February 19, 2025 • 45 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show:Doug explains why it is not surprising that Deion Sanders admits that he has never made a visit to a potential recruit, Doug talks about the transfer portal being a big reason why.
On this edition of The Midway, Doug and the crew talk about the next face of the NBA.
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You know, it's interesting. I've been on the road recruiting
the last two days and I heard a quote from
Dion Sanders and I, you know, yesterday we played a
quote from Rick Patino and Jay Stuke kind of like, Hey,
do kids these days like to be coached this way?
And I think common misconception is that all kids in
(01:08):
two thousand and twenty five are are soft and that
they can't motivate them and challenging their manhood doesn't work. Anymore. Look,
there are things that don't work that used to work.
There are ways to do it that you can't do it.
But depending on the messengers the message it can be received.
(01:29):
And the more that I read about my jobs and
how I do my coaching job, the more I and
I see people or read people's reaction to it, the
more I realize they don't actually know how anything works.
They just don't have zero clue, which is okay, it's
probably our job, especially as a broadcaster, and it's one
of the things that's bothered me for a long time
(01:51):
about so many broadcasters is they literally have no idea
how it actually works. So this was Dion Sanders when
he was asked about a story that he doesn't do
in person recruiting. Here's his response.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I don't go to nobody's school and nobody houses.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I'm not doing that. I'm too old to be going to.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Some high school somebody else.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
All the kids that I'm recruiting, matter of fact, Dy
in the portal, they've grown men with kids.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They don't need me to come around. They crib and
try to convince them to come play for me. No,
And so I think it's really interesting, right, Like Patino
came out last week and said, we're not recruiting any
high school kids. You know, and I we have a
couple of high school kids coming in. I really like them,
but I also know that they're coming in. You know,
(02:37):
two of the three we've taken coming in with the
idea of they don't have high expectations of playing right away.
It's really hard to conceptualize them playing at eighteen years
old when next year, you know a lot of guys
are going to be twenty four to twenty five years
old still in college basketball. But do you have to
go in person? No, no, I'm doing I haven't done
(03:01):
an in home visit in my now. He's been on
the job for more time than I have, obviously going
back to Jackson State. But you know, yesterday I talked
to a family that's in Little Rock, Arkansas. I couldn't
get there because the weather conditions, but one of my
assistants was able to get there. You know, we're able
to get to most places, but especially with the portal,
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it doesn't usually work in face to face outside of
them coming on campus. It would sound to some as
if he's lazy, but the fact is he's not. He
already has his kind of quarterback of the future. He
is Deon Sanders. And I'm sure as much as he's
not going to anybody's home now, if there was a
player he really really wanted and the family just wanted
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to meet Dion, I'm sure that can be arranged. He
just hasn't been to that point just yet because well,
his two best players, or his son and Travis Hunter,
who are exceptionally close, and obviously he followed him from
Jackson State to Colorado. But I the more I hear
this and I see people pushing back about what Dion
isn't doing, they actually don't understand how it works, how
(04:09):
it works for us. For example, you know, I sent
my two more experienced recruiters on the road and they've
gone out. They've been gone to what we're gone for
two straight weeks. One is gone this week, another one's
been gone for another week and a half. Outside of that,
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just to see guys in person, and there are players
that in basketball, I want to see them in person.
You know, I can't see guys that will be in
the portal in person. I can watch them on a
computer program called Synergy, where I can watch every play,
every possession, every mistake, every successful play period. I can
talk to lots of people, and sometimes you do need
to get to know the people around them to know
(04:50):
what kind of kid you are getting, especially when you
don't have a lot of time to decide. But at
the end of the day, once we get to taking
some portal kids, and we will take some, it is
you do not have a lot of time. Kid appears
in the portal. There's different programs that can tell you
what the valuation is as a player and what level
(05:14):
they can play at. And that also helps you with
establish sort of valuation for what you would be willing
to pay for such a player. If you have to
pay for the player, you don't have to pay for everybody.
Also a column misconception, but all these things are kind
of like factored in. And yeah, when you're in the portal,
you're not doing in home and in home visits, you're
(05:35):
not doing in person visits. Does that surprise you?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Just do?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I guess it does. It doesn't surprise me that Dion doesn't,
but it does surprise me. I think that there's a
I still think there's a personal touch. I think a
lot of business nowadays, especially since the pandemic. A lot
of a lot of businesses are kind of cutting down
on travel costs and whatnot. But I still think that
(06:01):
there is a value in speaking human to human to
somebody in person.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So there is, but again, let's look at the reality
of if you're Don Okay, when the portal opens, you
have you know, mere hours to really kind of decide
if you're going to offer somebody. There's something, ever, that
we call the dark Portal, which is rumors and stories
and agents and other runners, you know, going, hey, this
guy is going to be in the portal. That guy's
(06:30):
going to be in the portal. And while we don't
operate in the dark portal, a lot of people do,
and they believe that getting ahead is what's important. So
you don't have a lot of time to decide if
you're going to take or not take a kid. The
recruitment process is so fast that imagine if you're Don
and you're like, Okay, I'm gonna go see this lineman
in Texas. Well, then if you don't go see the
(06:52):
lineman in California, I saw the lineman in Texas, or
you couldn't see the lineman in Utah because he's still
on campus at the University of Utah or something like that.
Can't do it. There's just a reality to it. When
you're in the portal, you can't do You very likely
can't do all those things. And if you go and
see one, well then you got to go see all
of them. So I do think there's a little bit
of genius to it, even if he's acting like he's
(07:13):
just too old to be doing that stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah, I mean when you laid out that way, I
guess that the transfer portal has changed everything. And I
will say this too, now that I think about it.
If somebody like text or something and is like, let's
get together for coffee, you immediately think, man, that's an inconvenience.
Why why can't we just talk on the phone or text.
But then after you're done meeting with somebody.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Like that was great or something so glad that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
We will, you know, So there's something to it.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Listen. I'm I'm I When when I got the job,
you know this, I got my car on a Friday
and I was going to drive to every player within
driving distance that was in the portal for a great bay.
There are eight players, you know. One guy was like
coach them out another guy I didn't have to go
drive to see he recommitted, and I saw the other
(08:02):
six and was it four of which came back, So
I end up with five. Right, So I agree with
you on the personal touch. But I'm telling you the
reality of Dion is it's really hard, really hard. It
kind of impossible to go and meet. And if you
go do it for one and you're Dion Sanders, then
if you don't go do it for everybody, then you're like, well,
(08:24):
hold on, Prime, you're gonna go to this dude's house.
You're not gonna go to my house. So that's that's
like the old child rowing line, don't do once, which
you wouldn't be willing to do a thousand times. But
if he does want the kid, Dion Sanders showing up
at the right kid's house, oh my gosh, no chance
(08:45):
he doesn't get up.
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You'll never guess who the Jets could be interested in.
We'll talk about that. Plus the press gets you ready
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plays and how much Lebron plays. That's missing the All
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the middle with here.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It's time for the middle.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
All right, Jase dou the topic of the midway.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I saw this.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Anthony Edwards was on the TNT set this past weekend
and he said this about being the face of the NBA.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
He basically doesn't want to be the face of the NBA.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
And he explains, what, I'm capable of being that guy,
but I don't.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I don't. I don't want to be that guy. Put
it like that.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
I want to be the guy to just show up,
hoop and just kill dudes and go home.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I think the better question is would the NBA even
want Anthony Edwards to be the face of the NBA
because he's so like immature? You know, was it Logan
Roy from Succession when he calls his offspring they're not
serious people. Yeah, Anthony Edwards is not a serious person,
so he can't really be the face of the league.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And I think I think he kind of said as
much though, didn't.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
He Yeah, yeah, he's like, I don't really need it,
I don't want it. Coach Dakich last hour made a
good point. I agree with this. I don't think it
could be Luca. I don't know if you could put
a foreign born player as the face of the NBA.
But I kind of wanted to just chop it up
amongst the four of us here, who is the next
(11:19):
face of the NBA? Monzi's excited to talk about this.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
I mean, I don't know if I'm excited. I like
how you said that he's unseerious.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
That's a good way to put it, Okay, is shake
Gilles Alexander considered.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Foreign as well like Henadian, right, so like.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
They could be they could be our countrymen, so right,
And so.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
I don't think there is a clear answer here, and
that's what makes this so interesting.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
But I think SGA does have the right mentality, a
little bit of like I don't give.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
A you know what about you.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
And not as immature or you know however you want
to put it as maybe Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
I think there's a chance he could be the face
of the NBA. But one that I feel like for
sure it can't be is Jason Tatum. That one is
as clear. They may have tried that for a hot second,
but no, why.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
I don't you know, Doug, Sometimes you just need an
X factor and he just doesn't have the X factor.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
He has X factor as far as what.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Again, I can't it's not it's not that player. No,
it's like a like to be a star, like yeah,
like yes, like you.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
It's it's almost hard to describe because it has nothing
to do with talent, like he's so good, but at
the same time, like I don't see a star like
the X factor, and I think you need to have
that in order to be the face of it.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I agree with that one.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, certain to what the French say is, so what
do you who do you think? Jase too?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
You know what I think we up towards the end
of last year, and my answer was Wemby, even though
I hate his nickname. I think it sounds like a
sissy name. But I don't think Wemby could be the face.
To be honest, I like French like seeing him play
in his first year and stuff. I don't know if
(13:17):
he quite has that as as Moncey referred to that gravitas,
and I don't know, it seems.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Like I think he has a little gravitas. I just
think he's he's almost like a circus circus freak to
some people that it does like you can't really appreciate
or understanding. You're just so blown away by a man
that large being able to play basketball and be that
what looks like that skinny and not just be you know,
not just crumple a bunch of bones. The base of
(13:46):
the NBA. Well, that's hard. I mean, obviously we're talking
about Steph retiring sometime the next couple of years, so
those are the two. I mean, look, it's the best
players are Luca and he's going to be in LA
and this kind of changes his personal trajectory if they
win in LA and then the American born one is
(14:06):
Cooper Flag. M you know, can Cooper Flag be that guy?
I don't know the answer, but so far every level
he's played, he's been the best guy. He's been unbelievable.
And he's only eighteen years old.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
So right now we don't have a face to the NBA.
We only have a guy in college who's waiting.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
No, no, no, the NBA. You're still Lebron Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Right, okay, so apparent ye air apparent.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah there.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I saw an article and I didn't read it, just
saw the headline, just full disclosure that he may Cooper
Flag may even come back to Duke for another year.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
They all say that, right, and then they're like, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
I'm gonna throw a name at you and I just
because you know, we're looking for someone younger that could
cade Cunningham is.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Does it not work because he's in Detroit? Does it not?
Does he need to move to a different market?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I think so, yeah, it needs to be on a
better team, right.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Yeah, because obviously, but he's he's really good in me.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
There's a difference, really good in face of the league months, right,
but the only people face the league have to be
among the best players in the league. She's not there.
And I love Kate, but and I don't just love
him because he went to Oklhom State. I know him,
everybody knows him, likes him. Yeah, nothing not to like,
but there's a massive there's a chasm between him and
(15:29):
like Luca.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Absolutely absolutely, I.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Do think Luca could be that guy though. Guys, even
though he's foreign born, just because he was kind of
a megastar, international megastar come to the States and again
being with the Lakers, I do think changes that his
dynamic completely.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
He's he's relatable to He likes to sit down, have
a beer, have a glass of wine. I think he
loves basketball more than a guy than like, you know,
Nikola Jokic would rather be out chariot racing. Basketball for
him is just the way to pay the bills, and
he's really good at it. But he's like, you know,
I don't care if I win in you know, m VP,
whatever whatever.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Luca has also said that he doesn't want to play
as long as Dirk played so it's also something to
keep in mind.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But yeah, twenty five, ten years, yeah he may he
may have second thoughts about that when ten years from now, sure, and.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Those second thoughts could be I want to play even.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Less and I want to drink more.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Beer, and I want to drink more beer.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
No, it's just like your generic Eastern do that.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Again, but I want to drink more beer.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I want to drink more beer. It's just like me
and if I do a Nicola and Luca, it's the
same accent.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, it's it's I just want to count, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Love my horses like Tracula. It's just the Albanian villain
in any movie. That's what that accent is.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
So the two of the leading vote getters in this
past All Star Game, and I don't think these two
guys pass Muster Mustard Donovan Mitchell and Jalen Brunson out
of the East.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I love Jalen Brunson. Yeah, and I like two national
championships and he's he's become mister New York nick. Uh yeah,
not likely. And who is the other one?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Donovan Mitchell?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah? Again, really bright guy, dynamic player, but no, I
mean he could be like he could be he's you know,
he got compares to Dwayne Waite. That's that's who his
game's like, that's who he is. Dwayne. He was a
great player one NBA Championship. Neverthe Basically, I think.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
This kind of goes back to, like, who's that one
player that you like, make sure that you find if
he's playing, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I don't know if there is one for me. I
think Luca becomes that just because I mentioned to see
how it plays out with the Lakers. But I think
this kind of speaks to why there really isn't an
obvious choice for the next face, because I don't know
how many people you're going to go out of your
way to take time and watch if you're not just
an NBA fan, you know, like casual.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It's true, except for it's easier for casual fans to
watch now than it was when we were kids.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Easier to find. Yeah, but even even being easier to find,
I don't know if there's a player that I want
to tune in to watch.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
What about Jaw?
Speaker 6 (18:19):
I think there was a moment and in that moment,
Well has left.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
He's twenty five, He's from South Carolina. He had the
gun issue thing, but maybe that was an immaturity thing.
And let's say next five to seven years. I mean,
I'm thinking of a player. If you're gonna be to
face the NBA, people search for you on Twitter for
whether it's for good or bad reasons, and you also
come up in highlight packages. You have a you have
a a personality that's engaging. I think he checks all
(18:46):
those boxes. He's a great basketball player. Maybe yeah, I
mean he he what did he say? He's like I
don't want to dunk anymore? I mean that got some
headlines and I mean he's just super athletic?
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Is he?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Could he be the guy?
Speaker 6 (18:58):
I feel like I'm at one point.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Does the market he plays and hurt him?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
No, not as much with market stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, well being the Laker certainly helps.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Sorry, go ahead, Mons, you want to say something.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Being a nick helps?
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Being a Nick helps. I really do feel like.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Jaw was on that trajectory and for some reason all
of the things you've mentioned, but then beyond it just
kind of like it all it deflated, it all just
deflated with him.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Is that or is that ship Parady sale?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Though?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I mean, that's all his career in front of him.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, listen, can can he Can he get back
because people love John Morant?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Can he get back in people's good graces? And say,
how was young and maturial surrounded by the wrong people?
I was in Memphis and I didn't cut the Yeah,
of course, but to be the face of the league, Like,
that's hard one, It's hard one really gonna be such
a much better shooter. But he is an absolute freak. Yep.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I think the best answer in this entire last ten
minutes has been Cooper Flogga. I'm gonna choose Cooper Flagg.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
What did And I'm gonna say Anthony Edwards, whether whether
he wants to be or not, I don't think you
shoot You're not just like I'm going to be the face.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
It's like, yeah, it's like a nickname. You can't give
it to yourself.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
You can't and you know you can be the most
popular guy. And it's just it's a whole lot of things.
It's how marketable you are, it's how good you are,
what your Anthony Edwards has a fun, affable personality and
know he's like, oh I'm not I'm not serious enough
for that. I don't think you need to be I
don't think you need to be in the NFL. It's fierce,
it's ferocious, it's you know, smart quarterback play. In the NBA,
(20:29):
I think it's a little different.
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buy this Jay Stu. This is Kevin rant On not
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gone to Golden State to finish up the season. People
talk crazy about me all the time. That's not the
reason why I didn't want to come back. I just
(21:15):
didn't want to get traded midway through the season. Tryan
explained it was nothing against my time with the Warriors
or I've heard because I don't like Draymond. At the
end of the day, I just didn't want to move.
I want to see it through with my team in
Phoenix and we'll see what we could do the rest
of the season. So I'm glad I'm still here. Jaceuo,
how long have you lived at your place?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
My current place? What about three years?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Okay? And then how long have you lived in that
general vicinity?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Let's say I've lived in the Los Angeles metropolitan area
for a what.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
No, but I mean you're like, you're a good ways
north of the station. You're probably fifty minutes from downtown,
like in that area of Los Angeles. How long have you.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Lived I don't know, twenty some odd years, Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
You've always been in the valley, per se or somewhere
in the valley.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Uh No, I was on the west side, spent some
time down in Orange County.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, So for people who don't know, like Orange County
and where you live, now, that's a good almost two
hours apart. Right. That's an actually legit move. It's a
legit move. Don't get me wrong. All the brands are
the same, right, It's not like you need a new
brand of grocery store, a new brand of workout place,
whatever it is different, Sam, How about you? How long
(22:41):
have you lived to your current current location?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Current location about one year actually coming up pretty much
a year on the dot.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
And then when did you move out to Los Angeles?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
The pretty much the end of twenty fifteen, so and
it's a decade now.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Did you enjoy the movie? Like, was it? Is that
the only move in your life from Iowa to La?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I mean I went to the University of Vermont for
one semester, so you're not moving like a bunch of
furniture and stuff. You're moving your personal items. And but
then I live I lived with my sister, not really lived,
but I was with you know, my sister, uh doing
an internship in Philadelphia for like two months, but that
doesn't really count. So yeah, really, LA's been.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
My biggest Montie. About you? How much have you moved around?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Not a lot? Not a lot.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
I'm a La girl pretty much my whole life.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
I've lived like a couple of months in New York
for school, but just like a summer, so not a lot.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
So do you guys like the idea of moving or
not like the idea of moving.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
I don't like the idea of moving because I don't
want to pack anything and then unpack.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
No moving jobs, you don't have to pack.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Moving just sucks. Moving's the worst. Moving's worse than public speaking,
in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You don't like public speaking, Well, I'm saying I never
shut up on the radio.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I like talking on the radio.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Can I get yeah, listen? Can I get a little
stair drive on that one?
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:02):
That was pretty good?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Come on, I don't We're on the radio. So moving
compared to talking on the radio and aka public speaking
is a breeze compared to moving.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I don't think public speaking. I don't. I don't think
when you say public speaking, that's not well speaking. The
radio is not published.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I'll just say this though, when you know you're talking
from the nation, you go up in front of a
couple hundred people to talk. It's much easier than not
having that radio experience and trying to do that.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
No question, I think it helps. So you guys don't
like I love moving?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
What it's the worst? What do you love about it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I just love new stuff, you know. I just I
remember I was the ESPN for nine years. I loved
being a ESPN. You know, there are lots of people.
I know, it's different than now than it was then.
I loved every minute of the nine years there not
But I remember I was driving he stood driving this
road called Huckleberry Hill. First I was on Jerome because
it was in Burlington first three years. Then I was
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in Canton for six years, so just across the river,
and I would drive out Huckleberry Hill every day. It
was this beautiful drive in the fall. There's an apple tree.
I'd stop, I'd get apples and eat them on the
way to work. It was like amazing. But I just
remember thinking, like how many years was six straight years
driving the exact same route to work. That's a lot.
It's a lot of time, right. And then when I
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was at at Fox, granted I lived in I don't know,
three or four different homes in the Newport Beach area,
but I it was the same drive, you know, like
I'm going up to four or five every single day.
I I like, I don't know, I like change.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It sounds like you like we were talking about the
act of moving, packing your crap up, you know, getting
the logistics of it, getting yourself to wherever your new home,
is you listen, I still have endnerment.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I still have Wisconsin, I still have a California driver's license.
I haven't there's a bunch of stuff I haven't done.
I'm terrible at it. I mean, that's the best thing.
But when you take the ESPN job, is they just
they onboard you. They do everything. You don't even pick
up anything your house. You just like, hey, make sure
it's relatively clean. They pack all your stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
That's nice. That makes it now they they take it out.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Of your check. Right, there's a credit and whatever and
tax on the credit. But the point is that's the
way to move. But in the act of actually moving
and changing places is nice.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, it's it's good for the soul.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Right, Well so I but I think Kevin RAN's like, yeah,
I've done that. It's middle of the year. It's too hard.
I don't want to move. Do you want to? Like, yeah,
we could not win there, we could not win here.
Devil you know, devil you know, I don't know. I kinda,
I kind of buy it. And and and the one
thing about KD is he's never been somebody who's bist
(26:30):
us any anytime k D has gotten into trouble. He's
got in trouble for being too honest. Right, Yes, So
when he says, hey, I didn't want to move, I
don't want to leave my team. I want to see
this thing through. We'll figure out in the off season.
I don't think he's telling a half truth. I think
he's telling the actual truth.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I think we said yesterday what he did. He had
that Twitter exchange with with somebody yesterday where he said
a lot of truthful things. I thought maybe he was
over overtruthful for the NBA's purpose. But I said that
he's had his career. He's a guy who's had his career.
He's got a ton of money in the bank. He's
gonna go into the Hall of Fame as soon as
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he stops playing and waits a necessary time. So it's
like everything he says now I see through that filter,
like he's had his career, Like he's good. I don't
get I don't get this urgency to like, you know,
chase a ring or anything. He just likes to ball
and they'll try to make as much money as he
can before he leaves.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, that's exactly who he is. Stug Gottlieb Show you're
on Fox Sports Radio speaking of coach.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Longtime college basketball coach and college basketball analyst, the host
of Don't at Me, Dan Docketts will join us. Uh momentarily,
we'll do the coach to coach thing. Uh. That's we'll
do the coach coach to coach thing. Call it other coach,
you call it other coach. Hey, coach, it's the best thing.
It's the It's the hey dude of sports. And by that,
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I mean, you know you don't know somebody's name. Hey, Hey,
hey dude, what up? Bro? Hey man? How are you? Bro?
Sub dude? Now I just go hey, coach, Hey coach.
I'm not actually a coach anywhere. That's okay. I just
call everybody coach. It's the it's the sports expression of
hey dude.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It's the maestro from Seinfeld. Yes, the guys like the
composer or the conductor of like a military band. And
then it's like, no, please refer to me as maestro.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Did uh? Did you guys see what happened at the
end of the Illinois Wisconsin game last night? So the
end of the Illinois Wisconsin game, the teams line up
and Brad Underwoods Brad Underwoods, coach of Illinois. They get
beat at Wisconsin and he goes and says something to
Greg Guard, his head coach of Wisconsin, and he's and
they're like, we're not shaking hands. We'll just do the
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NBA Like hey, you know, goodbye, you know. So then
Underwood goes to the podium and they ask him about it.
He's like, no, look, we've we get the flu running
through our team, so the last thing we want to
do is get somebody else sick. That was incredibly thoughtful.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
They already lost to him. It's like why why you know,
Wisconsin is having their best offensive output since like the seventies,
So they're.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, no, they're incredible.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
They're incredible scoring the ball.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I got a kid with the guy. John Tanji was
probably a big big templayer of the year transfer. You know,
it's a sixth year. You know, he started at Colorada
State and then he was at he was at Missouri
last year. But John Tanji was on the freshman B
team when he was a freshman high school in Omaha,
Nebraska to now being big templary of the year, Like
talk about improvement, but yeah, I just I do wonder
(29:34):
if it was your rival. If you he was like
your O tribal, would you do that?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Like?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Would Illinois do that too? Ohio State? Or Northwestern? Like
I don't know, it's diabolical, but like, hey, I don't
want to get just sick.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
WITHO Minnesota. Do that Wisconsin or vice versa?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Right, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
That would be a little you know, we talk about rivalries.
That'd be a little bit too much like bio warfare.
I think in the college ranks, Well.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
What if it was by a what like what if
he played a team like upcoming in two weeks? You're like, hey, guys, listen,
wipe your nose, get some boogies on it, shake their hands,
and we'll see them in two weeks in their coffee
in the season. That would be diabolical, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Trying to gain an edge, you know, only goes so far.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I think, I where is the cutoff? And listen? If
they didn't get their flu shots, that's on them.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
We are in the cold and flu season.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I'm not allowed to mandate my guys getting their flu shots,
but I remind them on a daily basis, Hey, if
you go right down the hall, they will give you
a flu shot for free. Just got it.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Athletes are also just like just because they're always working
out and they take care of themselves, like their immune
systems are already fantastic.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
They are. But like we had, you know, our starting center.
He got strep and the flu testa positive for both
two weeks ago. So then you know he didn't play
well that weekend. They'll be like, why didn't play well?
I was like, well, because he didn't practice all week
because he was in bed because he was super sick.
So but you know, you can't tell anybody that.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
You just go like, eh, good on Brad Underwood though
that was conscho That's a solid interesting to do.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
It's a solid move. Hey, no, I'm sick, can't shake
your hand. We can do the elbow thing. You guys
want to do the elbow thing? No, no, but thing
with his wave? What his wave? Well wave? What is
what is your limit for when you will limit human contact?
Like do you actually have to feel bad? Have you
felt bad? Do you feel like your symptoms are gone?
(31:22):
For me, I never get sick, so it's not usually
an issue for me. I'm also a big hand washer
because I do shake a lot of hands. But it
does annoy me when people are clearly sick and they're
like sitting next to you sneezing, Like, dude, go somewhere else,
Go somewhere else. Stan Dockets share with us. I think
(31:43):
he is Dan Dockets hosts don't at me on OutKick
every day he joins to the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Pretty solid. You had Brad Underwood on today, right,
he was pretty solid of him to not shake hands
because he didn't want to get Wisconsin sick.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, I mean you're coaching, you know. I mean it's
one of those deals. I remember asking a long time
ago Joey Meyer when he was at the Paul what's
the hardest thing about coach? Hit to Paul and he said,
we always get sick. I said, what do you mean.
He goes, well, we got to go practice. They didn't
have a practice, silly, they got to go up north
the practice at the Rose Month and come back, get
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out of the carget in the car, and you get sick.
So yeah, I know what was great. He's like, look,
we are sick as hell. And he went through all
of it, and then Doug He's like, I don't want
to spread it. To the other team. So I told
or he told Greg Guard and then you know, people
made a little bit of a deal on it because
that's what people do. But no, it was a good movement.
They you know, according to Brady, they're bad sick, like
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this has been going on for a few weeks and
hopefully they get through it. But you understand it. I mean,
it's crazy how much you're together. One guy gets sick,
everybody gets sick. It's bad.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
It is bad, and they can go through, go through
the team, and then it gets and you know, he's like,
why isn't that team any good? Like, yeah, they're all
sick just right.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I tried to cancel the game one time. We couldn't play.
I couldn't practice for three days. Guy's puking. We're playing
Northern Illinois, and I'm like, can we move the game
a day or something, because you know, it wasn't really
on TV and now we got to play. I'm like,
all right, who got our ass beat? And I couldn't
even get mad after the game because I didn't even
know if we're gonna have five guys that you know,
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every coach you know has a story like that at
some point. I could coach long enough.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
You know, there's obviously a lot of talk post All
Star Games, like every year post All Star Game, we
can plain Alstar Game stinks. I haven't watched it in
years because we all know it stinks. But I would
also tell you that Major League Baseball's All Star Game
isn't entertaining anymore. Pro Bowl is no longer a football game,
not entertaining anymore. What what's happened to? Why aren't All
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Star games important to the players anymore?
Speaker 3 (33:45):
I think they don't have pride in it anymore. You know,
back one hundred years ago, Pete Rose runs over Ray Fosch.
I remember that like it was yesterday. I said this
on both of my shows. And until you get player
pride in this, until you get people that are just
doing with the hockey players say, you know they look
pride for each other, pride and playing for you know,
a uniform. If I'm gonna put a uniform on, I'm
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gonna play hard, that kind of thing. I think that
is totally completely lost. I do. And I I look
at the NBA and there's a podcast. It's kind of
an interesting podcast. Up and Smoke Matt Barnes and Steven Jackson,
and when they interview guys that aren't Isaiah Thomas or Magic,
(34:26):
and you realize how whacked out these NBA players are,
what clowns and fools they are. And now you know,
I mean the Isaiahs, the Jordans, the Birds, the Magic,
the create that pride, you know, these guys. When you
hear Barnes and Jackson interview people, it's like, well, these
guys are just a bunch of dumbasses that smoke weed
(34:47):
during the season, drink act like idiots, and you know,
and that's what the NBA who people have become. And
it's them telling their stories. You know, you hear Isaiah
or you hear oh what was it? You know, hey, look,
we're not gonna let Kobe embarrass Michael in his last
All Star game. You know, we're not gonna let that happen.
That is not happening. Kobe's this young kid. He ain't
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getting forty, you know, against us in the locker room here,
Isaiah tell those stories or you hear Bird tell those
stories or whoever, And that's pride, you just the NBA.
I'm not going to tell you. I don't know the reason.
Maybe it's money. Maybe it's popularity, maybe it's I have
no idea, but man, I'm always fascinated with all these
(35:30):
podcasts out to listen to them. And it's like from
the time Jordan and that crew got done, maybe early
two thousands, through the whatever, it's not the stars, it's
the fringe guys that are kind of good enough, that
are pains in the ass, like a Barnes, like a Jackson,
and you see these other guys on there and you're like, well, man,
(35:52):
the NBA was a mess, and then I think the
current players have just taken that and made it more
las fair. I don't know. That's a long answer to
saying I don't know, but it's it's like poorn right.
The Supreme Court justice can't define it, but I know
it when I see it. There's a hell of a
lack of pride there.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I would, I would, I would agree with you. I
agree with you. How much is the commissioner to blame?
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, I think he stinks. You know, everybody loves him
because he's the woe guy. But Doug, when you players
always always take kindness as weakness, Like the commissioner is
going to leave all this stuff to the players. Really
we're going to give in to the players on every issue. Really,
(36:34):
David Stern didn't built the league that way. David sternbruled
with an iron fish. You're gonna address a certain way.
You're going to talk a certain way. The coaches are
going to address a certain way. You know, you get
out of hand with the officials. It wasn't ahead of
officials that called you. It was David Stern that called you.
You act like an idiot in the press. Commerce. It
wasn't your GM, it was David Stern to call you. Now,
this guy he's given into everything, and you can't give
(36:56):
in the players. You can never get coach. Now, you
said best, I give in the players on things I
don't care about. Hey man, you guys want to go
eat at the Big Wheel or you want to eat
at Butterfields? All right, hey man, you guys want practice
at eight, you want practice at ten? Things you don't
really care about. You don't give into players unimportant issues ever,
under no circumstance. And you know, in this woke whatever
(37:18):
you want to call an era player empowerment, he did,
he does, and players don't stop. Man. It's like always
said about the NC double a rule. Book. You know, guys,
bitchwind them on about the nc double a rule book
being so thick back and death. It ain't the rules,
it's the coaches that learn to break the rules. And
now you got to put a bunch of a denments
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in or amendments in and next thing. You know, one
rule that would be half a page is now three
pages because fifteen different coaches found fifteen different ways to
break the rolls. It's the same thing with players in
the NBA. You give them an inside anything, ah man,
they're gonna bitch, wine and moan and figure out a
way around. It's just it's stupid, and you can't be
(38:02):
a leader when you're giving in, giving in, giving in.
I gotta do is look at what David Stern did
for league and compared to what Adam Silver is doing
to the league, and you see a big difference.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
What happens what happens when Lebron leaves the league.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
That's a good question. I don't you know. Bran Underwood
said today, he goes, you know what I think that
Cooper Flagg could do for the NBA in college? Actually
he said what Caitlin Clark's done. And he was talking
about college. But I guess I equated it to the NBA.
I don't think there's anybody and this I sound so negative,
(38:41):
like I'm listening to myself going damn. But you know,
I guess I would ask anybody out there, you tell
me who a likable young star is. I mean, you know,
And one thing about the NBA, man, and this is weird.
Commercials matter. They don't like Michael Tracy McGrady was the
first guy I ever saw get a commercial without ever
(39:02):
doing nothing. Used to be you know, bird and magic,
We're playing Horse and a McDonald's commercial, Michael Jordan's commercial,
Spike Lee legendary Isaiah with the Converse commercials. Barkley dudes
were fun and they were funny, and now you look
at their goofy ass Chad Holger and dressing like a
vampire with you know, I guess, say Gildess Alexander and
(39:23):
they're like, oh, this is stupid. It's ain't the NBA
to get back there. I don't know, I don't know who.
Maybe Webbin Yama, maybe Stephen A. Smith and the rest
are right. You can't have a white born dude Yo
Kitch or don Zik be the face of the NBA.
I don't know, but O Tommy's the face of Major
League Baseball. Messi's the face of United States soccer pretty much.
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You know, Can Web and Yama be it? I don't know.
Can can Jokich? Probably? I don't know, But man, right now,
there's not a whole lot of likability among among young
I guess star like Anthony Edwards should be. He seems smart,
you got great smile, good looking dude, but acts like
an idiot half the time.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
On the well, two things, One, I don't think he's
good enough? Yeah, I agree, And then too, he's talented enough,
but he's not. I mean there's a different kind of
dynamic there. And the second thing, I don't even say.
He doesn't want to be I don't be the face league?
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah, I mean why wouldn't you want to be? Why
wouldn't you want to be the face? Why wouldn't you
want your program to be the face of the Horizon League.
I always like playing in Indiana because we are the
face of the Big Ten, and everywhere we went it
was the biggest deal. What do you mean you don't
want to be the face of the league? Facing the league?
Is Jordan facing the league? Is Magic facing the league,
is burd facing the league? Is Lebron facing the league
as Kobe? You don't want to be in that. What
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do you want to be going to be Stephen Jackson,
be Matt Barnes smoking weed on a podcast? I mean,
what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Like?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
That's just stupid to me. I saw that comment, and
I'm thinking I gave him the benefit of data. Sorry,
dude's like twenty two guy doesn't know his ass from
third base, but he he you know, but he had
one big playoff game, really and next thing, you know,
oh man, you know he's gonna act like an idiot
every time he get fined, all that kind of stuff,
and he should be the perfect dude. He is good
(41:09):
looking dude when he wants to be. He's really insightful,
pretty smart, kind of likable. But to your point, I
don't want to be the face of the league where
you want to be. You don't want to be Jordan.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Okay, speaking of Indiana, you were the head coach for
a time at Indiana. He played in Indiana and assistant
coach in Indiana as well. Who best guess who's next
head coach the Hoosiers.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
I wish they just higher offer and be done with it.
But everybody's got their opinion. My opinion is that it's
always been that, I mean twenty five years. I don't know.
I think they'll try to get Dusty May. I know
Goodman said that reported that Brad Stevens is out. If
that's true, then they'll probably probably Dusty Mail end up
with a big contract, probably at Michigan. He's going to
(41:53):
Big ten if he wins this weekend. I would think
Beard Beard is a guy that seems to like coach. Honestly,
don't know, I really don't and I do trust Scott
Dowson the a D. I hope they keep that dumb
ass Quinn Buckner out of it. Uh and the rest
of the penny millionaires that run around Indiana who all
apparently get to have a say. Scott Dolson is a
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smart kid. I knew him. He was a manager when
I was a senior. He came in as a as
a freshman. I've known him for one hundred years and
he's very smart. He hires signatty. I would like to
see Ben McCollum, I mean Ben McCullum, and Drake is
a terrific terrific basketball coach had a tough night the
other night. But all the dude's done is win four
national championships at Division two. His team he lost everybody
(42:35):
the freeze, took everybody to West Virginia. And he's twenty
three and four or something like that.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I mean he has he does have like two six
years that played for him, two fifth years.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
I don't, Doug, I ain't arguing with you, man, I
played a long ass yea coaching that might be the
best guy. I'm not listening to anybody about Indiana that much.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
No, No, I'm talking about it. I'm talking about Ben McCollum.
I'm actually I always think he just coast him.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
There is no I don't care, there's nobody I'm talking about,
uh two about Indiana. He is, in my opinion, among
the three or four best coaches in the country. I
don't care who he has, and I would love to
see him be the coach in Indiana. I lived everybody.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Is.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, I'm just I was just correctly pointing out that
like he does have a team, he's coached those dudes
for some of those guys for five years. Yeah, the
challenge for him would be in the landscape of can
you do it without the coach?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Shah yeah, yeah yeah. The challenge for this guy to challenge.
I've heard it all. Nobody knows more about this than me.
I'm just gonna say it on national radio. I've listened
to everybody's opinion. This guy, that guy, he would be
a great coach in Indiana. And those are his guys. Yes,
he coaches, but they weren't Division.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
One guys, no question.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
The Division one guys. That's one of the two or
three best coaches I've seen in college basketball. And that's
all my fatass does is watch college basketball.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Great, all right, we'll talk to you next time.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Okay, all right, Sorry if I offended you.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
You didn't offend me. I was actually agreeing with you.
But Bud just contextualized that's Dan dockets. Don't at me
on OutKick. I just you know Ben McCollum as the
head coach of Drake for people to know, he wasn't.
He was at Northwest Missouri State. They won four national titles.
We played against him. He's really good, really really good,
and we were, you know, down three starters and it
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was somehow a miracle. That thing was like a we lost.
I think by eight, but it was a two point
game with you know, four and change to go. So
but he's he's tremendous. The challenge for McCollum would be,
you step up in weight class. His point guard is
good enough to play in Indiana or anywhere in the country,
(44:52):
is really good. But you'd have all new guys and
when you're used to having continuity every year, like even
Bill self, Look how much they are struggling when you
go into the portal and you're not used to recruiting
that way. Yes, uh uh yes, Sam.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
You and Ben McCollum. You you guys related kind of
look alike. I see you look at Ben McCollum, like,
there's shades of Doug Gottliebs.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
There got white guys. We were seeding hairlines.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
I don't know, just like the the your your.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
White guys, we were seeding hairlines. That's that's what it is.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
It's more than that. It's like, what do you call it?
Your your your generally people? Rome, you have a complexion
that similar to Ben McCauley.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Rome, Matt and Natos Yees prom.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yes. When Prum was at I was State, I was like,
definitely shades of Doug Gottlieb. Also Ben McCollum.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Born Rome was at Missouri back at Murray State.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Murray State. Yeah, and is he back there? Yeah yes,
Murray State, Iowa State, back to Murray State, Yes, yes, yes,
quite the he did. He did pretty good at Iowa stage,
just you.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Know, different, incredible, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
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Dion Sanders and I, you know, yesterday we played a
quote from Rick Patino and Jay Stuke kind of like, Hey,
do kids these days like to be coached this way?
And I think common misconception is that all kids in
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two thousand and twenty five are are soft and that
they can't motivate them and challenging their manhood doesn't work. Anymore. Look,
there are things that don't work that used to work.
There are ways to do it that you can't do it.
But depending on the messengers the message it can be received.
(01:29):
And the more that I read about my jobs and
how I do my coaching job, the more I and
I see people or read people's reaction to it, the
more I realize they don't actually know how anything works.
They just don't have zero clue, which is okay, it's
probably our job, especially as a broadcaster, and it's one
of the things that's bothered me for a long time
(01:51):
about so many broadcasters is they literally have no idea
how it actually works. So this was Dion Sanders when
he was asked about a story that he doesn't do
in person recruiting. Here's his response.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I don't go to nobody's school and nobody houses.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I'm not doing that. I'm too old to be going to.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Some high school somebody else.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
All the kids that I'm recruiting, matter of fact, Dy
in the portal, they've grown men with kids.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They don't need me to come around. They crib and
try to convince them to come play for me. No,
And so I think it's really interesting, right, Like Patino
came out last week and said, we're not recruiting any
high school kids. You know, and I we have a
couple of high school kids coming in. I really like them,
but I also know that they're coming in. You know,
(02:37):
two of the three we've taken coming in with the
idea of they don't have high expectations of playing right away.
It's really hard to conceptualize them playing at eighteen years
old when next year, you know a lot of guys
are going to be twenty four to twenty five years
old still in college basketball. But do you have to
go in person? No, no, I'm doing I haven't done
(03:01):
an in home visit in my now. He's been on
the job for more time than I have, obviously going
back to Jackson State. But you know, yesterday I talked
to a family that's in Little Rock, Arkansas. I couldn't
get there because the weather conditions, but one of my
assistants was able to get there. You know, we're able
to get to most places, but especially with the portal,
(03:22):
it doesn't usually work in face to face outside of
them coming on campus. It would sound to some as
if he's lazy, but the fact is he's not. He
already has his kind of quarterback of the future. He
is Deon Sanders. And I'm sure as much as he's
not going to anybody's home now, if there was a
player he really really wanted and the family just wanted
(03:45):
to meet Dion, I'm sure that can be arranged. He
just hasn't been to that point just yet because well,
his two best players, or his son and Travis Hunter,
who are exceptionally close, and obviously he followed him from
Jackson State to Colorado. But I the more I hear
this and I see people pushing back about what Dion
isn't doing, they actually don't understand how it works, how
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it works for us. For example, you know, I sent
my two more experienced recruiters on the road and they've
gone out. They've been gone to what we're gone for
two straight weeks. One is gone this week, another one's
been gone for another week and a half. Outside of that,
(04:29):
just to see guys in person, and there are players
that in basketball, I want to see them in person.
You know, I can't see guys that will be in
the portal in person. I can watch them on a
computer program called Synergy, where I can watch every play,
every possession, every mistake, every successful play period. I can
talk to lots of people, and sometimes you do need
to get to know the people around them to know
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what kind of kid you are getting, especially when you
don't have a lot of time to decide. But at
the end of the day, once we get to taking
some portal kids, and we will take some, it is
you do not have a lot of time. Kid appears
in the portal. There's different programs that can tell you
what the valuation is as a player and what level
(05:14):
they can play at. And that also helps you with
establish sort of valuation for what you would be willing
to pay for such a player. If you have to
pay for the player, you don't have to pay for everybody.
Also a column misconception, but all these things are kind
of like factored in. And yeah, when you're in the portal,
you're not doing in home and in home visits, you're
(05:35):
not doing in person visits. Does that surprise you?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Just do?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I guess it does. It doesn't surprise me that Dion doesn't,
but it does surprise me. I think that there's a
I still think there's a personal touch. I think a
lot of business nowadays, especially since the pandemic. A lot
of a lot of businesses are kind of cutting down
on travel costs and whatnot. But I still think that
(06:01):
there is a value in speaking human to human to
somebody in person.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So there is, but again, let's look at the reality
of if you're Don Okay, when the portal opens, you
have you know, mere hours to really kind of decide
if you're going to offer somebody. There's something, ever, that
we call the dark Portal, which is rumors and stories
and agents and other runners, you know, going, hey, this
guy is going to be in the portal. That guy's
(06:30):
going to be in the portal. And while we don't
operate in the dark portal, a lot of people do,
and they believe that getting ahead is what's important. So
you don't have a lot of time to decide if
you're going to take or not take a kid. The
recruitment process is so fast that imagine if you're Don
and you're like, Okay, I'm gonna go see this lineman
in Texas. Well, then if you don't go see the
(06:52):
lineman in California, I saw the lineman in Texas, or
you couldn't see the lineman in Utah because he's still
on campus at the University of Utah or something like that.
Can't do it. There's just a reality to it. When
you're in the portal, you can't do You very likely
can't do all those things. And if you go and
see one, well then you got to go see all
of them. So I do think there's a little bit
of genius to it, even if he's acting like he's
(07:13):
just too old to be doing that stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah, I mean when you laid out that way, I
guess that the transfer portal has changed everything. And I
will say this too, now that I think about it.
If somebody like text or something and is like, let's
get together for coffee, you immediately think, man, that's an inconvenience.
Why why can't we just talk on the phone or text.
But then after you're done meeting with somebody.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Like that was great or something so glad that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
We will, you know, So there's something to it.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Listen. I'm I'm I When when I got the job,
you know this, I got my car on a Friday
and I was going to drive to every player within
driving distance that was in the portal for a great bay.
There are eight players, you know. One guy was like
coach them out another guy I didn't have to go
drive to see he recommitted, and I saw the other
(08:02):
six and was it four of which came back, So
I end up with five. Right, So I agree with
you on the personal touch. But I'm telling you the
reality of Dion is it's really hard, really hard. It
kind of impossible to go and meet. And if you
go do it for one and you're Dion Sanders, then
if you don't go do it for everybody, then you're like, well,
(08:24):
hold on, Prime, you're gonna go to this dude's house.
You're not gonna go to my house. So that's that's
like the old child rowing line, don't do once, which
you wouldn't be willing to do a thousand times. But
if he does want the kid, Dion Sanders showing up
at the right kid's house, oh my gosh, no chance
(08:45):
he doesn't get up.
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We'll talk about that. Plus the press gets you ready
for the night in sports, which sort it's a big
night from from this standpoint, right, big night because the
NBA is in fact back, although only one game, Lakers
taking on the Hornets, and we'll see how much Luca
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plays and how much Lebron plays. That's missing the All
Star Game and the last game of the first half
of the season. It's a Wednesday, it's the middle of
the show, the middle of the day, the middle of
the week. We get to the midway. It's not getting
the middle with here.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It's time for the middle.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
All right, Jase dou the topic of the midway.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I saw this.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Anthony Edwards was on the TNT set this past weekend
and he said this about being the face of the NBA.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
He basically doesn't want to be the face of the NBA.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
And he explains, what, I'm capable of being that guy,
but I don't.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I don't. I don't want to be that guy. Put
it like that.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
I want to be the guy to just show up,
hoop and just kill dudes and go home.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I think the better question is would the NBA even
want Anthony Edwards to be the face of the NBA
because he's so like immature? You know, was it Logan
Roy from Succession when he calls his offspring they're not
serious people. Yeah, Anthony Edwards is not a serious person,
so he can't really be the face of the league.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And I think I think he kind of said as
much though, didn't.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
He Yeah, yeah, he's like, I don't really need it,
I don't want it. Coach Dakich last hour made a
good point. I agree with this. I don't think it
could be Luca. I don't know if you could put
a foreign born player as the face of the NBA.
But I kind of wanted to just chop it up
amongst the four of us here, who is the next
(11:19):
face of the NBA? Monzi's excited to talk about this.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
I mean, I don't know if I'm excited. I like
how you said that he's unseerious.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
That's a good way to put it, Okay, is shake
Gilles Alexander considered.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Foreign as well like Henadian, right, so like.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
They could be they could be our countrymen, so right,
And so.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
I don't think there is a clear answer here, and
that's what makes this so interesting.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
But I think SGA does have the right mentality, a
little bit of like I don't give.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
A you know what about you.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
And not as immature or you know however you want
to put it as maybe Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
I think there's a chance he could be the face
of the NBA. But one that I feel like for
sure it can't be is Jason Tatum. That one is
as clear. They may have tried that for a hot second,
but no, why.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
I don't you know, Doug, Sometimes you just need an
X factor and he just doesn't have the X factor.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
He has X factor as far as what.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Again, I can't it's not it's not that player. No,
it's like a like to be a star, like yeah,
like yes, like you.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
It's it's almost hard to describe because it has nothing
to do with talent, like he's so good, but at
the same time, like I don't see a star like
the X factor, and I think you need to have
that in order to be the face of it.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I agree with that one.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, certain to what the French say is, so what
do you who do you think? Jase too?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
You know what I think we up towards the end
of last year, and my answer was Wemby, even though
I hate his nickname. I think it sounds like a
sissy name. But I don't think Wemby could be the face.
To be honest, I like French like seeing him play
in his first year and stuff. I don't know if
(13:17):
he quite has that as as Moncey referred to that gravitas,
and I don't know, it seems.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Like I think he has a little gravitas. I just
think he's he's almost like a circus circus freak to
some people that it does like you can't really appreciate
or understanding. You're just so blown away by a man
that large being able to play basketball and be that
what looks like that skinny and not just be you know,
not just crumple a bunch of bones. The base of
(13:46):
the NBA. Well, that's hard. I mean, obviously we're talking
about Steph retiring sometime the next couple of years, so
those are the two. I mean, look, it's the best
players are Luca and he's going to be in LA
and this kind of changes his personal trajectory if they
win in LA and then the American born one is
(14:06):
Cooper Flag. M you know, can Cooper Flag be that guy?
I don't know the answer, but so far every level
he's played, he's been the best guy. He's been unbelievable.
And he's only eighteen years old.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
So right now we don't have a face to the NBA.
We only have a guy in college who's waiting.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
No, no, no, the NBA. You're still Lebron Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Right, okay, so apparent ye air apparent.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah there.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I saw an article and I didn't read it, just
saw the headline, just full disclosure that he may Cooper
Flag may even come back to Duke for another year.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
They all say that, right, and then they're like, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
I'm gonna throw a name at you and I just
because you know, we're looking for someone younger that could
cade Cunningham is.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Does it not work because he's in Detroit? Does it not?
Does he need to move to a different market?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I think so, yeah, it needs to be on a
better team, right.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Yeah, because obviously, but he's he's really good in me.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
There's a difference, really good in face of the league months, right,
but the only people face the league have to be
among the best players in the league. She's not there.
And I love Kate, but and I don't just love
him because he went to Oklhom State. I know him,
everybody knows him, likes him. Yeah, nothing not to like,
but there's a massive there's a chasm between him and
(15:29):
like Luca.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Absolutely absolutely, I.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Do think Luca could be that guy though. Guys, even
though he's foreign born, just because he was kind of
a megastar, international megastar come to the States and again
being with the Lakers, I do think changes that his
dynamic completely.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
He's he's relatable to He likes to sit down, have
a beer, have a glass of wine. I think he
loves basketball more than a guy than like, you know,
Nikola Jokic would rather be out chariot racing. Basketball for
him is just the way to pay the bills, and
he's really good at it. But he's like, you know,
I don't care if I win in you know, m VP,
whatever whatever.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Luca has also said that he doesn't want to play
as long as Dirk played so it's also something to
keep in mind.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But yeah, twenty five, ten years, yeah he may he
may have second thoughts about that when ten years from now, sure, and.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Those second thoughts could be I want to play even.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Less and I want to drink more.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Beer, and I want to drink more beer.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
No, it's just like your generic Eastern do that.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Again, but I want to drink more beer.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I want to drink more beer. It's just like me
and if I do a Nicola and Luca, it's the
same accent.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, it's it's I just want to count, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Love my horses like Tracula. It's just the Albanian villain
in any movie. That's what that accent is.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
So the two of the leading vote getters in this
past All Star Game, and I don't think these two
guys pass Muster Mustard Donovan Mitchell and Jalen Brunson out
of the East.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I love Jalen Brunson. Yeah, and I like two national
championships and he's he's become mister New York nick. Uh yeah,
not likely. And who is the other one?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Donovan Mitchell?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah? Again, really bright guy, dynamic player, but no, I
mean he could be like he could be he's you know,
he got compares to Dwayne Waite. That's that's who his
game's like, that's who he is. Dwayne. He was a
great player one NBA Championship. Neverthe Basically, I think.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
This kind of goes back to, like, who's that one
player that you like, make sure that you find if
he's playing, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I don't know if there is one for me. I
think Luca becomes that just because I mentioned to see
how it plays out with the Lakers. But I think
this kind of speaks to why there really isn't an
obvious choice for the next face, because I don't know
how many people you're going to go out of your
way to take time and watch if you're not just
an NBA fan, you know, like casual.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It's true, except for it's easier for casual fans to
watch now than it was when we were kids.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Easier to find. Yeah, but even even being easier to find,
I don't know if there's a player that I want
to tune in to watch.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
What about Jaw?
Speaker 6 (18:19):
I think there was a moment and in that moment,
Well has left.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
He's twenty five, He's from South Carolina. He had the
gun issue thing, but maybe that was an immaturity thing.
And let's say next five to seven years. I mean,
I'm thinking of a player. If you're gonna be to
face the NBA, people search for you on Twitter for
whether it's for good or bad reasons, and you also
come up in highlight packages. You have a you have
a a personality that's engaging. I think he checks all
(18:46):
those boxes. He's a great basketball player. Maybe yeah, I
mean he he what did he say? He's like I
don't want to dunk anymore? I mean that got some
headlines and I mean he's just super athletic?
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Is he?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Could he be the guy?
Speaker 6 (18:58):
I feel like I'm at one point.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Does the market he plays and hurt him?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
No, not as much with market stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, well being the Laker certainly helps.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Sorry, go ahead, Mons, you want to say something.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Being a nick helps?
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Being a Nick helps. I really do feel like.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Jaw was on that trajectory and for some reason all
of the things you've mentioned, but then beyond it just
kind of like it all it deflated, it all just
deflated with him.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Is that or is that ship Parady sale?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Though?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I mean, that's all his career in front of him.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, listen, can can he Can he get back
because people love John Morant?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Can he get back in people's good graces? And say,
how was young and maturial surrounded by the wrong people?
I was in Memphis and I didn't cut the Yeah,
of course, but to be the face of the league, Like,
that's hard one, It's hard one really gonna be such
a much better shooter. But he is an absolute freak. Yep.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I think the best answer in this entire last ten
minutes has been Cooper Flogga. I'm gonna choose Cooper Flagg.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
What did And I'm gonna say Anthony Edwards, whether whether
he wants to be or not, I don't think you
shoot You're not just like I'm going to be the face.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
It's like, yeah, it's like a nickname. You can't give
it to yourself.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
You can't and you know you can be the most
popular guy. And it's just it's a whole lot of things.
It's how marketable you are, it's how good you are,
what your Anthony Edwards has a fun, affable personality and
know he's like, oh I'm not I'm not serious enough
for that. I don't think you need to be I
don't think you need to be in the NFL. It's fierce,
it's ferocious, it's you know, smart quarterback play. In the NBA,
(20:29):
I think it's a little different.
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buy this Jay Stu. This is Kevin rant On not
want to leave Phoenix right because he supposedly could have
gone to Golden State to finish up the season. People
talk crazy about me all the time. That's not the
reason why I didn't want to come back. I just
(21:15):
didn't want to get traded midway through the season. Tryan
explained it was nothing against my time with the Warriors
or I've heard because I don't like Draymond. At the
end of the day, I just didn't want to move.
I want to see it through with my team in
Phoenix and we'll see what we could do the rest
of the season. So I'm glad I'm still here. Jaceuo,
how long have you lived at your place?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
My current place? What about three years?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Okay? And then how long have you lived in that
general vicinity?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Let's say I've lived in the Los Angeles metropolitan area
for a what.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
No, but I mean you're like, you're a good ways
north of the station. You're probably fifty minutes from downtown,
like in that area of Los Angeles. How long have you.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Lived I don't know, twenty some odd years, Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
You've always been in the valley, per se or somewhere
in the valley.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Uh No, I was on the west side, spent some
time down in Orange County.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, So for people who don't know, like Orange County
and where you live, now, that's a good almost two
hours apart. Right. That's an actually legit move. It's a
legit move. Don't get me wrong. All the brands are
the same, right, It's not like you need a new
brand of grocery store, a new brand of workout place,
whatever it is different, Sam, How about you? How long
(22:41):
have you lived to your current current location?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Current location about one year actually coming up pretty much
a year on the dot.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
And then when did you move out to Los Angeles?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
The pretty much the end of twenty fifteen, so and
it's a decade now.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Did you enjoy the movie? Like, was it? Is that
the only move in your life from Iowa to La?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I mean I went to the University of Vermont for
one semester, so you're not moving like a bunch of
furniture and stuff. You're moving your personal items. And but
then I live I lived with my sister, not really lived,
but I was with you know, my sister, uh doing
an internship in Philadelphia for like two months, but that
doesn't really count. So yeah, really, LA's been.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
My biggest Montie. About you? How much have you moved around?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Not a lot? Not a lot.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
I'm a La girl pretty much my whole life.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
I've lived like a couple of months in New York
for school, but just like a summer, so not a lot.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
So do you guys like the idea of moving or
not like the idea of moving.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
I don't like the idea of moving because I don't
want to pack anything and then unpack.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
No moving jobs, you don't have to pack.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Moving just sucks. Moving's the worst. Moving's worse than public speaking,
in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You don't like public speaking, Well, I'm saying I never
shut up on the radio.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I like talking on the radio.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Can I get yeah, listen? Can I get a little
stair drive on that one?
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:02):
That was pretty good?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Come on, I don't We're on the radio. So moving
compared to talking on the radio and aka public speaking
is a breeze compared to moving.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I don't think public speaking. I don't. I don't think
when you say public speaking, that's not well speaking. The
radio is not published.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I'll just say this though, when you know you're talking
from the nation, you go up in front of a
couple hundred people to talk. It's much easier than not
having that radio experience and trying to do that.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
No question, I think it helps. So you guys don't
like I love moving?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
What it's the worst? What do you love about it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I just love new stuff, you know. I just I
remember I was the ESPN for nine years. I loved
being a ESPN. You know, there are lots of people.
I know, it's different than now than it was then.
I loved every minute of the nine years there not
But I remember I was driving he stood driving this
road called Huckleberry Hill. First I was on Jerome because
it was in Burlington first three years. Then I was
(24:52):
in Canton for six years, so just across the river,
and I would drive out Huckleberry Hill every day. It
was this beautiful drive in the fall. There's an apple tree.
I'd stop, I'd get apples and eat them on the
way to work. It was like amazing. But I just
remember thinking, like how many years was six straight years
driving the exact same route to work. That's a lot.
It's a lot of time, right. And then when I
(25:14):
was at at Fox, granted I lived in I don't know,
three or four different homes in the Newport Beach area,
but I it was the same drive, you know, like
I'm going up to four or five every single day.
I I like, I don't know, I like change.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It sounds like you like we were talking about the
act of moving, packing your crap up, you know, getting
the logistics of it, getting yourself to wherever your new home,
is you listen, I still have endnerment.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I still have Wisconsin, I still have a California driver's license.
I haven't there's a bunch of stuff I haven't done.
I'm terrible at it. I mean, that's the best thing.
But when you take the ESPN job, is they just
they onboard you. They do everything. You don't even pick
up anything your house. You just like, hey, make sure
it's relatively clean. They pack all your stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
That's nice. That makes it now they they take it out.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Of your check. Right, there's a credit and whatever and
tax on the credit. But the point is that's the
way to move. But in the act of actually moving
and changing places is nice.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, it's it's good for the soul.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Right, Well so I but I think Kevin RAN's like, yeah,
I've done that. It's middle of the year. It's too hard.
I don't want to move. Do you want to? Like, yeah,
we could not win there, we could not win here.
Devil you know, devil you know, I don't know. I kinda,
I kind of buy it. And and and the one
thing about KD is he's never been somebody who's bist
(26:30):
us any anytime k D has gotten into trouble. He's
got in trouble for being too honest. Right, Yes, So
when he says, hey, I didn't want to move, I
don't want to leave my team. I want to see
this thing through. We'll figure out in the off season.
I don't think he's telling a half truth. I think
he's telling the actual truth.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I think we said yesterday what he did. He had
that Twitter exchange with with somebody yesterday where he said
a lot of truthful things. I thought maybe he was
over overtruthful for the NBA's purpose. But I said that
he's had his career. He's a guy who's had his career.
He's got a ton of money in the bank. He's
gonna go into the Hall of Fame as soon as
(27:12):
he stops playing and waits a necessary time. So it's
like everything he says now I see through that filter,
like he's had his career, Like he's good. I don't
get I don't get this urgency to like, you know,
chase a ring or anything. He just likes to ball
and they'll try to make as much money as he
can before he leaves.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, that's exactly who he is. Stug Gottlieb Show you're
on Fox Sports Radio speaking of coach.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Longtime college basketball coach and college basketball analyst, the host
of Don't at Me, Dan Docketts will join us. Uh momentarily,
we'll do the coach to coach thing. Uh. That's we'll
do the coach coach to coach thing. Call it other coach,
you call it other coach. Hey, coach, it's the best thing.
It's the It's the hey dude of sports. And by that,
(27:58):
I mean, you know you don't know somebody's name. Hey, Hey,
hey dude, what up? Bro? Hey man? How are you? Bro?
Sub dude? Now I just go hey, coach, Hey coach.
I'm not actually a coach anywhere. That's okay. I just
call everybody coach. It's the it's the sports expression of
hey dude.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It's the maestro from Seinfeld. Yes, the guys like the
composer or the conductor of like a military band. And
then it's like, no, please refer to me as maestro.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Did uh? Did you guys see what happened at the
end of the Illinois Wisconsin game last night? So the
end of the Illinois Wisconsin game, the teams line up
and Brad Underwoods Brad Underwoods, coach of Illinois. They get
beat at Wisconsin and he goes and says something to
Greg Guard, his head coach of Wisconsin, and he's and
they're like, we're not shaking hands. We'll just do the
(28:45):
NBA Like hey, you know, goodbye, you know. So then
Underwood goes to the podium and they ask him about it.
He's like, no, look, we've we get the flu running
through our team, so the last thing we want to
do is get somebody else sick. That was incredibly thoughtful.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
They already lost to him. It's like why why you know,
Wisconsin is having their best offensive output since like the seventies,
So they're.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, no, they're incredible.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
They're incredible scoring the ball.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I got a kid with the guy. John Tanji was
probably a big big templayer of the year transfer. You know,
it's a sixth year. You know, he started at Colorada
State and then he was at he was at Missouri
last year. But John Tanji was on the freshman B
team when he was a freshman high school in Omaha,
Nebraska to now being big templary of the year, Like
talk about improvement, but yeah, I just I do wonder
(29:34):
if it was your rival. If you he was like
your O tribal, would you do that?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Like?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Would Illinois do that too? Ohio State? Or Northwestern? Like
I don't know, it's diabolical, but like, hey, I don't
want to get just sick.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
WITHO Minnesota. Do that Wisconsin or vice versa?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Right, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
That would be a little you know, we talk about rivalries.
That'd be a little bit too much like bio warfare.
I think in the college ranks, Well.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
What if it was by a what like what if
he played a team like upcoming in two weeks? You're like, hey, guys, listen,
wipe your nose, get some boogies on it, shake their hands,
and we'll see them in two weeks in their coffee
in the season. That would be diabolical, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Trying to gain an edge, you know, only goes so far.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I think, I where is the cutoff? And listen? If
they didn't get their flu shots, that's on them.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
We are in the cold and flu season.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I'm not allowed to mandate my guys getting their flu shots,
but I remind them on a daily basis, Hey, if
you go right down the hall, they will give you
a flu shot for free. Just got it.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Athletes are also just like just because they're always working
out and they take care of themselves, like their immune
systems are already fantastic.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
They are. But like we had, you know, our starting center.
He got strep and the flu testa positive for both
two weeks ago. So then you know he didn't play
well that weekend. They'll be like, why didn't play well?
I was like, well, because he didn't practice all week
because he was in bed because he was super sick.
So but you know, you can't tell anybody that.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
You just go like, eh, good on Brad Underwood though
that was conscho That's a solid interesting to do.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
It's a solid move. Hey, no, I'm sick, can't shake
your hand. We can do the elbow thing. You guys
want to do the elbow thing? No, no, but thing
with his wave? What his wave? Well wave? What is
what is your limit for when you will limit human contact?
Like do you actually have to feel bad? Have you
felt bad? Do you feel like your symptoms are gone?
(31:22):
For me, I never get sick, so it's not usually
an issue for me. I'm also a big hand washer
because I do shake a lot of hands. But it
does annoy me when people are clearly sick and they're
like sitting next to you sneezing, Like, dude, go somewhere else,
Go somewhere else. Stan Dockets share with us. I think
(31:43):
he is Dan Dockets hosts don't at me on OutKick
every day he joins to the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Pretty solid. You had Brad Underwood on today, right,
he was pretty solid of him to not shake hands
because he didn't want to get Wisconsin sick.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, I mean you're coaching, you know. I mean it's
one of those deals. I remember asking a long time
ago Joey Meyer when he was at the Paul what's
the hardest thing about coach? Hit to Paul and he said,
we always get sick. I said, what do you mean.
He goes, well, we got to go practice. They didn't
have a practice, silly, they got to go up north
the practice at the Rose Month and come back, get
(32:16):
out of the carget in the car, and you get sick.
So yeah, I know what was great. He's like, look,
we are sick as hell. And he went through all
of it, and then Doug He's like, I don't want
to spread it. To the other team. So I told
or he told Greg Guard and then you know, people
made a little bit of a deal on it because
that's what people do. But no, it was a good movement.
They you know, according to Brady, they're bad sick, like
(32:38):
this has been going on for a few weeks and
hopefully they get through it. But you understand it. I mean,
it's crazy how much you're together. One guy gets sick,
everybody gets sick. It's bad.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
It is bad, and they can go through, go through
the team, and then it gets and you know, he's like,
why isn't that team any good? Like, yeah, they're all
sick just right.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
I tried to cancel the game one time. We couldn't play.
I couldn't practice for three days. Guy's puking. We're playing
Northern Illinois, and I'm like, can we move the game
a day or something, because you know, it wasn't really
on TV and now we got to play. I'm like,
all right, who got our ass beat? And I couldn't
even get mad after the game because I didn't even
know if we're gonna have five guys that you know,
(33:16):
every coach you know has a story like that at
some point. I could coach long enough.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
You know, there's obviously a lot of talk post All
Star Games, like every year post All Star Game, we
can plain Alstar Game stinks. I haven't watched it in
years because we all know it stinks. But I would
also tell you that Major League Baseball's All Star Game
isn't entertaining anymore. Pro Bowl is no longer a football game,
not entertaining anymore. What what's happened to? Why aren't All
(33:41):
Star games important to the players anymore?
Speaker 3 (33:45):
I think they don't have pride in it anymore. You know,
back one hundred years ago, Pete Rose runs over Ray Fosch.
I remember that like it was yesterday. I said this
on both of my shows. And until you get player
pride in this, until you get people that are just
doing with the hockey players say, you know they look
pride for each other, pride and playing for you know,
a uniform. If I'm gonna put a uniform on, I'm
(34:06):
gonna play hard, that kind of thing. I think that
is totally completely lost. I do. And I I look
at the NBA and there's a podcast. It's kind of
an interesting podcast. Up and Smoke Matt Barnes and Steven Jackson,
and when they interview guys that aren't Isaiah Thomas or Magic,
(34:26):
and you realize how whacked out these NBA players are,
what clowns and fools they are. And now you know,
I mean the Isaiahs, the Jordans, the Birds, the Magic,
the create that pride, you know, these guys. When you
hear Barnes and Jackson interview people, it's like, well, these
guys are just a bunch of dumbasses that smoke weed
(34:47):
during the season, drink act like idiots, and you know,
and that's what the NBA who people have become. And
it's them telling their stories. You know, you hear Isaiah
or you hear oh what was it? You know, hey, look,
we're not gonna let Kobe embarrass Michael in his last
All Star game. You know, we're not gonna let that happen.
That is not happening. Kobe's this young kid. He ain't
(35:09):
getting forty, you know, against us in the locker room here,
Isaiah tell those stories or you hear Bird tell those
stories or whoever, And that's pride, you just the NBA.
I'm not going to tell you. I don't know the reason.
Maybe it's money. Maybe it's popularity, maybe it's I have
no idea, but man, I'm always fascinated with all these
(35:30):
podcasts out to listen to them. And it's like from
the time Jordan and that crew got done, maybe early
two thousands, through the whatever, it's not the stars, it's
the fringe guys that are kind of good enough, that
are pains in the ass, like a Barnes, like a Jackson,
and you see these other guys on there and you're like, well, man,
(35:52):
the NBA was a mess, and then I think the
current players have just taken that and made it more
las fair. I don't know. That's a long answer to
saying I don't know, but it's it's like poorn right.
The Supreme Court justice can't define it, but I know
it when I see it. There's a hell of a
lack of pride there.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I would, I would, I would agree with you. I
agree with you. How much is the commissioner to blame?
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, I think he stinks. You know, everybody loves him
because he's the woe guy. But Doug, when you players
always always take kindness as weakness, Like the commissioner is
going to leave all this stuff to the players. Really
we're going to give in to the players on every issue. Really,
(36:34):
David Stern didn't built the league that way. David sternbruled
with an iron fish. You're gonna address a certain way.
You're going to talk a certain way. The coaches are
going to address a certain way. You know, you get
out of hand with the officials. It wasn't ahead of
officials that called you. It was David Stern that called you.
You act like an idiot in the press. Commerce. It
wasn't your GM, it was David Stern to call you. Now,
this guy he's given into everything, and you can't give
(36:56):
in the players. You can never get coach. Now, you
said best, I give in the players on things I
don't care about. Hey man, you guys want to go
eat at the Big Wheel or you want to eat
at Butterfields? All right, hey man, you guys want practice
at eight, you want practice at ten? Things you don't
really care about. You don't give into players unimportant issues ever,
under no circumstance. And you know, in this woke whatever
(37:18):
you want to call an era player empowerment, he did,
he does, and players don't stop. Man. It's like always
said about the NC double a rule. Book. You know, guys,
bitchwind them on about the nc double a rule book
being so thick back and death. It ain't the rules,
it's the coaches that learn to break the rules. And
now you got to put a bunch of a denments
(37:39):
in or amendments in and next thing. You know, one
rule that would be half a page is now three
pages because fifteen different coaches found fifteen different ways to
break the rolls. It's the same thing with players in
the NBA. You give them an inside anything, ah man,
they're gonna bitch, wine and moan and figure out a
way around. It's just it's stupid, and you can't be
(38:02):
a leader when you're giving in, giving in, giving in.
I gotta do is look at what David Stern did
for league and compared to what Adam Silver is doing
to the league, and you see a big difference.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
What happens what happens when Lebron leaves the league.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
That's a good question. I don't you know. Bran Underwood
said today, he goes, you know what I think that
Cooper Flagg could do for the NBA in college? Actually
he said what Caitlin Clark's done. And he was talking
about college. But I guess I equated it to the NBA.
I don't think there's anybody and this I sound so negative,
(38:41):
like I'm listening to myself going damn. But you know,
I guess I would ask anybody out there, you tell
me who a likable young star is. I mean, you know,
And one thing about the NBA, man, and this is weird.
Commercials matter. They don't like Michael Tracy McGrady was the
first guy I ever saw get a commercial without ever
(39:02):
doing nothing. Used to be you know, bird and magic,
We're playing Horse and a McDonald's commercial, Michael Jordan's commercial,
Spike Lee legendary Isaiah with the Converse commercials. Barkley dudes
were fun and they were funny, and now you look
at their goofy ass Chad Holger and dressing like a
vampire with you know, I guess, say Gildess Alexander and
(39:23):
they're like, oh, this is stupid. It's ain't the NBA
to get back there. I don't know, I don't know who.
Maybe Webbin Yama, maybe Stephen A. Smith and the rest
are right. You can't have a white born dude Yo
Kitch or don Zik be the face of the NBA.
I don't know, but O Tommy's the face of Major
League Baseball. Messi's the face of United States soccer pretty much.
(39:45):
You know, Can Web and Yama be it? I don't know.
Can can Jokich? Probably? I don't know, But man, right now,
there's not a whole lot of likability among among young
I guess star like Anthony Edwards should be. He seems smart,
you got great smile, good looking dude, but acts like
an idiot half the time.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
On the well, two things, One, I don't think he's
good enough? Yeah, I agree, And then too, he's talented enough,
but he's not. I mean there's a different kind of
dynamic there. And the second thing, I don't even say.
He doesn't want to be I don't be the face league?
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah, I mean why wouldn't you want to be? Why
wouldn't you want to be the face? Why wouldn't you
want your program to be the face of the Horizon League.
I always like playing in Indiana because we are the
face of the Big Ten, and everywhere we went it
was the biggest deal. What do you mean you don't
want to be the face of the league? Facing the league?
Is Jordan facing the league? Is Magic facing the league,
is burd facing the league? Is Lebron facing the league
as Kobe? You don't want to be in that. What
(40:39):
do you want to be going to be Stephen Jackson,
be Matt Barnes smoking weed on a podcast? I mean,
what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Like?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
That's just stupid to me. I saw that comment, and
I'm thinking I gave him the benefit of data. Sorry,
dude's like twenty two guy doesn't know his ass from
third base, but he he you know, but he had
one big playoff game, really and next thing, you know,
oh man, you know he's gonna act like an idiot
every time he get fined, all that kind of stuff,
and he should be the perfect dude. He is good
(41:09):
looking dude when he wants to be. He's really insightful,
pretty smart, kind of likable. But to your point, I
don't want to be the face of the league where
you want to be. You don't want to be Jordan.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Okay, speaking of Indiana, you were the head coach for
a time at Indiana. He played in Indiana and assistant
coach in Indiana as well. Who best guess who's next
head coach the Hoosiers.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
I wish they just higher offer and be done with it.
But everybody's got their opinion. My opinion is that it's
always been that, I mean twenty five years. I don't know.
I think they'll try to get Dusty May. I know
Goodman said that reported that Brad Stevens is out. If
that's true, then they'll probably probably Dusty Mail end up
with a big contract, probably at Michigan. He's going to
(41:53):
Big ten if he wins this weekend. I would think
Beard Beard is a guy that seems to like coach. Honestly,
don't know, I really don't and I do trust Scott
Dowson the a D. I hope they keep that dumb
ass Quinn Buckner out of it. Uh and the rest
of the penny millionaires that run around Indiana who all
apparently get to have a say. Scott Dolson is a
(42:13):
smart kid. I knew him. He was a manager when
I was a senior. He came in as a as
a freshman. I've known him for one hundred years and
he's very smart. He hires signatty. I would like to
see Ben McCollum, I mean Ben McCullum, and Drake is
a terrific terrific basketball coach had a tough night the
other night. But all the dude's done is win four
national championships at Division two. His team he lost everybody
(42:35):
the freeze, took everybody to West Virginia. And he's twenty
three and four or something like that.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I mean he has he does have like two six
years that played for him, two fifth years.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
I don't, Doug, I ain't arguing with you, man, I
played a long ass yea coaching that might be the
best guy. I'm not listening to anybody about Indiana that much.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
No, No, I'm talking about it. I'm talking about Ben McCollum.
I'm actually I always think he just coast him.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
There is no I don't care, there's nobody I'm talking about,
uh two about Indiana. He is, in my opinion, among
the three or four best coaches in the country. I
don't care who he has, and I would love to
see him be the coach in Indiana. I lived everybody.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Is.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, I'm just I was just correctly pointing out that
like he does have a team, he's coached those dudes
for some of those guys for five years. Yeah, the
challenge for him would be in the landscape of can
you do it without the coach?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Shah yeah, yeah yeah. The challenge for this guy to challenge.
I've heard it all. Nobody knows more about this than me.
I'm just gonna say it on national radio. I've listened
to everybody's opinion. This guy, that guy, he would be
a great coach in Indiana. And those are his guys. Yes,
he coaches, but they weren't Division.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
One guys, no question.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
The Division one guys. That's one of the two or
three best coaches I've seen in college basketball. And that's
all my fatass does is watch college basketball.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Great, all right, we'll talk to you next time.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Okay, all right, Sorry if I offended you.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
You didn't offend me. I was actually agreeing with you.
But Bud just contextualized that's Dan dockets. Don't at me
on OutKick. I just you know Ben McCollum as the
head coach of Drake for people to know, he wasn't.
He was at Northwest Missouri State. They won four national titles.
We played against him. He's really good, really really good,
and we were, you know, down three starters and it
(44:32):
was somehow a miracle. That thing was like a we lost.
I think by eight, but it was a two point
game with you know, four and change to go. So
but he's he's tremendous. The challenge for McCollum would be,
you step up in weight class. His point guard is
good enough to play in Indiana or anywhere in the country,
(44:52):
is really good. But you'd have all new guys and
when you're used to having continuity every year, like even
Bill self, Look how much they are struggling when you
go into the portal and you're not used to recruiting
that way. Yes, uh uh yes, Sam.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
You and Ben McCollum. You you guys related kind of
look alike. I see you look at Ben McCollum, like,
there's shades of Doug Gottliebs.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
There got white guys. We were seeding hairlines.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
I don't know, just like the the your your.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
White guys, we were seeding hairlines. That's that's what it is.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
It's more than that. It's like, what do you call it?
Your your your generally people? Rome, you have a complexion
that similar to Ben McCauley.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Rome, Matt and Natos Yees prom.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yes. When Prum was at I was State, I was like,
definitely shades of Doug Gottlieb. Also Ben McCollum.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Born Rome was at Missouri back at Murray State.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Murray State. Yeah, and is he back there? Yeah yes,
Murray State, Iowa State, back to Murray State, Yes, yes, yes,
quite the he did. He did pretty good at Iowa stage,
just you.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Know, different, incredible, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
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