February 4, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug and the crew react to Tom Brady's comments on the Chiefs and whether or not we should appreciate the greatness and the excellence of them potentially winning three championships in a row. Dan shares his latest "Beyer's Remorse". Doug welcomes former Falcons' GM Thomas Dimitroff onto the show to talk about the Super Bowl matchup, some of the head coach hires and the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan takes Doug through "The Press".
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done a bunch of other radio interviews. I get asked
about this all the time, and obviously I'm fully aware
that my college basketball team, people would not be asking
us about the consistency of excellence because we just have
not accomplished that yet. But it's interesting on how many
people like to promote the idea that we hate, that
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everybody hates the Chiefs, hates the Chiefs. Let's just do this, Okay,
We're all on different levels of educated supports fans. Dan Byer,
are you tired over done with the Chiefs? Yes, okay,
I'll come back in one second. Jase, do I know
you are not? You are rooting for excellence. You want
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greatness back to back to back titles. That's something you
have made very clear since day one of the season.
Am I correct?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Confirm that?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I confirm?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Sam? Where are you on the Chiefs? Over or rooting for?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I'm over them, I'm all, I'm one hundred percent Eagles. Baby,
let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Okay, I'll give my I I'm in awe. I feel
like this is so many topics in which I'm supposed
to be this dude who sits there and goes yes
or no or in or out or over or four,
and I'm just I'm just enjoying the whole thing. One
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of the issues I have in terms of rooting against
the Chiefs is that the Eagles are on the other side, right,
I mean this is and I don't know any of
the players or have any bad but plays. I hate
the Eagles fans. They are the most obnoxious group I
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have ever found in creation. Like Raider fans think Eagle
fans are a little over the top. It's reality to it. Yeah.
I also not a huge fan of Sirianni, not just
because of the WWE character act, but just because I
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do think it's an act.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I do.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I don't think that's who he really is. I could
be wrong. I don't think that's who he is. I
think when he goes home, he's probably a completely different dude.
And that performative acting thing, I'm just I'm not into it.
So what happens with the Chiefs is, Yeah, I've been
a Charger fan forever, and yeah, like anybody who watches
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the NFL is like, why did the Chiefs get away
withholding every game? Now, keep in mind, I don't watch
my own guys to see if they get away with holding.
I don't, but I do watch the Chiefs that I
feel like it. So to say that I'm over it
would be an overstatement, but to say that I'm rooting
for them not really. What I do want. What I
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do wish is that people understand this. Maybe siding with you,
Jase two, is at some point during greatness, can we
recognize greatness? Pat Mahomes is an amazing football player, and
we could give credit to Andy Reid, but Andy Reid
was the coach of the Chiefs before they got Pat
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Mahomes and then he sniff anywhere near a super Bowl.
They had the same problem all the Chiefs teams had,
which was they would lose early in the playoffs, usually
at home, by the way. But there are lots of
people who are over them, just dam over them. And
I get it if you grew up in southern California
like I did, Rick D's in the morning, tell us
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what time it is and tell us what the climate is,
but you would hear. I remember summer after second grade,
Borderline was on all the time. You never Madonna. Boardline
was that like our first big song.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
I think Holiday was the first single off that debut album,
but Borderline Will the Uh was the third single. Like
a Star I think was the second single in nineteen
eighty three.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, so I remember, and how did I do with
my age? There? Let's see here, eighty three probably this
is probably makes his summer of eighty four. I was, yeah,
eighty three, eighty four, that's about right, big second grade,
third grade. I remember. There's an old high school basketball
coach for a long time named Wayne Marino. He used
to pick up me and my brother and we go
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to a modern Day camp in the morning in a
Fountain Valley high school basketball camp in the afternoon, and
I would sit in the back of his uh, the
the small Toyota remember the small Toyota pickup trucks. What
are they called? I just I think they were just
called a Toyota truck, right, Those are the ones that
people would peel off some of the letters and would
say toy on the back, you guys, remember those? And
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it had a what are the covers called? What's what's
that called? A camper shit like a camper shell? Is
that what's called? Anyway, he would blast Rick D's in
the morning when we go to Modern Day camp. We'd
come out and Borderline would be on again, and by
like the end of summer, like if I hear Madonna
one more time, I'm going to hurt somebody. That's I
think where we are with the Chiefs. Well, Tom Brady
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was calling the game for Fox, had this to say
about people who are over the Chiefs.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
Well, I'm broadcasting the game, so I don't really have
a rooting interest per se. The one thing I root
for in these situations are great games. I will say
if the Chiefs win, I will be very happy for them.
I mean, what they've achieved is unmatched. And I think
that's cool because people always hated on us for so
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many years and I didn't understand it because all I
did was like, we try to do things the right way.
We try to go out there and compete for our
job and win. And like there's an excellence that I
appreciate about people who are doing other things that really
high levels because you understand the commitment that it takes
for them to do what they're doing, and like to
be in this country and to not here for excellence
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is beyond me. Like I think it's it's incredible to
see this team withstand all the adversities they faced over
the course of not just this season or last season
the year before. They just plowed on. Nothing's that distracted them.
They just continued to push forward and win a lot
of games, and you know it's going to be a
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terrific game because there's a lot on the line for
both teams.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, he went cliche at the end, you know, but
the point is that you root for excellence. Dan, Why
do you dislike are over the Chiefs?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Just the constant seeing the Chiefs in the Super Bowl.
We've had one breather with the Bengals. I was excited
when the Chiefs went to Super Bowl fifty four and
we're playing the forty nine Ers in Miami. It was
neat seeing the Chiefs end zone. You know how much
I love the end zones, and now I'm sick of
seeing the big yellow end zone with the red riding.
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If they even did it red with the yellow riding,
I actually may feel a little different about it, but
I just I even look back at the Brady years,
and at least early on, there was a mix. It
wasn't Brady every single year, And that's what it now
feels like with the Chiefs, where you had Brady and
thirty six, thirty eight, and thirty nine in those Super Bowls,
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but then you had Super Bowl forty and the Steelers
come in, Manning goes super Bowl forty one, the Brady
comes back in forty two, but then it's Rothlessberger and Manning.
After that there was some movement. So those games were
even exciting in the AFC because you're like, all right,
who's gonna get the better of who this time around?
And I just feel like this has just been constant Chiefs,
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constant Chiefs outside of last year. They're always at home.
It's just the same thing over and over. And I
like the change. I didn't like it back when the
Bills made it to four straight Super Bowls. I wanted
them to win one of them, but it was all right,
here we go Bills again. It's not that I cheered
for the Cowboys. It just got after a while it
was just let's do something them different.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah. It is really fascinating, fascinating how we get so
accustomed to teams and like, the Chiefs hadn't been the
Super Bowl since well, super Bowl one or two, like
it had.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Been Super Bowl four fifty years, right, and yet.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Now we're like, oh, they're always there. They're like, uh,
they're like the Simpsons reruns or Seinfeld reruns around every night,
Like yeah, I don't know, Like for my entire lifetime,
can say we would always get to the playoffs, lose early.
Marty Ball always lose early, always always always so it
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it is fast. Now here's the big question, or I
guess to some people doesn't affect the ratings. And my
thing is like, why would it affect the ratings? Who
doesn't watch the super Bowl? Like you said there go like,
you know, I was gonna watch the super Bowl, which
normally my team isn't in, but because it's the Chiefs again,
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I won't watch the super Bowl? Is that really a
cognitive decision that we have.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I think that there are fans that do feel that way.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I don't think there's a single person that's an actual
fan that feels that way. I really don't. I think
there are people that feel that way. But there's two
types of things. One they're probably not really a fan
and they're just kind of come up with excuse or two,
they're still gonna watch the game. They're just gonna say they.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Did correct that.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Second one, they're definitely watching the game and they if
they say that it's complete bs that they're actually gonna
watch it. But I think the fan thing I understand
I like, my son lives and dies with the Chargers.
He can't root for the Chiefs. I understand that. But
the three of us, four of us have a combined
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like one hundred years of radio experience.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
We have one hundred years of radio experience.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
And like, if you're a listener and you're like that
sounds like he's just exaggerating. That does not hyperbole. Combined,
we have one hundred years of radio experience. We have
a chance to see and in Dan's case, cover something
that's never been done in the history of the most
popular league in our country. I don't know why you
would be against that, Like to me, that that that's
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like I want to be I want to be able
to tell my grandkids, Yeah, I was there for the
Chiefs when they won three in a row. I remember those.
That doesn't appeal to you, guys.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Do you really think you're going to tell your grandkids
you were there for the Chiefs, Like, do you think
that's gonna be a question Grandpa, Grandpa? Were you there
for the Chiefs when they won their three Super Bowls
in a row? Yes? Kids, I remember it was a
sunny day in southern California, and I was sitting on
my couch and sank Clarita and the Chiefs and Pat
moo like that's not really gonna happen anyway. Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I do you think in that like as time goes on,
we look back at it and have an appreciation of it,
but as it's going on, I just don't think that
that's the mindset of a football I don't understiate I
think someone else's greatness.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yes, no, no, we can't appreciate them until they're gone.
And then they're gone, They're like, whoa, he was awesome.
You know, it becomes a really weird thing. I'm I'm
the opposite. I appreciate those guys in real time. I
think he's as good as anybody I've ever seen play football.
And the results are ridiculous, And yeah, do I get
a little bit bored by it? Sure, I get bored
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by it, But I get bored by lots of stuff, right,
I just do. And as much as you want something
new and different, it's like with the Rams and Bengals, which,
by the way, you're asking my favorite games, that was
one of my favorite games, Like the Rams had nobody
and the game winning drive was Matt Stafford to Cooper Cup,
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Matt Stafford to Cooper Cup. Matt Stafford like he was
open all the time, and it didn't make any sense.
It was a really close game. Not a great, well
played game, but really close game of two likely Hall
of Fame quarterbacks. And yet I can't say that it
was any different than the Chiefs and the Eagles time
one or any of these other Chiefs Sup Bowls.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, it was a good game. Aaron Donald makes the
play at the end. I think this is and I've
brought this up on the show before. It's the question
as well about the NFL. When we talk about the
Chiefs and we talk about the Patriots, do we give
them more credit because they were figured they figured out
a way to succeed in a league that is just
riddled with what we consider parody where everything we do
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we appreciate them more because of the NFL bending over
backwards to try to make every team the same or
at least on the level playing field. Or do we
look at it in the opposite way in saying, well, yeah,
because everybody else's average, they've just figured out a way
to game the system. I'm with the truly great teams again,
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back in the eighties, and we talked about this with
the rushing record of now, when everybody's trying to stop
a quarterback, I think it's easier for a running back
when your defensive ends are only two hundred and fifty
pounds for your offensive line to be able to run against.
So when you're going up against better defenses in the
eighties that were really designed to stop the run, are
those records more impressive than they are now? Rushing wise, yes,
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legacy wise, with parody. I still don't know. The answer.
I'm still trying to determine is are Andy Reid and
Bill Belichick just even better than we think because they
figured out a way to succeed in a league that
wants everybody to be the same.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That's actually a great question. It's actually a great question.
I think it is. To me, the answer is that
they're great coaches that have all time great quarterbacks. It's
like the I was thinking about this, I think for you,
like middle of the night, I woke up, like, you know,
what do you talk about Super Week? And I was
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thinking about that, Like, how do you explain that Andy
Reid was always a really good coach and they kept
getting the NFC Championship game. They got to one super
Bowl in Philadelphia with now you can't keep out of
the super Bowl. Like, what's the difference is Pat Mahomes
And I was thinking, it's a lot like great hitters
in the nineties and two thousands, where why was Barry
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Bonds the greatest of the steroid era hitters. Well, he
was already a Hall of Fame player. Then you give
him steroids, and now he's the greatest hitter anyone's ever seen. Right,
Bill Belichick and Reid great coaches. Now you give them
two of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, and it's
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like giving them steroids. They're better than anybody who've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, did that work?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I think it's one way of looking at it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I mean if you said it kind of makes sense,
then that works for me. That's good enough for me.
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Speaker 2 (16:05):
It's noug got leave show Fox Sports Radio. Thomas de
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manager of the Atlanta Falcons also head scout for the
New England Patriots. That in the moment, but we like
to do this every Tuesday, a day to look back
at the weekend, at our thoughts going into the weekend,
and maybe look ahead as well. We give Dan Byer
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a chance to catch his breath and say my bad.
We call it buyer's remorse.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
Some have remorse.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I engage them, but.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
There's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Doug. This may be just a little off to the side,
but I feel that it's relevant. On Friday, we did
gambler picks. Remember that we had our gambler picks, and
I hit mine, Betty against my favorite NBA team, the
Milwaukee Bucks. I said, take the Spurs straight up. They
were a point and a half underdog to Milwaukee that night.
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Bucks hadn't been playing well. They had lost to Portland
a few nights earlier. My whole point in leading up
to this is this is this road trip that the
Milwaukee Bucks have recently been on. Five road excuse me,
five road games in the last six contests hasn't been great.
And last night in Oklahoma City. Doug Jannis didn't play,
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Damian Lillard didn't play, Milk and Chris Middleton didn't play.
Now Middleton maybe traded, who knows. But the point is
is I get the Bucks saying we're gonna if we
could beat the Blazers and we can beat the Spurs,
successful road trip for us, We'll rest our guys against
the really tough game on the road. But isn't that
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why we want to see things in the NBA regular season?
Isn't that what gets us involved in the NBA regular season?
Bucks and be a top two or three team in
the East right now, But at one point they were
trending that way, and honestly, for Marquee wise and brand
value wise and maybe even Eastern Conference NBA Finals representative wise,
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if they're playing good basketball, you think that they're going
to be a contender in the East, and you'd want
to see them match up against Oklahoma City. Granted it
was not a nationally televised game, but yes, last night,
the Bucks just sitting there starter or stars starting to
hide up was embarrassing when they put out a graphic
of it, just really disappointing. And I know it's an
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old story of load management. But the Bucks and Thunder
play twice a year, why not measure up to the
NBA's best or one of the NBA's best, and they didn't.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I agree, I agree, especially you look at Milwaukee. They
play Charlotte tomorrow. Right, if you're gonna rest some guys,
rest them against Charlotte. I get that it's a back
to back, but rest them against Charlotte and then you
would have had had your restling again. Charlote would have
the fourth, the fifth, and the sixth off and played
the seventh in Atlanta. I'm with you. You play Oklahma
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City twice a year. They're one of the elite teams
in the NBA. And uh, how about this one? Can
you name the leading score for the Bucks in that game?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Guys? Was it Ryan Rollins?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
All right, yes, I didn't look, I didn't cheat.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I know you hold on, Jase du Do you know
who Ryan Rollins is? If Ryan Rollins was sitting next
to me, would you have any idea who Ryan Rollins is?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, yeah, he's actually ghost hosted for you on this network.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I loved Ryans. Yeah, he played at Ryan Hollis.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Nice guy, Ry Hollins. Point point, takes point taking another
rookie led them and assists Al Johnson, Al Johnson, Al Johnson.
Does anybody know where Al Johnson never heard of him
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played before he played for the Bucks?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
T yuh A J.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Johnson, Right, yeah, G League Knights or whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yes, yeah, yeah, he's from He's a California kid.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
He went to Sea, that Southern California Academy. We have
now one player from SCA on our team, and he
went and played I think he played in like Australia
for a year. Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
And what's his superl like in terms of building a
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franchise to get here? I'm not sure anybody knows more
about it than Thomas de Mitroff of course has done
it going back to his days when he was the
GM of the Atlanta Falcons and he built that team
into the NFC champions that ultimately lost in an incredible
game in overtime to the Patriots. He joines in the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right, let's
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discuss the makeup of these teams. Let's start with the Eagles,
because the Eagles, their offense is good. Their offense is bad,
it doesn't seem to matter because the personnel overall seems
to be so good. How have they done this? How
have they built this team to have such a tremendous
ensemble cast not loaded up? They pay a lot of
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money to the quarterback, but not Mahomes money, nor is
he Mahomes. But the overall cast is very talented.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Yeah, I think the overall cast. To me, I mean,
do you have a guy in Howie Roseman who you
and I know is one of.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
The He's at the top of his game right now, right,
and I think he does a great job with making
sure that he has all the understanding of all the
scouts and all the personnel people and all the coaches.
They sit down, they are always hammering out exactly what
they need for their organization to thrive, and incredibly mindful
of the value of it, right, which I think is
really really important for him, which not a lot of
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well I shouldn't say not a lot. There are certain
gms that don't have his ability to do that, and
I think that's really important.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
We go on and on about the players. This is
a very.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
Talented football team, and I think, you know, he continues
to bridge the gap and make sure there's no glaring holes, which,
as you know, there's going to be no glaring holes
going into this draft and free agency session.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Okay, do you think they can win a Super Bowl
when it does seem like their offense is still a
bit dysfunctional.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
I do think they can.
Speaker 9 (22:35):
I think you know, again, as you know, working for
a company that's a data football driven company, I mean,
our our AI brain is saying, as you know, the data,
the stats and everything that is listed there, and we
can go on and on about this is swaying towards Philadelphia.
I think one that they can totally win a super
Bowl in this and and how he's tough that way,
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if he finds out I'm voting against him, as you know,
he's not gonna be happy. And I say that lovingly
and jokingly. Of course, this is this This football team
can win. I think they are. They are so tough,
and they are so resilient. I think the head coach
is hitting in on on all good cylinders right now,
and I just think they're they're teed up to take
this one.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Uh So, Okay, let's get to the let's get to
the Chiefs. This is they've been to the super Bowl
several times over. Okay, they've been in the super Bowl
several times over. But it's one of those deals where
you're like, you know, the first Super Bowl team, first
Super Bowl champion, was an offensive minded one last year,
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kind of a ragtag bit of wide receivers and a
good defense. This one's so defensive minded and a little
bit more focused offensively. What impresses you as a guy
again who builds rosters and helps others build rosters with
the analytics data, what what's what impresses you about this
Chiefs roster?
Speaker 9 (24:01):
Well, I mean I think this Chiefs roster again, I'm
sitting here looking at this their defense, as you mentioned,
let's talk about that first only because I mean they
were fourth in points allowed, right, I think they were
right around fifth in yards allowed. I mean, this is
a really good defense with a really good defensive coordinator.
This comes back to Andy putting together the right coaching staff.
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Of course, it stays very very very true to what
they're doing and consistent. I mean, I think about Matt
and Aggie on the offensive coordinator side. To go to
the offensive side, they made a lot of I felt
mistakes this year. I mean they were ranked what I
think it was seventh in my mind, I think it
was seventh in total yards, sixteenth in points ranked. Mahomes
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was you know, I thought Mahomes was having a good season.
I thought he had his ups and downs, as you know,
but he pulls it out. That's the X factor there
that I don't think we can go against. I mean,
Patrick Mahomes is going to pull it out. Their rushing attack,
as you know, was inconsistent. Doug, Right, I mean I
thought they were up and down that way, but continue
to come back to the idea that this quarterback is special,
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can pull it out.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
He's ultra competitive. We know that. And you know, I
think there are some needs.
Speaker 9 (25:08):
They have many more needs in my mind going into
drafting free agency than the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Thomas de Mitchroff's our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so you look around
the league, Thomas, you look around the league, and this
offseason is going to be fascinating from a quarterback perspective,
because the draftees feels like there's probably two that will
be first round drafting quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Yet so many.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
We've seen Sam Donald have a resurgence. We've seen Baker Maker,
Baker Mayfield have a resurgence. What do you think the
quarterback market looks like in the balance of young you know,
like rookies that you don't have to pay much anything to,
or these guys that are gonna get another chance, you know,
like a Mayfield did, like a Donald did in some
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other location. What's the quarterback market look like this offseason?
Speaker 9 (26:02):
Well, I think I'm sitting there thinking about some of
these teams that are picking in the top five. Let's
talk about draft for a minute here. I mean, though
there are some talented players, I mean, we know, and
I'm sure you and I could go back and forth
talking about this, whether it's Shedur Saners and Cam moored
be at number two. I'm really in a quandary to
find out who that third quarterback is and how far
off that drop is? Right, how in the heck? I mean,
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when's the last time I can't remember exactly when it was.
When they're really, you know, past the first two, it's
going to be a drop off, and in will there
be will there be quarterbacks dropping into the second round?
I don't know if that's the case. I just know
this is nowhere near as strong of the classes last year.
So the Tennessee Titans, who are sitting there at number one,
can they really snap a guy off in the draft
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and say one hundred percent this is a guy we're
going to be, you know, going with in the next
for the next five to ten years.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I don't believe so. And I and what I'm saying
is this.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
This group, the people that are drafting, the people that
are acqu free agency, it's a down It's a down
year for sure. I think the upside is that people
are saying, with these free agents, you can find a
free agent out there, you can find a player out
there potentially, and there are some available. I don't know
how much money they're going to be drawing, but they
can find their their groove in the next you know,
(27:19):
two or three teams that can happen. It was great
to see that this year, Doug. I think it was
really good for the league that that happened. I am
really really concerned again with where we're going with the
college the college picks this year, and do teams have
the time to wait two in three years to have
them on the bench for them to develop.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
I don't think that they're not going to develop. I
just think they're they're late.
Speaker 9 (27:39):
And I think it's going to be interesting to see
where these teams are going to go that need quarterbacks
in the top five six, one, two, three through six.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Maybe it's I just I think it's going to be tough.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
In regards to the free agent market. We talk quarterbacks
some Obviously, you know, the cap continues to go up.
What's what's the balance like in terms of bill building, right,
We've seen you know, like Mahomes. You know, I have
two quarterbacks here who are on second gigantic money contracts
and they found ways to make it work. Whereas it
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does feel like like the Niners kind of built a
trend get a quarterback on the cheap, build the rest
of your roster, Like, is it on a case by
case scenario in which you build it or again, what
do you think the trend in the league is in
terms of loading up on a quarterback in overspending or
trying to spread around and just get by at the
(28:30):
quarterback position.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
Look, I think it's it's obvious we know the position.
And I think I've said this to you before. General
managers our gauge on their ability to acquire a quarterback,
whether it's through drafter free agency, and to manage that
position and make this solid, you know, choices moving forward,
whether you resign one or whether you resign them to
bigger deals. That's part of a general manager's that's part
(28:54):
of what they're being engaged on, brother, and I think
that's going to be tough on a lot of these
a lot of these general managers making those calls. I
think I think it is you go with the quarterback,
You pay the quarterback that you think you have a chance,
it's a not for long league, and you put the
money in, you put the extra money in. I don't
think I personally don't think you can just kind of
get by and have a down the line or a
(29:15):
you know, hit and miss guy to get you through
a season.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
I just don't think that that's the mindset right now.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
Though it is good watching some of these guys, you know,
hit their second or third chance, I just don't think that.
I think that's anomalists in my mind, to be honest with.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
You, anomalists. Now there's you're going to be the only
guests this week to say the word anomalist Thomas, Okay,
you do really, no, I love it. I'm actually putting
that in my back pocket. I'm going to say that word,
and I'm not going to give you credit, okay, because
you should get credit, but it is a fascinating, fascinating word.
You've also been through this before with what Detroit's going
(29:48):
to go through. You build up this great roster, you
take a team to New Heights, and then everybody wants
a coordinator, a position co a player here or there.
What's more difficult building it or keeping it going? When
people pick away parts of the success.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
And that's a good question. I mean that team, what
they've done. I was talking about this with a group earlier.
You got do you gotta give Dan Campbell could complete
credit for a guy who got kicked all over the place.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
He got kicked in the kneecaps, as you know.
Speaker 9 (30:24):
Early on he was and people were throwing darts at
him because he brought in the wrong staff and they
were this, they were that. I love how they've developed,
as you know, it's tough to do that. Brad Holmes
does a great job there, their general manager. They work
together very well, right, you know that head coach and
GM relationships massively important when you're putting those teams together.
Knowing exactly what talent you need to put on your
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field with the top style and the scheme that you're
playing is vital.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
We know that.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
I think they do a great job. That way, they're
going to lose people, and that losing thing. We saw
that in New England many many years. It's it's complicated.
You on one hand, you want to be benefit you know, sorry, upbeat,
and you want to be help these benefit these coaches
on your staff and so that people want to work
for that staff, right if you're holding them back and
there were times when Bill was accused Bill Belichick was
(31:11):
accused for holding people back and then people get angry.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
That's not an easy thing to deal with, right.
Speaker 9 (31:16):
You don't want people to leave your building and then
all of a sudden, how are you going to hire people?
It's complicated on both sides. Complicated to build the team
for sure. Easier to do that, I think than to
keep the quality coaches and the quality quality management. That's
gonna happen, and you see it in Detroit. How they're
going to replace Doug is a big big deal. Both coordinators,
I get that. And I also think they're in a
(31:36):
situation right now with their quarterback where you know, how
much does he truly have left and how much can
this new coordinator come in and help keep him away
from all that mayhem that's going on with the pressures
coming in his face all the time.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
So a lot going on there with that question, of course,
all right.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Thomas de mitchro of course, he's the CEO of Suomer Sports,
and of course they're aimed at creating precision in player
acquisition roster management in the NFL. People in the NFL
call on him and their data company for analytics and detail,
and why can't we call him to be a great
guest and give us an incredible expansion of our vernacular. Thomas,
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Thank thanks so much for joining us. Enjoy the Super Bowl.
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Always enjoy it. Thanks done it.
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get to the press, the press, Dan Byer, what do
you have my friend, Doug.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
There's always rumors that may be Andy Rea would like
to go out on top, but he is not going
to go out anytime soon. Reid confirming that he will
be back as the Chiefs head coach in twenty twenty five, saying,
you'll coach at least one more year. Win or lose
against the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
That's interesting, right, win or lose? Like if you win,
don't you retire? Don't you just go like I'm good?
Speaker 4 (33:24):
That's the thought process. People would think that would be
where you would want to go. However, Doug, However, however,
and Reid wins on Sunday, he would be two playoff
wins behind Bill Belichick for the most of all time,
and again the regular season victory count for Andy Reid.
(33:46):
For regular season wins, he's twenty nine behind Belichick. Now
Don Shula's still a little bit of ways. Fifty five
wins away from Don Shula. However, if he coached five
more seasons, they win ten games right there, and you
have Patrick Mahomes as your quarterback, and you think that's
probably reachable. So I think we're going to see Andy
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Reid next year, and I think we'll see him the
year after that as well.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
That makes sense. Try and pass down Showle's record, you could.
He does give off the vibes of ego free doesn't care,
and that would be an ego thing. But I don't know.
I mean like the other part too, It is you
win three in a row, why not go for four?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Yes, and when you're at four, you're closer, not only
with the playoff wins we talked about with Belichick, but
then two Super bowls away. He turned sixty seven in March.
Pete Carroll just got hired at seventy three. So not
only the Ramo possibility that Andy Reid sticks around a
(34:48):
while longer in the National Football League not crazy. Yeah.
Newsday came out a couple of days ago, but making
headlines because of Jeffrey Lorii's response to it. Eagles and
ram likely the candidates to play an NFL regular season
game in Australia. Reports out of Australia said it would
take place in October of twenty twenty six in Melbourne.
(35:11):
Eagle's owner Jeffrey Lourie said that he is absolutely open
to the idea as long as his team is the
away team, because this year they lost a home game
because they served as the home team when they played
the Packers in Brazil.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, how do you do? Do you put a buy
on both sides of it? Feels like that would be.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Just yeah, especially in October.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Yeah, did you see where Lourie also said in those
comments that he wants a super Bowl in Philadelphia where
there's a need for a dome. Can you think of
a worse week for the three of us than a
week in Philadelphia in early February?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Nope? I mean Super Bowl has been in Detroit before.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Right, awful? That was a bad experiment, right, Yeah, it
was as bad.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
You would also likely have to play the game sometime
around I guess you could have it at You could
have it in afternoon. It would just be the next day,
so it maybe be Monday afternoon football, if it was
Sunday night football. If you played it in Australia because
right now it's eight fifty two in Melbourne on Wednesday morning.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I just it sounds it sounds like one of those
ideas ask anybody, do you want to go to Australa? Yes,
what about in the middle of season? Sure, I mean
we could think about it, okay, but here's the third deal.
We can give you a bye week on the back
end of it, but not on the front end of it,
and you got to play it such and such time.
You're like, yeah, I don't know if that actually works.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Does the spiral of the football go counterclockwise?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
That's a great question.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
D l LS Sports and Dallas is the Mavericks are
offering fans a refund who cancel their season tickets for
the rest of the season. The value estimated to be
around two thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Does anybody actually taking them up on this?
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I think so. Yes. People are ticked, Doug, people are
not happy.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I mean again, Nico Harrison put. We talked about Jerry
Jones going all in. That's going all in, right, that's
going all in. That's going yep. I'm gonna put my
job and everything on the line here. God bless them.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I'm all in, and President Trump will attend Super Bowl
fifty nine in New Orleans on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
And that's the press may get out there and pressed.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
That was the press all right.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
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done a bunch of other radio interviews. I get asked
about this all the time, and obviously I'm fully aware
that my college basketball team, people would not be asking
us about the consistency of excellence because we just have
not accomplished that yet. But it's interesting on how many
people like to promote the idea that we hate, that
(01:20):
everybody hates the Chiefs, hates the Chiefs. Let's just do this, Okay,
We're all on different levels of educated supports fans. Dan Byer,
are you tired over done with the Chiefs? Yes, okay,
I'll come back in one second. Jase, do I know
you are not? You are rooting for excellence. You want
(01:42):
greatness back to back to back titles. That's something you
have made very clear since day one of the season.
Am I correct?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Confirm that?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I confirm?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Sam? Where are you on the Chiefs? Over or rooting for?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I'm over them, I'm all, I'm one hundred percent Eagles. Baby,
let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Okay, I'll give my I I'm in awe. I feel
like this is so many topics in which I'm supposed
to be this dude who sits there and goes yes
or no or in or out or over or four,
and I'm just I'm just enjoying the whole thing. One
(02:22):
of the issues I have in terms of rooting against
the Chiefs is that the Eagles are on the other side, right,
I mean this is and I don't know any of
the players or have any bad but plays. I hate
the Eagles fans. They are the most obnoxious group I
(02:42):
have ever found in creation. Like Raider fans think Eagle
fans are a little over the top. It's reality to it. Yeah.
I also not a huge fan of Sirianni, not just
because of the WWE character act, but just because I
(03:05):
do think it's an act.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I do.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I don't think that's who he really is. I could
be wrong. I don't think that's who he is. I
think when he goes home, he's probably a completely different dude.
And that performative acting thing, I'm just I'm not into it.
So what happens with the Chiefs is, Yeah, I've been
a Charger fan forever, and yeah, like anybody who watches
(03:30):
the NFL is like, why did the Chiefs get away
withholding every game? Now, keep in mind, I don't watch
my own guys to see if they get away with holding.
I don't, but I do watch the Chiefs that I
feel like it. So to say that I'm over it
would be an overstatement, but to say that I'm rooting
for them not really. What I do want. What I
(03:54):
do wish is that people understand this. Maybe siding with you,
Jase two, is at some point during greatness, can we
recognize greatness? Pat Mahomes is an amazing football player, and
we could give credit to Andy Reid, but Andy Reid
was the coach of the Chiefs before they got Pat
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Mahomes and then he sniff anywhere near a super Bowl.
They had the same problem all the Chiefs teams had,
which was they would lose early in the playoffs, usually
at home, by the way. But there are lots of
people who are over them, just dam over them. And
I get it if you grew up in southern California
like I did, Rick D's in the morning, tell us
(04:41):
what time it is and tell us what the climate is,
but you would hear. I remember summer after second grade,
Borderline was on all the time. You never Madonna. Boardline
was that like our first big song.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
I think Holiday was the first single off that debut album,
but Borderline Will the Uh was the third single. Like
a Star I think was the second single in nineteen
eighty three.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, so I remember, and how did I do with
my age? There? Let's see here, eighty three probably this
is probably makes his summer of eighty four. I was, yeah,
eighty three, eighty four, that's about right, big second grade,
third grade. I remember. There's an old high school basketball
coach for a long time named Wayne Marino. He used
to pick up me and my brother and we go
(05:26):
to a modern Day camp in the morning in a
Fountain Valley high school basketball camp in the afternoon, and
I would sit in the back of his uh, the
the small Toyota remember the small Toyota pickup trucks. What
are they called? I just I think they were just
called a Toyota truck, right, Those are the ones that
people would peel off some of the letters and would
say toy on the back, you guys, remember those? And
(05:46):
it had a what are the covers called? What's what's
that called? A camper shit like a camper shell? Is
that what's called? Anyway, he would blast Rick D's in
the morning when we go to Modern Day camp. We'd
come out and Borderline would be on again, and by
like the end of summer, like if I hear Madonna
one more time, I'm going to hurt somebody. That's I
think where we are with the Chiefs. Well, Tom Brady
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was calling the game for Fox, had this to say
about people who are over the Chiefs.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
Well, I'm broadcasting the game, so I don't really have
a rooting interest per se. The one thing I root
for in these situations are great games. I will say
if the Chiefs win, I will be very happy for them.
I mean, what they've achieved is unmatched. And I think
that's cool because people always hated on us for so
(06:36):
many years and I didn't understand it because all I
did was like, we try to do things the right way.
We try to go out there and compete for our
job and win. And like there's an excellence that I
appreciate about people who are doing other things that really
high levels because you understand the commitment that it takes
for them to do what they're doing, and like to
be in this country and to not here for excellence
(07:01):
is beyond me. Like I think it's it's incredible to
see this team withstand all the adversities they faced over
the course of not just this season or last season
the year before. They just plowed on. Nothing's that distracted them.
They just continued to push forward and win a lot
of games, and you know it's going to be a
(07:21):
terrific game because there's a lot on the line for
both teams.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, he went cliche at the end, you know, but
the point is that you root for excellence. Dan, Why
do you dislike are over the Chiefs?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Just the constant seeing the Chiefs in the Super Bowl.
We've had one breather with the Bengals. I was excited
when the Chiefs went to Super Bowl fifty four and
we're playing the forty nine Ers in Miami. It was
neat seeing the Chiefs end zone. You know how much
I love the end zones, and now I'm sick of
seeing the big yellow end zone with the red riding.
(07:57):
If they even did it red with the yellow riding,
I actually may feel a little different about it, but
I just I even look back at the Brady years,
and at least early on, there was a mix. It
wasn't Brady every single year, And that's what it now
feels like with the Chiefs, where you had Brady and
thirty six, thirty eight, and thirty nine in those Super Bowls,
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but then you had Super Bowl forty and the Steelers
come in, Manning goes super Bowl forty one, the Brady
comes back in forty two, but then it's Rothlessberger and Manning.
After that there was some movement. So those games were
even exciting in the AFC because you're like, all right,
who's gonna get the better of who this time around?
And I just feel like this has just been constant Chiefs,
(08:40):
constant Chiefs outside of last year. They're always at home.
It's just the same thing over and over. And I
like the change. I didn't like it back when the
Bills made it to four straight Super Bowls. I wanted
them to win one of them, but it was all right,
here we go Bills again. It's not that I cheered
for the Cowboys. It just got after a while it
was just let's do something them different.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah. It is really fascinating, fascinating how we get so
accustomed to teams and like, the Chiefs hadn't been the
Super Bowl since well, super Bowl one or two, like
it had.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Been Super Bowl four fifty years, right, and yet.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Now we're like, oh, they're always there. They're like, uh,
they're like the Simpsons reruns or Seinfeld reruns around every night,
Like yeah, I don't know, Like for my entire lifetime,
can say we would always get to the playoffs, lose early.
Marty Ball always lose early, always always always so it
(09:40):
it is fast. Now here's the big question, or I
guess to some people doesn't affect the ratings. And my
thing is like, why would it affect the ratings? Who
doesn't watch the super Bowl? Like you said there go like,
you know, I was gonna watch the super Bowl, which
normally my team isn't in, but because it's the Chiefs again,
(10:01):
I won't watch the super Bowl? Is that really a
cognitive decision that we have.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I think that there are fans that do feel that way.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I don't think there's a single person that's an actual
fan that feels that way. I really don't. I think
there are people that feel that way. But there's two
types of things. One they're probably not really a fan
and they're just kind of come up with excuse or two,
they're still gonna watch the game. They're just gonna say they.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Did correct that.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Second one, they're definitely watching the game and they if
they say that it's complete bs that they're actually gonna
watch it. But I think the fan thing I understand
I like, my son lives and dies with the Chargers.
He can't root for the Chiefs. I understand that. But
the three of us, four of us have a combined
(10:45):
like one hundred years of radio experience.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
We have one hundred years of radio experience.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
And like, if you're a listener and you're like that
sounds like he's just exaggerating. That does not hyperbole. Combined,
we have one hundred years of radio experience. We have
a chance to see and in Dan's case, cover something
that's never been done in the history of the most
popular league in our country. I don't know why you
would be against that, Like to me, that that that's
(11:15):
like I want to be I want to be able
to tell my grandkids, Yeah, I was there for the
Chiefs when they won three in a row. I remember those.
That doesn't appeal to you, guys.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Do you really think you're going to tell your grandkids
you were there for the Chiefs, Like, do you think
that's gonna be a question Grandpa, Grandpa? Were you there
for the Chiefs when they won their three Super Bowls
in a row? Yes? Kids, I remember it was a
sunny day in southern California, and I was sitting on
my couch and sank Clarita and the Chiefs and Pat
moo like that's not really gonna happen anyway. Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I do you think in that like as time goes on,
we look back at it and have an appreciation of it,
but as it's going on, I just don't think that
that's the mindset of a football I don't understiate I
think someone else's greatness.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yes, no, no, we can't appreciate them until they're gone.
And then they're gone, They're like, whoa, he was awesome.
You know, it becomes a really weird thing. I'm I'm
the opposite. I appreciate those guys in real time. I
think he's as good as anybody I've ever seen play football.
And the results are ridiculous, And yeah, do I get
a little bit bored by it? Sure, I get bored
(12:26):
by it, But I get bored by lots of stuff, right,
I just do. And as much as you want something
new and different, it's like with the Rams and Bengals, which,
by the way, you're asking my favorite games, that was
one of my favorite games, Like the Rams had nobody
and the game winning drive was Matt Stafford to Cooper Cup,
(12:47):
Matt Stafford to Cooper Cup. Matt Stafford like he was
open all the time, and it didn't make any sense.
It was a really close game. Not a great, well
played game, but really close game of two likely Hall
of Fame quarterbacks. And yet I can't say that it
was any different than the Chiefs and the Eagles time
one or any of these other Chiefs Sup Bowls.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, it was a good game. Aaron Donald makes the
play at the end. I think this is and I've
brought this up on the show before. It's the question
as well about the NFL. When we talk about the
Chiefs and we talk about the Patriots, do we give
them more credit because they were figured they figured out
a way to succeed in a league that is just
riddled with what we consider parody where everything we do
(13:34):
we appreciate them more because of the NFL bending over
backwards to try to make every team the same or
at least on the level playing field. Or do we
look at it in the opposite way in saying, well, yeah,
because everybody else's average, they've just figured out a way
to game the system. I'm with the truly great teams again,
(13:54):
back in the eighties, and we talked about this with
the rushing record of now, when everybody's trying to stop
a quarterback, I think it's easier for a running back
when your defensive ends are only two hundred and fifty
pounds for your offensive line to be able to run against.
So when you're going up against better defenses in the
eighties that were really designed to stop the run, are
those records more impressive than they are now? Rushing wise, yes,
(14:17):
legacy wise, with parody. I still don't know. The answer.
I'm still trying to determine is are Andy Reid and
Bill Belichick just even better than we think because they
figured out a way to succeed in a league that
wants everybody to be the same.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That's actually a great question. It's actually a great question.
I think it is. To me, the answer is that
they're great coaches that have all time great quarterbacks. It's
like the I was thinking about this, I think for you,
like middle of the night, I woke up, like, you know,
what do you talk about Super Week? And I was
(14:54):
thinking about that, Like, how do you explain that Andy
Reid was always a really good coach and they kept
getting the NFC Championship game. They got to one super
Bowl in Philadelphia with now you can't keep out of
the super Bowl. Like, what's the difference is Pat Mahomes
And I was thinking, it's a lot like great hitters
in the nineties and two thousands, where why was Barry
(15:14):
Bonds the greatest of the steroid era hitters. Well, he
was already a Hall of Fame player. Then you give
him steroids, and now he's the greatest hitter anyone's ever seen. Right,
Bill Belichick and Reid great coaches. Now you give them
two of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, and it's
(15:34):
like giving them steroids. They're better than anybody who've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, did that work?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I think it's one way of looking at it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I mean if you said it kind of makes sense,
then that works for me. That's good enough for me.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
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Speaker 2 (16:05):
It's noug got leave show Fox Sports Radio. Thomas de
mitchrov around the corner. Of course, he's the former general
manager of the Atlanta Falcons also head scout for the
New England Patriots. That in the moment, but we like
to do this every Tuesday, a day to look back
at the weekend, at our thoughts going into the weekend,
and maybe look ahead as well. We give Dan Byer
(16:28):
a chance to catch his breath and say my bad.
We call it buyer's remorse.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
Some have remorse.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I engage them, but.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
There's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Doug. This may be just a little off to the side,
but I feel that it's relevant. On Friday, we did
gambler picks. Remember that we had our gambler picks, and
I hit mine, Betty against my favorite NBA team, the
Milwaukee Bucks. I said, take the Spurs straight up. They
were a point and a half underdog to Milwaukee that night.
(17:09):
Bucks hadn't been playing well. They had lost to Portland
a few nights earlier. My whole point in leading up
to this is this is this road trip that the
Milwaukee Bucks have recently been on. Five road excuse me,
five road games in the last six contests hasn't been great.
And last night in Oklahoma City. Doug Jannis didn't play,
(17:31):
Damian Lillard didn't play, Milk and Chris Middleton didn't play.
Now Middleton maybe traded, who knows. But the point is
is I get the Bucks saying we're gonna if we
could beat the Blazers and we can beat the Spurs,
successful road trip for us, We'll rest our guys against
the really tough game on the road. But isn't that
(17:52):
why we want to see things in the NBA regular season?
Isn't that what gets us involved in the NBA regular season?
Bucks and be a top two or three team in
the East right now, But at one point they were
trending that way, and honestly, for Marquee wise and brand
value wise and maybe even Eastern Conference NBA Finals representative wise,
(18:14):
if they're playing good basketball, you think that they're going
to be a contender in the East, and you'd want
to see them match up against Oklahoma City. Granted it
was not a nationally televised game, but yes, last night,
the Bucks just sitting there starter or stars starting to
hide up was embarrassing when they put out a graphic
of it, just really disappointing. And I know it's an
(18:35):
old story of load management. But the Bucks and Thunder
play twice a year, why not measure up to the
NBA's best or one of the NBA's best, and they didn't.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I agree, I agree, especially you look at Milwaukee. They
play Charlotte tomorrow. Right, if you're gonna rest some guys,
rest them against Charlotte. I get that it's a back
to back, but rest them against Charlotte and then you
would have had had your restling again. Charlote would have
the fourth, the fifth, and the sixth off and played
the seventh in Atlanta. I'm with you. You play Oklahma
(19:05):
City twice a year. They're one of the elite teams
in the NBA. And uh, how about this one? Can
you name the leading score for the Bucks in that game?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Guys? Was it Ryan Rollins?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
All right, yes, I didn't look, I didn't cheat.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I know you hold on, Jase du Do you know
who Ryan Rollins is? If Ryan Rollins was sitting next
to me, would you have any idea who Ryan Rollins is?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, yeah, he's actually ghost hosted for you on this network.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I loved Ryans. Yeah, he played at Ryan Hollis.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Nice guy, Ry Hollins. Point point, takes point taking another
rookie led them and assists Al Johnson, Al Johnson, Al Johnson.
Does anybody know where Al Johnson never heard of him
(20:07):
played before he played for the Bucks?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
T yuh A J.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Johnson, Right, yeah, G League Knights or whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yes, yeah, yeah, he's from He's a California kid.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
He went to Sea, that Southern California Academy. We have
now one player from SCA on our team, and he
went and played I think he played in like Australia
for a year. Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
And what's his superl like in terms of building a
(20:48):
franchise to get here? I'm not sure anybody knows more
about it than Thomas de Mitroff of course has done
it going back to his days when he was the
GM of the Atlanta Falcons and he built that team
into the NFC champions that ultimately lost in an incredible
game in overtime to the Patriots. He joines in the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right, let's
(21:09):
discuss the makeup of these teams. Let's start with the Eagles,
because the Eagles, their offense is good. Their offense is bad,
it doesn't seem to matter because the personnel overall seems
to be so good. How have they done this? How
have they built this team to have such a tremendous
ensemble cast not loaded up? They pay a lot of
(21:31):
money to the quarterback, but not Mahomes money, nor is
he Mahomes. But the overall cast is very talented.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Yeah, I think the overall cast. To me, I mean,
do you have a guy in Howie Roseman who you
and I know is one of.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
The He's at the top of his game right now, right,
and I think he does a great job with making
sure that he has all the understanding of all the
scouts and all the personnel people and all the coaches.
They sit down, they are always hammering out exactly what
they need for their organization to thrive, and incredibly mindful
of the value of it, right, which I think is
really really important for him, which not a lot of
(22:05):
well I shouldn't say not a lot. There are certain
gms that don't have his ability to do that, and
I think that's really important.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
We go on and on about the players. This is
a very.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
Talented football team, and I think, you know, he continues
to bridge the gap and make sure there's no glaring holes, which,
as you know, there's going to be no glaring holes
going into this draft and free agency session.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Okay, do you think they can win a Super Bowl
when it does seem like their offense is still a
bit dysfunctional.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
I do think they can.
Speaker 9 (22:35):
I think you know, again, as you know, working for
a company that's a data football driven company, I mean,
our our AI brain is saying, as you know, the data,
the stats and everything that is listed there, and we
can go on and on about this is swaying towards Philadelphia.
I think one that they can totally win a super
Bowl in this and and how he's tough that way,
(22:57):
if he finds out I'm voting against him, as you know,
he's not gonna be happy. And I say that lovingly
and jokingly. Of course, this is this This football team
can win. I think they are. They are so tough,
and they are so resilient. I think the head coach
is hitting in on on all good cylinders right now,
and I just think they're they're teed up to take
this one.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Uh So, Okay, let's get to the let's get to
the Chiefs. This is they've been to the super Bowl
several times over. Okay, they've been in the super Bowl
several times over. But it's one of those deals where
you're like, you know, the first Super Bowl team, first
Super Bowl champion, was an offensive minded one last year,
(23:42):
kind of a ragtag bit of wide receivers and a
good defense. This one's so defensive minded and a little
bit more focused offensively. What impresses you as a guy
again who builds rosters and helps others build rosters with
the analytics data, what what's what impresses you about this
Chiefs roster?
Speaker 9 (24:01):
Well, I mean I think this Chiefs roster again, I'm
sitting here looking at this their defense, as you mentioned,
let's talk about that first only because I mean they
were fourth in points allowed, right, I think they were
right around fifth in yards allowed. I mean, this is
a really good defense with a really good defensive coordinator.
This comes back to Andy putting together the right coaching staff.
(24:21):
Of course, it stays very very very true to what
they're doing and consistent. I mean, I think about Matt
and Aggie on the offensive coordinator side. To go to
the offensive side, they made a lot of I felt
mistakes this year. I mean they were ranked what I
think it was seventh in my mind, I think it
was seventh in total yards, sixteenth in points ranked. Mahomes
(24:42):
was you know, I thought Mahomes was having a good season.
I thought he had his ups and downs, as you know,
but he pulls it out. That's the X factor there
that I don't think we can go against. I mean,
Patrick Mahomes is going to pull it out. Their rushing attack,
as you know, was inconsistent. Doug, Right, I mean I
thought they were up and down that way, but continue
to come back to the idea that this quarterback is special,
(25:03):
can pull it out.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
He's ultra competitive. We know that. And you know, I
think there are some needs.
Speaker 9 (25:08):
They have many more needs in my mind going into
drafting free agency than the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Thomas de Mitchroff's our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so you look around
the league, Thomas, you look around the league, and this
offseason is going to be fascinating from a quarterback perspective,
because the draftees feels like there's probably two that will
be first round drafting quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Yet so many.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
We've seen Sam Donald have a resurgence. We've seen Baker Maker,
Baker Mayfield have a resurgence. What do you think the
quarterback market looks like in the balance of young you know,
like rookies that you don't have to pay much anything to,
or these guys that are gonna get another chance, you know,
like a Mayfield did, like a Donald did in some
(25:59):
other location. What's the quarterback market look like this offseason?
Speaker 9 (26:02):
Well, I think I'm sitting there thinking about some of
these teams that are picking in the top five. Let's
talk about draft for a minute here. I mean, though
there are some talented players, I mean, we know, and
I'm sure you and I could go back and forth
talking about this, whether it's Shedur Saners and Cam moored
be at number two. I'm really in a quandary to
find out who that third quarterback is and how far
off that drop is? Right, how in the heck? I mean,
(26:24):
when's the last time I can't remember exactly when it was.
When they're really, you know, past the first two, it's
going to be a drop off, and in will there
be will there be quarterbacks dropping into the second round?
I don't know if that's the case. I just know
this is nowhere near as strong of the classes last year.
So the Tennessee Titans, who are sitting there at number one,
can they really snap a guy off in the draft
(26:46):
and say one hundred percent this is a guy we're
going to be, you know, going with in the next
for the next five to ten years.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I don't believe so. And I and what I'm saying
is this.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
This group, the people that are drafting, the people that
are acqu free agency, it's a down It's a down
year for sure. I think the upside is that people
are saying, with these free agents, you can find a
free agent out there, you can find a player out
there potentially, and there are some available. I don't know
how much money they're going to be drawing, but they
can find their their groove in the next you know,
(27:19):
two or three teams that can happen. It was great
to see that this year, Doug. I think it was
really good for the league that that happened. I am
really really concerned again with where we're going with the
college the college picks this year, and do teams have
the time to wait two in three years to have
them on the bench for them to develop.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
I don't think that they're not going to develop. I
just think they're they're late.
Speaker 9 (27:39):
And I think it's going to be interesting to see
where these teams are going to go that need quarterbacks
in the top five six, one, two, three through six.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Maybe it's I just I think it's going to be tough.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
In regards to the free agent market. We talk quarterbacks
some Obviously, you know, the cap continues to go up.
What's what's the balance like in terms of bill building, right,
We've seen you know, like Mahomes. You know, I have
two quarterbacks here who are on second gigantic money contracts
and they found ways to make it work. Whereas it
(28:10):
does feel like like the Niners kind of built a
trend get a quarterback on the cheap, build the rest
of your roster, Like, is it on a case by
case scenario in which you build it or again, what
do you think the trend in the league is in
terms of loading up on a quarterback in overspending or
trying to spread around and just get by at the
(28:30):
quarterback position.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
Look, I think it's it's obvious we know the position.
And I think I've said this to you before. General
managers our gauge on their ability to acquire a quarterback,
whether it's through drafter free agency, and to manage that
position and make this solid, you know, choices moving forward,
whether you resign one or whether you resign them to
bigger deals. That's part of a general manager's that's part
(28:54):
of what they're being engaged on, brother, and I think
that's going to be tough on a lot of these
a lot of these general managers making those calls. I
think I think it is you go with the quarterback,
You pay the quarterback that you think you have a chance,
it's a not for long league, and you put the
money in, you put the extra money in. I don't
think I personally don't think you can just kind of
get by and have a down the line or a
(29:15):
you know, hit and miss guy to get you through
a season.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
I just don't think that that's the mindset right now.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
Though it is good watching some of these guys, you know,
hit their second or third chance, I just don't think that.
I think that's anomalists in my mind, to be honest with.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
You, anomalists. Now there's you're going to be the only
guests this week to say the word anomalist Thomas, Okay,
you do really, no, I love it. I'm actually putting
that in my back pocket. I'm going to say that word,
and I'm not going to give you credit, okay, because
you should get credit, but it is a fascinating, fascinating word.
You've also been through this before with what Detroit's going
(29:48):
to go through. You build up this great roster, you
take a team to New Heights, and then everybody wants
a coordinator, a position co a player here or there.
What's more difficult building it or keeping it going? When
people pick away parts of the success.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
And that's a good question. I mean that team, what
they've done. I was talking about this with a group earlier.
You got do you gotta give Dan Campbell could complete
credit for a guy who got kicked all over the place.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
He got kicked in the kneecaps, as you know.
Speaker 9 (30:24):
Early on he was and people were throwing darts at
him because he brought in the wrong staff and they
were this, they were that. I love how they've developed,
as you know, it's tough to do that. Brad Holmes
does a great job there, their general manager. They work
together very well, right, you know that head coach and
GM relationships massively important when you're putting those teams together.
Knowing exactly what talent you need to put on your
(30:45):
field with the top style and the scheme that you're
playing is vital.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
We know that.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
I think they do a great job. That way, they're
going to lose people, and that losing thing. We saw
that in New England many many years. It's it's complicated.
You on one hand, you want to be benefit you know, sorry, upbeat,
and you want to be help these benefit these coaches
on your staff and so that people want to work
for that staff, right if you're holding them back and
there were times when Bill was accused Bill Belichick was
(31:11):
accused for holding people back and then people get angry.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
That's not an easy thing to deal with, right.
Speaker 9 (31:16):
You don't want people to leave your building and then
all of a sudden, how are you going to hire people?
It's complicated on both sides. Complicated to build the team
for sure. Easier to do that, I think than to
keep the quality coaches and the quality quality management. That's
gonna happen, and you see it in Detroit. How they're
going to replace Doug is a big big deal. Both coordinators,
I get that. And I also think they're in a
(31:36):
situation right now with their quarterback where you know, how
much does he truly have left and how much can
this new coordinator come in and help keep him away
from all that mayhem that's going on with the pressures
coming in his face all the time.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
So a lot going on there with that question, of course,
all right.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Thomas de mitchro of course, he's the CEO of Suomer Sports,
and of course they're aimed at creating precision in player
acquisition roster management in the NFL. People in the NFL
call on him and their data company for analytics and detail,
and why can't we call him to be a great
guest and give us an incredible expansion of our vernacular. Thomas,
(32:13):
Thank thanks so much for joining us. Enjoy the Super Bowl.
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Always enjoy it. Thanks done it.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
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(32:50):
get to the press, the press, Dan Byer, what do
you have my friend, Doug.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
There's always rumors that may be Andy Rea would like
to go out on top, but he is not going
to go out anytime soon. Reid confirming that he will
be back as the Chiefs head coach in twenty twenty five, saying,
you'll coach at least one more year. Win or lose
against the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
That's interesting, right, win or lose? Like if you win,
don't you retire? Don't you just go like I'm good?
Speaker 4 (33:24):
That's the thought process. People would think that would be
where you would want to go. However, Doug, However, however,
and Reid wins on Sunday, he would be two playoff
wins behind Bill Belichick for the most of all time,
and again the regular season victory count for Andy Reid.
(33:46):
For regular season wins, he's twenty nine behind Belichick. Now
Don Shula's still a little bit of ways. Fifty five
wins away from Don Shula. However, if he coached five
more seasons, they win ten games right there, and you
have Patrick Mahomes as your quarterback, and you think that's
probably reachable. So I think we're going to see Andy
(34:06):
Reid next year, and I think we'll see him the
year after that as well.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
That makes sense. Try and pass down Showle's record, you could.
He does give off the vibes of ego free doesn't care,
and that would be an ego thing. But I don't know.
I mean like the other part too, It is you
win three in a row, why not go for four?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Yes, and when you're at four, you're closer, not only
with the playoff wins we talked about with Belichick, but
then two Super bowls away. He turned sixty seven in March.
Pete Carroll just got hired at seventy three. So not
only the Ramo possibility that Andy Reid sticks around a
(34:48):
while longer in the National Football League not crazy. Yeah.
Newsday came out a couple of days ago, but making
headlines because of Jeffrey Lorii's response to it. Eagles and
ram likely the candidates to play an NFL regular season
game in Australia. Reports out of Australia said it would
take place in October of twenty twenty six in Melbourne.
(35:11):
Eagle's owner Jeffrey Lourie said that he is absolutely open
to the idea as long as his team is the
away team, because this year they lost a home game
because they served as the home team when they played
the Packers in Brazil.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, how do you do? Do you put a buy
on both sides of it? Feels like that would be.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Just yeah, especially in October.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Yeah, did you see where Lourie also said in those
comments that he wants a super Bowl in Philadelphia where
there's a need for a dome. Can you think of
a worse week for the three of us than a
week in Philadelphia in early February?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Nope? I mean Super Bowl has been in Detroit before.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Right, awful? That was a bad experiment, right, Yeah, it
was as bad.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
You would also likely have to play the game sometime
around I guess you could have it at You could
have it in afternoon. It would just be the next day,
so it maybe be Monday afternoon football, if it was
Sunday night football. If you played it in Australia because
right now it's eight fifty two in Melbourne on Wednesday morning.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I just it sounds it sounds like one of those
ideas ask anybody, do you want to go to Australa? Yes,
what about in the middle of season? Sure, I mean
we could think about it, okay, but here's the third deal.
We can give you a bye week on the back
end of it, but not on the front end of it,
and you got to play it such and such time.
You're like, yeah, I don't know if that actually works.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Does the spiral of the football go counterclockwise?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
That's a great question.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
D l LS Sports and Dallas is the Mavericks are
offering fans a refund who cancel their season tickets for
the rest of the season. The value estimated to be
around two thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Does anybody actually taking them up on this?
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I think so. Yes. People are ticked, Doug, people are
not happy.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I mean again, Nico Harrison put. We talked about Jerry
Jones going all in. That's going all in, right, that's
going all in. That's going yep. I'm gonna put my
job and everything on the line here. God bless them.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I'm all in, and President Trump will attend Super Bowl
fifty nine in New Orleans on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
And that's the press may get out there and pressed.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
That was the press all right.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Tomorrow, all of the interviews started to come in our
thanks to the I mean, we had some good ones today.
If you missed any, check out the YouTube page, check
out the podcast as well as we grant closer and
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