November 6, 2024 • 46 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Cleveland Browns' GM Andrew Barry was non-committal with reporters on Wednesday regarding quarterback Deshaun Watson's future with the team when his achilles injury heals.
For this edition of The Midway, Doug and the crew talk about the best stories from the first half of the NFL season.
Doug weighs in on comments made by Bears' star receiver DJ Moore about his head coach Matt Eberflus. Doug welcomes TJ Houshmandzadeh onto the show to talk about DJ Moore, the Bengals and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
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Got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Tjushmanzada will join us this hour, Daniel Jeremiah next hour,
we'll shift our focus. Skates you ready for the upcoming
NFL slate. Should be a really good week. I mean
we have Thursday night games sometimes haven't had the best matchups.
Bengals versus the Ravens is the opposite of that.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's a great matchup. Great matchup.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Bengals who have I don't know why you say underachieved, right,
lost a couple of games on the last by one
play to start the year. Kind of gotten together a
little bit as of late, but this is one It's
a tall mountain to climb as the Bengals have won
three of four, have won four of six, but those
early losses, combined with the loss in overtime to the
(01:25):
Ravens earlier this year, are starting to kind of pile
up now after this game they have the Chargers on
the road.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Chargers look like a potential playoff team.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Bye week, Steelers at home, then to the Cowboys, to
the Titans, Browns, Broncos against Steelers, so there's some wins
still to be had there, but this is one after
losing to the Ravens at home, you got to try
and even it up on the road. We'll preview that
game as well. Other team in that division. We mentioned
the Browns, and I thought this would be interesting to you.
(01:57):
You know, I've said this for a long time that
if your answer after a year or two is I
don't know, then.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You know what the answer is.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Right if you go if you take a test drive
for a car, they're like, let you have it for
a weekend. If you drive it for the weekend and
they say, what do you think? You're like, I don't know.
You have your answer. If you've been dating a girl
for a year, year and a half and you say, well, what's.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Your guys future together? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You know what your answer is. Your answer is do you?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's not that you.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
It's not that you don't want to start over. It's
that you don't want to start over. Here's Andrew Berry
when he was asked Andrew Berry's the GM of the Browns,
when he's asked about Deean Watson's future with the team.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Really our focus with Deshaun, I would say for any
player with a season eniting injury and a major injury
is first and foremost with the recovery and to make
sure that he gets healthy from the Achilles injury. You
everything else will deal with that a later moment.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It's a world in which Deshaun Watson can come back
here and play more football for you guys.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah, I think that's always possible.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's always possible.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
There's a differencene possible, likely and going to happen, right,
possible and likely and going to happen?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Is it possible? Sure? Sure?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Now, a lot of things are possible. Maybe the follow
up to the follow up should be, is it likely
he didn't say that the Browns are left in the
frankly and viable position. They were in an invent viable
position before he got hurt. Now it's like, and this
gives us our chance to get out of this terrible contract,
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really an eye sore for the entire team.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And then you think about the fact that.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It would sound like he has a bad rep for
the things he's done off the football field and he's
just killing it. He wasn't playing well, He's had a
bunch of injuries, and now he has an achilles injury.
The likely it is his performance won't be as good,
and it wasn't good enough even before that. So I
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think the Browns have said everything they want to say
without saying a word, which is kind of masterful and
a kind of genius even in its simplicity, Because if
they wanted Deshaun Watson back, if they expected him to play,
(04:31):
then that's what you lead with. We want him back.
All expectations are he's going to play here and we
can't wait to get him back. If it's likely a
it's you know, barring some crazy setback.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
He's our guy.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Well, we'll just make sure he handles rehab first and
then we'll figure that out. Is it possible for him
to come back? Sure, it's also possible for pigs to fly.
This is the Doug Gottlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I guess the question becomes, does does Deshaun Watson play
(05:10):
another snap in the NFL? I think the likely it
is now. I just don't think the likelihood is now.
And yes, most of it is his own doing with
the off the field accusations and oh yeah, by the way,
also is.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
On the field performance.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But the other part to it is not as much
as fault and that he's never been backup guy. That's
not who he is, That's not how he's wired, that's
that's not how he does what he does.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Could he?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, I mean there's a world there with all the
football and the knowledge that he has, But some guys
just aren't designed to be backups. And when you have
an eye sort of a contract, one that the Browns
wuld do anything to get out of. You're coming off
an Achilles, You've had two ACL surgery, You've had what
two one.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Or two A one on ACL surgery.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
At some point they go like, ah, you know, too
banged up to play. But the reality is the contract's terrible.
He's not good and he's not designed. He's not wired
to be a backup quarterback that takes completely different wiring
and an acceptance of your fate that you may or
may not get in games.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
That is not Deshaun Watson. Not Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So my guess is he's played his last NFL game,
and he's got a lot of money, and he had
a great college career, and as time passes on, there's
a world there where he you know, I don't know
if he ever does TV, but maybe does something for
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just can't see a way in which the Browns go, yeah,
we'll do that again. We always talk about you know,
we always talk about uh uh is in in our
(07:19):
in my world, in college basketball, we say is.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
The juice worth the squeeze? But in the NFL, i've
are you worth your problems? You know?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Is your talent with your problems? And the thing about
Deshaun Watson is whatever problems he had, they haven't chased him.
But the reputation is solidified and established.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And that's who he is. That's who and what he is.
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game tomorrow night in the AFC North, and of course
gigantic college football weekend and kind of weird. Last night
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you're just like you went up by getting lost in
the wash, but it was I'll give you some of
my own thoughts upcoming. We'll talk a little Mike Gundy
as well. But we do this every Wednesday. Wednesday's Wednesdays
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the middle of the week. Technically this is the middle
of our show because we also have the podcast hour,
which drops at the end of the show, and it's
the middle of the day for me any of you,
So we call it the Midway.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It's not getting It's time for the Midway.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Doug Outlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's the
midway topic?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
You love?
Speaker 5 (09:22):
There?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I think this this really feels like a Dan Bayer
topic more than anything.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Right, Wasn't my idea though, No, But I'm on board
with it though.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, because also Dan remembers every single story in every
single play from the for the first half.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But Jase stew it's your topic. We'll give you the floor.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Thanks Doug All taking from here, I was thinking, uh
worth the exact halfway point number eighteen weeks now, so
after nine weeks is the exact halfway point of the
football season. The NFL season I'd like to talk about
and you, guys, I think we're gonna leave it.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
It's a pot luck. I think we're gonna leave it
up to you.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
What's the best story of the first half. What's the
most surprising story? And maybe that's one and the same.
What's the biggest disappointment? You guys know me, I'm I
skew negative. I always like disappointing things for my content.
So how about what you give you guys? A choice
one of the three or all three?
Speaker 6 (10:16):
Or I think it can be all encompassing, like as
we just talk about stories like we don't have to.
We can categorize them, but we don't have to say,
like we do with love and hate, what's your love
and what's your hate? I think we could just say
the ups of one team are the downs of another.
I think that's fair, because I do you want me
to go first?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Go ahead?
Speaker 6 (10:38):
I think it's the failures of the New York Jets
that is story Numero uno of this season, because of
the hype, because of Aaron Rodgers, also because how it
has transpired, the firing of Robert Sala, the problems. I
believe that the Jets in their three and six record,
not completely out of it for the playoffs, but definitely
(11:00):
an uphill climb if you will. Right now, the first
half story of the NFL season.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
I think for those reasons.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
I think the the premature fire into their head coach
and then them just trading for DeVante and trying to
make that work. I think that's what makes it intriguing
as the weeks go by, because I don't think Aaron
Rodgers has anything is anything close to what he what
he once was, and uh, just kind of trying to
(11:31):
cater to him and his needs in this moment is
a trend wreck waiting to happen.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, I do think the Aaron Rodgers thing is gigantic.
That's that's a good one. I'm going to jump in
and say, the Cowboys, it's not that they're bad, it's
that it's all encompassing.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You had the contract stuff with Ceedee Lamb, you had
the fact that they passed on Derrick Henry. Then of
course they acquiesced to gave Dak Prescott a new deal,
and that Dak Prescott has been below even his own standard,
and now they're an abject disaster and he's out for
a month.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I would say it's the Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
The Cowboys are always a story. I think they're the
only team in the National Football League that we have
a specific segment for sure. We don't have one for
the Chiefs or the forty nine ers or anyone else.
But if you will see and I know that if
you're driving in your car, you're getting out of work,
maybe you're on a walk, you can't see the sheet
that we have on in our studio. And my out
(12:31):
on a limb was that the Cowboys would miss the playoffs.
They would not make the playoffs this year, boom, and
so seeing how things have transpired, Doug, You're right, the
Cowboys are always a story. But I can't say that
I'm shocked that they're sitting there at three and five.
Maybe how it is transpired, but there's a team with
no run game whatsoever. You're bringing in a defensive coordinator
(12:51):
and Mike Zimmer, who I'm not sure how many other
guys around the teams around the league would go to
Mike Zimmers. They're a defensive coordinator, they're so top heavy
and who who they are? I just I had severe,
like significant questions about the Cowboys this season, and to
see them sitting at three and five doesn't surprise me
as much as maybe as it would for others.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
What's worse than being bad in our business?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Not being not being You're not interesting.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Right, you're boring. They're boring to me. In fact, they're
kind of like Fast, the Fast and Furious movies in
the past, Like they always had a lot of glitz,
a lot of glamour, a lot of explosions, but they'd
always came up short, little empty calories. Now they're not
even that. They're they're a boring team. Like, I think
(13:42):
the only the only way to salvage a great story
coming out of Dallas is if Cooper Rush, like he
did a couple of years ago, wins four games in
a row and then we're like, oh, we just gave
Dak Prescott a billion dollars and Cooper Rush just led
us to four wins in a row, and it'll be
great trauma. Yeah, I think boring is worse. A bet
(14:03):
I'm gonna bring something up that nobody expects and go ahead.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
So when you had just one thing more thing about
the Cowboys in their three wins this year, they had
the opener against the Browns, Well, now we know what
the Browns are. They were able to manage a victory
against the Giants, and we saw that Sunday night game
against the Steelers. That was a back and forth affair
that maybe shouldn't have been. But they were blown up
by the Lions. They were being blown up by the
(14:30):
Ravens until they came back. They were blown up by
the Saints, they came back. They were being blown up
by the forty nine Ers. And now you've got the Eagles,
Texans and Commanders in your next three weeks without your
star quarterback. It ain't gonna get any better. It is
not all right, very true, am i am?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I only allowed to suggest that this is not like
dip so I can have multiple things, right.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I think that the Steelers are a gigantic Steelers are
one of the most popular teams. Then they had justin
fields and Russell Wilson like that whole thing and how
it would work, and then they kind of won some
games justin fields. But most people are like, yeah, it
look great. And then Russell Wilson, who you know, he's
basically been let go by.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
His last two teams, and you know, for nothing.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
I think Steelers, I would say specifically that quarterback Quarterbash. Yeah,
the quarterback room in Pittsburgh. It has worked out.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
My pick am I out on the limp pick here
in the studio. Steelers going to the AFC title games
still a.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
Holding of that's all right, could be.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
It's still weird to say Commanders, you know, still would
to say Commanders. But the Commanders have been the feel
good story. Yes, the Lions are the better team. But
for people who people who are young, if you're like
twenty five and younger, you have no idea the popularity
(16:01):
of the then Washington Redskins, right, Remember Joe Gibbs won
Super Bowls to three different quarterbacks and I mean anybody
from that area because there used to be no Ravens,
and after the Colts left, everything was Redskins, Redskins, red Redskins,
and they were like and the rivalry with the with
the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Was huge, as it was with New York Giants.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And to take a team that had been so downtrodden
felt like for so long. They've been the playoffs recent
but to have a rookie quarterback who won a Heisman,
that's usually the kiss.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Of death in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Kingsbury who people thinks stuff doesn't work in the NFL,
it has. And then Dan Quinn, who of course built
that Cowboys defense, took the Falcons to the Super Bowl.
It was one of the architects of the Legion of
Boom as well. The Commanders are a pretty big story too.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I have a question for our listeners. Yeah, who is in.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
First place in the NFC West. I guarantee you didn't
know that the Arizona Cardinals are in first place?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I know.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
I think Dan knew that five and four. The reason
why they're a good story is and I drafted this
guy in the second round, and I know their first
round pick has been a disappointment. Marvin Harrison Junior. I
think has had like two games that have been productive
and then it has been has like disappeared for quarters,
(17:23):
multiple quarters. So you asked, howard of Cardinals in first place?
I have no idea. I don't I'm going to lead it.
Speaker 9 (17:30):
Up to that.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Yeah, I'll tell you how they're why they're rushing. This
is what stood out to me last year about the
Arizona Cardinals. And if you listen to my Sunday show
with Carrier Roads, I sound like a broken record. Last
year under Jonathan Gannon in their first year. They played hard,
they played for him, They played for that team. There
wasn't quit. Doug talked about his team on Monday. The
(17:51):
best thing about it was how they didn't quit and
had what a nineteen point lead ended up being a
thirteen point you know, uh game at the end of
the game. Arizona did not quit last year. They only
won four games, but they played hard every game. And
there's something about James Connor, whether it be is about
with cancer, whether it be you know, him being a
(18:12):
field good story in Pittsburgh, but then the Steelers not
you know, wanting him around, so he goes to Arizona.
He is an absolute beast. And I think everything that
James Connor is is representative of the Arizona Cardinals. They
went to San Francisco this year, came back, won a game.
They've got good players and while Michael or excuse me,
mar Vinier's and Junior has been a disappointment, Michael Wilson
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is a nice second option as a wide receiver. Trey
McBride we all knew in fantasy football, but like James Connor,
seems to be the heart and soul of that team.
Which is surprising because I think we thought it was
Kyler Murray. But they are so a James Connor sort
of team, and it's not surprising when you see the
volatility of Seattle and San Francisco and the ups and
downs and the pieces that the Rams have had to
(18:57):
move in and out. The Cardinals have actually been somewhat
concent in their pieces and who they've had, and I
think it's representative of their solid running back.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
I think Kyler Murray like the low hanging fruit for
people in our business, very low hanging, like unimaginative jokes,
like when the recent Call of Duty came out, like
the low hanging joke is like, well, there it goes
the game plan for the Cardinals this week. You know
that he's just preoccupied with his video game playing, and
I think that like this season to me, when I
(19:30):
see him play and everything, I think, man, this is
a kid that's locked in. Like he's especially talented, but
like I kind of feel good for him. Good for
him because, like I said, there's an easy joke in
our business about Kyler Murray and it's really damning that
he cares more about a video game than he does football.
(19:51):
So good for him.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
There is something to watch second half of the season
with Murray and Marvin Harrison Enginior though, Yeah, because they
haven't necessarily been on the same page a lot. Because
as Jason talked about the maybe someone of the disappointment
of Harrison so far at the start of the season, Remember,
Kyler also said like he wasn't going to force feed
him the football. And so if they're winning, it's not
(20:15):
going to become an issue. We're not talking about it
to that point. And I think that's actually a good
thing with Arizona right now. But we'll see if it
pops up in the second half.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I have another get one team we haven't talked about. Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Dolphins, right, Tua gets the big contract, Tyreek Hill gets
arrested outside the stadium. Everybody thought their coach is just
like the coolest you know you guys at Bentley. He's
got gold sunglasses, he's got swag.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
They stick.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And and yes, one of the reason was they lost
their quarterback. But even with him, they're just not a
very good football.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
I'll give credit. I'll give credit to Jason Stewart who
said that the Chiefs going for the three peat was
going to be the story of the Sea and right
now undefeated.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
Yeah, and not even looking all that. You know, they're
undefeated despite you see a lot of you know, flaws
with them.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
I mean they're not they're not overwhelming people.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
They're three and a half up in the AFC West too.
That's what that's what else is crazy?
Speaker 8 (21:16):
How about two running backs going to teams whose logos
are birds and doing very very well, Derrick Henry and
Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Trades, Barkley leaping over small buildings and seeing a single ballot.
That stuff's crazy. The saque Barkley video from this past
weekend is crazy.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
I'll tell you what. It's a it's a it's a
very good point. And there's a bigger thing that we
actually talked about a week ago on the I Want
Your Flex podcast. When you look at the rushing leaders
in the National Football League, what what do you notice
from these from these rushing leaders? And I'm going to
give you the yard.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You had to bring up the Russians a day after the.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Elect Russians close to thirty years old. The three running
backs who are averaging over one hundred yards per game,
Jason's a little close, but it's not exactly where we're going.
Are Derek Henry, Saquon Barkley, and Jill Mixon. All three
are on new teams this year. It isn't the death
of the running back that we thought it was. These
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guys maybe the top of the food chain of running backs,
but they have been such a huge boost. Josh Jacobs
in Green Bay doesn't have the yards per game average,
but when you talk about total yards, he's third in
the NFL and rushing right now. So you know, he
goes from a you know, from the Raiders to the Packers,
Aaron Jones for the Vikings, he's played well, yeah, absolutely, JK.
(22:38):
Dobbins going from the Ravens to the Chargers, all of these. Yeah,
these these new old faces and new places has been
a theme when you're looking at the running game in
the NFL, and we but think it's such a dying breed,
but really maybe it's just because how we've treated it previously.
And so you've had success with guys in new places
this year at running.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Back pretty good, good well, And that actually is a
byproduct of what we talked about last year.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Last year was the.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Story of the running back with discontent, you know over
the contracts topens, so many of them actually changed teams
and they've had some success.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
And also DeAndre Hopkins is a perfect example. He goes
from the Chiefs and everybody's like, oh my goodness, they're
going to be unstoppable. DeAndre Hopkins, Well, I'd rather catch
passes from Patrick Mahomes than Will Levis and Mason Rudolph
no offense, and know he's a friend of the show,
but Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes. I'd rather run behind
the Philly offensive line than, you know, than what the
Giants had put up the previous couple of years. You know,
(23:35):
there's certain places are just better options for other places,
and I'm wondering if we're going to see that in
future years with the teams who you know, invest in
the offensive line and have strong fronts. I do want
to give a shout out to the Lions as well,
because I did pick them to win the Super Bowl
and they have done nothing so far to think that
they aren't on that track to represent the NFC. Props
(23:56):
to the Lions.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, I think my thing with the Lions was like
just it's so hard to be consistent and you think, okay,
well you know, you have a guy who should be
a head coach and he turns down head coaching opportunities
to remain assistant coach like that. All doesn't always work out,
and you know what it has in this particular case,
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everything has worked out perfectly.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
And I'm my final submission to this, I don't think
San Francisco is a story because I think everybody is
split on what they think is going to happen with
the Niners, so they've just been kind of, you know,
going along. But we don't think we've seen the full
San Francisco forty nine ers. And maybe we will this
week with Christian McCaffrey finally back, but you're not gonna
have Brandon Ayuk the rest of the season. I'm still
(24:41):
I'm not as bullish on the forty nine ers, and
I think there are some people think, like, oh, later
on in the season they'll turn it on. I think
they're more of a second half story than a full
first half story for San Francisco.
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It's it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Obviously, I've lived on one side of the media, and
I've done the media stuff when I was a college
player and someone as a professional player. But you know,
I haven't played in the NFL. Let's not kid ourselves.
On the other hand, we've done the interviewing. We ask
people questions all the time, and you know, it's it's
a little bit like what Andrew Berry said without saying it,
(25:43):
that I want to play you some sound. So you know,
there have been a lot of people critical of Matt Eberflus.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I mean, Colin Cowhert.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I don't did did Eberflus be in as cornflakes at
some point in time. I'm not really sure when that
moment was, but Colin has been on about, hey, they
gotta make coaching changes, all coaching, and there's some validity
to many of the things he said. I it is,
you are the head coach, so when they call a
fourth down call that no one agrees with, even though
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you're not the offense courting your defensive guy, you still
have to own it. But players know, players know, if
coaches know what they're doing, if coaches have the pulse
of the locker room. Here's DJ Moore when he was
asked if Matt Eberflus has lost the locker room.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
I want to say no, yesterday was that. We know
we formed four Now it's just like being Zarrow zero.
But he just got to go out there and starts
back and wins how he did. And that's the best
thing we can do is win and then let the
chips fall how they fall at the after we do.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
So.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, I mean what Dj Moore is saying is he
didn't say no, but he said, hey, we win, We're okay.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah. That's actually not the sign of a good group.
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Everything is good, Everything tastes good, smells good, feels good
when you win.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
When you win, but.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You have your culture is you know, if your culture
is intact, you know, if your group is cohesive group
when they face the adversity of multiple losses, they're still.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Together and they still listen to you, and they still believe.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
I don't want to say no.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I don't want to say no. I don't want to
say no.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Yeah, Dan, you know, there's something very interesting going on
with the Bears, because it doesn't even seem like it's
a two sided fight because DJ Moore is kind of
in the center of all of this. But it was
his comments last week when he was critical of the
when iber Flush told him to keep his comments in house,
(28:00):
and then DJ Moore said, yeah, that's what I was told.
And then this past week against Arizona, Dj Moore basically
quit on a play where he ran out of bounds
and I don't know if he pulled up lame, tweaked
an ankle or something, but took himself completely out of
the plane, was on the sidelines as Caleb Williams is
running around, and then later on in the game at
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the end of the game, as the Bears were just
had the ball at the end, there's a spot where
you see Caleb Williams walking off the field and DJ
Moore walks past him and they bumped shoulders like you
would have if you had beef with someone. So I
don't know who Dj Moore is mad again or mad at,
but he sure seems to not be happy with Eberflus,
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and he sure seems to not be happy with Caleb
Williams at this point. So it's very, very odd because
I think we thought the divide would probably be Eberflus
and the coaches on one side at Caleb Williams and
the players on another. But it's a weird dynamic in Chicago.
Or DJ Moore finds himself in the center of all this.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, I am I. I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I think it's really fascinating to see, like, I don't
know if DJ Moore is getting exposed.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Can I let's just do this.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Dan, I agree with you. Okay, you're one hundred percent right,
So can I tell you? Let me just tell you
my perception. You tell me if you think it's way accurate.
He probably thinks Caleb Williams is getting treated with kid
gloves getting a pass.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
You know, he's the number one overall.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Pick and they're not hard enough on him, and he's
likely making mistakes or doing some or not just not
getting the ball, and Ibravlus isn't holding him accountable, and
so that's why he's mad at both of them.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, that's what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah. Yeah, and again, we don't have any idea, Dan,
do you have any idea?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I mean, we can only read but hear what he
says and then read by language.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I saw them bump shoulders. I was like, that's weird. Yeah,
that's weird, very odd.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
It's also a very like, I don't know, a toxic
male thing to do where it's like you're both trying
to prove a point, so neither one budget and you
get that scenario there. DJ Moore has a platform every
single week, you know, speaking today, speaking with you know,
media outlets, and and the whole thing last week of
(30:31):
just saying like I should have kept my complaints in house. Well,
then you're talking about stuff that maybe should have been
kept in house. So it's it's very very odd, and
I don't.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
The funny thing is, Doug is if you're trying to
get Matt Eberflu's fired, DJ Moore is not doing a
great case to keep himself around in Chicago. Sure, So
that's what's odd.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
To me because would you why would you keep a
guy around and who who was disloyaled to his previous coach.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
Yeah, and then it doesn't get along with the quarterback apparently.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Right, and by the way, Caleb mwone is not going
anywhere you know, like, you don't get rid of a
guy a number one overall pick in a year unless
he's an abject disaster.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
He's not an abject disaster.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
So again it makes you think that what must be
happening is they must something about Caleb Williams and the
accountability or mistakes or how he's carrying himself or whatever.
But it's pretty obvious that when somebody asked if you'd
lost the locker room, the answer is no.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Interest.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Now, no, I got something.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
You remember when after the season ended last year, Remember
DJ Morrow is one of the players the publicly said
that he wanted Justin Fields back and there was a
little bit of awkwardness there when they decided to drop
the quarterback and they went back to DJ More and
he played he said the company line, but there was
that awkwardness there and that he was a Fields guy.
(32:06):
Then they bring in Cable Williams. And I'll add this
as well. Do you remember that anonymous executive who said
about Williams that you're putting a lot of faith and
you're putting a lot of capital into a guy that
might be prince. Do you remember that? And I think
everyone took the analogy of Prince as that he's kind
of eccentric or even girly or whatever, what the fingernail
(32:29):
polish and everything. But I think what he meant was
Prince is aloof Prince is difficult, Prince doesn't get along
with people in his team. So maybe there's something with
all of this.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Maybe I think it said he's eccentric. Eccentric.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
By the way, eccentric is as misspelled and pronounced as
espresso is. Just as somebody who doesn't know, how do
you spell espresso? What do you think they say? They
all say e X, don't you think?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I think so espresso? Am I saying it wrong?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It's espresso?
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (33:15):
So eccentric is actually eccentric.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
It's e c C is how it's spelled.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Yeah, I thought it was eccentric, isn't it. You're saying,
like grocers your grocer's freezer.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
How is it actually pronounce?
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Because somebody get you there, eccentric.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Do the thing in your phone where it can where
it can say it right, like espresso, There is no X.
It's espresso. Eccentric. Okay, do you think it's eccentric?
Speaker 4 (33:46):
That's how I have pronounced it.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
It's just very fat.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
For me centric. Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Uh My point is, I do think there's some people
that think it's xcent eccentric. X Stug Gottlieb show here
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Speaker 2 (34:12):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Hushman Zada joins this Fox Sports one NFO analyst. He's
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You can also find it where podcasts are. Who's a
bunch to get to? Let me ask you about DJ Moore.
I doesn't feel like he's been all in on Eberflus
(34:34):
or on Caleb Williams. What's your read? You are a
talented wide receiver. You worked with some dudes who are
a little bit divas. He hasn't gone full you know,
he has a napalm the thing, fully, but there's definitely
a lack of complete buy in.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
What would be he'd be so upset about.
Speaker 10 (34:52):
I mean, you know as receivers, we get very few
opportunities to impact the game. I'm assuming coming from his
lack of involvement in the offense one and they're losing.
You winning games. You may not like your involvement, but
you're okay because you're winning games. But when we're losing
(35:13):
and I'm not being involved in the offensive game plan,
and that's gonna be a problem. I've never thought that
Shane Waldron was a good play call as far as
the way he sequenced his cause when he's expecting certain coverages.
But I guess when you come under Sean mcveig, you
get plenty of opportunities.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Let's talk about your Bengals.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I think you know, you look up on the board
and they've sort of righted the ship, winning three of
their last four, but a big win against the Ravens
team they could have beaten lost to in overtime at home.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
What is the current state of the Bengals from your perspective.
Speaker 10 (35:48):
I mean, they should go in there feeling good offensively,
but I mean they lost the defense. They lost that
game because the defense couldn't get a stop. You know,
jaw believe he had five touchdowns almost four hundre yards
of total offense and the defense just couldn't get that
stop up ten with less than four minutes. That game
should be won. And so you're going to it content offensively. Now.
(36:12):
I don't know if T Higgins is gonna play, that
will be a blow. And if he doesn't play, then Jermaine,
who did some things he shouldn't have done last week,
is gonna have to step up. Yosee Bo's gonna have
to step up. I believe Orlando Brown will be back,
but the onus will be on in my opinion, will
they be able to run the ball against the Ravens.
(36:32):
We know the Ravens have I believe the worst passing
defense in the National Football League, But it's gonna come
down to can Jermaine Burden and Yosei Boss make an
impact in the passing game outside of Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
If he doesn't play, Yeah, T T's listener is doubtful
for tomorrow. By the way, how surprised are you they
hung on to T Higginson trade him at the trade deadline?
Speaker 10 (36:51):
Oh, I'm not surprised. I'm surprised that they actually traded
for Herbert. You know, that's just something that Bengals don't
do if t Lee see they're gonna get a third
round pensatory pick anyway. So with somebody gonna give them
a first or second round pick, probably not. And so
if you're not gonna get that White trade and when
you know you're gonna get a third round pick for
him anyway.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What about
the Ravens? They play so well at times and then
some real stinkers. What's your take on where the Ravens
are not necessarily just in terms of the season, but
they're gonna be judged based upon the postseason. I know,
what are your thoughts on what the ceiling is for
this group?
Speaker 10 (37:32):
It's hard to get a post on what they are.
You know, did they lose Opening Day against the Chiefs
and that made the game very interesting, Literally lost the
game where we can say by half an inch, and
then the other two losses to the Browns who aren't
very good and the Raiders who aren't very good. So
it's almost as if like what type of team are they?
(37:52):
But I know, offensively, this is the best we've ever
seen the Ravens under Lamar Jackson. They can run the
ball that will, passing the ball that will. This is
the best offensive team we've seen the Ravens have with
Lamar Jackson as far as being multi dimensional and can
beat you on the ground or in the air. The
surprise is, when's the last time we've seen the Ravens
(38:15):
defense this bad. That's a shocker to me, and so
they should be optimistic. But they got to figure out
a way. Why are we losing the teams that we
should be beaten handily?
Speaker 2 (38:26):
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I mean, the only thing I can think of is, well,
when you spend that much money at quarterback and on
pieces of the offense, there's got to be a shortfall.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Maybe that's where the shortfall is. I guess that's the
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (38:39):
Doug, that's a myth man, because when people bring that up,
you know, as far as how much the quarterback's making,
all I do is refer back to one team. Their
quarterbacks making a ton of money, and so is everybody
else on that team. Almost you look at the Eagles,
both their receivers are highly paid, their running back is
highly paid. Both tackles are highly paid. Darius Slay, you paid, like,
(39:02):
to me, that's an excuse when they say, oh, the
salarycap our quarterback is making to look at the Eagles,
how are they doing it?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
A great question.
Speaker 10 (39:11):
Eagles are doing it.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
It's it's a it's a it's a great question.
Speaker 10 (39:15):
Right, So if you want to get it done, you
can get it done. You got to find a way.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, and I and I think the Ravens are better
at quarterback than the Eagles are at quarterback. It's an
established question.
Speaker 10 (39:26):
They're They're lucky, though, Doug, because they flowers their best receiver,
Ricky contract. They just traded for Deontay Johnson, who will
be a free agent at the end of the season.
Obviously they pay Derek Henry, but under market value considering
what he's doing. It's just the Ravens have been so
good defensively that they constantly are losing defensive coordinators because
(39:49):
they're getting opportunities to advance themselves in their career. So
figure it out. I'm a fan of both teams. I
love I love Harball, He's one of my favorite coaches.
But I always go with my heart when of Sabingas
and I feel we have a genuine chance.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Did you know Jane Daniels was this good.
Speaker 10 (40:09):
I did, Doug, he trained with us, I've seen it
every day. My only concern going into this had nothing
to do with that Jadon Daniels. It had to do
with dan Quinn being a defensive coach. Would he really
let Kingsbury just kind of take the reins and then
that's just be the head coach of the offense. And
I should have known he would have done that because
(40:30):
he did it with Kyle Shanahan in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Sure.
Speaker 10 (40:32):
Oh, he did it with Kyle Shanahan. He's doing it
with Cliff Kingsbury. Yeah, I'm watching Jayden throughout this process.
I felt like he would be really good, extremely accurate,
really good arm didn't run the forty, but would probably
run a four to three. The players are gonna grow.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Who whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. He's a four to three.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Doug, I'm stop, stop, who I love you four to
three wide elite wide receiver speed.
Speaker 10 (41:03):
When if you ever get a chance to interview him
or anybody on that team, or anybody at hell that
shoot the.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Four three, Come on, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna lie
if you go four four four, you go four five,
I'm good four five. If you can run a four
to three, you run for the clock.
Speaker 10 (41:20):
Telling you I've seen it, you know, actually filming what
he ran when he was uh when they timed them.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Okay, I will I don't think.
Speaker 10 (41:29):
I know not what I think. I'm not what I see.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Okay, all right, Well I'll standing corrected if I'm if
I stand corrected.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
You know, you know I love you. Stuck gotlig show
here on Fox.
Speaker 10 (41:38):
I'm gonna have I'm tweet that for you. I'm gonna
have him tweeted out. What what Jane ran. I'm gonna
have him tweet that out for you.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Four threes four threes fast? Four four three is really fast? Okay?
Speaker 1 (41:51):
What what does it feel like in a locker room
if your star quarterback is caught lipping We freaking suck,
Only he didn't say freaking real talk Like you get
to the locker room like the next day and you
guys come in to work and everybody's seen it.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
What are guys like?
Speaker 10 (42:11):
One? He's right? Number two? You can say those words,
but you can't go on I R. Once you say
those words, you gotta find a way to get out
here and play with us. Sound you You can't pack
it in You can't say that and then pack it
in like you got to find a way to play
(42:35):
against the Eagles. You got to find a way to
play against the Commanders. If not, you can't make that statement.
You can't do that, And so for me, you can.
You can say that as long as you're gonna be
out there with us on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
But they do freaking stink, And like how much of
it is personnel based? How much of it is Zimmer
is a bad fit for what they had previously.
Speaker 10 (43:05):
Zimmer wants to play defense a certain way and just
an adjustment you got to. They haven't had Parsons, their
best defensive player for a while that day, Bland hadn't
played all season. And so when you're missing some of
your better players on defense, that's for sure it's going
to hurt you offensively, it's all CD, What did they expect?
(43:28):
This ain't the NBA. Man, You get a ball to
Anthony Edwards and say go get me a bucket like
they have CD Lamb and who else. That's the problem.
And so it's personnel for sure, on the offensive side
of the ball. Defensively, he's been missing two of his
better players on defense, and you take Chris Jones and
whomever else off the Chiefs, they won't be as good.
(43:49):
You take Aiden Hutchinson and somebody else off the Lions,
they won't be as good. That would affect every team.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
T Jospinzeoners, I guess you're on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports rad You mentioned John Harbaugh being one
of your favorite coaches. How about Jim Harball. I saw something,
and again I could be making a big deal out
of nothing because I'm just a Charger fan, right, But
did you see at the end of the first half
when they were trying to do the lateral drill to
move it down the field maybe score.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
With no time in the clock, and they almost scored
correct But.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Then at the end, when when they kind of ran
out of options, they ate the ball. And to me
it was like, well, they've now the run that drill
and executed it, but whoever had the ball last made
the right decision of you know, and it's not worth
it because what happens to dan those things against a
little loose you turn over and the other team could
take it back for six am.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
I crazy? You think that's actually a sign of really good.
Speaker 10 (44:43):
Coachingug So this offseason, I spent some time with the
Chargers set in those meetings. When I tell you that
Jim is going over every single detail preach that offense.
When we do this, if we have nothing, don't just
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keep tossing the ball back and give up unnecessary points.
They're going over everything, gotten all odds and crossing all teams.
There's not a stone that will be left unturned when
it comes to the preparation. The awareness of what each
situation tels like. She is locked in with everything. And
I saw it myself in those meetings, how attention to detail,
(45:26):
little tidbits that he would go over so that everybody
has an understanding of what we want to do, what
we're trying to do. We're gonna go out here and
rep it, and if we don't get it, we're gonna
keep doing it till that everybody has a clear understanding
of what's expected.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Who's you the best man? Can wait to see here
here this weekend show. Thanks so much for taking some
time with us, and we will talk to you.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Very very soon.
Speaker 10 (45:47):
I appreciate you, Doug, and I wanted to congratulate you man.
First college game as a head coach bro keep up
the great work, my man.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Well, hopefully we win one and then then it can
be real gratulations. I do appreciate you, thanks so much.
Speaker 10 (45:58):
Who's your process, Doug? And oh, you know, it's just
a process.
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Tjushmanzada will join us this hour, Daniel Jeremiah next hour,
we'll shift our focus. Skates you ready for the upcoming
NFL slate. Should be a really good week. I mean
we have Thursday night games sometimes haven't had the best matchups.
Bengals versus the Ravens is the opposite of that.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's a great matchup. Great matchup.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Bengals who have I don't know why you say underachieved, right,
lost a couple of games on the last by one
play to start the year. Kind of gotten together a
little bit as of late, but this is one It's
a tall mountain to climb as the Bengals have won
three of four, have won four of six, but those
early losses, combined with the loss in overtime to the
(01:25):
Ravens earlier this year, are starting to kind of pile
up now after this game they have the Chargers on
the road.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Chargers look like a potential playoff team.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Bye week, Steelers at home, then to the Cowboys, to
the Titans, Browns, Broncos against Steelers, so there's some wins
still to be had there, but this is one after
losing to the Ravens at home, you got to try
and even it up on the road. We'll preview that
game as well. Other team in that division. We mentioned
the Browns, and I thought this would be interesting to you.
(01:57):
You know, I've said this for a long time that
if your answer after a year or two is I
don't know, then.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You know what the answer is.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Right if you go if you take a test drive
for a car, they're like, let you have it for
a weekend. If you drive it for the weekend and
they say, what do you think? You're like, I don't know.
You have your answer. If you've been dating a girl
for a year, year and a half and you say, well, what's.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Your guys future together? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You know what your answer is. Your answer is do you?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's not that you.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
It's not that you don't want to start over. It's
that you don't want to start over. Here's Andrew Berry
when he was asked Andrew Berry's the GM of the Browns,
when he's asked about Deean Watson's future with the team.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Really our focus with Deshaun, I would say for any
player with a season eniting injury and a major injury
is first and foremost with the recovery and to make
sure that he gets healthy from the Achilles injury. You
everything else will deal with that a later moment.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It's a world in which Deshaun Watson can come back
here and play more football for you guys.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah, I think that's always possible.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's always possible.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
There's a differencene possible, likely and going to happen, right,
possible and likely and going to happen?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Is it possible? Sure? Sure?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Now, a lot of things are possible. Maybe the follow
up to the follow up should be, is it likely
he didn't say that the Browns are left in the
frankly and viable position. They were in an invent viable
position before he got hurt. Now it's like, and this
gives us our chance to get out of this terrible contract,
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really an eye sore for the entire team.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And then you think about the fact that.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It would sound like he has a bad rep for
the things he's done off the football field and he's
just killing it. He wasn't playing well, He's had a
bunch of injuries, and now he has an achilles injury.
The likely it is his performance won't be as good,
and it wasn't good enough even before that. So I
(04:10):
think the Browns have said everything they want to say
without saying a word, which is kind of masterful and
a kind of genius even in its simplicity, Because if
they wanted Deshaun Watson back, if they expected him to play,
(04:31):
then that's what you lead with. We want him back.
All expectations are he's going to play here and we
can't wait to get him back. If it's likely a
it's you know, barring some crazy setback.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
He's our guy.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Well, we'll just make sure he handles rehab first and
then we'll figure that out. Is it possible for him
to come back? Sure, it's also possible for pigs to fly.
This is the Doug Gottlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I guess the question becomes, does does Deshaun Watson play
(05:10):
another snap in the NFL? I think the likely it
is now. I just don't think the likelihood is now.
And yes, most of it is his own doing with
the off the field accusations and oh yeah, by the way,
also is.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
On the field performance.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But the other part to it is not as much
as fault and that he's never been backup guy. That's
not who he is, That's not how he's wired, that's
that's not how he does what he does.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Could he?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, I mean there's a world there with all the
football and the knowledge that he has, But some guys
just aren't designed to be backups. And when you have
an eye sort of a contract, one that the Browns
wuld do anything to get out of. You're coming off
an Achilles, You've had two ACL surgery, You've had what
two one.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Or two A one on ACL surgery.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
At some point they go like, ah, you know, too
banged up to play. But the reality is the contract's terrible.
He's not good and he's not designed. He's not wired
to be a backup quarterback that takes completely different wiring
and an acceptance of your fate that you may or
may not get in games.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
That is not Deshaun Watson. Not Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So my guess is he's played his last NFL game,
and he's got a lot of money, and he had
a great college career, and as time passes on, there's
a world there where he you know, I don't know
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just can't see a way in which the Browns go, yeah,
we'll do that again. We always talk about you know,
we always talk about uh uh is in in our
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in my world, in college basketball, we say is.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
The juice worth the squeeze? But in the NFL, i've
are you worth your problems? You know?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Is your talent with your problems? And the thing about
Deshaun Watson is whatever problems he had, they haven't chased him.
But the reputation is solidified and established.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And that's who he is. That's who and what he is.
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you're just like you went up by getting lost in
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the middle of the week. Technically this is the middle
of our show because we also have the podcast hour,
which drops at the end of the show, and it's
the middle of the day for me any of you,
So we call it the Midway.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It's not getting It's time for the Midway.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Doug Outlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's the
midway topic?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
You love?
Speaker 5 (09:22):
There?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I think this this really feels like a Dan Bayer
topic more than anything.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Right, Wasn't my idea though, No, But I'm on board
with it though.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, because also Dan remembers every single story in every
single play from the for the first half.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But Jase stew it's your topic. We'll give you the floor.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Thanks Doug All taking from here, I was thinking, uh
worth the exact halfway point number eighteen weeks now, so
after nine weeks is the exact halfway point of the
football season. The NFL season I'd like to talk about
and you, guys, I think we're gonna leave it.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
It's a pot luck. I think we're gonna leave it
up to you.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
What's the best story of the first half. What's the
most surprising story? And maybe that's one and the same.
What's the biggest disappointment? You guys know me, I'm I
skew negative. I always like disappointing things for my content.
So how about what you give you guys? A choice
one of the three or all three?
Speaker 6 (10:16):
Or I think it can be all encompassing, like as
we just talk about stories like we don't have to.
We can categorize them, but we don't have to say,
like we do with love and hate, what's your love
and what's your hate? I think we could just say
the ups of one team are the downs of another.
I think that's fair, because I do you want me
to go first?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Go ahead?
Speaker 6 (10:38):
I think it's the failures of the New York Jets
that is story Numero uno of this season, because of
the hype, because of Aaron Rodgers, also because how it
has transpired, the firing of Robert Sala, the problems. I
believe that the Jets in their three and six record,
not completely out of it for the playoffs, but definitely
(11:00):
an uphill climb if you will. Right now, the first
half story of the NFL season.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
I think for those reasons.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
I think the the premature fire into their head coach
and then them just trading for DeVante and trying to
make that work. I think that's what makes it intriguing
as the weeks go by, because I don't think Aaron
Rodgers has anything is anything close to what he what
he once was, and uh, just kind of trying to
(11:31):
cater to him and his needs in this moment is
a trend wreck waiting to happen.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, I do think the Aaron Rodgers thing is gigantic.
That's that's a good one. I'm going to jump in
and say, the Cowboys, it's not that they're bad, it's
that it's all encompassing.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You had the contract stuff with Ceedee Lamb, you had
the fact that they passed on Derrick Henry. Then of
course they acquiesced to gave Dak Prescott a new deal,
and that Dak Prescott has been below even his own standard,
and now they're an abject disaster and he's out for
a month.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I would say it's the Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
The Cowboys are always a story. I think they're the
only team in the National Football League that we have
a specific segment for sure. We don't have one for
the Chiefs or the forty nine ers or anyone else.
But if you will see and I know that if
you're driving in your car, you're getting out of work,
maybe you're on a walk, you can't see the sheet
that we have on in our studio. And my out
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on a limb was that the Cowboys would miss the playoffs.
They would not make the playoffs this year, boom, and
so seeing how things have transpired, Doug, You're right, the
Cowboys are always a story. But I can't say that
I'm shocked that they're sitting there at three and five.
Maybe how it is transpired, but there's a team with
no run game whatsoever. You're bringing in a defensive coordinator
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and Mike Zimmer, who I'm not sure how many other
guys around the teams around the league would go to
Mike Zimmers. They're a defensive coordinator, they're so top heavy
and who who they are? I just I had severe,
like significant questions about the Cowboys this season, and to
see them sitting at three and five doesn't surprise me
as much as maybe as it would for others.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
What's worse than being bad in our business?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Not being not being You're not interesting.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Right, you're boring. They're boring to me. In fact, they're
kind of like Fast, the Fast and Furious movies in
the past, Like they always had a lot of glitz,
a lot of glamour, a lot of explosions, but they'd
always came up short, little empty calories. Now they're not
even that. They're they're a boring team. Like, I think
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the only the only way to salvage a great story
coming out of Dallas is if Cooper Rush, like he
did a couple of years ago, wins four games in
a row and then we're like, oh, we just gave
Dak Prescott a billion dollars and Cooper Rush just led
us to four wins in a row, and it'll be
great trauma. Yeah, I think boring is worse. A bet
(14:03):
I'm gonna bring something up that nobody expects and go ahead.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
So when you had just one thing more thing about
the Cowboys in their three wins this year, they had
the opener against the Browns, Well, now we know what
the Browns are. They were able to manage a victory
against the Giants, and we saw that Sunday night game
against the Steelers. That was a back and forth affair
that maybe shouldn't have been. But they were blown up
by the Lions. They were being blown up by the
(14:30):
Ravens until they came back. They were blown up by
the Saints, they came back. They were being blown up
by the forty nine Ers. And now you've got the Eagles,
Texans and Commanders in your next three weeks without your
star quarterback. It ain't gonna get any better. It is
not all right, very true, am i am?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I only allowed to suggest that this is not like
dip so I can have multiple things, right.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I think that the Steelers are a gigantic Steelers are
one of the most popular teams. Then they had justin
fields and Russell Wilson like that whole thing and how
it would work, and then they kind of won some
games justin fields. But most people are like, yeah, it
look great. And then Russell Wilson, who you know, he's
basically been let go by.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
His last two teams, and you know, for nothing.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
I think Steelers, I would say specifically that quarterback Quarterbash. Yeah,
the quarterback room in Pittsburgh. It has worked out.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
My pick am I out on the limp pick here
in the studio. Steelers going to the AFC title games
still a.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
Holding of that's all right, could be.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
It's still weird to say Commanders, you know, still would
to say Commanders. But the Commanders have been the feel
good story. Yes, the Lions are the better team. But
for people who people who are young, if you're like
twenty five and younger, you have no idea the popularity
(16:01):
of the then Washington Redskins, right, Remember Joe Gibbs won
Super Bowls to three different quarterbacks and I mean anybody
from that area because there used to be no Ravens,
and after the Colts left, everything was Redskins, Redskins, red Redskins,
and they were like and the rivalry with the with
the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Was huge, as it was with New York Giants.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And to take a team that had been so downtrodden
felt like for so long. They've been the playoffs recent
but to have a rookie quarterback who won a Heisman,
that's usually the kiss.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Of death in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Kingsbury who people thinks stuff doesn't work in the NFL,
it has. And then Dan Quinn, who of course built
that Cowboys defense, took the Falcons to the Super Bowl.
It was one of the architects of the Legion of
Boom as well. The Commanders are a pretty big story too.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I have a question for our listeners. Yeah, who is in.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
First place in the NFC West. I guarantee you didn't
know that the Arizona Cardinals are in first place?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I know.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
I think Dan knew that five and four. The reason
why they're a good story is and I drafted this
guy in the second round, and I know their first
round pick has been a disappointment. Marvin Harrison Junior. I
think has had like two games that have been productive
and then it has been has like disappeared for quarters,
(17:23):
multiple quarters. So you asked, howard of Cardinals in first place?
I have no idea. I don't I'm going to lead it.
Speaker 9 (17:30):
Up to that.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Yeah, I'll tell you how they're why they're rushing. This
is what stood out to me last year about the
Arizona Cardinals. And if you listen to my Sunday show
with Carrier Roads, I sound like a broken record. Last
year under Jonathan Gannon in their first year. They played hard,
they played for him, They played for that team. There
wasn't quit. Doug talked about his team on Monday. The
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best thing about it was how they didn't quit and
had what a nineteen point lead ended up being a
thirteen point you know, uh game at the end of
the game. Arizona did not quit last year. They only
won four games, but they played hard every game. And
there's something about James Connor, whether it be is about
with cancer, whether it be you know, him being a
(18:12):
field good story in Pittsburgh, but then the Steelers not
you know, wanting him around, so he goes to Arizona.
He is an absolute beast. And I think everything that
James Connor is is representative of the Arizona Cardinals. They
went to San Francisco this year, came back, won a game.
They've got good players and while Michael or excuse me,
mar Vinier's and Junior has been a disappointment, Michael Wilson
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is a nice second option as a wide receiver. Trey
McBride we all knew in fantasy football, but like James Connor,
seems to be the heart and soul of that team.
Which is surprising because I think we thought it was
Kyler Murray. But they are so a James Connor sort
of team, and it's not surprising when you see the
volatility of Seattle and San Francisco and the ups and
downs and the pieces that the Rams have had to
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move in and out. The Cardinals have actually been somewhat
concent in their pieces and who they've had, and I
think it's representative of their solid running back.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
I think Kyler Murray like the low hanging fruit for
people in our business, very low hanging, like unimaginative jokes,
like when the recent Call of Duty came out, like
the low hanging joke is like, well, there it goes
the game plan for the Cardinals this week. You know
that he's just preoccupied with his video game playing, and
I think that like this season to me, when I
(19:30):
see him play and everything, I think, man, this is
a kid that's locked in. Like he's especially talented, but
like I kind of feel good for him. Good for
him because, like I said, there's an easy joke in
our business about Kyler Murray and it's really damning that
he cares more about a video game than he does football.
(19:51):
So good for him.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
There is something to watch second half of the season
with Murray and Marvin Harrison Enginior though, Yeah, because they
haven't necessarily been on the same page a lot. Because
as Jason talked about the maybe someone of the disappointment
of Harrison so far at the start of the season, Remember,
Kyler also said like he wasn't going to force feed
him the football. And so if they're winning, it's not
(20:15):
going to become an issue. We're not talking about it
to that point. And I think that's actually a good
thing with Arizona right now. But we'll see if it
pops up in the second half.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I have another get one team we haven't talked about. Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Dolphins, right, Tua gets the big contract, Tyreek Hill gets
arrested outside the stadium. Everybody thought their coach is just
like the coolest you know you guys at Bentley. He's
got gold sunglasses, he's got swag.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
They stick.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And and yes, one of the reason was they lost
their quarterback. But even with him, they're just not a
very good football.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
I'll give credit. I'll give credit to Jason Stewart who
said that the Chiefs going for the three peat was
going to be the story of the Sea and right
now undefeated.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
Yeah, and not even looking all that. You know, they're
undefeated despite you see a lot of you know, flaws
with them.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
I mean they're not they're not overwhelming people.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
They're three and a half up in the AFC West too.
That's what that's what else is crazy?
Speaker 8 (21:16):
How about two running backs going to teams whose logos
are birds and doing very very well, Derrick Henry and
Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Trades, Barkley leaping over small buildings and seeing a single ballot.
That stuff's crazy. The saque Barkley video from this past
weekend is crazy.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
I'll tell you what. It's a it's a it's a
very good point. And there's a bigger thing that we
actually talked about a week ago on the I Want
Your Flex podcast. When you look at the rushing leaders
in the National Football League, what what do you notice
from these from these rushing leaders? And I'm going to
give you the yard.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You had to bring up the Russians a day after the.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Elect Russians close to thirty years old. The three running
backs who are averaging over one hundred yards per game,
Jason's a little close, but it's not exactly where we're going.
Are Derek Henry, Saquon Barkley, and Jill Mixon. All three
are on new teams this year. It isn't the death
of the running back that we thought it was. These
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guys maybe the top of the food chain of running backs,
but they have been such a huge boost. Josh Jacobs
in Green Bay doesn't have the yards per game average,
but when you talk about total yards, he's third in
the NFL and rushing right now. So you know, he
goes from a you know, from the Raiders to the Packers,
Aaron Jones for the Vikings, he's played well, yeah, absolutely, JK.
(22:38):
Dobbins going from the Ravens to the Chargers, all of these. Yeah,
these these new old faces and new places has been
a theme when you're looking at the running game in
the NFL, and we but think it's such a dying breed,
but really maybe it's just because how we've treated it previously.
And so you've had success with guys in new places
this year at running.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Back pretty good, good well, And that actually is a
byproduct of what we talked about last year.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Last year was the.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Story of the running back with discontent, you know over
the contracts topens, so many of them actually changed teams
and they've had some success.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
And also DeAndre Hopkins is a perfect example. He goes
from the Chiefs and everybody's like, oh my goodness, they're
going to be unstoppable. DeAndre Hopkins, Well, I'd rather catch
passes from Patrick Mahomes than Will Levis and Mason Rudolph
no offense, and know he's a friend of the show,
but Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes. I'd rather run behind
the Philly offensive line than, you know, than what the
Giants had put up the previous couple of years. You know,
(23:35):
there's certain places are just better options for other places,
and I'm wondering if we're going to see that in
future years with the teams who you know, invest in
the offensive line and have strong fronts. I do want
to give a shout out to the Lions as well,
because I did pick them to win the Super Bowl
and they have done nothing so far to think that
they aren't on that track to represent the NFC. Props
(23:56):
to the Lions.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, I think my thing with the Lions was like
just it's so hard to be consistent and you think, okay,
well you know, you have a guy who should be
a head coach and he turns down head coaching opportunities
to remain assistant coach like that. All doesn't always work out,
and you know what it has in this particular case,
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everything has worked out perfectly.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
And I'm my final submission to this, I don't think
San Francisco is a story because I think everybody is
split on what they think is going to happen with
the Niners, so they've just been kind of, you know,
going along. But we don't think we've seen the full
San Francisco forty nine ers. And maybe we will this
week with Christian McCaffrey finally back, but you're not gonna
have Brandon Ayuk the rest of the season. I'm still
(24:41):
I'm not as bullish on the forty nine ers, and
I think there are some people think, like, oh, later
on in the season they'll turn it on. I think
they're more of a second half story than a full
first half story for San Francisco.
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Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Obviously, I've lived on one side of the media, and
I've done the media stuff when I was a college
player and someone as a professional player. But you know,
I haven't played in the NFL. Let's not kid ourselves.
On the other hand, we've done the interviewing. We ask
people questions all the time, and you know, it's it's
a little bit like what Andrew Berry said without saying it,
(25:43):
that I want to play you some sound. So you know,
there have been a lot of people critical of Matt Eberflus.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I mean, Colin Cowhert.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I don't did did Eberflus be in as cornflakes at
some point in time. I'm not really sure when that
moment was, but Colin has been on about, hey, they
gotta make coaching changes, all coaching, and there's some validity
to many of the things he said. I it is,
you are the head coach, so when they call a
fourth down call that no one agrees with, even though
(26:12):
you're not the offense courting your defensive guy, you still
have to own it. But players know, players know, if
coaches know what they're doing, if coaches have the pulse
of the locker room. Here's DJ Moore when he was
asked if Matt Eberflus has lost the locker room.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
I want to say no, yesterday was that. We know
we formed four Now it's just like being Zarrow zero.
But he just got to go out there and starts
back and wins how he did. And that's the best
thing we can do is win and then let the
chips fall how they fall at the after we do.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
So.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, I mean what Dj Moore is saying is he
didn't say no, but he said, hey, we win, We're okay.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah. That's actually not the sign of a good group.
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Everything is good, Everything tastes good, smells good, feels good
when you win.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
When you win, but.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You have your culture is you know, if your culture
is intact, you know, if your group is cohesive group
when they face the adversity of multiple losses, they're still.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Together and they still listen to you, and they still believe.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
I don't want to say no.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I don't want to say no. I don't want to
say no.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Yeah, Dan, you know, there's something very interesting going on
with the Bears, because it doesn't even seem like it's
a two sided fight because DJ Moore is kind of
in the center of all of this. But it was
his comments last week when he was critical of the
when iber Flush told him to keep his comments in house,
(28:00):
and then DJ Moore said, yeah, that's what I was told.
And then this past week against Arizona, Dj Moore basically
quit on a play where he ran out of bounds
and I don't know if he pulled up lame, tweaked
an ankle or something, but took himself completely out of
the plane, was on the sidelines as Caleb Williams is
running around, and then later on in the game at
(28:23):
the end of the game, as the Bears were just
had the ball at the end, there's a spot where
you see Caleb Williams walking off the field and DJ
Moore walks past him and they bumped shoulders like you
would have if you had beef with someone. So I
don't know who Dj Moore is mad again or mad at,
but he sure seems to not be happy with Eberflus,
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and he sure seems to not be happy with Caleb
Williams at this point. So it's very, very odd because
I think we thought the divide would probably be Eberflus
and the coaches on one side at Caleb Williams and
the players on another. But it's a weird dynamic in Chicago.
Or DJ Moore finds himself in the center of all this.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, I am I. I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I think it's really fascinating to see, like, I don't
know if DJ Moore is getting exposed.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Can I let's just do this.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Dan, I agree with you. Okay, you're one hundred percent right,
So can I tell you? Let me just tell you
my perception. You tell me if you think it's way accurate.
He probably thinks Caleb Williams is getting treated with kid
gloves getting a pass.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
You know, he's the number one overall.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Pick and they're not hard enough on him, and he's
likely making mistakes or doing some or not just not
getting the ball, and Ibravlus isn't holding him accountable, and
so that's why he's mad at both of them.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, that's what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah. Yeah, and again, we don't have any idea, Dan,
do you have any idea?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I mean, we can only read but hear what he
says and then read by language.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I saw them bump shoulders. I was like, that's weird. Yeah,
that's weird, very odd.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
It's also a very like, I don't know, a toxic
male thing to do where it's like you're both trying
to prove a point, so neither one budget and you
get that scenario there. DJ Moore has a platform every
single week, you know, speaking today, speaking with you know,
media outlets, and and the whole thing last week of
(30:31):
just saying like I should have kept my complaints in house. Well,
then you're talking about stuff that maybe should have been
kept in house. So it's it's very very odd, and
I don't.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
The funny thing is, Doug is if you're trying to
get Matt Eberflu's fired, DJ Moore is not doing a
great case to keep himself around in Chicago. Sure, So
that's what's odd.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
To me because would you why would you keep a
guy around and who who was disloyaled to his previous coach.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
Yeah, and then it doesn't get along with the quarterback apparently.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Right, and by the way, Caleb mwone is not going
anywhere you know, like, you don't get rid of a
guy a number one overall pick in a year unless
he's an abject disaster.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
He's not an abject disaster.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
So again it makes you think that what must be
happening is they must something about Caleb Williams and the
accountability or mistakes or how he's carrying himself or whatever.
But it's pretty obvious that when somebody asked if you'd
lost the locker room, the answer is no.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Interest.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Now, no, I got something.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
You remember when after the season ended last year, Remember
DJ Morrow is one of the players the publicly said
that he wanted Justin Fields back and there was a
little bit of awkwardness there when they decided to drop
the quarterback and they went back to DJ More and
he played he said the company line, but there was
that awkwardness there and that he was a Fields guy.
(32:06):
Then they bring in Cable Williams. And I'll add this
as well. Do you remember that anonymous executive who said
about Williams that you're putting a lot of faith and
you're putting a lot of capital into a guy that
might be prince. Do you remember that? And I think
everyone took the analogy of Prince as that he's kind
of eccentric or even girly or whatever, what the fingernail
(32:29):
polish and everything. But I think what he meant was
Prince is aloof Prince is difficult, Prince doesn't get along
with people in his team. So maybe there's something with
all of this.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Maybe I think it said he's eccentric. Eccentric.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
By the way, eccentric is as misspelled and pronounced as
espresso is. Just as somebody who doesn't know, how do
you spell espresso? What do you think they say? They
all say e X, don't you think?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I think so espresso? Am I saying it wrong?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It's espresso?
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (33:15):
So eccentric is actually eccentric.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
It's e c C is how it's spelled.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Yeah, I thought it was eccentric, isn't it. You're saying,
like grocers your grocer's freezer.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
How is it actually pronounce?
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Because somebody get you there, eccentric.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Do the thing in your phone where it can where
it can say it right, like espresso, There is no X.
It's espresso. Eccentric. Okay, do you think it's eccentric?
Speaker 4 (33:46):
That's how I have pronounced it.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
It's just very fat.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
For me centric. Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Uh My point is, I do think there's some people
that think it's xcent eccentric. X Stug Gottlieb show here
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Speaker 2 (34:12):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
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You can also find it where podcasts are. Who's a
bunch to get to? Let me ask you about DJ Moore.
I doesn't feel like he's been all in on Eberflus
(34:34):
or on Caleb Williams. What's your read? You are a
talented wide receiver. You worked with some dudes who are
a little bit divas. He hasn't gone full you know,
he has a napalm the thing, fully, but there's definitely
a lack of complete buy in.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
What would be he'd be so upset about.
Speaker 10 (34:52):
I mean, you know as receivers, we get very few
opportunities to impact the game. I'm assuming coming from his
lack of involvement in the offense one and they're losing.
You winning games. You may not like your involvement, but
you're okay because you're winning games. But when we're losing
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and I'm not being involved in the offensive game plan,
and that's gonna be a problem. I've never thought that
Shane Waldron was a good play call as far as
the way he sequenced his cause when he's expecting certain coverages.
But I guess when you come under Sean mcveig, you
get plenty of opportunities.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Let's talk about your Bengals.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I think you know, you look up on the board
and they've sort of righted the ship, winning three of
their last four, but a big win against the Ravens
team they could have beaten lost to in overtime at home.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
What is the current state of the Bengals from your perspective.
Speaker 10 (35:48):
I mean, they should go in there feeling good offensively,
but I mean they lost the defense. They lost that
game because the defense couldn't get a stop. You know,
jaw believe he had five touchdowns almost four hundre yards
of total offense and the defense just couldn't get that
stop up ten with less than four minutes. That game
should be won. And so you're going to it content offensively. Now.
(36:12):
I don't know if T Higgins is gonna play, that
will be a blow. And if he doesn't play, then Jermaine,
who did some things he shouldn't have done last week,
is gonna have to step up. Yosee Bo's gonna have
to step up. I believe Orlando Brown will be back,
but the onus will be on in my opinion, will
they be able to run the ball against the Ravens.
(36:32):
We know the Ravens have I believe the worst passing
defense in the National Football League, But it's gonna come
down to can Jermaine Burden and Yosei Boss make an
impact in the passing game outside of Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
If he doesn't play, Yeah, T T's listener is doubtful
for tomorrow. By the way, how surprised are you they
hung on to T Higginson trade him at the trade deadline?
Speaker 10 (36:51):
Oh, I'm not surprised. I'm surprised that they actually traded
for Herbert. You know, that's just something that Bengals don't
do if t Lee see they're gonna get a third
round pensatory pick anyway. So with somebody gonna give them
a first or second round pick, probably not. And so
if you're not gonna get that White trade and when
you know you're gonna get a third round pick for
him anyway.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What about
the Ravens? They play so well at times and then
some real stinkers. What's your take on where the Ravens
are not necessarily just in terms of the season, but
they're gonna be judged based upon the postseason. I know,
what are your thoughts on what the ceiling is for
this group?
Speaker 10 (37:32):
It's hard to get a post on what they are.
You know, did they lose Opening Day against the Chiefs
and that made the game very interesting, Literally lost the
game where we can say by half an inch, and
then the other two losses to the Browns who aren't
very good and the Raiders who aren't very good. So
it's almost as if like what type of team are they?
(37:52):
But I know, offensively, this is the best we've ever
seen the Ravens under Lamar Jackson. They can run the
ball that will, passing the ball that will. This is
the best offensive team we've seen the Ravens have with
Lamar Jackson as far as being multi dimensional and can
beat you on the ground or in the air. The
surprise is, when's the last time we've seen the Ravens
(38:15):
defense this bad. That's a shocker to me, and so
they should be optimistic. But they got to figure out
a way. Why are we losing the teams that we
should be beaten handily?
Speaker 2 (38:26):
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I mean, the only thing I can think of is, well,
when you spend that much money at quarterback and on
pieces of the offense, there's got to be a shortfall.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Maybe that's where the shortfall is. I guess that's the
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (38:39):
Doug, that's a myth man, because when people bring that up,
you know, as far as how much the quarterback's making,
all I do is refer back to one team. Their
quarterbacks making a ton of money, and so is everybody
else on that team. Almost you look at the Eagles,
both their receivers are highly paid, their running back is
highly paid. Both tackles are highly paid. Darius Slay, you paid, like,
(39:02):
to me, that's an excuse when they say, oh, the
salarycap our quarterback is making to look at the Eagles,
how are they doing it?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
A great question.
Speaker 10 (39:11):
Eagles are doing it.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
It's it's a it's a it's a great question.
Speaker 10 (39:15):
Right, So if you want to get it done, you
can get it done. You got to find a way.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, and I and I think the Ravens are better
at quarterback than the Eagles are at quarterback. It's an
established question.
Speaker 10 (39:26):
They're They're lucky, though, Doug, because they flowers their best receiver,
Ricky contract. They just traded for Deontay Johnson, who will
be a free agent at the end of the season.
Obviously they pay Derek Henry, but under market value considering
what he's doing. It's just the Ravens have been so
good defensively that they constantly are losing defensive coordinators because
(39:49):
they're getting opportunities to advance themselves in their career. So
figure it out. I'm a fan of both teams. I
love I love Harball, He's one of my favorite coaches.
But I always go with my heart when of Sabingas
and I feel we have a genuine chance.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Did you know Jane Daniels was this good.
Speaker 10 (40:09):
I did, Doug, he trained with us, I've seen it
every day. My only concern going into this had nothing
to do with that Jadon Daniels. It had to do
with dan Quinn being a defensive coach. Would he really
let Kingsbury just kind of take the reins and then
that's just be the head coach of the offense. And
I should have known he would have done that because
(40:30):
he did it with Kyle Shanahan in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Sure.
Speaker 10 (40:32):
Oh, he did it with Kyle Shanahan. He's doing it
with Cliff Kingsbury. Yeah, I'm watching Jayden throughout this process.
I felt like he would be really good, extremely accurate,
really good arm didn't run the forty, but would probably
run a four to three. The players are gonna grow.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Who whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. He's a four to three.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Doug, I'm stop, stop, who I love you four to
three wide elite wide receiver speed.
Speaker 10 (41:03):
When if you ever get a chance to interview him
or anybody on that team, or anybody at hell that
shoot the.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Four three, Come on, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna lie
if you go four four four, you go four five,
I'm good four five. If you can run a four
to three, you run for the clock.
Speaker 10 (41:20):
Telling you I've seen it, you know, actually filming what
he ran when he was uh when they timed them.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Okay, I will I don't think.
Speaker 10 (41:29):
I know not what I think. I'm not what I see.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Okay, all right, Well I'll standing corrected if I'm if
I stand corrected.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
You know, you know I love you. Stuck gotlig show
here on Fox.
Speaker 10 (41:38):
I'm gonna have I'm tweet that for you. I'm gonna
have him tweeted out. What what Jane ran. I'm gonna
have him tweet that out for you.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Four threes four threes fast? Four four three is really fast? Okay?
Speaker 1 (41:51):
What what does it feel like in a locker room
if your star quarterback is caught lipping We freaking suck,
Only he didn't say freaking real talk Like you get
to the locker room like the next day and you
guys come in to work and everybody's seen it.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
What are guys like?
Speaker 10 (42:11):
One? He's right? Number two? You can say those words,
but you can't go on I R. Once you say
those words, you gotta find a way to get out
here and play with us. Sound you You can't pack
it in You can't say that and then pack it
in like you got to find a way to play
(42:35):
against the Eagles. You got to find a way to
play against the Commanders. If not, you can't make that statement.
You can't do that, And so for me, you can.
You can say that as long as you're gonna be
out there with us on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
But they do freaking stink, And like how much of
it is personnel based? How much of it is Zimmer
is a bad fit for what they had previously.
Speaker 10 (43:05):
Zimmer wants to play defense a certain way and just
an adjustment you got to. They haven't had Parsons, their
best defensive player for a while that day, Bland hadn't
played all season. And so when you're missing some of
your better players on defense, that's for sure it's going
to hurt you offensively, it's all CD, What did they expect?
(43:28):
This ain't the NBA. Man, You get a ball to
Anthony Edwards and say go get me a bucket like
they have CD Lamb and who else. That's the problem.
And so it's personnel for sure, on the offensive side
of the ball. Defensively, he's been missing two of his
better players on defense, and you take Chris Jones and
whomever else off the Chiefs, they won't be as good.
(43:49):
You take Aiden Hutchinson and somebody else off the Lions,
they won't be as good. That would affect every team.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
T Jospinzeoners, I guess you're on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports rad You mentioned John Harbaugh being one
of your favorite coaches. How about Jim Harball. I saw something,
and again I could be making a big deal out
of nothing because I'm just a Charger fan, right, But
did you see at the end of the first half
when they were trying to do the lateral drill to
move it down the field maybe score.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
With no time in the clock, and they almost scored
correct But.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Then at the end, when when they kind of ran
out of options, they ate the ball. And to me
it was like, well, they've now the run that drill
and executed it, but whoever had the ball last made
the right decision of you know, and it's not worth
it because what happens to dan those things against a
little loose you turn over and the other team could
take it back for six am.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
I crazy? You think that's actually a sign of really good.
Speaker 10 (44:43):
Coachingug So this offseason, I spent some time with the
Chargers set in those meetings. When I tell you that
Jim is going over every single detail preach that offense.
When we do this, if we have nothing, don't just
(45:04):
keep tossing the ball back and give up unnecessary points.
They're going over everything, gotten all odds and crossing all teams.
There's not a stone that will be left unturned when
it comes to the preparation. The awareness of what each
situation tels like. She is locked in with everything. And
I saw it myself in those meetings, how attention to detail,
(45:26):
little tidbits that he would go over so that everybody
has an understanding of what we want to do, what
we're trying to do. We're gonna go out here and
rep it, and if we don't get it, we're gonna
keep doing it till that everybody has a clear understanding
of what's expected.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Who's you the best man? Can wait to see here
here this weekend show. Thanks so much for taking some
time with us, and we will talk to you.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Very very soon.
Speaker 10 (45:47):
I appreciate you, Doug, and I wanted to congratulate you man.
First college game as a head coach bro keep up
the great work, my man.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Well, hopefully we win one and then then it can
be real gratulations. I do appreciate you, thanks so much.
Speaker 10 (45:58):
Who's your process, Doug? And oh, you know, it's just
a process.
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