January 15, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the Cowboys' search for head coach and reacts to Micah Parsons about a "complete reset". Doug explains why it is not a big deal that there might be a conflict-of-interest when Tom Brady broadcasts the Lions game this weekend with coaching candidate Ben Johnson on the sidelines. Doug welcomes NFL and Raiders reporter for the Las Vegas Review Journal to talk about the latest with the Raiders and Ben Johnson. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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So the cowboy jobs still open and it's a good
time to discuss it.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
You know, there's so many things going on that are
like kind of what you'd say, are.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Jay Stu? Would you say B level sort of topics? Right?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Like we look for like what do you start a
show with a on a Wednesday when we're leading up
to playoff games? He can't like break down a playoff
game today like that seems like weird and reacting to
last weekend's playoff games seems dated. So midweek there's you know, Raiders'
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jobs open, Bears jobs still open, Jets jobs still open,
Cowboy jobs open.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And that one's interesting, right.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
The Cowboys interviewed Robert Salah to be for his head
coaching job.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Mike McCarthy, who remember, was going to meet with the
Bears or the Bears want to meet with him, only
the Cowboys blocked him for meeting with the Bears. I've
been told again a lot of interest there with Mike
McCarthy and the Bears, which would make.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Sense, right.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
The Bears are forever, I don't know, jealous, envious, or
in competition with the Packers. And McCarthy was there with
Aaron Rodgers. He won a Super Bowl there. He did
a good job in Dallas with Dak Prescott. They have
their own young quarterback. Want to put him in a
West Coast system and he's had some success. Is he
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the world's greatest coach now? But when you go from
Matt Eberflus, who was a defensive minded guy who'd never
been a head coach, before. You want a guy who's
offensive minded and has been a head coach before. I
think the only option there is McCarthy. Doesn't mean that's
who they go with, but that's a very strong possibility.
Here's Michael Parsons, who of course played for McCarthy, on
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his podcast, talking about his former coach.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It is devastating, you know, coach Mike's a great father coach,
one of the most winning hist coaches, and you know
he's always been good to us as a unit, us
to coaches players. So, you know, losing a great coach
like Mike Hurtz. But it's going to be very interesting
off seasons. You know, it's gonna be very interesting, you know,
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due to the free agents to coaching. It's like, you know,
it's going to be a complete reset. So it's going
to be a very interesting and challenging off season. But listen,
I already know I trust my owner, I trust our GM,
I trust Will maclay that we're going to make the
right decisions.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, he spent exactly two seconds of a pause on
Mike McCarthy. Did you notice that, Jay ste So, Yeah,
it really sucks, but anyway, we're on.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
So I like that he said that this is a
reset twice. Do you think Jerry Jones thinks this offseason
is a reset?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
All depends on what you think of the word reset means.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Just by the one then definition like the in the dictionary.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well, yeah, but there's multiple definitions of it. You can
do a reset within Hey, we're gonna different up coordinator,
different defensive coordinator, reset, go again. You think of reset
as starting over, like truly starting over.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Yep, Yeah, that's what I think it means.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I don't think that's what Micah Parsons thinks it means.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I don't think I.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Understand what you're you're getting at the very literal definition
of it. But I think because if it was a
true reset, it would be trade MICHAEH. Parsons trade, CD
LAMB trade, everybody start completely over, and I don't think
that's I think I.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Would guess that the Cowboy's gonna hire.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Somebody they think can win immediately, and that's not a reset,
not a reset.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
That's that's my take on it.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Because remember when you when you google a matter of fact,
I'll do it while you You can find a way
to kill time if you just say reset. There are
multiple meanings of it.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
It's going to be very interesting off seasons. You know,
it's gonna be very interesting, you know, due to the
free agents, the coaching. It's like, you know, it's going
to be a complete reset. So it's going to be
a very interesting and challenging off season. But listen, I
already know. I trust my owner, I trust our GM,
I trust Will Maclay that we're going to make the
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right decisions.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So the definition is an act or instance of setting again,
an act the instance of setting, adjusting or fixing something
in a new and different way that is not necessarily
means starting over or starting from scratch. Right, Fixing and
adjusting is not starting over, it's fixing adjusting. So I
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take him at his word, I actually think, but I
also think that Michael Parsons is repeating what he's heard. Hey,
this is just a chance of the reset challenging offseason,
and Parsons, much like some politicians, he struggles the most
or causes the most. Start when he goes off script
and says what he thinks, and sometimes it contradict itself right,
and then he doesn't sound.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
As bright a guy as he actually is.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So I think of it more by the possibility of
adjusting or fixing that I do of starting over, which
I think you think of reset as completely starting over.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Do you not buyer? What do you think?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
I think this is a classic case of reset versus rebuild,
and I believe that rebuild is a four letter word
in the halls of the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones,
who has made it no secret that he wants another
Super Bowl before he dies and is admitted, Hey, I
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have tons of time here on this earth, so I'd
want to get this done. That's one point of it.
Jerry Jones, rebuild could take too long. Reset is the
way to go. But the other tricky thing about it,
and why I do believe that Micah Parsons has, as
you guys correctly stated, heard this throughout the hallways, is
if it's a rebuild, that means that Jerry Jones and
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his front office did wrong. Yeah, and Jerry Jones would
never admit that they did wrong. So a reset is
just saying, Okay, some thing's kind of got off track here.
Let's just reset because what we're doing is fine. How
I operate is the right way to do it, This
is a good way to do it. Let's reset because
we're not going to rebuild, and they wouldn't even go
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through the notion of rebuilding and tearing down because again,
Jerry doesn't have the time and Jerry doesn't have his
egos too big to realize that he did something wrong.
So everything, no matter how bad they are with the Cowboys,
will be a reset. And it's probably a true reason
why they have not been to a super Bowl in
thirty years, because they haven't figured out a way to
rebuild or do anything.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
So let's go back to my original question for both
of you. Now, do you think Jerry Jones would be
happy with his best player calling it a quote complete reset.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I think that's exactly what he was told, so yes,
and I think his defense would be exactly what Dan's
defense of it is. We said reset, we didn't say rebuild.
Reset is an adjustment and fixing. Rebuild is starting over.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Rebuild is also a plan didn't previously work, so we
got to do something different. We got to rebuild. This
reset is ty No, We've got everything's don't worry. House
is in order. It's going to reset here a little bit.
I wouldn't doubt if Michael Parsons added complete on his
own in saying it, where maybe reset and then Parsons
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is looking at it, well, we don't have a head coach.
We've lost our entire staff under him. Obviously there's going
to be a new staff. I wouldn't doubt if Micah
Parsons and I'm just guessing here added the complete reset.
But I do think that reset is a word that
they have said in the hallways because rebuild would rebuilds
a four letter word with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
No question, so four letter word with a lot of people, right,
because it's admitting this is done, and you can't have
a rebuild if you have the same quarterback.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
He just can't. That's the other part to it.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He can't have a rebuild if you have the same
quarterback and same star player on defense. Like, that's not
that's not something you rebuild around. That's that's my belief.
Jay su Do you do you agree with my take?
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Now?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Are you still on the stance of what he means
is completely starting over whether he knows, whether he knows.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
It or not, Yeah, I think this is the difference.
I guess in the way I see this, I think
Michael parsonsink's complete reset is a startover. I think he
thinks that. I think you and Dan have laid out
maybe what the maybe the football vernacular typically is, and
that is differently than a rebuild. But the point that
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I was eventually getting to is, Wow, what a difference
a year makes. It was all in a year ago.
Now it's a complete reset.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, again, Again, these are just terms. It's a lot
like and you've picked apart the all in thing all
year long, right, that's kind of being your thing, Like
I'm going to just pick this thing apart, and you're
right to do so. But part of it is your
belief in what the word all in is. Where in
the hallways of the Cowboys they're saying all in, and
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it means something completely different than what you're going by
the basic definition of.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Am I making sense?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yes, which is put all your chips in the middle,
spare no expense. He chose not to.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, I think I truly think that they're all in.
Is they're like, if it doesn't work, dudes are getting fired,
And that's what they did with Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
That's what I think they think. All in means.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It doesn't mean spare no expense, which is to your
point what the true definition of all.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
In actually is.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Regardless of which, it's going to be fascinating to see
exactly what they do because it has it clearly has
nothing to do with what the Cowboys say.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's what the Cowboys do.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I think that the Dion conversation, though cute and clever,
doesn't work because Dion said he wants to coach his son,
and his son can't be a Cowboy because they can't
take one hundred and six million dollars cap hit on
a quarterback that won't play for the Cowboys. So I
think it's going to be somebody other than Dion. I
just don't know who. I got no idea who.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
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Speaker 1 (11:52):
So, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So I got
a question for you guys. I know that Jay stew
because we've talked about this. You're really bothered by this
idea that Tom Brady's got a conflict of interest calling
the Lions game this weekend when Ben Johnson is at
least one of the candidates for the Raiders job, right,
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and he's a part owner of the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
People think he's the.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Shadow president of the Raiders, and so comments that he
says meetings that he has somehow shape whether or not
Ben Johnson is the next head coach of the Raiders.
And I've seen Bennie bon signor who covers the Raiders
say that there's momentum in the building for the Raiders
to hire Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Look, I'll just share.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
With you this in sports, okay, the people you want
to hire on television, by my estimation, are people who
are connected with people in the league. Now, what you
got to do as a true pro broadcaster is those
people that you connect with, those people that you know
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no one can know that they're your guys, and you
can't treat them truthfully any differently than anybody else. Now,
that's what being a real pro is. And this would
be really hard for Tom Brady to be play it straight,
even if he has a bunch of information or even
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if he has an affinity for Ben Johnson and wants
Ben Johnson to coach the Raiders and wants him to
change the Raiders of the team that he helped me
and wants to take over. There is another part to
this Raiders thing that I don't know if everybody has.
I don't know how much people have actually articulated. Okay,
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so we realize that all of these TV jobs, CBS, NBC, Fox,
even Amazon have approached Peyton Manning to be their lead broadcaster.
He's all turned them all down and the only thing
he will do. Only thing he will do is the
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Manning Cast. Why is that because if you ask people
around Peyton Manning what he really wants to do, he
wants to run his own team, much like John.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Elway did with the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Now maybe that has passed, but that was always the
story with football people. It's like he didn't want to
be a true broadcaster because all he.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Really wants to do is run a team.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And Brady, no matter how much he tries to perfect
his smile or how cool calm collected, he likes to look.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Remember there was a time before.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Those last couple Super Bowls where people would say, yeah,
Brady's won more games, but Peyton Manning is a better quarterback.
These dudes are vicious competitors. I don't know why Brady
would leave the broadcast booth. He doesn't lose a game,
he doesn't turn it over. Fox is on the hook
for like three hundred and twenty more million dollars. But
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the only plausible answer is he wants to do what
Peyton Manny can't do, which is run his own team
and then win a Super Bowl that way.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
But do I see a conflict of interest? Yeah? I guess,
I guess. Do I think it matters? I don't. I know.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Maybe his relationship with Ben Johnson allows him to have
real insight into what they're gonna do and why they're
gonna do it, and he can do his job better.
I don't care about the supposed conflict of interest. I
think we do so much to overprotect ourselves from some
The reality is, if you're really really good at being
a broadcaster, you should have a relationship with everybody every
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team in the NFL, at least one guy on the staff.
Let me ask Vittie Bonsignor. He covers the Raiders in
the NFL for the Lost Vegas Review Journal. He's also
the host of the Morning Tailgate show in Las Vegas.
He joined us in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Vinnie let me start with, uh, with Brady
and the Raiders, is he the shadow president?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Yeah, I mean I don't even know if it's a
shadow president, but yeah, I hear what you're saying. You've
got to have to classify it because as an owner,
you can't have a title unless you're you know, uh,
Stephen Jones, who's the family member of the of the
primary owner, Jerry Jones. Maybe maybe Tom, Maybe maybe Mark
Davis needs to needs to adopt Tom Brady in order
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to give him an actual title. But to answer your
question in all seriousness, yeah, he's running the show. I mean,
there's no question about that. That was what Mark Davis's
intentions were. It's probably happened a little bit sooner than expected.
Why because I think Mark Davis and Tom Brady fell
out of favor with Antonio Piers as the head coach
of the Raiders, and you know, simultaneous to that also
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Tom Telesco. So they're wiping this light clean. This is
Tom Brady's show basically, and he's gonna have a huge say. Obviously,
Mark Davis is going to have the final say. He's
the general, you know, the managing general partner. It's his decision.
To make. But Tom Brady's going to influence this and
have a big voice in this, no question about it.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Why was Telesco told he was safe only to be
fired two days later.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
I don't know that he was told he was safe.
I think that there was implied that he was safe.
He had a really good draft. There was a delay
in terms of you know, when they when they decided
to fire Antonio Pierce, and as of that point, you know,
when when some time went went on and Tom wasn't fired,
I think there was an assumption that that he was safe.
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But I think at the end of the day, and
I'm sure if you were to talk to Tom Telesco,
he'd probably say, look, I probably would have done the
same thing. If I'm Tom Brady and I'm the Raiders,
and at this point, you know, with how they want
to align their head coach and their general manager and
what the pecking order in terms of the decision making
is going to be, It's going to be Tom Brady.
So I'm sure you know, Tom, having done this for
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a long time, would have probably done the same exact thing.
So so I think at the end of the day,
I think Tom Brady said looked at for the for
the for the well being of this organization in order
to create flexibility as far as you know, pursuing a
head coach and giving that head coach an opportunity or
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real opportunity, you know, to have a say in who
the general managers are going to be, and to to
kind of align that head coach and general manager as
best as possible. It's probably best to just do exactly that,
which was wipe the slate clean and starting a new.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Have any
bonsors to our guest you? He writes for the Las
Vegas Review Journal. He also hosts the Morning Tailgate podcast
in Vegas. He's mister Uh, he's mister football when it
comes to Vegas, NFL and Raiders coverage. Okay, I saw
your tweet that that there's momentum towards Ben Johnson. Uh,
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what what does that mean in terms of the likelihood
of him actually being hired?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Yeah? I think it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
You know.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Uh, if you're going to ask me that today could
things change? Of course, does anything surprise me, you know
now in the NFL and you know, things going awry
or whatever. No, I'm never going to be surprised anymore.
So anything could happen, I guess. But but I think
if if you know, if you're reading the tea leaves,
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I think this is Ben Johnson's job to lose. I
think they're going to offer him a lot of money.
I think they're going to offer him a chance to
have a say in the general manager. I think the
the presence of Tom Brady kind of as a stabilizing
force in this organization plays big in this. I think
they're going to give him the proper runway to get
this right. It's not going to be I think, and
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having Tom Brady there to to, you know, quell any
frustrations if it doesn't happen overnight and and create a
you know that that that that that stability that I'm
talking about, because there's a lot of work that needs
to be done with the Raiders, and I think it's
going to take a little while. They doesn't have to
take forever. Ben Johnson's can tell you that firsthand. I mean,
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he went to Detroit with Dan Campbell and how bleak
did that look at that point when they took over,
and sure enough they went they barely won any games
for the first what one and a half seasons of
their tenure there. But lo and behold, look at him.
Now it's a model franchise and a roster that was
the worst in the NFL when they got there is
now one of the best when they got there. Why
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because great decisions were made by good people and there
wasn't a rush to judgment. There wasn't a rush to
get this thing done the year after they got there.
It was given the proper time and that was the
right thing to do. So he's a he's a he's
a living example and saw that firsthand that what might
look like a bleak situation coming into it maybe the
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bleakest of all of that coaching cycle. Look at it now,
and it didn't all take you know, ten years. It
took you know, a year and a half, two years,
and now it's one of the model franchises in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Betty Vonceenior, join us here, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio.
Let me ask you about Dion Sanders. You know, there
was there was some talk about now they need a GM,
they need a quarterback, they need to coach. Why is
he hire on the Raiders list?
Speaker 6 (21:34):
I think that they just feel like there's better options
out there right now. And there was definitely interest from
Dion's part, you know, for this job. There were that
was made abundantly clear through you know, however whatever you
want to call it, channeling, back channeling, whatever, But but
there were people from his camp that reached out directly
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to the Raiders to express sincere interest. But I think
in Ben Johnson, he can Pete Carroll and you know,
Aaron Glenn. Uh, there's there's you know, there's other there's
options that the Raiders believe are better at this level
right now. So so for those reasons, I think the
Raiders are you know, thanks for the interests, but there's
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other that there's other candidates that they're more serious about.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
All Right, you do cover the rest of the nash
Football League. What about the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
What are you hearing there?
Speaker 6 (22:24):
I think it's you know, Kellen Moore's job to lose
at this point, and I think that's probably the direction
that they go. But if you're the Dallas Cowboys, Dean
Sanders makes a lot of sense as well. He played there,
He's from Texas. I think he knows the landscape and
and I'll say this too. You know, when you look
at Deon Sanders and what he did at at at Colorado,
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and I think you could probably speak to this as
well as anybody. It's not easy to go rebuild something
right that's that that needs a lot of repair. Colorado
was a well begone program. It was listless, lifeless. All
that the fact that I don't care what the rules
are nowadays, I don't care that there's a transfer portal
he did. He's done a remarkable job there at Colorado.
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As a West Coast person, somebody that you know, you know,
understands Colorado, sees Colorado in the conference that you know
I was. I covered for the longest the PAC twelve.
That was not an easy job. And look what he's done.
So I asked this question to people that are skeptical
of what Deon Sanders did and skeptical of his leadership
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and his coaching acumen, why is he any different than
where Jim Harborugh might have been year two in at Stanford.
It took Jim Harbaugh three years to start winning at Stanford.
And I know that the rules were different, and I
completely respect that and appreciate that. But if you look
at the body of work thus far with Deon Sanders
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at Jackson State, where he was what eleven and two,
twelve and oho, so twenty something in two his last
two years, one one conference championships went to you know,
their version of the ball game at that level. I
mean that was pretty impressive. And Jackson State was nothing
before he got there. Colorado hadn't had a winning season,
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had had one winning season in seventeen years before he
got there. I think people are under estimating what he's
done and maybe what that foretells for his future in coaching,
even at the NFL level, because I don't see a
whole lot of difference between what he's done at the
college level and what Jim Harbaugh was doing before he
got to the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I think it's fair, and you know, they both have
done it. Both led to turnarounds with great quarterbacks, and
he's got his own son a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I think I think the difference is.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
The difference is that Deanna said he wants to coach
his son and that Dak Prescott contract's.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Not movable, no, you know, not right now for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
So you can't coach your son if you already have
Dak Prescott under contract that's gonna cost you one hundred
and six million dollars in dead cap money. So that
I think would be would be the let me ask
you a couple of other things, Bears, is that Mike
McCarthy shob.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
It feels like, you know, if it's not going to
be Ben Johnson, it feels like, based on who they
who they're interviewing, and where that seems to be going,
that they're leaning more toward a veteran coach, somebody that's
done it before, you know, a Pete Carroll, somebody that
they'll have confidence in that, even though Pete's a defensive
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minded coach, that he'd make the right decisions offensively. In
terms of Caleb Williams and maximizing you know, a commodity
and asset that they kind of screwed up in that
first year, and Mike McCarthy as well as somebody that's
done it, somebody that they could because when you look
at the last couple of highers for the Chicago Bears,
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it was the young, hot assistant coach right and it
didn't work. And so I think understanding the importance of
maximizing Caleb Williams. It feels like they're going more veteran
coach so and that would obviously be at Mike McCarthy
type of a guy.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Denny Bonsienior joining us here, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
let's get to the brass tacks of the Nation Football League.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You've had. You know, two of.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
The AFC West teams get knocked out, much like two
of the NFC North teams. Now, I pointed this out
before the playoffs, that hey, there's a reason three teams
got in from the AFC West and three teams got
in AFC North. I don't think those three teams are
that good, especially the bottom two. It's that they played
the crossovers were against the weak weakest divisions in the NFL.
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That being said, offensively, statistically, this is probably the weakest
Chiefs team that we've seen. Defensively, they're awesome. What's your
level of confidence as a guy who now he covers
the whole league, but watches them come in and play
the Raiders, this Kansas City team, what do you think
they ultimately get to another Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (26:56):
I just I'm done counting the Chiefs out. I just
can't anymore because we did the same thing last year.
I mean, I think about the road that they had
to take to get to the Super Bowl last year.
It was all on the road, you know, for the
most part. They had to go beat they had to
go win in Buffalo, they had to win in Baltimore.
That was the toughest road that they were going to
(27:17):
have up you know, to that point. And they passed
with flying colors. And so I'm done counting them out,
I think until somebody shows that they could go beat them.
And the last team to do that was the Cincinnati
Bengals and the young kid by the name of Joe Burrow.
So it can't happen. But it's just it's it's it's
it's hard for me to see anybody knocking them out
(27:40):
at this point. Now, who has the best opportunity probably
the Baltimore Ravens, uh, you know, in the Buffalo Bills,
whoever wins that game. You know, and you assume that
you know, the Chiefs are going to win this week
you get to Houston, Texans. If that, if that comes
to fruition, then it's going to either be you know,
Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson in Kansas City against against
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the Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game. Can either of
those two teams win? Yes, absolutely no question about it.
Lamar or Josh I think are capable of beating them.
But can they do it? Are they going to be
able to get the across the board performance that you
need to knock out a worthy and proud champion in
the Kansas City Chiefs? And until I see it, I'm
(28:23):
not counting them out anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Ever, again, stuck out, leave show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Okay, the other game is the Lions game, right and
Tom Brady is gonna be broadcasting that game. And there
have been some people that said, Hey, like Mike Florio
is talking about this is a conflict of interest for
Tom Brady, the shadow president of the Las Vegas Raiders,
to be calling the game that he's essentially recruiting Ben
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Johnson to be his next head coach.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
How does that land with you?
Speaker 6 (28:53):
I mean, it's a conflict of interest. If Tom Brady
makes it a conflict of interest, he's you know, for
a full season. He has adhered to all the restrictions
that the NFL owners put on him in this dual
kind of a role. As you know, a part owner
of the of the Raiders and a and and the
lead analyst for Fox's you know, television coverage. So far,
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so good. He's adhered to that, and are are we?
I mean, the assumption that people are going to handle
things unprofessionally and without integrity. Is it is possible? I guess.
But I don't think Tom Brady understanding the importance of
his next hire for the Raiders, which he has major
skin in the game now as a as an owner
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and as the kind of the lead of it, I
don't think he's going to jeopardize. I would hope that
he wouldn't jeopardize to the point of sabotaging those efforts
by doing something really stupid, uh, you know, and stepping
out of line and ordering I guess Ben Jhonson some
drinks in the booth, you know, in the coaching booth,
like I just don't see it happening. Could it happen? Yes?
(29:58):
But and then you got to ask yourself the question, like,
if you're Ben Johnson, is there really something that they
just spoke for three hours on Friday on a Zoom meeting.
I'm presuming that they're going to speak again in person
when that time, when the time allows for that, you know,
based on the NFL rules. So after the conference championship game,
if the Lions win, you know, and they're in the
(30:19):
and then they're in the super Bowl, there will be
a window for them to sit down and talk, you know,
in person. So is there something that could possibly happen
on the day of the game this weekend? What is
it Saturday? I think the game is on Saturday. Is
there something that could truly happen that would really sway
it for Ben Johnson? I mean, this is a life
changing decision that he has to make. I find it
(30:40):
hard to believe that there's something that could happen on
Saturday that's going to sway him in the Raiders direction
that has either already happened or will happen when they
sit face to face for an extensive you know, interviews.
So I'm with you. I heard your your leading, you
know at the top of the at the top of
this interview, which was is there could there be?
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Ye?
Speaker 6 (31:01):
I guess slightly, But I think we're making too much
out of it. Tom's already shown that he can operate
within those rules. I don't think he's going to step
out of line this weekend and jeopardize what he understands
is really important, uh, you know, higher for the Raiders
by doing something that's that's that he's not allowed to do.
And I also don't think that there's anything that he
(31:24):
could even say at this point that probably wasn't already
said during the in or talked about in the interview
on zoom and in the interview that's probably still waiting
to come in person. That's going to sway Ben Johnson
one way or another. This is much bigger than something
than a wink wink that would happen or hey, how
you doing, or a compliment that he could give him
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on the on the telecast. That's really going to sway
Ben Johnson one way or another.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
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much for joining us.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Really appreciate it all right, man, have a great show.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
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for Doug gottlieb Aday Guy old Man. Yeah, oh Man, Sorry,
Doug is a little surprised. We cooked up for you.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Oh well, thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
You know what's cool? This is cool and I I've
done this obviously. I've worked at three different networks and
I woke up to thanks guys for the happy birthday text.
I don't know I got a bunch, but it was
on our group text, so thank you. So I'll give
all three of you credit. But have you, guys ever
done this? And by the way, this is a preemptive No,
(32:45):
Tomorrow's not Friday's year, not off Dan, my bad, just
happy birthday to Dan's birthdays tomorrow. But it's the I've
done this, and it's it's actually a really disheartening feeling
when people don't know. At work, I tell people all
the time I worked and see asked for five years,
and Adam Klug, who is my producer all five years
on the radio side. Obviously we were super close, but
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never once did anybody say anything.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
It was nuts, really stunk.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
So I don't tell everybody. And I mean, how we're
gonna do a birthday thing at the top of the hour,
aren't we? He isn't at the part of the midway.
I thought, that's what we're we're gonna do it. We're
gonna do a birthday spiel so I'll get a little
bit more into my birthday thing.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But thanks Sam for cooking that up.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Thanks guys for recognizing it's cool. I am getting older,
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Do you have the right team on the court?
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This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do? What
do you got there? Dan?
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Byron Doug on your birthday. We have a game we.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Like to call for better or worse.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
I have seven subjects here. Doug has to just tell
us in these two subjects or I guess two items
that are battling against each other, which one is better,
which one is worse? First topic of conversation head coaching
jobs in the NFL. Doug for better or worse? Cowboys
versus the Raiders, Well, coaching job is better or worse?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Wow, I think the Raiders is better. And I'm gonna
tell you why. Okay, you get to bring in your
own GM. And considering you know, the abruptness of how
the Gruden era ended, that was because of those email
else Josh McDaniels ended because everybody hated him, and then
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this one. I I think this is a long term play.
I think whoever gets this job will get three, four,
maybe five years to work it out. Whereas the Cowboys
they want to win now and they got a super
flawed organization and you don't get to bring in your
own GM. I think the Raiders are the better.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Job, all right, Doug? For better?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
The better job is? Or are is? The better? Is
the better job?
Speaker 5 (35:30):
The better job is what I would say.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I don't know it's correct, but sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I mean, I'm gonna blame that one on Jordan Elementary
more than lavite elementary, but definitely elementary.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
For better or worse, Doug fan bases Boston versus Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Philadelphis the worst? Okay, Phil is the worst.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
I have.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
The top spot.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, the the dB in the stands calling a lady
the C word for no reason other than.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
She's a Packer fan. We hate you. No one likes you.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Look, we do have a good, really good friend, uh
Anna Scogan.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Who in Green Bay? Anna?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Notwithstanding, but most Eagles fans can't stand can't stand you.
Eagles are the worst. And the one guy on video
only epitomizes that.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
For Better or Worse, Doug better playoff atmosphere Kansas City
versus Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Wow, great question, I'm gonna go Buffalo. Okay, uh Bill's mafia,
the pregame, theatrics and the and the potential for massive
snow Buffalo.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Finally, Doug for Better or Worse. Most hated college football
team Notre Dame versus Ohio State. Notre Dame, oh even
with the likable Irish.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
No, no, I mean again this Marcus Freeman changes that.
But I thought you meant like in totality, Yeah, in
totality people just hate Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Sure, the like of the Irish, very good, Sam. Finally,
this will be the last one. For Better or Worse?
Birthday cake chocolate versus vanilla.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Chocolate with the scop of vanilla ice cream. All right, Chocolate's.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Better, and that's game time.
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So the cowboy jobs still open and it's a good
time to discuss it.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
You know, there's so many things going on that are
like kind of what you'd say, are.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Jay Stu? Would you say B level sort of topics? Right?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Like we look for like what do you start a
show with a on a Wednesday when we're leading up
to playoff games? He can't like break down a playoff
game today like that seems like weird and reacting to
last weekend's playoff games seems dated. So midweek there's you know, Raiders'
(01:30):
jobs open, Bears jobs still open, Jets jobs still open,
Cowboy jobs open.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And that one's interesting, right.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
The Cowboys interviewed Robert Salah to be for his head
coaching job.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Mike McCarthy, who remember, was going to meet with the
Bears or the Bears want to meet with him, only
the Cowboys blocked him for meeting with the Bears. I've
been told again a lot of interest there with Mike
McCarthy and the Bears, which would make.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Sense, right.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
The Bears are forever, I don't know, jealous, envious, or
in competition with the Packers. And McCarthy was there with
Aaron Rodgers. He won a Super Bowl there. He did
a good job in Dallas with Dak Prescott. They have
their own young quarterback. Want to put him in a
West Coast system and he's had some success. Is he
(02:20):
the world's greatest coach now? But when you go from
Matt Eberflus, who was a defensive minded guy who'd never
been a head coach, before. You want a guy who's
offensive minded and has been a head coach before. I
think the only option there is McCarthy. Doesn't mean that's
who they go with, but that's a very strong possibility.
Here's Michael Parsons, who of course played for McCarthy, on
(02:41):
his podcast, talking about his former coach.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It is devastating, you know, coach Mike's a great father coach,
one of the most winning hist coaches, and you know
he's always been good to us as a unit, us
to coaches players. So, you know, losing a great coach
like Mike Hurtz. But it's going to be very interesting
off seasons. You know, it's gonna be very interesting, you know,
(03:04):
due to the free agents to coaching. It's like, you know,
it's going to be a complete reset. So it's going
to be a very interesting and challenging off season. But listen,
I already know I trust my owner, I trust our GM,
I trust Will maclay that we're going to make the
right decisions.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, he spent exactly two seconds of a pause on
Mike McCarthy. Did you notice that, Jay ste So, Yeah,
it really sucks, but anyway, we're on.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
So I like that he said that this is a
reset twice. Do you think Jerry Jones thinks this offseason
is a reset?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
All depends on what you think of the word reset means.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Just by the one then definition like the in the dictionary.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well, yeah, but there's multiple definitions of it. You can
do a reset within Hey, we're gonna different up coordinator,
different defensive coordinator, reset, go again. You think of reset
as starting over, like truly starting over.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Yep, Yeah, that's what I think it means.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I don't think that's what Micah Parsons thinks it means.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I don't think I.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Understand what you're you're getting at the very literal definition
of it. But I think because if it was a
true reset, it would be trade MICHAEH. Parsons trade, CD
LAMB trade, everybody start completely over, and I don't think
that's I think I.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Would guess that the Cowboy's gonna hire.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Somebody they think can win immediately, and that's not a reset,
not a reset.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
That's that's my take on it.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Because remember when you when you google a matter of fact,
I'll do it while you You can find a way
to kill time if you just say reset. There are
multiple meanings of it.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
It's going to be very interesting off seasons. You know,
it's gonna be very interesting, you know, due to the
free agents, the coaching. It's like, you know, it's going
to be a complete reset. So it's going to be
a very interesting and challenging off season. But listen, I
already know. I trust my owner, I trust our GM,
I trust Will Maclay that we're going to make the
(05:16):
right decisions.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So the definition is an act or instance of setting again,
an act the instance of setting, adjusting or fixing something
in a new and different way that is not necessarily
means starting over or starting from scratch. Right, Fixing and
adjusting is not starting over, it's fixing adjusting. So I
(05:41):
take him at his word, I actually think, but I
also think that Michael Parsons is repeating what he's heard. Hey,
this is just a chance of the reset challenging offseason,
and Parsons, much like some politicians, he struggles the most
or causes the most. Start when he goes off script
and says what he thinks, and sometimes it contradict itself right,
and then he doesn't sound.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
As bright a guy as he actually is.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So I think of it more by the possibility of
adjusting or fixing that I do of starting over, which
I think you think of reset as completely starting over.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Do you not buyer? What do you think?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
I think this is a classic case of reset versus rebuild,
and I believe that rebuild is a four letter word
in the halls of the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones,
who has made it no secret that he wants another
Super Bowl before he dies and is admitted, Hey, I
(06:42):
have tons of time here on this earth, so I'd
want to get this done. That's one point of it.
Jerry Jones, rebuild could take too long. Reset is the
way to go. But the other tricky thing about it,
and why I do believe that Micah Parsons has, as
you guys correctly stated, heard this throughout the hallways, is
if it's a rebuild, that means that Jerry Jones and
(07:05):
his front office did wrong. Yeah, and Jerry Jones would
never admit that they did wrong. So a reset is
just saying, Okay, some thing's kind of got off track here.
Let's just reset because what we're doing is fine. How
I operate is the right way to do it, This
is a good way to do it. Let's reset because
we're not going to rebuild, and they wouldn't even go
(07:27):
through the notion of rebuilding and tearing down because again,
Jerry doesn't have the time and Jerry doesn't have his
egos too big to realize that he did something wrong.
So everything, no matter how bad they are with the Cowboys,
will be a reset. And it's probably a true reason
why they have not been to a super Bowl in
thirty years, because they haven't figured out a way to
rebuild or do anything.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
So let's go back to my original question for both
of you. Now, do you think Jerry Jones would be
happy with his best player calling it a quote complete reset.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I think that's exactly what he was told, so yes,
and I think his defense would be exactly what Dan's
defense of it is. We said reset, we didn't say rebuild.
Reset is an adjustment and fixing. Rebuild is starting over.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Rebuild is also a plan didn't previously work, so we
got to do something different. We got to rebuild. This
reset is ty No, We've got everything's don't worry. House
is in order. It's going to reset here a little bit.
I wouldn't doubt if Michael Parsons added complete on his
own in saying it, where maybe reset and then Parsons
(08:37):
is looking at it, well, we don't have a head coach.
We've lost our entire staff under him. Obviously there's going
to be a new staff. I wouldn't doubt if Micah
Parsons and I'm just guessing here added the complete reset.
But I do think that reset is a word that
they have said in the hallways because rebuild would rebuilds
a four letter word with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
No question, so four letter word with a lot of people, right,
because it's admitting this is done, and you can't have
a rebuild if you have the same quarterback.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
He just can't. That's the other part to it.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He can't have a rebuild if you have the same
quarterback and same star player on defense. Like, that's not
that's not something you rebuild around. That's that's my belief.
Jay su Do you do you agree with my take?
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Now?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Are you still on the stance of what he means
is completely starting over whether he knows, whether he knows.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
It or not, Yeah, I think this is the difference.
I guess in the way I see this, I think
Michael parsonsink's complete reset is a startover. I think he
thinks that. I think you and Dan have laid out
maybe what the maybe the football vernacular typically is, and
that is differently than a rebuild. But the point that
(09:52):
I was eventually getting to is, Wow, what a difference
a year makes. It was all in a year ago.
Now it's a complete reset.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, again, Again, these are just terms. It's a lot
like and you've picked apart the all in thing all
year long, right, that's kind of being your thing, Like
I'm going to just pick this thing apart, and you're
right to do so. But part of it is your
belief in what the word all in is. Where in
the hallways of the Cowboys they're saying all in, and
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it means something completely different than what you're going by
the basic definition of.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Am I making sense?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yes, which is put all your chips in the middle,
spare no expense. He chose not to.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, I think I truly think that they're all in.
Is they're like, if it doesn't work, dudes are getting fired,
And that's what they did with Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
That's what I think they think. All in means.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It doesn't mean spare no expense, which is to your
point what the true definition of all.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
In actually is.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Regardless of which, it's going to be fascinating to see
exactly what they do because it has it clearly has
nothing to do with what the Cowboys say.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's what the Cowboys do.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I think that the Dion conversation, though cute and clever,
doesn't work because Dion said he wants to coach his son,
and his son can't be a Cowboy because they can't
take one hundred and six million dollars cap hit on
a quarterback that won't play for the Cowboys. So I
think it's going to be somebody other than Dion. I
just don't know who. I got no idea who.
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Speaker 1 (11:52):
So, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So I got
a question for you guys. I know that Jay stew
because we've talked about this. You're really bothered by this
idea that Tom Brady's got a conflict of interest calling
the Lions game this weekend when Ben Johnson is at
least one of the candidates for the Raiders job, right,
(12:13):
and he's a part owner of the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
People think he's the.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Shadow president of the Raiders, and so comments that he
says meetings that he has somehow shape whether or not
Ben Johnson is the next head coach of the Raiders.
And I've seen Bennie bon signor who covers the Raiders
say that there's momentum in the building for the Raiders
to hire Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Look, I'll just share.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
With you this in sports, okay, the people you want
to hire on television, by my estimation, are people who
are connected with people in the league. Now, what you
got to do as a true pro broadcaster is those
people that you connect with, those people that you know
(13:05):
no one can know that they're your guys, and you
can't treat them truthfully any differently than anybody else. Now,
that's what being a real pro is. And this would
be really hard for Tom Brady to be play it straight,
even if he has a bunch of information or even
(13:26):
if he has an affinity for Ben Johnson and wants
Ben Johnson to coach the Raiders and wants him to
change the Raiders of the team that he helped me
and wants to take over. There is another part to
this Raiders thing that I don't know if everybody has.
I don't know how much people have actually articulated. Okay,
(13:47):
so we realize that all of these TV jobs, CBS, NBC, Fox,
even Amazon have approached Peyton Manning to be their lead broadcaster.
He's all turned them all down and the only thing
he will do. Only thing he will do is the
(14:11):
Manning Cast. Why is that because if you ask people
around Peyton Manning what he really wants to do, he
wants to run his own team, much like John.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Elway did with the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Now maybe that has passed, but that was always the
story with football people. It's like he didn't want to
be a true broadcaster because all he.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Really wants to do is run a team.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And Brady, no matter how much he tries to perfect
his smile or how cool calm collected, he likes to look.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Remember there was a time before.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Those last couple Super Bowls where people would say, yeah,
Brady's won more games, but Peyton Manning is a better quarterback.
These dudes are vicious competitors. I don't know why Brady
would leave the broadcast booth. He doesn't lose a game,
he doesn't turn it over. Fox is on the hook
for like three hundred and twenty more million dollars. But
(15:06):
the only plausible answer is he wants to do what
Peyton Manny can't do, which is run his own team
and then win a Super Bowl that way.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
But do I see a conflict of interest? Yeah? I guess,
I guess. Do I think it matters? I don't. I know.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Maybe his relationship with Ben Johnson allows him to have
real insight into what they're gonna do and why they're
gonna do it, and he can do his job better.
I don't care about the supposed conflict of interest. I
think we do so much to overprotect ourselves from some
The reality is, if you're really really good at being
a broadcaster, you should have a relationship with everybody every
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team in the NFL, at least one guy on the staff.
Let me ask Vittie Bonsignor. He covers the Raiders in
the NFL for the Lost Vegas Review Journal. He's also
the host of the Morning Tailgate show in Las Vegas.
He joined us in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Vinnie let me start with, uh, with Brady
and the Raiders, is he the shadow president?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Yeah, I mean I don't even know if it's a
shadow president, but yeah, I hear what you're saying. You've
got to have to classify it because as an owner,
you can't have a title unless you're you know, uh,
Stephen Jones, who's the family member of the of the
primary owner, Jerry Jones. Maybe maybe Tom, Maybe maybe Mark
Davis needs to needs to adopt Tom Brady in order
(16:37):
to give him an actual title. But to answer your
question in all seriousness, yeah, he's running the show. I mean,
there's no question about that. That was what Mark Davis's
intentions were. It's probably happened a little bit sooner than expected.
Why because I think Mark Davis and Tom Brady fell
out of favor with Antonio Piers as the head coach
of the Raiders, and you know, simultaneous to that also
(17:01):
Tom Telesco. So they're wiping this light clean. This is
Tom Brady's show basically, and he's gonna have a huge say. Obviously,
Mark Davis is going to have the final say. He's
the general, you know, the managing general partner. It's his decision.
To make. But Tom Brady's going to influence this and
have a big voice in this, no question about it.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Why was Telesco told he was safe only to be
fired two days later.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
I don't know that he was told he was safe.
I think that there was implied that he was safe.
He had a really good draft. There was a delay
in terms of you know, when they when they decided
to fire Antonio Pierce, and as of that point, you know,
when when some time went went on and Tom wasn't fired,
I think there was an assumption that that he was safe.
(17:48):
But I think at the end of the day, and
I'm sure if you were to talk to Tom Telesco,
he'd probably say, look, I probably would have done the
same thing. If I'm Tom Brady and I'm the Raiders,
and at this point, you know, with how they want
to align their head coach and their general manager and
what the pecking order in terms of the decision making
is going to be, It's going to be Tom Brady.
So I'm sure you know, Tom, having done this for
(18:11):
a long time, would have probably done the same exact thing.
So so I think at the end of the day,
I think Tom Brady said looked at for the for
the for the well being of this organization in order
to create flexibility as far as you know, pursuing a
head coach and giving that head coach an opportunity or
(18:31):
real opportunity, you know, to have a say in who
the general managers are going to be, and to to
kind of align that head coach and general manager as
best as possible. It's probably best to just do exactly that,
which was wipe the slate clean and starting a new.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Have any
bonsors to our guest you? He writes for the Las
Vegas Review Journal. He also hosts the Morning Tailgate podcast
in Vegas. He's mister Uh, he's mister football when it
comes to Vegas, NFL and Raiders coverage. Okay, I saw
your tweet that that there's momentum towards Ben Johnson. Uh,
(19:10):
what what does that mean in terms of the likelihood
of him actually being hired?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Yeah? I think it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
You know.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Uh, if you're going to ask me that today could
things change? Of course, does anything surprise me, you know
now in the NFL and you know, things going awry
or whatever. No, I'm never going to be surprised anymore.
So anything could happen, I guess. But but I think
if if you know, if you're reading the tea leaves,
(19:40):
I think this is Ben Johnson's job to lose. I
think they're going to offer him a lot of money.
I think they're going to offer him a chance to
have a say in the general manager. I think the
the presence of Tom Brady kind of as a stabilizing
force in this organization plays big in this. I think
they're going to give him the proper runway to get
this right. It's not going to be I think, and
(20:01):
having Tom Brady there to to, you know, quell any
frustrations if it doesn't happen overnight and and create a
you know that that that that that stability that I'm
talking about, because there's a lot of work that needs
to be done with the Raiders, and I think it's
going to take a little while. They doesn't have to
take forever. Ben Johnson's can tell you that firsthand. I mean,
(20:22):
he went to Detroit with Dan Campbell and how bleak
did that look at that point when they took over,
and sure enough they went they barely won any games
for the first what one and a half seasons of
their tenure there. But lo and behold, look at him.
Now it's a model franchise and a roster that was
the worst in the NFL when they got there is
now one of the best when they got there. Why
(20:44):
because great decisions were made by good people and there
wasn't a rush to judgment. There wasn't a rush to
get this thing done the year after they got there.
It was given the proper time and that was the
right thing to do. So he's a he's a he's
a living example and saw that firsthand that what might
look like a bleak situation coming into it maybe the
(21:05):
bleakest of all of that coaching cycle. Look at it now,
and it didn't all take you know, ten years. It
took you know, a year and a half, two years,
and now it's one of the model franchises in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Betty Vonceenior, join us here, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio.
Let me ask you about Dion Sanders. You know, there
was there was some talk about now they need a GM,
they need a quarterback, they need to coach. Why is
he hire on the Raiders list?
Speaker 6 (21:34):
I think that they just feel like there's better options
out there right now. And there was definitely interest from
Dion's part, you know, for this job. There were that
was made abundantly clear through you know, however whatever you
want to call it, channeling, back channeling, whatever, But but
there were people from his camp that reached out directly
(21:54):
to the Raiders to express sincere interest. But I think
in Ben Johnson, he can Pete Carroll and you know,
Aaron Glenn. Uh, there's there's you know, there's other there's
options that the Raiders believe are better at this level
right now. So so for those reasons, I think the
Raiders are you know, thanks for the interests, but there's
(22:15):
other that there's other candidates that they're more serious about.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
All Right, you do cover the rest of the nash
Football League. What about the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
What are you hearing there?
Speaker 6 (22:24):
I think it's you know, Kellen Moore's job to lose
at this point, and I think that's probably the direction
that they go. But if you're the Dallas Cowboys, Dean
Sanders makes a lot of sense as well. He played there,
He's from Texas. I think he knows the landscape and
and I'll say this too. You know, when you look
at Deon Sanders and what he did at at at Colorado,
(22:46):
and I think you could probably speak to this as
well as anybody. It's not easy to go rebuild something
right that's that that needs a lot of repair. Colorado
was a well begone program. It was listless, lifeless. All
that the fact that I don't care what the rules
are nowadays, I don't care that there's a transfer portal
he did. He's done a remarkable job there at Colorado.
(23:08):
As a West Coast person, somebody that you know, you know,
understands Colorado, sees Colorado in the conference that you know
I was. I covered for the longest the PAC twelve.
That was not an easy job. And look what he's done.
So I asked this question to people that are skeptical
of what Deon Sanders did and skeptical of his leadership
(23:29):
and his coaching acumen, why is he any different than
where Jim Harborugh might have been year two in at Stanford.
It took Jim Harbaugh three years to start winning at Stanford.
And I know that the rules were different, and I
completely respect that and appreciate that. But if you look
at the body of work thus far with Deon Sanders
(23:49):
at Jackson State, where he was what eleven and two,
twelve and oho, so twenty something in two his last
two years, one one conference championships went to you know,
their version of the ball game at that level. I
mean that was pretty impressive. And Jackson State was nothing
before he got there. Colorado hadn't had a winning season,
(24:09):
had had one winning season in seventeen years before he
got there. I think people are under estimating what he's
done and maybe what that foretells for his future in coaching,
even at the NFL level, because I don't see a
whole lot of difference between what he's done at the
college level and what Jim Harbaugh was doing before he
got to the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I think it's fair, and you know, they both have
done it. Both led to turnarounds with great quarterbacks, and
he's got his own son a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I think I think the difference is.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
The difference is that Deanna said he wants to coach
his son and that Dak Prescott contract's.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Not movable, no, you know, not right now for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
So you can't coach your son if you already have
Dak Prescott under contract that's gonna cost you one hundred
and six million dollars in dead cap money. So that
I think would be would be the let me ask
you a couple of other things, Bears, is that Mike
McCarthy shob.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
It feels like, you know, if it's not going to
be Ben Johnson, it feels like, based on who they
who they're interviewing, and where that seems to be going,
that they're leaning more toward a veteran coach, somebody that's
done it before, you know, a Pete Carroll, somebody that
they'll have confidence in that, even though Pete's a defensive
(25:27):
minded coach, that he'd make the right decisions offensively. In
terms of Caleb Williams and maximizing you know, a commodity
and asset that they kind of screwed up in that
first year, and Mike McCarthy as well as somebody that's
done it, somebody that they could because when you look
at the last couple of highers for the Chicago Bears,
(25:48):
it was the young, hot assistant coach right and it
didn't work. And so I think understanding the importance of
maximizing Caleb Williams. It feels like they're going more veteran
coach so and that would obviously be at Mike McCarthy
type of a guy.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Denny Bonsienior joining us here, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
let's get to the brass tacks of the Nation Football League.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You've had. You know, two of.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
The AFC West teams get knocked out, much like two
of the NFC North teams. Now, I pointed this out
before the playoffs, that hey, there's a reason three teams
got in from the AFC West and three teams got
in AFC North. I don't think those three teams are
that good, especially the bottom two. It's that they played
the crossovers were against the weak weakest divisions in the NFL.
(26:34):
That being said, offensively, statistically, this is probably the weakest
Chiefs team that we've seen. Defensively, they're awesome. What's your
level of confidence as a guy who now he covers
the whole league, but watches them come in and play
the Raiders, this Kansas City team, what do you think
they ultimately get to another Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (26:56):
I just I'm done counting the Chiefs out. I just
can't anymore because we did the same thing last year.
I mean, I think about the road that they had
to take to get to the Super Bowl last year.
It was all on the road, you know, for the
most part. They had to go beat they had to
go win in Buffalo, they had to win in Baltimore.
That was the toughest road that they were going to
(27:17):
have up you know, to that point. And they passed
with flying colors. And so I'm done counting them out,
I think until somebody shows that they could go beat them.
And the last team to do that was the Cincinnati
Bengals and the young kid by the name of Joe Burrow.
So it can't happen. But it's just it's it's it's
it's hard for me to see anybody knocking them out
(27:40):
at this point. Now, who has the best opportunity probably
the Baltimore Ravens, uh, you know, in the Buffalo Bills,
whoever wins that game. You know, and you assume that
you know, the Chiefs are going to win this week
you get to Houston, Texans. If that, if that comes
to fruition, then it's going to either be you know,
Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson in Kansas City against against
(28:01):
the Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game. Can either of
those two teams win? Yes, absolutely no question about it.
Lamar or Josh I think are capable of beating them.
But can they do it? Are they going to be
able to get the across the board performance that you
need to knock out a worthy and proud champion in
the Kansas City Chiefs? And until I see it, I'm
(28:23):
not counting them out anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Ever, again, stuck out, leave show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Okay, the other game is the Lions game, right and
Tom Brady is gonna be broadcasting that game. And there
have been some people that said, Hey, like Mike Florio
is talking about this is a conflict of interest for
Tom Brady, the shadow president of the Las Vegas Raiders,
to be calling the game that he's essentially recruiting Ben
(28:49):
Johnson to be his next head coach.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
How does that land with you?
Speaker 6 (28:53):
I mean, it's a conflict of interest. If Tom Brady
makes it a conflict of interest, he's you know, for
a full season. He has adhered to all the restrictions
that the NFL owners put on him in this dual
kind of a role. As you know, a part owner
of the of the Raiders and a and and the
lead analyst for Fox's you know, television coverage. So far,
(29:15):
so good. He's adhered to that, and are are we?
I mean, the assumption that people are going to handle
things unprofessionally and without integrity. Is it is possible? I guess.
But I don't think Tom Brady understanding the importance of
his next hire for the Raiders, which he has major
skin in the game now as a as an owner
(29:36):
and as the kind of the lead of it, I
don't think he's going to jeopardize. I would hope that
he wouldn't jeopardize to the point of sabotaging those efforts
by doing something really stupid, uh, you know, and stepping
out of line and ordering I guess Ben Jhonson some
drinks in the booth, you know, in the coaching booth,
like I just don't see it happening. Could it happen? Yes?
(29:58):
But and then you got to ask yourself the question, like,
if you're Ben Johnson, is there really something that they
just spoke for three hours on Friday on a Zoom meeting.
I'm presuming that they're going to speak again in person
when that time, when the time allows for that, you know,
based on the NFL rules. So after the conference championship game,
if the Lions win, you know, and they're in the
(30:19):
and then they're in the super Bowl, there will be
a window for them to sit down and talk, you know,
in person. So is there something that could possibly happen
on the day of the game this weekend? What is
it Saturday? I think the game is on Saturday. Is
there something that could truly happen that would really sway
it for Ben Johnson? I mean, this is a life
changing decision that he has to make. I find it
(30:40):
hard to believe that there's something that could happen on
Saturday that's going to sway him in the Raiders direction
that has either already happened or will happen when they
sit face to face for an extensive you know, interviews.
So I'm with you. I heard your your leading, you
know at the top of the at the top of
this interview, which was is there could there be?
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Ye?
Speaker 6 (31:01):
I guess slightly, But I think we're making too much
out of it. Tom's already shown that he can operate
within those rules. I don't think he's going to step
out of line this weekend and jeopardize what he understands
is really important, uh, you know, higher for the Raiders
by doing something that's that's that he's not allowed to do.
And I also don't think that there's anything that he
(31:24):
could even say at this point that probably wasn't already
said during the in or talked about in the interview
on zoom and in the interview that's probably still waiting
to come in person. That's going to sway Ben Johnson
one way or another. This is much bigger than something
than a wink wink that would happen or hey, how
you doing, or a compliment that he could give him
(31:45):
on the on the telecast. That's really going to sway
Ben Johnson one way or another.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Steut gottlig Show, Fox Sportsrayer. That's the voice of Vinnie
Buoncingo from the Las Vegas Review Journal. Benny, thanks so
much for joining us.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Really appreciate it all right, man, have a great show.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
Be sure to catch the live edition The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
A happy happy birthday to Doug Gotlin today. Yo, Yes
for Doug gottlieb Aday Guy old Man. Yeah, oh Man, Sorry,
Doug is a little surprised. We cooked up for you.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Oh well, thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
You know what's cool? This is cool and I I've
done this obviously. I've worked at three different networks and
I woke up to thanks guys for the happy birthday text.
I don't know I got a bunch, but it was
on our group text, so thank you. So I'll give
all three of you credit. But have you, guys ever
done this? And by the way, this is a preemptive No,
(32:45):
Tomorrow's not Friday's year, not off Dan, my bad, just
happy birthday to Dan's birthdays tomorrow. But it's the I've
done this, and it's it's actually a really disheartening feeling
when people don't know. At work, I tell people all
the time I worked and see asked for five years,
and Adam Klug, who is my producer all five years
on the radio side. Obviously we were super close, but
(33:08):
never once did anybody say anything.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
It was nuts, really stunk.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
So I don't tell everybody. And I mean, how we're
gonna do a birthday thing at the top of the hour,
aren't we? He isn't at the part of the midway.
I thought, that's what we're we're gonna do it. We're
gonna do a birthday spiel so I'll get a little
bit more into my birthday thing.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But thanks Sam for cooking that up.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Thanks guys for recognizing it's cool. I am getting older,
but I'm not that number that creeps up next year.
Do you have the right team on the court?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Good question.
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Speaker 7 (33:58):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do? What
do you got there? Dan?
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Byron Doug on your birthday. We have a game we.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Like to call for better or worse.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
I have seven subjects here. Doug has to just tell
us in these two subjects or I guess two items
that are battling against each other, which one is better,
which one is worse? First topic of conversation head coaching
jobs in the NFL. Doug for better or worse? Cowboys
versus the Raiders, Well, coaching job is better or worse?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Wow, I think the Raiders is better. And I'm gonna
tell you why. Okay, you get to bring in your
own GM. And considering you know, the abruptness of how
the Gruden era ended, that was because of those email
else Josh McDaniels ended because everybody hated him, and then
(35:05):
this one. I I think this is a long term play.
I think whoever gets this job will get three, four,
maybe five years to work it out. Whereas the Cowboys
they want to win now and they got a super
flawed organization and you don't get to bring in your
own GM. I think the Raiders are the better.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Job, all right, Doug? For better?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
The better job is? Or are is? The better? Is
the better job?
Speaker 5 (35:30):
The better job is what I would say.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I don't know it's correct, but sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I mean, I'm gonna blame that one on Jordan Elementary
more than lavite elementary, but definitely elementary.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
For better or worse, Doug fan bases Boston versus Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Philadelphis the worst? Okay, Phil is the worst.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
I have.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
The top spot.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, the the dB in the stands calling a lady
the C word for no reason other than.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
She's a Packer fan. We hate you. No one likes you.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Look, we do have a good, really good friend, uh
Anna Scogan.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Who in Green Bay? Anna?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Notwithstanding, but most Eagles fans can't stand can't stand you.
Eagles are the worst. And the one guy on video
only epitomizes that.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
For Better or Worse, Doug better playoff atmosphere Kansas City
versus Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Wow, great question, I'm gonna go Buffalo. Okay, uh Bill's mafia,
the pregame, theatrics and the and the potential for massive
snow Buffalo.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Finally, Doug for Better or Worse. Most hated college football
team Notre Dame versus Ohio State. Notre Dame, oh even
with the likable Irish.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
No, no, I mean again this Marcus Freeman changes that.
But I thought you meant like in totality, Yeah, in
totality people just hate Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Sure, the like of the Irish, very good, Sam. Finally,
this will be the last one. For Better or Worse?
Birthday cake chocolate versus vanilla.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Chocolate with the scop of vanilla ice cream. All right, Chocolate's.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Better, and that's game time.
Speaker 7 (37:20):
Game This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Coming out on The Doug Gottlieb Show middle of the month,
middle of the week, middle of the show. The midway
is Next Life from the tyreq dot com Studios. Birthdays,
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