January 21, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug and Dan Beyer discuss Ohio State's national championship game win over Notre Dame as Doug explains how the team that had the best paid players finished on top. Doug weighs in on the reports that the Raiders are considering Pete Carroll as their next head coach. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to get his thoughts on the divisional playoff weekend in the NFL and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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it's really weird, but I'm going to do it because
there's nothing fake about this man. Dan Byer, Congratulations to you.
I know you didn't actually win the game last night,
but since the day I since the day I, since
the day I met you, you have said, hey, you
know when we start talking about things you like, you're like, oh, hi,
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State football, I love how to State football, Like, really,
how was state football? And I just what? I just again,
you're not the You're not the fringe. But take me
through the last month and a half or so where
they lose to Michigan and win a national championship.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's funny you say that because I thought about it
a lot over the last twenty four hours, because I've
thought a lot about it throughout this past season. I
think I've told people that beating Michigan was the only
thing that mattered this year because what had happened over
the previous three years and then when they didn't dug
there was an extreme hangover from it, and it for me,
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it wasn't over after they beat Tennessee, like it's still lingered.
We you know, we talked on the show. I went
to the Rose Bowl at what a what a start
that they had again Oregon. But I even said to
the guy standing next to me in the crowd after
they jumped out to the big lead, I'm like, why
couldn't they do this against Michigan? And it's still like
that cloud hungover. But after they beat Oregon it was
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kind of like it cleared a little bit. And then
the Texas win was as crazy as it was, and honestly,
it helps to face a team like Notre Dame with
the prestige. Something we talked about yesterday, there is I've
mentioned motivation a lot, and even though Ohio State was
the sizeable favorite, it is still Notre Dame to your point,
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and there is some motivation with it. And it was an,
I don't want to say an overwhelming feeling, because I
don't think it was overwhelming, but it made everything somewhat okay,
and so that lunatic fringe that still wants to all
of that was really softened. It changes my perspective on
a lot of things. And now it's the third national
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championship in my lifetime that I've experienced. All of them
have different feelings. This one's a little bit of a
relief that it finally bray, you know, they broke through.
But it's also a great feeling considering how the plan
that they had and whether you don't you like the
money or you don't like the money that they spent,
the plan came to fruition and that was so awesome
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to see last night.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Stug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports. Trailer that's Dan Byer,
of course, you see him all You hear him all
the time on our show. You hear his own show
as well. On Sundays he has his I Want Your
Flex pod, which covers the National Football League as well.
So he's a man of many, many trades. I'll tell
you what I saw was, I was actually really impressed
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with Notre Dame. From this perspective. They weren't as good
as Ohio State. And maybe this is me now understanding
where my own program is or whatever, but that first
drive was all about preparation, toughness. I thought it was awesome,
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and you're like, man, the problem is that dialing up
play after play after play is just too hard, And
I thought I thought that to the layman it would
sound condescending what Fowler and Herbstreet were talking about and
the level of fatigue the offense felt like they'd gone
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through just to get that drive. The reality is it
was completely accurate, right that they had to put everything
they had into getting a seven to nothing lead. And
it's really interesting. Right again, I won't use my perspective
as a current basketball coach. Oft Tina slawst fifteen games
in a row and how many games we have led
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in the second half. And look, we don't have our
best player, our best score At times we haven't had
our two best players are best scorers for substantial my time.
We didn't have our big guy until recently. Anyway, The
point is that part of it is once you go
to your bench, no one's depth is the same as
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their starters anymore. And again that's the real difference in
the spending at the highest level and on down is
you spend on guys to keep them on your bench
to give you depth, whereas otherwise they will never come
and they will never sit there ever, and you just
get worn out. By being close or by taking a lead.
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You give up so much in effort and energy that
eventually they say water finds its level. Like look, not
to Dame played a hell of a game. I mean,
if they make that field goal, and you know they
needed some huge conversions to get the field goal, and
when they're down eighteen they make that field goal and
it's still interesting. But the reality is when they had
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to sell out go Casinos zero cover, they can't cover
the best wide receiver in the country man a man
just to can't happen. Ohio State's just better. And if
there's a parallel between anything else in sports. There's two
sports that I thought parallel what we saw last night.
One was college basketball, where conference championships don't really matter anymore,
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they just don't, and the randomness of things, you know,
goes out the window. And the second one was Major
League baseball, when you have salary cap free teams, most times,
the more games you play, the teams with the better
talent will win. And the Dodgers spent more money essentially
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than anybody else. I know, you could tell me some
teams spend more money with the Yankees, but the reality
is what they spent on show. Hey, that's just that's
just clever accounting. And Ohio State spent more money than
anybody else, not just on the players. Remember they got
Chip Kelly, who's been a super talented offensive coordinator, head
coach in the NFL, head coach in college. Their offense,
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they got Jim Knowles for I think two million dollars
run their defense. And then they spend more money on
the roster than anybody else. That's money well spent. And
I just thought they were better, and the more it
played out, it looked as such. And I don't think
the score was indicative of the difference in those two teams.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
The interesting part of it, and this is where what's
taken over the last I'd say leading up to this game.
I know ESPN had a discussion about it, sow it
on social media as well, is because there still seems
to feel there still seems to be this even though
it's legal, this dirtiness a little bit with nil where
if you're paying so much for it. In the Ohio state,
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argument is we paid a lot of our guys to
come back, not everyone. Will Howard was a transfer. Jeremiah
Smith obviously is a freshman and had options to go elsewhere.
Quinchahn Judkins came from Ole miss Those guys came into
the program. But to keep Travon Henderson and JTT and
Jack Sawyer. Caleb down came in as well. He would
be a part of the other group, but to keep
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that core to come back and win. I do think
changes the narrative a little bit because those guys were
in the program. Now where those extra parts the pieces
to put them over the top. Maybe so, But that's
where I think that the argument is in the conversation
is very interesting. Just buying a team Essentially you're almost
investing into some of your own players.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah. Look, that's the smart way to do it. Okay,
just so we're aware, Like the best way to do
it is to get really good players and then to
keep them. It actually costs you more money to get
your guys outside of your program. I think what's interesting
is I don't know if they spent crazy money on
Will Howard, right, I feel like Will Howard was at
a relative bargain in comparison to other quarterbacks in the market,
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And I think the brilliance to it is, like you said,
keeping the players that you want from going to the
NFL or leaving to go elsewhere a couple of guys,
but not overspending on quarterback. If you overspent, if you
have twenty million dollars and you spend five million dollars
on quarterback, if that quarterback isn't good enough or gets hurt,
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you're screwed. I mean, look, that's what happened to USC.
You know, they spent a ton of money on Kayleb
Williams both years and didn't have a ton of money
on the rest of the roster. And that's what it
looked like. So it's fascinating as you try and be
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the GM or you hire a GM, what you're what
you have to do in roster manipulation. But I actually
feel really good for Ryan Day. I don't I don't
know him at all at all, But what is Jack
Suaer what? It's one of those things. I thought the
whole flag planting and they're fighting thing was embarrassing, But
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then when I think back to it, what was he
saying is like, you guys are done, we still you'll
have to play like to get a team back on
track and to play as well as they played against Tennessee.
When you have that amount of emotional drain from a
loss like the loss to Michigan, that's what coaching is.
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That's what coaching is.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
It's funny, Doug because and that's actually I wanted to
bring this point up.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Before we wrapped it up.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Being a fan of being a fan as long as
I have, I remember that I remember the Earl Bruce days.
I remember they played BYU and a Citrus Bowl, which
they won like ten to seven, and they beat Texas
A and M and a Cotton Bowl. But Earl Bruce
is let go, so they bring in John Cooper and
they don't have great success, they lose a Liberty Bowl
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to Air Force. Everybody talks about John Cooper and says
couldn't beat Michigan. But the other part of the equation
was they also weren't winning their bowl games, and that
was a really really big deal twenty thirty years ago.
Winning your bowl game was a badge of honor. It
kept coaches jobs maybe longer than they should and had
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them cut loose earlier. Not only could John Cooper not
beat Michigan, but then they would go to a bowl
game and they couldn't win those games and that was
held against him. And I think we kind of have
gotten away from that. But now what I find interesting
and I'm interested to see on how things will go.
Will coaches be criticized if they have early round flameouts,
will they stay longer because of a deep run into
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this bracketed tournament? Really really different, And I didn't know
how I would feel as well, because usually if you
lose to Michigan, Doug, your season's gone because Michigan's going
to the Rose Bowl or they're the team that's going
to advance because that game always meant so much. And
now you have this weird mix of emotions where honestly,
there is still this little gap in your heart where
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you're like, gosh, we've lost them four times. For as
great as this was, that still needs to be filled
at some point. But this was such a great victory
that it's different than it was thirty years ago. Like
if you lose to Mission and you Michigan and you
win the Outbag Bowl, maybe it wasn't the end all
be all, but it gave you a little something. This
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gave you a lot of something. This gave you a
whole lot of something.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, I just again, I can't speak for personal experience,
you know, And I've said this has happened to us
a bunch of times. And obviously you're like, well, you've
lost a bunch of times. No, yes, I do. And
I know that sometimes you lose because of the opponent.
Sometimes you lose because of the travel. Sometimes you lose
because you're not emotionally where you're supposed to be. Like
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I thought one of the games we lost because we'd
won a game before and we didn't know how to
handle it, like our whole persona had changed, right. But
I think a lot of times you lose or you
get down because of the game before, and you know,
you always say, don't let that opponent beat you twice,
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and Michigan didn't beat them to And that was really, really,
really impressive because I just I thought that Ohio State
didn't just look better. I thought they looked really well coached.
It wasn't like they just lined up and said, hey,
we're just gonna you know, roll back and you know,
throw it up in the air and go get it
because we're just better than you. I thought they were
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expertly coached, and they played really, really hard. And obviously
it's National championship game, everybody plays hard. But that was
a good football team. And it also speaks to the
you know, Notre Dame being there, Ohio State being there
after losing to Michigan. It speaks to the reality of
what I believed in the selection. I understand you're like,
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how can Alabama play in there and lose to Ohio State,
But again, their peaks, their best is better than Indiana's best.
They played a way harder schedule and you have emotional letdowns.
Notre Dame lost to Northern Illinois at home, but that
was after they beat Texas A and M and there's
no doubt that arrogance creep crept in so and I
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know there does come a point. Maybe that was people's
thing with the Alabama's like, hey, look I get it
to a point they went they crept over that point.
That's fine. But I don't believe we had the best
twelve teams play for a national championship. I just don't.
I thought it was a first year and the first
year like coaching, like first year on a radio show,
like a first year of marriage. Wrap right with rot
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with flaws. But I think the biggest flaw was those
weren't the twelve best teams, and they were seated in
a way that wasn't representative of even how they would
have been seated if you did say they were the
twelve best teams.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And we're going to see change for sure in the
next it possibly as soon as next year, and how
they're going to do it.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
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can always have instant access to our Fox Sports Radio
videos on YouTube. So the Raiders are considering hiring seventy
three year old Peek Carol, And this is what people do, right,
You hire inexperience doesn't work, Go to experience. And I
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don't know if anybody's more experience. Who's out there on
the market on the market. Remember Belichick has maybe more experience,
but not on the market, has a current job than
Peek Carol. I truly think we look at this the
wrong way. I just do. Could Pete Caroll work in
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with the Raiders, of course, but what's his staff look like?
How does that look? You know, he had a couple
of different offensive coordinators with Seattle. He's always very, very conservative,
but when he was at his best in Seattle, he
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had an elite defensive coordinator. That guy is currently coaching
the Washington Commanders. So what is the overall plan? What
are they doing at quarterback? What's the overall plan? How
do you rebuild it? Who's the GM. I just think
we look in such linear fashion. Will this guy work?
Will Ben Johnson work? Well, I'm guessing that Ben Johnson won.
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He's going to be great with the quarterback. And two,
he's had a year to figure out exactly who I
want to run my defense, and he's had a couple
of weeks to figure out who's going to be on
the market, how much they're gonna cost. So would I
hire Pete Carroll? He wouldn't be my first choice, but
if he brings in stability, he's always energetic, popping that
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gum over in the sideline. If you get the right
guys around him, like you know, he has what you've
been liking since Gruden left, which is experience, which is experience.
And then you look around that division and that entire
division has great experience at head coach Andy Reid and
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Jim Harbaugh and Sean Payton. Granted he's older, but you know,
I mean, how many years have we given these guys
in the NFL. Pro sports different than college sports in
terms of how much you're letting guys evolve and get
through their first couple of recruiting classes stuck Outleik Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. John Middlekoff is our guest.
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Season NFI anist hosts a three and OW podcast, And look,
I know you watch college football, but you studied the NFL.
When you're watching last night, any huge takeaways, well, I.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Mean Ohio State on offense is just loaded with blue chip,
explosive players, and I just think the sport of football,
I'd say, like a lot of sports, you know, it's
more offensive incline now, and college football thirty forty years
ago was just kind of run three yards, run three yards.
If you have the better players, you would win and
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just run it down their throat. Now it's thrown it
around the yard. And they got NFL wide receivers, they
got explosive NFL backs, their quarterbacks good. I mean that
to me was the biggest difference of Notre Dame's just
not really an explosive offense. They don't have the blue
chippers on the outside. And the one thing Ryan Day
I would say, like the Ohio State teams I grew
up on that were really good. You know, when you
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close your eyes, you think Mike Brabel, you think AJ Hawk,
you know, you think guys like that defensive backs, defensive lineman.
Now under Ryan Davies, even even with with Rban, with
the Bosa brothers, they had a lot of good defensive
in front sevens. He built the team like an SEC team.
Not that Ryan Day doesn't recruit good defensive players, but
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you know, best defensive players in Alabama transfer was save
and retired. But his teams have really been defined by
unreal passing games and that was on full display. Really
just playoff run. You know, Texas did the best job
and at the end of the day, you know, Texas
quarterback Quinn Ewers, I think he's making a mistake if
he's really leaving millions of dollars on the table going pro.
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But their roster, minus the quarterback was probably the second
best in the country when when the dust settled. So
it's not really shocking that they gave him the best game.
I know last night the score was kind of close,
but let's face them, I mean it was it was
a blowout and they kind of came to scorming back
in the second half.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I agree, I don't think the score was indicative of
the difference in the in the in the two teams.
Let's get to the nation Football League. So here we
are again with Lamar Jackson's team losing. Now, on the downside,
he did fumble, he did throw it, throw it, by
his own estimations, a terrible pick in the first half.
On the plus side, he had to go eighty eight
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yards and he did so, and then might have not
been the perfect play or the perfect pass, but it
hit Mark Andrews between the numbers and he dropped in
the two point conversion. What do we do now with
the Lamar Jackson can't win the big win narrative.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, I think there's just a lot going on with
this kind of story. You know, whenever I see people
like Daniel Orlowski try to say you're a loser if
you blame him, like, clearly he was better than years past.
I mean, to me, he was dramatically better in this
game than he was in the AFC Chancer game. But
he's still had two turnovers. And in these games, like
Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen the O, their numbers don't
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look great. This is the playoff football. It's the only thing.
No one cares how many touchdowns you throw for or
what's going on about winning and losing and not the
ball over, because when you turn the ball over in
the playoffs, it's a problem. When you turn over the
ball multiple times, which he did, it's a big problem
because one of those turnovers the fumble gate with seven
points and we're going final scores. Didn't retin the game now,
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Like I also don't put it fully on him. The
coaching staff. That first drive where you went got Baltimore
might kill these guys. I think gave them like this
confidence of like, Okay, Lamar can throw it just like
a normal game. And they didn't rely enough on the run.
I mean they had drives where they ran it right
down the road, the one drive that basically got him
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right back in the game, and then they passed on
the two point conversion where Milano tipped. It's like, guys,
you have Shaquille O'Neal at running back, who, even however
many years into his career nine ten years, looks like
he's in his prime. He looked good in that game,
like I would have handed in the ball thirty times.
They literally just why didn't they run the same game
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plan they had against Pittsburgh And I think last year
Mahomes this year against Josh, they're like obsessed. It's like
to prove he's a better passer.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I agree. I agree, it's a great point. It's not
b wait you're telling I think a third of the story.
They have a great running back. They have arguably or
inarguably the best running quarterback of all time, and I
got Justice Hill was really good running back as well. Like,
and it's snowing outside. Even the Bills barely threw the
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ball in the first half. What are they doing?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
I mean, Sean McDermott and Josh Allen weren't trying to
prove anything except win the game, right, and honestly, they
tried to prove which was risky. They kind of went
what Ohio State did against Michigan because Baltimore's run defense
and their defense just has really turned in really good
top to bottom. But their run defense is elite, and
they're like, we're just as tough as you. And that
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first drive they ran it down their throat and they
scored touchdowns, like, okay, Buffalo is here to play. But
they're like, listen, we're not getting crazy. Hear that. This
is not a November game of Josh throwing from three
or four touchdowns. We're gonna have to keep it a
little lower scoring. We're not gonna try to get some shootout.
We're gonna slow it down. And I think back to
back years Todd Munkins, you know, and listen, I thought,
I don't know if you saw Lamar's comments after the game.
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I mean, he didn't needs he got a root for
and he blamed himself, you know, the the the fumble.
He was saying, like, I can't throw it because it's
like an RPO and my offensive lineman or downfield, so
it's a penalty. Try to make a play ball slips out.
But I just think like just to gives or like
running back power till the cowns come home, or even
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just like one read passes and then just think, hey, Lomar,
nothing's there take off and how many times has he
done that? You know, the Steeler game and then that
game where you pick up seventy yards in the blink
of an eye, let alone a first down. And I
just think they overthink it that they play completely different
football these last two years in the regular season then,
and I'm not counting like four or five touchdown games
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against like crappy teams. I'm just saying big games might
have to win and then they change their style in
the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, they do it was I agree with this. It's
like they tried to prove that he can pass and
he can throw better. But what's what's what's the point.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It was a massive win for Buffalo because I think
if you just removed the quarterbacks, there's not a GM
in the league that would take Buffalo's roster over Baltimore.
In Baltimore, you know, the way they build defense, run
game translates to road home, snow whatever. That's a really
really big win for them to gain momentum into a
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team that like, yeah, there's the elefant in the room.
As they haven't beat him, but they played him really well.
They obviously beat him this year. I think they're uniquely
suited to win this game, but I think they can
win it.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yes, Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, how
much of that do we put on golf? What happened
to the Lions?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yeah? I mean I forget the player. Actually it might
have been too Remember like Christmas a couple of years
ago where it turns out he got KOed and like
it was like got it. He's throwing the ball what's
going on. It turns out he had a concussion. You
have to wonder if on now Gos's first pick six
was I mean, it's atrocious, but hey, it happens. You
just all leave your hands airmailed. The guy takes it six,
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he got destroyed, and you just have to wonder, like,
was he seeing a little fuzzy the rest of the game,
because he he has not looked like that really, definitely
this year, and definitely in the dome. You know, he's
had most moments outside in bad weather, but he doesn't
play like that in the Dome. And it's not like
he wasn't playing, you know, the Joe Gibbs. I don't
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even know. I was too young, but I would imagine
they had good defenses in the late eighties early nineties
like that, I mean, not Washington's defense. So for him
to throw those picks and just looked pretty bad and
it's weird, like and maybe because Ben Johnson got a
little freaked out that he was a little fuzzy to
call the double pass? Did Jameson Williams When you're down
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ten and you've driven the ball. They average moore yards
per carry than Washington, and the thing is when you
do that, you know, you do some sort of trick
play where the running back or wide receiver is gonna
throw the ball. Obviously the coaches tell him during practice
and training camp and forever, hey, he's not open, either
eat it or just throw it out of bounds. That
never happens because those guys are so amped up they
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want to let it flip, they want to let it rip,
so it's easy to go. I can't believe you threw
it in that. You know, when the guy's covered. I
think for the most part, you know, unless it's like
some ten year vet. But if you're telling me James
and Williams, is the guy cast with that, I'm like, yeah,
if it's if the guy's covered, it could be problematic.
And it clearly was worst case scenario.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, that one was why why why? But I also think, like, again,
I know Ben Johnson got the job today and he's
just a beloved offense score and era. I look myself
at the mir and go, that's that's inexperience, right, that's useful.
Exuberant's like, yeah, it works. It all looks good until
you get to a game and you tell a guy like, hey,
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if you don't see it, eat it, or throw it
out of bounds, and everybody's ego gets the best.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I also think I also think that in that situation,
when you're driving the ball, I don't mind calling that
play throughout the game. Maybe, you know, obviously, if you're
down huge, you need a spark, but when you're driving,
maybe in a tie game, but Matt spot ten points
like you scored, you're only down three points, Like that's
a pretty pivotal spot. Fourth quarter, only so many possessions left. Obviously,
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you know your genius when it works, you're an idiot
when it fails. But that, obviously he would like to
have that one back.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I mean so much, so, so much so.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Were you were you surprised because I know I was
a little bit when he took the Bears job.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I mean that the rumor was that that was the
one he wanted, right, I mean that was I'm a
little sert.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Of team, you know, like victay for the guys to
cover the Raiders. I don't think it was fake. You know, Tom,
I think was going full court pressed. And let's face it,
if you're I mean, Ben Johnson's under forty, Tom's way
older than him. I mean, Tom's got to be like
football Jesus, I'd be the equivalent in my two thousand
Michael Jordan pitch you on something, and he's a pretty
hard guy to turn down. But my take on that
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was it'd be one thing if Brady lived in Vegas
and every day you were going to work basically with him,
right and he was He's not not like he goes
in the building. So yeah, he can pitch you all
he wants, but you still see Mark Davis every day,
not him Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Very very true. But there was something about either Kayleb
Williams or about be you know, the Bears, having an
offensive guy who knows something about it, which made him
desirous to get that job because he had I think
his pick of pickup jobs.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
I mean, he could have got every one except the
cowboy job that might hire me or you.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, let me let me ask you about the cowboys.
What's the right hire there? You know.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I think it's fair to now look back and go
I wonder if Jerry thought when Monday started and the reason
he didn't fire him right away, which made us all
scratch our heads. You know, he thought he could eventually
get Mice to take like, you know, some fake two
year contracts. Hey, Mike, here's two years, twenty million dollars.
Do something that no one else would do. Mike would be,
you know, cool with just saying. And then Mike looks
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around and goes, well, one, I'm already super rich. Two
like I'm not just going to bend.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
The need to you.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
And three I think he thought like I might get
some of these other jobs. So I wonder if Jerry,
because in what world if you were going to fire him,
even being an a two year old, do you not
just fire him like Monday or Tuesday to play it out?
I wonder if Mike kind of turned on him, you know,
or Jerry just thought that he'd come crawling back, give
him some fake little short contract that we never see,
(29:45):
and then it kind of backfired, and now he's kind
of scrambling.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I think that's exactly what happened. I think both of
them are kind of scrambling. Bounce. I think McCarthy thought
he was getting a shot.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Yeah, so exactly. So Mike got kind of cocky and thought, well,
it's like I'm not been in these Jerry. When the
Bears are gonna miss out on Ben Jonson because he's
gonna go to Tom Brady and they'll give me four years,
where Jerry just wants to give me probably like two,
but it might actually only be one. So it's like
sea Jerry and Hell Mike's going don't really have a spot.
I still think Mike could end up at New Orleans
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if Glenn ends up with the Jets. But I think
Jerry is definitely trampled because when you see Brian Schottenheimer,
it's like, and I have nothing against Brian Schottenheimer, but
I think a lot of people just naturally don't want
to roof for him for some reason. I would say,
if you're going to hire Brian Schottenheimer, you guys as well,
just Ket McCarthy, right.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, Yeah, that one would be a weird.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Hire Jerry if he did that, Jerry would I mean,
he always takes a lot of crap. I think it
would really turn like he's turned into Al Davis two
thousand and six. That's what it would really start feeling like,
wouldn't it.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah? How come? I I just again, it could be me,
but I thought Kellen Moore would be the guy. If
it's what about Kellen Moore? Why doesn't he fit that
job well.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I think he does too. I wonder, you know, if
you're Kellen, you're going, well, I like being in Philly.
I'm making a ton of money this organization. They liked
me a lot too, Sirianic. You get fired at any moment,
why wouldn't they. They just had a saying where Shane
Stiken walked out the door and they kind of regretted that,
why do I want to go back to Jerry when
everyone just knows that I'm just Jerry's lapdog. We're here,
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you know, the coach kind of gets to be say
what you want kind of a star as well. With
the GM Howie and they and unlike the Cowboys, where
some of these contracts and doing football stuff can be
a pain because Jerry's that's not an issue. With the Eagles,
it's like who do you want to find? Who do
you want to trade for? Let's get aggressive, you know,
It's kind of their mantra. So I wonder if Kellen,
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after leaving the Cowboys and kind of seeing some other
teams realize that, like, you know, dealing with Jerry is
not as easy as It's just not easy, you know,
and that would probably be the defense of Mike. Why
even if Mike, even if he thought like he was
getting the Bears job like this is. This is not
an easy gig, This is a want it.
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it is minus two degrees here, and it is let's
see here, it feels like minus eleven, feels like minus eleven.
I think it's pretty warm in southern California.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Anybody having wink it's another windy day. It's about sixty
low sixties.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Oh, lose sixties. Yes, that's that's really tough. Who that's
really tough, the difference in temperature over low sixty. I
thought it was supposed to be nice today or is
it tomorrow? It's like seventy seventy five, like you're talking about.
Let's say it's sixty five, is it sixty five degrees?
Let's say it's sixty five and it's was it minus four? Here?
(33:55):
A difference of sixty nine degrees And that's not even
what it feels like right, feels like minus twenty one.
And that's what I've says on my phone. That's crazy,
that's crazy. Let's get to a game.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
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Speaker 2 (34:35):
Doug ranked the final four teams left in the NFL
playoffs from one to four.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Uh, I'm gonna go Chiefs one, Eagles two, Bills three,
Commanders four. Now I ranked these things, okay, and what
happens is like a Commander Faer like, hey, look, we
went and beat the lines of the line. I got it.
But I've seen this Eagle team, no matter how average
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they can look offensively, go to a Super Bowl, no
matter how dysfunctional they can look in the locker room,
go to the NFC Championship game and have home field
advinge right and with Kansas City. I don't care how
much better Buffalo has looked at times when they played
against each other, Between the Chiefs and the Bills, until
they beat the Chiefs in Kansas City, the Chiefs are
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number one.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Doug ring the three most important players left in the
NFL playoffs A lot of different ways you can go
with this.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I still think it's quarterbacks, right, I
still think it's Daniels at three, Allen at two, Mahomes
at one.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I wondered if Jalen Hurts would have been in there
just because of his lack of production lately.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
But they're still able to be successful despite it, you know,
I mean, Sequon, I'm torn between Saquon Barkley and Jalen Hurts,
you know. So Whereas I think so much more of
the weight is on the shoulder of Daniels, so much
more of the weight is on the shoulder of Allan,
so much moreter weight to the shoulders on my homes.
(36:13):
That that's my thing.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Doug rank the three most marquee college football programs right
now in the college football game discussion.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Alabama, I would say with the number three one, oh okay,
I would go with Bama three, Ohio State two, and
Georgia one. Georgia one, they went back to back Town else.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I know what yesterday you were telling me all about
Notre Dame and when we did the Notre Dame Ohio
State Info graphic, So Notre Dame did't even make the
top three.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Interesting. Okay, not out of Georgia and Bama. I mean,
the only reason Bama's at three is because they have
a different coach. If Saban was there, Bama would still
be number one.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
DOUG ranked three players on the ballot from the Baseball
Writers Association of America to go into the Hall of Fame.
Announcement tonight at six o'clock Eastern time.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Okay, three plays.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I think the top three are each rows on the
ballot for the first time. Billy Wagner missed by five
votes last year. It's his final time on the ballot
this time around.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Again. I don't know numbers. I only know these are
all guys in our lifetime. So I'm gonna go each
he ro Okay, I'm gonna go Dustin Pedroia Wow, all right.
And I'm gonna go Jimmy Rollins.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
Jimmy, that's gross. I'm gonna go uh one, each row, two, nobody, three, nobody.
For each row to share the day with any of
those losers would be a mark on his legacy.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
No love for a rod or Manny Ramirez Reuters that
they are and that is game time.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Game.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
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Speaker 1 (38:09):
I actually want to talk about that. I do. I
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it's really weird, but I'm going to do it because
there's nothing fake about this man. Dan Byer, Congratulations to you.
I know you didn't actually win the game last night,
but since the day I since the day I, since
the day I met you, you have said, hey, you
know when we start talking about things you like, you're like, oh, hi,
(01:06):
State football, I love how to State football, Like, really,
how was state football? And I just what? I just again,
you're not the You're not the fringe. But take me
through the last month and a half or so where
they lose to Michigan and win a national championship.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's funny you say that because I thought about it
a lot over the last twenty four hours, because I've
thought a lot about it throughout this past season. I
think I've told people that beating Michigan was the only
thing that mattered this year because what had happened over
the previous three years and then when they didn't dug
there was an extreme hangover from it, and it for me,
(01:51):
it wasn't over after they beat Tennessee, like it's still lingered.
We you know, we talked on the show. I went
to the Rose Bowl at what a what a start
that they had again Oregon. But I even said to
the guy standing next to me in the crowd after
they jumped out to the big lead, I'm like, why
couldn't they do this against Michigan? And it's still like
that cloud hungover. But after they beat Oregon it was
(02:12):
kind of like it cleared a little bit. And then
the Texas win was as crazy as it was, and honestly,
it helps to face a team like Notre Dame with
the prestige. Something we talked about yesterday, there is I've
mentioned motivation a lot, and even though Ohio State was
the sizeable favorite, it is still Notre Dame to your point,
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and there is some motivation with it. And it was an,
I don't want to say an overwhelming feeling, because I
don't think it was overwhelming, but it made everything somewhat okay,
and so that lunatic fringe that still wants to all
of that was really softened. It changes my perspective on
a lot of things. And now it's the third national
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championship in my lifetime that I've experienced. All of them
have different feelings. This one's a little bit of a
relief that it finally bray, you know, they broke through.
But it's also a great feeling considering how the plan
that they had and whether you don't you like the
money or you don't like the money that they spent,
the plan came to fruition and that was so awesome
(03:18):
to see last night.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Stug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports. Trailer that's Dan Byer,
of course, you see him all You hear him all
the time on our show. You hear his own show
as well. On Sundays he has his I Want Your
Flex pod, which covers the National Football League as well.
So he's a man of many, many trades. I'll tell
you what I saw was, I was actually really impressed
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with Notre Dame. From this perspective. They weren't as good
as Ohio State. And maybe this is me now understanding
where my own program is or whatever, but that first
drive was all about preparation, toughness. I thought it was awesome,
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and you're like, man, the problem is that dialing up
play after play after play is just too hard, And
I thought I thought that to the layman it would
sound condescending what Fowler and Herbstreet were talking about and
the level of fatigue the offense felt like they'd gone
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through just to get that drive. The reality is it
was completely accurate, right that they had to put everything
they had into getting a seven to nothing lead. And
it's really interesting. Right again, I won't use my perspective
as a current basketball coach. Oft Tina slawst fifteen games
in a row and how many games we have led
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in the second half. And look, we don't have our
best player, our best score At times we haven't had
our two best players are best scorers for substantial my time.
We didn't have our big guy until recently. Anyway, The
point is that part of it is once you go
to your bench, no one's depth is the same as
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their starters anymore. And again that's the real difference in
the spending at the highest level and on down is
you spend on guys to keep them on your bench
to give you depth, whereas otherwise they will never come
and they will never sit there ever, and you just
get worn out. By being close or by taking a lead.
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You give up so much in effort and energy that
eventually they say water finds its level. Like look, not
to Dame played a hell of a game. I mean,
if they make that field goal, and you know they
needed some huge conversions to get the field goal, and
when they're down eighteen they make that field goal and
it's still interesting. But the reality is when they had
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to sell out go Casinos zero cover, they can't cover
the best wide receiver in the country man a man
just to can't happen. Ohio State's just better. And if
there's a parallel between anything else in sports. There's two
sports that I thought parallel what we saw last night.
One was college basketball, where conference championships don't really matter anymore,
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they just don't, and the randomness of things, you know,
goes out the window. And the second one was Major
League baseball, when you have salary cap free teams, most times,
the more games you play, the teams with the better
talent will win. And the Dodgers spent more money essentially
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than anybody else. I know, you could tell me some
teams spend more money with the Yankees, but the reality
is what they spent on show. Hey, that's just that's
just clever accounting. And Ohio State spent more money than
anybody else, not just on the players. Remember they got
Chip Kelly, who's been a super talented offensive coordinator, head
coach in the NFL, head coach in college. Their offense,
(07:00):
they got Jim Knowles for I think two million dollars
run their defense. And then they spend more money on
the roster than anybody else. That's money well spent. And
I just thought they were better, and the more it
played out, it looked as such. And I don't think
the score was indicative of the difference in those two teams.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
The interesting part of it, and this is where what's
taken over the last I'd say leading up to this game.
I know ESPN had a discussion about it, sow it
on social media as well, is because there still seems
to feel there still seems to be this even though
it's legal, this dirtiness a little bit with nil where
if you're paying so much for it. In the Ohio state,
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argument is we paid a lot of our guys to
come back, not everyone. Will Howard was a transfer. Jeremiah
Smith obviously is a freshman and had options to go elsewhere.
Quinchahn Judkins came from Ole miss Those guys came into
the program. But to keep Travon Henderson and JTT and
Jack Sawyer. Caleb down came in as well. He would
be a part of the other group, but to keep
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that core to come back and win. I do think
changes the narrative a little bit because those guys were
in the program. Now where those extra parts the pieces
to put them over the top. Maybe so, But that's
where I think that the argument is in the conversation
is very interesting. Just buying a team Essentially you're almost
investing into some of your own players.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah. Look, that's the smart way to do it. Okay,
just so we're aware, Like the best way to do
it is to get really good players and then to
keep them. It actually costs you more money to get
your guys outside of your program. I think what's interesting
is I don't know if they spent crazy money on
Will Howard, right, I feel like Will Howard was at
a relative bargain in comparison to other quarterbacks in the market,
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And I think the brilliance to it is, like you said,
keeping the players that you want from going to the
NFL or leaving to go elsewhere a couple of guys,
but not overspending on quarterback. If you overspent, if you
have twenty million dollars and you spend five million dollars
on quarterback, if that quarterback isn't good enough or gets hurt,
(09:12):
you're screwed. I mean, look, that's what happened to USC.
You know, they spent a ton of money on Kayleb
Williams both years and didn't have a ton of money
on the rest of the roster. And that's what it
looked like. So it's fascinating as you try and be
(09:32):
the GM or you hire a GM, what you're what
you have to do in roster manipulation. But I actually
feel really good for Ryan Day. I don't I don't
know him at all at all, But what is Jack
Suaer what? It's one of those things. I thought the
whole flag planting and they're fighting thing was embarrassing, But
(09:53):
then when I think back to it, what was he
saying is like, you guys are done, we still you'll
have to play like to get a team back on
track and to play as well as they played against Tennessee.
When you have that amount of emotional drain from a
loss like the loss to Michigan, that's what coaching is.
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That's what coaching is.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
It's funny, Doug because and that's actually I wanted to
bring this point up.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Before we wrapped it up.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Being a fan of being a fan as long as
I have, I remember that I remember the Earl Bruce days.
I remember they played BYU and a Citrus Bowl, which
they won like ten to seven, and they beat Texas
A and M and a Cotton Bowl. But Earl Bruce
is let go, so they bring in John Cooper and
they don't have great success, they lose a Liberty Bowl
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to Air Force. Everybody talks about John Cooper and says
couldn't beat Michigan. But the other part of the equation
was they also weren't winning their bowl games, and that
was a really really big deal twenty thirty years ago.
Winning your bowl game was a badge of honor. It
kept coaches jobs maybe longer than they should and had
(11:07):
them cut loose earlier. Not only could John Cooper not
beat Michigan, but then they would go to a bowl
game and they couldn't win those games and that was
held against him. And I think we kind of have
gotten away from that. But now what I find interesting
and I'm interested to see on how things will go.
Will coaches be criticized if they have early round flameouts,
will they stay longer because of a deep run into
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this bracketed tournament? Really really different, And I didn't know
how I would feel as well, because usually if you
lose to Michigan, Doug, your season's gone because Michigan's going
to the Rose Bowl or they're the team that's going
to advance because that game always meant so much. And
now you have this weird mix of emotions where honestly,
there is still this little gap in your heart where
(11:49):
you're like, gosh, we've lost them four times. For as
great as this was, that still needs to be filled
at some point. But this was such a great victory
that it's different than it was thirty years ago. Like
if you lose to Mission and you Michigan and you
win the Outbag Bowl, maybe it wasn't the end all
be all, but it gave you a little something. This
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gave you a lot of something. This gave you a
whole lot of something.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, I just again, I can't speak for personal experience,
you know, And I've said this has happened to us
a bunch of times. And obviously you're like, well, you've
lost a bunch of times. No, yes, I do. And
I know that sometimes you lose because of the opponent.
Sometimes you lose because of the travel. Sometimes you lose
because you're not emotionally where you're supposed to be. Like
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I thought one of the games we lost because we'd
won a game before and we didn't know how to
handle it, like our whole persona had changed, right. But
I think a lot of times you lose or you
get down because of the game before, and you know,
you always say, don't let that opponent beat you twice,
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and Michigan didn't beat them to And that was really, really,
really impressive because I just I thought that Ohio State
didn't just look better. I thought they looked really well coached.
It wasn't like they just lined up and said, hey,
we're just gonna you know, roll back and you know,
throw it up in the air and go get it
because we're just better than you. I thought they were
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expertly coached, and they played really, really hard. And obviously
it's National championship game, everybody plays hard. But that was
a good football team. And it also speaks to the
you know, Notre Dame being there, Ohio State being there
after losing to Michigan. It speaks to the reality of
what I believed in the selection. I understand you're like,
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how can Alabama play in there and lose to Ohio State,
But again, their peaks, their best is better than Indiana's best.
They played a way harder schedule and you have emotional letdowns.
Notre Dame lost to Northern Illinois at home, but that
was after they beat Texas A and M and there's
no doubt that arrogance creep crept in so and I
(14:05):
know there does come a point. Maybe that was people's
thing with the Alabama's like, hey, look I get it
to a point they went they crept over that point.
That's fine. But I don't believe we had the best
twelve teams play for a national championship. I just don't.
I thought it was a first year and the first
year like coaching, like first year on a radio show,
like a first year of marriage. Wrap right with rot
(14:29):
with flaws. But I think the biggest flaw was those
weren't the twelve best teams, and they were seated in
a way that wasn't representative of even how they would
have been seated if you did say they were the
twelve best teams.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And we're going to see change for sure in the
next it possibly as soon as next year, and how
they're going to do it.
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can always have instant access to our Fox Sports Radio
videos on YouTube. So the Raiders are considering hiring seventy
three year old Peek Carol, And this is what people do, right,
You hire inexperience doesn't work, Go to experience. And I
(15:45):
don't know if anybody's more experience. Who's out there on
the market on the market. Remember Belichick has maybe more experience,
but not on the market, has a current job than
Peek Carol. I truly think we look at this the
wrong way. I just do. Could Pete Caroll work in
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with the Raiders, of course, but what's his staff look like?
How does that look? You know, he had a couple
of different offensive coordinators with Seattle. He's always very, very conservative,
but when he was at his best in Seattle, he
(16:27):
had an elite defensive coordinator. That guy is currently coaching
the Washington Commanders. So what is the overall plan? What
are they doing at quarterback? What's the overall plan? How
do you rebuild it? Who's the GM. I just think
we look in such linear fashion. Will this guy work?
Will Ben Johnson work? Well, I'm guessing that Ben Johnson won.
(16:48):
He's going to be great with the quarterback. And two,
he's had a year to figure out exactly who I
want to run my defense, and he's had a couple
of weeks to figure out who's going to be on
the market, how much they're gonna cost. So would I
hire Pete Carroll? He wouldn't be my first choice, but
if he brings in stability, he's always energetic, popping that
(17:09):
gum over in the sideline. If you get the right
guys around him, like you know, he has what you've
been liking since Gruden left, which is experience, which is experience.
And then you look around that division and that entire
division has great experience at head coach Andy Reid and
(17:32):
Jim Harbaugh and Sean Payton. Granted he's older, but you know,
I mean, how many years have we given these guys
in the NFL. Pro sports different than college sports in
terms of how much you're letting guys evolve and get
through their first couple of recruiting classes stuck Outleik Show
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(17:55):
Season NFI anist hosts a three and OW podcast, And look,
I know you watch college football, but you studied the NFL.
When you're watching last night, any huge takeaways, well, I.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Mean Ohio State on offense is just loaded with blue chip,
explosive players, and I just think the sport of football,
I'd say, like a lot of sports, you know, it's
more offensive incline now, and college football thirty forty years
ago was just kind of run three yards, run three yards.
If you have the better players, you would win and
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just run it down their throat. Now it's thrown it
around the yard. And they got NFL wide receivers, they
got explosive NFL backs, their quarterbacks good. I mean that
to me was the biggest difference of Notre Dame's just
not really an explosive offense. They don't have the blue
chippers on the outside. And the one thing Ryan Day
I would say, like the Ohio State teams I grew
up on that were really good. You know, when you
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close your eyes, you think Mike Brabel, you think AJ Hawk,
you know, you think guys like that defensive backs, defensive lineman.
Now under Ryan Davies, even even with with Rban, with
the Bosa brothers, they had a lot of good defensive
in front sevens. He built the team like an SEC team.
Not that Ryan Day doesn't recruit good defensive players, but
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you know, best defensive players in Alabama transfer was save
and retired. But his teams have really been defined by
unreal passing games and that was on full display. Really
just playoff run. You know, Texas did the best job
and at the end of the day, you know, Texas
quarterback Quinn Ewers, I think he's making a mistake if
he's really leaving millions of dollars on the table going pro.
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But their roster, minus the quarterback was probably the second
best in the country when when the dust settled. So
it's not really shocking that they gave him the best game.
I know last night the score was kind of close,
but let's face them, I mean it was it was
a blowout and they kind of came to scorming back
in the second half.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I agree, I don't think the score was indicative of
the difference in the in the in the two teams.
Let's get to the nation Football League. So here we
are again with Lamar Jackson's team losing. Now, on the downside,
he did fumble, he did throw it, throw it, by
his own estimations, a terrible pick in the first half.
On the plus side, he had to go eighty eight
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yards and he did so, and then might have not
been the perfect play or the perfect pass, but it
hit Mark Andrews between the numbers and he dropped in
the two point conversion. What do we do now with
the Lamar Jackson can't win the big win narrative.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, I think there's just a lot going on with
this kind of story. You know, whenever I see people
like Daniel Orlowski try to say you're a loser if
you blame him, like, clearly he was better than years past.
I mean, to me, he was dramatically better in this
game than he was in the AFC Chancer game. But
he's still had two turnovers. And in these games, like
Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen the O, their numbers don't
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look great. This is the playoff football. It's the only thing.
No one cares how many touchdowns you throw for or
what's going on about winning and losing and not the
ball over, because when you turn the ball over in
the playoffs, it's a problem. When you turn over the
ball multiple times, which he did, it's a big problem
because one of those turnovers the fumble gate with seven
points and we're going final scores. Didn't retin the game now,
(21:14):
Like I also don't put it fully on him. The
coaching staff. That first drive where you went got Baltimore
might kill these guys. I think gave them like this
confidence of like, Okay, Lamar can throw it just like
a normal game. And they didn't rely enough on the run.
I mean they had drives where they ran it right
down the road, the one drive that basically got him
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right back in the game, and then they passed on
the two point conversion where Milano tipped. It's like, guys,
you have Shaquille O'Neal at running back, who, even however
many years into his career nine ten years, looks like
he's in his prime. He looked good in that game,
like I would have handed in the ball thirty times.
They literally just why didn't they run the same game
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plan they had against Pittsburgh And I think last year
Mahomes this year against Josh, they're like obsessed. It's like
to prove he's a better passer.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I agree. I agree, it's a great point. It's not
b wait you're telling I think a third of the story.
They have a great running back. They have arguably or
inarguably the best running quarterback of all time, and I
got Justice Hill was really good running back as well. Like,
and it's snowing outside. Even the Bills barely threw the
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ball in the first half. What are they doing?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
I mean, Sean McDermott and Josh Allen weren't trying to
prove anything except win the game, right, and honestly, they
tried to prove which was risky. They kind of went
what Ohio State did against Michigan because Baltimore's run defense
and their defense just has really turned in really good
top to bottom. But their run defense is elite, and
they're like, we're just as tough as you. And that
(22:51):
first drive they ran it down their throat and they
scored touchdowns, like, okay, Buffalo is here to play. But
they're like, listen, we're not getting crazy. Hear that. This
is not a November game of Josh throwing from three
or four touchdowns. We're gonna have to keep it a
little lower scoring. We're not gonna try to get some shootout.
We're gonna slow it down. And I think back to
back years Todd Munkins, you know, and listen, I thought,
I don't know if you saw Lamar's comments after the game.
(23:13):
I mean, he didn't needs he got a root for
and he blamed himself, you know, the the the fumble.
He was saying, like, I can't throw it because it's
like an RPO and my offensive lineman or downfield, so
it's a penalty. Try to make a play ball slips out.
But I just think like just to gives or like
running back power till the cowns come home, or even
(23:34):
just like one read passes and then just think, hey, Lomar,
nothing's there take off and how many times has he
done that? You know, the Steeler game and then that
game where you pick up seventy yards in the blink
of an eye, let alone a first down. And I
just think they overthink it that they play completely different
football these last two years in the regular season then,
and I'm not counting like four or five touchdown games
(23:55):
against like crappy teams. I'm just saying big games might
have to win and then they change their style in
the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, they do it was I agree with this. It's
like they tried to prove that he can pass and
he can throw better. But what's what's what's the point.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It was a massive win for Buffalo because I think
if you just removed the quarterbacks, there's not a GM
in the league that would take Buffalo's roster over Baltimore.
In Baltimore, you know, the way they build defense, run
game translates to road home, snow whatever. That's a really
really big win for them to gain momentum into a
(24:32):
team that like, yeah, there's the elefant in the room.
As they haven't beat him, but they played him really well.
They obviously beat him this year. I think they're uniquely
suited to win this game, but I think they can
win it.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yes, Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, how
much of that do we put on golf? What happened
to the Lions?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yeah? I mean I forget the player. Actually it might
have been too Remember like Christmas a couple of years
ago where it turns out he got KOed and like
it was like got it. He's throwing the ball what's
going on. It turns out he had a concussion. You
have to wonder if on now Gos's first pick six
was I mean, it's atrocious, but hey, it happens. You
just all leave your hands airmailed. The guy takes it six,
(25:17):
he got destroyed, and you just have to wonder, like,
was he seeing a little fuzzy the rest of the game,
because he he has not looked like that really, definitely
this year, and definitely in the dome. You know, he's
had most moments outside in bad weather, but he doesn't
play like that in the Dome. And it's not like
he wasn't playing, you know, the Joe Gibbs. I don't
(25:39):
even know. I was too young, but I would imagine
they had good defenses in the late eighties early nineties
like that, I mean, not Washington's defense. So for him
to throw those picks and just looked pretty bad and
it's weird, like and maybe because Ben Johnson got a
little freaked out that he was a little fuzzy to
call the double pass? Did Jameson Williams When you're down
(26:01):
ten and you've driven the ball. They average moore yards
per carry than Washington, and the thing is when you
do that, you know, you do some sort of trick
play where the running back or wide receiver is gonna
throw the ball. Obviously the coaches tell him during practice
and training camp and forever, hey, he's not open, either
eat it or just throw it out of bounds. That
never happens because those guys are so amped up they
(26:22):
want to let it flip, they want to let it rip,
so it's easy to go. I can't believe you threw
it in that. You know, when the guy's covered. I
think for the most part, you know, unless it's like
some ten year vet. But if you're telling me James
and Williams, is the guy cast with that, I'm like, yeah,
if it's if the guy's covered, it could be problematic.
And it clearly was worst case scenario.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, that one was why why why? But I also think, like, again,
I know Ben Johnson got the job today and he's
just a beloved offense score and era. I look myself
at the mir and go, that's that's inexperience, right, that's useful.
Exuberant's like, yeah, it works. It all looks good until
you get to a game and you tell a guy like, hey,
(27:03):
if you don't see it, eat it, or throw it
out of bounds, and everybody's ego gets the best.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I also think I also think that in that situation,
when you're driving the ball, I don't mind calling that
play throughout the game. Maybe, you know, obviously, if you're
down huge, you need a spark, but when you're driving,
maybe in a tie game, but Matt spot ten points
like you scored, you're only down three points, Like that's
a pretty pivotal spot. Fourth quarter, only so many possessions left. Obviously,
(27:29):
you know your genius when it works, you're an idiot
when it fails. But that, obviously he would like to
have that one back.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I mean so much, so, so much so.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Were you were you surprised because I know I was
a little bit when he took the Bears job.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I mean that the rumor was that that was the
one he wanted, right, I mean that was I'm a
little sert.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Of team, you know, like victay for the guys to
cover the Raiders. I don't think it was fake. You know, Tom,
I think was going full court pressed. And let's face it,
if you're I mean, Ben Johnson's under forty, Tom's way
older than him. I mean, Tom's got to be like
football Jesus, I'd be the equivalent in my two thousand
Michael Jordan pitch you on something, and he's a pretty
hard guy to turn down. But my take on that
(28:14):
was it'd be one thing if Brady lived in Vegas
and every day you were going to work basically with him,
right and he was He's not not like he goes
in the building. So yeah, he can pitch you all
he wants, but you still see Mark Davis every day,
not him Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Very very true. But there was something about either Kayleb
Williams or about be you know, the Bears, having an
offensive guy who knows something about it, which made him
desirous to get that job because he had I think
his pick of pickup jobs.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
I mean, he could have got every one except the
cowboy job that might hire me or you.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, let me let me ask you about the cowboys.
What's the right hire there? You know.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I think it's fair to now look back and go
I wonder if Jerry thought when Monday started and the reason
he didn't fire him right away, which made us all
scratch our heads. You know, he thought he could eventually
get Mice to take like, you know, some fake two
year contracts. Hey, Mike, here's two years, twenty million dollars.
Do something that no one else would do. Mike would be,
you know, cool with just saying. And then Mike looks
(29:18):
around and goes, well, one, I'm already super rich. Two
like I'm not just going to bend.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
The need to you.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
And three I think he thought like I might get
some of these other jobs. So I wonder if Jerry,
because in what world if you were going to fire him,
even being an a two year old, do you not
just fire him like Monday or Tuesday to play it out?
I wonder if Mike kind of turned on him, you know,
or Jerry just thought that he'd come crawling back, give
him some fake little short contract that we never see,
(29:45):
and then it kind of backfired, and now he's kind
of scrambling.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I think that's exactly what happened. I think both of
them are kind of scrambling. Bounce. I think McCarthy thought
he was getting a shot.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Yeah, so exactly. So Mike got kind of cocky and thought, well,
it's like I'm not been in these Jerry. When the
Bears are gonna miss out on Ben Jonson because he's
gonna go to Tom Brady and they'll give me four years,
where Jerry just wants to give me probably like two,
but it might actually only be one. So it's like
sea Jerry and Hell Mike's going don't really have a spot.
I still think Mike could end up at New Orleans
(30:15):
if Glenn ends up with the Jets. But I think
Jerry is definitely trampled because when you see Brian Schottenheimer,
it's like, and I have nothing against Brian Schottenheimer, but
I think a lot of people just naturally don't want
to roof for him for some reason. I would say,
if you're going to hire Brian Schottenheimer, you guys as well,
just Ket McCarthy, right.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, Yeah, that one would be a weird.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Hire Jerry if he did that, Jerry would I mean,
he always takes a lot of crap. I think it
would really turn like he's turned into Al Davis two
thousand and six. That's what it would really start feeling like,
wouldn't it.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah? How come? I I just again, it could be me,
but I thought Kellen Moore would be the guy. If
it's what about Kellen Moore? Why doesn't he fit that
job well.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I think he does too. I wonder, you know, if
you're Kellen, you're going, well, I like being in Philly.
I'm making a ton of money this organization. They liked
me a lot too, Sirianic. You get fired at any moment,
why wouldn't they. They just had a saying where Shane
Stiken walked out the door and they kind of regretted that,
why do I want to go back to Jerry when
everyone just knows that I'm just Jerry's lapdog. We're here,
(31:27):
you know, the coach kind of gets to be say
what you want kind of a star as well. With
the GM Howie and they and unlike the Cowboys, where
some of these contracts and doing football stuff can be
a pain because Jerry's that's not an issue. With the Eagles,
it's like who do you want to find? Who do
you want to trade for? Let's get aggressive, you know,
It's kind of their mantra. So I wonder if Kellen,
(31:47):
after leaving the Cowboys and kind of seeing some other
teams realize that, like, you know, dealing with Jerry is
not as easy as It's just not easy, you know,
and that would probably be the defense of Mike. Why
even if Mike, even if he thought like he was
getting the Bears job like this is. This is not
an easy gig, This is a want it.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
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Speaker 3 (32:43):
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Speaker 1 (32:51):
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see here, it feels like minus eleven, feels like minus eleven.
I think it's pretty warm in southern California.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Anybody having wink it's another windy day. It's about sixty
low sixties.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Oh, lose sixties. Yes, that's that's really tough. Who that's
really tough, the difference in temperature over low sixty. I
thought it was supposed to be nice today or is
it tomorrow? It's like seventy seventy five, like you're talking about.
Let's say it's sixty five, is it sixty five degrees?
Let's say it's sixty five and it's was it minus four? Here?
(33:55):
A difference of sixty nine degrees And that's not even
what it feels like right, feels like minus twenty one.
And that's what I've says on my phone. That's crazy,
that's crazy. Let's get to a game.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
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Speaker 2 (34:35):
Doug ranked the final four teams left in the NFL
playoffs from one to four.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Uh, I'm gonna go Chiefs one, Eagles two, Bills three,
Commanders four. Now I ranked these things, okay, and what
happens is like a Commander Faer like, hey, look, we
went and beat the lines of the line. I got it.
But I've seen this Eagle team, no matter how average
(35:04):
they can look offensively, go to a Super Bowl, no
matter how dysfunctional they can look in the locker room,
go to the NFC Championship game and have home field
advinge right and with Kansas City. I don't care how
much better Buffalo has looked at times when they played
against each other, Between the Chiefs and the Bills, until
they beat the Chiefs in Kansas City, the Chiefs are
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number one.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Doug ring the three most important players left in the
NFL playoffs A lot of different ways you can go
with this.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I still think it's quarterbacks, right, I
still think it's Daniels at three, Allen at two, Mahomes
at one.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I wondered if Jalen Hurts would have been in there
just because of his lack of production lately.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
But they're still able to be successful despite it, you know,
I mean, Sequon, I'm torn between Saquon Barkley and Jalen Hurts,
you know. So Whereas I think so much more of
the weight is on the shoulder of Daniels, so much
more of the weight is on the shoulder of Allan,
so much moreter weight to the shoulders on my homes.
(36:13):
That that's my thing.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Doug rank the three most marquee college football programs right
now in the college football game discussion.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Alabama, I would say with the number three one, oh okay,
I would go with Bama three, Ohio State two, and
Georgia one. Georgia one, they went back to back Town else.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I know what yesterday you were telling me all about
Notre Dame and when we did the Notre Dame Ohio
State Info graphic, So Notre Dame did't even make the
top three.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Interesting. Okay, not out of Georgia and Bama. I mean,
the only reason Bama's at three is because they have
a different coach. If Saban was there, Bama would still
be number one.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
DOUG ranked three players on the ballot from the Baseball
Writers Association of America to go into the Hall of Fame.
Announcement tonight at six o'clock Eastern time.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Okay, three plays.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I think the top three are each rows on the
ballot for the first time. Billy Wagner missed by five
votes last year. It's his final time on the ballot
this time around.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Again. I don't know numbers. I only know these are
all guys in our lifetime. So I'm gonna go each
he ro Okay, I'm gonna go Dustin Pedroia Wow, all right.
And I'm gonna go Jimmy Rollins.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
Jimmy, that's gross. I'm gonna go uh one, each row, two, nobody, three, nobody.
For each row to share the day with any of
those losers would be a mark on his legacy.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
No love for a rod or Manny Ramirez Reuters that
they are and that is game time.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Game.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
This is game time on the DOUG Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I actually want to talk about that. I do. I
want to talk about that upcoming next. Uh, that's upcoming next.
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