January 20, 2025 • 52 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Ravens losing to the Bills in the snow and wind and discusses the topic of whether or not watching games with wind and snow elements is enjoyable for the average viewer.
On today's version of Love AND Hate, Doug and the crew share what they loved most and hated most from the weekend.
Dan and Doug discuss the Eagles win. Doug welcomes former Pro Bowler and current FSR host TJ Houshmandzadeh to the show to talk about the NFL weekend.
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preview that. We'll tell you the pick. We had a
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crazy weekend in the NFL. Stop me, you heard this before,
but people think the officials seem to like the Kansasity Chiefs.
I know, I know, Stop me if you heard this before.
But and you gotta be of my age or around
my age. The rams might struggle playing in cold weather.
I know, I know, Stop me if you heard this before.
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A right, just kind of go through all these Nonetheless,
we're left with the Eagles taking on the Commanders, and
the Buffalo Bills taking on the Kansasity Chiefs. There is
so much to get into, so much to get into,
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but let's start with with the Ravens Bills. That was
the last game of the night. Those were That's the
best matchup in terms of the possibility of a Super
Bowl coming out of either of those two teams. Right, Obviously,
the winner has to go through Kansas City in the snow.
In Buffalo, one two time MVP, another one who either
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may win his third or Josh Allen may win his
first epic quarterback duel. And yet two teams that with
these quarterbacks have not gone to or won a Super Bowl.
They have not had tremendous playoff success. And obviously the
Bills win. So there's a ton to talk about from
the game. I'll just relate this personally to me, which
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is yesterday we had our best chance to win a
conference game, and we had still without our leading scorer.
We had our fullest roster we've had to date, playing
at home against Youngstown State, the Penguins who have been
very very good and are up near the top of
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the league, and Youngstown State came in and we're up
ten with nine twenty to go, and I looked up
and I'm like, let's go, Fellas, let's close this thing out.
And we had the ball even down too with about
sixteen seconds ago, and turned it over and one of
their kids had a windmill dunk, which was nasty, nasty.
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We end up losing by four points. And when you
go back and you do the post mortem, yes, we
gave up thirteen offensive bords, but we lost because of
sixteen turnovers. They got twenty two more shots than we got.
So despite our efficiency at the offensive end, twenty two
more shots is it's just too hard to win that way.
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And a good portion of the ones they made were
off of those turnovers, especially late in the game. And
so when I watched this weekend, I thought turnovers are
the biggest story. And then when you watch the Bills
take on the Ravens, I thought that was the biggest story.
But we'll talk about Mark Andrews, who's a Hall of
Fame tight end with his fumble and then dropping the
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two point conversion in the end zone. Second, here's Lamar Jackson,
the two time MVP quarterback, on what went wrong. There's
a team effort.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You know, he'd been busting his behind making place happened
out downfield for us came more short and like I've
been saying all season, we have a situations like this,
turnovers a factor, pennanties factor today, Well tonight to turnover
had you know. And that's why we lost the game
because as you can see, moving the ball wonderfully is
hold on. Well, I'm sorry for my mangers, annoying Todd.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Here's his coach, John Harbaugh on why they lost the game.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
There's nobody that has more heart and cares more and
fights more than markus.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
We wouldn't be here without Mark Andrews.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
You know.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
That's that's what you say to him, So you know
it's it's it's like anything else.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I mean, destiny is a decision that you make.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
It's a decision is.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
How you handle what comes in your life.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Now, Marko handled fantastic like he always does because he's
because he's a high character person.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
He's a tough person and he's a good person.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So proud of him, just like I'm proud of all
the guys. All right, So so let's get to the
choking question. Did Mark Andrews choke I don't think he
choked on the fumble. Yeah, I don't know on the
catch himuse that's a choke or not. I mean, this
is the difference beteam playing sports and not playing sports.
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If you play sports, if you're the man in the arena,
you put yourself out there for that type of criticism.
But just a dreadful end to an unbelievable season for
a guy who everybody believes is like a remarkable player.
And maybe this is me now the coach, Maybe this
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is me the former athlete. Maybe this is just watching
the game as a curious observer. But yeah, I mean
I feel terrible for Mark Andrews. I guess, am I
supposed to dan byer, Am I supposed to crush him. Am.
I almost supposed to say that was it? You know,
you can't, like you can't drop that ball. But like again,
he's falling down the back of the in the front
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of the end zone on the sideline, like he catches it.
They go to likely go to overtime, or it's a
tie game, or maybe maybe the Bills come down and score.
I don't know, But to me, the bigger story was
always Lamar and our question about Lamar was, hey, can
he do it from the pocket eight R drive when
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you need a touchdown? And he just did. They just
didn't win. So I don't I'm having trouble trying to
process what I'm supposed to feel other than but I
feel like Buffalo survived and Baltimore, you know, cost themselves
a chance to get another shot at at Kansas City
this time in the playoffs by just too many turnovers
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and too many little mistakes.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
So Kirk Kurbstreet brought up the phrase lunatic fringe, and
it's becoming more and more to the mainstream dog and
to your point, the more that I have heard you
or seen others on social media. I don't think that
you need to rip Mark Andrews. I think that we
know what happened. In fact, if you actually look at
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what happened on the play, there was a point where
Lamar Pump faked a little bit, you know, hesitated, I think,
and was going towards the sidelines was wondering, hey, do
I got to stay in balance here? If I lose
my balance, make sure I'm in the end zone. All
of those things end up coming into to play on
a play like that, and plus you're trying to catch
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a rock that it is in single degree temperatures. It's
as easy as it play that it looked, and with
a professional wide receiver, I think it was a difficult play.
But I think to my point of saying a professional,
if you're a professional, you make that call catch. I
think that the lunatic fringe wants you to rip on
Mark Andrews today what.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I've seen on social media, and like most of it,
I'm sure the intent is funny, but you got all
these mob deals, like these mob movie scenes whatever, of
guys getting taken out, you know, like Mark Andrews, you know,
comes up to Jim Harbaugh's offense or to office whatever,
like what are we doing?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Like I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I'm a huge sports fan. I love especially with the
rest of my life in college basketball and the all
consuming undertaking it is to coach a college basketball team,
and especially one that's struggling and with younger players and
you're constantly teaching, so the respite from getting away the watching,
(08:15):
Like do you talk about lunatic fringe? Like if I
ever tweet anything about an NFL game, Like why aren't
you watching more film? Like huh? What like, I actually
really really enjoyed watching that. I was at one of
my friends at Donor's house last night, and I really
enjoyed watching it. And again, I don't know if this
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is the former athlete or the coach or just the
realistic person, but I thought that was a great football game.
It was great in that it was incredibly flawed. All
those games were and maybe the whole time, Dan, and
I don't want to be creepy about this, I was
thinking about you because you and I had had this
discussion about snow games, and here we had back to
back to back snow games, and I think the football
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purest or I don't know football piers, but a guy
who wants the best of the best in these playoffs
is like that sucked because the Rams literally couldn't hold
on the football. You couldn't throw a football in that game.
Even the Bills right barely through the football because they
knew the weather was that bad. They played smartly to
the weather. And to your point, like here you have
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a couple of the best. Cord Matt Stafford's one of
the best quarterbacks we've ever had. He's really really good.
Same can be said, obviously with Lamar's the two time
MVP and Josh Allen, and if those games are played
in domes, the passing is exquisite. It's unbelievable, but it
doesn't have the realness or the sloppiness of snow games.
I'm watching it and all I can think about is
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I can't wait to have this discussion with Dan about
did you like it or not like it? Because all
three of those games felt like they were kind of
the same in that you're trying to adjust and play
in elements which are borderline unplayable.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
I felt that the Rams and Eagles got to be
in extreme yes, whereas Buffalo and Baltimore dealt with the cold,
and there are limitations in dealing with the cold. I
don't think that they had to deal with the actual
elements like the Rams and Eagles did in that game.
Rams Eagles in the second half when it was at
its worst, was actually in the window where Carrie Roads
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and I do our show here on Fox Sports Radio,
and I did not waiver. To my point, I felt
that Matthew Stafford was muted. I felt that these teams
had governors on them in trying to manage and how
do you manage this game. It did make for interesting football.
It made for interesting decisions and what you were going
to do kicking and field position wise, there's all of that.
(10:40):
It still doesn't change my mind on what I want
to see in the most important games. But I don't
think Buffalo Baltimore was affected nearly as much as they
were in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Okay, I guess. So that's really interesting to me because
you love golf and yet you know, each one of
the major is different. Obviously, the US Open has gotten
criticized for years for being tricked up. Sometimes it's been
too hot, which dries out the greens too much. Of course,
you got the British Open, which you have no if
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the wind is blowing, it's completely different sport than the
wind isn't blowing when you play at any of these courses,
you know, in the Open Championship, and yet in football,
those same elements, which it's traditionally an element ridden game
you don't.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Like, completely different scenarios apples to oranges. In fact, the
weather is the opponent at times against the player in golf,
and the course or how you would play. It's different
when it's going head to head against someone guarding, someone blocking,
someone trying to run a route past someone. In golf,
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you're playing the course, you're playing the weather conditions. It's
almost that is the opponent in itself, and sometimes the
tougher opponent, the more fun that the games are. I
think we would say, and that does happen to golf
Birdie Fest aren't the greatest greatest things to watch?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
This past weekend?
Speaker 6 (12:09):
And Palm Desert twenty six under bar, I think people say, like,
all right, let's watch this guy struggle every now and then.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Okay, you're right, so why don't you want NFL guys
to struggle? I'm just in because look at the first
half of the Commander's Lions game. Obviously a bunch of
I mean, I was it thirty one to twenty one
to have, right, I mean, and you're sitting there going
like that's with no elements and still with turnovers and
on a fast track, and it was a fun watch,
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but it is kind of a birdie fest. And then
you turn on and you watch the other games and
they are complete blank shows because of the element.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
I'd rather watch the Masters in perfect conditions than to
have them deal with the the twenty and thirty mile
per hour gusts throughout the entire round, Like there's enough
of a challenge on amen corner. It's places to make
birdies and eagles, places to make the boogames and double.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Then if that's your feeling, then you're consistent. Then at
least you're consistent, Jay Stu, do you like watching games
like the Rams, like the Ravens. I'm going to disagree
with you on the Bills. How many times do they
throw the ball? They barely threw the football.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Ellen only had like one hundred and thirty yards passing
sixteen of twenty two.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, I mean it was like seven times in the
first half. I think he threw it through the ball.
So it's very very limited because they're playing the elements.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
True, but I would also say that if I'm Buffalo,
my game plan is to try to keep the ball
away from Baltimore and Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So I wouldn't buy Dereck Henry only sixteen touches, right,
sixteen touches.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, that was a complaints as well.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, okay, what about you, Jay Stu? Where are you
on the football in the elements?
Speaker 7 (13:50):
So we have this conversation. I know, six eight weeks ago,
and it was coming off of the Browns. I want
to say. It was a Thursday night game and it
was literally played in like powder. We're talking about like
full snow game. It wasn't like partially snowing, freezing. It
was like it was fun. And the takeaway the Deatra
was they shouldn't be allowed to put a dome in Cleveland.
(14:13):
If we can get a game like that every once
in a while, and I think all of our takeaways
was every once in a while, that's fun. But when
you're playing in games like this, when things actually matter,
and those conditions weren't fun. Those weren't like powder snow fun.
I thought the games suffered because of it. I think
the watching experience suffered.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yes, Sam, the snow and Philly didn't bother me. The
Rams actually were right on their scoring average for the season,
like I think they're av They came in averaging like
twenty one point seven. They scored twenty two.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
So you know he has to watch a different game, Sam,
What what do you mean they couldn't hold onto the
football they.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Come I know they're turning it over.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Matt's affort has one of the best arms in the
history of the NFL, they can't throw the football. So
if you think it didn't bother them, like, I don't know,
I never said that.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I just said that they scored on the Actually they
scored on their average of the scene.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
No, you started by saying, I don't think the snow
actually bothered them.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
It didn't bother me, is what I said. Okay, so
I thought it was cool. You know, the the Eagles
used it their advantage. There's clearly you know, could run
the ball in the snow and guys on the rams.
You know, defensive line did a lot of great things
that game. But you know some of those Barkley runs
they took off and really use it to their advantage.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
And this is not this is not new to the
National Football League.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
But here's the point is Jason pointed out we talked
about the Brown Steelers game. It was actually another game
after that that also then begged the conversation. And then
we had two this weekend, and we've had others.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
At times.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
I get it it's winter weather, but when we're trying
to determine the best teams, it's sometimes unfortunate that mother
nature ends up having the biggest role than the actual
two teams on the field. I don't mind if it's
ten degrees. If it's out there, it's cold, that's that's
what it is in January. But when you have the
snow and sleet and ice and whatever they were playing
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on in Philadelphia. Yeah, it was just I just it's
it's not a tough watch. It's just I would rather
have it the other way. I don't sit there and
hate it and turn it. I turn this channel. I
want to watch it. I just I imagine if Jayden
Daniels had to deal with that, we wouldn't have got
what he did on Saturday night, no question, So no question.
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That's That's kind of what I'm getting to.
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for you. Also really good pod that I'm gonna ask
Jason for some real feedback on blogger hate that I receive,
how to handle blogger hate that I receive. But with
the weekend in the bank and a new week ahead
of us, we do this every Monday, we kind of
encapsulate all of our feelings, whether it's about the Rams
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loss sorry Ramos, or the Eagles or the Lions boally
out of the playoffs early, the NFC North and that
debacle that they had in the playoffs. Whatever it is.
Would you love would you hate? It could be anything
from the weekend. We call it love and hate.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
What did you love? God?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I love you? And what did you hate? Meet these
player hays love love love love love, love, love, love, hate,
hate hate hate. Let's start with love. Dan Byer, what'd
you love for the weekend?
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Doug, You're gonna find this crazy what I'm about to say,
because the conditions were so bad in Philadelphia. I love
the decision making that was going on in that contest,
And I mentioned earlier in the show when I was
defending the right to have the best conditions possible for
these games that mean so much when Carrie Rhodes and
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I were on the air on Fox Sports Radio for
the second half of that game. Because the conditions were
so bad, it allowed, well allowed myself to play some
armchair quarterback, armchair head coach, where you would make decisions
that you never would have made in any other regular
football game. But again, it's because the conditions were so
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bad and because a lot was on the line. In fact,
your season was on the line because it was the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Doug.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
At one point I thought that the Eagles should have
punted from the rams thirty one yard line. I felt
it was so difficult for the Rams to get ten yards,
twenty yards, thirty yards that even if you had the
opportunity to take the football and gain fifteen yards of
field position, or even eleven yards if you have punted
it into the end zone, that that would have been
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a smart play. We saw the Rams sack Jalen Hurts
for a safety when they were backed up because you
were so limited. It was just a completely different game
of strategy for I would say about ten minutes of
that fourth quarter. Then when Saquon broke off his run,
the Eagles kind of laid off and the Rams went
down and scored, and then you had a.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Three and out.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
But it just allowed for a whole different way of
thinking because the conditions were so so bad.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. The Bobby Bouchet offense is
what you're talking about, right, Our best offense is actually
our defense. Problem was Rams could hold on the ball
when they'd run it. They fumbled the ball when they
ran it, and that was the real killer when they're
only down a point after that safety.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
The Kyraen Williams fumble was a killer, but they were
then able to at least keep them at bay by
holding them to a field goal. And then Stafford took
a sack and fumbled on the next possession when they
were trying to throw the ball, and that allowed Philadelphia
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then to end up kicking another field goal. Then the
Rams punted and then set it up for Saquon's run,
sure which then they missed the extra point. It allowed
the Rams to still have life.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It was all crazy, Iowa Sam.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
I don't care for Taylor Swift's music. I don't mind her,
you know, her popularity. I'm not a fan of hers.
I think she's fine, like you know, people, a lot
of millions of people enjoy her music. I'm getting sick
of the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
They're doing a lot of winning. That's why I'm sick
of them. But overall, I loved seeing Caitlyn Clark in
the Taylor Swift suite with watching her kanc City Chiefs.
She has been a legitimate fan since she was a
little girl. And you know, I'm all things Kaitlyn Clark.
So although I'm pretty tired of the uh the old
(21:45):
ketchup City Chiefs there and they're red jerseys and they're
they're winning ways and there what seventh straight AFC Championship
Game appearance, the fact of the matter is, uh, Kayln
Clark is getting to see one of her favorite musicians,
probably her favorite overall musician, and so getting a hang
with Taylor Swift keatond Clark up there. There's a lot
of horsepower up there in that box. I Uh, I
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loved it. I loved it because I got she got
to live out her dream.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Uh just do.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
I think the team that won the weekend was not
playing football? And I'm about to explain the Dodgers signed
the most coveted Japanese picture of the offseason. I think
his name is Roki Sasaki. Filthy guy that we could add.
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And when I say we, we Dodger fans could add
to our rotation. And then they got the most coveted
closer in baseball over the weekend, Tanner Scott. Tanner Scott
was a Padre last year. The Padres gave up a
ton of capital, a ton of draft picks, and then
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lost Tanner Scott, and the Dodgers just signed him. And
then I just saw Padres Twitter, Giants Twitter, and Baseball
Twitter all weekend complaining about the Dodgers complaining about it.
This isn't fair. It's like, what would you have them do?
We get pissed off when owners pocket the revenues they
bring in. Why would you get pissed off at owners
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that actually put money back into the team. They are
the largest revenue generating team. I think now with the
Yankees that MSG deal isn't as big as it used
to be, or the Yes deal I'm sorry. So they're
actually reinvesting their profits into their team. Why should anybody
have a problem with that? So? I love the Dodgers.
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I love what they did this weekend. They've obviously told
Andrew Friedman that your cute little ways didn't work. So
the last two off seasons they've just spent a crapload
of money.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Thank you, Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
It's cute little ways didn't work.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Is cute little ways would get us to the division
round and fail. But this way won Spend as much
money as you can and we won.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Isn't Andrew Freeman still their general manager?
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Yes, but I think he was under a mandate starting
last off season. We've done it your way. You found
little value here and there, you found little gems. You
tried to be cute, you tried to be economical. All right,
let's forget that. Let's just spend as much money as
we can each of the next two off seasons, and
we'll see which way works.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I loved watching the Washington Commanders. I thought that was incredible.
The twenty eight point second quarter. I just that was incredible. Obviously,
Jared Goff with the interceptions and and the lines had
just been decimated. I'm not sure they're defense. This was
great to begin with, but just decimated by injuries. But
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you know, I like the cuff Kingsmury angle to it
as well, like that guy can coach some offensive football.
Those two are on the same page, and I mean
he's just a maze. Kid's incredible, kids incredible. If you
would have said, which one of these two guys has played,
you know, almost a decade in the NFL and played
in the Super Bowl, and which one is a rookie,
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you go like, well, Jaden Daniels is the one that's
played ten years in Jared Goffs the rookie, and that
wasn't the case. I thoroughly and completely enjoyed watching him
play football on Saturday night. That's my love. All Right,
let's get to the hate, Jay Steu, this is right
up your alley.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Go for it.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
I can't stand uh Padres, Twitter, Giants, Twitter, Baseball Twitter.
I can't stand them for having a problem with the
way the Dodgers do business.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
That's what I hate.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
I also hate this. I watched a movie over the
weekend called conc Live Okay, and it has a very
controversial ending, extremely controversial ending that will make right wingers
very uncomfortable. But I found that the reaction when I
(26:25):
went on Twitter to this movie to be completely unreasonable.
Just because there is a controversial character and storyline does
not mean that quote Hollywood now sucks. There is the
(26:45):
best storytelling and probably the best TV streaming shows around.
Hollywood doesn't suck. Just because there's a subject matter that
disagrees with your sensibilities doesn't mean quote Hollywood has no
good ideas.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
So that's what I hate, Dan Byer, Doug.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
It's interesting because on the heels of your love is
actually where my hate is born. I hate that the
Lions are knocked out of it. I look at this
past season and I think many people were like me
that if your favorite team couldn't go to the super Bowl,
you were pulling for the Lions to do so. And
I'm interested in Jason's opinion, and Doug, I'm interested in
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your opinion on this because I also brought this up.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
In my show yesterday with Carrie Rhodes.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
It's difficult for me to look at the Commanders as
a feel good team because my most impressionable years in
sports were my youth, between probably eight and fifteen years old,
and during those times, maybe six or seven, Washington won
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three Super Bowls. Washington was one of the better teams
in the NFC, competing with the forty nine Ers and
Bears and Giants at that time. So even though it's
been thirty two years, I remember a time when Washington
was really really good. I don't ever remember a time
when Detroit was really really good. So I was pulling
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for the Lions on Saturday Night, and as soon as
Jared Goff fumbled when they're up seven to three on
the third and one, I thought, oh, so this is
how it's going to go. I knew it from that
point they were not winning that game. It was not
going to happen. The Commanders knocked me out of a
Survivor pool in Week three because the Bengals couldn't force
a punt and it just had that sort of feel
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where you were not going to stop them on offense.
And so I hated seeing the Lions lose. Maybe not
so much to the Commanders, but I just am comparing
the wind Streaks or the I guess win droughts of
the two franchises, and it's just tough for me to
look at the Commanders as a Cinderella because I remember
when they were ten kicking the Broncos butt up in
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down the field in the Super Bowl against the Denver
Broncos super Bowl twenty two. I hated seeing the Lions
get knocked out.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Okay, it makes sense, Yeah, They've They're like, what are
they coming back from? You know, they're coming back from
like a toxic owner who ruined a franchise with his
decisions and the atmosphere that he created around him. So
it's not like a feel good thing. They've just kind
of returned to normalcy kind of a thing. And the
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lines you just got to feel for They've They've just
been bad and now it's over.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
No, I think a lot of people feel that way.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I would agree with that. That last part of the
segment stuck got Leap Sugar on Fox Sports Radio. I
I hated that. For Mark Andrews. I just did I
know him a little bit. I've always been enamored with
his talent and he just seems like a great dude.
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And I don't know, tight ends always catch that stuff.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
It's like even when they get old, they can't move.
Antonio Gates when he came back out of retirement, like
they still catch everything and like the one guy you
would think would always catch that ball. Especially talk about
in terms of sports getting your what's it called when
you bounce back from something you not a reclamation? Reclamation
(30:30):
is sort of it, but redemption, the sports redemption within
the game, he fumbled sports redemption supposed to be he
catches that one and then maybe he catches a touchdown
pass in overtime and they went So. I hated that
from Mark Andrews. I, you know, don't have a dog
in that fight, and it would have been amazing to
see Josh Allen in a tie game. But I hated
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it for Mark Andrews.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Really did I know these professional pass can I still
think the play is a little bit more difficult than
it just appears on the surface.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I know it's more difficult than appears. You're you're right,
but as you said before, he's a professional pass catcher.
Got catch that ball, Got catch that ball.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
What was the tweet that you shared with us? Was
it during the podcast?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yes, breaking this from David Berg breaking Joe Biden issues
pardoned to Mark Andrews.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
I mean, there were some really funny memes.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
That was funny and a lot of people brought attention
to the fact that the Ravens social media right before
the game posted a picture of Andrews and his shorts
catching passes before the game with a caption, the snow
does not bother Mark Andrews.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Oops. Yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Oops. And that is love and hate.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
What about Sam's hates?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Oh, I'm sorry, Sam, My bad. I usually go to
throw everybody from me, Sam. What'd you hate this weekend?
Speaker 4 (32:12):
All good? By the way?
Speaker 5 (32:15):
That might that might be the most sympathetic I've ever
heard you towards a former Sooner, Doug Mark Andrews, one
of your rivals to the Oklahoma State Cowboys. But sympathy tlby.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Heath didn't go to you. But he was essentially a
Sooner and obviously he's a friend, and when he passed away,
it was just awful. But it's more about people than
it is where they played.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I hear you.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
My hate of this weekend is the state of Iowa basketball,
both the women's state currently and the men's state. Let's
start with the women. They've lost five straight games. They
still have a team, They just kidding. They've lost five
straight games. Just just how many games they lost all
of last year. The five game winning streak has to
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be the longest in probably a decade. They're missing Kitlin
Clark and Lisa Bluta right now for sure. They're well
under five hundred to the Big Ten, and the men
switching over to them, they're under five hundred the Big Ten.
Usually every year I can bank on either the men
or the women being good and going to the NCAA Tournament,
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and if they're both, I just this year I'm like
kind of scratching my head a little bit, like they're both.
They both could miss the NCAA Tournament, which is kind
of shocking, especially when the women's program went to the
championship game last year, obviously with one of the best
players that basketball has ever seen.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
But would you back Iowa State tournament? Well, I mean,
I don't know. I want to know any answer.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Right now, it's January twenty five, No Hawk guys in
the men's bracket. Would you support the Iowa State Cyclones
and they're run to a final four?
Speaker 5 (34:02):
What does support mean?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Like?
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Wear their shirt, cheer them on, want them to win.
Sure they can, that'd be cool if they go to
a final four. Thing you just called dugout for liking
a sooner. Yeah, you're gonna cheer for Iowa State sounds
like a double standard.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Sam.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
I just want to share with you guys the fact
that I was at poly Pavilion Friday night for the
first time to see that venue, and UCLA made their
first nine shots of the game, and there was never
a point in that game where Iowa was even competing.
It was just out of control within minutes the men's
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team and so Iowa gave up round between a trip
to USC and a trip to UCLA, they gave up
about ninety six points a game. So it's it's pretty
it's pretty bad around. The defense is bad, and uh,
you know Iowa's the Iowa men were part of my
love last weekend, and now it's just all gone sour,
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It's all gone south.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
I have a question for Doug.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
Yes, because I know your relationship and friendship with Fran McCaffrey. Yes,
would you feel comfortable or uncomfortable if Sam would have
asked you to get tickets from Fran?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Sam got his own tickets.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
But totally totally comfortable.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I mean, because I know Mick as well, I mean
that wouldn't have been. Yeah, but yeah, totally comfortable.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
But I sit like by the Iowa fans. It could have,
you know, you could have.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
I did get free tickets to the UCLA game. Thank you,
Dave Weese from KLAC. Appreciate that. So easy to get there.
It was great to see the venue. But they lost
ninety four to seventy and at some point, at various
points in the game, UCLA was up by thirty some points.
It was just it was just there's nothing to take
nothing positive to take away from it except getting to
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hang with lead to Lap and Big Mike who runs
this place, who joined me for the game, and having
a spicy sausage a hot dog thing and some spicy
mustard into halapinos. And that was that kicked my button
a good way.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Thanks for the invite, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
I think I didn't I invite you, Dan, No, No,
that did not happen. Well, I didn't know if you'd
want to see UCI le Iowa game. So yeah, I
don't like college basketball. You go, all right, So there
answer your question right there.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
That was sarcasting by below.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
He doesn't like it this year because of how is
Buckeyes are doing.
Speaker 8 (36:21):
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Speaker 1 (36:29):
App the Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. I will
tell you that I struggle with Saquon Barkley being on
the Eagles because Saquon Barkley is just a likable dude, right,
and the Eagles are an unlikable bunch. They just are. Nonetheless,
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they're one went away from another Super Bowl despite their
pretty open dysfunction right within with parts of their team.
Here's our head coach Nick Sirianni talking about the luxury
of having Sekwon Barkley.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
How much of a luxury is it?
Speaker 7 (37:08):
They have Barley, who is able to given the conditions
or not in the conditions, It don't matter where.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
It's a luxury to have him, that's for darn sure.
I love them.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
I can't say enough good things about him in the
in the leadership that he brings to this football team,
and he's special.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
So there is one thing that's really interesting, Dan, in
that I do understand. I'm not saying that you're alone
in your feelings, and in many ways you're not wrong
you're actually right, right, because it's one of the reasons
that the Super Bowl. There's the main reason the Super
Bowl is almost always played in warm weather cities or
in domes, is so the best the best look like
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they're the best, right, the same reason that they don't
call a lot of penalties. They want a great game,
They want the overall talent to come out. But when
you're constructing a football team, and you have to understand that,
like right now, the AFC, you're gonna have to play
in Kansas City, Right, You're gonna have to play in
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Kansas City, and Kansas City in January. The weather you
have no idea. You know, it's super frigid today. I
have no idea what it's supposed to be like Sunday.
But you're gonna have to play in Kansas City. And
if not Kansas City, it's been Baltimore, it's been Pittsburgh.
It's generally been terrible weather cities in the NFC. You
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know Philly, obviously, you have Dallas, San Francisco where last
year wasn't last year the Niners game that played in
the rain, San Francisco, Right, So elements are gonna be
a factor, and you have to. And for years the
AFC went through New England and you could count on
the weather being bad in New England. So you have
to construct your football team in a way in which
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if you can throw it through the wind, you better
find ways to get rid of it really, really quickly.
And you better find ways to stop the run because
in the weather, you know, that's what's gonna happen. Hard
to build. I mean it's the Saints, you know, when
they went to the Super Bowl, right obviously went through
New Orleans. They were built to play in a dome,
and how many you know. I'm watching the Rams struggle
(39:11):
against the Eagles, and I'm like, well, this is like
the eighties Rams when they would come out of they
played outdoors, when you play in southern California. Now you
got to play in the conditions in Chicago against eighty
five Bears and they fell apart. I remember that game. So,
I you are right, But you also have to understand
in terms of roster construction that if you play in
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these types of conditions to get to a Super Bowl,
you're gonna have to run the football. You're gonna have
to stop the run. Sometimes you gonna have to play
little left hand. I am.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
I am so glad you brought that up, because those
are all legitimate fair points. And it actually runs into
the face of what the NFL has become is because
now the NFL has become such an offensive quarterback dependent game,
where twenty eight out of the thirty two teams play
that same sort of game, where that's how they feel
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they're going to get success. Then this just flies in
the face of that. So you're supposed to take four
teams that are going to say, we're not gonna We're
not gonna build our team that way. We're not going
to construct our team that way, and the hopes that
we can navigate this regular season and then when it
comes playoff time it's good and Doug you're you're right,
and I'll tell you what that recipe does work. It's
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why the Titans a few years ago were able to
run over everybody because everybody has two hundred and fifty
pounds defensive ends, yeah, you know, or edge rushers, so
you just take Derrick Henry and you end up trying
to run over them and there is an opportunity for
a mismatch there. But the whole thinking of the elements
does fly in the face of what the NFL has
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made their game to be, and that is a quarterback
dependent football game.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
It's great point, streat point. I actually, I know we
want to talk about the Eagles, but I actually think
that's what makes the Ravens thing even more curious. Right, Like,
the Ravens haven't been successful in the playoffs, and yesterday's
game couldn't have been set up any better for the
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way in which they play, right, the way in which
they play, which is, you have arguably or maybe inarguably
the best running back I guess sake one's the best
run backs, probably the second best running back in the playoffs,
and a dynamic straight line downhill Christian Nakoye. Good luck
tackling Derrick Henry. You actually have a change of pace
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as well. And then you got the best running quarterback
we've ever had in the NFL. And and of the turnovers,
of the turnovers and they had, they had what three turnovers?
One was Lamar fumbling in the pocket, but one was
an interception which he took, you know, I didn't look
(41:53):
out for safety and overthrow. And then one was when
Andrews caught the ball and had it punched out like
the two of them were throwing the football and look,
they may have fumbled it running in two but it
is fascinating that here's a team that we talk about
the elements they are built for way more than Buffalo.
They got three great options running the football, and of
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their turnovers, which were their real undoing, two of them
were throwing the football and honestly, even the one in
which he lost it in the back that he fumbled it,
that was an RPO where he felt like he couldn't
throw it because his linemen were down the field.
Speaker 6 (42:29):
Well, I'll just say this because I know TJ's on hold.
I watched the thirty for thirty Tuck Rule this past weekend.
It re aired and Tom Brady was talking about how
he loved the conditions in that game because everything slowed
down for.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Him as a young quarterback.
Speaker 6 (42:43):
I don't know if it was a disadvantage for the
veteran quarterbacks or not, but he said, at the time,
everything slowed down for me and as a younger quarterback,
that really helped.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Doug Gottliebs show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Dampire. Let's welcome in, TJ. Huschminzada of course,
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Elements were in full effect in three of those four games.
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Are you a fan of football in the snow football
in the wind?
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I mean, I'm not a fan of playing it. And
when you watch it, because you're not in the element,
you're like, oh, this is cool. But when you're playing
that type of stuff, it's the worst. Man, It really
is the worst because you get certain teams that they
they're not at their best in those conditions. But both
teams are on the field, so both teams are in
the same uh environment, You have the same conditions and
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you got to make the most of it. But as
a player, you kind of deal with it. But nobody
likes it.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Stug gottlab Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, uh,
let's let's get to the Lions. What's your reaction to
to Dan Campbell breaking down saying it was all his fault?
Speaker 3 (44:02):
We all know that that wasn't Dan Campbell's fault. Man
when you see your head coach show that type of emotion,
that type of emotion because they lost a game that
probably ninety nine percent of people outside of the Commanders
fans thought they would win. I thought they would win,
and you just pick it was a bad time for
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Jared Golf to play the type of game that he played,
and but they just couldn't defensively, it was they couldn't
get a stop, they couldn't stop Jade Daniels. I think
Dan Campbell really felt they would win that game, and
the emotion just came out. And as a player, if
I would play time and I see my coach do that,
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I would feel bad that he felt that way, because
we own a game. We got to get it done ourselves.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Okay, so let's let's get to that. I mean, how
much do you put on golf? How much do you
put on you know, Ben Johnson with a trick play
in the fourth quarter that has a wide receiver throw
an interception.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Well, obviously looking back on it, he's like, oh, why
do he call that play? But Ben Johnson has been
money because he's been a coordinator with his play selection,
the timing of his place selection. That play didn't work.
And I know how that play as coach. It's very simple,
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famous and if he's not wide open, run it or
throw it away. If there's anybody around, don't run it
or throw it away. But because they were down Jamison Williams,
he just he took the chance. The chance didn't pay off. Obviously,
looking back on it, Monday morning, quarterback, why'd you call
that play? But I'm not gonna question somebody that I
still has done a hell of a job with the
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timing of the plays that he calls.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
By the way, I think we have some breaking news
in regards to Ben Johnson. Let's go to Dan Byer,
who's at the news desk, and when he.
Speaker 8 (46:00):
Got breaking news from Fox Sport.
Speaker 6 (46:05):
Multiple reports say that the Chicago Bears will name Lions
offensive coordinator Ben Johnson as their new head coach.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Does it feel that anybody else like the Lions window
just closed?
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (46:18):
They're gonna lose their offensive coordinator, gonna lose their defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
The that's a great thing for the Bears. And I
told a buddy of mine and they can attest to this. Uh.
Last week I said, if the Bears do not name
a coach by Wednesday. Ben Johnson is going to be
their coach. They're waiting until the Lions get eliminated in
he plays for the Bears. So if he hears this,
he's gonna know that I told him this. I felt
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like Ben Johnson was an obvious choice, and the Bears
waited and it was it was kind of, Oh, the
Bears haven't hired anybody. No, they've hired somebody. They're just
waiting on Ben Johnson to get knocked out or the
Detroit Lions will win it. All I believe is to
knock them out the park higher his creativity obviously, now
he'd get to play the Lions a lot more. He's
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very familiar with him, but he's not going to a
Bear cover to Chicago. They got pieces, they have weapons,
and so I think the Bears many thought they would
compete for the playoffs this year, and I was one
of many people. They for sure what Ben Johnson is,
they will compete for the playoffs next He's a great higher.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
In my opinion Stug Gottleab show here on Fox Sports Radio,
how do you what Jane Damas is doing is incredible,
incredible as a guy who has played at this level,
in the NFL. What do you see when you see
the Commanders go on the road and play with that
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level of confidence and be Detroit man.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Jay and Daniels is the best rookie we've ever seen.
I don't think we'll ever do. National Football League may
never see this again, what Jaydan and Daniels doing. I
don't think people understand, not how good, how great of
the season this young man has had. It's unbelievable. He's
making it look easy. This is his first year in
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the league and they were, oh, they need another weapon.
All they have is Terry McLaurin. Jade and Daniels is
unbelievably good as a rookie. It's going to be scary
when he really gets comfortable, because he's not even comfortable.
You know, he has that smile. He's always smiling during
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the game. When that boy gets comfortable, it's gonna be scary.
And I felt like he had an opportunity to be
the best rookie quarterback, but I wasn't sure with dan Quinn.
Just let kings Perry kind of do what he wants
to do, and he did so. Now Kingsberry in turn,
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he's gonna be like Ben Johnson. He's gonna have this
pick of the letter. Wait till you get to the
perfect city situation before you take the job. You don't
have to rush into a job because you know you
got a quarterback that's gonna put you a position every
single year.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Steut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
let's get to the Ravens. How do you view Mark
Andrews with the fumble? Mark Andrews dropped the two point conversion.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
It sucks, Mark Man. I played for the Ravens and
I pretty much did the same thing that Mark Andrews
did in the playoff game to go to the AFC Championship.
I didn't drop a touchdown, but I dropped the ball
on fourth down. So I know what he's going through.
The anger, the disappointment, the frustration, the disbelief, like did
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I really just dropped this ball? And so I feel
bad for him because I've been in his shoes. I've
been in that situation. I thought the Ravens would represent
the AFC ont of the Super Bowl. I'm obviously wrong.
You just got to keep moving, man. There's nothing you
can do. It's happened. You can't go back and change it.
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They did not play a good football game and they
still had a chance to win. Lamar Jackson threw for
twice as many yards as Josh Allin, a yard away
from having twice as many rushing yards, but the costly
turnovers is what killed the raiding. But from Mark Andrews, man,
I feel bad for him, I'm sure that's no motivating
but it's really nothing you can do about that. Man. Obviously,
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he probably catches that ball ninety nine out of one hundred.
That one time he doesn't catch it, it costs his team,
and fans are cruel. Man, people are cruel. You're probably
gonna get all kind of crazy message on social media
and for all you dumbasses that send him a message,
you couldn't do what he was doing, so shut your mouth.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
How responsible for the chief success or officials?
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Doug, I'm not gonna lie, man. The Chiefs are good,
but everybody knows it's I'm just getting off the field
with training, guys. Man, everybody says the same thing, Why
do the Chiefs get all the calls? Every player says
the same thing. This is worldwide across the National Football League.
They're like, why are they even playing the games. If
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they just gonna give it to the Chiefs, I get it.
If it's close call the penalty to benefit the quarterback,
then't do it for everybody. Don't just do it for Mahomes.
Jared Golf almost got decapitated. You didn't see that. You
didn't see that one. Jenen Hurst got hit two yards
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out of bounds. You didn't see that one either. But
if best Patrick Mahomes, everybody believes that's going to be
a penalty. And we talk about the integrity of the game.
If we are going to protect the quarterbacks like we
all want, let's protect all of them. Because now everybody,
even the players that are playing in the league, still
like when we play the Chiefs, they're going to get
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calls that we don't get it. You don't want that
to be the case. The Miko ryans we're playing against
every everybody. You know what he means. When Joe Mixon
comes out and says it, Now, it's going to become
like a why are they the only team that gets
these type of calls? And it sucks because they're not
getting their credit because they're really good, man, they're really good.
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Their get calls that everybody doesn't get so you kind
of gloss over the fact that they're a really good team.
But it's talked about a ton.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
TJ. Huschmans outa check out up on Game downloaded wherever
you download podcast, or you can listen to it live
on Fox Sports Fox Sports Radio every Saturday morning. Who's
you the best man?
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Thanks for joining us, Doug, I'm the second best man,
You the best.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Keep it going, buddy, all right, thanks, thanks. Who's
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crazy weekend in the NFL. Stop me, you heard this before,
but people think the officials seem to like the Kansasity Chiefs.
I know, I know, Stop me if you heard this before.
But and you gotta be of my age or around
my age. The rams might struggle playing in cold weather.
I know, I know, Stop me if you heard this before.
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A right, just kind of go through all these Nonetheless,
we're left with the Eagles taking on the Commanders, and
the Buffalo Bills taking on the Kansasity Chiefs. There is
so much to get into, so much to get into,
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but let's start with with the Ravens Bills. That was
the last game of the night. Those were That's the
best matchup in terms of the possibility of a Super
Bowl coming out of either of those two teams. Right, Obviously,
the winner has to go through Kansas City in the snow.
In Buffalo, one two time MVP, another one who either
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may win his third or Josh Allen may win his
first epic quarterback duel. And yet two teams that with
these quarterbacks have not gone to or won a Super Bowl.
They have not had tremendous playoff success. And obviously the
Bills win. So there's a ton to talk about from
the game. I'll just relate this personally to me, which
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is yesterday we had our best chance to win a
conference game, and we had still without our leading scorer.
We had our fullest roster we've had to date, playing
at home against Youngstown State, the Penguins who have been
very very good and are up near the top of
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the league, and Youngstown State came in and we're up
ten with nine twenty to go, and I looked up
and I'm like, let's go, Fellas, let's close this thing out.
And we had the ball even down too with about
sixteen seconds ago, and turned it over and one of
their kids had a windmill dunk, which was nasty, nasty.
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We end up losing by four points. And when you
go back and you do the post mortem, yes, we
gave up thirteen offensive bords, but we lost because of
sixteen turnovers. They got twenty two more shots than we got.
So despite our efficiency at the offensive end, twenty two
more shots is it's just too hard to win that way.
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And a good portion of the ones they made were
off of those turnovers, especially late in the game. And
so when I watched this weekend, I thought turnovers are
the biggest story. And then when you watch the Bills
take on the Ravens, I thought that was the biggest story.
But we'll talk about Mark Andrews, who's a Hall of
Fame tight end with his fumble and then dropping the
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two point conversion in the end zone. Second, here's Lamar Jackson,
the two time MVP quarterback, on what went wrong. There's
a team effort.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You know, he'd been busting his behind making place happened
out downfield for us came more short and like I've
been saying all season, we have a situations like this,
turnovers a factor, pennanties factor today, Well tonight to turnover
had you know. And that's why we lost the game
because as you can see, moving the ball wonderfully is
hold on. Well, I'm sorry for my mangers, annoying Todd.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Here's his coach, John Harbaugh on why they lost the game.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
There's nobody that has more heart and cares more and
fights more than markus.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
We wouldn't be here without Mark Andrews.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
You know.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
That's that's what you say to him, So you know
it's it's it's like anything else.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I mean, destiny is a decision that you make.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
It's a decision is.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
How you handle what comes in your life.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Now, Marko handled fantastic like he always does because he's
because he's a high character person.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
He's a tough person and he's a good person.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So proud of him, just like I'm proud of all
the guys. All right, So so let's get to the
choking question. Did Mark Andrews choke I don't think he
choked on the fumble. Yeah, I don't know on the
catch himuse that's a choke or not. I mean, this
is the difference beteam playing sports and not playing sports.
(05:07):
If you play sports, if you're the man in the arena,
you put yourself out there for that type of criticism.
But just a dreadful end to an unbelievable season for
a guy who everybody believes is like a remarkable player.
And maybe this is me now the coach, Maybe this
(05:29):
is me the former athlete. Maybe this is just watching
the game as a curious observer. But yeah, I mean
I feel terrible for Mark Andrews. I guess, am I
supposed to dan byer, Am I supposed to crush him. Am.
I almost supposed to say that was it? You know,
you can't, like you can't drop that ball. But like again,
he's falling down the back of the in the front
(05:50):
of the end zone on the sideline, like he catches it.
They go to likely go to overtime, or it's a
tie game, or maybe maybe the Bills come down and score.
I don't know, But to me, the bigger story was
always Lamar and our question about Lamar was, hey, can
he do it from the pocket eight R drive when
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you need a touchdown? And he just did. They just
didn't win. So I don't I'm having trouble trying to
process what I'm supposed to feel other than but I
feel like Buffalo survived and Baltimore, you know, cost themselves
a chance to get another shot at at Kansas City
this time in the playoffs by just too many turnovers
(06:32):
and too many little mistakes.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
So Kirk Kurbstreet brought up the phrase lunatic fringe, and
it's becoming more and more to the mainstream dog and
to your point, the more that I have heard you
or seen others on social media. I don't think that
you need to rip Mark Andrews. I think that we
know what happened. In fact, if you actually look at
(06:53):
what happened on the play, there was a point where
Lamar Pump faked a little bit, you know, hesitated, I think,
and was going towards the sidelines was wondering, hey, do
I got to stay in balance here? If I lose
my balance, make sure I'm in the end zone. All
of those things end up coming into to play on
a play like that, and plus you're trying to catch
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a rock that it is in single degree temperatures. It's
as easy as it play that it looked, and with
a professional wide receiver, I think it was a difficult play.
But I think to my point of saying a professional,
if you're a professional, you make that call catch. I
think that the lunatic fringe wants you to rip on
Mark Andrews today what.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I've seen on social media, and like most of it,
I'm sure the intent is funny, but you got all
these mob deals, like these mob movie scenes whatever, of
guys getting taken out, you know, like Mark Andrews, you know,
comes up to Jim Harbaugh's offense or to office whatever,
like what are we doing?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Like I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I'm a huge sports fan. I love especially with the
rest of my life in college basketball and the all
consuming undertaking it is to coach a college basketball team,
and especially one that's struggling and with younger players and
you're constantly teaching, so the respite from getting away the watching,
(08:15):
Like do you talk about lunatic fringe? Like if I
ever tweet anything about an NFL game, Like why aren't
you watching more film? Like huh? What like, I actually
really really enjoyed watching that. I was at one of
my friends at Donor's house last night, and I really
enjoyed watching it. And again, I don't know if this
(08:36):
is the former athlete or the coach or just the
realistic person, but I thought that was a great football game.
It was great in that it was incredibly flawed. All
those games were and maybe the whole time, Dan, and
I don't want to be creepy about this, I was
thinking about you because you and I had had this
discussion about snow games, and here we had back to
back to back snow games, and I think the football
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purest or I don't know football piers, but a guy
who wants the best of the best in these playoffs
is like that sucked because the Rams literally couldn't hold
on the football. You couldn't throw a football in that game.
Even the Bills right barely through the football because they
knew the weather was that bad. They played smartly to
the weather. And to your point, like here you have
(09:20):
a couple of the best. Cord Matt Stafford's one of
the best quarterbacks we've ever had. He's really really good.
Same can be said, obviously with Lamar's the two time
MVP and Josh Allen, and if those games are played
in domes, the passing is exquisite. It's unbelievable, but it
doesn't have the realness or the sloppiness of snow games.
I'm watching it and all I can think about is
(09:40):
I can't wait to have this discussion with Dan about
did you like it or not like it? Because all
three of those games felt like they were kind of
the same in that you're trying to adjust and play
in elements which are borderline unplayable.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
I felt that the Rams and Eagles got to be
in extreme yes, whereas Buffalo and Baltimore dealt with the cold,
and there are limitations in dealing with the cold. I
don't think that they had to deal with the actual
elements like the Rams and Eagles did in that game.
Rams Eagles in the second half when it was at
its worst, was actually in the window where Carrie Roads
(10:17):
and I do our show here on Fox Sports Radio,
and I did not waiver. To my point, I felt
that Matthew Stafford was muted. I felt that these teams
had governors on them in trying to manage and how
do you manage this game. It did make for interesting football.
It made for interesting decisions and what you were going
to do kicking and field position wise, there's all of that.
(10:40):
It still doesn't change my mind on what I want
to see in the most important games. But I don't
think Buffalo Baltimore was affected nearly as much as they
were in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Okay, I guess. So that's really interesting to me because
you love golf and yet you know, each one of
the major is different. Obviously, the US Open has gotten
criticized for years for being tricked up. Sometimes it's been
too hot, which dries out the greens too much. Of course,
you got the British Open, which you have no if
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the wind is blowing, it's completely different sport than the
wind isn't blowing when you play at any of these courses,
you know, in the Open Championship, and yet in football,
those same elements, which it's traditionally an element ridden game
you don't.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Like, completely different scenarios apples to oranges. In fact, the
weather is the opponent at times against the player in golf,
and the course or how you would play. It's different
when it's going head to head against someone guarding, someone blocking,
someone trying to run a route past someone. In golf,
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you're playing the course, you're playing the weather conditions. It's
almost that is the opponent in itself, and sometimes the
tougher opponent, the more fun that the games are. I
think we would say, and that does happen to golf
Birdie Fest aren't the greatest greatest things to watch?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
This past weekend?
Speaker 6 (12:09):
And Palm Desert twenty six under bar, I think people say, like,
all right, let's watch this guy struggle every now and then.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Okay, you're right, so why don't you want NFL guys
to struggle? I'm just in because look at the first
half of the Commander's Lions game. Obviously a bunch of
I mean, I was it thirty one to twenty one
to have, right, I mean, and you're sitting there going
like that's with no elements and still with turnovers and
on a fast track, and it was a fun watch,
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but it is kind of a birdie fest. And then
you turn on and you watch the other games and
they are complete blank shows because of the element.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
I'd rather watch the Masters in perfect conditions than to
have them deal with the the twenty and thirty mile
per hour gusts throughout the entire round, Like there's enough
of a challenge on amen corner. It's places to make
birdies and eagles, places to make the boogames and double.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Then if that's your feeling, then you're consistent. Then at
least you're consistent, Jay Stu, do you like watching games
like the Rams, like the Ravens. I'm going to disagree
with you on the Bills. How many times do they
throw the ball? They barely threw the football.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Ellen only had like one hundred and thirty yards passing
sixteen of twenty two.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, I mean it was like seven times in the
first half. I think he threw it through the ball.
So it's very very limited because they're playing the elements.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
True, but I would also say that if I'm Buffalo,
my game plan is to try to keep the ball
away from Baltimore and Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So I wouldn't buy Dereck Henry only sixteen touches, right,
sixteen touches.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, that was a complaints as well.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, okay, what about you, Jay Stu? Where are you
on the football in the elements?
Speaker 7 (13:50):
So we have this conversation. I know, six eight weeks ago,
and it was coming off of the Browns. I want
to say. It was a Thursday night game and it
was literally played in like powder. We're talking about like
full snow game. It wasn't like partially snowing, freezing. It
was like it was fun. And the takeaway the Deatra
was they shouldn't be allowed to put a dome in Cleveland.
(14:13):
If we can get a game like that every once
in a while, and I think all of our takeaways
was every once in a while, that's fun. But when
you're playing in games like this, when things actually matter,
and those conditions weren't fun. Those weren't like powder snow fun.
I thought the games suffered because of it. I think
the watching experience suffered.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yes, Sam, the snow and Philly didn't bother me. The
Rams actually were right on their scoring average for the season,
like I think they're av They came in averaging like
twenty one point seven. They scored twenty two.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
So you know he has to watch a different game, Sam,
What what do you mean they couldn't hold onto the
football they.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Come I know they're turning it over.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Matt's affort has one of the best arms in the
history of the NFL, they can't throw the football. So
if you think it didn't bother them, like, I don't know,
I never said that.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I just said that they scored on the Actually they
scored on their average of the scene.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
No, you started by saying, I don't think the snow
actually bothered them.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
It didn't bother me, is what I said. Okay, so
I thought it was cool. You know, the the Eagles
used it their advantage. There's clearly you know, could run
the ball in the snow and guys on the rams.
You know, defensive line did a lot of great things
that game. But you know some of those Barkley runs
they took off and really use it to their advantage.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
And this is not this is not new to the
National Football League.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
But here's the point is Jason pointed out we talked
about the Brown Steelers game. It was actually another game
after that that also then begged the conversation. And then
we had two this weekend, and we've had others.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
At times.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
I get it it's winter weather, but when we're trying
to determine the best teams, it's sometimes unfortunate that mother
nature ends up having the biggest role than the actual
two teams on the field. I don't mind if it's
ten degrees. If it's out there, it's cold, that's that's
what it is in January. But when you have the
snow and sleet and ice and whatever they were playing
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on in Philadelphia. Yeah, it was just I just it's
it's not a tough watch. It's just I would rather
have it the other way. I don't sit there and
hate it and turn it. I turn this channel. I
want to watch it. I just I imagine if Jayden
Daniels had to deal with that, we wouldn't have got
what he did on Saturday night, no question, So no question.
(16:34):
That's That's kind of what I'm getting to.
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for you. Also really good pod that I'm gonna ask
Jason for some real feedback on blogger hate that I receive,
how to handle blogger hate that I receive. But with
the weekend in the bank and a new week ahead
of us, we do this every Monday, we kind of
encapsulate all of our feelings, whether it's about the Rams
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loss sorry Ramos, or the Eagles or the Lions boally
out of the playoffs early, the NFC North and that
debacle that they had in the playoffs. Whatever it is.
Would you love would you hate? It could be anything
from the weekend. We call it love and hate.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
What did you love? God?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I love you? And what did you hate? Meet these
player hays love love love love love, love, love, love, hate,
hate hate hate. Let's start with love. Dan Byer, what'd
you love for the weekend?
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Doug, You're gonna find this crazy what I'm about to say,
because the conditions were so bad in Philadelphia. I love
the decision making that was going on in that contest,
And I mentioned earlier in the show when I was
defending the right to have the best conditions possible for
these games that mean so much when Carrie Rhodes and
(18:53):
I were on the air on Fox Sports Radio for
the second half of that game. Because the conditions were
so bad, it allowed, well allowed myself to play some
armchair quarterback, armchair head coach, where you would make decisions
that you never would have made in any other regular
football game. But again, it's because the conditions were so
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bad and because a lot was on the line. In fact,
your season was on the line because it was the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Doug.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
At one point I thought that the Eagles should have
punted from the rams thirty one yard line. I felt
it was so difficult for the Rams to get ten yards,
twenty yards, thirty yards that even if you had the
opportunity to take the football and gain fifteen yards of
field position, or even eleven yards if you have punted
it into the end zone, that that would have been
(19:43):
a smart play. We saw the Rams sack Jalen Hurts
for a safety when they were backed up because you
were so limited. It was just a completely different game
of strategy for I would say about ten minutes of
that fourth quarter. Then when Saquon broke off his run,
the Eagles kind of laid off and the Rams went
down and scored, and then you had a.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Three and out.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
But it just allowed for a whole different way of
thinking because the conditions were so so bad.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. The Bobby Bouchet offense is
what you're talking about, right, Our best offense is actually
our defense. Problem was Rams could hold on the ball
when they'd run it. They fumbled the ball when they
ran it, and that was the real killer when they're
only down a point after that safety.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
The Kyraen Williams fumble was a killer, but they were
then able to at least keep them at bay by
holding them to a field goal. And then Stafford took
a sack and fumbled on the next possession when they
were trying to throw the ball, and that allowed Philadelphia
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then to end up kicking another field goal. Then the
Rams punted and then set it up for Saquon's run,
sure which then they missed the extra point. It allowed
the Rams to still have life.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It was all crazy, Iowa Sam.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
I don't care for Taylor Swift's music. I don't mind her,
you know, her popularity. I'm not a fan of hers.
I think she's fine, like you know, people, a lot
of millions of people enjoy her music. I'm getting sick
of the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
They're doing a lot of winning. That's why I'm sick
of them. But overall, I loved seeing Caitlyn Clark in
the Taylor Swift suite with watching her kanc City Chiefs.
She has been a legitimate fan since she was a
little girl. And you know, I'm all things Kaitlyn Clark.
So although I'm pretty tired of the uh the old
(21:45):
ketchup City Chiefs there and they're red jerseys and they're
they're winning ways and there what seventh straight AFC Championship
Game appearance, the fact of the matter is, uh, Kayln
Clark is getting to see one of her favorite musicians,
probably her favorite overall musician, and so getting a hang
with Taylor Swift keatond Clark up there. There's a lot
of horsepower up there in that box. I Uh, I
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loved it. I loved it because I got she got
to live out her dream.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Uh just do.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
I think the team that won the weekend was not
playing football? And I'm about to explain the Dodgers signed
the most coveted Japanese picture of the offseason. I think
his name is Roki Sasaki. Filthy guy that we could add.
(22:36):
And when I say we, we Dodger fans could add
to our rotation. And then they got the most coveted
closer in baseball over the weekend, Tanner Scott. Tanner Scott
was a Padre last year. The Padres gave up a
ton of capital, a ton of draft picks, and then
(22:57):
lost Tanner Scott, and the Dodgers just signed him. And
then I just saw Padres Twitter, Giants Twitter, and Baseball
Twitter all weekend complaining about the Dodgers complaining about it.
This isn't fair. It's like, what would you have them do?
We get pissed off when owners pocket the revenues they
bring in. Why would you get pissed off at owners
(23:19):
that actually put money back into the team. They are
the largest revenue generating team. I think now with the
Yankees that MSG deal isn't as big as it used
to be, or the Yes deal I'm sorry. So they're
actually reinvesting their profits into their team. Why should anybody
have a problem with that? So? I love the Dodgers.
(23:43):
I love what they did this weekend. They've obviously told
Andrew Friedman that your cute little ways didn't work. So
the last two off seasons they've just spent a crapload
of money.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Thank you, Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
It's cute little ways didn't work.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Is cute little ways would get us to the division
round and fail. But this way won Spend as much
money as you can and we won.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Isn't Andrew Freeman still their general manager?
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Yes, but I think he was under a mandate starting
last off season. We've done it your way. You found
little value here and there, you found little gems. You
tried to be cute, you tried to be economical. All right,
let's forget that. Let's just spend as much money as
we can each of the next two off seasons, and
we'll see which way works.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I loved watching the Washington Commanders. I thought that was incredible.
The twenty eight point second quarter. I just that was incredible. Obviously,
Jared Goff with the interceptions and and the lines had
just been decimated. I'm not sure they're defense. This was
great to begin with, but just decimated by injuries. But
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you know, I like the cuff Kingsmury angle to it
as well, like that guy can coach some offensive football.
Those two are on the same page, and I mean
he's just a maze. Kid's incredible, kids incredible. If you
would have said, which one of these two guys has played,
you know, almost a decade in the NFL and played
in the Super Bowl, and which one is a rookie,
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you go like, well, Jaden Daniels is the one that's
played ten years in Jared Goffs the rookie, and that
wasn't the case. I thoroughly and completely enjoyed watching him
play football on Saturday night. That's my love. All Right,
let's get to the hate, Jay Steu, this is right
up your alley.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Go for it.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
I can't stand uh Padres, Twitter, Giants, Twitter, Baseball Twitter.
I can't stand them for having a problem with the
way the Dodgers do business.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
That's what I hate.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
I also hate this. I watched a movie over the
weekend called conc Live Okay, and it has a very
controversial ending, extremely controversial ending that will make right wingers
very uncomfortable. But I found that the reaction when I
(26:25):
went on Twitter to this movie to be completely unreasonable.
Just because there is a controversial character and storyline does
not mean that quote Hollywood now sucks. There is the
(26:45):
best storytelling and probably the best TV streaming shows around.
Hollywood doesn't suck. Just because there's a subject matter that
disagrees with your sensibilities doesn't mean quote Hollywood has no
good ideas.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
So that's what I hate, Dan Byer, Doug.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
It's interesting because on the heels of your love is
actually where my hate is born. I hate that the
Lions are knocked out of it. I look at this
past season and I think many people were like me
that if your favorite team couldn't go to the super Bowl,
you were pulling for the Lions to do so. And
I'm interested in Jason's opinion, and Doug, I'm interested in
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your opinion on this because I also brought this up.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
In my show yesterday with Carrie Rhodes.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
It's difficult for me to look at the Commanders as
a feel good team because my most impressionable years in
sports were my youth, between probably eight and fifteen years old,
and during those times, maybe six or seven, Washington won
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three Super Bowls. Washington was one of the better teams
in the NFC, competing with the forty nine Ers and
Bears and Giants at that time. So even though it's
been thirty two years, I remember a time when Washington
was really really good. I don't ever remember a time
when Detroit was really really good. So I was pulling
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for the Lions on Saturday Night, and as soon as
Jared Goff fumbled when they're up seven to three on
the third and one, I thought, oh, so this is
how it's going to go. I knew it from that
point they were not winning that game. It was not
going to happen. The Commanders knocked me out of a
Survivor pool in Week three because the Bengals couldn't force
a punt and it just had that sort of feel
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where you were not going to stop them on offense.
And so I hated seeing the Lions lose. Maybe not
so much to the Commanders, but I just am comparing
the wind Streaks or the I guess win droughts of
the two franchises, and it's just tough for me to
look at the Commanders as a Cinderella because I remember
when they were ten kicking the Broncos butt up in
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down the field in the Super Bowl against the Denver
Broncos super Bowl twenty two. I hated seeing the Lions
get knocked out.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Okay, it makes sense, Yeah, They've They're like, what are
they coming back from? You know, they're coming back from
like a toxic owner who ruined a franchise with his
decisions and the atmosphere that he created around him. So
it's not like a feel good thing. They've just kind
of returned to normalcy kind of a thing. And the
(29:29):
lines you just got to feel for They've They've just
been bad and now it's over.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
No, I think a lot of people feel that way.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I would agree with that. That last part of the
segment stuck got Leap Sugar on Fox Sports Radio. I
I hated that. For Mark Andrews. I just did I
know him a little bit. I've always been enamored with
his talent and he just seems like a great dude.
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And I don't know, tight ends always catch that stuff.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
It's like even when they get old, they can't move.
Antonio Gates when he came back out of retirement, like
they still catch everything and like the one guy you
would think would always catch that ball. Especially talk about
in terms of sports getting your what's it called when
you bounce back from something you not a reclamation? Reclamation
(30:30):
is sort of it, but redemption, the sports redemption within
the game, he fumbled sports redemption supposed to be he
catches that one and then maybe he catches a touchdown
pass in overtime and they went So. I hated that
from Mark Andrews. I, you know, don't have a dog
in that fight, and it would have been amazing to
see Josh Allen in a tie game. But I hated
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it for Mark Andrews.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Really did I know these professional pass can I still
think the play is a little bit more difficult than
it just appears on the surface.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I know it's more difficult than appears. You're you're right,
but as you said before, he's a professional pass catcher.
Got catch that ball, Got catch that ball.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
What was the tweet that you shared with us? Was
it during the podcast?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yes, breaking this from David Berg breaking Joe Biden issues
pardoned to Mark Andrews.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
I mean, there were some really funny memes.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
That was funny and a lot of people brought attention
to the fact that the Ravens social media right before
the game posted a picture of Andrews and his shorts
catching passes before the game with a caption, the snow
does not bother Mark Andrews.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Oops. Yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Oops. And that is love and hate.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
What about Sam's hates?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Oh, I'm sorry, Sam, My bad. I usually go to
throw everybody from me, Sam. What'd you hate this weekend?
Speaker 4 (32:12):
All good? By the way?
Speaker 5 (32:15):
That might that might be the most sympathetic I've ever
heard you towards a former Sooner, Doug Mark Andrews, one
of your rivals to the Oklahoma State Cowboys. But sympathy tlby.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Heath didn't go to you. But he was essentially a
Sooner and obviously he's a friend, and when he passed away,
it was just awful. But it's more about people than
it is where they played.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I hear you.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
My hate of this weekend is the state of Iowa basketball,
both the women's state currently and the men's state. Let's
start with the women. They've lost five straight games. They
still have a team, They just kidding. They've lost five
straight games. Just just how many games they lost all
of last year. The five game winning streak has to
(33:03):
be the longest in probably a decade. They're missing Kitlin
Clark and Lisa Bluta right now for sure. They're well
under five hundred to the Big Ten, and the men
switching over to them, they're under five hundred the Big Ten.
Usually every year I can bank on either the men
or the women being good and going to the NCAA Tournament,
(33:24):
and if they're both, I just this year I'm like
kind of scratching my head a little bit, like they're both.
They both could miss the NCAA Tournament, which is kind
of shocking, especially when the women's program went to the
championship game last year, obviously with one of the best
players that basketball has ever seen.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
But would you back Iowa State tournament? Well, I mean,
I don't know. I want to know any answer.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Right now, it's January twenty five, No Hawk guys in
the men's bracket. Would you support the Iowa State Cyclones
and they're run to a final four?
Speaker 5 (34:02):
What does support mean?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Like?
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Wear their shirt, cheer them on, want them to win.
Sure they can, that'd be cool if they go to
a final four. Thing you just called dugout for liking
a sooner. Yeah, you're gonna cheer for Iowa State sounds
like a double standard.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Sam.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
I just want to share with you guys the fact
that I was at poly Pavilion Friday night for the
first time to see that venue, and UCLA made their
first nine shots of the game, and there was never
a point in that game where Iowa was even competing.
It was just out of control within minutes the men's
(34:39):
team and so Iowa gave up round between a trip
to USC and a trip to UCLA, they gave up
about ninety six points a game. So it's it's pretty
it's pretty bad around. The defense is bad, and uh,
you know Iowa's the Iowa men were part of my
love last weekend, and now it's just all gone sour,
(34:59):
It's all gone south.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
I have a question for Doug.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
Yes, because I know your relationship and friendship with Fran McCaffrey. Yes,
would you feel comfortable or uncomfortable if Sam would have
asked you to get tickets from Fran?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Sam got his own tickets.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
But totally totally comfortable.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I mean, because I know Mick as well, I mean
that wouldn't have been. Yeah, but yeah, totally comfortable.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
But I sit like by the Iowa fans. It could have,
you know, you could have.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
I did get free tickets to the UCLA game. Thank you,
Dave Weese from KLAC. Appreciate that. So easy to get there.
It was great to see the venue. But they lost
ninety four to seventy and at some point, at various
points in the game, UCLA was up by thirty some points.
It was just it was just there's nothing to take
nothing positive to take away from it except getting to
(35:50):
hang with lead to Lap and Big Mike who runs
this place, who joined me for the game, and having
a spicy sausage a hot dog thing and some spicy
mustard into halapinos. And that was that kicked my button
a good way.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Thanks for the invite, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
I think I didn't I invite you, Dan, No, No,
that did not happen. Well, I didn't know if you'd
want to see UCI le Iowa game. So yeah, I
don't like college basketball. You go, all right, So there
answer your question right there.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
That was sarcasting by below.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
He doesn't like it this year because of how is
Buckeyes are doing.
Speaker 8 (36:21):
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Speaker 1 (36:29):
App the Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. I will
tell you that I struggle with Saquon Barkley being on
the Eagles because Saquon Barkley is just a likable dude, right,
and the Eagles are an unlikable bunch. They just are. Nonetheless,
(36:54):
they're one went away from another Super Bowl despite their
pretty open dysfunction right within with parts of their team.
Here's our head coach Nick Sirianni talking about the luxury
of having Sekwon Barkley.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
How much of a luxury is it?
Speaker 7 (37:08):
They have Barley, who is able to given the conditions
or not in the conditions, It don't matter where.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
It's a luxury to have him, that's for darn sure.
I love them.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
I can't say enough good things about him in the
in the leadership that he brings to this football team,
and he's special.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
So there is one thing that's really interesting, Dan, in
that I do understand. I'm not saying that you're alone
in your feelings, and in many ways you're not wrong
you're actually right, right, because it's one of the reasons
that the Super Bowl. There's the main reason the Super
Bowl is almost always played in warm weather cities or
in domes, is so the best the best look like
(37:45):
they're the best, right, the same reason that they don't
call a lot of penalties. They want a great game,
They want the overall talent to come out. But when
you're constructing a football team, and you have to understand that,
like right now, the AFC, you're gonna have to play
in Kansas City, Right, You're gonna have to play in
(38:07):
Kansas City, and Kansas City in January. The weather you
have no idea. You know, it's super frigid today. I
have no idea what it's supposed to be like Sunday.
But you're gonna have to play in Kansas City. And
if not Kansas City, it's been Baltimore, it's been Pittsburgh.
It's generally been terrible weather cities in the NFC. You
(38:27):
know Philly, obviously, you have Dallas, San Francisco where last
year wasn't last year the Niners game that played in
the rain, San Francisco, Right, So elements are gonna be
a factor, and you have to. And for years the
AFC went through New England and you could count on
the weather being bad in New England. So you have
to construct your football team in a way in which
(38:49):
if you can throw it through the wind, you better
find ways to get rid of it really, really quickly.
And you better find ways to stop the run because
in the weather, you know, that's what's gonna happen. Hard
to build. I mean it's the Saints, you know, when
they went to the Super Bowl, right obviously went through
New Orleans. They were built to play in a dome,
and how many you know. I'm watching the Rams struggle
(39:11):
against the Eagles, and I'm like, well, this is like
the eighties Rams when they would come out of they
played outdoors, when you play in southern California. Now you
got to play in the conditions in Chicago against eighty
five Bears and they fell apart. I remember that game. So,
I you are right, But you also have to understand
in terms of roster construction that if you play in
(39:32):
these types of conditions to get to a Super Bowl,
you're gonna have to run the football. You're gonna have
to stop the run. Sometimes you gonna have to play
little left hand. I am.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
I am so glad you brought that up, because those
are all legitimate fair points. And it actually runs into
the face of what the NFL has become is because
now the NFL has become such an offensive quarterback dependent game,
where twenty eight out of the thirty two teams play
that same sort of game, where that's how they feel
(40:00):
they're going to get success. Then this just flies in
the face of that. So you're supposed to take four
teams that are going to say, we're not gonna We're
not gonna build our team that way. We're not going
to construct our team that way, and the hopes that
we can navigate this regular season and then when it
comes playoff time it's good and Doug you're you're right,
and I'll tell you what that recipe does work. It's
(40:23):
why the Titans a few years ago were able to
run over everybody because everybody has two hundred and fifty
pounds defensive ends, yeah, you know, or edge rushers, so
you just take Derrick Henry and you end up trying
to run over them and there is an opportunity for
a mismatch there. But the whole thinking of the elements
does fly in the face of what the NFL has
(40:43):
made their game to be, and that is a quarterback
dependent football game.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
It's great point, streat point. I actually, I know we
want to talk about the Eagles, but I actually think
that's what makes the Ravens thing even more curious. Right, Like,
the Ravens haven't been successful in the playoffs, and yesterday's
game couldn't have been set up any better for the
(41:10):
way in which they play, right, the way in which
they play, which is, you have arguably or maybe inarguably
the best running back I guess sake one's the best
run backs, probably the second best running back in the playoffs,
and a dynamic straight line downhill Christian Nakoye. Good luck
tackling Derrick Henry. You actually have a change of pace
(41:32):
as well. And then you got the best running quarterback
we've ever had in the NFL. And and of the turnovers,
of the turnovers and they had, they had what three turnovers?
One was Lamar fumbling in the pocket, but one was
an interception which he took, you know, I didn't look
(41:53):
out for safety and overthrow. And then one was when
Andrews caught the ball and had it punched out like
the two of them were throwing the football and look,
they may have fumbled it running in two but it
is fascinating that here's a team that we talk about
the elements they are built for way more than Buffalo.
They got three great options running the football, and of
(42:16):
their turnovers, which were their real undoing, two of them
were throwing the football and honestly, even the one in
which he lost it in the back that he fumbled it,
that was an RPO where he felt like he couldn't
throw it because his linemen were down the field.
Speaker 6 (42:29):
Well, I'll just say this because I know TJ's on hold.
I watched the thirty for thirty Tuck Rule this past weekend.
It re aired and Tom Brady was talking about how
he loved the conditions in that game because everything slowed
down for.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Him as a young quarterback.
Speaker 6 (42:43):
I don't know if it was a disadvantage for the
veteran quarterbacks or not, but he said, at the time,
everything slowed down for me and as a younger quarterback,
that really helped.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Doug Gottliebs show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Dampire. Let's welcome in, TJ. Huschminzada of course,
who's the former Pro Bowl wide receiver. He's a co
host of Up on Game with var Arrington Plexical Burst
that airs each Saturday on Fox Sports Trader. You can
also find it where you find your podcast. Who's the
Elements were in full effect in three of those four games.
(43:14):
Are you a fan of football in the snow football
in the wind?
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I mean, I'm not a fan of playing it. And
when you watch it, because you're not in the element,
you're like, oh, this is cool. But when you're playing
that type of stuff, it's the worst. Man, It really
is the worst because you get certain teams that they
they're not at their best in those conditions. But both
teams are on the field, so both teams are in
the same uh environment, You have the same conditions and
(43:41):
you got to make the most of it. But as
a player, you kind of deal with it. But nobody
likes it.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Stug gottlab Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, uh,
let's let's get to the Lions. What's your reaction to
to Dan Campbell breaking down saying it was all his fault?
Speaker 3 (44:02):
We all know that that wasn't Dan Campbell's fault. Man
when you see your head coach show that type of emotion,
that type of emotion because they lost a game that
probably ninety nine percent of people outside of the Commanders
fans thought they would win. I thought they would win,
and you just pick it was a bad time for
(44:26):
Jared Golf to play the type of game that he played,
and but they just couldn't defensively, it was they couldn't
get a stop, they couldn't stop Jade Daniels. I think
Dan Campbell really felt they would win that game, and
the emotion just came out. And as a player, if
I would play time and I see my coach do that,
(44:46):
I would feel bad that he felt that way, because
we own a game. We got to get it done ourselves.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Okay, so let's let's get to that. I mean, how
much do you put on golf? How much do you
put on you know, Ben Johnson with a trick play
in the fourth quarter that has a wide receiver throw
an interception.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Well, obviously looking back on it, he's like, oh, why
do he call that play? But Ben Johnson has been
money because he's been a coordinator with his play selection,
the timing of his place selection. That play didn't work.
And I know how that play as coach. It's very simple,
(45:29):
famous and if he's not wide open, run it or
throw it away. If there's anybody around, don't run it
or throw it away. But because they were down Jamison Williams,
he just he took the chance. The chance didn't pay off. Obviously,
looking back on it, Monday morning, quarterback, why'd you call
that play? But I'm not gonna question somebody that I
still has done a hell of a job with the
(45:50):
timing of the plays that he calls.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
By the way, I think we have some breaking news
in regards to Ben Johnson. Let's go to Dan Byer,
who's at the news desk, and when he.
Speaker 8 (46:00):
Got breaking news from Fox Sport.
Speaker 6 (46:05):
Multiple reports say that the Chicago Bears will name Lions
offensive coordinator Ben Johnson as their new head coach.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Does it feel that anybody else like the Lions window
just closed?
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (46:18):
They're gonna lose their offensive coordinator, gonna lose their defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
The that's a great thing for the Bears. And I
told a buddy of mine and they can attest to this. Uh.
Last week I said, if the Bears do not name
a coach by Wednesday. Ben Johnson is going to be
their coach. They're waiting until the Lions get eliminated in
he plays for the Bears. So if he hears this,
he's gonna know that I told him this. I felt
(46:49):
like Ben Johnson was an obvious choice, and the Bears
waited and it was it was kind of, Oh, the
Bears haven't hired anybody. No, they've hired somebody. They're just
waiting on Ben Johnson to get knocked out or the
Detroit Lions will win it. All I believe is to
knock them out the park higher his creativity obviously, now
he'd get to play the Lions a lot more. He's
(47:11):
very familiar with him, but he's not going to a
Bear cover to Chicago. They got pieces, they have weapons,
and so I think the Bears many thought they would
compete for the playoffs this year, and I was one
of many people. They for sure what Ben Johnson is,
they will compete for the playoffs next He's a great higher.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
In my opinion Stug Gottleab show here on Fox Sports Radio,
how do you what Jane Damas is doing is incredible,
incredible as a guy who has played at this level,
in the NFL. What do you see when you see
the Commanders go on the road and play with that
(47:49):
level of confidence and be Detroit man.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Jay and Daniels is the best rookie we've ever seen.
I don't think we'll ever do. National Football League may
never see this again, what Jaydan and Daniels doing. I
don't think people understand, not how good, how great of
the season this young man has had. It's unbelievable. He's
making it look easy. This is his first year in
(48:13):
the league and they were, oh, they need another weapon.
All they have is Terry McLaurin. Jade and Daniels is
unbelievably good as a rookie. It's going to be scary
when he really gets comfortable, because he's not even comfortable.
You know, he has that smile. He's always smiling during
(48:35):
the game. When that boy gets comfortable, it's gonna be scary.
And I felt like he had an opportunity to be
the best rookie quarterback, but I wasn't sure with dan Quinn.
Just let kings Perry kind of do what he wants
to do, and he did so. Now Kingsberry in turn,
(48:55):
he's gonna be like Ben Johnson. He's gonna have this
pick of the letter. Wait till you get to the
perfect city situation before you take the job. You don't
have to rush into a job because you know you
got a quarterback that's gonna put you a position every
single year.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Steut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
let's get to the Ravens. How do you view Mark
Andrews with the fumble? Mark Andrews dropped the two point conversion.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
It sucks, Mark Man. I played for the Ravens and
I pretty much did the same thing that Mark Andrews
did in the playoff game to go to the AFC Championship.
I didn't drop a touchdown, but I dropped the ball
on fourth down. So I know what he's going through.
The anger, the disappointment, the frustration, the disbelief, like did
(49:45):
I really just dropped this ball? And so I feel
bad for him because I've been in his shoes. I've
been in that situation. I thought the Ravens would represent
the AFC ont of the Super Bowl. I'm obviously wrong.
You just got to keep moving, man. There's nothing you
can do. It's happened. You can't go back and change it.
(50:06):
They did not play a good football game and they
still had a chance to win. Lamar Jackson threw for
twice as many yards as Josh Allin, a yard away
from having twice as many rushing yards, but the costly
turnovers is what killed the raiding. But from Mark Andrews, man,
I feel bad for him, I'm sure that's no motivating
but it's really nothing you can do about that. Man. Obviously,
(50:28):
he probably catches that ball ninety nine out of one hundred.
That one time he doesn't catch it, it costs his team,
and fans are cruel. Man, people are cruel. You're probably
gonna get all kind of crazy message on social media
and for all you dumbasses that send him a message,
you couldn't do what he was doing, so shut your mouth.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
How responsible for the chief success or officials?
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Doug, I'm not gonna lie, man. The Chiefs are good,
but everybody knows it's I'm just getting off the field
with training, guys. Man, everybody says the same thing, Why
do the Chiefs get all the calls? Every player says
the same thing. This is worldwide across the National Football League.
They're like, why are they even playing the games. If
(51:12):
they just gonna give it to the Chiefs, I get it.
If it's close call the penalty to benefit the quarterback,
then't do it for everybody. Don't just do it for Mahomes.
Jared Golf almost got decapitated. You didn't see that. You
didn't see that one. Jenen Hurst got hit two yards
(51:32):
out of bounds. You didn't see that one either. But
if best Patrick Mahomes, everybody believes that's going to be
a penalty. And we talk about the integrity of the game.
If we are going to protect the quarterbacks like we
all want, let's protect all of them. Because now everybody,
even the players that are playing in the league, still
like when we play the Chiefs, they're going to get
(51:54):
calls that we don't get it. You don't want that
to be the case. The Miko ryans we're playing against
every everybody. You know what he means. When Joe Mixon
comes out and says it, Now, it's going to become
like a why are they the only team that gets
these type of calls? And it sucks because they're not
getting their credit because they're really good, man, they're really good.
(52:15):
Their get calls that everybody doesn't get so you kind
of gloss over the fact that they're a really good team.
But it's talked about a ton.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
TJ. Huschmans outa check out up on Game downloaded wherever
you download podcast, or you can listen to it live
on Fox Sports Fox Sports Radio every Saturday morning. Who's
you the best man?
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Thanks for joining us, Doug, I'm the second best man,
You the best.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Keep it going, buddy, all right, thanks, thanks. Who's
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