November 11, 2024 • 49 mins
Doug talks about the victories on Sunday by the Chiefs and Lions as both faced adversity and pulled out their wins in the final seconds.
Doug and the crew share what they loved and hated most about their sports weekend in this week's version of "Love AND Hate".
Doug breaks down what is going on with Caleb Williams and the Bears. Doug welcomes FSR Weekends host and former NFL player Rich Ohrnberger onto the show to talk about the Cowboys, Lions and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
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little bit of a cold here, boys, bat A little
bit of a cold. So it is. It's not yet
winter in Green Bay. But to those of us who've
lived in southern California for roughly twenty one years of
our life, it feels a lot like if it gets
worse than this. Wow, No, it's just really windy, about
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forty degrees and cold and crisp. And then when you're
not feeling good to begin with, it doesn't feel any better.
You know, when you take the reins of a show.
You're like, Hey, should we dogpile on the Cowboys? That
seems easy? Should we try and figure out what the
(01:25):
hell happened to the Texans last night? Is Jered Goff
throws five interceptions and they still lose? Should we go
into some sort of what now for Chicago because this
really isn't working? Or will you talk about something that
I noticed? So full disclosure. Friday, we played and lost
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to Saint Thomas University. Saint Thomas University was a D
three national champion in twenty sixteen. They're in their third
year of transitioning to Division one. We knew they would
be really good, and they were kicking our tail in
the first half. We were competitive in the second half,
cut to nine, but could never get much closer and
ended up winning anything about thirteen or fourteen points. And
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you look, when you're a first time coach, when you
played a Power five school and then you played a
high level Division ones, a high level mid major. I
think Saint Thomas is exceptionally well coached. Obviously, we had
Johnny Tower on their head coach Friday before the game.
You know, people know in the industry know and they're like, yeah,
your first one's coming, but man, when you got zero
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in two next to your name, doesn't feel good and
you start to fall back on what have I always
known is that the hardest thing to teach. And we're
not even there yet, right we haven't gotten to close
games that were to lose yet. We won our scrimmage,
we won our exhibition, we've lost our two games. We
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haven't gotten to where it's it's close so we can
really figure out what we have to learn. But there's
this thing about winning places in losing places, and I
think you all know it to be true. It's like
the Lions for fifty years would have lost that game
last night, and the Chiefs for probably thirty years, especially
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if it's the playoffs, would have lost that game yesterday.
But the Chiefs have this remarkable ability to do everything
in their power to not win, only find a way
to win at the end of a game. And the
Lions have somehow flipped the script on their history and
figure out how to win when previously they would always
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go into the tank and lose. It's like the most
sports thing ever that you can't really explain, is that
just winning becomes contagious winners win. And I watched both
of those games yesterday. You know, I'm sick on the couch,
not feeling great in and out of consciousness. But watch
the Chiefs brought and there's nothing really special about what
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bo Nix is doing, you know, just everything is easy
and safe. But they put themselves in position to win
the game on a game winning field goal and it
doesn't get blocked. And then you watch late at night
and that game should have been over at halftime between
It wasn't just that the Lions were throwing interceptions and
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not playing well. The Texans were playing good football. Here's
Dan Campbell, head coach the Lions, talking about how his
defense kept a minute.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I thought our defense played good early. We just had
one play here, one play there that really that hurt us.
But second half you come out and it's you know,
four punts, two picks, and a missed field goal, and
that's huge. And we talked about it at halftime. We
just needed to get our takeaways. I just felt good
about it. I just felt like he was gonna make it,
you know, and he did. He stepped up and nailed it.
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That was great and his confidence is growing.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Here's Jake Bates, the kicker. I'm sorry sorry. Here's Jared
Goff talking about the five interceptions, the adversity as team
dealt with.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I didn't feel like I was I was playing all
that bad. I was seeing things well. Ultimately, I got
to take care of the ball, but they were, they
were making some good plays and and I think ultimately
like I never lost confidence because I felt like I
was doing what I was supposed to do on on
on most of those plays, and the guys stuck with
me on offense. And I was telling them, hey, man,
I'm good, just just hanging there and I'm good, I'm
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gonna have this thing figured out, and they stuck with me.
When you can dig in deep in those adverse situations
and come out on top, it just it just prepares
you for the next adverse situation. You know, it's never
over till it's over. We were in a hole there,
big hole, and they were playing well, they were humming
on defense. I kept giving them the ball over and
over and we fought.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
We really did. Yeah, you just you learned so much
more about yourself through adversity. I will be honest. My team, uh,
you know, we we get we're It was an eighteen
point swing in five minutes in the first half five minutes.
Same thing happened against Oklahoma State, and my positive takeaway
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was my guys fought back that they dug in. They
decided to play defense. We changed a couple of things
and they decided, Hey, we're going to guard our man,
guard our ball, rebound the basketball, and then do the
things that I asked to them offensively. So again the
takeaway is you really find out about yourself, about your
culture when you go through adversity. That's the thing about
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the Lions, right, I thought they gave away the NFC
Championship game last year. Those are hard things to come
back from because you spend the entire offseason doing these
shoulda coulda would have and sometimes you skip a step
when you're like, yeah, we're actually we're good. I thought
what golf nailed is the true secret to all this stuff.
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You got to play better, but you can't lose your
confidence what you've been doing right, and that can only
come from three things yourself within you, but two your
coach and the culture that's around you where we're not
jumping off the ship. And then you have to have
seen some sort of success through adversity, like the Lions
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winning the game is great, but even in position to
win that game I think is special. And if you
ask any Lions fan to be like for the last
fifty years, we would have lost that game. It would
have been embarrassment if could have gone away down three
touchdowns and the game would have been over early and
the bus would have been started at the end of
the third quarter. That's not what Dan Campbell has said,
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and that's not what Dan Campbell has done. Right, you
can't point to any genius in terms of X and o's.
He doesn't coach the offense. He's a former tight end
and tight end's coach doesn't coach the defense. What he
has done is he's spread this air of confidence and
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a will that if you go back to his opening
press conference, he said, when you knock us down, we're
gonna get up and we're gonna take a kneecap. You
knock us down again, we'll take the other kneecap. Right,
all of that stuff that was clowned about, that was
made fun of, and I will point out made fun
of by other shows, not by this show, because I
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got it, I understood it. I lean into who you are,
coach those things and make them non negotiables. These non
negotiables are we are not giving up. There is no
score that's going to make us give up, positively or negatively.
And then you look at the Cancaity Chiefs and it's
annoying what they've gotten to. But it's really remarkable how
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this has changed. If you think back before the Pat
Mahomes era, and most of it was in the playoffs,
but before the Pat Mahomes era, the Chiefs were regular
season darlings, and the second they'd hit adversity in the playoffs,
they would go away a lot of times at home.
And now it's quite the opposite. They just find away,
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find a way, and culture and leadership is like you
know the French phrase, the jena sequa. It means it certain,
I don't know what. It's something that can't be truly identified.
There's not one thing. It's just a feeling. And both
of those teams who feel like they're on a collision
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course to get to a super Bowl habit. It's the
genes sequa. It's the I don't know what, I don't
know how, I don't know how. Kancity keeps winning these games,
but they find new in inventive ways to do it.
I don't know how the Detroit Lions came off of
being having five interceptions from the quarterback, trailing on the
road early and coming back and winning a game late.
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But they've done it. That is leadership, That is culture.
That is the jenisequa. I don't know what it is,
but winners do win.
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Cowboys Stadium, but of course at the least opportune time ever,
it rears its ugly head. But every Monday we encapsulate
our thoughts on the weekend with something we call love
and hate. What did you love?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
God?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I love you?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
These player hay is what do we love from the weekend?
What we hate for the weekend. Let's start with what
we'd loved from the weekend, Dan Byer, start with you
love from the one.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Yeah, Doug, I know this probably sounds like a broken
record as I'm talking about uniforms, but I did love
the Texans look last night against Detroit. Maybe the all
red is difficult for some, but it's difficult to get
helmets right, especially in the National Football League. And to
kind of do a branch off of what the Vikings
do of what the Eagles do of using the bull
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horns like they did. I thought it was a very
very strong look helmet wise for the Houston Texans. Combined
with the Lions' blue look, it looks really good. Maybe
not as good as the Holy War uniforms looked between
Utah and BYU. I'll get to that in the hate,
but just the look of what the Texans brought to
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the table on Sunday Night football. I am a big
fan of that alternate helmet.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Huh Iowa slash Big Apple Sam. What'd you love in
the weekend?
Speaker 7 (12:39):
It's got to be the Indiana Hoosiers getting to ten
and oh baby, first time they've ever won ten games
in program history, and how can he not love it?
And listen, they might go into the playoff and face
off against an Ole miss or you know, a Georgia,
whoever it may be, and get completely smoked like a
Georgia versus Hawaii and the Sugar Bowl way back when
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something like that. But for now, dreamers can dream, and
hope is alive and they're partying in Bloomington, Indiana, And
how can you not love? Kurt Signetti the guy I
tweeted this out over the weekend. The guy's a little
bo Polini. He's a little Southern drawl. He's a little
bit East Coast Italian, maybe smoking a shig. Kurt Signetti,
he's a character. He's very original, he's very likable, and
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I absolutely I love this Indiana team. I love this
Indiana story this year. That's my love of the weekend.
You know what this reminds me of Northwestern nineteen ninety five. Wow,
And as an Ohio State fan, it is difficult to
enjoy that, especially because Northwestern ended up going to the
Rose Bowl that year in Ohio State and hadn't been
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in a decade. But this is what it reminds me of,
kind of I know Northwestern was a bigger story, more
of the ranks to riches, but this has feelings of that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Jayseuo, thank you, Doug.
Speaker 8 (13:57):
I'll take it from here. You know who I love.
I love my father, My old man served in the
Vietnam War. Happy Veterans Day to him and all that
are listening right now that have served in our wars.
You've done something that I probably didn't have the heart
to ever sign up for. So much appreciated and I
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love you. I love when Caleb Williams struggles and for
the reason these are the reasons his dad was like
kind of like a LeVar ball last year. Remember, he
was the one that was saying that his son was
going to be so he was going to be more
than generational. He was going to be a one of one.
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He was going to be the draft pick that changed
the way NFL did business with their special talent. He
was going to need a percentage of the team that
drafted him. That's how good Caleb Williams was going to be.
He was going to change the game. Last yesterday, you
can make an argument that he was the fourth the
best rookie of the day, the fourth best rookie, not generational,
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not a one of one. He has been humbled and
obviously this meme made the rounds yesterday. Remember he was
the one that sent the text message to his punter
in the off season that the puncher wasn't going to
have to work very hard. And I think they did
what nine or ten punts just yesterday if I'm not mistaken.
So all this is to the amusement of me, somebody
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getting too big for their breeches and being humbled is
something that I enjoy. Maybe that says a lot about me,
but I love that.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I loved Missouri's comfort behind win against Oklahoma, And yeah,
something does come down to being an Oklahoma state guy.
You know, Oklahoma has had in years in which they've
been great, unbelievable luck, and they call it Sooner magic,
and it looked like they had Soon Magic there where
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you know, tie game, Missouri fumbles and they pick it up,
run it back, take a twenty three to sixteen lead.
Missouri goes eight plays, eight plays, converts a third and
ten and a third and sixteen, scores a touchdown to
tie it up. Oklahoma gets the ball back with a
minute three to go. Okay, and on the I think
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the third play second first player was a penalty first
play picks up five yards. Jackson Arnold, who was supposed
to be the Golden Child, started the first three games,
then gets bench, comes back in to some success. He
gets sacked and fumbles, and Missouri picks it up and
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runs it in with thirty seconds to go, a game
that they had to feel like, Okay, we got a
great defensive head coach, we got a lead on the road.
We got a little bit lucky with a fumble return
touchdown against Missouri, a team that they would always beat
when they played in the Big Twelve, and they found
a way to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.
That's the opposite of Sooner magic, and that makes me
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very happy, considering my alma mater got their butts whooped
by TCU. So oh, you not just losing, but the
way they lost to Missouri. That's why I left for
the weekend. All right, let's go to the other side.
What's the hate, Jay Stu, you're a resident hater. What's
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you eight from the weekend?
Speaker 8 (17:32):
I'll tell you what, Doug, you know what I hate
fantasy football? What fantasy football has become. I've said this before,
but I'm going to say it again for the listeners
who are just tuning in. The one thing I've always
enjoyed about fantasy football is that there is skill involved.
People might think it's gambling, but it really isn't. I
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have a twelve man league. We've been playing in the
same league for twenty years. A bunch of college buddies,
and the same four to five guys are in the
playoffs and playing for Super Bowl every year. Now the
other guys will trinkle in a good season here and
there and keep them interested. But it's basically the same
four or five guys that tells me that fantasy football
is a skill game. You put work into your draft,
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you put work into your waivers. Every week, you pay attention,
you stay on your game, and you can be better
skilled than your opponents. Fantasy football is just a gamble nowadays.
I'm gonna use Cuba Hubbard. He's probably a really good guy.
Chubba Hubbard, whatever your name is, I'm gonna use it
as an example. If you drafted Chubba Hubbard, it was
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probably in your draft.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Cuba Hubbard.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
Chubba Cuba rhymes of Tubaa. You probably drafted a mid
range in the middle of your draft. Is either a
handcuff for the rookie that was coming in this week
this year, or just a guy that Chubba Hubbard has
been the last couple years.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
A guy Hubbard, Cuba Hubbard.
Speaker 8 (18:56):
He won your fantasy week yesterday. He had a career
high in fantasy points. You know who didn't win your
week yesterday, Hall Tyreek Hill will probably lose you your
week tonight. Cee do you Lamb? These were all guys
that were expected to do well that you drafted way
ahead in your draft, but just because you luckily drafted
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Hubba Hubbard and because he was there, shot won your week.
Once something becomes a gamble, it's less fun. If I
want to gamble, I'll just pick against the spread or
do this single week fantasy on DraftKings. That's what I
hate about fantasy football. Now, Dan, do you agree with
any of that?
Speaker 6 (19:34):
I agree with with some some parts of it. I
do find Jason's frustrations with fantasy football kind of funny
because fantasy football is the ultimate I think bleep happens,
and it just maybe happens too much to Jason Stewart.
Even with Cuba or Shubba Hubbard former Oklahoma State cowboy.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Hubba sounds fun fun and funny because it's like Chubb
a Hubba. It's like Chubb and Hubb kind of rhyme.
So it's like Chubb a Hubbard Hubbard.
Speaker 9 (20:08):
But Cuba, I was a Tuba.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I benched him in my Guillotine league because I just
still thought that defensive front of the Giants could hold up.
You guys, want to know what I hated this past weekend?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, very much.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
That fourth down holding call called against Utah in that
game against BYU. I uh, not a fan of it.
There was also another play in that sequence where BYU
called time out. Half the players thought that the play
was going on the other half. I guess maybe heard
the time out. Utah did have opportunities to get a
stop on that drive. In fact, once they had an
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opportunity to get an interception, unable to do so. But
to hear how mad Kyle Whittingham was and how mad
their ad Mark Carlin was. Yeah, tough one for the
Utes on Saturday and night. And it made me wonder too, like,
was Whittingham was wit so mad because there's rumors on
how long he's going to be the head coach they've
already named coach and waiting was just maybe his last
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shot at by U. All those things, you wonder if
that could be but a tough way for the Utes
to lose on on Saturday night.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, that was that was That was a tough one.
I look, I disagree with the call greatly. I thought
it was a bad call, especially considering how physical it
had been that game, how physical it's been throughout college
football season. I can't agree with an ad saying the
game was taken.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
From Sure You find forty grand yesterday. Mark Carlin was
for his comments because he was basically saying that that
the Big Twelve and then those officials from the Big
Twelve want to win, yeah, because they were you know, unbeaten.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, yep, yeah, and which which, by the way, like, listen,
you can disagree with the call. Here's the thing, Okay,
I gotta tell you, I met it's a clown look
for an ad. It really is. It's incredibly unprofessional, incredibly
unprofessional to say all you have to say. It was like,
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I think that you're allowed to say. I think that
call costs us the game. It's fourth down, it's a
terrible call. We win the game. Now there's a there's
eighty or so other plays that that had had similar
importance that one. But then to go, hey, we love
being the Big twelve except this, and then insinuate that
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the league and Brett Yormark want BYU to go undefeated,
and the logic behind it is if they go undefeated,
then they lose in the Big Twelve championship game. Does
the league get two teams into the College twelve playoff?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Right?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
That's that's the whole insinuation. But I mean, do we
really think it's that deep? Do you have any idea
the levels of crimes? And if that conspiracy was proven
to be true, I think it's an awful look from
an ad. Really not good, really not good. And forty
dollars is not enough.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
No, it was the highest fine handed out. But you're
also again, you're a new member in that league, like
I mean, you're you're half a season in, You're you're
not even a semester in, and uh, already making enemies?
Not good?
Speaker 7 (23:07):
Is that ad taking a page possibly from Cheryl Reeves comments?
After you know I was stolen from us, it was
still a lot of people with big time authority going
on the record and saying this was stolen. When something
you say something stolen from me, there's a lot of
gravity there, there's a lot of there's a lot of
volume to those kind of comments.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
She wasn't the first to say something was stolen from her,
so exactly.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Some of me, Hey there, Sammy fans behaving badly. And
this has been going on on now for several weeks.
We go back to Georgia on the road at Texas
and I don't even remember what was causing the fans
at Texas to be so you know, outraged about something
that happened on the field. Their team wasn't playing well,
so they start littering the field with you know, plastic bottles.
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Fast forward to this weekend. You know, as a side note,
you could say, look at the miss situation where there
was time still left on the clock. The fans are
rushing the field, and they're a top twenty team. They're
rushing the field a little time still left on the clock.
You act like you've been there before. But you can
see Lane Kiffin mouthwards, Uh, this is bleeping ridiculous, and
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he's talking about his own fans rushing the field with
time left. Just just take get the win over Georgia.
Move on, you're a good team. Act like you've been
there before. But really it was LSU hosting Alabama where
I think there was a face mask call or something. Again,
fans are upset with where their team is playing, and
then some official calls a penalty and people just start
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throwing bottles again onto the field and ESPN's Kirk kurb
Street has had enough. Here are his comments from the game.
Speaker 9 (24:50):
Why does that have to become a thing?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
This year.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Some idiots do this at Texas, and now all of
a sudden we see it popping up in college football.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
Enoughs, enough clowns. Just what are you doing?
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Enough's enough clowns. I love that. I loved it. It
was just it's kind of funny but absolutely true. Just
be better than that. Like your team is losing, there's
nothing you know, start deal with it. Deal be better
at dealing with this. Don't throw objects on the fields. Dangerous.
You were hitting your own cheerleaders. Enough of that.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I hated that. I hate losing. And we lost Friday,
and uh, nothing tastes good, smells good, feels good. And
then I got a cold to boot and yeah, and tomorrow,
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just so people understand, I want to miss tomorrow's show.
We were supposed to fly on these charters to McComb,
Illinois for a game against Western Illinois. Very good club
LEATHERNECKX Leathernecks, right. And the charters that we use are
state owned planes, and we can get bumped off them
for some dignitaries that are more important than us. So
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we have a six and a half hour bus ride
and I'm gonna take this show off. And so it's
one thing to take a six and a half hour
bus ride.
Speaker 10 (26:15):
That's the job.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I'm kind of excited to get a lot of work done.
Probably do it, you know, when we get there, record
a podcast, a ton of prep for this game, prep
for Saturday's game against Providence as well, watch a lot
of video, probably watch the movies. Call everybody I know.
But coming off of a loss where we really didn't
play well on the first half, it's still gross. Like
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it's still and then when you're the coach, you gotta
watch the film. You gotta go over it. You got
to figure out what you did poorly. And I did
several things poorly. I just I don't like it. I
hate it. Matter of fact, it's what I hate from
the weekend. And that's a little love it hate.
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Things we Love, Things we Hate. Rich Hornberger is going
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weekends and he hosts his own show in San Diego.
I do want to talk. It's interesting. We don't need
to turn this into Chargers talk. But does anyone realize
the Chargers are six and three on the year, And again,
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I don't think they're a great football team at all.
I don't think anybody would argue with me. I think
six and three on the year. Though, what's that about?
Like this is a winners win And yeah, their schedule
is easier because they you know, fourth place schedule, fourth
place team last year, got it. But man, are the
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Chargers their ability to just be solid win games not
lose games. There's an NFL expression more games are lost
than our won, and the Chargers are a perfect example
of that. A lot of other stuff going on. Man.
You have Deebo Samuel getting into it with his long
snapper and kicker, and then the kicker kicking the game winner.
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You have do you guys see this Friday? Auburn's basketball team,
they're getting ready to go and play on the road
against Houston, and the plane turnaround because two guys got
in a fight that one overshadowed, some accusations going on
in Florida, Lots lots of things, and then of course
you have the college football Saturday. We'll get to the
college fball Saturday. I think in the pod mostly uh,
(28:49):
maybe a little bit in love and hate. Alabama goes
down to beat LSU in Baton Rouge on a Saturday night.
What in one hell of a football win? And we
had our gambler picks? Had your guys gambler picks? Do,
Jase do what your mine was? Old miss over Georgia.
That was I thought that was pretty easy. It turned
out to be pretty easy. I don't remember your guys
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gambler picks? Jase do?
Speaker 8 (29:12):
I think you were singing during mine, so I'm not
surprised that you didn't remember it because you were so
involved in the lyrics yallos. But no, I think I
missed on both of mine, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
What were your picks?
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Great question? I don't know. I remember Kyle Boehler wasn't
walking through the door, so cal was.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Involved, Yes, But I like, how would do this segment
when Doug's coming off of a win? Yes, you know,
like we never do this. Yeah, Like I took the
Bears and they they were embarrassing on Sunday, and so
I lost my gambler pick.
Speaker 9 (29:45):
Dannon won like six straight gambs.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Started out six and oh and I don't think I've
won one since I mentioned it on the show. So,
and I loved Denver this week. By the way, for
some reason, I don't know why. I had been talking
about it for weeks, and I thought if the Chiefs
were to lose that it would be the game. Obviously
they didn't, But I don't know why I took the Bears.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Is a real question, though, real question. Okay, if your team,
let's say you picked the Broncos, and the Broncos for
all intentsive purposes, should have won that game, do we
Does anybody want to dispute that I'm not a Broncos fan.
I'm a Chiefs fan and a Chiefs hater and a
Broncos hater. I'm just a sports guy who watches for
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all intentsive purposes, the Broncos should have won the game.
The chances of a blockfield goal in the NFL are
very remote fewer blockfield goals than missed extra points. Okay,
since they've moved it back, so they should have won
that game. What does it make it a bad pick
if you if you miss on that one.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
No, it doesn't make it a bad pick. It just
shows you again why you wouldn't necessarily why it's not
great business to bet on the NFL. And by the way,
that would be a So you're beginning a lot of value.
Which but if you just righted against the spread, you
were safe and sound, no matter.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
But let's say you picked the Broncos straight up, and
you're like, I think the Broncos, and and you line
out a couple of reasons why you're like, look, Chiefs
probably don't take them particularly seriously, right.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
Yeah, short week for Game of the City, they got
Buffalo next week.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Sure, Sandwich game whatever. And then and then the game
winning field goal gets blocked and they cleared, like, you
don't necessarily get to do a victory lap. And I
told you so, But I do think you actually earned
people's respect. You're like, you know what, you're probably right there.
You know you're right there, Sam, What was your pick?
Speaker 7 (31:35):
My pick was the Mighty Cardinals defeating the Mighty Jets
at home, and uh yeah, they won by twenty five.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So yes, yes, Jets, jetsra j Ets, Mess Mess Mess, Okay, Dan,
I'll promise you this every Monday now, we'll make sure
to recap them, because I have taken some l's on them.
I've done pretty well in these as well, and no problem.
And like, look, you guys would have allowed me to
dodge the fact that my team gave up fifty four
points in the first half on Friday, like that was embarrassing.
(32:07):
I appreciate it. We're not gonna duck and dodge that stuff.
We're gonna learn. We're gonna figure it out. And I
one't thing people don't know is I can't tell if
I broke my foot or not. So we come into
the locker room. We gave up fifty four points in
the first half, twelve layups, twelve laps. They got us
(32:27):
all spread out and twelve laps, and I kicked a
chair because you know, the chair was looking at me sideways.
The chair was running its mouth to me about my
defensive concepts and not knowing what I was doing. So
I kicked that damn chair. And I haven't gotten an
next raid. It's the the area is still swollen and
the toes are black and blue, but I have full
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movement on it, just a little bit of pain. So
I think it sounds better if I say I broke
my foot. I don't know if it's actually broken. Here's broke,
So there you go, let's get the Bears. I did
watch some of that. Caleb Williams was sacked nine times,
nine times. Here's Caleb Williams, the number one overall pick
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in this year's draft, talking about the struggles on offense.
Speaker 10 (33:14):
Had about two or three plays and key moments of
situational ball that I didn't click in in my head.
Two was taking two sacks, two or three sacks in
situations where we were able to get a field goal attempt.
And then you know, I put us out a field
goal range, not throwing the ball out of bounds or
over one of my ride receivers heads or dirting and
things like that, and then I think that I think
it starts there.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Here's Matt Eberflus, a coach who's under a ton of pressure,
talking about their struggles. Well, look at everything.
Speaker 11 (33:41):
I think it's looked from everything from the the top
to the bottom and making sure that we're finding the
answers to move the ball on the field, you know,
play better as a football team on offense, defense, and
special teams. As the head football coach, all disappointed, accepting accountability,
you know, for everything, and then really just looking inward
at myself. And that's what I the players to do too,
take a good hard look at everything and like good
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compimentary football.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
So, I mean, there's no real answers there provided other
than he did say the buck stops there. They're a mess.
And here's the thing that I actually can relate to.
You know, we losed Oklahoma State on Monday. I made
sure tell my guys don't let Okloma State beats you twice.
And I think as a coaching staff, you're in the
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same thing. Like our matchups with Saint Thomas couldn't have
been more different. The two types of games. They're skilled
and smart and spread you out, can all shoot a
fundamentally sound playoff two feet, whereas Oklahoma State is just
they just bully you, They push you around, they get up.
Their offense is that it's still developing. There's nothing really
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special about their offense. Then they throw it up and
they go get it. But I do think there's a
hangover effect to a game in which you're like, well,
we were competitive and maybe we should have done better,
and each individual player, each VINDUOL coach starts questioning themselves.
You look at the Chicago Bears, I don't think there's
any question that it's not just that they lost to Washington,
(35:11):
how they lost to Washington. You get in the plane,
you're going back, you know, your pointing fingers at your
defensive back who's celebrating with Bears fans for the last play,
and now you come out and just the bottom fell out.
I do think ebra Flus is gone. Collins had this weird.
I guess he's called it, but he's been on him
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all year about the offense when ebra Flus does not
have anything to do with the offense. They replaced the
whole offensive staff, and you have a young quarterback and
young even some of the best Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman.
They've all struggled their first year and looked horrendous. So
I don't know really what to make of Kayleb Williams,
because he did at times look better last week and
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looked completely lost this week. I can only tell you
that that was If you were like Dan Byer and
you actually put real money on the Bears, you want
to break your TV yesterday. That was maddening. They were
so dysfunctional offensively, didn't block for him, and he didn't
seem to see where the pass rush's coming. Well that's
rich Orenberger in a moment. Though. First let's get you
(36:16):
back to Dan Byer gets you an update on everything
in sports TV.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
You ed not only drama in Chicago, but also in
New York. Giants coming off of that loss in Germany
to the Carolina Panthers. Giants head coach Brian Daball meeting
with the media today and was asked this question about
his quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah. The question I have is.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
If you're paying the guy whatty million dollars, is it
a waste of money if you bention him.
Speaker 9 (36:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Again, what we'll do is we'll go back, well, we'll
evaluate the tape, and we'll.
Speaker 11 (36:43):
Make the decision that we think is best.
Speaker 9 (36:45):
For our team, Brian Dable.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
They are saying they will evaluate Daniel Jones as the
team's starting quarterback. Jaguars head coach Doug Peterson says they
have no definitive news on the injured shoulder of quarterback
Trevor Lawrence. It did keep him out of yesterday's lost
to the Vikings. Unning back Leonard Fournette meeting with the
Bengals today. Former NFL head coach and current senior advisor
for Wisconsin Jack del Rio stepped down from his position
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after he was arrested on ow whe charges last week
in Madison. Del Rio allegedly drove his car into a
yard after hitting a stop sign and breaking a fence
early Friday morning. In Wisconsin. Kings guard Milik Monk out
tonight against the Spurs because of an ankle injury, while
Pistons forward to sar Thompson has been cleared to return
by the NBA after developing blood clots in March. And
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in college basketball, didn't see the Phoenix in the top
twenty five, but we do see Kansas sitting there at
numero Uno Alabama comes in at number two, while Yukon
sits at number three. Congrats to Saint John's breaking in
the top twenty five. They're at number twenty two, getting
into the rankings for the first time since twenty nineteen
and then the women's rankings, South Carolina a unanimous number one.
Dug back to you, Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Stuck out Leab show, Fox Sports rader Rich Hornberger join
us in a second honest question, Dan, did you watch
all Sunday Night football or did you click it off
when it felt like it was over?
Speaker 6 (38:03):
It was actually the opposite. My son at a birthday
party that I had to attend after I did my show,
and so I came into the game at halftime.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Okay, speaking of birthdays, Happy birthday to Big Apple Sam
right now in your birthday?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
No, it was like three weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (38:21):
Her birthday is October nineteenth, was it?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Why did pop up on my phone on my calendar?
That's your birthday?
Speaker 7 (38:27):
Today's niece birthday?
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Have a birthday to your niece, betternsday birthday. I woke
up yesterday. Yesterday is my sister's birthday. Happy birthday, Wendy.
She just won a seat on the school board in Lafayette, California.
And then I had it marked to my calendar. Ioway say,
I'm birthday November eleventh. I had no idea.
Speaker 9 (38:49):
No, you said it was Big Apple Sam. So there's
different Sam in play here.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
My bad let's get to Rich Ornberger, who joins us.
You can hear in Fox Sports Radio on weekends. Of course,
you can also hear him on our sister stations and Diego,
but he's co host of Fox Sports Radios. Countdown to
kick Off with Jared Smith and Brian no Airs each
Saturday between nine am and New Eastern time. Listen live
on our Fox Sports Radio affiliates on the iHeartRadio apresented
by Bett MGM. I want to ask you about the Bears,
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but I want to ask you from a different perspective.
You know what happens is we talk about how big
a mess the Bears are, Should we spend it any
time at all? Talk about the Patriots, who look they're
not going to make the playoffs. The new coach to
still trying to figure out what they got at quarterback.
But if you look at the last three weeks, granted
non playoff teams beat the Jets, lost the Titans and
(39:39):
OT and then they thoroughly and completely confused a young
quarterback in his offensive line. Is the story solely the
Bears or should any of it be the Patriots?
Speaker 5 (39:50):
I think that you should herald any first year head
coach for any successes because it's tough. The NFL is
really tough. And I know Gerrod Mayo been around this
game for a long time and he was a successful
New England Patriot. But running a team on your own,
having every single answer to every single question run through
your desk, I mean it's a lot of responsibility. And
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every single head coach will tell you, you know, the difference
between your first year on the job versus your tenth
year on the job or your twentieth year on the
job vastly different because you need experience to really understand
the whole concept of being a head coach and how
you want things organized. So yeah, I think we should
give some props to Drought Mail and Drake may and
(40:37):
that Patriots team for doing.
Speaker 9 (40:39):
A nice job.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Then you look at the Bears. Look, Matt ever Flewis
is at new on this job, but he might not
be long for this job, Tayler Williams is, So you're
going to give the rookie a bunch of excuses. Here's
the problem I see for the Bears is this offense
lacks creativity or really synchronicity to what he did with
(41:00):
success at the collegiate level and then they're not protecting
him and he's not getting the football out. So there's
a clock that a quarterback needs to have go off
in his head, and that clock is broken with Caleb
Williams right now. And then you look at this offensive
line and he doesn't trust that even the players who
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they're responsible for are going to be blocked. So he's
a little bit, a little bit shy in the pocket
and that is just a recipe for disaster. So they
need to resolve those issues really quick otherwise this is
going to be a very long season for Chicago.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Do you think Kayleb Williams has it in him?
Speaker 5 (41:42):
I think Kayleb Williams could could become a starter in
this league. Right now, he's playing like a backup. He's
playing like a like a young guy who's got a
decent amount of potential. But I mean, would you take
Tayler Williams today over Sam Darnold, I wouldn't. Would you
take Tayler Williams today over Joe Flacker, And I'm talking
(42:03):
for one season and one season over only over over
Joe Flacco?
Speaker 9 (42:07):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
I'd take Joe Flacco or Sam Donald. I mean, those
are backup quarterbacks in this league. You know, it doesn't
mean that a backup quarterback can't raise his ability to
the to the starting level. We saw it with Baker Mayfield,
who was a first round draft pick, who was I
mean what two years ago, was a third string quarterback
for the Los Angeles Rams and found his way back
(42:29):
into the starting lineup with the Buccaneers. But Taylor Williams
looks a little bit lost out there and looks like
the game's moving really fast for him. But it doesn't
mean he can't get better. But they've got to make
some changes around that offense and and get things a
little bit more in sync with with him and the playbook,
and then we'll see it flourished. But right now, there's
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not a whole lot of good to report on offensively.
In Chicago.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
You mentioned Sam Donald three, he wasn't particularly good. Is
the clock struck midnight on the Sam Donald Cinderella story.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
That's so funny that you make that comparison, because I
was saying this morning, he kind of looks like Sam
Donald's turned into a pumpkin, right, you know, like you know,
the the glass slipper fit for the first six weeks
or so, but then we started seeing some weaknesses in
the armor and it started looking to look like old
Sam Donald. Do I think it's over? I think that
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the Vikings have a pretty good chance of continuing to win,
even in spite of Sam Donald, because I have a
lot of belief in Kevin O'Connell and what he can
get out of that position, at that quarterback position. We
saw with Kirk Cousins, who he seems rejuvenated by Kevin
O'Connell when he when he took the job in Minnesota,
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and we're seeing it with Sam Donald this year. Now
waiting in the wings is JJ McCarthy. So this is
a one year fix either way. But I think that
if he can and I'm talking about KOC, but the
head coach can tell dam like, hey, listen, we don't
need you to fit the ball in places it's not
supposed to be. We don't need you to take shots
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when they're not there. We need you to operate an
offense and be a little bit of a game manager
here and survive this season for us. If you can
get that message Troue without insulting Sam Donald, then I
think this could be a prosperous season for Minnesota. Because
they're still finding some ways to win, but that it's
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really going to hinge on whether or not Sam Donald
can be less careless with the football because turnovers and
explosive plays are two of the biggest measuring bars in
terms of having success on the season. If you keep
your turnovers low and you gather a bunch of turnovers,
you know, defensively, if you have a bunch of offensive
explosive plays and you can keep the explosive plays against
(44:54):
you down defensively, then you have all the recipe, all
the makings for a successful season.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
voice of Ridge Ornberger. Of course you can hear them
every morning in San Diego here on weekends here on
Fox Sports Trader. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Trader of the iHeart Radio app. Have you
ever seen anything like what the Lions were able to
pull off last night?
Speaker 5 (45:20):
That was sensational? You want to talk about surviving. It
was probably years ago now when the Lions were on
hard knocks. I can't remember if it was last offseason
or two off seasons ago where Dan Campbell was given
that speech It was like a promo they cut for
the season of Hard Knocks. He was talking about how, hey, listen,
(45:43):
we'll tread water as long as we need to, and
we'll bury their asses. That's what he was saying, and
that's exactly what happened in that game. They were underwater
a couple of times because Jared Goff put them into
some real bad situations. But the ethos of that team
is ever say die, never quit, We will continue coming
(46:03):
after you, regardless of the circumstances. Not a single player
on that football field, regardless of whether or not Jared
Goff was having inarguably his worst day as a Lions quarterback,
gave up on that game. Nobody felt sorry for themselves.
Everyone went out there and did their job and they
rescued the day. They snatched a loss, or I should
(46:25):
say they snatched a victory from the jaws of defeat.
And that was that was something that very few teams
can do because they just don't have the character or
the characters. The Lions have both. They have the players
and they have the will and the persistence to get
a job like that done against a really good football
(46:46):
team in Houston. I have a tremendous amount of respect
for that coach and that quarterback and what they've been
able to do hanging around in ball games defensively and
what they're able to accomplish offensively. So the Detroit Lions,
as far as I'm concerned, they're the best team in
the NFL. They may not have the best record that
belongs to the Chiefs well, I think are just getting
(47:09):
by with a mixture of luck and obviously ability to
make clutch plays in certain moments. But if you're asking
about the best team in the NFL playing right now, yeah,
that title belongs to Detroit.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
In Dallas, what do you do? I mean, you got
Dak got a new contract. You just fire everybody and
start over. What would you do?
Speaker 5 (47:31):
Yeah, it feels like you probably will see that happen.
And I don't know if that report comes out during
the season or afterward, but that's a plan. I mean,
Jerry Jones had to have known when he started this
season with his head coach on a lame duck year
and resigning his top receiver in his top quarterback that
(47:52):
unless this season finished in a Super Bowl berth, that
this was going to be Mike McCarthy's last year as
the football coach in Dallas because of the disappointing finishes
in the postseason. So I really feel strongly about this.
I think that in a lot of ways, why wait, Like,
(48:12):
if this is just a slog toward the inevitable, why
wait on getting ahead of the coaching surf or excuse me,
the coaching surch Like, what are we doing here? You know,
if you're going to fire him anyways, give him the
freedom to reorganize his life, maybe figure out where he
wants to live, you know, in the offseason while he's
(48:34):
waiting for his next job, or what's left of the
regular season before he gets his next job, if he
wants to work. Remember Mike McCarthy took a gap year
before signing with the Dallas Cowboys as a head coach
after he was fired by Green Bay. And then in
terms of the Dallas Cowboys, rip the band aid off,
you know, I mean again, we're talking about something that
is an obvious inevitability. And so it's not even like,
(48:58):
you know, sparing feeling at this point. It's just business like,
this is the business of wins and losses, and right
now we're talking about what a three win football team
that has lost their starting quarterback for the year, and
you have a head coach who was on the final
year of his contract. Anyway, it would be much more
surprising if the Dallas Cowboys announced that they were extending
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Mike McCarthy than it would be if they announced today
that they're letting him go. So why not just let
him go and let's get on the path to healing
this gushing wound.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
I'm with you, rich Ornberger. Of course you can hear
him mornings in San Diego and you can hear him.
He's a former NFL lineman, co host of Fox Sport
Radios Weekends, co hosts Fox Sports Tradiers Countdown to kick
Off with Jared Smith and Brian know It airs each
Saturday between nine am and New Eastern Time. Listen live
on any of our Fox Sports Tradio phil It's the
iHeartRadio app presented by bet MGM. Rich are the best. Obviously,
(49:52):
plenty of AMMO for your show tomorrow. Thanks so much
for joining us.
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forty degrees and cold and crisp. And then when you're
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You know, when you take the reins of a show.
You're like, Hey, should we dogpile on the Cowboys? That
seems easy? Should we try and figure out what the
(01:25):
hell happened to the Texans last night? Is Jered Goff
throws five interceptions and they still lose? Should we go
into some sort of what now for Chicago because this
really isn't working? Or will you talk about something that
I noticed? So full disclosure. Friday, we played and lost
(01:48):
to Saint Thomas University. Saint Thomas University was a D
three national champion in twenty sixteen. They're in their third
year of transitioning to Division one. We knew they would
be really good, and they were kicking our tail in
the first half. We were competitive in the second half,
cut to nine, but could never get much closer and
ended up winning anything about thirteen or fourteen points. And
(02:12):
you look, when you're a first time coach, when you
played a Power five school and then you played a
high level Division ones, a high level mid major. I
think Saint Thomas is exceptionally well coached. Obviously, we had
Johnny Tower on their head coach Friday before the game.
You know, people know in the industry know and they're like, yeah,
your first one's coming, but man, when you got zero
(02:36):
in two next to your name, doesn't feel good and
you start to fall back on what have I always
known is that the hardest thing to teach. And we're
not even there yet, right we haven't gotten to close
games that were to lose yet. We won our scrimmage,
we won our exhibition, we've lost our two games. We
(02:56):
haven't gotten to where it's it's close so we can
really figure out what we have to learn. But there's
this thing about winning places in losing places, and I
think you all know it to be true. It's like
the Lions for fifty years would have lost that game
last night, and the Chiefs for probably thirty years, especially
(03:18):
if it's the playoffs, would have lost that game yesterday.
But the Chiefs have this remarkable ability to do everything
in their power to not win, only find a way
to win at the end of a game. And the
Lions have somehow flipped the script on their history and
figure out how to win when previously they would always
(03:40):
go into the tank and lose. It's like the most
sports thing ever that you can't really explain, is that
just winning becomes contagious winners win. And I watched both
of those games yesterday. You know, I'm sick on the couch,
not feeling great in and out of consciousness. But watch
the Chiefs brought and there's nothing really special about what
(04:02):
bo Nix is doing, you know, just everything is easy
and safe. But they put themselves in position to win
the game on a game winning field goal and it
doesn't get blocked. And then you watch late at night
and that game should have been over at halftime between
It wasn't just that the Lions were throwing interceptions and
(04:25):
not playing well. The Texans were playing good football. Here's
Dan Campbell, head coach the Lions, talking about how his
defense kept a minute.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I thought our defense played good early. We just had
one play here, one play there that really that hurt us.
But second half you come out and it's you know,
four punts, two picks, and a missed field goal, and
that's huge. And we talked about it at halftime. We
just needed to get our takeaways. I just felt good
about it. I just felt like he was gonna make it,
you know, and he did. He stepped up and nailed it.
(04:56):
That was great and his confidence is growing.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Here's Jake Bates, the kicker. I'm sorry sorry. Here's Jared
Goff talking about the five interceptions, the adversity as team
dealt with.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I didn't feel like I was I was playing all
that bad. I was seeing things well. Ultimately, I got
to take care of the ball, but they were, they
were making some good plays and and I think ultimately
like I never lost confidence because I felt like I
was doing what I was supposed to do on on
on most of those plays, and the guys stuck with
me on offense. And I was telling them, hey, man,
I'm good, just just hanging there and I'm good, I'm
(05:29):
gonna have this thing figured out, and they stuck with me.
When you can dig in deep in those adverse situations
and come out on top, it just it just prepares
you for the next adverse situation. You know, it's never
over till it's over. We were in a hole there,
big hole, and they were playing well, they were humming
on defense. I kept giving them the ball over and
over and we fought.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
We really did. Yeah, you just you learned so much
more about yourself through adversity. I will be honest. My team, uh,
you know, we we get we're It was an eighteen
point swing in five minutes in the first half five minutes.
Same thing happened against Oklahoma State, and my positive takeaway
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was my guys fought back that they dug in. They
decided to play defense. We changed a couple of things
and they decided, Hey, we're going to guard our man,
guard our ball, rebound the basketball, and then do the
things that I asked to them offensively. So again the
takeaway is you really find out about yourself, about your
culture when you go through adversity. That's the thing about
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the Lions, right, I thought they gave away the NFC
Championship game last year. Those are hard things to come
back from because you spend the entire offseason doing these
shoulda coulda would have and sometimes you skip a step
when you're like, yeah, we're actually we're good. I thought
what golf nailed is the true secret to all this stuff.
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You got to play better, but you can't lose your
confidence what you've been doing right, and that can only
come from three things yourself within you, but two your
coach and the culture that's around you where we're not
jumping off the ship. And then you have to have
seen some sort of success through adversity, like the Lions
(07:19):
winning the game is great, but even in position to
win that game I think is special. And if you
ask any Lions fan to be like for the last
fifty years, we would have lost that game. It would
have been embarrassment if could have gone away down three
touchdowns and the game would have been over early and
the bus would have been started at the end of
the third quarter. That's not what Dan Campbell has said,
(07:40):
and that's not what Dan Campbell has done. Right, you
can't point to any genius in terms of X and o's.
He doesn't coach the offense. He's a former tight end
and tight end's coach doesn't coach the defense. What he
has done is he's spread this air of confidence and
(08:02):
a will that if you go back to his opening
press conference, he said, when you knock us down, we're
gonna get up and we're gonna take a kneecap. You
knock us down again, we'll take the other kneecap. Right,
all of that stuff that was clowned about, that was
made fun of, and I will point out made fun
of by other shows, not by this show, because I
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got it, I understood it. I lean into who you are,
coach those things and make them non negotiables. These non
negotiables are we are not giving up. There is no
score that's going to make us give up, positively or negatively.
And then you look at the Cancaity Chiefs and it's
annoying what they've gotten to. But it's really remarkable how
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this has changed. If you think back before the Pat
Mahomes era, and most of it was in the playoffs,
but before the Pat Mahomes era, the Chiefs were regular
season darlings, and the second they'd hit adversity in the playoffs,
they would go away a lot of times at home.
And now it's quite the opposite. They just find away,
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find a way, and culture and leadership is like you
know the French phrase, the jena sequa. It means it certain,
I don't know what. It's something that can't be truly identified.
There's not one thing. It's just a feeling. And both
of those teams who feel like they're on a collision
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course to get to a super Bowl habit. It's the
genes sequa. It's the I don't know what, I don't
know how, I don't know how. Kancity keeps winning these games,
but they find new in inventive ways to do it.
I don't know how the Detroit Lions came off of
being having five interceptions from the quarterback, trailing on the
road early and coming back and winning a game late.
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But they've done it. That is leadership, That is culture.
That is the jenisequa. I don't know what it is,
but winners do win.
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Cowboys Stadium, but of course at the least opportune time ever,
it rears its ugly head. But every Monday we encapsulate
our thoughts on the weekend with something we call love
and hate. What did you love?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
God?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I love you?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
These player hay is what do we love from the weekend?
What we hate for the weekend. Let's start with what
we'd loved from the weekend, Dan Byer, start with you
love from the one.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Yeah, Doug, I know this probably sounds like a broken
record as I'm talking about uniforms, but I did love
the Texans look last night against Detroit. Maybe the all
red is difficult for some, but it's difficult to get
helmets right, especially in the National Football League. And to
kind of do a branch off of what the Vikings
do of what the Eagles do of using the bull
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horns like they did. I thought it was a very
very strong look helmet wise for the Houston Texans. Combined
with the Lions' blue look, it looks really good. Maybe
not as good as the Holy War uniforms looked between
Utah and BYU. I'll get to that in the hate,
but just the look of what the Texans brought to
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the table on Sunday Night football. I am a big
fan of that alternate helmet.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Huh Iowa slash Big Apple Sam. What'd you love in
the weekend?
Speaker 7 (12:39):
It's got to be the Indiana Hoosiers getting to ten
and oh baby, first time they've ever won ten games
in program history, and how can he not love it?
And listen, they might go into the playoff and face
off against an Ole miss or you know, a Georgia,
whoever it may be, and get completely smoked like a
Georgia versus Hawaii and the Sugar Bowl way back when
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something like that. But for now, dreamers can dream, and
hope is alive and they're partying in Bloomington, Indiana, And
how can you not love? Kurt Signetti the guy I
tweeted this out over the weekend. The guy's a little
bo Polini. He's a little Southern drawl. He's a little
bit East Coast Italian, maybe smoking a shig. Kurt Signetti,
he's a character. He's very original, he's very likable, and
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I absolutely I love this Indiana team. I love this
Indiana story this year. That's my love of the weekend.
You know what this reminds me of Northwestern nineteen ninety five. Wow,
And as an Ohio State fan, it is difficult to
enjoy that, especially because Northwestern ended up going to the
Rose Bowl that year in Ohio State and hadn't been
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in a decade. But this is what it reminds me of,
kind of I know Northwestern was a bigger story, more
of the ranks to riches, but this has feelings of that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Jayseuo, thank you, Doug.
Speaker 8 (13:57):
I'll take it from here. You know who I love.
I love my father, My old man served in the
Vietnam War. Happy Veterans Day to him and all that
are listening right now that have served in our wars.
You've done something that I probably didn't have the heart
to ever sign up for. So much appreciated and I
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love you. I love when Caleb Williams struggles and for
the reason these are the reasons his dad was like
kind of like a LeVar ball last year. Remember, he
was the one that was saying that his son was
going to be so he was going to be more
than generational. He was going to be a one of one.
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He was going to be the draft pick that changed
the way NFL did business with their special talent. He
was going to need a percentage of the team that
drafted him. That's how good Caleb Williams was going to be.
He was going to change the game. Last yesterday, you
can make an argument that he was the fourth the
best rookie of the day, the fourth best rookie, not generational,
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not a one of one. He has been humbled and
obviously this meme made the rounds yesterday. Remember he was
the one that sent the text message to his punter
in the off season that the puncher wasn't going to
have to work very hard. And I think they did
what nine or ten punts just yesterday if I'm not mistaken.
So all this is to the amusement of me, somebody
(15:30):
getting too big for their breeches and being humbled is
something that I enjoy. Maybe that says a lot about me,
but I love that.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I loved Missouri's comfort behind win against Oklahoma, And yeah,
something does come down to being an Oklahoma state guy.
You know, Oklahoma has had in years in which they've
been great, unbelievable luck, and they call it Sooner magic,
and it looked like they had Soon Magic there where
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you know, tie game, Missouri fumbles and they pick it up,
run it back, take a twenty three to sixteen lead.
Missouri goes eight plays, eight plays, converts a third and
ten and a third and sixteen, scores a touchdown to
tie it up. Oklahoma gets the ball back with a
minute three to go. Okay, and on the I think
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the third play second first player was a penalty first
play picks up five yards. Jackson Arnold, who was supposed
to be the Golden Child, started the first three games,
then gets bench, comes back in to some success. He
gets sacked and fumbles, and Missouri picks it up and
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runs it in with thirty seconds to go, a game
that they had to feel like, Okay, we got a
great defensive head coach, we got a lead on the road.
We got a little bit lucky with a fumble return
touchdown against Missouri, a team that they would always beat
when they played in the Big Twelve, and they found
a way to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.
That's the opposite of Sooner magic, and that makes me
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very happy, considering my alma mater got their butts whooped
by TCU. So oh, you not just losing, but the
way they lost to Missouri. That's why I left for
the weekend. All right, let's go to the other side.
What's the hate, Jay Stu, you're a resident hater. What's
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you eight from the weekend?
Speaker 8 (17:32):
I'll tell you what, Doug, you know what I hate
fantasy football? What fantasy football has become. I've said this before,
but I'm going to say it again for the listeners
who are just tuning in. The one thing I've always
enjoyed about fantasy football is that there is skill involved.
People might think it's gambling, but it really isn't. I
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have a twelve man league. We've been playing in the
same league for twenty years. A bunch of college buddies,
and the same four to five guys are in the
playoffs and playing for Super Bowl every year. Now the
other guys will trinkle in a good season here and
there and keep them interested. But it's basically the same
four or five guys that tells me that fantasy football
is a skill game. You put work into your draft,
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you put work into your waivers. Every week, you pay attention,
you stay on your game, and you can be better
skilled than your opponents. Fantasy football is just a gamble nowadays.
I'm gonna use Cuba Hubbard. He's probably a really good guy.
Chubba Hubbard, whatever your name is, I'm gonna use it
as an example. If you drafted Chubba Hubbard, it was
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probably in your draft.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Cuba Hubbard.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
Chubba Cuba rhymes of Tubaa. You probably drafted a mid
range in the middle of your draft. Is either a
handcuff for the rookie that was coming in this week
this year, or just a guy that Chubba Hubbard has
been the last couple years.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
A guy Hubbard, Cuba Hubbard.
Speaker 8 (18:56):
He won your fantasy week yesterday. He had a career
high in fantasy points. You know who didn't win your
week yesterday, Hall Tyreek Hill will probably lose you your
week tonight. Cee do you Lamb? These were all guys
that were expected to do well that you drafted way
ahead in your draft, but just because you luckily drafted
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Hubba Hubbard and because he was there, shot won your week.
Once something becomes a gamble, it's less fun. If I
want to gamble, I'll just pick against the spread or
do this single week fantasy on DraftKings. That's what I
hate about fantasy football. Now, Dan, do you agree with
any of that?
Speaker 6 (19:34):
I agree with with some some parts of it. I
do find Jason's frustrations with fantasy football kind of funny
because fantasy football is the ultimate I think bleep happens,
and it just maybe happens too much to Jason Stewart.
Even with Cuba or Shubba Hubbard former Oklahoma State cowboy.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Hubba sounds fun fun and funny because it's like Chubb
a Hubba. It's like Chubb and Hubb kind of rhyme.
So it's like Chubb a Hubbard Hubbard.
Speaker 9 (20:08):
But Cuba, I was a Tuba.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I benched him in my Guillotine league because I just
still thought that defensive front of the Giants could hold up.
You guys, want to know what I hated this past weekend?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, very much.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
That fourth down holding call called against Utah in that
game against BYU. I uh, not a fan of it.
There was also another play in that sequence where BYU
called time out. Half the players thought that the play
was going on the other half. I guess maybe heard
the time out. Utah did have opportunities to get a
stop on that drive. In fact, once they had an
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opportunity to get an interception, unable to do so. But
to hear how mad Kyle Whittingham was and how mad
their ad Mark Carlin was. Yeah, tough one for the
Utes on Saturday and night. And it made me wonder too, like,
was Whittingham was wit so mad because there's rumors on
how long he's going to be the head coach they've
already named coach and waiting was just maybe his last
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shot at by U. All those things, you wonder if
that could be but a tough way for the Utes
to lose on on Saturday night.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, that was that was That was a tough one.
I look, I disagree with the call greatly. I thought
it was a bad call, especially considering how physical it
had been that game, how physical it's been throughout college
football season. I can't agree with an ad saying the
game was taken.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
From Sure You find forty grand yesterday. Mark Carlin was
for his comments because he was basically saying that that
the Big Twelve and then those officials from the Big
Twelve want to win, yeah, because they were you know, unbeaten.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, yep, yeah, and which which, by the way, like, listen,
you can disagree with the call. Here's the thing, Okay,
I gotta tell you, I met it's a clown look
for an ad. It really is. It's incredibly unprofessional, incredibly
unprofessional to say all you have to say. It was like,
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I think that you're allowed to say. I think that
call costs us the game. It's fourth down, it's a
terrible call. We win the game. Now there's a there's
eighty or so other plays that that had had similar
importance that one. But then to go, hey, we love
being the Big twelve except this, and then insinuate that
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the league and Brett Yormark want BYU to go undefeated,
and the logic behind it is if they go undefeated,
then they lose in the Big Twelve championship game. Does
the league get two teams into the College twelve playoff?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Right?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
That's that's the whole insinuation. But I mean, do we
really think it's that deep? Do you have any idea
the levels of crimes? And if that conspiracy was proven
to be true, I think it's an awful look from
an ad. Really not good, really not good. And forty
dollars is not enough.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
No, it was the highest fine handed out. But you're
also again, you're a new member in that league, like
I mean, you're you're half a season in, You're you're
not even a semester in, and uh, already making enemies?
Not good?
Speaker 7 (23:07):
Is that ad taking a page possibly from Cheryl Reeves comments?
After you know I was stolen from us, it was
still a lot of people with big time authority going
on the record and saying this was stolen. When something
you say something stolen from me, there's a lot of
gravity there, there's a lot of there's a lot of
volume to those kind of comments.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
She wasn't the first to say something was stolen from her,
so exactly.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Some of me, Hey there, Sammy fans behaving badly. And
this has been going on on now for several weeks.
We go back to Georgia on the road at Texas
and I don't even remember what was causing the fans
at Texas to be so you know, outraged about something
that happened on the field. Their team wasn't playing well,
so they start littering the field with you know, plastic bottles.
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Fast forward to this weekend. You know, as a side note,
you could say, look at the miss situation where there
was time still left on the clock. The fans are
rushing the field, and they're a top twenty team. They're
rushing the field a little time still left on the clock.
You act like you've been there before. But you can
see Lane Kiffin mouthwards, Uh, this is bleeping ridiculous, and
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he's talking about his own fans rushing the field with
time left. Just just take get the win over Georgia.
Move on, you're a good team. Act like you've been
there before. But really it was LSU hosting Alabama where
I think there was a face mask call or something. Again,
fans are upset with where their team is playing, and
then some official calls a penalty and people just start
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throwing bottles again onto the field and ESPN's Kirk kurb
Street has had enough. Here are his comments from the game.
Speaker 9 (24:50):
Why does that have to become a thing?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
This year.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Some idiots do this at Texas, and now all of
a sudden we see it popping up in college football.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
Enoughs, enough clowns. Just what are you doing?
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Enough's enough clowns. I love that. I loved it. It
was just it's kind of funny but absolutely true. Just
be better than that. Like your team is losing, there's
nothing you know, start deal with it. Deal be better
at dealing with this. Don't throw objects on the fields. Dangerous.
You were hitting your own cheerleaders. Enough of that.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I hated that. I hate losing. And we lost Friday,
and uh, nothing tastes good, smells good, feels good. And
then I got a cold to boot and yeah, and tomorrow,
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just so people understand, I want to miss tomorrow's show.
We were supposed to fly on these charters to McComb,
Illinois for a game against Western Illinois. Very good club
LEATHERNECKX Leathernecks, right. And the charters that we use are
state owned planes, and we can get bumped off them
for some dignitaries that are more important than us. So
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we have a six and a half hour bus ride
and I'm gonna take this show off. And so it's
one thing to take a six and a half hour
bus ride.
Speaker 10 (26:15):
That's the job.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I'm kind of excited to get a lot of work done.
Probably do it, you know, when we get there, record
a podcast, a ton of prep for this game, prep
for Saturday's game against Providence as well, watch a lot
of video, probably watch the movies. Call everybody I know.
But coming off of a loss where we really didn't
play well on the first half, it's still gross. Like
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it's still and then when you're the coach, you gotta
watch the film. You gotta go over it. You got
to figure out what you did poorly. And I did
several things poorly. I just I don't like it. I
hate it. Matter of fact, it's what I hate from
the weekend. And that's a little love it hate.
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Things we Love, Things we Hate. Rich Hornberger is going
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weekends and he hosts his own show in San Diego.
I do want to talk. It's interesting. We don't need
to turn this into Chargers talk. But does anyone realize
the Chargers are six and three on the year, And again,
(27:45):
I don't think they're a great football team at all.
I don't think anybody would argue with me. I think
six and three on the year. Though, what's that about?
Like this is a winners win And yeah, their schedule
is easier because they you know, fourth place schedule, fourth
place team last year, got it. But man, are the
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Chargers their ability to just be solid win games not
lose games. There's an NFL expression more games are lost
than our won, and the Chargers are a perfect example
of that. A lot of other stuff going on. Man.
You have Deebo Samuel getting into it with his long
snapper and kicker, and then the kicker kicking the game winner.
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You have do you guys see this Friday? Auburn's basketball team,
they're getting ready to go and play on the road
against Houston, and the plane turnaround because two guys got
in a fight that one overshadowed, some accusations going on
in Florida, Lots lots of things, and then of course
you have the college football Saturday. We'll get to the
college fball Saturday. I think in the pod mostly uh,
(28:49):
maybe a little bit in love and hate. Alabama goes
down to beat LSU in Baton Rouge on a Saturday night.
What in one hell of a football win? And we
had our gambler picks? Had your guys gambler picks? Do,
Jase do what your mine was? Old miss over Georgia.
That was I thought that was pretty easy. It turned
out to be pretty easy. I don't remember your guys
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gambler picks? Jase do?
Speaker 8 (29:12):
I think you were singing during mine, so I'm not
surprised that you didn't remember it because you were so
involved in the lyrics yallos. But no, I think I
missed on both of mine, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
What were your picks?
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Great question? I don't know. I remember Kyle Boehler wasn't
walking through the door, so cal was.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Involved, Yes, But I like, how would do this segment
when Doug's coming off of a win? Yes, you know,
like we never do this. Yeah, Like I took the
Bears and they they were embarrassing on Sunday, and so
I lost my gambler pick.
Speaker 9 (29:45):
Dannon won like six straight gambs.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Started out six and oh and I don't think I've
won one since I mentioned it on the show. So,
and I loved Denver this week. By the way, for
some reason, I don't know why. I had been talking
about it for weeks, and I thought if the Chiefs
were to lose that it would be the game. Obviously
they didn't, But I don't know why I took the Bears.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Is a real question, though, real question. Okay, if your team,
let's say you picked the Broncos, and the Broncos for
all intentsive purposes, should have won that game, do we
Does anybody want to dispute that I'm not a Broncos fan.
I'm a Chiefs fan and a Chiefs hater and a
Broncos hater. I'm just a sports guy who watches for
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all intentsive purposes, the Broncos should have won the game.
The chances of a blockfield goal in the NFL are
very remote fewer blockfield goals than missed extra points. Okay,
since they've moved it back, so they should have won
that game. What does it make it a bad pick
if you if you miss on that one.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
No, it doesn't make it a bad pick. It just
shows you again why you wouldn't necessarily why it's not
great business to bet on the NFL. And by the way,
that would be a So you're beginning a lot of value.
Which but if you just righted against the spread, you
were safe and sound, no matter.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
But let's say you picked the Broncos straight up, and
you're like, I think the Broncos, and and you line
out a couple of reasons why you're like, look, Chiefs
probably don't take them particularly seriously, right.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
Yeah, short week for Game of the City, they got
Buffalo next week.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Sure, Sandwich game whatever. And then and then the game
winning field goal gets blocked and they cleared, like, you
don't necessarily get to do a victory lap. And I
told you so, But I do think you actually earned
people's respect. You're like, you know what, you're probably right there.
You know you're right there, Sam, What was your pick?
Speaker 7 (31:35):
My pick was the Mighty Cardinals defeating the Mighty Jets
at home, and uh yeah, they won by twenty five.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So yes, yes, Jets, jetsra j Ets, Mess Mess Mess, Okay, Dan,
I'll promise you this every Monday now, we'll make sure
to recap them, because I have taken some l's on them.
I've done pretty well in these as well, and no problem.
And like, look, you guys would have allowed me to
dodge the fact that my team gave up fifty four
points in the first half on Friday, like that was embarrassing.
(32:07):
I appreciate it. We're not gonna duck and dodge that stuff.
We're gonna learn. We're gonna figure it out. And I
one't thing people don't know is I can't tell if
I broke my foot or not. So we come into
the locker room. We gave up fifty four points in
the first half, twelve layups, twelve laps. They got us
(32:27):
all spread out and twelve laps, and I kicked a
chair because you know, the chair was looking at me sideways.
The chair was running its mouth to me about my
defensive concepts and not knowing what I was doing. So
I kicked that damn chair. And I haven't gotten an
next raid. It's the the area is still swollen and
the toes are black and blue, but I have full
(32:50):
movement on it, just a little bit of pain. So
I think it sounds better if I say I broke
my foot. I don't know if it's actually broken. Here's broke,
So there you go, let's get the Bears. I did
watch some of that. Caleb Williams was sacked nine times,
nine times. Here's Caleb Williams, the number one overall pick
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in this year's draft, talking about the struggles on offense.
Speaker 10 (33:14):
Had about two or three plays and key moments of
situational ball that I didn't click in in my head.
Two was taking two sacks, two or three sacks in
situations where we were able to get a field goal attempt.
And then you know, I put us out a field
goal range, not throwing the ball out of bounds or
over one of my ride receivers heads or dirting and
things like that, and then I think that I think
it starts there.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Here's Matt Eberflus, a coach who's under a ton of pressure,
talking about their struggles. Well, look at everything.
Speaker 11 (33:41):
I think it's looked from everything from the the top
to the bottom and making sure that we're finding the
answers to move the ball on the field, you know,
play better as a football team on offense, defense, and
special teams. As the head football coach, all disappointed, accepting accountability,
you know, for everything, and then really just looking inward
at myself. And that's what I the players to do too,
take a good hard look at everything and like good
(34:03):
compimentary football.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
So, I mean, there's no real answers there provided other
than he did say the buck stops there. They're a mess.
And here's the thing that I actually can relate to.
You know, we losed Oklahoma State on Monday. I made
sure tell my guys don't let Okloma State beats you twice.
And I think as a coaching staff, you're in the
(34:27):
same thing. Like our matchups with Saint Thomas couldn't have
been more different. The two types of games. They're skilled
and smart and spread you out, can all shoot a
fundamentally sound playoff two feet, whereas Oklahoma State is just
they just bully you, They push you around, they get up.
Their offense is that it's still developing. There's nothing really
(34:48):
special about their offense. Then they throw it up and
they go get it. But I do think there's a
hangover effect to a game in which you're like, well,
we were competitive and maybe we should have done better,
and each individual player, each VINDUOL coach starts questioning themselves.
You look at the Chicago Bears, I don't think there's
any question that it's not just that they lost to Washington,
(35:11):
how they lost to Washington. You get in the plane,
you're going back, you know, your pointing fingers at your
defensive back who's celebrating with Bears fans for the last play,
and now you come out and just the bottom fell out.
I do think ebra Flus is gone. Collins had this weird.
I guess he's called it, but he's been on him
(35:34):
all year about the offense when ebra Flus does not
have anything to do with the offense. They replaced the
whole offensive staff, and you have a young quarterback and
young even some of the best Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman.
They've all struggled their first year and looked horrendous. So
I don't know really what to make of Kayleb Williams,
because he did at times look better last week and
(35:55):
looked completely lost this week. I can only tell you
that that was If you were like Dan Byer and
you actually put real money on the Bears, you want
to break your TV yesterday. That was maddening. They were
so dysfunctional offensively, didn't block for him, and he didn't
seem to see where the pass rush's coming. Well that's
rich Orenberger in a moment. Though. First let's get you
(36:16):
back to Dan Byer gets you an update on everything
in sports TV.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
You ed not only drama in Chicago, but also in
New York. Giants coming off of that loss in Germany
to the Carolina Panthers. Giants head coach Brian Daball meeting
with the media today and was asked this question about
his quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah. The question I have is.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
If you're paying the guy whatty million dollars, is it
a waste of money if you bention him.
Speaker 9 (36:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Again, what we'll do is we'll go back, well, we'll
evaluate the tape, and we'll.
Speaker 11 (36:43):
Make the decision that we think is best.
Speaker 9 (36:45):
For our team, Brian Dable.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
They are saying they will evaluate Daniel Jones as the
team's starting quarterback. Jaguars head coach Doug Peterson says they
have no definitive news on the injured shoulder of quarterback
Trevor Lawrence. It did keep him out of yesterday's lost
to the Vikings. Unning back Leonard Fournette meeting with the
Bengals today. Former NFL head coach and current senior advisor
for Wisconsin Jack del Rio stepped down from his position
(37:08):
after he was arrested on ow whe charges last week
in Madison. Del Rio allegedly drove his car into a
yard after hitting a stop sign and breaking a fence
early Friday morning. In Wisconsin. Kings guard Milik Monk out
tonight against the Spurs because of an ankle injury, while
Pistons forward to sar Thompson has been cleared to return
by the NBA after developing blood clots in March. And
(37:29):
in college basketball, didn't see the Phoenix in the top
twenty five, but we do see Kansas sitting there at
numero Uno Alabama comes in at number two, while Yukon
sits at number three. Congrats to Saint John's breaking in
the top twenty five. They're at number twenty two, getting
into the rankings for the first time since twenty nineteen
and then the women's rankings, South Carolina a unanimous number one.
Dug back to you, Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Stuck out Leab show, Fox Sports rader Rich Hornberger join
us in a second honest question, Dan, did you watch
all Sunday Night football or did you click it off
when it felt like it was over?
Speaker 6 (38:03):
It was actually the opposite. My son at a birthday
party that I had to attend after I did my show,
and so I came into the game at halftime.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Okay, speaking of birthdays, Happy birthday to Big Apple Sam
right now in your birthday?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
No, it was like three weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (38:21):
Her birthday is October nineteenth, was it?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Why did pop up on my phone on my calendar?
That's your birthday?
Speaker 7 (38:27):
Today's niece birthday?
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Have a birthday to your niece, betternsday birthday. I woke
up yesterday. Yesterday is my sister's birthday. Happy birthday, Wendy.
She just won a seat on the school board in Lafayette, California.
And then I had it marked to my calendar. Ioway say,
I'm birthday November eleventh. I had no idea.
Speaker 9 (38:49):
No, you said it was Big Apple Sam. So there's
different Sam in play here.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
My bad let's get to Rich Ornberger, who joins us.
You can hear in Fox Sports Radio on weekends. Of course,
you can also hear him on our sister stations and Diego,
but he's co host of Fox Sports Radios. Countdown to
kick Off with Jared Smith and Brian no Airs each
Saturday between nine am and New Eastern time. Listen live
on our Fox Sports Radio affiliates on the iHeartRadio apresented
by Bett MGM. I want to ask you about the Bears,
(39:17):
but I want to ask you from a different perspective.
You know what happens is we talk about how big
a mess the Bears are, Should we spend it any
time at all? Talk about the Patriots, who look they're
not going to make the playoffs. The new coach to
still trying to figure out what they got at quarterback.
But if you look at the last three weeks, granted
non playoff teams beat the Jets, lost the Titans and
(39:39):
OT and then they thoroughly and completely confused a young
quarterback in his offensive line. Is the story solely the
Bears or should any of it be the Patriots?
Speaker 5 (39:50):
I think that you should herald any first year head
coach for any successes because it's tough. The NFL is
really tough. And I know Gerrod Mayo been around this
game for a long time and he was a successful
New England Patriot. But running a team on your own,
having every single answer to every single question run through
your desk, I mean it's a lot of responsibility. And
(40:14):
every single head coach will tell you, you know, the difference
between your first year on the job versus your tenth
year on the job or your twentieth year on the
job vastly different because you need experience to really understand
the whole concept of being a head coach and how
you want things organized. So yeah, I think we should
give some props to Drought Mail and Drake may and
(40:37):
that Patriots team for doing.
Speaker 9 (40:39):
A nice job.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Then you look at the Bears. Look, Matt ever Flewis
is at new on this job, but he might not
be long for this job, Tayler Williams is, So you're
going to give the rookie a bunch of excuses. Here's
the problem I see for the Bears is this offense
lacks creativity or really synchronicity to what he did with
(41:00):
success at the collegiate level and then they're not protecting
him and he's not getting the football out. So there's
a clock that a quarterback needs to have go off
in his head, and that clock is broken with Caleb
Williams right now. And then you look at this offensive
line and he doesn't trust that even the players who
(41:20):
they're responsible for are going to be blocked. So he's
a little bit, a little bit shy in the pocket
and that is just a recipe for disaster. So they
need to resolve those issues really quick otherwise this is
going to be a very long season for Chicago.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Do you think Kayleb Williams has it in him?
Speaker 5 (41:42):
I think Kayleb Williams could could become a starter in
this league. Right now, he's playing like a backup. He's
playing like a like a young guy who's got a
decent amount of potential. But I mean, would you take
Tayler Williams today over Sam Darnold, I wouldn't. Would you
take Tayler Williams today over Joe Flacker, And I'm talking
(42:03):
for one season and one season over only over over
Joe Flacco?
Speaker 9 (42:07):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
I'd take Joe Flacco or Sam Donald. I mean, those
are backup quarterbacks in this league. You know, it doesn't
mean that a backup quarterback can't raise his ability to
the to the starting level. We saw it with Baker Mayfield,
who was a first round draft pick, who was I
mean what two years ago, was a third string quarterback
for the Los Angeles Rams and found his way back
(42:29):
into the starting lineup with the Buccaneers. But Taylor Williams
looks a little bit lost out there and looks like
the game's moving really fast for him. But it doesn't
mean he can't get better. But they've got to make
some changes around that offense and and get things a
little bit more in sync with with him and the playbook,
and then we'll see it flourished. But right now, there's
(42:53):
not a whole lot of good to report on offensively.
In Chicago.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
You mentioned Sam Donald three, he wasn't particularly good. Is
the clock struck midnight on the Sam Donald Cinderella story.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
That's so funny that you make that comparison, because I
was saying this morning, he kind of looks like Sam
Donald's turned into a pumpkin, right, you know, like you know,
the the glass slipper fit for the first six weeks
or so, but then we started seeing some weaknesses in
the armor and it started looking to look like old
Sam Donald. Do I think it's over? I think that
(43:29):
the Vikings have a pretty good chance of continuing to win,
even in spite of Sam Donald, because I have a
lot of belief in Kevin O'Connell and what he can
get out of that position, at that quarterback position. We
saw with Kirk Cousins, who he seems rejuvenated by Kevin
O'Connell when he when he took the job in Minnesota,
(43:50):
and we're seeing it with Sam Donald this year. Now
waiting in the wings is JJ McCarthy. So this is
a one year fix either way. But I think that
if he can and I'm talking about KOC, but the
head coach can tell dam like, hey, listen, we don't
need you to fit the ball in places it's not
supposed to be. We don't need you to take shots
(44:11):
when they're not there. We need you to operate an
offense and be a little bit of a game manager
here and survive this season for us. If you can
get that message Troue without insulting Sam Donald, then I
think this could be a prosperous season for Minnesota. Because
they're still finding some ways to win, but that it's
(44:31):
really going to hinge on whether or not Sam Donald
can be less careless with the football because turnovers and
explosive plays are two of the biggest measuring bars in
terms of having success on the season. If you keep
your turnovers low and you gather a bunch of turnovers,
you know, defensively, if you have a bunch of offensive
explosive plays and you can keep the explosive plays against
(44:54):
you down defensively, then you have all the recipe, all
the makings for a successful season.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
voice of Ridge Ornberger. Of course you can hear them
every morning in San Diego here on weekends here on
Fox Sports Trader. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Trader of the iHeart Radio app. Have you
ever seen anything like what the Lions were able to
pull off last night?
Speaker 5 (45:20):
That was sensational? You want to talk about surviving. It
was probably years ago now when the Lions were on
hard knocks. I can't remember if it was last offseason
or two off seasons ago where Dan Campbell was given
that speech It was like a promo they cut for
the season of Hard Knocks. He was talking about how, hey, listen,
(45:43):
we'll tread water as long as we need to, and
we'll bury their asses. That's what he was saying, and
that's exactly what happened in that game. They were underwater
a couple of times because Jared Goff put them into
some real bad situations. But the ethos of that team
is ever say die, never quit, We will continue coming
(46:03):
after you, regardless of the circumstances. Not a single player
on that football field, regardless of whether or not Jared
Goff was having inarguably his worst day as a Lions quarterback,
gave up on that game. Nobody felt sorry for themselves.
Everyone went out there and did their job and they
rescued the day. They snatched a loss, or I should
(46:25):
say they snatched a victory from the jaws of defeat.
And that was that was something that very few teams
can do because they just don't have the character or
the characters. The Lions have both. They have the players
and they have the will and the persistence to get
a job like that done against a really good football
(46:46):
team in Houston. I have a tremendous amount of respect
for that coach and that quarterback and what they've been
able to do hanging around in ball games defensively and
what they're able to accomplish offensively. So the Detroit Lions,
as far as I'm concerned, they're the best team in
the NFL. They may not have the best record that
belongs to the Chiefs well, I think are just getting
(47:09):
by with a mixture of luck and obviously ability to
make clutch plays in certain moments. But if you're asking
about the best team in the NFL playing right now, yeah,
that title belongs to Detroit.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
In Dallas, what do you do? I mean, you got
Dak got a new contract. You just fire everybody and
start over. What would you do?
Speaker 5 (47:31):
Yeah, it feels like you probably will see that happen.
And I don't know if that report comes out during
the season or afterward, but that's a plan. I mean,
Jerry Jones had to have known when he started this
season with his head coach on a lame duck year
and resigning his top receiver in his top quarterback that
(47:52):
unless this season finished in a Super Bowl berth, that
this was going to be Mike McCarthy's last year as
the football coach in Dallas because of the disappointing finishes
in the postseason. So I really feel strongly about this.
I think that in a lot of ways, why wait, Like,
(48:12):
if this is just a slog toward the inevitable, why
wait on getting ahead of the coaching surf or excuse me,
the coaching surch Like, what are we doing here? You know,
if you're going to fire him anyways, give him the
freedom to reorganize his life, maybe figure out where he
wants to live, you know, in the offseason while he's
(48:34):
waiting for his next job, or what's left of the
regular season before he gets his next job, if he
wants to work. Remember Mike McCarthy took a gap year
before signing with the Dallas Cowboys as a head coach
after he was fired by Green Bay. And then in
terms of the Dallas Cowboys, rip the band aid off,
you know, I mean again, we're talking about something that
is an obvious inevitability. And so it's not even like,
(48:58):
you know, sparing feeling at this point. It's just business like,
this is the business of wins and losses, and right
now we're talking about what a three win football team
that has lost their starting quarterback for the year, and
you have a head coach who was on the final
year of his contract. Anyway, it would be much more
surprising if the Dallas Cowboys announced that they were extending
(49:20):
Mike McCarthy than it would be if they announced today
that they're letting him go. So why not just let
him go and let's get on the path to healing
this gushing wound.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
I'm with you, rich Ornberger. Of course you can hear
him mornings in San Diego and you can hear him.
He's a former NFL lineman, co host of Fox Sport
Radios Weekends, co hosts Fox Sports Tradiers Countdown to kick
Off with Jared Smith and Brian know It airs each
Saturday between nine am and New Eastern Time. Listen live
on any of our Fox Sports Tradio phil It's the
iHeartRadio app presented by bet MGM. Rich are the best. Obviously,
(49:52):
plenty of AMMO for your show tomorrow. Thanks so much
for joining us.
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Doug Gottlieb
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