November 6, 2024 • 38 mins
For this edition of The Midway, Doug and the crew talk about the best stories from the first half of the NFL season. Doug reacts to Oklahoma State head coach Mike Gundy's apology. Doug and Dan Beyer chat about the college football playoff. Plus, Dan takes Doug through "The Press".
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Election night. Right, you're like getting lost in the wash,
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But we do this every Wednesday. Wednesday's Wednesday is the
middle of the week. Technically this is the middle of
our show because we also have the podcast hour, which
drops at the end of the show, and uh, it's
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we call it the midway. It's not getting.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
It's time for the middle the Midway.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Doug outlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's the
midway topic? You love?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
There?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I think this this really feels like a Dan Bayer
topic more than anything, right.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Wasn't my idea though, No, But I'm on board with
it though.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, because also Dan remembers every single story and every
single play from the for the first half. But Jase
stew it's your topic. We'll give you the floor.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Thanks Doug All taking from here. I was thinking, uh,
worth the exact halfway point? Remember eighteen weeks now, so
after nine weeks is the exact halfway point of the
football season, the NFL season I'd like to talk about
And you guys, I think we're gonna leave it. It's
a potluck. I think we're gonna leave it up to you,
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what's the best story of the first half. What's the
most surprising story? And maybe that's one and the same.
What's the biggest disappointment You guys know me, I'm I
skew negative. I always like disappointing things for my content.
So how about we give you guys a choice one
of the three or all three?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Or I think it can be all encompassing, like as
we just talk about stories like we don't have to.
We can categorize them, but we don't have to say,
like we do with love and hate, what's your love
and what's your hate? I think we could just say
the ups of one team are the downs of another.
I think that's fair, because I do you want me
to go first? Go ahead? I think it's the failure
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years of the New York Jets that is story Numero
uno of this season, because of the hype, because of
Aaron Rodgers, also because how it has transpired, the firing
of Robert Sala, the problems. I believe that the Jets
in their three and six record, not completely out of
it for the playoffs, but definitely an uphill climb, if
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you will. Right now, the first half story of the
NFL season.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I think that for those reasons. I think the the
premature fire into their head coach and then them just
trading for DeVante and trying to make that work. I
think that's what makes it intriguing as the weeks go by,
because I don't think Aaron Rodgers has anything is anything
close to what he what he once was, and just
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kind of trying to cater to him and his needs
in this moment is a trend wreck waiting to happen.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, I do think the Aaron Rodgers thing is gigantic.
That's a good one. I'm going to jump in and
say the Cowboys, it's not that they're bad, it's that
it's all encompassing. Right. You had the contract stuff with
Ceedee Lamb, you had the fact that they passed on
Derrick Henry. Then of course they acquiesced it, gave Dak
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Prescott a new deal, and that Dak Prescott has been
below even his own standard, and now they're an abject
disaster and he's out for a month. I would say
it's the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
The Cowboys are always a story. I think they're the
only team in the National Football League that we have
a specific segment for sure. We don't have one for
the Chiefs or the forty nine ers or anyone else.
But if you will see and I know that if
you're driving in your car, you're getting out of work,
maybe you're on a walk, you can't see the sheet
that we have on in our studio. And my out
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on on LAMB was that the Cowboys would miss the playoffs.
They would not make the playoffs this year, boom and
so seeing how things have transpired, Doug, You're right, the
Cowboys are always a story. But I can't say that
I'm shocked that they're sitting there at three and five.
Maybe how it is transpired, but there's a team with
no run game whatsoever. You're bringing in a defensive coordinator
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and Mike Zimmer, who I'm not sure how many other
guys around the teams around the league would go to
Mike Zimmers their defensive coordinator. They're so top heavy in
who they are. I just I had severe, significant questions
about the Cowboys this season, and to see them sitting
at three and five doesn't surprise me as much as
maybe as it would for others.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
What's worse than being bad in our.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Business, not being You're not interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Right, you're boring. They're boring to me. In fact, they're
kind of like Fast, the Fast and Furious movies in
the past, Like they always had a lot of glitz,
a lot of glamour, a lot of explosions, but they'd
always came up short, little empty calories. Now they're not
even that they're a boring team. I think the only
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the only way to salvage a great story coming out
of Dallas is if Cooper Rush, like he did a
couple of years ago, wins four games in a row
and then we're like, oh, we just gave Dak Prescott
a billion dollars and Cooper Rush just led us to
four wins in a row, and it'll be great trauma. Yeah,
I think boring is worse than bet. I'm going to
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bring something up that nobody expects and go ahead.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
So you had just one thing more thing about the Cowboys.
In their three wins this year, they had the opener
against the Browns. Well, now we know what the Browns are.
They were able to manage a victory against the Giants,
and we saw that Sunday night game against the Steelers
that was a back and forth affair that maybe maybe
shouldn't have been. But they were blown out by the Lions.
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They had They were being blown up by the Ravens
until they came back. They were blown out by the Saints,
they came back. They were being blown out by the
forty nine ers. And now you've got the Eagles, Texans
and Commanders in your next three weeks about your star quarterback.
He ain't gonna get any better. It is not all right,
very true, I am, I am.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I only allowed to suggest that this is not like
dim so I can have multiple things, right, sure. I
think the Steelers are a gigantic story. Steelers are one
of the most popular teams. Then they had justin fields
and Russell Wilson like that whole thing, how it would work,
and then they kind of won some games justin fields.
But most people are like, yeah, it look great. And
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then Russell Wilson, who you know, he's basically been let
go by his last two teams, and you know, for nothing.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I think Steelers, I would say specifically that quarterback quarterbah. Yeah,
the quarterback room in Pittsburgh. It has worked out.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
My pick, am I out on the limp pick here
in the studio, Steelers going to the AFC title games.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Still holding of that's all right, could be.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's still weird to say Commanders, you know, still weulred
to say commanders. But the Commanders have been the feel
good story. Yes, the Lions are the better team. But
for people who people who are young, if you're like
twenty five and younger, you have no idea the popularity
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of the than Washington Redskins. Right, Remember Joe Gibbs won
Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks, and I mean anybody
from that area because there used to be no Ravens,
and after the Colts slept, everything was Redskins, Redskins, red Redskins,
and they were like and the rivalry with the with
the Cowboys was huge, as it was with New York Giants.
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And to take a team that had been so downtrodden
felt like for so long. They've been the playoffs recent
but to have a rookie quarterback who won a Heisman,
that's usually the kiss of death in the NFL. Kingsbury,
who people thinks stuff doesn't work in the NFL, it has.
And then Dan Quick, who of course built that Cowboys defense,
took the Falcons to the Super Bowl. Bit was one
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of the architects of the Legion of Boom as well.
The Commanders are pretty big story too.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I have a I have a question for our listeners. Yeah,
who is in first place in the NFC West. I
guarantee you didn't know that the Arizona Cardinals are in
first place? I know.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I think Dan knew that.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Five and four.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
The reason why they're a good story is and I
drafted this guy in the second round and I know
their first round pick has been a disappointment. Marvin Harrison Junior.
I think has had like two games that have been
productive and then has been has like disappeared for quarters,
multiple quarters. So you asked, howard of Cardinals in first place?
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I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I don't leave it up to the Yeah, I'll tell
you how they're why they're rushing. This is what stood
out to me last year about the Arizona Cardinals. And
if you listen to my Sunday show with Carrier, I
sound like a broken record. Last year under Jonathan Gannon
in their first year, they played hard, they played for him,
They played for that team. There wasn't quit. Doug talked
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about his team on Monday. The best thing about it
was how they didn't quit and had what a nineteen
point lead ended up being a thirteen point you know
game at the end of the game. Arizona did not
quit last year. They only won four games, but they
played hard every game. And there's something about James Connor,
whether it be is about with cancer, whether it be
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you know, him being a field good story in Pittsburgh,
but then the Steelers not you know, wanting him around,
so he goes to Arizona. He is an absolute beast
and I think everything that James Connor is is representative
of the Arizona Cardinals. They went to San Francisco this year,
came back, won a game. They've got good players and
while Michael or excuse me, mar Verniers and Junior has
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been a disappointment, Michael Wilson is a nice second option
as a wide receiver. Trey McBride we all knew and
fantasy football, but like James Connor, seems to be the
heart and soul of that team, which is surprising because
I think we thought it was Kyler Murray, but they
are so a James Connor sort of team. And it's
not surprising when you see the volatility of Seattle and
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San Francisco and the ups and downs and the pieces
that the Rams have had to move in and out.
The Cardinals have actually been somewhat consistent in their pieces
and who they've had, and I think it's representative of
their solid running back.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I think Kyler Murray like the low hanging fruit for
people in our business, very low hanging, like unimaginative jokes,
like when the recent Call of Duty came out, like
the low hanging joke is like, well, there it goes
the game plan for the Cardinals this week. You know
that he's just preoccupied with his video game playing, and
I think that like this season to me, when I
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see him play and everything, I think, man, this is
a kid that's locked in. Like he's especially talented, but
like I kind of feel good for him.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Good for him.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Because, like I said, there's an easy joke in our
business about Kyler Murray and it's really damning that he
cares more about a video game than he does football.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
So good for him. There is something to watch second
half of the season with Murray and Marvin Harrison engineer though, yeah,
because they haven't necessarily been on the same page a lot,
because as Jason talked about, the maybe some o the
disappointment of Harrison so far at the start of the season. Remember,
Kyler also said like he wasn't going to force feed
him the football. And so if they're winning, it's not
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going to become an issue. We're not talking about it
to that point. And I think that's actually a good
thing with Arizona right now. But we'll see if it
pops up in the second half.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I have another get one team we haven't talked about. Dolphins. Dolphins, right,
Tua gets the big contract, Tyreek Hill gets arrested outside
the stadium. Everybody thought their coach is just like the
coolest you know you guys at Bentley. He's got old sunglasses,
he's got swag. They stick and and yes, one of
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the reason was they lost their quarterback. But even with them,
they're just not a very good football.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
I'll do credits. I'll give credit to Jason Stewart who
said that the Chiefs going for the three peat was
going to be the story of the of the season.
And right now undefeated.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, and not even looking all that, you know, they're
undefeated despite you see a lot of you know, flaws
with them. I mean, they're not They're not overwhelming people.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
They're three and a half up in the AFC West too.
That's what that's what else is crazy?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
How about two running backs going to teams whose logos
are birds and doing very very well, Derrick Henry and
Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Trades, Sue Barkley leaping over small buildings and seeing a
single ballot. That stuff's crazy. The saque Barkley video from
this past weekend is crazy.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I'll tell you what. It's a. It's a it's a
very good point. And there's a bigger thing that we
actually talked about a week ago on the I Want
Your Flex podcast. When you look at the rushing leaders
in the National Football League, what what do you notice
from these from these rushing leaders? And I'm going to
give you the yard.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
You had to bring up the Russians a day after
the elect Russians.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
The three running backs who are averaging over one hundred
yards per game, Jason's a little close, but it's not
exactly where we're going. Are Derek Henry, Saquon Barkley, and
Jill Mixon. All three are on new teams this year.
It isn't the death of the running back that we
thought it was these guys maybe the top of the
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food chain of running backs, but they have been such
a huge boost. Josh Jacobs in Green Bay doesn't have
the yards per game average, but when you talk about
total yards, he's third in the NFL and rushing right now. Sure,
So you know he goes from a you know, from
the Raiders to the Packers.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Aaron Jones for the Vikings has played well.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, absolutely, JK. Dobbins go from the Ravens to the Chargers.
All of these. Yeah, these new old faces and new
places has been a theme when you're looking at the
running game in the NFL, and we but think it's
such a dying breed, but really maybe it's just because
how we've treated it previously. And so you've had success
with guys in new places this year at running.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Back pretty good, it's pretty good well, and that actually
is a byproduct of what we talked about last year.
Last year was the story of the running back with discontent,
you know over the contracts top and so many of
them actually changed teams and they've had some success.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
So DeAndre Hopkins is a perfect example. He goes from
the Chiefs and everybody it's like, oh, my goodness, they're
going to be unstoppable. DeAndre Hopkins, well, I'd rather catch
passes from Patrick Mahomes than Will Levis and Mason Rudolph
no offense, and he's a friend of the show, but
Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes. I'd rather run behind the
Philly offensive line than, you know, than what the Giants
had put up the previous couple of years. You know,
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there's certain places are just better options for other places,
and I'm wondering if we're going to see that in
future years with the teams who you know, invest in
the offensive line and have strong fronts. I do want
to give a shout out to the Lions as well,
because I did pick them to win the Super Bowl
and they have done nothing so far to think that
they aren't on that track to represent the NFC. Props
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to the Lions.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, I think My thing with the Lions was like
just it's so hard to be consistent and you think, okay, well,
you know, you have a guy who should be a
head coach and he turns down head coaching opportunities to
remain as assistant coach. Like that all doesn't always work out,
and you know what, it has in this particular case,
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everything has worked out perfectly.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
And I'm my final submission to this, I don't think
San Francisco is a story because I think everybody is
split on what they think is going to happen with
the Niners, So they've just been kind of, you know,
going along. But we don't think we've seen the full
San Francisco forty nine ers. And maybe we will this
week with Christian McCaffrey finally back, but you're not gonna
have Brandon Ayuk the rest of the season. I'm still
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I'm not as bullish on the forty nine ers, and
I think there are some people think, like, oh, later
on in the season they'll turn it on. I think
they're more of a second half story than a first
half story for San Francisco.
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I saw these comments from Mike Gundy in print and
then I listened to him and I was like, oooh,
so look it's Miles Mater. Mike Gundy's a friend. I've
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been critical of him to start the season when he
he had some interesting comments regarding Ollie Gordon, star star
of running backs. DUI, I think you can be critical
of somebody when they like even friends. That's what real
friends do. But he's without any question, the most successful
coach in the history of Oklahoma State, not just the winningest.
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But they're gonna Cowboys gonna have their second losing season.
Onlyo losing season was his first year when he got
rid of some some players right before the season began.
So a team that was top fifteen to start the season,
picked by many people to win the Big Twelve has
and in disappointment. Now they've lost their three best defensive
players and they have statistically the worst defense in the country.
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But this was Mike Gundy. Remember they lost homecoming to
Arizona State, and it wasn't because Dan Byer and Jason
Stewart were there, although that probably didn't help. Here was
this comments Monday.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Well, that's what happens in college athletics, and as Jenny said,
she's exactly right. It's just on the bigger stage where
people can voice their opinion. And in most cases the
people that are negative and the voice in their opinion
and the same ones that can't pay their own bills,
they're not taking care of themselves, they're not taking care
of their own family, they're not taking care of their
their their own job, but they have an obligation to
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speak out and complain about others because it makes them
feel better.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, so he's being critical of the criticism, the constant criticism.
Then today on AXE, he wrote, I apologize to those
who's my comments, to those who my comments during Monday's
media call offended. My intent was not to offend any
of our fans who have supported us in this program
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through the years, which lends the reason I will What
was your intent? I mean is it end was clearly
at the idea that people can be constantly negative. I
actually can understand some of this with coach Gundy. And
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you're gonna say, I know a Jason's thinking. I think
I know what Dan's thinking and what Sam is thing
is like, oh now you're a coach, you're defending the coaches. No,
there's some people I know who somewhere were even are,
but many were. A couple were in the media, and
it's like anytime anything goes bad, they just ramp up
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the criticism. Look, I think it's fair to criticize this group.
It's also fair to contextualize it with Hey, they did
have some major injuries on the defensive side of the football,
but there was never a moment this year where you're like,
I mean, I guess the Arkansas game, You're like, this game,
this team is gonna be really good and they had
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some injuries. Because there's a a bunch of layers to
it's the here's the deal, okay. One the idea that
I apologize to those who I offended, Like, just apologize,
Just go my comments probably didn't come out the way
that I want them to come out, and I just
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I apologize. We got to be better, we got to
do better. We're just as discippointed as you are, We're
going to work diligently to make it right like we
always have here. I think that's the only possible response
you could have. I mean, look, if somebody is critical
of me, my own friends and this is how you know,
like I have, my high school coach called me. My
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two best friends in basketball are both head coaches, and
they both called me and they were like, are they
going to bury you with those timeouts? Because you had
still had one and you actually had three at the
time they're making the run and you didn't call a
time And I'm like, you're you're right. I was wrong.
I made some mistakes. I'll do better and I jotted
down some notes. Got to figure it out. But you
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gotta take criticism if you're going to be in place
of leadership. On the other hand, it does become tiresome
when people are just constantly critical and they don't ever
give you the benefit of doubt. They don't give you
the benefit of doubt.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
And Doug, he's had eighteen straight winning seasons. Yeah, so
you know there's going to be a clunker for whatever reasons.
There's going to be a clunker that happens at some
point with most programs.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Well, they had a clunker two years ago too, the
season fell apart, and then last year they started poorly
and ended really really strong, and everybody thought, with most
everybody come back, they would be great this year, and
it hasn't happened. I also want to point out the
realities that no one else is saying outside of probably
the SEC network, right. The difference in the Big Twelve
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and the SEC is. The perfect example is Oklahoma State.
Oklahoma State, after playing Arkansas, suffered a couple of really
tough injuries and they've completely fallen apart. And yes, they
beat Arkansas, that's one game. The deal with the SEC
is you have to play against SEC teams every single week.
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And you're like, well that does It doesn't mean you
can't meet an SEC team if you're in a league
not named the Big Ten, even the Big Ten doesn't mean.
But can you beat those teams week after week after week?
I don't think the answer is yes. I looked at
the college football rankings yesterday when they came out, and
I was like, this is a joke. It's a joke
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to me, you know, it is LSU and Ole Miss
are behind SMU and A and M are behind SMU,
you know, and BYU and Indiana and even maybe less
you said Penn State, Like, I think, why I use
an unbelievable story. Oklahoma State had him dead to rights.
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Outside of that, their biggest win is Kansas State, and
of course they beat SMU as well. Who has SMU beaten?
It's and it's not that you have to beat one
of these teams. SMU's two best wins are PITT and
who in Louisville, Like, come on, man, what are we doing?
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Compare that to LSU and what they who they have
played against. I'm not an SEC guy, but I completely
understand that it is a We're talking about a different sport,
a different sport. Yes, LSU lost to USC, but then
they beat Ole Miss. They've beaten Arkansas. Obviously, they lost
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to A and M. We'll see what happens this week.
They beat South Carolina, eleve is a pretty good team,
beat UCLA handily. It's the attrition. And what I mean
by the difference is Oklahoma State and Arkansas is Arkansas.
They all lose, guys. The differences in depth of players,
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quality of player for some of these teams top level
is good at positions, but you lose a guy. And
the differences in the SEC because they have so much money,
the backups are generally either not freshmen or they're five
star freshmen. She just a different depth of talent. And
I feel like everyone knows that. And I don't know
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why we do this song and to dance and pretend
like there's some like parody out there.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Yes, Dan, yeah, you're right, there isn't parody. But I
don't think that people want a thirty two team sub NFL,
and I think that's what you would get if you
are just basically taking all of the SEC in the
Big ten.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
So no, I understand. I know people don't want that.
I understand. But we're lying to ourselves, right, we just are.
We're going like like SA against LSU as CMU plays
LSU this week neutral Field, Dan Byer, you have to
bet your life saving city.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Better on Yeah, you're betting it on LSU.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Correct for sure. And that's and again we you love
Ohio State, you watch the Big Ten. You're kind of
Big ten guy. I love Oklahoma State. I'm a Big
twelve guy. I love the Big twelve. But like, what
we what are we doing like we're doing the rankings
for the who should be the twelve best teams. I
know we don't want to have it that way, but
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it's a completely different This is like the Yankees and
the Dodgers. It's like, come on, folks, what are we doing?
If the Yankees and Dodgers went based upon rankings like
come on, better players?
Speaker 4 (26:41):
So this is this is then you know, it ends
up trickling down to the point of Okay, so then
the SEC and the Big Ten get better access to
the College Football Playoff. Yes, then what do all of
those other leagues happen with those schools? Those other schools
then want to leave their league to go into the
Big Ten in the SEC, and then now you've got
this again to Super.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Well, then I think what happens is what's happened to Oklahoma? Well,
you're irrelevant the league that's too big for you.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
But like Florida State and Clemson and those schools that
we think wanted out of the ACC but ended up
are sticking around. You go to that faction of it
where now they only get a quarter of the opportunities
to make to make a bracket. They're saying to themselves
would We'd rather just be in We'd rather take our
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chances and see if we would be in Oklahoma or
not be in Oklahoma, than to just stay in this
league and have the limited opportunities where we almost have
to play perfect football and by the way, make a
heck of a lot less money in doing so. I
just you know, I mean, we're a half season into
we haven't even had a twelve team playoff, and I
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just think that it I understand you're speaking in reality. Yeah,
that's the tough part for me as someone who's been
a college football fan for so long, is I don't
want that to be my college football reality.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I know, I know. It's it's like, we're we played
Okahoma State. We're gonna play Ohio State. Ohio State and
basketball huge payroll. Now, could we have picked off Oklahoma State?
You know, we got to be about thirteen, we're down ninety.
Can we picked them off?
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Like?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, we could have picked them up? Like I did
a couple things better, We played a little bit better.
We got a couple guys coming off injury. If they
were a little better, maybe, But could we could we
beat teams consistently in the big time? Like no, come on, man,
it's like a different sport now. It's the beauty of
the tournament is and basketball is a little b different.
You got a three point shot, different evaluation for different
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valuation for different spots. So it does, it can ultimately
even things out. But like in football, football is such
a sport of attrition. And remember we were talking about
who is actually the best, not who's the most deserving.
No one's said deserving when they have to come up
with the college ball ring as they say the best,
and I just I see some of these rankings and
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Speaker 4 (29:57):
A bunch to get to, but we start with a
story that actually he broke yesterday and kind of got
lost in the shuffle of everything that went on. Seventy
six Er center Joel Embiid suspended three games by the
NBA for shoving a reporter following a game against the
Grizzlies this past Saturday.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, I can't do that. I can't do that. And
Jojo clearly frustrated at how he feels like he's being
treated or mistreated. All I'd said, don't put chans on
another person.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Easy, Yes, and the suspension will begin until he is
fully healthy and fully.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I like that one too, Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I like that especially, Yeah, because otherwise it'd be pretty
easy to just be like, yeah, yeah, he's out the
next three games. He wasn't going to play anyway. The
seventy six ers, by the way, in action tonight against
the Clippers here in Los Angeles. All right, Doug, the
election is over, but why not look ahead to twenty
twenty eight? In a sports sort of view, Ben Online
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has put out odds and who is likely to win
the twenty twenty eight US presidential election jd Vance right
now of all candidates three to one, Josh Shapiro four
to one, Gavin Newsom seven to one. Well, Donald Trump,
who just won the president Trump winning the election last
night twenty to one. But in a sports view, for
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I guess former Dallas Mavericks owner since he sold, you know,
majority of the shares away, Mark Cuban twenty to one,
the Rock would be at twenty five to one odds,
Steve ballmer Clippers owner, two hundred and fifty to one. Well,
New York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers, amongst a host of
athletes listed with five hundred to one odds to be
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the to win the next presidential election in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Question for you, Dan, yep, how can Donald Trump even
be on that list if he finishes his second term?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
That is a very very good question.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
You want to know the answer?
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Well, it's very good chance Donald Trump has a chance
to put two more Supreme Court justice on the on
the board. And there's a world out there where I
think people are freaked out, think Donald Trump will eliminate
term limits on the present on the president.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
It's correct.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I knew that already. I just didn't want to say
it out because totally our country ever came to that,
it would be a not a good thing.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Well, I just that's you. You asked the question, and dog.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
I did want to provoke the conversation.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I guess sure.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
You know one guy not on that list from sports,
Steve Garvey. He got his ass kicked yesterday. Maybe the
worst human being to ever play sports. Every teammate has
been on a record saying that he hates him. He's
in an election where people were looking for reasons to
vote for Republicans yesterday and he got his ass kicked. So,
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Steve Garvey, this whole politician play that you've been drumming
up since your mid twenties on the Dodgers and being
very fake and disingenuine, you can go away now.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Steve Garvey is on this list. He's at five hundred
to one, yes, joining Aaron Rodgers in the five hundred
to one group. I'll tell you what, the five hundred
to one group is even more amazing than the five
thousand to one group. Really, but yes, yes, So the
five hundred to one group includes Lebron, James Peyton, Manning, Yeah,
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Steve Cohen, Mets owner Terry Pagoula, the Bills owner, Tiger Woods,
Tom Brady, and outside of the sports world, Tom Hanks,
Woopy Goldberg, Matt Damon, Howard Stern, John Oliver who wasn't
born in the United.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
States, Booie Boye.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
And Tim Walls pretty amazing one thousand to one. A
Rod Charles.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Barkley, I'm reading, Brady, Hey, I'm just reading.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
I'm reading.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
I've got President Mahomes Hail to the Chief.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Dana White one thousand to one, Genie Buss one thousand
to one, Joe Joe Biden's one thousand and one, John
Cena one thousand and one, Nick Saban one thousand to one,
Roger Goodell one thousand to one, and Steve Kerr one thousand.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Steve one.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Is Steph Curry and Shaquille O'Neill and Snoop Dogg and
finally the five thousand to one President Clint Eastwood five
thousand to one.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
He's what ninety five now, so he'll be ninety nine
or something when we alive.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Yeah, Jill Biden, Mel Gibson and Greg Popovich. Did I
every five thousand?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Mel Gibson wasn't born in this country? Was he?
Speaker 3 (34:47):
No?
Speaker 5 (34:48):
He was he? Actually I read about him. He was
born in New York and then he grew up in Australia,
So he is a American. I didn't know that until recently.
Where's Kamala Harris on the list? She not on the
list at all? Did you read her name?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Well?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
No, you he went to the sports ones first. But
let me let me take it. Well, she's not not
in the not in the early parts. I'm trying to
scan through this and maybe there was a there was
a note about it, but uh oh, two and fifty
one okay, So yeah, along along with the likes of
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Bill Maher and Bill.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Gates, Shapiro Shapiro versus Vans okay.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Oprah's two hundred and fifty to one, as is Tucker
Carlson Joe Rogan two hundred to one.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Just draw someone's name out of a hat, all those names,
throw them a hat, just picks up, well, listen.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
It does it?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Like?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Look the guys he's he's been on on reality TV,
he's been a businessman, he's had bankruptcies, he's had divorces,
you know, he's had belanies, and yet here he is
president of United States. Again, the point is, all the
things that used to preclude you from being president the
United States apparently now don't. That's the point. So that's
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what America wanted, That's what America gets low. That's really
the point of this list, which, as bizarre as it sounds,
you're like, you know what, if Trump can win another time,
why not? It's not crazy. Anything you thought was crazy
before is no longer crazy.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Can I tell you the craziest thing about this long list?
And I left out ted leonsis in the sports category,
owner of the Wizards and the Wizards in the capitals.
There's one person listed at three hundred to one, which
I did the five hundred to ones, and there are
a bunch of crazy names, and I did the two
hundred and fifty to ones and they're not as crazy,
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but just not as likely. But for some reason, this
person has found their pocket with the only one at
three hundred to one odds, Leonardo DiCaprio. No one else
is listed at three hundred to one on this list
from bet online except Leo. He is the only one
but he is listed at three hundred to one. It's
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kind of like when you, you know, charge four dollars for
like a lemonade stand, We'll just charge five because it's
a lot easier that way. There seem to be some
work in getting Leonardo DiCaprio at three hundred to one.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Least had three hundred girlfriends. So hey, there's one more
let name on that list. It's I'm looking it up
right now.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Is Didty on the list?
Speaker 5 (37:30):
He's not. I'm finding this. One's eight thousand and one,
Dan Bayer, Dan Byers too, and so I'm going to
be right present this.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Make sure, Oh man, that's what I was insulting most
by that. Come on, come on, people, that's the press.
May get out there and press.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
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But we do this every Wednesday. Wednesday's Wednesday is the
middle of the week. Technically this is the middle of
our show because we also have the podcast hour, which
drops at the end of the show, and uh, it's
the middle of the day for many of you, so
we call it the midway. It's not getting.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
It's time for the middle the Midway.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Doug outlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's the
midway topic? You love?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
There?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I think this this really feels like a Dan Bayer
topic more than anything, right.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Wasn't my idea though, No, But I'm on board with
it though.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, because also Dan remembers every single story and every
single play from the for the first half. But Jase
stew it's your topic. We'll give you the floor.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Thanks Doug All taking from here. I was thinking, uh,
worth the exact halfway point? Remember eighteen weeks now, so
after nine weeks is the exact halfway point of the
football season, the NFL season I'd like to talk about
And you guys, I think we're gonna leave it. It's
a potluck. I think we're gonna leave it up to you,
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what's the best story of the first half. What's the
most surprising story? And maybe that's one and the same.
What's the biggest disappointment You guys know me, I'm I
skew negative. I always like disappointing things for my content.
So how about we give you guys a choice one
of the three or all three?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Or I think it can be all encompassing, like as
we just talk about stories like we don't have to.
We can categorize them, but we don't have to say,
like we do with love and hate, what's your love
and what's your hate? I think we could just say
the ups of one team are the downs of another.
I think that's fair, because I do you want me
to go first? Go ahead? I think it's the failure
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years of the New York Jets that is story Numero
uno of this season, because of the hype, because of
Aaron Rodgers, also because how it has transpired, the firing
of Robert Sala, the problems. I believe that the Jets
in their three and six record, not completely out of
it for the playoffs, but definitely an uphill climb, if
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you will. Right now, the first half story of the
NFL season.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I think that for those reasons. I think the the
premature fire into their head coach and then them just
trading for DeVante and trying to make that work. I
think that's what makes it intriguing as the weeks go by,
because I don't think Aaron Rodgers has anything is anything
close to what he what he once was, and just
(03:50):
kind of trying to cater to him and his needs
in this moment is a trend wreck waiting to happen.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, I do think the Aaron Rodgers thing is gigantic.
That's a good one. I'm going to jump in and
say the Cowboys, it's not that they're bad, it's that
it's all encompassing. Right. You had the contract stuff with
Ceedee Lamb, you had the fact that they passed on
Derrick Henry. Then of course they acquiesced it, gave Dak
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Prescott a new deal, and that Dak Prescott has been
below even his own standard, and now they're an abject
disaster and he's out for a month. I would say
it's the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
The Cowboys are always a story. I think they're the
only team in the National Football League that we have
a specific segment for sure. We don't have one for
the Chiefs or the forty nine ers or anyone else.
But if you will see and I know that if
you're driving in your car, you're getting out of work,
maybe you're on a walk, you can't see the sheet
that we have on in our studio. And my out
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on on LAMB was that the Cowboys would miss the playoffs.
They would not make the playoffs this year, boom and
so seeing how things have transpired, Doug, You're right, the
Cowboys are always a story. But I can't say that
I'm shocked that they're sitting there at three and five.
Maybe how it is transpired, but there's a team with
no run game whatsoever. You're bringing in a defensive coordinator
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and Mike Zimmer, who I'm not sure how many other
guys around the teams around the league would go to
Mike Zimmers their defensive coordinator. They're so top heavy in
who they are. I just I had severe, significant questions
about the Cowboys this season, and to see them sitting
at three and five doesn't surprise me as much as
maybe as it would for others.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
What's worse than being bad in our.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Business, not being You're not interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Right, you're boring. They're boring to me. In fact, they're
kind of like Fast, the Fast and Furious movies in
the past, Like they always had a lot of glitz,
a lot of glamour, a lot of explosions, but they'd
always came up short, little empty calories. Now they're not
even that they're a boring team. I think the only
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the only way to salvage a great story coming out
of Dallas is if Cooper Rush, like he did a
couple of years ago, wins four games in a row
and then we're like, oh, we just gave Dak Prescott
a billion dollars and Cooper Rush just led us to
four wins in a row, and it'll be great trauma. Yeah,
I think boring is worse than bet. I'm going to
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bring something up that nobody expects and go ahead.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
So you had just one thing more thing about the Cowboys.
In their three wins this year, they had the opener
against the Browns. Well, now we know what the Browns are.
They were able to manage a victory against the Giants,
and we saw that Sunday night game against the Steelers
that was a back and forth affair that maybe maybe
shouldn't have been. But they were blown out by the Lions.
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They had They were being blown up by the Ravens
until they came back. They were blown out by the Saints,
they came back. They were being blown out by the
forty nine ers. And now you've got the Eagles, Texans
and Commanders in your next three weeks about your star quarterback.
He ain't gonna get any better. It is not all right,
very true, I am, I am.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I only allowed to suggest that this is not like
dim so I can have multiple things, right, sure. I
think the Steelers are a gigantic story. Steelers are one
of the most popular teams. Then they had justin fields
and Russell Wilson like that whole thing, how it would work,
and then they kind of won some games justin fields.
But most people are like, yeah, it look great. And
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then Russell Wilson, who you know, he's basically been let
go by his last two teams, and you know, for nothing.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I think Steelers, I would say specifically that quarterback quarterbah. Yeah,
the quarterback room in Pittsburgh. It has worked out.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
My pick, am I out on the limp pick here
in the studio, Steelers going to the AFC title games.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Still holding of that's all right, could be.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's still weird to say Commanders, you know, still weulred
to say commanders. But the Commanders have been the feel
good story. Yes, the Lions are the better team. But
for people who people who are young, if you're like
twenty five and younger, you have no idea the popularity
(08:22):
of the than Washington Redskins. Right, Remember Joe Gibbs won
Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks, and I mean anybody
from that area because there used to be no Ravens,
and after the Colts slept, everything was Redskins, Redskins, red Redskins,
and they were like and the rivalry with the with
the Cowboys was huge, as it was with New York Giants.
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And to take a team that had been so downtrodden
felt like for so long. They've been the playoffs recent
but to have a rookie quarterback who won a Heisman,
that's usually the kiss of death in the NFL. Kingsbury,
who people thinks stuff doesn't work in the NFL, it has.
And then Dan Quick, who of course built that Cowboys defense,
took the Falcons to the Super Bowl. Bit was one
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of the architects of the Legion of Boom as well.
The Commanders are pretty big story too.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I have a I have a question for our listeners. Yeah,
who is in first place in the NFC West. I
guarantee you didn't know that the Arizona Cardinals are in
first place? I know.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I think Dan knew that.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Five and four.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
The reason why they're a good story is and I
drafted this guy in the second round and I know
their first round pick has been a disappointment. Marvin Harrison Junior.
I think has had like two games that have been
productive and then has been has like disappeared for quarters,
multiple quarters. So you asked, howard of Cardinals in first place?
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I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I don't leave it up to the Yeah, I'll tell
you how they're why they're rushing. This is what stood
out to me last year about the Arizona Cardinals. And
if you listen to my Sunday show with Carrier, I
sound like a broken record. Last year under Jonathan Gannon
in their first year, they played hard, they played for him,
They played for that team. There wasn't quit. Doug talked
(10:10):
about his team on Monday. The best thing about it
was how they didn't quit and had what a nineteen
point lead ended up being a thirteen point you know
game at the end of the game. Arizona did not
quit last year. They only won four games, but they
played hard every game. And there's something about James Connor,
whether it be is about with cancer, whether it be
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you know, him being a field good story in Pittsburgh,
but then the Steelers not you know, wanting him around,
so he goes to Arizona. He is an absolute beast
and I think everything that James Connor is is representative
of the Arizona Cardinals. They went to San Francisco this year,
came back, won a game. They've got good players and
while Michael or excuse me, mar Verniers and Junior has
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been a disappointment, Michael Wilson is a nice second option
as a wide receiver. Trey McBride we all knew and
fantasy football, but like James Connor, seems to be the
heart and soul of that team, which is surprising because
I think we thought it was Kyler Murray, but they
are so a James Connor sort of team. And it's
not surprising when you see the volatility of Seattle and
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San Francisco and the ups and downs and the pieces
that the Rams have had to move in and out.
The Cardinals have actually been somewhat consistent in their pieces
and who they've had, and I think it's representative of
their solid running back.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I think Kyler Murray like the low hanging fruit for
people in our business, very low hanging, like unimaginative jokes,
like when the recent Call of Duty came out, like
the low hanging joke is like, well, there it goes
the game plan for the Cardinals this week. You know
that he's just preoccupied with his video game playing, and
I think that like this season to me, when I
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see him play and everything, I think, man, this is
a kid that's locked in. Like he's especially talented, but
like I kind of feel good for him.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Good for him.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Because, like I said, there's an easy joke in our
business about Kyler Murray and it's really damning that he
cares more about a video game than he does football.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
So good for him. There is something to watch second
half of the season with Murray and Marvin Harrison engineer though, yeah,
because they haven't necessarily been on the same page a lot,
because as Jason talked about, the maybe some o the
disappointment of Harrison so far at the start of the season. Remember,
Kyler also said like he wasn't going to force feed
him the football. And so if they're winning, it's not
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going to become an issue. We're not talking about it
to that point. And I think that's actually a good
thing with Arizona right now. But we'll see if it
pops up in the second half.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I have another get one team we haven't talked about. Dolphins. Dolphins, right,
Tua gets the big contract, Tyreek Hill gets arrested outside
the stadium. Everybody thought their coach is just like the
coolest you know you guys at Bentley. He's got old sunglasses,
he's got swag. They stick and and yes, one of
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the reason was they lost their quarterback. But even with them,
they're just not a very good football.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
I'll do credits. I'll give credit to Jason Stewart who
said that the Chiefs going for the three peat was
going to be the story of the of the season.
And right now undefeated.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, and not even looking all that, you know, they're
undefeated despite you see a lot of you know, flaws
with them. I mean, they're not They're not overwhelming people.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
They're three and a half up in the AFC West too.
That's what that's what else is crazy?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
How about two running backs going to teams whose logos
are birds and doing very very well, Derrick Henry and
Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Trades, Sue Barkley leaping over small buildings and seeing a
single ballot. That stuff's crazy. The saque Barkley video from
this past weekend is crazy.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I'll tell you what. It's a. It's a it's a
very good point. And there's a bigger thing that we
actually talked about a week ago on the I Want
Your Flex podcast. When you look at the rushing leaders
in the National Football League, what what do you notice
from these from these rushing leaders? And I'm going to
give you the yard.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
You had to bring up the Russians a day after
the elect Russians.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
The three running backs who are averaging over one hundred
yards per game, Jason's a little close, but it's not
exactly where we're going. Are Derek Henry, Saquon Barkley, and
Jill Mixon. All three are on new teams this year.
It isn't the death of the running back that we
thought it was these guys maybe the top of the
(14:41):
food chain of running backs, but they have been such
a huge boost. Josh Jacobs in Green Bay doesn't have
the yards per game average, but when you talk about
total yards, he's third in the NFL and rushing right now. Sure,
So you know he goes from a you know, from
the Raiders to the Packers.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Aaron Jones for the Vikings has played well.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, absolutely, JK. Dobbins go from the Ravens to the Chargers.
All of these. Yeah, these new old faces and new
places has been a theme when you're looking at the
running game in the NFL, and we but think it's
such a dying breed, but really maybe it's just because
how we've treated it previously. And so you've had success
with guys in new places this year at running.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Back pretty good, it's pretty good well, and that actually
is a byproduct of what we talked about last year.
Last year was the story of the running back with discontent,
you know over the contracts top and so many of
them actually changed teams and they've had some success.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
So DeAndre Hopkins is a perfect example. He goes from
the Chiefs and everybody it's like, oh, my goodness, they're
going to be unstoppable. DeAndre Hopkins, well, I'd rather catch
passes from Patrick Mahomes than Will Levis and Mason Rudolph
no offense, and he's a friend of the show, but
Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes. I'd rather run behind the
Philly offensive line than, you know, than what the Giants
had put up the previous couple of years. You know,
(15:55):
there's certain places are just better options for other places,
and I'm wondering if we're going to see that in
future years with the teams who you know, invest in
the offensive line and have strong fronts. I do want
to give a shout out to the Lions as well,
because I did pick them to win the Super Bowl
and they have done nothing so far to think that
they aren't on that track to represent the NFC. Props
(16:17):
to the Lions.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, I think My thing with the Lions was like
just it's so hard to be consistent and you think, okay, well,
you know, you have a guy who should be a
head coach and he turns down head coaching opportunities to
remain as assistant coach. Like that all doesn't always work out,
and you know what, it has in this particular case,
(16:38):
everything has worked out perfectly.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
And I'm my final submission to this, I don't think
San Francisco is a story because I think everybody is
split on what they think is going to happen with
the Niners, So they've just been kind of, you know,
going along. But we don't think we've seen the full
San Francisco forty nine ers. And maybe we will this
week with Christian McCaffrey finally back, but you're not gonna
have Brandon Ayuk the rest of the season. I'm still
(17:01):
I'm not as bullish on the forty nine ers, and
I think there are some people think, like, oh, later
on in the season they'll turn it on. I think
they're more of a second half story than a first
half story for San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
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I saw these comments from Mike Gundy in print and
then I listened to him and I was like, oooh,
so look it's Miles Mater. Mike Gundy's a friend. I've
(18:10):
been critical of him to start the season when he
he had some interesting comments regarding Ollie Gordon, star star
of running backs. DUI, I think you can be critical
of somebody when they like even friends. That's what real
friends do. But he's without any question, the most successful
coach in the history of Oklahoma State, not just the winningest.
(18:30):
But they're gonna Cowboys gonna have their second losing season.
Onlyo losing season was his first year when he got
rid of some some players right before the season began.
So a team that was top fifteen to start the season,
picked by many people to win the Big Twelve has
and in disappointment. Now they've lost their three best defensive
players and they have statistically the worst defense in the country.
(18:53):
But this was Mike Gundy. Remember they lost homecoming to
Arizona State, and it wasn't because Dan Byer and Jason
Stewart were there, although that probably didn't help. Here was
this comments Monday.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Well, that's what happens in college athletics, and as Jenny said,
she's exactly right. It's just on the bigger stage where
people can voice their opinion. And in most cases the
people that are negative and the voice in their opinion
and the same ones that can't pay their own bills,
they're not taking care of themselves, they're not taking care
of their own family, they're not taking care of their
their their own job, but they have an obligation to
(19:26):
speak out and complain about others because it makes them
feel better.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, so he's being critical of the criticism, the constant criticism.
Then today on AXE, he wrote, I apologize to those
who's my comments, to those who my comments during Monday's
media call offended. My intent was not to offend any
of our fans who have supported us in this program
(19:53):
through the years, which lends the reason I will What
was your intent? I mean is it end was clearly
at the idea that people can be constantly negative. I
actually can understand some of this with coach Gundy. And
(20:13):
you're gonna say, I know a Jason's thinking. I think
I know what Dan's thinking and what Sam is thing
is like, oh now you're a coach, you're defending the coaches. No,
there's some people I know who somewhere were even are,
but many were. A couple were in the media, and
it's like anytime anything goes bad, they just ramp up
(20:36):
the criticism. Look, I think it's fair to criticize this group.
It's also fair to contextualize it with Hey, they did
have some major injuries on the defensive side of the football,
but there was never a moment this year where you're like,
I mean, I guess the Arkansas game, You're like, this game,
this team is gonna be really good and they had
(20:57):
some injuries. Because there's a a bunch of layers to
it's the here's the deal, okay. One the idea that
I apologize to those who I offended, Like, just apologize,
Just go my comments probably didn't come out the way
that I want them to come out, and I just
(21:18):
I apologize. We got to be better, we got to
do better. We're just as discippointed as you are, We're
going to work diligently to make it right like we
always have here. I think that's the only possible response
you could have. I mean, look, if somebody is critical
of me, my own friends and this is how you know,
like I have, my high school coach called me. My
(21:38):
two best friends in basketball are both head coaches, and
they both called me and they were like, are they
going to bury you with those timeouts? Because you had
still had one and you actually had three at the
time they're making the run and you didn't call a
time And I'm like, you're you're right. I was wrong.
I made some mistakes. I'll do better and I jotted
down some notes. Got to figure it out. But you
(22:06):
gotta take criticism if you're going to be in place
of leadership. On the other hand, it does become tiresome
when people are just constantly critical and they don't ever
give you the benefit of doubt. They don't give you
the benefit of doubt.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
And Doug, he's had eighteen straight winning seasons. Yeah, so
you know there's going to be a clunker for whatever reasons.
There's going to be a clunker that happens at some
point with most programs.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Well, they had a clunker two years ago too, the
season fell apart, and then last year they started poorly
and ended really really strong, and everybody thought, with most
everybody come back, they would be great this year, and
it hasn't happened. I also want to point out the
realities that no one else is saying outside of probably
the SEC network, right. The difference in the Big Twelve
(22:57):
and the SEC is. The perfect example is Oklahoma State.
Oklahoma State, after playing Arkansas, suffered a couple of really
tough injuries and they've completely fallen apart. And yes, they
beat Arkansas, that's one game. The deal with the SEC
is you have to play against SEC teams every single week.
(23:18):
And you're like, well that does It doesn't mean you
can't meet an SEC team if you're in a league
not named the Big Ten, even the Big Ten doesn't mean.
But can you beat those teams week after week after week?
I don't think the answer is yes. I looked at
the college football rankings yesterday when they came out, and
I was like, this is a joke. It's a joke
(23:40):
to me, you know, it is LSU and Ole Miss
are behind SMU and A and M are behind SMU,
you know, and BYU and Indiana and even maybe less
you said Penn State, Like, I think, why I use
an unbelievable story. Oklahoma State had him dead to rights.
(24:03):
Outside of that, their biggest win is Kansas State, and
of course they beat SMU as well. Who has SMU beaten?
It's and it's not that you have to beat one
of these teams. SMU's two best wins are PITT and
who in Louisville, Like, come on, man, what are we doing?
(24:26):
Compare that to LSU and what they who they have
played against. I'm not an SEC guy, but I completely
understand that it is a We're talking about a different sport,
a different sport. Yes, LSU lost to USC, but then
they beat Ole Miss. They've beaten Arkansas. Obviously, they lost
(24:49):
to A and M. We'll see what happens this week.
They beat South Carolina, eleve is a pretty good team,
beat UCLA handily. It's the attrition. And what I mean
by the difference is Oklahoma State and Arkansas is Arkansas.
They all lose, guys. The differences in depth of players,
(25:09):
quality of player for some of these teams top level
is good at positions, but you lose a guy. And
the differences in the SEC because they have so much money,
the backups are generally either not freshmen or they're five
star freshmen. She just a different depth of talent. And
I feel like everyone knows that. And I don't know
(25:29):
why we do this song and to dance and pretend
like there's some like parody out there.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Yes, Dan, yeah, you're right, there isn't parody. But I
don't think that people want a thirty two team sub NFL,
and I think that's what you would get if you
are just basically taking all of the SEC in the
Big ten.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
So no, I understand. I know people don't want that.
I understand. But we're lying to ourselves, right, we just are.
We're going like like SA against LSU as CMU plays
LSU this week neutral Field, Dan Byer, you have to
bet your life saving city.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Better on Yeah, you're betting it on LSU.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Correct for sure. And that's and again we you love
Ohio State, you watch the Big Ten. You're kind of
Big ten guy. I love Oklahoma State. I'm a Big
twelve guy. I love the Big twelve. But like, what
we what are we doing like we're doing the rankings
for the who should be the twelve best teams. I
know we don't want to have it that way, but
(26:32):
it's a completely different This is like the Yankees and
the Dodgers. It's like, come on, folks, what are we doing?
If the Yankees and Dodgers went based upon rankings like
come on, better players?
Speaker 4 (26:41):
So this is this is then you know, it ends
up trickling down to the point of Okay, so then
the SEC and the Big Ten get better access to
the College Football Playoff. Yes, then what do all of
those other leagues happen with those schools? Those other schools
then want to leave their league to go into the
Big Ten in the SEC, and then now you've got
this again to Super.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Well, then I think what happens is what's happened to Oklahoma? Well,
you're irrelevant the league that's too big for you.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
But like Florida State and Clemson and those schools that
we think wanted out of the ACC but ended up
are sticking around. You go to that faction of it
where now they only get a quarter of the opportunities
to make to make a bracket. They're saying to themselves
would We'd rather just be in We'd rather take our
(27:31):
chances and see if we would be in Oklahoma or
not be in Oklahoma, than to just stay in this
league and have the limited opportunities where we almost have
to play perfect football and by the way, make a
heck of a lot less money in doing so. I
just you know, I mean, we're a half season into
we haven't even had a twelve team playoff, and I
(27:54):
just think that it I understand you're speaking in reality. Yeah,
that's the tough part for me as someone who's been
a college football fan for so long, is I don't
want that to be my college football reality.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I know, I know. It's it's like, we're we played
Okahoma State. We're gonna play Ohio State. Ohio State and
basketball huge payroll. Now, could we have picked off Oklahoma State?
You know, we got to be about thirteen, we're down ninety.
Can we picked them off?
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Like?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, we could have picked them up? Like I did
a couple things better, We played a little bit better.
We got a couple guys coming off injury. If they
were a little better, maybe, But could we could we
beat teams consistently in the big time? Like no, come on, man,
it's like a different sport now. It's the beauty of
the tournament is and basketball is a little b different.
You got a three point shot, different evaluation for different
(28:44):
valuation for different spots. So it does, it can ultimately
even things out. But like in football, football is such
a sport of attrition. And remember we were talking about
who is actually the best, not who's the most deserving.
No one's said deserving when they have to come up
with the college ball ring as they say the best,
and I just I see some of these rankings and
(29:06):
I'm like, come on, what are we doing? Doug Gottlieb
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Speaker 4 (29:12):
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Speaker 4 (29:57):
A bunch to get to, but we start with a
story that actually he broke yesterday and kind of got
lost in the shuffle of everything that went on. Seventy
six Er center Joel Embiid suspended three games by the
NBA for shoving a reporter following a game against the
Grizzlies this past Saturday.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, I can't do that. I can't do that. And
Jojo clearly frustrated at how he feels like he's being
treated or mistreated. All I'd said, don't put chans on
another person.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Easy, Yes, and the suspension will begin until he is
fully healthy and fully.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I like that one too, Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I like that especially, Yeah, because otherwise it'd be pretty
easy to just be like, yeah, yeah, he's out the
next three games. He wasn't going to play anyway. The
seventy six ers, by the way, in action tonight against
the Clippers here in Los Angeles. All right, Doug, the
election is over, but why not look ahead to twenty
twenty eight? In a sports sort of view, Ben Online
(30:54):
has put out odds and who is likely to win
the twenty twenty eight US presidential election jd Vance right
now of all candidates three to one, Josh Shapiro four
to one, Gavin Newsom seven to one. Well, Donald Trump,
who just won the president Trump winning the election last
night twenty to one. But in a sports view, for
(31:19):
I guess former Dallas Mavericks owner since he sold, you know,
majority of the shares away, Mark Cuban twenty to one,
the Rock would be at twenty five to one odds,
Steve ballmer Clippers owner, two hundred and fifty to one. Well,
New York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers, amongst a host of
athletes listed with five hundred to one odds to be
(31:43):
the to win the next presidential election in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Question for you, Dan, yep, how can Donald Trump even
be on that list if he finishes his second term?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
That is a very very good question.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
You want to know the answer?
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Well, it's very good chance Donald Trump has a chance
to put two more Supreme Court justice on the on
the board. And there's a world out there where I
think people are freaked out, think Donald Trump will eliminate
term limits on the present on the president.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
It's correct.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I knew that already. I just didn't want to say
it out because totally our country ever came to that,
it would be a not a good thing.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Well, I just that's you. You asked the question, and dog.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
I did want to provoke the conversation.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I guess sure.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
You know one guy not on that list from sports,
Steve Garvey. He got his ass kicked yesterday. Maybe the
worst human being to ever play sports. Every teammate has
been on a record saying that he hates him. He's
in an election where people were looking for reasons to
vote for Republicans yesterday and he got his ass kicked. So,
(32:50):
Steve Garvey, this whole politician play that you've been drumming
up since your mid twenties on the Dodgers and being
very fake and disingenuine, you can go away now.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Steve Garvey is on this list. He's at five hundred
to one, yes, joining Aaron Rodgers in the five hundred
to one group. I'll tell you what, the five hundred
to one group is even more amazing than the five
thousand to one group. Really, but yes, yes, So the
five hundred to one group includes Lebron, James Peyton, Manning, Yeah,
(33:22):
Steve Cohen, Mets owner Terry Pagoula, the Bills owner, Tiger Woods,
Tom Brady, and outside of the sports world, Tom Hanks,
Woopy Goldberg, Matt Damon, Howard Stern, John Oliver who wasn't
born in the United.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
States, Booie Boye.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
And Tim Walls pretty amazing one thousand to one. A
Rod Charles.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Barkley, I'm reading, Brady, Hey, I'm just reading.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
I'm reading.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
I've got President Mahomes Hail to the Chief.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Dana White one thousand to one, Genie Buss one thousand
to one, Joe Joe Biden's one thousand and one, John
Cena one thousand and one, Nick Saban one thousand to one,
Roger Goodell one thousand to one, and Steve Kerr one thousand.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Steve one.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Is Steph Curry and Shaquille O'Neill and Snoop Dogg and
finally the five thousand to one President Clint Eastwood five
thousand to one.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
He's what ninety five now, so he'll be ninety nine
or something when we alive.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Yeah, Jill Biden, Mel Gibson and Greg Popovich. Did I
every five thousand?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Mel Gibson wasn't born in this country? Was he?
Speaker 3 (34:47):
No?
Speaker 5 (34:48):
He was he? Actually I read about him. He was
born in New York and then he grew up in Australia,
So he is a American. I didn't know that until recently.
Where's Kamala Harris on the list? She not on the
list at all? Did you read her name?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Well?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
No, you he went to the sports ones first. But
let me let me take it. Well, she's not not
in the not in the early parts. I'm trying to
scan through this and maybe there was a there was
a note about it, but uh oh, two and fifty
one okay, So yeah, along along with the likes of
(35:20):
Bill Maher and Bill.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Gates, Shapiro Shapiro versus Vans okay.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Oprah's two hundred and fifty to one, as is Tucker
Carlson Joe Rogan two hundred to one.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Just draw someone's name out of a hat, all those names,
throw them a hat, just picks up, well, listen.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
It does it?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Like?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Look the guys he's he's been on on reality TV,
he's been a businessman, he's had bankruptcies, he's had divorces,
you know, he's had belanies, and yet here he is
president of United States. Again, the point is, all the
things that used to preclude you from being president the
United States apparently now don't. That's the point. So that's
(36:06):
what America wanted, That's what America gets low. That's really
the point of this list, which, as bizarre as it sounds,
you're like, you know what, if Trump can win another time,
why not? It's not crazy. Anything you thought was crazy
before is no longer crazy.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Can I tell you the craziest thing about this long list?
And I left out ted leonsis in the sports category,
owner of the Wizards and the Wizards in the capitals.
There's one person listed at three hundred to one, which
I did the five hundred to ones, and there are
a bunch of crazy names, and I did the two
hundred and fifty to ones and they're not as crazy,
(36:48):
but just not as likely. But for some reason, this
person has found their pocket with the only one at
three hundred to one odds, Leonardo DiCaprio. No one else
is listed at three hundred to one on this list
from bet online except Leo. He is the only one
but he is listed at three hundred to one. It's
(37:10):
kind of like when you, you know, charge four dollars for
like a lemonade stand, We'll just charge five because it's
a lot easier that way. There seem to be some
work in getting Leonardo DiCaprio at three hundred to one.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Least had three hundred girlfriends. So hey, there's one more
let name on that list. It's I'm looking it up
right now.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Is Didty on the list?
Speaker 5 (37:30):
He's not. I'm finding this. One's eight thousand and one,
Dan Bayer, Dan Byers too, and so I'm going to
be right present this.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Make sure, Oh man, that's what I was insulting most
by that. Come on, come on, people, that's the press.
May get out there and press.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
It's not got a lip show. You're on Fox Sports
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