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December 10, 2024 • 42 mins

On this edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show:  Doug talks about the missed opportunity by the Cowboys on Monday night as they turned a blocked punt into a turnover for the Bengals to convert on a winning drive. 

Doug and Dan Beyer discuss the situation the Vikings are in with Sam Darnold playing on a one-year deal.

Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about the Cowboys, Sam Darnold and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.

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(00:51):
We got a heck of a show for you. I'm
in a really good show, I think so here. You're welcome.
We haven't started yet, but you're definitely welcome. Them John
Middlekaffeld join us. We'll ask him about what I thought
was just a debacle at the hands of the Dallas
Cowboys last time. Not a debacle because of how they played,

(01:13):
a debacle because of one play in particular, which honestly
could have won them the game, easily could have won
them the game. Instead, it bread new life into the
Cincinnati Bengals, who then end up winning the game and
keeping some hopes of their season live. But look, there's
so much to get into in the rest of the

(01:35):
world sports waiting to see if there's confirmation on Bill Belichick.
One reporter who's not a traditional college football reporter saying
Bill Belichick can be the new head coach at North Carolina.
We'll see when the more traditional guys kind of receive word,
if you will. I have some thoughts on Ajamansa taking

(01:55):
apparently signing with BYU. He's the number one overall recruit
and uh yeah, I can talk about a recruit because
he's not gonna play for Green Bay, Like right, it's
like pretty well aware he's not gonna play there. There
was one thing missing from his first take appearance. Do
you guys know what was missing from his first take
appearance where announced he's going to go play at BYU. Nothing? Huh?

(02:24):
I really huh?

Speaker 4 (02:25):
The hat selection hat No.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
No, it's really interesting. What's still taboo in the world
right Like in I don't know how many states, but
marijuana still taboo. There are other things. I would say
that one of the big things in mental healthcare is
it's still taboo to say, yeah, I go see a psychologist.

(02:51):
For some people, it's like admitting something like you know,
lots of millions upon millions of people seek therapy. There
is nothing wrong with therapy. I would even say with
the with the marijuana or the marijuana thing. Now, I
live in a state where it is not legal, but
in states which is legal, it is still taboo for

(03:12):
grown adults to announce, like, yeah, smoke weed. You're allowed to.
It's again viewed is no different than a beer. If
you're at a home, you're not behind a wheel of
a car, you're not operating every equipment, you're not teaching
school children right like you can. These are things you
can actually do. It's still taboo to say, yeah, BYU

(03:33):
offered me more money than anywhere else, so that's where
I went, and he doesn't have to reveal. There's some
reports of it being seven million dollars. I don't see
that being I don't see that being viable or possible,
but I don't know. Again, I'm not going to call
anybody a liar. I just know that things that are
reported like that that doesn't really make financial sense for BYU,

(03:57):
with exception the fact that I think BYU, the Church
of Latter day Saints uses the football basketball program to
spread the gospel of John Smith. Right, so maybe it
is worth it to Ryan Smith, who's the billionaire owner
of the Utah Jazz, who supposedly is funding their nil collective.

(04:18):
And of course next year you can fund it in
house as well. But what still taboo is AJ demands
is saying, yeah, they offered me way more money than
anywhere else, and I'm allowed parents rules to take it.
It hasn't been done. All right, we'll get back to

(04:39):
that upcoming meantime. It's Doug Gottlib Show here Fox Sports Radio.
Did you see or hear about what happened with two
minutes to go in the fourth quarter of the Monday
night football game? Game is tied at twenty. Here's the
call in the Dallas Cowboys radio network.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
All right, here's the punt.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Raco got it.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Ball is blocked.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
The Bengals. You're gonna have a ball?

Speaker 3 (05:06):
No, you can't touch it.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Why don't block me on the line of scrimmage?

Speaker 3 (05:10):
And the Bengals.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
You're gonna have it at the forty five.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Oh my gosh, can you believe that? So they block
up Hunt, They block up Hunt in their own territory, right.
This is one of those if you just let the
ball bounce, nobody touches it, you go about ten fifteen yards,
you knick it for your goal. Good night, drive home safely. Instead,
it gives the Bengals do life. The Bengals win the game.

(05:35):
Here's Mike McCarthy about how hard that loss is the stomach.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Would you say that this is mightbe the toughest pill
to swallow as far as a non playoff loss.

Speaker 6 (05:44):
You can stick up this definitely, because I mean it
puts us in a season. You know, you understand that
we dug ourselves a hole, you know, the seven losses
coming in here, so we had we had to have
us one tonight, you know. And yeah, so definitely this
is a very very disappointing loss.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Here's Micah Parsons when he talked about the failed block punt.

Speaker 7 (06:04):
I wasn't even really grasping what was going on. Nick
made a great play, and then you know I asked
to rect, you know, explain what happened to me that
we touched the ball. It was definitely a huge momentum shift.
I mean, we just caught a huge stop. We're going
to two minute drill. It's just real hard to you,

(06:25):
you think, to believe you could pull that game out
from that situation.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
That hurts. Yeah, it does. By the way, it's not
like the Bengals were perfect. Jamar Chase scored a touchdown
late instead of sliding or taking a knee at the
you know, one foot line where he could have or
you know, I mean, I guess you could have. Although
I thought he I thought he caught the ball in
the end zone, but okay, instead of he got into

(06:53):
the end zone and scored late instead of milking the clock.
Here's Jamar Chase as to why I was thinking about
it sliding but I want to score. I was thinking
about slide. I wanted to score. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah,
And he put himself above team. And like I think,
Jamar Chase is as good as anybody who's ever played

(07:16):
the position. But you know, they are what your what
is it? You are what your record says you are.
And uh uh that touchdown was a forty yard touchdown.
But I was thinking of the early one in the
end zone. Body catches the ball forty yards and scores,
and you kind of got to think at some point

(07:36):
the Cowboys probably let him score and he just slide
at the one foot line. Clock runs out, game over
after a made field goal that you're you're gonna make
ninety nine percent of the time. Those two plays, by
the way, and again, I know that the offense has

(07:57):
not been the problem for or the Bengals, but is
it fair and I think it is to say those
two plays, the block punt that was touched and Jamar
Chase not sliding and taking a knee at the one
foot line, those are the perfect examples of why both
those teams, who are very talented are five and eight like. Look,

(08:21):
there's more two. For the Cowboys, they lost Dak Prescott,
They've had injuries on the defensive side. It's been a
bit dysfunctional. There's more to it. For the Bengals, the
defense has been bad. The t Higgins negotiations didn't end
up working out, and there are other reasons. But I

(08:43):
don't know how John Fossil doesn't relay to everybody during
the week throughout the season that if you block a
punt and it's rolling down the field, you do not
have to touch it. If you don't touch, we get
the ball. If you do touch it and you fubble it,

(09:03):
they can get the ball. And the same thing happens
for the Bengals. Again, is it the end of the world. No,
there is part of me that says, hey, score the
touchdown and then they got to do more than kick
a field goal to beat you. But if you slide
at the one foot line, remember it's a twenty all
ball game. The worst thing that could happen is bot
snap on a third down and then maybe you actually

(09:26):
kick it again, or you miss the you miss what
accounts amounts to an old school extra point, and you
go to overtime instead. You put it again in the
hands of your defense. The Bengals have the worst defense
in the NFL, and they end up holding on for
the win. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Dan, So, in watching that last play, it dawned on me,
in seeing on how the Cowboys player muffed the blocked punt,
that he was actually trying to do something that was
similar to of what the Cowboys did a couple of
weeks ago in a game against the Washington Commanders. Where

(10:06):
remember the on side kick that that Washington tried and
uh jan Yer Thomas.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
And the Cowboys picked up and ran back. Yes, and
it was not.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
The smart move if you want to talk, you know,
we're talking about Jamar Chase sliding and Thomas ran into
the end zone and scored. And even Mike McCarthy and
John Fossil at the sidelines during that game are saying
to themselves, wait, why did he do that? Why did
he score? We needed him to You could see them
talking about it.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Just the ball.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
Yes, And that's what I think happened last night.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
If you look, he's in the video several times.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
Yeah, it's like he almost lines up in the starting
blocks like he's about to take off.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
To get his right I think I think his right
foot was like back, like let's get this. I'm going
to go score a touchdown. Absolutely, it's the hero complex.
It's the same thing as Jamar Chase. There's no difference there.
Everybody wants to be the hero, the hero shot, score
the touchdown, take the picture, hold on the ball. Look
what I did? Yeah, see here complaints by the way

(11:09):
he didn't block the punt. I would I would actually
have a little bit of understanding for it is if
you block the punt, then you chase it down right,
you know, and you and you pick it up like, well,
I did the hard work. I blocked the punch. I
wanted the football, like I get that. But you're like
twenty yards down the field.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
The other The other great thing about this, I don't
know if it's great or not, but the guy who
botched his block that allowed the blocked punt was the
one who recovered the fumble for Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
That's awesome. You never quit a play, Yeah, to play
when you when you and look, this is all part
of sort of sort of kind of my my deal
with my own team. You know, we call it win
the margins. You know, there's these little things, the big things.

(11:58):
The shot goes in, doesn't go in, Like, hey, you
can help those percentages based upon how you're playing the shots,
who's taking them, where they're taking them, et cetera. But
you know, games are decided by plays like this, and
it's a sacrifice of self. They talk about football being
the ultimate team game. Those are two guys on each
team that ultimately failed their team. Jamar Chase failed his

(12:21):
team even though he's the best player on the football field.
I'm not criticizing Jamar Chase in wanting to score a touchdown,
and I'm sure playing fantasy owners are like, yeah, go
score that touchdown, but the right play for that team
is to fall down the one foot line, just like
for the Cowboys, same thing. We all know what the

(12:42):
right thing to do is. It's just hard to do
it cause your ego. Fans, your boys, did I mentioned
your ego, they will all tell you go get that ball,
pick it up, running back for a touchdown. You're the
hero and you have to find a way to separate
yourself from that and do the right thing for your team.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yes, Jason Stewart, it was amazing in the moment in
real time as we're watching it, and ESPN did a
good job of showing us as we're watching it in
the moment last night. The slow motion replay of the
reaction of John Fossil and then the reaction of Mike
McCarthy and then Zach Taylor, like the look on their faces,

(13:25):
they went, the entire spectrum on the emotions in each
of them was great TV. I know they did it
on purpose, but seeing those three guys react in so
motion was great TV.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, it was. They did. Honestly, that reminded me a
little bit of like Fox's baseball games. You know Foxes
that is known even in basketball, even in football for
doing more close ups than everybody else. And I agree
with you those are I don't know if it wasn't
Monday Night Football, if it gets covered that way. But
they did a very good job and you could you

(13:59):
could feel their emotions watching on TV. Feel it, really
feel it. Amazing. Oh, what a terrible way to lose
a game. You get a blocked punt, Like, how many
block punts do we think there are in an NFL season?
I hate no, And nobody blocks a punt anymore.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
No, And it was a fourth and twenty seven, and
they actually not that they were pinned back, but they,
as you said, they were in their own territory, deep
in their own territory. So if you're Dallas, you're thinking
set up for a return, because then all we're gonna
need is twenty yards in the world, Brandon Aubrey come
out and kick the field goal, and then they end
up blocking it because a guy whiffs on his block.

(14:38):
And that's the do you guys.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Have the Micah Parsons sound where he says like I
think we're I don't have you to say I think
we're cursed, or I think like just you know, everything's
going wrong. Yeah that sound. Take a listen to this
and I'll explain why I think we should play it.

Speaker 7 (14:55):
I'm hurt. I won't wish it so anybody. It seemed
like we're paying a dude. That's not fair.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, here's the thing. Okay, this was a self inflicted wound. Right,
this is a self inflictable. That's I think the biggest problem.
And again I think Michael Parson's no one would argue
he's an awesome player, and he's awesome. But the idea
that that they're like suffering some sort of fate, like

(15:31):
somebody's got a juju doll. Like, No, they blocked the punt.
That's great, play ball was rolling. Just let it go,
let it come to a stop. You know, if you're
gonna touch it, you better get it, and if you don't,
there's hell to pay. And that's what happened. But let's
not act like you know, somebody there's something that went
bumping the night. No, you blocked the punt. Things rolling,

(15:54):
it's turning end over end. It's an oblong object. It's
hard to catch, especially for a guy that doesn't normally
catch the ball. This sudd he got. Oh, no one
did this to you. You did this to yourself. And
that's where Michael Parsons is off. And that's where he
shows his immaturity, you know. And that's what's wrong. That's
part and Barcel, that's what's wrong with the Dallas Cowboys.

(16:15):
They have lots of issues this year, but when their
best player thinks they're cursed, when really all they had
to do is let the ball bounce, let it go.
And as you said, Dan, you nailed it perfectly right.
It's not like they haven't been in the situation before
or similar. I have zero sympathy none.

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(17:04):
I mean it's so funny that buyer points out the
cold front that's coming through, because last night it was
like balmy. It was like fifty degrees outside. And as
many of you guys know, I live on Green Bay
and I was like, man, this is I'm thinking about
lighting the fire and enjoying the night and went out
to get coffee, had a meeting early this morning and

(17:26):
just saw the temperature going down and down and down
and down. I'm like, why is it going down? The
later it goes in the day. And that's because what's
the line from what's this show? Everybody? HBO show? Come on,
Winter is Coming?

Speaker 5 (17:44):
What is the Game of Thrones?

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Thrones? Pinter is coming.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
I also will say something, Doug, and I know that
you were born in Wisconsin, but you said something that
is really really important and for people that aren't familiar
with the area. It's the pronunciation of green Bay. As
you said you are in green Bay, it's not green Bay.
There's a difference between green Bay as some would say,

(18:10):
as there would be a red, red Bay or a
blue Bay. No, it's green Bay, green Bay. The bay
is the part that's emphasized. It always kind of annoyed
me when people would emphasize the green portion of it
Green Bay. So it's Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Green Bay. Yeah, Dan, And this is for you. Now.
We didn't change the green uniforms. I was going to
change them and they were going to look like the
Celtics uniforms and just say Phoenix. But usually those are
your road uniforms, and your road uniforms usually say the
name of who you are. The home uniforms say your nickname.
And we got kind of a new back and forth.
I wanted to have green and then numbers and then

(18:48):
Bay underneath. They're like it was like a discussion about
I'm like, yeah, let's just do the green uniforms the
way they were. We'll figure it out next year. Anyway,
point is, I was thinking of you yes day when Kaden,
the captain, who's my he's a little bit of my.
Everything's my He does analyticsbody else that does video for us,

(19:09):
and he's like, what, what do you want to wear
the white of the gray tomorrow? It's like nope, He's
like you want to wear the black. Nope, I want
to wear the green. We have not worn the green yet,
and I just thought like, right, it's Milwaukee versus Green Bay,
So why not. We wear the green uniforms, the only
ones we have that say Green Bay on them.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
Yes. Also, yeah, I totally with it. It's the holidays
as well, should be you have guys have festive colors.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
It's it's great.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
Yeah, with more of the red.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
So I am no, there's no there's no red anymore.
They eliminated the red, although I do want to bring
back next year the old school throwback red uniforms. Okay, So,
and I'll give you the the etymology epology where it
comes from. So originally right, it was universe, she was
constant Green Bay and every thing was and they were

(20:00):
originally the Bay Badgers. They badgers, of course, because the
Badgers are in Madison, So there was like first it
was originally red. Then it always had the red, which
I thought made sense with the phoenix logo. But apparently
a couple of years ago with the refresh, they got
rid of the red. So we actually have there's an

(20:23):
all red that we thought about doing and we just
chose to not do it this year. We're gonna either
do those or do a Native American tribute uniform next year.
As most people know, there's like eleven tribes that basically,
you know that this used to be their land, and
I think we're doing Native American tribute uniform uniform next year.

(20:46):
So anyway, it's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I
just you know, anytime I think of uniforms, I think
of our guy, Dan Bayer. I think this one's easy, okay.
But I saw this note from Adam Schefter and it said,
despite his success replaced eting Kirk cousins Sam Donald, the
Minnesota Vikings haven't had any discussions regarding long term contract.

(21:09):
Shorts just told ESPNS Adam Schefter, And you know, we
had John Mitelkoff on the last hour and I didn't
ask him just because I knew we were going to
talk about this. But I don't know, guys, I just
if talent was an issue previously in his career, then
he wouldn't have been drafted number three overall, and some

(21:30):
people thought he could have gone number one overall. It's
never been a talent thing. It's not an athleticism thing,
and he's never had a serious injury. It's never been
an arm strength thing. It's been an inability to be consistent,
which he's by and large been that this year and
I get that we all want to seem smart. And
remember Quase Densa, I say his last name, the general

(21:57):
manager of the Minnesota Vikings. Doan Delphamensa, sorry, Adolphamensa came
from San Francisco and he is a brilliant kind of
analytics numbers dude. But he comes from San Francisco, and
you know that's where the coach comes from. That's where
you know Sam Donald comes from. Like it all does

(22:19):
come from the fact that you know there's a working
relationship with people in the past and you bring them over.
But and I do think that if you look at
Kirk Cousins, granted it's after a torn achilles tendon, he
was far better playing for Kevin O'Connell than he is
playing now. So some of it is the coaching, some

(22:41):
of it is the coaching, But I think if they
don't sign him to a long term deal, it's one
of those we want to act like we are we
know more than everybody else. Yeah, this guy's good, but
because imagine and I don't think. I don't think he's tree,
but we have no idea. And even with JJ McCarthy

(23:05):
being drafted in the first round, coming off of a national championship,
and of course Jim Harbaughs sang his praises last year.
Even with all of that, it was still felt like
a little bit of a reach for him to be
drafted that high, did it not? I just I don't
know why you wouldn't to not have any discussion. And again,

(23:26):
just because they leaked that to Adam Schefter, that could
feel like the agent going like, what are we waiting for?
And he leaks it to Adam Schefter, But why wouldn't
you go in now and just say, hey, let's get
a couple of year years done here at you know,
a substantial raise, and we can keep JJ McCarty. We
can move on from JJ McCarthy. We can do a
lot of different things. But if we can get the

(23:48):
starting quarterback who has years of experience, who's not a child,
and we can get him at I don't even think
you need Kirk Cousin's numbers. You go thirty million dollars
a year, three years guaranteed someone to three years, ninety
to one hundred million dollars like one who turns that
down too, He's going to be happy because he's a starter.

(24:09):
It's his team he knows everything about it. He's got
a quarterback finally, former quarterback coach. I think this one's
pretty easy.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
What am I missing, Dan, Doug, You're not missing anything,
and if you will, oblige me. I played this on
Sunday Show. This is sixty seconds of information that I
sat on Fox Sports Radio in August, Okay, and this
was right as JJ McCarthy was going down with his injury.

(24:35):
And I know it doesn't tie one hundred percent to
what you're talking about, but it ties into, I think
about ninety five percent of what you're talking about. Monsei
and I were filling in in mid August, and that
was the day JJ McCarthy was put on ir ending
a season. This is what I had to say about
that situation because it goes along with what you said.

(24:57):
This is good news for Minnesota. This is actually good
news for JJ McCarthy. This is great news for Sam Donald.
Not that you wish anybody to be injured, but this
is what this does. JJ McCarthy out for the year
in a season that he probably should have sat. Anyway,
this is the plan, This is the thought process. Unless
he completely wowed you, it's Sam Donald's year. There wasn't

(25:19):
a quarterback that was taken in the first round that
needed more time to sit than JJ McCarthy, And now
he'll just be doing some of it through rehab and
a knee injury, but he probably needs that season to
sit for Minnesota. You're not putting in a spot to
force JJ McCarthy into the starting lineup, which then translates
to Sam Donald, who signed the one year deal for

(25:40):
ten million dollars. If you're Sam Donald, you no longer
have to worry about anybody sneaking up behind you taking
your job, wondering when they're gonna pull the plug when
the bye week is gonna happen, because you may lose
your job the next week. This allows Sam Donald to
just all right, I'm gonna play, and I'm here on
the one year deal, and you know what, if we
do well enough, they'll either want me back or somebody

(26:03):
else will want me. And so that is in line
with everything you said. Sorry, I had to peacock a
little bit there, but the point is, Doug, you have
now found your quarterback. And JJ McCarthy was only the
tenth overall pick. It's not like you trade it up
and had him as the first overall pick, like the
Carolina Panthers did with Bryce Young. The goal is to

(26:25):
find a quarterback, whether you find it in the draft
doesn't have to always be that one. But I think
that you pay Sam Donald the money that he wants,
which isn't going to be sixty million dollars, could be thirty,
could be forty somewhere around that that window, and you
still have JJ McCarthy there, and what's the hurt of
him sitting around for next year? And if it falls off

(26:46):
the wagon next year, then you have McCarthy takeover. I
am completely in lockstep with you, the number one fan
of the Sam Donald fan club.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, I mean every once in a while, and again,
like coming out, if we're for being honest, I thought
he was way better than Lamar Jackson. That has proven
to be wrong.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
He through interceptions and it's not like I mean even
coming into the pro game that was a problem with
Donald's all.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
But I mean, but again, like one guy's a two
time MVP, the other guy has struggled and meandered around.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
Ye no, yeah, I'm not trying to say that just
like with like with Donald, like not everything is perfect
with Donald's What I'm saying, but there was stuff that
carried over from he wasn't the perfect prospect either entering
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
No, he was not.

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Speaker 4 (27:48):
Though?

Speaker 1 (27:48):
That? Like that that A J. DEBANSA he never when
he was at he like he never just said like
why are you going there? Because they paid me more
money than anybody else. Like, it's a pretty strong and
easy argument to have.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
It's also why you read the Christmas card and don't
just look at the money that falls out of the card, right,
gott to look like, thank you so much for this card. Yeah,
thank you so much. The Birthday card, same thing, read
the verse. Just don't look at the money.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
You know it's there.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
That's what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, it's that is actually interesting. So now do you
do when you give out presents to people? Do you
do gift cards or do you actually give presents to
everybody that you give presence to? Well?

Speaker 5 (28:34):
I like to give presents, but sometimes I think that
the person would rather just have the gift card because
then they can choose what they want. I'd rather give
cash than they could do whatever. You know, Hey, here
you go, but sometimes cash is tacky.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
I'd like to speak for Dan on this one of
anyone who works in this building, he's the most considerate
gift giver. He wants to put thought into gifts. I've
never heard of him given a gift card, but I'll
believe him.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, No, I mean I also think what he's laying
out there is what he really likes. Because in addition
to being a little bit of a picky eater like
anybody else, we're a picky we could be picky as
a gift. As gift receivers, I do think one Dan
is an especially considered gift giver, and two I think

(29:23):
it's especially considered to buy somebody a gift, no matter
how small. Just hey, I was thinking, especially if you
know something about that person that like you connect with,
you connect with like John Middlecoff, for example, Right, I
know John, I know how he lives, where he lives.

(29:43):
I know his passion for golf because he also has
a golf pod podcast. You know. So even if I
got him a sleeve of of of of titleists, you know,
I think that would be thoughtful more so than just
a gift card to a golf shop. H But I
don't know there's a John Middalcoff joins Just three Ounce

(30:03):
the podcast, and he joins us on the Dark Outlib
show here on Fox Sports Radio. Am I too harsh
to say that the Cowboys trying to pick up a
punt that was blocked, rolling down the field and fumbling it,
but just trying to get picked that one up and
run it back is the perfect example of why the

(30:23):
Cowboys are where they are, Just like Jamar Chase instead
of going in, instead of taking a knee at the
one yard line, going to the end zone also another
case of why the Bengals are where they are.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Jamar, you know you just you start running, and you
know you're trying to put up huge staffs for your contract.
I don't blame that much. You're just kind of in
the heat of the moment, go on full speed. The
Cowboy thing. I'm as critical on coaches in big situations
as anyone. You know, the Cowboys are a mass unit,
kind of like the forty nine ers. They bring this
kit up off practice squad. I would say one of

(30:57):
the first things you learned like football one oh one.
And once you play like college football is, and most
guys start, you know, unless you're a Jamar Chase, you're
gonna play special teams. And clearly this guy's probably been
playing spcial teams in college. Definitely in the NFL, has
been a part of every special teams meeting. You know,
when the balls fit pass line scrimmage, you can get
away from it. It's like football, that's the equivalent of

(31:19):
you know, like when you go to colleges an engineer
that you've already learned basic mass. So that's one hundred
on the player for doing I mean you see the
reaction of the dude right behind the guy, like everyone
knows that rule and it's something that gets hammered home
in these special teams meetings. And even if you're a

(31:39):
practice squad guy, you're still going to these meetings. So
I actually thought the Cowboys are pretty impressive. I mean,
they're losing offensive lineman, they're playing a quarterback who every
other series you think, like, how's this guy in the
NFL that overshown kid that towards ACL last year was
coming on. You're like, God, this guy's really good players
and he shatters his leg or knee. Uh and they

(32:01):
still they blocked that punty. All of a sudden, you think,
I can't believe the Cowboys are gonna win this game.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
And then and then that moment happened.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Dan.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
It's just one of those you could argue, have all
the dumb things that happened so far in this NFL
season on an individual player, that's probably near the top.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Okay, I do want to play for you. And again
this comes from place I think Jamar Chase is not
the best wide receiver in the league. He didn't want
the best wide receivers in the history league. I'm not
sure as anybody's ever done it better Like I mean that,
But this was what he said after the game in
regards to going down to the one. Instead, he went
all the way into the inZone.

Speaker 7 (32:36):
I was thinking about it sliding, but I'm going to score.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I was thinking about slide, but I wanted to score.
I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, I was thinking. No, you're like,
oh he did the battle. No, no, no, he was thinking
about it, and then he went in the inenzone, which
is the wrong play, right.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
I would say if I was like his agent or
his buddy or even Joe. It's Anthony Richindons was way worse.
But remember why everyone got them mad at Anthony Richards
are like, bro, just lie. If I was Jamar, I
would have been like, you know, guys we coached, we
talked about in the huddle when you know, I just
was spreading it just I I forgot, you know, I
was just in the heat of the play. It just

(33:17):
it escaped my mind. I think you could argue it's
worse saying that it crossed my mind. I was like,
screw it. I'm I'm gonna get my second touchdown, my
three hundred yards this game and shatter all records, which
you know, I think all little kids kind of understand.
But at the highest level, we're trying to win a game.
I think it would have been way worse. I mean,
at the end of the day, you're talking about what

(33:39):
were they to four and eighteens to you know, maybe
the Cowboys were five and seven. Yeah, if you told
me that they were, it was slipped and they were
nine and four. You're like competing to win the division.
I think we'd be a little more critical. But I mean,
let's face it, even with that win, the Bengals season
has felled over for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, but again any time, but right now, wrong play right? Correct?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah? I mean you're you're the coach. You can get
on the guy. But you know these I think he
would go, uh, I don't want to. Yeah, I made
a mistake, but we all know that we have one
of the best quarterbacks in the league. You know, I'm
one B on this team. So what's anyone going to
say to me? You could argue that's the problem with
just the culture of the team.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Then yep, yep, it's the is the Gotlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio? Uh, that's uh, that's John Middlecoff. Let's
let's work our way backwards. Did anyone on Earth not
think the Chiefs are going to find a way to
win that game? Like I was just like, it doesn't
matter who coaches the Chargers. I feel like they're going

(34:43):
to lose that game. Despite taking the lately.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I don't want to Chargers pulled ahead. I was like,
this is going to be like the defining Harbaugh year
one moment and his team it just felt like Michigan.
It was ugly. They were just it was such a
physical game. I get horriball so much credit. You know,
part of the reason the Chiefs have won back to
back championships are gonna end up the number one seed
even though everyone in a weird way like things they

(35:07):
suck is they're just so tough physically and mentally. And
for a large part of that game, the Chargers matched
them with not as many good players, and I know
they lost, but man, that was I have thought that
was a really impressive performance. At the end of the day,
you lost partly too, because I mean Mahomes made a
spectacular play on third and seven, like the difference like

(35:30):
that sucks to lose when you were in position, you know,
potentially to get one of the biggest upsets of the year,
not necessarily points spread wise, but just what it would
have meant for the Chargers to win that game on
the road, to go from what they had last year
with Brandon Staley, and not even just the record, but
just the way we talked about the team and the
way the players acted, you know, in relation to him,
to what that vibe is. Now, don't they kind of

(35:52):
feel like the Chiefs light already? I mean we're December tenth,
and hard Buzz already got this team like this works,
wait till they got better players. I was blown away
by the Chargers to go on the road in that
cold environment where the Chiefs are just physical, and to
go toe to toe with them and listen, I don't
even need to look at a stats. I think Herbert's
playing as well as he ever played. I mean, especially

(36:13):
when you factor and who's throwing too. So I'd be
pretty bullish if I was on the Chargers, I'd be like,
you guys, better not let us have a good offseason,
because we could be like super Bowl in the super
Bowl mix next year.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
What's your reaction to what the Bills did first and
goal just over a minute ago, full vote of timeouts,
have to get two scores instead they run a quarterback sneak.
Don't get it, have to call a timeout, you know.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
I think sometimes you just ride with what got you
the dance, and in that situation it bit them, right.
I mean it's just I have a hard time. You know,
Colin Josh's number, and you get bit. Obviously, Brady goes nut.
You could just it's even if it's incomplete, obviously doesn't
kill you. I get big picture. I mean, they hadn't

(37:06):
stopped the Rams all day, would it really changed anything.
I mean, the game was To me, the game wasn't
And coaches sometimes say this, and you know you probably
do too. You know, the game wasn't lost on that play.
The game was really lost in the first half. It's
like last week in the Packers, Like they didn't lose
the game down the stretch on that fourth down call.
They lost the game in the first half when they
scored seven points against the defenses, rolling out Jamal Adams.

(37:29):
And to me, the bill starting so slow in a
game where the quarterback plays one of the best games
of his career, that once got a sting.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
No, I listen, I get it, okay, and I get it.
And when we talked about this yesterday, I admitted, like, look,
I've I don't know if you know this, but in
college basketball, the clock runs even after a made shot
in the first half. So if you're behind, you're trying
to shorten the game. And what you can do is

(37:58):
you can let the ball bounce and then take the
ball in and you know, roll it in, or let
it bounce and not touch it. So you can go
from like you can bleed it from fifty seconds almost
all the way to the to like thirty something, and
so we had actually talked about it the day before
and talk to our players about it. And you know,

(38:18):
they score, and we have three guys that go and
simultaneously go and tie their shoes, which was a it's
a great move, right, they go tie their shoes and
then he goes over to get the ball and he
doesn't touch it until last second. But our guy went
over there, picked it up and threw it in throw
it right to his teammate, like what are you doing.
The point is that the Buffalo Bills, this is the year,

(38:40):
this is the year, and to not manage the clock
at the end of a game, especially when like look
they had the Bills dead to right dead rd's beaten
three years ago with the thirteen second thing. That one
really hurt. That one struck me as like what are
we doing, Bills.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
I think one problem too is I would say the
more ingregious one and you know, given that it felt
like they were going to win. The game was the
Texans game, and I do think it's fair to question
and Andy had this over his head for a long time,
like Sean has this like can't really manage the game
mantra that hangs over him. And I think the problem

(39:17):
is is everyone's looking It's like, well, you got like
prime Lway or Prime Farb right now, and the AFC
couldn't be more wide open. Right, You've proved you can
beat and go toe to toe with the Chiefs. Like
of all the teams, I think most people like, we've
seen the Ravens until Lamar doesn't, no one's going to
pick them. We'll see the Steelers who play the Chiefs
in a couple of weeks how that goes. But like,

(39:39):
the one guy who plays the best against the Chiefs
pretty consistently is Josh And it's like the coach can't
get in the way in that spot, you know. And
that's just until they kind of shed that. And this year,
I mean it's crazy. The AFC obviously has a bunch
of famous quarterbacks and famous franchises. It definitely is wide open,
as Ben right, I mean, this is was like the

(40:00):
year that the Chiefs probably don't do it. But who's
gonna are you gonna feel confident? Ben against them at
Arrowhead in the middle of January in a freezing cold
game where it's gonna be Chiefs are gonna be like, well,
this game is probably gonna be in the teams anyway.
You're not gonna score thirty points and negative one degree weather.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Last one, Sam Donald. I get that you have JJ McCarthy.
I get it, I get it, But are you really
gonna let him walk out? Sam Donald? Walk out the door?
And if you're not, what's the absolute limit you would pay?

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I would be offering him right now like the Cousins, Deeal.
You know, four years buck eighty ninety million dollars guaranteed,
and you know, see if he would take that. The
whole point of the sport is to get a good quarterback,
right They had Cousins and he tore the achilles and
they're like, yeah, and that was the right move. And

(40:58):
then they signed Donald to a Bridge Corps back. Great move.
Then they draft a quarterback in the first round, they
don't have to like overspend or trade crazy up. Good move.
And then just like let the cream rise out of
the two. What are the chances that JJ McCarthy's ever
going to be this good? Because if you just watch football,
how often do quarterbacks throw thirty five thirty six touchdowns
and the lead a team that's thirteen wins? It's pretty rare,

(41:21):
like you kind of know it when you see it.
I mean last week, some of those plays the guy
made scrambling around. It's like, this is why you got
rid of Cousins, because you wanted this out of JJ
and then you found it in stands. And sometimes you
like strike oil with a guy late in his career,
like what they did with Rich Dannon with the Raiders
twenty plus years ago.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Listen, what the what the Vikings did with Randall Cunningham
late in.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
His career like I and if he hit the open market,
someone given him two hundred million dollars off one good season.
Probably not, so can you get him, you know, for
cheaper than Tua. He's really talented, he's a good athlete,
got a huge arm, and now he's like a winning player.
I would keep them.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I would as well middle coffee, the best uh you know,
sleeve of pro v ones maybe on their way. That
seems like a good, thoughtful gift in the meantime. Thanks
for being our guest on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
See you, buddy, where
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