November 12, 2024 • 35 mins
Dan and Aaron in for Doug as they talk about the Miami Dolphins and how Tua Tagovailoa's health dominates your thoughts and your viewing of that team this season. Dan and Aaron welcome NFL Analyst and prolific podcaster John Middlekauff on the show to talk about the Bears, Cowboys and all of the headlines around the NFL this week. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes the guys through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Call It's a two for Tuesday, and it's kind of
a TUA Tuesday. Aaron Torres after the Dolphins get a
big win against the Rams on Monday Night football. But
we're not talking about Kyron Williams not scoring. We're not
talking about Tyreek Hill basically being kept in check. We
are talking about the Dolphins quarterback. As we are broadcasting
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Aaron Torres is our resident college basketball expert. Green Bay
Phoenix are off to an zero to two start. Doug
(00:58):
right now is probably sitting in the front seat of
a bus two hours into a six and a half
hour bus ride down to Western Illinois for a game tomorrow.
What's the college basketball world saying about the green Bay Phoenix.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
You know, it's amazing. Cooper Flag's debut. Mainstream debut is
tonight Duke versus Kentucky. But yeah, no, everybody's talking about
about green Bay and all seriousness. Got to watch a
little bit of the debut against Oklahoma State. I know
you were there, I know Jay Stu was there, and
you know Doug had the guys fighting. So I can't
wait to keep watching this journey that he is on
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with that team, in that program. And you know, I've
always respected Doug's basketball knowledge. I honestly can't wait to
keep watching because I know the team's gonna get better
of the course of the season.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And fingers crossed, win number one comes tomorrow night. That's
for another day, maybe tomorrow when Doug is back in
on this program. But right now we are talking about
the National Football League and a week ago Monday, when
Jason and I were at Gallagher IBA Arena for doug debut,
we were invested. We were cheering for the Phoenix. When
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Green Bay was up seven early we were loving it
when they were in the game. At halftime, we were
loving it. And then the second half just wasn't meant
to be. Cowboys end up pulling away, but we were invested.
I am no longer invested into a tongue of Iloa.
And you want to know why. It's because if he
doesn't care, then I can't care. And I'm not talking
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about touchdown passes to Tyreek Hill. I'm not talking about
touchdown passes to Jalen Waddle. I'm talking about his health.
And I think in last night's game for the Rams
who are trying to stay in the thick of it
in the NFC West and the Dolphins, as crazy as
it sounds, entering last night, where a two win team
still kind of had some playoff hopes, the playoff picker
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the AFC is so awful, they're not necessarily out of it.
I think the biggest draw last night was where we
going to see a train wreck or a car crash
with to a tongue of Iloa, and he was almost
the cause of it. I am done. I can't. I
can't worry about to his health. If two is not
gonna worry about to his.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Health, well, I'll say this, and you know, first of all,
I love you coming in hot off the top here.
I think it's okay for you to say if he's
not worried, I'm not worried.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I don't think it's that he's not worried.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I think it's that he has played football probably since
he was four or five, six years old. It's all
he knows. He's clearly very good at it. He clearly
obviously goes out saying has a passion for it and
he's not ready to give it up. And I go
back to the days following the most recent concussion and
all the discourse, and I turned on some of the
shows and there were some people that were very adamant
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he needs to retire. There were former players saying if
he wants to play, then he should play. So I
don't think it's that he doesn't care. But I also
think at this point, if anything happens, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
He know it's not like anything else.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
It's like smoking a cigarette, it's like eating fast food, drinking.
So you know the consequences of your behaviors, and it's
up to you whether you deem you know the The
risk isn't the right word but the decision to make
any decision, you know the risk, you know the consequences,
and if you're willing to do it, then you're willing
to do it. What I would also counter by saying
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is this, I do give him a little bit of
credit from this perspective of and I didn't doubt that
he would. But if you're gonna do it, you gotta
go all in. And you mentioned the idea of like, well,
you know he's you know, he's flying around and running
for first downs and jumping a you know, diving for
the first down marker head first. It's like, but if
he wasn't then we would be probably even more critical, saying, dude,
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if you're gonna do this, you gotta do it one
hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
So I don't love it like everybody else.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I know, I speak for America when I say that
we're all praying nothing major happens on the field. I
wouldn't say he doesn't care. But I think your point
about the idea of you shouldn't like, I agree that
you shouldn't care, you shouldn't feel guilty watching, But I
don't think that means that Tua doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's funny because I'm in a group text with Jason Stewart, Iowa.
Sam's in a group text with us. There's also one
with me and Jason and John Ramos. John, Hey, there's
a variety. I'm sure that you're in a bunch that
I'm not in. Matzi's probably in all of them, just
to be honest. But with Jason last night, as soon
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as Tua through that interception, as soon as he threw
the interception, I didn't realize it at first, but Jason's like,
what the heck is to a doing? And so I
went back and I rewound it, and I'm like, yeah,
that's that's exactly it. I was in the other room
when the interception happened, and it's Tua trying to make
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a tackle, going headfirst on an interception, and I get
the running for a first down and scrambling. But the
way that he got hurt in week two was he
didn't know how to slide, didn't know when to slide,
didn't know when to give himself up. And you can't
sit there and just throw you know, everything out and
say I'm gonna be Tua. Because the Dolphins invested in you,
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and that is a perfect opportunity to it. I'm not
saying that he just had to stand there and not
make a tackle. What you don't do is go head
first and trying to possibly tackle a guy at his knees,
where you get a knee to the helmet or it
even look like he kind of got a neck and
a neat to his neck that could cause another concussion.
That whole play there, to me, was what is representative of.
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I understand what you're saying. With first downs and slides
and all that, that play doesn't have to happen. He
doesn't have to throw himself in front of a defender
after an interception. I think there's a natural instinct of
quarterbacks to do that to try to make up for
the wrong that they just did. But that's what he
has to correct, and if he can't correct it, then
I can't care about it. And honestly, is that laid
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out where the Dolphins were in the playoff picture and
where the Rams were in the NFC. There was very
few reasons for me to watch that game aside from
let me see how Tua is doing. And then the
inevitable comes in of all right, it's Tua gonna get
knocked out again, and I just I can't care anymore
because I can't sit there and watch every drop back
and if he gets sacked, to see what his head
is going to do and see what's coming from it.
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If he's not gonna worry about it, I'm not gonna
worry about it.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Well, it's interesting a couple of things.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
One, you know, I think there's probably a pretty compelling
argument that no quarterback or at least not you know,
I'm not talking about Tyson Badget here, you know, Cooper Rush,
but I mean the Marquee quarterbacks, the Jaydon Daniels, the
Joe Burrows, the Lamar Jackson's, the Tuas, they shouldn't be
trying to make a tackle on that play anyway. But
what I would also say is I do agree, and
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I noticed this the first game back was that and
I think they played Arizona that game, and you know
it was a close game whatever obviously last week with Buffalo,
but I just bring it up because it I think
it was the Arizona game, but it might have been
Buffalo last week where there was a play where it
was kind of like a caled QB draw where he
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dropped back and then he ran and you could even
almost hear whoever was on the call, and it could
have been jim Nantz, could have been whoever, Like h,
here we go, and it's like there was even an
unease in the booth of like, oh, are we going
to see something that we don't want to see here?
So I hate to say it, but listen until further notice.
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And I think for the foreseeable future, I think that
is going to be a part of every game that
Miami plays, every physical play, whether it's whether it's a
tackle after an interception, whether it's a run for a
first down, whether it's a hard hit, whether he's getting
sacked with he's whatever. And maybe we get to a
point like we did last year where a long enough time,
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you know, kind of goes by where it where nothing happens,
where we kind of forget about it.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But I still think for the foreseeable future, where.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
We're in that hoping that we don't see the worst,
but almost expecting it anytime there's a physical play involving too.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I actually think it's the number one draw of the Dolphins.
As sick as that sounds, it sounds so morbid and sick,
but it's true. You're wondering what is going to happen.
Here's what two I had to say after the game
about his attempted tackle following that interception.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I feel good.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Everything's good. I went up to that dude that intercepted
me and asked him, like, Bro, you couldn't just.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Like ran out a bound or like cut back.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
It's like you've seen me and I seeing you, like
you wanted to just run me over. He told me
after the game. There was like like there's no room there,
like there was nowhere else to go. So, you know,
he he got to do what he got to do
to help his team win games. And I wasn't. I
wasn't planning on using my head to go.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I guess it's like kind of did kick like the
side of your head?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You know, you never fell in the olefics front.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Nah, I didn't feel feel any of that. That was
pretty bad tackling for him, though, that was pretty terrible.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Let me say this too, And it was a former
player on one of the talk shows said, and I
would give the person credit if I remember who it was.
But Tua is not only putting us in a weird
spot as fans. Just we're watching and we don't want
to see, but we're kind of curious about, you know
what else he's putting in a really bad spot. Mike McDaniel, Like,
think about does Mike McDaniel have to alter I mean,
(10:04):
you always as as a coach, I always want to
protect your quarterback. We get that, but it's like, is
Mike McDaniel doing something different?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Is there?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And I don't know, I'm not a scheme expert whatever,
but you do wonder those short yardages where maybe a
year ago would have been the toush push, you know,
the rollouts where there's the option for him to run.
Whatever the scenario is. It is kind of a weird
deal for Mike McDaniel as well. Again, I understand a
play caller always has to protect the quarterback, but it's
obviously heightened with two of them.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
But you know this as well, and I completely understand
what you're saying with Mike McDon Mike McDaniel is that
Tua never was a runner. No, no, no, And so
the problem is is that even in the limited space
where he could be hit. Now, I understand if you
get rag Doll on a sack that.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Could happen, everybody's control yeah, but it was.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
The slide or the lack thereof in Week two against
Buffalo that got him in that situation. There have been
other cases where he has put his body at harm
for some reason. It's just not registering anymore. And so
here he's talking about a scenario on an interception. He's
going to throw interceptions. That is a given. Every quarterback,
no matter how great you are, is gonna throw an interception.
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So you know what's going to happen. You have to
be smart on how you respond to that. And I
think Mike McDaniel would trade having Tua the rest of
the regular season as opposed to him making a tackle
on that interception. And that's where Tua needs to be
smart about it. And he's not being smart about it
or he doesn't care about it, so I can't care
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about it. The most damning thing with Tua right now,
and I purely mean this, he lines up in the
backfield with Devon ah Chan and a Chan has the
Guardian cap on in Tua dozen and Tua says that
his helmet has set, you know, specific for concussions. I
would wear a thing the size of the moon on
my helmet if I went what through Tua went through.
(11:57):
But there's the optics of it here. You have a
running back who's out with similar stuff that it appears
is taking the utmost of precautions for his health. Intu
it is not, and that is an optics issue as well,
And that's where I just have the problem with it again.
Dolphins Rams last night should have been how are these
two offenses going to go up against each other? Jalen
(12:17):
Ramsey faces his old team, you know, teams that are
trying to fight for the playoffs, and instead, for me,
it turned into, all right, what is Tua going to
do in this game that he could possibly get injured?
Now I have to watch out for. I mean a
Jason Stewart you immediately text, is that the first thing
that you watched or you looked for on that interception return.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
I look forward to the entire game, almost every play
that if you really look at a couple of those plays,
especially in the first half, there was a couple where
he could have run for a first down or something
and he chose to pass, and you inevitably just think
there's a reason why he chose not to run there.
So it's always on my mind when I watch him,
And it goes back to kind of my original take
(12:58):
on this whole thing. We're allowing to it to make
decisions about his own health concerning his brain, and I
don't know how smart that is. After that hit. The
reason why I texted you in that in the group
text was there wasn't any attention on the sideline to it.
The broadcast picked it up, We certainly picked it up,
but nobody seemingly went up to him, And I'm thinking,
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what's going on here. He's not going to go to it,
He's not going to go to the trainer. We can't
put it in his hands to take care of his
own health. So there's all these questions that are in
my mind when I'm watching him play.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And that's the interesting take on it is. Honestly, when
Tua comes off the field, every time, you almost feel
that there should be a doctor there. You got everything? Good, Okay, cool,
considering what he's been through in a scenario like that
where we want to think that the NFL is being
super safe, even though to immediately, you know, stood up
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showed no ill effects of a possible concussion or strike
to the head. I think Jason, your point is, is
it was just thought of, Okay, all is good here,
we don't have to worry about it when we should
be checking in with two almost on every possession to
make sure that he's okay.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, I mean then I do think that puts if
you're if a doctor is coming up to him every
single possession.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I know that was a little bit you know, extreme.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Or what, sure, but if you're handing off for three times,
you're not gonna want to go up to him. But
the point is is that in a spot where he
actually was hitting the head, there was no follow up
by anybody on the sideline Stephen, you know, to So
if the NFL isn't gonna worry about it, and two
is not gonna worry about it, then guess what. I
guess I'm not gonna worry about it because it's a
waste of my time to do.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
So Yeah, I mean, all I would really add is
what I've said is that if he's gonna be out there,
he's got to, you know, feel like he is contributing
at one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
I don't know what else to do.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Watch the Dolphins because of Tyreek kail or do you
watch the Dolphins because of their offense, or are you
gonna watch the Dolphins because of the possible.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Well, I I think to Jay Stew's point, even if
you're a Dolphins fan, even if you're a football fan.
You know, I told you this the other day, but
I was privileged to host Red Zone Radio for you
when you were in Stillwater, and one of my big
takeaways was the discourse around Tua is so big about
the injury here, you forget how good of a quarterback
he is.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
So the only point that I would make is that
he could throw.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
He could have the seventy point game again where he
throws for six hundred yards or whatever, and that would
still be part of the conversation.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
There's no I do agree, there is.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
No way right now, in this moment to watch the
Dolphins with it, with it not being no pun intended
at the forefront of your mind.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
He's just I think he's just got to be better
in these certain situations. I agree with that that's exactly
what he has to do.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
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(16:14):
move today and firing offensive coordinator Shane Waldron. To talk
about that in so much more as he joins us
every week on the program. Former NFL scout now turned
analyst and host of the Three and Out podcast. John
Middelkoff joins the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. John,
Great to have you on anything anything surprising about what
(16:36):
happened in Chicago today. Is Shane Waldron is now out
the doors the offensive coordinator in your mind?
Speaker 8 (16:42):
Yeah, I say the timing, And when I say timing,
I mean usually you know when you have that. They
played on Sunday afternoons, right or the morning game for Chicago,
so noon kickoff and it couldn't have gone any worse.
So what changed from Sunday night Monday morning. Monday's a
game plan day, so you start game planning for your opponents.
(17:05):
And there have been reports clearly players you know, have
been going to eber Flus and polls saying they want
this change. There's been some reports saying they want the
backup quarterback, which hard to blame them given how Caleb's playing.
But if this was just a black and white, this
guy needs to be fired because he's not going to a
good job. It happens Monday morning, but you got so
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many cooks in the kitchen. You got Kevin Warren, who
you know, I think is a major, major detriment to
the franchise. It's one thing to hire these guys to
run your business operations, which obviously he's running point on
with the stadium. But in Hard Knocks, there was a
visual that I'll never forget is when they signed DJ
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Moore to that massive contract, Ryan Pulls the GM was
going it over, was going over it with him before
he called DJ Moore to the office. So listen at
the end of the day, and I was thinking about
this today getting ready for the pot, Like what what's
really the difference between like the Bears or the Raiders.
You know, I mean, that's what we're talking here. Obviously,
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the dynamics of the history, dynamics of you know, the Raiders.
We're looking for a stadium forever. But the dysfunction is
when you have all these people involved, It's just that's
not how football works. So I don't even look at
this from a football standpoint. I view this from a
big picture organizational standpoint, and I think they're kind of screwed.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
John.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
First of all, love listening to you and Colin listen
every Monday when I'm walking the dog. So I appreciate
all the work you do.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
No problem, man.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
You know, stupid question, I think I know the answer to.
Is there any reason to believe that when we what
we assume is the head coaching change happens, that they're
actually going to get it right? And the only reason
I ask is because we basically have like a thirty
year track record, as you just pointed them out, as
you just pointed out, of them screwing it up or
going cheap or whatever.
Speaker 8 (18:55):
Yeah, I mean, let me defend the Raiders. I just
compared them to Mark Davis. He's taken over the team,
unlike his dad, who I would say historically was also
a little cheap with coaches, has tried right, paid one
hundred million dollars to Gruden. Listen, the Josh McDaniels thing
was a disaster, but I the forty nine ers wanted
Josh McDaniels, see the Chrid Vallad, and the Colts wanted him.
(19:17):
A lot of people wanted him, so I don't fault
him for hiring that guy. And he spent a lot
of money to do it. The Bears have never done
that ever, So to think that like they'll be fishing
in the deep end where the big coaches are. The
costs a lot of money, Like Rabel has a price,
Belichick has a price. You know, I'm trying to think,
you know, Ben Johnson, obviously he's got a lot of hypes,
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but his team is so loaded to think I'm always
leary of guys, you know, the spot for Ben Johnson
doesn't get any better, you know, in terms of players,
And clearly he's been an awesome play caller, but like
that's not the Bears, and they's just we've seen a
lot of like Matt Nagg he's my guy, and clearly
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you could argue he's the most successful coach the last
ten plus years. For him, I mean, compared to ebra Flues,
he look like Bill Walsh, but he just you know,
he gets hire these ebra fluses. They're just not that expensive.
So I don't see what would change. And let's face
the other elephant in the room, getting back to Kevin Warren, Like,
it's not me just saying this, Like I'm reading this.
Mike Sando wrote it in his article. A lot of
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people around the league, like they see that video on
Hard Knocks. They go to the Bear's website and see
like a day in the life with Kevin Warren's like
who wants to be the star? Like in football buildings McVeigh, Kyle,
Andy Reid, you know, they're the head Hawks show. And
that's just not how the Bears have operated since you know,
I was born in the mid eighties, in the peak
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of their powers, since back then when they had didkus.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
John Mittlcoff joining us here on the Doug Gotlib Show
on Fox Sports Radio. He's here and Torres, I'm Dan
Byer sitting in for Doug. Maybe not a similar situation,
but we're talking about a young quarterback seemed to be
a lot of pushback now to the Colts moving towards
Joe Flacco as their starter after he threw three interceptions
and his second consecutive start this past week, and in Indianapolis,
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what do you do with the Colts as you're sitting
there at four and six right now, I don't know
if the playoffs are are legit, hope, even though the
standings say that you are in the hunt. What do
the Colts do with their quarterback position?
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (21:20):
I mean it's a tough spot. You know, if you're
going to take a pro A project and you're going
to have a team with playoff aspirations, that guy better
be able to function and help you make the playoffs.
And the forty nine ers got lucky they avoided it
because Trey Lance obviously was not and was going to
be a disaster for them. But they found Brock Berdy
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and they had Jimmy Garoppola, and that's what hopefully Flacco
is going to be just you know, help them get
the ten wins. Well, let's face these last couple of weeks, Blacker,
the stuff now looked very good and the problem is,
like you go back to Anthony Richardson, you know, and
we'll see what he says tomorrow. Wouldn't put that past
to anybody if he plays you this week or next week.
(22:04):
But it's like the do your high end players want that?
Like why do you think Trey Lance didn't start for
the Cowboys against the Eagles? Obviously Mike McCarthy and Jerry
knows they can say whatever they want to get their
team has no chance to win that camp. But like
it's hard to look at Micah Parson's and Ceedee Lamb
and Zach Martin some of the other guys on the
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team and go, this guy gives us the best chance
to win. I know you're laying on the line because
they know that's not true. And that's where I think
they found themselves in this no man's land, like Ryan Kelly,
Jonathan Taylor, like listen track it looks terrible and is not,
but he's still better than Nanthy Richardson. So this is
why back to the Ben Johnson being hired for the Bears.
(22:47):
You know, listen Shanezike in good play Caller. I think
he's a dynamic offensive mind. But this is why you
get paid the big bucks for these situations, and you
screw this situation up. It could like derail your career
and they're in a weird spot. I don't really have
a right or wrong answer, but it feels like you
get really ugly really fast.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
John.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I think a topic that pretty much all of us
were wrong on. I don't want to speak for you
or Dan, but I know I was the state of
the Pittsburgh Steelers. Was there any and I know Russ
was banged up in the preseason and everything, but was
there any reason to believe or any reason to see
this coming what they're currently doing?
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Yeah, I mean I definitely was way wrong. I thought
this would be the year from hell. You know, I
was banging the table that it was time for Mike
to kind of pull in Andy Reid, like when Andy
left Philly and went to Kansas City, almost like get
a new leads on life right, And it just felt
like it had run its course. And one thing was
clear early even when Fields was playing, It's like, well,
(23:46):
you just don't really leave defensive players like this, but
you know that move from to Russell Wilson, it's just
an all timer. You know, sometimes you go to the bullpen,
you know, in the fourth inning of a playoff, game
and that guy gives up back to back zero, you
lose the series. Other time, that guy strikes out the
next four guys he sees, and all of a sudden,
like you're headed to the World Series. And I think
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it could be a defining move for this season. And
now who would have thought that Russell Wilson and the
Steelers he would like light their chances against the Baltimore Ravens.
And part of this is the Ravens past defense is terrible.
One thing, Russell, you know, Aaron Rod is a good
example of this. He's gonna be able to throw the
ball really well, probably till he's like seventy five years old.
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I thought Dan Marino was at the game last night.
He must work for the Dolphins or whatever. I don't
know how old Dan is. If I would give sixty
sixty plucks if you just handed them a football on
the sideline last night standing next to Matt Stafford, I
bet Dan Marino can still slant. But the scene with
Russell Wilson was like he throws a nice deep ball,
but like not great in the pocket, and then he
no longer runs around. Well now they're basically just asking him,
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like listen, we're gonna run the ball and you're just
gonna throw some deep balls down the sideline. And we
got fifty to fifty tight guy. And really George Pickens
is more like an eighty twenty guy, and Mike Williams
even at this point, probably like a sixty forty guy.
Their running backs have been awesome. So you know, if TJ.
Watts help Arthur Smith massive upgraded offensive coordinator, Steelers are
(25:16):
you've got to keep your hat to If you're a
Steeler fan, you've been frustrated the last three or four years,
there's got to be a pretty prideful season go and
so forth.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
It's amazing. I have been a lifelong Seahawks fan, and
I still hold grudges over Super Bowl forty. But they're
like a likable team and like it's so weird because
they're so mainstream, John, but I would assume that if
you didn't have any dog in the fight this weekend,
you're pulling for them to win over the Ravens. The
Steelers have, I don't want to say become America's team
(25:44):
because it's a phrase we use a lot, but they
have such a huge fan base that would annoy so
many people but the stories within this team have now
actually made them a likable franchise. It's crazy.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Yeah, it's pretty incredible. I mean I've gone to a
lot of NFL games over the years, and I don't
care what you're on the West Coast, whether you're in
the Northeast, whether you're in the South, if you play
the Steelers or the Packers, they're just gonna be a
lot of fans there. And I think one thing both
of these two teams haven't common. They rarely lose, and
it's amazing, like, think how many teams we were just
(26:15):
talking about the Bears and some of these other giants. Now,
obviously the Steelers haven't won a playoff game since what sixteen?
They haven't won a Super Bowl a long time. But
it's like every single year, worst case scenario, they're going
ten and seven, nine and eight and being a seven seeds.
Think how many teams would die for that to be there?
Four and they're ceiling. I'd still like, are you guys
(26:36):
picking them to be you know, is Russell Wilson going
to beat Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson the
playoff games? I'm still even I do think too like
Jim Harbaugh. I know they beat him this year, but
if memory serves me correct, Herbert got hurt in that game.
And yeah, if you just tell me, like a harball
(26:56):
team on the road round and one, let's just let's
just say the steel winning a vision and they're the
three seeds and Harbaugh's the sixth seeds. Like I give this,
like it wouldn't shock anybody. If Harbaugh and Justin Herbert
were to beat him, we know would be an ugly game.
So I don't think they would be. I'm not as
confident as I am in the Bills. The raven still
got some issues, but like if Lamar plays like he
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does in the regular season, like they can beat anybody
in any game. And obviously the Chiefs, hell, they might
never lose a game again.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
John last one for me, going from a well run,
big brand to one maybe not so well run, the
Dallas Cowboys. So I was actually filling in for Dan
the day of the Falcons loss when it was clear
that Dak was going to be out for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Didn't know it at the time that it was going
to be season ending.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I know McCarthy is fighting for a job that he
can't keep and I know Jerry, but this feels like
the ultimate basically shut it down and get the high
draft pick.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Am I missing. I'm seeing this as like a discourse.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
It feels very obvious to me that the priority should
not be trying to win games in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Yeah, because when does the guy with a amstring injury?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (28:03):
Yeah, Usually it's it's pretty cut and dry, right, a
major injury. You're like, Okay, this guy's out for the season,
and this was like, yeah, he's on the sideline, might
need some work done. It's like, oh, we'll just punt
on the season. I do think the more and more
I've thought about it, I thought that Micah Parsons comment
and listen, like maybe he didn't actually mean what he
was saying, but the way it came off, you know,
(28:25):
for a guy listen. I don't know Mike personally, but
he's not a big like take shots to his own
team guy when they're losing, like he's pretty professional. Was
a pretty low level thing to say. And that's something
you say when you know the head coach is not
in charge, doesn't like Mike won a Super Bowl before Micah,
and I do think that's kind of reflective or a
reflection of just like the Cowboys operation right now, Like
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for the most part, like one thing, Dak is great
at Tyron Smith forever, like really high class guys. And
I thought that Micah thing was like, ugh, that's kind
of cringey. This whole well, you know, the Jerry all
the comments, it feels like it's starting to unravel and
like might might not be a good enough coach, but
like he's not to me, it's hard for me to
(29:11):
involve him in all that craft. So I think the Cowboys,
I mean they've kind of hit the point of you know,
like Al Davis is in the two thousand and seven
eighty nine, that's kind of what Jerry feels like on
like a richer, more prestigious level, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, absolutely, And he doesn't want to pay for curtains either.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
I mean, Jerry, no one can see Jery, no one.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
John, We appreciate it every week. Haveing, uh great rest
of the week. Enjoy week eleven coming up, and we'll
talk to you next week, you guess. John Middlecalff, NFL analyst,
former NFL Scout, host of the Three and Out podcast,
as he joins the Doug Gottlieb Show every week.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
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Speaker 2 (29:56):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. He's Aaron Torres. I'm
Dan Bayer sitting in for Doug today. Hit airin up
at Aaron underscore torys. You can find me at Dan
Byer on Fox. Jason Stewart's here. Technical producers Iowa Sam
and Manzi Blanos is at the news desk and she's
got a game.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
This is game Time Game Shag on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Manzi, Jiz, what do we got today?
Speaker 9 (30:24):
Well, it's Tuesday. It's how I keep track of my
week with game time. So what are we playing today?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Rank them? Rank them? That is right?
Speaker 9 (30:31):
All right, fellas, you're going to rank a variety of things.
We're going to start in the NFL. We're more than
halfway through the season, So rank the top three teams
in the NFL for me, Do you want.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
To do separate rankings? Because I got mine ready to go.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah, let's rank.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I believe that the Lions have been the best team
in the NFL. For weeks, even though they don't have
the best record. So I'm going Lions number one. I
will go Chiefs number two, and welcome back to the ranking.
In the top three, the Philadelphia Eagles. Yes, I believe
the Eagles are the third best team right now in
the National.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Football You know what's crazy, you have the exact same list.
I was thinking.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
About putting Philiate three, and I thought it'd be too
controversial for a midweek Tuesday. You know, I didn't want
you know, I didn't want Dug getting phone calls about
my controversial top three. So, by the way, should add
my preseason Super Bowl pick was Detroit over.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Case No, I had Casey over Detroit.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Well, so I'll flip it up because I don't think
the undefeated matters, but I do think it's hard to
not say that. I don't think the Chiefs are playing
the best, but they are the best by definition in
my opinion, because of the record, because of their their history, whatever.
If the Vikings were undefeated, I wouldn't necessarily say they
have to be number one.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
So Chiefs won Lions to I'll say Ravens three.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
But I've seriously thought about Philadelphia and I would.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Probably have them at number four and playing very well.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
Right now, Yeah, those all those answers.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Went out on a limb with that chief Super Bowl pick. No,
I picked the Lions over the Chiefs. But the Chiefs
and the Super Bowl, I know.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Three p coming. It's coming, y'all.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Let me tell you, did you pick against the Yukon
women too? Just to be different? I have the Lions Bills.
That's what I have happened me too. Wow, the Bills,
they make the player in the AFC seven.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Years in a row.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Way to go out on a limb, dand.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
In the Super Bowl they haven't been there since Super
Bowl twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Four straight Super Bowls. Wait to go out on a
limb there.
Speaker 9 (32:33):
Okay, rank the top three teams in college foot mo.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Dan, you want to go go ahead, Torres, All right,
I will say Oregon number one, dominance. I'm gonna say
Texas to Yeah, Texas, I think they're the best team
in the SEC. And I'll say number three. I'll say
Dan Buyer's Ohio State Buck. Guys don't love them every saturd.
(33:00):
I do think Chip Kelly has been a big difference
for them that way.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I love how Texas is just good enough that Will
Howard slides like a half second too late. So like
that's where he is, because that's where that's That's the
difference between Oregon and Ohio State right now is Will
Howard not knowing how much time is on the clock.
I mean, if you're gonna have Oregon one, I think
Ohio State's got to be two. They had him there.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
In Praskeagon doesn't count for anything. No, absolutely not, absolutely not.
They I mean they almost won in Eugene and we're
a pause and a pump fake away from attempting that
game winning field goal. So I have Oregon won, Ohio
State two. I'll have Texas in a number three.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
That's by that.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Argument the definit you could say, well, if it was
a neutral field or in the horseshoe, Ohio State would
have won, So you could have Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Sure you really the results, yes, the results of it.
I just think I just think that Oregon and Ohio
State have to be right there because of how close
that game was.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
All right, final one here fellas we got time.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Don't worry. I'm not biased or anything. It's totally coming
from a non emotion.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
We didn't think you were biased you're fine, You're fine.
Speaker 9 (34:06):
Top three sports teams in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Well, how about this DePaul basketball three and OH for
the first time in like secret years.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, I saw it was u I c doing. I'm
not too sure he all right to look up. The
fame's gone Northwestern, so I'm not sure how Chris Collins,
OH Wildcats are doing.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
It was de Paul at three and OH has matched
their win total from a season ago, so they got.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
To be number one.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
All right, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Black Hawk's still a thing they doing.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Okay, I don't know the Bulls are not doing.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
Ocur.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I put the Cubs too, And do we put the
Chicago Sky in?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Yeah? Yes, definitely.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Let's put the Chicago Sky in at number three.
Speaker 9 (34:56):
And that's game time.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Showy Dame.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I was hoping Manzi would let us rank our top
three WNBA players right after that cost some controversy going to.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
The Northwestern that's Chicago's college football team, Buckeyes in Northwestern
at Wrigley Field coming up on Saturday. How about that one?
He's eron Torres. I'm dan Byer. College football playoff rankings
come out Tonight we break down what we think is
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Call It's a two for Tuesday, and it's kind of
a TUA Tuesday. Aaron Torres after the Dolphins get a
big win against the Rams on Monday Night football. But
we're not talking about Kyron Williams not scoring. We're not
talking about Tyreek Hill basically being kept in check. We
are talking about the Dolphins quarterback. As we are broadcasting
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Aaron Torres is our resident college basketball expert. Green Bay
Phoenix are off to an zero to two start. Doug
(00:58):
right now is probably sitting in the front seat of
a bus two hours into a six and a half
hour bus ride down to Western Illinois for a game tomorrow.
What's the college basketball world saying about the green Bay Phoenix.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
You know, it's amazing. Cooper Flag's debut. Mainstream debut is
tonight Duke versus Kentucky. But yeah, no, everybody's talking about
about green Bay and all seriousness. Got to watch a
little bit of the debut against Oklahoma State. I know
you were there, I know Jay Stu was there, and
you know Doug had the guys fighting. So I can't
wait to keep watching this journey that he is on
(01:33):
with that team, in that program. And you know, I've
always respected Doug's basketball knowledge. I honestly can't wait to
keep watching because I know the team's gonna get better
of the course of the season.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And fingers crossed, win number one comes tomorrow night. That's
for another day, maybe tomorrow when Doug is back in
on this program. But right now we are talking about
the National Football League and a week ago Monday, when
Jason and I were at Gallagher IBA Arena for doug debut,
we were invested. We were cheering for the Phoenix. When
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Green Bay was up seven early we were loving it
when they were in the game. At halftime, we were
loving it. And then the second half just wasn't meant
to be. Cowboys end up pulling away, but we were invested.
I am no longer invested into a tongue of Iloa.
And you want to know why. It's because if he
doesn't care, then I can't care. And I'm not talking
(02:28):
about touchdown passes to Tyreek Hill. I'm not talking about
touchdown passes to Jalen Waddle. I'm talking about his health.
And I think in last night's game for the Rams
who are trying to stay in the thick of it
in the NFC West and the Dolphins, as crazy as
it sounds, entering last night, where a two win team
still kind of had some playoff hopes, the playoff picker
(02:50):
the AFC is so awful, they're not necessarily out of it.
I think the biggest draw last night was where we
going to see a train wreck or a car crash
with to a tongue of Iloa, and he was almost
the cause of it. I am done. I can't. I
can't worry about to his health. If two is not
gonna worry about to his.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Health, well, I'll say this, and you know, first of all,
I love you coming in hot off the top here.
I think it's okay for you to say if he's
not worried, I'm not worried.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I don't think it's that he's not worried.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I think it's that he has played football probably since
he was four or five, six years old. It's all
he knows. He's clearly very good at it. He clearly
obviously goes out saying has a passion for it and
he's not ready to give it up. And I go
back to the days following the most recent concussion and
all the discourse, and I turned on some of the
shows and there were some people that were very adamant
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he needs to retire. There were former players saying if
he wants to play, then he should play. So I
don't think it's that he doesn't care. But I also
think at this point, if anything happens, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
He know it's not like anything else.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
It's like smoking a cigarette, it's like eating fast food, drinking.
So you know the consequences of your behaviors, and it's
up to you whether you deem you know the The
risk isn't the right word but the decision to make
any decision, you know the risk, you know the consequences,
and if you're willing to do it, then you're willing
to do it. What I would also counter by saying
(04:10):
is this, I do give him a little bit of
credit from this perspective of and I didn't doubt that
he would. But if you're gonna do it, you gotta
go all in. And you mentioned the idea of like, well,
you know he's you know, he's flying around and running
for first downs and jumping a you know, diving for
the first down marker head first. It's like, but if
he wasn't then we would be probably even more critical, saying, dude,
(04:33):
if you're gonna do this, you gotta do it one
hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
So I don't love it like everybody else.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I know, I speak for America when I say that
we're all praying nothing major happens on the field. I
wouldn't say he doesn't care. But I think your point
about the idea of you shouldn't like, I agree that
you shouldn't care, you shouldn't feel guilty watching, But I
don't think that means that Tua doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's funny because I'm in a group text with Jason Stewart, Iowa.
Sam's in a group text with us. There's also one
with me and Jason and John Ramos. John, Hey, there's
a variety. I'm sure that you're in a bunch that
I'm not in. Matzi's probably in all of them, just
to be honest. But with Jason last night, as soon
(05:17):
as Tua through that interception, as soon as he threw
the interception, I didn't realize it at first, but Jason's like,
what the heck is to a doing? And so I
went back and I rewound it, and I'm like, yeah,
that's that's exactly it. I was in the other room
when the interception happened, and it's Tua trying to make
(05:38):
a tackle, going headfirst on an interception, and I get
the running for a first down and scrambling. But the
way that he got hurt in week two was he
didn't know how to slide, didn't know when to slide,
didn't know when to give himself up. And you can't
sit there and just throw you know, everything out and
say I'm gonna be Tua. Because the Dolphins invested in you,
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and that is a perfect opportunity to it. I'm not
saying that he just had to stand there and not
make a tackle. What you don't do is go head
first and trying to possibly tackle a guy at his knees,
where you get a knee to the helmet or it
even look like he kind of got a neck and
a neat to his neck that could cause another concussion.
That whole play there, to me, was what is representative of.
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I understand what you're saying. With first downs and slides
and all that, that play doesn't have to happen. He
doesn't have to throw himself in front of a defender
after an interception. I think there's a natural instinct of
quarterbacks to do that to try to make up for
the wrong that they just did. But that's what he
has to correct, and if he can't correct it, then
I can't care about it. And honestly, is that laid
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out where the Dolphins were in the playoff picture and
where the Rams were in the NFC. There was very
few reasons for me to watch that game aside from
let me see how Tua is doing. And then the
inevitable comes in of all right, it's Tua gonna get
knocked out again, and I just I can't care anymore
because I can't sit there and watch every drop back
and if he gets sacked, to see what his head
is going to do and see what's coming from it.
(07:07):
If he's not gonna worry about it, I'm not gonna
worry about it.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Well, it's interesting a couple of things.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
One, you know, I think there's probably a pretty compelling
argument that no quarterback or at least not you know,
I'm not talking about Tyson Badget here, you know, Cooper Rush,
but I mean the Marquee quarterbacks, the Jaydon Daniels, the
Joe Burrows, the Lamar Jackson's, the Tuas, they shouldn't be
trying to make a tackle on that play anyway. But
what I would also say is I do agree, and
(07:32):
I noticed this the first game back was that and
I think they played Arizona that game, and you know
it was a close game whatever obviously last week with Buffalo,
but I just bring it up because it I think
it was the Arizona game, but it might have been
Buffalo last week where there was a play where it
was kind of like a caled QB draw where he
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dropped back and then he ran and you could even
almost hear whoever was on the call, and it could
have been jim Nantz, could have been whoever, Like h,
here we go, and it's like there was even an
unease in the booth of like, oh, are we going
to see something that we don't want to see here?
So I hate to say it, but listen until further notice.
(08:15):
And I think for the foreseeable future, I think that
is going to be a part of every game that
Miami plays, every physical play, whether it's whether it's a
tackle after an interception, whether it's a run for a
first down, whether it's a hard hit, whether he's getting
sacked with he's whatever. And maybe we get to a
point like we did last year where a long enough time,
(08:36):
you know, kind of goes by where it where nothing happens,
where we kind of forget about it.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But I still think for the foreseeable future, where.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
We're in that hoping that we don't see the worst,
but almost expecting it anytime there's a physical play involving too.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I actually think it's the number one draw of the Dolphins.
As sick as that sounds, it sounds so morbid and sick,
but it's true. You're wondering what is going to happen.
Here's what two I had to say after the game
about his attempted tackle following that interception.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I feel good.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Everything's good. I went up to that dude that intercepted
me and asked him, like, Bro, you couldn't just.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Like ran out a bound or like cut back.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
It's like you've seen me and I seeing you, like
you wanted to just run me over. He told me
after the game. There was like like there's no room there,
like there was nowhere else to go. So, you know,
he he got to do what he got to do
to help his team win games. And I wasn't. I
wasn't planning on using my head to go.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I guess it's like kind of did kick like the
side of your head?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You know, you never fell in the olefics front.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Nah, I didn't feel feel any of that. That was
pretty bad tackling for him, though, that was pretty terrible.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Let me say this too, And it was a former
player on one of the talk shows said, and I
would give the person credit if I remember who it was.
But Tua is not only putting us in a weird
spot as fans. Just we're watching and we don't want
to see, but we're kind of curious about, you know
what else he's putting in a really bad spot. Mike McDaniel, Like,
think about does Mike McDaniel have to alter I mean,
(10:04):
you always as as a coach, I always want to
protect your quarterback. We get that, but it's like, is
Mike McDaniel doing something different?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Is there?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And I don't know, I'm not a scheme expert whatever,
but you do wonder those short yardages where maybe a
year ago would have been the toush push, you know,
the rollouts where there's the option for him to run.
Whatever the scenario is. It is kind of a weird
deal for Mike McDaniel as well. Again, I understand a
play caller always has to protect the quarterback, but it's
obviously heightened with two of them.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
But you know this as well, and I completely understand
what you're saying with Mike McDon Mike McDaniel is that
Tua never was a runner. No, no, no, And so
the problem is is that even in the limited space
where he could be hit. Now, I understand if you
get rag Doll on a sack that.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Could happen, everybody's control yeah, but it was.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
The slide or the lack thereof in Week two against
Buffalo that got him in that situation. There have been
other cases where he has put his body at harm
for some reason. It's just not registering anymore. And so
here he's talking about a scenario on an interception. He's
going to throw interceptions. That is a given. Every quarterback,
no matter how great you are, is gonna throw an interception.
(11:14):
So you know what's going to happen. You have to
be smart on how you respond to that. And I
think Mike McDaniel would trade having Tua the rest of
the regular season as opposed to him making a tackle
on that interception. And that's where Tua needs to be
smart about it. And he's not being smart about it
or he doesn't care about it, so I can't care
(11:35):
about it. The most damning thing with Tua right now,
and I purely mean this, he lines up in the
backfield with Devon ah Chan and a Chan has the
Guardian cap on in Tua dozen and Tua says that
his helmet has set, you know, specific for concussions. I
would wear a thing the size of the moon on
my helmet if I went what through Tua went through.
(11:57):
But there's the optics of it here. You have a
running back who's out with similar stuff that it appears
is taking the utmost of precautions for his health. Intu
it is not, and that is an optics issue as well,
And that's where I just have the problem with it again.
Dolphins Rams last night should have been how are these
two offenses going to go up against each other? Jalen
(12:17):
Ramsey faces his old team, you know, teams that are
trying to fight for the playoffs, and instead, for me,
it turned into, all right, what is Tua going to
do in this game that he could possibly get injured?
Now I have to watch out for. I mean a
Jason Stewart you immediately text, is that the first thing
that you watched or you looked for on that interception return.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
I look forward to the entire game, almost every play
that if you really look at a couple of those plays,
especially in the first half, there was a couple where
he could have run for a first down or something
and he chose to pass, and you inevitably just think
there's a reason why he chose not to run there.
So it's always on my mind when I watch him,
And it goes back to kind of my original take
(12:58):
on this whole thing. We're allowing to it to make
decisions about his own health concerning his brain, and I
don't know how smart that is. After that hit. The
reason why I texted you in that in the group
text was there wasn't any attention on the sideline to it.
The broadcast picked it up, We certainly picked it up,
but nobody seemingly went up to him, And I'm thinking,
(13:21):
what's going on here. He's not going to go to it,
He's not going to go to the trainer. We can't
put it in his hands to take care of his
own health. So there's all these questions that are in
my mind when I'm watching him play.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And that's the interesting take on it is. Honestly, when
Tua comes off the field, every time, you almost feel
that there should be a doctor there. You got everything? Good, Okay, cool,
considering what he's been through in a scenario like that
where we want to think that the NFL is being
super safe, even though to immediately, you know, stood up
(13:53):
showed no ill effects of a possible concussion or strike
to the head. I think Jason, your point is, is
it was just thought of, Okay, all is good here,
we don't have to worry about it when we should
be checking in with two almost on every possession to
make sure that he's okay.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, I mean then I do think that puts if
you're if a doctor is coming up to him every
single possession.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I know that was a little bit you know, extreme.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Or what, sure, but if you're handing off for three times,
you're not gonna want to go up to him. But
the point is is that in a spot where he
actually was hitting the head, there was no follow up
by anybody on the sideline Stephen, you know, to So
if the NFL isn't gonna worry about it, and two
is not gonna worry about it, then guess what. I
guess I'm not gonna worry about it because it's a
waste of my time to do.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
So Yeah, I mean, all I would really add is
what I've said is that if he's gonna be out there,
he's got to, you know, feel like he is contributing
at one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
I don't know what else to do.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Watch the Dolphins because of Tyreek kail or do you
watch the Dolphins because of their offense, or are you
gonna watch the Dolphins because of the possible.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Well, I I think to Jay Stew's point, even if
you're a Dolphins fan, even if you're a football fan.
You know, I told you this the other day, but
I was privileged to host Red Zone Radio for you
when you were in Stillwater, and one of my big
takeaways was the discourse around Tua is so big about
the injury here, you forget how good of a quarterback
he is.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
So the only point that I would make is that
he could throw.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
He could have the seventy point game again where he
throws for six hundred yards or whatever, and that would
still be part of the conversation.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
There's no I do agree, there is.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
No way right now, in this moment to watch the
Dolphins with it, with it not being no pun intended
at the forefront of your mind.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
He's just I think he's just got to be better
in these certain situations. I agree with that that's exactly
what he has to do.
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(16:14):
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Great to have you on anything anything surprising about what
(16:36):
happened in Chicago today. Is Shane Waldron is now out
the doors the offensive coordinator in your mind?
Speaker 8 (16:42):
Yeah, I say the timing, And when I say timing,
I mean usually you know when you have that. They
played on Sunday afternoons, right or the morning game for Chicago,
so noon kickoff and it couldn't have gone any worse.
So what changed from Sunday night Monday morning. Monday's a
game plan day, so you start game planning for your opponents.
(17:05):
And there have been reports clearly players you know, have
been going to eber Flus and polls saying they want
this change. There's been some reports saying they want the
backup quarterback, which hard to blame them given how Caleb's playing.
But if this was just a black and white, this
guy needs to be fired because he's not going to a
good job. It happens Monday morning, but you got so
(17:27):
many cooks in the kitchen. You got Kevin Warren, who
you know, I think is a major, major detriment to
the franchise. It's one thing to hire these guys to
run your business operations, which obviously he's running point on
with the stadium. But in Hard Knocks, there was a
visual that I'll never forget is when they signed DJ
(17:48):
Moore to that massive contract, Ryan Pulls the GM was
going it over, was going over it with him before
he called DJ Moore to the office. So listen at
the end of the day, and I was thinking about
this today getting ready for the pot, Like what what's
really the difference between like the Bears or the Raiders.
You know, I mean, that's what we're talking here. Obviously,
(18:10):
the dynamics of the history, dynamics of you know, the Raiders.
We're looking for a stadium forever. But the dysfunction is
when you have all these people involved, It's just that's
not how football works. So I don't even look at
this from a football standpoint. I view this from a
big picture organizational standpoint, and I think they're kind of screwed.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
John.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
First of all, love listening to you and Colin listen
every Monday when I'm walking the dog. So I appreciate
all the work you do.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
No problem, man.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
You know, stupid question, I think I know the answer to.
Is there any reason to believe that when we what
we assume is the head coaching change happens, that they're
actually going to get it right? And the only reason
I ask is because we basically have like a thirty
year track record, as you just pointed them out, as
you just pointed out, of them screwing it up or
going cheap or whatever.
Speaker 8 (18:55):
Yeah, I mean, let me defend the Raiders. I just
compared them to Mark Davis. He's taken over the team,
unlike his dad, who I would say historically was also
a little cheap with coaches, has tried right, paid one
hundred million dollars to Gruden. Listen, the Josh McDaniels thing
was a disaster, but I the forty nine ers wanted
Josh McDaniels, see the Chrid Vallad, and the Colts wanted him.
(19:17):
A lot of people wanted him, so I don't fault
him for hiring that guy. And he spent a lot
of money to do it. The Bears have never done
that ever, So to think that like they'll be fishing
in the deep end where the big coaches are. The
costs a lot of money, Like Rabel has a price,
Belichick has a price. You know, I'm trying to think,
you know, Ben Johnson, obviously he's got a lot of hypes,
(19:41):
but his team is so loaded to think I'm always
leary of guys, you know, the spot for Ben Johnson
doesn't get any better, you know, in terms of players,
And clearly he's been an awesome play caller, but like
that's not the Bears, and they's just we've seen a
lot of like Matt Nagg he's my guy, and clearly
(20:02):
you could argue he's the most successful coach the last
ten plus years. For him, I mean, compared to ebra Flues,
he look like Bill Walsh, but he just you know,
he gets hire these ebra fluses. They're just not that expensive.
So I don't see what would change. And let's face
the other elephant in the room, getting back to Kevin Warren, Like,
it's not me just saying this, Like I'm reading this.
Mike Sando wrote it in his article. A lot of
(20:23):
people around the league, like they see that video on
Hard Knocks. They go to the Bear's website and see
like a day in the life with Kevin Warren's like
who wants to be the star? Like in football buildings McVeigh, Kyle,
Andy Reid, you know, they're the head Hawks show. And
that's just not how the Bears have operated since you know,
I was born in the mid eighties, in the peak
(20:44):
of their powers, since back then when they had didkus.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
John Mittlcoff joining us here on the Doug Gotlib Show
on Fox Sports Radio. He's here and Torres, I'm Dan
Byer sitting in for Doug. Maybe not a similar situation,
but we're talking about a young quarterback seemed to be
a lot of pushback now to the Colts moving towards
Joe Flacco as their starter after he threw three interceptions
and his second consecutive start this past week, and in Indianapolis,
(21:08):
what do you do with the Colts as you're sitting
there at four and six right now, I don't know
if the playoffs are are legit, hope, even though the
standings say that you are in the hunt. What do
the Colts do with their quarterback position?
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (21:20):
I mean it's a tough spot. You know, if you're
going to take a pro A project and you're going
to have a team with playoff aspirations, that guy better
be able to function and help you make the playoffs.
And the forty nine ers got lucky they avoided it
because Trey Lance obviously was not and was going to
be a disaster for them. But they found Brock Berdy
(21:42):
and they had Jimmy Garoppola, and that's what hopefully Flacco
is going to be just you know, help them get
the ten wins. Well, let's face these last couple of weeks, Blacker,
the stuff now looked very good and the problem is,
like you go back to Anthony Richardson, you know, and
we'll see what he says tomorrow. Wouldn't put that past
to anybody if he plays you this week or next week.
(22:04):
But it's like the do your high end players want that?
Like why do you think Trey Lance didn't start for
the Cowboys against the Eagles? Obviously Mike McCarthy and Jerry
knows they can say whatever they want to get their
team has no chance to win that camp. But like
it's hard to look at Micah Parson's and Ceedee Lamb
and Zach Martin some of the other guys on the
(22:24):
team and go, this guy gives us the best chance
to win. I know you're laying on the line because
they know that's not true. And that's where I think
they found themselves in this no man's land, like Ryan Kelly,
Jonathan Taylor, like listen track it looks terrible and is not,
but he's still better than Nanthy Richardson. So this is
why back to the Ben Johnson being hired for the Bears.
(22:47):
You know, listen Shanezike in good play Caller. I think
he's a dynamic offensive mind. But this is why you
get paid the big bucks for these situations, and you
screw this situation up. It could like derail your career
and they're in a weird spot. I don't really have
a right or wrong answer, but it feels like you
get really ugly really fast.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
John.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I think a topic that pretty much all of us
were wrong on. I don't want to speak for you
or Dan, but I know I was the state of
the Pittsburgh Steelers. Was there any and I know Russ
was banged up in the preseason and everything, but was
there any reason to believe or any reason to see
this coming what they're currently doing?
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Yeah, I mean I definitely was way wrong. I thought
this would be the year from hell. You know, I
was banging the table that it was time for Mike
to kind of pull in Andy Reid, like when Andy
left Philly and went to Kansas City, almost like get
a new leads on life right, And it just felt
like it had run its course. And one thing was
clear early even when Fields was playing, It's like, well,
(23:46):
you just don't really leave defensive players like this, but
you know that move from to Russell Wilson, it's just
an all timer. You know, sometimes you go to the bullpen,
you know, in the fourth inning of a playoff, game
and that guy gives up back to back zero, you
lose the series. Other time, that guy strikes out the
next four guys he sees, and all of a sudden,
like you're headed to the World Series. And I think
(24:07):
it could be a defining move for this season. And
now who would have thought that Russell Wilson and the
Steelers he would like light their chances against the Baltimore Ravens.
And part of this is the Ravens past defense is terrible.
One thing, Russell, you know, Aaron Rod is a good
example of this. He's gonna be able to throw the
ball really well, probably till he's like seventy five years old.
(24:30):
I thought Dan Marino was at the game last night.
He must work for the Dolphins or whatever. I don't
know how old Dan is. If I would give sixty
sixty plucks if you just handed them a football on
the sideline last night standing next to Matt Stafford, I
bet Dan Marino can still slant. But the scene with
Russell Wilson was like he throws a nice deep ball,
but like not great in the pocket, and then he
no longer runs around. Well now they're basically just asking him,
(24:52):
like listen, we're gonna run the ball and you're just
gonna throw some deep balls down the sideline. And we
got fifty to fifty tight guy. And really George Pickens
is more like an eighty twenty guy, and Mike Williams
even at this point, probably like a sixty forty guy.
Their running backs have been awesome. So you know, if TJ.
Watts help Arthur Smith massive upgraded offensive coordinator, Steelers are
(25:16):
you've got to keep your hat to If you're a
Steeler fan, you've been frustrated the last three or four years,
there's got to be a pretty prideful season go and
so forth.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
It's amazing. I have been a lifelong Seahawks fan, and
I still hold grudges over Super Bowl forty. But they're
like a likable team and like it's so weird because
they're so mainstream, John, but I would assume that if
you didn't have any dog in the fight this weekend,
you're pulling for them to win over the Ravens. The
Steelers have, I don't want to say become America's team
(25:44):
because it's a phrase we use a lot, but they
have such a huge fan base that would annoy so
many people but the stories within this team have now
actually made them a likable franchise. It's crazy.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Yeah, it's pretty incredible. I mean I've gone to a
lot of NFL games over the years, and I don't
care what you're on the West Coast, whether you're in
the Northeast, whether you're in the South, if you play
the Steelers or the Packers, they're just gonna be a
lot of fans there. And I think one thing both
of these two teams haven't common. They rarely lose, and
it's amazing, like, think how many teams we were just
(26:15):
talking about the Bears and some of these other giants. Now,
obviously the Steelers haven't won a playoff game since what sixteen?
They haven't won a Super Bowl a long time. But
it's like every single year, worst case scenario, they're going
ten and seven, nine and eight and being a seven seeds.
Think how many teams would die for that to be there?
Four and they're ceiling. I'd still like, are you guys
(26:36):
picking them to be you know, is Russell Wilson going
to beat Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson the
playoff games? I'm still even I do think too like
Jim Harbaugh. I know they beat him this year, but
if memory serves me correct, Herbert got hurt in that game.
And yeah, if you just tell me, like a harball
(26:56):
team on the road round and one, let's just let's
just say the steel winning a vision and they're the
three seeds and Harbaugh's the sixth seeds. Like I give this,
like it wouldn't shock anybody. If Harbaugh and Justin Herbert
were to beat him, we know would be an ugly game.
So I don't think they would be. I'm not as
confident as I am in the Bills. The raven still
got some issues, but like if Lamar plays like he
(27:18):
does in the regular season, like they can beat anybody
in any game. And obviously the Chiefs, hell, they might
never lose a game again.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
John last one for me, going from a well run,
big brand to one maybe not so well run, the
Dallas Cowboys. So I was actually filling in for Dan
the day of the Falcons loss when it was clear
that Dak was going to be out for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Didn't know it at the time that it was going
to be season ending.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I know McCarthy is fighting for a job that he
can't keep and I know Jerry, but this feels like
the ultimate basically shut it down and get the high
draft pick.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Am I missing. I'm seeing this as like a discourse.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
It feels very obvious to me that the priority should
not be trying to win games in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Yeah, because when does the guy with a amstring injury?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (28:03):
Yeah, Usually it's it's pretty cut and dry, right, a
major injury. You're like, Okay, this guy's out for the season,
and this was like, yeah, he's on the sideline, might
need some work done. It's like, oh, we'll just punt
on the season. I do think the more and more
I've thought about it, I thought that Micah Parsons comment
and listen, like maybe he didn't actually mean what he
was saying, but the way it came off, you know,
(28:25):
for a guy listen. I don't know Mike personally, but
he's not a big like take shots to his own
team guy when they're losing, like he's pretty professional. Was
a pretty low level thing to say. And that's something
you say when you know the head coach is not
in charge, doesn't like Mike won a Super Bowl before Micah,
and I do think that's kind of reflective or a
reflection of just like the Cowboys operation right now, Like
(28:49):
for the most part, like one thing, Dak is great
at Tyron Smith forever, like really high class guys. And
I thought that Micah thing was like, ugh, that's kind
of cringey. This whole well, you know, the Jerry all
the comments, it feels like it's starting to unravel and
like might might not be a good enough coach, but
like he's not to me, it's hard for me to
(29:11):
involve him in all that craft. So I think the Cowboys,
I mean they've kind of hit the point of you know,
like Al Davis is in the two thousand and seven
eighty nine, that's kind of what Jerry feels like on
like a richer, more prestigious level, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, absolutely, And he doesn't want to pay for curtains either.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
I mean, Jerry, no one can see Jery, no one.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
John, We appreciate it every week. Haveing, uh great rest
of the week. Enjoy week eleven coming up, and we'll
talk to you next week, you guess. John Middlecalff, NFL analyst,
former NFL Scout, host of the Three and Out podcast,
as he joins the Doug Gottlieb Show every week.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. He's Aaron Torres. I'm
Dan Bayer sitting in for Doug today. Hit airin up
at Aaron underscore torys. You can find me at Dan
Byer on Fox. Jason Stewart's here. Technical producers Iowa Sam
and Manzi Blanos is at the news desk and she's
got a game.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
This is game Time Game Shag on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Manzi, Jiz, what do we got today?
Speaker 9 (30:24):
Well, it's Tuesday. It's how I keep track of my
week with game time. So what are we playing today?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Rank them? Rank them? That is right?
Speaker 9 (30:31):
All right, fellas, you're going to rank a variety of things.
We're going to start in the NFL. We're more than
halfway through the season, So rank the top three teams
in the NFL for me, Do you want.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
To do separate rankings? Because I got mine ready to go.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah, let's rank.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I believe that the Lions have been the best team
in the NFL. For weeks, even though they don't have
the best record. So I'm going Lions number one. I
will go Chiefs number two, and welcome back to the ranking.
In the top three, the Philadelphia Eagles. Yes, I believe
the Eagles are the third best team right now in
the National.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Football You know what's crazy, you have the exact same list.
I was thinking.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
About putting Philiate three, and I thought it'd be too
controversial for a midweek Tuesday. You know, I didn't want
you know, I didn't want Dug getting phone calls about
my controversial top three. So, by the way, should add
my preseason Super Bowl pick was Detroit over.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Case No, I had Casey over Detroit.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Well, so I'll flip it up because I don't think
the undefeated matters, but I do think it's hard to
not say that. I don't think the Chiefs are playing
the best, but they are the best by definition in
my opinion, because of the record, because of their their history, whatever.
If the Vikings were undefeated, I wouldn't necessarily say they
have to be number one.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
So Chiefs won Lions to I'll say Ravens three.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
But I've seriously thought about Philadelphia and I would.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Probably have them at number four and playing very well.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
Right now, Yeah, those all those answers.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Went out on a limb with that chief Super Bowl pick. No,
I picked the Lions over the Chiefs. But the Chiefs
and the Super Bowl, I know.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Three p coming. It's coming, y'all.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Let me tell you, did you pick against the Yukon
women too? Just to be different? I have the Lions Bills.
That's what I have happened me too. Wow, the Bills,
they make the player in the AFC seven.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Years in a row.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Way to go out on a limb, dand.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
In the Super Bowl they haven't been there since Super
Bowl twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Four straight Super Bowls. Wait to go out on a
limb there.
Speaker 9 (32:33):
Okay, rank the top three teams in college foot mo.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Dan, you want to go go ahead, Torres, All right,
I will say Oregon number one, dominance. I'm gonna say
Texas to Yeah, Texas, I think they're the best team
in the SEC. And I'll say number three. I'll say
Dan Buyer's Ohio State Buck. Guys don't love them every saturd.
(33:00):
I do think Chip Kelly has been a big difference
for them that way.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I love how Texas is just good enough that Will
Howard slides like a half second too late. So like
that's where he is, because that's where that's That's the
difference between Oregon and Ohio State right now is Will
Howard not knowing how much time is on the clock.
I mean, if you're gonna have Oregon one, I think
Ohio State's got to be two. They had him there.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
In Praskeagon doesn't count for anything. No, absolutely not, absolutely not.
They I mean they almost won in Eugene and we're
a pause and a pump fake away from attempting that
game winning field goal. So I have Oregon won, Ohio
State two. I'll have Texas in a number three.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
That's by that.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Argument the definit you could say, well, if it was
a neutral field or in the horseshoe, Ohio State would
have won, So you could have Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Sure you really the results, yes, the results of it.
I just think I just think that Oregon and Ohio
State have to be right there because of how close
that game was.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
All right, final one here fellas we got time.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Don't worry. I'm not biased or anything. It's totally coming
from a non emotion.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
We didn't think you were biased you're fine, You're fine.
Speaker 9 (34:06):
Top three sports teams in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Well, how about this DePaul basketball three and OH for
the first time in like secret years.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, I saw it was u I c doing. I'm
not too sure he all right to look up. The
fame's gone Northwestern, so I'm not sure how Chris Collins,
OH Wildcats are doing.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
It was de Paul at three and OH has matched
their win total from a season ago, so they got.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
To be number one.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
All right, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Black Hawk's still a thing they doing.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Okay, I don't know the Bulls are not doing.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
Ocur.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I put the Cubs too, And do we put the
Chicago Sky in?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Yeah? Yes, definitely.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Let's put the Chicago Sky in at number three.
Speaker 9 (34:56):
And that's game time.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Showy Dame.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I was hoping Manzi would let us rank our top
three WNBA players right after that cost some controversy going to.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
The Northwestern that's Chicago's college football team, Buckeyes in Northwestern
at Wrigley Field coming up on Saturday. How about that one?
He's eron Torres. I'm dan Byer. College football playoff rankings
come out Tonight we break down what we think is
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