February 14, 2025 • 45 mins
On a Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the negotiation betweeen YouTubeTV and CBS and how that has the potential to impact viewers who want to watch March Madness on their streaming service.
Doug talks about Golden State Warriors and weighs in on whether or not Jimmy Butler fits in well with his new team.
Doug and the crew discuss the JuJu Watkins USC team's win over UCLA. Doug welcomes FSR NBA Insider Ric Bucher to talk about the Luka Deal, the OKC Thunder and all of the headlines around the NBA.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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It's all excuse me, Thursday. It's a Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Alday? Sorry, Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Today's Friday?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, every day? Friday? Every day is yes? Everyday day?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Does feel like that happy Valentine's Day A lesser sports
radio host would do. Hey, let's talk about what we
love about sports. About sports, We'll take Kyle's eight seven
seven Fox You love something, but instead we're going to
talk kind of real sports talk. I hope everybody had
(01:11):
a great thing Valentine's Morning, right, this. I feel like
Valentine's Day, It's just one of those days to where like,
if you need Valentine's Day to get you in the
good graces of somebody you care about, then you're probably
not doing a good job.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Of the rest of the three hundred and sixty four
other days.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
But I mean, like, look, if it's an excuse to
take her out to dinner, to get her flowers, to
buy her something nice, yeah, why not? She should be
an inoffensive, innocuous holiday, all right, But I digress, I digress.
It is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
I've been in this business now for twenty three years, right,
(01:54):
And I was at ESPN for nine years in Bristol, right,
And we used to have meetings and they would talk
about all our cart, all our cart television, Ali cart
television and ali cart television was remember back in the
days when everyone just had cable or DirecTV or dish,
(02:16):
it was you had bundles. So again, if you got ESPN,
you would get Fox, you would get Fox Sports one,
you would get all the sports channels in a bundle.
And a La cart was the idea that you could
go and go like I want this channel, not this channel,
and this channel and not that channel, and this channel
and not that shot.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You know how some.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
People have this on their guides where you can pick
your favorite channels and then when you change channel, it
only changes to those favorite channels in the guide. I've
used that, by the way. It's great, and I was like, man,
I don't want to get stuck on c SPAN. Well,
don't make c spell in your favorites, especially if you
(02:55):
like watching sports on TNT and TNT is not in
the kind of sports classification. You put it down as
your favorites, and that's what pops up in your guide.
That's the idea of olicart programming. When I was at ESPN,
this is going back.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
All the way back to two thousand and three. Are
starting there, and I remember in two thousand.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
And nine we'd have a meeting and they would say,
don't ever say the words a la carte, ola carte
viewing or ola carte channel selection ever out loud, because
that was seen as the downfall to ESPN. ESPN collects
billions of dollars per year from YouTube, TV Now and
(03:37):
all the cable companies and DirecTV and Dish Network. If
you want to carry our product. For every sub subscriber,
you have to give us this small amount. That's how
they make the money. And in an effort to push
back against that, we had people pushing for a la carte,
and then we had these streaming services. And as we
told you when the streaming services started, yes, I got
(03:59):
to tell you, there's more good shows available to anybody
who watches TV now than ever before. It's much like newspapers.
No one reads newspapers anymore, but people read every day.
There's an article about your boy in the Athletic today.
For example. The Athletic is part of the New York Times.
But have you read the New York Times? Probably not?
(04:19):
Have you read the Athletic if you're a sports fan,
probably a la carte allows you to I don't want
I just want the things I want and nothing else.
But streaming services. They're not bundles, but they're a la carte.
You get all of the If you Disney, for example,
now you get all the Marvel, you know, the Star Wars,
you know the Disney stuff. So I believe it was
(04:43):
earlier today it was announced that YouTube tv would not
carry CBS, and CBS is the home for the NCAA
Tournament and final four you get selection Sunday, and I
believe this year you get the final four. Last year
was on TNT, and I guess it's like, how are
we supposed to feel about this? The problem with the
(05:06):
old carriage fight, the problem if the old If you
don't carry CBS, you don't get CBS, you don't get Paramount,
you don't get Nickelodeon, you don't get all that.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's their own kind of bundle.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
The problem with that is if you want to watch
the NCAA Tournament, you can get it on your phone
on the March Badness app for free.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And if you like what.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
You're watching on your phone, you want to watch it
at home, you can cast it onto your TV.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So I'm not sure you need that anymore. I'm not
sure you need it anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
The Doug gott Leaps show broadcast live from the Tyraq
dot com studio.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So here's some of the details here.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
YouTube and Paramount Global are still haggering over a new
distribution deal, and they've reached a short term extension to
let Internet TV service continue carrying CBS and more than
twenty other networks. The companies are sparring over financial terms
with Paramount seeking a rape hike. Their existing deal is
supposed to expire February thirteenth. That was last night on
(06:06):
Thursday evenings. Shortly after the deadline passed. YouTube TV said
on x we've reached the short term extension to keep
their content on YouTube TV subscribers continue to have access
to Paramount channels, including CBS. We appreciate your patients. We
continue to negotiate on your behalf. Paramount rep confirmed the
short term deal and extension with YouTube. The point is
(06:27):
that for years ESPN would have these fights as well,
be cause it's like, I don't know, seven dollars of
subscriber and back when they had one hundred million subscribers,
that's seven billion dollars before they ever sold an AD.
Right now, with the with the base kind of shrinking,
with the subscriber's numbers shrinking, you're trying to get it
from other places. Just let me just peruse the guys, Dan,
(06:53):
do you have what is? What do you watch at home?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I'm sorry, I low, I low? You don't you bootleg?
Everybody's out?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Really, what do you have in your house?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
We are cord cutters and to answer you specifically, I'll
be using exactly what you mentioned, and that's my wife's
access to the March madness at that you described, which
is how she consumed it last year. And while we're
talking about access, Jason, can you give me your pastord
to the athletics so I can read the feature story
about Doug?
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Look, they did the article about you. Do they give
you free access to the article, assuming you're not already
a member?
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Doug?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No?
Speaker 5 (07:33):
No, they should at least give you a temporary link
so you can read your own feature article.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I'm just yeah. People tell me the article is interesting, Like,
I don't know. I'm just who has time.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
I'm just looking for the shout out for years Brian Hamilton.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Shout out to Brian Hamilton. He's I hung out with
us for like two weeks. I'm sure he wrote a
really good article. I have not read it. Most people
have told me, what is it?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Can I do? The Trump is? Who does a Trump imitation?
Can somebody try invitation?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
People are saying that it's the greatest article it's ever
been written, and I wish that's right. That I'm the
greatest coach that has ever been I wish I had somebody.
Do we have no one on staff that does a
Trump impression?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
No?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
But I can give you the lead. You want the lead, sure, dateline,
Green Bay, Wisconsin. Bear tree branches don't quiet the wind,
and the ice on the bay is thick enough that
the neighbors set up a hockey rink offshore. And then
later in the first paragraph there's a Vince Lombardi reference.
So I think it's off to a good start.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Good poetic, poetic if nothing else. Jay stew what do
you watch? What's your streaming or cable network of company?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Since the Since the Winner? Since December of twenty eighteen,
I've been a YouTube TV subscriber. I don't know anybody
in my circle or anyone I've run into that has
been a subscriber longer to YouTube TV than me.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
So I'm a diehard. I'm one of the originals.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Sammy, what about you?
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Are you asking what streaming service I use?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:06):
Yeah, I have had YouTube TV since about I think
it's been around since about twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. That's
when when I had a roommate and he had it,
and then I really liked it, So I started to
pick it up and then I use other things like
you know, Amazon Prime and Peacock and all that. But yeah,
YouTube TV I've had for seven seven years now or so.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
His password is Hawkeye won.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
By the way, Yes, yes, Caitlin Clark. Sure, heart emoji,
heart emoji, heart emoji, heart.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Emoji fitting on Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Okay, So I guess the question becomes like, if you
can't get the NCAA tournament, would you keep your YouTube TV?
Speaker 6 (09:46):
I would, yeah, because I use it for I had
like mini channels on it.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
So what about you just too?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Oh, no doubt YouTube TV is superior. And I think
in this mix CBS knee needs YouTube TV much more
than the other way around.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, like, look, the leverage part is that they also
have NFL games. They don't have the Super Bowl next
year that's NBC, but they have NFL games and they
have they have red Zone, right, and then they have
the NCAA tournament. So I would agree with you in
terms of the NCAA tournament CBS, and I don't know
(10:27):
who else is on that platform, Like I don't think
Turner is on that platform because remember Turner actually owns
eighty percent of the NCAA Tournament. It's on TNT, TBS
and True TV, and yes, the Final four and Selection
Sunday are on CBS. You'd miss those, but you could
watch them. I guess somewhere else I would agree with you.
I think in this particular case, this is one in
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which YouTube TV is probably gonna hold firm. And my
guess is that Paramount. Now, Paramount does have some other
things going for it, right. It's got Landman had Yellowstone
for all long time. There are some other shows that
people want to watch. But I think it's just interesting
that I've lived long enough in this business to where
people are complaining about, hey, why don't we have Oli
(11:10):
cart programming? Kind of goes to Oli car programming and
now you're like, man, I kind of wish we had
the old cable bundles where we just paid a price
got what we want. I know these carriage deals have
been ongoing the entire time, but it does tell you
that like even YouTube TV, they basically have bundle deals
with YouTube TV with the Paramount. People had the same
thing with Got Keep people with with NBC that the
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more things change, the more they stay the same. And
though it feels like it shouldn't be a monopoly anymore
from the from the cable companies. Now it's a monopoly
from the TV companies. Whoever owns the most inventory.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Gonna be interesting.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
But just to clarify for the listeners here, Yeah, CBS,
CBS Sports Network, b E T, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, MTV,
TV Land, cmt N, A v H one would go
away if they are not to reach an extended deal.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Here wait, TNT also in that deal.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
No, TNT is not a part of that deal.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So who else is in the What else is part
of the deal?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
MTV, CMT, v H one, Comedy Central, Nickelodeon, b E T,
and CBS Sports Network.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Which of those which you like losing the least. I
think Comedy Central would probably be the one I'd like
losing the least, right, But that's about it. I'm not
sure that that's a strong standing there. I don't know
it's gonna be interesting. I'm fascinating those deals. I don't
know if the viewer or the listener is I really don't,
(12:41):
but I think it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Only in that.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Four years we were told, hey, cable companies, they're the worst.
They do the bundle programming and then YouTube TV does
the exact same thing they just do, only they did
it less expensively. With it was in a less expensive fashion.
What's the sentence, Jason, help me out, give me the gig,
the right way, the right way to speak with, the
right syllable, and.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
The most cost effective.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yes, there you go, most cost effective.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
And by the way, YouTube tv has eight million subscribers.
It's the largest streaming subscriber base in the country.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Only eight million, correct, yep, wow, okay.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
But that's the biggest of that's the largest streaming.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Largest of the streaming. Right. You still have people to
have cable still. I don't know what it is. Eighty
to ninety million people still have cable.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Oh yeah, I think our own damn buyer still clings
to cable.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I don't mind cable what it comes with the internet.
It just again depends on which.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Cable it's cheaper if you do get cable with the internet,
because I have to buy my internet, which is already
expensive after a few years, and then pay for YouTube
TV on top of that. So it's not not the
deal of the cable bundle.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
It is not.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
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It's interesting because so much has become about the Luca trade, right,
so much has become about the Luca trade, Anthony Davis
being hurt that you're like, hey, Jimmy Butler is not
Luka Doncik. He's not even Anthony Davis in terms of
being a top five, top ten NBA star. He did
take the Heat to the NBA Finals. He has been
(14:44):
a multi time All Star. He is a tremendous player,
and he was added to the Golden State Warriors. So
let's check in on Golden State. Here's Draymond Green talking
about Butler after the game last night.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
He's a franchise changer. He's done that everywhere he's gone,
and he is helping revitalize what we got here. The
belief amongst this team now that he's a r as
opposed to what it was before he got here. It's
night and day.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, so you know, look, he brings a certain swag,
he brings a certain confidence. Here's here's Steve Kerr on
the confidence that he brings.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
He's a real deal, you know, I mean, just a
complete basketball player. Methodical, you know, under control all the time,
plays at his own pace, never turns it, over sees
the game, and then can get to the line frequently.
So great closer, you know, not in the traditional sense
where he's gonna be Kevin Durant and make four straight
mid range jumper. It's more of a complete game. Get
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to the line, make the right pass, get somebody else
in open look, get a defensive stop at a Rebound's
fantastic player.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It's like Jimmy Butler doesn't work everywhere, but there's a
pretty good chance Jimmy Butler works in Golden State.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You're like why.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's like, well, you have to bring in somebody that
those guys respect, and they do. But also that Draymon.
Draymond can't punk him, right, He's a He's a better
version in some ways of the things that Draymond does.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Draymon's a tremendous player.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
He's not perfect. He's a tremendous player. But Draymond can.
He can be unsettling to.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Guys if he doesn't respect you, if.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
He gets to you know, Boston around you don't every
once in a while stand up for yourself. He brings
the toughness that Steph and the Warriors need. He brings experience.
He is a winner. He doesn't have to be the
go to score. I mean, the big thing for Jimmy
Butler is can he give you forty in a night? Maybe,
But he's at his best when he's your third best score.
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He's at his best when he gets to just play
and not truly lead by playing, not by saying.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
So.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I think there's a world where you look at the
Mavericks and you're like, they're really good defensively, and Anthony
Davis's healthy is an amazing player. He's a better two
way player than Luca, not a better offensive player in Luca.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
And for Luca man he's a superstar.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
But you add him to the Lakers, considering they didn't
get the trade for Williams done, they can't guard anybody,
and the MAVs still don't have a true point guard.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
There's a world there where you say, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Warriors might have had the best trade acquisition for this year.
I do think the Mavericks are better than they were previously.
I mean, obviously Luca wasn't playing, but I just they're
so much better defensively with Anthony Davis. I do think
they're better this year. I think the Lakers long term,
you have your next superstar, but the Warriors could have
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found the right fit for this season and may have
had the best reaction to that move. Best reaction to
that move. We're seeing videos of the of the victory parade.
Have any of you guys been to a victory parade?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Isaac? Have you been to victory parade?
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I actually covered one for work and it was exhausting
and my feet hurt and I almost got heat stroke,
And as I said, I got recognized by the one
person in town who recognized me, and then hundreds of
other compromised Laker fans decided to toss beer on me.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
So it was great.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, Ja, Stu, have you ever been to one? Did
you go to the Dodgers one this year?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Oh, no, I wouldn't be caught dead at one if
you were going. If Scott Shapiro were to pay me
to go down to cover a victory parade, I would
ask for double and then I still might not go.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Good luck finding parking by.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
The way too.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Okay, what about you, sam Anto Gunn.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Park eight miles away. No, I have not been too
a victory parade. When you're an Iowa Hawkeye football fan.
There's no victory parade for an Outback Bowl championship or
a Big Ten Men's Big Ten Tournament win.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
If you did win a national championship and there was
a parade, however, would tractors be involved.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Oh, definitely, completely glitzed out like the Rose bul parade
and a bunch of flowers attached to them, corn cobs,
you know, confetti or streamers, all that stuff. It would
be glorious.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I have so little desire to go to a victory like.
There's part of me that says, okay, the victory parade
is the chance for people who can't afford to buy
tickets to come see any of these games, to come
to the games. But the reality to it is like
you don't have anything else going on. During a weekday
(19:50):
that you're just gonna go to a victory. You're not
actually gonna see a game, You're just gonna watch other
The problem is, I don't I've never understood women or
girls in middle school, high schools, college watching dudes play
video games.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
That didn't happen when we were kids. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
No, when I was in college, you'd have some guys,
they'd have their girlfriends over. They're like sitting there while
you're there playing video games, Like what.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Are you doing?
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, I don't, but there are people. There are people
who watch others play video games, not me. And I
don't get the going to a sporting event where there's
no actual sporting event taking place. You're watching other people drink,
and I guess you can drink yourself, but what you're
celebrating your city, I don't know. Maybe it's different if
(20:36):
if it's the Chargers, because they've been through so much
and they've they've just let us down so many times.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Did the Chargers win a.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Super Bowl with Jim Harbar as their coach? Out there
you go, Jay stew how many years have we been?
Long suffering Charger fans? Chargers next year turn around win
a super Bowl. Okay, and let's say they're gonna have
victory prey, they're gonna do it in a hunting to
beach cool location. Would you go considering, you know, unsidering
how much Charger fans have been through.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
I wouldn't be caught dead there. If Scott Shapiro were
to pay me to go down to cover parade, you'd
have to pay me double and I still might not go.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Tell us how you really feel, I mean, it's just.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
A big it's a party, it's a it's a people
are definitely drinking.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's a party, but it's like a weirdest party ever.
You're watching parties and then you hear that and then
there's speeches and like does that.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Like Yeah, I was rally.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I wonder if the four of us feel that way
because we're quote unquote in the business.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
But I think, as Doug mentioned.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
It earlier, if you're a fan out there and you're
a diehard fan and you're priced out of getting tickets,
I think you might bring a different perspective to the issue.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Ah Loma Parade
not a feat.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I think that's the other part to it. I think
that's the other part to it. What I there's only
one part to parades that I do like. I like
the marching bands, and there's no marching bands at these things.
Like if you could bring in a marching band, especially
one from from either a gigantic school, you know, the
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Ohio States, the Michigan's, the the USC's, or an HBCU
which it's just better Florida A and M Southern.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
You pick it, then I would. I would. You'd have
at least a chance of getting me.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
There.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Sounds like you like homecoming parades, which are hard.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
No, I don't like homecoming praides. I don't like parades.
I've never been to the Rose Bowl parade.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Well that's what you were. That's where you have a
marching band, is in a homecoming.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Price and as a stealth bomber at the Rose parade.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Look said, I'm saying it's it's the only thing to
me that attracts me.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Is Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I do like a good marching band. I like a
really good band. Uh. But I don't like parades, And
I think I don't like parades. I don't like other
people celebrating some else's success when it's not their own.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
What about watching it on TV where you don't have
to go through the logistical Uh, I think hurdles.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Really, that's even worse.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, at least if you're there, you can drink and
feel like you're a part of something fun and you
can be kind of into it, like watching everybody else
have a good time.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
That that falls more in line with the watching your
friends play video games, which you know, I fell victim
to that many times in college, where I'd be like,
I go over my buddy's house. There's a bunch of
a bunch of guys live there, and I'm like, guys,
let's go shoot some hoops. Like there's a basketball court
a block away and they're like playing Halo and FIFA
World Cup and I'm like, this is the lamest stuff.
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But I just sat there and watched them do it,
wasting my own time. Yeah, I wanted some guys to
play basketball.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Watch and I can't watch people play video games. And
this comes what aways years of years?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
You're not, Sam.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I know you're older than you let on, but you're
not old enough to remember arcades?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Like?
Speaker 9 (24:00):
I know?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Absolutely? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
No, put a quarter above somebody else you're sitting there
watching them, and like my dad used to dominate Miss
pac Man, and like I don't even want to.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Watch you, Like I just to wait till you walk away.
And I at my quarter because my spot.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
We had like a place called tilt. We had Aladdin's Castle.
Arcades were a big thing when I was a little kid,
and I never watched people play video games. I just
went and try to win tickets and stuff. But that's
it's actually a business now on YouTube is like people
on Twitch and YouTube watching and streaming, watching people play
video games and donating to their like funds and stuff.
(24:34):
It's a whole culture thing.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Tragedy commentary on our society.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
You might not be wrong, Isaac, You might might not
be wrong.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Let's circle back to Jimmy Butler. This is Doug Gotlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. It's weird you have
two kind of terse personalities at times with Draymond and
Jimmy Butler. And what it's like, that's like, it's like
when the negative charges combined, they get a positive charge
of the right. Is that what it is? Is it
negative charges? Like we have magnets?
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Is the negative positive?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:07):
In life and in physics or chemistry, whatever it.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Is potentially here.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
The point is that life and sports is about fit,
and you kind of go through all these other teams
and you're like, yeah, I don't think that fits.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
But you go through the Warriors and what do they need?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
They need somebody opposite Steph who could score, but they
they don't need you to carry the team.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Steph does that.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
You have in drama and you have an elite, elite
passer but not capable of scoring to help the team.
And you can be a hardcore personality in terms of
work ethic and whatever, but it's not your team, so
it's not as you're not in a great position to
be that leader that turns everybody off. You could kind
of just be the uncle and do what you want
and live in your own kind of your own sort
(25:55):
of world.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, I kind of.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I mean, so far, so good. It's super early, but
it's on a long term play. I kind of like
Jimmy Butler with the I kind of like Jimmy Butler there.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I could be wrong.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
He looked out going from Miami and then he gets
to like live on another coast where there's nice, nice weather.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
San Francisco is not nice weather.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
I like it because I like rain, but also you know,
the sun will come out and warm me up. I
think the weather doesn't.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Come out and warm me up in San Have you
ever heard the expression the coldest summer? I remember the
shad summer in.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
San Francisco, sitting in the shade. No, I've been to
trust me. I like, I just like that weather.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I think I like San Francisco, but like trying to
sell me on San Francisco.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
It's definitely not Miami's you know, warmth and humidity, not
at all. It's it is, but it's also not going
to Fargo, North Dakota. No, I mean Minneapolis for that matter.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Rose Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
We got four and a half tonight and three and
a half inches tomorrow of snow, which, by the way,
I love a good snow.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Hey, the crops need Mountain, the Cross.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
We need to have a snowboath, snowball fight, snowball fight.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
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Speaker 1 (27:08):
Abby Valentine's Day Too, Doug Gottlieb Show here at Fox
Sports Radio, Rick Buker in a moment. So, uh, Sam,
I know you watched USC UCLA's women I did. I
did not, Uh I was. I was eyes deep in
uh Northern Kentucky. Who we play tonight?
Speaker 6 (27:26):
As you should be?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Well, yeah, everybody tells me that's what I'm supposed to
be doing it every hour, Doug.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
I don't want to see you cooking or eating or
sleeping like everything.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
You just watched film.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
You need to be coaching and scheming for your next game.
You can't if I see a picture of you like
chopping onions on a on a cutting board. Yeah, you're
talking about cooking. Yeah, Like, Doug, why are you eating?
You should be game planning.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I should be game planning. You're right, man, you're every
moment of every day, every moment of every day.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Uh okay, Uh Jay Stude, did you watch any of
the UCLA USC women's game?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
No?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
No, But I've enjoyed everything since. In other words, I
watched the highlights, and then I have watched a lot
of the people that look down their nose at you
to tell you how good women's basketball is. Sure, tell
me that this was the apex of sports. This competition
(28:20):
last night proved that women's basketball is here to stay.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Okay, Ilo, did you watch any of the game?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Chord cutters so didn't have access to it, followed it
in real time on social media, including the highlights, and
then watched the complete highlights afterward. So unlike this passage
from your article where it says he leaves the thought
unfinished a minor miracle, I did not leave that thought unfinished.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I just I know why you're why you love it,
Jays too, it's because everybody in the world likes being right.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Is that about it?
Speaker 4 (29:02):
I think it's to me, it's like this, I'm I'm
a certain age and I've put a lot of years
in the business. I like when things happen that confirm
my instincts. Like when my instincts are something and then
it plays out that way, then might it just proves.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
My game is still or is that yeah, game is
still show I haven't lost the fastball.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
So your instincts were and I think our instincts were lying.
Which is as much as people wanted to make it
about women's basketball and the rise of popularity, it was
really this amazing. Haley's comment named Caitlin Clark that continues
to bring people to television sets, and nothing else has
changed around it?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Is that? Is that your those your instincts?
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yes, and and then that goes on on our radar,
you and me from a national sports perspective, and and
what what we need to be engaged with that nothing
has changed.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
A here's radar, Here's why, Okay, here's why.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Do you know where these instincts come from in general?
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Or what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You're my instincts on sports? Where do they come from?
They come from? We've been doing this for a long
time and we're both from southern California. And in nineteen
ninety three, I was at Lake Havisu and everybody came
off the lake to watch the LA Kings play in
the Stanley Cup Finals. And I learned that apparently a
stick can only be curved so much like I had
(30:33):
no idea, No one in LA had any idea that
the curvature of a hockey stick could only be just so.
Marty mcstory's stick was too curved. I still don't know,
you know, like I do know that footballs are supposed
to be inflated to a certain level. Basketball it's the same.
I had no idea about a hockey stick. It makes sense.
(30:53):
My point is that soccer has been the sport of
the future since we were kids. Hockey was everything in
the early nineties, and now Caitlyn Clark were told has
made women's back professional basketball, women's college basketball on par
(31:13):
with the men's game, because if you look at last
year's ratings, the women on some level outrated the men.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Is that fair that sam? Is that fair that we
have Some have uttered that.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
As having data to support it, that the women's game
is equal to that of the men's college game, and
it's the WNBA is growing in leaps and bounds in popularity.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Are those fair?
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Sure? Some have said that those things.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
The reality is that I don't think it's just your instincts.
Your instincts are on point. Your instincts are honed over
years and years of experience. Right, we had a women's
professional soccer league right after Brandy Chestain took off her
shirt at the Rose Bowl, and everybody's like women's pro soccer. Yes,
(32:03):
And people didn't watch women's pro soccer. They watched the
US women win the World Cup in LA Right, I
mean the hockey thing it was.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Wayne Gretzky came to LA. The sport didn't.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Grow that much in popularity. They left their home markets,
and now they're back in their home markets. It's still
very popular in more of a niche scale. And that's
the same thing with the WNB, the same thing with
women's basketball. It's good, it's supported. Don't move to domes,
don't get out of yourself, and just know it was
more Caitlin Clark than anything else. Some timing helped you.
(32:37):
Kaitlyn be at the same school for four years helped you.
But she is one of one, and it doesn't have
to do with her being the greatest ever.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
She's just the most popular ever.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
It's coming to you life from the tyreq dot com studios.
Let's catch up with Rick Muker. Of course you see
him on FS one. He covers the NBA as well
as all sports, but he's been an NBA inside of
for years. Now that the dust has settled, what do
you think of the Lakers with Luca and the MAVs
(33:08):
with Ad.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I don't know that my view necessarily has changed or
that it is concrete in a way. I feel as
if look probably what we've learned the most is how
much it was owner driven by the comments that have
come out can come out from the Dallas Mavericks ownership,
(33:31):
But that also fits in with the fact that it's
not a matter of what Luca has done. It really
was driven by the idea that they were going to
have to invest three hundred and forty five million dollars
in the next five years in a guy who was
not available because of a calf injury that he's had
(33:53):
for the fourth time, that he was asked to stay
in some kind of state so that when he did
come back he'd be be effective and was not willing
to do that, and that they just bosked that. The
number now for the Supermax con Max contracts are at
a point where it used to be if you had
(34:14):
a superstar player, yeah, we're probably going to over have
to overpay or pay some exorbitant number, but it was like,
you just have to do it, you have to do it.
And now we've seen enough superstar players who have conditioning
issues that it becomes a questionable bet. And I can't
(34:36):
help but feel like the well Joel Embiid and Zion
Williamson haven't accomplished what Luca has to this point in
his career. They're looking forward and saying, yeah, but what
does it matter what he's done if he's not able
to do it going forward, and we're going to have
this money invested in. So I feel like that is
(34:57):
what drove that decision. I think it's more clear than
that that is the case. And uh, you know, we've
got two games with the Lakers to gauge who they
are going to be. I think everything that we expected
was was on display. Defensively, they're going to have issues.
If I was an opposing coach, I would be playing
(35:19):
up tempo and making Luca and Lebron played transition defense
as much as possible. The loss of Anthony Davis is
going to leave them very vulnerable defensively. In general, you're
going to have highlights, But I like I do I
think they're better? Do I think the Lakers are better
right now? I'm not sure that they are. I don't.
(35:42):
I don't think they're I think they've taken a step back,
and when fully healthy, I think the Dallas Mavericks have
more potential than I thought previously. Is it getting back
to the finals. I don't know. But in the short term,
I like their mix, and ultimately we're going to decide
this by by one thing. Which team wins a championship sooner.
(36:06):
The Lakers have a longer runway to do that. But
if the Dallas Mavericks win a championship or get back
to the finals in the next year or two, then
I'm going to say that it was a potentially successful
trade depending on what Luca is in la. If Luca
gets as it continues to have issues and they can't
(36:29):
build a team that goes to the finals around him,
then I'm going to look at it as the Dallas
Mavericks made a very shrewd and thoughtful move.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Rick Bicker joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's bounce on how big
an impact would Jimmy Butler have on the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Uh, Well, in terms of where they are, how far
they go. I think he's already had an impact as
far as the belief in the team that they can
get something done or that they're better than they than
they were previously. He brings a different gravitas for me
(37:13):
to that team, and he brings a guy quite honestly,
who hasn't won a ring, And I think there's something there,
and so I still, let's put it this way. I
think they're there. I could see them, even if it's
to the play in. I can see them making the playoffs,
and I could see them potentially winning around depending on
(37:35):
what the matchup is. I don't know that I had
a very confident belief that any of that was possible previously.
So does he make them title contenders? I don't. I
don't believe that that's I don't think. I don't think
there was a move to be made that would make
them titles contenders. Do I think that they are better
(37:56):
than they were?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yes? I do.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Up he is in this weird place right where so
many people are paying attention to the Lakers, the Warriors,
the Nuggets, A few people are paying attention to the Sixers.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
How messy are things really in Philly?
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Well, they're messy.
Speaker 7 (38:16):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
The issue that I've had from the very beginning was,
and this is sort of the Darryl Morey model, is
that we're just going to put stars together and it
doesn't really matter like how those stars are integrated seemingly
seemingly I mean you know, you put Dwight Howard and
(38:40):
James Harden together, Like, what are the chances that that's
going to work from a personality level and a personnel level.
I just I watched Tyrese Maxie and Paul George play
and I'm like, those guys have no chemistry. And then
you have Joel Embiid in an out and I know
(39:00):
what the record is when all three of them are
on the floor, but you know this as a coach, like,
I think it's like six and one when all three
of them have played. That's well and good. That's a
lot of talent to put on the floor. But if
you're an opponent, how do you prepare seeing that threesome
versus not seeing that threesome? We're only seeing one of them.
(39:24):
The preparation is completely different. And then when you throw
the three of them at you, now you have some
issues that doesn't necessarily reflect how good they would be
if you knew that you were going to play all
three of them and could prepare for it. So I
just I think it's I think it's a bad it's
a bad expensive mix. And the one thing that Darryl
(39:50):
has been really good at is it's been extricating himself
out of bad combon, you know, horrible expensive combination, and
I just look at this is another one where he's
going to have to work that magic because I I don't,
you know what, you could have all three of those
guys healthy, and I'm not feeling any more optimistic about
(40:10):
what they're going to do.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Uh, Okay, then let's uh, we've got a couple more
of Rick Buker who joins us here. No one's talking
about the Thunder. I feel like no one's and obviously
you know my ties to Oklahoma's Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
I know people in the organization. Yeah, is it?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Is it because of what happened in the playoffs last year?
Is it because of the Luca thing?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Is it? What what no one's talking about Olahoma City?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah? I do think that we we sort of take
them for granted. But then I think we're taking Nikola
Jokis for granted this year too, And it is it's
I think some of it is that, Uh, there's nothing
controversial about the Thunder. There's nothing, you know, shake guilty.
(41:02):
Alexander is just a great player, but he's not he's
not out there saying things, doing things putting it in
people's faces. They're they're a good fun team. They have
a sort of a collegiate aura about them and the
way that they play, and so there's nothing there that
is controversial that it's grabbing your attention. And then I
(41:25):
do think it is in part like they were so
good last year and then they got exposed in the
in the postseason, and so I think there's a there's
a bit of like wait and see. You know, yes,
they're they're running rampant through the regular season, but can
(41:46):
they make that shift. I think that adding Isaiah Hartenstein
certainly helps them. I do think that their offense is
some simplistic and and could cause them problems in the postseason. Again,
as far as being fairly easy to diagnose, Uh, but yeah,
(42:08):
it's I don't want to say that it's you know,
most people would say, well, it's Oklahoma City people just
not paying it, the fan base isn't big enough or whatever.
I don't think it's that. I think, you know what,
I think they're just they're too nice. They're too nice,
they're too controversy free, and that's just not what grabs
our attention in today's sports.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Wool Steck got the show here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I mean, it's that whole element of it is really
really interesting. But I think probably the biggest part is
they haven't won yet in the playoffs, and once you
win the playoffs, suddenly now you significant, you significantly change
how we view you.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
All Star Weekend, All Star we gain.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
We got these multiple team things. Yeah, no, Caitlin Clark involved.
They keep trying to change different ways to get these
guys to play.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
What are your thoughts heading into All Star Weekend?
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Uh? You know, the big thing for me is and
and I'm reminded of it being around it and having
it in the Bay Area is uh. And and fans
by and large and anybody who's upset about the players
not playing hard it probably doesn't want to hear this,
but it has become such a corporate affair and it
(43:27):
has become there. There's there are so many things that
the players here are asked to do from minute to minute,
hour to hour, that the game is an afterthought in
every for anybody who's directly involved in the NBA and
involved in this weekend, Like everybody's exhausted by the time
(43:51):
they get to Sunday, including the players, and so you
add that to what what am I getting out of this? Well,
it used to be like when you played in that game,
that was your stage and your platform, that was where
you got to be associated with the All Stars. Now Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
(44:14):
in a multitude of ways is how you are recognized
as an All Star. The game really isn't where you
have that. It's not the biggest platform that you're on anymore.
So I think that that is a big part of it.
It's just become as the league. Look, this is the
(44:36):
dirty secret and can people won't bang on the NBA
because of ratings or attendance or any of those things.
The NBA has found that to be profitable, it wants
to build as many revenue streams as possible and those
go and a lot of those involved getting customers who
(44:56):
will never attend the game and some who will never
watch an NBA game. I was just in the technology
summit and they were talking about the guy from Apple
was talking about the fact that he asked everybody in
the room how many people watch the last three minutes
of the Rockets Warriors game? And very few hands went
(45:16):
up in the room. And he goes that's the problem,
Like people are not actually watching the games, and you
had a room, this is the NBA, This NBA All
Star Weekend is NBA Texas. These are all people that
are associated with the NBA. Sure there there. The game
has become secondary, and the All Star Weekend is a
(45:40):
perfect example of all the different places that the NBA
is putting its attention and it's not on the court.
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It's all excuse me, Thursday. It's a Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Alday? Sorry, Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Today's Friday?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, every day? Friday? Every day is yes? Everyday day?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Does feel like that happy Valentine's Day A lesser sports
radio host would do. Hey, let's talk about what we
love about sports. About sports, We'll take Kyle's eight seven
seven Fox You love something, but instead we're going to
talk kind of real sports talk. I hope everybody had
(01:11):
a great thing Valentine's Morning, right, this. I feel like
Valentine's Day, It's just one of those days to where like,
if you need Valentine's Day to get you in the
good graces of somebody you care about, then you're probably
not doing a good job.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Of the rest of the three hundred and sixty four
other days.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
But I mean, like, look, if it's an excuse to
take her out to dinner, to get her flowers, to
buy her something nice, yeah, why not? She should be
an inoffensive, innocuous holiday, all right, But I digress, I digress.
It is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
I've been in this business now for twenty three years, right,
(01:54):
And I was at ESPN for nine years in Bristol, right,
And we used to have meetings and they would talk
about all our cart, all our cart television, Ali cart
television and ali cart television was remember back in the
days when everyone just had cable or DirecTV or dish,
(02:16):
it was you had bundles. So again, if you got ESPN,
you would get Fox, you would get Fox Sports one,
you would get all the sports channels in a bundle.
And a La cart was the idea that you could
go and go like I want this channel, not this channel,
and this channel and not that channel, and this channel
and not that shot.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You know how some.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
People have this on their guides where you can pick
your favorite channels and then when you change channel, it
only changes to those favorite channels in the guide. I've
used that, by the way. It's great, and I was like, man,
I don't want to get stuck on c SPAN. Well,
don't make c spell in your favorites, especially if you
(02:55):
like watching sports on TNT and TNT is not in
the kind of sports classification. You put it down as
your favorites, and that's what pops up in your guide.
That's the idea of olicart programming. When I was at ESPN,
this is going back.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
All the way back to two thousand and three. Are
starting there, and I remember in two thousand.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
And nine we'd have a meeting and they would say,
don't ever say the words a la carte, ola carte
viewing or ola carte channel selection ever out loud, because
that was seen as the downfall to ESPN. ESPN collects
billions of dollars per year from YouTube, TV Now and
(03:37):
all the cable companies and DirecTV and Dish Network. If
you want to carry our product. For every sub subscriber,
you have to give us this small amount. That's how
they make the money. And in an effort to push
back against that, we had people pushing for a la carte,
and then we had these streaming services. And as we
told you when the streaming services started, yes, I got
(03:59):
to tell you, there's more good shows available to anybody
who watches TV now than ever before. It's much like newspapers.
No one reads newspapers anymore, but people read every day.
There's an article about your boy in the Athletic today.
For example. The Athletic is part of the New York Times.
But have you read the New York Times? Probably not?
(04:19):
Have you read the Athletic if you're a sports fan,
probably a la carte allows you to I don't want
I just want the things I want and nothing else.
But streaming services. They're not bundles, but they're a la carte.
You get all of the If you Disney, for example,
now you get all the Marvel, you know, the Star Wars,
you know the Disney stuff. So I believe it was
(04:43):
earlier today it was announced that YouTube tv would not
carry CBS, and CBS is the home for the NCAA
Tournament and final four you get selection Sunday, and I
believe this year you get the final four. Last year
was on TNT, and I guess it's like, how are
we supposed to feel about this? The problem with the
(05:06):
old carriage fight, the problem if the old If you
don't carry CBS, you don't get CBS, you don't get Paramount,
you don't get Nickelodeon, you don't get all that.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's their own kind of bundle.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
The problem with that is if you want to watch
the NCAA Tournament, you can get it on your phone
on the March Badness app for free.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And if you like what.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
You're watching on your phone, you want to watch it
at home, you can cast it onto your TV.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So I'm not sure you need that anymore. I'm not
sure you need it anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
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short term deal and extension with YouTube. The point is
(06:27):
that for years ESPN would have these fights as well,
be cause it's like, I don't know, seven dollars of
subscriber and back when they had one hundred million subscribers,
that's seven billion dollars before they ever sold an AD.
Right now, with the with the base kind of shrinking,
with the subscriber's numbers shrinking, you're trying to get it
from other places. Just let me just peruse the guys, Dan,
(06:53):
do you have what is? What do you watch at home?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I'm sorry, I low, I low? You don't you bootleg?
Everybody's out?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Really, what do you have in your house?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
We are cord cutters and to answer you specifically, I'll
be using exactly what you mentioned, and that's my wife's
access to the March madness at that you described, which
is how she consumed it last year. And while we're
talking about access, Jason, can you give me your pastord
to the athletics so I can read the feature story
about Doug?
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Look, they did the article about you. Do they give
you free access to the article, assuming you're not already
a member?
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Doug?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No?
Speaker 5 (07:33):
No, they should at least give you a temporary link
so you can read your own feature article.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I'm just yeah. People tell me the article is interesting, Like,
I don't know. I'm just who has time.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
I'm just looking for the shout out for years Brian Hamilton.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Shout out to Brian Hamilton. He's I hung out with
us for like two weeks. I'm sure he wrote a
really good article. I have not read it. Most people
have told me, what is it?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Can I do? The Trump is? Who does a Trump imitation?
Can somebody try invitation?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
People are saying that it's the greatest article it's ever
been written, and I wish that's right. That I'm the
greatest coach that has ever been I wish I had somebody.
Do we have no one on staff that does a
Trump impression?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
No?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
But I can give you the lead. You want the lead, sure, dateline,
Green Bay, Wisconsin. Bear tree branches don't quiet the wind,
and the ice on the bay is thick enough that
the neighbors set up a hockey rink offshore. And then
later in the first paragraph there's a Vince Lombardi reference.
So I think it's off to a good start.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Good poetic, poetic if nothing else. Jay stew what do
you watch? What's your streaming or cable network of company?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Since the Since the Winner? Since December of twenty eighteen,
I've been a YouTube TV subscriber. I don't know anybody
in my circle or anyone I've run into that has
been a subscriber longer to YouTube TV than me.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
So I'm a diehard. I'm one of the originals.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Sammy, what about you?
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Are you asking what streaming service I use?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:06):
Yeah, I have had YouTube TV since about I think
it's been around since about twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. That's
when when I had a roommate and he had it,
and then I really liked it, So I started to
pick it up and then I use other things like
you know, Amazon Prime and Peacock and all that. But yeah,
YouTube TV I've had for seven seven years now or so.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
His password is Hawkeye won.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
By the way, Yes, yes, Caitlin Clark. Sure, heart emoji,
heart emoji, heart emoji, heart.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Emoji fitting on Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Okay, So I guess the question becomes like, if you
can't get the NCAA tournament, would you keep your YouTube TV?
Speaker 6 (09:46):
I would, yeah, because I use it for I had
like mini channels on it.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
So what about you just too?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Oh, no doubt YouTube TV is superior. And I think
in this mix CBS knee needs YouTube TV much more
than the other way around.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, like, look, the leverage part is that they also
have NFL games. They don't have the Super Bowl next
year that's NBC, but they have NFL games and they
have they have red Zone, right, and then they have
the NCAA tournament. So I would agree with you in
terms of the NCAA tournament CBS, and I don't know
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who else is on that platform, Like I don't think
Turner is on that platform because remember Turner actually owns
eighty percent of the NCAA Tournament. It's on TNT, TBS
and True TV, and yes, the Final four and Selection
Sunday are on CBS. You'd miss those, but you could
watch them. I guess somewhere else I would agree with you.
I think in this particular case, this is one in
(10:49):
which YouTube TV is probably gonna hold firm. And my
guess is that Paramount. Now, Paramount does have some other
things going for it, right. It's got Landman had Yellowstone
for all long time. There are some other shows that
people want to watch. But I think it's just interesting
that I've lived long enough in this business to where
people are complaining about, hey, why don't we have Oli
(11:10):
cart programming? Kind of goes to Oli car programming and
now you're like, man, I kind of wish we had
the old cable bundles where we just paid a price
got what we want. I know these carriage deals have
been ongoing the entire time, but it does tell you
that like even YouTube TV, they basically have bundle deals
with YouTube TV with the Paramount. People had the same
thing with Got Keep people with with NBC that the
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more things change, the more they stay the same. And
though it feels like it shouldn't be a monopoly anymore
from the from the cable companies. Now it's a monopoly
from the TV companies. Whoever owns the most inventory.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Gonna be interesting.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
But just to clarify for the listeners here, Yeah, CBS,
CBS Sports Network, b E T, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, MTV,
TV Land, cmt N, A v H one would go
away if they are not to reach an extended deal.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Here wait, TNT also in that deal.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
No, TNT is not a part of that deal.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So who else is in the What else is part
of the deal?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
MTV, CMT, v H one, Comedy Central, Nickelodeon, b E T,
and CBS Sports Network.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Which of those which you like losing the least. I
think Comedy Central would probably be the one I'd like
losing the least, right, But that's about it. I'm not
sure that that's a strong standing there. I don't know
it's gonna be interesting. I'm fascinating those deals. I don't
know if the viewer or the listener is I really don't,
(12:41):
but I think it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Only in that.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Four years we were told, hey, cable companies, they're the worst.
They do the bundle programming and then YouTube TV does
the exact same thing they just do, only they did
it less expensively. With it was in a less expensive fashion.
What's the sentence, Jason, help me out, give me the gig,
the right way, the right way to speak with, the
right syllable, and.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
The most cost effective.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yes, there you go, most cost effective.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
And by the way, YouTube tv has eight million subscribers.
It's the largest streaming subscriber base in the country.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Only eight million, correct, yep, wow, okay.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
But that's the biggest of that's the largest streaming.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Largest of the streaming. Right. You still have people to
have cable still. I don't know what it is. Eighty
to ninety million people still have cable.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Oh yeah, I think our own damn buyer still clings
to cable.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I don't mind cable what it comes with the internet.
It just again depends on which.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Cable it's cheaper if you do get cable with the internet,
because I have to buy my internet, which is already
expensive after a few years, and then pay for YouTube
TV on top of that. So it's not not the
deal of the cable bundle.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
It is not.
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It's interesting because so much has become about the Luca trade, right,
so much has become about the Luca trade, Anthony Davis
being hurt that you're like, hey, Jimmy Butler is not
Luka Doncik. He's not even Anthony Davis in terms of
being a top five, top ten NBA star. He did
take the Heat to the NBA Finals. He has been
(14:44):
a multi time All Star. He is a tremendous player,
and he was added to the Golden State Warriors. So
let's check in on Golden State. Here's Draymond Green talking
about Butler after the game last night.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
He's a franchise changer. He's done that everywhere he's gone,
and he is helping revitalize what we got here. The
belief amongst this team now that he's a r as
opposed to what it was before he got here. It's
night and day.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, so you know, look, he brings a certain swag,
he brings a certain confidence. Here's here's Steve Kerr on
the confidence that he brings.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
He's a real deal, you know, I mean, just a
complete basketball player. Methodical, you know, under control all the time,
plays at his own pace, never turns it, over sees
the game, and then can get to the line frequently.
So great closer, you know, not in the traditional sense
where he's gonna be Kevin Durant and make four straight
mid range jumper. It's more of a complete game. Get
(15:48):
to the line, make the right pass, get somebody else
in open look, get a defensive stop at a Rebound's
fantastic player.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It's like Jimmy Butler doesn't work everywhere, but there's a
pretty good chance Jimmy Butler works in Golden State.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You're like why.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's like, well, you have to bring in somebody that
those guys respect, and they do. But also that Draymon.
Draymond can't punk him, right, He's a He's a better
version in some ways of the things that Draymond does.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Draymon's a tremendous player.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
He's not perfect. He's a tremendous player. But Draymond can.
He can be unsettling to.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Guys if he doesn't respect you, if.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
He gets to you know, Boston around you don't every
once in a while stand up for yourself. He brings
the toughness that Steph and the Warriors need. He brings experience.
He is a winner. He doesn't have to be the
go to score. I mean, the big thing for Jimmy
Butler is can he give you forty in a night? Maybe,
But he's at his best when he's your third best score.
(16:59):
He's at his best when he gets to just play
and not truly lead by playing, not by saying.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
So.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I think there's a world where you look at the
Mavericks and you're like, they're really good defensively, and Anthony
Davis's healthy is an amazing player. He's a better two
way player than Luca, not a better offensive player in Luca.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
And for Luca man he's a superstar.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
But you add him to the Lakers, considering they didn't
get the trade for Williams done, they can't guard anybody,
and the MAVs still don't have a true point guard.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
There's a world there where you say, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Warriors might have had the best trade acquisition for this year.
I do think the Mavericks are better than they were previously.
I mean, obviously Luca wasn't playing, but I just they're
so much better defensively with Anthony Davis. I do think
they're better this year. I think the Lakers long term,
you have your next superstar, but the Warriors could have
(17:56):
found the right fit for this season and may have
had the best reaction to that move. Best reaction to
that move. We're seeing videos of the of the victory parade.
Have any of you guys been to a victory parade?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Isaac? Have you been to victory parade?
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I actually covered one for work and it was exhausting
and my feet hurt and I almost got heat stroke,
And as I said, I got recognized by the one
person in town who recognized me, and then hundreds of
other compromised Laker fans decided to toss beer on me.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
So it was great.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, Ja, Stu, have you ever been to one? Did
you go to the Dodgers one this year?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Oh, no, I wouldn't be caught dead at one if
you were going. If Scott Shapiro were to pay me
to go down to cover a victory parade, I would
ask for double and then I still might not go.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Good luck finding parking by.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
The way too.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Okay, what about you, sam Anto Gunn.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Park eight miles away. No, I have not been too
a victory parade. When you're an Iowa Hawkeye football fan.
There's no victory parade for an Outback Bowl championship or
a Big Ten Men's Big Ten Tournament win.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
If you did win a national championship and there was
a parade, however, would tractors be involved.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Oh, definitely, completely glitzed out like the Rose bul parade
and a bunch of flowers attached to them, corn cobs,
you know, confetti or streamers, all that stuff. It would
be glorious.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I have so little desire to go to a victory like.
There's part of me that says, okay, the victory parade
is the chance for people who can't afford to buy
tickets to come see any of these games, to come
to the games. But the reality to it is like
you don't have anything else going on. During a weekday
(19:50):
that you're just gonna go to a victory. You're not
actually gonna see a game, You're just gonna watch other
The problem is, I don't I've never understood women or
girls in middle school, high schools, college watching dudes play
video games.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
That didn't happen when we were kids. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
No, when I was in college, you'd have some guys,
they'd have their girlfriends over. They're like sitting there while
you're there playing video games, Like what.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Are you doing?
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, I don't, but there are people. There are people
who watch others play video games, not me. And I
don't get the going to a sporting event where there's
no actual sporting event taking place. You're watching other people drink,
and I guess you can drink yourself, but what you're
celebrating your city, I don't know. Maybe it's different if
(20:36):
if it's the Chargers, because they've been through so much
and they've they've just let us down so many times.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Did the Chargers win a.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Super Bowl with Jim Harbar as their coach? Out there
you go, Jay stew how many years have we been?
Long suffering Charger fans? Chargers next year turn around win
a super Bowl. Okay, and let's say they're gonna have
victory prey, they're gonna do it in a hunting to
beach cool location. Would you go considering, you know, unsidering
how much Charger fans have been through.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
I wouldn't be caught dead there. If Scott Shapiro were
to pay me to go down to cover parade, you'd
have to pay me double and I still might not go.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Tell us how you really feel, I mean, it's just.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
A big it's a party, it's a it's a people
are definitely drinking.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's a party, but it's like a weirdest party ever.
You're watching parties and then you hear that and then
there's speeches and like does that.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Like Yeah, I was rally.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I wonder if the four of us feel that way
because we're quote unquote in the business.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
But I think, as Doug mentioned.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
It earlier, if you're a fan out there and you're
a diehard fan and you're priced out of getting tickets,
I think you might bring a different perspective to the issue.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Ah Loma Parade
not a feat.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I think that's the other part to it. I think
that's the other part to it. What I there's only
one part to parades that I do like. I like
the marching bands, and there's no marching bands at these things.
Like if you could bring in a marching band, especially
one from from either a gigantic school, you know, the
(22:18):
Ohio States, the Michigan's, the the USC's, or an HBCU
which it's just better Florida A and M Southern.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
You pick it, then I would. I would. You'd have
at least a chance of getting me.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
There.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Sounds like you like homecoming parades, which are hard.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
No, I don't like homecoming praides. I don't like parades.
I've never been to the Rose Bowl parade.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Well that's what you were. That's where you have a
marching band, is in a homecoming.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Price and as a stealth bomber at the Rose parade.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Look said, I'm saying it's it's the only thing to
me that attracts me.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Is Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I do like a good marching band. I like a
really good band. Uh. But I don't like parades, And
I think I don't like parades. I don't like other
people celebrating some else's success when it's not their own.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
What about watching it on TV where you don't have
to go through the logistical Uh, I think hurdles.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Really, that's even worse.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, at least if you're there, you can drink and
feel like you're a part of something fun and you
can be kind of into it, like watching everybody else
have a good time.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
That that falls more in line with the watching your
friends play video games, which you know, I fell victim
to that many times in college, where I'd be like,
I go over my buddy's house. There's a bunch of
a bunch of guys live there, and I'm like, guys,
let's go shoot some hoops. Like there's a basketball court
a block away and they're like playing Halo and FIFA
World Cup and I'm like, this is the lamest stuff.
(23:44):
But I just sat there and watched them do it,
wasting my own time. Yeah, I wanted some guys to
play basketball.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Watch and I can't watch people play video games. And
this comes what aways years of years?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
You're not, Sam.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I know you're older than you let on, but you're
not old enough to remember arcades?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Like?
Speaker 9 (24:00):
I know?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Absolutely? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
No, put a quarter above somebody else you're sitting there
watching them, and like my dad used to dominate Miss
pac Man, and like I don't even want to.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Watch you, Like I just to wait till you walk away.
And I at my quarter because my spot.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
We had like a place called tilt. We had Aladdin's Castle.
Arcades were a big thing when I was a little kid,
and I never watched people play video games. I just
went and try to win tickets and stuff. But that's
it's actually a business now on YouTube is like people
on Twitch and YouTube watching and streaming, watching people play
video games and donating to their like funds and stuff.
(24:34):
It's a whole culture thing.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Tragedy commentary on our society.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
You might not be wrong, Isaac, You might might not
be wrong.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Let's circle back to Jimmy Butler. This is Doug Gotlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. It's weird you have
two kind of terse personalities at times with Draymond and
Jimmy Butler. And what it's like, that's like, it's like
when the negative charges combined, they get a positive charge
of the right. Is that what it is? Is it
negative charges? Like we have magnets?
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Is the negative positive?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:07):
In life and in physics or chemistry, whatever it.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Is potentially here.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
The point is that life and sports is about fit,
and you kind of go through all these other teams
and you're like, yeah, I don't think that fits.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
But you go through the Warriors and what do they need?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
They need somebody opposite Steph who could score, but they
they don't need you to carry the team.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Steph does that.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
You have in drama and you have an elite, elite
passer but not capable of scoring to help the team.
And you can be a hardcore personality in terms of
work ethic and whatever, but it's not your team, so
it's not as you're not in a great position to
be that leader that turns everybody off. You could kind
of just be the uncle and do what you want
and live in your own kind of your own sort
(25:55):
of world.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, I kind of.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I mean, so far, so good. It's super early, but
it's on a long term play. I kind of like
Jimmy Butler with the I kind of like Jimmy Butler there.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I could be wrong.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
He looked out going from Miami and then he gets
to like live on another coast where there's nice, nice weather.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
San Francisco is not nice weather.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
I like it because I like rain, but also you know,
the sun will come out and warm me up. I
think the weather doesn't.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Come out and warm me up in San Have you
ever heard the expression the coldest summer? I remember the
shad summer in.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
San Francisco, sitting in the shade. No, I've been to
trust me. I like, I just like that weather.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I think I like San Francisco, but like trying to
sell me on San Francisco.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
It's definitely not Miami's you know, warmth and humidity, not
at all. It's it is, but it's also not going
to Fargo, North Dakota. No, I mean Minneapolis for that matter.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Rose Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
We got four and a half tonight and three and
a half inches tomorrow of snow, which, by the way,
I love a good snow.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Hey, the crops need Mountain, the Cross.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
We need to have a snowboath, snowball fight, snowball fight.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
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Speaker 1 (27:08):
Abby Valentine's Day Too, Doug Gottlieb Show here at Fox
Sports Radio, Rick Buker in a moment. So, uh, Sam,
I know you watched USC UCLA's women I did. I
did not, Uh I was. I was eyes deep in
uh Northern Kentucky. Who we play tonight?
Speaker 6 (27:26):
As you should be?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Well, yeah, everybody tells me that's what I'm supposed to
be doing it every hour, Doug.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
I don't want to see you cooking or eating or
sleeping like everything.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
You just watched film.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
You need to be coaching and scheming for your next game.
You can't if I see a picture of you like
chopping onions on a on a cutting board. Yeah, you're
talking about cooking. Yeah, Like, Doug, why are you eating?
You should be game planning.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I should be game planning. You're right, man, you're every
moment of every day, every moment of every day.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Uh okay, Uh Jay Stude, did you watch any of
the UCLA USC women's game?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
No?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
No, But I've enjoyed everything since. In other words, I
watched the highlights, and then I have watched a lot
of the people that look down their nose at you
to tell you how good women's basketball is. Sure, tell
me that this was the apex of sports. This competition
(28:20):
last night proved that women's basketball is here to stay.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Okay, Ilo, did you watch any of the game?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Chord cutters so didn't have access to it, followed it
in real time on social media, including the highlights, and
then watched the complete highlights afterward. So unlike this passage
from your article where it says he leaves the thought
unfinished a minor miracle, I did not leave that thought unfinished.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I just I know why you're why you love it,
Jays too, it's because everybody in the world likes being right.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Is that about it?
Speaker 4 (29:02):
I think it's to me, it's like this, I'm I'm
a certain age and I've put a lot of years
in the business. I like when things happen that confirm
my instincts. Like when my instincts are something and then
it plays out that way, then might it just proves.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
My game is still or is that yeah, game is
still show I haven't lost the fastball.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
So your instincts were and I think our instincts were lying.
Which is as much as people wanted to make it
about women's basketball and the rise of popularity, it was
really this amazing. Haley's comment named Caitlin Clark that continues
to bring people to television sets, and nothing else has
changed around it?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Is that? Is that your those your instincts?
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yes, and and then that goes on on our radar,
you and me from a national sports perspective, and and
what what we need to be engaged with that nothing
has changed.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
A here's radar, Here's why, Okay, here's why.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Do you know where these instincts come from in general?
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Or what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You're my instincts on sports? Where do they come from?
They come from? We've been doing this for a long
time and we're both from southern California. And in nineteen
ninety three, I was at Lake Havisu and everybody came
off the lake to watch the LA Kings play in
the Stanley Cup Finals. And I learned that apparently a
stick can only be curved so much like I had
(30:33):
no idea, No one in LA had any idea that
the curvature of a hockey stick could only be just so.
Marty mcstory's stick was too curved. I still don't know,
you know, like I do know that footballs are supposed
to be inflated to a certain level. Basketball it's the same.
I had no idea about a hockey stick. It makes sense.
(30:53):
My point is that soccer has been the sport of
the future since we were kids. Hockey was everything in
the early nineties, and now Caitlyn Clark were told has
made women's back professional basketball, women's college basketball on par
(31:13):
with the men's game, because if you look at last
year's ratings, the women on some level outrated the men.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Is that fair that sam? Is that fair that we
have Some have uttered that.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
As having data to support it, that the women's game
is equal to that of the men's college game, and
it's the WNBA is growing in leaps and bounds in popularity.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Are those fair?
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Sure? Some have said that those things.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
The reality is that I don't think it's just your instincts.
Your instincts are on point. Your instincts are honed over
years and years of experience. Right, we had a women's
professional soccer league right after Brandy Chestain took off her
shirt at the Rose Bowl, and everybody's like women's pro soccer. Yes,
(32:03):
And people didn't watch women's pro soccer. They watched the
US women win the World Cup in LA Right, I
mean the hockey thing it was.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Wayne Gretzky came to LA. The sport didn't.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Grow that much in popularity. They left their home markets,
and now they're back in their home markets. It's still
very popular in more of a niche scale. And that's
the same thing with the WNB, the same thing with
women's basketball. It's good, it's supported. Don't move to domes,
don't get out of yourself, and just know it was
more Caitlin Clark than anything else. Some timing helped you.
(32:37):
Kaitlyn be at the same school for four years helped you.
But she is one of one, and it doesn't have
to do with her being the greatest ever.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
She's just the most popular ever.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
It's coming to you life from the tyreq dot com studios.
Let's catch up with Rick Muker. Of course you see
him on FS one. He covers the NBA as well
as all sports, but he's been an NBA inside of
for years. Now that the dust has settled, what do
you think of the Lakers with Luca and the MAVs
(33:08):
with Ad.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I don't know that my view necessarily has changed or
that it is concrete in a way. I feel as
if look probably what we've learned the most is how
much it was owner driven by the comments that have
come out can come out from the Dallas Mavericks ownership,
(33:31):
But that also fits in with the fact that it's
not a matter of what Luca has done. It really
was driven by the idea that they were going to
have to invest three hundred and forty five million dollars
in the next five years in a guy who was
not available because of a calf injury that he's had
(33:53):
for the fourth time, that he was asked to stay
in some kind of state so that when he did
come back he'd be be effective and was not willing
to do that, and that they just bosked that. The
number now for the Supermax con Max contracts are at
a point where it used to be if you had
(34:14):
a superstar player, yeah, we're probably going to over have
to overpay or pay some exorbitant number, but it was like,
you just have to do it, you have to do it.
And now we've seen enough superstar players who have conditioning
issues that it becomes a questionable bet. And I can't
(34:36):
help but feel like the well Joel Embiid and Zion
Williamson haven't accomplished what Luca has to this point in
his career. They're looking forward and saying, yeah, but what
does it matter what he's done if he's not able
to do it going forward, and we're going to have
this money invested in. So I feel like that is
(34:57):
what drove that decision. I think it's more clear than
that that is the case. And uh, you know, we've
got two games with the Lakers to gauge who they
are going to be. I think everything that we expected
was was on display. Defensively, they're going to have issues.
If I was an opposing coach, I would be playing
(35:19):
up tempo and making Luca and Lebron played transition defense
as much as possible. The loss of Anthony Davis is
going to leave them very vulnerable defensively. In general, you're
going to have highlights, But I like I do I
think they're better? Do I think the Lakers are better
right now? I'm not sure that they are. I don't.
(35:42):
I don't think they're I think they've taken a step back,
and when fully healthy, I think the Dallas Mavericks have
more potential than I thought previously. Is it getting back
to the finals. I don't know. But in the short term,
I like their mix, and ultimately we're going to decide
this by by one thing. Which team wins a championship sooner.
(36:06):
The Lakers have a longer runway to do that. But
if the Dallas Mavericks win a championship or get back
to the finals in the next year or two, then
I'm going to say that it was a potentially successful
trade depending on what Luca is in la. If Luca
gets as it continues to have issues and they can't
(36:29):
build a team that goes to the finals around him,
then I'm going to look at it as the Dallas
Mavericks made a very shrewd and thoughtful move.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Rick Bicker joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's bounce on how big
an impact would Jimmy Butler have on the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Uh, Well, in terms of where they are, how far
they go. I think he's already had an impact as
far as the belief in the team that they can
get something done or that they're better than they than
they were previously. He brings a different gravitas for me
(37:13):
to that team, and he brings a guy quite honestly,
who hasn't won a ring, And I think there's something there,
and so I still, let's put it this way. I
think they're there. I could see them, even if it's
to the play in. I can see them making the playoffs,
and I could see them potentially winning around depending on
(37:35):
what the matchup is. I don't know that I had
a very confident belief that any of that was possible previously.
So does he make them title contenders? I don't. I
don't believe that that's I don't think. I don't think
there was a move to be made that would make
them titles contenders. Do I think that they are better
(37:56):
than they were?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yes? I do.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Up he is in this weird place right where so
many people are paying attention to the Lakers, the Warriors,
the Nuggets, A few people are paying attention to the Sixers.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
How messy are things really in Philly?
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Well, they're messy.
Speaker 7 (38:16):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
The issue that I've had from the very beginning was,
and this is sort of the Darryl Morey model, is
that we're just going to put stars together and it
doesn't really matter like how those stars are integrated seemingly
seemingly I mean you know, you put Dwight Howard and
(38:40):
James Harden together, Like, what are the chances that that's
going to work from a personality level and a personnel level.
I just I watched Tyrese Maxie and Paul George play
and I'm like, those guys have no chemistry. And then
you have Joel Embiid in an out and I know
(39:00):
what the record is when all three of them are
on the floor, but you know this as a coach, like,
I think it's like six and one when all three
of them have played. That's well and good. That's a
lot of talent to put on the floor. But if
you're an opponent, how do you prepare seeing that threesome
versus not seeing that threesome? We're only seeing one of them.
(39:24):
The preparation is completely different. And then when you throw
the three of them at you, now you have some
issues that doesn't necessarily reflect how good they would be
if you knew that you were going to play all
three of them and could prepare for it. So I
just I think it's I think it's a bad it's
a bad expensive mix. And the one thing that Darryl
(39:50):
has been really good at is it's been extricating himself
out of bad combon, you know, horrible expensive combination, and
I just look at this is another one where he's
going to have to work that magic because I I don't,
you know what, you could have all three of those
guys healthy, and I'm not feeling any more optimistic about
(40:10):
what they're going to do.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Uh, Okay, then let's uh, we've got a couple more
of Rick Buker who joins us here. No one's talking
about the Thunder. I feel like no one's and obviously
you know my ties to Oklahoma's Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
I know people in the organization. Yeah, is it?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Is it because of what happened in the playoffs last year?
Is it because of the Luca thing?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Is it? What what no one's talking about Olahoma City?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah? I do think that we we sort of take
them for granted. But then I think we're taking Nikola
Jokis for granted this year too, And it is it's
I think some of it is that, Uh, there's nothing
controversial about the Thunder. There's nothing, you know, shake guilty.
(41:02):
Alexander is just a great player, but he's not he's
not out there saying things, doing things putting it in
people's faces. They're they're a good fun team. They have
a sort of a collegiate aura about them and the
way that they play, and so there's nothing there that
is controversial that it's grabbing your attention. And then I
(41:25):
do think it is in part like they were so
good last year and then they got exposed in the
in the postseason, and so I think there's a there's
a bit of like wait and see. You know, yes,
they're they're running rampant through the regular season, but can
(41:46):
they make that shift. I think that adding Isaiah Hartenstein
certainly helps them. I do think that their offense is
some simplistic and and could cause them problems in the postseason. Again,
as far as being fairly easy to diagnose, Uh, but yeah,
(42:08):
it's I don't want to say that it's you know,
most people would say, well, it's Oklahoma City people just
not paying it, the fan base isn't big enough or whatever.
I don't think it's that. I think, you know what,
I think they're just they're too nice. They're too nice,
they're too controversy free, and that's just not what grabs
our attention in today's sports.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Wool Steck got the show here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I mean, it's that whole element of it is really
really interesting. But I think probably the biggest part is
they haven't won yet in the playoffs, and once you
win the playoffs, suddenly now you significant, you significantly change
how we view you.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
All Star Weekend, All Star we gain.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
We got these multiple team things. Yeah, no, Caitlin Clark involved.
They keep trying to change different ways to get these
guys to play.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
What are your thoughts heading into All Star Weekend?
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Uh? You know, the big thing for me is and
and I'm reminded of it being around it and having
it in the Bay Area is uh. And and fans
by and large and anybody who's upset about the players
not playing hard it probably doesn't want to hear this,
but it has become such a corporate affair and it
(43:27):
has become there. There's there are so many things that
the players here are asked to do from minute to minute,
hour to hour, that the game is an afterthought in
every for anybody who's directly involved in the NBA and
involved in this weekend, Like everybody's exhausted by the time
(43:51):
they get to Sunday, including the players, and so you
add that to what what am I getting out of this? Well,
it used to be like when you played in that game,
that was your stage and your platform, that was where
you got to be associated with the All Stars. Now Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
(44:14):
in a multitude of ways is how you are recognized
as an All Star. The game really isn't where you
have that. It's not the biggest platform that you're on anymore.
So I think that that is a big part of it.
It's just become as the league. Look, this is the
(44:36):
dirty secret and can people won't bang on the NBA
because of ratings or attendance or any of those things.
The NBA has found that to be profitable, it wants
to build as many revenue streams as possible and those
go and a lot of those involved getting customers who
(44:56):
will never attend the game and some who will never
watch an NBA game. I was just in the technology
summit and they were talking about the guy from Apple
was talking about the fact that he asked everybody in
the room how many people watch the last three minutes
of the Rockets Warriors game? And very few hands went
(45:16):
up in the room. And he goes that's the problem,
Like people are not actually watching the games, and you
had a room, this is the NBA, This NBA All
Star Weekend is NBA Texas. These are all people that
are associated with the NBA. Sure there there. The game
has become secondary, and the All Star Weekend is a
(45:40):
perfect example of all the different places that the NBA
is putting its attention and it's not on the court.
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