January 11, 2025 • 48 mins
On this edition of the Best Of The Week Of The Doug Gottlieb Show:Doug explains why he thinks the AFC and the battle to dethrone the Chiefs is the biggest story going into the NFL Playoffs. Dan Beyer offers up why he thinks the Lions are the story.
Doug and the crew look back on 1990 in this rendition of "Don't Throw It A Throwback, Thursday".
Doug and Dan Beyer discuss Penn State head coach James Franklin and the role he played in the loss to Notre Dame in the Orange Bowl Thursday night.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Of course. Jason Stewart is the esteem producer And I'm
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Com Studios. And this this is a weird day, right
You'd think you would think that January seventh, when one
of us is in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and three of
(01:06):
us are in Sherman Oaks, California. If weather was an issue.
Common logic would tell you snowstorm, ice storm, Green Bay, Wisconsin, right,
But that's not where the weather issue is. It's actually
right outside the doors of Fox Sports Radio, you guys, everything, okay,
(01:28):
Because I know where, like Dan, where you live, that's
usually a really windy area. I don't think it's the
main focus today. I don't know. I think it's actually
right where studio is and in the Palisades and in Malibu,
et cetera. Everybody safe, okay today at home?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yes, we are all safe. There. Multimillion dollar homes are
in danger just across the hill from where we are.
But the fire is close, but it's not going to
come by us. But yeah, some crazy scenes close by.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, yeah, it looks bad. It's the old Santa Ana
wins and it's really really bad. Okay. I was I
was prepping for today's show, and I was doing a
bunch of reading, and I was trying to figure out, like,
what's what's the what's the main topic. I do want
to talk to what happens to Mike McCarthy, But I
(02:23):
I just kind of think we're in this same place
in the AFC and we've been here for a while
and maybe this is a year Dan byer A, Jason
Stewart where we break through in and we have some
change this week in football from Thursday on football football,
foot buffotaf football football, right, because Thursday you have Notre
Dame Penn State that'll do a huge number. Friday you
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have Ohio State, Texas the Cotton Bowl not actually played
in the Cotton Bowl, which is weird on Friday night.
Then Saturday you have the two you have the two
wild card games in the AFC. You have the Chargers
taken on Houston and Pittsburgh Baltimore. What a great game.
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And then Sunday you have three games Denver, Buffalo, Washington, Tampa,
Green Bay, Philadelphia. Again, I may be speaking out of turn.
I may not have the pulse of America, but I
think I do on this one. I agree with Jason
Stewart in that the quality of play this year in
the NFL wasn't particularly good. I would agree with anyone
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who says that it feels like this has got to
be the year if you're going to get the Chiefs,
this is the year to get the Chiefs. And if
there's a year in which Baltimore can win, it This
has got to be it. If there's a year that
Buffalo could win it, this has got to be it.
But they both have to do it in Kansas City,
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and both have failed previously in the playoffs in Kansas City.
So I guess my question to you guys, is, isn't
that the story of this whole thing? Isn't that the
story of the whole thing? Which is Ken Buffalo or
Baltimore or anybody finally take out Kansas City the AFC.
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That to me is the Pat Mahomes has played in
the AFC Championship Game or Super Bowl every year he's
been a starting quarterback. Amazing, amazing. They of course get
to buy it makes it easier for them to get there.
Still not easy to get there, but you only have
to win one game to get to the AFC Championship
Game and then of course to a super Bowl. Both
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would be both the games to be at home for
the Super Bowls in New Orleans. But I guess, Jay
Stu Dampyre, Dan, isn't that the whole story of the playoffs? Like?
Are there many stories? Yeah? Yeah? I mean what happened
to CJ. Stroud and Kenny get it back in the playoffs.
I mean, you talk about the emergence of the Chargers,
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and I do think they'll be competitive in these playoffs.
I would pick the to beat Houston. You know, you
have Pittsburgh and no one is scared of Russell Wilson.
But should we be You go to the NFC and
you got the dysfunction within Philadelphia. But obviously it doesn't
feel like it would be a stretch to see them
getting there. Obviously, Detroit never having been to a super
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Bowl and having home field advantage route is a big story.
I'm not trying to undersell that. Minnesota doing it with
yet another what felt like perennial backup quarterback in Sam Darnold. Right,
we were here a couple of years ago with case Keenum.
Don't get me wrong, these are good stories. But the
story of the playoffs is Buffalo and Baltimore and Kansas
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City and Kent. Buffalo or Baltimore take down Kansasity and
get the Super Bowl the EFC. Isn't that it?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I actually disagree. Okay, God, I think it's a smaller story.
But I would actually say that last year that was
the story because the Chiefs finally were playing road games
and they had to go to Buffalo, they won, and
then they had to go to Baltimore and they still
won again. And well, I think that the Chiefs three
peat is an obvious story and has been throughout this season.
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I actually think it is the Lions and how it's
set up for the Lions, and really on how for
the Lions over the last couple of weeks or last
couple of days, things have turned in their fortune. We
just had in my report at the top of the
hour David Montgomery should be back for the divisional playoff round.
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That was a big blow to the team. Terry and Arnold,
who was injured in Week eighteen against the Vikings, is
considered day to day. But this is Detroit who has
never been to a super Bowl, and they now have
home field advantage throughout the number one seed in a
season where again, and I tweeted yesterday, I've had are
we sure that Ben Johnson's gonna want to leave for
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any of the available openings right now? Because I think
that these openings are actually less appealing than some of
the ones that were there last year that he didn't
want to take. So I don't know if Ben Johnson
will leave to become a head coach considering what is
out there right now in the NFL. But we also
think Aaron Glenn maybe on the move. He could maybe
be the next head coach of the Saints, going back
(07:14):
to the team that he played for. So it's not
that this is the last hurrah for Detroit, but it's
the last situation where this formation of this team is
all together and now they have home field advantage and
it's set up for him after a fifteen to two season.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So you make a very compelling case. You make a
really compelling case. And here's what I would say, You're
probably right. In the NFC, You're probably right. And to
add to your point, it's people never do what Ben
Johnson did. They just don't, right. Do they turn down jobs, yes,
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do they turn down jobs, you know, to remain a
street Yeah. But he hasn't been a head coach, so
he's never And like, look, one of the things that's
a great misconception or just a misunderstanding. Coordinators make a
lot of money in the NFL, right, those are well
into seven figure jobs. So it's not like he's going
to go from a couple hundred gand a year to
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six seven million a year as a head coach. But
I mean for a guy who's never been a head
coach to turn down head coaching opportunities last year and
then for it all to work out. How many times
do we see the guy the kid in college comes
back for one more year, it's a disaster. The pro
comes back for one more year, it's a disaster. The
coach comes back for one more year, it's a disaster.
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Hasn't been the case in Detroit. Hasn't been the case.
But Mike, I still believe that in totality of you know,
like we're talking about Detroit in one franchise. I don't know.
I just feel like Kansas City's dominance in the AFC
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Buffalo's regular season, like they know they can beat him,
but that thirteen seconds three years ago got to come
back to huntum And how many times are we gonna
give Lamar Jackson the MVP and his team not do
anything in the playoffs. So I'm with you in the NFC,
JA Stu, you'd be the deciding factor. What do you
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think is the bigger story?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
So just to I want to be clear here, you
think that the biggest story is three stories? The Bills
Ravens and Chiefs. Dan thinks the biggest story is the Lions. Uh,
let me let me be the Black Eyed Peas and
I'll meet you halfway.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Thank you, Thanks for that, Ryan.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
The Bills, the Bills are the most intriguing story in
the AFC for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I think I said before.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
The season that the the most compelling story all season
is whether or not the Chiefs could three pe We've
never seen one in our lifetime. I'm rooting for it.
But the Bills are the story going in because I
think they have the best shot at dethroning the chief
I don't know if that answers the question, but I
like the Bill's story going on.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Well, I he Dan, can I can I add to
the Bills thing about it's not just about this generation,
because our generation of adults. I'm talking to Jason, I'm
talking to Dan. So if you're anywhere from probably early
forties to mid fifties, that's a good chunk of people. Okay.
(10:28):
We know the Bills as the only team to make
the Super Bowl four years in a row and not
win it, and then when you factor in how good
they've been with Josh Allen and never to get by
Kansas City in the playoffs. Is still I think that
adds to it. I think that adds to it.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Reil. The only thing I would say to that is, yes,
I understand, but our generation also just knows the Lions
history and where they've been and this is a this
is now in a spot where they've never been before.
They had been to an NFC Championship game, granted it
was thirty years prior with Barry Sanders against Washington, but
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then last year they come with basically within a quarter
and of making it to the Super Bowl and decisions
that were made, and if they don't get it done here,
then you start to wonder, Okay, is this just the Lions?
Is this just them that getting close and they're not
going to be able to cash in and that's why
they're always the Lions. I think that that story creeps in.
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Whereas the Bills and the Ravens and the Chiefs for
that matter, I mean, the Bills beat the Chiefs earlier
this season, is one of their two losses on the year.
I actually think the Ravens have the best chance to
actually go to the Super Bowl. I think if Baltimore
gets a chance to play in Kansas City. Baltimore will
win that game. And so Jason is right in where
he's staying where he felt the Chiefs throughout the season.
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But I also feel that we aren't talking about that,
and I think that's what he's saying as well, that
while he felt that that was the story throughout the year,
entering these playoffs, the Chiefs aren't necessarily the conversation right now.
He feels it's Buffalo. I guarantee there's a group that
feels that it's Baltimore and that Baltimore is ready to
knock on the door because they were a tonail away
from beating the Chiefs in Week one, and they were
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able to dominate the Bills in the regular season, and
now you have Derrick Henry. So if not now when
And your point about Lamar Jackson, Yeah, I think that's fair.
But I think ultimately all those three teams need each
other as part of the story where it's the Lions
and it's the Lions only in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Okay, I agree with you on the Lions. I don't
know if the Lions only, like the Donald story is
still big, right the Eagles and their dysfunction, and also
you know, like is Jalen Hurt's going to play this weekend?
And how amazing it would it be for Green Bay
if they go one to five in Division nearly oh
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and six in Division? Right, they don't block the kick
of the Bears in Chicago and yet they win this weekend,
Like that's a team town enough to win. But I
would agree with you, like in totality, Lions potentially go
into Super Bowl, how close they were, Dan Campbell, all
those things. The issue I would have with your Baltimore
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wins that thing is like what do we have as
a record to tell us that Baltimore can ever beat
Kansas City with Lamar Jackson a quarterback? As much as
I agree they should, The same thing could be said
for Buffalo, But at least Buffalo has in regular season
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and up until the last thirteen seconds of a playoff game,
they have beaten Kansas City. Baltimore hasn't done it. I
don't have they ever won that game. I don't think
they have. I think they've come close several times. But
it's like, of all the teams that own Lamar, no
one owns him as much as Kansas City, And I
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just how many times is this his third MVP.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
He's gonna win a second well, this would be if
he wins, it would be his third. But I don't
think he's gonna win it.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I think it'll be pretty close. Theyink it'd be pretty close.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Mahomes is four and one had to head against Lamar Jos.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I just I don't know. Again, I'm trying to get
it's weird because the I thought the last game was
a great, intriguing, fun ball game, right, But there's so
many of these teams that are so very average and
not capable. And the thing about the AFC is it's
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like everyone thinks this is the year you can get
Kansas City, and yet really, I know they lost Game seventeen,
but really only one team got him, and I think
that's the story of the playoffs. I agree with you Dan,
the NFC, it's the Lions in the AFC, and overall, gosh,
I gotta think it's those other ones. All right. I
have a question for you guys to ponder as we'll
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get back to. We'll get to sports up coming next,
but daylight Savings may be going away. Why did daylight
savings become a thing and why are we so bothered
by daylight savings. I have to have these questions answered
by you, guys.
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We're getting you ready for the Orange Bowl, which is
also the national semifinal for the first ever true college
(15:52):
froball playoff. And we're excited to talk about the game
because we have, honestly, I would say three really big
college fooball fans on the show, and Jason wuldn't even
dispute that, right, Sam, Dan Byer, and myself gigantic college
football fans. And the thing that's also unique is you
have Dan is a Wisconsin from the state of Wisconsin,
(16:15):
huge Ohia State fan, and Sam is an Iowa guy
but a huge Big Ten fan. And of course I
went to the Dame for a year, not a big fan,
but live in Big Ten country. And so you have
guys like look nationally it could be hard to cover
some teams that you don't pay a ton of attention to.
These just so happens to be teams that we pay
(16:35):
a ton of attention to. So we'll pay some attention
to him this hour. One of my favorite things is
a game or a segment I guess that Jase Dou
has come up with and look, full disclosure, I know
that jayse Dou really wants to get to the FMDJ
element of this where he gets to talk about the
hot songs from the given year. But we do this
(16:56):
kind of as a tip of the cap where maybe
even kind of a sneer at the idea of throwback Thursday,
and we call it. Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
All right there, jay Stu, what's the year that we're
not calling it a throwback Thursday?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
For Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. I
was going through some matchups of Penn State and Notre Dame.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Note over the years, Johnny Jack, they played each other
in nineteen ninety. Yes, so think about nineteen ninety. Think
about where you were, what you were doing, and what
happened in sports and otherwise in that game, particularly Notre
Dame and Penn State were both very highly ranked and
(17:50):
they played each other and it was a really good game.
And I guess what ended up happening in that college
football year was that there was another sport championship, right
it was? Was it Georgia Tech and Colorado sharing a
national championship? Ty Dettmer won the Heisman Trophy. Man those
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awards were all over the Mountain time zone. I'm just
noted that I wonder if they refer to nineteen ninety
as the year of the Mountain time Zone. Colorado shares
a national championship. Ty Deptmer wins the Heisman Trophy. Wonderful
year for college football, Dan, anything that strikes out to
you football wise from nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You know, it was a crazy year in the NFL,
but it was really the year where the Dallas Cowboys
kind of started to turn around and become the Dallas Cowboys.
In that nineteen ninety draft, that they were able to
select EMMITTT. Smith, But what was maybe most intriguing was
they didn't have the number one overall pick that year
despite going one in fifteen the previous season. And that's
(18:57):
because in the summer prior in the supplemental after they
took Steve Walsh from Miami. So it was so the
Cowboys didn't necessarily turn things around right when Troy Aikman
came there, because Jimmy Johnson didn't really maybe want Troy
Aikman right away. It was Steve Walsh. But in nineteen
ninety it was the start of the Cowboys turnaround. They
(19:18):
ended up being seven and nine that season. That was
the Super Bowl that ended up having the Giants and Bills.
But the season Phil Simms got hurt, so Jeff Hostetler
ended up taking over. I remember that from nineteen ninety.
In the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Well, you mentioned Notre Dame. In nineteen ninety, rick My
Verver was their quarterback. They had Rocket Ishmael, Ricky Waters,
Tony Brooks. I mean, like, think about the running back room.
(19:53):
Rocket Ishma was actually listed as a running back. They
had Ricky Waters, Jerome Bettis and and Dorsey Levins all
in the same backfield.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
What that year, Yes, yes, holy crap.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yes, dudes, right when Notre Dame was awesome, they had dudes.
Just don't't forget that.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
That was also the year the fifth down with Colorado
and Missouri.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Missouri allowed Missouri.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
A lot of crazy stuff with Missouri because it gives
me the opportunity to correct myself. So Nebraska was the
consensus national champion in nineteen ninety four. Penn State was
tab national championships by some outlets, but is not recognized
as the consensus national championship.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
What has that been recognized?
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Like?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I know you? What I know you? I don't recognize you?
What are the national champions?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Like?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
NAH, Coaches, Poll, Associated Press, they all had Nebraska number one.
Other other outlets sagain other one had Penn State number
one in that ninety four season, But in ninety seven
it was Nebraska and Michigan were co champions. And remember
Nebraska had the crazy kick play against Missouri to score
a touchdown late well seven years prior. Colorado got that
(21:10):
same fortune, except with an extra down in their matchup
against Missouri that would have derailed their national championship hopes.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I have kind of a weird nineteen ninety story for
you guys. I spent both eighty nine ninety and ninety
ninety one all in eighth grade. Wo I repeated eighth grade,
So eighty nine ninety was at Santiago Middle School, where
ironically my son just finished middle school last year. And
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ninety ninety one was at Yorba Middle School, which is
at the other side of Orange. And I had to
take a public bus to and from to and from
school and now on Chapman Avenue, Chapman Avenue, Tustin Avenue
to go down and get off and walk up blocks
to Yorda Middle School. There you go. I was Santana
(22:01):
and then I was at Terrero Terrero, Santana, and then
at Terrero.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
And just up the fifty seven freeway. I was graduating
from high school. But before with.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Linda High School with with Kevin Walker, Kevin Walker.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Keith, Keith Walketh, Kevin's younger brother. Yeah google him. They
were good. But before I graduated from high school, Mike.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Tyson lost his heavyweight championship to bust for Douglas. And
I think it's we always talk about these things that
that happened where you knew, you know, where you were.
I think that was one of the things in sports.
I don't know how young y'all were, but I remember
distinctly being on a skiing trip in Big Bear and uh,
(22:46):
we got news that that the that Tyson lost, and
at that point that was such big news because he
seemed unbeatable.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Uh yeah, but it was. It was in Japan, and
I remember either waking up to it was like late
at night. I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, I remember it was a Saturday. It was a
Saturday night, I think it was.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
It was. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I don't remember anybody actually watching the fight. No, I
just remember the news of it. However, we got.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
News Sports Center, maybe Breaking In or FNN back when
they used to do sports on the weekends, the Financial
News Network.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, CNN Sports right as we were when CNN did sports.
That Dan pass was the CNN Sports nineteen. Fred Hickman Hickdog, Hicckdog,
Hickdog passed away.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah. Yeah. And Nick Charles has left us a while
ago as well.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, he was Hickdog was called when he remember he
was at ESPN for a very brief stint, and his
nickname was the sick Dog because he always called in.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Sick wow, sick dog.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah. This has had nothing new with the health issues
that led to his death.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
It was the Iowa Sam of ESPN.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Okay, come on, yeah, getting over COVID and it was
not fun. So had to call out sick. No one
wants COVID around here.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Do you guys want to hear about the year in golf?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Not really right, want to hear about that? I'm not
saying ninety.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
It was the year of Nick Faldo, who not only
won the Masters in April by beating Ray Floyd in
a playoff at Augusta National, backed it up with a
win at the Open Championship. But most notably, probably from
the nineteen ninety year in golf, we all remember the
lap around eighteen at Madina Hale Irwin making that long
(24:41):
putt on the eighteenth oh yeah, and then giving the
fans the high five, high five, yeah, yep. Ended up
beating Mike Donald the.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Next Donald, Yes, Yes, in an.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Eighteen whole Playoffs playoff high five. One of the lasting
images of nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I had no idea the Reds won the World Series.
Was that Chris Sabo Joserio Jose Ario. But it was
Chris Sable on the team.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Was on that team. Pello was the manager. Eric Davis
was on that team.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
You know Eric Davis, what a great like He was
like the last or one of the last like great
athletes before these new this new generation of.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Paul O'Neil, Todd Benzinger.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, Eric Davis just his timing mechanism, cocking that bat
come all the way down to his waist and high
knee kick. And then Chris Sable had the Rex Specs.
When I think of Loop Andel, I think, if there's
ever been a guy that represents a manager's baseball body,
it's Loopanella, right.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And it was sad that he wore like full uniform.
I never understood why managers were made to wear uniforms,
but he really didn't. The uniform did not fit the
order he got, no it fit.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
He's just fat, that's all it was. I mean, he
just he had little table stick legs and a big
old belly, and he looked like he'd be a good
guy to drink beer with, which is kind of what
a manager is supposed to be.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
Like he's apple on a stick, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
In the NBA Playoffs, in NBA Finals, the Portland Trailblazers
met the Detroit Pistons in Portland actually won game two,
Team two this series even in the series at one apiece.
They went to Portland and then Detroit won three straight.
Vinnie Johnson clutch basket. The end of Game five wrapped
(26:22):
up the championship for the Pistons as they went back
to back.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Let me see how I can do. Let me see
how I do with the Portland Trailblazers starting lineup. Okay,
Dan Kevin Duckworth rip as their center. Yes, they had,
I mean Terry Porter was their point guard quite obviously,
Clyde Drexler, yes, Oh, their two guard, Jerome Cursey was there. Three.
(26:52):
And then their power forward, oh man, like all time
power forward named Buck Williams.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, I think that was Yeah, I think I think
he was on that team. I know they had swung
a deal with the New Jersey Nets to bring him in.
I think it was that season.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Off the I want to say, Danny Ainge off the bench.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, Johnson Petrovich I believe was a part of that
team as well.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
And did they upset the Lakers in the Western Conference
Conference finals, because the Wakers had won two straight up
to that point, right, I.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Know this second? Yeah, the Lakers had won two and
then they lost to the Pistons the year before. This
was the second of the Pistons back to back, right,
and then the next year the Bulls started their three peaks.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
And the next year Portland lost to the Lakers. Yes,
and then Portland ended up making it back in nineteen
ninety nineteen ninety two and losening to the Bulls in
that season. But yes, yeah, I believe it was Buck Williams.
I do. I talked about this on the show, but
I had the poster of Terry Porter, Jerome Kersey and
(27:59):
Buck william It was like them starting a fast break.
It was black and white and the full white background
and all it said was oh and it was really
really yeah, really really cool.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Terry Porter, Wisconsin. Stevens point. Okay, the Pistons starting lineup,
Zeke Joe doo bars and did they did they start
Rodman or did they start?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I thought He's was still coming off the bench, but.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, and then they had who they traded from Mark
Guire for what's his name?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
They traded uh, Adrian Dantley.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Adrian Danty for Mark Wire, said Markguire. And then they
had what Mahorne and Lambier.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yep, Sally, yeah, did you mention John Sally?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I thought John's how I came with the bench right
with Dennis.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Robin and Vinnie Johnson a microwave.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Microwave, Yeah, because he's.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Would he be the air fire now or were you
still be a micro I'm just asking because I love
my Airfire. I just want you to know. If there's
any sponsors out there that want a sponsor with airfire,
I have one that's really good. I mean it's an
airfire fried chicken today for lunch.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Nineteen ninety was maybe my favorite Final four as a kid.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Ooh, that's someone in Denver. That is the one in Denver,
Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yes, with you know me, the Weapon three, The Weapon three,
Kenny Anderson, Brian Oliver, Dennis Scott. But it also featured
Arkansas and the young Lee Mayberry and Todd Day led
team who.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Ultimately would win a national championship in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Except with those not those participants Todd Dan Lee Mayberry
were off to the NBA.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Was Scotty Scotty s Thurman and Courts Robinson. I'm wrong,
You're right, I'm wrong. Good Final four.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, really good Final four.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I watched a retrospective on that Final four and the
Stacey Augman.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
He would always be wearing.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
A go walk man when he would do the warm
ups and stuff, and then as walkman, he says he
always played this song. This is hold On by Wilson Phillips.
It charted for thirty straight weeks on the Billboard Charts.
Really their only, their only relevant single. I think they
(30:19):
tried to do some other songs. Dan probably knows the
secondary songs. But I remember this one release me. I
remember how hot?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Uh hold on to one more day?
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Who Phillips China Phillips. Oh, still looking good these days?
Married to Billy Baldwin.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Really yeah, who is in that catchy tune?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
And really it's universal.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Just hold on for one more you know, hold on,
just hold on like Dan Bayer before Dan Byer said it.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, it was about to say hold on.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Do you guys know? Nineteen ninety was the year I decided,
but I want to become a college basketball player and maybe.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Perfect transition, Doug, because I wanted to get back to
college basketball hood. Hold On.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
That was the year that Hank Gathers died and the
first game back, uh, they didn't play the championship game
of the WCC and it was at Long Beach Arena.
I knew Long Beacherina well because my dad was an
assistant Lomby State, Longyiterian's right next to the Queen Mary
and I'll never forget walked into the building and the
entire place was adorned with maroon and baby blue forty
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four signs hanked the bank. They played New Mexico State,
coached by Lou Henson, in the first round, and midway
through the first half, Bo Kimball's best friend was fouled
and he stepped the line to shoot a free throw,
and Hank Gathers had started shooting his free throws left
handed because he couldn't make him right handed start shooting
(31:48):
better percentage. So as a tip of the cap to
his late friend, he shot left handed, made it three dribbles,
right hand switch. She was left hand, made it holds
forty four up to the sky, and there wasn't a
dry eye in the place, and I was like, this
is what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
It was also while it was an emotional time, it
was also the emergence of the Connecticut basketball program. Sure
a number one seed, and if you remember, Connecticut upset
Eldon Campbell and Clemson in the Sweet sixteen on a
baseball type pass to taint George.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Hey George in New Jersey. The old was a Continental
Airlines arena at that time.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Last Meadowlands, right, Yes, I think it was Scotty Burrell
throw on that pass. So Scotty Burrell throws in that pass,
only to have a two nights later, Christian Lightner start
to add to his lore as Duke ended up knocking
off Yukon with a Latner's own buzzer beater of his own,
as Duke ended up going to that final four. Going back, Okay,
(32:47):
I was just going to say, going back to the
region you talked about. Ohio State was in that West
region and played UNLV who played Loyal and Mary Mount
in the regional final. Moving on, Ohio State needed overtime
to beat Providence by Eric Murdoch and Carlton's screen. That
Providence team was coached by Rick Barnes Alex Davis. He
had a three with three seconds left to tied at
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the end of regulation. Then the Buck guys wanted in overtime,
gave the Rebels a little bit of run for their money,
but just couldn't keep up to the aforementioned Stacy Augman
and the running reps.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
We got to go, but we can't. We can't go
without mentioning the movies that year, I have them Home Alone,
Teenage Meeting, Ninja, Turtles, Good Fellas, I'm Gonna get the papers,
Get the Papers. Ghost was the number one.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Movie internationally and domestically it was Home Alone.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Pretty Woman, Hollywood Baby, What's your Dream? Forty eight hours?
I mean, you want to talk about all time year
for movies total recall onlold Swartzenega nineteen ninety was, what
a year in movies?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You in danger girl?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
What in absolutely that is? Don't call it a throwback Thursday?
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Don't call it a throwback.
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(34:38):
What a football game? And you know what's interesting about
last night's Notre Dame win over Penn State. And look,
you're allowed to have your own opinion. You're allowed to
be wrong. I'm kidding. You're allowed to have your own opinion.
Here's mine. I maybe this is me really becoming a
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full time, you know, mentally more of a coach. Okay,
so this may I'm guessing again. Jason and I haven't
discussed this because I was waiting to get out of
here discuss it. Maybe this is me really kind of
accepting that I'm a coach and I have to see
things differently. But I know James Franklin has a bad
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record against ranked teams. I'm fully, fully aware. None of
this is a surprise to me. I followed college football.
I know him a little bit. I wouldn't say we're
friends or even friendly, but I know him. I watched him.
I went to the Rose Bowl a couple of years
ago and watched his team win, et cetera, et cetera.
(35:50):
But I walked away from last night, right, Actually I
guess I walked away, but I wasn't at the game,
so they walk away. I turned off the TV and
there was a portion of that was like, are we
really going to Are people really going to be critical
of James Franklin for losing another big game? When I
watched last night, and I'm hard pressed to point the
(36:13):
finger at James Franklin right like again, a play call here,
play call there. I guess you could be critical of
them trying to score with a tie game late, but
even their process of that was the right one, where
they ran the ball on first down, got a fifteen
yard game and only then did they decide to throw it,
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and the quarterback made a horrendous decision when his first
and second read wasn't open. I am not one of
these people that likes participation trophies or things that everybody
wins in any game. I vehemently disagreed with. Was it
Joe Biden who said both LSU who beat Iowa and
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Iowa should attend the White House two years ago after
the National Championship game. No, I did not say that.
I do not believe that. But I clicked off the
TV last night, and I felt like Marcus Freeman lived
up to the billing as I thought he would of
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being somebody that makes Notre Dame him incredibly likable. He
just does. He makes Notre Dame likable. And I didn't
think James Franklin lost last night, even though his team lost.
I don't know if that makes sense. So I walk
(37:41):
away thinking of the hell of football game and somebody
did in fact have to win, and somebody did in
fact have to lose. And I gotta tell you, I
struggled to find any sort of blame to lay at
the feet of James Franklin. Is that wrong, Sam? You've
watched a ton of Big ten football? Is that wrong?
Speaker 7 (38:04):
I really thought, you know this, Yeah, I thought that
James Franklin had his team ready to go.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I thought that that was a big game.
Speaker 7 (38:10):
And I know he lost, but honestly, they kept, you know, pulling,
they kept punching back and fighting back. And I'm not
gonna say I saw a lot of memes after that game,
you know, the big game meet stuff, and I just
didn't feel that. I thought that they were just as
competitive as Notre Dame. And yes, that that final drive
of theirs was a mess, but honestly, they they could
(38:32):
easily be in the National championship game right now.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Damn what about you? I mean, like, listen, we can
easily be harshly critical of people, but I struggle on
this one to go like, yeah, James Franklin, his team choked,
Like I don't know, it's a great football game. I
mean Notre Dame couldn't move the ball at all, except
for you know, two guys fell down on their last touchdown.
(38:58):
I mean they could not protect could not protect the
quarterback at all. It was ugly. Penn State's defense got
after it. It was like Penn State's offense was great,
but they could run the football some. It's twenty four
all game and a quarterback who I don't think he
played particularly well. I thought I got bailed out on
at least one of those two defensive penalties on interceptions.
But he makes a bad decision, throws the interception. Nore
(39:20):
Dame does just enough to get themselves in the field
goal range and they make a field goal.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I just say, the numbers don't lie. They can lie.
At Vanderbilt, you can play a top ten team, a
top five team and not win when you're coaching at Vanderbilt.
But at Penn State, at some point you have to
get over that hump. And the hump isn't just necessarily
a top ten team. Specifically, it is Ohio State, it
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is Michigan, it is Notre Dame. It's those brands and
those names and those numbers that matter four against top
ten opponents, one in fifteen at Penn State against top
five opponents, one in eighteen in his career. That's why
(40:10):
I even take the Vanderbilt stuff out of it. Doug
they I know it was a coin flip last night,
but last night's the opportunity to do it. I don't
know why they're throwing the ball, to be honest with you,
considering the point that you laid out about their defense
and getting after it and what they could do to
put the ball in harm's way. I don't know whose
decision that was. And drew Heller through the interception, and
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then their defense couldn't stop notre name on the ensuing
set of downs to get them in the field goal range.
But these numbers don't lie. And I get it that
they're in it, and I get it that they're teams
in the semi final and they're there to the end
and players need to make plays. But maybe this is
a game they should have won by ten. Maybe this
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is a game they should have won by fourteen. And
I think that's the problem with James Franklin.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
H here's Greg McElroy right before that interception.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I'm aggressive. I mean, I got two timeouts.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I feel like the momentum has been.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Back and forth. Quarterback for the most part all season.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
A long his whole career, drew allers, made good decisions.
He's got fifty plus touchdowns, only nine career interceptions. He's
not likely a guy that's gonna put the ball in
Har's way.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
I trust him, I think you do it.
Speaker 8 (41:26):
And I would empower him in this situation to drive
him down the field for a game when.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
He feels goal. Yeah, I just you know words that
you'll you'll eat. And again here's.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Another one, Doug though in the game, there's a whole
another McIlroy conversation.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
But sorry, go ahead, now, go ahead, you can finish.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
He was talking about Notre Dame shouldn't score a touchdown
on their drive with like twenty What are you talking
about just taking knee and get the field. Yeah, college kickers,
that's exactly who we want to rely on.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Notre Dame. It's really struggled kicking the ball all year.
They had the lowest field goal conversion percentage of any
team in Indivision One football.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Oh man, oh yeah, that was a that was a
I don't think McRoy had a great night there, No,
but that he's not he's not the biggest issue.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
But no, but again, okay, so let's let's let's have
a little bit of the conversation. Okay, they they did
force a little bit of the I mean this I've said,
and I know there are people in the media that
pretend like it's not a big thing. It's a gigantic
thing that Marcus Freeman is the first black head coach
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to coach for national championship. It's a big thing. I
just again, there's a time and a place where do
we have to wedget in on a game winning drive
that ends in a field goal? Like? Is that is
that really the place?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Like?
Speaker 1 (42:49):
No? Not really, you don't need to mention it. Yeah,
I I do. I thought, and I know McElroy has
he's not he's not like he's twenty five, But how
was he early thirties? He has not been doing this
a long time, And I thought he showed his inexperience there.
But here's what it showed to me. And this again
is me learning as being a coach. You know, everyone
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who sits at home or sits on a sideline and
calls games, we all think aggressive, aggressive, aggressive, aggressive, and
even in the you know, even people who were critical
of the prevent defense. You know, prevent defense prevents you
from winning games. Whatever, do you think these coaches would
do it if they didn't think it worked. It wasn't
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time tested, and I'll give I'll tell you, like my
own experience and with my team, I thought coming to
the year, granted we have a major injury. Nation's leading
scorer is still injured, so we're going to be different.
But even preceding that, you know, we were a top
one hundred and twenty offense. But it doesn't matter if
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you can't stop any but you can't rebound. And we
found that, you know, our studies showed that second half
we were getting beaten badly on the boards, and we
were struggling with fatigue. And it was in the second
half and we kind of figured, hey, we're playing too
fast and running ourselves out of a lead. Now we
had a ten point lead against Northern Kentucky and there
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was a bunch of reasons we end up losing that
game and then up being eighteen. It was a nine
point game, kid Big banging in three get threes at
the end of the game. But you know, and we
can blame the officiating all we want, but the truth
is that we still have some of the same issues
that persist. But what's fascinating to me is that McElroy
feels like so many of us when we're young, and
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we just think offense, offense, offense, offense, or we think
maybe it's as easy offensively as it was for McIlroy
when he was at Alabama, and it's not that fast now.
It's not that easy now, just not anyway, Notre Dame winning.
So your thing is James Frankly as a choker.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Number. You were giving them a pass for last night,
and listen, you're writing terms of numbers.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
And maybe that's the thing. Maybe it's situational, maybe it's confidence.
I don't know. I do know the hardest it's hard
to teach kids how to win big games and they
haven't won big games.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Here's here's what's interesting is and this is why I
think this is the indictment on James Franklin. Even if
you don't say that they're better than Notre Dame last night,
you can't say that they were worse or are a
worst team entering that game. At worst, you're saying that
they're just too evenly matched teams, and so at least
at some point, if you're flipping a coin, you do
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it ten times, it's at least gonna come up heads
a couple of those times if its tails every other time,
he can't win a coin flip. So that doesn't tell
me that it's just bad luck there right now. He
just he's it's he's part of the problem on why
they can't get over this hump and that interception what
led up to it previously was a thirteen yard run
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on first and ten from the fifteen yard line, So
that tells me you were willing to run the football,
see what you can get. But then you get out
to the twenty eight yard line and you're ready to
play press your luck Like that's just no, like if
it would.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Have been you don't think that's the right decision.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
No, not at all, not in that I just because
I college quarterbacks two defenses with their strengths. I'm not
a Drew Aller fan, and I know that McElroy praised
him keeping control of the football. He threw for one
hundred and thirty two yards last night. It's not like
he was throwing the pill all over the place. Like,
your best bet is to stop them on defense, make
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him kick a field goal in overtime, and then you
score the touchdown and not go seventy yards and or
fifty yards and thirty seconds against that defense. That's just
my problem with it. If they would have got two
yards on first down, they just run out the clock
or figure out a way to try to work some
clock in that scenario.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
So gottlieb show here on Fox Sports trailer, that's the
voice of Dan Bayer. Was a good football game? And
how much of it? Until I mentioned it, did any
of you guys think about how bad those first two rounds
of football games were?
Speaker 2 (47:15):
No, not at all, not at all?
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Right, Like if you polled people today like college trouble
playof Oh, it's awesome. This is the greatest thing ever.
Notre Dame Penn say like, yeah, hey, what about Penn State?
SMU Like I don't even remember that game? Did that happen?
What about Notre Dame Indiana? What about you know, Ohio State, Tennessee?
Like Nope, don't remember any of it. All we remember
is what we saw last Nay, that's it. That's it.
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So Notre Dame advances and they will take the take
on the winner of Texas and Ohio State. Texas and
Ohio State. Wow, that's gonna be great. Here's Marcus Freeman
after the game when he was asked about being the
first black an Asian head coach to take his team
to a national championship game.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Is honor and I hope all coaches minorities, black, Asian, white,
then matter. Great people continue to get opportunities to lead
young men like this.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Good. Yes, I you know, Marcus Freeman makes Notre Dame likable.
These do Forever, Notre Dame had been seen as arrogant
and entitled, and he makes them likable and honorable. And
that's a that's a hell of a job in changing perception.
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Com Studios. And this this is a weird day, right
You'd think you would think that January seventh, when one
of us is in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and three of
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us are in Sherman Oaks, California. If weather was an issue.
Common logic would tell you snowstorm, ice storm, Green Bay, Wisconsin, right,
But that's not where the weather issue is. It's actually
right outside the doors of Fox Sports Radio, you guys, everything, okay,
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Because I know where, like Dan, where you live, that's
usually a really windy area. I don't think it's the
main focus today. I don't know. I think it's actually
right where studio is and in the Palisades and in Malibu,
et cetera. Everybody safe, okay today at home?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yes, we are all safe. There. Multimillion dollar homes are
in danger just across the hill from where we are.
But the fire is close, but it's not going to
come by us. But yeah, some crazy scenes close by.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, yeah, it looks bad. It's the old Santa Ana
wins and it's really really bad. Okay. I was I
was prepping for today's show, and I was doing a
bunch of reading, and I was trying to figure out, like,
what's what's the what's the main topic. I do want
to talk to what happens to Mike McCarthy, But I
(02:23):
I just kind of think we're in this same place
in the AFC and we've been here for a while
and maybe this is a year Dan byer A, Jason
Stewart where we break through in and we have some
change this week in football from Thursday on football football,
foot buffotaf football football, right, because Thursday you have Notre
Dame Penn State that'll do a huge number. Friday you
(02:47):
have Ohio State, Texas the Cotton Bowl not actually played
in the Cotton Bowl, which is weird on Friday night.
Then Saturday you have the two you have the two
wild card games in the AFC. You have the Chargers
taken on Houston and Pittsburgh Baltimore. What a great game.
(03:08):
And then Sunday you have three games Denver, Buffalo, Washington, Tampa,
Green Bay, Philadelphia. Again, I may be speaking out of turn.
I may not have the pulse of America, but I
think I do on this one. I agree with Jason
Stewart in that the quality of play this year in
the NFL wasn't particularly good. I would agree with anyone
(03:30):
who says that it feels like this has got to
be the year if you're going to get the Chiefs,
this is the year to get the Chiefs. And if
there's a year in which Baltimore can win, it This
has got to be it. If there's a year that
Buffalo could win it, this has got to be it.
But they both have to do it in Kansas City,
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and both have failed previously in the playoffs in Kansas City.
So I guess my question to you guys, is, isn't
that the story of this whole thing? Isn't that the
story of the whole thing? Which is Ken Buffalo or
Baltimore or anybody finally take out Kansas City the AFC.
(04:12):
That to me is the Pat Mahomes has played in
the AFC Championship Game or Super Bowl every year he's
been a starting quarterback. Amazing, amazing. They of course get
to buy it makes it easier for them to get there.
Still not easy to get there, but you only have
to win one game to get to the AFC Championship
Game and then of course to a super Bowl. Both
(04:35):
would be both the games to be at home for
the Super Bowls in New Orleans. But I guess, Jay
Stu Dampyre, Dan, isn't that the whole story of the playoffs? Like?
Are there many stories? Yeah? Yeah? I mean what happened
to CJ. Stroud and Kenny get it back in the playoffs.
I mean, you talk about the emergence of the Chargers,
(04:56):
and I do think they'll be competitive in these playoffs.
I would pick the to beat Houston. You know, you
have Pittsburgh and no one is scared of Russell Wilson.
But should we be You go to the NFC and
you got the dysfunction within Philadelphia. But obviously it doesn't
feel like it would be a stretch to see them
getting there. Obviously, Detroit never having been to a super
(05:20):
Bowl and having home field advantage route is a big story.
I'm not trying to undersell that. Minnesota doing it with
yet another what felt like perennial backup quarterback in Sam Darnold. Right,
we were here a couple of years ago with case Keenum.
Don't get me wrong, these are good stories. But the
story of the playoffs is Buffalo and Baltimore and Kansas
(05:42):
City and Kent. Buffalo or Baltimore take down Kansasity and
get the Super Bowl the EFC. Isn't that it?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I actually disagree. Okay, God, I think it's a smaller story.
But I would actually say that last year that was
the story because the Chiefs finally were playing road games
and they had to go to Buffalo, they won, and
then they had to go to Baltimore and they still
won again. And well, I think that the Chiefs three
peat is an obvious story and has been throughout this season.
(06:10):
I actually think it is the Lions and how it's
set up for the Lions, and really on how for
the Lions over the last couple of weeks or last
couple of days, things have turned in their fortune. We
just had in my report at the top of the
hour David Montgomery should be back for the divisional playoff round.
(06:32):
That was a big blow to the team. Terry and Arnold,
who was injured in Week eighteen against the Vikings, is
considered day to day. But this is Detroit who has
never been to a super Bowl, and they now have
home field advantage throughout the number one seed in a
season where again, and I tweeted yesterday, I've had are
we sure that Ben Johnson's gonna want to leave for
(06:54):
any of the available openings right now? Because I think
that these openings are actually less appealing than some of
the ones that were there last year that he didn't
want to take. So I don't know if Ben Johnson
will leave to become a head coach considering what is
out there right now in the NFL. But we also
think Aaron Glenn maybe on the move. He could maybe
be the next head coach of the Saints, going back
(07:14):
to the team that he played for. So it's not
that this is the last hurrah for Detroit, but it's
the last situation where this formation of this team is
all together and now they have home field advantage and
it's set up for him after a fifteen to two season.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So you make a very compelling case. You make a
really compelling case. And here's what I would say, You're
probably right. In the NFC, You're probably right. And to
add to your point, it's people never do what Ben
Johnson did. They just don't, right. Do they turn down jobs, yes,
(07:50):
do they turn down jobs, you know, to remain a
street Yeah. But he hasn't been a head coach, so
he's never And like, look, one of the things that's
a great misconception or just a misunderstanding. Coordinators make a
lot of money in the NFL, right, those are well
into seven figure jobs. So it's not like he's going
to go from a couple hundred gand a year to
(08:11):
six seven million a year as a head coach. But
I mean for a guy who's never been a head
coach to turn down head coaching opportunities last year and
then for it all to work out. How many times
do we see the guy the kid in college comes
back for one more year, it's a disaster. The pro
comes back for one more year, it's a disaster. The
coach comes back for one more year, it's a disaster.
(08:33):
Hasn't been the case in Detroit. Hasn't been the case.
But Mike, I still believe that in totality of you know,
like we're talking about Detroit in one franchise. I don't know.
I just feel like Kansas City's dominance in the AFC
(08:54):
Buffalo's regular season, like they know they can beat him,
but that thirteen seconds three years ago got to come
back to huntum And how many times are we gonna
give Lamar Jackson the MVP and his team not do
anything in the playoffs. So I'm with you in the NFC,
JA Stu, you'd be the deciding factor. What do you
(09:15):
think is the bigger story?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
So just to I want to be clear here, you
think that the biggest story is three stories? The Bills
Ravens and Chiefs. Dan thinks the biggest story is the Lions. Uh,
let me let me be the Black Eyed Peas and
I'll meet you halfway.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Thank you, Thanks for that, Ryan.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
The Bills, the Bills are the most intriguing story in
the AFC for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I think I said before.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
The season that the the most compelling story all season
is whether or not the Chiefs could three pe We've
never seen one in our lifetime. I'm rooting for it.
But the Bills are the story going in because I
think they have the best shot at dethroning the chief
I don't know if that answers the question, but I
like the Bill's story going on.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Well, I he Dan, can I can I add to
the Bills thing about it's not just about this generation,
because our generation of adults. I'm talking to Jason, I'm
talking to Dan. So if you're anywhere from probably early
forties to mid fifties, that's a good chunk of people. Okay.
(10:28):
We know the Bills as the only team to make
the Super Bowl four years in a row and not
win it, and then when you factor in how good
they've been with Josh Allen and never to get by
Kansas City in the playoffs. Is still I think that
adds to it. I think that adds to it.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Reil. The only thing I would say to that is, yes,
I understand, but our generation also just knows the Lions
history and where they've been and this is a this
is now in a spot where they've never been before.
They had been to an NFC Championship game, granted it
was thirty years prior with Barry Sanders against Washington, but
(11:12):
then last year they come with basically within a quarter
and of making it to the Super Bowl and decisions
that were made, and if they don't get it done here,
then you start to wonder, Okay, is this just the Lions?
Is this just them that getting close and they're not
going to be able to cash in and that's why
they're always the Lions. I think that that story creeps in.
(11:35):
Whereas the Bills and the Ravens and the Chiefs for
that matter, I mean, the Bills beat the Chiefs earlier
this season, is one of their two losses on the year.
I actually think the Ravens have the best chance to
actually go to the Super Bowl. I think if Baltimore
gets a chance to play in Kansas City. Baltimore will
win that game. And so Jason is right in where
he's staying where he felt the Chiefs throughout the season.
(11:59):
But I also feel that we aren't talking about that,
and I think that's what he's saying as well, that
while he felt that that was the story throughout the year,
entering these playoffs, the Chiefs aren't necessarily the conversation right now.
He feels it's Buffalo. I guarantee there's a group that
feels that it's Baltimore and that Baltimore is ready to
knock on the door because they were a tonail away
from beating the Chiefs in Week one, and they were
(12:20):
able to dominate the Bills in the regular season, and
now you have Derrick Henry. So if not now when
And your point about Lamar Jackson, Yeah, I think that's fair.
But I think ultimately all those three teams need each
other as part of the story where it's the Lions
and it's the Lions only in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Okay, I agree with you on the Lions. I don't
know if the Lions only, like the Donald story is
still big, right the Eagles and their dysfunction, and also
you know, like is Jalen Hurt's going to play this weekend?
And how amazing it would it be for Green Bay
if they go one to five in Division nearly oh
(13:04):
and six in Division? Right, they don't block the kick
of the Bears in Chicago and yet they win this weekend,
Like that's a team town enough to win. But I
would agree with you, like in totality, Lions potentially go
into Super Bowl, how close they were, Dan Campbell, all
those things. The issue I would have with your Baltimore
(13:25):
wins that thing is like what do we have as
a record to tell us that Baltimore can ever beat
Kansas City with Lamar Jackson a quarterback? As much as
I agree they should, The same thing could be said
for Buffalo, But at least Buffalo has in regular season
(13:46):
and up until the last thirteen seconds of a playoff game,
they have beaten Kansas City. Baltimore hasn't done it. I
don't have they ever won that game. I don't think
they have. I think they've come close several times. But
it's like, of all the teams that own Lamar, no
one owns him as much as Kansas City, And I
(14:10):
just how many times is this his third MVP.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
He's gonna win a second well, this would be if
he wins, it would be his third. But I don't
think he's gonna win it.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I think it'll be pretty close. Theyink it'd be pretty close.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Mahomes is four and one had to head against Lamar Jos.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I just I don't know. Again, I'm trying to get
it's weird because the I thought the last game was
a great, intriguing, fun ball game, right, But there's so
many of these teams that are so very average and
not capable. And the thing about the AFC is it's
(14:47):
like everyone thinks this is the year you can get
Kansas City, and yet really, I know they lost Game seventeen,
but really only one team got him, and I think
that's the story of the playoffs. I agree with you Dan,
the NFC, it's the Lions in the AFC, and overall, gosh,
I gotta think it's those other ones. All right. I
have a question for you guys to ponder as we'll
(15:09):
get back to. We'll get to sports up coming next,
but daylight Savings may be going away. Why did daylight
savings become a thing and why are we so bothered
by daylight savings. I have to have these questions answered
by you, guys.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
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We're getting you ready for the Orange Bowl, which is
also the national semifinal for the first ever true college
(15:52):
froball playoff. And we're excited to talk about the game
because we have, honestly, I would say three really big
college fooball fans on the show, and Jason wuldn't even
dispute that, right, Sam, Dan Byer, and myself gigantic college
football fans. And the thing that's also unique is you
have Dan is a Wisconsin from the state of Wisconsin,
(16:15):
huge Ohia State fan, and Sam is an Iowa guy
but a huge Big Ten fan. And of course I
went to the Dame for a year, not a big fan,
but live in Big Ten country. And so you have
guys like look nationally it could be hard to cover
some teams that you don't pay a ton of attention to.
These just so happens to be teams that we pay
(16:35):
a ton of attention to. So we'll pay some attention
to him this hour. One of my favorite things is
a game or a segment I guess that Jase Dou
has come up with and look, full disclosure, I know
that jayse Dou really wants to get to the FMDJ
element of this where he gets to talk about the
hot songs from the given year. But we do this
(16:56):
kind of as a tip of the cap where maybe
even kind of a sneer at the idea of throwback Thursday,
and we call it. Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
All right there, jay Stu, what's the year that we're
not calling it a throwback Thursday?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
For Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. I
was going through some matchups of Penn State and Notre Dame.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Note over the years, Johnny Jack, they played each other
in nineteen ninety. Yes, so think about nineteen ninety. Think
about where you were, what you were doing, and what
happened in sports and otherwise in that game, particularly Notre
Dame and Penn State were both very highly ranked and
(17:50):
they played each other and it was a really good game.
And I guess what ended up happening in that college
football year was that there was another sport championship, right
it was? Was it Georgia Tech and Colorado sharing a
national championship? Ty Dettmer won the Heisman Trophy. Man those
(18:13):
awards were all over the Mountain time zone. I'm just
noted that I wonder if they refer to nineteen ninety
as the year of the Mountain time Zone. Colorado shares
a national championship. Ty Deptmer wins the Heisman Trophy. Wonderful
year for college football, Dan, anything that strikes out to
you football wise from nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You know, it was a crazy year in the NFL,
but it was really the year where the Dallas Cowboys
kind of started to turn around and become the Dallas Cowboys.
In that nineteen ninety draft, that they were able to
select EMMITTT. Smith, But what was maybe most intriguing was
they didn't have the number one overall pick that year
despite going one in fifteen the previous season. And that's
(18:57):
because in the summer prior in the supplemental after they
took Steve Walsh from Miami. So it was so the
Cowboys didn't necessarily turn things around right when Troy Aikman
came there, because Jimmy Johnson didn't really maybe want Troy
Aikman right away. It was Steve Walsh. But in nineteen
ninety it was the start of the Cowboys turnaround. They
(19:18):
ended up being seven and nine that season. That was
the Super Bowl that ended up having the Giants and Bills.
But the season Phil Simms got hurt, so Jeff Hostetler
ended up taking over. I remember that from nineteen ninety.
In the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Well, you mentioned Notre Dame. In nineteen ninety, rick My
Verver was their quarterback. They had Rocket Ishmael, Ricky Waters,
Tony Brooks. I mean, like, think about the running back room.
(19:53):
Rocket Ishma was actually listed as a running back. They
had Ricky Waters, Jerome Bettis and and Dorsey Levins all
in the same backfield.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
What that year, Yes, yes, holy crap.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yes, dudes, right when Notre Dame was awesome, they had dudes.
Just don't't forget that.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
That was also the year the fifth down with Colorado
and Missouri.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Missouri allowed Missouri.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
A lot of crazy stuff with Missouri because it gives
me the opportunity to correct myself. So Nebraska was the
consensus national champion in nineteen ninety four. Penn State was
tab national championships by some outlets, but is not recognized
as the consensus national championship.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
What has that been recognized?
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Like?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I know you? What I know you? I don't recognize you?
What are the national champions?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Like?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
NAH, Coaches, Poll, Associated Press, they all had Nebraska number one.
Other other outlets sagain other one had Penn State number
one in that ninety four season, But in ninety seven
it was Nebraska and Michigan were co champions. And remember
Nebraska had the crazy kick play against Missouri to score
a touchdown late well seven years prior. Colorado got that
(21:10):
same fortune, except with an extra down in their matchup
against Missouri that would have derailed their national championship hopes.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I have kind of a weird nineteen ninety story for
you guys. I spent both eighty nine ninety and ninety
ninety one all in eighth grade. Wo I repeated eighth grade,
So eighty nine ninety was at Santiago Middle School, where
ironically my son just finished middle school last year. And
(21:40):
ninety ninety one was at Yorba Middle School, which is
at the other side of Orange. And I had to
take a public bus to and from to and from
school and now on Chapman Avenue, Chapman Avenue, Tustin Avenue
to go down and get off and walk up blocks
to Yorda Middle School. There you go. I was Santana
(22:01):
and then I was at Terrero Terrero, Santana, and then
at Terrero.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
And just up the fifty seven freeway. I was graduating
from high school. But before with.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Linda High School with with Kevin Walker, Kevin Walker.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Keith, Keith Walketh, Kevin's younger brother. Yeah google him. They
were good. But before I graduated from high school, Mike.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Tyson lost his heavyweight championship to bust for Douglas. And
I think it's we always talk about these things that
that happened where you knew, you know, where you were.
I think that was one of the things in sports.
I don't know how young y'all were, but I remember
distinctly being on a skiing trip in Big Bear and uh,
(22:46):
we got news that that the that Tyson lost, and
at that point that was such big news because he
seemed unbeatable.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Uh yeah, but it was. It was in Japan, and
I remember either waking up to it was like late
at night. I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, I remember it was a Saturday. It was a
Saturday night, I think it was.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
It was. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I don't remember anybody actually watching the fight. No, I
just remember the news of it. However, we got.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
News Sports Center, maybe Breaking In or FNN back when
they used to do sports on the weekends, the Financial
News Network.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, CNN Sports right as we were when CNN did sports.
That Dan pass was the CNN Sports nineteen. Fred Hickman Hickdog, Hicckdog,
Hickdog passed away.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah. Yeah. And Nick Charles has left us a while
ago as well.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, he was Hickdog was called when he remember he
was at ESPN for a very brief stint, and his
nickname was the sick Dog because he always called in.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Sick wow, sick dog.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah. This has had nothing new with the health issues
that led to his death.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
It was the Iowa Sam of ESPN.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Okay, come on, yeah, getting over COVID and it was
not fun. So had to call out sick. No one
wants COVID around here.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Do you guys want to hear about the year in golf?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Not really right, want to hear about that? I'm not
saying ninety.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
It was the year of Nick Faldo, who not only
won the Masters in April by beating Ray Floyd in
a playoff at Augusta National, backed it up with a
win at the Open Championship. But most notably, probably from
the nineteen ninety year in golf, we all remember the
lap around eighteen at Madina Hale Irwin making that long
(24:41):
putt on the eighteenth oh yeah, and then giving the
fans the high five, high five, yeah, yep. Ended up
beating Mike Donald the.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Next Donald, Yes, Yes, in an.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Eighteen whole Playoffs playoff high five. One of the lasting
images of nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I had no idea the Reds won the World Series.
Was that Chris Sabo Joserio Jose Ario. But it was
Chris Sable on the team.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Was on that team. Pello was the manager. Eric Davis
was on that team.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
You know Eric Davis, what a great like He was
like the last or one of the last like great
athletes before these new this new generation of.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Paul O'Neil, Todd Benzinger.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, Eric Davis just his timing mechanism, cocking that bat
come all the way down to his waist and high
knee kick. And then Chris Sable had the Rex Specs.
When I think of Loop Andel, I think, if there's
ever been a guy that represents a manager's baseball body,
it's Loopanella, right.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And it was sad that he wore like full uniform.
I never understood why managers were made to wear uniforms,
but he really didn't. The uniform did not fit the
order he got, no it fit.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
He's just fat, that's all it was. I mean, he
just he had little table stick legs and a big
old belly, and he looked like he'd be a good
guy to drink beer with, which is kind of what
a manager is supposed to be.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
Like he's apple on a stick, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
In the NBA Playoffs, in NBA Finals, the Portland Trailblazers
met the Detroit Pistons in Portland actually won game two,
Team two this series even in the series at one apiece.
They went to Portland and then Detroit won three straight.
Vinnie Johnson clutch basket. The end of Game five wrapped
(26:22):
up the championship for the Pistons as they went back
to back.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Let me see how I can do. Let me see
how I do with the Portland Trailblazers starting lineup. Okay,
Dan Kevin Duckworth rip as their center. Yes, they had,
I mean Terry Porter was their point guard quite obviously,
Clyde Drexler, yes, Oh, their two guard, Jerome Cursey was there. Three.
(26:52):
And then their power forward, oh man, like all time
power forward named Buck Williams.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, I think that was Yeah, I think I think
he was on that team. I know they had swung
a deal with the New Jersey Nets to bring him in.
I think it was that season.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Off the I want to say, Danny Ainge off the bench.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, Johnson Petrovich I believe was a part of that
team as well.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
And did they upset the Lakers in the Western Conference
Conference finals, because the Wakers had won two straight up
to that point, right, I.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Know this second? Yeah, the Lakers had won two and
then they lost to the Pistons the year before. This
was the second of the Pistons back to back, right,
and then the next year the Bulls started their three peaks.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
And the next year Portland lost to the Lakers. Yes,
and then Portland ended up making it back in nineteen
ninety nineteen ninety two and losening to the Bulls in
that season. But yes, yeah, I believe it was Buck Williams.
I do. I talked about this on the show, but
I had the poster of Terry Porter, Jerome Kersey and
(27:59):
Buck william It was like them starting a fast break.
It was black and white and the full white background
and all it said was oh and it was really
really yeah, really really cool.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Terry Porter, Wisconsin. Stevens point. Okay, the Pistons starting lineup,
Zeke Joe doo bars and did they did they start
Rodman or did they start?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I thought He's was still coming off the bench, but.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, and then they had who they traded from Mark
Guire for what's his name?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
They traded uh, Adrian Dantley.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Adrian Danty for Mark Wire, said Markguire. And then they
had what Mahorne and Lambier.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yep, Sally, yeah, did you mention John Sally?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I thought John's how I came with the bench right
with Dennis.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Robin and Vinnie Johnson a microwave.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Microwave, Yeah, because he's.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Would he be the air fire now or were you
still be a micro I'm just asking because I love
my Airfire. I just want you to know. If there's
any sponsors out there that want a sponsor with airfire,
I have one that's really good. I mean it's an
airfire fried chicken today for lunch.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Nineteen ninety was maybe my favorite Final four as a kid.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Ooh, that's someone in Denver. That is the one in Denver,
Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yes, with you know me, the Weapon three, The Weapon three,
Kenny Anderson, Brian Oliver, Dennis Scott. But it also featured
Arkansas and the young Lee Mayberry and Todd Day led
team who.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Ultimately would win a national championship in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Except with those not those participants Todd Dan Lee Mayberry
were off to the NBA.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Was Scotty Scotty s Thurman and Courts Robinson. I'm wrong,
You're right, I'm wrong. Good Final four.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, really good Final four.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I watched a retrospective on that Final four and the
Stacey Augman.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
He would always be wearing.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
A go walk man when he would do the warm
ups and stuff, and then as walkman, he says he
always played this song. This is hold On by Wilson Phillips.
It charted for thirty straight weeks on the Billboard Charts.
Really their only, their only relevant single. I think they
(30:19):
tried to do some other songs. Dan probably knows the
secondary songs. But I remember this one release me. I
remember how hot?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Uh hold on to one more day?
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Who Phillips China Phillips. Oh, still looking good these days?
Married to Billy Baldwin.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Really yeah, who is in that catchy tune?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
And really it's universal.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Just hold on for one more you know, hold on,
just hold on like Dan Bayer before Dan Byer said it.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, it was about to say hold on.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Do you guys know? Nineteen ninety was the year I decided,
but I want to become a college basketball player and maybe.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Perfect transition, Doug, because I wanted to get back to
college basketball hood. Hold On.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
That was the year that Hank Gathers died and the
first game back, uh, they didn't play the championship game
of the WCC and it was at Long Beach Arena.
I knew Long Beacherina well because my dad was an
assistant Lomby State, Longyiterian's right next to the Queen Mary
and I'll never forget walked into the building and the
entire place was adorned with maroon and baby blue forty
(31:28):
four signs hanked the bank. They played New Mexico State,
coached by Lou Henson, in the first round, and midway
through the first half, Bo Kimball's best friend was fouled
and he stepped the line to shoot a free throw,
and Hank Gathers had started shooting his free throws left
handed because he couldn't make him right handed start shooting
(31:48):
better percentage. So as a tip of the cap to
his late friend, he shot left handed, made it three dribbles,
right hand switch. She was left hand, made it holds
forty four up to the sky, and there wasn't a
dry eye in the place, and I was like, this
is what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
It was also while it was an emotional time, it
was also the emergence of the Connecticut basketball program. Sure
a number one seed, and if you remember, Connecticut upset
Eldon Campbell and Clemson in the Sweet sixteen on a
baseball type pass to taint George.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Hey George in New Jersey. The old was a Continental
Airlines arena at that time.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Last Meadowlands, right, Yes, I think it was Scotty Burrell
throw on that pass. So Scotty Burrell throws in that pass,
only to have a two nights later, Christian Lightner start
to add to his lore as Duke ended up knocking
off Yukon with a Latner's own buzzer beater of his own,
as Duke ended up going to that final four. Going back, Okay,
(32:47):
I was just going to say, going back to the
region you talked about. Ohio State was in that West
region and played UNLV who played Loyal and Mary Mount
in the regional final. Moving on, Ohio State needed overtime
to beat Providence by Eric Murdoch and Carlton's screen. That
Providence team was coached by Rick Barnes Alex Davis. He
had a three with three seconds left to tied at
(33:08):
the end of regulation. Then the Buck guys wanted in overtime,
gave the Rebels a little bit of run for their money,
but just couldn't keep up to the aforementioned Stacy Augman
and the running reps.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
We got to go, but we can't. We can't go
without mentioning the movies that year, I have them Home Alone,
Teenage Meeting, Ninja, Turtles, Good Fellas, I'm Gonna get the papers,
Get the Papers. Ghost was the number one.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Movie internationally and domestically it was Home Alone.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Pretty Woman, Hollywood Baby, What's your Dream? Forty eight hours?
I mean, you want to talk about all time year
for movies total recall onlold Swartzenega nineteen ninety was, what
a year in movies?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You in danger girl?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
What in absolutely that is? Don't call it a throwback Thursday?
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Don't call it a throwback.
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So way tire buying should be? What a football game?
(34:38):
What a football game? And you know what's interesting about
last night's Notre Dame win over Penn State. And look,
you're allowed to have your own opinion. You're allowed to
be wrong. I'm kidding. You're allowed to have your own opinion.
Here's mine. I maybe this is me really becoming a
(35:03):
full time, you know, mentally more of a coach. Okay,
so this may I'm guessing again. Jason and I haven't
discussed this because I was waiting to get out of
here discuss it. Maybe this is me really kind of
accepting that I'm a coach and I have to see
things differently. But I know James Franklin has a bad
(35:27):
record against ranked teams. I'm fully, fully aware. None of
this is a surprise to me. I followed college football.
I know him a little bit. I wouldn't say we're
friends or even friendly, but I know him. I watched him.
I went to the Rose Bowl a couple of years
ago and watched his team win, et cetera, et cetera.
(35:50):
But I walked away from last night, right, Actually I
guess I walked away, but I wasn't at the game,
so they walk away. I turned off the TV and
there was a portion of that was like, are we
really going to Are people really going to be critical
of James Franklin for losing another big game? When I
watched last night, and I'm hard pressed to point the
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finger at James Franklin right like again, a play call here,
play call there. I guess you could be critical of
them trying to score with a tie game late, but
even their process of that was the right one, where
they ran the ball on first down, got a fifteen
yard game and only then did they decide to throw it,
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and the quarterback made a horrendous decision when his first
and second read wasn't open. I am not one of
these people that likes participation trophies or things that everybody
wins in any game. I vehemently disagreed with. Was it
Joe Biden who said both LSU who beat Iowa and
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Iowa should attend the White House two years ago after
the National Championship game. No, I did not say that.
I do not believe that. But I clicked off the
TV last night, and I felt like Marcus Freeman lived
up to the billing as I thought he would of
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being somebody that makes Notre Dame him incredibly likable. He
just does. He makes Notre Dame likable. And I didn't
think James Franklin lost last night, even though his team lost.
I don't know if that makes sense. So I walk
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away thinking of the hell of football game and somebody
did in fact have to win, and somebody did in
fact have to lose. And I gotta tell you, I
struggled to find any sort of blame to lay at
the feet of James Franklin. Is that wrong, Sam? You've
watched a ton of Big ten football? Is that wrong?
Speaker 7 (38:04):
I really thought, you know this, Yeah, I thought that
James Franklin had his team ready to go.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I thought that that was a big game.
Speaker 7 (38:10):
And I know he lost, but honestly, they kept, you know, pulling,
they kept punching back and fighting back. And I'm not
gonna say I saw a lot of memes after that game,
you know, the big game meet stuff, and I just
didn't feel that. I thought that they were just as
competitive as Notre Dame. And yes, that that final drive
of theirs was a mess, but honestly, they they could
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easily be in the National championship game right now.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Damn what about you? I mean, like, listen, we can
easily be harshly critical of people, but I struggle on
this one to go like, yeah, James Franklin, his team choked,
Like I don't know, it's a great football game. I
mean Notre Dame couldn't move the ball at all, except
for you know, two guys fell down on their last touchdown.
(38:58):
I mean they could not protect could not protect the
quarterback at all. It was ugly. Penn State's defense got
after it. It was like Penn State's offense was great,
but they could run the football some. It's twenty four
all game and a quarterback who I don't think he
played particularly well. I thought I got bailed out on
at least one of those two defensive penalties on interceptions.
But he makes a bad decision, throws the interception. Nore
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Dame does just enough to get themselves in the field
goal range and they make a field goal.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I just say, the numbers don't lie. They can lie.
At Vanderbilt, you can play a top ten team, a
top five team and not win when you're coaching at Vanderbilt.
But at Penn State, at some point you have to
get over that hump. And the hump isn't just necessarily
a top ten team. Specifically, it is Ohio State, it
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is Michigan, it is Notre Dame. It's those brands and
those names and those numbers that matter four against top
ten opponents, one in fifteen at Penn State against top
five opponents, one in eighteen in his career. That's why
(40:10):
I even take the Vanderbilt stuff out of it. Doug
they I know it was a coin flip last night,
but last night's the opportunity to do it. I don't
know why they're throwing the ball, to be honest with you,
considering the point that you laid out about their defense
and getting after it and what they could do to
put the ball in harm's way. I don't know whose
decision that was. And drew Heller through the interception, and
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then their defense couldn't stop notre name on the ensuing
set of downs to get them in the field goal range.
But these numbers don't lie. And I get it that
they're in it, and I get it that they're teams
in the semi final and they're there to the end
and players need to make plays. But maybe this is
a game they should have won by ten. Maybe this
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is a game they should have won by fourteen. And
I think that's the problem with James Franklin.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
H here's Greg McElroy right before that interception.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I'm aggressive. I mean, I got two timeouts.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I feel like the momentum has been.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Back and forth. Quarterback for the most part all season.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
A long his whole career, drew allers, made good decisions.
He's got fifty plus touchdowns, only nine career interceptions. He's
not likely a guy that's gonna put the ball in
Har's way.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
I trust him, I think you do it.
Speaker 8 (41:26):
And I would empower him in this situation to drive
him down the field for a game when.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
He feels goal. Yeah, I just you know words that
you'll you'll eat. And again here's.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Another one, Doug though in the game, there's a whole
another McIlroy conversation.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
But sorry, go ahead, now, go ahead, you can finish.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
He was talking about Notre Dame shouldn't score a touchdown
on their drive with like twenty What are you talking
about just taking knee and get the field. Yeah, college kickers,
that's exactly who we want to rely on.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Notre Dame. It's really struggled kicking the ball all year.
They had the lowest field goal conversion percentage of any
team in Indivision One football.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Oh man, oh yeah, that was a that was a
I don't think McRoy had a great night there, No,
but that he's not he's not the biggest issue.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
But no, but again, okay, so let's let's let's have
a little bit of the conversation. Okay, they they did
force a little bit of the I mean this I've said,
and I know there are people in the media that
pretend like it's not a big thing. It's a gigantic
thing that Marcus Freeman is the first black head coach
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to coach for national championship. It's a big thing. I
just again, there's a time and a place where do
we have to wedget in on a game winning drive
that ends in a field goal? Like? Is that is
that really the place?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Like?
Speaker 1 (42:49):
No? Not really, you don't need to mention it. Yeah,
I I do. I thought, and I know McElroy has
he's not he's not like he's twenty five, But how
was he early thirties? He has not been doing this
a long time, And I thought he showed his inexperience there.
But here's what it showed to me. And this again
is me learning as being a coach. You know, everyone
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who sits at home or sits on a sideline and
calls games, we all think aggressive, aggressive, aggressive, aggressive, and
even in the you know, even people who were critical
of the prevent defense. You know, prevent defense prevents you
from winning games. Whatever, do you think these coaches would
do it if they didn't think it worked. It wasn't
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time tested, and I'll give I'll tell you, like my
own experience and with my team, I thought coming to
the year, granted we have a major injury. Nation's leading
scorer is still injured, so we're going to be different.
But even preceding that, you know, we were a top
one hundred and twenty offense. But it doesn't matter if
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you can't stop any but you can't rebound. And we
found that, you know, our studies showed that second half
we were getting beaten badly on the boards, and we
were struggling with fatigue. And it was in the second
half and we kind of figured, hey, we're playing too
fast and running ourselves out of a lead. Now we
had a ten point lead against Northern Kentucky and there
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was a bunch of reasons we end up losing that
game and then up being eighteen. It was a nine
point game, kid Big banging in three get threes at
the end of the game. But you know, and we
can blame the officiating all we want, but the truth
is that we still have some of the same issues
that persist. But what's fascinating to me is that McElroy
feels like so many of us when we're young, and
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we just think offense, offense, offense, offense, or we think
maybe it's as easy offensively as it was for McIlroy
when he was at Alabama, and it's not that fast now.
It's not that easy now, just not anyway, Notre Dame winning.
So your thing is James Frankly as a choker.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Number. You were giving them a pass for last night,
and listen, you're writing terms of numbers.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
And maybe that's the thing. Maybe it's situational, maybe it's confidence.
I don't know. I do know the hardest it's hard
to teach kids how to win big games and they
haven't won big games.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Here's here's what's interesting is and this is why I
think this is the indictment on James Franklin. Even if
you don't say that they're better than Notre Dame last night,
you can't say that they were worse or are a
worst team entering that game. At worst, you're saying that
they're just too evenly matched teams, and so at least
at some point, if you're flipping a coin, you do
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it ten times, it's at least gonna come up heads
a couple of those times if its tails every other time,
he can't win a coin flip. So that doesn't tell
me that it's just bad luck there right now. He
just he's it's he's part of the problem on why
they can't get over this hump and that interception what
led up to it previously was a thirteen yard run
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on first and ten from the fifteen yard line, So
that tells me you were willing to run the football,
see what you can get. But then you get out
to the twenty eight yard line and you're ready to
play press your luck Like that's just no, like if
it would.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Have been you don't think that's the right decision.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
No, not at all, not in that I just because
I college quarterbacks two defenses with their strengths. I'm not
a Drew Aller fan, and I know that McElroy praised
him keeping control of the football. He threw for one
hundred and thirty two yards last night. It's not like
he was throwing the pill all over the place. Like,
your best bet is to stop them on defense, make
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him kick a field goal in overtime, and then you
score the touchdown and not go seventy yards and or
fifty yards and thirty seconds against that defense. That's just
my problem with it. If they would have got two
yards on first down, they just run out the clock
or figure out a way to try to work some
clock in that scenario.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
So gottlieb show here on Fox Sports trailer, that's the
voice of Dan Bayer. Was a good football game? And
how much of it? Until I mentioned it, did any
of you guys think about how bad those first two rounds
of football games were?
Speaker 2 (47:15):
No, not at all, not at all?
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Right, Like if you polled people today like college trouble
playof Oh, it's awesome. This is the greatest thing ever.
Notre Dame Penn say like, yeah, hey, what about Penn State?
SMU Like I don't even remember that game? Did that happen?
What about Notre Dame Indiana? What about you know, Ohio State, Tennessee?
Like Nope, don't remember any of it. All we remember
is what we saw last Nay, that's it. That's it.
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So Notre Dame advances and they will take the take
on the winner of Texas and Ohio State. Texas and
Ohio State. Wow, that's gonna be great. Here's Marcus Freeman
after the game when he was asked about being the
first black an Asian head coach to take his team
to a national championship game.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Is honor and I hope all coaches minorities, black, Asian, white,
then matter. Great people continue to get opportunities to lead
young men like this.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Good. Yes, I you know, Marcus Freeman makes Notre Dame likable.
These do Forever, Notre Dame had been seen as arrogant
and entitled, and he makes them likable and honorable. And
that's a that's a hell of a job in changing perception.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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