November 12, 2024 • 46 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Dan Beyer and Aaron Torres in for Doug as they talk about the Miami Dolphins and how Tua Tagovailoa's health dominates your thoughts and your viewing of that team this season.
Dan gives his Beyer's Remorse for the week. Dan shows off his wife's sports knowledge in a feature called "Lisa's Lineup".
Dan and Aaron discuss the most interesting aspects of the college football playoff.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's a two for Tuesday, and it's kind of a
tu of Tuesday. Aaron Torres after the Dolphins get a
big win against the Rams on Monday Night Football. But
we're not talking about Kyron Williams not scoring. We're not
talking about Tyreek Hill basically being kept in check. We
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be the obvious is Doug Gottlieb isn't here. Aaron Torres
is our resident college basketball expert. Green Bay Phoenix are
off to an zero to two start. UG right now
is probably sitting in the front seat of a bus,
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two hours into a six and a half hour bus
ride down to Western Illinois for a game tomorrow. What's
the college basketball world saying about the green Bay Phoenix.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You know, it's amazing. Cooper Flag's debut. Mainstream debut is
tonight Duke versus Kentucky. But yeah, no, everybody's talking about
about Green Bay and all seriousness. Got to watch a
little bit of the debut against Oklahoma State. I know
you were there, I know Jay Stu was there, and
you know Doug had the guys fighting. So I can't
wait to keep watching this journey that he is on
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with that team, in that program. And you know, I've
always respected Doug's basketball knowledge. I honestly can't wait to
keep watching because I know the team's going to get
better of the course of this season.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And fingers crossed. Win number one comes tomorrow night. That's
for another day, maybe tomorrow when Doug is back in
on this program. But right now we are talking about
the National Football League and a week ago Monday, when
Jason and I were at Gallagh or Eyebo Arena for
Doug's debut, we were invested, we were cheering for the Phoenix.
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When Green Bay was up seven early, we were loving it.
When they were in the game at halftime, we were
loving it. And then the second half just wasn't meant
to be. Cowboys end up pulling away, but we were invested.
I am no longer invested into a tongue of ila And.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
You want to know why.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It's because if he doesn't care, then I can't care.
And I'm not talking about touchdown passes to Tyreek Hill.
I'm not talking about touchdown passes to Jalen Waddle. I'm
talking about his health. And I think in last night's
game for the Rams who are trying to stay in
the thick of it in the NFC West and the Dolphins,
as crazy as it sounds, entering last night, where a
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two win team still kind of had some playoff hopes,
the playoff picker the AFC is so awful, they're not
necessarily out of it. I think the biggest draw last
night was were we going to see a train wreck
or a car crash with to a tongue of iloa
and he was almost the cause of it. I am done.
I can't worry about to his health. If who is
not gonna worry about to his health.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, I'll say this, and you know, first of all,
I love you coming in hot off the top here.
I think it's okay for you to say if he's
not worried, I'm not worried.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I don't think it's that he's not worried.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I think it's that he has played football probably since
he was four or five, six years old.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
It's all he knows. He's clearly very good at it.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
He clearly obviously goes out saying has a passion for
it and he's not ready to give it up. And
I go back to the days following the most recent
concussion and all the discourse, and I turned on some
of the shows and there were some people that were
very adamant he needs to retire. There were former players
saying if he wants to play, then he should play.
So I don't think it's that he doesn't care. But
I also think at this point, if anything happens, you know,
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he know.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
It's it's like anything else.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
It's like smoking a cigarette, it's like eating fast food, drinking,
So you know the consequences of your behaviors, and it's
up to you whether you deem you know the risk
isn't the right word, but the decision to make any decision,
you know the risk, you know the consequences, and if
you're willing to do it, then you're willing to do it.
What I would also counter by saying is this, I
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do give him a little bit of credit from this
perspective of and I didn't doubt that he would.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
But if you're gonna do it, you got to go
all in.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
And you mentioned the idea of like, well, you know
he's you know, he's flying around and running for first
downs and jumping a you know, diving for the first
down marker head first. It's like but if he wasn't
then we would be probably even more critical, saying, dude,
if you're gonna do this, you gotta do it one
hundred percent. So I don't love it like everybody else.
I know, I speak for America when I say that
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we're all praying nothing major happens on the field. I
wouldn't say he doesn't care. But I think your point
about the idea of you shouldn't like I agree that
you shouldn't care, you shouldn't feel guilty watching, But I
don't think that means that Tua doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It's funny because I'm in a group text with Jason Stewart, Iowa,
Sam is in a group text with us. There's also
one with me and Jason and John Ramos. John, Hey,
there's a variety. I'm sure that you're in a bunch
that I'm not in. Matzi's probably in all of them,
just to be honest. But with Jason last night, as
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soon as Tua through that interception, as soon as he
threw the interception, I didn't realize it at first, but
Jason's like, what the heck is to a doing? And
so I went back and I rewound it, and I'm like, yeah,
that's that's exactly it. I was in the other room
with the the interception happened, and it's Tua trying to
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make a tackle, going headfirst on an interception, and I
get the running for a first down and scrambling. But
the way that he got hurt in week two was
he didn't know how to slide, didn't know when to slide,
didn't know when to give himself up. And you can't
sit there and just throw you know, everything out and
say I'm gonna be Tua. Because the Dolphins and tested
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in you, and that is a perfect opportunity for to it.
I'm not saying that he just had to stand there
and not make a tackle. What you don't do is
go head first and trying to possibly tackle a guy
at his knees, where you get a kneed to the
helmet or it even look like he kind of got
a neck and a neat to his neck that could
cause another concussion. That whole play there, to me, was
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what is representative of I understand what you're saying. With
first downs and slides and all that, that play doesn't
have to happen. He doesn't have to throw himself in
front of a defender after an interception. I think there's
a natural instinct of quarterbacks to do that to try
to make up for the wrong that they just did.
But that's what he has to correct, and if he
can't correct it, then I can't care about it. And honestly,
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as they laid out where the Dolphins were in the
playoff picture and where the Rams were in the NFC,
there was very few reasons for me to watch that
game aside from let me see how Tua is doing.
And then the inevitable comes in of all right, it
is Tua gonna get knocked out again? And I just
I can't care anymore because they can't sit there and
watch every drop back and if he gets sacked, to
see what his head is going to do and see
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what's coming from it. If he's not gonna worry about it,
I'm not gonna worry about it.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Well, it's interesting a couple of things.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
One, you know, I think there's probably a pretty compelling
argument that no quarterback or at least not you know,
I'm not talking about Tyson Badget here, you know, Cooper Rush,
but I mean the marquee quarterbacks, the Jaydon Daniels, the
Joe Burrows, the Lamar Jackson's, the Tuas, they shouldn't be
trying to make a tackle on that play anyway. But
what I would also say is I do agree, and
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I noticed this the first game back was that and
I think they played Arizona that game, and you know
it was a close game whatever obviously last week with Buffalo,
but I just bring it up because it I think
it was the Arizona game, but it might have been
Buffalo last week where there was a play where it
was kind of like a called QB draw where he
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dropped back and then he ran and you could even
almost hear whoever was on the call, and it could
have been jim Nantz, could have been whoever, Like here
we go, and it's like there was even an unease
in the booth of like, oh, are we going to
see something that we don't want to see here? So
I hate to say it, but listen until further notice.
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And I think for the foreseeable future, I think that
is going to be a part of every game that
Miami plays, every physical play, whether it's whether it's a
tackle after an interception, whether it's a run for a
first down, whether it's a hard hit, whether he's getting
sacked with he's whatever.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
And maybe we get to a point like we did.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Last year where a long enough time, you know, kind
of goes by where it where nothing happens, where we
kind of forget about it. But I still think for
the foreseeable future, where we're in that hoping that we
don't see the worst, but almost expecting it anytime there's
a physical play involving too.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I actually think it's the number one draw of the Dolphins.
As sick as that sounds, it sounds so morbid and sick.
But it's true you're wondering what is going to happen here?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
What too?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I had to say after the game about his attempted
tackle following that interception, I feel good.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Everything's good. I went up to that dude that intercepted
me and asked them, like, bro, you couldn't just like
ran out of.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Bound or like cut back.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
It's like you see me and I seeing you, like
you wanted to just run me over. He told me
after the game. There was like he's like there's no
room there, like there was nowhere else to go. So,
you know, he he got to do what he got
to do to help his team win games. And I wasn't.
I wasn't planning on using my head to go ahead.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I guess it's like kind of did kick like the
side of your head?
Speaker 5 (09:35):
You know, you never fell in the Elfis front now.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
I didn't feel feel any of that. That was pretty
bad tackling for him, though, that was pretty terrible.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Let me say this too, and some it was a
former player on one of the talk shows said, and
I would give the person credit if I remember who
it was.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
But Tua is not.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Only putting us in a weird spot as fans, just
we're watching and we don't want to see, but we're
kind of curious about, you know else he's putting in
a really bad spot. Mike McDaniel, Like, think about does
Mike McDaniel have to alter I mean, you always, as
as a coach, you always want to protect your quarterback.
We get that, but it's like, is Mike McDaniel doing
something different?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Is there?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And I don't know, I'm not a scheme expert whatever,
but you do wonder those short yardages where maybe a
year ago would have been the toush push, you know,
the rollouts where there's the option for.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Him to run.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Whatever the scenario is. It is kind of a weird
deal for Mike McDaniel's. Well, again, I understand a play
caller always has to protect the quarterback, but he's obviously
heightened with two of them.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
But you know this as well, and I completely understand
what you're saying with Mike McDon Mike McDaniel is that Tua.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Never was a runner.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
No, no, no, And so the problem is is that
even in the limited space where he could be hit. Now,
I understand if you get ragged all on a sack
that could happen. Everybody's control, ye, but it was the
slide or the lock thereof in Week two against Buffalo
that got him in that situation. There have been other
cases where he has put his body at harm for
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some reason. It's just not registering anymore. And so here
he's talking about a scenario on an interception. He's going
to throw interceptions. That is a given. Every quarterback, no
matter how great you are, is going to throw an interception.
So you know what's going to happen. You have to
be smart on how you respond to that. And I
think Mike McDaniel would trade having Tua the rest of
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the regular season as opposed to him making a tackle
on that interception. And that's where Tua needs to be
smart about it. And he's not being smart about it
or he doesn't care about it, so I can't care
about it. The most damning thing with Tua right now,
and I surely mean this. He lines up in the
backfield with Devon ah Chan and ah Chan has the
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Guardian cap on in Tua dozen and Tua says that
his helmet is set, you know, specific for concussions. I
would wear a thing the size of the moon on
my helmet if I went what through Tua went through.
But there's the optics of it. You have a running
back who's dealt with similar stuff that it appears is
taking the utmost of precautions for his health. Intua is not,
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and that is that is an optics issue as well,
And that's where I just have the problem with it again.
Dolphins Rams last night should have been how are these
two offenses going to go up against each other? Jalen
Ramsey faces his old team, you know, teams that are
trying to fight for the playoffs, And instead, for me,
it turned into, all right, what is Tua going to
do in this game that he could possibly get injured?
(12:30):
Now I have to watch out for. I mean a
Jason Stewart you immediately text, is that the first thing
that you watched or you looked for on that interception return?
Speaker 7 (12:38):
I look forward to the entire game, almost every play
that if you really look at a couple of those plays,
especially in the first half, there was a couple where
he could have run for a first down or something,
and he chose to pass, and you inevitably just think
there's a reason why he chose not to run there.
So it's always on my mind when I watch him,
and it goes back to kind of my original time
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on this whole thing. We're allowing to it to make
decisions about his own health concerning his brain, and I
don't know how smart that is. After that hit. The
reason why I texted you in that in the group
text was there wasn't any attention on the sideline to it.
The broadcast picked it up. We certainly picked it up,
but nobody's seeming We went up to him, and I'm thinking,
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what's going on here. He's not going to go to it.
He's not going to go to the trainer. We can't
put it in his hands to take care of his
own health. So there's all these questions that are in
my mind when I'm watching him play.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And that's the interesting take on it is. Honestly, when
Tua comes off the field, every time, you almost feel
that there should be a doctor there. You got everything, good, Okay, cool,
considering what he's been through in a scenario like that
where we want to think that the NFL is being
super safe, even though to immediately you know, stood up
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showed no ill effects of a possible concussion or strike
to the head. I think Jason, your point is is
it was just thought of, okay, all is good here,
We don't have to worry about it when we should
be checking in with two almost on every possession to
make sure that he's okay.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, I mean then I do think that puts if
you're if a doctor is coming up to him every
single possession. I know that was a little bit you know,
extreme or what sure, but.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
If you're heading off for three times, you're not gonna
want to go up to him. But the point is
is that in a spot where he actually was hitting
the head, there was no follow up by anybody on
the sideline, Stephen, you know, to So if the NFL
isn't gonna worry about it, and two is not gonna
worry about it, then guess what. I guess I'm not
gonna worry about it because it's a waste of my
time to do.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
So.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, I mean, all I would really add is what
I've said is that if he's gonna be out there,
he's got to, you know, feel like he is contributing
at one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Yeah. I don't know what else to do.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Watch the Dolphins because of Tyreek hil or do you
watch the Dolphins because of their offense, or are you
gonna watch the Dolphins because the possible.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Well, I think to Jay Stew's point, even if you're
a Dolphins fan, even if you're a football fan. You know,
I told you this the other day, but I was
privileged to host Red Zone Radio for you when you
were in Stillwater, and one of my big takeaways was
the discourse around Tua is so big about the injury,
you forget how good of a quarterback he is. So
the only point that I would make is that he
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could throw. He could have the seventy point game again
where he throws for six hundred yards or whatever, and
that would still be part of the conversation.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
There's no I do agree, there is.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
No way right now, in this moment to watch the
Dolphins with it, with it not being no pun intended
at the forefront of your mind.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
He's just I think he's just got to be better
in these certain situations. I agree with that that's exactly
what he has to do.
Speaker 8 (15:43):
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Speaker 2 (15:52):
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Dan Bayer sitting in for it Doug today.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
It's been a fun Tuesday. Erin and enjoined it.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I appreciate you guys having me. You know, I know
Doug obviously. You know, as you said, he was unavailable,
so I'm always a pleasure to being with you guys.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
He's on a bus on his way to Western Illinois,
where the Green Bay Phoenix will be playing tomorrow. I'm
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not for me to get a little something off my chest.
Aarrein Torres.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
Some have remorse.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I engage come on.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
But there's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I think this is the second time this has happened.
This season where I had a gambler pick that failed.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
But there was.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Another game on the slates, and I have all the
games to pick from NBA, college basketball, college football, in
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I could pick all.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Of them, and I've been saying for weeks and I
thought Denver could top Kansas City. I just felt it
was such a trap game for the Chiefs, and it
almost happened. If it wasn't for the blockfield goal at
the gun eron, I would have been right on my
broncost prediction. The only problem with it. For our Gambler
segment that we do every Friday, I picked the Bears
for some stupid reason.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Actually I gave a reason why, which was a bad reason.
So if you were any handicapper like Jared Smith who
joins the show every single week, you would be boy Dan.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
That was a pretty stupid pick.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
But I made it anyway, and I could have got
my gambler right if I just stuck with believing in
the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
They didn't have to win.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
They just had to cover the eight and a half
or whatever the point spread was, and they did that
by a mile by only losing by two even though
they lost on the blocked field.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Goal, I still would have won on the pick.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I believed in Denver for all these weeks, and when
time came to put my money on the line, I
spaced out and didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
And he took the Bears instead. That's the word.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
God, they were never in the game, like there was
yeah where you're like, oh, they've got an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yeah, this could be. They were never in a nineteen
to three game.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
I know it's this is Buyer's remorse, not Torres remorse.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
But I had a similar situation where I saw the
over under point total in the Alabama LSU game and
instantaneously I was like, there's no way that over is hitting.
Then I look at the stats, I think about it
throughout the week. I took the over and within one possession,
I was like, LS, you can't look on l them.
They just talked and they did it, and they did it.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I wanted to tweet nuss Meyer's gonna show who the
top quarterback in this game?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Was good thing? I didn't? Good thing I did not? Well?
Speaker 5 (18:39):
He did show it. I mean he just didn't show
that he was the top. He made it very clear
very very good. Point out.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
His penalty is coaching us the rest of the season.
That's that's that's an old joke. May not may not
match up to you know how I met your Soto,
But still all right, he's Aeron Torres.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I'm Dann bayer Mazi.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Did you hear that the NFL or the NL and
al MVP finalists were announced yesterday?
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yes, yes he did.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Ryan Berschinger, resident producer here on Fox Sports Radio, baseball
expert Jason Stewart as well. So three finalists in the
American League and National League announced. For the National League,
Shoheo Tani appears to be the favorite, but Francisco Lindora
and katl Marte of the Arizona Diamondbacks also finalists. Any
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problems burst with those guys being finalists for the National
League honor?
Speaker 9 (19:34):
No, No, Otani and Lindor were the easy choices there. Sure,
let's throwkaateel Marte into the into the bunch. You can
get some third place.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's like that herb right that you season and just
season a little like like who deserves it? Like they're
gonna finish third, they're gonna get the bronze. But yeah,
all right. So Marte, by the way, voting is already done,
so they know the top three, and that's that's actually
how it's done. It's not that they're doing them a favor,
that they know who the top three are and those
are the three finalists. As for the American League, Bobby
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Wit Junior and then a pair of Yankees in Juan
Soto and Aaron Judge. Are we right on those as well?
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (20:13):
Yeah, Judge should run away with it. But unfortunately for
Bobby Wit. Bobby Witt had an incredible season. He would
easily win MVP in most seasons, but Judge just had
a phenomenal year.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Aaron Torres and I. We love college football, we love
the NFL. We love Aaron obviously, he's passion college hoops,
the whole deal. Baseball not my biggest thing, I would say,
maybe not your biggest thing. Now we need bersh and
Monzi and Jason Stewart here.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Yeah, I had.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I was not familiar with Kotel Marte's game before this segment. Yeah,
vote that Shack. Mean, it's a perfect lead into what
we're gonna get to. Jason Stewart, do you agree with
Ryan Berschinger's award winners. Are you happy with the whole process?
Speaker 7 (20:52):
No, I'm not happy.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
So think so.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Major League Baseball drops the ball in many aspects of
their pr and trying to outreach to younger audiences and
try to be hip the NFL. We've scrutinized the way
they do their award show on the Thursday night before
the Friday, when we're on Radio Row packed with guests
and stuff. MLB needs to do an award show on
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the Monday after the season and just like completely take
advantage of all the eyes and the attention right before
the playoffs start and do the award show. To have
it done in late November makes no sense. Nobody's thinking
baseball or talking about baseball, especially in our space. It's
just another example of Major League Baseball shooting themselves in
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the foot when it comes to being relevant.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
You mean, people aren't gonna get excited at six o'clock
Eastern Time on a Wednesday, a week before Thanksgiving that
someone's gonna win the Cy Young Award or the al
MVP on a Thursday a week out from Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Un let's they tell us where Juan Soto's going.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Now, You're absolutely right, and I think it is an
opportunity for baseball. If they were to put it within
this window, I guess of relevance, it would resonate a
lot more. I saw a breakdown of who won the
nl MVP last year and the year before, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
I forgot I forgot about that. But we could do
that in the National Football League and I think that's
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a problem, but it also allows us to, I don't know,
have some content here because who better to judge the
common person or when it comes to the common sports fan,
or maybe just the common person, as it is not me,
not Aaron Torres, not Ryan Bershing or Jason Stewart, Monzie
Belanos or Iowa Sam. But my wife Lisa. I figured
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I would put her to the test and how well
she knew the finalist for the American League and National
League Most Valuable Player. So what I did Aaron was
last night and I left it for so when she
got up this morning she saw it. I left her
a sheet and I said, here are six names, and
I did not provide the first names. It was blank Tani,
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Blank Lindoor, Blank Marte, blank Judge, Blank Soto, blank Witt Junior.
And I put the six names to the right. It
wasn't like she had to come up with them out
of thin air. I figured that would be much too difficult.
Match up, match up the name. See how well. To
Jason's point, if you're not cashing in, my wife was
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all in on the Dodgers. We were watching all the games.
She was telling me to turn on the Dodger game.
So let's see how well she knew. The finalists for
the American League and National League Most Valuable Player awards
according to my wife Lisa.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Your nominees in the National League.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Dodgers designated hitter according to my wife shoe Hey Otani,
all right, your second nominee for National League Most Valuable
Player Met's second baseman Aaron Lindoor Like Aaron Lindore according
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to my wife Lisa. And your final finalists for National
League Most Valuable Player second basement for the Arizona Diamondbacks
Francisco Martee.
Speaker 9 (24:17):
I get it, though, Francisco Marte, you think Latin Latin,
you know what.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
I get what she was doing.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
That's what she was going for.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, Try trying to match it up.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Let's see if you can explain the American League Manzi
manning the outfield for the New York Yankees, Bobby Judge.
Bobby Judge. According to my wife Lisa, what's the hill?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I was just thinking care.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Also taking part of the Yankees outfield Juan Soto and
rounding out our finalists Royal shortstop to tell what Junior?
That according to my wife Lisa and knowing sports, Oh.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, six, that's that's pretty good batting average, right, three
point three? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Do you think if Aaron Judge had been better in
the World Series she would have gotten?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Now, Hi, I knew she would get a Tani. I
knew that that was gonna be the one. I thought
Aaron Judge was going to be the other one that
she would get. And then I got the list and
I read him in the order, and I saw Aaron
Lindor and I'm.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Like, yes, yes, Thank.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Goodness, because it also sets off a domino effect of
there's other you know, there's other matchup.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
That's why would you try to predict an NFL draft.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
If you get one pick wrong, you likely have also
set off three other picks that have been wrong. But so, yeah,
she hit three thirty three in that a l n
NL MVP list.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
It seems like she she did know Wan Soto from
the World Series, but then realized she had left herself
with Cato.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
That's what I was thinking, is like, if she knew
Wan Soda for the World Series, you would have thought
she knew Aaron Judge. But Aaron Judge was so bad
in the World Series until the last couple of games,
but then he had to drop five ball whatever that is.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Yeah, he's no Bobby Judge, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Maybe she thought it was Arson. She's like, huh, you
should Arson Judge.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
But you know what, Dan, Yes, in an indirect way,
your wife just proved me right, Yes, exactly me right. Well, okay,
give me a second on this.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
Three three months ago, something that we discussed quin Viral.
Remember you and Moncey were hosting, and I brought up
the fact that Kaitlin Clark was more famous than Aaron Judge,
and you weren't having it right.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
You weren't have act.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Yes, I think if you put Caitlin Clark's name on there,
in some meshed way, Lisa would have gotten it right,
and she did not get Aaron Judge right. So, in
an indirect way, Lisa three months later proved me right
in the viral discussion that we had.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
This on the podcast. Is there a way to do it?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I was even even Carrie Rhodes that day was a
Yankees fans like, yeah, Kaitlyn Clark's more popular.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
I'm like, get out of here. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
We talked about it for the whole week.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
We had a debate the department, you know, loves to
steal topics, even saved it for his show with Mancy
on Saturday.
Speaker 9 (27:16):
We did.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
We had a debate on our show, Kaitlyn Clark is
she the most famous under twenty five basketball player in
the world. This was about four or five months ago.
Her or Anthony Edwards at like the peak of Anthony
Edwards might be the new Michael Jordan And I was like,
I still think it's Kaitlyn Clark.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah, she would know Kitlyn Clark for sure.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
But would you know Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
She'd think it's the actor. That's who she would think
it was Edward. Anthony.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
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Did you know all the names? We would you have
gone six for six?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yeah? Yeah, you know what, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I just confused Starling Marte with two Martes.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I'm like, there's two Martes and yeah, yeah, that's little
I know.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
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Find it on YouTube, Apple Podcast, Spotify, The Sick Podcast,
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how well my wife knows sports. Oh, that's all right,
So that's coming up in thirty minutes. I don't think
you're gonna want to miss it. But before that, we
got a college football playoff to talk about, because tonight
another set of rankings comes out as we find out
who would fill out the field of twelve once these rankings.
And it is crazy now that we've got these rankings
(29:25):
coming out, Aaron, because the rankings aren't necessarily telling us
who the twelve teams are. Yes, we have to kind
of figure it out for ourselves when we develop our brackets.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Well, that's my first beef, and we'll get into the
big picture ramifications of what we'll learn tonight. And then
just in general, can you just give us the teams
in order of what they would be on the final
day of the season selection Sunday. And I've said this
on all my platforms, including my show on Saturday Nights.
Is I think we just have to change the rankings
from a ranking to bracketology, because that's what it is is.
(29:56):
You know, BYU can't be ninth in the rankings, but
they would get that automatic first round by as a
Big twelve champion as the four seed, So just put
them in as the four seat. It's like, that's that's
a small picture issue that is very easy to fix.
And I think as ESPN presents these rankings and you
know whatever, just make it practalogy. Just give us the
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bracket as it would stand if the season ended today.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Which by the way, as Aaron is talking about, there
is an actual grid of one to sixty eight for
those that may not be familiar with the NCAA tournament,
But the bracket doesn't fall into place one to sixty
eight because of a lot of different things. That is
essentially what's going on here. They are giving us there
one to sixty eight, but as you're saying, you got
(30:40):
to present it in bracket form so we actually know
what we could see. Telling me that to your point,
BYU is ninth does not state the fact of how
important it is that BYU is the first Big twelve
team in that ranking. Whereas Georgia being third corre on
the screen or Ohio State being second doesn't necessarily show
where they would fall then in that bracket.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, and I think everybody listening knows. But Oregon and
Ohio State we talked, are they the two best teams
in college football? They could be ranked one and two.
Only one of them will get the first round by
as a as a conference champion, So.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
There is excitement. There's more rankings coming out later tonight.
But you're a huge college football guy. Sure, As he said,
you and Jason Martin Saturday nights here recapping all of
the day's action. I've it's actually one of the great
things with my workload here at Fox Sports Radio. My
day off is Saturday, Sure, and so I get an
(31:34):
opportunity to just enjoy college football like consuming as a fan,
like I did for so many years, and it's been
a lot of fun. So I consider myself a college
football fan as well. I look forward to the rankings
and then I'll sort everything out and I'll look at
the bracket like I did every day last week and
be like, oh, this is interesting. That's interesting. You're saying
(31:54):
that there's some drawbacks to what we're getting or maybe
some stuff that I don't want to say, unintend the
consequences is that maybe a better first.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
That's the perfect verbiage that I would use. Yes, there's
a couple of things that I think stand out is
and you know, listen, this is new for all of us,
so none of us knew coming in, but I think
we all kind of thought, hey, you know, some of
years we can't even really find four teams that are worthy.
So if you get to twelve, there's not gonna be
any scenario where anybody can complain about thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, whatever.
(32:25):
And that's just not gonna be the case. Now, some
of it, is it the committee's fault, isn't whatever. But
the one thing I keep harping on with Jason Martin
imbalanced schedules, because this is the unattended consequence is all
of these conferences are so big now and there are
so many teams that there's no way for all of
the best teams to play each other. And you put it,
(32:46):
you know, you put it on a schedule, and you
have no idea who's going to be good and this
and that. But it's like, you know, you look at uh,
let's look at the Big Ten. As a perfect example,
Ohio State, you could criticize any Ryan Day whatever They're
gonna have to play Oregon, Penn State, and Indiana, who
are right now the three best teams outside of Ohio State, Iowa,
Ohio State plays all three. None of the other three
(33:08):
play each other. Like that's kind of crazy to think about.
By the way, the ACC right now SMU of all
schools is alone in first place undefeated. Tied for second
place with one loss are Miami and Clemson. None of
those three teams play each other. BYU, Colorado, Iowa State
in the Big twelve, none of those teams play each other.
And so that's the first part is you just look
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at it big picture. I think it's gonna be really
hard on selection Sunday, where you take, say, in the SEC,
you take a Georgia that had to play at Ole Miss,
at Texas, at at Alabama versus a team like Old
Miss who missed Alabama, who missed Tennessee, who missed Texas
on the schedule. And I know, in that exact example
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you have the head to head game. But I just
think it's going to make things so much more complicated
than people realize. Including the way a very likely scenario
where the SEC is just so jumbled at the top,
which we can get into in a second, but I
want your thoughts away.
Speaker 9 (34:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
No, it flies in the face of what we're used
to in college football. And when you had the expansion
of teams, I remember there was a conversation going on
on would the SEC break into four different pots? And
instead we did the opposite and said let's just throw
everybody in together. And the Big Ten did the same,
and there's no there's no matchups that you could get
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from two separate divisions back then, even though it was
a year ago. What you were trying to do is
you were trying to put your best foot forward. You
were trying to put your best team there. So if
you could get your top two divisional teams, and even
if the top two teams in the league were in
the same division, like maybe a Michigan and Ohio State,
one of those was gonna win out over the others,
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so then they would have an opportunity to then beat
the opponent from the West and you would move on,
which happened quite a bit in the Big Ten at
the time, but it worked out well for them that
their best foot was put forward. Now with so much
any spots, Aaron, it's not about putting your best foot forward.
It's about trying to get as many teams in as
you can. And I actually think that to your point,
(35:10):
you're absolutely correct, but I almost think that they want
it this way. Like if you're the SEC and you're
the Big ten, just look at the rankings, look at
where the ACC and the Big twelve are. And it's
so funny because in the summer when there was talk
of expanding the fourteen schools, yeah, there was a pushback
of getting the SEC in the Big ten buys in
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those rounds. And I actually think that you and I
may have had this discussion of you have to take
what you can get if you're the ACC or the
Big twelve, because right now we're seeing a bracket that
doesn't include any of those schools outside of the automatic
buys that they get for winning their conference. And so
with all that being said, you find it a problem.
(35:52):
I think it's exactly what Tony Pettiti and Greg Sank
would want. Is this conversation of all, right, yeah, maybe
you know Georgia doesn't play all of these teams or whatever,
but that's fine because in the end of the day,
that committee's going to have to make a decision, and
we'll see if they'll put say, Pitt ahead of Georgia
in that scenario. There's like no way that those Commence
commissioners think that would happen.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
But I think it all sounds great on paper until
you get to a scenario where, let's say, let me
give you a very simple scenario. Georgia beats Tennessee this weekend.
Georgia is an eleven point favorite, right, so that seems
very feasible that it could happen, that it probably will happen.
So Georgia now, well, could finish the season ten and two.
They have a loss to Alabama. Alabama, there are only
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two sc there are only two SEC games are against Oklahoma
and Vandy. We think they're gonna win out Alabama finishes
ten and two. Well, they have the head to head
and win over Georgia, but they lost to Tennessee, and
then Tennessee of course, could finish ten and two with
the win over Bama the loss to Georgia, and so yeah,
it sounds good, and yes, you may get more bids
than anticipated because the ACC and big twelve don't have
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that competition, but it is already setting up.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
I'm already seeing.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
It on social media where it's like, you know, I
saw something yesterday. I don't want to criticize the writer
because I don't even think he really thought about it,
but he had a bracket where Alabama was in the
playoff and Tennessee was out, and I saw Tennessee fans
freaking out saying, how can you leave us out with
the head to head win, And of course his argument
was XYZ whatever. I'm not gonna defend or argue whatever.
(37:25):
The point I'm trying to make is, yeah, it sounds good,
you might get that fourth bid as opposed to the
third bid, but especially in the SEC, teams are gonna
get left out. And I think, what's really gonna happen? Dan,
and I think we're already seeing this as well. We
thought the big brand bias was dead because you know
that fourteen playoff. There was always the year where Alabama
didn't win the SEC or Ohio State didn't win the
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Big Ten and did they really deserve to get in?
But they got in anyway, And there was also a conversation,
now it's gonna be extrapolated, because there is once you
get past those conference champions, so much just debate and
so the.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
School and I'm already seeing Dan hasn't even lost.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
A game yet, the Indiana Hoosiers, Well, why if they
lose to Ohio State, what's their record gonna look like?
Speaker 5 (38:08):
They'll be eleven and one? What will be their best win?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Dah da da da dah this and that, And it's like, so, yeah,
like the Big Ten and SEC are still in position
to they have the advantageous pathway. But I also still
don't think it's gonna preclude a lot of debate, a
lot of argument teams that believe they should be in
getting in, and I think we're headed towards those very annoying,
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you know, Saturday nights, Sunday morning conversations about well this
team only got in because of the brand bias and
that team got left out.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
You know, da da da dah so.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
But that no, that name that that is an argument,
that is one that previously wasn't there again because of
the four teams, it was still kind of there even
in the Baylor TCU Ohio State from the first ever
college football ranking, in the first ever playoff that we had.
There was the thought that Ohio State got in because
of the bigger brand name than be Why than Baylor
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or TCU. That has always been there. But I don't
know how you can't look back at college football and say, yeah,
there is a jumbled mess around the ten eleven, twelve,
thirteen rankings because there always has been, Like there's to
decipher who is who is really the better ten and
two team. It doesn't matter if it's in the SEC.
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If you were separated in the conference in the past,
you would have a difficulty in trying to figure out,
all right, who is really eleven and who is twelve?
Now that's the cutoff point. And the thing that we
would say in saying we would want a playoff is
I would feel much better leaving out the twelfth best
team of the thirteenth best team than I would leaving
the fifth best team.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
I think we thought we were going to think that.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
But let's use an example. Ole Mis gets left out
over a Georgia team that they beat head to head.
That's a very because remember, if Georgia beats Tennessee, they
have a win over Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
That have a win over text.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
I get it, Hey, Listen. I'm not an Ole missfan.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
I don't really care, but I just think that we
all thought the whole art because listen, you're right, you
know what an Emmy sport, once you get past number one,
number two, number three, whatever, they're all inherently flawed teams.
We all know there's a difference between the ninth best
team in the NFL and the best team in the NFL.
But I do think there was kind of this belief that, like, well,
(40:17):
I mean, if you get left out at number thirteen,
there's really not an argument that you should have been in.
And it's like, okay, Tell that to an Indiana fan
that finishes eleven and one with Roy lost to Ohio State.
Tell that to an old misfan that beat Georgia head
to head and sees Georgia get in. Tell that to
a Tennessee fan that beat Alabama and sees Alabama get in. So,
I listen, you're right, by the way, we could have
a thirty two team playoff.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Do it with basketball. We get to sixty eight teams
and we're still arguing about sixty nine.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
You, Mandy get in and out South Carolina.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
I mean, this is I was fired up about Saint
John's last year. But you know, like so there's always
gonna be argument.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
But I do think I really believe, and maybe you
just feel differently, and that's totally fine. I think we
all thought, well, once you get to thirteen, I mean,
nobody's gonna really have that strong of an argument, and
I think teams will no.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I the SEC in a way like the Indiana argument
is true one hundred percent. If they lose to Ohio State,
their resume and what they have done is going to
be so interesting up against the SEC. Another reason though,
why I don't think people will feel as bad for
any SEC school, aside from the pompous nature that the
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fan bases have in that league, is because of the
eight conference games, and you know, if you add a
ninth half, the league is getting another loss, and honestly,
it may separate more than not. But if they're unwilling
to do it, you have to be willing to accept
the chaos.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Committee will actually factor that in, though they should. It's
a good point.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
No, I don't know what the committee is going to
factor and but my point is if you're Alabama and
you're left out, or if you're all miss and you're
left out. You're in a league again that will only
play eight conference games, and so and the reason that
I want to do nine is again half the league
gets another loss, and you're trying to get as many
teams as you can. And when you see the rankings,
by the way, aside from Notre Dame and the Independent
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and the automatic bid from Boise State and the automatic pies,
it's all big ten in the SEC anyway. That's who
made up the at large bids. That's where I don't
feel bad about the SEC is because that's the BED
and Greg Sanki. It may matter, but it probably doesn't
matter as long as his member institutions get in that number.
Maybe you'd rather have an Alabama ahead of an Ole
(42:23):
miss just saying on brand wise. But ultimately, if they
get five, then I'm sure they would want six or seven.
But I don't know if he's fighting, you know who are?
You know who they want in or who they don't
want in. If you're an SEC commissioner.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Here's another interesting variable that probably will be more of
a factor in the SEC than anywhere else.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
What do you do about a two loss?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Because right now we have what six teams that all
have two losses in the SEC five teams something like that,
somebody's gonna get in the SEC championship game with two losses.
What happens if they lose and take a third loss?
And are you put are you are you yeah?
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Are you punishing them for taking a third loss? Are
you putting them in over over a team that only
has two losses? You know, it's just going to be.
I think it's going to be a lot murkier and
messier than I think a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I had an idea that I completely threw out and
threw it in the trash because it wouldn't work. But
I thought, how about a Big ten tournament in college football?
You know, if you're having this cross thing, like if
teams aren't playing each other, take your top four teams
and play a tournament. But again, that would add three
more losses to Big ten teams. So there's like no
way that a league would do that, whether it be
the Big Ten, whether it be the ACC, whether it
(43:33):
be the SEC. That was it was such a bad idea,
I didn't even want to bring it up. But I
thought that would at least separate on who is what,
because I do agree that the conference championship game actually
may be more than a curse than a blessing because
of the added loss. But I hope that I hope
because of the state the status of these leagues without
separate divisions, that it's not held against them.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
It's just difficult for me for it it not to be.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
All I'll really had is, you know, divisions felt weird
and they didn't make sense, and they were imbalanced, and
most years the Big Ten East was so much better
than the Big Ten West, et cetera, et cetera. I
do think it kind of cleaned up a lot of
the things that are inevitably going at specifically the SEC,
because the Big Ten is pretty straightforard. If Ohio State
wins out, a bunch of teams will have one loss.
All those losses will be to Ohio State, so Ohio
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State will get in. But you know, like the SEC,
there's a very easy scenario. And I'll be quick on
this because I know we got other stuff to get to.
We could have seven teams all tied atop the SEC
standings when the regular season ends, and it's not that crazy.
All that has to happen is Georgia has to be
Tennessee this weekend, Texas A and M has to be
(44:42):
Texas at home, and all of a sudden, you have
those four schools, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A, and M
Alabama if they went out, Ole Miss if they went out,
and I believe Missouri's the seven seven teams.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
And it's not like a crazy scenario for it to happen,
and it's just it's gonna be a mess.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Say another game, you know what might take You know
what my takeaway is when I saw Georgia lose to
Ole Miss, and I know people are saying it's not
the same Georgia team, it's a different Georgia team. They
don't believe in Carson Back. I get all that, But
now Georgia is gonna go into the playoffs, you know,
sitting there as a squad that could be like a
ten seed.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Yeah. And so if you're Texas, you really want to
face Georgia again.
Speaker 5 (45:22):
Congrats Notre Dame. You just got in. Get your home
playoff game against Georgia.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
But I'm even thinking of the top two seats, Like
if you're Oregon and you're an eight nine, sure in
that matchup, what is your reward getting a Georgia team
because they're in such a mishmash of a mess of
the SEC.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Well, that's that's that's again another conversation for probably a
different segment. But there's been a hot debate on the
internet about do you actually, like, like, if you're Ohio
State and Oregon, is it actually better to lose the
conference championship game get in as the five seed, you
play probably the big the Big twelve champ And then.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
It would be if you knew that the conference championship
game wasn't going to be held against you, like if
that loss was not gonna you know, drop them down,
because that's the difficult thing is you don't know if
you're losing that game, if you would still be able.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
To hold on to the number five rating.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Fair fair, fair, So that's.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
But yeah, it absolutely would be I'd much rather face
Boise State and then go up against BYU and then
end up in a semi final than.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Yeah, absolutely, as opposed to Oregon facing the winner of
Alabama whoever.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's a two for Tuesday, and it's kind of a
tu of Tuesday. Aaron Torres after the Dolphins get a
big win against the Rams on Monday Night Football. But
we're not talking about Kyron Williams not scoring. We're not
talking about Tyreek Hill basically being kept in check. We
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is our resident college basketball expert. Green Bay Phoenix are
off to an zero to two start. UG right now
is probably sitting in the front seat of a bus,
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two hours into a six and a half hour bus
ride down to Western Illinois for a game tomorrow. What's
the college basketball world saying about the green Bay Phoenix.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You know, it's amazing. Cooper Flag's debut. Mainstream debut is
tonight Duke versus Kentucky. But yeah, no, everybody's talking about
about Green Bay and all seriousness. Got to watch a
little bit of the debut against Oklahoma State. I know
you were there, I know Jay Stu was there, and
you know Doug had the guys fighting. So I can't
wait to keep watching this journey that he is on
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with that team, in that program. And you know, I've
always respected Doug's basketball knowledge. I honestly can't wait to
keep watching because I know the team's going to get
better of the course of this season.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And fingers crossed. Win number one comes tomorrow night. That's
for another day, maybe tomorrow when Doug is back in
on this program. But right now we are talking about
the National Football League and a week ago Monday, when
Jason and I were at Gallagh or Eyebo Arena for
Doug's debut, we were invested, we were cheering for the Phoenix.
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When Green Bay was up seven early, we were loving it.
When they were in the game at halftime, we were
loving it. And then the second half just wasn't meant
to be. Cowboys end up pulling away, but we were invested.
I am no longer invested into a tongue of ila And.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
You want to know why.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It's because if he doesn't care, then I can't care.
And I'm not talking about touchdown passes to Tyreek Hill.
I'm not talking about touchdown passes to Jalen Waddle. I'm
talking about his health. And I think in last night's
game for the Rams who are trying to stay in
the thick of it in the NFC West and the Dolphins,
as crazy as it sounds, entering last night, where a
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two win team still kind of had some playoff hopes,
the playoff picker the AFC is so awful, they're not
necessarily out of it. I think the biggest draw last
night was were we going to see a train wreck
or a car crash with to a tongue of iloa
and he was almost the cause of it. I am done.
I can't worry about to his health. If who is
not gonna worry about to his health.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, I'll say this, and you know, first of all,
I love you coming in hot off the top here.
I think it's okay for you to say if he's
not worried, I'm not worried.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I don't think it's that he's not worried.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I think it's that he has played football probably since
he was four or five, six years old.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
It's all he knows. He's clearly very good at it.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
He clearly obviously goes out saying has a passion for
it and he's not ready to give it up. And
I go back to the days following the most recent
concussion and all the discourse, and I turned on some
of the shows and there were some people that were
very adamant he needs to retire. There were former players
saying if he wants to play, then he should play.
So I don't think it's that he doesn't care. But
I also think at this point, if anything happens, you know,
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he know.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
It's it's like anything else.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
It's like smoking a cigarette, it's like eating fast food, drinking,
So you know the consequences of your behaviors, and it's
up to you whether you deem you know the risk
isn't the right word, but the decision to make any decision,
you know the risk, you know the consequences, and if
you're willing to do it, then you're willing to do it.
What I would also counter by saying is this, I
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do give him a little bit of credit from this
perspective of and I didn't doubt that he would.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
But if you're gonna do it, you got to go
all in.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
And you mentioned the idea of like, well, you know
he's you know, he's flying around and running for first
downs and jumping a you know, diving for the first
down marker head first. It's like but if he wasn't
then we would be probably even more critical, saying, dude,
if you're gonna do this, you gotta do it one
hundred percent. So I don't love it like everybody else.
I know, I speak for America when I say that
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we're all praying nothing major happens on the field. I
wouldn't say he doesn't care. But I think your point
about the idea of you shouldn't like I agree that
you shouldn't care, you shouldn't feel guilty watching, But I
don't think that means that Tua doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It's funny because I'm in a group text with Jason Stewart, Iowa,
Sam is in a group text with us. There's also
one with me and Jason and John Ramos. John, Hey,
there's a variety. I'm sure that you're in a bunch
that I'm not in. Matzi's probably in all of them,
just to be honest. But with Jason last night, as
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soon as Tua through that interception, as soon as he
threw the interception, I didn't realize it at first, but
Jason's like, what the heck is to a doing? And
so I went back and I rewound it, and I'm like, yeah,
that's that's exactly it. I was in the other room
with the the interception happened, and it's Tua trying to
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make a tackle, going headfirst on an interception, and I
get the running for a first down and scrambling. But
the way that he got hurt in week two was
he didn't know how to slide, didn't know when to slide,
didn't know when to give himself up. And you can't
sit there and just throw you know, everything out and
say I'm gonna be Tua. Because the Dolphins and tested
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in you, and that is a perfect opportunity for to it.
I'm not saying that he just had to stand there
and not make a tackle. What you don't do is
go head first and trying to possibly tackle a guy
at his knees, where you get a kneed to the
helmet or it even look like he kind of got
a neck and a neat to his neck that could
cause another concussion. That whole play there, to me, was
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what is representative of I understand what you're saying. With
first downs and slides and all that, that play doesn't
have to happen. He doesn't have to throw himself in
front of a defender after an interception. I think there's
a natural instinct of quarterbacks to do that to try
to make up for the wrong that they just did.
But that's what he has to correct, and if he
can't correct it, then I can't care about it. And honestly,
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as they laid out where the Dolphins were in the
playoff picture and where the Rams were in the NFC,
there was very few reasons for me to watch that
game aside from let me see how Tua is doing.
And then the inevitable comes in of all right, it
is Tua gonna get knocked out again? And I just
I can't care anymore because they can't sit there and
watch every drop back and if he gets sacked, to
see what his head is going to do and see
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what's coming from it. If he's not gonna worry about it,
I'm not gonna worry about it.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Well, it's interesting a couple of things.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
One, you know, I think there's probably a pretty compelling
argument that no quarterback or at least not you know,
I'm not talking about Tyson Badget here, you know, Cooper Rush,
but I mean the marquee quarterbacks, the Jaydon Daniels, the
Joe Burrows, the Lamar Jackson's, the Tuas, they shouldn't be
trying to make a tackle on that play anyway. But
what I would also say is I do agree, and
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I noticed this the first game back was that and
I think they played Arizona that game, and you know
it was a close game whatever obviously last week with Buffalo,
but I just bring it up because it I think
it was the Arizona game, but it might have been
Buffalo last week where there was a play where it
was kind of like a called QB draw where he
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dropped back and then he ran and you could even
almost hear whoever was on the call, and it could
have been jim Nantz, could have been whoever, Like here
we go, and it's like there was even an unease
in the booth of like, oh, are we going to
see something that we don't want to see here? So
I hate to say it, but listen until further notice.
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And I think for the foreseeable future, I think that
is going to be a part of every game that
Miami plays, every physical play, whether it's whether it's a
tackle after an interception, whether it's a run for a
first down, whether it's a hard hit, whether he's getting
sacked with he's whatever.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
And maybe we get to a point like we did.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Last year where a long enough time, you know, kind
of goes by where it where nothing happens, where we
kind of forget about it. But I still think for
the foreseeable future, where we're in that hoping that we
don't see the worst, but almost expecting it anytime there's
a physical play involving too.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I actually think it's the number one draw of the Dolphins.
As sick as that sounds, it sounds so morbid and sick.
But it's true you're wondering what is going to happen here?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
What too?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I had to say after the game about his attempted
tackle following that interception, I feel good.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Everything's good. I went up to that dude that intercepted
me and asked them, like, bro, you couldn't just like
ran out of.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Bound or like cut back.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
It's like you see me and I seeing you, like
you wanted to just run me over. He told me
after the game. There was like he's like there's no
room there, like there was nowhere else to go. So,
you know, he he got to do what he got
to do to help his team win games. And I wasn't.
I wasn't planning on using my head to go ahead.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I guess it's like kind of did kick like the
side of your head?
Speaker 5 (09:35):
You know, you never fell in the Elfis front now.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
I didn't feel feel any of that. That was pretty
bad tackling for him, though, that was pretty terrible.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Let me say this too, and some it was a
former player on one of the talk shows said, and
I would give the person credit if I remember who
it was.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
But Tua is not.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Only putting us in a weird spot as fans, just
we're watching and we don't want to see, but we're
kind of curious about, you know else he's putting in
a really bad spot. Mike McDaniel, Like, think about does
Mike McDaniel have to alter I mean, you always, as
as a coach, you always want to protect your quarterback.
We get that, but it's like, is Mike McDaniel doing
something different?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Is there?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And I don't know, I'm not a scheme expert whatever,
but you do wonder those short yardages where maybe a
year ago would have been the toush push, you know,
the rollouts where there's the option for.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Him to run.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Whatever the scenario is. It is kind of a weird
deal for Mike McDaniel's. Well, again, I understand a play
caller always has to protect the quarterback, but he's obviously
heightened with two of them.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
But you know this as well, and I completely understand
what you're saying with Mike McDon Mike McDaniel is that Tua.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Never was a runner.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
No, no, no, And so the problem is is that
even in the limited space where he could be hit. Now,
I understand if you get ragged all on a sack
that could happen. Everybody's control, ye, but it was the
slide or the lock thereof in Week two against Buffalo
that got him in that situation. There have been other
cases where he has put his body at harm for
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some reason. It's just not registering anymore. And so here
he's talking about a scenario on an interception. He's going
to throw interceptions. That is a given. Every quarterback, no
matter how great you are, is going to throw an interception.
So you know what's going to happen. You have to
be smart on how you respond to that. And I
think Mike McDaniel would trade having Tua the rest of
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the regular season as opposed to him making a tackle
on that interception. And that's where Tua needs to be
smart about it. And he's not being smart about it
or he doesn't care about it, so I can't care
about it. The most damning thing with Tua right now,
and I surely mean this. He lines up in the
backfield with Devon ah Chan and ah Chan has the
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Guardian cap on in Tua dozen and Tua says that
his helmet is set, you know, specific for concussions. I
would wear a thing the size of the moon on
my helmet if I went what through Tua went through.
But there's the optics of it. You have a running
back who's dealt with similar stuff that it appears is
taking the utmost of precautions for his health. Intua is not,
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and that is that is an optics issue as well,
And that's where I just have the problem with it again.
Dolphins Rams last night should have been how are these
two offenses going to go up against each other? Jalen
Ramsey faces his old team, you know, teams that are
trying to fight for the playoffs, And instead, for me,
it turned into, all right, what is Tua going to
do in this game that he could possibly get injured?
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Now I have to watch out for. I mean a
Jason Stewart you immediately text, is that the first thing
that you watched or you looked for on that interception return?
Speaker 7 (12:38):
I look forward to the entire game, almost every play
that if you really look at a couple of those plays,
especially in the first half, there was a couple where
he could have run for a first down or something,
and he chose to pass, and you inevitably just think
there's a reason why he chose not to run there.
So it's always on my mind when I watch him,
and it goes back to kind of my original time
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on this whole thing. We're allowing to it to make
decisions about his own health concerning his brain, and I
don't know how smart that is. After that hit. The
reason why I texted you in that in the group
text was there wasn't any attention on the sideline to it.
The broadcast picked it up. We certainly picked it up,
but nobody's seeming We went up to him, and I'm thinking,
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what's going on here. He's not going to go to it.
He's not going to go to the trainer. We can't
put it in his hands to take care of his
own health. So there's all these questions that are in
my mind when I'm watching him play.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And that's the interesting take on it is. Honestly, when
Tua comes off the field, every time, you almost feel
that there should be a doctor there. You got everything, good, Okay, cool,
considering what he's been through in a scenario like that
where we want to think that the NFL is being
super safe, even though to immediately you know, stood up
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showed no ill effects of a possible concussion or strike
to the head. I think Jason, your point is is
it was just thought of, okay, all is good here,
We don't have to worry about it when we should
be checking in with two almost on every possession to
make sure that he's okay.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, I mean then I do think that puts if
you're if a doctor is coming up to him every
single possession. I know that was a little bit you know,
extreme or what sure, but.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
If you're heading off for three times, you're not gonna
want to go up to him. But the point is
is that in a spot where he actually was hitting
the head, there was no follow up by anybody on
the sideline, Stephen, you know, to So if the NFL
isn't gonna worry about it, and two is not gonna
worry about it, then guess what. I guess I'm not
gonna worry about it because it's a waste of my
time to do.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
So.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, I mean, all I would really add is what
I've said is that if he's gonna be out there,
he's got to, you know, feel like he is contributing
at one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Yeah. I don't know what else to do.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Watch the Dolphins because of Tyreek hil or do you
watch the Dolphins because of their offense, or are you
gonna watch the Dolphins because the possible.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Well, I think to Jay Stew's point, even if you're
a Dolphins fan, even if you're a football fan. You know,
I told you this the other day, but I was
privileged to host Red Zone Radio for you when you
were in Stillwater, and one of my big takeaways was
the discourse around Tua is so big about the injury,
you forget how good of a quarterback he is. So
the only point that I would make is that he
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could throw. He could have the seventy point game again
where he throws for six hundred yards or whatever, and
that would still be part of the conversation.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
There's no I do agree, there is.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
No way right now, in this moment to watch the
Dolphins with it, with it not being no pun intended
at the forefront of your mind.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
He's just I think he's just got to be better
in these certain situations. I agree with that that's exactly
what he has to do.
Speaker 8 (15:43):
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Speaker 2 (15:52):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. He's Aaron Torres, I'm
Dan Bayer sitting in for it Doug today.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
It's been a fun Tuesday. Erin and enjoined it.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I appreciate you guys having me. You know, I know
Doug obviously. You know, as you said, he was unavailable,
so I'm always a pleasure to being with you guys.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
He's on a bus on his way to Western Illinois,
where the Green Bay Phoenix will be playing tomorrow. I'm
guessing our four of the six and a half bus drive,
our six and a half hour bus drive is where
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not for me to get a little something off my chest.
Aarrein Torres.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
Some have remorse.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I engage come on.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
But there's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I think this is the second time this has happened.
This season where I had a gambler pick that failed.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
But there was.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Another game on the slates, and I have all the
games to pick from NBA, college basketball, college football, in
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I could pick all.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Of them, and I've been saying for weeks and I
thought Denver could top Kansas City. I just felt it
was such a trap game for the Chiefs, and it
almost happened. If it wasn't for the blockfield goal at
the gun eron, I would have been right on my
broncost prediction. The only problem with it. For our Gambler
segment that we do every Friday, I picked the Bears
for some stupid reason.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Actually I gave a reason why, which was a bad reason.
So if you were any handicapper like Jared Smith who
joins the show every single week, you would be boy Dan.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
That was a pretty stupid pick.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
But I made it anyway, and I could have got
my gambler right if I just stuck with believing in
the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
They didn't have to win.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
They just had to cover the eight and a half
or whatever the point spread was, and they did that
by a mile by only losing by two even though
they lost on the blocked field.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Goal, I still would have won on the pick.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I believed in Denver for all these weeks, and when
time came to put my money on the line, I
spaced out and didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
And he took the Bears instead. That's the word.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
God, they were never in the game, like there was
yeah where you're like, oh, they've got an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yeah, this could be. They were never in a nineteen
to three game.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
I know it's this is Buyer's remorse, not Torres remorse.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
But I had a similar situation where I saw the
over under point total in the Alabama LSU game and
instantaneously I was like, there's no way that over is hitting.
Then I look at the stats, I think about it
throughout the week. I took the over and within one possession,
I was like, LS, you can't look on l them.
They just talked and they did it, and they did it.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I wanted to tweet nuss Meyer's gonna show who the
top quarterback in this game?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Was good thing? I didn't? Good thing I did not? Well?
Speaker 5 (18:39):
He did show it. I mean he just didn't show
that he was the top. He made it very clear
very very good. Point out.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
His penalty is coaching us the rest of the season.
That's that's that's an old joke. May not may not
match up to you know how I met your Soto,
But still all right, he's Aeron Torres.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I'm Dann bayer Mazi.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Did you hear that the NFL or the NL and
al MVP finalists were announced yesterday?
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yes, yes he did.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Ryan Berschinger, resident producer here on Fox Sports Radio, baseball
expert Jason Stewart as well. So three finalists in the
American League and National League announced. For the National League,
Shoheo Tani appears to be the favorite, but Francisco Lindora
and katl Marte of the Arizona Diamondbacks also finalists. Any
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problems burst with those guys being finalists for the National
League honor?
Speaker 9 (19:34):
No, No, Otani and Lindor were the easy choices there. Sure,
let's throwkaateel Marte into the into the bunch. You can
get some third place.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's like that herb right that you season and just
season a little like like who deserves it? Like they're
gonna finish third, they're gonna get the bronze. But yeah,
all right. So Marte, by the way, voting is already done,
so they know the top three, and that's that's actually
how it's done. It's not that they're doing them a favor,
that they know who the top three are and those
are the three finalists. As for the American League, Bobby
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Wit Junior and then a pair of Yankees in Juan
Soto and Aaron Judge. Are we right on those as well?
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (20:13):
Yeah, Judge should run away with it. But unfortunately for
Bobby Wit. Bobby Witt had an incredible season. He would
easily win MVP in most seasons, but Judge just had
a phenomenal year.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Aaron Torres and I. We love college football, we love
the NFL. We love Aaron obviously, he's passion college hoops,
the whole deal. Baseball not my biggest thing, I would say,
maybe not your biggest thing. Now we need bersh and
Monzi and Jason Stewart here.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Yeah, I had.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I was not familiar with Kotel Marte's game before this segment. Yeah,
vote that Shack. Mean, it's a perfect lead into what
we're gonna get to. Jason Stewart, do you agree with
Ryan Berschinger's award winners. Are you happy with the whole process?
Speaker 7 (20:52):
No, I'm not happy.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
So think so.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Major League Baseball drops the ball in many aspects of
their pr and trying to outreach to younger audiences and
try to be hip the NFL. We've scrutinized the way
they do their award show on the Thursday night before
the Friday, when we're on Radio Row packed with guests
and stuff. MLB needs to do an award show on
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the Monday after the season and just like completely take
advantage of all the eyes and the attention right before
the playoffs start and do the award show. To have
it done in late November makes no sense. Nobody's thinking
baseball or talking about baseball, especially in our space. It's
just another example of Major League Baseball shooting themselves in
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the foot when it comes to being relevant.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
You mean, people aren't gonna get excited at six o'clock
Eastern Time on a Wednesday, a week before Thanksgiving that
someone's gonna win the Cy Young Award or the al
MVP on a Thursday a week out from Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Un let's they tell us where Juan Soto's going.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Now, You're absolutely right, and I think it is an
opportunity for baseball. If they were to put it within
this window, I guess of relevance, it would resonate a
lot more. I saw a breakdown of who won the
nl MVP last year and the year before, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
I forgot I forgot about that. But we could do
that in the National Football League and I think that's
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a problem, but it also allows us to, I don't know,
have some content here because who better to judge the
common person or when it comes to the common sports fan,
or maybe just the common person, as it is not me,
not Aaron Torres, not Ryan Bershing or Jason Stewart, Monzie
Belanos or Iowa Sam. But my wife Lisa. I figured
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I would put her to the test and how well
she knew the finalist for the American League and National
League Most Valuable Player. So what I did Aaron was
last night and I left it for so when she
got up this morning she saw it. I left her
a sheet and I said, here are six names, and
I did not provide the first names. It was blank Tani,
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Blank Lindoor, Blank Marte, blank Judge, Blank Soto, blank Witt Junior.
And I put the six names to the right. It
wasn't like she had to come up with them out
of thin air. I figured that would be much too difficult.
Match up, match up the name. See how well. To
Jason's point, if you're not cashing in, my wife was
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all in on the Dodgers. We were watching all the games.
She was telling me to turn on the Dodger game.
So let's see how well she knew. The finalists for
the American League and National League Most Valuable Player awards
according to my wife Lisa.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Your nominees in the National League.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Dodgers designated hitter according to my wife shoe Hey Otani,
all right, your second nominee for National League Most Valuable
Player Met's second baseman Aaron Lindoor Like Aaron Lindore according
(24:03):
to my wife Lisa. And your final finalists for National
League Most Valuable Player second basement for the Arizona Diamondbacks
Francisco Martee.
Speaker 9 (24:17):
I get it, though, Francisco Marte, you think Latin Latin,
you know what.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
I get what she was doing.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
That's what she was going for.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, Try trying to match it up.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Let's see if you can explain the American League Manzi
manning the outfield for the New York Yankees, Bobby Judge.
Bobby Judge. According to my wife Lisa, what's the hill?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I was just thinking care.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Also taking part of the Yankees outfield Juan Soto and
rounding out our finalists Royal shortstop to tell what Junior?
That according to my wife Lisa and knowing sports, Oh.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, six, that's that's pretty good batting average, right, three
point three? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Do you think if Aaron Judge had been better in
the World Series she would have gotten?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Now, Hi, I knew she would get a Tani. I
knew that that was gonna be the one. I thought
Aaron Judge was going to be the other one that
she would get. And then I got the list and
I read him in the order, and I saw Aaron
Lindor and I'm.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Like, yes, yes, Thank.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Goodness, because it also sets off a domino effect of
there's other you know, there's other matchup.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
That's why would you try to predict an NFL draft.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
If you get one pick wrong, you likely have also
set off three other picks that have been wrong. But so, yeah,
she hit three thirty three in that a l n
NL MVP list.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
It seems like she she did know Wan Soto from
the World Series, but then realized she had left herself
with Cato.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
That's what I was thinking, is like, if she knew
Wan Soda for the World Series, you would have thought
she knew Aaron Judge. But Aaron Judge was so bad
in the World Series until the last couple of games,
but then he had to drop five ball whatever that is.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Yeah, he's no Bobby Judge, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Maybe she thought it was Arson. She's like, huh, you
should Arson Judge.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
But you know what, Dan, Yes, in an indirect way,
your wife just proved me right, Yes, exactly me right. Well, okay,
give me a second on this.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
Three three months ago, something that we discussed quin Viral.
Remember you and Moncey were hosting, and I brought up
the fact that Kaitlin Clark was more famous than Aaron Judge,
and you weren't having it right.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
You weren't have act.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Yes, I think if you put Caitlin Clark's name on there,
in some meshed way, Lisa would have gotten it right,
and she did not get Aaron Judge right. So, in
an indirect way, Lisa three months later proved me right
in the viral discussion that we had.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
This on the podcast. Is there a way to do it?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I was even even Carrie Rhodes that day was a
Yankees fans like, yeah, Kaitlyn Clark's more popular.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
I'm like, get out of here. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
We talked about it for the whole week.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
We had a debate the department, you know, loves to
steal topics, even saved it for his show with Mancy
on Saturday.
Speaker 9 (27:16):
We did.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
We had a debate on our show, Kaitlyn Clark is
she the most famous under twenty five basketball player in
the world. This was about four or five months ago.
Her or Anthony Edwards at like the peak of Anthony
Edwards might be the new Michael Jordan And I was like,
I still think it's Kaitlyn Clark.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah, she would know Kitlyn Clark for sure.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
But would you know Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
She'd think it's the actor. That's who she would think
it was Edward. Anthony.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, good one, Sam, it's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Yeah,
sitting again for Doug Gottlieb here live atth Tirech dot
Com Studios. No, we'd love you, Sam, Were you impressed?
Did you know all the names? We would you have
gone six for six?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yeah? Yeah, you know what, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I just confused Starling Marte with two Martes.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I'm like, there's two Martes and yeah, yeah, that's little
I know.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
By the way, where can they get the Sick podcast
that you Monci and Bobenz.
Speaker 9 (28:09):
Find it on YouTube, Apple Podcast, Spotify, The Sick Podcast,
The Dodger Zone.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Oh there it is all right. Get Jason at Jason Stewart.
You can find erin Torres at Aaron Underscore Torres. You
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and we're gonna have some fun. Okay, we're gonna see
(29:03):
how well my wife knows sports. Oh, that's all right,
So that's coming up in thirty minutes. I don't think
you're gonna want to miss it. But before that, we
got a college football playoff to talk about, because tonight
another set of rankings comes out as we find out
who would fill out the field of twelve once these rankings.
And it is crazy now that we've got these rankings
(29:25):
coming out, Aaron, because the rankings aren't necessarily telling us
who the twelve teams are. Yes, we have to kind
of figure it out for ourselves when we develop our brackets.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Well, that's my first beef, and we'll get into the
big picture ramifications of what we'll learn tonight. And then
just in general, can you just give us the teams
in order of what they would be on the final
day of the season selection Sunday. And I've said this
on all my platforms, including my show on Saturday Nights.
Is I think we just have to change the rankings
from a ranking to bracketology, because that's what it is is.
(29:56):
You know, BYU can't be ninth in the rankings, but
they would get that automatic first round by as a
Big twelve champion as the four seed, So just put
them in as the four seat. It's like, that's that's
a small picture issue that is very easy to fix.
And I think as ESPN presents these rankings and you
know whatever, just make it practalogy. Just give us the
(30:17):
bracket as it would stand if the season ended today.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Which by the way, as Aaron is talking about, there
is an actual grid of one to sixty eight for
those that may not be familiar with the NCAA tournament,
But the bracket doesn't fall into place one to sixty
eight because of a lot of different things. That is
essentially what's going on here. They are giving us there
one to sixty eight, but as you're saying, you got
(30:40):
to present it in bracket form so we actually know
what we could see. Telling me that to your point,
BYU is ninth does not state the fact of how
important it is that BYU is the first Big twelve
team in that ranking. Whereas Georgia being third corre on
the screen or Ohio State being second doesn't necessarily show
where they would fall then in that bracket.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, and I think everybody listening knows. But Oregon and
Ohio State we talked, are they the two best teams
in college football? They could be ranked one and two.
Only one of them will get the first round by
as a as a conference champion, So.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
There is excitement. There's more rankings coming out later tonight.
But you're a huge college football guy. Sure, As he said,
you and Jason Martin Saturday nights here recapping all of
the day's action. I've it's actually one of the great
things with my workload here at Fox Sports Radio. My
day off is Saturday, Sure, and so I get an
(31:34):
opportunity to just enjoy college football like consuming as a fan,
like I did for so many years, and it's been
a lot of fun. So I consider myself a college
football fan as well. I look forward to the rankings
and then I'll sort everything out and I'll look at
the bracket like I did every day last week and
be like, oh, this is interesting. That's interesting. You're saying
(31:54):
that there's some drawbacks to what we're getting or maybe
some stuff that I don't want to say, unintend the
consequences is that maybe a better first.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
That's the perfect verbiage that I would use. Yes, there's
a couple of things that I think stand out is
and you know, listen, this is new for all of us,
so none of us knew coming in, but I think
we all kind of thought, hey, you know, some of
years we can't even really find four teams that are worthy.
So if you get to twelve, there's not gonna be
any scenario where anybody can complain about thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, whatever.
(32:25):
And that's just not gonna be the case. Now, some
of it, is it the committee's fault, isn't whatever. But
the one thing I keep harping on with Jason Martin
imbalanced schedules, because this is the unattended consequence is all
of these conferences are so big now and there are
so many teams that there's no way for all of
the best teams to play each other. And you put it,
(32:46):
you know, you put it on a schedule, and you
have no idea who's going to be good and this
and that. But it's like, you know, you look at uh,
let's look at the Big Ten. As a perfect example,
Ohio State, you could criticize any Ryan Day whatever They're
gonna have to play Oregon, Penn State, and Indiana, who
are right now the three best teams outside of Ohio State, Iowa,
Ohio State plays all three. None of the other three
(33:08):
play each other. Like that's kind of crazy to think about.
By the way, the ACC right now SMU of all
schools is alone in first place undefeated. Tied for second
place with one loss are Miami and Clemson. None of
those three teams play each other. BYU, Colorado, Iowa State
in the Big twelve, none of those teams play each other.
And so that's the first part is you just look
(33:32):
at it big picture. I think it's gonna be really
hard on selection Sunday, where you take, say, in the SEC,
you take a Georgia that had to play at Ole Miss,
at Texas, at at Alabama versus a team like Old
Miss who missed Alabama, who missed Tennessee, who missed Texas
on the schedule. And I know, in that exact example
(33:52):
you have the head to head game. But I just
think it's going to make things so much more complicated
than people realize. Including the way a very likely scenario
where the SEC is just so jumbled at the top,
which we can get into in a second, but I
want your thoughts away.
Speaker 9 (34:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
No, it flies in the face of what we're used
to in college football. And when you had the expansion
of teams, I remember there was a conversation going on
on would the SEC break into four different pots? And
instead we did the opposite and said let's just throw
everybody in together. And the Big Ten did the same,
and there's no there's no matchups that you could get
(34:28):
from two separate divisions back then, even though it was
a year ago. What you were trying to do is
you were trying to put your best foot forward. You
were trying to put your best team there. So if
you could get your top two divisional teams, and even
if the top two teams in the league were in
the same division, like maybe a Michigan and Ohio State,
one of those was gonna win out over the others,
(34:48):
so then they would have an opportunity to then beat
the opponent from the West and you would move on,
which happened quite a bit in the Big Ten at
the time, but it worked out well for them that
their best foot was put forward. Now with so much
any spots, Aaron, it's not about putting your best foot forward.
It's about trying to get as many teams in as
you can. And I actually think that to your point,
(35:10):
you're absolutely correct, but I almost think that they want
it this way. Like if you're the SEC and you're
the Big ten, just look at the rankings, look at
where the ACC and the Big twelve are. And it's
so funny because in the summer when there was talk
of expanding the fourteen schools, yeah, there was a pushback
of getting the SEC in the Big ten buys in
(35:31):
those rounds. And I actually think that you and I
may have had this discussion of you have to take
what you can get if you're the ACC or the
Big twelve, because right now we're seeing a bracket that
doesn't include any of those schools outside of the automatic
buys that they get for winning their conference. And so
with all that being said, you find it a problem.
(35:52):
I think it's exactly what Tony Pettiti and Greg Sank
would want. Is this conversation of all, right, yeah, maybe
you know Georgia doesn't play all of these teams or whatever,
but that's fine because in the end of the day,
that committee's going to have to make a decision, and
we'll see if they'll put say, Pitt ahead of Georgia
in that scenario. There's like no way that those Commence
commissioners think that would happen.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
But I think it all sounds great on paper until
you get to a scenario where, let's say, let me
give you a very simple scenario. Georgia beats Tennessee this weekend.
Georgia is an eleven point favorite, right, so that seems
very feasible that it could happen, that it probably will happen.
So Georgia now, well, could finish the season ten and two.
They have a loss to Alabama. Alabama, there are only
(36:37):
two sc there are only two SEC games are against Oklahoma
and Vandy. We think they're gonna win out Alabama finishes
ten and two. Well, they have the head to head
and win over Georgia, but they lost to Tennessee, and
then Tennessee of course, could finish ten and two with
the win over Bama the loss to Georgia, and so yeah,
it sounds good, and yes, you may get more bids
than anticipated because the ACC and big twelve don't have
(36:58):
that competition, but it is already setting up.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
I'm already seeing.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
It on social media where it's like, you know, I
saw something yesterday. I don't want to criticize the writer
because I don't even think he really thought about it,
but he had a bracket where Alabama was in the
playoff and Tennessee was out, and I saw Tennessee fans
freaking out saying, how can you leave us out with
the head to head win, And of course his argument
was XYZ whatever. I'm not gonna defend or argue whatever.
(37:25):
The point I'm trying to make is, yeah, it sounds good,
you might get that fourth bid as opposed to the
third bid, but especially in the SEC, teams are gonna
get left out. And I think, what's really gonna happen? Dan,
and I think we're already seeing this as well. We
thought the big brand bias was dead because you know
that fourteen playoff. There was always the year where Alabama
didn't win the SEC or Ohio State didn't win the
(37:46):
Big Ten and did they really deserve to get in?
But they got in anyway, And there was also a conversation,
now it's gonna be extrapolated, because there is once you
get past those conference champions, so much just debate and
so the.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
School and I'm already seeing Dan hasn't even lost.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
A game yet, the Indiana Hoosiers, Well, why if they
lose to Ohio State, what's their record gonna look like?
Speaker 5 (38:08):
They'll be eleven and one? What will be their best win?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Dah da da da dah this and that, And it's like, so, yeah,
like the Big Ten and SEC are still in position
to they have the advantageous pathway. But I also still
don't think it's gonna preclude a lot of debate, a
lot of argument teams that believe they should be in
getting in, and I think we're headed towards those very annoying,
(38:32):
you know, Saturday nights, Sunday morning conversations about well this
team only got in because of the brand bias and
that team got left out.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
You know, da da da dah so.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
But that no, that name that that is an argument,
that is one that previously wasn't there again because of
the four teams, it was still kind of there even
in the Baylor TCU Ohio State from the first ever
college football ranking, in the first ever playoff that we had.
There was the thought that Ohio State got in because
of the bigger brand name than be Why than Baylor
(39:01):
or TCU. That has always been there. But I don't
know how you can't look back at college football and say, yeah,
there is a jumbled mess around the ten eleven, twelve,
thirteen rankings because there always has been, Like there's to
decipher who is who is really the better ten and
two team. It doesn't matter if it's in the SEC.
(39:23):
If you were separated in the conference in the past,
you would have a difficulty in trying to figure out,
all right, who is really eleven and who is twelve?
Now that's the cutoff point. And the thing that we
would say in saying we would want a playoff is
I would feel much better leaving out the twelfth best
team of the thirteenth best team than I would leaving
the fifth best team.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
I think we thought we were going to think that.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
But let's use an example. Ole Mis gets left out
over a Georgia team that they beat head to head.
That's a very because remember, if Georgia beats Tennessee, they
have a win over Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
That have a win over text.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
I get it, Hey, Listen. I'm not an Ole missfan.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
I don't really care, but I just think that we
all thought the whole art because listen, you're right, you
know what an Emmy sport, once you get past number one,
number two, number three, whatever, they're all inherently flawed teams.
We all know there's a difference between the ninth best
team in the NFL and the best team in the NFL.
But I do think there was kind of this belief that, like, well,
(40:17):
I mean, if you get left out at number thirteen,
there's really not an argument that you should have been in.
And it's like, okay, Tell that to an Indiana fan
that finishes eleven and one with Roy lost to Ohio State.
Tell that to an old misfan that beat Georgia head
to head and sees Georgia get in. Tell that to
a Tennessee fan that beat Alabama and sees Alabama get in. So,
I listen, you're right, by the way, we could have
a thirty two team playoff.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Do it with basketball. We get to sixty eight teams
and we're still arguing about sixty nine.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
You, Mandy get in and out South Carolina.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
I mean, this is I was fired up about Saint
John's last year. But you know, like so there's always
gonna be argument.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
But I do think I really believe, and maybe you
just feel differently, and that's totally fine. I think we
all thought, well, once you get to thirteen, I mean,
nobody's gonna really have that strong of an argument, and
I think teams will no.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I the SEC in a way like the Indiana argument
is true one hundred percent. If they lose to Ohio State,
their resume and what they have done is going to
be so interesting up against the SEC. Another reason though,
why I don't think people will feel as bad for
any SEC school, aside from the pompous nature that the
(41:22):
fan bases have in that league, is because of the
eight conference games, and you know, if you add a
ninth half, the league is getting another loss, and honestly,
it may separate more than not. But if they're unwilling
to do it, you have to be willing to accept
the chaos.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Committee will actually factor that in, though they should. It's
a good point.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
No, I don't know what the committee is going to
factor and but my point is if you're Alabama and
you're left out, or if you're all miss and you're
left out. You're in a league again that will only
play eight conference games, and so and the reason that
I want to do nine is again half the league
gets another loss, and you're trying to get as many
teams as you can. And when you see the rankings,
by the way, aside from Notre Dame and the Independent
(42:03):
and the automatic bid from Boise State and the automatic pies,
it's all big ten in the SEC anyway. That's who
made up the at large bids. That's where I don't
feel bad about the SEC is because that's the BED
and Greg Sanki. It may matter, but it probably doesn't
matter as long as his member institutions get in that number.
Maybe you'd rather have an Alabama ahead of an Ole
(42:23):
miss just saying on brand wise. But ultimately, if they
get five, then I'm sure they would want six or seven.
But I don't know if he's fighting, you know who are?
You know who they want in or who they don't
want in. If you're an SEC commissioner.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Here's another interesting variable that probably will be more of
a factor in the SEC than anywhere else.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
What do you do about a two loss?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Because right now we have what six teams that all
have two losses in the SEC five teams something like that,
somebody's gonna get in the SEC championship game with two losses.
What happens if they lose and take a third loss?
And are you put are you are you yeah?
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Are you punishing them for taking a third loss? Are
you putting them in over over a team that only
has two losses? You know, it's just going to be.
I think it's going to be a lot murkier and
messier than I think a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I had an idea that I completely threw out and
threw it in the trash because it wouldn't work. But
I thought, how about a Big ten tournament in college football?
You know, if you're having this cross thing, like if
teams aren't playing each other, take your top four teams
and play a tournament. But again, that would add three
more losses to Big ten teams. So there's like no
way that a league would do that, whether it be
the Big Ten, whether it be the ACC, whether it
(43:33):
be the SEC. That was it was such a bad idea,
I didn't even want to bring it up. But I
thought that would at least separate on who is what,
because I do agree that the conference championship game actually
may be more than a curse than a blessing because
of the added loss. But I hope that I hope
because of the state the status of these leagues without
separate divisions, that it's not held against them.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
It's just difficult for me for it it not to be.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
All I'll really had is, you know, divisions felt weird
and they didn't make sense, and they were imbalanced, and
most years the Big Ten East was so much better
than the Big Ten West, et cetera, et cetera. I
do think it kind of cleaned up a lot of
the things that are inevitably going at specifically the SEC,
because the Big Ten is pretty straightforard. If Ohio State
wins out, a bunch of teams will have one loss.
All those losses will be to Ohio State, so Ohio
(44:22):
State will get in. But you know, like the SEC,
there's a very easy scenario. And I'll be quick on
this because I know we got other stuff to get to.
We could have seven teams all tied atop the SEC
standings when the regular season ends, and it's not that crazy.
All that has to happen is Georgia has to be
Tennessee this weekend, Texas A and M has to be
(44:42):
Texas at home, and all of a sudden, you have
those four schools, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A, and M
Alabama if they went out, Ole Miss if they went out,
and I believe Missouri's the seven seven teams.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
And it's not like a crazy scenario for it to happen,
and it's just it's gonna be a mess.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Say another game, you know what might take You know
what my takeaway is when I saw Georgia lose to
Ole Miss, and I know people are saying it's not
the same Georgia team, it's a different Georgia team. They
don't believe in Carson Back. I get all that, But
now Georgia is gonna go into the playoffs, you know,
sitting there as a squad that could be like a
ten seed.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Yeah. And so if you're Texas, you really want to
face Georgia again.
Speaker 5 (45:22):
Congrats Notre Dame. You just got in. Get your home
playoff game against Georgia.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
But I'm even thinking of the top two seats, Like
if you're Oregon and you're an eight nine, sure in
that matchup, what is your reward getting a Georgia team
because they're in such a mishmash of a mess of
the SEC.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Well, that's that's that's again another conversation for probably a
different segment. But there's been a hot debate on the
internet about do you actually, like, like, if you're Ohio
State and Oregon, is it actually better to lose the
conference championship game get in as the five seed, you
play probably the big the Big twelve champ And then.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
It would be if you knew that the conference championship
game wasn't going to be held against you, like if
that loss was not gonna you know, drop them down,
because that's the difficult thing is you don't know if
you're losing that game, if you would still be able.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
To hold on to the number five rating.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Fair fair, fair, So that's.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
But yeah, it absolutely would be I'd much rather face
Boise State and then go up against BYU and then
end up in a semi final than.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Yeah, absolutely, as opposed to Oregon facing the winner of
Alabama whoever.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
You know,
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