March 1, 2025 • 49 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Week Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: As more voices have come out against the Tush Push play that the Eagles have mastered, Doug responds to Philly head coach Nick Sirianni's case for not banning the play.
Doug welcomes former 3-time World Series Champion Curt Schilling onto the show to talk about the Dodgers, ABS and all of the other major headlines around MLB.
During this version of The Midway, Doug and the crew talk about the Matthew Stafford situation and something Chase Daniel said about it.
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that the most famous play in Steelers history is technically
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an illegal play, right, and or it's illegal now. And
this tush push seems to be on the brink of
being illegal as well. So the touch push arguments continue
to pick up a steam. The combine is kind of
the facto convention for NFL front office and coaches. Here's
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Bill's head coach Sean McDermott, when he was asked why
he'd be in favor of banning the touch push.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
To me, there's always been an injury risk with that play,
and I've expressed that opinion for the last couple of
years or so when it really started to come into
in the play the way it's being used, especially.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
You know, a year ago.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So I just feel like, you know, players safety and
the health and safety of our players has to be
at the top of our game, which it is. It's
just that play to me, has always been a or
the or the way that the techniques that are used
with that play, to me have been potentially contrary to
the health and safety of the players. And so again
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you have to go back, though in fairness to the
to the injury data on the play, but I just
think it to the optics of it, I'm not in
love with.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Okay, here's that Nick Sirianni. He's the head coach and
the guy who's executed the Tousch Push to another super
Bowl and this won a Super Bowl win. He addressed
all the band the Toush Push talk.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I almost feel a little insulted because we work so
hard at that play, the amount of things that we've
looked into how to coach that play, the fundamentals, there's
always there's a thousand plays out there, but it comes
down to how you teach the fundamentals and now how
the players go through it and do with the fundamentals.
I can't tell you how many times we practice the snap.
We practice the play because it's not a play that
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it's easy to practice. There are different ways we figured
out how to practice it. The compliments that come off
of it that can create explosive plays. We saw it
in big time games this year, and like the fact
that it's an automatic thing that like, we work really
really hard and our guys are talented at this play,
and so it's a little insulting to say it's just
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just you know, we're good at it. So it's automatic.
We work really hard at it. It's a skill that
our team has because of the players that we have,
the coach and the way the coaches coach it. The
fact that it's a successful play for the Eagles, and
people want to take that away, I think it's a
little a little unfair.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, Look, do I think there's technique with it? Yes,
I think there's definitely an art and a skill to it,
and you have to practice it, and I'm sure there's
some parts of the technique which you can use in
other parts of blocking. But the reality is it's super unique.
Now people have copied it, they have copied it to
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less success than the Eagles. They are the best at
doing it. And this despite the fact they lost Jason
kelce to retirement, where a lot of people are like, well,
a lot of it is Jason Kelcey is so small
and so flexible. And then of course you have Jalen Hurts,
who's just a monster in the weight room. Like all
of those were thoughts on why there's so much better
at it, and I'm sure there's some technique to it.
Here's where I'll defend the coaches in term of players safety.
(04:02):
One thing that's not said, Okay, so my team and
you're like, what's basketball on my team? Over the past
two weeks has had or three weeks, has had three concussions. Now,
part of was two guys banging into each other. But
one of the things we started the year as one
of the worst rebounding teams in the country. Part of
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it was by design. We were playing small and we
you know, our big guys. We had a couple that
were not eligible, been hurt, et cetera, et cetera. Et cetera.
And some of it's just we're playing small and that's
what you have to try and fight through and be
super efficient at the offensive end in order to be successful.
But in order to practice rebounding, hey practice rebounding you yet?
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Can you do it with pads? Yeah? We do with
pads all the time, all the time. But there's nothing
like boxing out another body, and you have to practice it,
practice and practice, and what happens is when you put
your biggest bodies one, there's either a fight or an injury.
That's what happens. And I use that as a parallel
to football because that particular play like it's different than
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anything else you're gonna practice. And while you may think like, well, okay,
where's the injury data in the game, you have to
practice playing against it. In order to practice playing against it,
you have to have an offensive line that's gonna push
out super super low and you have to practice force
on force. And my guess is that part of it
is like when they say injury, they don't just mean
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injury during games, they mean injuries in practice. Would your
life be affected greatly, Dan Byer if the tush push
went away?
Speaker 5 (05:40):
No, it wouldn't be affected greatly. But I do think
and I understand your point about the practice and the injuries,
but I think that saying that it's an injury risk
is the only way for them to disprove this or
to get this play eliminated.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
I mean years past, prior to allowing this, you weren't
allowed to push your player forward in any instance, whether
it be at the fifty yard line or at the
goal line. We've now seen stops with a whistle isn't blown,
and there's just a massive humanity, and the crowd actually
loves that play. They love it when you're running back
gets six or seven yards because the linemen come downfield
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and push that massive humanity. That really isn't different in
terms of what the play does than the tush push
in getting that shove. But I do think that if
the play does result in more injuries at the one
yard line, then it would be something that they would
look into. But I just don't remember many injuries from that,
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and that's why I think it's kind of an excuse
to get it banned, as it's the only way that
they're going to be able to do so it's saying
it's such an injury risk.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
I don't think that.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
It's as an unstoppable play as everyone thinks it is,
just because the Eagles run it so well. And kudos
to Siriani for developing this a TikTok clip actually of
what he did with the Colts and how this kind
of all originated with Jacoby Brissette when Philip Rivers was
the guy. So for him to not find a loophole,
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but find a way to make this a successful play
and what the pieces you have.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
I don't think it should be banned, Chase do anything.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
But I think Dan's exactly right. He mirrors my thoughts
on it. Seems to be the way to get anything
changed is to go to player safety. If you cry
player safety, then people have to listen. And again, how
much data have we seen with these concussions? How much
data have we seen coming off the you know, the
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practices or lack of practices and soft tissue injury. They
have data on everything, and I just haven't seen any
data on this that shows that it's a danger in
practice or in the games.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
I also think it's a much safer play than handing
it off to your running back and watching him go
airborne over a pile of massive human vanity at the
one yard line where he could get clocked or clock
someone else that's also trying to meet him six feet
up in the air, trying to prevent him from going
into the end zone.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
Yeah, and like Guta const I think, came out today
and confirmed that the Packers, you know, were the team.
And it's like, I think, Sirianni, that was a long
way of saying this. If don't ban it, just learn
how to stop it or do it yourself. If everyone
does it, then that'd be cool. But yeah, I don't.
(08:30):
I don't see what the band does. It seems like
it's teams being lazy and not wanting to coach against it.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Well, technically you're not allowed. You're not supposed to be
able to push somebody, right, that's like against the rule,
is it?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
You're not this should call a penalty on him, and
it used to you you wouldn't be able to do that,
but like the bush push, Yeah, but now it's completely allowed.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Well it allowed or is it legal? Right?
Speaker 6 (08:55):
It's just not No, it's legal.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
So what about the play? It's that how low they
get and they take out guy's legs. Is that the deal.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
The leverage on the play I think is the key
portion of it. But what makes it I think they
feel so successful are the two guys behind him, behind
the quarterback and Jalen Hurts and pushing him forward.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
But yeah, I just think if you make it so
you can't push the guy forward, then the player.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
I just think that the Eagles just have the one
of the best offensive lines in football, and so it
works with them. I guarantee the Lions would do it
if they didn't have Jared Goff as their quarterback. If
you had someone like Jalen Hurts as your quarterback, I'm
sure that they would probably do the exact same thing,
because that's their advantage over the other team, is their
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offensive line.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Of course, Josh Allen's season came to an end in
no small part because they couldn't execute it properly.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
And this is a very small sample, but the guys
on get up this morning, so there's three football players.
Foxworth and a couple other guys. Greene came out and
said that it's unsightly and it's boring and you're gonna
lose viewers, and each football player who played the game
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completely disagreed with that. It's boring, I guess, but like
if you have Jalen Hurts on your fantasy team, it
certainly isn't boring. You know, if you're an Eagles fan,
that certainly isn't boring. It's stop it.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It's boring to watch.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
It's effective, though.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Again I'm not saying it's not effective. It's boring to watch.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
You had Jalen Hurts on your fantasy team, right, I did. Yeah,
you profited from.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
It, I blistened to I. Again, I'm playing by the rules,
you know, playing by the rules. So I'm not disputing
that it's effective, and I'm simply saying I believe that
the safety issue is is it a bit of a
cop out? Sure? Is it probably a reality of trying
to practice against it. Yes, you could just you could
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describe it as the perfect play for a quarterback, right,
where you have the quarterback who benches or squats however
many pounds, six hundred punds whatever he squats, and he's
able to use that, which is part of quality coaching, right,
find something your guys do well and lean into that,
and they do it exceptionally well. It is I don't
know if it unsightly is the word that I would use.
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It's not a particularly pretty place. It's messy, but it's
it's super effective. It's super effective.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
I do have some clarification.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
This is from an LA Times article in twenty twenty two.
Mike Pereira spoke with the LA Times, and in two
thousand and five the league clarified their stance where you
weren't allowed to push or pull a runner into the
end zone or I guess, on any any point to
the field. What Pereira said was that the league found
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that pulling ball carriers was easy to rule on. It
was pushing that was difficult. So in the example that
I gave about a ball at the forty yard binding,
you just have this massive humanity and two or three
linemen run down field and end up pushing that pile.
How can you legislate that? What Pereira said here was
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that the NFL just decided, okay, it's all right to push,
considering there's so many instances where they found it difficult
to actually officiate what was pushing and who was pushing who,
and who was touching who in that regard. So it's
been around apparently a lot longer than I had thought.
I thought or maybe decade at the most, but apparently
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it's been for about twenty years now.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I had no idea, And obviously this switch that'll be,
this change that's made, because then that doesn't change any
of the blocking up front. If you want to go
low with the blocking, if you want your quarterback to
go low, fine, which you can't have is to push
from behind. And I'm with you, guys, I don't think
it's a true safety safety issue in the game. Although
you know how many times have we heard guys say,
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you know, when you get to those you know, the
victory formation, you know you don't want defensive linemen shooting
out of people's legs. Well, in this particular case, you
have to shoot out some of his legs if you
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I mean, I look, the story of the day is
the reaction to last night, which is Luka Doncik and
the Lakers beat the map Eicks. And stop me if
you heard this before Anthony Davis was out with an injury,
You're like, no, Anthony Davis hurt. No, that never happens.
But he didn't play against his former team, and so
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the you know, Luke had a triple double, but by
his own account, didn't play great. Lebron James closed the
game pretty well and the Lakers end up with a
big win. So that look, that's that's probably the main topic.
But it is a regular season game, and Anthony Davis
didn't play, and everybody's kind of had their their run
at it, if you will, at discussing it. So what
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we do every day at this time, every week, at
this time is it's the middle of the show, the
middle of the week, the middle of the day, we
get to the midway. He's not getting in the middle.
It's time for the midway, Jay stew what's our midway topic?
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
So I saw this on a podcast. Diana Russini does
a podcast for The Athletic and she has a former
NFL backup quarterback, Chase Daniel, as a co host. And
I was frankly alarmed by what he said. And I
just want to see if you if you three had
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the same reaction I did, so for our listeners. This
is Chase Daniel and Diana Russini on a podcast for
the Athletic.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Matthew goes out, sees that there's no market for him
at the price he wants, and the Rams say, all right,
we'll bring it back for forty million.
Speaker 8 (15:38):
Like, don't you think that's a fairty?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
No?
Speaker 9 (15:42):
What, Diana, your too much front office speak? Forty million
is a travesty?
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
If he gets.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
Forty million, I would, at this point, to be completely
honest with you, from a player's perspective, I would retire.
He's already I think number one or number two in
the most career earnings in NFL history. This contract would
easily put him at number one. If you're offering forty million,
at some point you got to be like, hold up,
Trevor Lawrence is making fifty three two is making that
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much money. Dak's making sixty million dollars. I am ten
times better than these. I'm a dog, I'm a warrior,
like knuckle like. It just depends on you know.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I would just.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
Feel so disrespective. I was Stafford if they if they
offer me a forty million dollar deal.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
So when I heard this, I thought about Dan Byer
and my dinner at Ruth Chris and New Orleans during
the week of the Super Bowl, and I thought about
Chase Daniel being with a bunch of like current quarterbacks,
oh and racking up a three thousand dollars dinner tab.
And this is what you would say to other quarterbacks
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or other players. Forty million as a travesty, you should
just retire. But if you're if you want to do
analyst work, and do you want to be a podcaster
slash broadcaster. I don't know if something like this could
be a worse thing to say, because no one that
you're podcasting too can relate to any of that. I
(17:13):
was my sensibilities were offended. I want to get your guys' thoughts.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I mean, that's the worst sounding audio I've ever heard. No, wait, wait,
so and again. Not only is there, it's not just
a disconnect with fans, it's a disconnect with anybody who
understands business. Here's what I mean. Okay, what are you worth?
What are you worth? Jay Stu? What are you worth?
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How much is each person worth at their place of work?
Speaker 7 (17:45):
I would say I'm worth at leaves one hundred and
seventy five thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
You're worth as much as someone will pay you.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
You're worth what well I thought you were being literal.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Okay, yeah, I am being literal and literally you're worth
what someone.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Will pay Jason too for a raise.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
They are Yeah, I mean like it's the I've used
this analogy before, but it's like I used to have
a beautiful piano and it was a grand piano, and
I bought it from an older couple that had a
store on what's that street in Boston and everybody shops
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on It's really cool, I'll think of it anyway, Boilston Street. Yeah,
they had a shop on Bolston Street and the older
gentleman was like, son, this piano is worth eleven thousand dollars.
I just had it assessed. It's worth eleven thousand dollars.
And I said, sir, I don't know you, but you
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just had listed on an online auction and the reserve
was twenty five hundred dollars and no one bid on it,
and no one bid on it. So it can theoretically
be worth whatever number you want, but it's actually worth
what someone will pay you. I use that analogy for
Matt Stafford. If Matt Stafford was worth more than forty
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million dollars, he would get an offer for more than
forty million dollars for somebody else. But he's not. So,
in addition to being completely lost in terms of how
it sounds, completely lost and how it sounds and how
it lands on irregular American citizen football fan, forty million dollars,
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I would retire. That's the actual sound from Chase Daniel.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I am outrating.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I am an outrage. I can't believe it. How dare
you offer me forty million dollars to live in Los
Angeles and play?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (19:42):
I could BUYE maybe hey my bills or put food
on the table.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And remember if you played for Sean McVay, you aren't
playing preseason and the second game in the in the
ragulus saying doesn't matter is that that's out too. How
dare you pay me that money when we've already established
there is no market for you. If there was a
market for you, then that deal would be made elsewhere.
It sounds out of touch up to and frankly, it
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sounds like somebody who doesn't understand the most basic premise
of business, which is you are worth what someone's willing
to pay you.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
But I would also say, Doug taking out the extraordinary
number in this, I believe a bit of what Chase
Daniel is saying is also of what you are saying
in that conversation, because when Chase Daniel explains that Matthew
Stafford has the most money, and all of that's fine,
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we're fixated on the forty million dollars. It's just the
fact of at this point, that person with the piano
could be like, all right, I'm not going to sell it. Yeah,
I'm not gonna just not gonna sell it. I'm not
going to go that way. And that's where Stafford could
be like, well, I'm not going to play. Then it's
just you know, that's it's my choice. I'm not there's
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no way. I'd rather just take a complete loss on it.
What's so and hold on to it then to actually
play for the forty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Jase Do, Derek Carr.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
And Aaron Rodgers had thirty seven and a half million
dollar annual salaries most recently. Then you get down to
Geno Smith at twenty five million. But pretty much everybody
is looking down on Matthew Stafford's forty that isn't fully
established in the league or on a rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, listen, I get it. But again, if if somebody
wants Matthew Stafford for upwards of forty million dollars, there's
a deal to be made there. And if there's not
a deal we made because he doesn't want to move, well,
then again that you're limiting yourself. And if there was
you know, fifty million dollars out there and he can
find that offer, well, by all means, the Raiders won't
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pay Hi fifty million dollars. The Rams will go here,
You go go ahead.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
The interesting part about this is I think that there
are teams that will pay him fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
It's just what they're teams that he'll go to.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yeah, and what do the Rams want in return for it?
Like does the value match? And that's what's a little tricky.
I thought initially, Doug that when this conversation was thrown out,
that the Rams are just like, maybe we'll just get
a great offer.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
I said.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
I used the example of you're not really looking to move,
but if someone's going to give you enough money to
make you move, you'll do it. So let's just put
the house up for sale and see what we get.
That's what I kind of thought the Rams were doing.
Now as we found out more about the situation, it's
more complex and deeper than that. But I think that
there would be teams, if you're the Raiders or the
Giants or any of those teams.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
You know, fifty million dollars. I don't want to say
it's cheap, but.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Yeah, considering the quarterback problems that those teams have had
the last couple of years, I don't think they'll have
a problem doing it. It's what do you give up
with the Ram? Give up to the Rams now to
be able to do that sort of deal. I know,
it's kind of strength from the thing.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
There's a buyer beware element to it in that, you know,
McVeigh move mountains to get him, won a Super Bowl
with him, and now mcbay's allowing him to walk out
the door. You're like, what do we not? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Agree with that?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Not no, And my guest can only be And what
you don't know or what we assume, is that Matt
Stafford is going to retire at the end. You know,
every year he threatens to retire and he doesn't want
to get hit, right, remembered any of the spine thing
at the end of last season, and his wife is
always hinted at him retiring. And so we talked about
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this with Aaron Rodgers. No one likes to get hit
as a quarterback, but the older guys no desire to
step in and get hit. And that's what the position
requires if you want to win the whole thing. And so,
whether it's the guts to take a hit or the
desire to do so, the need for a multi year contract,
the fact that he's one hard hit away from shutting
it down retiring, I don't think it's an arm strength
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or an ability issue, especially if he's still playing in
a dome like he'd be in Vegas. But my guess
is that part of what limits his viability elsewhere is
wait a second, Sean McVay loved you, jettisoned a good
quarterback to Detroit to get you, and now we're supposed
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to take you on when you've talked of retiring the
last two offseasons. What are we missing here? What are
we missing here?
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I think everybody's got a breaking point at some point
where if something happened in a place of employment that
you would say like, Okay, well that's the straw that
broke the camel's back, or in a.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Situation of hey, you know then and then I wouldn't be.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Able to work there anymore. And I think that's to
the point of this whole sound bite is apparently the
straw is forty million dollars, which is unrelatable to so many.
But what I think is relatable is Matthew Stafford not
feeling respected at work. He just has the ability to
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walk away from it, where most people in their normal
lives don't have that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
It's a great point.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
I better be a nice straw for forty million.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
Forty million is a travesty midway.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
It sounds is that Jase dou Is that kind of
the essence of this No, No, I mean there are
several layers and that's what the midway is all about.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Here.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
You you give your first reaction to hearing that. My
first reaction was from like someone like who's had a
career in uh, you know, talent and broadcasting. If I
was to give Chase Daniel media training, I'm like, I
would say, you can't say that out loud. In other words,
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everyone loves, you know, a guy just to say what's
on his mind and be honest. But if you want
to be a successful broadcaster slash podcaster, you need to
keep those words in that conversation among other rich guys
that played the game, and it's not really a good
thing to just say out loud.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
I took zero offense to it. I was not bothered
in the least. It's a it's a it's a world
that I am unfamiliar with. But yeah, you're used to
discussing salaries in that range. I just like, yeah, maybe
it's not like real money to me, it's more of
like a ranking.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I just think it was the tone so tone deaf.
Speaker 10 (26:21):
He was trying to be entertaining and with his delivery dynamic,
and yeah, that's what Chase Daniel's trying to do post NFL.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
But listen for someone.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
I remember I did a show with a former NBA
player a long time ago here Fox Sports Radio. And
there there comes a time where like you have no
This was.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Sam and Kareem, right, this was the Salmon Kareem Show
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Yeah sure, yeah, sure, uh no.
Speaker 10 (26:45):
I mean like I was running the board for this show,
and but I had a conversation with this former player
and he made he made good money in the in
the NBA, but nothing, you know, nothing like you know,
some of the top stars are paid now. But he
he said that like you become you start getting millions
of dollars in pay in and you change you You
go from like, oh I made seventy million and you
(27:06):
could have made another fifteen And he's like and I'm like,
that's you already made seventy million dollars, So you're you're
better off than ninety nine percent of people in this
country or ninety five percent.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
And he's like, oh, okay, whatever it is.
Speaker 10 (27:18):
Whatever the status, if you have seventy million dollars, you're
better off than a lot of people, a lot of
millions and millions and tens of millions. But his point
was that he's like his he's like, you always want more,
and to me, that struck me. But it also didn't resonate,
Like I couldn't relate to it because I was like,
one million dollars would change my life forever.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And it's like people's perspective is what you're saying, they do.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
They become out of touch.
Speaker 10 (27:42):
And so when you're like a gas to forty million,
there's there's a there's a divide between this country, between
the working class and the ultra rich, and it's never
been on display more than right now.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I'll give you an example. Okay, so I'm actually broadcast
today from a good friend of mine, Kirk Boss's company.
It's called Merrill Luck. It's it's in Green Bay, right,
So as you I don't know if I told you guys.
Did I tell you guys that my car got hit
by a snowplow? No?
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Was was this during the oh?
Speaker 7 (28:08):
No?
Speaker 6 (28:08):
This was this was in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, this is like two weeks, like a week and
a half ago.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Was this your crab walker. Yeah, yeah, it's not walking
crabs anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
It's it is well, it's in that it's silver and
bergs from it's getting so anyway, yeah, so I'm so
I I have a I had like, look it'll sound
when when people know I have a hummer ev like,
oh whatever. I bought a demo, okay, got a deal
in a demo and my previous car which burned up
(28:37):
in the fires, I don't fraight years.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Didn't it also get hit by a snowplow but they
were trying to right.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Hit by the fires. It was literally yeah, yes, actually.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
It didn't get bulldoze. It wasn't snowplotter was bulldozed the
full dose.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So anyway, so like yeah, two weeks ago, actually the
visiting bus from northern Kentucky banged into a car that
banged into mind we have video of it. And then
the next day I'm at practice and I pull out
a practice and the snowplous like parked in the lane
and I'm like twenty yards behind it and I'm trying
to figure out where it's going and then he just
(29:11):
puts in reverse and jams back into me. Didn't see
me at all and screws of my car. Well, those
cars apparently the parts are kind of rare. It's going
to be a while, right, And so they they gave
me the keys to a brand new Escalade, but the
Escalade Electric one. It's literally the nicest car I've ever
(29:32):
driven my life. But I told the guys, like, I
can't drive this anywhere in Green Bay. They're like, why not,
It's just an escalator, Like it's one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars car. I can't drive this anywhere, Like there's
no relatability at all. So I pull up and you know,
everyone will will think you're something that you're not.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
But your your Hummer is much cheaper, much cheaper, much cheaper, much.
Speaker 10 (30:00):
Because I would have thought that fancy crabwalk and hummer
would be up there as well.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
There's there's there's deals on him. Like I said, it
was a demo. It was a lot less. My hummer
was basically the price of brand new trucks are really
expensive now. I don't know if you guys know they
are basically price No, no, no, it's demo. Uh it
was not in the six figure variety.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
No, I'm saying, But like f one fifties are like,
I don't know, seventy.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Seventy or eighty thousand dollars. Yes, that's how much a
brand new, big old truck is. And so when I
was weighing the two, I was like, I don't know,
I like this one, and it's saying I'm gonna get
this anyway. Point is like, you gotta have relatability. And
I understand Chase Daniels was in the NFL for a
long time and those numbers don't and the numbers are
(30:42):
what they are, but it was the way in which
it landed where you're like, what play that for me
one more time? Sam, forty million is a travesty. The
point me is a travesty, a tray.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
He's stuck in the context of, Yeah, what Dan was
talking about, like the ranking of salaries, and a lot
of people can't relate to it.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
But it's just like this mythical kind of money figure
in your mind.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
And so I get like when he said the Trevor
Lawrence and again part of it is we're not actually, no,
everybody's The NFL players are so dishonest with these salaries, right,
because whatever their salary is, most of it is signing
bonus upfront, right, and then their actual salary is pretty minimal,
and then the back end they never actually get, so
all the money they got in the first year, like
(31:30):
in the first three months of the contract, and then
they bury the money so that it doesn't hurt the
cap all that much. And so if he said, hey,
he should make more than Trevor Lawrence, he should make more,
but to do the forty million dollars is a travesty
when he just said there was no market for him,
just sounds like somebody who doesn't understand the basic privacy
of business, which, as I said, is you're worth what
(31:52):
somebody's wanting to pay you. Whatever they pay Trevor Lawrence
doesn't matter. It's what they're willing to pay you. And
that's the midway.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, I got hit by a snowplow and I didn't
get hit by I was in the car. But it
was one of those like what is this guy doing?
Speaker 8 (32:11):
This is the best of the Don dot Leab Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. You're on Fox Sports Radio.
And as we get ready for another baseball season, who
would be better to talk about baseball than a guy
who was six time All Star, a three time World
Series champion. He was a World Series MVP, and oh one,
of course he was two times strikeout leader. And you
know he's in the Red Sox Hall of Fame. Kurt
(32:39):
Chilling joins us here on the Doug Gottleb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Kurt, how are you well?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
As tough coach?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
How you brother?
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I'm good? Man? How are you?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I'm good? I need healthy players in a win. But
other than that, as a guy who was part of
the I would say most glorious era of baseball my
life time right when you were part of the Red
Sox and you had the incredible come back and win
the World Series. But back then it was the Yankees
spending the Red Sox spending as well. There's a lot
(33:09):
of talk in the off season over how much the
Dodgers have spent after already going out and getting show
Hey last summer, what do you think of how the
Dodgers have handled success?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I want to be a Dodger? He is?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I mean, come on, well, listen.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
One thing I know about sports is that the highest payroll, well,
it certainly correlates to some success it never guarantees anything
in a sport where the schedule is really a war
of attrition, even more so, I mean, you know right now,
and we do this every year, right, the Dodgers have
(33:47):
supplanted the Yankees as the most hated franchise in sports
and all the things to go with that. So every
sport needs an art filling, right. Yeah, in nineteen ninety nine,
nobody knows who Tom Brady and the Patriots were. Twenty
years later, everybody hates their guns. What changed, Well, they
won and now we're watching it. You know, you see
(34:08):
what the chiefs. But baseball's different because of the lack
of a salary cap and all the things to go
with that, so people can spend what they want. And
at the end of the day, as a former player
and a player rep and someone who set out missed
and lost money because we fought for rights, I'm happy
for him. But you know, this plays out every year,
(34:30):
and if it wasn't the Yankees, it would be somebody
else but the Yankees. And I think what happened was
there was the shark got jumped a little bit in
the sense that the Yankee or the Dodgers just did
some insane stuff. But weren't they saying this about the
Mets two years ago?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
And yeah, Padres as well, right, I mean it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
And mun have a World Series ring, so boohoo, you know,
I mean, it doesn't guarantee you think. I I think
if you're if you're living in Detroit, you're pissed, and
rightly so. But but I got to tell you, Doug,
and this is something I think you you probably have
seen throughout sports. If you're in the if you're a
(35:14):
fan of a team and you have a bad five
year run, you can look at players and coaches and
personnel changes and draft strategies and trades and whatnot. You
have a bad ten year run, your owner sucks. Period.
The only continent in these things is the ownership of
these groups, right and and and when a team is
continually bad, it's because of bad ownership. And can team's
(35:38):
continually good, it's usually the same thing. And I don't
think this is any different. I think, you know the
mccourts and how they screwed that franchise up. They got
this thing fixed pretty quickly in LA. And you know,
is it bad for baseball? I don't think your people
are going to go to the game, in fact, to
think more because everybody's going to want to see that
Dodger roster.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Okay, how about how about this? Obviously you got hurt
the next year after you guys won the World Series.
And I know the Dodgers won the COVID World Series,
but most people don't take that to mean what last
year actually meant to the Dodgers, Right? What set you're
like though, when there's so much build up And granted
it wasn't you know, the Curse of the Bambino. It
(36:17):
wasn't even the White Sox who beach the next year, right,
and they had their own purse, But what's it like
that next year when you've accomplished a goal that that
was the sole focus of every fan, every player. I
remember the front li you finally get there. What's it
like that next year?
Speaker 3 (36:32):
The next year? It has everything to do with the
with the personalities in the clubops. And again I'm talking
to the things that you know, you have to have
the right people. And it's one of the beauties of sabermetrics.
Sabermetrics can't define leadership and it can't quantify things that
you know as a coach, matter. And if you if
(36:54):
you go back and look at oh for and you
look at you know, theo Epstein and moneyball and saber metrics,
and they were huge fans of it and they believed it.
But what they also had there's a there's a there's
a middle ground for everything, and sabermetrics is certainly one
of those things. You know, it works, but it's not
one hundred percent infallible. If I don't think it can.
I don't think you can win in the postseason with
(37:14):
sabermetrics baseball at all. And I think tamping Blake Smell
Blake Smell getting pulled prove that. But the fact of
the matter is, you got you got to have, uh,
a middle ground. You got to have agreement, and we
didn't have well we had we had some injuries, and
the White Sox did what the White Sox did. But
you've got to have buy in from the players, and
(37:36):
you have to have some somebody leaning on the group
in the room.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
And it can't be the manager. I don't think, you know,
Terry's very even keeled than he was. And you know,
we didn't come back in an OH four or five
and say, oh my god, we have something to defend.
We knew what we had to do. Some players were
better for it, some players March and I don't think
we were a better team in All five by any
strets than we were in or.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Stuck Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio, Kurt Schilling
is our guest. Six time All Stars, three time World
Series Champion, World Series MVP is kind of to join
us if we're getting closer and closer to first pitch
in Major League Baseball. Okay, if you were going to
advise show, hey, would you advise him to come back
and pitch?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
You know, one of the challenging things about somebody that's
that good And I'm giving you a political punden answer
rather than he yes. So I don't his makeup. I
think that is such that he's pitching like like, I
don't think this was even a thought for him. Why
(38:44):
would I not pitch, right? I mean, because I don't
know if I'm the Dodgers how I feel about it.
But you got to remember something. We're not talking about
throwing a fourth starter out there. We're talking about throwing
the best pitcher on the staff when he's out there,
and that's a pretty talented staff. So I don't I
don't know if we ultimately ultimately, here's the answer to
(39:07):
the question, right, you and I know this. It doesn't
matter what you want, it's what the player wants. If
he doesn't want to pitch, then he's not going He
wouldn't try. And if he wants to pitch, are you
truly going to stop him other than just saying, hey,
we're not going to give you the ball, Well, then
you know what, you create a whole other situation that
nobody wants to deal with.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Kurk chillings our guests here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what about the Yankees, what's
your assessment of their roster trying to trying to fix
what went wrong last year in the World Series.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Well, what went wrong was they had an inning you
can't have They they showed you the defense matters, and
they showed you that your weakest link sometimes will come
and bite you in the ass at the worst possible time.
I don't know that they were fixing anything. They lost
the best hitter in baseball, or let's just say, one
(40:04):
of the four or five generational talents in baseball. Sure,
so so I think they made some great signs. I
like what I've always been a Cashman fan because I
think he's worked under that that family crest for a
long time, and he thinks he's done an amazing job.
You know that they lost Sono, and you know they
(40:28):
were in on everything else obviously, because they always are.
They're in a tough division. I think, you know, the
big question this year becomes, I know, I know, I
saw yesterday Stanton's up in New York looking He's at
the doctors trying to figure out something's wrong. So you
can you know, what are you looking at? One hundred
games from from Gene Carlo this year? But the big
(40:49):
question becomes, how is Aaron Judge going to react to
not having one so hit behind him? Now, Aaron Judge
was one of the best hitters on the planet and
in existence before so join the team, so there's reason
to expect him to be you know, it's gonna come
down to how the line of pits around him. But
you know, for me, I'm biased, I know it, but
everything comes down to pitching.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Speaking of pitching, skins, I'm gonna say, Skans, you go,
I don't I don't need to lead you at all.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
I would pay to watch him. Few guys he's he's
I don't think people have seen anything like this, uh
in their lifetime, and that that's one of the things
about baseball right now, is that that there's so much
talent out there that nobody's ever seen before. In my opinion,
Paul Skiing is special. Now I'm going to give him
the Justin Berlander bump, because anybody that talented does not
(41:44):
have a girlfriend that that hot. But but he is.
He is a special and so I'm a little biased.
I grew up a pirate fans. I'm watching him pitch.
I gotta tell you, here's my thing. And I said
this when he came up, and I mean no disrespect
because he is a generational talent. But he's a max
effort guy. And that scares me because the human body
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is not conditioned to throw a baseball, and the more
effort you put into it, the harder it is on
your body.
Speaker 7 (42:14):
Now.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I know he works his butt off, I know he
takes care of his arm, but sometimes there are things
that just don't matter. I fear it. And I said, hey,
four hundred innings was my over under. He was going
to have Tommy John before he pitched four hundred innings
in the big leagues. I hope I'm wrong, because he
is good for the game. He is a must watch.
(42:34):
But you know, go back remember Kerry Woods, right, I mean,
you remember Mark Bryer. Remember, I mean, and it's a
tough world too, And I you know, there are certain
things that you know, you know in life. If somebody
would ask you about, you know, basketball and a specific
piece of basketball, you could answer it and you in
(42:56):
your mind, you'd think, I know this as well as
anybody alive. I understand pitching, I think as well as
anybody has ever lived. And when Mark Pryor came out
of college and people talk about him having perfect mechanics,
and I saw him throw one pitch, and when those
are the worst mechanics I've ever seen in a sense,
as a short arm, I'm watching guys who people talk
(43:17):
about and I'm thinking to myself, that's not true, that
that's not even. And so when you see Paul Skins throwing,
I gotta tell you it's it's the reason we're watching
Tommy John multiply by factor of ten. Unfortunately, but again
I'm not hoping this happens I want him to stay healthy.
I just think being a max effort guy is going
(43:38):
to end up being a reason that physically it's going
to be very challenging for this guy to stay healthy.
And I hope that I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
So that's so funny because prior I remember watching broadcasts,
everybody say, prior perfect mechanics, and then all of a sudden,
oh yes.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Dude, it's mechanics were literally the opposite of perfect. He
was a short, arming guy who was a dart thrower,
and and that just isn't healthy, not to mention, impossible
to command.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Other than that, missus Lincoln, how was the show? Is
that what you're telling me?
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Excuse me, Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Okay, abs, okay, the idea of essentially eliminating the umpire
in these close balls and strikes. What's your feeling on it.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Well, here's what we know, right, We talked about the
replay system in first base. Come to find out umps
are missing fifty percent of the calls, right, I mean,
that's not a marginal number. If the quote unquote best
in the world, and major g umpires are by no
stretch the best in the world. Let's just be clear.
But if we're defining the best in the world, we're
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only getting it right fifty percent of the time. You're
talking about and here's where I probably separate myself. You're
talking about You're not talking about sport, talking about eleven
billion dollars a year, business in which guys are making
forty fifty sixty million dollars a year. I don't want mistakes.
I don't want automations. You either. You know the the
(45:06):
challenge system I like, you know, they sped it up.
As a pitcher, sure, I'm biased. I want every strike
to be called a strike, and if some balls can
get called strikes, cool, But for me, I was always
like I felt like I got more. You know they
(45:28):
You remember the Greg Maddix, heial he gets pitches that
aren't on the plate. But the fact of the matter
was Greg Maddox was Picasso and if he could throw
the ball six inches off the plate and get a strike,
he would. Hell I did. But but the ABS system,
to me, is going to end if it's truly enforced.
I'm telling you this right now, and I'm okay with
(45:50):
this being a hot dache. If the rule book strike
zone is enforced by an electronics system. You will never
see a three hundred hitter again, no chance.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Because it's it's it's what bottom of letters to the
top of the upper knees, which.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Is not art cards, pit armpit to the knees, follow
the knees. If you give me that much space to
throw the ball ninety five miles an hour, No, sorry,
you can't defend it. It's it's undefendable. And uh you
know so. Uh but but I don't know that we're
going to go there, you know, I I know. I
(46:29):
saw sures are called like challenge to yesterday and got
beat on both of them. Now he hates the system.
So it's gonna be it's gonna be funny to watch,
but it's something that you know, Listen, I thought the
wild card was a stupid idea, turned out to be
a genius. I've thought a lot of these ideas. The
only one I think that's going to have a lasting
(46:49):
impression that I think may change because of the impact
will be the stolen the pickoff rules. I think that's
broken his health.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
How would you adjust it?
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Well, first of all, you can't limit pickoff throws, can you.
Ricky Henderson would have stolen four hundred bases if you
if you limit pickoff throws, if I come set and
the runner knows I can't throw over, like okay, game over,
and it's gonna and I say this with all the respects,
it's going to cheapen the stolen base.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Sure, yes, right, but it's.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Also I don't think it does anything. I get it right.
They want to change the game pace of the game,
but five throw pickoff throws to first don't make a
game go from two to two and a half hours.
That's just stupid. And I think that that rule is
going to Like I said, I think you look at
the stolen base. I think you're going to see guys
routinely hit one hundred stolen bases easily now and and
(47:43):
and get into the stratosphere with it. And I think
that that needs that just that's just a dumb rule.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Kurt, listen, clearly, your your battling little sniffles. We don't
want to take up any more your time.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
You know what it is, sorry, Doug. You know what
this is spring training. Every spring training when it's started,
I would call up and sneeze and sound like an idiot.
And apparently today is the first day of spring training
in my retirement. So there you go.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Well, you know it is you need to get it
like an NIL deal, like a sponsorship deal with like
Clariton or something right. It does allergies out like Kirk
Chillington Kirk chilling joins us on the behalf of a
legra and I got it.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
I gotta tell you. I wanted to ask you personally.
I want to I want to coach. I love coaching.
I love teaching young kids. I want to do college.
I want to do a college program. And I'm wondering
what it's like. You know, is there anything like it
was when we grew up? Or is it a different
world now with than IL?
Speaker 1 (48:37):
What I think it depends on level. I do think
that it's a different world in regards to NIL. But
I think when you strip it down your knowledge, like
the kids will eat it up. There's there's still kids.
They still desperately want to learn. The difference is you
are going to get some that are simply there for
(49:00):
six months. I'm going to try and get a check
somewhere else. Let's let's let's have this discussion next time
that this is a great tease so I can have
you back on because your baseball knowledge is beyond approach
and I appreciate joining us.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Kurt, all right, dog, you take care of yourself, my friend.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
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Bill's head coach Sean McDermott, when he was asked why
he'd be in favor of banning the touch push.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
To me, there's always been an injury risk with that play,
and I've expressed that opinion for the last couple of
years or so when it really started to come into
in the play the way it's being used, especially.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
You know, a year ago.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So I just feel like, you know, players safety and
the health and safety of our players has to be
at the top of our game, which it is. It's
just that play to me, has always been a or
the or the way that the techniques that are used
with that play, to me have been potentially contrary to
the health and safety of the players. And so again
(01:55):
you have to go back, though in fairness to the
to the injury data on the play, but I just
think it to the optics of it, I'm not in
love with.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Okay, here's that Nick Sirianni. He's the head coach and
the guy who's executed the Tousch Push to another super
Bowl and this won a Super Bowl win. He addressed
all the band the Toush Push talk.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I almost feel a little insulted because we work so
hard at that play, the amount of things that we've
looked into how to coach that play, the fundamentals, there's
always there's a thousand plays out there, but it comes
down to how you teach the fundamentals and now how
the players go through it and do with the fundamentals.
I can't tell you how many times we practice the snap.
We practice the play because it's not a play that
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it's easy to practice. There are different ways we figured
out how to practice it. The compliments that come off
of it that can create explosive plays. We saw it
in big time games this year, and like the fact
that it's an automatic thing that like, we work really
really hard and our guys are talented at this play,
and so it's a little insulting to say it's just
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just you know, we're good at it. So it's automatic.
We work really hard at it. It's a skill that
our team has because of the players that we have,
the coach and the way the coaches coach it. The
fact that it's a successful play for the Eagles, and
people want to take that away, I think it's a
little a little unfair.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, Look, do I think there's technique with it? Yes,
I think there's definitely an art and a skill to it,
and you have to practice it, and I'm sure there's
some parts of the technique which you can use in
other parts of blocking. But the reality is it's super unique.
Now people have copied it, they have copied it to
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less success than the Eagles. They are the best at
doing it. And this despite the fact they lost Jason
kelce to retirement, where a lot of people are like, well,
a lot of it is Jason Kelcey is so small
and so flexible. And then of course you have Jalen Hurts,
who's just a monster in the weight room. Like all
of those were thoughts on why there's so much better
at it, and I'm sure there's some technique to it.
Here's where I'll defend the coaches in term of players safety.
(04:02):
One thing that's not said, Okay, so my team and
you're like, what's basketball on my team? Over the past
two weeks has had or three weeks, has had three concussions. Now,
part of was two guys banging into each other. But
one of the things we started the year as one
of the worst rebounding teams in the country. Part of
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it was by design. We were playing small and we
you know, our big guys. We had a couple that
were not eligible, been hurt, et cetera, et cetera. Et cetera.
And some of it's just we're playing small and that's
what you have to try and fight through and be
super efficient at the offensive end in order to be successful.
But in order to practice rebounding, hey practice rebounding you yet?
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Can you do it with pads? Yeah? We do with
pads all the time, all the time. But there's nothing
like boxing out another body, and you have to practice it,
practice and practice, and what happens is when you put
your biggest bodies one, there's either a fight or an injury.
That's what happens. And I use that as a parallel
to football because that particular play like it's different than
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anything else you're gonna practice. And while you may think like, well, okay,
where's the injury data in the game, you have to
practice playing against it. In order to practice playing against it,
you have to have an offensive line that's gonna push
out super super low and you have to practice force
on force. And my guess is that part of it
is like when they say injury, they don't just mean
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injury during games, they mean injuries in practice. Would your
life be affected greatly, Dan Byer if the tush push
went away?
Speaker 5 (05:40):
No, it wouldn't be affected greatly. But I do think
and I understand your point about the practice and the injuries,
but I think that saying that it's an injury risk
is the only way for them to disprove this or
to get this play eliminated.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
I mean years past, prior to allowing this, you weren't
allowed to push your player forward in any instance, whether
it be at the fifty yard line or at the
goal line. We've now seen stops with a whistle isn't blown,
and there's just a massive humanity, and the crowd actually
loves that play. They love it when you're running back
gets six or seven yards because the linemen come downfield
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and push that massive humanity. That really isn't different in
terms of what the play does than the tush push
in getting that shove. But I do think that if
the play does result in more injuries at the one
yard line, then it would be something that they would
look into. But I just don't remember many injuries from that,
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and that's why I think it's kind of an excuse
to get it banned, as it's the only way that
they're going to be able to do so it's saying
it's such an injury risk.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
I don't think that.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
It's as an unstoppable play as everyone thinks it is,
just because the Eagles run it so well. And kudos
to Siriani for developing this a TikTok clip actually of
what he did with the Colts and how this kind
of all originated with Jacoby Brissette when Philip Rivers was
the guy. So for him to not find a loophole,
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but find a way to make this a successful play
and what the pieces you have.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
I don't think it should be banned, Chase do anything.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
But I think Dan's exactly right. He mirrors my thoughts
on it. Seems to be the way to get anything
changed is to go to player safety. If you cry
player safety, then people have to listen. And again, how
much data have we seen with these concussions? How much
data have we seen coming off the you know, the
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practices or lack of practices and soft tissue injury. They
have data on everything, and I just haven't seen any
data on this that shows that it's a danger in
practice or in the games.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
I also think it's a much safer play than handing
it off to your running back and watching him go
airborne over a pile of massive human vanity at the
one yard line where he could get clocked or clock
someone else that's also trying to meet him six feet
up in the air, trying to prevent him from going
into the end zone.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
Yeah, and like Guta const I think, came out today
and confirmed that the Packers, you know, were the team.
And it's like, I think, Sirianni, that was a long
way of saying this. If don't ban it, just learn
how to stop it or do it yourself. If everyone
does it, then that'd be cool. But yeah, I don't.
(08:30):
I don't see what the band does. It seems like
it's teams being lazy and not wanting to coach against it.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Well, technically you're not allowed. You're not supposed to be
able to push somebody, right, that's like against the rule,
is it?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
You're not this should call a penalty on him, and
it used to you you wouldn't be able to do that,
but like the bush push, Yeah, but now it's completely allowed.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Well it allowed or is it legal? Right?
Speaker 6 (08:55):
It's just not No, it's legal.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
So what about the play? It's that how low they
get and they take out guy's legs. Is that the deal.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
The leverage on the play I think is the key
portion of it. But what makes it I think they
feel so successful are the two guys behind him, behind
the quarterback and Jalen Hurts and pushing him forward.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
But yeah, I just think if you make it so
you can't push the guy forward, then the player.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
I just think that the Eagles just have the one
of the best offensive lines in football, and so it
works with them. I guarantee the Lions would do it
if they didn't have Jared Goff as their quarterback. If
you had someone like Jalen Hurts as your quarterback, I'm
sure that they would probably do the exact same thing,
because that's their advantage over the other team, is their
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offensive line.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Of course, Josh Allen's season came to an end in
no small part because they couldn't execute it properly.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
And this is a very small sample, but the guys
on get up this morning, so there's three football players.
Foxworth and a couple other guys. Greene came out and
said that it's unsightly and it's boring and you're gonna
lose viewers, and each football player who played the game
(10:13):
completely disagreed with that. It's boring, I guess, but like
if you have Jalen Hurts on your fantasy team, it
certainly isn't boring. You know, if you're an Eagles fan,
that certainly isn't boring. It's stop it.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It's boring to watch.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
It's effective, though.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Again I'm not saying it's not effective. It's boring to watch.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
You had Jalen Hurts on your fantasy team, right, I did. Yeah,
you profited from.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
It, I blistened to I. Again, I'm playing by the rules,
you know, playing by the rules. So I'm not disputing
that it's effective, and I'm simply saying I believe that
the safety issue is is it a bit of a
cop out? Sure? Is it probably a reality of trying
to practice against it. Yes, you could just you could
(11:01):
describe it as the perfect play for a quarterback, right,
where you have the quarterback who benches or squats however
many pounds, six hundred punds whatever he squats, and he's
able to use that, which is part of quality coaching, right,
find something your guys do well and lean into that,
and they do it exceptionally well. It is I don't
know if it unsightly is the word that I would use.
(11:22):
It's not a particularly pretty place. It's messy, but it's
it's super effective. It's super effective.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
I do have some clarification.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
This is from an LA Times article in twenty twenty two.
Mike Pereira spoke with the LA Times, and in two
thousand and five the league clarified their stance where you
weren't allowed to push or pull a runner into the
end zone or I guess, on any any point to
the field. What Pereira said was that the league found
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that pulling ball carriers was easy to rule on. It
was pushing that was difficult. So in the example that
I gave about a ball at the forty yard binding,
you just have this massive humanity and two or three
linemen run down field and end up pushing that pile.
How can you legislate that? What Pereira said here was
(12:13):
that the NFL just decided, okay, it's all right to push,
considering there's so many instances where they found it difficult
to actually officiate what was pushing and who was pushing who,
and who was touching who in that regard. So it's
been around apparently a lot longer than I had thought.
I thought or maybe decade at the most, but apparently
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it's been for about twenty years now.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I had no idea, And obviously this switch that'll be,
this change that's made, because then that doesn't change any
of the blocking up front. If you want to go
low with the blocking, if you want your quarterback to
go low, fine, which you can't have is to push
from behind. And I'm with you, guys, I don't think
it's a true safety safety issue in the game. Although
you know how many times have we heard guys say,
(12:57):
you know, when you get to those you know, the
victory formation, you know you don't want defensive linemen shooting
out of people's legs. Well, in this particular case, you
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I mean, I look, the story of the day is
the reaction to last night, which is Luka Doncik and
the Lakers beat the map Eicks. And stop me if
you heard this before Anthony Davis was out with an injury,
You're like, no, Anthony Davis hurt. No, that never happens.
But he didn't play against his former team, and so
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the you know, Luke had a triple double, but by
his own account, didn't play great. Lebron James closed the
game pretty well and the Lakers end up with a
big win. So that look, that's that's probably the main topic.
But it is a regular season game, and Anthony Davis
didn't play, and everybody's kind of had their their run
at it, if you will, at discussing it. So what
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we do every day at this time, every week, at
this time is it's the middle of the show, the
middle of the week, the middle of the day, we
get to the midway. He's not getting in the middle.
It's time for the midway, Jay stew what's our midway topic?
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
So I saw this on a podcast. Diana Russini does
a podcast for The Athletic and she has a former
NFL backup quarterback, Chase Daniel, as a co host. And
I was frankly alarmed by what he said. And I
just want to see if you if you three had
(15:22):
the same reaction I did, so for our listeners. This
is Chase Daniel and Diana Russini on a podcast for
the Athletic.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Matthew goes out, sees that there's no market for him
at the price he wants, and the Rams say, all right,
we'll bring it back for forty million.
Speaker 8 (15:38):
Like, don't you think that's a fairty?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
No?
Speaker 9 (15:42):
What, Diana, your too much front office speak? Forty million
is a travesty?
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
If he gets.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
Forty million, I would, at this point, to be completely
honest with you, from a player's perspective, I would retire.
He's already I think number one or number two in
the most career earnings in NFL history. This contract would
easily put him at number one. If you're offering forty million,
at some point you got to be like, hold up,
Trevor Lawrence is making fifty three two is making that
(16:13):
much money. Dak's making sixty million dollars. I am ten
times better than these. I'm a dog, I'm a warrior,
like knuckle like. It just depends on you know.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I would just.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
Feel so disrespective. I was Stafford if they if they
offer me a forty million dollar deal.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
So when I heard this, I thought about Dan Byer
and my dinner at Ruth Chris and New Orleans during
the week of the Super Bowl, and I thought about
Chase Daniel being with a bunch of like current quarterbacks,
oh and racking up a three thousand dollars dinner tab.
And this is what you would say to other quarterbacks
(16:50):
or other players. Forty million as a travesty, you should
just retire. But if you're if you want to do
analyst work, and do you want to be a podcaster
slash broadcaster. I don't know if something like this could
be a worse thing to say, because no one that
you're podcasting too can relate to any of that. I
(17:13):
was my sensibilities were offended. I want to get your guys' thoughts.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I mean, that's the worst sounding audio I've ever heard. No, wait, wait,
so and again. Not only is there, it's not just
a disconnect with fans, it's a disconnect with anybody who
understands business. Here's what I mean. Okay, what are you worth?
What are you worth? Jay Stu? What are you worth?
(17:41):
How much is each person worth at their place of work?
Speaker 7 (17:45):
I would say I'm worth at leaves one hundred and
seventy five thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
You're worth as much as someone will pay you.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
You're worth what well I thought you were being literal.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Okay, yeah, I am being literal and literally you're worth
what someone.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Will pay Jason too for a raise.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
They are Yeah, I mean like it's the I've used
this analogy before, but it's like I used to have
a beautiful piano and it was a grand piano, and
I bought it from an older couple that had a
store on what's that street in Boston and everybody shops
(18:23):
on It's really cool, I'll think of it anyway, Boilston Street. Yeah,
they had a shop on Bolston Street and the older
gentleman was like, son, this piano is worth eleven thousand dollars.
I just had it assessed. It's worth eleven thousand dollars.
And I said, sir, I don't know you, but you
(18:45):
just had listed on an online auction and the reserve
was twenty five hundred dollars and no one bid on it,
and no one bid on it. So it can theoretically
be worth whatever number you want, but it's actually worth
what someone will pay you. I use that analogy for
Matt Stafford. If Matt Stafford was worth more than forty
(19:06):
million dollars, he would get an offer for more than
forty million dollars for somebody else. But he's not. So,
in addition to being completely lost in terms of how
it sounds, completely lost and how it sounds and how
it lands on irregular American citizen football fan, forty million dollars,
(19:30):
I would retire. That's the actual sound from Chase Daniel.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I am outrating.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I am an outrage. I can't believe it. How dare
you offer me forty million dollars to live in Los
Angeles and play?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (19:42):
I could BUYE maybe hey my bills or put food
on the table.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And remember if you played for Sean McVay, you aren't
playing preseason and the second game in the in the
ragulus saying doesn't matter is that that's out too. How
dare you pay me that money when we've already established
there is no market for you. If there was a
market for you, then that deal would be made elsewhere.
It sounds out of touch up to and frankly, it
(20:08):
sounds like somebody who doesn't understand the most basic premise
of business, which is you are worth what someone's willing
to pay you.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
But I would also say, Doug taking out the extraordinary
number in this, I believe a bit of what Chase
Daniel is saying is also of what you are saying
in that conversation, because when Chase Daniel explains that Matthew
Stafford has the most money, and all of that's fine,
(20:35):
we're fixated on the forty million dollars. It's just the
fact of at this point, that person with the piano
could be like, all right, I'm not going to sell it. Yeah,
I'm not gonna just not gonna sell it. I'm not
going to go that way. And that's where Stafford could
be like, well, I'm not going to play. Then it's
just you know, that's it's my choice. I'm not there's
(20:56):
no way. I'd rather just take a complete loss on it.
What's so and hold on to it then to actually
play for the forty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Jase Do, Derek Carr.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
And Aaron Rodgers had thirty seven and a half million
dollar annual salaries most recently. Then you get down to
Geno Smith at twenty five million. But pretty much everybody
is looking down on Matthew Stafford's forty that isn't fully
established in the league or on a rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, listen, I get it. But again, if if somebody
wants Matthew Stafford for upwards of forty million dollars, there's
a deal to be made there. And if there's not
a deal we made because he doesn't want to move, well,
then again that you're limiting yourself. And if there was
you know, fifty million dollars out there and he can
find that offer, well, by all means, the Raiders won't
(21:47):
pay Hi fifty million dollars. The Rams will go here,
You go go ahead.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
The interesting part about this is I think that there
are teams that will pay him fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
It's just what they're teams that he'll go to.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yeah, and what do the Rams want in return for it?
Like does the value match? And that's what's a little tricky.
I thought initially, Doug that when this conversation was thrown out,
that the Rams are just like, maybe we'll just get
a great offer.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
I said.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
I used the example of you're not really looking to move,
but if someone's going to give you enough money to
make you move, you'll do it. So let's just put
the house up for sale and see what we get.
That's what I kind of thought the Rams were doing.
Now as we found out more about the situation, it's
more complex and deeper than that. But I think that
there would be teams, if you're the Raiders or the
Giants or any of those teams.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
You know, fifty million dollars. I don't want to say
it's cheap, but.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Yeah, considering the quarterback problems that those teams have had
the last couple of years, I don't think they'll have
a problem doing it. It's what do you give up
with the Ram? Give up to the Rams now to
be able to do that sort of deal. I know,
it's kind of strength from the thing.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
There's a buyer beware element to it in that, you know,
McVeigh move mountains to get him, won a Super Bowl
with him, and now mcbay's allowing him to walk out
the door. You're like, what do we not? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Agree with that?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Not no, And my guest can only be And what
you don't know or what we assume, is that Matt
Stafford is going to retire at the end. You know,
every year he threatens to retire and he doesn't want
to get hit, right, remembered any of the spine thing
at the end of last season, and his wife is
always hinted at him retiring. And so we talked about
(23:28):
this with Aaron Rodgers. No one likes to get hit
as a quarterback, but the older guys no desire to
step in and get hit. And that's what the position
requires if you want to win the whole thing. And so,
whether it's the guts to take a hit or the
desire to do so, the need for a multi year contract,
the fact that he's one hard hit away from shutting
it down retiring, I don't think it's an arm strength
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or an ability issue, especially if he's still playing in
a dome like he'd be in Vegas. But my guess
is that part of what limits his viability elsewhere is
wait a second, Sean McVay loved you, jettisoned a good
quarterback to Detroit to get you, and now we're supposed
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to take you on when you've talked of retiring the
last two offseasons. What are we missing here? What are
we missing here?
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I think everybody's got a breaking point at some point
where if something happened in a place of employment that
you would say like, Okay, well that's the straw that
broke the camel's back, or in a.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Situation of hey, you know then and then I wouldn't be.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Able to work there anymore. And I think that's to
the point of this whole sound bite is apparently the
straw is forty million dollars, which is unrelatable to so many.
But what I think is relatable is Matthew Stafford not
feeling respected at work. He just has the ability to
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walk away from it, where most people in their normal
lives don't have that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
It's a great point.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
I better be a nice straw for forty million.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
Forty million is a travesty midway.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
It sounds is that Jase dou Is that kind of
the essence of this No, No, I mean there are
several layers and that's what the midway is all about.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Here.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
You you give your first reaction to hearing that. My
first reaction was from like someone like who's had a
career in uh, you know, talent and broadcasting. If I
was to give Chase Daniel media training, I'm like, I
would say, you can't say that out loud. In other words,
(25:39):
everyone loves, you know, a guy just to say what's
on his mind and be honest. But if you want
to be a successful broadcaster slash podcaster, you need to
keep those words in that conversation among other rich guys
that played the game, and it's not really a good
thing to just say out loud.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
I took zero offense to it. I was not bothered
in the least. It's a it's a it's a world
that I am unfamiliar with. But yeah, you're used to
discussing salaries in that range. I just like, yeah, maybe
it's not like real money to me, it's more of
like a ranking.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I just think it was the tone so tone deaf.
Speaker 10 (26:21):
He was trying to be entertaining and with his delivery dynamic,
and yeah, that's what Chase Daniel's trying to do post NFL.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
But listen for someone.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
I remember I did a show with a former NBA
player a long time ago here Fox Sports Radio. And
there there comes a time where like you have no
This was.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Sam and Kareem, right, this was the Salmon Kareem Show
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Yeah sure, yeah, sure, uh no.
Speaker 10 (26:45):
I mean like I was running the board for this show,
and but I had a conversation with this former player
and he made he made good money in the in
the NBA, but nothing, you know, nothing like you know,
some of the top stars are paid now. But he
he said that like you become you start getting millions
of dollars in pay in and you change you You
go from like, oh I made seventy million and you
(27:06):
could have made another fifteen And he's like and I'm like,
that's you already made seventy million dollars, So you're you're
better off than ninety nine percent of people in this
country or ninety five percent.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
And he's like, oh, okay, whatever it is.
Speaker 10 (27:18):
Whatever the status, if you have seventy million dollars, you're
better off than a lot of people, a lot of
millions and millions and tens of millions. But his point
was that he's like his he's like, you always want more,
and to me, that struck me. But it also didn't resonate,
Like I couldn't relate to it because I was like,
one million dollars would change my life forever.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And it's like people's perspective is what you're saying, they do.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
They become out of touch.
Speaker 10 (27:42):
And so when you're like a gas to forty million,
there's there's a there's a divide between this country, between
the working class and the ultra rich, and it's never
been on display more than right now.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I'll give you an example. Okay, so I'm actually broadcast
today from a good friend of mine, Kirk Boss's company.
It's called Merrill Luck. It's it's in Green Bay, right,
So as you I don't know if I told you guys.
Did I tell you guys that my car got hit
by a snowplow? No?
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Was was this during the oh?
Speaker 7 (28:08):
No?
Speaker 6 (28:08):
This was this was in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, this is like two weeks, like a week and
a half ago.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Was this your crab walker. Yeah, yeah, it's not walking
crabs anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
It's it is well, it's in that it's silver and
bergs from it's getting so anyway, yeah, so I'm so
I I have a I had like, look it'll sound
when when people know I have a hummer ev like,
oh whatever. I bought a demo, okay, got a deal
in a demo and my previous car which burned up
(28:37):
in the fires, I don't fraight years.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Didn't it also get hit by a snowplow but they
were trying to right.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Hit by the fires. It was literally yeah, yes, actually.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
It didn't get bulldoze. It wasn't snowplotter was bulldozed the
full dose.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So anyway, so like yeah, two weeks ago, actually the
visiting bus from northern Kentucky banged into a car that
banged into mind we have video of it. And then
the next day I'm at practice and I pull out
a practice and the snowplous like parked in the lane
and I'm like twenty yards behind it and I'm trying
to figure out where it's going and then he just
(29:11):
puts in reverse and jams back into me. Didn't see
me at all and screws of my car. Well, those
cars apparently the parts are kind of rare. It's going
to be a while, right, And so they they gave
me the keys to a brand new Escalade, but the
Escalade Electric one. It's literally the nicest car I've ever
(29:32):
driven my life. But I told the guys, like, I
can't drive this anywhere in Green Bay. They're like, why not,
It's just an escalator, Like it's one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars car. I can't drive this anywhere, Like there's
no relatability at all. So I pull up and you know,
everyone will will think you're something that you're not.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
But your your Hummer is much cheaper, much cheaper, much cheaper, much.
Speaker 10 (30:00):
Because I would have thought that fancy crabwalk and hummer
would be up there as well.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
There's there's there's deals on him. Like I said, it
was a demo. It was a lot less. My hummer
was basically the price of brand new trucks are really
expensive now. I don't know if you guys know they
are basically price No, no, no, it's demo. Uh it
was not in the six figure variety.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
No, I'm saying, But like f one fifties are like,
I don't know, seventy.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Seventy or eighty thousand dollars. Yes, that's how much a
brand new, big old truck is. And so when I
was weighing the two, I was like, I don't know,
I like this one, and it's saying I'm gonna get
this anyway. Point is like, you gotta have relatability. And
I understand Chase Daniels was in the NFL for a
long time and those numbers don't and the numbers are
(30:42):
what they are, but it was the way in which
it landed where you're like, what play that for me
one more time? Sam, forty million is a travesty. The
point me is a travesty, a tray.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
He's stuck in the context of, Yeah, what Dan was
talking about, like the ranking of salaries, and a lot
of people can't relate to it.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
But it's just like this mythical kind of money figure
in your mind.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
And so I get like when he said the Trevor
Lawrence and again part of it is we're not actually, no,
everybody's The NFL players are so dishonest with these salaries, right,
because whatever their salary is, most of it is signing
bonus upfront, right, and then their actual salary is pretty minimal,
and then the back end they never actually get, so
all the money they got in the first year, like
(31:30):
in the first three months of the contract, and then
they bury the money so that it doesn't hurt the
cap all that much. And so if he said, hey,
he should make more than Trevor Lawrence, he should make more,
but to do the forty million dollars is a travesty
when he just said there was no market for him,
just sounds like somebody who doesn't understand the basic privacy
of business, which, as I said, is you're worth what
(31:52):
somebody's wanting to pay you. Whatever they pay Trevor Lawrence
doesn't matter. It's what they're willing to pay you. And
that's the midway.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, I got hit by a snowplow and I didn't
get hit by I was in the car. But it
was one of those like what is this guy doing?
Speaker 8 (32:11):
This is the best of the Don dot Leab Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. You're on Fox Sports Radio.
And as we get ready for another baseball season, who
would be better to talk about baseball than a guy
who was six time All Star, a three time World
Series champion. He was a World Series MVP, and oh one,
of course he was two times strikeout leader. And you
know he's in the Red Sox Hall of Fame. Kurt
(32:39):
Chilling joins us here on the Doug Gottleb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Kurt, how are you well?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
As tough coach?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
How you brother?
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I'm good? Man? How are you?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I'm good? I need healthy players in a win. But
other than that, as a guy who was part of
the I would say most glorious era of baseball my
life time right when you were part of the Red
Sox and you had the incredible come back and win
the World Series. But back then it was the Yankees
spending the Red Sox spending as well. There's a lot
(33:09):
of talk in the off season over how much the
Dodgers have spent after already going out and getting show
Hey last summer, what do you think of how the
Dodgers have handled success?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I want to be a Dodger? He is?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I mean, come on, well, listen.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
One thing I know about sports is that the highest payroll, well,
it certainly correlates to some success it never guarantees anything
in a sport where the schedule is really a war
of attrition, even more so, I mean, you know right now,
and we do this every year, right, the Dodgers have
(33:47):
supplanted the Yankees as the most hated franchise in sports
and all the things to go with that. So every
sport needs an art filling, right. Yeah, in nineteen ninety nine,
nobody knows who Tom Brady and the Patriots were. Twenty
years later, everybody hates their guns. What changed, Well, they
won and now we're watching it. You know, you see
(34:08):
what the chiefs. But baseball's different because of the lack
of a salary cap and all the things to go
with that, so people can spend what they want. And
at the end of the day, as a former player
and a player rep and someone who set out missed
and lost money because we fought for rights, I'm happy
for him. But you know, this plays out every year,
(34:30):
and if it wasn't the Yankees, it would be somebody
else but the Yankees. And I think what happened was
there was the shark got jumped a little bit in
the sense that the Yankee or the Dodgers just did
some insane stuff. But weren't they saying this about the
Mets two years ago?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
And yeah, Padres as well, right, I mean it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
And mun have a World Series ring, so boohoo, you know,
I mean, it doesn't guarantee you think. I I think
if you're if you're living in Detroit, you're pissed, and
rightly so. But but I got to tell you, Doug,
and this is something I think you you probably have
seen throughout sports. If you're in the if you're a
(35:14):
fan of a team and you have a bad five
year run, you can look at players and coaches and
personnel changes and draft strategies and trades and whatnot. You
have a bad ten year run, your owner sucks. Period.
The only continent in these things is the ownership of
these groups, right and and and when a team is
continually bad, it's because of bad ownership. And can team's
(35:38):
continually good, it's usually the same thing. And I don't
think this is any different. I think, you know the
mccourts and how they screwed that franchise up. They got
this thing fixed pretty quickly in LA. And you know,
is it bad for baseball? I don't think your people
are going to go to the game, in fact, to
think more because everybody's going to want to see that
Dodger roster.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Okay, how about how about this? Obviously you got hurt
the next year after you guys won the World Series.
And I know the Dodgers won the COVID World Series,
but most people don't take that to mean what last
year actually meant to the Dodgers, Right? What set you're
like though, when there's so much build up And granted
it wasn't you know, the Curse of the Bambino. It
(36:17):
wasn't even the White Sox who beach the next year, right,
and they had their own purse, But what's it like
that next year when you've accomplished a goal that that
was the sole focus of every fan, every player. I
remember the front li you finally get there. What's it
like that next year?
Speaker 3 (36:32):
The next year? It has everything to do with the
with the personalities in the clubops. And again I'm talking
to the things that you know, you have to have
the right people. And it's one of the beauties of sabermetrics.
Sabermetrics can't define leadership and it can't quantify things that
you know as a coach, matter. And if you if
(36:54):
you go back and look at oh for and you
look at you know, theo Epstein and moneyball and saber metrics,
and they were huge fans of it and they believed it.
But what they also had there's a there's a there's
a middle ground for everything, and sabermetrics is certainly one
of those things. You know, it works, but it's not
one hundred percent infallible. If I don't think it can.
I don't think you can win in the postseason with
(37:14):
sabermetrics baseball at all. And I think tamping Blake Smell
Blake Smell getting pulled prove that. But the fact of
the matter is, you got you got to have, uh,
a middle ground. You got to have agreement, and we
didn't have well we had we had some injuries, and
the White Sox did what the White Sox did. But
you've got to have buy in from the players, and
(37:36):
you have to have some somebody leaning on the group
in the room.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
And it can't be the manager. I don't think, you know,
Terry's very even keeled than he was. And you know,
we didn't come back in an OH four or five
and say, oh my god, we have something to defend.
We knew what we had to do. Some players were
better for it, some players March and I don't think
we were a better team in All five by any
strets than we were in or.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Stuck Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio, Kurt Schilling
is our guest. Six time All Stars, three time World
Series Champion, World Series MVP is kind of to join
us if we're getting closer and closer to first pitch
in Major League Baseball. Okay, if you were going to
advise show, hey, would you advise him to come back
and pitch?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
You know, one of the challenging things about somebody that's
that good And I'm giving you a political punden answer
rather than he yes. So I don't his makeup. I
think that is such that he's pitching like like, I
don't think this was even a thought for him. Why
(38:44):
would I not pitch, right? I mean, because I don't
know if I'm the Dodgers how I feel about it.
But you got to remember something. We're not talking about
throwing a fourth starter out there. We're talking about throwing
the best pitcher on the staff when he's out there,
and that's a pretty talented staff. So I don't I
don't know if we ultimately ultimately, here's the answer to
(39:07):
the question, right, you and I know this. It doesn't
matter what you want, it's what the player wants. If
he doesn't want to pitch, then he's not going He
wouldn't try. And if he wants to pitch, are you
truly going to stop him other than just saying, hey,
we're not going to give you the ball, Well, then
you know what, you create a whole other situation that
nobody wants to deal with.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Kurk chillings our guests here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what about the Yankees, what's
your assessment of their roster trying to trying to fix
what went wrong last year in the World Series.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Well, what went wrong was they had an inning you
can't have They they showed you the defense matters, and
they showed you that your weakest link sometimes will come
and bite you in the ass at the worst possible time.
I don't know that they were fixing anything. They lost
the best hitter in baseball, or let's just say, one
(40:04):
of the four or five generational talents in baseball. Sure,
so so I think they made some great signs. I
like what I've always been a Cashman fan because I
think he's worked under that that family crest for a
long time, and he thinks he's done an amazing job.
You know that they lost Sono, and you know they
(40:28):
were in on everything else obviously, because they always are.
They're in a tough division. I think, you know, the
big question this year becomes, I know, I know, I
saw yesterday Stanton's up in New York looking He's at
the doctors trying to figure out something's wrong. So you
can you know, what are you looking at? One hundred
games from from Gene Carlo this year? But the big
(40:49):
question becomes, how is Aaron Judge going to react to
not having one so hit behind him? Now, Aaron Judge
was one of the best hitters on the planet and
in existence before so join the team, so there's reason
to expect him to be you know, it's gonna come
down to how the line of pits around him. But
you know, for me, I'm biased, I know it, but
everything comes down to pitching.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Speaking of pitching, skins, I'm gonna say, Skans, you go,
I don't I don't need to lead you at all.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
I would pay to watch him. Few guys he's he's
I don't think people have seen anything like this, uh
in their lifetime, and that that's one of the things
about baseball right now, is that that there's so much
talent out there that nobody's ever seen before. In my opinion,
Paul Skiing is special. Now I'm going to give him
the Justin Berlander bump, because anybody that talented does not
(41:44):
have a girlfriend that that hot. But but he is.
He is a special and so I'm a little biased.
I grew up a pirate fans. I'm watching him pitch.
I gotta tell you, here's my thing. And I said
this when he came up, and I mean no disrespect
because he is a generational talent. But he's a max
effort guy. And that scares me because the human body
(42:08):
is not conditioned to throw a baseball, and the more
effort you put into it, the harder it is on
your body.
Speaker 7 (42:14):
Now.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I know he works his butt off, I know he
takes care of his arm, but sometimes there are things
that just don't matter. I fear it. And I said, hey,
four hundred innings was my over under. He was going
to have Tommy John before he pitched four hundred innings
in the big leagues. I hope I'm wrong, because he
is good for the game. He is a must watch.
(42:34):
But you know, go back remember Kerry Woods, right, I mean,
you remember Mark Bryer. Remember, I mean, and it's a
tough world too, And I you know, there are certain
things that you know, you know in life. If somebody
would ask you about, you know, basketball and a specific
piece of basketball, you could answer it and you in
(42:56):
your mind, you'd think, I know this as well as
anybody alive. I understand pitching, I think as well as
anybody has ever lived. And when Mark Pryor came out
of college and people talk about him having perfect mechanics,
and I saw him throw one pitch, and when those
are the worst mechanics I've ever seen in a sense,
as a short arm, I'm watching guys who people talk
(43:17):
about and I'm thinking to myself, that's not true, that
that's not even. And so when you see Paul Skins throwing,
I gotta tell you it's it's the reason we're watching
Tommy John multiply by factor of ten. Unfortunately, but again
I'm not hoping this happens I want him to stay healthy.
I just think being a max effort guy is going
(43:38):
to end up being a reason that physically it's going
to be very challenging for this guy to stay healthy.
And I hope that I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
So that's so funny because prior I remember watching broadcasts,
everybody say, prior perfect mechanics, and then all of a sudden,
oh yes.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Dude, it's mechanics were literally the opposite of perfect. He
was a short, arming guy who was a dart thrower,
and and that just isn't healthy, not to mention, impossible
to command.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Other than that, missus Lincoln, how was the show? Is
that what you're telling me?
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Excuse me, Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Okay, abs, okay, the idea of essentially eliminating the umpire
in these close balls and strikes. What's your feeling on it.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Well, here's what we know, right, We talked about the
replay system in first base. Come to find out umps
are missing fifty percent of the calls, right, I mean,
that's not a marginal number. If the quote unquote best
in the world, and major g umpires are by no
stretch the best in the world. Let's just be clear.
But if we're defining the best in the world, we're
(44:41):
only getting it right fifty percent of the time. You're
talking about and here's where I probably separate myself. You're
talking about You're not talking about sport, talking about eleven
billion dollars a year, business in which guys are making
forty fifty sixty million dollars a year. I don't want mistakes.
I don't want automations. You either. You know the the
(45:06):
challenge system I like, you know, they sped it up.
As a pitcher, sure, I'm biased. I want every strike
to be called a strike, and if some balls can
get called strikes, cool, But for me, I was always
like I felt like I got more. You know they
(45:28):
You remember the Greg Maddix, heial he gets pitches that
aren't on the plate. But the fact of the matter
was Greg Maddox was Picasso and if he could throw
the ball six inches off the plate and get a strike,
he would. Hell I did. But but the ABS system,
to me, is going to end if it's truly enforced.
I'm telling you this right now, and I'm okay with
(45:50):
this being a hot dache. If the rule book strike
zone is enforced by an electronics system. You will never
see a three hundred hitter again, no chance.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Because it's it's it's what bottom of letters to the
top of the upper knees, which.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Is not art cards, pit armpit to the knees, follow
the knees. If you give me that much space to
throw the ball ninety five miles an hour, No, sorry,
you can't defend it. It's it's undefendable. And uh you
know so. Uh but but I don't know that we're
going to go there, you know, I I know. I
(46:29):
saw sures are called like challenge to yesterday and got
beat on both of them. Now he hates the system.
So it's gonna be it's gonna be funny to watch,
but it's something that you know, Listen, I thought the
wild card was a stupid idea, turned out to be
a genius. I've thought a lot of these ideas. The
only one I think that's going to have a lasting
(46:49):
impression that I think may change because of the impact
will be the stolen the pickoff rules. I think that's
broken his health.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
How would you adjust it?
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Well, first of all, you can't limit pickoff throws, can you.
Ricky Henderson would have stolen four hundred bases if you
if you limit pickoff throws, if I come set and
the runner knows I can't throw over, like okay, game over,
and it's gonna and I say this with all the respects,
it's going to cheapen the stolen base.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Sure, yes, right, but it's.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Also I don't think it does anything. I get it right.
They want to change the game pace of the game,
but five throw pickoff throws to first don't make a
game go from two to two and a half hours.
That's just stupid. And I think that that rule is
going to Like I said, I think you look at
the stolen base. I think you're going to see guys
routinely hit one hundred stolen bases easily now and and
(47:43):
and get into the stratosphere with it. And I think
that that needs that just that's just a dumb rule.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Kurt, listen, clearly, your your battling little sniffles. We don't
want to take up any more your time.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
You know what it is, sorry, Doug. You know what
this is spring training. Every spring training when it's started,
I would call up and sneeze and sound like an idiot.
And apparently today is the first day of spring training
in my retirement. So there you go.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Well, you know it is you need to get it
like an NIL deal, like a sponsorship deal with like
Clariton or something right. It does allergies out like Kirk
Chillington Kirk chilling joins us on the behalf of a
legra and I got it.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
I gotta tell you. I wanted to ask you personally.
I want to I want to coach. I love coaching.
I love teaching young kids. I want to do college.
I want to do a college program. And I'm wondering
what it's like. You know, is there anything like it
was when we grew up? Or is it a different
world now with than IL?
Speaker 1 (48:37):
What I think it depends on level. I do think
that it's a different world in regards to NIL. But
I think when you strip it down your knowledge, like
the kids will eat it up. There's there's still kids.
They still desperately want to learn. The difference is you
are going to get some that are simply there for
(49:00):
six months. I'm going to try and get a check
somewhere else. Let's let's let's have this discussion next time
that this is a great tease so I can have
you back on because your baseball knowledge is beyond approach
and I appreciate joining us.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Kurt, all right, dog, you take care of yourself, my friend.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
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