that dudes just lose their mind,
just all that dopamine at once and you lose your
Do you buy that at all?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Jason?
Speaker 10 (08:33):
Well, I mean, so your your theory implies that it's accidental.
And I'm with Dan on this. It's some kind of
showboding mood move. I just don't understand how or why
they could justify it. And these players, By the way,
Kyle Pitts wasn't asked about it Sunday. This kid was
not available for interview last night. I need one one answer.
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Why do you do that?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Well, I mean I think I think I think it's
pretty obvious. I don't know. Do you think he meant
to do it?
Speaker 10 (09:06):
That's what Dan thinks, That's what I think.
Speaker 9 (09:07):
Yeah, I think he meant to. He didn't mean to fumble,
but I felt like he wanted to start whatever his
celebration was going to be at that point. And the
celebration could be look at me, or I'm gonna skip
in the end zone or do whatever, and this ball
is only going to hamper what I'm about to drop
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on these fans. And by the way, again, no big thing,
no big deal, just take this ball whatever, All right,
you guys can have it. Here's the real show. That's
what I feel it is, Sam. I agree with Dan.
I think it's partly that.
Speaker 11 (09:45):
I also think it's maybe like bliss or euphoria induced
kind of carelessness. Is it like you're in a blur,
you're running over the line and you just you were
careless because you should have just held onto it for
another half a second.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It really is crazy, though, Like every time we see it,
we're like, oh man, how they do it? It happens
all the time. I don't understand. I really don't understand.
I thought the whole idea of guys they want to celebrate,
Why are they dropping the ball? I guess to go
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celebrate more quickly without the foot I just don't get it.
Speaker 10 (10:21):
This reminds me, I'm sorry, Dan, it reminds me say
one of your players hits a three or takes a
three and then starts running back the other way like
Steph Curry and the ball comes off and if he's
just followed a shot, it could it would have been
a rebound or something. Yeah, it's like one of those
show boat moves. In the moment, I'm going to emphasize
this play by showboating. I think that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
No, Yeah, except for remember you have to actually score first,
so it does.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I get your thing.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
And it's like the Kemba Walker, right, wasn't it Kemba
who famously when he was in sharp he had the
ball around and round round and then he turned around
and then went out.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
He thought it went in.
Speaker 9 (11:05):
Yeah, swaggy p two. Yeah, there's just this, there's no
the the extreme is, obviously the other side is Barry
Sanders handing the ball to the referee. Sure, and I
don't know why a player wouldn't wouldn't make their thing. Say,
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my thing is when I score, I go on, I
take the football and I put it next to the goalpost.
You know that's there. They'll never fumble because guess what
their thing is. You can't wait to see you run
and put the football by the goal post. That's should
be their thing. But for some reason, as well. And listen,
this guy hasn't scored any touchdowns in the NFL. And
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and what Oldbrook is saying is that you know, ten
years in your career, no, you'll never get that touchdown
back then thing will bother you till the day you die.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I had no question, I mean, And and it was
on Thursday Night football, so it's standalone games. Yeah, saw it,
And I mean a perfect example is everybody calls it
the DeShawn Jackson Deshaun Jackson, right and d Jacks he
did it once or twice.
Speaker 9 (12:16):
I know he did it in the pros, and I
can't remember. I thought there was a cal Oregon game
where there was something that that happened of similar DILK
but I could be wrong, but I know what happened
in Dallas against the Cowboys, and I just there's also
there's also like the point of like you crossed the
finish line and you think you are in the end zone,
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like you think you may think that you're three yards in,
but your body is still you know, the back half
of the body or where your football is or where
your arm is completely different scenario from from where you
actually are on the field. Still doesn't give you a
reason to let it go.
Speaker 11 (12:56):
It's that blissful blur.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
This is the this is the other, this is the
other crap we're talking about with the New York Jets.
To be honest with you, like they had no Doug
And I know you pointed out some of the things
that went wrong with the Texans, but they had no
business losing last week to the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
None. Yeah, absolutely zero.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And listen, this is that's a great pointment. Go ahead,
I'll let you make it and then I'll back up.
Speaker 9 (13:19):
But it's the point of too of like why why
would you try to bet on the NFL when crap
like this happens? Like all like do you want to
talk about points? Spreads? The whole deal. Now, in the
end didn't matter last night, but I guarantee you in
the next four times that it does, it's probably going
to matter again.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well I would I wouldn't take it into the betting thing.
I would take it as the This is where this
is where Aaron Rodgers is probably right. It was it
was in the way in which he made it public
that he shouldn't have said it. He talked about being
accountability because even look at last night right, give away
a touchdown there, and then I mean, obviously they're very
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fortunate that the Texans missed the field goal. But what
happened was they kick a field goal and but they
just ran over the long snapper.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So they got a chance to score a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
If the Texans were decent, all they score a touchdown,
they're totally different game. And the Texans were completely outplayed
by the Jets.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And yet they Jets just gave away points.
Speaker 9 (14:17):
Yeah, another.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Like it's a and everyone told me in the NFL
last year. They're like, yeah, they're just they're not a
discipline team at all. And here's the thing that's on
Robert Sala, that's on their GM as well. Hey, where
they just have not held guys accountable. It's the only
reason stuff, Like everyone I know knows you can't run
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over the long snapper. I never played high level, high
level college football. I know that rule, And like why
do you do it?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
You do it because you like discipline. And you could say, well, this.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Is a uh, this is a one off sort of deal.
Like no, now, now that team has no discipline at all,
and they're riding the wave of the fact that the
Texans are kind of a mess right now. And Aaron
Rodgers played high level Aaron Rodgers and they have some playmakers.
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The defense is talented but not disciplined. That dog won't hunt.
So my take is on as far as Vegas concerned,
is just fade the Jets. Eventually the Jets will Jets.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
That's the way I would look at it.
Speaker 11 (15:31):
Yes, Sammy, what would be the fallout if they had
lost this game by like a touchdown or wes?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Would he be cut?
Speaker 10 (15:38):
Do you think?
Speaker 9 (15:40):
I mean?
Speaker 11 (15:40):
They won the game, so it like it's still a
very glaring, egregious air he made. But if they had
lost and maybe this time, yeah, that's a real.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Team, does that? Real team goes like ah, and real
team actually cuts him when you win.
Speaker 9 (15:55):
I'll tell you we got some good feedback. The Raven
Rises tweets in it's their way of dropping them mind,
which I completely agree with. Our buddy Gary Hopwood says,
it reminds me of one of runners in first place
and slows down and then the second place person crosses
the finish line in first.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Isn't there that video?
Speaker 9 (16:13):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
The Olympics was the World Championships where it's like racewalking Yeah,
she's like celebrated in Spain. She's like celebrating all of
a sudden, this other girl just comes boat races are
She's like, oh, oh no, Only she didn't say, oh no,
that's go call Gary.
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I know the Yankees aren't a great defensive team, right,
And it's interesting because you and I have talked about
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makeups of baseball teams, but the fifth inning, how much
of that is who they really are?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
How much of that is the pressure of the moment.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
Well, I think that the guys that made mistakes aren't
necessarily known for their defense. But I mean, Aaron Judge
catches that ball in one hundred and ninety nine times
out of two hundred, the weird ground ball to first,
I mean, I think Garrett Cole gets over on that ball.
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But I also think a healthy you know, maybe a
more in his prime. Maybe Anthony Rizzo gets over gets
that ball and is able to get to the base.
You know, the play at shortstop. I mean, you know,
he probably overdid it trying to get that out at
third right there. Jazz Chism's not like he hasn't played
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third his whole career, so you know, it was a
tough catch, But that's not really a position that he's played,
so he's playing out of position. Aaron Judge is more
of a corner outfielder. So look, I think it's a
combination of probably a little bit of both trying a
little too hard and you know, a situation where you
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have defenders that aren't necessarily high level defenders at their
position at this time. So I think, you know, it's
one of those things where, yeah, I think if they
played that anying over, I don't think it would happen
the same way. But it was like a perfect storm
of errors.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It was well, maybe what's more impressive, I think partially
from their perspective, but also from the Dodgers They retook
the lead. It wasn't like it was five nothing, then
it was five to five, and then the Dodgers won
ten five. They go up six five, and then the
Dodgers fought back again. I thought that was maybe the
most unlikely part about it was that the Yankees, though
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obviously you know Garrett Cole, you I watched him when
they took the ball from him, when Aaron Boone took
the ball from You could see just his deflation, especially
with the play at first base, even though it was
like an inning and a half later. But I guess
the part of it is the game wasn't over then,
it it maybe just kind of restarted.
Speaker 13 (19:09):
Then.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
Yeah, I would say that John Smoltz pointed out the
Garrett Cole rallying, rallying back for another inning and two
thirds after an inning like that, I thought was impressive.
I thought for him to come back out and then
and then hold the hold the line at five to five,
they get back up six to five, and the momentum
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shifts back to the Yankees, you know, and they're feeling
pretty good about themselves, and you know, but then I
think that's where you saw the fatigue of the Yankees
bullpen sort of kick in and and the lack of
I guess high quality depth. I would say at the
Yankees back into their bullpen. I mean, you know, Luke
Weaver was pitching on his third day, and and and
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the one you know lighter wasn't even on the roster
to start the playoffs. And so I think that that
showed a little bit of of the underbelly of of
uh maybe you know where they where. They quite weren't
up to snuff with the Dodgers as far as the
bullpen goes. So uh, yeah, I was impressed that they
didn't sort of fold up shop and and uh and
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and able to get the lead back. But you know,
I just think the better team ultimately ended up winning.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
What what about this Dodger team impressed you as a
guy who's won a World.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Series before, you know, I think their lack of well,
their lack of starting you know, pitching depth, you know
that was so depleted by injury, and you know, for
them to be able to piece it together basically with
with a lot of bullpen guys, and Walker Beeler has
not pitched well this year, and Jack Clarty has been
a little bit of a journeyman lately and has been
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up and down, and was up and down in the playoffs.
For them to be able to win a World Series
without a I would say even really a number one
or a number two type of pitcher. In reality, I
think it's pretty odd, And so the idea that they
were able to piece it together on the mound and
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their superstars showed up in big moments, and that's where
it goes back to their they're guys that they pay
a lot of money to produce, and then you have
you have guys like keyk Hernandez that play welly well
in the playoffs and Tommy Edmund And it's always going
to take unsung heroes to come through and play big
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roles in in order World Series championship. But I was
impressed that they were able to do that without a
real dominant age pitcher.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Do you think, well, what are your thoughts in the
twenty twenty the COVID World Series? What are your thoughts
on the people who have kind of invalidated that because
sixty game season, no true road games, and obviously a
vastly different season and playoffs from what we've seen before,
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and said, yeah, I.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
Mean, I think there's definitely an asterisk next to that one,
just because it was so odd. Now they were the
best team that year, and so they want it, and
they were better than everybody else. So I think that
that is obviously necessary of recognition and reward. But I
do think that it was obviously, like you said, a strange,
I mean, incredibly like something we've never seen before in
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this world.
Speaker 10 (22:24):
And so.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
It does make for you know, kind of a okay,
they want into twenty twenty, but you know, this is
what happened. We only played this many games and the
World Series was in Texas, and you know, it was
such a strange season. I don't think that that takes
away the fact that they were the best team that year,
and that's really hard to do in the major leagues,
no matter how many games you're playing. But I do
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think this this sort of you know, puts them, you know,
and where you say, yeah, this was you know, the
you know, sort of the normal championship or however you
want to say it. But I don't want to take
anything away from that year. But there was you know
a lot of factors. It wasn't one hundred and sixty
two games, and it wasn't played in a traditional playoff situation,
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and there were no fans, and there was no road games,
and you know, or you know, sort of no road
fans and the playoffs were strange. So I do think
that that's at least worth acknowledging. But yeah, I think
that you know that the idea that this puts, you know,
sort of that talk to Bed, I think is probably right.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I look at it, d Option, I like, I agree
with you whole hardly on twenty twenty. I just don't
see any correlations in twenty twenty twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
You know, well a lot of the players are different.
I mean, I agree with that, but I mean I
think that you know, it's it's yeah, I mean teams,
it doesn't even carry over year to year, you know.
I mean I think that you know, the Dodgers have
to restart next year. I mean, they're were a whole
They're going to have, you know, it's a whole new year.
Every year is is a whole new team chemistry, it's
a whole new you know, it's just every every year
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it's so different. So I don't really think that either
are connected either. But as far as like franchise championships
and whether we're counting twenty twenty or not, is like
towards the organizational prowess. I think, you know, at least
it's worth acknowledging that it was a strange season.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Jace, do you want to get on this.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
Yeah, let me add just one thing. Everything Matt has said,
I almost agree with verbatim. This is where the context
of the twenty twenty four championship I think makes sense
to at least Dodger fans. Andrew Friedman's been here what
ten years, and each year that went by without him
winning like a legitimate championship, it kind of made his
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accomplishments kind of hollow. Man. He built his team, and
he built up the farm system, and he brought in
all these names, but they just weren't finishing the deal.
So that twenty twenty championship was such an iceore. So
now that he's won like a legitimate one and this
team came through for the finally, I think this just
kind of validates that twenty twenty one a little bit more,
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as opposed to it just being the one championship the
Dodgers won in this in this era, that would have
been a bad. Look. Does that make sense?
Speaker 8 (25:12):
Yeah, I mean I agree with that. I think that. Look,
I think it's hard to argue. I mean, they obviously
have a payroll where they can they can spend, and
he's he's being able to go out and get amazing
fre agence. But they've done an incredible job of drafting
at the bottom of the first round and developing pitching
depths and impact pitchers. You know, like I said earlier,
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the injuries that you can't really predict as a GM.
You know, you try to set up as much much
depth as you possibly can, and then you know, knowing
that there's going to be injuries. But I mean, he's
done an incredible job, and I get it, like you know,
as a fan base, you say, well, where's the championships
and now you've got this one and you've got twenty
twenty and so or twenty twenty one whatever year that was.
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But yeah, I mean I look, I'm not a huge
like Dodgers fan like you are, so you know, I
don't necessarily look at it through the same lenses as
far as that goes. But yeah, I mean I agree
that this sort of says Okay, yeah, now under his tenure,
they have two championships, and you can say whatever you
want about the one that was a short season, but
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now you know they have two, and that sort of solidifies,
you know, what a great job he's done, and certainly,
you know, puts him up there with you know, the
best gems in baseball.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Matt Holliday is our guest and the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Seven time All Star, four time Silver Slugger. You're you're
a Bors client or you've been a Bors client when
you played. Juan Soto's a Bors' client. They famously turned
down reported four hundred million dollars with the Nationals. Then
he goes to Padres, then to the Yankees, and now
we're fine, Now it's finally here. What do you think
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that what's this offseason like? You've been not necessarily in
this position, but you've been in a position to negotiate before,
right with Scott by your side, What does this off
season look like for him?
Speaker 8 (27:08):
Well, you know, the thing with MLB is is and
it helps in the fact that they went all the
way to the end and he was able to make
it to the World Series, and so it makes the
off season feel a little shorter. But the weird thing
about you know, you know, MLB compared to the other sports,
is those contracts a lot of the free agent deals
are done almost the day that free agency hits, and
there's no real kind of waiting around, and there's no
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holiday breaks, and so the weird thing about MLB free
agency is is that you have these sort of periods
where they're active, and you have the GM meetings, and
then you have the Winter meetings, and then you have
people take a break for Christmas in the new year,
people take a break for Thanksgiving. And so as a player,
you know, you've worked really hard to get to free agency.
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In his case, he's turned down a lot of money
and here we are and he's twenty six years old
as a free agent, and there's going to be a
lot of teams and interest. But it's also an election year,
so it's it's one of those things where it doesn't
go as fast as you hope. I mean, I think,
at least for me, I was hoping that, you know,
sort of the first week of free agency you'd get
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a bunch of calls and then the you know, the
offers would come in shortly after, and then you get
to make a decision and enjoy Christmas and know where
you're going to be for the next good bit of time.
In his case, probably more than ten years, and you
get to celebrate with your family over the holidays. But
it can drag on, particularly in a guy like Juan's case,
where you know Scott will want as many teams to
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get involved as as possible, and you want, uh, you know,
he's going to have the Yankees, and I think the
big markets are going to be pushing, which is going
to help push the price, so it'll be interesting. I mean,
I don't know what their plan is as far as
visiting cities and whether he's going to take recruiting type trips,
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which you know can be interesting. So it's uh, like
I said, you want it to go fast, it doesn't
go fast, you know, unless somebody just kind of jumps
up there and and off makes an offer that you
absolutely can't refuse and tries to get it done before
anybody else gets involved. But that typically doesn't happen. So uh,
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my guess is it'll drag on into January and that
he'll sign probably in the first week of January to
a record setting deal, and and uh, I think it'll
probably come down the two or three of the big
market teams that can afford it pretty easily and and uh,
I that's kind of how I see it going.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
It's doug ot Leap Show here on Fox Sports Trade.
That's the voice of Matt Holidays joining us here as
we're kind of recapping the major league season, getting ready
to uh getting ready for for free agency.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
What's your take on the Padres. You know, they this year.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I mean they by the end of the year, they
had hell of a club, but it's a club that plays,
and you and I have discussed it.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I've discussed it on air as well.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It's it's like there's a certain amount of showmanship, right,
almost that Latin flair to how they play. And they
were definitely running it, you know, talking trash to the
Dodgers and ultimately fall to the Dodgers three games to two.
But it's such an all in mentality and then to
come up short and they continue to deplete any chance
of rebuilding in the future. What's your thoughts on on
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the Padres?
Speaker 8 (30:31):
Well, I think it's going to be interesting. Obviously, ownership
the situation sadly has changed with with with mister Sidler
passing away. So you know, they had sort of been
all in in the recent you know, four or five
years and pre agency. You know, you heard about the
idea that Aaron Judge. They made a huge offered Aaron Judge,
and they've been they've been very active in cre agency
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and then sort of you know, like even with the
Wan Soto trade and then kind of reverse course and
traded him and got some good pieces for him, and
and they've done a nice job of building their roster backup,
and they deplete their their assets in the minor leagues
and big trades. Now they've they've kind of kind of
built back up some young some really good young players.
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I think Profar as a free agent. I'm not one
hundred percent sure all of their free agents, but I
think most of the core of their team is back,
which you know, is a really good core. And like
you said, by the end of the season, I think
they were probably everybody's prediction to win the World Series
going in into the playoffs, just because of the roster
they'd built and they're starting pitching depths and some of
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the things that you know, kind of really got them
in good shape against the Dodgers. But they ultimately came
back and won the series, and so I think they're
in a good spot. I mean, I think that they've
established that you know, they've the fan base has created
you know, I think they're drawing so well and creating
so much revenue that they've kind of turned themselves into
a large market spending type of team as a post
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in the past, where they've kind of operated a little
bit lower, uh than than the Dodgers and the and
the Yankees and the and you know some of the
big boys. Now they seem like they're right in there
with them as far as what they're willing to spend,
at least under mister Sidlers. So I think their team
is interesting. I think look, you said there's a fine
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line between playing with that confidence slash cockiness slash you know,
trash talking. I think that that's you know that that's
their style. But you know, you also have to be
able to take it. If you're going to give it,
you got to take it. And that's really you know,
if you're going to play like that, you kind of
wake a sleeping dog. Right, So, if you're going to
do that stuff, the other team gets all jazzed up
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and now all of a sudden, they're they're emotionally very
much into it because they see, you know, what's going on.
So I'm I'm good with it because I think that
kind of fits a lot of their guys' personality. But
I think Jackson Merrill is a superstar. So there's a
young guy that they can, you know, build around that's
it's really good and worth mentioning. And so I still
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like their team a lot. So I think they're going
to be right in the middle of the National leak
again this year.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Matt, you're the best man. Really appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Look forward to seeing you Monday as we come into
your hometown and do the radio show and go coach
a game.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Thanks so much for being our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
Yeah, really looking forward to it. So it'll be it'll
be fun to get to watch you sort of live
out your dream and I'm excited to watch that.
Speaker 12 (33:25):
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Speaker 2 (33:56):
We got a lot of.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Things kind of a a good a good amount of
games this weekend to discuss. I do want to start,
I truly want to start with the Ohio State Penn
State game and get your early lean.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yeah. So we've seen this number come down today.
Speaker 13 (34:14):
Actually it was Ohio State catching or laying four and
a half points earlier in the week, and then we
got some good news on Drew Aller. I heard on
Monday MCLs Sprain probably going to start, but not one
hundred percent. And once that news started to kind of
sift through the market come Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, you started
to see.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
This number come down.
Speaker 13 (34:33):
And now we're sitting at Ohio State minus three and
I'm I'm just trying to wrap my head around this.
Three weeks ago, Ohio State was minus three and a
half at Oregon with a.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Healthy Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 13 (34:44):
Now Ohio State's minus three at Penn State and just
close your eyes. The Oregon's better than Penn State. Like,
and I'm a Penn State.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Of law, I'm telling you this.
Speaker 13 (34:51):
Oregon is probably about three four points better than Penn
State on a neutral this week. So the fact that
you're getting a better number on the key number of
three three to bet Ohio State this week, it pains me,
It kills me. But you gotta go with the Buckeyes
here and then you start going into the matchups. I
think the big injury concern outside of Drew Auler obviously
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starting quarterback, is Dennis Sutton, who's the number two rush
end for Penn State. They've got two really good bookend
edge guys. They've got Abdul Carter, who's changing positions this year.
He was a linebacker two point stance. Now he's got
his hand in the dirt on the edge. He's struggled
with that adjustment a little bit just for sacks. But
Dennis Sutton, who's a very capable edge rusher on the
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other side, didn't practice this week. He's been banged up,
probably not gonna play well. What that does is it
allows Ohio State, which by the way, their weakness.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
On offense, they don't have many. It's the offensive line.
Speaker 13 (35:43):
The tackle position has been a turnstile this year. They've
been moving guys around. They struggled last week against Nebraska,
couldn't run it well. Now, if Carter plays but Sutton doesn't,
you can double team Carter and you can really remove
the offensive.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Line from being a factor in the game.
Speaker 13 (35:58):
We know how good Ohio State skill position guys are
Williams like Buka Tate. I mean, you know Penncey doesn't
have one receiver that can contend with the three guys
Ohio State as they've got two studs in the backfield,
Judkins and Henderson. So Chip Kelly, scheme some things up.
Get the ball out of Will Howard tan quickly. I
don't love Will Howard as a quarterback on the road
in a big game, but I think the matchups here
favor Ohio State and the number like Oregon's better than
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Penn State, and you get to get discount on him
this week.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
So it kills me, but you've got to take the
buck guys in this spot.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Jared Smith
is our Fox Sports Trading betting analyst of course you
can hear him on Countdown to Kickoff, which is presented
by Bett MGM the cocktail Party. Florida is four and
three on the year. They're a fifteen point dog against Georgia.
The total is fifty two.
Speaker 13 (36:45):
Yeah, both teams off the by so you know, expect
some weirdness, especially for Florida. Right billion Napier's coaching first job.
I would expect all of the tricks to be pulled
out of the bag for this one.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Now, they do have some buzz. They're off a game
where they.
Speaker 13 (36:57):
Drop forty eight on Kentucky, and you know, Kentucky's a
pretty good defense, but you are asking Dj Lagway, true
freshman quarterback in front of a very shaky offensive line
to basically.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Pull off a miracle here.
Speaker 13 (37:09):
They allowed a twenty six percent pressure right against Kentucky.
That is not going to cut it against this Georgia team.
We saw the last time Georgia played against that Texas
old line, Kirby said, we want to hunt. I don't
know if they're going to be as aggressive here, right,
Like the weakness for Texas it was some cracks in.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
The old line. Maybe you weres not one hundred percent
you can get him off his spot. They were able
to do that.
Speaker 13 (37:30):
If you get Lagway off his spot, He's good at
creating plays outside of the pocket, unlike Quinn you were.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
So I think that's.
Speaker 13 (37:37):
Where Kirby's got to be careful here. You don't want
to run yourself out of the lanes that you're trying
to establish.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
On the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 13 (37:45):
I do think Florida's gonna, you know, again, pull some
tricks up their sleeve here and that could keep this
game close with a big number. But you look at
the other side, I am fascinated to see how George's
offense handles. I don't want to call it a big spot,
but Carson Beck's had some moments this year where he
hasn't shown you that that steady hand. The one thing
I've heard positive about Carson Beck over his career is
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he'll give you the same you know, demeanor when he's
winning than when he's losing. He's kind of even keeled
this year. I have seen that at times, but eight
picks and he's, you know, outside the top fifteen in QBR.
So not having that elite season. We do know that
ETNZA stuff. It's a revenge game against his former team.
I think the running game will be big, but you
just look at the rest of the offense, like Oscar
(38:27):
Delps not brock Bowers.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
They don't have a true outfit wide receiver. Mike Bobo
is not Todd Munkin like.
Speaker 13 (38:31):
I just see a lot of downgrades for Georgia's offense
where Florida's defense. On the surface, I think the the
yards per play numbers look okay, but if you remove
some of the you know, easier data points on their schedule,
it just it hasn't been pretty. UCF, Tennessee, Kentucky not
elite offenses. They all had success against Florida. When they
stepped up in class against Miami, got thrown all over.
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When they stepped up in class against A and M
Good in the trenches, they got run all over. Even
Mississippi State ran it on this Florida defense. I do
think if Carson Beck is dialed in from the jump,
Georgia names their score in this game. But Lagway is
gonna have a couple of plays. I think it probably
stays close. I wouldn't want to lay it with the dogs.
I probably just leave this one alone.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Big win for Ole miss can't lose it, right because
they still got Georgia coming up six and two in
the year, seven and a half point favorites at Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
The totals fifty four and a half.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
This is an Arkansas team who they you know, they
lost to LSU, lost to A and M. I don't
know how they lost Oaklham State, but kind of a
flukey game which they actually outplayed Oaklham State, but then
put up fifty eight on Mississippi State and beat Tennessee.
What are your thoughts on this one? The line again
seven and a half point favorites Old Miss on the road.
Speaker 13 (39:40):
Yeah, I think Arkansas at home, especially if getting that's
seven in the hook, Like, I feel like that's where
I would bet this one.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
From a spread standpoint. I do like what I've.
Speaker 13 (39:47):
Seen from Taylor Green. He's definitely improved since his Bois days.
Andrew armstrongert receiver is a stud, so they've got an
outfit quarterback. They've got an outfit receiver, second leader in
the SEC. They're a little banged up at running back
to Quinn Jack questionable. The backup is a four star
kid brawl and Russell pulled his hammy on an explosive
run against Mississippi State, so they might be down two
guys in the backfield.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
I do like Bobby Patrino.
Speaker 13 (40:09):
I know he's you know, much more lined from his past,
but he's got a really solid offensive mind. Ole Miss
they're good at slowing down RPOs because they see it
in practice every day.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
They're linebackers.
Speaker 13 (40:18):
This week have talked to the media specifically, like I'm
always interested to hear what the talking points are with
these players, especially a team coach by Lankiff, and I'm
sure they're hammered. They're very well versed in dealing with
the media. They have talked a lot this week about
I discipline, and I think that's kind of where we're
at with Arkansas here Taylor Green. They love to run
these RPOs and if you let Green get outside the pocket.
I have a podcast I listen to that covers the
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sec They call it hospital ball, Like you just it
could be a complete game wrecking type of play, or
he could just throw an interception like Green can be
very versatile, but while also very volatile outside the pocket.
We all know Ole Miss upfront is elite and the
Arkansas offensive line is the weakness. I think that's the
matchup here. If ole Miss can get that pressure, can
keep green somewhat hemmed in. I do like ole Missus
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front to be able to at least battle here. I
think on offense for ole Miss it's just been it's
been a really big struggle in conference play.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
You look at the discrepancy.
Speaker 13 (41:11):
They went from fifty five points per game non conference
played down the twenty four points per game in the SEC.
Big struggles in the red zone. The issue all starts
up front. The offensive lineut is outside the top one
hundred and most of my blocking metrics I actually like.
I think this Arkansas defense has a couple of dudes.
Landon Jackson he's the top fifty player on most big boards,
and Eric Gregory is great at getting pressure. The defensive coordinator,
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Travis Williams, he's kind of a trickster. So I'll see
what he draws up here, and I'll be honest, I
do think getting that seven and a half right, that
extra hook on the key number of seven, I think
those seven and a halfs will be gone by Saturday kick,
which is a neon Eastern, So I would play the
plus seven and a half now in Arkansas.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
The last one Pitt SMU trying to win the ACC
SMU at home HVIN Highland Park is a seven point
favorite and the totals fifty seven.
Speaker 13 (42:00):
Yeah, another fascinating game you talked about last week. SMU
minus six turnovers at Dukes still won the game and
Pitt created five turnovers, three of them were picked sixes
against Syracuse. Obviously they won the game, but to me,
like there's regression there, Like SMU is not going to
turn it over six times, Pitt is not going to
generate five turnovers in this game. So I think it's
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gonna be a much more tight, close to the vest
kind of game. And for Pitt, you've got some health
issues at quarterback. Eli Holstein got hurt in the second
half against Qes, didn't return. That game was well in
hand so it didn't matter, but we'll see if he
can come back. And then you've also got some I
don't want to call it regression for Pitt's offense. It's
a really kooky offense. They brought in the ock Bell
from Western Carolina. He runs this kind of spread, you know,
(42:44):
crazy air raid type of attack.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
But now it's been on tape for eight weeks.
Speaker 13 (42:48):
Their lead back also is a little bit diminutive in stature.
Desmond Reed has been a star this year for Pitt,
but he's five eight, one hundred and seventy five pounds.
He's not a physically imposing back. Now stepping up in
class from the FCS level to the FBS level eight
nine ten games in, can he continue to produce at
that level. SMU's defense very underrated, top five across the board,
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especially against the run. They have the second highest pressure
rate in the country. They can get after the quarterback.
I think for SMU on offense, it's kind of a
weird in between spot this week because the quarterback who's
the starter? So they had two quarterbacks Preston Stone it
was great in past years, kind of struggled a little
bit this year. They went to Jennings a little more mobile. Well,
now Jennings is banged up. I don't know if that
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matters as much for this game, Jennings not being the
better thrower. It actually might suit SMU to sit him
here because Pitt's weakness is their secondary outside the top
fifty in pretty much every category. So if let's say
they start Jennings in this game, game script turns negative
and they're behind. I don't think it's a bad spot.
I think SMU can still come back and win the game.
So while I probably favor SMU to win the game,
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I think seven points a little bit heavy of a
number for me to lay.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Here's how I would approach this.
Speaker 13 (43:56):
Watch the first half, see who starts at quarterback for SMU.
If the Mustangs fall behind and they go to Preston Stone,
run to your betting app and bet SMU as.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
A slight underdog or a pick them if they're live.
Speaker 13 (44:08):
Sometimes the live betting numbers are a little bit more
favorable than betting something before the game starts.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Jared Smith, he gives you all the details.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
I mean, I'll have with that little in game betting
advice as well, not just the pregame stuff. Jered do
the best man. Can't wait to hear you tomorrow morning.
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Speaker 2 (44:27):
Jared, thanks so much, good luck this weekend.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
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You know.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Late Toby Keith is a good friend of mine, and
he had a song probably about fifteen years ago that says,
I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm
as good once as I ever was. And it wasn't
a virtuoso in the first half, matter of fact, it
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was super super ugly. But in the second half, Aaron
Rodgers was pretty damn outstanding. I mean, even the most
ardent Aaron Rodgers hater out there were like he made
some throws that were pretty good and they end up
winning a game which I was wrong about, helped at
least slightly by the fact that the Houston Texans kicker
(01:36):
missed was a Cali fuarburn. He missed a chip shot
and kind of everything fell apart after that. Here's Jetster
interim coach Jeff Olbrich discussing the win.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
A really cool game for this team, man, after three
weeks of a lot of adversity, a lot of stepbacks,
some self imposed for them to have the resilienc scene
to come back and played the way they did against
a really good opponent, it's probable.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Here is Aaron Rodgers after the game.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
Kind of season on the line there in the second half.
Obviously we wouldn't have been mathematically eliminated, but mentally to
go to two and seven would have been real tough.
Hopefully it's kipt this confidence so that we can be anybody,
because we feel like we could. The way we played
on offense in the second half is the way we've
been kind of waiting for this offense to wake up.
And I know obviously I was, you know, close to
(02:30):
perfection as I needed to be, but that's the standard
I need to play at.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, I mean, look, he had thirty seven yards passing
at the half, and he played really well in the
second half. Maybe the biggest takeaway there's two deegaways in
the game.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
First is now I got let's go with three. Here's
the tegaways. One.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Aaron Rodgers ain't as good as he once was, but
he's as good once as he ever was, and Adams amazing.
There's some other throws that were outstanding, and a lot
of this is we talked about it this week about
the ratio of things. You know, when you're in your prime,
four out of five games you're incredible. When you're at
(03:14):
the end of it, there's like one out of five
games you're incredible. And it's how often you can be
just solid to above average, because there's going to be
a stinker, and they'll occur more often the older that
you are.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
It makes sense, right, So that's the first takeaway. The
second one is that.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Something wrong with the Texans, whether it's the injuries to
the wide receivers or whether it's the fact their offensive
line's not good.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
There's some regression from CJ. Stroud. Here's CJ. Stroud after
the game.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
You know it'll come out here on Primesive game and
you know get embarrassed like that is never fun. And
you know, I believe, you know, we have to be
better in a lot of areas, you know, and that
starts with me. You know, I think those players. I
gotta make girls, I gotta make you know times I
got to sit in the pocket and just trust my guys.
So I really point the finger at me and realize,
you know, I got to be better as a football player.
And you know, if we want to win, this is
(04:08):
not the rest before. We got to learn how to dominate.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
That's what you're supposed to sound like, even when it's
not your fault. That's how you're supposed to sound. So
if anybody says, like, well why are you so, why
do you guys get such a big hit like there's
a starting quarterback, he's in his second year, and whether
any of the issues are his, the offensive lines, the
play calling, there was none of.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
This did everybody Else's why CJ.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Stroud's a stud leads you to believe he'll be fine,
but he's not playing fine. He's playing rushed. He mentioned trust,
and there's some issues there with that team. The last
takeaway is, well, I know that Jason Stewart just can't
stand it.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
It's how many times are we going to see that
Malachi Corley play?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
How many times?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
How many times malcol Corley is going into the end
zone and he drops the ball right as he crosses
the plane of the end zone, And you know, like, look,
we're in the political season. So every four years, our
commercials are dominated by political ads, and most of them
outside the presidential ones are fairly tame. You know, you're
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talking about people's policies and whatever. But every four years
you learned something about people like I had no idea,
that's no idea. But you know, I can't blame it
on I can't blame it on this generation because it's
happened for twenty years. Like I've been in the media
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for twenty one years. Twenty one years, and every year
somebody drops a football before they go in the inZone.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Here's Kirk Krbstreet in real time on the play.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
What in that heck is he thinking?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Why the urgency for some of these kids to drop
the ball before they even if it's close what we
finished play.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Here's Jeff Ulbrick, the head coach of the interim head coach,
about the play after the game.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
First of all, you can't do that, And second of all, Yo,
what's one. Definitely frustrated, you know, to be honest and
angry at the same time, But what an amazing opportunity
for this kid to grow and learn from. You know,
I promise you ten years from now, when he's still
playing in this league, that will never happen again.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Well, I mean it won't happen to him, But for
whatever reason, it happens every year. Right, Dan, You've been
doing this twenty years. I'm guessing that if we we
draw our memory, it feels like every year. This happens,
literally every year college or pro somebody drops the ball
before they go in the end zone.
Speaker 9 (06:43):
Dunner feels like it's every week. I mean, it happened
in Orgon, right, didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Didn't Orgon kid do it? An organ game?
Speaker 9 (06:51):
Yeah? And I was even thinking of last week and
Kyle Pitts kind of went into the end zone late,
you know, in a lazy fashion, and Anton win Field
almost stripped him of the ball at the goal line.
They couldn't get a real good review of it. But yeah,
it seems to be every single week, whether it be
in college or the NFL, that someone does this. It
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feels that way. I know it's not that much, but
it just it feels like it's way more common now.
Speaker 10 (07:19):
When when the coach what's the name, coach Olbrook, when
he says that that's never going to happen again, that
implies intent. Dan, do you think he did it on purpose?
Do you think these players do it on purpose?
Speaker 9 (07:33):
I think they do it to show boat. I think
that gets their way of dropping the ball. Ain't no thing.
I'm in the end zone. Time to party. I do
my stuff. That's what I think.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It is my working hypotheses again, because I don't know
hypotheses theories when it's proven. My working hypotheses is guys.
And yes, I don't know if it's showboat or celebrate
or whatever. Probably a little bit of both. But it's
that you lose your mind. You like see the end
zone and you just lose your mind, like out of
body experience. You know, was Rod Tidwell right? Was not
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the character that Cuba Gooding Junior played in uh Jerry
Maguire remember at the end, he's in the end zone
and he just starts dancing and he never dances, but
he's just overcome by the emotion of the moment. He
starts crying and blowing kisses to his wife and his
son on TV.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
You just remember that, like.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
It's a real thing that dudes just lose their mind,
just all that dopamine at once and you lose your
Do you buy that at all?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Jason?
Speaker 10 (08:33):
Well, I mean, so your your theory implies that it's accidental.
And I'm with Dan on this. It's some kind of
showboding mood move. I just don't understand how or why
they could justify it. And these players, By the way,
Kyle Pitts wasn't asked about it Sunday. This kid was
not available for interview last night. I need one one answer.
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Why do you do that?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Well, I mean I think I think I think it's
pretty obvious. I don't know. Do you think he meant
to do it?
Speaker 10 (09:06):
That's what Dan thinks, That's what I think.
Speaker 9 (09:07):
Yeah, I think he meant to. He didn't mean to fumble,
but I felt like he wanted to start whatever his
celebration was going to be at that point. And the
celebration could be look at me, or I'm gonna skip
in the end zone or do whatever, and this ball
is only going to hamper what I'm about to drop
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on these fans. And by the way, again, no big thing,
no big deal, just take this ball whatever, All right,
you guys can have it. Here's the real show. That's
what I feel it is, Sam. I agree with Dan.
I think it's partly that.
Speaker 11 (09:45):
I also think it's maybe like bliss or euphoria induced
kind of carelessness. Is it like you're in a blur,
you're running over the line and you just you were
careless because you should have just held onto it for
another half a second.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It really is crazy, though, Like every time we see it,
we're like, oh man, how they do it? It happens
all the time. I don't understand. I really don't understand.
I thought the whole idea of guys they want to celebrate,
Why are they dropping the ball? I guess to go
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celebrate more quickly without the foot I just don't get it.
Speaker 10 (10:21):
This reminds me, I'm sorry, Dan, it reminds me say
one of your players hits a three or takes a
three and then starts running back the other way like
Steph Curry and the ball comes off and if he's
just followed a shot, it could it would have been
a rebound or something. Yeah, it's like one of those
show boat moves. In the moment, I'm going to emphasize
this play by showboating. I think that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
No, Yeah, except for remember you have to actually score first,
so it does.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I get your thing.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
And it's like the Kemba Walker, right, wasn't it Kemba
who famously when he was in sharp he had the
ball around and round round and then he turned around
and then went out.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
He thought it went in.
Speaker 9 (11:05):
Yeah, swaggy p two. Yeah, there's just this, there's no
the the extreme is, obviously the other side is Barry
Sanders handing the ball to the referee. Sure, and I
don't know why a player wouldn't wouldn't make their thing. Say,
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my thing is when I score, I go on, I
take the football and I put it next to the goalpost.
You know that's there. They'll never fumble because guess what
their thing is. You can't wait to see you run
and put the football by the goal post. That's should
be their thing. But for some reason, as well. And listen,
this guy hasn't scored any touchdowns in the NFL. And
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and what Oldbrook is saying is that you know, ten
years in your career, no, you'll never get that touchdown
back then thing will bother you till the day you die.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I had no question, I mean, And and it was
on Thursday Night football, so it's standalone games. Yeah, saw it,
And I mean a perfect example is everybody calls it
the DeShawn Jackson Deshaun Jackson, right and d Jacks he
did it once or twice.
Speaker 9 (12:16):
I know he did it in the pros, and I
can't remember. I thought there was a cal Oregon game
where there was something that that happened of similar DILK
but I could be wrong, but I know what happened
in Dallas against the Cowboys, and I just there's also
there's also like the point of like you crossed the
finish line and you think you are in the end zone,
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like you think you may think that you're three yards in,
but your body is still you know, the back half
of the body or where your football is or where
your arm is completely different scenario from from where you
actually are on the field. Still doesn't give you a
reason to let it go.
Speaker 11 (12:56):
It's that blissful blur.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
This is the this is the other, this is the
other crap we're talking about with the New York Jets.
To be honest with you, like they had no Doug
And I know you pointed out some of the things
that went wrong with the Texans, but they had no
business losing last week to the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
None. Yeah, absolutely zero.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And listen, this is that's a great pointment. Go ahead,
I'll let you make it and then I'll back up.
Speaker 9 (13:19):
But it's the point of too of like why why
would you try to bet on the NFL when crap
like this happens? Like all like do you want to
talk about points? Spreads? The whole deal. Now, in the
end didn't matter last night, but I guarantee you in
the next four times that it does, it's probably going
to matter again.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well I would I wouldn't take it into the betting thing.
I would take it as the This is where this
is where Aaron Rodgers is probably right. It was it
was in the way in which he made it public
that he shouldn't have said it. He talked about being
accountability because even look at last night right, give away
a touchdown there, and then I mean, obviously they're very
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fortunate that the Texans missed the field goal. But what
happened was they kick a field goal and but they
just ran over the long snapper.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So they got a chance to score a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
If the Texans were decent, all they score a touchdown,
they're totally different game. And the Texans were completely outplayed
by the Jets.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And yet they Jets just gave away points.
Speaker 9 (14:17):
Yeah, another.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Like it's a and everyone told me in the NFL
last year. They're like, yeah, they're just they're not a
discipline team at all. And here's the thing that's on
Robert Sala, that's on their GM as well. Hey, where
they just have not held guys accountable. It's the only
reason stuff, Like everyone I know knows you can't run
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over the long snapper. I never played high level, high
level college football. I know that rule, And like why
do you do it?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
You do it because you like discipline. And you could say, well, this.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Is a uh, this is a one off sort of deal.
Like no, now, now that team has no discipline at all,
and they're riding the wave of the fact that the
Texans are kind of a mess right now. And Aaron
Rodgers played high level Aaron Rodgers and they have some playmakers.
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The defense is talented but not disciplined. That dog won't hunt.
So my take is on as far as Vegas concerned,
is just fade the Jets. Eventually the Jets will Jets.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
That's the way I would look at it.
Speaker 11 (15:31):
Yes, Sammy, what would be the fallout if they had
lost this game by like a touchdown or wes?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Would he be cut?
Speaker 10 (15:38):
Do you think?
Speaker 9 (15:40):
I mean?
Speaker 11 (15:40):
They won the game, so it like it's still a
very glaring, egregious air he made. But if they had
lost and maybe this time, yeah, that's a real.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Team, does that? Real team goes like ah, and real
team actually cuts him when you win.
Speaker 9 (15:55):
I'll tell you we got some good feedback. The Raven
Rises tweets in it's their way of dropping them mind,
which I completely agree with. Our buddy Gary Hopwood says,
it reminds me of one of runners in first place
and slows down and then the second place person crosses
the finish line in first.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Isn't there that video?
Speaker 9 (16:13):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
The Olympics was the World Championships where it's like racewalking Yeah,
she's like celebrated in Spain. She's like celebrating all of
a sudden, this other girl just comes boat races are
She's like, oh, oh no, Only she didn't say, oh no,
that's go call Gary.
Speaker 12 (16:27):
This is the best of the Don dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
It's the Doug gott Leeb Show. You're on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And he's joined us periodically throughout the baseball season. A
dear friend of mine, a seven time All Star in
Major League Baseball, four times Silver Slugger. He's the one
only Matt Holiday. He joins us here on Fox Sports Radio.
I know the Yankees aren't a great defensive team, right,
And it's interesting because you and I have talked about
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makeups of baseball teams, but the fifth inning, how much
of that is who they really are?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
How much of that is the pressure of the moment.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
Well, I think that the guys that made mistakes aren't
necessarily known for their defense. But I mean, Aaron Judge
catches that ball in one hundred and ninety nine times
out of two hundred, the weird ground ball to first,
I mean, I think Garrett Cole gets over on that ball.
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But I also think a healthy you know, maybe a
more in his prime. Maybe Anthony Rizzo gets over gets
that ball and is able to get to the base.
You know, the play at shortstop. I mean, you know,
he probably overdid it trying to get that out at
third right there. Jazz Chism's not like he hasn't played
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third his whole career, so you know, it was a
tough catch, But that's not really a position that he's played,
so he's playing out of position. Aaron Judge is more
of a corner outfielder. So look, I think it's a
combination of probably a little bit of both trying a
little too hard and you know, a situation where you
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have defenders that aren't necessarily high level defenders at their
position at this time. So I think, you know, it's
one of those things where, yeah, I think if they
played that anying over, I don't think it would happen
the same way. But it was like a perfect storm
of errors.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It was well, maybe what's more impressive, I think partially
from their perspective, but also from the Dodgers They retook
the lead. It wasn't like it was five nothing, then
it was five to five, and then the Dodgers won
ten five. They go up six five, and then the
Dodgers fought back again. I thought that was maybe the
most unlikely part about it was that the Yankees, though
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obviously you know Garrett Cole, you I watched him when
they took the ball from him, when Aaron Boone took
the ball from You could see just his deflation, especially
with the play at first base, even though it was
like an inning and a half later. But I guess
the part of it is the game wasn't over then,
it it maybe just kind of restarted.
Speaker 13 (19:09):
Then.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
Yeah, I would say that John Smoltz pointed out the
Garrett Cole rallying, rallying back for another inning and two
thirds after an inning like that, I thought was impressive.
I thought for him to come back out and then
and then hold the hold the line at five to five,
they get back up six to five, and the momentum
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shifts back to the Yankees, you know, and they're feeling
pretty good about themselves, and you know, but then I
think that's where you saw the fatigue of the Yankees
bullpen sort of kick in and and the lack of
I guess high quality depth. I would say at the
Yankees back into their bullpen. I mean, you know, Luke
Weaver was pitching on his third day, and and and
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the one you know lighter wasn't even on the roster
to start the playoffs. And so I think that that
showed a little bit of of the underbelly of of
uh maybe you know where they where. They quite weren't
up to snuff with the Dodgers as far as the
bullpen goes. So uh, yeah, I was impressed that they
didn't sort of fold up shop and and uh and
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and able to get the lead back. But you know,
I just think the better team ultimately ended up winning.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
What what about this Dodger team impressed you as a
guy who's won a World.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Series before, you know, I think their lack of well,
their lack of starting you know, pitching depth, you know
that was so depleted by injury, and you know, for
them to be able to piece it together basically with
with a lot of bullpen guys, and Walker Beeler has
not pitched well this year, and Jack Clarty has been
a little bit of a journeyman lately and has been
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up and down, and was up and down in the playoffs.
For them to be able to win a World Series
without a I would say even really a number one
or a number two type of pitcher. In reality, I
think it's pretty odd, And so the idea that they
were able to piece it together on the mound and
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their superstars showed up in big moments, and that's where
it goes back to their they're guys that they pay
a lot of money to produce, and then you have
you have guys like keyk Hernandez that play welly well
in the playoffs and Tommy Edmund And it's always going
to take unsung heroes to come through and play big
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roles in in order World Series championship. But I was
impressed that they were able to do that without a
real dominant age pitcher.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Do you think, well, what are your thoughts in the
twenty twenty the COVID World Series? What are your thoughts
on the people who have kind of invalidated that because
sixty game season, no true road games, and obviously a
vastly different season and playoffs from what we've seen before,
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and said, yeah, I.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
Mean, I think there's definitely an asterisk next to that one,
just because it was so odd. Now they were the
best team that year, and so they want it, and
they were better than everybody else. So I think that
that is obviously necessary of recognition and reward. But I
do think that it was obviously, like you said, a strange,
I mean, incredibly like something we've never seen before in
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this world.
Speaker 10 (22:24):
And so.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
It does make for you know, kind of a okay,
they want into twenty twenty, but you know, this is
what happened. We only played this many games and the
World Series was in Texas, and you know, it was
such a strange season. I don't think that that takes
away the fact that they were the best team that year,
and that's really hard to do in the major leagues,
no matter how many games you're playing. But I do
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think this this sort of you know, puts them, you know,
and where you say, yeah, this was you know, the
you know, sort of the normal championship or however you
want to say it. But I don't want to take
anything away from that year. But there was you know
a lot of factors. It wasn't one hundred and sixty
two games, and it wasn't played in a traditional playoff situation,
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and there were no fans, and there was no road games,
and you know, or you know, sort of no road
fans and the playoffs were strange. So I do think
that that's at least worth acknowledging. But yeah, I think
that you know that the idea that this puts, you know,
sort of that talk to Bed, I think is probably right.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I look at it, d Option, I like, I agree
with you whole hardly on twenty twenty. I just don't
see any correlations in twenty twenty twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
You know, well a lot of the players are different.
I mean, I agree with that, but I mean I
think that you know, it's it's yeah, I mean teams,
it doesn't even carry over year to year, you know.
I mean I think that you know, the Dodgers have
to restart next year. I mean, they're were a whole
They're going to have, you know, it's a whole new year.
Every year is is a whole new team chemistry, it's
a whole new you know, it's just every every year
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it's so different. So I don't really think that either
are connected either. But as far as like franchise championships
and whether we're counting twenty twenty or not, is like
towards the organizational prowess. I think, you know, at least
it's worth acknowledging that it was a strange season.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Jace, do you want to get on this.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
Yeah, let me add just one thing. Everything Matt has said,
I almost agree with verbatim. This is where the context
of the twenty twenty four championship I think makes sense
to at least Dodger fans. Andrew Friedman's been here what
ten years, and each year that went by without him
winning like a legitimate championship, it kind of made his
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accomplishments kind of hollow. Man. He built his team, and
he built up the farm system, and he brought in
all these names, but they just weren't finishing the deal.
So that twenty twenty championship was such an iceore. So
now that he's won like a legitimate one and this
team came through for the finally, I think this just
kind of validates that twenty twenty one a little bit more,
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as opposed to it just being the one championship the
Dodgers won in this in this era, that would have
been a bad. Look. Does that make sense?
Speaker 8 (25:12):
Yeah, I mean I agree with that. I think that. Look,
I think it's hard to argue. I mean, they obviously
have a payroll where they can they can spend, and
he's he's being able to go out and get amazing
fre agence. But they've done an incredible job of drafting
at the bottom of the first round and developing pitching
depths and impact pitchers. You know, like I said earlier,
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the injuries that you can't really predict as a GM.
You know, you try to set up as much much
depth as you possibly can, and then you know, knowing
that there's going to be injuries. But I mean, he's
done an incredible job, and I get it, like you know,
as a fan base, you say, well, where's the championships
and now you've got this one and you've got twenty
twenty and so or twenty twenty one whatever year that was.
(25:58):
But yeah, I mean I look, I'm not a huge
like Dodgers fan like you are, so you know, I
don't necessarily look at it through the same lenses as
far as that goes. But yeah, I mean I agree
that this sort of says Okay, yeah, now under his tenure,
they have two championships, and you can say whatever you
want about the one that was a short season, but
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now you know they have two, and that sort of solidifies,
you know, what a great job he's done, and certainly,
you know, puts him up there with you know, the
best gems in baseball.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Matt Holliday is our guest and the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Seven time All Star, four time Silver Slugger. You're you're
a Bors client or you've been a Bors client when
you played. Juan Soto's a Bors' client. They famously turned
down reported four hundred million dollars with the Nationals. Then
he goes to Padres, then to the Yankees, and now
we're fine, Now it's finally here. What do you think
(26:53):
that what's this offseason like? You've been not necessarily in
this position, but you've been in a position to negotiate before,
right with Scott by your side, What does this off
season look like for him?
Speaker 8 (27:08):
Well, you know, the thing with MLB is is and
it helps in the fact that they went all the
way to the end and he was able to make
it to the World Series, and so it makes the
off season feel a little shorter. But the weird thing
about you know, you know, MLB compared to the other sports,
is those contracts a lot of the free agent deals
are done almost the day that free agency hits, and
there's no real kind of waiting around, and there's no
(27:30):
holiday breaks, and so the weird thing about MLB free
agency is is that you have these sort of periods
where they're active, and you have the GM meetings, and
then you have the Winter meetings, and then you have
people take a break for Christmas in the new year,
people take a break for Thanksgiving. And so as a player,
you know, you've worked really hard to get to free agency.
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In his case, he's turned down a lot of money
and here we are and he's twenty six years old
as a free agent, and there's going to be a
lot of teams and interest. But it's also an election year,
so it's it's one of those things where it doesn't
go as fast as you hope. I mean, I think,
at least for me, I was hoping that, you know,
sort of the first week of free agency you'd get
(28:14):
a bunch of calls and then the you know, the
offers would come in shortly after, and then you get
to make a decision and enjoy Christmas and know where
you're going to be for the next good bit of time.
In his case, probably more than ten years, and you
get to celebrate with your family over the holidays. But
it can drag on, particularly in a guy like Juan's case,
where you know Scott will want as many teams to
(28:36):
get involved as as possible, and you want, uh, you know,
he's going to have the Yankees, and I think the
big markets are going to be pushing, which is going
to help push the price, so it'll be interesting. I mean,
I don't know what their plan is as far as
visiting cities and whether he's going to take recruiting type trips,
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which you know can be interesting. So it's uh, like
I said, you want it to go fast, it doesn't
go fast, you know, unless somebody just kind of jumps
up there and and off makes an offer that you
absolutely can't refuse and tries to get it done before
anybody else gets involved. But that typically doesn't happen. So uh,
(29:19):
my guess is it'll drag on into January and that
he'll sign probably in the first week of January to
a record setting deal, and and uh, I think it'll
probably come down the two or three of the big
market teams that can afford it pretty easily and and uh,
I that's kind of how I see it going.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
It's doug ot Leap Show here on Fox Sports Trade.
That's the voice of Matt Holidays joining us here as
we're kind of recapping the major league season, getting ready
to uh getting ready for for free agency.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
What's your take on the Padres. You know, they this year.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I mean they by the end of the year, they
had hell of a club, but it's a club that plays,
and you and I have discussed it.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I've discussed it on air as well.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It's it's like there's a certain amount of showmanship, right,
almost that Latin flair to how they play. And they
were definitely running it, you know, talking trash to the
Dodgers and ultimately fall to the Dodgers three games to two.
But it's such an all in mentality and then to
come up short and they continue to deplete any chance
of rebuilding in the future. What's your thoughts on on
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the Padres?
Speaker 8 (30:31):
Well, I think it's going to be interesting. Obviously, ownership
the situation sadly has changed with with with mister Sidler
passing away. So you know, they had sort of been
all in in the recent you know, four or five
years and pre agency. You know, you heard about the
idea that Aaron Judge. They made a huge offered Aaron Judge,
and they've been they've been very active in cre agency
(30:53):
and then sort of you know, like even with the
Wan Soto trade and then kind of reverse course and
traded him and got some good pieces for him, and
and they've done a nice job of building their roster backup,
and they deplete their their assets in the minor leagues
and big trades. Now they've they've kind of kind of
built back up some young some really good young players.
(31:15):
I think Profar as a free agent. I'm not one
hundred percent sure all of their free agents, but I
think most of the core of their team is back,
which you know, is a really good core. And like
you said, by the end of the season, I think
they were probably everybody's prediction to win the World Series
going in into the playoffs, just because of the roster
they'd built and they're starting pitching depths and some of
(31:37):
the things that you know, kind of really got them
in good shape against the Dodgers. But they ultimately came
back and won the series, and so I think they're
in a good spot. I mean, I think that they've
established that you know, they've the fan base has created
you know, I think they're drawing so well and creating
so much revenue that they've kind of turned themselves into
a large market spending type of team as a post
(32:00):
in the past, where they've kind of operated a little
bit lower, uh than than the Dodgers and the and
the Yankees and the and you know some of the
big boys. Now they seem like they're right in there
with them as far as what they're willing to spend,
at least under mister Sidlers. So I think their team
is interesting. I think look, you said there's a fine
(32:20):
line between playing with that confidence slash cockiness slash you know,
trash talking. I think that that's you know that that's
their style. But you know, you also have to be
able to take it. If you're going to give it,
you got to take it. And that's really you know,
if you're going to play like that, you kind of
wake a sleeping dog. Right, So, if you're going to
do that stuff, the other team gets all jazzed up
(32:42):
and now all of a sudden, they're they're emotionally very
much into it because they see, you know, what's going on.
So I'm I'm good with it because I think that
kind of fits a lot of their guys' personality. But
I think Jackson Merrill is a superstar. So there's a
young guy that they can, you know, build around that's
it's really good and worth mentioning. And so I still
(33:04):
like their team a lot. So I think they're going
to be right in the middle of the National leak
again this year.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Matt, you're the best man. Really appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Look forward to seeing you Monday as we come into
your hometown and do the radio show and go coach
a game.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Thanks so much for being our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
Yeah, really looking forward to it. So it'll be it'll
be fun to get to watch you sort of live
out your dream and I'm excited to watch that.
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Speaker 2 (33:56):
We got a lot of.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Things kind of a a good a good amount of
games this weekend to discuss. I do want to start,
I truly want to start with the Ohio State Penn
State game and get your early lean.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yeah. So we've seen this number come down today.
Speaker 13 (34:14):
Actually it was Ohio State catching or laying four and
a half points earlier in the week, and then we
got some good news on Drew Aller. I heard on
Monday MCLs Sprain probably going to start, but not one
hundred percent. And once that news started to kind of
sift through the market come Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, you started
to see.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
This number come down.
Speaker 13 (34:33):
And now we're sitting at Ohio State minus three and
I'm I'm just trying to wrap my head around this.
Three weeks ago, Ohio State was minus three and a
half at Oregon with a.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Healthy Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 13 (34:44):
Now Ohio State's minus three at Penn State and just
close your eyes. The Oregon's better than Penn State. Like,
and I'm a Penn State.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Of law, I'm telling you this.
Speaker 13 (34:51):
Oregon is probably about three four points better than Penn
State on a neutral this week. So the fact that
you're getting a better number on the key number of
three three to bet Ohio State this week, it pains me,
It kills me. But you gotta go with the Buckeyes
here and then you start going into the matchups. I
think the big injury concern outside of Drew Auler obviously
(35:11):
starting quarterback, is Dennis Sutton, who's the number two rush
end for Penn State. They've got two really good bookend
edge guys. They've got Abdul Carter, who's changing positions this year.
He was a linebacker two point stance. Now he's got
his hand in the dirt on the edge. He's struggled
with that adjustment a little bit just for sacks. But
Dennis Sutton, who's a very capable edge rusher on the
(35:32):
other side, didn't practice this week. He's been banged up,
probably not gonna play well. What that does is it
allows Ohio State, which by the way, their weakness.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
On offense, they don't have many. It's the offensive line.
Speaker 13 (35:43):
The tackle position has been a turnstile this year. They've
been moving guys around. They struggled last week against Nebraska,
couldn't run it well. Now, if Carter plays but Sutton doesn't,
you can double team Carter and you can really remove
the offensive.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Line from being a factor in the game.
Speaker 13 (35:58):
We know how good Ohio State skill position guys are
Williams like Buka Tate. I mean, you know Penncey doesn't
have one receiver that can contend with the three guys
Ohio State as they've got two studs in the backfield,
Judkins and Henderson. So Chip Kelly, scheme some things up.
Get the ball out of Will Howard tan quickly. I
don't love Will Howard as a quarterback on the road
in a big game, but I think the matchups here
favor Ohio State and the number like Oregon's better than
(36:20):
Penn State, and you get to get discount on him
this week.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
So it kills me, but you've got to take the
buck guys in this spot.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Jared Smith
is our Fox Sports Trading betting analyst of course you
can hear him on Countdown to Kickoff, which is presented
by Bett MGM the cocktail Party. Florida is four and
three on the year. They're a fifteen point dog against Georgia.
The total is fifty two.
Speaker 13 (36:45):
Yeah, both teams off the by so you know, expect
some weirdness, especially for Florida. Right billion Napier's coaching first job.
I would expect all of the tricks to be pulled
out of the bag for this one.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Now, they do have some buzz. They're off a game
where they.
Speaker 13 (36:57):
Drop forty eight on Kentucky, and you know, Kentucky's a
pretty good defense, but you are asking Dj Lagway, true
freshman quarterback in front of a very shaky offensive line
to basically.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Pull off a miracle here.
Speaker 13 (37:09):
They allowed a twenty six percent pressure right against Kentucky.
That is not going to cut it against this Georgia team.
We saw the last time Georgia played against that Texas
old line, Kirby said, we want to hunt. I don't
know if they're going to be as aggressive here, right,
Like the weakness for Texas it was some cracks in.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
The old line. Maybe you weres not one hundred percent
you can get him off his spot. They were able
to do that.
Speaker 13 (37:30):
If you get Lagway off his spot, He's good at
creating plays outside of the pocket, unlike Quinn you were.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
So I think that's.
Speaker 13 (37:37):
Where Kirby's got to be careful here. You don't want
to run yourself out of the lanes that you're trying
to establish.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
On the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 13 (37:45):
I do think Florida's gonna, you know, again, pull some
tricks up their sleeve here and that could keep this
game close with a big number. But you look at
the other side, I am fascinated to see how George's
offense handles. I don't want to call it a big spot,
but Carson Beck's had some moments this year where he
hasn't shown you that that steady hand. The one thing
I've heard positive about Carson Beck over his career is
(38:07):
he'll give you the same you know, demeanor when he's
winning than when he's losing. He's kind of even keeled
this year. I have seen that at times, but eight
picks and he's, you know, outside the top fifteen in QBR.
So not having that elite season. We do know that
ETNZA stuff. It's a revenge game against his former team.
I think the running game will be big, but you
just look at the rest of the offense, like Oscar
(38:27):
Delps not brock Bowers.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
They don't have a true outfit wide receiver. Mike Bobo
is not Todd Munkin like.
Speaker 13 (38:31):
I just see a lot of downgrades for Georgia's offense
where Florida's defense. On the surface, I think the the
yards per play numbers look okay, but if you remove
some of the you know, easier data points on their schedule,
it just it hasn't been pretty. UCF, Tennessee, Kentucky not
elite offenses. They all had success against Florida. When they
stepped up in class against Miami, got thrown all over.
(38:52):
When they stepped up in class against A and M
Good in the trenches, they got run all over. Even
Mississippi State ran it on this Florida defense. I do
think if Carson Beck is dialed in from the jump,
Georgia names their score in this game. But Lagway is
gonna have a couple of plays. I think it probably
stays close. I wouldn't want to lay it with the dogs.
I probably just leave this one alone.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Big win for Ole miss can't lose it, right because
they still got Georgia coming up six and two in
the year, seven and a half point favorites at Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
The totals fifty four and a half.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
This is an Arkansas team who they you know, they
lost to LSU, lost to A and M. I don't
know how they lost Oaklham State, but kind of a
flukey game which they actually outplayed Oaklham State, but then
put up fifty eight on Mississippi State and beat Tennessee.
What are your thoughts on this one? The line again
seven and a half point favorites Old Miss on the road.
Speaker 13 (39:40):
Yeah, I think Arkansas at home, especially if getting that's
seven in the hook, Like, I feel like that's where
I would bet this one.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
From a spread standpoint. I do like what I've.
Speaker 13 (39:47):
Seen from Taylor Green. He's definitely improved since his Bois days.
Andrew armstrongert receiver is a stud, so they've got an
outfit quarterback. They've got an outfit receiver, second leader in
the SEC. They're a little banged up at running back
to Quinn Jack questionable. The backup is a four star
kid brawl and Russell pulled his hammy on an explosive
run against Mississippi State, so they might be down two
guys in the backfield.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
I do like Bobby Patrino.
Speaker 13 (40:09):
I know he's you know, much more lined from his past,
but he's got a really solid offensive mind. Ole Miss
they're good at slowing down RPOs because they see it
in practice every day.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
They're linebackers.
Speaker 13 (40:18):
This week have talked to the media specifically, like I'm
always interested to hear what the talking points are with
these players, especially a team coach by Lankiff, and I'm
sure they're hammered. They're very well versed in dealing with
the media. They have talked a lot this week about
I discipline, and I think that's kind of where we're
at with Arkansas here Taylor Green. They love to run
these RPOs and if you let Green get outside the pocket.
I have a podcast I listen to that covers the
(40:40):
sec They call it hospital ball, Like you just it
could be a complete game wrecking type of play, or
he could just throw an interception like Green can be
very versatile, but while also very volatile outside the pocket.
We all know Ole Miss upfront is elite and the
Arkansas offensive line is the weakness. I think that's the
matchup here. If ole Miss can get that pressure, can
keep green somewhat hemmed in. I do like ole Missus
(41:02):
front to be able to at least battle here. I
think on offense for ole Miss it's just been it's
been a really big struggle in conference play.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
You look at the discrepancy.
Speaker 13 (41:11):
They went from fifty five points per game non conference
played down the twenty four points per game in the SEC.
Big struggles in the red zone. The issue all starts
up front. The offensive lineut is outside the top one
hundred and most of my blocking metrics I actually like.
I think this Arkansas defense has a couple of dudes.
Landon Jackson he's the top fifty player on most big boards,
and Eric Gregory is great at getting pressure. The defensive coordinator,
(41:34):
Travis Williams, he's kind of a trickster. So I'll see
what he draws up here, and I'll be honest, I
do think getting that seven and a half right, that
extra hook on the key number of seven, I think
those seven and a halfs will be gone by Saturday kick,
which is a neon Eastern, So I would play the
plus seven and a half now in Arkansas.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
The last one Pitt SMU trying to win the ACC
SMU at home HVIN Highland Park is a seven point
favorite and the totals fifty seven.
Speaker 13 (42:00):
Yeah, another fascinating game you talked about last week. SMU
minus six turnovers at Dukes still won the game and
Pitt created five turnovers, three of them were picked sixes
against Syracuse. Obviously they won the game, but to me,
like there's regression there, Like SMU is not going to
turn it over six times, Pitt is not going to
generate five turnovers in this game. So I think it's
(42:22):
gonna be a much more tight, close to the vest
kind of game. And for Pitt, you've got some health
issues at quarterback. Eli Holstein got hurt in the second
half against Qes, didn't return. That game was well in
hand so it didn't matter, but we'll see if he
can come back. And then you've also got some I
don't want to call it regression for Pitt's offense. It's
a really kooky offense. They brought in the ock Bell
from Western Carolina. He runs this kind of spread, you know,
(42:44):
crazy air raid type of attack.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
But now it's been on tape for eight weeks.
Speaker 13 (42:48):
Their lead back also is a little bit diminutive in stature.
Desmond Reed has been a star this year for Pitt,
but he's five eight, one hundred and seventy five pounds.
He's not a physically imposing back. Now stepping up in
class from the FCS level to the FBS level eight
nine ten games in, can he continue to produce at
that level. SMU's defense very underrated, top five across the board,
(43:08):
especially against the run. They have the second highest pressure
rate in the country. They can get after the quarterback.
I think for SMU on offense, it's kind of a
weird in between spot this week because the quarterback who's
the starter? So they had two quarterbacks Preston Stone it
was great in past years, kind of struggled a little
bit this year. They went to Jennings a little more mobile. Well,
now Jennings is banged up. I don't know if that
(43:29):
matters as much for this game, Jennings not being the
better thrower. It actually might suit SMU to sit him
here because Pitt's weakness is their secondary outside the top
fifty in pretty much every category. So if let's say
they start Jennings in this game, game script turns negative
and they're behind. I don't think it's a bad spot.
I think SMU can still come back and win the game.
So while I probably favor SMU to win the game,
(43:52):
I think seven points a little bit heavy of a
number for me to lay.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Here's how I would approach this.
Speaker 13 (43:56):
Watch the first half, see who starts at quarterback for SMU.
If the Mustangs fall behind and they go to Preston Stone,
run to your betting app and bet SMU as.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
A slight underdog or a pick them if they're live.
Speaker 13 (44:08):
Sometimes the live betting numbers are a little bit more
favorable than betting something before the game starts.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Jared Smith, he gives you all the details.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
I mean, I'll have with that little in game betting
advice as well, not just the pregame stuff. Jered do
the best man. Can't wait to hear you tomorrow morning.
It's countdown to kickoff. Start to get nine am Eastern Time,
only here on Fox Sports Radio, presented by Bett MGM.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Jared, thanks so much, good luck this weekend.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
Appreciate it, Doug, Go Phoenix
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