February 14, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug talks about the negotiation betweeen YouTubeTV and CBS and how that has the potential to impact viewers who want to watch March Madness on their streaming service. Doug and the crew discuss the JuJu Watkins USC team's win over UCLA. Doug welcomes FSR NBA Insider Ric Bucher to talk about the Luka Deal, the OKC Thunder and all of the headlines around the NBA. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through a game of "I Got Dibbs".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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all ascumeus Thursday.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's a Friday, A sorry Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Today's Friday?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yes, every day Friday? Every day? It is yes, everyday day?
Does feel like that happy Valentine's Day? A lesser sports
radio host would do, Hey, let's talk about what we
love about sports. Let me love about sports. We'll take
Cob Wells eight seven seven fat love something. But instead
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we're going to talk kind of real sports talk. I
hope everybody had a great thing Valentine's morning. Right this
I feel like Valentine's Day. It's just one of those
days to where like, if you need Valentine's Day to
get you in the good graces of somebody you care about,
then you're probably not doing a good job of the
rest of the.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Three hundred and sixty four other days.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
But I mean, like, look, if it's an excuse to
take her out to dinner, to get her flowers, to
buy her something nice, yeah, why not? She should be
an inoffensive, innocuous holiday. All right, But I digress, I digress.
It is the Doug gottlieb Shaw on Fox Sports Radio.
I've been in this business now for twenty three years, right,
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and I was at ESPN for nine years in Bristol, right,
And we used to have meetings and they would talk
about all our cart, all our cart television, Ali cart
television and ali cart television was remember back in the
days when everyone just had cable or DirecTV or dish,
(02:15):
it was you had bundles. So again, if you got ESPN,
you would get Fox, you would get Fox Sports one,
you would get all the sports channels in a bundle,
and a la cart was the idea that you could
go and go like I want this channel not this
channel and this channel and not that channel, and this
channel and not that shot. You know how some people
have this on their guides where you can pick your
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favorite channels and then when you change channel, it only
changes to those favorite channels in the guide. I've used that,
by the way, It's great, and I was like, man,
I don't want to get stuck on c SPAN. Well,
don't make c spell on your favorites, especially if you
like watching sports on TNT and TNT is not in
the kind of sports classification. You put it down as
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your favorite and that's what pops up in your guide.
That's the idea of olikart programming. When I was at ESPN,
this is going back.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
All the way back to two thousand and three. Are
starting there, and I remember in two thousand.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
And nine we'd have a meeting and they would say,
don't ever say the words a la carte, ola carte
viewing or ola carte channel selection ever out loud, because
that was seen as the downfall to ESPN. ESPN collects
billions of dollars per year from YouTube, TV Now and
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all the cable companies and DirecTV and Thish Network. If
you want to carry our product for every sub subscriber,
you have to give us this small amount.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's how they make the money.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And in an effort to push back against that, we
had people pushing for a la carte, and then we
had these streaming services. And as we told you when
the streaming services started, Yes, I got to tell you,
there's more good shows available to anybody he watches TV
now than ever before. It's much like newspapers. No one
reads newspapers anymore, but people read every day. There's an article,
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but your boy in the Athletic today, for example. The
Athletic is part of the New York Times. But have
you read the New York Times? Probably not? Have you
read the Athletic if you're a sports fan, probably A
la carte allows you to I don't want I just
want the things I want and nothing else. But streaming services.
They're not bundles, but they're a la carte. You get
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all of the If you Disney, for example, now you
get all the Marvel, you know, the Star Wars, you
know the Disney stuff. So I believe it was earlier
today it was announced that YouTube tv would not carry CBS,
and CBS is the home for the NCAA tournament and
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final four you get selection Sunday, and I believe this
year you get the final four. Last year was on TNT,
and I guess it's like, how are we supposed to
feel about this? The problem with the old carriage fight,
the problem if the old If you don't carry CBS,
you don't get CBS, you don't get Paramount, you don't
get Nickelodeon, you don't get all that.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That's their own kind of bundle.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
The problem with that is if you want to watch
the NCAA tournament, you can get it on your phone
on the March.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Madness app for free.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And if you like what you're watching on your phone,
you want to watch it at home, you can cast
it onto your TV. So I'm not sure you need
that anymore. I'm not sure you need it anymore. The
Doug got Leap Show broadcast live from the Tyraq dot
com studio, So here's some of the details here. YouTube
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and Paramount Global are still haggering over a new distribution deal,
and they've reached a short term extension to let Internet
TV service continue carrying CBS and more than twenty other networks.
The companies are sparring over financial terms. With Paramount seeking
a rate hike. Their existing deal is supposed to expire
February thirteenth. That was last night on Thursday Evenings. Shortly
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after the deadline passed. YouTube TV said on x we've
reached the short term extension to keep their content on
YouTube TV. Subscribers continue to have access to Paramount channels,
including CBS. We appreciate your patients. We continue to negotiate
on your behalf. Paramount rep confirmed the short term deal
and extension with YouTube. The point is that for years
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ESPN would have these fights as well, cause it's like,
I don't know, seven dollars of subscriber and back when
they had one hundred million subscribers, that's seven billion dollars
before they ever sold an AD. Right now, with the
with the base kind of shrinking, with the subscribers numbers shrinking,
you're trying to get it from other places.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Just let me just peruse the guys.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Dan, do you have what is? What do you watch
at home? I'm sorry, I low, I low? You don't
you bootleg everybody's stuff?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Really, what do you have your.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
We are cord cutters, And to answer you specifically, I'll
be using exactly what you mentioned, and that's my wife's
access to the march madness at that you described, which
is how she consumed it last year. And while we're
talking about access, Jason, can you give me your pastord
to the athletics so I can read the feature story
about Doug?
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Thank you. Look, they did the article about you.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Do they give you free access to the article, assuming
you're not already a member?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Doug? No?
Speaker 5 (07:32):
No, they should at least give you a temporary link
so you can read your own feature article.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I'm just yeah, people tell me the article is interesting, Like,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'm just who has time.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
I'm just looking for the shout out for years Brian Hamilton.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Shout out to Brian Hamilton. He's hung out with us
for like two weeks. I'm sure he wrote a really
good article. I have not read it. Most people have
told me what it?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Can I do? The Trump is? Who does a Trump imitation?
Can somebody do the trum vitation?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
People are saying that it's the greatest article it's ever
been written, And I wish that's right, that I'm the
greatest coach that has ever been I wish I had
somebody do we have no one on staff that does
a Trump impression.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
No, but I can give you the lead. You want
the lead, sure, dateline, Green Bay, Wisconsin. Bear tree branches
don't quiet the wind, and the ice on the bay
is thick enough that the neighbors set up a hockey
rink offshore. And then later in the first paragraph there's
a Vince Lombardi reference. So I think it's off to
a good start.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Good poetic, poetic if nothing else. Jay Stu, what do
you watch? What's your streaming or cable network of company?
Speaker 7 (08:39):
Since the Since the Winner? Since December of twenty eighteen,
I've been a YouTube TV subscriber. I don't know anybody
in my circle or anyone I've run into that has
been a subscriber longer to YouTube TV than me. So
I'm a diehard. I'm one of the originals.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Sammy, what about you?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Are you asking what streaming service I use?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, I have had YouTube TV since about I think
it's been around since about twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. That's
when when I had a roommate and he had it,
and then I really liked it, so I started to
pick it up. And then I use other things like
you know, Amazon Prime and Peacock and all that. But yeah,
YouTube TV I've had for seven seven years now or so.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
His password is Hawkeye won by the.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Way, Yes, yes, Kaitlin Clark. Sure, heart emoji, heart emoji,
heart emoji, heart.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Emoji fitting on Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Okay, So I guess the question becomes like, if you
can't get the NCAA tournament, would you keep your YouTube TV?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I would yeah, because I use it for I had
like mini channels on it.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So what about you just two?
Speaker 7 (09:51):
Oh no doubt YouTube TV is superior, And I think
in this mix, CBS needs YouTube TV, which more than
the other way around.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, Like, look, the leverage part is that they also
have NFL games. They don't have the Super Bowl next
year that's NBC, but they have NFL games, and they
have they have red Zone, right, and then they have
the NCAA tournament. So I would agree with you in
terms of the NCAA tournament CBS, and I don't know
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who else is on that platform, Like I don't think
Turner is on that platform because remember Turner actually owns
eighty percent of the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's on TNT, TBS and True TV.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And yes, the Final four and Selection Sunday are on CBS.
You'd miss those, but you could watch them. I guess
somewhere else I would agree with you. I think in
this particular case, this is one in which YouTube TV
is probably.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Going to hold firm. And my guess is that Paramount.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Now, Paramount does have some other things going for it, right,
It's got Landman had Yellowstone for a long time. There
are some other shows that people want to watch. But
I think it's just interesting that I've lived long enough
in this business to where people are complaining about, hey,
why don't we have Oli cart programming? Kind of goes
to Oli Cart programming, and now you're like, man, I
kind of wish we had the old cable bundles where
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we just paid a price, got what we want. I
know these carriage deals have been ongoing the entire time,
but it does tell you that like even YouTube TV,
they basically have bundle deals with YouTube TV with the
Paramount people got the same thing with Peacock keep people
with NBC that the more things change, the more they
stay the same. And though it feels like it shouldn't
be a monopoly anymore. From the from the cable companies.
(11:38):
Now it's a monopoly from the TV companies. Whoever owns
the most inventory should be interesting.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
But just to clarify for the listeners here, yeah, CBS,
CBS Sports Network, b E T, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, MTV,
TV Land, CMT, and VH one would go away if
they are not to reach an extent the deal. Here.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Wait, TNT also in that deal.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
No, TNT is not a part of that deal.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
So who else is in the What else is part
of the deal?
Speaker 7 (12:10):
MTV, CMT, VH one, Comedy Central, Nickelodeon, b E T,
and CBS Sports Network.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Which of those which you like losing the least. I
think Comedy Central would probably be the one I'd like
losing the least, right, But that's about it. I'm not
sure that that's a strong standing there. I don't know
it's gonna be interesting. I'm fascinating those deals. I don't
know if the viewer or the listener is I really don't,
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but I think it's interesting. Only in that four years
we were told, hey, cable companies, they're the worst. They
do the bundle programming, and then YouTube TV does the
exact same thing. They just do, only they did it
less expensively with it was in a less expensive fashion.
What's the sentence Jason helped me out. Give me the
get the bright way, the right way to speak with
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the right.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Syllable, and the most cost effective.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yes, there you go, most cost effective.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
And by the way, YouTube tv has eight million subscribers.
It's the largest streaming subscriber base in the country.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Only eight million, correct, yep, wow.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Okay, but that's the biggest of that's the largest streaming.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Largest of the streaming. Right.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You still have people to have cable still. I don't
know what is is eighty to ninety million people still
have cable?
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Oh yeah, I think our own damn buyer still clings
to cable.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I don't mind cable what it comes with the internet.
It just again depends on which.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Cable it's cheaper if you do get cable with the internet,
because I have to buy my internet, which is already
expensive after a few years, and then pay for YouTube
TV on top of that. So it's not not the
deal of the cable bundle.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
It is not.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
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Speaker 1 (14:01):
Abby Valentine's Day to Doug Gottliebshell here at Fox Sports Radio,
Rick Buker in a moment, So, uh, Sam, I know
you watched USC UCLA's women I did.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I did not. Uh I was.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I was eyes deep in uh Northern Kentucky. Who we
play tonight?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
As you should be?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Well, yeah, everybody tells me that's what I'm supposed to
be doing it every hour.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Doug.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I don't want to see you cooking or eating or
sleeping like.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Everything you just watched film. You need to be.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Coaching and scheming for your next game.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
If I see a picture of you like chopping onions
on a on a cutting board, you're talking about cooking. Yeah, Like, Doug,
why are you eating? You should be game planning.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I should be game planning.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
You're right, man, you're every moment of every day.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Every moment of every day.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Uh okay, Uh, Jay Stude, did you watch any of
the UCLA USC women's game?
Speaker 7 (14:52):
No? No, but I've enjoyed everything since. In other words,
I watched the highlights, and then I have watch a
lot of the people that look down their nose at
you to tell you how good women's basketball is. Sure,
tell me that this was the apex of sports. This
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competition last night proved that women's basketball is here to stay.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Uh okay, Ilo, did you watch any of the game?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Chord cutters so didn't have access to it, followed it
in real time on social media, including the highlights, and
then watched the complete highlights afterward. So unlike this passage
from your article where it says he leaves the thought
unfinished a minor miracle, I did not leave that thought unfinished.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Okay. I just I know why you're why you love it.
Jase too.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It's because everybody in the world likes being right. Is
that about it?
Speaker 7 (15:55):
I think it's to me, it's like this. I'm a
certain age and I put a lot of years in
the business. I like when things happen that confirm my instincts.
Like when my instincts are something and then it plays
out that way, then might it just proves.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
That my game is still or is that yeah?
Speaker 7 (16:15):
You gave it still fall.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
So your instincts were and I think our instincts were lying,
Which is as much as people wanted to make it
about women's basketball and.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
The rise of popularity.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
It was really this amazing Haley's comment named Caitlin Clark,
that continues to bring people to television sets and nothing
else has changed around it is that?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Is that your those your instincts.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Yes, and and and then that goes on on our radar,
you and me from a national sports perspective, and and
what what we need to be engaged with that nothing
has changed my radar.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Here's why, Okay, here's why.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Do you know where these instincts come from in general?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Or what do you mean your my instincts on sports?
Where do they come from? They come from?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
We've been doing this for a long time and we're
both from southern California. And in nineteen ninety three, I
was at Lake HAVISU and everybody came off the lake
to watch the LA Kings play in the Stanley Cup finals.
And I learned that apparently a stick can only be
curved so much like I had no idea, No one
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in LA had any idea that the curvature of a
hockey stick could only be just so. Marty mcstory's stick
was too curved. I still don't know, you know, like
I do know that footballs are supposed to be inflated
to a certain level. Basketball, it's the same. I had
no idea about a hockey stick. It makes sense. My
point is that soccer has been the sport of the
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future since we were kids. Hockey was everything in the
early nineties, and and now Caitlyn Clark were told has
made women's professional basketball, women's college basketball on par with
the men's game, because if you look at last year's ratings,
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the women on some level outrated.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Of the men. Is that fair that sam?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Is that fair that we have Some have uttered that
as having data to support it, that the women's game
is equal to that of the men's college game, and
it's the WNBA is growing in leaps and bounds in popularity.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Are those fair? Sure?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Some have said that those things.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
The reality is that I don't think it's just your instincts.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Your instincts are on point. Your instincts are honed over
years and years of experience. Right, we had a women's
professional soccer league right after Brandy Chestain took off her
shirt at the Rose Bowl, and everybody's like women's pro soccer. Yes,
And people didn't watch women's pro soccer. They watched the
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US women win the World Cup in LA, right, I
mean the hockey thing it was Wayne Gretzky came to LA.
The sport didn't grow that much in popularity. They left
their home markets, and now they're back in their home markets.
It's still very popular, in more of a niche scale.
And that's the same thing with the WNB, the same
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thing with women's basketball.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
It's good, it's supported.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Don't move to domes, don't get out of yourself, and
just know it was more Caitlin Clark than anything else.
Some timing helped you. Caitlin being the same school for
four years helped you. But she is one of one
and it doesn't have to do with her being the
greatest ever. She's just the most popular ever.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
It's the Doug.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. It's coming to
you live from the Tirek dot Com studios. Let's catch
up with Rick Muker. Of course you see him on
FS one. He covers the NBA as well as all sports,
but he's been an NBA insider for years. Now that
the dust is settled, what do you think of the
Lakers with Luke in the MAVs?
Speaker 8 (20:01):
Would a d I don't know that my view necessarily
has changed, or that it is concrete in a way,
I feel as if, look, probably what we've learned the
most is how much it was owner driven by the
comments that have coming out can come out from the
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Dallas Mavericks ownership. But that also fits in with the
fact that it's not a matter of what Luca has done.
It really was driven by the idea that they were
going to have to invest three hundred and forty five
million dollars in the next five years, and a guy
who was not available because of a calf injury that
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he's had for the fourth time, that he was asked
to stay in some kind of state so that when
he did come back he'd be be effective and was
not willing to do that, and that they just box
that the number. Now for the Supermox Conference, Max contracts
are at a point where it used to be if
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you had a superstar player, yeah, we're probably going to
over have to overpay or pay some exorbitant number, but
it was like, you just have to do it, you
have to do it. And now we've seen enough superstar
players who have conditioning issues that it it becomes a
(21:27):
questionable bet. And I can't help, but feel like the
well Joel Embiid and Zion Williamson haven't accomplished what Luca
has to this point in his career. They're looking forward
and saying, yeah, but what does it matter what he's
done if he's not able to do it going forward
and we're going to have this money invested in it.
So I feel like that is what drove that decision.
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I think it's more clear than ever the bet that
that is the case. And you know, we've got two
games with the Lakers to to gauge who they are
going to be. I think everything that we expected was
was on display. Defensively, they're going to have issues. If
I was an opposing coach, I would be playing up
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tempo and making Luca and Lebron play transition defense as
much as possible. The loss of Anthony Davis is going
to leave them very vulnerable defensively. In general, you're going
to have highlights, But I like I do I think
they're better? Do I think the Lakers are better right now?
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I'm not sure that they are. I don't. I don't
think they're I think they've taken a step back, and
when fully healthy, I think the Dallas Mavericks have more
potential than I thought previously. Is it getting back to
the finals, I don't know, But in the short term
I like their mix, And ultimately we're going to decide
this by by one thing. Which team wins a championship sooner.
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The Lakers have a long runway to do that. But
if the Dallas Mavericks win a championship or get back
to the finals in the next year or two, then
I'm going to say that it was a potentially successful trade,
depending on what Luca is in la. If Luca gets
as it continues to have issues and they can't build
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a team that goes to the finals around him, then
I'm going to look at it as the Dallas Mavericks
made a very shrewd and thoughtful move.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Rick Biger joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's bounce around, like how
big an impact wuld Jimmy Butler have on the Warriors.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
Well, in terms of where they are, how far they go.
I think he's already had an impact as far as
the belief in the team that they can get something
done or that they're better than they than they were previously.
He brings a different gravitas for me to that team,
(24:06):
and he brings a guy, quite honestly, who hasn't won
a ring, And I think there's something there, and so, uh,
I still, let's put it this way. I think they're there.
I could see them even if it's to the play in.
I can see them making the playoffs, and I could
see them potentially winning around depending on what the matchup is.
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I don't know that I had a very confident belief
that any of that was possible previously. So does he
make them title contenders? I don't. I don't believe that
that's I don't think. I don't think there was a
move to be made that would make them titles contenders.
Do I think that they are better than they were? Yes?
Speaker 7 (24:49):
I do.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Philadelphia's in this weird place right where so many people
are paying attention to the Lakers, the Warriors, the Nuggets,
A few people are paying attention to the Sixers.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
How messy are things really in Philly?
Speaker 8 (25:06):
Well, they're messy. I mean. The issue that I've had
from the very beginning was, and this is sort of
the Darryl Morey model, is that we're just going to
put stars together and it doesn't really matter, like how
those stars are integrated seemingly. Seemingly, I mean, you know,
(25:31):
you put Dwight Howard and James Harden together, Like, what
are the chances that that's going to work? From a
personality level and a personnel level. I just I watched
Tyrese Maxey and Paul George play and I'm like, those
guys have no chemistry. And then you have Joel embiid
(25:52):
in and out and I know what the record is
when all three of them are on the floor, But
you know this as a coach, like, I think it's
like six and one when all three of them have played.
That's well and good. That's a lot of talent to
put on the floor. But if you're an opponent, how
do you prepare seeing that threesome versus not seeing that threesome?
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We're only seeing one of them. The preparation is completely different.
And then when you throw the three of them at you,
now you have some issues that doesn't necessarily reflect how
good they would be if you knew that you were
going to play all three of them and could prepare
for it. So I just I think it's I think
(26:34):
it's a bad it's a bad, expensive mix. And the
one thing that Daryl has been really good at is
it's been extricating himself out of bad combon, you know,
horrible expensive combinations. And I just look at this as
another one where he's going to have to work that
magic because I don't you know what, you could have
(26:57):
all three of those guys healthy, and I I'm not
feeling any more optimistic about what they're going to do.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Uh, Okay, then let's uh, we've got a couple more
of Rick Buker who joins us here. No one's talking
about the thunder. I feel like no one's and obviously,
you know my ties to Oklahoma's Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I know people in the organization. Yea, is it?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Is it because of what happened in the playoffs last year?
Is it because of the Luca thing? Is it what
no one's talking about Oklahoma City?
Speaker 8 (27:32):
Yeah? I do think that we we sort of take
them for granted. But then I think we're taking Nikolajkis
for granted this year too, And it is it's I
think some of it is that, Uh, there's nothing controversial
about the thunder. There's nothing, you know, shake guilty Alexander
(27:55):
is just a great player, but he's not He's not
out there saying things, doing things, putting it in people's faces.
They're they're a good fun team. They have a sort
of a collegiate aura about them and the way that
they play, and so there's nothing there that is controversial
(28:15):
that it's grabbing your attention. And then I do think
it is in part like they were so good last
year and then they got exposed in the in the postseason,
and so I think there's a there's a bit of
like wait and see. You know, yes, they're they're running
rampant through the regular season, but can they make that shift.
(28:40):
I think that adding Isaiah Hartenstein certainly helps them. I
do think that their offense is some simplistic and and
could cause them problems in the postseason. Again, as far
as being fairly easy to diagnose, Uh, but yeah, it's
(29:02):
I don't want to say that it's you know, most
people would say, well, it's Oklahoma City people just not
paying it, the fan base isn't big enough or whatever.
I don't think it's that. I think, you know what,
I think they're just they're too nice. They're too nice.
They're too controversy free, and that's just not what grabs
our attention in today's sports world.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Stell got the show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah. I mean, it's that whole element of it is
really really interesting. But I think probably the biggest part
is they haven't won yet in the playoffs, and once
you win in the playoffs, suddenly now you significant, you
significantly change how we view you. All Star Weekend, All
Star weekind we got these multiple team things. Yeah, no,
(29:47):
Caitlyn Clark involved. They keep trying to change different ways
to get these guys to play hard.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
What are your thoughts heading into All Star Weekend?
Speaker 8 (29:57):
Uh? You know, the big thing for me is and
I'm reminded of it being around it and having it
in the Bay Area is uh. And and fans by
and large, and anybody who's upset about the players not
playing hard it probably doesn't want to hear this, but
it has become such a corporate affair and it has
(30:19):
become there. There's there are so many things that the
players here are asked to do from minute to minute,
hour to hour that the game is an afterthought in
every for anybody who's directly involved in the NBA and
involved in this weekend, Like everybody's exhausted by the time
(30:44):
they get to Sunday, including the players. And so you
add that to what what am I getting out of this? Well,
it used to be like when you played in that game,
that was your stage and your platform. That was where
where you got to be associated with the All Stars.
Now Thursday, Friday, Saturday, in a multitude of ways is
(31:09):
how you are recognized as an All Star. The game
really isn't where you have that. It's not the biggest
platform that you're on anymore. So I think that that
is a big part of it. It's just become as
the league like this is the dirty secret and can
(31:29):
people won't bang on the NBA because of ratings or
attendance or any of those things. The NBA has found
that to be profitable, it wants to build as many
revenue streams as possible and those go and a lot
of those involved getting customers who will never attend the
(31:50):
game and some who will never watch an NBA game.
I was just in the technology summit and they were
talking about the guy from Apple was talking about fact
that he asked everybody in the room how many people
watch the last three minutes of the Rockets Warriors game,
and very few hands went up in the room, and
he goes, that's the problem, Like people are not actually
(32:15):
watching the games, and you had a room. This is
the NBA, This NBA All Star Weekend is the NBA Texas.
These are all people that are associated with the NBA.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Sure there there.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
The game has become secondary and the All Star weekend
is a perfect example of all the different places that
the NBA is putting its attention and it's not on
the court.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
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Speaker 2 (33:04):
Let's get to a game.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Okay, there is love. What do you got quote?
Speaker 5 (33:17):
It is impossible to spend any decent amount of time
in this orbit and conclude the head coach only kind
of cares he cares about everything, including this. I got DIBs.
All right, guys, best cities for a sports championship parade?
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Who you got DIBs on?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I got DIBs on La the arguably or in argument,
I hate championship parades.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I don't know if you know this. I don't want
to be Debbie Downer on your game.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
But the LA parade was the famous one where pat
Riley said we're going to three peat, and then he
trademarked the term threete.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
So anytime you.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Come up with a new term, that term is trademarked
and everybody uses it. All at a victory parade when
so many others are non memorable other than they were drunk,
I give you Los Angeles.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
I once had hundreds of Laker fans pour beer on
me at one of their championship parade. It's certainly memorable.
I'm shocked. The first out of the shoot wasn't New York, Philadelphia, Boston? Guys,
Oh god, please please please don't say to Moine. Please
don't say Des Moines.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I don't think they have any I don't There would
be no championship, there'd be no franchisees. Celebrating a championship
there at least I don't. Maybe the Des Moines Wolves,
who were like a farm.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Team Bulldogs we played them this year.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
A good team, Yeah they are that McCollum as twenty
some wins now, yeh, Drake, Yeah, be on the lookout.
I'll take you. I'll take dims on Philly. You know,
you go down in South Philly and you got some
of those, you know, two three story old brick buildings.
It's a nice backdrop. You can get a lot of people.
My sister and her family were oute there today for
the parade. Got a couple of good shots of the
big double decker buses passing by. So I'll take Philly.
(35:06):
It's got a nice esthetic.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Hey, Doug, I know you've only lived there a few months.
But if the Packers won the Super Bowl, where exactly
do you think the victory parade in Green Bay would be?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I mean, I think it'd go down Home Gren Way
and right off a home grin you turn, you go,
you know, right where they ride the bikes to the stadium.
I think would be right in the same route you're
gonna see the NFL Draft.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
Oh right, they're hosting that too.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Good point.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, what about Tampa that was pretty good when they
had Tom Brady on the boat?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Oh God, white Boy wasted.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Oh Tampa Bay, Brady and Gronk. That was the perfect cocktail.
No pun intended? All right, most interesting free agent of
the NFL off season?
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Who you guys got DIBs on?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
There? I got DIBs on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I don't think there's air doubt about that. There might not,
That might be a distant number two.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Any other I think I think.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I think we know that the number two, it's another quarterback.
Speaker 7 (36:04):
No. I I got DIBs on t Higgins because I
want the Chargers Higgins. I'm very interested in T Higgins.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
From your lips to Joe Ortiz's ears. And by the way,
joshwed who had himself a great Super Bowl. He's a
pending free agent. You want to talk about boosting your value?
Speaker 6 (36:22):
All right?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
One same, you're not getting into this like.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
I don't have answers for all these I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
There's there's Sam Donald, There's uh, there's.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
What's his name?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
All right, I'll take Sam No.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I mean that was the quarterback of the of the
of the Steelers this year. There was a quarterback of
Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I didn't feel too passionate
about any of these, so that's okay.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Not passionate is different than it made. It seem like
you just didn't know what was coming.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
You're like, eh, well, speaking of passionate, let's close with
this one best thing to do for your loved one
on Valentine's Day?
Speaker 6 (37:00):
What you got DIBs on?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well, okay, this is the thing.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I mean, anybody who's ever been married or you know,
with a girlfriend, you have to get them flowers.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Yeah, true story. I was in the grocery store this morning.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
There were literally three dozen, three dozen desperate looking guys
in there looking for flowers.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
I mean, you gotta get people flowers, and like especially
the ones says no, no, I don't want flowers. Get that
her especially, they all say they don't want flowers. And
then do you really want to be the guy that
what do you get you? Why do you give me flowers?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
But you know what deal with that?
Speaker 7 (37:31):
I got DIBs on the twenty twenty five answer Focus
and Attention turned the phone off for the.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah, oh good, would you say I can't.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
I didn't hear. I was looking at my phone, wasn't
paying attention. I load you got something.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
No, I think Jason Stewart had the best one right there.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Oh, I mean all this body. How about all this body.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Coming up next to the doug out they showed live
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Speaker 2 (37:59):
How about Jimmy but or how's that work it out?
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all ascumeus Thursday.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's a Friday, A sorry Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Today's Friday?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yes, every day Friday? Every day? It is yes, everyday day?
Does feel like that happy Valentine's Day? A lesser sports
radio host would do, Hey, let's talk about what we
love about sports. Let me love about sports. We'll take
Cob Wells eight seven seven fat love something. But instead
(01:07):
we're going to talk kind of real sports talk. I
hope everybody had a great thing Valentine's morning. Right this
I feel like Valentine's Day. It's just one of those
days to where like, if you need Valentine's Day to
get you in the good graces of somebody you care about,
then you're probably not doing a good job of the
rest of the.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Three hundred and sixty four other days.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
But I mean, like, look, if it's an excuse to
take her out to dinner, to get her flowers, to
buy her something nice, yeah, why not? She should be
an inoffensive, innocuous holiday. All right, But I digress, I digress.
It is the Doug gottlieb Shaw on Fox Sports Radio.
I've been in this business now for twenty three years, right,
(01:53):
and I was at ESPN for nine years in Bristol, right,
And we used to have meetings and they would talk
about all our cart, all our cart television, Ali cart
television and ali cart television was remember back in the
days when everyone just had cable or DirecTV or dish,
(02:15):
it was you had bundles. So again, if you got ESPN,
you would get Fox, you would get Fox Sports one,
you would get all the sports channels in a bundle,
and a la cart was the idea that you could
go and go like I want this channel not this
channel and this channel and not that channel, and this
channel and not that shot. You know how some people
have this on their guides where you can pick your
(02:38):
favorite channels and then when you change channel, it only
changes to those favorite channels in the guide. I've used that,
by the way, It's great, and I was like, man,
I don't want to get stuck on c SPAN. Well,
don't make c spell on your favorites, especially if you
like watching sports on TNT and TNT is not in
the kind of sports classification. You put it down as
(02:59):
your favorite and that's what pops up in your guide.
That's the idea of olikart programming. When I was at ESPN,
this is going back.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
All the way back to two thousand and three. Are
starting there, and I remember in two thousand.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
And nine we'd have a meeting and they would say,
don't ever say the words a la carte, ola carte
viewing or ola carte channel selection ever out loud, because
that was seen as the downfall to ESPN. ESPN collects
billions of dollars per year from YouTube, TV Now and
(03:35):
all the cable companies and DirecTV and Thish Network. If
you want to carry our product for every sub subscriber,
you have to give us this small amount.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's how they make the money.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And in an effort to push back against that, we
had people pushing for a la carte, and then we
had these streaming services. And as we told you when
the streaming services started, Yes, I got to tell you,
there's more good shows available to anybody he watches TV
now than ever before. It's much like newspapers. No one
reads newspapers anymore, but people read every day. There's an article,
(04:10):
but your boy in the Athletic today, for example. The
Athletic is part of the New York Times. But have
you read the New York Times? Probably not? Have you
read the Athletic if you're a sports fan, probably A
la carte allows you to I don't want I just
want the things I want and nothing else. But streaming services.
They're not bundles, but they're a la carte. You get
(04:31):
all of the If you Disney, for example, now you
get all the Marvel, you know, the Star Wars, you
know the Disney stuff. So I believe it was earlier
today it was announced that YouTube tv would not carry CBS,
and CBS is the home for the NCAA tournament and
(04:53):
final four you get selection Sunday, and I believe this
year you get the final four. Last year was on TNT,
and I guess it's like, how are we supposed to
feel about this? The problem with the old carriage fight,
the problem if the old If you don't carry CBS,
you don't get CBS, you don't get Paramount, you don't
get Nickelodeon, you don't get all that.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That's their own kind of bundle.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
The problem with that is if you want to watch
the NCAA tournament, you can get it on your phone
on the March.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Madness app for free.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And if you like what you're watching on your phone,
you want to watch it at home, you can cast
it onto your TV. So I'm not sure you need
that anymore. I'm not sure you need it anymore. The
Doug got Leap Show broadcast live from the Tyraq dot
com studio, So here's some of the details here. YouTube
(05:44):
and Paramount Global are still haggering over a new distribution deal,
and they've reached a short term extension to let Internet
TV service continue carrying CBS and more than twenty other networks.
The companies are sparring over financial terms. With Paramount seeking
a rate hike. Their existing deal is supposed to expire
February thirteenth. That was last night on Thursday Evenings. Shortly
(06:05):
after the deadline passed. YouTube TV said on x we've
reached the short term extension to keep their content on
YouTube TV. Subscribers continue to have access to Paramount channels,
including CBS. We appreciate your patients. We continue to negotiate
on your behalf. Paramount rep confirmed the short term deal
and extension with YouTube. The point is that for years
(06:26):
ESPN would have these fights as well, cause it's like,
I don't know, seven dollars of subscriber and back when
they had one hundred million subscribers, that's seven billion dollars
before they ever sold an AD. Right now, with the
with the base kind of shrinking, with the subscribers numbers shrinking,
you're trying to get it from other places.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Just let me just peruse the guys.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Dan, do you have what is? What do you watch
at home? I'm sorry, I low, I low? You don't
you bootleg everybody's stuff?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Really, what do you have your.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
We are cord cutters, And to answer you specifically, I'll
be using exactly what you mentioned, and that's my wife's
access to the march madness at that you described, which
is how she consumed it last year. And while we're
talking about access, Jason, can you give me your pastord
to the athletics so I can read the feature story
about Doug?
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Thank you. Look, they did the article about you.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Do they give you free access to the article, assuming
you're not already a member?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Doug? No?
Speaker 5 (07:32):
No, they should at least give you a temporary link
so you can read your own feature article.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I'm just yeah, people tell me the article is interesting, Like,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'm just who has time.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
I'm just looking for the shout out for years Brian Hamilton.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Shout out to Brian Hamilton. He's hung out with us
for like two weeks. I'm sure he wrote a really
good article. I have not read it. Most people have
told me what it?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Can I do? The Trump is? Who does a Trump imitation?
Can somebody do the trum vitation?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
People are saying that it's the greatest article it's ever
been written, And I wish that's right, that I'm the
greatest coach that has ever been I wish I had
somebody do we have no one on staff that does
a Trump impression.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
No, but I can give you the lead. You want
the lead, sure, dateline, Green Bay, Wisconsin. Bear tree branches
don't quiet the wind, and the ice on the bay
is thick enough that the neighbors set up a hockey
rink offshore. And then later in the first paragraph there's
a Vince Lombardi reference. So I think it's off to
a good start.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Good poetic, poetic if nothing else. Jay Stu, what do
you watch? What's your streaming or cable network of company?
Speaker 7 (08:39):
Since the Since the Winner? Since December of twenty eighteen,
I've been a YouTube TV subscriber. I don't know anybody
in my circle or anyone I've run into that has
been a subscriber longer to YouTube TV than me. So
I'm a diehard. I'm one of the originals.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Sammy, what about you?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Are you asking what streaming service I use?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, I have had YouTube TV since about I think
it's been around since about twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. That's
when when I had a roommate and he had it,
and then I really liked it, so I started to
pick it up. And then I use other things like
you know, Amazon Prime and Peacock and all that. But yeah,
YouTube TV I've had for seven seven years now or so.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
His password is Hawkeye won by the.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Way, Yes, yes, Kaitlin Clark. Sure, heart emoji, heart emoji,
heart emoji, heart.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Emoji fitting on Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Okay, So I guess the question becomes like, if you
can't get the NCAA tournament, would you keep your YouTube TV?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I would yeah, because I use it for I had
like mini channels on it.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So what about you just two?
Speaker 7 (09:51):
Oh no doubt YouTube TV is superior, And I think
in this mix, CBS needs YouTube TV, which more than
the other way around.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, Like, look, the leverage part is that they also
have NFL games. They don't have the Super Bowl next
year that's NBC, but they have NFL games, and they
have they have red Zone, right, and then they have
the NCAA tournament. So I would agree with you in
terms of the NCAA tournament CBS, and I don't know
(10:26):
who else is on that platform, Like I don't think
Turner is on that platform because remember Turner actually owns
eighty percent of the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's on TNT, TBS and True TV.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And yes, the Final four and Selection Sunday are on CBS.
You'd miss those, but you could watch them. I guess
somewhere else I would agree with you. I think in
this particular case, this is one in which YouTube TV
is probably.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Going to hold firm. And my guess is that Paramount.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Now, Paramount does have some other things going for it, right,
It's got Landman had Yellowstone for a long time. There
are some other shows that people want to watch. But
I think it's just interesting that I've lived long enough
in this business to where people are complaining about, hey,
why don't we have Oli cart programming? Kind of goes
to Oli Cart programming, and now you're like, man, I
kind of wish we had the old cable bundles where
(11:15):
we just paid a price, got what we want. I
know these carriage deals have been ongoing the entire time,
but it does tell you that like even YouTube TV,
they basically have bundle deals with YouTube TV with the
Paramount people got the same thing with Peacock keep people
with NBC that the more things change, the more they
stay the same. And though it feels like it shouldn't
be a monopoly anymore. From the from the cable companies.
(11:38):
Now it's a monopoly from the TV companies. Whoever owns
the most inventory should be interesting.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
But just to clarify for the listeners here, yeah, CBS,
CBS Sports Network, b E T, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, MTV,
TV Land, CMT, and VH one would go away if
they are not to reach an extent the deal. Here.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Wait, TNT also in that deal.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
No, TNT is not a part of that deal.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
So who else is in the What else is part
of the deal?
Speaker 7 (12:10):
MTV, CMT, VH one, Comedy Central, Nickelodeon, b E T,
and CBS Sports Network.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Which of those which you like losing the least. I
think Comedy Central would probably be the one I'd like
losing the least, right, But that's about it. I'm not
sure that that's a strong standing there. I don't know
it's gonna be interesting. I'm fascinating those deals. I don't
know if the viewer or the listener is I really don't,
(12:40):
but I think it's interesting. Only in that four years
we were told, hey, cable companies, they're the worst. They
do the bundle programming, and then YouTube TV does the
exact same thing. They just do, only they did it
less expensively with it was in a less expensive fashion.
What's the sentence Jason helped me out. Give me the
get the bright way, the right way to speak with
(13:02):
the right.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Syllable, and the most cost effective.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yes, there you go, most cost effective.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
And by the way, YouTube tv has eight million subscribers.
It's the largest streaming subscriber base in the country.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Only eight million, correct, yep, wow.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Okay, but that's the biggest of that's the largest streaming.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Largest of the streaming. Right.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You still have people to have cable still. I don't
know what is is eighty to ninety million people still
have cable?
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Oh yeah, I think our own damn buyer still clings
to cable.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I don't mind cable what it comes with the internet.
It just again depends on which.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Cable it's cheaper if you do get cable with the internet,
because I have to buy my internet, which is already
expensive after a few years, and then pay for YouTube
TV on top of that. So it's not not the
deal of the cable bundle.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
It is not.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 1 (14:01):
Abby Valentine's Day to Doug Gottliebshell here at Fox Sports Radio,
Rick Buker in a moment, So, uh, Sam, I know
you watched USC UCLA's women I did.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I did not. Uh I was.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I was eyes deep in uh Northern Kentucky. Who we
play tonight?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
As you should be?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Well, yeah, everybody tells me that's what I'm supposed to
be doing it every hour.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Doug.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I don't want to see you cooking or eating or
sleeping like.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Everything you just watched film. You need to be.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Coaching and scheming for your next game.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
If I see a picture of you like chopping onions
on a on a cutting board, you're talking about cooking. Yeah, Like, Doug,
why are you eating? You should be game planning.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I should be game planning.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
You're right, man, you're every moment of every day.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Every moment of every day.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Uh okay, Uh, Jay Stude, did you watch any of
the UCLA USC women's game?
Speaker 7 (14:52):
No? No, but I've enjoyed everything since. In other words,
I watched the highlights, and then I have watch a
lot of the people that look down their nose at
you to tell you how good women's basketball is. Sure,
tell me that this was the apex of sports. This
(15:12):
competition last night proved that women's basketball is here to stay.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Uh okay, Ilo, did you watch any of the game?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Chord cutters so didn't have access to it, followed it
in real time on social media, including the highlights, and
then watched the complete highlights afterward. So unlike this passage
from your article where it says he leaves the thought
unfinished a minor miracle, I did not leave that thought unfinished.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Okay. I just I know why you're why you love it.
Jase too.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It's because everybody in the world likes being right. Is
that about it?
Speaker 7 (15:55):
I think it's to me, it's like this. I'm a
certain age and I put a lot of years in
the business. I like when things happen that confirm my instincts.
Like when my instincts are something and then it plays
out that way, then might it just proves.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
That my game is still or is that yeah?
Speaker 7 (16:15):
You gave it still fall.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
So your instincts were and I think our instincts were lying,
Which is as much as people wanted to make it
about women's basketball and.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
The rise of popularity.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
It was really this amazing Haley's comment named Caitlin Clark,
that continues to bring people to television sets and nothing
else has changed around it is that?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Is that your those your instincts.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Yes, and and and then that goes on on our radar,
you and me from a national sports perspective, and and
what what we need to be engaged with that nothing
has changed my radar.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Here's why, Okay, here's why.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Do you know where these instincts come from in general?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Or what do you mean your my instincts on sports?
Where do they come from? They come from?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
We've been doing this for a long time and we're
both from southern California. And in nineteen ninety three, I
was at Lake HAVISU and everybody came off the lake
to watch the LA Kings play in the Stanley Cup finals.
And I learned that apparently a stick can only be
curved so much like I had no idea, No one
(17:27):
in LA had any idea that the curvature of a
hockey stick could only be just so. Marty mcstory's stick
was too curved. I still don't know, you know, like
I do know that footballs are supposed to be inflated
to a certain level. Basketball, it's the same. I had
no idea about a hockey stick. It makes sense. My
point is that soccer has been the sport of the
(17:49):
future since we were kids. Hockey was everything in the
early nineties, and and now Caitlyn Clark were told has
made women's professional basketball, women's college basketball on par with
the men's game, because if you look at last year's ratings,
(18:09):
the women on some level outrated.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Of the men. Is that fair that sam?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Is that fair that we have Some have uttered that
as having data to support it, that the women's game
is equal to that of the men's college game, and
it's the WNBA is growing in leaps and bounds in popularity.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Are those fair? Sure?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Some have said that those things.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
The reality is that I don't think it's just your instincts.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Your instincts are on point. Your instincts are honed over
years and years of experience. Right, we had a women's
professional soccer league right after Brandy Chestain took off her
shirt at the Rose Bowl, and everybody's like women's pro soccer. Yes,
And people didn't watch women's pro soccer. They watched the
(18:58):
US women win the World Cup in LA, right, I
mean the hockey thing it was Wayne Gretzky came to LA.
The sport didn't grow that much in popularity. They left
their home markets, and now they're back in their home markets.
It's still very popular, in more of a niche scale.
And that's the same thing with the WNB, the same
(19:19):
thing with women's basketball.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
It's good, it's supported.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Don't move to domes, don't get out of yourself, and
just know it was more Caitlin Clark than anything else.
Some timing helped you. Caitlin being the same school for
four years helped you. But she is one of one
and it doesn't have to do with her being the
greatest ever. She's just the most popular ever.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
It's the Doug.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. It's coming to
you live from the Tirek dot Com studios. Let's catch
up with Rick Muker. Of course you see him on
FS one. He covers the NBA as well as all sports,
but he's been an NBA insider for years. Now that
the dust is settled, what do you think of the
Lakers with Luke in the MAVs?
Speaker 8 (20:01):
Would a d I don't know that my view necessarily
has changed, or that it is concrete in a way,
I feel as if, look, probably what we've learned the
most is how much it was owner driven by the
comments that have coming out can come out from the
(20:22):
Dallas Mavericks ownership. But that also fits in with the
fact that it's not a matter of what Luca has done.
It really was driven by the idea that they were
going to have to invest three hundred and forty five
million dollars in the next five years, and a guy
who was not available because of a calf injury that
(20:45):
he's had for the fourth time, that he was asked
to stay in some kind of state so that when
he did come back he'd be be effective and was
not willing to do that, and that they just box
that the number. Now for the Supermox Conference, Max contracts
are at a point where it used to be if
(21:07):
you had a superstar player, yeah, we're probably going to
over have to overpay or pay some exorbitant number, but
it was like, you just have to do it, you
have to do it. And now we've seen enough superstar
players who have conditioning issues that it it becomes a
(21:27):
questionable bet. And I can't help, but feel like the
well Joel Embiid and Zion Williamson haven't accomplished what Luca
has to this point in his career. They're looking forward
and saying, yeah, but what does it matter what he's
done if he's not able to do it going forward
and we're going to have this money invested in it.
So I feel like that is what drove that decision.
(21:50):
I think it's more clear than ever the bet that
that is the case. And you know, we've got two
games with the Lakers to to gauge who they are
going to be. I think everything that we expected was
was on display. Defensively, they're going to have issues. If
I was an opposing coach, I would be playing up
(22:12):
tempo and making Luca and Lebron play transition defense as
much as possible. The loss of Anthony Davis is going
to leave them very vulnerable defensively. In general, you're going
to have highlights, But I like I do I think
they're better? Do I think the Lakers are better right now?
(22:33):
I'm not sure that they are. I don't. I don't
think they're I think they've taken a step back, and
when fully healthy, I think the Dallas Mavericks have more
potential than I thought previously. Is it getting back to
the finals, I don't know, But in the short term
I like their mix, And ultimately we're going to decide
this by by one thing. Which team wins a championship sooner.
(22:59):
The Lakers have a long runway to do that. But
if the Dallas Mavericks win a championship or get back
to the finals in the next year or two, then
I'm going to say that it was a potentially successful trade,
depending on what Luca is in la. If Luca gets
as it continues to have issues and they can't build
(23:22):
a team that goes to the finals around him, then
I'm going to look at it as the Dallas Mavericks
made a very shrewd and thoughtful move.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Rick Biger joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's bounce around, like how
big an impact wuld Jimmy Butler have on the Warriors.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
Well, in terms of where they are, how far they go.
I think he's already had an impact as far as
the belief in the team that they can get something
done or that they're better than they than they were previously.
He brings a different gravitas for me to that team,
(24:06):
and he brings a guy, quite honestly, who hasn't won
a ring, And I think there's something there, and so, uh,
I still, let's put it this way. I think they're there.
I could see them even if it's to the play in.
I can see them making the playoffs, and I could
see them potentially winning around depending on what the matchup is.
(24:30):
I don't know that I had a very confident belief
that any of that was possible previously. So does he
make them title contenders? I don't. I don't believe that
that's I don't think. I don't think there was a
move to be made that would make them titles contenders.
Do I think that they are better than they were? Yes?
Speaker 7 (24:49):
I do.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Philadelphia's in this weird place right where so many people
are paying attention to the Lakers, the Warriors, the Nuggets,
A few people are paying attention to the Sixers.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
How messy are things really in Philly?
Speaker 8 (25:06):
Well, they're messy. I mean. The issue that I've had
from the very beginning was, and this is sort of
the Darryl Morey model, is that we're just going to
put stars together and it doesn't really matter, like how
those stars are integrated seemingly. Seemingly, I mean, you know,
(25:31):
you put Dwight Howard and James Harden together, Like, what
are the chances that that's going to work? From a
personality level and a personnel level. I just I watched
Tyrese Maxey and Paul George play and I'm like, those
guys have no chemistry. And then you have Joel embiid
(25:52):
in and out and I know what the record is
when all three of them are on the floor, But
you know this as a coach, like, I think it's
like six and one when all three of them have played.
That's well and good. That's a lot of talent to
put on the floor. But if you're an opponent, how
do you prepare seeing that threesome versus not seeing that threesome?
(26:14):
We're only seeing one of them. The preparation is completely different.
And then when you throw the three of them at you,
now you have some issues that doesn't necessarily reflect how
good they would be if you knew that you were
going to play all three of them and could prepare
for it. So I just I think it's I think
(26:34):
it's a bad it's a bad, expensive mix. And the
one thing that Daryl has been really good at is
it's been extricating himself out of bad combon, you know,
horrible expensive combinations. And I just look at this as
another one where he's going to have to work that
magic because I don't you know what, you could have
(26:57):
all three of those guys healthy, and I I'm not
feeling any more optimistic about what they're going to do.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Uh, Okay, then let's uh, we've got a couple more
of Rick Buker who joins us here. No one's talking
about the thunder. I feel like no one's and obviously,
you know my ties to Oklahoma's Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I know people in the organization. Yea, is it?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Is it because of what happened in the playoffs last year?
Is it because of the Luca thing? Is it what
no one's talking about Oklahoma City?
Speaker 8 (27:32):
Yeah? I do think that we we sort of take
them for granted. But then I think we're taking Nikolajkis
for granted this year too, And it is it's I
think some of it is that, Uh, there's nothing controversial
about the thunder. There's nothing, you know, shake guilty Alexander
(27:55):
is just a great player, but he's not He's not
out there saying things, doing things, putting it in people's faces.
They're they're a good fun team. They have a sort
of a collegiate aura about them and the way that
they play, and so there's nothing there that is controversial
(28:15):
that it's grabbing your attention. And then I do think
it is in part like they were so good last
year and then they got exposed in the in the postseason,
and so I think there's a there's a bit of
like wait and see. You know, yes, they're they're running
rampant through the regular season, but can they make that shift.
(28:40):
I think that adding Isaiah Hartenstein certainly helps them. I
do think that their offense is some simplistic and and
could cause them problems in the postseason. Again, as far
as being fairly easy to diagnose, Uh, but yeah, it's
(29:02):
I don't want to say that it's you know, most
people would say, well, it's Oklahoma City people just not
paying it, the fan base isn't big enough or whatever.
I don't think it's that. I think, you know what,
I think they're just they're too nice. They're too nice.
They're too controversy free, and that's just not what grabs
our attention in today's sports world.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Stell got the show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah. I mean, it's that whole element of it is
really really interesting. But I think probably the biggest part
is they haven't won yet in the playoffs, and once
you win in the playoffs, suddenly now you significant, you
significantly change how we view you. All Star Weekend, All
Star weekind we got these multiple team things. Yeah, no,
(29:47):
Caitlyn Clark involved. They keep trying to change different ways
to get these guys to play hard.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
What are your thoughts heading into All Star Weekend?
Speaker 8 (29:57):
Uh? You know, the big thing for me is and
I'm reminded of it being around it and having it
in the Bay Area is uh. And and fans by
and large, and anybody who's upset about the players not
playing hard it probably doesn't want to hear this, but
it has become such a corporate affair and it has
(30:19):
become there. There's there are so many things that the
players here are asked to do from minute to minute,
hour to hour that the game is an afterthought in
every for anybody who's directly involved in the NBA and
involved in this weekend, Like everybody's exhausted by the time
(30:44):
they get to Sunday, including the players. And so you
add that to what what am I getting out of this? Well,
it used to be like when you played in that game,
that was your stage and your platform. That was where
where you got to be associated with the All Stars.
Now Thursday, Friday, Saturday, in a multitude of ways is
(31:09):
how you are recognized as an All Star. The game
really isn't where you have that. It's not the biggest
platform that you're on anymore. So I think that that
is a big part of it. It's just become as
the league like this is the dirty secret and can
(31:29):
people won't bang on the NBA because of ratings or
attendance or any of those things. The NBA has found
that to be profitable, it wants to build as many
revenue streams as possible and those go and a lot
of those involved getting customers who will never attend the
(31:50):
game and some who will never watch an NBA game.
I was just in the technology summit and they were
talking about the guy from Apple was talking about fact
that he asked everybody in the room how many people
watch the last three minutes of the Rockets Warriors game,
and very few hands went up in the room, and
he goes, that's the problem, Like people are not actually
(32:15):
watching the games, and you had a room. This is
the NBA, This NBA All Star Weekend is the NBA Texas.
These are all people that are associated with the NBA.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Sure there there.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
The game has become secondary and the All Star weekend
is a perfect example of all the different places that
the NBA is putting its attention and it's not on
the court.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
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Speaker 2 (33:04):
Let's get to a game.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Okay, there is love. What do you got quote?
Speaker 5 (33:17):
It is impossible to spend any decent amount of time
in this orbit and conclude the head coach only kind
of cares he cares about everything, including this. I got DIBs.
All right, guys, best cities for a sports championship parade?
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Who you got DIBs on?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I got DIBs on La the arguably or in argument,
I hate championship parades.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I don't know if you know this. I don't want
to be Debbie Downer on your game.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
But the LA parade was the famous one where pat
Riley said we're going to three peat, and then he
trademarked the term threete.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
So anytime you.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Come up with a new term, that term is trademarked
and everybody uses it. All at a victory parade when
so many others are non memorable other than they were drunk,
I give you Los Angeles.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
I once had hundreds of Laker fans pour beer on
me at one of their championship parade. It's certainly memorable.
I'm shocked. The first out of the shoot wasn't New York, Philadelphia, Boston? Guys,
Oh god, please please please don't say to Moine. Please
don't say Des Moines.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I don't think they have any I don't There would
be no championship, there'd be no franchisees. Celebrating a championship
there at least I don't. Maybe the Des Moines Wolves,
who were like a farm.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Team Bulldogs we played them this year.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
A good team, Yeah they are that McCollum as twenty
some wins now, yeh, Drake, Yeah, be on the lookout.
I'll take you. I'll take dims on Philly. You know,
you go down in South Philly and you got some
of those, you know, two three story old brick buildings.
It's a nice backdrop. You can get a lot of people.
My sister and her family were oute there today for
the parade. Got a couple of good shots of the
big double decker buses passing by. So I'll take Philly.
(35:06):
It's got a nice esthetic.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Hey, Doug, I know you've only lived there a few months.
But if the Packers won the Super Bowl, where exactly
do you think the victory parade in Green Bay would be?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I mean, I think it'd go down Home Gren Way
and right off a home grin you turn, you go,
you know, right where they ride the bikes to the stadium.
I think would be right in the same route you're
gonna see the NFL Draft.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
Oh right, they're hosting that too.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Good point.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, what about Tampa that was pretty good when they
had Tom Brady on the boat?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Oh God, white Boy wasted.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Oh Tampa Bay, Brady and Gronk. That was the perfect cocktail.
No pun intended? All right, most interesting free agent of
the NFL off season?
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Who you guys got DIBs on?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
There? I got DIBs on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I don't think there's air doubt about that. There might not,
That might be a distant number two.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Any other I think I think.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I think we know that the number two, it's another quarterback.
Speaker 7 (36:04):
No. I I got DIBs on t Higgins because I
want the Chargers Higgins. I'm very interested in T Higgins.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
From your lips to Joe Ortiz's ears. And by the way,
joshwed who had himself a great Super Bowl. He's a
pending free agent. You want to talk about boosting your value?
Speaker 6 (36:22):
All right?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
One same, you're not getting into this like.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
I don't have answers for all these I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
There's there's Sam Donald, There's uh, there's.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
What's his name?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
All right, I'll take Sam No.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I mean that was the quarterback of the of the
of the Steelers this year. There was a quarterback of
Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I didn't feel too passionate
about any of these, so that's okay.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Not passionate is different than it made. It seem like
you just didn't know what was coming.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
You're like, eh, well, speaking of passionate, let's close with
this one best thing to do for your loved one
on Valentine's Day?
Speaker 6 (37:00):
What you got DIBs on?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well, okay, this is the thing.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I mean, anybody who's ever been married or you know,
with a girlfriend, you have to get them flowers.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Yeah, true story. I was in the grocery store this morning.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
There were literally three dozen, three dozen desperate looking guys
in there looking for flowers.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
I mean, you gotta get people flowers, and like especially
the ones says no, no, I don't want flowers. Get that
her especially, they all say they don't want flowers. And
then do you really want to be the guy that
what do you get you? Why do you give me flowers?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
But you know what deal with that?
Speaker 7 (37:31):
I got DIBs on the twenty twenty five answer Focus
and Attention turned the phone off for the.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah, oh good, would you say I can't.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
I didn't hear. I was looking at my phone, wasn't
paying attention. I load you got something.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
No, I think Jason Stewart had the best one right there.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Oh, I mean all this body. How about all this body.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Coming up next to the doug out they showed live
from the treg dot com studios.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
How about Jimmy but or how's that work it out?
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