December 9, 2024 • 57 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Bills' loss to the Rams Sunday and explains how the way Coach Sean McDermott handled the clock late did not help their chances in the comeback.
In this edition of Love AND Hate, Doug and the crew share what they loved most and hated most about the sports weekend.
Doug shares the story of his interesting weekend with his Green Bay Phoenix basketball team. Doug welcomes college football insider Brett McMurphy onto the show to discuss the college football playoff bracket.
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how is your weekend? Mine was interesting? Interesting. We'll get
to what's going on in my college basketball program up coming,
But man, do do we have a lot to get
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to and and this is not the part I want
to get to, But I want to talk about the
Buffalo Bills, not just their loss, but their lack of
clock management at the end of a game. But what
it's like to coach and you know, it's really interesting.
David Blatt, who's a legendary coach overseas, he obviously played
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college basketball Princeton and for a short period of time
was the head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers. He once
upon a time said that coaching the NBA game is
like a fighter pilot. You have to make two hundred decisions,
you know, in a short period of time. And there
are a lot of people in the media who criticized
him for that, and those people are all people that
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have never coached. Because again, I'll just give you an
example in terms of college basketball coaching. College basketball coaching,
you know, we're down seven at the end of the
first half on Saturday night, and there's I think fifty
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seconds to go. We have two fouls to give and
oh yeah, by the way, we want to limit them
to one possession. So we had talked with players in
college basketball, there's a rule in the first half, when
the ball goes through the basket, the clock runs. The
shot clock doesn't start until you catch the ball and
start dribbling the basketball where you catch the ball. So
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I made the mistake of switching defenses on the next
to last possession. They hit us for a layup, and
then and then we instead of and we had worked
on it and drilled it the two days before that.
In this particular scenario, we would let the ball bounce,
switch who is going to take the ball in bounds,
tie your shoes if you want, whatever you want to do,
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as long as we don't throw the ball in mounds,
and bleed the clock until about thirty one thirty two
where we could hold for the last shot. And one
of our guys just forgot threw the ball inbounds. We
bring it up the court, we don't score. They come down.
Now all of a sudden, we do have the opportunity
to foul twice. We foul once with like thirteen seconds
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to go. We want to foul again under seven seconds
to go, and our guy misses committing the foul and
they hit a three pointer, and so instead of being
down seven or maybe even being down five, we're down thirteen.
And it was really really difficult. I bring that up
because it's like we had planned for it, and I
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would say collectively, everyone kind of screwed up. If one
person screws up, everybody screws up. And then I was
watching the bills take on the La Rams yesterday, are
first in goal to go with just over a minute
to go, and you know, on first down, instead of
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calling timeouts or or bleeding the clock at all, you
should throw the football, like if you're going to run it,
you can only run it if it's on fourth down.
You feel like everyone knows that because if it's incomplete,
the clock stops. It's not what the Bills did. Here's
Tom Brady on the call, but you got it.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
He did not, and now they're going to have to
use a time out.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
To your point, and that that's an onside kick. It
changes the thought process.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, we've got a three percent chance on an outside
kick to me, take three shots thrown it, don't use
a timeout, and then you can kick it deep, use
your three timeouts and still get the ball good time.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Try the long field goal. That changed that.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
That changes the entire complexity of the last minute two
seconds of the game.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
If they score, what's the big deal.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
We're gonna have to go for a three percent chance
for anfside jem But not like that one day.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Here's Sean McDermott, the head coach of the Bills, on
calling the timeout.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
We had three and we were trying to conserve timeouts.
We were actually in a situation that we call red alert,
which says, hey, if you get in field goal range,
you're down between eleven and nine points in that situation, right,
So get in field goal range and you take the
points so that you can play normal defense and hold
those timeouts and everything. So we were never really in
a position of deficit that we would say, hey, it's
second and long, let's go ahead and take the field
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goal here and come back and use the timeout.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So, yeah, it still doesn't explain it. I think the
only thing you can say is screwed up. Shouldn't run
the football, shouldn't have had a sneak, just shouldn't have,
but instead you end up scoring. Here's Josh Allen, the
quarterback of the Buffalo Bills, and by many people's estimation,
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in the MVP of the league on the timeout.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Again.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
It's in theory probably, but again it's in the heat
of the battle and I gotta find a way to
get the end zone.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, that's the wrong that's the wrong answer. It's the
wrong answer. I screwed up is the only correct answer there.
I guess and maybe I didn't hear if the question
was asked, was this did you call the sneak or
was it called from the sidelines, because and I know
Dan Bayer, he works on Sunday. I'm sure yelling at
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the TV what are they doing? What are they doing? What?
What are you actually doing here? Right? And and Josh's
answer is so one hundred percent, Hey I got to
get in the end zone. And I'm sure he's thinking, hey,
I got to cover for my OC or maybe cover
for my own decision. But the proper answer is we
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screwed up. I mean, even Sean McDermott with a bunch
of words salad about what they were in, like nobody cares.
Why didn't you throw the football on first down? If
it's incomplete, on second down, if it's incoplete on third down,
and then the only time you can run the football
is on fourth down. That way, you have three timeouts
in your back pocket, you kick it off, you have
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to get a stop. At most you use up ten seconds,
maybe twelve seconds. You never got the football back. You
still could have had the three percent of getting the
on side kick and then had the three timeouts. Also
possibility could have increased the odds of you getting the
football back. Take the three percent. All of that stuff
could be true. Oh yeah, and you got a penalty
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when you did score a touchdown, which forced the extra
point back even further, which was again another it's things
you just can't do. I don't care if you were
punching and grabbing and hitting and doing things at the
bottom of the pile, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. And then
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you watch in successive games that game, flip over to
NBC Football Night in America, and as a Charger fan,
I believe I've seen that movie. I knew how it ended.
And then you start to go, hey, wait a second,
this is the year for the Buffalo Bills. This is it.
This is the year. Forget about the Chiefs record. We've
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seen what they do against the Bills. They're not that talented.
They're just okay. But you had to know at the
end of that game with the Chargers, once the Chargers
took a one point lead, as soon as the ball
is kicked off, you're like, I know how this ends.
I just don't know if I should watch or not. Right,
I just don't know if I should watch or not.
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And the Chiefs win, and you get from everybody Chiefs
aren't good, they don't out do they win. And the
only only thing you can say is the Chiefs know
how to win. And it is absolutely the hardest thing
to teach in coaching is how to win. And it's
not just a player thing, it's a coaching thing. If
you don't believe me, I give you the juxtaposition of
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the Buffalo Bills and they're nemesis the Kansas City Chiefs,
who of course famously came back and tied the game
in thirteen seconds going back three years ago. And look,
I want Buffalo to win. I would love it. That city.
I don't know if any city really deserves that, that
city deserves a championship. I don't know. But those fans,
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the Bills mafia do. The Bills team is great. That's
a good football team. And it doesn't mean they would
have won the game. But you can't tell me that
you're playing these percentages and you have all these percentage chances,
which is all you're calculating when you're on the bench,
when you're coaching, or your quarterback or your offensive coordinator,
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you have to calcul late percentage chances of completion of incompletion,
of getting the football back, of stopping, et cetera. That's
all you're doing. It's calculated, guess, and then you run
the football on first down. Don't make any sense.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
I can dug, I can make some sense of Sean
McDermott's word salad, which makes the whole deal even more confusing.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Go for it.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
So what McDermott was talking about was because of their
situation and where they were on the scoreboard, that they
could have kicked a field goal in that scenario where
they converted on a fourth and fifteen because of a
pass interference penalty which got him down to the Rams
sixteen yard line at any you know, at any point
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in that scenario they just they need. They could have
kicked the field goal and made it a six point
gain because it was forty four to thirty five at
that point. So his word salad is explaining why they
didn't kick the field goal earlier. They could have kicked
the field goal on first and goal at the one
instead of running that Josh Allen Steak, Now, maybe not
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the best option, considering you are so close and to
your point you want to throw the ball into the
end zone. But I would even argue this that with
three timeouts, you didn't even have to call a time
out there if your whole plan was to get the
defensive stop because of the pile of players, and that's
where the delay of game on the second part. I
don't know if the players thought that he was in
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or wasn't in and didn't want to waste time, but
you didn't even need to call a timeout. You would
have wasted fifteen or twenty seconds, which would have been wasteful.
But it was just so imperative to keep the three
timeouts because the Rams could run forty seconds off the clock.
If you didn't have one of those timeouts, you could
have kicked deep. If you had all three of those
timeouts and held them and said, all right, we've got
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twenty seconds, let's get one play to maybe getting field
goal range, and then we'll have a chance at it.
But taking that time out, and by the way, it's
not the only time it's happened in the NFL this year.
The Browns completely botched it against the Raiders in the
game in Las Vegas did the same thing, had all
their timeouts and then used one and basically gave up
any hope of them winning. But that's what the head
coach is there for, is to get in the way
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and to make sure that you stick to your plan
in that way. So yeah, I don't know who called
the timeout, I don't know who had the play call,
but it all falls on the shoulders of McDermott and
Josh Allen knew it right away as soon as they
called the timeout. You saw him on the sidelines after
the touchdown. Knew that they had lost the game.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yep, yep, yep. And I think I feel like Josh Allen,
I would give him credit because his answer sounded like
somebody who didn't want to throw anybody under the bus.
Hey I gotta find the INSNT. But I will also
point out that that is one that you need to
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as a quarterback audibilize and go like, hey, we got
to get us out of this. Can't sneak to football
if we don't, we're not if we're not going to
get it.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
And it was at the one yard line.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It wasn't wasn't it. The one was that the half
yard line wasn't the one foot line or line. That
is a very big distinction, very big distinction, and it's
amazing right. Again, the juxtaposition of those two games, those
two teams back to back, I'll be a different networks
that you're watching a team competing for the one seed
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just beat the Chiefs. And again, it doesn't mean they
would have won the game, but they gave away any
chance of winning that game with that one timeout. And
then you get the Chiefs who, for all intentsive purposes,
could have been dead in the water yet again, and
they find a way to get it done. Because of
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the Chiefs. It's not just Pat Mahomes, it's not just
Andy Reid. It's that entire team knows how to win.
And it's not that they don't make mistakes, but when
it gets to the fourth quarter, more often than not,
they play with an air of confidence and precision that
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we haven't seen long time. We haven't seen a long time.
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here man. A beautiful day in Green Bay, Wisconsin. I
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know it's the cold is coming in a couple of days,
but we get fifty in Sonny. I know you guys
got about seventy two and Sonny out in the West Coast.
Wild weekend in sports Ton to get to. We do
this every Monday on the show. We call it love
and Hey what did you love? God? I love you?
And what did you hate? We need these Claire Hays
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ah love Love Love you know, Dan Meyer, let's start
with you. What'd you love? On the weekend?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
I love how the Seahawks went to Arizona and took
two Kyler Murray early turnovers, turned them into points and
never looked back. That stadium has been a house of
horrors for the Seahawks, most notably Super Bowl forty nine,
A lot of crazy stuff happens in Arizona, and I,
in fact, was bracing myself for some crazy stuff, and
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I wasn't sure that the Seahawks were gonna be able
to handle it. There was no Kenneth Walker the third,
but Zach Charboney filled in admirably. Seahawks got it done
on the ground, got it done in the air, and
got it done defensively, and sitting there at eight and five,
firmly in the NFL playoff picture. Then I the division
wrapped up just yet, and they've got some difficult games
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coming up, including next week home against the Packers, but
a solid, solid win for the Seahawks to rise to
eight and five and lead the NFC West, and because
of the situation in the NFC South, would actually be
the third seed in the NFC playoffs if the playoffs
were to start today. So excited about the Seahawks and
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the new regime under Mike McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Big Apple. Sam.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Oh, it's been a while since you called me that one.
I was hoping that that would go well. So, oh, yeah,
it's the one. It's quanta. Yeah, it's the reminder, Juan
Soda is a reminder that I am in fact, Big
Apple Sam. My love of the weekend is a coaches
being weird in front of the microphone. So often, you know,
especially if you work in this industry, you listen to
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a lot of press conferences and comments from coke and players,
and it's just the same, just cliched and trite crap
over and over again. You know, we're out there grinding,
you know, we're given one hundred and ten percent. It's cliches.
I like it when coaches kind of mess with you
a little bit and just kind of get strange and
just do their own thing. Like That's why I miss
Mike Leach so much, because he always had a lot
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of fun things to say. But case in point here
from the weekend, Mike Brown of the Sacramento Kings. Listen,
they put up they've won their last two, three of
their last four. They put up one hundred and forty
plus points in the last two games. But he's really
trying to hammer some things home with his team. Let's
listen to little audio here.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Just need to be methodical by stacking or playing the
right way. Possession after possession after possession, Okay, after possession
after possession, Wow, after possession. I would just keep going
after possession after possession. Wow, after possession. This just keeps
after possession, Doug. Make itsef after possession, after possession, after possession,
after possession.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Okay, you get the point. He went twenty six times
on that, which is just range. He's kind of borrowing
a page from like Family Guy, where you just repeat
the same joke until it's like, you're so weird it
out it's just funny, and you start I just started
laughing at that. I'm like, he just went on and on.
So my love of the weekend is just coaches being
weird and just uh making everybody else in the room
feel weird. I think that's hilarious. And Mike Brown, you're
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a strange guy, but you're a good coach, so you
can do that.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Hmm. Okay, Jay Stu, I'll let you find something you
love from the weekend.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Just to clarify, the last love was Mike Brown and
coaches that make a media.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
After possession after possession going crazy here we're taking crazy
after it's like that.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
And I know you love this line, Doug, because I
think that it's actually in our system marked with your
name on it. But it's a Leonardo DiCaprio and the
Avier Aviator going it's a way of the future, it's
a way of the future. And yeah, he just keeps
repeating that and it's just sort of weird. So that
was my love. Yeah, my love. I'm a weird guy.
I love weird stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
I love that the Mets signed Juan Soto. And you
must be thinking, why, as a Dodger found would you
love that? Because I've been paying attention to what happens
when Mets signed big free agent deals. I don't know
if they're cursed or they just have bad judgment or both.
But tell me the last free agent deal that worked out.
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And I know you're gonna say Francisco Lindor because he
was an MVP candidate this past season. Don't forget that
for the first three years of his deal he was
considered a disappointment. Yes, Surezer, Max Schurzer, awful signing didn't
work out. Justin Verlander, awful signing didn't work out. I'm
going to go back to names like Johann Santana, Jason Bay,
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Jonas Cespidus And if you think I'm getting into the
weeds of free agent signings by the Mets to prove
a point. That's exactly what I'm doing. Jan Soto's not
going to work out, and he's going to make sure
the Mets spend a lot of money for a cursed team.
Thank you, Mets.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I got a lot that I love from this weekend.
Love to have my daughter Grays in town. She was great.
Unfortunately she saw us lose Saturday. But I will tell
you what I saw is we about twenty five hundred
people in attendance of the game on Saturday against Cleveland State.
And I'm sure they were disappointed that I didn't play
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Anthony Roy And when they learned the reason why, I
think a good portion of them would really probably understood.
But this is weird. You know. We we were down
I think twenty three in the second half. I called
time out and I looked around and I said to
my staff, none of them are leaving. You know, it's
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a Saturday, Saturday afternoon. Could go go do Christmas shopping,
can do a million other things. A lot of people,
a ton of people here in northeast Wisconsin ago hunting,
and they'd be like, man, I go and get a dusk,
go shoot something. Take my frustrations out they stayed. They stayed.
It was crazy, Like honestly, because I was grabbing my jacket,
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I was ready to leave. But that was really really cool.
And if you have that level of support and buy in,
you're onto something. So we're close. I feel really really
good about it. Didn't feel good in the moment, but
feel good what we're building. And when I looked around
I saw that nobody left. I was like, man, I
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got some other things that I love from the weekend.
I love Clemson winning the ACC championship. When I told
you to start the year that there's a lot of
people in college athletics rooting for Clemson because although Clemson
gives all credit to the Lord and Savior, there should
be at least a little bit of credit to the
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fact that they stuck with culture over the portal and ultimately,
I guess you're rewarded for it. I don't think the
ACC is nearly that of the SEC. Case in point,
Clemson lose the week before at home to South Carolina,
but that doesn't take away from what they were able
to accomplish. And then a freshman kicker comes in and
kicks a fifty six yarder that was awesome, So those
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are the things I love. Let's get to what we
hated from the weekend, Jason Stewart. This segment was basically
created for this moment. Will repass the reins to you,
and you're the ultimate hater. Would you hate?
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Right now? There's going to be listeners driving around that
are going to say, why does this guy always spend
his hate on fantasy football? And I'm going I'm gonna
take a step back and say, I've been on this
for more than a year. Okay. The NFL needs to
appreciate and even cater to fantasy football owners. Tens of thousands,
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if not hundreds of thousands of dollars are exchange every
year and fantasy football teams around the country. The NFL
needs to not only acknowledge that, but cater to it,
because as their product worsens, the actual people tuning in
to see a good product are waning, and the people
that have gambling interest in the game and fantasy owners
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are watching your product. So to have a buy on
Week fourteen of a fantasy football season means that you
are taking away good players from managers that need their
good players to make the playoffs. In Week fourteen, the
last regular season game. Case in point, yesterday, Josh Allen
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had the greatest performance in the history of fantasy football
by a quarterback. Okay, that means that if you had
him on your team, good for you. And how unlucky
is that if you had to face Josh Allen yesterday
and your playoffs were on the line. I'm going to
take it to a third layer, which is my example.
I had to set Lamar Jackson and Za Flowers and
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I went up against Josh Allen. So thanks to the
NFL for offering up a bye in Week fourteen when
I personally needed a win where I couldn't play Lamar
Jackson and I had to face Josh Allen. So NFL,
I hate you for not appreciating your fantasy owners.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I don't know if I've ever told you this rule, Jason,
because though we've been friends for a long time, we
haven't worked together nearly as long as me and Dan
have worked together, or even Sam has worked together. You
know the three things that nobody actually cares about, right.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
You're bad beating poker, your golf round.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, nobody cares about your golf score. Nobody cares about
your vacation, and nobody cares about your fantasy football team.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Or your NCAA. Brackett right that.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
As well, Sam set me hate it form the.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
Weekend, well, this sort of encapsulates all the weekend plus
the day surrounding. I've basically had a headache for like
since Thursday. I've had a headache since Thursday. I had
a really visious headache on Thursday. I had to leave
the premiere holiday party early because it was bothering me
and I couldn't go to I didn't want to go
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to Ben Mallor's Christmas party Saturday night, Holiday party Saturday
night because I didn't feel up to it. So it's
been sort of annoying. It hasn't been as bad as
it was Thursday, but it still hasn't left me. It's
kind of come and gone. That's quite annoying. Really hate that.
So I woke up Saturday feeling okay, I guess, but
then I endured a Saturday suck fest from teams from
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the state of Iowa. Woke up ready to watch Iowa
State and Arizona State battle it out. This is like
a no two three point game where Arizona State was
favored in the third quarter, they were I was State
was already down twenty four to ten enter the third quarter.
They turned over three times and the game became an
absolute laugh for embarrassment. So that kind of put me.
I was like, you know, they really kind of, you know,
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messed themselves on the big stage, So that kind of
put me in a sour mood. Then I watched Iowa
go up to Michigan in the Chrysler Arena and really
battled tough with the Michigan Wolverines. They end up losing
by two eighty five eighty three. Great game, but lost
that game. And then the last thing I had ready
to kind of pet my spirits up was undefeated Iowa
number seventeen at the time, taking on undefeated Tennessee and
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women's basketball and Iowa had a one point lead with
three forty to go ended up losing by ten. So
at the end of the day, I was pretty sour.
My head was hurting. That was definitely a suck fest.
And then you know what, I'm just gonna throw this
in too, doink for the division ticks me off because
I'm sick of this. I'm sick of the Chiefs always
being in great position to just find a way to win,
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their backup kicker doinks it in. It should have gone
back into the end zone, and it doinks in for
the division, and it's like, you know, it's it's just like,
I know, you make your own luck, I know, but
I'm just seeing sick of it. I'm getting sick of
the Chiefs. And then like Heidi Gardner, the SNL cast member,
with her little oddly I don't know, I even know
how to her little introduction of the Chiefs, I was like,
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this didn't really hit the mark with me. So I'm
just kind of irritated that to Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes is
ten and two now against against the Chargers. I'm getting
sick of them, and I listen, they're gonna win until
like she, like Heidi Gardner, said, do something about it.
I'm just irritated that doing for the division really irritated
me with my headaching.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
The going for the division, Dan Buyer, I really didn't
have a lot to hate from this past weekend. I
didn't like the college football playoff bracket, and I know
we're going to dive into some of that, but it's
a branch off of that which actually bothers me about it.
I understand the need to get this information out there,
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but to have the release an hour before kickoff of
an NFL week completely sucks any of the I don't know,
emotion or excitement, I don't know what it is. But
you jam that in at nine o'clock and then we
all switched to for our local tim here on the
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West coast New Eastern and then the game start an
hour later and you're focusing on that. It just kind
of leaves college football in the dust and makes it
such a such an afterthought. I could say the conference
championship games for that matter, but I think Clemson would
say these things do matter. But I just don't like
the selection show. Now that you have twelve teams, there
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is drama, there is more to it. Jamming it in
before a full week of NFL games is just not
a good idea in my mind.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I just hate the utter and sheer dishonesty of people
that matter, you know, not fans. I understand fans, you
know you want to claim this team or that team
or whatever. But people that know, no, you know, they
just do. I'm not saying that every great team has
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to have a twenty million dollars payroll. Perfect example is
you know, Dan's the Ohio State fan. That's not a
perfect football team. Okay, it's not. I've never been a
Will Howard guy. You know, he's an elite level quarterback.
But they they have better personnel than everybody in that league.
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That league is not does not spend the money that
the SEC does. And it's like the only honest people
are NFL gms who draft all these guys because they
sit there and go like, I mean, like you can
find a couple of guys at these other schools, but
they just have dudes, and you know, it's it's very
similar to recruiting, only obviously they're more refined in that
(29:34):
it's not one guy here, one guy there, right, like
the what's the kid's name in Boise State? I mean
he's so good, genty whatever? Yes, gent, I mean that
story is amazing, right, grows up in Italy playing football.
They're like, it's he's an incredible player. But I mean,
can we ask ourselves what their record would be in
the SEC? Like what are we doing? You know? And
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I'll tell you the other thing that's interesting, and maybe
this this is an upshoot of it is if you're
a running back, you're probably smarter to go to a
Boise State to a non Power five because you won't
just get destroyed physically by the depth of talent, especially
on defensive lines in that league. I just I don't
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know why more people aren't honest, because when we talk
to each other as coaches, like in basketball, everybody says
what I'm saying, which is like, it's a different sport.
You know, we went and played Ohio State and it
was a seven point game with twelve eleven to go.
But then you're looking and it's not just their starters.
It said all their guys off the bench, and again
(30:39):
like part of it is they may not be great,
but they're all older. Because all the older guys are like, hey,
I'm not going to be an NBA player. I need
to get paid in college. So I just wish more
people will be honest and say, what are we doing
with SMU Indiana? The Big Ten is not at the
level of the SEC. It hasn't been for twenty years.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Well, who won the national championship last year.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Doug Michigan, Yeah, I said the Big Ten. I didn't
say yeah, And that was a that was a loaded
team that was built over several years with the most
draft picks of anybody.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
Yeah, and this year's to ten two in the last
ten years, So great, what's.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Over the last twenty years? And by the way, again
like Michigan was awesome last year, awesome, I'm awesome. What
happened in Texas came in this year like it wasn't
even competitive, It's not even the closes the same sport.
Like you can sit here and give me this kind
of one off here, one off there. I'm telling you,
ask anyone in the sport, Ask just an NFLGM, like, Hey,
(31:40):
what's it like to go to or go to an
SEC game? Stand in the field and just sit there
and then look around and then go to any of
these other ladies. You're like this, it looks like JV
versus varsity. So I know we wanted to be like Hoosiers.
I know we wanted to be like the NCAA tournament.
And I think you will see an upset here or there,
(32:03):
but I think it's been created artificially by what they've
done with this bracket.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Well, let's also be honest, if we're going to get
into this conversation when they set out this bracket again,
this is a two year bracket. We will probably get
something different in two years. By no means do they
think that a group of five school would end up
being the third seed. No way, know how they did
not think that that would be possible. Just I mean,
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and here they are because of the ACC and the
Big twelve and the changes that we've seen of Boise
State being the third seed. That's not even my biggest problem.
It's how they got there, just the fact of Doug
your pointing a lot to the SEC and now it's
just a better league and I can bring another one
off to the table. But I'm more on your side
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in saying not that I think that the SEC is better.
What I think that the committee fails to do is
they want to know how you are in your worst date,
not how you are in your best day. So they
only look at the losses and they feel that that's
the way to be able to sift things out. Look,
Alabama lost on the road to Oklahoma, and it's very
easy to point and say, yeah, don't lose by twenty
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one points to an average Oklahoma team. It's so easy
to do that. It's what they would do with Ohio
State all the time. Don't get blown out by Iowa.
Don't get blown out by Purdue. Understand all of that.
But that was with a fourteen bracket. How about looking
about who you beat? Who did you beat on your
best day? Who are your wins? Yes, like those are.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
The way you can sing that in church. They here's
the other thing. Wait, wait, wait, can I give you
one more? Yeah, you gotta add to it. Okay, you
and I know this, and Sam will probably lie and
say it's not true. But it's very similar to when
Ohio State was you know, in the Big Ten they
had the split divisions. Michigan State was good, and you'd
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had Michigan State and Michigan and Penn State and Ohio
State and the other side. You had some joke of it.
You know, it was like a completely it was a
JV level thing, and so like who you Yeah, you
could lose to Iowa, but hey, we just played Michigan State,
Penn State. We had a week off, then we played
Michigan after playing Iowa. Like that's totally different than playing
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Minnesota and and Indiana and Illinois and all these other
other things, like even within the Big Ten. That's the
whole point. The point is not that the big tens things.
The problem is Indiana didn't play the good teams and
the one they did they couldn't move the ball against.
So again, what are you you make a great point?
Who would you beat in your best day? I just
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it's so flawed, it's really silly.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
They also do know how to put a bracket together.
Ye look at look at how Oregon was set up.
So it's like, congrats Oregon. You get a rematch with
Ohio State or Tennessee and then you'll get possibly what
Texas were thinking and that in that next round, well,
Penn State gets SMU and Boise State possibly on the
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way to the semi finals. And it's meant no disrespect
to SMU and Boise State, but that's who you're picking
the play. You wouldn't pick any of the other schools.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Oh no, no, if Orgon could be I know they
beat poised by one, Like if they could say, if
you got at the first seat, hey you can play
anybody you want. They probably pick SMU first and Boise
or Indiana second. And by the way, why is in
Arizona State playing the fiesta? Why are we shipping them
to the peach Like what are we doing? Like, yeah,
(35:35):
they get home field advantage. They won the Big Twelve,
you make them a top four seed, you get in
play it are getting to play in town, then you
fill up the stadium. I just I so many dumb things. Anyway,
that's loving a.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
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It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. We're on Fox Swarts Radio.
Brett McMurphy will join us upcoming. He's college football inside
of the Action Network. I mean, like, listen, there's all
so much stuff that went on this weekend, including my
alma mater right where Friday there was a standoff between
Oklahoma State Board Regions and Mike Gundy, and Saturday there
(36:19):
was a reworked contract. Brett McMurphy's also an Oklahoma State alum.
He was all over that one. We'll talk to college
football playoff upcoming, and I'll get to what I liked
what I hated about the bracket. Do you guys mind
if I talk about my weekend and what happened in
(36:39):
social media and everything. Sure? Yeah, it was. It was interesting,
so to those of you who are just starting to
listen to the show. My name is Doug Gottlieb. I've
been doing this for a minute. This is year. We're
creeping up on year twenty two of National Sports Radio
twenty one years and for the last sixteen we've been
(37:02):
doing this time slot, and this is the third network
to do it. This is the eighth year at Fox
Sports Radio. In May, I was hired as head coach
of Green Bay so U dubbed Green Bay or a
Division one men's basketball program in the Horizon League. And
I have a young team. You know, we got eighteen kids,
(37:23):
thirteen new ones. So I'm inexperienced at this level and
they're inexperienced and we're learning together. And this level is
different than other levels of Division one basketball, and many
many schools at our level will play a Division two
team or a three team in their season, you know,
to continue to get their confidence and the record looks
(37:45):
a little bit better. We do have a Division two
game coming up, but we only have one, and you
can have multiple, you can have up to four really
if you want. We chose not to do that to
challenge ourselves and because at this level you're really playing
for Fabrus March, trying to play your best basketball. You
win your conference tournament, you go to the NCAA tournament.
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But don't get me wrong, I mean it's hard. And
right now we sit at two and eight and we
feel like we let a couple get away. But as
I said, with football, hardest thing to do is teach
your team how to win, how to win. So Wednesday
we lost to IUI, that's Indiana University at Indianapolis. It's
(38:27):
kind of gut wrenching up six at the half on
the road conference opener, but we let it get away
from us and we end up we end up losing.
So we come home and we got Cleveland State, and
we had just talked to the players about about entitlement,
and it's over like little things, you know, like I
(38:48):
don't have any guys that I wouldn't allow to date
one of my daughters. I don't want any of my
players to date my daughters. But you know, it's like
I don't have guys that I have any real concerns
about them as people. But there are things, little things.
Somebody left an orange peel on the bus, Like what
are we doing, guys? This is not how we represent ourselves.
(39:13):
So Saturday's game, we played Cleveland State, another team that frankly,
they've been struggling. They're in the same boat as we are.
And we felt like we had made some changes to
what we were doing defensively, we felt like the offense
that evolved some felt really good going into the game,
(39:33):
and because we had let one get away that we
collectively and me personally thought we had a good chance
of winning. I was excited for Saturday home game. Two o'clock.
My daughter Grace is here. I just thought, man, this
is good. And I did not play. The nation's leading scorer.
(39:56):
His name is Anthony Roy. He's not just the nation's
leading scorer. He's also the most efficient shooter in the country.
Leads the country in three point field goal percentage for
the amount of you know, you have to take a
certain amount of takes per game, and he late leads
it an effective field goal percentage. He's also close to
ninety percent of the free throw line and he passes
(40:16):
as well, so offensive statistics wise, he's having an amazing season,
an amazing season, and we have to learn to play
better with him. He has to learn to continue to
make others around him better, when to go, when not
to go, when to get frustrated, et cetera, et cetera.
But I didn't play him, and we didn't have nearly
(40:41):
the offense to get it done. We lost by twenty
two points. So there were a couple of cat calls
during the game why did I play him? And I
addressed him and he just didn't play. So after the
game we had a press conference and I, of course
was asked about it. And there's a little coal reporter
who I like a great deal, and he asked several
questions and I just said, well, I think we do
(41:04):
have the we have some of the pressure, don't we. Yeah. Yeah,
here's my longest answer to why he didn't play. I mean,
it's the coaching decision. I'm Mike, like I'm not I'm
not going to like open the door and say, well,
this is how it goes. I made a decision not
to play him, and that's it. Mathat he's good in
(41:26):
the bench. I thought he was good in the locker room. Okay,
it's the things we asked him to do. He does,
then he'll play, and if he doesn't, then he won't.
You know. It's like, what's the point of doing this
if we're not going to do it the right way.
The expression we use is how we do anything, is
how we do everything. And just a decision I made
based upon a couple of things which had been lingering
(41:46):
and nom just coaching decision. So uh, I kind of
left it at that, and I had no desire to
or nothing had anything to do with social media or
people making comments about it. Jay Sue, did you see
that that video had two million views as of today?
Speaker 5 (42:09):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
It's nuts. Player's name's Anthony Roy is a great dude,
and he tweeted yesterday and he apologized for missing shoot around.
It was at nine o'clock, he arrived at ten fifteen,
missing shoot around and how it put all of us
in a bad place, and he accepted full responsibility. He
(42:33):
said it was really humbling to sit there and have
to watch the game, and he won't do it again.
He's gonna learn from his mistakes. He thanked me for
holding him accountable and he's ready to go play. But
just an unbelievable experience in your first year because you
got the cheat code sitting right there right like literally
he's a cheat code. But you know what the right
(42:57):
thing to do is you know that if you act
to that, well, then what's the next thing? What are
you going to hold him accountable? Before? And I also
was really proud that I didn't tell everybody what happened.
It was hard, Like I was like, hey, he didn't
even show up for shoot around, like what is that?
But I didn't. He shared it with the world. He
was accountable. And now we have our tribal Milwaukee coming
(43:19):
up on on Wednesday. All right, so Doug Gottlieb show
here on Fox Sports Radio. So I had myself quite
the weekend. So too did my alma mater. So too
did our next guest, Brett McMurphy. As we had the
first ever college football playoff bracket that's come out. I
have plenty of my own feelings, but I got a
couple more hours of this show. Brett. When you saw
(43:41):
the bracket come out, what was your immediate reactions?
Speaker 9 (43:47):
It was basically what I expected, what I had projected
the night before. I actually had Clempson. I thought they
would put Clempson at eleven and asked the year at
twelve because of the head to head. But then you know,
looking at it more, it gets all convoluted because South
Carolina was in there. In South Carolina, just be Clemson.
But I thought, Doug that and look, this is what
(44:11):
makes the playoffs so fascinating, so frustrating, is that there's
no clear cut reason for picking these teams. So on
one side, I looked at why they put Alabama ahead
of Miami, and that was due to the ranked, win,
strength to schedule, all that stuff. If you look at
Alabama and SMU, I think you can make a very
(44:31):
good case that Alabama should be against SMU. But Doug,
these are human beings, and ultimately, I thought there's no
way in hell that the committee would leave out an
ACC team that went undefeated in league play for the
second consecutive year, after all the blowback with FSU, whether
FSU should have been in or not, especially after it
(44:54):
went down to the wire and you looked at their
resume and they lost two games by field goals. I
know a lot of people may not agree with that.
There's a lot of you know, spain about well, the
SEC's stopped playing tougher games out of conference. Alabama didn't
miss the playoffs because of our conference schedule. They missed
the playoffs because they lost badly to two six and
sixteams in Okhoman Vannerbilt, So I wasn't surprised. Is it
(45:18):
the twelve best team? No, it's not. And you look
at the odds. I posted the odds earlier today on
Twitter that popped at Circus Sports Arizona State thirty five
to one, Boise State fifty to one. They're two of
the top four seeds, yet they are the eleventh and
ninth lowest, have the lowest odds of the twelve team playoffs.
(45:42):
That's I think a big issue that will get corrected.
Not next year, but in two years Brett.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
They took a flawed system and completely screwed it up, right.
I mean, I think there were setup set up like
the like the bowl system was such a mess, and
then you know the BCS Changiship game, honestly was was
close to a great deal.
Speaker 8 (46:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
The problem is that the difference between the number two
and number three team. Then they went to a four
team deal and you could say a lot of things,
but obviously it made all the rest of the balls
not important. But now, like what are we doing? Like
Boise gets a buy? Why? Why how do we go?
How do we go from, Hey, we got to make
(46:25):
sure that one of these non traditional, powerful conference schools
gets in great two, let's give them a buy. What
are we doing?
Speaker 9 (46:36):
Let's give them a top four seed. And I'll ask
you this because I've asked other people. Nobody can answer
it for him. Maybe you can't. What other sport, professional
or amateur makes the most difficult path to winning a
national championship for the number one seed while the easiest
(46:56):
path is for the number five or number sixty. Because
that's what's happened with Texas and with Penn State. You know,
because of they are seated five or six, they'll get
a play Boise or Arizona State, they have an easier
path to the semis than number one a ardor that's insane.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Well, let me let me let me state something really
really clearly, and we'll make sure we put this out
on social media. Okay, I did not go to an
SEC school. I have never worked for the SEC network.
Matter of fact, I work for Fox Sports. Okay, who
doesn't carry SEC games. But if you ask any human
(47:43):
being that has any amount of honesty who the best
conference is, they will tell you that the SEC plays
a different sport than the rest of college football, and frankly,
if you're watching college basketball, kind of playing a different
sport there as well. And in football, I understand that
(48:05):
you look at Vanderbilt and you look at Oklahoma and
you're like, how could you? Okay, here's the thing, and
I understand that this Oklahoma team is not nearly what
they have been. But what Oklahoma did was they spend
a lot of money on that roster. Vanderbilt doesn't spend
to the level of everybody else in the SEC, but
it's a lot more money than many of the schools
(48:27):
in the ACC. And that's after playing all these other
high level teams that beat you up. They just do.
Look at any of these teams that play an SEC
team and what happens the next week. They're all beaten up.
It's the war of attrition. So I'm telling you that
anyone who tells you the SEC SEC is not as good,
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you're lying or you actually don't know the sport. And
it's not just Alabama. South Carolina should be in this thing,
right And like Ward manual saying there's no new data points,
like what are you talking about? They just be Clemson
at Clemson the week before and now Clemson's in the field.
That's a new data point. So it feels like they
(49:14):
painted themselves in the corner by saying, basically, these are
the teams in the bracket barring you know, this one
possible chance of getting in. And now they have fed
into this really a really kind of provincial idea that
these other leagues are in any way in the neighborhood
(49:36):
of the SEC, and they've made what should have been
an amazing celebration of college football finally getting into a
playoff and to kind of a joke because like, we
we got a chance of like Boise and SMU boys,
your SMU like marching on, Like there's gonna be something
(49:58):
weird here that we've artificially created and it's gonna be
a mess. I mean, even Indiana, Why is Indiana in
this thing? They didn't I mean anybody ere beat anybody?
Nobody who is any good did they beat? And they weren't.
Really they were competitive for a half of Ohio State.
When did that get you into the twelve best teams?
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This is not a participation trophy. Brett helped me what's going.
Speaker 9 (50:21):
On, so, Doug, the problem is if you go simply
by the power ratings. Yeah, you'll have ten SEC teams
in the twelve team playoffs. But again, I'm not saying
this is right or wrong, but do you need to
account for the wins and losses? If you lose to Vanderbilt,
if you lose to Oklahoma, should you be punished? According
(50:44):
to Nick Saban, No, let's get the best team.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Hold on, Brett, Brett, tell the whole story though. Wait
wait wait, Brett, Okay, I understand what you're saying. But
it's not like they didn't beat Missouri, LSU, Wisconsin and
on the road they beat Auburn, right, they beat South Carolina?
Like I agree with you, there should be but there's
a balance there, right, like the idea that you have
(51:10):
people going like, well they lost the Vanderbot lost me
moved by five, Okay, had to come back late. But
like they just beat Georgia in an all out war, right,
they Jordiana, Vandy, South Carolina and Tennessee. No week off
like that.
Speaker 9 (51:24):
That's that's given the argument you said about Indiana, I
agree with. But guess what. Texas has as many top
twenty five wins as you and I do, and that's zero,
So they they don't have any top twenty five wins either.
But nobody. Nobody's raising hell because they're the number five seed,
(51:44):
because they're Texas and they played Georgia close. Well, boys
that played Oregon close and boys, I'm not making a
case for boys. I'm just saying we we We've got
They They judge teams differently. Some teams are judged because
of what conference they're is. Some teams are judged by
the strength of schedule. Some teams are judged by the losses.
(52:05):
Some teams are judged by the wins. That's what's soe
asnit I think, and I've said this one hundred times
and I'll say it so our die. There was nothing
wrong with the BCS. The problem with the BCS is
they only picked two teams. That's impossible. Who's your two
team playoff this year, Doug, I don't know. We're again
(52:25):
in somebody. If you only had two teams, you're gonna
you're gonna fail. Every time you look at there's a
there's a cool twitter count, uh b BCS no how
or BCS something I don't know, I'll tweet out. But
they basically they compute the BCS rankings every single week
based on the computer rankings and everything they use, and
(52:48):
guess what, it basically gives us a similar or almost
identical playoff field that we've had with the Selection committee.
The only problem with the BCS was it was two teams.
If the BCS would have been around for the fourteen playoffs,
it probably would still be around for a twelveteen playoffs.
And now you see people with a lot of stake
(53:09):
in the game saying, well, maybe we need to figure
a way so that human element is not as prevalent
going forward, because we need specific data that you brought
up about better teams, strength to schedule, those sort of
things not being dismissed because as I mentioned, well we
got to take the team from the ACC because they
(53:29):
got screwed last year and we got to make it
up too.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah. I just and by the way, anyone who uses
historic data, which by the way, all slants in the
SEC just understand the sports has changed now they can
pay kids legally, and you're basically you have the Yankees, Mets,
Red Sox, Dodgers, and then you know maybe one kind
of outlier team like the Astros. I don't know what
(53:52):
the Astro budget that would be the Ohio state, Hey,
but you have them all in one league, and then
you're comparing them against the league of the A's, Right,
it's like the A's, the Rays, like all these other
small market clubs, and you're comparing their records to be
equal when they don't really play against each other in
(54:12):
the regular season. So, by the way Brett was, were
they ever going to actually be able to fire my Gundy?
Speaker 9 (54:22):
Uh? They were going to try. Yeah, they were going
to try. They were going to try to get him
because of his comments about the fans. And again, you know,
you've signed a few contracts in your time, some small
print in there. They could come up with something. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
They couldn't know. They couldn't they. I mean, honestly, they
were going to fire the winningest coach in the history
of the program because he called out fans when they
went from ten wins to.
Speaker 9 (54:48):
Three wins, other people he had, he had turned people
sure against him, and then he finally had a losing
season and then they came out of would work and said, Okay,
now he can get him. And so if he was
going to push back on it, I think they felt
strongly enough they were going to try. Look, I don't.
I don't agree with it. I mean, you asked me
the question. They tried, and they would have pushed him
(55:11):
out and then he would have filed a suit and
then there would have been a settlement and then they
would have moved on. But no, this was Doug. This
was serious. It was it was legit. They were close,
and I think how Gundy responded would be would determine
his fate. Obviously, he responded and said, yeah, you can
(55:31):
restructure it and all that, and I'll ask you, this
is the coach. I don't If you gotta go, I'll
make it quick. So this is not a little clumb
state thing. This isn't any coach thing. If you're a
head coach, you signed a contract to make one hundred
dollars a week, whatever the number is, and then your
school comes back to you a year later and says, hey, hey, Doug,
we only we need you to only make eighty dollars
(55:52):
a week because we get to pay the other twenty
dollars to the athletes. That is total horse pucky as
far as I'm concerned. You sign a coach, you sign
a president, you sign an ad, you signed somebody to
a contract. You're committed to that number. You can't come
in after the fact and say, hey, you need to
take a pay cut. We need to play or pay
(56:14):
we need to pay our players more. No, you go
out and find money, You find revenue to pay the players.
You don't tell your coaches to take a pay cut.
That's what really pissed me off about this whole thing
is the way it was presented. And look, you know,
I'm an al minor there like you. It just that
just was like mind boggling to me that they that
(56:35):
they were doing that to him, or that anyone would
do that to any.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
Employee, well especially one of his accomplishes. He has ties
the university.
Speaker 9 (56:44):
Yeah, when losing so many people text me what's going on?
I said, one losing season in nineteen years and we
lost our damn mind.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Yep. We think we're Oklahoma, We're entitled. But you're the best.
Appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 9 (56:59):
Thanks to take care of
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how is your weekend? Mine was interesting? Interesting. We'll get
to what's going on in my college basketball program up coming,
But man, do do we have a lot to get
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to and and this is not the part I want
to get to, But I want to talk about the
Buffalo Bills, not just their loss, but their lack of
clock management at the end of a game. But what
it's like to coach and you know, it's really interesting.
David Blatt, who's a legendary coach overseas, he obviously played
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college basketball Princeton and for a short period of time
was the head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers. He once
upon a time said that coaching the NBA game is
like a fighter pilot. You have to make two hundred decisions,
you know, in a short period of time. And there
are a lot of people in the media who criticized
him for that, and those people are all people that
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have never coached. Because again, I'll just give you an
example in terms of college basketball coaching. College basketball coaching,
you know, we're down seven at the end of the
first half on Saturday night, and there's I think fifty
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seconds to go. We have two fouls to give and
oh yeah, by the way, we want to limit them
to one possession. So we had talked with players in
college basketball, there's a rule in the first half, when
the ball goes through the basket, the clock runs. The
shot clock doesn't start until you catch the ball and
start dribbling the basketball where you catch the ball. So
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I made the mistake of switching defenses on the next
to last possession. They hit us for a layup, and
then and then we instead of and we had worked
on it and drilled it the two days before that.
In this particular scenario, we would let the ball bounce,
switch who is going to take the ball in bounds,
tie your shoes if you want, whatever you want to do,
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as long as we don't throw the ball in mounds,
and bleed the clock until about thirty one thirty two
where we could hold for the last shot. And one
of our guys just forgot threw the ball inbounds. We
bring it up the court, we don't score. They come down.
Now all of a sudden, we do have the opportunity
to foul twice. We foul once with like thirteen seconds
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to go. We want to foul again under seven seconds
to go, and our guy misses committing the foul and
they hit a three pointer, and so instead of being
down seven or maybe even being down five, we're down thirteen.
And it was really really difficult. I bring that up
because it's like we had planned for it, and I
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would say collectively, everyone kind of screwed up. If one
person screws up, everybody screws up. And then I was
watching the bills take on the La Rams yesterday, are
first in goal to go with just over a minute
to go, and you know, on first down, instead of
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calling timeouts or or bleeding the clock at all, you
should throw the football, like if you're going to run it,
you can only run it if it's on fourth down.
You feel like everyone knows that because if it's incomplete,
the clock stops. It's not what the Bills did. Here's
Tom Brady on the call, but you got it.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
He did not, and now they're going to have to
use a time out.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
To your point, and that that's an onside kick. It
changes the thought process.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, we've got a three percent chance on an outside
kick to me, take three shots thrown it, don't use
a timeout, and then you can kick it deep, use
your three timeouts and still get the ball good time.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Try the long field goal. That changed that.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
That changes the entire complexity of the last minute two
seconds of the game.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
If they score, what's the big deal.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
We're gonna have to go for a three percent chance
for anfside jem But not like that one day.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Here's Sean McDermott, the head coach of the Bills, on
calling the timeout.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
We had three and we were trying to conserve timeouts.
We were actually in a situation that we call red alert,
which says, hey, if you get in field goal range,
you're down between eleven and nine points in that situation, right,
So get in field goal range and you take the
points so that you can play normal defense and hold
those timeouts and everything. So we were never really in
a position of deficit that we would say, hey, it's
second and long, let's go ahead and take the field
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goal here and come back and use the timeout.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So, yeah, it still doesn't explain it. I think the
only thing you can say is screwed up. Shouldn't run
the football, shouldn't have had a sneak, just shouldn't have,
but instead you end up scoring. Here's Josh Allen, the
quarterback of the Buffalo Bills, and by many people's estimation,
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in the MVP of the league on the timeout.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Again.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
It's in theory probably, but again it's in the heat
of the battle and I gotta find a way to
get the end zone.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, that's the wrong that's the wrong answer. It's the
wrong answer. I screwed up is the only correct answer there.
I guess and maybe I didn't hear if the question
was asked, was this did you call the sneak or
was it called from the sidelines, because and I know
Dan Bayer, he works on Sunday. I'm sure yelling at
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the TV what are they doing? What are they doing? What?
What are you actually doing here? Right? And and Josh's
answer is so one hundred percent, Hey I got to
get in the end zone. And I'm sure he's thinking, hey,
I got to cover for my OC or maybe cover
for my own decision. But the proper answer is we
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screwed up. I mean, even Sean McDermott with a bunch
of words salad about what they were in, like nobody cares.
Why didn't you throw the football on first down? If
it's incomplete, on second down, if it's incoplete on third down,
and then the only time you can run the football
is on fourth down. That way, you have three timeouts
in your back pocket, you kick it off, you have
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to get a stop. At most you use up ten seconds,
maybe twelve seconds. You never got the football back. You
still could have had the three percent of getting the
on side kick and then had the three timeouts. Also
possibility could have increased the odds of you getting the
football back. Take the three percent. All of that stuff
could be true. Oh yeah, and you got a penalty
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when you did score a touchdown, which forced the extra
point back even further, which was again another it's things
you just can't do. I don't care if you were
punching and grabbing and hitting and doing things at the
bottom of the pile, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. And then
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you watch in successive games that game, flip over to
NBC Football Night in America, and as a Charger fan,
I believe I've seen that movie. I knew how it ended.
And then you start to go, hey, wait a second,
this is the year for the Buffalo Bills. This is it.
This is the year. Forget about the Chiefs record. We've
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seen what they do against the Bills. They're not that talented.
They're just okay. But you had to know at the
end of that game with the Chargers, once the Chargers
took a one point lead, as soon as the ball
is kicked off, you're like, I know how this ends.
I just don't know if I should watch or not. Right,
I just don't know if I should watch or not.
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And the Chiefs win, and you get from everybody Chiefs
aren't good, they don't out do they win. And the
only only thing you can say is the Chiefs know
how to win. And it is absolutely the hardest thing
to teach in coaching is how to win. And it's
not just a player thing, it's a coaching thing. If
you don't believe me, I give you the juxtaposition of
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the Buffalo Bills and they're nemesis the Kansas City Chiefs,
who of course famously came back and tied the game
in thirteen seconds going back three years ago. And look,
I want Buffalo to win. I would love it. That city.
I don't know if any city really deserves that, that
city deserves a championship. I don't know. But those fans,
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the Bills mafia do. The Bills team is great. That's
a good football team. And it doesn't mean they would
have won the game. But you can't tell me that
you're playing these percentages and you have all these percentage chances,
which is all you're calculating when you're on the bench,
when you're coaching, or your quarterback or your offensive coordinator,
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you have to calcul late percentage chances of completion of incompletion,
of getting the football back, of stopping, et cetera. That's
all you're doing. It's calculated, guess, and then you run
the football on first down. Don't make any sense.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
I can dug, I can make some sense of Sean
McDermott's word salad, which makes the whole deal even more confusing.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Go for it.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
So what McDermott was talking about was because of their
situation and where they were on the scoreboard, that they
could have kicked a field goal in that scenario where
they converted on a fourth and fifteen because of a
pass interference penalty which got him down to the Rams
sixteen yard line at any you know, at any point
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in that scenario they just they need. They could have
kicked the field goal and made it a six point
gain because it was forty four to thirty five at
that point. So his word salad is explaining why they
didn't kick the field goal earlier. They could have kicked
the field goal on first and goal at the one
instead of running that Josh Allen Steak, Now, maybe not
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the best option, considering you are so close and to
your point you want to throw the ball into the
end zone. But I would even argue this that with
three timeouts, you didn't even have to call a time
out there if your whole plan was to get the
defensive stop because of the pile of players, and that's
where the delay of game on the second part. I
don't know if the players thought that he was in
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or wasn't in and didn't want to waste time, but
you didn't even need to call a timeout. You would
have wasted fifteen or twenty seconds, which would have been wasteful.
But it was just so imperative to keep the three
timeouts because the Rams could run forty seconds off the clock.
If you didn't have one of those timeouts, you could
have kicked deep. If you had all three of those
timeouts and held them and said, all right, we've got
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twenty seconds, let's get one play to maybe getting field
goal range, and then we'll have a chance at it.
But taking that time out, and by the way, it's
not the only time it's happened in the NFL this year.
The Browns completely botched it against the Raiders in the
game in Las Vegas did the same thing, had all
their timeouts and then used one and basically gave up
any hope of them winning. But that's what the head
coach is there for, is to get in the way
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and to make sure that you stick to your plan
in that way. So yeah, I don't know who called
the timeout, I don't know who had the play call,
but it all falls on the shoulders of McDermott and
Josh Allen knew it right away as soon as they
called the timeout. You saw him on the sidelines after
the touchdown. Knew that they had lost the game.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yep, yep, yep. And I think I feel like Josh Allen,
I would give him credit because his answer sounded like
somebody who didn't want to throw anybody under the bus.
Hey I gotta find the INSNT. But I will also
point out that that is one that you need to
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as a quarterback audibilize and go like, hey, we got
to get us out of this. Can't sneak to football
if we don't, we're not if we're not going to
get it.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
And it was at the one yard line.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It wasn't wasn't it. The one was that the half
yard line wasn't the one foot line or line. That
is a very big distinction, very big distinction, and it's
amazing right. Again, the juxtaposition of those two games, those
two teams back to back, I'll be a different networks
that you're watching a team competing for the one seed
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just beat the Chiefs. And again, it doesn't mean they
would have won the game, but they gave away any
chance of winning that game with that one timeout. And
then you get the Chiefs who, for all intentsive purposes,
could have been dead in the water yet again, and
they find a way to get it done. Because of
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the Chiefs. It's not just Pat Mahomes, it's not just
Andy Reid. It's that entire team knows how to win.
And it's not that they don't make mistakes, but when
it gets to the fourth quarter, more often than not,
they play with an air of confidence and precision that
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we haven't seen long time. We haven't seen a long time.
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here man. A beautiful day in Green Bay, Wisconsin. I
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know it's the cold is coming in a couple of days,
but we get fifty in Sonny. I know you guys
got about seventy two and Sonny out in the West Coast.
Wild weekend in sports Ton to get to. We do
this every Monday on the show. We call it love
and Hey what did you love? God? I love you?
And what did you hate? We need these Claire Hays
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ah love Love Love you know, Dan Meyer, let's start
with you. What'd you love? On the weekend?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
I love how the Seahawks went to Arizona and took
two Kyler Murray early turnovers, turned them into points and
never looked back. That stadium has been a house of
horrors for the Seahawks, most notably Super Bowl forty nine,
A lot of crazy stuff happens in Arizona, and I,
in fact, was bracing myself for some crazy stuff, and
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I wasn't sure that the Seahawks were gonna be able
to handle it. There was no Kenneth Walker the third,
but Zach Charboney filled in admirably. Seahawks got it done
on the ground, got it done in the air, and
got it done defensively, and sitting there at eight and five,
firmly in the NFL playoff picture. Then I the division
wrapped up just yet, and they've got some difficult games
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coming up, including next week home against the Packers, but
a solid, solid win for the Seahawks to rise to
eight and five and lead the NFC West, and because
of the situation in the NFC South, would actually be
the third seed in the NFC playoffs if the playoffs
were to start today. So excited about the Seahawks and
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the new regime under Mike McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Big Apple. Sam.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Oh, it's been a while since you called me that one.
I was hoping that that would go well. So, oh, yeah,
it's the one. It's quanta. Yeah, it's the reminder, Juan
Soda is a reminder that I am in fact, Big
Apple Sam. My love of the weekend is a coaches
being weird in front of the microphone. So often, you know,
especially if you work in this industry, you listen to
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a lot of press conferences and comments from coke and players,
and it's just the same, just cliched and trite crap
over and over again. You know, we're out there grinding,
you know, we're given one hundred and ten percent. It's cliches.
I like it when coaches kind of mess with you
a little bit and just kind of get strange and
just do their own thing. Like That's why I miss
Mike Leach so much, because he always had a lot
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of fun things to say. But case in point here
from the weekend, Mike Brown of the Sacramento Kings. Listen,
they put up they've won their last two, three of
their last four. They put up one hundred and forty
plus points in the last two games. But he's really
trying to hammer some things home with his team. Let's
listen to little audio here.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Just need to be methodical by stacking or playing the
right way. Possession after possession after possession, Okay, after possession
after possession, Wow, after possession. I would just keep going
after possession after possession. Wow, after possession. This just keeps
after possession, Doug. Make itsef after possession, after possession, after possession,
after possession.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Okay, you get the point. He went twenty six times
on that, which is just range. He's kind of borrowing
a page from like Family Guy, where you just repeat
the same joke until it's like, you're so weird it
out it's just funny, and you start I just started
laughing at that. I'm like, he just went on and on.
So my love of the weekend is just coaches being
weird and just uh making everybody else in the room
feel weird. I think that's hilarious. And Mike Brown, you're
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a strange guy, but you're a good coach, so you
can do that.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Hmm. Okay, Jay Stu, I'll let you find something you
love from the weekend.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Just to clarify, the last love was Mike Brown and
coaches that make a media.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
After possession after possession going crazy here we're taking crazy
after it's like that.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
And I know you love this line, Doug, because I
think that it's actually in our system marked with your
name on it. But it's a Leonardo DiCaprio and the
Avier Aviator going it's a way of the future, it's
a way of the future. And yeah, he just keeps
repeating that and it's just sort of weird. So that
was my love. Yeah, my love. I'm a weird guy.
I love weird stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
I love that the Mets signed Juan Soto. And you
must be thinking, why, as a Dodger found would you
love that? Because I've been paying attention to what happens
when Mets signed big free agent deals. I don't know
if they're cursed or they just have bad judgment or both.
But tell me the last free agent deal that worked out.
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And I know you're gonna say Francisco Lindor because he
was an MVP candidate this past season. Don't forget that
for the first three years of his deal he was
considered a disappointment. Yes, Surezer, Max Schurzer, awful signing didn't
work out. Justin Verlander, awful signing didn't work out. I'm
going to go back to names like Johann Santana, Jason Bay,
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Jonas Cespidus And if you think I'm getting into the
weeds of free agent signings by the Mets to prove
a point. That's exactly what I'm doing. Jan Soto's not
going to work out, and he's going to make sure
the Mets spend a lot of money for a cursed team.
Thank you, Mets.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I got a lot that I love from this weekend.
Love to have my daughter Grays in town. She was great.
Unfortunately she saw us lose Saturday. But I will tell
you what I saw is we about twenty five hundred
people in attendance of the game on Saturday against Cleveland State.
And I'm sure they were disappointed that I didn't play
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Anthony Roy And when they learned the reason why, I
think a good portion of them would really probably understood.
But this is weird. You know. We we were down
I think twenty three in the second half. I called
time out and I looked around and I said to
my staff, none of them are leaving. You know, it's
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a Saturday, Saturday afternoon. Could go go do Christmas shopping,
can do a million other things. A lot of people,
a ton of people here in northeast Wisconsin ago hunting,
and they'd be like, man, I go and get a dusk,
go shoot something. Take my frustrations out they stayed. They stayed.
It was crazy, Like honestly, because I was grabbing my jacket,
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I was ready to leave. But that was really really cool.
And if you have that level of support and buy in,
you're onto something. So we're close. I feel really really
good about it. Didn't feel good in the moment, but
feel good what we're building. And when I looked around
I saw that nobody left. I was like, man, I
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got some other things that I love from the weekend.
I love Clemson winning the ACC championship. When I told
you to start the year that there's a lot of
people in college athletics rooting for Clemson because although Clemson
gives all credit to the Lord and Savior, there should
be at least a little bit of credit to the
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fact that they stuck with culture over the portal and ultimately,
I guess you're rewarded for it. I don't think the
ACC is nearly that of the SEC. Case in point,
Clemson lose the week before at home to South Carolina,
but that doesn't take away from what they were able
to accomplish. And then a freshman kicker comes in and
kicks a fifty six yarder that was awesome, So those
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are the things I love. Let's get to what we
hated from the weekend, Jason Stewart. This segment was basically
created for this moment. Will repass the reins to you,
and you're the ultimate hater. Would you hate?
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Right now? There's going to be listeners driving around that
are going to say, why does this guy always spend
his hate on fantasy football? And I'm going I'm gonna
take a step back and say, I've been on this
for more than a year. Okay. The NFL needs to
appreciate and even cater to fantasy football owners. Tens of thousands,
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if not hundreds of thousands of dollars are exchange every
year and fantasy football teams around the country. The NFL
needs to not only acknowledge that, but cater to it,
because as their product worsens, the actual people tuning in
to see a good product are waning, and the people
that have gambling interest in the game and fantasy owners
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are watching your product. So to have a buy on
Week fourteen of a fantasy football season means that you
are taking away good players from managers that need their
good players to make the playoffs. In Week fourteen, the
last regular season game. Case in point, yesterday, Josh Allen
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had the greatest performance in the history of fantasy football
by a quarterback. Okay, that means that if you had
him on your team, good for you. And how unlucky
is that if you had to face Josh Allen yesterday
and your playoffs were on the line. I'm going to
take it to a third layer, which is my example.
I had to set Lamar Jackson and Za Flowers and
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I went up against Josh Allen. So thanks to the
NFL for offering up a bye in Week fourteen when
I personally needed a win where I couldn't play Lamar
Jackson and I had to face Josh Allen. So NFL,
I hate you for not appreciating your fantasy owners.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I don't know if I've ever told you this rule, Jason,
because though we've been friends for a long time, we
haven't worked together nearly as long as me and Dan
have worked together, or even Sam has worked together. You
know the three things that nobody actually cares about, right.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
You're bad beating poker, your golf round.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, nobody cares about your golf score. Nobody cares about
your vacation, and nobody cares about your fantasy football team.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Or your NCAA. Brackett right that.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
As well, Sam set me hate it form the.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
Weekend, well, this sort of encapsulates all the weekend plus
the day surrounding. I've basically had a headache for like
since Thursday. I've had a headache since Thursday. I had
a really visious headache on Thursday. I had to leave
the premiere holiday party early because it was bothering me
and I couldn't go to I didn't want to go
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to Ben Mallor's Christmas party Saturday night, Holiday party Saturday
night because I didn't feel up to it. So it's
been sort of annoying. It hasn't been as bad as
it was Thursday, but it still hasn't left me. It's
kind of come and gone. That's quite annoying. Really hate that.
So I woke up Saturday feeling okay, I guess, but
then I endured a Saturday suck fest from teams from
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the state of Iowa. Woke up ready to watch Iowa
State and Arizona State battle it out. This is like
a no two three point game where Arizona State was
favored in the third quarter, they were I was State
was already down twenty four to ten enter the third quarter.
They turned over three times and the game became an
absolute laugh for embarrassment. So that kind of put me.
I was like, you know, they really kind of, you know,
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messed themselves on the big stage, So that kind of
put me in a sour mood. Then I watched Iowa
go up to Michigan in the Chrysler Arena and really
battled tough with the Michigan Wolverines. They end up losing
by two eighty five eighty three. Great game, but lost
that game. And then the last thing I had ready
to kind of pet my spirits up was undefeated Iowa
number seventeen at the time, taking on undefeated Tennessee and
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women's basketball and Iowa had a one point lead with
three forty to go ended up losing by ten. So
at the end of the day, I was pretty sour.
My head was hurting. That was definitely a suck fest.
And then you know what, I'm just gonna throw this
in too, doink for the division ticks me off because
I'm sick of this. I'm sick of the Chiefs always
being in great position to just find a way to win,
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their backup kicker doinks it in. It should have gone
back into the end zone, and it doinks in for
the division, and it's like, you know, it's it's just like,
I know, you make your own luck, I know, but
I'm just seeing sick of it. I'm getting sick of
the Chiefs. And then like Heidi Gardner, the SNL cast member,
with her little oddly I don't know, I even know
how to her little introduction of the Chiefs, I was like,
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this didn't really hit the mark with me. So I'm
just kind of irritated that to Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes is
ten and two now against against the Chargers. I'm getting
sick of them, and I listen, they're gonna win until
like she, like Heidi Gardner, said, do something about it.
I'm just irritated that doing for the division really irritated
me with my headaching.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
The going for the division, Dan Buyer, I really didn't
have a lot to hate from this past weekend. I
didn't like the college football playoff bracket, and I know
we're going to dive into some of that, but it's
a branch off of that which actually bothers me about it.
I understand the need to get this information out there,
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but to have the release an hour before kickoff of
an NFL week completely sucks any of the I don't know,
emotion or excitement, I don't know what it is. But
you jam that in at nine o'clock and then we
all switched to for our local tim here on the
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West coast New Eastern and then the game start an
hour later and you're focusing on that. It just kind
of leaves college football in the dust and makes it
such a such an afterthought. I could say the conference
championship games for that matter, but I think Clemson would
say these things do matter. But I just don't like
the selection show. Now that you have twelve teams, there
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is drama, there is more to it. Jamming it in
before a full week of NFL games is just not
a good idea in my mind.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I just hate the utter and sheer dishonesty of people
that matter, you know, not fans. I understand fans, you
know you want to claim this team or that team
or whatever. But people that know, no, you know, they
just do. I'm not saying that every great team has
(28:49):
to have a twenty million dollars payroll. Perfect example is
you know, Dan's the Ohio State fan. That's not a
perfect football team. Okay, it's not. I've never been a
Will Howard guy. You know, he's an elite level quarterback.
But they they have better personnel than everybody in that league.
(29:11):
That league is not does not spend the money that
the SEC does. And it's like the only honest people
are NFL gms who draft all these guys because they
sit there and go like, I mean, like you can
find a couple of guys at these other schools, but
they just have dudes, and you know, it's it's very
similar to recruiting, only obviously they're more refined in that
(29:34):
it's not one guy here, one guy there, right, like
the what's the kid's name in Boise State? I mean
he's so good, genty whatever? Yes, gent, I mean that
story is amazing, right, grows up in Italy playing football.
They're like, it's he's an incredible player. But I mean,
can we ask ourselves what their record would be in
the SEC? Like what are we doing? You know? And
(29:58):
I'll tell you the other thing that's interesting, and maybe
this this is an upshoot of it is if you're
a running back, you're probably smarter to go to a
Boise State to a non Power five because you won't
just get destroyed physically by the depth of talent, especially
on defensive lines in that league. I just I don't
(30:18):
know why more people aren't honest, because when we talk
to each other as coaches, like in basketball, everybody says
what I'm saying, which is like, it's a different sport.
You know, we went and played Ohio State and it
was a seven point game with twelve eleven to go.
But then you're looking and it's not just their starters.
It said all their guys off the bench, and again
(30:39):
like part of it is they may not be great,
but they're all older. Because all the older guys are like, hey,
I'm not going to be an NBA player. I need
to get paid in college. So I just wish more
people will be honest and say, what are we doing
with SMU Indiana? The Big Ten is not at the
level of the SEC. It hasn't been for twenty years.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Well, who won the national championship last year.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Doug Michigan, Yeah, I said the Big Ten. I didn't
say yeah, And that was a that was a loaded
team that was built over several years with the most
draft picks of anybody.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
Yeah, and this year's to ten two in the last
ten years, So great, what's.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Over the last twenty years? And by the way, again
like Michigan was awesome last year, awesome, I'm awesome. What
happened in Texas came in this year like it wasn't
even competitive, It's not even the closes the same sport.
Like you can sit here and give me this kind
of one off here, one off there. I'm telling you,
ask anyone in the sport, Ask just an NFLGM, like, Hey,
(31:40):
what's it like to go to or go to an
SEC game? Stand in the field and just sit there
and then look around and then go to any of
these other ladies. You're like this, it looks like JV
versus varsity. So I know we wanted to be like Hoosiers.
I know we wanted to be like the NCAA tournament.
And I think you will see an upset here or there,
(32:03):
but I think it's been created artificially by what they've
done with this bracket.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Well, let's also be honest, if we're going to get
into this conversation when they set out this bracket again,
this is a two year bracket. We will probably get
something different in two years. By no means do they
think that a group of five school would end up
being the third seed. No way, know how they did
not think that that would be possible. Just I mean,
(32:29):
and here they are because of the ACC and the
Big twelve and the changes that we've seen of Boise
State being the third seed. That's not even my biggest problem.
It's how they got there, just the fact of Doug
your pointing a lot to the SEC and now it's
just a better league and I can bring another one
off to the table. But I'm more on your side
(32:51):
in saying not that I think that the SEC is better.
What I think that the committee fails to do is
they want to know how you are in your worst date,
not how you are in your best day. So they
only look at the losses and they feel that that's
the way to be able to sift things out. Look,
Alabama lost on the road to Oklahoma, and it's very
easy to point and say, yeah, don't lose by twenty
(33:12):
one points to an average Oklahoma team. It's so easy
to do that. It's what they would do with Ohio
State all the time. Don't get blown out by Iowa.
Don't get blown out by Purdue. Understand all of that.
But that was with a fourteen bracket. How about looking
about who you beat? Who did you beat on your
best day? Who are your wins? Yes, like those are.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
The way you can sing that in church. They here's
the other thing. Wait, wait, wait, can I give you
one more? Yeah, you gotta add to it. Okay, you
and I know this, and Sam will probably lie and
say it's not true. But it's very similar to when
Ohio State was you know, in the Big Ten they
had the split divisions. Michigan State was good, and you'd
(33:53):
had Michigan State and Michigan and Penn State and Ohio
State and the other side. You had some joke of it.
You know, it was like a completely it was a
JV level thing, and so like who you Yeah, you
could lose to Iowa, but hey, we just played Michigan State,
Penn State. We had a week off, then we played
Michigan after playing Iowa. Like that's totally different than playing
(34:15):
Minnesota and and Indiana and Illinois and all these other
other things, like even within the Big Ten. That's the
whole point. The point is not that the big tens things.
The problem is Indiana didn't play the good teams and
the one they did they couldn't move the ball against.
So again, what are you you make a great point?
Who would you beat in your best day? I just
(34:39):
it's so flawed, it's really silly.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
They also do know how to put a bracket together.
Ye look at look at how Oregon was set up.
So it's like, congrats Oregon. You get a rematch with
Ohio State or Tennessee and then you'll get possibly what
Texas were thinking and that in that next round, well,
Penn State gets SMU and Boise State possibly on the
(35:05):
way to the semi finals. And it's meant no disrespect
to SMU and Boise State, but that's who you're picking
the play. You wouldn't pick any of the other schools.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Oh no, no, if Orgon could be I know they
beat poised by one, Like if they could say, if
you got at the first seat, hey you can play
anybody you want. They probably pick SMU first and Boise
or Indiana second. And by the way, why is in
Arizona State playing the fiesta? Why are we shipping them
to the peach Like what are we doing? Like, yeah,
(35:35):
they get home field advantage. They won the Big Twelve,
you make them a top four seed, you get in
play it are getting to play in town, then you
fill up the stadium. I just I so many dumb things. Anyway,
that's loving a.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
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Speaker 1 (35:58):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. We're on Fox Swarts Radio.
Brett McMurphy will join us upcoming. He's college football inside
of the Action Network. I mean, like, listen, there's all
so much stuff that went on this weekend, including my
alma mater right where Friday there was a standoff between
Oklahoma State Board Regions and Mike Gundy, and Saturday there
(36:19):
was a reworked contract. Brett McMurphy's also an Oklahoma State alum.
He was all over that one. We'll talk to college
football playoff upcoming, and I'll get to what I liked
what I hated about the bracket. Do you guys mind
if I talk about my weekend and what happened in
(36:39):
social media and everything. Sure? Yeah, it was. It was interesting,
so to those of you who are just starting to
listen to the show. My name is Doug Gottlieb. I've
been doing this for a minute. This is year. We're
creeping up on year twenty two of National Sports Radio
twenty one years and for the last sixteen we've been
(37:02):
doing this time slot, and this is the third network
to do it. This is the eighth year at Fox
Sports Radio. In May, I was hired as head coach
of Green Bay so U dubbed Green Bay or a
Division one men's basketball program in the Horizon League. And
I have a young team. You know, we got eighteen kids,
(37:23):
thirteen new ones. So I'm inexperienced at this level and
they're inexperienced and we're learning together. And this level is
different than other levels of Division one basketball, and many
many schools at our level will play a Division two
team or a three team in their season, you know,
to continue to get their confidence and the record looks
(37:45):
a little bit better. We do have a Division two
game coming up, but we only have one, and you
can have multiple, you can have up to four really
if you want. We chose not to do that to
challenge ourselves and because at this level you're really playing
for Fabrus March, trying to play your best basketball. You
win your conference tournament, you go to the NCAA tournament.
(38:06):
But don't get me wrong, I mean it's hard. And
right now we sit at two and eight and we
feel like we let a couple get away. But as
I said, with football, hardest thing to do is teach
your team how to win, how to win. So Wednesday
we lost to IUI, that's Indiana University at Indianapolis. It's
(38:27):
kind of gut wrenching up six at the half on
the road conference opener, but we let it get away
from us and we end up we end up losing.
So we come home and we got Cleveland State, and
we had just talked to the players about about entitlement,
and it's over like little things, you know, like I
(38:48):
don't have any guys that I wouldn't allow to date
one of my daughters. I don't want any of my
players to date my daughters. But you know, it's like
I don't have guys that I have any real concerns
about them as people. But there are things, little things.
Somebody left an orange peel on the bus, Like what
are we doing, guys? This is not how we represent ourselves.
(39:13):
So Saturday's game, we played Cleveland State, another team that frankly,
they've been struggling. They're in the same boat as we are.
And we felt like we had made some changes to
what we were doing defensively, we felt like the offense
that evolved some felt really good going into the game,
(39:33):
and because we had let one get away that we
collectively and me personally thought we had a good chance
of winning. I was excited for Saturday home game. Two o'clock.
My daughter Grace is here. I just thought, man, this
is good. And I did not play. The nation's leading scorer.
(39:56):
His name is Anthony Roy. He's not just the nation's
leading scorer. He's also the most efficient shooter in the country.
Leads the country in three point field goal percentage for
the amount of you know, you have to take a
certain amount of takes per game, and he late leads
it an effective field goal percentage. He's also close to
ninety percent of the free throw line and he passes
(40:16):
as well, so offensive statistics wise, he's having an amazing season,
an amazing season, and we have to learn to play
better with him. He has to learn to continue to
make others around him better, when to go, when not
to go, when to get frustrated, et cetera, et cetera.
But I didn't play him, and we didn't have nearly
(40:41):
the offense to get it done. We lost by twenty
two points. So there were a couple of cat calls
during the game why did I play him? And I
addressed him and he just didn't play. So after the
game we had a press conference and I, of course
was asked about it. And there's a little coal reporter
who I like a great deal, and he asked several
questions and I just said, well, I think we do
(41:04):
have the we have some of the pressure, don't we. Yeah. Yeah,
here's my longest answer to why he didn't play. I mean,
it's the coaching decision. I'm Mike, like I'm not I'm
not going to like open the door and say, well,
this is how it goes. I made a decision not
to play him, and that's it. Mathat he's good in
(41:26):
the bench. I thought he was good in the locker room. Okay,
it's the things we asked him to do. He does,
then he'll play, and if he doesn't, then he won't.
You know. It's like, what's the point of doing this
if we're not going to do it the right way.
The expression we use is how we do anything, is
how we do everything. And just a decision I made
based upon a couple of things which had been lingering
(41:46):
and nom just coaching decision. So uh, I kind of
left it at that, and I had no desire to
or nothing had anything to do with social media or
people making comments about it. Jay Sue, did you see
that that video had two million views as of today?
Speaker 5 (42:09):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
It's nuts. Player's name's Anthony Roy is a great dude,
and he tweeted yesterday and he apologized for missing shoot around.
It was at nine o'clock, he arrived at ten fifteen,
missing shoot around and how it put all of us
in a bad place, and he accepted full responsibility. He
(42:33):
said it was really humbling to sit there and have
to watch the game, and he won't do it again.
He's gonna learn from his mistakes. He thanked me for
holding him accountable and he's ready to go play. But
just an unbelievable experience in your first year because you
got the cheat code sitting right there right like literally
he's a cheat code. But you know what the right
(42:57):
thing to do is you know that if you act
to that, well, then what's the next thing? What are
you going to hold him accountable? Before? And I also
was really proud that I didn't tell everybody what happened.
It was hard, Like I was like, hey, he didn't
even show up for shoot around, like what is that?
But I didn't. He shared it with the world. He
was accountable. And now we have our tribal Milwaukee coming
(43:19):
up on on Wednesday. All right, so Doug Gottlieb show
here on Fox Sports Radio. So I had myself quite
the weekend. So too did my alma mater. So too
did our next guest, Brett McMurphy. As we had the
first ever college football playoff bracket that's come out. I
have plenty of my own feelings, but I got a
couple more hours of this show. Brett. When you saw
(43:41):
the bracket come out, what was your immediate reactions?
Speaker 9 (43:47):
It was basically what I expected, what I had projected
the night before. I actually had Clempson. I thought they
would put Clempson at eleven and asked the year at
twelve because of the head to head. But then you know,
looking at it more, it gets all convoluted because South
Carolina was in there. In South Carolina, just be Clemson.
But I thought, Doug that and look, this is what
(44:11):
makes the playoffs so fascinating, so frustrating, is that there's
no clear cut reason for picking these teams. So on
one side, I looked at why they put Alabama ahead
of Miami, and that was due to the ranked, win,
strength to schedule, all that stuff. If you look at
Alabama and SMU, I think you can make a very
(44:31):
good case that Alabama should be against SMU. But Doug,
these are human beings, and ultimately, I thought there's no
way in hell that the committee would leave out an
ACC team that went undefeated in league play for the
second consecutive year, after all the blowback with FSU, whether
FSU should have been in or not, especially after it
(44:54):
went down to the wire and you looked at their
resume and they lost two games by field goals. I
know a lot of people may not agree with that.
There's a lot of you know, spain about well, the
SEC's stopped playing tougher games out of conference. Alabama didn't
miss the playoffs because of our conference schedule. They missed
the playoffs because they lost badly to two six and
sixteams in Okhoman Vannerbilt, So I wasn't surprised. Is it
(45:18):
the twelve best team? No, it's not. And you look
at the odds. I posted the odds earlier today on
Twitter that popped at Circus Sports Arizona State thirty five
to one, Boise State fifty to one. They're two of
the top four seeds, yet they are the eleventh and
ninth lowest, have the lowest odds of the twelve team playoffs.
(45:42):
That's I think a big issue that will get corrected.
Not next year, but in two years Brett.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
They took a flawed system and completely screwed it up, right.
I mean, I think there were setup set up like
the like the bowl system was such a mess, and
then you know the BCS Changiship game, honestly was was
close to a great deal.
Speaker 8 (46:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
The problem is that the difference between the number two
and number three team. Then they went to a four
team deal and you could say a lot of things,
but obviously it made all the rest of the balls
not important. But now, like what are we doing? Like
Boise gets a buy? Why? Why how do we go?
How do we go from, Hey, we got to make
(46:25):
sure that one of these non traditional, powerful conference schools
gets in great two, let's give them a buy. What
are we doing?
Speaker 9 (46:36):
Let's give them a top four seed. And I'll ask
you this because I've asked other people. Nobody can answer
it for him. Maybe you can't. What other sport, professional
or amateur makes the most difficult path to winning a
national championship for the number one seed while the easiest
(46:56):
path is for the number five or number sixty. Because
that's what's happened with Texas and with Penn State. You know,
because of they are seated five or six, they'll get
a play Boise or Arizona State, they have an easier
path to the semis than number one a ardor that's insane.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Well, let me let me let me state something really
really clearly, and we'll make sure we put this out
on social media. Okay, I did not go to an
SEC school. I have never worked for the SEC network.
Matter of fact, I work for Fox Sports. Okay, who
doesn't carry SEC games. But if you ask any human
(47:43):
being that has any amount of honesty who the best
conference is, they will tell you that the SEC plays
a different sport than the rest of college football, and frankly,
if you're watching college basketball, kind of playing a different
sport there as well. And in football, I understand that
(48:05):
you look at Vanderbilt and you look at Oklahoma and
you're like, how could you? Okay, here's the thing, and
I understand that this Oklahoma team is not nearly what
they have been. But what Oklahoma did was they spend
a lot of money on that roster. Vanderbilt doesn't spend
to the level of everybody else in the SEC, but
it's a lot more money than many of the schools
(48:27):
in the ACC. And that's after playing all these other
high level teams that beat you up. They just do.
Look at any of these teams that play an SEC
team and what happens the next week. They're all beaten up.
It's the war of attrition. So I'm telling you that
anyone who tells you the SEC SEC is not as good,
(48:51):
you're lying or you actually don't know the sport. And
it's not just Alabama. South Carolina should be in this thing,
right And like Ward manual saying there's no new data points,
like what are you talking about? They just be Clemson
at Clemson the week before and now Clemson's in the field.
That's a new data point. So it feels like they
(49:14):
painted themselves in the corner by saying, basically, these are
the teams in the bracket barring you know, this one
possible chance of getting in. And now they have fed
into this really a really kind of provincial idea that
these other leagues are in any way in the neighborhood
(49:36):
of the SEC, and they've made what should have been
an amazing celebration of college football finally getting into a
playoff and to kind of a joke because like, we
we got a chance of like Boise and SMU boys,
your SMU like marching on, Like there's gonna be something
(49:58):
weird here that we've artificially created and it's gonna be
a mess. I mean, even Indiana, Why is Indiana in
this thing? They didn't I mean anybody ere beat anybody?
Nobody who is any good did they beat? And they weren't.
Really they were competitive for a half of Ohio State.
When did that get you into the twelve best teams?
(50:18):
This is not a participation trophy. Brett helped me what's going.
Speaker 9 (50:21):
On, so, Doug, the problem is if you go simply
by the power ratings. Yeah, you'll have ten SEC teams
in the twelve team playoffs. But again, I'm not saying
this is right or wrong, but do you need to
account for the wins and losses? If you lose to Vanderbilt,
if you lose to Oklahoma, should you be punished? According
(50:44):
to Nick Saban, No, let's get the best team.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Hold on, Brett, Brett, tell the whole story though. Wait
wait wait, Brett, Okay, I understand what you're saying. But
it's not like they didn't beat Missouri, LSU, Wisconsin and
on the road they beat Auburn, right, they beat South Carolina?
Like I agree with you, there should be but there's
a balance there, right, like the idea that you have
(51:10):
people going like, well they lost the Vanderbot lost me
moved by five, Okay, had to come back late. But
like they just beat Georgia in an all out war, right,
they Jordiana, Vandy, South Carolina and Tennessee. No week off
like that.
Speaker 9 (51:24):
That's that's given the argument you said about Indiana, I
agree with. But guess what. Texas has as many top
twenty five wins as you and I do, and that's zero,
So they they don't have any top twenty five wins either.
But nobody. Nobody's raising hell because they're the number five seed,
(51:44):
because they're Texas and they played Georgia close. Well, boys
that played Oregon close and boys, I'm not making a
case for boys. I'm just saying we we We've got
They They judge teams differently. Some teams are judged because
of what conference they're is. Some teams are judged by
the strength of schedule. Some teams are judged by the losses.
(52:05):
Some teams are judged by the wins. That's what's soe
asnit I think, and I've said this one hundred times
and I'll say it so our die. There was nothing
wrong with the BCS. The problem with the BCS is
they only picked two teams. That's impossible. Who's your two
team playoff this year, Doug, I don't know. We're again
(52:25):
in somebody. If you only had two teams, you're gonna
you're gonna fail. Every time you look at there's a
there's a cool twitter count, uh b BCS no how
or BCS something I don't know, I'll tweet out. But
they basically they compute the BCS rankings every single week
based on the computer rankings and everything they use, and
(52:48):
guess what, it basically gives us a similar or almost
identical playoff field that we've had with the Selection committee.
The only problem with the BCS was it was two teams.
If the BCS would have been around for the fourteen playoffs,
it probably would still be around for a twelveteen playoffs.
And now you see people with a lot of stake
(53:09):
in the game saying, well, maybe we need to figure
a way so that human element is not as prevalent
going forward, because we need specific data that you brought
up about better teams, strength to schedule, those sort of
things not being dismissed because as I mentioned, well we
got to take the team from the ACC because they
(53:29):
got screwed last year and we got to make it
up too.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah. I just and by the way, anyone who uses
historic data, which by the way, all slants in the
SEC just understand the sports has changed now they can
pay kids legally, and you're basically you have the Yankees, Mets,
Red Sox, Dodgers, and then you know maybe one kind
of outlier team like the Astros. I don't know what
(53:52):
the Astro budget that would be the Ohio state, Hey,
but you have them all in one league, and then
you're comparing them against the league of the A's, Right,
it's like the A's, the Rays, like all these other
small market clubs, and you're comparing their records to be
equal when they don't really play against each other in
(54:12):
the regular season. So, by the way Brett was, were
they ever going to actually be able to fire my Gundy?
Speaker 9 (54:22):
Uh? They were going to try. Yeah, they were going
to try. They were going to try to get him
because of his comments about the fans. And again, you know,
you've signed a few contracts in your time, some small
print in there. They could come up with something. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
They couldn't know. They couldn't they. I mean, honestly, they
were going to fire the winningest coach in the history
of the program because he called out fans when they
went from ten wins to.
Speaker 9 (54:48):
Three wins, other people he had, he had turned people
sure against him, and then he finally had a losing
season and then they came out of would work and said, Okay,
now he can get him. And so if he was
going to push back on it, I think they felt
strongly enough they were going to try. Look, I don't.
I don't agree with it. I mean, you asked me
the question. They tried, and they would have pushed him
(55:11):
out and then he would have filed a suit and
then there would have been a settlement and then they
would have moved on. But no, this was Doug. This
was serious. It was it was legit. They were close,
and I think how Gundy responded would be would determine
his fate. Obviously, he responded and said, yeah, you can
(55:31):
restructure it and all that, and I'll ask you, this
is the coach. I don't If you gotta go, I'll
make it quick. So this is not a little clumb
state thing. This isn't any coach thing. If you're a
head coach, you signed a contract to make one hundred
dollars a week, whatever the number is, and then your
school comes back to you a year later and says, hey, hey, Doug,
we only we need you to only make eighty dollars
(55:52):
a week because we get to pay the other twenty
dollars to the athletes. That is total horse pucky as
far as I'm concerned. You sign a coach, you sign
a president, you sign an ad, you signed somebody to
a contract. You're committed to that number. You can't come
in after the fact and say, hey, you need to
take a pay cut. We need to play or pay
(56:14):
we need to pay our players more. No, you go
out and find money, You find revenue to pay the players.
You don't tell your coaches to take a pay cut.
That's what really pissed me off about this whole thing
is the way it was presented. And look, you know,
I'm an al minor there like you. It just that
just was like mind boggling to me that they that
(56:35):
they were doing that to him, or that anyone would
do that to any.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
Employee, well especially one of his accomplishes. He has ties
the university.
Speaker 9 (56:44):
Yeah, when losing so many people text me what's going on?
I said, one losing season in nineteen years and we
lost our damn mind.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Yep. We think we're Oklahoma, We're entitled. But you're the best.
Appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 9 (56:59):
Thanks to take care of
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