February 11, 2025 • 38 mins
As Luka Doncic made his Lakers' debut Monday night, Doug looks back on the trade that sent Anthony Davis to the Mavericks and the fallout since that move. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff to talk about Aaron Rodgers, the Super Bowl and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank'em".
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I want to talk about Lucas first game, but uh,
I just I just think this is such a good
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topic and it was weird last week, Jay stew It
was weird because I do think there's a little of
the Saquon Barkley discussion that fits in with the Luca trade.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
And I'll explain in a.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Second, But I felt like, because this happened and it
was such a surprise that like the first day we
talked about the Luca trade.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Uh, it was. We're all just like in.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Shock, right, Like I remember walking around going like Luca
got traded. I was in bed and that's when I
texted you guys, and then I texted like all the
NBA insiders kind of same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Like Luca got traded, Like what the heck?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So look, I think there's still a whole bunch of
it to talk about, not just because Luca played last night.
There's also the rejected Laker trade right for Mark Williams,
so Dalton connects, like, Dad, what.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Do I do now I'm back here?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, kind of a redundancy, right, considering what all they have,
but Lakers have a lot of scoring.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I just the whole thing is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
And then Anthony Davis obviously incredible first app but he
got hurt, which is one of the reasons that supposedly
they wanted to trade Luka Dancik. So I guess let's
just talk Luca trade. As I told people when it happened,
and of course it's now kind of come out and
become part of public knowledge, is that, you know, Nico
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Harrison just thought I'm gonna give them biggest contract in
the history of sport to a guy that consistently doesn't
come in in shape, and because he doesn't come in shape,
there's a lack of personal self discipline, and ultimately that's
going to either shorten or harbor his hinder his career.
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And we've talked about in the show that of the
things that make Lebron great and respectable is Lebron James
takes exquisite care of his body.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
He just does.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It's not just the million dollars like its been ticed like, no, Look,
he doesn't have the bad habits that Kamaral Anthony did.
They gave in the league at the same time. And
Carl Anthony has been retired for like three or four years,
and really he's washed three or four years before that.
Why he just didn't take care of his body, whereas
Lebron did, always has, probably always will. It will always
be that annoying guy that's always in shape, never gets
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the pot belly right. So it's interesting how people want
to perceive this trade. And maybe it's a massive misevaluation
from Nico Harrison. I said at the time he didn't
get enough for Luca. On the other hand, I do
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think and again I know he got hurt, but what
did Anthony Davis have twenty four and thirteen the first
half of his first game. Like Anthony Davis, when he's healthy,
and he was healthy all of last year and been
healthy most of this year, is an unbelievable top five
player in the NBA. Now he's older, that's what makes
the calculation different, and he's been injured a bunch, that's
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what makes the calculation different. But I do think that
in the things that have have gone understated in this
in this trade, Anthony Davis is greatness is part of it,
but he is not and and he plays both at
both ends, whereas Luca doesn't. But Nico Harrison is similar
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to Joe Shane of the of the New York Giants. Right,
this is a long term. I feel like it's got
to be a long term and short term. He thinks
win for the Mavericks long short term in that, hey,
they Luca wasn't healthy and in order for them to
win short term, you got to get better defensively, and
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now they're really good defensively when Anthony Davis is healthy.
But long term in that you would have had to
give Luca a three hundred and fifty million dollars contract
and once you get that contract. If he doesn't want
to be in shape before that contract, why would you
want to be in shape after the contract? And I
may I think it's the parallel to the Saquon Barkley
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is so many people are saying giants made a mistake, Well,
raiders make a mistake with Josh Jacobs and all their mistakes,
And you might be right. But the argument wasn't over
do you want Josh Jacobs for next year? The argument
wasn't over do you want Saquon Barkley four next year?
It's do you want Saquon Barkley at a huge number
and it's not that big a number for three years guaranteed?
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Or do you want them for a year and a
half or two years guaranteed? That's really what it's about.
It's a long term Do you want a long term
invest in a running back a position that guys wear
down in, guys fade off in the sunset much quicker.
So the whole thing, just the whole thing is amazing.
And here's the other part that I find fascinating. I
said this to you, Jason Stewart, and I mean it
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to be true. I find it comic, comical, that people,
legitimate fans and some in the media, you know, like, well,
you gotta fire Nico Harrison. Nico Harrison doesn't know what
he's doing, and he may not know what he's doing,
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but help me out here.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Didn't the didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Didn't the Dallas Mavericks didn't the Dallas Mavericks go to
the NBA Finals last year? Didn't that happen? And if
I'm if I'm not mistaken, that's the same Nico Harrison
was the GM of the Mavericks when they went to
the finals last year. So the guy who knew enough
to put this roster together doesn't know enough about keeping
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the roster and improving the roster. I wouldn't have made
the trade. But I also don't know underneath the hood.
I don't know how bad the weight was. I don't
know how bad the personal conditioning was. I don't know
how much he pushed away from whatever the Mavericks wanted
him to do.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
But I also know that you won't have an answer
to this trade in the next week or two weeks.
And that's unfortunately what we do. We want immediate answers.
And oh yeah, by the way, if you went by
the immediate answer of the first half of the first game.
Anthony Davis was in versus the first half of the
game that Luka Dancik played, and you'd be like, well,
Anthony Davis is a better player again if you do
short term now, Anthony Davis gets hurt, Luca plays the
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whole game, Lucas still healthy, Anthon Davis is hurt, and
everybody thinks Lucas better. So the Lakers won the trade.
Let me let me ask you, dan Byer, where are
you We're like a week out of it. Where are
you on the trade?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I am where I was at the beginning. And I
just think that Nico Harrison completely did not see the
forest through the trees on what Luca meant to that organization.
And that is actually my biggest takeaway for what we
had in the NBA last night. The Lakers go and
don Crypto Arena with eighteen thousand Luka Doncic jerseys adorned
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throughout the arena. Well, the Dallas Mavericks are kicking out
fans for mouthing fire Nico on the jumbo tron, like,
that's where we are, Doug. I said it. If the
Mavericks win a championship. I don't think that Mavericks fans
will forgive Nico Harrison. They just loved cheering for Luka Doncic.
They loved it that Luka Doncic was theirs, whether it
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was in shape or not in shape. So I think
last night was such a I mean, the Lakers, who
we have clowned for the decisions that they've made at
times and said Lebron's running the front office and this
and that, they did the absolute right thing. ESPN bumps
a college basketball game to ESPNU for them to air it.
They have Luka Doncic jerseys everywhere. The starting lineups were
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announced and Lebron went second to last so Luca could
be announced last.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Like that's that's the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
And that's where just like Dallas and the Mavericks and
the ownership group and Nico Harrison are just missing the
big picture. And for somehow the Lakers not only is
it falling into their lap, but they're doing all the
right things.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Now, well, you're coming aboard the whole deal.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Like, yeah, it's to me, it was never about basketball.
It was about the city. It was about the fans
and the fans love of that organization and last night
I just thought was Wow, what a what a depiction
guy says fire Nico and gets kicked out of the
Mavericks game just from mouthing it on the jumbo Tron.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
There's there's a lot. There's a lot to it. That's interesting. Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
The big mistake that Nico made, okay, is how are
you going to have one of the most valuable pieces
in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And not take it to market? You know? And if
you don't take it to market.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
And I'll give you the easiest parallel that people in
southern California. I don't know if this happens elsewhere. I'm
sure there are some markets that are that do I'm
not gonna ask if you guys own your own home
or do not. I've owned several homes in California, and
all of our homes we sold off the market, sold
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off the market. There's never a sign in our front yard.
There are never open houses. There are people come in
literally call my buddy, John DeShawn. I'll even get out
his name because he bought and sold our houses, Like John, like, hey,
you want to sell that.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Well, how much can he get for it?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
They can get a good number and I got a family,
just move it in and literally we sold three houses
this way, which is you know, you have the cleaning
person come in, you know, everybody picks up your stuff
or whatever. They come in and what's the number, and
it's done. There's no listing of a house. But my
point has always been if you're not going to take
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it to market, and you're still gonna play real or
fees whatever, but there's you're gonna get top dollar for it,
because again and now it depends on buyers and sellers market.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
These were both in a seller's market. And the point
is that in a seller's market, if you take it
to market.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
The buyer runs the risk of bidding up and up
and up and up and up against somebody.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
On a buyer's market.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Well, now you sell it off market because you don't
want to sit for a long time and you kind
of take what they get. And like for Luka Doncik,
that's a seller's market. And to not get absolute top dollar,
not get an incredible home run, throw in everything we want.
I mean, I look at the New Orleans Pelicans when
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they traded Anthony Davis. The Lakers had to have Anthony
Davis had to have them, they didn't trade and remember
the trade deadline before the summer, the off season when
he was traded, they wouldn't do the deal. Why because
they wanted the kitchen sink everything that the Lakers had.
And the Lakers acquiesced in the off season and traded
for Anthony day Us. So the biggest mistake he made
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was that. Now, the other part that I find really
interesting is, and this is when you're running a business,
you're running a basketball team, which I do, is you
have to balance out the aspect of culture and talent, right,
culture and talent, because I actually don't think I think
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Dallas fans that like, oh, I will never root for
him ever again, I hate everybody in the win chips.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I love these guys.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Now, it is something unique about Dallas, right, because I
mean dirt Novisky flamed out in the first round of
the playoffs way more than he ever went to the
Western Conference finals. Yet he is absolutely beloved, similarly to Lucas.
That's where I would I will agree with you there, Dan,
But everyone says I will never ever period ever, and
then the team wins and then they shut the hell up,
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because that's that's really But here's where I think the
Mavericks were torn and all of us. Who you take
over a team, basketball, football, baseball, or take over a business,
you sit there and go like, I'm going to implement
my culture. I'm going to do things the right way.
I am going to make sure that everybody is equal,
everybody's even, and whoever's bought in the most, you know,
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they get the most out of it. That's the one.
And that sounds great, it really does. But you know,
when one guy can put the ball into the basket
at a much higher rate, or create much more excitement,
or create many more baskets than the other guy, you're like, ah,
my culture is important, but you find ways.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Okay, Kate Cunningham is an all star, Kate Cunningham is
going to have a great career with the with the
Detroit Pistons. But Mike Boyden is a great friend of mine.
He's now an assistant coach at Michigan, and he told me,
he's like, do you know why Kate Cunningham was never
late to the bus?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And I was like, why is that?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
He's like, because I would wait and hide and wait
for all the coaches that text me, kid's on the bus,
and then I get on the bus. You want your
culture to be, Hey Lombardi time, everybody's here, the hems
for they're supposed to be and then the other part too.
It is like Kate Cunningham's one year at Oklahoma State.
They were really successful. They played a lot of his
owner's like why, It's like, well, he was a terrible
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defensive player at that point time in his career. So
I could either yell and stream and take him out
or I could play two three zone and you know what,
I get the best offensive player in college basketball on
offense and I get to lead him on the court.
Plus you foul us, So yeah, you give away some
of who you are as a coach. You want to
play a tough, hard man to man defense and turn people.
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That sounds great, but you know what, you need that
other dude at the other end, And I think if
you wanted to go miss calculation, Dan, that's where I
would say the miscalculation is. Culture is great, defense is great,
conditioning is great. Those things are all part of what
I'm trying to do. But you know, like, look, we
lost a game early this year, or my leading scorer
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I benched him because he misshoot around. You know, wasn't
a hard decision at the time, but then you're looking
up and you're down twenty and you're like, well, if
we had him, we could win this game, and now
I can get away with it in year one.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
But man, I don't know. I don't know if I
would change decisions, all right, be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Right, So I think that's what the miscalculation was, is that, Hey,
culture is important, and getting guys bought in is important.
And look, the idea of paying a guy more money
than anybody's ever made in the NBA and he doesn't
want to come in shape and he doesn't want to
play defense, and there's a lot I get it, but.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
And I will better win.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I'll just quick say this, Dirk being there last night
for Luca. I know a lot of people are looking
into that and reading into that. I just think that's
more of him being the big brother. That this how
the trade has had trauma on Luca. That's how I
took Dirk's appearance last at all, going to be there
for the guy, not that he's abandoned the Mavericks, but
that he's just more being there for Luca.
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So the report out of New York, did you guys
see this? The report out of New York is that
the Jets are like, hey, listen to Aaron Rodgers who
flew back.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Now here's what I think is interesting. Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
The report from Jay Glazer is that Aaron Rodgers flew
all the way back to the Jets only to be
found out they didn't want him. Do you guys remember
that that was what two days ago?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Jason? Was it two days ago? Was it two days ago?
Speaker 6 (16:51):
On?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I think Glazier did that Sunday morning?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I think yeah, okay, Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Okay, So Super Bowl pregame, He's like, hey, Aaron Rodgers
flew all the way back. When then Jay's point it
was a good one, which is, if Aaron Rodgers didn't
want to play football anymore, why would he flown all
the way back to the Jets.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
It's a good point. Doesn't mean that Aaron Rodgers is going.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
To play, but it's a pretty easy kind of you know,
a to B line to draw. Then the report comes
today that the Jets said, Hey, if you want to
come back, gonna make all of training camp, all the OTAs,
all the stuff, and we're not gonna do.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Pat McAfee anymore.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
So help me, I ask John metal Coffee is going
to join him a second. But it sounds like Jay Glazer,
and I mean this out of complete respect for him.
His source is quite obviously Aaron Rodgers and the other
sources and there's been several reports on this are quite
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obviously the New York Jets. Do you guys dispute that
at all, right, because it's not what was said, it's
how it was ingested. And so it sounds like Aaron
Rodgers like, well, they don't want me back, because you know,
why would you. I'm not going to be told that
I have to make every ota and it's my time
on a Tuesday, it's our off day. If I want
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to do Pat McAfee, I can do Pat McAfee, right,
And the New York Jets saying otherwise, that's who their
social Let's ask John Mitalcoffe. He joins on the Doug
Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. John of course, has
a tremendous podcast called three and Out on the Volume
Podcast Network. Is that fair that the Jay Glazer report
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that Aaron Rodgers flew all the way back only to
be told he wasn't wanted was from Aaron Rodgers, and
the reports that the Jets told Aaron Rodgers he'd have
to make all workouts and not do Pat McAfee was
a report coming from the Jets side.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
I think that's a fair assumption. Yeah, I think they
you know, I think it's pretty clear at the end
of the season that you know, Aaron was taking some
subtle shots that would he and the kids. You know,
it was kind of over and I think anytime a
good owner that tries, not me to like a meddlesome goes, well,
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I'm going to stay out of it. Let my head
coach determine. But the coach is getting information from his
agent what they want, so it's to me it was
a pretty easy decision. And it's almost like making a
contract negotiation offer when you know they're going to say no,
where the decision was already made. Aaron Rodgers is not
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coming back.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Will he play football this year.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Well, that's the question, because you know, with his salary
cap number that he's making like thirty plus million dollars,
I don't think anyone's paying a mat. So do the
Jets cut him and or you know, would they eat
some money? I mean, is he playing next year for
someone you know at eight to fifteen million dollar range? Now,
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he's in a unique situation. I think I heard Chefter
say yesterday he might be you know now, granted that
this will change over the next five years, but I
think he's currently the highest stayed player in the NFL
history in terms of career earnings. And if that's if
he's not one, he's definitely top two or three. So
at this point in time money, but like, what are
his options? Like the Titans, the Raiders. You know, it's
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not like the Chiefs or the Builder Collins. So most
of these teams calling him like, at least in theory
when he went to the Jets, and even last year
when he battled back from injuries, not like we're going
to be pretty good, right and rightfully, so I thought
I didn't think they were should be the favorite to
win the division. But I was like, yeah, I could
see them being competitive if he was good. It turns
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out that wasn't the case. But like their rockter is
a lot better than these teams that are going to
be interested in him. So I would say, if you
asked me right now, betting Man, does he play or not?
I would say yes because typically athletes, but he still
can play in the NFL. I mean, let's just look
at his brother, right, Brady basically played dull. He's forty five,
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forty six. Manning would have kept playing, his arm gave
out on him. Same thing with Roethlisberger and same thing
with Drew Brees. Like those guys didn't want to stop rivers,
you know, with somewhat in the middle. I think he
could have kept playing, probably, but clearly he was trending
the wrong way and just was like, yeah, it's altco
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coach high school football. Most guys like, you know, it
has to be pretty extreme where people don't want him.
People are gonna want Aaron Rodgers at least to be
a stopgap, Like I sink the Titan is being all over,
So would he be interested in something like that? So
my guess would be, yeah, he ends up playing next year.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Why was
the Super Bowl such a mismatch?
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Well, I think the one spot in the NFL, regardless
how we discussed the game about being dramatically different than
the sport we grew up on, which is true. I mean,
when you watch highlights in the eighties and nineties, it
looks much closer to something you would see in the
octagon or NHL than you you know, you do now
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in on the football field. But at the line of
scrimmage you can still be very violent and they're not
like they're not throwing personal foul penalties from being too
physical between offensive and defensive linement on each other. And
the Eagles defensive line just looked like an unstoppable force.
And the Chiefs offensive line has had issues all season long.
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And if you go back to the Texans game, you know,
early on in that game, the Texans were hanging with them,
and part of it was their d line was given
Mahomes trouble. They weren't necessarily sacking them, but they were
forced them to move around, and they just had edge rushers.
The thing with the Eagles is they got ed rushers
and they got inside rushers, and their defensive coordinator is
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like a throwback from the eighties and nineties, who if
you've give them the right players, those guys. I mean
I was texting Howie Roseman. I was like, it reminded
me of the you know, late or early twenty eleven,
twelve forty nine ers like that unit he had Justin Smith,
Alvin Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Ray McDonald and it was like
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you played those Nighters teams. People were just they were
hurting you up front. And that's what the Eagles defensive
line looked like. And to me, it was just like
that simple. That wasn't the dif front of the game.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I thought both.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I bought both lines, but especially their defensive line. I
don't know if you follow Bill Barnwell on social media,
but but he tweeted out all the sacks and I mean,
when you when your left tackle can't block, they're they're rusher,
you have no shot.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
And then even the guards and centers were getting yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And then and then Kelsey Kelsey's Kelsey's never been a
great blocker, but his chips were bad and it got
exposed as well, like it just is all bad.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
It is all bad.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
But it's crazy that a team goes from where they
only lose one game essentially, and look, we all know
that they were just finding a way and you know
they needed.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
A call here and a play there.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
But that game wasn't competitive at all. And tell me
if I'm wrong. A little bit of the lack of
running the football is not just personnel based. Hasn't that
always been the mo o of Andy Reid is like
end of the day, he really doesn't want to run
the football.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Yeah, I mean he's a passing game guy. I mean
the way he gets his running backs and ball is
you know, he likes running backs. That's why when he
got the Kansas City and Jamal Charles and there he
throwing the ball. Brian Westbrook, Shady McCoy, you know each
reat the Mike McCaffrey right, get him out in space
and throwing the ball. I'll defend him here. You know
they're they're I'm sure they're then game, especially in Philly
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back in the day that if you would have had
more balance, I don't think it would have mattered like that.
They weren't going to be able to run it on
them their offensive line. It was crazy. How I don't know,
if they just had an awful. Obviously, they're not a
great offensive line by any means, but they picked the
wrong day to have their worst game. I think. Also,
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you know, I've heard some people say this, and I
was talking to Coward. He's like, you know, Brady, they
would have found a way with Well, Brady plays a
lot different than Patrick. I mean part of playing with
Patrick who said that.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Coward, well, well did he not watch the Giant Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
No, did the Giant? This is exactly what happened.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
And then again like that, but they were defending them.
The sense is that they would have kept the game closer.
You know, it's like Patrick. Part of Patrick, Patrick gets far.
You know, he's more of a run round create. You know,
Brady and Manning they did like their whole game is
get rid of the like they can't move at all.
And Andy kind of is more of an artist with
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the way that he coaches because he gets back to Farms. Honestly,
it's back to BYU in the early eighties when they
were probably one of the only programs in college football
that was good throwing the ball. So it's like he
liked a quarterback to make things happen, and Patrick don't.
I don't know if he was a little banged up
coming into the game, but looked a kind of a
step slower. Maybe it was just the seat of the Eagles.
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Maybe the Eagles were just they had just hit their stride.
They would have beat anybody because they made the Chiefs
look like eight to eight football game.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
That was. That's some bad football. Some bad football. Okay,
a bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Kellen Moore and Brandon Staley stay united, right the Chargers,
only they switch and now Kellen Moore is gonna be
the head coach Brandon Stanley with the Saints. Well what
do you think?
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Well, I mean, Pat, Kellen and Brandon Sala clearly have
a pretty close relationship with their buddies. You know what
I was told by people with the Eagles of the
Super Bowl is that, you know, Kellen has aspired to
be a head coach for a long time. I mean,
it's kind of in his blood. His dad was a
high school coach, but his white guy in the profession
(27:19):
quickly after playing like he wants to be a head coach.
And he, you know a lot of guys are like
this in the NFL. Is very ambitious because I go,
why would you take this job? I mean, I think
this is a terrible job. And then you look around
and go, who's going to be a defensive coordinator? I
think for him it's it's probably a double whammy. Gets
the guy who has been a head coach, a guy
he's comfortable with. Yeah, I know, everyone likes to lean on. Well,
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he's a really good coordinator. That one year with the Rams,
and like I was, kind of that was a small
sample sized, unique situation.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
He was, he was, and he was with Fangio in Chicago, right,
and then he was understated to Fangio this year, So.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
You know, and what I think they're gonna have to
do is kind of go Detroit Lions year one, Dan
Campbell and just kind of blow the whole thing up
and just kind of eat it in the face. Yeah,
that's what I.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Don't know what you're talking about. Oh yeah, I do
know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It's Doug Gotlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trail speaking
of the Lions.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
How big a drop off when you lose those two coordinators?
Speaker 6 (28:23):
I think offensively, it's to me, it's easier to replace
an offensive coordinator in the NFL if you have a
good personnel. So I don't know anything about Johnny Morton. Besides, like,
I mean, i've heard the name before. I know he's
been with Sean Payton and stuff. But like if he
slid their team so loaded on that side of the ball,
it might not be as like creative on a week
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to week basis, but like they should be pretty good
on offense. It's hard to find good defensive coordinators. I mean, heck,
I've seen Kyle Shannon in the last couple of years,
you know, keep banging his head against the wall because
he hasn't been able to replace the Miko. And look
what they had to do. They had to go back
to the well Robert Salt. So like when you get
a guy, it's kind of a combination of two things.
You've got to be smart from a schematic standpoint, but
(29:07):
unlike often like it's not really as much about like
rallying the troops. It's like an innovative kind of spot.
Defense is a lot of screaming and motivation and it's
you know, I think Aaron Glenn is a pretty unique,
you know, high level player, clearly a smart guy schematically,
you know, it's it's hard to find so I think
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that's a tough spot. Now for the Lions, specifically, they're
lucky Dan can kind of play that role and help out.
But the defense would give me more pause than the offense.
I mean, look at the Eagles. I mean the defensively,
you know, Kannon is solid, and I actually think it's
probably better head coach than the coordinator. But fans Gio
(29:50):
is like pretty elite, and you give him good players.
We just witnessed what happened at the best defense in
the league and they win Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Okay, what's the most interesting team this offseason to you?
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Uh? Well, I think and I think there's a decent
chance that Micah Parsons and Miles Garrett are traded. So
you know, Miles Garrett's to me his comp that's really
like Reggie White. Now Reggie was a little older, but
you usually don't treat twenty nine to thirty year old
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defensive linemen like they are in the prime of their career.
I say, he's an outlier and he's going to be
treated that way. Mike is legitimately going into his first contract,
you know, first non rookie contract, so he's going to
get the what Jalen Ramsey, Khalil Mack. You know those guys.
I mean, if you're talking about those guys on the
open market, I can't even imagine the calls Dallas and
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Cleveland have already gotten with laid out offers like, hey, hey, Jerry,
just wanted to let you know we got two ones
that it's two for you. That's where we'll start. You know,
we're open ears. We'll go higher if you want get
it back, you know. I mean, I'd be shocked if
twenty plus teams have had called those teams with like
made offers already. So you get those type players in
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those positions. I mean, look at a Super Bowl. I mean,
like we talked about, the game was one and lost
the line of scrimmage and especially rushing the passer, and
you get those two guys, I mean, Miles Garrett, the
Hall of Fame, Cast Thresher and Micah if you could
stay healthy, I think, you know, definitely could put up
those type numbers. So I think you're going to look
at two guys that I mean honestly could be traded
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within the month. So you know, I would say the Packers,
I think, the Lions, I know, the Eagles, I mean
the Niners. You get a lot of NFC contenders, the Rams.
That's what they do that they sniff around and they're
aggressive front offices. And now they're all kind of chasing
Howie because he's kind of the leader of the pack
(31:55):
of aggression. So I think a lot of NFC teams
are gonna sniff around on Miles Garrett for sure, who's the.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Number one righte receiver the Packers are gonna go get.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
That's a good question. I mean, I thought they have
a pretty good group. I mean, I to me, is
there is there a problem the receiver position or is
this their quarterback kind of being all over the back?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, you have Josh Jacobs coming out and say it.
It's generally felt in Green Bay. Obviously you had an
injury to one.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
It's an interesting it's when when you know, when your
quarterback doesn't say it but insinuates it your running back
does say it. I don't know, and it's not the
Green Bay way to say it, but it was really
really interesting. Uh well, listen, John, are you coming to
the draft.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
One draft?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
The NFL draft?
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Oh? Oh is it green Bay is here?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Well, you know, usually not it's it's easier from my house.
But uh, and I'd never say never.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
That's not don know, wasn't the answer I was searching for.
But no, no, no, all right, welcome the draft.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Unlike some of these other events, you know, it's I've
been to a couple there's not much happening, though there's
a lot happening, right, It's not like going to a
game or even the Super Bowl week. It's just it's
kind of it's kind of a unique thing. Yeah. So yeah,
it's just much easier for me to handle everything I got.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Just put it under consideration, how I would all right,
Thanks Sean John Middlecoff.
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Speaker 5 (33:57):
This is game time in on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Dan, what's the game today?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
But Doug, the game on this Tuesday is rank them?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
All Right, Doug, for the final time of this NFL season,
rank your final top three teams.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
In the NFL.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Well, okay, Dan, here's a here's an honest problem I have.
Which Detroit Lions would you like me to select?
Speaker 6 (34:30):
He?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I think that do you do you want me to
do the imaginary roster if they were all healthy, or
do you want to do the roster that they lost
in the in the first game?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I think when we last saw the team in our
final look fair again.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
That's that's just why I'm asking. Uh, I'll go.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
And while you deliberate there a lot of times this
is for the listener, I'll bring you inside. We know
who number one is gonna be. It's gonna be the
Philadelphia Eagles. But the real gem. Yeah, the the what
would you say, pearl in the oyster? Is what comes
at two and three? The Chiefs loss?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
The two is the Buffalo Bills. I think the Bills
are better? Okay, tier are the Buffalo Bills?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
The Eagles?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
One?
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Bills? Two?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out three. I mean, I
think if they were healthy, I would pick the Lions
at two. But you said, when we saw him last,
we saw him last, they're not good.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
And then you know you get the Bills, do you
have the Ravens there. Sorry, how close the Ravens Bills
game was? Right, I'll put Chiefs three Bills to Eagles one.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Okay, I think that's fair. So rank your top three
current NFL head coaches.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Top three current NFL Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
I'll tell you what the pearl in this is.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Does Nick Sirianni now crack the top three? That's what
That's what the pearl is.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think he does. I don't
think he does. But I also think that my list
may may may shock people.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Are you shocked by what? Time? Pull over? Number three?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
My number three head coach currently in the NFL is
Dan Campbell. What he's done in Detroit is absolutely legendary.
My number two coach in the NFL is Sean McVay.
Sean McVay, he's won a Super Bowl. Uh, he's been
to another, much like what we have in Sirianni. And
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I mean, like, look, even this year, they're right there
with the Eagles and they do not have the town
of Eagles.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I mean. Number one is Andy.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Reid currently in the NFL currently NFL. I don't think
that's a great roster. And yet there they were in
the Super Bowlgan.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
All right, Doug, ranked the top three teams professional or
college that you don't like to see win.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Uh oh, do you.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Number number three Robert Morris Oklahoma Oklahoma?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yes, number two, number two.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
UW Milwaukee, and number one the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
That.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Wow, that is where the uh the pearl is.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
All Right, finally, Doug, as we move past football things,
are three things you're looking forward to post football season?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Uh? Well, I know.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Number one is getting that dub.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yes, that's number one, getting that uh getting a dub
At some point you're both football winning.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Just one, number number three, Number three is uh march madness.
Number two is the NBA playoffs, and number one is
finally getting.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Dug getting that dub. Yeah, that's game time.
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Speaker 4 (38:27):
Doug, if you were ranking college basketball coaches, who do
you have at number one?
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Bill Self?
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Not Bruce Pearl.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I love Bruce Pearl's good friend of mine, Bill Self.
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I want to talk about Lucas first game, but uh,
I just I just think this is such a good
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topic and it was weird last week, Jay stew It
was weird because I do think there's a little of
the Saquon Barkley discussion that fits in with the Luca trade.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
And I'll explain in a.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Second, But I felt like, because this happened and it
was such a surprise that like the first day we
talked about the Luca trade.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Uh, it was. We're all just like in.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Shock, right, Like I remember walking around going like Luca
got traded. I was in bed and that's when I
texted you guys, and then I texted like all the
NBA insiders kind of same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Like Luca got traded, Like what the heck?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So look, I think there's still a whole bunch of
it to talk about, not just because Luca played last night.
There's also the rejected Laker trade right for Mark Williams,
so Dalton connects, like, Dad, what.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Do I do now I'm back here?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, kind of a redundancy, right, considering what all they have,
but Lakers have a lot of scoring.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I just the whole thing is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
And then Anthony Davis obviously incredible first app but he
got hurt, which is one of the reasons that supposedly
they wanted to trade Luka Dancik. So I guess let's
just talk Luca trade. As I told people when it happened,
and of course it's now kind of come out and
become part of public knowledge, is that, you know, Nico
(02:27):
Harrison just thought I'm gonna give them biggest contract in
the history of sport to a guy that consistently doesn't
come in in shape, and because he doesn't come in shape,
there's a lack of personal self discipline, and ultimately that's
going to either shorten or harbor his hinder his career.
(02:47):
And we've talked about in the show that of the
things that make Lebron great and respectable is Lebron James
takes exquisite care of his body.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
He just does.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It's not just the million dollars like its been ticed like, no, Look,
he doesn't have the bad habits that Kamaral Anthony did.
They gave in the league at the same time. And
Carl Anthony has been retired for like three or four years,
and really he's washed three or four years before that.
Why he just didn't take care of his body, whereas
Lebron did, always has, probably always will. It will always
be that annoying guy that's always in shape, never gets
(03:21):
the pot belly right. So it's interesting how people want
to perceive this trade. And maybe it's a massive misevaluation
from Nico Harrison. I said at the time he didn't
get enough for Luca. On the other hand, I do
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think and again I know he got hurt, but what
did Anthony Davis have twenty four and thirteen the first
half of his first game. Like Anthony Davis, when he's healthy,
and he was healthy all of last year and been
healthy most of this year, is an unbelievable top five
player in the NBA. Now he's older, that's what makes
the calculation different, and he's been injured a bunch, that's
(04:03):
what makes the calculation different. But I do think that
in the things that have have gone understated in this
in this trade, Anthony Davis is greatness is part of it,
but he is not and and he plays both at
both ends, whereas Luca doesn't. But Nico Harrison is similar
(04:26):
to Joe Shane of the of the New York Giants. Right,
this is a long term. I feel like it's got
to be a long term and short term. He thinks
win for the Mavericks long short term in that, hey,
they Luca wasn't healthy and in order for them to
win short term, you got to get better defensively, and
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now they're really good defensively when Anthony Davis is healthy.
But long term in that you would have had to
give Luca a three hundred and fifty million dollars contract
and once you get that contract. If he doesn't want
to be in shape before that contract, why would you
want to be in shape after the contract? And I
may I think it's the parallel to the Saquon Barkley
(05:09):
is so many people are saying giants made a mistake, Well,
raiders make a mistake with Josh Jacobs and all their mistakes,
And you might be right. But the argument wasn't over
do you want Josh Jacobs for next year? The argument
wasn't over do you want Saquon Barkley four next year?
It's do you want Saquon Barkley at a huge number
and it's not that big a number for three years guaranteed?
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Or do you want them for a year and a
half or two years guaranteed? That's really what it's about.
It's a long term Do you want a long term
invest in a running back a position that guys wear
down in, guys fade off in the sunset much quicker.
So the whole thing, just the whole thing is amazing.
And here's the other part that I find fascinating. I
said this to you, Jason Stewart, and I mean it
(05:55):
to be true. I find it comic, comical, that people,
legitimate fans and some in the media, you know, like, well,
you gotta fire Nico Harrison. Nico Harrison doesn't know what
he's doing, and he may not know what he's doing,
(06:16):
but help me out here.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Didn't the didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Didn't the Dallas Mavericks didn't the Dallas Mavericks go to
the NBA Finals last year? Didn't that happen? And if
I'm if I'm not mistaken, that's the same Nico Harrison
was the GM of the Mavericks when they went to
the finals last year. So the guy who knew enough
to put this roster together doesn't know enough about keeping
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the roster and improving the roster. I wouldn't have made
the trade. But I also don't know underneath the hood.
I don't know how bad the weight was. I don't
know how bad the personal conditioning was. I don't know
how much he pushed away from whatever the Mavericks wanted
him to do.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
But I also know that you won't have an answer
to this trade in the next week or two weeks.
And that's unfortunately what we do. We want immediate answers.
And oh yeah, by the way, if you went by
the immediate answer of the first half of the first game.
Anthony Davis was in versus the first half of the
game that Luka Dancik played, and you'd be like, well,
Anthony Davis is a better player again if you do
short term now, Anthony Davis gets hurt, Luca plays the
(07:24):
whole game, Lucas still healthy, Anthon Davis is hurt, and
everybody thinks Lucas better. So the Lakers won the trade.
Let me let me ask you, dan Byer, where are
you We're like a week out of it. Where are
you on the trade?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I am where I was at the beginning. And I
just think that Nico Harrison completely did not see the
forest through the trees on what Luca meant to that organization.
And that is actually my biggest takeaway for what we
had in the NBA last night. The Lakers go and
don Crypto Arena with eighteen thousand Luka Doncic jerseys adorned
(08:06):
throughout the arena. Well, the Dallas Mavericks are kicking out
fans for mouthing fire Nico on the jumbo tron, like,
that's where we are, Doug. I said it. If the
Mavericks win a championship. I don't think that Mavericks fans
will forgive Nico Harrison. They just loved cheering for Luka Doncic.
They loved it that Luka Doncic was theirs, whether it
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was in shape or not in shape. So I think
last night was such a I mean, the Lakers, who
we have clowned for the decisions that they've made at
times and said Lebron's running the front office and this
and that, they did the absolute right thing. ESPN bumps
a college basketball game to ESPNU for them to air it.
They have Luka Doncic jerseys everywhere. The starting lineups were
(08:50):
announced and Lebron went second to last so Luca could
be announced last.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Like that's that's the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
And that's where just like Dallas and the Mavericks and
the ownership group and Nico Harrison are just missing the
big picture. And for somehow the Lakers not only is
it falling into their lap, but they're doing all the
right things.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Now, well, you're coming aboard the whole deal.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Like, yeah, it's to me, it was never about basketball.
It was about the city. It was about the fans
and the fans love of that organization and last night
I just thought was Wow, what a what a depiction
guy says fire Nico and gets kicked out of the
Mavericks game just from mouthing it on the jumbo Tron.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
There's there's a lot. There's a lot to it. That's interesting. Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
The big mistake that Nico made, okay, is how are
you going to have one of the most valuable pieces
in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And not take it to market? You know? And if
you don't take it to market.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
And I'll give you the easiest parallel that people in
southern California. I don't know if this happens elsewhere. I'm
sure there are some markets that are that do I'm
not gonna ask if you guys own your own home
or do not. I've owned several homes in California, and
all of our homes we sold off the market, sold
(10:10):
off the market. There's never a sign in our front yard.
There are never open houses. There are people come in
literally call my buddy, John DeShawn. I'll even get out
his name because he bought and sold our houses, Like John, like, hey,
you want to sell that.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Well, how much can he get for it?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
They can get a good number and I got a family,
just move it in and literally we sold three houses
this way, which is you know, you have the cleaning
person come in, you know, everybody picks up your stuff
or whatever. They come in and what's the number, and
it's done. There's no listing of a house. But my
point has always been if you're not going to take
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it to market, and you're still gonna play real or
fees whatever, but there's you're gonna get top dollar for it,
because again and now it depends on buyers and sellers market.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
These were both in a seller's market. And the point
is that in a seller's market, if you take it
to market.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
The buyer runs the risk of bidding up and up
and up and up and up against somebody.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
On a buyer's market.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Well, now you sell it off market because you don't
want to sit for a long time and you kind
of take what they get. And like for Luka Doncik,
that's a seller's market. And to not get absolute top dollar,
not get an incredible home run, throw in everything we want.
I mean, I look at the New Orleans Pelicans when
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they traded Anthony Davis. The Lakers had to have Anthony
Davis had to have them, they didn't trade and remember
the trade deadline before the summer, the off season when
he was traded, they wouldn't do the deal. Why because
they wanted the kitchen sink everything that the Lakers had.
And the Lakers acquiesced in the off season and traded
for Anthony day Us. So the biggest mistake he made
(12:03):
was that. Now, the other part that I find really
interesting is, and this is when you're running a business,
you're running a basketball team, which I do, is you
have to balance out the aspect of culture and talent, right,
culture and talent, because I actually don't think I think
(12:25):
Dallas fans that like, oh, I will never root for
him ever again, I hate everybody in the win chips.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I love these guys.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Now, it is something unique about Dallas, right, because I
mean dirt Novisky flamed out in the first round of
the playoffs way more than he ever went to the
Western Conference finals. Yet he is absolutely beloved, similarly to Lucas.
That's where I would I will agree with you there, Dan,
But everyone says I will never ever period ever, and
then the team wins and then they shut the hell up,
(12:53):
because that's that's really But here's where I think the
Mavericks were torn and all of us. Who you take
over a team, basketball, football, baseball, or take over a business,
you sit there and go like, I'm going to implement
my culture. I'm going to do things the right way.
I am going to make sure that everybody is equal,
everybody's even, and whoever's bought in the most, you know,
(13:14):
they get the most out of it. That's the one.
And that sounds great, it really does. But you know,
when one guy can put the ball into the basket
at a much higher rate, or create much more excitement,
or create many more baskets than the other guy, you're like, ah,
my culture is important, but you find ways.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Okay, Kate Cunningham is an all star, Kate Cunningham is
going to have a great career with the with the
Detroit Pistons. But Mike Boyden is a great friend of mine.
He's now an assistant coach at Michigan, and he told me,
he's like, do you know why Kate Cunningham was never
late to the bus?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And I was like, why is that?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
He's like, because I would wait and hide and wait
for all the coaches that text me, kid's on the bus,
and then I get on the bus. You want your
culture to be, Hey Lombardi time, everybody's here, the hems
for they're supposed to be and then the other part too.
It is like Kate Cunningham's one year at Oklahoma State.
They were really successful. They played a lot of his
owner's like why, It's like, well, he was a terrible
(14:17):
defensive player at that point time in his career. So
I could either yell and stream and take him out
or I could play two three zone and you know what,
I get the best offensive player in college basketball on
offense and I get to lead him on the court.
Plus you foul us, So yeah, you give away some
of who you are as a coach. You want to
play a tough, hard man to man defense and turn people.
(14:38):
That sounds great, but you know what, you need that
other dude at the other end, And I think if
you wanted to go miss calculation, Dan, that's where I
would say the miscalculation is. Culture is great, defense is great,
conditioning is great. Those things are all part of what
I'm trying to do. But you know, like, look, we
lost a game early this year, or my leading scorer
(14:59):
I benched him because he misshoot around. You know, wasn't
a hard decision at the time, but then you're looking
up and you're down twenty and you're like, well, if
we had him, we could win this game, and now
I can get away with it in year one.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
But man, I don't know. I don't know if I
would change decisions, all right, be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Right, So I think that's what the miscalculation was, is that, Hey,
culture is important, and getting guys bought in is important.
And look, the idea of paying a guy more money
than anybody's ever made in the NBA and he doesn't
want to come in shape and he doesn't want to
play defense, and there's a lot I get it, but.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
And I will better win.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I'll just quick say this, Dirk being there last night
for Luca. I know a lot of people are looking
into that and reading into that. I just think that's
more of him being the big brother. That this how
the trade has had trauma on Luca. That's how I
took Dirk's appearance last at all, going to be there
for the guy, not that he's abandoned the Mavericks, but
that he's just more being there for Luca.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
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Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's a Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
So the report out of New York, did you guys
see this? The report out of New York is that
the Jets are like, hey, listen to Aaron Rodgers who
flew back.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Now here's what I think is interesting. Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
The report from Jay Glazer is that Aaron Rodgers flew
all the way back to the Jets only to be
found out they didn't want him. Do you guys remember
that that was what two days ago?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Jason? Was it two days ago? Was it two days ago?
Speaker 6 (16:51):
On?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I think Glazier did that Sunday morning?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I think yeah, okay, Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Okay, So Super Bowl pregame, He's like, hey, Aaron Rodgers
flew all the way back. When then Jay's point it
was a good one, which is, if Aaron Rodgers didn't
want to play football anymore, why would he flown all
the way back to the Jets.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
It's a good point. Doesn't mean that Aaron Rodgers is going.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
To play, but it's a pretty easy kind of you know,
a to B line to draw. Then the report comes
today that the Jets said, Hey, if you want to
come back, gonna make all of training camp, all the OTAs,
all the stuff, and we're not gonna do.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Pat McAfee anymore.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
So help me, I ask John metal Coffee is going
to join him a second. But it sounds like Jay Glazer,
and I mean this out of complete respect for him.
His source is quite obviously Aaron Rodgers and the other
sources and there's been several reports on this are quite
(17:53):
obviously the New York Jets. Do you guys dispute that
at all, right, because it's not what was said, it's
how it was ingested. And so it sounds like Aaron
Rodgers like, well, they don't want me back, because you know,
why would you. I'm not going to be told that
I have to make every ota and it's my time
on a Tuesday, it's our off day. If I want
(18:13):
to do Pat McAfee, I can do Pat McAfee, right,
And the New York Jets saying otherwise, that's who their
social Let's ask John Mitalcoffe. He joins on the Doug
Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. John of course, has
a tremendous podcast called three and Out on the Volume
Podcast Network. Is that fair that the Jay Glazer report
(18:37):
that Aaron Rodgers flew all the way back only to
be told he wasn't wanted was from Aaron Rodgers, and
the reports that the Jets told Aaron Rodgers he'd have
to make all workouts and not do Pat McAfee was
a report coming from the Jets side.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
I think that's a fair assumption. Yeah, I think they
you know, I think it's pretty clear at the end
of the season that you know, Aaron was taking some
subtle shots that would he and the kids. You know,
it was kind of over and I think anytime a
good owner that tries, not me to like a meddlesome goes, well,
(19:16):
I'm going to stay out of it. Let my head
coach determine. But the coach is getting information from his
agent what they want, so it's to me it was
a pretty easy decision. And it's almost like making a
contract negotiation offer when you know they're going to say no,
where the decision was already made. Aaron Rodgers is not
(19:37):
coming back.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Will he play football this year.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Well, that's the question, because you know, with his salary
cap number that he's making like thirty plus million dollars,
I don't think anyone's paying a mat. So do the
Jets cut him and or you know, would they eat
some money? I mean, is he playing next year for
someone you know at eight to fifteen million dollar range? Now,
(20:06):
he's in a unique situation. I think I heard Chefter
say yesterday he might be you know now, granted that
this will change over the next five years, but I
think he's currently the highest stayed player in the NFL
history in terms of career earnings. And if that's if
he's not one, he's definitely top two or three. So
at this point in time money, but like, what are
his options? Like the Titans, the Raiders. You know, it's
(20:29):
not like the Chiefs or the Builder Collins. So most
of these teams calling him like, at least in theory
when he went to the Jets, and even last year
when he battled back from injuries, not like we're going
to be pretty good, right and rightfully, so I thought
I didn't think they were should be the favorite to
win the division. But I was like, yeah, I could
see them being competitive if he was good. It turns
(20:50):
out that wasn't the case. But like their rockter is
a lot better than these teams that are going to
be interested in him. So I would say, if you
asked me right now, betting Man, does he play or not?
I would say yes because typically athletes, but he still
can play in the NFL. I mean, let's just look
at his brother, right, Brady basically played dull. He's forty five,
(21:13):
forty six. Manning would have kept playing, his arm gave
out on him. Same thing with Roethlisberger and same thing
with Drew Brees. Like those guys didn't want to stop rivers,
you know, with somewhat in the middle. I think he
could have kept playing, probably, but clearly he was trending
the wrong way and just was like, yeah, it's altco
(21:33):
coach high school football. Most guys like, you know, it
has to be pretty extreme where people don't want him.
People are gonna want Aaron Rodgers at least to be
a stopgap, Like I sink the Titan is being all over,
So would he be interested in something like that? So
my guess would be, yeah, he ends up playing next year.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Why was
the Super Bowl such a mismatch?
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Well, I think the one spot in the NFL, regardless
how we discussed the game about being dramatically different than
the sport we grew up on, which is true. I mean,
when you watch highlights in the eighties and nineties, it
looks much closer to something you would see in the
octagon or NHL than you you know, you do now
(22:20):
in on the football field. But at the line of
scrimmage you can still be very violent and they're not
like they're not throwing personal foul penalties from being too
physical between offensive and defensive linement on each other. And
the Eagles defensive line just looked like an unstoppable force.
And the Chiefs offensive line has had issues all season long.
(22:44):
And if you go back to the Texans game, you know,
early on in that game, the Texans were hanging with them,
and part of it was their d line was given
Mahomes trouble. They weren't necessarily sacking them, but they were
forced them to move around, and they just had edge rushers.
The thing with the Eagles is they got ed rushers
and they got inside rushers, and their defensive coordinator is
(23:07):
like a throwback from the eighties and nineties, who if
you've give them the right players, those guys. I mean
I was texting Howie Roseman. I was like, it reminded
me of the you know, late or early twenty eleven,
twelve forty nine ers like that unit he had Justin Smith,
Alvin Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Ray McDonald and it was like
(23:28):
you played those Nighters teams. People were just they were
hurting you up front. And that's what the Eagles defensive
line looked like. And to me, it was just like
that simple. That wasn't the dif front of the game.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I thought both.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I bought both lines, but especially their defensive line. I
don't know if you follow Bill Barnwell on social media,
but but he tweeted out all the sacks and I mean,
when you when your left tackle can't block, they're they're rusher,
you have no shot.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
And then even the guards and centers were getting yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And then and then Kelsey Kelsey's Kelsey's never been a
great blocker, but his chips were bad and it got
exposed as well, like it just is all bad.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
It is all bad.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
But it's crazy that a team goes from where they
only lose one game essentially, and look, we all know
that they were just finding a way and you know
they needed.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
A call here and a play there.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
But that game wasn't competitive at all. And tell me
if I'm wrong. A little bit of the lack of
running the football is not just personnel based. Hasn't that
always been the mo o of Andy Reid is like
end of the day, he really doesn't want to run
the football.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Yeah, I mean he's a passing game guy. I mean
the way he gets his running backs and ball is
you know, he likes running backs. That's why when he
got the Kansas City and Jamal Charles and there he
throwing the ball. Brian Westbrook, Shady McCoy, you know each
reat the Mike McCaffrey right, get him out in space
and throwing the ball. I'll defend him here. You know
they're they're I'm sure they're then game, especially in Philly
(25:01):
back in the day that if you would have had
more balance, I don't think it would have mattered like that.
They weren't going to be able to run it on
them their offensive line. It was crazy. How I don't know,
if they just had an awful. Obviously, they're not a
great offensive line by any means, but they picked the
wrong day to have their worst game. I think. Also,
(25:23):
you know, I've heard some people say this, and I
was talking to Coward. He's like, you know, Brady, they
would have found a way with Well, Brady plays a
lot different than Patrick. I mean part of playing with
Patrick who said that.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Coward, well, well did he not watch the Giant Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
No, did the Giant? This is exactly what happened.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
And then again like that, but they were defending them.
The sense is that they would have kept the game closer.
You know, it's like Patrick. Part of Patrick, Patrick gets far.
You know, he's more of a run round create. You know,
Brady and Manning they did like their whole game is
get rid of the like they can't move at all.
And Andy kind of is more of an artist with
(26:04):
the way that he coaches because he gets back to Farms. Honestly,
it's back to BYU in the early eighties when they
were probably one of the only programs in college football
that was good throwing the ball. So it's like he
liked a quarterback to make things happen, and Patrick don't.
I don't know if he was a little banged up
coming into the game, but looked a kind of a
step slower. Maybe it was just the seat of the Eagles.
(26:26):
Maybe the Eagles were just they had just hit their stride.
They would have beat anybody because they made the Chiefs
look like eight to eight football game.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
That was. That's some bad football. Some bad football. Okay,
a bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Kellen Moore and Brandon Staley stay united, right the Chargers,
only they switch and now Kellen Moore is gonna be
the head coach Brandon Stanley with the Saints. Well what
do you think?
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Well, I mean, Pat, Kellen and Brandon Sala clearly have
a pretty close relationship with their buddies. You know what
I was told by people with the Eagles of the
Super Bowl is that, you know, Kellen has aspired to
be a head coach for a long time. I mean,
it's kind of in his blood. His dad was a
high school coach, but his white guy in the profession
(27:19):
quickly after playing like he wants to be a head coach.
And he, you know a lot of guys are like
this in the NFL. Is very ambitious because I go,
why would you take this job? I mean, I think
this is a terrible job. And then you look around
and go, who's going to be a defensive coordinator? I
think for him it's it's probably a double whammy. Gets
the guy who has been a head coach, a guy
he's comfortable with. Yeah, I know, everyone likes to lean on. Well,
(27:42):
he's a really good coordinator. That one year with the Rams,
and like I was, kind of that was a small
sample sized, unique situation.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
He was, he was, and he was with Fangio in Chicago, right,
and then he was understated to Fangio this year, So.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
You know, and what I think they're gonna have to
do is kind of go Detroit Lions year one, Dan
Campbell and just kind of blow the whole thing up
and just kind of eat it in the face. Yeah,
that's what I.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Don't know what you're talking about. Oh yeah, I do
know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It's Doug Gotlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trail speaking
of the Lions.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
How big a drop off when you lose those two coordinators?
Speaker 6 (28:23):
I think offensively, it's to me, it's easier to replace
an offensive coordinator in the NFL if you have a
good personnel. So I don't know anything about Johnny Morton. Besides, like,
I mean, i've heard the name before. I know he's
been with Sean Payton and stuff. But like if he
slid their team so loaded on that side of the ball,
it might not be as like creative on a week
(28:45):
to week basis, but like they should be pretty good
on offense. It's hard to find good defensive coordinators. I mean, heck,
I've seen Kyle Shannon in the last couple of years,
you know, keep banging his head against the wall because
he hasn't been able to replace the Miko. And look
what they had to do. They had to go back
to the well Robert Salt. So like when you get
a guy, it's kind of a combination of two things.
You've got to be smart from a schematic standpoint, but
(29:07):
unlike often like it's not really as much about like
rallying the troops. It's like an innovative kind of spot.
Defense is a lot of screaming and motivation and it's
you know, I think Aaron Glenn is a pretty unique,
you know, high level player, clearly a smart guy schematically,
you know, it's it's hard to find so I think
(29:28):
that's a tough spot. Now for the Lions, specifically, they're
lucky Dan can kind of play that role and help out.
But the defense would give me more pause than the offense.
I mean, look at the Eagles. I mean the defensively,
you know, Kannon is solid, and I actually think it's
probably better head coach than the coordinator. But fans Gio
(29:50):
is like pretty elite, and you give him good players.
We just witnessed what happened at the best defense in
the league and they win Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Okay, what's the most interesting team this offseason to you?
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Uh? Well, I think and I think there's a decent
chance that Micah Parsons and Miles Garrett are traded. So
you know, Miles Garrett's to me his comp that's really
like Reggie White. Now Reggie was a little older, but
you usually don't treat twenty nine to thirty year old
(30:27):
defensive linemen like they are in the prime of their career.
I say, he's an outlier and he's going to be
treated that way. Mike is legitimately going into his first contract,
you know, first non rookie contract, so he's going to
get the what Jalen Ramsey, Khalil Mack. You know those guys.
I mean, if you're talking about those guys on the
open market, I can't even imagine the calls Dallas and
(30:51):
Cleveland have already gotten with laid out offers like, hey, hey, Jerry,
just wanted to let you know we got two ones
that it's two for you. That's where we'll start. You know,
we're open ears. We'll go higher if you want get
it back, you know. I mean, I'd be shocked if
twenty plus teams have had called those teams with like
made offers already. So you get those type players in
(31:12):
those positions. I mean, look at a Super Bowl. I mean,
like we talked about, the game was one and lost
the line of scrimmage and especially rushing the passer, and
you get those two guys, I mean, Miles Garrett, the
Hall of Fame, Cast Thresher and Micah if you could
stay healthy, I think, you know, definitely could put up
those type numbers. So I think you're going to look
at two guys that I mean honestly could be traded
(31:34):
within the month. So you know, I would say the Packers,
I think, the Lions, I know, the Eagles, I mean
the Niners. You get a lot of NFC contenders, the Rams.
That's what they do that they sniff around and they're
aggressive front offices. And now they're all kind of chasing
Howie because he's kind of the leader of the pack
(31:55):
of aggression. So I think a lot of NFC teams
are gonna sniff around on Miles Garrett for sure, who's the.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Number one righte receiver the Packers are gonna go get.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
That's a good question. I mean, I thought they have
a pretty good group. I mean, I to me, is
there is there a problem the receiver position or is
this their quarterback kind of being all over the back?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, you have Josh Jacobs coming out and say it.
It's generally felt in Green Bay. Obviously you had an
injury to one.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
It's an interesting it's when when you know, when your
quarterback doesn't say it but insinuates it your running back
does say it. I don't know, and it's not the
Green Bay way to say it, but it was really
really interesting. Uh well, listen, John, are you coming to
the draft.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
One draft?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
The NFL draft?
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Oh? Oh is it green Bay is here?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Well, you know, usually not it's it's easier from my house.
But uh, and I'd never say never.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
That's not don know, wasn't the answer I was searching for.
But no, no, no, all right, welcome the draft.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Unlike some of these other events, you know, it's I've
been to a couple there's not much happening, though there's
a lot happening, right, It's not like going to a
game or even the Super Bowl week. It's just it's
kind of it's kind of a unique thing. Yeah. So yeah,
it's just much easier for me to handle everything I got.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Just put it under consideration, how I would all right,
Thanks Sean John Middlecoff.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Doug got Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you
from the tyreck dot Com studios. Well, every day at
this time we get to Dan Byron say, Hey, Dan,
let's play a game.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
This is game time in on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Dan, what's the game today?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
But Doug, the game on this Tuesday is rank them?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
All Right, Doug, for the final time of this NFL season,
rank your final top three teams.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
In the NFL.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Well, okay, Dan, here's a here's an honest problem I have.
Which Detroit Lions would you like me to select?
Speaker 6 (34:30):
He?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I think that do you do you want me to
do the imaginary roster if they were all healthy, or
do you want to do the roster that they lost
in the in the first game?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I think when we last saw the team in our
final look fair again.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
That's that's just why I'm asking. Uh, I'll go.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
And while you deliberate there a lot of times this
is for the listener, I'll bring you inside. We know
who number one is gonna be. It's gonna be the
Philadelphia Eagles. But the real gem. Yeah, the the what
would you say, pearl in the oyster? Is what comes
at two and three? The Chiefs loss?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
The two is the Buffalo Bills. I think the Bills
are better? Okay, tier are the Buffalo Bills?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
The Eagles?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
One?
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Bills? Two?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out three. I mean, I
think if they were healthy, I would pick the Lions
at two. But you said, when we saw him last,
we saw him last, they're not good.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
And then you know you get the Bills, do you
have the Ravens there. Sorry, how close the Ravens Bills
game was? Right, I'll put Chiefs three Bills to Eagles one.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Okay, I think that's fair. So rank your top three
current NFL head coaches.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Top three current NFL Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
I'll tell you what the pearl in this is.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Does Nick Sirianni now crack the top three? That's what
That's what the pearl is.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think he does. I don't
think he does. But I also think that my list
may may may shock people.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Are you shocked by what? Time? Pull over? Number three?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
My number three head coach currently in the NFL is
Dan Campbell. What he's done in Detroit is absolutely legendary.
My number two coach in the NFL is Sean McVay.
Sean McVay, he's won a Super Bowl. Uh, he's been
to another, much like what we have in Sirianni. And
(36:50):
I mean, like, look, even this year, they're right there
with the Eagles and they do not have the town
of Eagles.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I mean. Number one is Andy.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Reid currently in the NFL currently NFL. I don't think
that's a great roster. And yet there they were in
the Super Bowlgan.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
All right, Doug, ranked the top three teams professional or
college that you don't like to see win.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Uh oh, do you.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Number number three Robert Morris Oklahoma Oklahoma?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yes, number two, number two.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
UW Milwaukee, and number one the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
That.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Wow, that is where the uh the pearl is.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
All Right, finally, Doug, as we move past football things,
are three things you're looking forward to post football season?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Uh? Well, I know.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Number one is getting that dub.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yes, that's number one, getting that uh getting a dub
At some point you're both football winning.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Just one, number number three, Number three is uh march madness.
Number two is the NBA playoffs, and number one is
finally getting.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Dug getting that dub. Yeah, that's game time.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Game, this is game time. On The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Doug, if you were ranking college basketball coaches, who do
you have at number one?
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Bill Self?
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Not Bruce Pearl.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I love Bruce Pearl's good friend of mine, Bill Self.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Coming next to the Doug Gotlip Show live from the
tyrack dot Com Studios. Gotta put a bowl in the
Super Bowl. That's next on The Doug Gotlieb Show.
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