January 10, 2025 • 46 mins
On a Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug and Dan Beyer discuss Penn State head coach James Franklin and the role he played in the loss to Notre Dame in the Orange Bowl Thursday night.
Doug and Dan talk about Ryan Day and what is on the line for him in the Cotton Bowl. Doug welcomes former Bucs GM Mark Dominik onto the show to talk about the Raiders, Sam Darnold and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
So way tire buying should be? What a football game?
What a football game? And you know what's interesting about
last night's Notre Dame win over Penn State. And look,
you're allowed to have your own opinion. Be wrong, I'm kidding.
(01:01):
You're allowed to have your own opinion. Here's mine. I
maybe this is me really becoming a full time you know,
mentally more of a coach. Okay, so this may I'm
guessing again. Jason and I haven't discussed this because I
was waiting to get out of heir discuss it. Maybe
(01:22):
this is me really kind of accepting that I'm a
coach and I have to see things differently. But I
know James Franklin has a bad record against ranked teams.
I'm fully, fully aware. None of this is a surprise
to me. I followed college football. I know him a
(01:44):
little bit. I wouldn't say we're friends or even friendly,
but I know him. I watched him. I went to
the Rose Bowl a couple of years ago and watched
his team win, et cetera, et cetera. But I walked
away from last night, right, Actually, I guess I walked away,
but I wasn't at the game, so they walk away.
I turned off the TV, and there was a portion
(02:05):
of me that was like, are we really going to
Are people really going to be critical of James Franklin
for losing another big game when I watched last night?
And I'm hard pressed to point the finger at James Franklin, right, Like, again,
a play call here, play call there. I guess you
(02:26):
could be critical of them trying to score with a
tie game late, but even their process of that was
the right one, where they ran the ball on first down,
got a fifteen yard game, and only then did they
decide to throw it, and the quarterback made a horrendous
decision when his first and second read wasn't open. I
(02:49):
am not one of these people that likes participation trophies
or things that everybody wins in any game. I vehemently
disagreed with. Was it Joe Biden who was said both
LSU who beat Iowa and Iowa should attend the White
House two years ago after the National Champions of Game. No,
I did not say that. I do not believe that.
(03:11):
But I clicked off the TV last night and I
felt like Marcus Freeman lived up to the billing as
I thought he would. Of being somebody that makes Notre
Dame him incredibly likable, he just does. He makes Notre
Dame likable. And I didn't think James Franklin lost last
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night even though his team lost. I don't know if
that makes sense. So I walk away thinking of the
hell of football game and somebody did in fact have
to win, and somebody did in fact have to lose.
And I gotta tell you, I struggled to find any
sort of blame to lay at the feet of James Franklin.
(04:05):
Is that wrong? Sam? You've watched a ton of Big
ten football is that wrong?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I really thought, you know this, Yeah, I thought that
James Franklin had his team ready to go. I thought
that that was a big game, and I know he lost,
but honestly, they kept you know, pulling, they kept up
punching back and fighting back. And I'm not gonna say
I saw a lot of memes after that game, you know,
the big game meet stuff, and I just didn't feel that.
I thought that they were just as competitive as Notre Dame.
(04:32):
And yes that that final drive of Theirs was a mess,
but honestly, they they could easily be in the National
Championship game right now.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Dann, what about you? I mean, like, listen, we can
easily be harshly critical of people, but I struggle on
this one to go like, yeah, James Franklin, his team choked,
Like I don't know, it's a great football game. I mean,
Notre Dame couldn't move the ball at all, except for
you know, two guys fell down in their last touchdown.
(05:04):
I mean, they could not protect could not protect the
quarterback at all. It was ugly. Penn State's defense got
after it. It was like Penn State's offense was great,
but they could run the football. Some it's twenty four
all game and a quarterback who I don't think he
played particularly well. I thought he got bailed out on
at least one of those two defensive penalties on interceptions.
But he makes a bad decision, throws the interception. Nore
(05:26):
Dame does just enough to get themselves in the field
goal range and they make a field goal.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I just say, the numbers don't lie. They can lie.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
At Vanderbilt, you can play a top ten team, a
top five team and not win when you're coaching at Vanderbilt.
But at Penn State, at some point you have to
get over that hump. And the hump isn't just necessarily
a top ten team specifically, it is Ohio State, it
is Michigan, it is Notre Dame. It's those brands in
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those names and those numbers that matter. Four and twenty
against top ten opponents, one in fifteen at Penn State
against top five opponents, one in eighteen in his career.
That's why I even take the Vanderbilt stuff out of it.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Doug.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
They I know it was a coin flip last night,
but last night's the opportunity to do it.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
I don't know why they're throwing the ball.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
To be honest with you, considering the point that you
laid out about their defense and getting after it and
what they could do to put the ball in Harm's way.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I don't know whose decision that was.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
And Drew Heller through the interception, and then their defense
couldn't stop notre name on the ensuing set of downs
to get them in the field goal range. But these
numbers don't lie. And I get it that they're in it,
and I get it that they're teams in the semi
final and they're there to the end and players need
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to make plays. But maybe this is a game they
should have won by ten. Maybe there's a game they
should have won by fourteen. And I think that's the
problem with James Franklin.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Here's Greg McElroy right before that interception.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
I'm aggressive.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
I mean I got two timeouts. I feel like the
momentum has been back and forth.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Quarterback for the most part all season, longest whole career,
drew Allers made good decisions.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
He's got fifty plus.
Speaker 8 (07:23):
Touchdowns, only nine career interceptions.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
He's not likely a guy that's.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Gonna put the ball in Har's way.
Speaker 8 (07:29):
I trust him.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I think you do it.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
And I would empower him in this situation, to drive
him down the field for a game when he feels goal.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I just you know words that you'll you'll eat.
And again here's another one, Doug though in the game,
there's a whole another McIlroy conversation. But sorry, go ahead, now,
go ahead, you can finish.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
He was talking about Notre Dame shouldn't score a touchdown
on their drive with like twenty What are you talking
about just taking knee and get the field. Yeah, college kickers,
that's exactly who we want to rely on.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Notre Dame. It's really struggled kicking the ball all year.
They had the lowest field goal conversion percentage of any
team in individual one football.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Oh manh yeah, that was that was That was a
I don't think macroy had a great night there, but
that he's not he's not the biggest issue.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
But no, but again, okay, so let's let's let's have
a little bit of the conversation. Okay, they they did
force a little bit of the I mean this I've said,
and I know there are people in the media that
pretend like it's not a big thing. It's a gigantic
thing that Marcus Freeman is the first black head coach
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to coach for national championship. It's a big thing. I
just again, there's a time and a place where do
we have to wedget in on a game winning drive
that ends in a field goal? Like? Is that is
that really the place? Like? No, not really, you don't
need to mention it. Yeah, I I do. I thought,
And I know Mceilroys he's not he's not like he's
(09:03):
twenty five, but how was his early thirties. He has
not been doing this a long time, and I thought
he showed his inexperience there. But here's what it showed
to me. And this again is me learning as being
a coach. You know, everyone who sits at home or
sits on a sideline and calls games, we all think aggressive, aggressive, aggressive, aggressive,
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And even in the you know, even people who were
critical of the prevent defense, you know, prevent defense prevents
you from winning games. Whatever. Do you think these coaches
would do it if they didn't think it worked. It
wasn't time tested. And I'll give I'll tell you like
my own experience and with my team, I thought coming
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to the year, granted, we have a major injury. Nation's
leading scorer is still injured, so we're going to be different.
But even perceiving that, you know, we were a top
one hundred and twenty offense. But it doesn't matter if
you can't stop any but you can't rebound. And we
found that, you know, our studies showed that second half
(10:09):
we were getting beaten badly on the boards and we
were struggling with fatigue. And it was in the second
half and we kind of figured, hey, we're playing too
fast and running ourselves out of a lead. Now we
had a ten point lead against Northern Kentucky and there
was a bunch of reasons we end up losing that
game and then up being eighteen. It was a nine
point game, kid Big banging in three get threes at
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the end of the game. But you know, and we
can blame the officiating all we want, but the truth
is that we still have some of the same issues
that persist. But what's fascinating to me is that McElroy
feels like so many of us when we're young, and
we just think offense, offense, offense, offense, or we think
(10:50):
maybe it's as easy offensively as it was for McIlroy
when he was at Alabama, and it's not that fast now,
it's not that easy now, just not anyway, Notre Dame winning.
So your thing is, James Franklin is a choker.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
You were giving them a pass for last night, and.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Listen, you're writing terms of numbers. And maybe that's the thing.
Maybe it's situational, maybe it's confidence. I don't know. I
do know the hardest it's hard to teach kids how
to win big games, and they haven't won big games.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Here's here's what's interesting is and this is why I
think this is the indictment on James Franklin. Even if
you don't say that they're better than Notre Dame last night,
you can't say that they were worse or are a
worst team entering that game. At worst, you're saying that
they're just too evenly matched teams. And so at least
at some point, if you're flipping a coin, you do
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it ten times, it's at least gonna come up heads
a couple of those times, if its tails every other time.
He can't win a coin flip. So that doesn't tell
me that it's just bad luck that right now he
just he's it's he's part of the problem on why
they can't get over this hump and that interception. What
led up to it previously was a thirteen yard run
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on first and ten from the fifteen yard line. So
that tells me you were willing to run the football,
see what you can get. But then you get out
to the twenty eight yard line and you're ready to
play press your luck.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Like that's just no, Like if you.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Would have been you don't think that's the right decision.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
No, not at all, not in that I just because
I college quarterbacks two defenses with their strengths. I'm not
a Drew Aller fan, and I know that McElroy praised
him keeping control of the football. He threw for one
hundred and thirty two yards last night. It's not like
he was throwing the pill all over the place. Like
your best bet is to stop them on defense, make
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him kick a field goal in overtime, and then you
score the touchdown and not go seventy yards or fifty
yards and thirty seconds against that defense. That's just my problem.
They would have got two yards on first down. They
just run out the clock or figure out a way
to try to work some clock in that scenario.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So gottlieb show here on fox Port trailer that's the
voice of Dan Bayer. Was a good football game? And
how much of it? Until I mentioned it, did any
of you guys think about how bad those first two rounds
of football games were?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
No, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Right, Like if you polled people today like college trouble play, Oh,
it's awesome. This is the greatest thing ever. Notre Dame
Penn say like, yeah, hey, what about Penn State? SMU
Like I don't even remember that game? Did that happen?
What about Notre Dame Indiana? What about you know, Ohio State, Tennessee,
Like Nope, don't remember any of it. All we remember
is all we saw last name. That's it. That's it.
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So Notre Dame advances and they will take the take
on the winner of Texas and Ohio State. Texas and
Ohio State. Wow, that's gonna be great. Here's Marcus Freeman
after the game when he was asked about being the
first black an Asian head coach to take his team
to a national championhip game.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
It is an honor and I hope all coaches minorities, black, Asian, white,
it doesn't matter. Great people continue to get opportunities to
lead young men.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Like this.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Good. Yes, I you know, Marcus Freeman makes Notre Dame likable.
These do forever Notre Dame had been seen as arrogant
and entitled, and he makes them likable and honorable. And
that's a that's a hell of a job in changing perception.
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Let's have that conversation we're having on text. I think
(15:04):
it's fascinating. So, in a succession of events, right the
the Raiders fired their head coach on Tuesday. Their general manager,
Tom Telesco was told he was safe on Tuesday, and
Thursday they fired him, and then yesterday and today there's
(15:25):
been multiple ports that Tom Brady is kind of the
lead guy here in some of this decision making, right,
I think, is it Tom Pelisera who reported that that yeah,
he's basically the lead guy.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
He was speaking with Rich eyes In earlier today said
as much that Brady's the one kind of running the show,
whether it be with Pierce and Telesco and whatnot. But
Mark Davis is kind of handed over the reins to
turn over this new Raiders era, and Brady's the one
in charge.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Okay. So, and then of course there's added speculation. Andrew Marshan,
who covers sports media, believes, and there has been growing
belief that this is his first and last year at Fox,
and that he'll then just assume role of being maybe
president of football operations with the Raiders is the thought.
(16:16):
It would be an interesting because Fox does have the
Super Bowl this year, so it would be a one
and done, but go out with a bang. It's not
like you're gonna leave after the NFC Championship game. You
get to call those games. I don't think anybody would
say he's been great at calling games, right, Like, no
matter how much of a supporter at Tom Brady, you are,
nobody's like, man Brady amazing, amazing, But do you think
(16:43):
he goes to being some sort of leadership position with
the Raiders. I don't know. That's a lot of money
he's walking away from. That's a three hundred plus million
dollar total deal with Fox that I think, you know
has some other things kind of interlaced in it, especially
with this TV twelve stuff. To leave that behind and
go run a football team that seems like Peyton Manning
(17:04):
stuff more than Tom Brady's stuff.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I know, I find it interesting, and I know Jason
Stewart's thoughts, but I'd like to hear it because I've
heard people say that they feel that Tom Brady has
gotten better throughout the season.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I don't know if that means he's great, he's good.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
And the only reason I say that is because a
majority of his games are on when I'm on the
air at Fox Sports Radio, so I don't get to
necessarily hear the broadcast. But I've heard some people say
that he has gotten better throughout the season.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
And I don't know if he's.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Taken those tips or the changers, or if you guys
have noticed it, but I at least will give him
credit for that if he has improved or has at
least addressed some of the faults that he had early
on in the year Chase.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
Too, I have not seen an improvement. I think my
opinion of Tom Brady right now is that he's basically
the Magic Johnson of the NFL. One of the best
to ever do it, one of the best ever play it,
one of the worst to ever talk about it. Magic
Johnson has been an absolute train wreck as an analyst.
(18:10):
Tom Brady has the same characteristic that Magic has an
utter lack of insight like he doesn't. He doesn't put
us in the helmet of the quarterback, he doesn't tell
us the ends of things like Greg Olsen does. And
I don't think you can coach that. Magic Johnson sure
(18:30):
has never learned it. So I if he were to
leave Fox like tomorrow, I wouldn't be surprised, and I
think Fox would welcome that.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I can I give my real, honest analysis on this thing.
And I'm gonna feel bad because someone will take this
the wrong way, and I know it's the actual analysis.
It's actually how I feel. And again I'm not being
disrespectful to you guys, but I've actually called games for
(19:01):
twenty years and I think I'm really good at it,
and I think I have a really good ear for
what's missing there. Okay, Brady's not very good. Matter of fact,
he kind of stinks. But he is Tom Brady, and
no matter what we think of his style of broadcasting,
when you can get if you can ever get to
him to being relaxed and just being Tom Brady and
(19:22):
just talking just talking football, you can be great. I
think one of the big problems is they put him
in Burkhart. Okay, and I say this thinking Kevin. First
of all, Berkhart is a great dude. I don't know
him personally. I just know I've never in a business
where everybody takes shots at other people. I've never heard
anybody say anything bad about Burkhart. But because he's not
(19:46):
like when Nance decided he liked Romo, he basically knighted Romo.
Nance made Romo look so good right where Nance would
cover a lot of the stuff that frankly, Romo was
supposed to do and supposed to know. Now, Romo hasn't
come up to speed on because he hasn't really been
(20:06):
taught or hasn't h He hasn't hasn't really put what
he's taught and been taught into practice, and he's still
kind of in the same mode hasn't necessarily grown involved
as a broadcaster, right, But but nance really really really
made Romo look good. Like the best guys. And I'm
just gonna tell you, like Iron Eagle and I have
(20:28):
dear friends, great broadcasters, Boog Shambi. I heard him calling
the Kansas game so two nights ago with Jake Williams
like he's fantastic at it and Spirodidas who I work
with a bunch, but Iron Eagle, and again, I know
I'm good at it. I'm in college basketball. I think
I call as good a game as anybody there is.
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But when I was with Iron Eagle, man, I sound amazing,
and it's it's just a gift that he has. Part
of it is he's been doing it long enough, and
it's confident enough knows how to work the producers, knows
how to make you feel like I'm gonna get it,
I'm gonna where. When it's Burkhart, it feels like because
he hasn't maybe made it in the public eye, or
(21:10):
maybe it's because he's trying so hard to just t
Brady up that it's it's almost more like an interview
than it is them calling the game. Does that make sense?
To you guys. Yes, it's it's it's it's it's not
sucking up to him. But it's like it's so blatantly
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obvious that Burkhart hasn't if he was with Mike Rico,
if he was with al Michaels, if he was with
Jim Nantz, I think he'd be a much better broadcaster
because those guys have done it, they've worked with anybody.
They're not necessarily intimidated or in awe, and it's not
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their job necessarily to make Tom Brady look good. They
just are gonna call it an instinctive. They know how,
they learn about their color analysts, and they know when
to get him in, when to not get him in,
and they kind of push all the levers. The only
thing they don't do is they don't say the words,
and they're constantly doing it, Whereas it's almost like Kevin Burkhard,
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what do you think, Tom? Yeah? Tom good one Tom,
And he doesn't mean to do it, but it's because
where he is in the growth of his own career
and this is his first gigantic job, whereas al Michaels
has probably been doing it too long. Like let's just
be like he's still kind of grumpy out. He's still
out frickin' Michaels, right, he still do you believe in miracles?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I think those two are miscast and I think that's
probably the biggest flaw. And then the second biggest flaw
is whoever's working with him hasn't gotten to figure out
to just relax. And last year when he was out,
he should have been doing more. He should have been
doing games. Gota do games level You just learn. And
(23:03):
again this is where I would put my own like one,
when I do college games, my first three or four games,
it was a little clunky every year, and then you
warm up to doing them. That's why you love those
tournaments early in the season. It takes you a while.
And now as a college coach, something I hadn't done,
but I had the skill set four. Okay, you just
learn as you go and you get better. Some guys
don't get better, you know, like I don't. I don't
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know if Drew Brees, if he gets a second shot,
will be better because Drew Brees was the exact same thing.
They try and be what they think people want to hear,
and what they really want to hear is just be
Drew Brees, just be Tom Brady, you know, figure out
a way to get him to talk like they would
talk to a buddy when they're watching the game.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
I think, honestly, that's that's part of it is, let's
be real, Tom Brady's kind of a dork, you know,
like I mean, like you're for as great as he is,
for everything that he has, he kind of is right
like that. That's like the portion of it. But then
there's the whole other factor of the why does Brady
do it? And I think Brady needed this void or
(24:04):
wanted something that he felt was going to fill this
void in his life of not playing Fox gives him
a big contract offer perfect, I'm out of the game,
but I'm still in the game now. This Raiders thing
is finalized. That comes along and he's a minority owner.
Guess what, that's probably scratching the itch a little bit
more because there's more of a competitive side to it
(24:26):
than there is of you know, being in the booth
on every Sunday and Monday and critiquing players. And honestly,
even though I just called him a dork, he probably
it's like it's why Tiger Woods can't give golf lessons
because Tiger plays the sport. It's such a different way
that you know, he just he wouldn't be good at
it because his mind works differently than everybody else's and
(24:47):
what he can do and what comes natural to him.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
There could be a portion of that with Brady.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
But I think now what we're going to see into
the Marshan report that Brady would stop at Fox. I
think it's because this Raiders thing probably does scratch the itch.
It would be more appealing to him to stay in
football and do what he wants to do after retirement
and gives him an opportunity to compete and be in
that arena again.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I told urban Meyer when he first got back to
Fox after the after the Jaguars job. I said to
urban Meyer in Colin's dressing room, I said, the mistake
you made if you wanted to stay retired was you
went to games and you called games for ESPN on
(25:31):
site because and this is for Brady, the same thing
like if you're in the studio, you don't feel the
juice of the stadium. You don't feel you don't when
you're and this is this is why I never lost
that itch to coach. Was the last five seven years
of my broadcasting career I called I was. It was
(25:53):
like three to one calling games to doing studio. And
when you're out there at a game, all you want
to be is in that locker room or lose. You
don't care because you're If you're a hooper, you want
to be run a hoop team. If you're a football player,
if you've led forty five other guys in the battle,
you know, forty six game day. You lived forty five
guys in the battle every day for twenty years, and
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now you don't. And now it's you and Kevin Burkhart
and a bunch of TV guys that just all suck
up to you, and none of them can look at
you in the eye, and none of them are the
greatest athletes on earth. You miss it, So yeah, I
think there is a certain amount of you miss that
void in your life. And look, I mean Peyton Manning
was probably the smartest one of anybody. He could have
(26:36):
called any of these games ever, and instead he didn't
do it because he didn't want to do it. He
wants to run a team, but as of now he
just gets to sit on his couch and critique games
and do his thing and doesn't have to take orders
from anybody else. God bless him, God bless him. So again,
(26:58):
I don't know. I have no inside knowledge of any
of it. But if really smart connected people say he's
kind of running the search with the Raiders, it sounds
like he probably is. And Dan, what you're saying makes
a lot of sense when you're around it. When you're
calling games on a weekly basis and you have them
been away that long, you'll probably really miss it, and
(27:20):
you probably have that itch and you don't care about
anything else. And oh yeah, by the way, it's not
like Vegas is Jacksonville or Cincinnati or Cleveland someplace that
is foreign to you. It's Vegas. You can go in
and out and live where you want and see your
kids when you want and have a cool place and
then have a real life outside of it.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Fox wouldn't do this, This is never a possibility. No
network could ever do this. But if Brady started out
on the sixth team on Fox or CBS or wherever,
maybe there's a bit of a challenge and competition of Okay,
how can I try to get up to the number
one booth? But they also just he has the number
one spot. Here's the check, the whole deal. There's no
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competition in that, and I think that's probably something that
he's missing as well.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Dan, I completely agree with you. That's what everybody should do,
is start and because what happens is to lower the
level and not even call. It's just it's very similar
to college basketball. Right. My level is so much harder
than had I gotten a high major job, like if
I got the Oklahoma State job. You have a whole
academic wing. You don't have to worry about that. We
don't have an academic advisor like we had. Each coach
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has to have. You have to sit there and open
up your stuff, show me what you've done, you know,
show me where you are with classes, all this other stuff.
Like there's so many things we have to do, but
you have to those are things you have to learn,
and then when you get to the higher level, people
do it for you. Same thing with calling games, you know,
like right now, he doesn't have to do all the
research on his own. People will do it for him.
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They'll send them the video, to send them the notes,
to do everything for him. But the truth is you
need to do it that way so that you really
dived into it to figure out how to do it.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
I mean, even Greg Olsen first, as great as he is,
he joined that Fox is the number two guy and
then got bumped up to number one. It's tough for
those I know, you love Adam Marchalatta and what he does.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
You know, he's kind of stayed in that same window.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Other guys have gotten opportunities moving up and networks. It's
a perfect world, but it's just very difficult to navigate.
And I don't know if it's the real world, but
ultimately I guess I guess the real question, at least
with you, is cam Brady do both?
Speaker 4 (29:32):
And I don't think.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
I don't think he's going to be able to if
he's had this much of a hand in what the
Raiders are doing moving forward. It's one thing to be
a minority owner and be silent, to be like, oh,
I'm just here so my investment grows and I'll show
up here and there.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
There's none of that with the Raiders. By the way,
just so you know, historically, if you're a minority stockholder
with the Raiders, there's no real true benefit to it
unless he's getting a chance to make some of these decisions.
But anyway, go ahead and.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Know that could be that would be the reason and
why then he probably couldn't do both.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Now you couldn't do both. From this perspective, it's different
than mine. You couldn't do both because no one's ever
going to tell you anything. You can't go and I'm
going to call the you know, call the Broncos game
against the Chargers, Like now, you can't do that because
they're not going to sit there and let you watch
their practice and then you can pick apart which players
you want or oh yeah, by the way, call your
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coaches and say like, hey, so and so is going
to be out for a while, Like now you can't.
You know, if you really do the job, you know
so much more than you actually share on TV. It's
an art what people do when they broadcast a game.
If they've really done the job, you actually know what
plays are coming, what they're going to do, if you
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sit with coaches, if you have true insight, it's the
It just shows that Romo hasn't been doing the job.
The fact that he's not able to do it, and
he used to do the job. That's because he actually
did it. He actually called people knew what was coming
before it was coming. That will never exist. If you're
Brady and you're pulling the strings with the Raiders, it
just won't.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Just won't.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
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Speaker 2 (31:13):
App Doug Ollie Show, Fox Sports Radio Right now Draft
Kings Sportsbook on the app you can find updated odds
to win national championship. Ohio State is still the favorite.
Notre Dame is there minus one forty. Notre Dame is
plus two fifty, and Texas is plus four fifty. Also
at the Draftking sports Book gap right now, Ohio State
is giving six points to Texas in the Cotton Bowl
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over unders fifty one and a half. That's the total
if you prefer the money line. The Draftking sports Book
app has Ohio State at minus two thirty eight and
Texas at plus one ninety five plus one ninety five.
Mark Dominic will join us in a couple of moments,
but obviously excited about tonight's game. Dan, you are mister
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Ohio State football.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I'm a fan. Yeah, I appreciate that. I don't know
if I'm missed her, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, my my late father was in Ohio State alum.
He never missed a game. He loved it. And you know,
it's really fascinating how you know you talk about the
numbers not lying right, Like you could say the same
thing about Ryan Day up until he got to the
College Wall playoff. Now they've won two games, still haven't
meat in Michigan, and they'll people be like, oh, Ryan Day,
he's a choker, you know, or or or Lou Henson
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talk about Ryan Day's teams not being physical. So but
he has a chance to shut everybody the heck up
with yet another win tonight. Were your thoughts on this matchup?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Yeah, Lou Holtz not Lou Henson said.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Sorry, but that my age when I when I when
I think about I value about Ryan Day and his
died beard. Yeah, people are very concerned about his beard
being died. Like, really, is that all we have to
talk about?
Speaker 4 (33:00):
It is? It is quite the look.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
There has been a little relief from these past two games.
I ultimately dug I know in the heart of hearts
of some Ohio State fans that even a national championship
won't cure what happened at the end of November. But
that's maybe, as kirkrb Street calls it, that's the lunatic fringe.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
But that's yes, that's just the reality that it is.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Is I think this is the tough part is so
we just got done with talking about James Franklin not
coming through in big games and is it really his fault?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
And Ryan Day for the most part has if you will.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
I mean, they lost the national championship when he was
the head coach in the COVID year when I think
they were completely overmatched. They also didn't have some players
available for that game. They weren't the better team that year.
They probably should have beat Clemson in the Fiesta Bowl,
but that would have gone on Day's shoulders because if
they did the next year, they ended up, you know,
beating Clemson in that game and getting revenge. And so
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he's been able to bounce back. And if they win tonight,
I think they'll be, you know, a decent favorite against
Notre Dame. Not that that means anything, but I think
it will take some of the pressure off. It's funny
because I think it was Dennis Dodd at CBS Sports
wrote like, why does Ryan daven need Ohio State right now?
So that's maybe Ryan Day should go look for greener
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past years. I told you I think motivation is a key.
It helped them in their first two games. I hope
as a fan that they find it tonight. I actually
think it's if Texas's defense can can just at least
try to slow down Ohio State, that that's that's the
opportunity that they have in Texas has a pretty good defense.
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They're great at running the ball against bad teams. That's
something that Joel Klad has pointed out. Texas doesn't run
the ball necessarily against good defensive teams. In Ohio State
is one of the better defensive teams. So that's another
thing to look at. But yeah, if Texas doesn't, if
Ohio State comes out like gangbusters, like I think they
will try to do again. I don't think there's going
to be any more let's try to be physical and
run the ball. I think it's going to be you know,
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boom boom boom, Yeah don't. I don't think Texas can
win in a shootout, all.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Right, steg Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Mark
Dominic is our guest Mark. I'm fascinated by what a
scout sees and what we see in a game last night.
What jumped off the page or jumped off the screen
last night.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
The orange ball to you, I think, you know, probably
the fact that statistically and in the game, Penn State
felt like they were winning and should have probably had
a bigger lead in that first half and they actually
came away with and so that was kind of a
you know, you let them hang around and suddenly Notre
Dame does you know, Notre Dame makes the key interception,
but also some key plays throughout the game, and you know,
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Notre Dame wins and that's great. Penn State felt like
they lost the game as much as Notre Dame won
the game. I mean Penn State had what five six
seven sacks, that intercept, two interceptions. This is just a
you know, a well fought game by the fighting Irish,
and it's why we get to play sixty minutes of
football and until that clock says zero, you know you
still got a chance to win. I mean, that was
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an exciting game by just a surprising outcome, but happy
for Notre Dame for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
let's get to the Raiders. I was told that Tom
Telesco was safe, or that he was told he was
safe on Tuesday. On Thursday he was let go. Some
of this is classic Raiders, but some of it is
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feels like, well, they're clearing clearing everything out, so whoever
they hire can bring in their own. Guy. What do
you think took place in Las Vegas?
Speaker 6 (36:46):
Yeah, it feels like it feels like that. I wonder,
you know, because it is odd that they just didn't
make both decisions at the same time. I'm wondering if
as Antonio appears left the building as well as some
of the other coaches that they're like, hey, by the way,
we were the one fighting for the trade up to
go get a quarterback. By the way, we were the
ones trying to you know, change up the roster, and
and I wonder if Mark David started looking at everything
(37:07):
going you know what, Yeah, Block Bowers is a great pick.
But at that point, Block Bowers is a pretty easy pick.
You know, when you're when you're thick at thirteen and
you know, a top five players still on the board,
and so I think it's that I think that maybe
Tom didn't maybe have the same mess in terms of
what looking for for a head coach. And I think
that they also, you know, the reason they hired Tom
(37:28):
Telesco and he's a friend of mine, but they hired
Tom to work with a first year head coach in
Antonio Pierce. And you know, I don't feel like that
went very well. I said, I think we talked about it,
but those two are very different people, very different people,
and you know, I just didn't think that was really
going to be a good fit. So I think Mark
Davis said, you know what, let's just go back to
the drawing board, start this thing over as if we
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did last year, and let's find the right gentle manager
of the right head coach, and let's clear the slate.
I don't think it's to clear the table for Bill Belichick.
I think it's more of just like, let's restart this
whole thing and see what we can actually come up
put the right way.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Who's the best fit.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
For the Raiders. You know, I don't I wonder if
it's not a good idea. You know, when you when
you start to think about the different people that are
interviewed for jobs. I'm not so sure like you want
to you might want to go with a former player.
I mean, I think that that's not a bad decision overall,
and I'm not really exactly sure where I think Aaron
Glenn's gonna end up. And I think that might be
a really good fit for the Raiders, even though you know, offensively,
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they got to figure out, you know, who's going to
compete against Adan O'Connell to make sure that they've got
really good competition in there. But I think I think
Aaron Glenn could be a very interesting fit there. I
know they just went from a former player, but Aaron's
got so much more experience, especially at the national football level.
But I think he's a very intriguing fit for them,
and maybe bringing a personnel from Brad Holmes or from
the drillne with him.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm interested in, uh,
some of the other jobs. Uh, if you were on
the market and you're you know, Ben Johnson, you're one
of these, you know guys that is on everybody's list,
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what's the best job.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
It's a weird question because I think I will give
you a surprise answer, you.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Can the one you can get.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
No, No, I don't think. I think keeping the spot
like he did last year. I think Ben Johnson can say, hey,
look I don't want to go yet, I still don't
like it and get a pay rate. You know, he
can be making seven eight five two million. I mean
he's going to get to two million dollars a year
in a blink as a coordinator. I mean if he's
not already there, So I think he'd be selective. I
actually think the Patriots job is very attractive because I
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think that they've got Drake May who I think played well,
and Milton obviously played the last week and played better
than I think most people thought and cost him the
numbre pick overall because he played well enough to do that.
But you look at the Patriots and I feel like
they're in really good salary cap space. They have a
young quarterback that I think that showed a lot of potential.
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And then you say, if I can I've got a
you know, a high, high draft choice that I walk
out with, you know, the top receiver, Go sign t
Higgins rafter running back in third, fourth rounds and certainly
turn around and just change this offense overnight. I think
that's a real possibility. The problem you're looking as you
get the Buffalo Bills in the way. I don't think
Jacksonville is as attractive as people think because I don't
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think that I don't know the relations between Ben coach
Ben and Trent Balky, who they've retained as GM, and
I think that's going to be a roadblock. And there
are starting to be some whispers that Trevor Lawrence as
good a guys as he really likes football, but does
he love it? And that's starting to be the debate
that you're starting to hear around the nation football. So
that makes that drop a little less attractive as well.
(40:47):
So I kind of like the Patriots job.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Wow, who who would have thought? Stug Gottlieb show here
on Fox Sports Radio, Okay, we're getting ready for the
play and you got the Lions with a gigantic, gigantic win.
And you and I have talked about Sam darn a lot.
He clearly did not play well on Sunday Night. What
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does that mean to you? If you're there, if you're concidental,
if you're the general manager of the Vikings, what does
that do for you? In regards to how you want
to approach this offseason, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (41:27):
Think it just makes me want to see this game
this week. You know, at the beginning of the week, Doug,
I was thinking of I'm really big on the Rams,
and Rams are gonna win. They're on fire. And then
I really started breaking down the game and looking at
Minnesota's defense and the Rams offensive line. Look, Matt Stafford
when he's not sacked this year is seven to zero.
We've got a lot of sacks coming in to Arizona.
Now with this Minnesota team from different ways, with Brian Flores,
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I think they're going to get to Matt Stafford. The
game's gotten closer. I'm leaning more towards the Vikings or
going I'm not leading. I'm going with the Vikings in
this game, where I thought at the beginning of the
week I was absolutely going to go with the Rams.
I think Sam Donald responds, and I think until you
actually see him play this next game, you push pause.
Everybody's allowed to have a tough game in the NFL.
It's perfectly fine. Sam Donald had a really rough game.
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But if he can respond in the postseason and get
a victory, that's going to say spend volumes and that's
going to mean a lot. And I think the entire
league is watching, right, It's not just the Vikings. That's like,
everybody needs the quarterbacks. Like what is Sam Donald going
to do back to back weeks when it really matters?
That's what everyone wants to see. It's a lot of pressure,
but I think Sam can handle it. But I wouldn't
do anything until I see this game and see exactly
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how he performs, and hopefully more than just one playoff game.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Is this the year for the Bills? Is this year
for the Ravens in the AFC?
Speaker 6 (42:43):
I am going to lean towards what I started to the
beginning of the season. I said the Buffalo Bills are
going to the super Bowl. I'm going to stick with it.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
You know.
Speaker 6 (42:50):
I think the Ravens are really talented and Zay Flowers
being out doesn't help. But I think they should get
fast to the Pittsburgh Steelers because I think they're just
going to Obviously the eight and number eight, you know,
add up to thirty. Heck, the Ravens scored thirty points
four weeks in a row Pittsburgh. I think it was
only scored thirty points all season long four times. So
you know, I like the Ravens now but I just
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I just feel like the Buffalo Bills are so healthy
right now. If they can get through Round one and
stay healthy against the Denver Broncos, I think it's going
to make a great matchup in round two. And you know,
I've just got the Buffalo Bills as the team that
I thought was going to go to the Super Bowl
again at the beginning of season. I didn't change my mind.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
NFC Lions home field advantage throughout, defense played well enough
on Sunday, has a chance to get healthier, but obviously
not a strength and they were closed last year. You
got the Eagles, you know, Vikings, I don't know Packers,
I don't know Washington. Who do you think comes out
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of the NFC?
Speaker 6 (43:52):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's going to be
a classic game. I think as you you know, this week,
I feel like Tampa Bay is going to win against
the Washington Commanders. Like I said earlier, I think the
Vikings plot of victory. I think the Eagles beat the
Packers and so that leaves really good you know, goes
you know, Bucks go to Eagles this time instead of
Vice versa. I think the Eagles Denver, Eagles Detroit in
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the championship game. I'm going with the Eagles. As much
as I like what Detroit has done, I just don't
think you can win shootout after shootout. Yes, they had
a great performance against the Vikings. The Vikings also did
not have a great performance, and some of that can
be attributed to Aaron Glenna. What they did defensively something
could attributed to the Vikings were off, and so I
just I think I'm going to go with the Eagles
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and what Vic Fangeo has done there on defense, and
I'm going to ride Sakuon Barkley and Jalen Hurts, and
I think that that's going to be enough to put
them there. I would rather be Detroit. I think it's
a great story if you get Buffalo Detroit, but I'm
going to ride with the Eagles right now.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Doug, awesome stuff. Hey, Mark, We really appreciate you joining us.
We look forward to hearing your thoughts as we get
ready for the next round of the playoffs. Obviously game
we get closer to the to the draft. I do
have one more question, again, no prep for it, but
it's this, Who's the name out there that guys like
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yourself know that people like us will only learn when
they get named as a head coach. Right, who's the
guy out there? I mean, we know Ben Johnson is obviously,
you know about the Red Treads and Brian Flores. Who's
the guy out there that everyone's talking about? This guy,
he's probably going to get a job in the cycle,
in this.
Speaker 6 (45:26):
Cycle, in this one coming up.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Mm hmmm, uh.
Speaker 6 (45:30):
You know, I had to choose one. I think we've got.
I think it's probably I think Matt and Maggie has
a real shot at the job. And I know he's
been recycled, but I think that that's a real name
that's had. He was a good coach beforehand with a
bad roster. I think that's a name. The guy that
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I still think is kind of a sleeper, but he's
not in this cycle. I think he's next year's Dan Pitcher,
who's with the Cintani Bengals at the offensive Cornator. I
think that name becomes a hot name next year, but
the year is a little bit quieter. So you know,
if I want to go one year ahead, I go Dan.
If I go in this year, I think the sleeper
name might be Matt, Maggie.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Good stuff as always, Mark, have a great night, enjoy
the game. We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 6 (46:11):
Just enjoy the games.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
So way tire buying should be? What a football game?
What a football game? And you know what's interesting about
last night's Notre Dame win over Penn State. And look,
you're allowed to have your own opinion. Be wrong, I'm kidding.
(01:01):
You're allowed to have your own opinion. Here's mine. I
maybe this is me really becoming a full time you know,
mentally more of a coach. Okay, so this may I'm
guessing again. Jason and I haven't discussed this because I
was waiting to get out of heir discuss it. Maybe
(01:22):
this is me really kind of accepting that I'm a
coach and I have to see things differently. But I
know James Franklin has a bad record against ranked teams.
I'm fully, fully aware. None of this is a surprise
to me. I followed college football. I know him a
(01:44):
little bit. I wouldn't say we're friends or even friendly,
but I know him. I watched him. I went to
the Rose Bowl a couple of years ago and watched
his team win, et cetera, et cetera. But I walked
away from last night, right, Actually, I guess I walked away,
but I wasn't at the game, so they walk away.
I turned off the TV, and there was a portion
(02:05):
of me that was like, are we really going to
Are people really going to be critical of James Franklin
for losing another big game when I watched last night?
And I'm hard pressed to point the finger at James Franklin, right, Like, again,
a play call here, play call there. I guess you
(02:26):
could be critical of them trying to score with a
tie game late, but even their process of that was
the right one, where they ran the ball on first down,
got a fifteen yard game, and only then did they
decide to throw it, and the quarterback made a horrendous
decision when his first and second read wasn't open. I
(02:49):
am not one of these people that likes participation trophies
or things that everybody wins in any game. I vehemently
disagreed with. Was it Joe Biden who was said both
LSU who beat Iowa and Iowa should attend the White
House two years ago after the National Champions of Game. No,
I did not say that. I do not believe that.
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But I clicked off the TV last night and I
felt like Marcus Freeman lived up to the billing as
I thought he would. Of being somebody that makes Notre
Dame him incredibly likable, he just does. He makes Notre
Dame likable. And I didn't think James Franklin lost last
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night even though his team lost. I don't know if
that makes sense. So I walk away thinking of the
hell of football game and somebody did in fact have
to win, and somebody did in fact have to lose.
And I gotta tell you, I struggled to find any
sort of blame to lay at the feet of James Franklin.
(04:05):
Is that wrong? Sam? You've watched a ton of Big
ten football is that wrong?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I really thought, you know this, Yeah, I thought that
James Franklin had his team ready to go. I thought
that that was a big game, and I know he lost,
but honestly, they kept you know, pulling, they kept up
punching back and fighting back. And I'm not gonna say
I saw a lot of memes after that game, you know,
the big game meet stuff, and I just didn't feel that.
I thought that they were just as competitive as Notre Dame.
(04:32):
And yes that that final drive of Theirs was a mess,
but honestly, they they could easily be in the National
Championship game right now.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Dann, what about you? I mean, like, listen, we can
easily be harshly critical of people, but I struggle on
this one to go like, yeah, James Franklin, his team choked,
Like I don't know, it's a great football game. I mean,
Notre Dame couldn't move the ball at all, except for
you know, two guys fell down in their last touchdown.
(05:04):
I mean, they could not protect could not protect the
quarterback at all. It was ugly. Penn State's defense got
after it. It was like Penn State's offense was great,
but they could run the football. Some it's twenty four
all game and a quarterback who I don't think he
played particularly well. I thought he got bailed out on
at least one of those two defensive penalties on interceptions.
But he makes a bad decision, throws the interception. Nore
(05:26):
Dame does just enough to get themselves in the field
goal range and they make a field goal.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I just say, the numbers don't lie. They can lie.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
At Vanderbilt, you can play a top ten team, a
top five team and not win when you're coaching at Vanderbilt.
But at Penn State, at some point you have to
get over that hump. And the hump isn't just necessarily
a top ten team specifically, it is Ohio State, it
is Michigan, it is Notre Dame. It's those brands in
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those names and those numbers that matter. Four and twenty
against top ten opponents, one in fifteen at Penn State
against top five opponents, one in eighteen in his career.
That's why I even take the Vanderbilt stuff out of it.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Doug.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
They I know it was a coin flip last night,
but last night's the opportunity to do it.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
I don't know why they're throwing the ball.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
To be honest with you, considering the point that you
laid out about their defense and getting after it and
what they could do to put the ball in Harm's way.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I don't know whose decision that was.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
And Drew Heller through the interception, and then their defense
couldn't stop notre name on the ensuing set of downs
to get them in the field goal range. But these
numbers don't lie. And I get it that they're in it,
and I get it that they're teams in the semi
final and they're there to the end and players need
(06:57):
to make plays. But maybe this is a game they
should have won by ten. Maybe there's a game they
should have won by fourteen. And I think that's the
problem with James Franklin.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Here's Greg McElroy right before that interception.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
I'm aggressive.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
I mean I got two timeouts. I feel like the
momentum has been back and forth.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Quarterback for the most part all season, longest whole career,
drew Allers made good decisions.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
He's got fifty plus.
Speaker 8 (07:23):
Touchdowns, only nine career interceptions.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
He's not likely a guy that's.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Gonna put the ball in Har's way.
Speaker 8 (07:29):
I trust him.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I think you do it.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
And I would empower him in this situation, to drive
him down the field for a game when he feels goal.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I just you know words that you'll you'll eat.
And again here's another one, Doug though in the game,
there's a whole another McIlroy conversation. But sorry, go ahead, now,
go ahead, you can finish.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
He was talking about Notre Dame shouldn't score a touchdown
on their drive with like twenty What are you talking
about just taking knee and get the field. Yeah, college kickers,
that's exactly who we want to rely on.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Notre Dame. It's really struggled kicking the ball all year.
They had the lowest field goal conversion percentage of any
team in individual one football.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Oh manh yeah, that was that was That was a
I don't think macroy had a great night there, but
that he's not he's not the biggest issue.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
But no, but again, okay, so let's let's let's have
a little bit of the conversation. Okay, they they did
force a little bit of the I mean this I've said,
and I know there are people in the media that
pretend like it's not a big thing. It's a gigantic
thing that Marcus Freeman is the first black head coach
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to coach for national championship. It's a big thing. I
just again, there's a time and a place where do
we have to wedget in on a game winning drive
that ends in a field goal? Like? Is that is
that really the place? Like? No, not really, you don't
need to mention it. Yeah, I I do. I thought,
And I know Mceilroys he's not he's not like he's
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twenty five, but how was his early thirties. He has
not been doing this a long time, and I thought
he showed his inexperience there. But here's what it showed
to me. And this again is me learning as being
a coach. You know, everyone who sits at home or
sits on a sideline and calls games, we all think aggressive, aggressive, aggressive, aggressive,
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And even in the you know, even people who were
critical of the prevent defense, you know, prevent defense prevents
you from winning games. Whatever. Do you think these coaches
would do it if they didn't think it worked. It
wasn't time tested. And I'll give I'll tell you like
my own experience and with my team, I thought coming
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to the year, granted, we have a major injury. Nation's
leading scorer is still injured, so we're going to be different.
But even perceiving that, you know, we were a top
one hundred and twenty offense. But it doesn't matter if
you can't stop any but you can't rebound. And we
found that, you know, our studies showed that second half
(10:09):
we were getting beaten badly on the boards and we
were struggling with fatigue. And it was in the second
half and we kind of figured, hey, we're playing too
fast and running ourselves out of a lead. Now we
had a ten point lead against Northern Kentucky and there
was a bunch of reasons we end up losing that
game and then up being eighteen. It was a nine
point game, kid Big banging in three get threes at
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the end of the game. But you know, and we
can blame the officiating all we want, but the truth
is that we still have some of the same issues
that persist. But what's fascinating to me is that McElroy
feels like so many of us when we're young, and
we just think offense, offense, offense, offense, or we think
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maybe it's as easy offensively as it was for McIlroy
when he was at Alabama, and it's not that fast now,
it's not that easy now, just not anyway, Notre Dame winning.
So your thing is, James Franklin is a choker.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
You were giving them a pass for last night, and.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Listen, you're writing terms of numbers. And maybe that's the thing.
Maybe it's situational, maybe it's confidence. I don't know. I
do know the hardest it's hard to teach kids how
to win big games, and they haven't won big games.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Here's here's what's interesting is and this is why I
think this is the indictment on James Franklin. Even if
you don't say that they're better than Notre Dame last night,
you can't say that they were worse or are a
worst team entering that game. At worst, you're saying that
they're just too evenly matched teams. And so at least
at some point, if you're flipping a coin, you do
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it ten times, it's at least gonna come up heads
a couple of those times, if its tails every other time.
He can't win a coin flip. So that doesn't tell
me that it's just bad luck that right now he
just he's it's he's part of the problem on why
they can't get over this hump and that interception. What
led up to it previously was a thirteen yard run
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on first and ten from the fifteen yard line. So
that tells me you were willing to run the football,
see what you can get. But then you get out
to the twenty eight yard line and you're ready to
play press your luck.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Like that's just no, Like if you.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Would have been you don't think that's the right decision.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
No, not at all, not in that I just because
I college quarterbacks two defenses with their strengths. I'm not
a Drew Aller fan, and I know that McElroy praised
him keeping control of the football. He threw for one
hundred and thirty two yards last night. It's not like
he was throwing the pill all over the place. Like
your best bet is to stop them on defense, make
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him kick a field goal in overtime, and then you
score the touchdown and not go seventy yards or fifty
yards and thirty seconds against that defense. That's just my problem.
They would have got two yards on first down. They
just run out the clock or figure out a way
to try to work some clock in that scenario.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So gottlieb show here on fox Port trailer that's the
voice of Dan Bayer. Was a good football game? And
how much of it? Until I mentioned it, did any
of you guys think about how bad those first two rounds
of football games were?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
No, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Right, Like if you polled people today like college trouble play, Oh,
it's awesome. This is the greatest thing ever. Notre Dame
Penn say like, yeah, hey, what about Penn State? SMU
Like I don't even remember that game? Did that happen?
What about Notre Dame Indiana? What about you know, Ohio State, Tennessee,
Like Nope, don't remember any of it. All we remember
is all we saw last name. That's it. That's it.
(13:45):
So Notre Dame advances and they will take the take
on the winner of Texas and Ohio State. Texas and
Ohio State. Wow, that's gonna be great. Here's Marcus Freeman
after the game when he was asked about being the
first black an Asian head coach to take his team
to a national championhip game.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
It is an honor and I hope all coaches minorities, black, Asian, white,
it doesn't matter. Great people continue to get opportunities to
lead young men.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Like this.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Good. Yes, I you know, Marcus Freeman makes Notre Dame likable.
These do forever Notre Dame had been seen as arrogant
and entitled, and he makes them likable and honorable. And
that's a that's a hell of a job in changing perception.
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Let's have that conversation we're having on text. I think
(15:04):
it's fascinating. So, in a succession of events, right the
the Raiders fired their head coach on Tuesday. Their general manager,
Tom Telesco was told he was safe on Tuesday, and
Thursday they fired him, and then yesterday and today there's
(15:25):
been multiple ports that Tom Brady is kind of the
lead guy here in some of this decision making, right,
I think, is it Tom Pelisera who reported that that yeah,
he's basically the lead guy.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
He was speaking with Rich eyes In earlier today said
as much that Brady's the one kind of running the show,
whether it be with Pierce and Telesco and whatnot. But
Mark Davis is kind of handed over the reins to
turn over this new Raiders era, and Brady's the one
in charge.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Okay. So, and then of course there's added speculation. Andrew Marshan,
who covers sports media, believes, and there has been growing
belief that this is his first and last year at Fox,
and that he'll then just assume role of being maybe
president of football operations with the Raiders is the thought.
(16:16):
It would be an interesting because Fox does have the
Super Bowl this year, so it would be a one
and done, but go out with a bang. It's not
like you're gonna leave after the NFC Championship game. You
get to call those games. I don't think anybody would
say he's been great at calling games, right, Like, no
matter how much of a supporter at Tom Brady, you are,
nobody's like, man Brady amazing, amazing, But do you think
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he goes to being some sort of leadership position with
the Raiders. I don't know. That's a lot of money
he's walking away from. That's a three hundred plus million
dollar total deal with Fox that I think, you know
has some other things kind of interlaced in it, especially
with this TV twelve stuff. To leave that behind and
go run a football team that seems like Peyton Manning
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stuff more than Tom Brady's stuff.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I know, I find it interesting, and I know Jason
Stewart's thoughts, but I'd like to hear it because I've
heard people say that they feel that Tom Brady has
gotten better throughout the season.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I don't know if that means he's great, he's good.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
And the only reason I say that is because a
majority of his games are on when I'm on the
air at Fox Sports Radio, so I don't get to
necessarily hear the broadcast. But I've heard some people say
that he has gotten better throughout the season.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
And I don't know if he's.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Taken those tips or the changers, or if you guys
have noticed it, but I at least will give him
credit for that if he has improved or has at
least addressed some of the faults that he had early
on in the year Chase.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
Too, I have not seen an improvement. I think my
opinion of Tom Brady right now is that he's basically
the Magic Johnson of the NFL. One of the best
to ever do it, one of the best ever play it,
one of the worst to ever talk about it. Magic
Johnson has been an absolute train wreck as an analyst.
(18:10):
Tom Brady has the same characteristic that Magic has an
utter lack of insight like he doesn't. He doesn't put
us in the helmet of the quarterback, he doesn't tell
us the ends of things like Greg Olsen does. And
I don't think you can coach that. Magic Johnson sure
(18:30):
has never learned it. So I if he were to
leave Fox like tomorrow, I wouldn't be surprised, and I
think Fox would welcome that.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I can I give my real, honest analysis on this thing.
And I'm gonna feel bad because someone will take this
the wrong way, and I know it's the actual analysis.
It's actually how I feel. And again I'm not being
disrespectful to you guys, but I've actually called games for
(19:01):
twenty years and I think I'm really good at it,
and I think I have a really good ear for
what's missing there. Okay, Brady's not very good. Matter of fact,
he kind of stinks. But he is Tom Brady, and
no matter what we think of his style of broadcasting,
when you can get if you can ever get to
him to being relaxed and just being Tom Brady and
(19:22):
just talking just talking football, you can be great. I
think one of the big problems is they put him
in Burkhart. Okay, and I say this thinking Kevin. First
of all, Berkhart is a great dude. I don't know
him personally. I just know I've never in a business
where everybody takes shots at other people. I've never heard
anybody say anything bad about Burkhart. But because he's not
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like when Nance decided he liked Romo, he basically knighted Romo.
Nance made Romo look so good right where Nance would
cover a lot of the stuff that frankly, Romo was
supposed to do and supposed to know. Now, Romo hasn't
come up to speed on because he hasn't really been
(20:06):
taught or hasn't h He hasn't hasn't really put what
he's taught and been taught into practice, and he's still
kind of in the same mode hasn't necessarily grown involved
as a broadcaster, right, But but nance really really really
made Romo look good. Like the best guys. And I'm
just gonna tell you, like Iron Eagle and I have
(20:28):
dear friends, great broadcasters, Boog Shambi. I heard him calling
the Kansas game so two nights ago with Jake Williams
like he's fantastic at it and Spirodidas who I work
with a bunch, but Iron Eagle, and again, I know
I'm good at it. I'm in college basketball. I think
I call as good a game as anybody there is.
(20:48):
But when I was with Iron Eagle, man, I sound amazing,
and it's it's just a gift that he has. Part
of it is he's been doing it long enough, and
it's confident enough knows how to work the producers, knows
how to make you feel like I'm gonna get it,
I'm gonna where. When it's Burkhart, it feels like because
he hasn't maybe made it in the public eye, or
(21:10):
maybe it's because he's trying so hard to just t
Brady up that it's it's almost more like an interview
than it is them calling the game. Does that make sense?
To you guys. Yes, it's it's it's it's it's not
sucking up to him. But it's like it's so blatantly
(21:33):
obvious that Burkhart hasn't if he was with Mike Rico,
if he was with al Michaels, if he was with
Jim Nantz, I think he'd be a much better broadcaster
because those guys have done it, they've worked with anybody.
They're not necessarily intimidated or in awe, and it's not
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their job necessarily to make Tom Brady look good. They
just are gonna call it an instinctive. They know how,
they learn about their color analysts, and they know when
to get him in, when to not get him in,
and they kind of push all the levers. The only
thing they don't do is they don't say the words,
and they're constantly doing it, Whereas it's almost like Kevin Burkhard,
(22:16):
what do you think, Tom? Yeah? Tom good one Tom,
And he doesn't mean to do it, but it's because
where he is in the growth of his own career
and this is his first gigantic job, whereas al Michaels
has probably been doing it too long. Like let's just
be like he's still kind of grumpy out. He's still
out frickin' Michaels, right, he still do you believe in miracles?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I think those two are miscast and I think that's
probably the biggest flaw. And then the second biggest flaw
is whoever's working with him hasn't gotten to figure out
to just relax. And last year when he was out,
he should have been doing more. He should have been
doing games. Gota do games level You just learn. And
(23:03):
again this is where I would put my own like one,
when I do college games, my first three or four games,
it was a little clunky every year, and then you
warm up to doing them. That's why you love those
tournaments early in the season. It takes you a while.
And now as a college coach, something I hadn't done,
but I had the skill set four. Okay, you just
learn as you go and you get better. Some guys
don't get better, you know, like I don't. I don't
(23:25):
know if Drew Brees, if he gets a second shot,
will be better because Drew Brees was the exact same thing.
They try and be what they think people want to hear,
and what they really want to hear is just be
Drew Brees, just be Tom Brady, you know, figure out
a way to get him to talk like they would
talk to a buddy when they're watching the game.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
I think, honestly, that's that's part of it is, let's
be real, Tom Brady's kind of a dork, you know,
like I mean, like you're for as great as he is,
for everything that he has, he kind of is right
like that. That's like the portion of it. But then
there's the whole other factor of the why does Brady
do it? And I think Brady needed this void or
(24:04):
wanted something that he felt was going to fill this
void in his life of not playing Fox gives him
a big contract offer perfect, I'm out of the game,
but I'm still in the game now. This Raiders thing
is finalized. That comes along and he's a minority owner.
Guess what, that's probably scratching the itch a little bit
more because there's more of a competitive side to it
(24:26):
than there is of you know, being in the booth
on every Sunday and Monday and critiquing players. And honestly,
even though I just called him a dork, he probably
it's like it's why Tiger Woods can't give golf lessons
because Tiger plays the sport. It's such a different way
that you know, he just he wouldn't be good at
it because his mind works differently than everybody else's and
(24:47):
what he can do and what comes natural to him.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
There could be a portion of that with Brady.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
But I think now what we're going to see into
the Marshan report that Brady would stop at Fox. I
think it's because this Raiders thing probably does scratch the itch.
It would be more appealing to him to stay in
football and do what he wants to do after retirement
and gives him an opportunity to compete and be in
that arena again.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I told urban Meyer when he first got back to
Fox after the after the Jaguars job. I said to
urban Meyer in Colin's dressing room, I said, the mistake
you made if you wanted to stay retired was you
went to games and you called games for ESPN on
(25:31):
site because and this is for Brady, the same thing
like if you're in the studio, you don't feel the
juice of the stadium. You don't feel you don't when
you're and this is this is why I never lost
that itch to coach. Was the last five seven years
of my broadcasting career I called I was. It was
(25:53):
like three to one calling games to doing studio. And
when you're out there at a game, all you want
to be is in that locker room or lose. You
don't care because you're If you're a hooper, you want
to be run a hoop team. If you're a football player,
if you've led forty five other guys in the battle,
you know, forty six game day. You lived forty five
guys in the battle every day for twenty years, and
(26:14):
now you don't. And now it's you and Kevin Burkhart
and a bunch of TV guys that just all suck
up to you, and none of them can look at
you in the eye, and none of them are the
greatest athletes on earth. You miss it, So yeah, I
think there is a certain amount of you miss that
void in your life. And look, I mean Peyton Manning
was probably the smartest one of anybody. He could have
(26:36):
called any of these games ever, and instead he didn't
do it because he didn't want to do it. He
wants to run a team, but as of now he
just gets to sit on his couch and critique games
and do his thing and doesn't have to take orders
from anybody else. God bless him, God bless him. So again,
(26:58):
I don't know. I have no inside knowledge of any
of it. But if really smart connected people say he's
kind of running the search with the Raiders, it sounds
like he probably is. And Dan, what you're saying makes
a lot of sense when you're around it. When you're
calling games on a weekly basis and you have them
been away that long, you'll probably really miss it, and
(27:20):
you probably have that itch and you don't care about
anything else. And oh yeah, by the way, it's not
like Vegas is Jacksonville or Cincinnati or Cleveland someplace that
is foreign to you. It's Vegas. You can go in
and out and live where you want and see your
kids when you want and have a cool place and
then have a real life outside of it.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Fox wouldn't do this, This is never a possibility. No
network could ever do this. But if Brady started out
on the sixth team on Fox or CBS or wherever,
maybe there's a bit of a challenge and competition of Okay,
how can I try to get up to the number
one booth? But they also just he has the number
one spot. Here's the check, the whole deal. There's no
(28:00):
competition in that, and I think that's probably something that
he's missing as well.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Dan, I completely agree with you. That's what everybody should do,
is start and because what happens is to lower the
level and not even call. It's just it's very similar
to college basketball. Right. My level is so much harder
than had I gotten a high major job, like if
I got the Oklahoma State job. You have a whole
academic wing. You don't have to worry about that. We
don't have an academic advisor like we had. Each coach
(28:31):
has to have. You have to sit there and open
up your stuff, show me what you've done, you know,
show me where you are with classes, all this other stuff.
Like there's so many things we have to do, but
you have to those are things you have to learn,
and then when you get to the higher level, people
do it for you. Same thing with calling games, you know,
like right now, he doesn't have to do all the
research on his own. People will do it for him.
(28:53):
They'll send them the video, to send them the notes,
to do everything for him. But the truth is you
need to do it that way so that you really
dived into it to figure out how to do it.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
I mean, even Greg Olsen first, as great as he is,
he joined that Fox is the number two guy and
then got bumped up to number one. It's tough for
those I know, you love Adam Marchalatta and what he does.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
You know, he's kind of stayed in that same window.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Other guys have gotten opportunities moving up and networks. It's
a perfect world, but it's just very difficult to navigate.
And I don't know if it's the real world, but
ultimately I guess I guess the real question, at least
with you, is cam Brady do both?
Speaker 4 (29:32):
And I don't think.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
I don't think he's going to be able to if
he's had this much of a hand in what the
Raiders are doing moving forward. It's one thing to be
a minority owner and be silent, to be like, oh,
I'm just here so my investment grows and I'll show
up here and there.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
There's none of that with the Raiders. By the way,
just so you know, historically, if you're a minority stockholder
with the Raiders, there's no real true benefit to it
unless he's getting a chance to make some of these decisions.
But anyway, go ahead and.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Know that could be that would be the reason and
why then he probably couldn't do both.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Now you couldn't do both. From this perspective, it's different
than mine. You couldn't do both because no one's ever
going to tell you anything. You can't go and I'm
going to call the you know, call the Broncos game
against the Chargers, Like now, you can't do that because
they're not going to sit there and let you watch
their practice and then you can pick apart which players
you want or oh yeah, by the way, call your
(30:23):
coaches and say like, hey, so and so is going
to be out for a while, Like now you can't.
You know, if you really do the job, you know
so much more than you actually share on TV. It's
an art what people do when they broadcast a game.
If they've really done the job, you actually know what
plays are coming, what they're going to do, if you
(30:44):
sit with coaches, if you have true insight, it's the
It just shows that Romo hasn't been doing the job.
The fact that he's not able to do it, and
he used to do the job. That's because he actually
did it. He actually called people knew what was coming
before it was coming. That will never exist. If you're
Brady and you're pulling the strings with the Raiders, it
just won't.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Just won't.
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Mark Dominic will join us in a couple of moments,
but obviously excited about tonight's game. Dan, you are mister
(32:00):
Ohio State football.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I'm a fan. Yeah, I appreciate that. I don't know
if I'm missed her, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, my my late father was in Ohio State alum.
He never missed a game. He loved it. And you know,
it's really fascinating how you know you talk about the
numbers not lying right, Like you could say the same
thing about Ryan Day up until he got to the
College Wall playoff. Now they've won two games, still haven't
meat in Michigan, and they'll people be like, oh, Ryan Day,
he's a choker, you know, or or or Lou Henson
(32:31):
talk about Ryan Day's teams not being physical. So but
he has a chance to shut everybody the heck up
with yet another win tonight. Were your thoughts on this matchup?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Yeah, Lou Holtz not Lou Henson said.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Sorry, but that my age when I when I when
I think about I value about Ryan Day and his
died beard. Yeah, people are very concerned about his beard
being died. Like, really, is that all we have to
talk about?
Speaker 4 (33:00):
It is? It is quite the look.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
There has been a little relief from these past two games.
I ultimately dug I know in the heart of hearts
of some Ohio State fans that even a national championship
won't cure what happened at the end of November. But
that's maybe, as kirkrb Street calls it, that's the lunatic fringe.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
But that's yes, that's just the reality that it is.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Is I think this is the tough part is so
we just got done with talking about James Franklin not
coming through in big games and is it really his fault?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
And Ryan Day for the most part has if you will.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
I mean, they lost the national championship when he was
the head coach in the COVID year when I think
they were completely overmatched. They also didn't have some players
available for that game. They weren't the better team that year.
They probably should have beat Clemson in the Fiesta Bowl,
but that would have gone on Day's shoulders because if
they did the next year, they ended up, you know,
beating Clemson in that game and getting revenge. And so
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he's been able to bounce back. And if they win tonight,
I think they'll be, you know, a decent favorite against
Notre Dame. Not that that means anything, but I think
it will take some of the pressure off. It's funny
because I think it was Dennis Dodd at CBS Sports
wrote like, why does Ryan daven need Ohio State right now?
So that's maybe Ryan Day should go look for greener
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past years. I told you I think motivation is a key.
It helped them in their first two games. I hope
as a fan that they find it tonight. I actually
think it's if Texas's defense can can just at least
try to slow down Ohio State, that that's that's the
opportunity that they have in Texas has a pretty good defense.
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They're great at running the ball against bad teams. That's
something that Joel Klad has pointed out. Texas doesn't run
the ball necessarily against good defensive teams. In Ohio State
is one of the better defensive teams. So that's another
thing to look at. But yeah, if Texas doesn't, if
Ohio State comes out like gangbusters, like I think they
will try to do again. I don't think there's going
to be any more let's try to be physical and
run the ball. I think it's going to be you know,
(35:05):
boom boom boom, Yeah don't. I don't think Texas can
win in a shootout, all.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Right, steg Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Mark
Dominic is our guest Mark. I'm fascinated by what a
scout sees and what we see in a game last night.
What jumped off the page or jumped off the screen
last night.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
The orange ball to you, I think, you know, probably
the fact that statistically and in the game, Penn State
felt like they were winning and should have probably had
a bigger lead in that first half and they actually
came away with and so that was kind of a
you know, you let them hang around and suddenly Notre
Dame does you know, Notre Dame makes the key interception,
but also some key plays throughout the game, and you know,
(35:50):
Notre Dame wins and that's great. Penn State felt like
they lost the game as much as Notre Dame won
the game. I mean Penn State had what five six
seven sacks, that intercept, two interceptions. This is just a
you know, a well fought game by the fighting Irish,
and it's why we get to play sixty minutes of
football and until that clock says zero, you know you
still got a chance to win. I mean, that was
(36:11):
an exciting game by just a surprising outcome, but happy
for Notre Dame for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
let's get to the Raiders. I was told that Tom
Telesco was safe, or that he was told he was
safe on Tuesday. On Thursday he was let go. Some
of this is classic Raiders, but some of it is
(36:36):
feels like, well, they're clearing clearing everything out, so whoever
they hire can bring in their own. Guy. What do
you think took place in Las Vegas?
Speaker 6 (36:46):
Yeah, it feels like it feels like that. I wonder,
you know, because it is odd that they just didn't
make both decisions at the same time. I'm wondering if
as Antonio appears left the building as well as some
of the other coaches that they're like, hey, by the way,
we were the one fighting for the trade up to
go get a quarterback. By the way, we were the
ones trying to you know, change up the roster, and
and I wonder if Mark David started looking at everything
(37:07):
going you know what, Yeah, Block Bowers is a great pick.
But at that point, Block Bowers is a pretty easy pick.
You know, when you're when you're thick at thirteen and
you know, a top five players still on the board,
and so I think it's that I think that maybe
Tom didn't maybe have the same mess in terms of
what looking for for a head coach. And I think
that they also, you know, the reason they hired Tom
(37:28):
Telesco and he's a friend of mine, but they hired
Tom to work with a first year head coach in
Antonio Pierce. And you know, I don't feel like that
went very well. I said, I think we talked about it,
but those two are very different people, very different people,
and you know, I just didn't think that was really
going to be a good fit. So I think Mark
Davis said, you know what, let's just go back to
the drawing board, start this thing over as if we
(37:48):
did last year, and let's find the right gentle manager
of the right head coach, and let's clear the slate.
I don't think it's to clear the table for Bill Belichick.
I think it's more of just like, let's restart this
whole thing and see what we can actually come up
put the right way.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Who's the best fit.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
For the Raiders. You know, I don't I wonder if
it's not a good idea. You know, when you when
you start to think about the different people that are
interviewed for jobs. I'm not so sure like you want
to you might want to go with a former player.
I mean, I think that that's not a bad decision overall,
and I'm not really exactly sure where I think Aaron
Glenn's gonna end up. And I think that might be
a really good fit for the Raiders, even though you know, offensively,
(38:26):
they got to figure out, you know, who's going to
compete against Adan O'Connell to make sure that they've got
really good competition in there. But I think I think
Aaron Glenn could be a very interesting fit there. I
know they just went from a former player, but Aaron's
got so much more experience, especially at the national football level.
But I think he's a very intriguing fit for them,
and maybe bringing a personnel from Brad Holmes or from
the drillne with him.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm interested in, uh,
some of the other jobs. Uh, if you were on
the market and you're you know, Ben Johnson, you're one
of these, you know guys that is on everybody's list,
(39:09):
what's the best job.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
It's a weird question because I think I will give
you a surprise answer, you.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Can the one you can get.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
No, No, I don't think. I think keeping the spot
like he did last year. I think Ben Johnson can say, hey,
look I don't want to go yet, I still don't
like it and get a pay rate. You know, he
can be making seven eight five two million. I mean
he's going to get to two million dollars a year
in a blink as a coordinator. I mean if he's
not already there, So I think he'd be selective. I
actually think the Patriots job is very attractive because I
(39:42):
think that they've got Drake May who I think played well,
and Milton obviously played the last week and played better
than I think most people thought and cost him the
numbre pick overall because he played well enough to do that.
But you look at the Patriots and I feel like
they're in really good salary cap space. They have a
young quarterback that I think that showed a lot of potential.
(40:03):
And then you say, if I can I've got a
you know, a high, high draft choice that I walk
out with, you know, the top receiver, Go sign t
Higgins rafter running back in third, fourth rounds and certainly
turn around and just change this offense overnight. I think
that's a real possibility. The problem you're looking as you
get the Buffalo Bills in the way. I don't think
Jacksonville is as attractive as people think because I don't
(40:25):
think that I don't know the relations between Ben coach
Ben and Trent Balky, who they've retained as GM, and
I think that's going to be a roadblock. And there
are starting to be some whispers that Trevor Lawrence as
good a guys as he really likes football, but does
he love it? And that's starting to be the debate
that you're starting to hear around the nation football. So
that makes that drop a little less attractive as well.
(40:47):
So I kind of like the Patriots job.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Wow, who who would have thought? Stug Gottlieb show here
on Fox Sports Radio, Okay, we're getting ready for the
play and you got the Lions with a gigantic, gigantic win.
And you and I have talked about Sam darn a lot.
He clearly did not play well on Sunday Night. What
(41:12):
does that mean to you? If you're there, if you're concidental,
if you're the general manager of the Vikings, what does
that do for you? In regards to how you want
to approach this offseason, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (41:27):
Think it just makes me want to see this game
this week. You know, at the beginning of the week, Doug,
I was thinking of I'm really big on the Rams,
and Rams are gonna win. They're on fire. And then
I really started breaking down the game and looking at
Minnesota's defense and the Rams offensive line. Look, Matt Stafford
when he's not sacked this year is seven to zero.
We've got a lot of sacks coming in to Arizona.
Now with this Minnesota team from different ways, with Brian Flores,
(41:50):
I think they're going to get to Matt Stafford. The
game's gotten closer. I'm leaning more towards the Vikings or
going I'm not leading. I'm going with the Vikings in
this game, where I thought at the beginning of the
week I was absolutely going to go with the Rams.
I think Sam Donald responds, and I think until you
actually see him play this next game, you push pause.
Everybody's allowed to have a tough game in the NFL.
It's perfectly fine. Sam Donald had a really rough game.
(42:11):
But if he can respond in the postseason and get
a victory, that's going to say spend volumes and that's
going to mean a lot. And I think the entire
league is watching, right, It's not just the Vikings. That's like,
everybody needs the quarterbacks. Like what is Sam Donald going
to do back to back weeks when it really matters?
That's what everyone wants to see. It's a lot of pressure,
but I think Sam can handle it. But I wouldn't
do anything until I see this game and see exactly
(42:32):
how he performs, and hopefully more than just one playoff game.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Is this the year for the Bills? Is this year
for the Ravens in the AFC?
Speaker 6 (42:43):
I am going to lean towards what I started to the
beginning of the season. I said the Buffalo Bills are
going to the super Bowl. I'm going to stick with it.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
You know.
Speaker 6 (42:50):
I think the Ravens are really talented and Zay Flowers
being out doesn't help. But I think they should get
fast to the Pittsburgh Steelers because I think they're just
going to Obviously the eight and number eight, you know,
add up to thirty. Heck, the Ravens scored thirty points
four weeks in a row Pittsburgh. I think it was
only scored thirty points all season long four times. So
you know, I like the Ravens now but I just
(43:11):
I just feel like the Buffalo Bills are so healthy
right now. If they can get through Round one and
stay healthy against the Denver Broncos, I think it's going
to make a great matchup in round two. And you know,
I've just got the Buffalo Bills as the team that
I thought was going to go to the Super Bowl
again at the beginning of season. I didn't change my mind.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
NFC Lions home field advantage throughout, defense played well enough
on Sunday, has a chance to get healthier, but obviously
not a strength and they were closed last year. You
got the Eagles, you know, Vikings, I don't know Packers,
I don't know Washington. Who do you think comes out
(43:50):
of the NFC?
Speaker 6 (43:52):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's going to be
a classic game. I think as you you know, this week,
I feel like Tampa Bay is going to win against
the Washington Commanders. Like I said earlier, I think the
Vikings plot of victory. I think the Eagles beat the
Packers and so that leaves really good you know, goes
you know, Bucks go to Eagles this time instead of
Vice versa. I think the Eagles Denver, Eagles Detroit in
(44:14):
the championship game. I'm going with the Eagles. As much
as I like what Detroit has done, I just don't
think you can win shootout after shootout. Yes, they had
a great performance against the Vikings. The Vikings also did
not have a great performance, and some of that can
be attributed to Aaron Glenna. What they did defensively something
could attributed to the Vikings were off, and so I
just I think I'm going to go with the Eagles
(44:34):
and what Vic Fangeo has done there on defense, and
I'm going to ride Sakuon Barkley and Jalen Hurts, and
I think that that's going to be enough to put
them there. I would rather be Detroit. I think it's
a great story if you get Buffalo Detroit, but I'm
going to ride with the Eagles right now.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Doug, awesome stuff. Hey, Mark, We really appreciate you joining us.
We look forward to hearing your thoughts as we get
ready for the next round of the playoffs. Obviously game
we get closer to the to the draft. I do
have one more question, again, no prep for it, but
it's this, Who's the name out there that guys like
(45:09):
yourself know that people like us will only learn when
they get named as a head coach. Right, who's the
guy out there? I mean, we know Ben Johnson is obviously,
you know about the Red Treads and Brian Flores. Who's
the guy out there that everyone's talking about? This guy,
he's probably going to get a job in the cycle,
in this.
Speaker 6 (45:26):
Cycle, in this one coming up.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Mm hmmm, uh.
Speaker 6 (45:30):
You know, I had to choose one. I think we've got.
I think it's probably I think Matt and Maggie has
a real shot at the job. And I know he's
been recycled, but I think that that's a real name
that's had. He was a good coach beforehand with a
bad roster. I think that's a name. The guy that
(45:50):
I still think is kind of a sleeper, but he's
not in this cycle. I think he's next year's Dan Pitcher,
who's with the Cintani Bengals at the offensive Cornator. I
think that name becomes a hot name next year, but
the year is a little bit quieter. So you know,
if I want to go one year ahead, I go Dan.
If I go in this year, I think the sleeper
name might be Matt, Maggie.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Good stuff as always, Mark, have a great night, enjoy
the game. We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 6 (46:11):
Just enjoy the games.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
Thanks,
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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