December 11, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug and the crew share their favorite NFL receiver diva moments in this week's version of "The Midway". Doug welcomes NFL Analyst Daniel Jeremiah for his weekly hit to talk about the Chargers, AJ Brown and all of the major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a Wednesday edition of "The Press".
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What do you think that picture? Jay Stu, Sammy Sami,
you want to get on that plane? And head to
Dan Bayer's home state.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
It looks like it would be fun for maybe forty
eight hours and then I would want to return home.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Uh yeah, next forty eight hours is gonna be rather cold,
rather cold.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I didn't get the picture. It's not showing up here.
I mean lost in the ether. I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I mean buyer. Did you get the picture?
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couple of bombing fifty plus degrees days and it went
from it was it was lightly frozen, then it was,
uh there was just a couple of spots and there's
probably about, you know, two thousand Canadian geese in the
water outside of my home. And then last night a
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cold front went through. It got a little dusting of snow,
and now the baseback frozen over.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yeah, not safe to walk down yet.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
No, do not walk on that, say it is not
ready to be walked on.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
But that's gonna make for some badass ice fishing. Have
you gotten any gear yet? Your little cabin, your little
mobile tent thing? You gonna do any of that at
some point?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Uh? Yeah? Maybe do people know, like I had no
idea about some of these things. Frozen pizza is huge
in Wisconsin, but it's huge and wis constant goes. Who
you do is you get a frozen pizza and in
the summer you put it on a grill outside. In
the winter you actually cook it on a little grill
inside one of those one of those huts. Like that's
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i'd be wait. Yeah, so no, I have not gotten
any gear. I do not tend to get any gear.
I just think that with the best course of action
for me is somebody wants to invite me, I'll go
with them. I'll go with them. Hey, it is Wednesday,
which is middle of the week. It's what is it
one O three on the West coast? Yeah, one O
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three on the West coast, roughly middle of the day,
roughly middle of the show. Let's get to the midway.
It's not getting the middle.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
It's time for the middle.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
What it'snug Gotlab show, Fox Sports Radio. Okay, So what
we do for the midway generally is we uh, we
had We've had a couple of different discussions and I'll
give you guys too, and this is your show as
much as it's mind. Jay Stu proposed one of the
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best wide receiver Diva moments situations. Ever, it does feel
like we talked a little about this, but okay, or
the one that Jay Stu and I discussed before the show,
which is we're gonna wrap our heads around something one
Soto signed for? Was it seven twenty six? So within
(04:00):
I don't know, five seven sixty five? Okay, seven sixty five.
He's offered seven twenty six or something I think from
the Yankees. Right, one more year, more money from from
the Mets. We're getting close to a billion dollar baseball player.
It's ill give me a billion dollar athlete, billion dollar contract.
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Who will that be? Dan byre which which topic would
you prefer in the midwe.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Well, I like the one that I knew about, So
I'm going with the Diva wide receivers. PARVA wide receivers,
is my answer.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I assume, Yeah, I thought that's what we were going
to get into.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I can't see into the future, so I don't know
who these these billion dollar stars might be.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, Hey, this is a democracy.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
It actually felt like a coup that Doug was trying
to take over with his no no no, no, not
these constituents.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Jason and I was eased.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It was Jason and I. We did discuss this at length,
but we didn't really come I came up with Jackson
Curio is the only guy I could come up with.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And I think that that might be the inherent issue
with that topic is that I think it goes to
like it's probably someone that we don't know about yet
Holiday It's one of those two. So that's the midway.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So the midway. The midway is the midway is best
diva wide receiver moments. Since you prepared for it and
you are a walking history book in the nast Football League,
Dan Barr, why don't you begin?
Speaker 6 (05:34):
It's funny because I think that there's an obvious number
one in the variety of issues.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
But I'm going to go in a different direction.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Yes, I think Antonio Brown walking off the field with
his shirt off in a game against the New York
Jets Alheimer. It truly is like, I know we're going
to get into the other player, and I don't want
to steal it. But of all the things that have
happened leading up to it, and Antonio Brown thought to
be that Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Would get him right.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
The visual of him prancing off the field in his
football pants with no shoulder pads or jersey and saying
goodbye to the game is one I just cannot get
out of my mind. I think it is the number
one diva moment of any wide receiver in the history
of the National football.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I think we just had an anniversary of that. Does
that make sense? Is that what four year?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
It was later in the year that there's his bone.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I think the reason I thought about the topic is
because of you know, Deebo Samuel is having some drama
in San Francisco right now. AJ Brown's having drama in Philadelphia.
But the Diba Samuel thing that I want to talk
about happened two years ago. So you remember the first
time before he didn't get his contract extension and he
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was leveraging the forty nine ers and Jeff Darlington came
out and he tweeted out the following I just spoke
with receiver Deebo Samuel and he told me that he
has asked for the forty nine ers for a trade.
So Deebo takes to social media and he's like, don't
believe everything you read on the internet. Don't believe reports.
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Darlington was like, I spoke directly to you and that's
what you told me.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I got one that I don't think is on the list.
I mean, I think the guy that Dan's talking about
is Tarall Owens, right, the oldest evil wide receivers, which
is which is amazing that there's so many you could
talk about.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
There was the standing on the star, then he becomes
a cowboy. There's the sit ups and curls in the
in the driveway when he's a Philadelphi Eagle. There was the.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Solar saving him. And you're listening all of the things
that he's done.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
I'm moving him for later. But you've just rattled off
three of the top diva moments. All that more that
Tara Owens has done.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
There's so many more, so many more. But look, here's
I'll just give you one which probably does it. Not
top diva moments, but a guy who no one thought
was a diva late in his career became a little
bit of a diva. But do you remember when Andre
Johnson kicked the crap out of Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I don't know why I just thought of that one.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Courtland Finnigan, Sorry, Courtland Fittigan. Do you remember when he
kicked the crap out of Courtland Finnigan and Courtland Finigan
was the diva cornerback and Andre Johnson was like a
guy out of Miami. But he didn't celebrate like all
those guys in the U. I don't know that one
just jumped out to me. But of course I'm gonna
take too, right, there's so many toos. There's the remember
he showed up he was a bill and like the
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people in Buffalo greeted him at the at the airport.
That thing didn't last. There was he did something against
the Giants when he was a Niner, when he had
like twenty catches against the Giants. There was obviously that
that's my quarterback thing. There was the throwing. Yeah, there
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was also the throwing. The throwing down a McNabb under
the bus after they lost in the Super Bowl. I
wasn't the one who threw up in the trash can.
I wasn't the one who's scared right. So many too moments,
and probably the culmination is he had his own Hall
of Fame ceremony instead of going to the actual Hall
of Fame. So like, you can't make that up. Yeah,
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you can't make that one up.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Uh remember we remember this to you all moment, rightshretty unfair.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
That my team, it's my quarterback. And if you guys
do that, man's aren't fair.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Who lost hill the team?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Give that me an Academy award.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
I mean it's listening, but it tucks that up against
I mean, he is attacking Donovan McNabb this week like
he's He's taken shots at Donovan McNabb within the last
couple of days for Donovan McNabb's take on the A. J.
Brown Jalen Hurts thing so so tl giving and showing
Tony Romo tons of grace and Donovan McNabb is still
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feeling it. As of December tenth, twenty twenty four. I
know it's the eleventh, but at least as of yesterday,
I don't think he tweeted at Donovan McNabb today.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
It truly is like it's.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Somebody and even like the crying of remember when he
cut the touchdown pass against the Packers. That was very
Wisconsin accent that came out, but and he was crying
off the fielders, Yeah, against the Packers with it. Do
you remember that the wild card game he caught it
at the goal line, Steve Young right at the buzz
and Craig Tio's crying and bawling it. I don't know
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that it's diva, but it's the many different ways of
Terrell Owens.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
You get chip popcorn? Ready, Sam, did you have one? Well?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I did.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Think of another cowboy wide receiver who was kind of
looked at as a diva during his time in Dallas
would be former Oklahoma State cowboy Des Bryant. Maybe not
to the degree of t O, and probably not to
the success of Teo, but he caused some mostly throw
me the ball kind of stuff, you know, your typical complaints.
But I mean I also think about Antonio Brown, you know,
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not even playing for the Raiders, burning his feet in
the cold, cryoud chamber, had the helmet issue, you know,
he did, went on social media like a live stream
in the locker room for the Steelers. I mean, the
list goes on and on. He had his failed venture
into arena football being like an owner.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
I mean, the guy's got There could be a book
written about him. I'm sure there will be at some point.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Guys, there's a bunch that we haven't hit on though, Okay,
you have Steve Smith.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Steve Smith, does.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
It going right? You have chad Ocho Cinco was once
Chad Johnson, who, as we discussed a couple of weeks ago,
that he actually had a yellow jacket Hall of Fame
jacket made for him. Yeah, on the sideline.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And just the fact that he changed his name.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Nothing, Yes, you're right, nothing says diva wide receiver, much
like changing your name to the Mexican word for your number.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Which is actually just eighty five. It's not eighty five.
But yeah, I get the picture.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yes, Ochenti Sincoe.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I think the chad Ocho Cinco thing, though, I think
what the great thing about him being a diva was
how it didn't work in New Orleans or I'm sorry,
New England because he was a diva.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So I guess you're figure that's not why I didn't
work well.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
The day that he was cut from the Patriots would
be that would be a great culmination of why exactly
did that ever even start in the first place. Ocho
Cinco and Bill.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Belichick, our buddy here at Andy here at Fox Sports Radio,
Andy Furman was behind the whole o Cho Sinko racing
a horse.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Thank you, He raced a horse. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Andy Furman was a part of the man verse beast.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Oh wait, there's a couple of Wait, we're forgetting one
of the initial one of the original Diva wide receivers,
preceded to O, preceded all these guys, the playmaker Michael Irvin. Yes,
you know, he had the white House. I mean he was.
He was the first with the obnoxious constant first down
point right, And you go back to when he was
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at the U and they came out the plane and
the fatigues like, if there's ever been a guy that
says Diva wide receiver, it's the playmaker Michael Irvin.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
He was, He was the start of it. Randy Moss
as well.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Sure like he's well beloved now as a media member,
and his skills were undeniable.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
But there were Diva moments, no doubt. When he went
to Oakland, right, yeah, I wanted to give effort.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
No, that's I play when I want to. Right, that
was in Oakland and he comes doing what people forget
about New England. Everybody now just remembers the fact that
he had how many touchdown receptions that year when they
had Brady had fifty twenty one or something that was
twenty maybe twenty three, twenty one, something like that. But
people forget it ended really poorly, like he was done.
They were done with him. They kind of me went
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to They traded him to Tennessee for like a bag
of footballs to twenty.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Three a bag defloited footballs.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Remember, Keishawn Johnson wrote a.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Book Shawn Johnson. Shawn Johnson, Throw me the damn ball,
Throw me the damn ball, Keyshawn Johnson. That's a good one,
and the others. There's got to be some that were missing.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
DeShawn Jackson was Jax. Yeah, he was a showbold. I
think you can put him in the Diva thing. He
was infamous for the dropping the ball before the goal line.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, Can I get the
Dan Buyer? Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on, there you go. I have a question here,
Dan and your knowledge of football. Hold on, hold on,
superseds mine. Did Dion ever play wide receiver?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah? Yeah, it did for the Cowboys in their Super
Bowl year Super Bowl thirty.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
And when Dion would get a touchdown, there was I
mean it was he did the Dion dance. He had
the prime time he would walk down the sidelines. He
would check his hair while he was still running with
the football. He didn't drop it early like d Jacks.
But let's be honest, prime time was was was a
DIVA wide receiver, cornerback, kick return.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Would you guys also say Odell Beckham Junior?
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah, yep, well the Odell Sweepstakes. Yeah. Andre Risen got.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
His house at Moon Rising, but before he got.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
His house burned down, I think he was. He was
one of those quote unquote misunderstood players.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, by the way, its Andre Risen to it now.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I would just pulled up Dion stats.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
You talked about him being a wide receiver and he
played it in Atlanta and uh, you know a little
bit in San Francisco. But in that nineteen ninety six
season for the Cowboys, he had sixty seven targets.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
That's incredible.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
I think that was the year after they won the
Super Bowl, because I think it was the ninety five
season heading into ninety six. But yeah, his second season
he had sixty seven targets, thirty six catches, four hundred
and seventy five yards.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
That year as a receiver.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I'm gonna say something which I only said when I
mean it. I was wrong. You guys are right, much
better topic than the one I came up with. That's
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Draft Analyst and the color voice of the La Chargers.
Let's go to the Chargers. Man, it felt like that
same story on repeat. I know they're better coached, but
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the Chiefs again, Final Drive again? What was that like
to call? What was that like to be part of?
Speaker 7 (17:55):
I think there is a little bit of cutting bas
you know from you know, not only the Charger games,
but really most of their games this year have have
been similar where they don't play very well. They're not
you know, there's no dynamic element to their offense, but
their defense, which has flaws as well in the secondary,
you know, finds a way to keep the score down
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and keep the game close, and then they hand the
ball off, you know, to Pat Mahomes with three, four,
five minutes left in the ball game, and he makes
the you know, the three clutch plays at the end
to get them a win. It's just a script that
they've been you know, they've been showing each and every
week pretty much doesn't matter if it's the Carolina Panthers,
the Chargers, the Raiders, whoever it is. It's it feels
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like all these Chiefs games are ending exactly the same.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yes they yes, they absolutely positively are. This is the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
let's bounce around the league here and a bunch of
different stuff to get to. Let's the Pittsburgh Steelers have
a huge game this week against the Buffalo Bills. Start
with the Bills. How can you run the ball on
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first down when you have three timeouts in your down
two scores?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Not ideal, Uh, not ideal at all. I just it
has to be one hundred percent certain you're going to
get in at that point in time. It's just, you know,
you have all those downs to get the ball in
through the air without eating up any clock and wasting
a time out. It just I don't want to say
it was overly aggressive, a brain cramp. I don't know
what their thought process was, but that's not that should
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not be an option.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
How how do you think they match up with Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
Well, I think they have no Lions this week, don't.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm I'm at the Detroit Lions.
I apologize. I got my Battle of Pennsylvania mixed up
with with that game. When I get to the lines
in a second, Lions survived yet again. Yeah, okay, And
here was my thought obviously, going for it instead of
kicking a forty something yard field goal and then getting
into you know, ninety five percent range. Let's just start
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with the idea of Dan Campbell and the go for
which I thought came back to bite them last year
against the Niners. As somebody who you know played observed
been a part of scouting departments, what do you think
of how Dan Campbell coaches his team.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
I think Dan Campbell has a good feel on the
pulse of that thing, and that's how they've you know,
that's kind of been their ethos, that's what they believe in,
it's how they go about it. You know, I can
make a very strong rational argument against it at times,
and that you know probably would have been one of them.
Obviously the Niners game. I think you can look back
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and uh and say, Okay, maybe should have been a
little bit more conservative. But in some ways, I feel
like with coaches, Doug and you know, you're right in
the thick of it. I think that it's tough on
the outside to tell a coach the style and manner
in which they should play, because those coaches know what
works for their team better than anybody else on the outside.
(21:00):
His team. Give the guy credit. They've responded to the
way that he calls games and how ultra aggressive he is.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Do you make a big deal of the fact that
teams you know, Bears could have beaten him, could have lost.
I know they didn't lose those games, but it feels
like the league might be catching up a little bit
to the offense. Do you make a big deal about
that at all?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
No.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
I mean, I think they're showing some grit and some
toughness to be able to find ways to win these games.
I still think when you look at the landscape of
the NFL, you know, and the Eagles almost had to,
you know, stub your toe moment last week against the
Carolina Panthers. The Carolina Panthers we talked about, gave the
gave the Chiefs a good game. So you've got the Eagles,
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the Chiefs, the Bill the Lions. I think those are
kind of the four best teams and they've all kind
of shown some vulnerability here. I just think over seventeen games,
you're not going to have your your focus and your
absolute a game each and every week.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
No, no, you're no, you're not. Okay, let's get to
that Battle of Pennsylvania. Yeah, let's start with Philadelphia. What
are you hearings going on between quarterback and wide receiver?
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Well, I mean, I you know, I don't know the
logistics in terms of what it looked like throughout the
scope of their relationship. When you hear stories, okay that
that you know, when you have a quarterback and a
receiver who were perceived to be best friends when when
AJ got there, that maybe that's not the case anymore.
I know Brandon Graham has walked back a lot of
(22:31):
the stuff that he said. I have been talking to
I was talking to somebody about this the other day.
Was another wide receiver complaining about something, and I don't
remember exactly who it was, and I just said, you
know what, that's people are making a big deal of it,
of the wide receiver's complaints. And my thought was the
wide receivers like the Marvin Harrison seniors of the world,
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who just kind of quietly go about their business and
don't don't bark or say anything. I mean, those guys
are the exception. I mean, this is kind of more
than norm you know, Ego Samuelly seeing it with aj
You've seen Pickings get frustrated like that just kind of
comes along with that position, of any position on the field.
I tend to not overreact to whatever outburst you might
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get it from that spot. It's been that way at
that position for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yep, yep. No, they are they good enough to get
to a Super Bowl, right Like the AFC is up
for grabs. The NFC, it's like, hey, the Lions seem
to have their stuff together. Granted, the defense some injuries
and not the greatest defense in the world. You go
around that go around that league, but they, you know,
the Eagles do continue to win. How big a buyer
(23:41):
are you into them in the playoffs?
Speaker 7 (23:43):
I'm a buyer. I think they've got experience. I think
they're physical on both sides of the line of scrimmage.
I believe in their defense a little more than I
believe in the Lions. You know, look, if it came
down to a drive and making throws, I would you know,
I would go towards Jared Goff and not hurt. But
I think hurts in the run game and complimenting Sae
(24:03):
Kwon Barkley in the run game, I think they can.
They can turn an NFL game into what feels like,
you know, a quarter and a half of football, but
they just shrink the game with their ability to control it.
So yeah, I think the Eagles are a very very
dangerous team. I think they're a team capable of one.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
In the whole thing. Yeah, I would I tend to
agree with you. All right. What about the Steelers? You
know we're all kind of wait and see on the
offense with Russell Wilson. Where are you on the Steelers?
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Well, I give their organization so much credit because they
rebuilt their offensive line over a two year period and
the quarterback is going to get all the attention, and
Russ has played well, He's done a nice job and
that was one hundred percent the right decision to go
to him over fields. But to me, the story of
this team is the defense as good.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
As it's been.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
You know, that's not a surprise Russ doing his thing.
But to me, the biggest change in this team from
where it was a couple of years ago to where
it is now. They can move people up front along
the offensive line, and I would include Wash you know,
I got three hundred pound tight end, are the biggest
tight end in the NFL who can move people as well.
So that's opened up the run game. You're seeing Jalen
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Warren do some good things. Najie Harris is just kind
of their body blowback and now now that kind of
opens everything up for Russell Wilson. And it's a team
that's gotten better too, you know, for the sign of
a good coach. You know, Mike Tomlin, everybody points to
the fact that he's had all these years in a row,
you know, odd or above five hundred hasn't had a
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losing season. To me, that Mike Tomlin calling card a
little bit is this team's getting better. You know, throughout
the season, they're getting hardened, they're getting callous, and they're
playing really good football.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I believe Calherd is trying to He's trying to claim
that he's with you and me on Sam Donald all along.
I you know, we talked about this in the offseason
that I was still holding that penny stock that was
Sam Donald. Okay, So I put you in the position
of quaseid and some adelphamensa. Okay, he's the general manager
(26:04):
of the Vikings. You have JJ McCarthy who hasn't played,
but he'll be on a rookie contract for the next
couple of years. Or you could re sign Sam Donald.
What do you do.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Well, Look, if it was any other coach, I think
I would make the I would make the solo decision
and say, hey, I'm not putting all of our livelihoods
in the hands of somebody that I haven't really seen play.
I know obviously has not played an NFL game in
JJ McCarthy. We've seen what we have in Sam Donald.
Let's at least run this back another year, give JJ
(26:39):
Moore time. That would be my thought process for you know,
as a general manager with just about any other coach
ball Ta. Kevin o'connells to me, has he has earned
the right to have a major say so in this decision?
In other words, if you go to him and say, Okay,
here's the plan with Sam, here's you know, if we
(26:59):
were to maybe tag and trade Sam or just let
him walk and use these resources that we would save
financially and invest in other areas, would you rather have
Sam alone or would you rather have JJ McCarthy plus
whatever we can do with the difference in money and
picks that we would get for moving on from Sam.
And if Kevin is very confident and straight up told
(27:21):
me that, hey, I can win with JJ. I know
what he does well, I can build the offense around him.
I think that coach O'Connell's kind of earned. He's kind
of earned his stripes to be able to have a
major say so in that.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Have you gotten a chance to analyze Ashton genty yet?
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Yeah? He is a stud man. I'm a little worried
about the workload. I don't necessarily love that. But he
can do everything. I mean, he is strong, he's powerful,
he's a home run hitter. He can catch the ballut
of the backfield, and then maybe something as exciting as
what you see on the field is the reviews that
I've gotten from scouts that have gone in there. In
(27:58):
terms of the character in the background, it's it's off
the sharks about you know, the makeup with this kid.
So yeah, I'm I'm excited to see him as we
go through the playoffs. I think people have kind of
kicked dirt on Boise. I've just been around that program
for way too long. I've been up there for way
too long. And maybe it's my my app State background, Doug.
(28:18):
But winners win man be careful dismissing them and saying, oh,
who's got the easy bracket? Who gets to go through Boise?
Careful what you wish for?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
No, no, listen, I agree with you. Obviously they're going
to play in play in Phoenix. I also I think
actually they got an easy draw, like SMU and Penn
State are two really flawed teams. You know, it wouldn't
it wouldn't bother me at all. They weren't even in
the field, So I'm with them. There's a world there.
I just I thought they got to see that they
shouldn't get.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
But I would know that there's system. That's the system
that to me, I think you put the you get
the automatic bid for winning your conference all in on that.
But I do think, you know, that's that's where that ends.
And then you see them, you know, one through twelve.
But can I push back on one thought by the way,
I know it's been out there a lot, and as
someone who does the you know, has lived in the
(29:07):
draft world for over twenty years, don't let's not make
the argument of who the most talented teams are and
those are the teams that deserve to go someplace. Okay,
and that's not just me as a Padre fan who's
seen a team that was the most talented team in
baseball two years ago didn't even make the playoffs. That's
not what sports is. Sports doesn't mean you have the
most talented team you're guaranteed to win things. It's whoever
(29:30):
the best team is. That's what it is. That's what's
so great about sports. So to say that we should
have five or six SEC teams in because they're gonna
have the most players drafted, that's that's the opposite of
what sports is all about.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I understand. But they're the juxtaposition of that with the
fact that they play one another against more talented teams,
deeper teams on a weekly basis, which like it becomes
a war attrition. You're going to get beat up, right
as opposed to Boise playing against the Mountain West. So
completely different level of weekly competition. And they only stepped
up in weight class once. You know, one point lost
(30:05):
to Oregon if you put them in the Big ten.
I think it's very reasonable, no matter how good a
team they are, that they don't have the same record
or even close to the same record.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
No, And I think that's why those conferences get rewarded
with three teams. You know, sometimes we're going to see
four teams from certain conferences. But I don't fall in
line with the Well, you know, you couldn't finish in
the top three in your conference and you can get
your doors blown off by Oklahoma and Vanderbilt, who last
I checked, that don't elicit the most impressive tape when
(30:39):
you study their teams this year. Look, you get one
team from these other conferences. That's the way it's set up.
The other teams these power conferences get three or four
if you're not If you don't play well enough in
your conference to finish in the top three. Sorry, I
don't have any I don't care how many NFL players
you have on your team. You're not going to playoff.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
He's Daniel Jeremiah co hosts Moved the State podcast. You
hear him on Charger Calls on radio, and of course
you can see him on the NFL newe DJ. You're
the best man. Appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Thanks buve to see you coming.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
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(31:47):
The press Hey there, Dan, what do you got?
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Doug got a bunch, so let's get right to it.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Bronnie James gonna make his G League road debut playing
tomorrow in Phoenix against the Suns G League affiliate. So
Bronnie taking the G League show on the road.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Uh did he fly there with the team? Did he
fly their private?
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I don't know. I just said he's found out, he's
gonna chances.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
He drove the six hour Drive zero point zero zero
zero zero.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Great drive, it really is. I recommend it. I drove
it for the Super Bowl and I forgot my wallet
and Paul when I was in Palm Springs. Then Jason
Stewart bring up with him. Oh what a what a
good drive? Though, it's a really actually it's a really
nice drive.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Not any more white than before I had it. By
the way, Yeah, he did not steal anything.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
No, that's that's because you never took Jason's advice on craps,
which I have where my wallet got very light.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Oh we know the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Hold on, Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. Jason
Stewart's got a system. Hold on, he's got a system. Okay,
he's got a system.
Speaker 8 (32:58):
Sorry, go ahead, that's that's all right, Roger Goodell, speaking
today on the likelihood of the NFL expanding from seventeen
games to an eighteen game regular season schedule.
Speaker 9 (33:08):
We are doing analysis, i would say, but we are
not formalizing any plans at this point. You know, we
learned something when we went from sixteen to seventeen. If
we do go to eighteen, I'm sure we'll learn something,
but hopefully some of the learnings from the last time
will help us.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, we're gonna learn We're gonna make a lot more money.
So we wait, and then we wait, and then we
need to make more money than we make more money,
and then we start. Then we float around the idea
of a nineteenth in the twentieth game, and then we wait,
and then we make more money. That's what we do.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
We know we do.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Then we make more money, and then we make more money,
and then we make more money. Did I mention we
make more money? I mean that's the same thing with
the Charlie Baker NCAA tournament thing, right, Okay, trying to
pay off these lawsuits. What's the best way? More games,
more inventory, more money.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
NFL executive Troy Vincent says that the Competition Committee this offseason,
we'll look into the possibility of reviewing penalty including face masks.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
That one seems kind of easy, right yep. Now, the
only thing about the face mask review is in slow motion,
like a brush on the face mask or you know,
can look a little bit more nefarious than than an
old school grass. So I do have Dan byer, if
you were on the Rules execut committee, what about this
(34:25):
when reviewing penalties, penalties have to do it in game
speed game speed, because a hold looks a lot worse,
a face mask looks a lot worse if you see
it in game speed, you know, in the real time
and game speed.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
By all means, sure, that could be an option.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
I think they could also just disguise it as player
safety and just say that this is something that we
want to cut down on, and it would be a
reason to do so. The question is then, what would
horse collar, hip drop and those sort of penalties also
be reviewable?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yes, Iandor's box becomes open.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yeah, I do think that face mask, though, is different
than all of those.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah, it's pretty easy.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
By the way, AJ Brown, speaking today on the rift
or lack thereof, in his words with Jalen Hurts and
also responding to the Brandon Graham comments that his teammates
made or that his teammate made about the two earlier
this week, saying that, yeah, something got between him. Here's
aj Brown, BG.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Just being BG is emotional in that case, he's just missed.
You know, me and Jaylen are go ahead thereby. I
love BG.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
You know he's speaking from the heart.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
You know, he's just giving his perception or something on
the outside of m BG.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
When you say BG three times in a twelve second
sound bite, seems like he's trying.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
To make up for something.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It does. It does.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
There's a rapper once by the name of BG. I
think Spare Gift talk show.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
No, no, it was not Berry Gibb talk show. I
thought he was part of the uh uh, you know,
Lil Wayne Juvenile crew. I thought the I thought that's
the cash Money crew, But I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Flexing with I Love a day goes Flat cash Money.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
I thought there was a song called Bling Bling, and
I thought it was by BG. I think you're right, Yes,
come around the City, Bling Bling.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
I think that's what it was. That's confirmed all right there.
It was Ohio.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Ohio Representative Josh Williams proposed a bill on Tuesday that
would make flag planting at Ohio Stadium a fifth degree felony.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
What's the felony for losing to a basically five hundred
team when you're at Ohio Stadium, when you spend more
money than anybody else in the Big ten? Is that
a felonious act as well?
Speaker 6 (36:53):
I'm feeling your I'm feeling the penalties of it. I
did hear that this is showmanship, but you.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Please, I'm so glad that Paul right, there's still there's
like no real crimes going on in the state of Ohio. Guys,
let's worry about planting flags on artificial services.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
And what do you what are you in for? Uh,
plant a flag?
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Waiting for murder? What are you in for? Grant that?
What are you in for?
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Flag?
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Plan?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Planet a flag?
Speaker 6 (37:17):
Sounds like a euphemism and big one tonight, just want
to confirm, Doug because we've had problems with this zip
off seven Eastern four Pacific.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yes, yes, three m plus all right, I forty three
matchup against E W Milwaukee.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Actually it's pronounced meliwalk, yes, which is for the good land.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yah, the good Land, the good Land.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
That's the press. Baet out there and press.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
That was the press and Anthony Roy again. But barring
tardiness to the game, we'll start. We'll play. It's Doug
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on our our tribal Milwaukee and the tundra is frozen.
(01:16):
What do you think that picture? Jay Stu, Sammy Sami,
you want to get on that plane? And head to
Dan Bayer's home state.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
It looks like it would be fun for maybe forty
eight hours and then I would want to return home.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Uh yeah, next forty eight hours is gonna be rather cold,
rather cold.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I didn't get the picture. It's not showing up here.
I mean lost in the ether. I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I mean buyer. Did you get the picture?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I did? Yeah, Bay, he's frozen over, huh by you?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Uh yeah, it was. What's interesting was we had a
couple of bombing fifty plus degrees days and it went
from it was it was lightly frozen, then it was,
uh there was just a couple of spots and there's
probably about, you know, two thousand Canadian geese in the
water outside of my home. And then last night a
(02:06):
cold front went through. It got a little dusting of snow,
and now the baseback frozen over.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yeah, not safe to walk down yet.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
No, do not walk on that, say it is not
ready to be walked on.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
But that's gonna make for some badass ice fishing. Have
you gotten any gear yet? Your little cabin, your little
mobile tent thing? You gonna do any of that at
some point?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Uh? Yeah? Maybe do people know, like I had no
idea about some of these things. Frozen pizza is huge
in Wisconsin, but it's huge and wis constant goes. Who
you do is you get a frozen pizza and in
the summer you put it on a grill outside. In
the winter you actually cook it on a little grill
inside one of those one of those huts. Like that's
(02:43):
i'd be wait. Yeah, so no, I have not gotten
any gear. I do not tend to get any gear.
I just think that with the best course of action
for me is somebody wants to invite me, I'll go
with them. I'll go with them. Hey, it is Wednesday,
which is middle of the week. It's what is it
one O three on the West coast? Yeah, one O
(03:03):
three on the West coast, roughly middle of the day,
roughly middle of the show. Let's get to the midway.
It's not getting the middle.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
It's time for the middle.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
What it'snug Gotlab show, Fox Sports Radio. Okay, So what
we do for the midway generally is we uh, we
had We've had a couple of different discussions and I'll
give you guys too, and this is your show as
much as it's mind. Jay Stu proposed one of the
(03:39):
best wide receiver Diva moments situations. Ever, it does feel
like we talked a little about this, but okay, or
the one that Jay Stu and I discussed before the show,
which is we're gonna wrap our heads around something one
Soto signed for? Was it seven twenty six? So within
(04:00):
I don't know, five seven sixty five? Okay, seven sixty five.
He's offered seven twenty six or something I think from
the Yankees. Right, one more year, more money from from
the Mets. We're getting close to a billion dollar baseball player.
It's ill give me a billion dollar athlete, billion dollar contract.
(04:20):
Who will that be? Dan byre which which topic would
you prefer in the midwe.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Well, I like the one that I knew about, So
I'm going with the Diva wide receivers. PARVA wide receivers,
is my answer.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I assume, Yeah, I thought that's what we were going
to get into.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I can't see into the future, so I don't know
who these these billion dollar stars might be.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, Hey, this is a democracy.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
It actually felt like a coup that Doug was trying
to take over with his no no no, no, not
these constituents.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Jason and I was eased.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It was Jason and I. We did discuss this at length,
but we didn't really come I came up with Jackson
Curio is the only guy I could come up with.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And I think that that might be the inherent issue
with that topic is that I think it goes to
like it's probably someone that we don't know about yet
Holiday It's one of those two. So that's the midway.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So the midway. The midway is the midway is best
diva wide receiver moments. Since you prepared for it and
you are a walking history book in the nast Football League,
Dan Barr, why don't you begin?
Speaker 6 (05:34):
It's funny because I think that there's an obvious number
one in the variety of issues.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
But I'm going to go in a different direction.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Yes, I think Antonio Brown walking off the field with
his shirt off in a game against the New York
Jets Alheimer. It truly is like, I know we're going
to get into the other player, and I don't want
to steal it. But of all the things that have
happened leading up to it, and Antonio Brown thought to
be that Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Would get him right.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
The visual of him prancing off the field in his
football pants with no shoulder pads or jersey and saying
goodbye to the game is one I just cannot get
out of my mind. I think it is the number
one diva moment of any wide receiver in the history
of the National football.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I think we just had an anniversary of that. Does
that make sense? Is that what four year?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
It was later in the year that there's his bone.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I think the reason I thought about the topic is
because of you know, Deebo Samuel is having some drama
in San Francisco right now. AJ Brown's having drama in Philadelphia.
But the Diba Samuel thing that I want to talk
about happened two years ago. So you remember the first
time before he didn't get his contract extension and he
(07:05):
was leveraging the forty nine ers and Jeff Darlington came
out and he tweeted out the following I just spoke
with receiver Deebo Samuel and he told me that he
has asked for the forty nine ers for a trade.
So Deebo takes to social media and he's like, don't
believe everything you read on the internet. Don't believe reports.
(07:28):
Darlington was like, I spoke directly to you and that's
what you told me.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I got one that I don't think is on the list.
I mean, I think the guy that Dan's talking about
is Tarall Owens, right, the oldest evil wide receivers, which
is which is amazing that there's so many you could
talk about.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
There was the standing on the star, then he becomes
a cowboy. There's the sit ups and curls in the
in the driveway when he's a Philadelphi Eagle. There was the.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Solar saving him. And you're listening all of the things
that he's done.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
I'm moving him for later. But you've just rattled off
three of the top diva moments. All that more that
Tara Owens has done.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
There's so many more, so many more. But look, here's
I'll just give you one which probably does it. Not
top diva moments, but a guy who no one thought
was a diva late in his career became a little
bit of a diva. But do you remember when Andre
Johnson kicked the crap out of Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I don't know why I just thought of that one.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Courtland Finnigan, Sorry, Courtland Fittigan. Do you remember when he
kicked the crap out of Courtland Finnigan and Courtland Finigan
was the diva cornerback and Andre Johnson was like a
guy out of Miami. But he didn't celebrate like all
those guys in the U. I don't know that one
just jumped out to me. But of course I'm gonna
take too, right, there's so many toos. There's the remember
he showed up he was a bill and like the
(08:55):
people in Buffalo greeted him at the at the airport.
That thing didn't last. There was he did something against
the Giants when he was a Niner, when he had
like twenty catches against the Giants. There was obviously that
that's my quarterback thing. There was the throwing. Yeah, there
(09:16):
was also the throwing. The throwing down a McNabb under
the bus after they lost in the Super Bowl. I
wasn't the one who threw up in the trash can.
I wasn't the one who's scared right. So many too moments,
and probably the culmination is he had his own Hall
of Fame ceremony instead of going to the actual Hall
of Fame. So like, you can't make that up. Yeah,
(09:38):
you can't make that one up.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Uh remember we remember this to you all moment, rightshretty unfair.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
That my team, it's my quarterback. And if you guys
do that, man's aren't fair.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Who lost hill the team?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Give that me an Academy award.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
I mean it's listening, but it tucks that up against
I mean, he is attacking Donovan McNabb this week like
he's He's taken shots at Donovan McNabb within the last
couple of days for Donovan McNabb's take on the A. J.
Brown Jalen Hurts thing so so tl giving and showing
Tony Romo tons of grace and Donovan McNabb is still
(10:25):
feeling it. As of December tenth, twenty twenty four. I
know it's the eleventh, but at least as of yesterday,
I don't think he tweeted at Donovan McNabb today.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
It truly is like it's.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Somebody and even like the crying of remember when he
cut the touchdown pass against the Packers. That was very
Wisconsin accent that came out, but and he was crying
off the fielders, Yeah, against the Packers with it. Do
you remember that the wild card game he caught it
at the goal line, Steve Young right at the buzz
and Craig Tio's crying and bawling it. I don't know
(10:59):
that it's diva, but it's the many different ways of
Terrell Owens.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
You get chip popcorn? Ready, Sam, did you have one? Well?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I did.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Think of another cowboy wide receiver who was kind of
looked at as a diva during his time in Dallas
would be former Oklahoma State cowboy Des Bryant. Maybe not
to the degree of t O, and probably not to
the success of Teo, but he caused some mostly throw
me the ball kind of stuff, you know, your typical complaints.
But I mean I also think about Antonio Brown, you know,
(11:31):
not even playing for the Raiders, burning his feet in
the cold, cryoud chamber, had the helmet issue, you know,
he did, went on social media like a live stream
in the locker room for the Steelers. I mean, the
list goes on and on. He had his failed venture
into arena football being like an owner.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
I mean, the guy's got There could be a book
written about him. I'm sure there will be at some point.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Guys, there's a bunch that we haven't hit on though, Okay,
you have Steve Smith.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Steve Smith, does.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
It going right? You have chad Ocho Cinco was once
Chad Johnson, who, as we discussed a couple of weeks ago,
that he actually had a yellow jacket Hall of Fame
jacket made for him. Yeah, on the sideline.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And just the fact that he changed his name.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Nothing, Yes, you're right, nothing says diva wide receiver, much
like changing your name to the Mexican word for your number.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Which is actually just eighty five. It's not eighty five.
But yeah, I get the picture.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yes, Ochenti Sincoe.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I think the chad Ocho Cinco thing, though, I think
what the great thing about him being a diva was
how it didn't work in New Orleans or I'm sorry,
New England because he was a diva.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So I guess you're figure that's not why I didn't
work well.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
The day that he was cut from the Patriots would
be that would be a great culmination of why exactly
did that ever even start in the first place. Ocho
Cinco and Bill.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Belichick, our buddy here at Andy here at Fox Sports Radio,
Andy Furman was behind the whole o Cho Sinko racing
a horse.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Thank you, He raced a horse. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Andy Furman was a part of the man verse beast.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Oh wait, there's a couple of Wait, we're forgetting one
of the initial one of the original Diva wide receivers,
preceded to O, preceded all these guys, the playmaker Michael Irvin. Yes,
you know, he had the white House. I mean he was.
He was the first with the obnoxious constant first down
point right, And you go back to when he was
(13:41):
at the U and they came out the plane and
the fatigues like, if there's ever been a guy that
says Diva wide receiver, it's the playmaker Michael Irvin.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
He was, He was the start of it. Randy Moss
as well.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Sure like he's well beloved now as a media member,
and his skills were undeniable.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
But there were Diva moments, no doubt. When he went
to Oakland, right, yeah, I wanted to give effort.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
No, that's I play when I want to. Right, that
was in Oakland and he comes doing what people forget
about New England. Everybody now just remembers the fact that
he had how many touchdown receptions that year when they
had Brady had fifty twenty one or something that was
twenty maybe twenty three, twenty one, something like that. But
people forget it ended really poorly, like he was done.
They were done with him. They kind of me went
(14:32):
to They traded him to Tennessee for like a bag
of footballs to twenty.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Three a bag defloited footballs.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Remember, Keishawn Johnson wrote a.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Book Shawn Johnson. Shawn Johnson, Throw me the damn ball,
Throw me the damn ball, Keyshawn Johnson. That's a good one,
and the others. There's got to be some that were missing.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
DeShawn Jackson was Jax. Yeah, he was a showbold. I
think you can put him in the Diva thing. He
was infamous for the dropping the ball before the goal line.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, Can I get the
Dan Buyer? Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on, there you go. I have a question here,
Dan and your knowledge of football. Hold on, hold on,
superseds mine. Did Dion ever play wide receiver?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah? Yeah, it did for the Cowboys in their Super
Bowl year Super Bowl thirty.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
And when Dion would get a touchdown, there was I
mean it was he did the Dion dance. He had
the prime time he would walk down the sidelines. He
would check his hair while he was still running with
the football. He didn't drop it early like d Jacks.
But let's be honest, prime time was was was a
DIVA wide receiver, cornerback, kick return.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Would you guys also say Odell Beckham Junior?
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah, yep, well the Odell Sweepstakes. Yeah. Andre Risen got.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
His house at Moon Rising, but before he got.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
His house burned down, I think he was. He was
one of those quote unquote misunderstood players.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, by the way, its Andre Risen to it now.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I would just pulled up Dion stats.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
You talked about him being a wide receiver and he
played it in Atlanta and uh, you know a little
bit in San Francisco. But in that nineteen ninety six
season for the Cowboys, he had sixty seven targets.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
That's incredible.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
I think that was the year after they won the
Super Bowl, because I think it was the ninety five
season heading into ninety six. But yeah, his second season
he had sixty seven targets, thirty six catches, four hundred
and seventy five yards.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
That year as a receiver.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I'm gonna say something which I only said when I
mean it. I was wrong. You guys are right, much
better topic than the one I came up with. That's
the Midway.
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Speaker 1 (17:23):
Just just look off little Coff dot Gottlieb show. You're
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Draft Analyst and the color voice of the La Chargers.
Let's go to the Chargers. Man, it felt like that
same story on repeat. I know they're better coached, but
(17:45):
the Chiefs again, Final Drive again? What was that like
to call? What was that like to be part of?
Speaker 7 (17:55):
I think there is a little bit of cutting bas
you know from you know, not only the Charger games,
but really most of their games this year have have
been similar where they don't play very well. They're not
you know, there's no dynamic element to their offense, but
their defense, which has flaws as well in the secondary,
you know, finds a way to keep the score down
(18:16):
and keep the game close, and then they hand the
ball off, you know, to Pat Mahomes with three, four,
five minutes left in the ball game, and he makes
the you know, the three clutch plays at the end
to get them a win. It's just a script that
they've been you know, they've been showing each and every
week pretty much doesn't matter if it's the Carolina Panthers,
the Chargers, the Raiders, whoever it is. It's it feels
(18:39):
like all these Chiefs games are ending exactly the same.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yes they yes, they absolutely positively are. This is the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
let's bounce around the league here and a bunch of
different stuff to get to. Let's the Pittsburgh Steelers have
a huge game this week against the Buffalo Bills. Start
with the Bills. How can you run the ball on
(19:03):
first down when you have three timeouts in your down
two scores?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Not ideal, Uh, not ideal at all. I just it
has to be one hundred percent certain you're going to
get in at that point in time. It's just, you know,
you have all those downs to get the ball in
through the air without eating up any clock and wasting
a time out. It just I don't want to say
it was overly aggressive, a brain cramp. I don't know
what their thought process was, but that's not that should
(19:30):
not be an option.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
How how do you think they match up with Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
Well, I think they have no Lions this week, don't.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm I'm at the Detroit Lions.
I apologize. I got my Battle of Pennsylvania mixed up
with with that game. When I get to the lines
in a second, Lions survived yet again. Yeah, okay, And
here was my thought obviously, going for it instead of
kicking a forty something yard field goal and then getting
into you know, ninety five percent range. Let's just start
(20:00):
with the idea of Dan Campbell and the go for
which I thought came back to bite them last year
against the Niners. As somebody who you know played observed
been a part of scouting departments, what do you think
of how Dan Campbell coaches his team.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
I think Dan Campbell has a good feel on the
pulse of that thing, and that's how they've you know,
that's kind of been their ethos, that's what they believe in,
it's how they go about it. You know, I can
make a very strong rational argument against it at times,
and that you know probably would have been one of them.
Obviously the Niners game. I think you can look back
(20:37):
and uh and say, Okay, maybe should have been a
little bit more conservative. But in some ways, I feel
like with coaches, Doug and you know, you're right in
the thick of it. I think that it's tough on
the outside to tell a coach the style and manner
in which they should play, because those coaches know what
works for their team better than anybody else on the outside.
(21:00):
His team. Give the guy credit. They've responded to the
way that he calls games and how ultra aggressive he is.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Do you make a big deal of the fact that
teams you know, Bears could have beaten him, could have lost.
I know they didn't lose those games, but it feels
like the league might be catching up a little bit
to the offense. Do you make a big deal about
that at all?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
No.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
I mean, I think they're showing some grit and some
toughness to be able to find ways to win these games.
I still think when you look at the landscape of
the NFL, you know, and the Eagles almost had to,
you know, stub your toe moment last week against the
Carolina Panthers. The Carolina Panthers we talked about, gave the
gave the Chiefs a good game. So you've got the Eagles,
(21:44):
the Chiefs, the Bill the Lions. I think those are
kind of the four best teams and they've all kind
of shown some vulnerability here. I just think over seventeen games,
you're not going to have your your focus and your
absolute a game each and every week.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
No, no, you're no, you're not. Okay, let's get to
that Battle of Pennsylvania. Yeah, let's start with Philadelphia. What
are you hearings going on between quarterback and wide receiver?
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Well, I mean, I you know, I don't know the
logistics in terms of what it looked like throughout the
scope of their relationship. When you hear stories, okay that
that you know, when you have a quarterback and a
receiver who were perceived to be best friends when when
AJ got there, that maybe that's not the case anymore.
I know Brandon Graham has walked back a lot of
(22:31):
the stuff that he said. I have been talking to
I was talking to somebody about this the other day.
Was another wide receiver complaining about something, and I don't
remember exactly who it was, and I just said, you
know what, that's people are making a big deal of it,
of the wide receiver's complaints. And my thought was the
wide receivers like the Marvin Harrison seniors of the world,
(22:52):
who just kind of quietly go about their business and
don't don't bark or say anything. I mean, those guys
are the exception. I mean, this is kind of more
than norm you know, Ego Samuelly seeing it with aj
You've seen Pickings get frustrated like that just kind of
comes along with that position, of any position on the field.
I tend to not overreact to whatever outburst you might
(23:15):
get it from that spot. It's been that way at
that position for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yep, yep. No, they are they good enough to get
to a Super Bowl, right Like the AFC is up
for grabs. The NFC, it's like, hey, the Lions seem
to have their stuff together. Granted, the defense some injuries
and not the greatest defense in the world. You go
around that go around that league, but they, you know,
the Eagles do continue to win. How big a buyer
(23:41):
are you into them in the playoffs?
Speaker 7 (23:43):
I'm a buyer. I think they've got experience. I think
they're physical on both sides of the line of scrimmage.
I believe in their defense a little more than I
believe in the Lions. You know, look, if it came
down to a drive and making throws, I would you know,
I would go towards Jared Goff and not hurt. But
I think hurts in the run game and complimenting Sae
(24:03):
Kwon Barkley in the run game, I think they can.
They can turn an NFL game into what feels like,
you know, a quarter and a half of football, but
they just shrink the game with their ability to control it.
So yeah, I think the Eagles are a very very
dangerous team. I think they're a team capable of one.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
In the whole thing. Yeah, I would I tend to
agree with you. All right. What about the Steelers? You
know we're all kind of wait and see on the
offense with Russell Wilson. Where are you on the Steelers?
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Well, I give their organization so much credit because they
rebuilt their offensive line over a two year period and
the quarterback is going to get all the attention, and
Russ has played well, He's done a nice job and
that was one hundred percent the right decision to go
to him over fields. But to me, the story of
this team is the defense as good.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
As it's been.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
You know, that's not a surprise Russ doing his thing.
But to me, the biggest change in this team from
where it was a couple of years ago to where
it is now. They can move people up front along
the offensive line, and I would include Wash you know,
I got three hundred pound tight end, are the biggest
tight end in the NFL who can move people as well.
So that's opened up the run game. You're seeing Jalen
(25:09):
Warren do some good things. Najie Harris is just kind
of their body blowback and now now that kind of
opens everything up for Russell Wilson. And it's a team
that's gotten better too, you know, for the sign of
a good coach. You know, Mike Tomlin, everybody points to
the fact that he's had all these years in a row,
you know, odd or above five hundred hasn't had a
(25:29):
losing season. To me, that Mike Tomlin calling card a
little bit is this team's getting better. You know, throughout
the season, they're getting hardened, they're getting callous, and they're
playing really good football.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I believe Calherd is trying to He's trying to claim
that he's with you and me on Sam Donald all along.
I you know, we talked about this in the offseason
that I was still holding that penny stock that was
Sam Donald. Okay, So I put you in the position
of quaseid and some adelphamensa. Okay, he's the general manager
(26:04):
of the Vikings. You have JJ McCarthy who hasn't played,
but he'll be on a rookie contract for the next
couple of years. Or you could re sign Sam Donald.
What do you do.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Well, Look, if it was any other coach, I think
I would make the I would make the solo decision
and say, hey, I'm not putting all of our livelihoods
in the hands of somebody that I haven't really seen play.
I know obviously has not played an NFL game in
JJ McCarthy. We've seen what we have in Sam Donald.
Let's at least run this back another year, give JJ
(26:39):
Moore time. That would be my thought process for you know,
as a general manager with just about any other coach
ball Ta. Kevin o'connells to me, has he has earned
the right to have a major say so in this decision?
In other words, if you go to him and say, Okay,
here's the plan with Sam, here's you know, if we
(26:59):
were to maybe tag and trade Sam or just let
him walk and use these resources that we would save
financially and invest in other areas, would you rather have
Sam alone or would you rather have JJ McCarthy plus
whatever we can do with the difference in money and
picks that we would get for moving on from Sam.
And if Kevin is very confident and straight up told
(27:21):
me that, hey, I can win with JJ. I know
what he does well, I can build the offense around him.
I think that coach O'Connell's kind of earned. He's kind
of earned his stripes to be able to have a
major say so in that.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Have you gotten a chance to analyze Ashton genty yet?
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Yeah? He is a stud man. I'm a little worried
about the workload. I don't necessarily love that. But he
can do everything. I mean, he is strong, he's powerful,
he's a home run hitter. He can catch the ballut
of the backfield, and then maybe something as exciting as
what you see on the field is the reviews that
I've gotten from scouts that have gone in there. In
(27:58):
terms of the character in the background, it's it's off
the sharks about you know, the makeup with this kid.
So yeah, I'm I'm excited to see him as we
go through the playoffs. I think people have kind of
kicked dirt on Boise. I've just been around that program
for way too long. I've been up there for way
too long. And maybe it's my my app State background, Doug.
(28:18):
But winners win man be careful dismissing them and saying, oh,
who's got the easy bracket? Who gets to go through Boise?
Careful what you wish for?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
No, no, listen, I agree with you. Obviously they're going
to play in play in Phoenix. I also I think
actually they got an easy draw, like SMU and Penn
State are two really flawed teams. You know, it wouldn't
it wouldn't bother me at all. They weren't even in
the field, So I'm with them. There's a world there.
I just I thought they got to see that they
shouldn't get.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
But I would know that there's system. That's the system
that to me, I think you put the you get
the automatic bid for winning your conference all in on that.
But I do think, you know, that's that's where that ends.
And then you see them, you know, one through twelve.
But can I push back on one thought by the way,
I know it's been out there a lot, and as
someone who does the you know, has lived in the
(29:07):
draft world for over twenty years, don't let's not make
the argument of who the most talented teams are and
those are the teams that deserve to go someplace. Okay,
and that's not just me as a Padre fan who's
seen a team that was the most talented team in
baseball two years ago didn't even make the playoffs. That's
not what sports is. Sports doesn't mean you have the
most talented team you're guaranteed to win things. It's whoever
(29:30):
the best team is. That's what it is. That's what's
so great about sports. So to say that we should
have five or six SEC teams in because they're gonna
have the most players drafted, that's that's the opposite of
what sports is all about.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I understand. But they're the juxtaposition of that with the
fact that they play one another against more talented teams,
deeper teams on a weekly basis, which like it becomes
a war attrition. You're going to get beat up, right
as opposed to Boise playing against the Mountain West. So
completely different level of weekly competition. And they only stepped
up in weight class once. You know, one point lost
(30:05):
to Oregon if you put them in the Big ten.
I think it's very reasonable, no matter how good a
team they are, that they don't have the same record
or even close to the same record.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
No, And I think that's why those conferences get rewarded
with three teams. You know, sometimes we're going to see
four teams from certain conferences. But I don't fall in
line with the Well, you know, you couldn't finish in
the top three in your conference and you can get
your doors blown off by Oklahoma and Vanderbilt, who last
I checked, that don't elicit the most impressive tape when
(30:39):
you study their teams this year. Look, you get one
team from these other conferences. That's the way it's set up.
The other teams these power conferences get three or four
if you're not If you don't play well enough in
your conference to finish in the top three. Sorry, I
don't have any I don't care how many NFL players
you have on your team. You're not going to playoff.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
He's Daniel Jeremiah co hosts Moved the State podcast. You
hear him on Charger Calls on radio, and of course
you can see him on the NFL newe DJ. You're
the best man. Appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Thanks buve to see you coming.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
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Speaker 1 (31:27):
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(31:47):
The press Hey there, Dan, what do you got?
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Doug got a bunch, so let's get right to it.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Bronnie James gonna make his G League road debut playing
tomorrow in Phoenix against the Suns G League affiliate. So
Bronnie taking the G League show on the road.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Uh did he fly there with the team? Did he
fly their private?
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I don't know. I just said he's found out, he's
gonna chances.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
He drove the six hour Drive zero point zero zero
zero zero.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Great drive, it really is. I recommend it. I drove
it for the Super Bowl and I forgot my wallet
and Paul when I was in Palm Springs. Then Jason
Stewart bring up with him. Oh what a what a
good drive? Though, it's a really actually it's a really
nice drive.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Not any more white than before I had it. By
the way, Yeah, he did not steal anything.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
No, that's that's because you never took Jason's advice on craps,
which I have where my wallet got very light.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Oh we know the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Hold on, Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. Jason
Stewart's got a system. Hold on, he's got a system. Okay,
he's got a system.
Speaker 8 (32:58):
Sorry, go ahead, that's that's all right, Roger Goodell, speaking
today on the likelihood of the NFL expanding from seventeen
games to an eighteen game regular season schedule.
Speaker 9 (33:08):
We are doing analysis, i would say, but we are
not formalizing any plans at this point. You know, we
learned something when we went from sixteen to seventeen. If
we do go to eighteen, I'm sure we'll learn something,
but hopefully some of the learnings from the last time
will help us.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, we're gonna learn We're gonna make a lot more money.
So we wait, and then we wait, and then we
need to make more money than we make more money,
and then we start. Then we float around the idea
of a nineteenth in the twentieth game, and then we wait,
and then we make more money. That's what we do.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
We know we do.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Then we make more money, and then we make more money,
and then we make more money. Did I mention we
make more money? I mean that's the same thing with
the Charlie Baker NCAA tournament thing, right, Okay, trying to
pay off these lawsuits. What's the best way? More games,
more inventory, more money.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
NFL executive Troy Vincent says that the Competition Committee this offseason,
we'll look into the possibility of reviewing penalty including face masks.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
That one seems kind of easy, right yep. Now, the
only thing about the face mask review is in slow motion,
like a brush on the face mask or you know,
can look a little bit more nefarious than than an
old school grass. So I do have Dan byer, if
you were on the Rules execut committee, what about this
(34:25):
when reviewing penalties, penalties have to do it in game
speed game speed, because a hold looks a lot worse,
a face mask looks a lot worse if you see
it in game speed, you know, in the real time
and game speed.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
By all means, sure, that could be an option.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
I think they could also just disguise it as player
safety and just say that this is something that we
want to cut down on, and it would be a
reason to do so. The question is then, what would
horse collar, hip drop and those sort of penalties also
be reviewable?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yes, Iandor's box becomes open.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yeah, I do think that face mask, though, is different
than all of those.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah, it's pretty easy.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
By the way, AJ Brown, speaking today on the rift
or lack thereof, in his words with Jalen Hurts and
also responding to the Brandon Graham comments that his teammates
made or that his teammate made about the two earlier
this week, saying that, yeah, something got between him. Here's
aj Brown, BG.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Just being BG is emotional in that case, he's just missed.
You know, me and Jaylen are go ahead thereby. I
love BG.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
You know he's speaking from the heart.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
You know, he's just giving his perception or something on
the outside of m BG.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
When you say BG three times in a twelve second
sound bite, seems like he's trying.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
To make up for something.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It does. It does.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
There's a rapper once by the name of BG. I
think Spare Gift talk show.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
No, no, it was not Berry Gibb talk show. I
thought he was part of the uh uh, you know,
Lil Wayne Juvenile crew. I thought the I thought that's
the cash Money crew, But I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Flexing with I Love a day goes Flat cash Money.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
I thought there was a song called Bling Bling, and
I thought it was by BG. I think you're right, Yes,
come around the City, Bling Bling.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
I think that's what it was. That's confirmed all right there.
It was Ohio.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Ohio Representative Josh Williams proposed a bill on Tuesday that
would make flag planting at Ohio Stadium a fifth degree felony.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
What's the felony for losing to a basically five hundred
team when you're at Ohio Stadium, when you spend more
money than anybody else in the Big ten? Is that
a felonious act as well?
Speaker 6 (36:53):
I'm feeling your I'm feeling the penalties of it. I
did hear that this is showmanship, but you.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Please, I'm so glad that Paul right, there's still there's
like no real crimes going on in the state of Ohio. Guys,
let's worry about planting flags on artificial services.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
And what do you what are you in for? Uh,
plant a flag?
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Waiting for murder? What are you in for? Grant that?
What are you in for?
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Flag?
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Plan?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Planet a flag?
Speaker 6 (37:17):
Sounds like a euphemism and big one tonight, just want
to confirm, Doug because we've had problems with this zip
off seven Eastern four Pacific.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yes, yes, three m plus all right, I forty three
matchup against E W Milwaukee.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Actually it's pronounced meliwalk, yes, which is for the good land.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yah, the good Land, the good Land.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
That's the press. Baet out there and press.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
That was the press and Anthony Roy again. But barring
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