March 12, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug talks about the legacy of Tiger Woods as the golf super star may be calling it quits in the wake of his recent achilles injury. Doug welcomes Outkick senior NFL Writer Armando Salguero onto the show to talk about Aaron Rodgers, Sam Darnold and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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is doing Covino and Rich all week right, and like
Dan Byers our resident golf guy. But I do think
that this is a really really interesting discussion to have.
So Tiger woodsh was announced yesterday he'd torn his achilles
at Tendon. I believe that's his second achilles tenant and
tear in his career. The first was when he had
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also torn his acl and he won the US Open
on the extra playoff day against rock O Mediate Right,
like how good is my golf knowledge there? I don't
know the year, Damn, we know the year, dam we
know each hole. But I do remember that he was
playing with a torn crew and apparently later we found
out it was a it was a torn Achilles tenant
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as well, anyway towards Achilles tendon. And you're gonna have
everybody in their brother going saying what I said when
he had the last car accident, which is, yeah, that's
that's probably it, right, that's probably it. And so what
happens is and you get to your forties and your fifties,
and I'm sure when your sixties and seventies even more
so is people he their entire career, and when that
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career comes to an end or they start to look older,
it's like inevitably at that moment you go like, God,
I feel way older. I feel like ten years older
today than I did yesterday. And males have that. I
think the answer is yes, but I look at this
thing completely differently. So I want you to think back
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to before Tiger Woods existed in your brain as a
golf savant. So, Sam, you're not quite old enough to
do this, maybe a little bit, but I know Jason,
you are, I loo is as well. Buyers sort is
as well, and I am, which is we're old enough
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to remember when golf wasn't a thing. Golf was guys
in ugly pants at country clubs that we didn't get into,
playing courses we didn't care about, with traditions we didn't know,
nor did we invest in learning about. That was golf
pre Tiger Woods. Like I remember when Payne Stewart won,
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and I remember when he tragically died, and Payne Stuart
and everybody didn't wear knickers back then, right, it was
still kind of clever to wear knickers, but the fact
that he wore knickers was like, yeah, that's a golf thing.
Like why would any human being on earth wear that
at any point in time in their life? Like baseball
players only wear baseball pants because those are baseball pants
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and you have to Why would you wear knickers when
you can, you know, I guess wear slacks and a
nice little polo. That's how we perceived golf. That's what
golf was. Golf is elitist, elitist, elitist. If you grew up,
and I've come to learn it's a little bit different,
especially in the Midwest. Now living in the Midwest where
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in Wisconsin you have have you're a football, basketball, or
hockey guy, right and then summer you're either out in
the water or you're fishing, or you're playing golf. It's
generally it like I would say, high high percentage in
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the Midwest, and even in Oklahoma where I've lived there
a good number of years. People love, love golf. But
for those of us who grew up lower, middle income,
bigger cities sports guys, golf wasn't discussed in mainstream sports
then the way it is now. Why Eldrick tiger Woods,
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he just changed everything. Nike was never a player in golf,
and I know they're not with him now in golf,
but that was all tiger Woods. Like literally he made
golf cool. He made Nike golf cool. And so in
addition to in addition to finding our you know, kind
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of what's the word I'm looking for, in addition to
learning about golf, just the ability to watch golf, talk
about golf and not have it be some kind of
foreign like golf on TV might as well have been
hockey on TV. In my house, every once in a
while you put it on when there was something big happening,
and you felt completely lost by it. I don't know
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these guys' names, I know thing about him, I don't
know this course. All that changed with Tiger. And so
then when you when he suffers an Achilles ten and tear,
and then you start to go through the litany of
injuries and his lack of competitiveness, and you realize his
professional career is effectively over. You start to take stock
of it. And for some people they think, okay, is
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golf in a good place or a bad place? You know,
you got two kind of competing tours. There's no Tiger
Woods in terms of dominance or dynamic personality, and there
doesn't appeared to be one in the horizon. But instead
of looking at that, the way I look at it
when I take stock is how amazing is it that
one guy can make golf both relevant and cool all
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at the same time. And that's what he did. And
you know, now he's almost like a Frankenstein type character
with all of the different work he's had to have done.
He's was it Joan Rivers who used to do the
daytime talk and she had so much plastic surgery done,
like is she most known for plastic surgery. Jay Stu,
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who would be most known for plexic surgery, where you're like,
those lips aren't real, those boobs aren't real, that butt
not real, that hair appears to be enhanced, the eyes different,
the face different. Who would that be?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think she's the pioneer. Yeah, I think she was
one of the first. There's been much worse examples since,
but I think she was kind of out in front
of them.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Right. It feels like as an athlete, that's where Tiger
is now, right Like, I don't know if this is
the same Achilles a different one. He's torn up his knee,
he had the car accident, He's had multiple back surgeries.
I mean that poor guy, right Like, it almost feels
like he goes and calls his doctor and his doctors
like again again again, let me ask you, Jay s
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dou because again, you're much more And he grew up
for people don't know, Tiger Woods grew up fairly close
to where Jay Stu grew up, right got north central
Orange County. When I say Tiger Woods and the idea
of Tiger Woods not playing golf ever again or professional
golf ever again, do you look forward? Do you think
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current or do you think of the whole story in
what what's happened with his career?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, like you, I think I saw there before and
the after on this, and I think that I just
think of like the I don't even know what the
word as the revolutionary impact he had. Is that a
word evolutionary?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Would it be evolutionary or revolutionary?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And in it I automatically think of Kaitlyn Clark and
I again, I want to be like the solo voice
on this and maybe you can co sign on this.
I want to convince women's basketball fans that Caitlyn Clark
is the Tiger Woods of your sport. She's a unicorn,
She's a one of a kind. You're never going to
see it again. You better take advantage of it while
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it lasts. That's kind of how I felt about Tiger
Like that, Golf, I think did a great job of
taking full advantage of what he had to offer. There
was some rough things up front. That fuzzy Zeller comment
early was regrettable, but I think after a while people
started to get in wine right Because there was some
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some pushback early from the the uh, the old golfer,
but I think people started to fall in Wi. It's like,
this guy's literally, not literally but raising all boats with this,
and I'm not going to fight it. And I think
women's basketball has a lesson to learn there.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Well, it's interesting because in many ways, you know, we
were looking at at what topics to talk about today, right,
we were trying to kick around, like do we talk
about you know, Cooper Cup and Cooper Cup can be
released by the Rams, right, And again, he hasn't had
the same effect as either the two that we mentioned,
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but it's pretty obvious. Do I think he has more
football in him? I hope he does because I like
him and I think he's a stud. And again, if
we say the quiet part out loud, which is like,
he was the best wide receiver in the league and
he wasn't a white guy who was a slot wide receiver,
Like he was a legit number one wide receiver, and
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he'd overcome all of these things order to make him
into that. And then he and I don't want to
say single handedly, but as an offensive weapon, he was
the only weapon that Matt Stafford used on the on
the game winning drive in the Super Bowl against cinc
Standy Bengals. At so far right, that did happen like
he had the most. Maybe he wasn't long lived, it's
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in his own way. It's like a Priest Holmes type
of short lived, unbelievable career, best in his craft. And
then maybe his body has fallen apart here, you know,
with the multiple knee injuries. But I do think there's
something remarkable about a guy who can now. He hasn't
brought Cooper Cup didn't bring attention to the NFL, not
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nearly the Pied Piper the way that you're talking about
Caitlin Clark or Tiger Woods. But I would say has
broke through a bunch of stereotypes in the NFL, that'd
be fair, and made what was previously seemed as not
likely or impossible into possible. But the other part to
it is the when there there's a point in time
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in which your body just says I'm done. Right, my
body just says I'm done. But I like Caitlin Clark
is the Tiger Woods of the WNBA. I do, I do.
And there's a lot of similarities there with people pushing
back against it, and people pushed it back against Tiger
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right then, Remember they tiger rized courses as well. And
what I bet will happen, which is what you're talking about,
Jase two, is if you ask anybody in golf now,
they'll say, the reason that we don't have another Tiger
Woods is there's so many good young golfers. And there's
so many good young golfers because twenty years ago they
were all watching that dude dominate and he made golf cool.
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And all of those country club kids or borderline country
club kids, and all those parents of like, why am
I going to have my kid go out and play
basketball when he has no chance? Why am I going
to have him play out and play football when he
has no chance? When all he's got to do is
take golf lessons, play golf, and if he can get
some steel will if you will, maybe he can compete.
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And there's a litany of super super talented golfers between
the ages of you know, twenty and thirty five. That
the type of depth of golf talent we'd never seen.
He made golf cool. I don't know if Caitlin Clark
makes it cool, but it's definitely gonna make it cool
to a ton of young women. And here's the other
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here's the other thing. They're doing. This is a big one. Okay.
The WNBA was known as a gay league, right, it
was a gay and it was a lesbian league. That's
what's always been seen. And I think this is one
of the things. All credit Angel Reese. She's not the
only one. What's the young woman who signed with the
woman who signed with the Pacers and the Pacers, the
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fever attractive blonde she had all her press stuff for yesterday,
Sophie Cunningham, right, and then all of a sudden, now
it's like, wait a second, we're actually beautiful women who
play basketball, which is great because whether it brings a
male audience or not, that doesn't matter. What it does
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is and I can't remember which former basketball players said this,
you guys can probably google it, which is like, hey,
I wasn't sending my kid to play basketball because yeah,
I didn't want to be around those lifestyles. If you
go to a high school volleyball terment AU volleyball tournament.
I know. So my buddies are ex NBA players, ex
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college players, and they were like, dude, you want to
know where all of their all their daughters play. They
all play volleyball. And one reason they all play volleyball
is there was always there's always been the perception that
it's not really a league for head sexual women. It's
not really somewhere that they feel comfortable they belong. I
think she's changing that. I think that's part of why
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there are such pushback against her. But I think she's
changing that. I think Angel Reese is changing that for
the better, for the better. So to your point, I'm
going to agree with you because and look, Madison Avenue
agrees to look at when you watch NBA games, many
of the people on those ads now are women, are
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female and female basketball players. So I'm with that For you, Sam,
what do you think of when you when you think
of the idea of Tiger Woods being done?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Well, yeah, I mean how old is how old is
Tiger now as late forties, early fifties. I mean, golfers,
golfers tend to just like their their championships tend to
kind of golfers tend to, even when they stay healthy,
they tend to kind of do their championships dissipate as
they get older. You know, maybe you could make an
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exception for like Phil Mickelson or something, or even Tiger
when he came back and won the Masters after some
surgeries and injuries. But yeah, he's listen, I don't know
if Tiger Woods swings a golf club again like his yeah,
I don't know, he might just fall into pieces like
a like a Jenga a you know, a Jenga game
or something. He's it's time, It's time. And if he's
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in pain playing like why why? You know, I get it,
he wants to keep playing. But even golfers at forty
nine are honestly, they're out there making checks, finishing, you know,
in the twenties at a tournament or championship. So it's
time for him to go. And we all see it,
have for him to go retire, That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah,
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just but and yeah, it's just he's if this is
your second torn achilles and all the other stuff. I mean,
golf golf, A golf swing effects your entire body, and
you really need that power.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
And you need that precision. And I don't think he
has it anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, No, I mean, like, look, can you play golf
the rest of your life all banged up? Yeah? The
back makes it really hard.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And his back has been an issue. Yeah, and I don't.
I don't know he's gonna only be doing maybe putt
putt in the future. I mean, I don't know if
he's even gonna be able to no, like golf, he
won't play, yeah, full swing into it, but I'm sure
he'll play some golf for leisure. But yeah, it's at
this point it's tough just to eat.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Sell the game. So I guess here's the question you
can answer on social media when you hear the Tiger
Woods probably never plays professional golf again, like real competitive
professional golf again, what comes to your mind? Again, Look,
there's a percentage of people that will always be the
salacious Tiger car accident right around Thanksgiving week and all
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that happened, and all that stuff. That'll be part of it.
But what comes to your mind. For me, it's Tiger
made golf cool. Golf was way dorkier than baseball ever
would be. It was. It was even more country club
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than tennis West back then. And I think that's the
power of what he's been able to do. And I
will co sign with what Jase Dos saying in regards
to to Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
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Speaker 1 (17:06):
It's a Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. You know,
I think there's a big question in the NFL right now.
You know that question is why haven't the Steelers and
Aaron Rodgers consummated their relationship? Whoa we think consummated? You're
thinking differently. It's actually a tournament works for this one
as well. Let's welcome in Armando Solgero. Of course, he's
a longtime NFL writer. He writes for OutKick Now when
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he joines on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, Armando,
it just I don't know, it feels too easy for
Aaron Rodgers to go to the quarterback star of Steelers.
You know, it's they, hey, we're a quarterback away. Now
they go out and sign, you know, they go and
trade for an elite wide receiver signed to a contract extension.
Why hasn't this been done yet?
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Because nothing is easy with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is
a very thoughtful individual and sometimes thoughtful individuals over at
the and so that's what he's doing right now. He's
overthinking the fact that the Steelers have a great culture,
stability in their head coach, playmakers on the outside now
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because they added DK Metcalf and they had George Pickens.
They've got a good do better than good defense led
by TJ. Watt, and they're a playoff team that could
go further with his services. But he's overthinking it and going,
h is this really what I want to do? Or
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do I want to go to the New York Giants,
or do I want to retire, or do I want
to hope somebody else shows up and offers me.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Something Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Ultimately,
does he get done?
Speaker 6 (18:54):
I believe that, you know, he will ultimately come out
of his big think tank and decide this is Look,
sometimes the easy answer is the right answer, and I
think that that's the way that he'll go. I'm assuming here,
and we don't really no one has the insight on
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this at this point. I'm assuming that the Steelers aren't
trying to rip him off. I'm assuming that the Steelers
are offering legitimate money for his services, so they didn't
have to do that last year with Russell Wilson. I'm
assuming they understand that Aaron Rodgers is not in the
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same situation. So if that assumption is correct, and everybody
seems to be holding that assumption, then I think it
works out.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
A monos Ago from OutKick goes the NFL join us
on the Doug Outlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Mando,
let's let's get to some of the other quarterback movement.
Sam Donald ends up going to Seattle, Gino Smith goes
back with the coaching staff that he first had in Seattle.
In Vegas, I give you Minnesota, Seattle and oak and Elgin. Minnesota,
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Seattle and Vegas ranked the three in terms of done.
Who's done the best with those quarterback maneuvers.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Well, obviously, Minnesota just lost a guy that threw thirty
four thirty five touchdown passes last year, but they didn't
expect that to happen anyway. Their plan was JJ McCarthy
all along with Sam Donald as the backup. It turns
out that McCarthy was hurt and so the backup had
to step in and low and the old surprised everybody.
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So the Vikings are likely to go back to the
McCarthy plan this year. And I say likely because at
the end of the day, until Aaron Rodgers picks his
team kicks either the Steelers or the Giants, I'm not
going to say that the Vikings are definitely not a
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factor in that whole deal. As far as Seattle's concerned, look,
they said publicly we want Geno Smith. He's our guy.
We're going to enter into contract negotiations. The problem is
that Gino Smith said, okay, in these contract negotiations, I'm
worth a certain amount, and the Seahawks weren't there. They
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looked around and the contract that they wanted to give
Gino Smith, well, then Sam Darnald was willing to take it,
and so they moved on from Gino Smith, sent him
to the Las Vegas Raiders and signed Sam Darnald, who,
by the way, last year, I know he had a
rough ending the last two games in the season finale
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and the playoff game, but he did have a better
season that and Gino Smith. He's way younger than Gino Smith.
And now they got him for the price of Gino Smith.
And as far as Geno Smith, look, the Raiders had
nobody and Gino Smith is better than that. And Gino
Smith is good. He's going to be the best quarterback
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that they have basically on paper since they added Jimmy
Garoppolo and know that didn't work out, but at least
Geno Smith is likely to stay healthy, has proven himself
in the same system with Pete Carroll, So there's confidence
that they're going to be fine.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You mentioned confidence Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
You got to have confidence in what Howie and the
Eagles are doing. But it is interesting how many of
their defensive players they've lost, and yet they doubled down
on Saquon Barkley, who is under contract. I get that
you'd feel like you did really well with the Saquon
move and he had an unbelievable season, but at the
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right move to allow so many defense players to walk
out the door, mean while spending more the running backers
in their contract.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Right. So they've lost Josh Sweat, They've lost Milton Williams.
They you know they're going to be without j Gardner Johnson,
Darius Slay is gone, They're probably not going to resign
McKay beck, and there's a lot of lost talent there.
And you're absolutely right they used some cap space in
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order to reward Tae Kwon Berkley. It's going to play
well within the locker room that reward, because I mean,
let's let's be honest. Sakuon didn't just play well last year.
He delivered a historic season. He was over two thousand yards.
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He was the leader of that offense the entire season.
And you can argue that they don't win a Super Bowl,
that they're not even in the Super Bowl without him.
So I understand what they're doing, but it does come
at a cost of absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
One d Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Tradio. Armando,
of course, has worked in Miami for years. I'm sure
you saw the video of Tua recently where Tua it's
off season, Tua, right, Pat Mahomes comes in plump. Well,
he's won a couple of Super Bowls. He's fine. Tua
comes in plump, and we got issue. Last year was
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in the best shape of his life. Any reason to
concern yourself with the recent video where Tua Tungovailoa appears
to put on a good amount of weight.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
So I'm looking at a calendar, it's March. If I'm
looking at the calendar and it's July and we're looking
at the same kind of body style that Tuo was,
you know, boasting on that yacht. Then there's reason to go, hey,
wait a second here, Uh, dude, put the beer down,
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pick up a dumb well, let's go. But it is March.
He's got, you know, some time to get a little
different between now and July.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
That's that's the perspective that I want to take it.
It's easy to go, oh my god, he's he's out,
he's out of shape, he's always got a concussion. It's terrible,
the sky is falling. I think that cooler heads should
prevail and wait until it's time to be in shape
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to see if he is in shape.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's that's definitely fair That's definitely definitely fair enough. It's
Doug Otlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what
do you think about DeVante Adams and the Rams. It's
just weird that Stafford. They're like, yeah, go find a
trade partner, and then all of a sudden he comes back.
Now he's back with the Rams, and now they add
DeVante Adams. What's your feel for what went on there?
Speaker 6 (25:57):
So the Rams basically are are making a trade with themselves.
They're releasing Cooper Cup. They signed Davante Adams. And this
is interesting because the whole narrative with the New York
Jets last year was that they were a tremendous disaster.
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And yes, I got you. They fired their coach, they
fired their general manager, there was leaks everywhere, and they
lost a lot eleven games. But that doesn't mean that
Davante Adams was terrible, and it definitely doesn't mean that
Aaron Rodgers was terrible. Yet that is the narrative. Davante
Adams was terrible with the Jets. Aaron Rodgers was terrible
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with the Jets. Davante Adams had seven touchdowns last year
for the Jets, He caught over sixty passes. He went
for over eight hundred yards in eleven games. Well, Davante
Adams last year was one thousand yard receiver. Aaron Rodgers
do twenty eight touchdown passes. Mahome through twenty So I'm
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not saying that those guys that DeVante Adams is better
than anybody out there. I'm not saying Aaron Rodgers is
better than Patrick Mahomes. What I'm saying is the narrative.
I'm those two guys, they've been swept up in the
Jets horribleness, and they weren't necessarily horrible. They were not
good enough obviously to lift the team, but they weren't horrible.
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I think the Rams got a good, a very good
receiver in DeVante Adams and whoever signs Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
If they've got a solid offensive line, they're going to
reap the benefits of a good, good NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Well, it's gonna be interesting, Armando, awesome stuff. Has always
really appreciate you, Joys, thanks for our guest of Fox
Sports Tradio.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
My pleasure always Brothers fast.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I looll expect to be that fast Doug Gottlieb show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Oh yeah. The Pittsburgh thing
is really interesting to me though. Why has not Why
has that not not happened yet? I have it? Sam?
What why? What's your what's your hypotheses? Why have they
not gotten this done yet? Why has Aaron Rodgers not
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signed with Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I mean back to what our Armando said, it all
comes back to Rogers and what's going through his head.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
And it's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
He was yeah, he was one hund right, it's always
complicated with Aaron Rods and.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Rogers loves the attention. So if he can milk some
attention out of this his name being relevant in the
news for a few weeks, he's going to do that.
Speaker 7 (28:40):
I wouldn't be surprised if it's complicated when he orders
a meal and a restaurant server's just standing there.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You know. Well, first he very clearly, but very slowly,
very deliberately. Yes, very deliberately, very deliberately. I went to
breakfast this morning with my boss and I was thinking
about my order, and I always like I checked myself
on my order, you know, you know, I got the
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It was like it was the Mexican scramble or something
and had eggs. Did not have beans in it, though
I was like, man, that must be that's that's a
Wisconsin best can scramble. Did have taco meat, some other
stuff in there, some pepper's in there, some pico de gayo,
but no no beans. It wasn't ways of Centros anyway.
Point is the beans in there. He does strike me
as somebody who's very What kind of milk do you
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have for that coffee? Not almond, not oat, It's a
whole coconut. I think he's a coconut milk guy. Coconut
milk guy, can you, Matt? I guess he doesn't feel
like a black coffee guy at Starbucks, but he also
doesn't feel like a frappuccino guy.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I don't know if does does Rogers even drink coffee.
Maybe he's more of a chai latte dude.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
You know that's a perfect example, right again, but everybody
has a Starbucks order. I just wonder, what is this?
What are you gonna say, Jasuo?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well, he's the guy that if he were to walk
into his regular Starbucks and the barista were to say
the usual, he would not get the usual, just to
be a pain in the ass, Like he just he
wants to be there. He's like that friend that you're
thinking about inviting him to somewhere, but you know that
if you invite them, the invite's going to be a
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pain in the ass. And then once that person gets
to your whatever, they're going to be a pain in
the ass.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
That's why Jason's never invited me to one of his
dinner parties.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
That's the reason.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Like who like loves to soak up the attention like
that you know the spotlight time me, I'm gonna take
my sweet time.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
What name do you think he puts on his cup
at Starbucks A A ron, Yeah, it's it's it's definitely
a code name. It's definitely Krusty shack. That's funny. Just
to Rusty Rusty.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
That was Dale Gribbles of Alias on King of the Hill.
Was Rusty Shackleford.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Did you know that my dad wanted to Amy Rusty?
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I like, there's not enough Rusties out there?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Is it short for rustin?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
No? He wontedn Amy Rusty, just Rusty.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
No, no, short long form.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Rusty doesn't go with Gottlieb. I'm not sure Doug goes
with gottlib because then you have to g you pronounced
stacked up at each other yet, Doug when we have
Greg Gottlieb and Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
But yeah, but Rusty Gottlieb. I mean it would work,
it would work. But what is rust is it? Rusty
is sometimes short for rusting? Rusty is just rusty rusty?
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, like dusty Dusty is not short for dustin? Is it?
Maybe it is?
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah dustin?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah? Yeah.
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Here for better or worse?
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Start with, of course, NFL Free Agency Geno Smith or
Sam Donald right now? For better or worse Geno Smith
or Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I think it's Sam Donald. I don't think it's particularly close.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Well, then answers that now, doesn't it all right? Then
onto college basketball Cooper Flag or Auburn's Jeni Bom for
better or worse.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Cooper Flag that room quite possibly National Player of the Year.
But yeah, I'm gonna go Jennifer, all right, I.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
Revisiting a topic from earlier on this show. For better
or worse Tiger Woods flat out retiring or Tiger Woods
attempting to continue to play for better.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Or worse worsus Tiger Woods attempting to continue to play.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Oh, I did want to flush something out. I want
you to complete this sentence. If Tiger Woods had not
had the two thousand and nine infidelity scandal, dot dot
dot complete that. Oh, because you had that, other.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
World would be different. Yeah. Yeah, the whole world would
be different.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I've always said this. During the pandemic, you know, we
all were glued to the TV and stuff we watched.
Uh was it Lion King, Tiger King? Whatever the hell
that was?
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Tiger King?
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Yeah, everyone watched. The people also watched Lion King.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
I'm sure people did. Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
The original in the remake, along with the Jordan documentary,
one documentary that kind of went under the radar a
little bit was the Tiger Words doc and it was
very well done, very salacious. Had witnesses, had women, had
all this stuff. And to this day, so it's been
five years, Tiger Woods has never addressed the doc. I
think that's the biggest get in sports booking right now.
(34:42):
Booked Tiger Woods to address every scene of that multi
episode doc. I'm serious. I want answers. I want him
to say, this is what really happened, truth or this happened.
I need him to confirm it.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
I barely remember that documentary, which is crazy, although I
do remember a book that it was based on, which
was awesomely well done by highly regarded journalists Armin Kataan
and Jeff Benedict. But for some reason, I have no
memory of the documentary. Yeah. Well, if you give me
a new password, I would be able to watch it anyway.
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Onto the ends, onto the yeah, your password is personal.
Onto the NBA doug for better or worse, the Cleveland
Cavaliers or the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Oh, I'll say. I'll say the Oklahoma City Thunder are better,
just because that group has been through the disappointment of
a of a short finals run, you know, a short
playoff run last year. I think that I think that's
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a good thing.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
All right.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Just a quick follow up, if you and projected the
people in the NBA offices in Olympic Tower, there about
a Cleveland Cavaliers Oklahoma City Thunder NBA Final. From a
ratings and business standpoint, their reaction would be.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Uh, not good, not good, not good it out? Yep,
not get it out.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
I mean, we haven't had in my recent memory that
I can recall a what you would consider mid market
NBA finals. I mean, we almost once had, like the
Indiana Pacers and the Portland trail Blazers, but I think
we've never had one from a market population standpoint as
Cleveland and Oklahoma City potentially. All right, last item for you.
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All right, we're going to go into your smartphones for
better or worse iPhone or Android as a slam dunk
to me. But anyway, how about you for better or
worse iPhones or androids?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I know Android phones are supposedly better, but I'm an
iPhone guy, and it's like once the once you once
you find your phone or your what's.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Called system operating system, right.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Operating system, that's kind of who you are.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
It's yeah, it's what you get used to the certain
details of phones, the key keyboard.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
You decide, you know. It's like obviously people are born
into a family Christian, Jewish, Muslim, but generally like once
you decide what religion are you, like not switching people
do but not not.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
iPhones are like peanut butter for Americans, and then like
androids are like vegemite for the rest of the like
for Australia.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
I don't know. There's just like, no, I don't want
that way of describing.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
I'm probably missing better than peanut butter, but vegemites, like
you have to have like choiet taste for it.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
Anybody around here ever had vegemite, by the way.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I have tried it.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
It's bitter yeast dye products that they put on toast
in Australia.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
Yeah, all right, all I know is vegemite from from
the song by Men at Work.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
But I've never had this vegemite sandwich.
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is doing Covino and Rich all week right, and like
Dan Byers our resident golf guy. But I do think
that this is a really really interesting discussion to have.
So Tiger woodsh was announced yesterday he'd torn his achilles
at Tendon. I believe that's his second achilles tenant and
tear in his career. The first was when he had
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also torn his acl and he won the US Open
on the extra playoff day against rock O Mediate Right,
like how good is my golf knowledge there? I don't
know the year, Damn, we know the year, dam we
know each hole. But I do remember that he was
playing with a torn crew and apparently later we found
out it was a it was a torn Achilles tenant
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as well, anyway towards Achilles tendon. And you're gonna have
everybody in their brother going saying what I said when
he had the last car accident, which is, yeah, that's
that's probably it, right, that's probably it. And so what
happens is and you get to your forties and your fifties,
and I'm sure when your sixties and seventies even more
so is people he their entire career, and when that
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career comes to an end or they start to look older,
it's like inevitably at that moment you go like, God,
I feel way older. I feel like ten years older
today than I did yesterday. And males have that. I
think the answer is yes, but I look at this
thing completely differently. So I want you to think back
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to before Tiger Woods existed in your brain as a
golf savant. So, Sam, you're not quite old enough to
do this, maybe a little bit, but I know Jason,
you are, I loo is as well. Buyers sort is
as well, and I am, which is we're old enough
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to remember when golf wasn't a thing. Golf was guys
in ugly pants at country clubs that we didn't get into,
playing courses we didn't care about, with traditions we didn't know,
nor did we invest in learning about. That was golf
pre Tiger Woods. Like I remember when Payne Stewart won,
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and I remember when he tragically died, and Payne Stuart
and everybody didn't wear knickers back then, right, it was
still kind of clever to wear knickers, but the fact
that he wore knickers was like, yeah, that's a golf thing.
Like why would any human being on earth wear that
at any point in time in their life? Like baseball
players only wear baseball pants because those are baseball pants
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and you have to Why would you wear knickers when
you can, you know, I guess wear slacks and a
nice little polo. That's how we perceived golf. That's what
golf was. Golf is elitist, elitist, elitist. If you grew up,
and I've come to learn it's a little bit different,
especially in the Midwest. Now living in the Midwest where
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in Wisconsin you have have you're a football, basketball, or
hockey guy, right and then summer you're either out in
the water or you're fishing, or you're playing golf. It's
generally it like I would say, high high percentage in
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the Midwest, and even in Oklahoma where I've lived there
a good number of years. People love, love golf. But
for those of us who grew up lower, middle income,
bigger cities sports guys, golf wasn't discussed in mainstream sports
then the way it is now. Why Eldrick tiger Woods,
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he just changed everything. Nike was never a player in golf,
and I know they're not with him now in golf,
but that was all tiger Woods. Like literally he made
golf cool. He made Nike golf cool. And so in
addition to in addition to finding our you know, kind
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of what's the word I'm looking for, in addition to
learning about golf, just the ability to watch golf, talk
about golf and not have it be some kind of
foreign like golf on TV might as well have been
hockey on TV. In my house, every once in a
while you put it on when there was something big happening,
and you felt completely lost by it. I don't know
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these guys' names, I know thing about him, I don't
know this course. All that changed with Tiger. And so
then when you when he suffers an Achilles ten and tear,
and then you start to go through the litany of
injuries and his lack of competitiveness, and you realize his
professional career is effectively over. You start to take stock
of it. And for some people they think, okay, is
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golf in a good place or a bad place? You know,
you got two kind of competing tours. There's no Tiger
Woods in terms of dominance or dynamic personality, and there
doesn't appeared to be one in the horizon. But instead
of looking at that, the way I look at it
when I take stock is how amazing is it that
one guy can make golf both relevant and cool all
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at the same time. And that's what he did. And
you know, now he's almost like a Frankenstein type character
with all of the different work he's had to have done.
He's was it Joan Rivers who used to do the
daytime talk and she had so much plastic surgery done,
like is she most known for plastic surgery. Jay Stu,
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who would be most known for plexic surgery, where you're like,
those lips aren't real, those boobs aren't real, that butt
not real, that hair appears to be enhanced, the eyes different,
the face different. Who would that be?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think she's the pioneer. Yeah, I think she was
one of the first. There's been much worse examples since,
but I think she was kind of out in front
of them.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Right. It feels like as an athlete, that's where Tiger
is now, right Like, I don't know if this is
the same Achilles a different one. He's torn up his knee,
he had the car accident, He's had multiple back surgeries.
I mean that poor guy, right Like, it almost feels
like he goes and calls his doctor and his doctors
like again again again, let me ask you, Jay s
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dou because again, you're much more And he grew up
for people don't know, Tiger Woods grew up fairly close
to where Jay Stu grew up, right got north central
Orange County. When I say Tiger Woods and the idea
of Tiger Woods not playing golf ever again or professional
golf ever again, do you look forward? Do you think
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current or do you think of the whole story in
what what's happened with his career?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, like you, I think I saw there before and
the after on this, and I think that I just
think of like the I don't even know what the
word as the revolutionary impact he had. Is that a
word evolutionary?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Would it be evolutionary or revolutionary?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And in it I automatically think of Kaitlyn Clark and
I again, I want to be like the solo voice
on this and maybe you can co sign on this.
I want to convince women's basketball fans that Caitlyn Clark
is the Tiger Woods of your sport. She's a unicorn,
She's a one of a kind. You're never going to
see it again. You better take advantage of it while
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it lasts. That's kind of how I felt about Tiger
Like that, Golf, I think did a great job of
taking full advantage of what he had to offer. There
was some rough things up front. That fuzzy Zeller comment
early was regrettable, but I think after a while people
started to get in wine right Because there was some
(08:49):
some pushback early from the the uh, the old golfer,
but I think people started to fall in Wi. It's like,
this guy's literally, not literally but raising all boats with this,
and I'm not going to fight it. And I think
women's basketball has a lesson to learn there.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Well, it's interesting because in many ways, you know, we
were looking at at what topics to talk about today, right,
we were trying to kick around, like do we talk
about you know, Cooper Cup and Cooper Cup can be
released by the Rams, right, And again, he hasn't had
the same effect as either the two that we mentioned,
(09:26):
but it's pretty obvious. Do I think he has more
football in him? I hope he does because I like
him and I think he's a stud. And again, if
we say the quiet part out loud, which is like,
he was the best wide receiver in the league and
he wasn't a white guy who was a slot wide receiver,
Like he was a legit number one wide receiver, and
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he'd overcome all of these things order to make him
into that. And then he and I don't want to
say single handedly, but as an offensive weapon, he was
the only weapon that Matt Stafford used on the on
the game winning drive in the Super Bowl against cinc
Standy Bengals. At so far right, that did happen like
he had the most. Maybe he wasn't long lived, it's
(10:08):
in his own way. It's like a Priest Holmes type
of short lived, unbelievable career, best in his craft. And
then maybe his body has fallen apart here, you know,
with the multiple knee injuries. But I do think there's
something remarkable about a guy who can now. He hasn't
brought Cooper Cup didn't bring attention to the NFL, not
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nearly the Pied Piper the way that you're talking about
Caitlin Clark or Tiger Woods. But I would say has
broke through a bunch of stereotypes in the NFL, that'd
be fair, and made what was previously seemed as not
likely or impossible into possible. But the other part to
it is the when there there's a point in time
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in which your body just says I'm done. Right, my
body just says I'm done. But I like Caitlin Clark
is the Tiger Woods of the WNBA. I do, I do.
And there's a lot of similarities there with people pushing
back against it, and people pushed it back against Tiger
(11:12):
right then, Remember they tiger rized courses as well. And
what I bet will happen, which is what you're talking about,
Jase two, is if you ask anybody in golf now,
they'll say, the reason that we don't have another Tiger
Woods is there's so many good young golfers. And there's
so many good young golfers because twenty years ago they
were all watching that dude dominate and he made golf cool.
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And all of those country club kids or borderline country
club kids, and all those parents of like, why am
I going to have my kid go out and play
basketball when he has no chance? Why am I going
to have him play out and play football when he
has no chance? When all he's got to do is
take golf lessons, play golf, and if he can get
some steel will if you will, maybe he can compete.
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And there's a litany of super super talented golfers between
the ages of you know, twenty and thirty five. That
the type of depth of golf talent we'd never seen.
He made golf cool. I don't know if Caitlin Clark
makes it cool, but it's definitely gonna make it cool
to a ton of young women. And here's the other
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here's the other thing. They're doing. This is a big one. Okay.
The WNBA was known as a gay league, right, it
was a gay and it was a lesbian league. That's
what's always been seen. And I think this is one
of the things. All credit Angel Reese. She's not the
only one. What's the young woman who signed with the
woman who signed with the Pacers and the Pacers, the
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fever attractive blonde she had all her press stuff for yesterday,
Sophie Cunningham, right, and then all of a sudden, now
it's like, wait a second, we're actually beautiful women who
play basketball, which is great because whether it brings a
male audience or not, that doesn't matter. What it does
(13:02):
is and I can't remember which former basketball players said this,
you guys can probably google it, which is like, hey,
I wasn't sending my kid to play basketball because yeah,
I didn't want to be around those lifestyles. If you
go to a high school volleyball terment AU volleyball tournament.
I know. So my buddies are ex NBA players, ex
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college players, and they were like, dude, you want to
know where all of their all their daughters play. They
all play volleyball. And one reason they all play volleyball
is there was always there's always been the perception that
it's not really a league for head sexual women. It's
not really somewhere that they feel comfortable they belong. I
think she's changing that. I think that's part of why
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there are such pushback against her. But I think she's
changing that. I think Angel Reese is changing that for
the better, for the better. So to your point, I'm
going to agree with you because and look, Madison Avenue
agrees to look at when you watch NBA games, many
of the people on those ads now are women, are
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female and female basketball players. So I'm with that For you, Sam,
what do you think of when you when you think
of the idea of Tiger Woods being done?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Well, yeah, I mean how old is how old is
Tiger now as late forties, early fifties. I mean, golfers,
golfers tend to just like their their championships tend to
kind of golfers tend to, even when they stay healthy,
they tend to kind of do their championships dissipate as
they get older. You know, maybe you could make an
(14:37):
exception for like Phil Mickelson or something, or even Tiger
when he came back and won the Masters after some
surgeries and injuries. But yeah, he's listen, I don't know
if Tiger Woods swings a golf club again like his yeah,
I don't know, he might just fall into pieces like
a like a Jenga a you know, a Jenga game
or something. He's it's time, It's time. And if he's
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in pain playing like why why? You know, I get it,
he wants to keep playing. But even golfers at forty
nine are honestly, they're out there making checks, finishing, you know,
in the twenties at a tournament or championship. So it's
time for him to go. And we all see it,
have for him to go retire, That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah,
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just but and yeah, it's just he's if this is
your second torn achilles and all the other stuff. I mean,
golf golf, A golf swing effects your entire body, and
you really need that power.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
And you need that precision. And I don't think he
has it anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, No, I mean, like, look, can you play golf
the rest of your life all banged up? Yeah? The
back makes it really hard.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And his back has been an issue. Yeah, and I don't.
I don't know he's gonna only be doing maybe putt
putt in the future. I mean, I don't know if
he's even gonna be able to no, like golf, he
won't play, yeah, full swing into it, but I'm sure
he'll play some golf for leisure. But yeah, it's at
this point it's tough just to eat.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Sell the game. So I guess here's the question you
can answer on social media when you hear the Tiger
Woods probably never plays professional golf again, like real competitive
professional golf again, what comes to your mind? Again, Look,
there's a percentage of people that will always be the
salacious Tiger car accident right around Thanksgiving week and all
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that happened, and all that stuff. That'll be part of it.
But what comes to your mind. For me, it's Tiger
made golf cool. Golf was way dorkier than baseball ever
would be. It was. It was even more country club
(16:45):
than tennis West back then. And I think that's the
power of what he's been able to do. And I
will co sign with what Jase Dos saying in regards
to to Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
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It's a Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. You know,
I think there's a big question in the NFL right now.
You know that question is why haven't the Steelers and
Aaron Rodgers consummated their relationship? Whoa we think consummated? You're
thinking differently. It's actually a tournament works for this one
as well. Let's welcome in Armando Solgero. Of course, he's
a longtime NFL writer. He writes for OutKick Now when
(17:28):
he joines on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, Armando,
it just I don't know, it feels too easy for
Aaron Rodgers to go to the quarterback star of Steelers.
You know, it's they, hey, we're a quarterback away. Now
they go out and sign, you know, they go and
trade for an elite wide receiver signed to a contract extension.
Why hasn't this been done yet?
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Because nothing is easy with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is
a very thoughtful individual and sometimes thoughtful individuals over at
the and so that's what he's doing right now. He's
overthinking the fact that the Steelers have a great culture,
stability in their head coach, playmakers on the outside now
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because they added DK Metcalf and they had George Pickens.
They've got a good do better than good defense led
by TJ. Watt, and they're a playoff team that could
go further with his services. But he's overthinking it and going,
h is this really what I want to do? Or
(18:36):
do I want to go to the New York Giants,
or do I want to retire, or do I want
to hope somebody else shows up and offers me.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Something Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Ultimately,
does he get done?
Speaker 6 (18:54):
I believe that, you know, he will ultimately come out
of his big think tank and decide this is Look,
sometimes the easy answer is the right answer, and I
think that that's the way that he'll go. I'm assuming here,
and we don't really no one has the insight on
(19:19):
this at this point. I'm assuming that the Steelers aren't
trying to rip him off. I'm assuming that the Steelers
are offering legitimate money for his services, so they didn't
have to do that last year with Russell Wilson. I'm
assuming they understand that Aaron Rodgers is not in the
(19:44):
same situation. So if that assumption is correct, and everybody
seems to be holding that assumption, then I think it
works out.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
A monos Ago from OutKick goes the NFL join us
on the Doug Outlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Mando,
let's let's get to some of the other quarterback movement.
Sam Donald ends up going to Seattle, Gino Smith goes
back with the coaching staff that he first had in Seattle.
In Vegas, I give you Minnesota, Seattle and oak and Elgin. Minnesota,
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Seattle and Vegas ranked the three in terms of done.
Who's done the best with those quarterback maneuvers.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Well, obviously, Minnesota just lost a guy that threw thirty
four thirty five touchdown passes last year, but they didn't
expect that to happen anyway. Their plan was JJ McCarthy
all along with Sam Donald as the backup. It turns
out that McCarthy was hurt and so the backup had
to step in and low and the old surprised everybody.
(20:48):
So the Vikings are likely to go back to the
McCarthy plan this year. And I say likely because at
the end of the day, until Aaron Rodgers picks his
team kicks either the Steelers or the Giants, I'm not
going to say that the Vikings are definitely not a
(21:10):
factor in that whole deal. As far as Seattle's concerned, look,
they said publicly we want Geno Smith. He's our guy.
We're going to enter into contract negotiations. The problem is
that Gino Smith said, okay, in these contract negotiations, I'm
worth a certain amount, and the Seahawks weren't there. They
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looked around and the contract that they wanted to give
Gino Smith, well, then Sam Darnald was willing to take it,
and so they moved on from Gino Smith, sent him
to the Las Vegas Raiders and signed Sam Darnald, who,
by the way, last year, I know he had a
rough ending the last two games in the season finale
(21:55):
and the playoff game, but he did have a better
season that and Gino Smith. He's way younger than Gino Smith.
And now they got him for the price of Gino Smith.
And as far as Geno Smith, look, the Raiders had
nobody and Gino Smith is better than that. And Gino
Smith is good. He's going to be the best quarterback
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that they have basically on paper since they added Jimmy
Garoppolo and know that didn't work out, but at least
Geno Smith is likely to stay healthy, has proven himself
in the same system with Pete Carroll, So there's confidence
that they're going to be fine.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You mentioned confidence Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
You got to have confidence in what Howie and the
Eagles are doing. But it is interesting how many of
their defensive players they've lost, and yet they doubled down
on Saquon Barkley, who is under contract. I get that
you'd feel like you did really well with the Saquon
move and he had an unbelievable season, but at the
(23:00):
right move to allow so many defense players to walk
out the door, mean while spending more the running backers
in their contract.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Right. So they've lost Josh Sweat, They've lost Milton Williams.
They you know they're going to be without j Gardner Johnson,
Darius Slay is gone, They're probably not going to resign
McKay beck, and there's a lot of lost talent there.
And you're absolutely right they used some cap space in
(23:30):
order to reward Tae Kwon Berkley. It's going to play
well within the locker room that reward, because I mean,
let's let's be honest. Sakuon didn't just play well last year.
He delivered a historic season. He was over two thousand yards.
(23:50):
He was the leader of that offense the entire season.
And you can argue that they don't win a Super Bowl,
that they're not even in the Super Bowl without him.
So I understand what they're doing, but it does come
at a cost of absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
One d Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Tradio. Armando,
of course, has worked in Miami for years. I'm sure
you saw the video of Tua recently where Tua it's
off season, Tua, right, Pat Mahomes comes in plump. Well,
he's won a couple of Super Bowls. He's fine. Tua
comes in plump, and we got issue. Last year was
(24:28):
in the best shape of his life. Any reason to
concern yourself with the recent video where Tua Tungovailoa appears
to put on a good amount of weight.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
So I'm looking at a calendar, it's March. If I'm
looking at the calendar and it's July and we're looking
at the same kind of body style that Tuo was,
you know, boasting on that yacht. Then there's reason to go, hey,
wait a second here, Uh, dude, put the beer down,
(24:59):
pick up a dumb well, let's go. But it is March.
He's got, you know, some time to get a little
different between now and July.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
That's that's the perspective that I want to take it.
It's easy to go, oh my god, he's he's out,
he's out of shape, he's always got a concussion. It's terrible,
the sky is falling. I think that cooler heads should
prevail and wait until it's time to be in shape
(25:32):
to see if he is in shape.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's that's definitely fair That's definitely definitely fair enough. It's
Doug Otlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what
do you think about DeVante Adams and the Rams. It's
just weird that Stafford. They're like, yeah, go find a
trade partner, and then all of a sudden he comes back.
Now he's back with the Rams, and now they add
DeVante Adams. What's your feel for what went on there?
Speaker 6 (25:57):
So the Rams basically are are making a trade with themselves.
They're releasing Cooper Cup. They signed Davante Adams. And this
is interesting because the whole narrative with the New York
Jets last year was that they were a tremendous disaster.
(26:17):
And yes, I got you. They fired their coach, they
fired their general manager, there was leaks everywhere, and they
lost a lot eleven games. But that doesn't mean that
Davante Adams was terrible, and it definitely doesn't mean that
Aaron Rodgers was terrible. Yet that is the narrative. Davante
Adams was terrible with the Jets. Aaron Rodgers was terrible
(26:41):
with the Jets. Davante Adams had seven touchdowns last year
for the Jets, He caught over sixty passes. He went
for over eight hundred yards in eleven games. Well, Davante
Adams last year was one thousand yard receiver. Aaron Rodgers
do twenty eight touchdown passes. Mahome through twenty So I'm
(27:03):
not saying that those guys that DeVante Adams is better
than anybody out there. I'm not saying Aaron Rodgers is
better than Patrick Mahomes. What I'm saying is the narrative.
I'm those two guys, they've been swept up in the
Jets horribleness, and they weren't necessarily horrible. They were not
good enough obviously to lift the team, but they weren't horrible.
(27:27):
I think the Rams got a good, a very good
receiver in DeVante Adams and whoever signs Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
If they've got a solid offensive line, they're going to
reap the benefits of a good, good NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Well, it's gonna be interesting, Armando, awesome stuff. Has always
really appreciate you, Joys, thanks for our guest of Fox
Sports Tradio.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
My pleasure always Brothers fast.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I looll expect to be that fast Doug Gottlieb show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Oh yeah. The Pittsburgh thing
is really interesting to me though. Why has not Why
has that not not happened yet? I have it? Sam?
What why? What's your what's your hypotheses? Why have they
not gotten this done yet? Why has Aaron Rodgers not
(28:17):
signed with Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I mean back to what our Armando said, it all
comes back to Rogers and what's going through his head.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
And it's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
He was yeah, he was one hund right, it's always
complicated with Aaron Rods and.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Rogers loves the attention. So if he can milk some
attention out of this his name being relevant in the
news for a few weeks, he's going to do that.
Speaker 7 (28:40):
I wouldn't be surprised if it's complicated when he orders
a meal and a restaurant server's just standing there.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You know. Well, first he very clearly, but very slowly,
very deliberately. Yes, very deliberately, very deliberately. I went to
breakfast this morning with my boss and I was thinking
about my order, and I always like I checked myself
on my order, you know, you know, I got the
(29:08):
It was like it was the Mexican scramble or something
and had eggs. Did not have beans in it, though
I was like, man, that must be that's that's a
Wisconsin best can scramble. Did have taco meat, some other
stuff in there, some pepper's in there, some pico de gayo,
but no no beans. It wasn't ways of Centros anyway.
Point is the beans in there. He does strike me
as somebody who's very What kind of milk do you
(29:31):
have for that coffee? Not almond, not oat, It's a
whole coconut. I think he's a coconut milk guy. Coconut
milk guy, can you, Matt? I guess he doesn't feel
like a black coffee guy at Starbucks, but he also
doesn't feel like a frappuccino guy.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I don't know if does does Rogers even drink coffee.
Maybe he's more of a chai latte dude.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
You know that's a perfect example, right again, but everybody
has a Starbucks order. I just wonder, what is this?
What are you gonna say, Jasuo?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well, he's the guy that if he were to walk
into his regular Starbucks and the barista were to say
the usual, he would not get the usual, just to
be a pain in the ass, Like he just he
wants to be there. He's like that friend that you're
thinking about inviting him to somewhere, but you know that
if you invite them, the invite's going to be a
(30:23):
pain in the ass. And then once that person gets
to your whatever, they're going to be a pain in
the ass.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
That's why Jason's never invited me to one of his
dinner parties.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
That's the reason.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Like who like loves to soak up the attention like
that you know the spotlight time me, I'm gonna take
my sweet time.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
What name do you think he puts on his cup
at Starbucks A A ron, Yeah, it's it's it's definitely
a code name. It's definitely Krusty shack. That's funny. Just
to Rusty Rusty.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
That was Dale Gribbles of Alias on King of the Hill.
Was Rusty Shackleford.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Did you know that my dad wanted to Amy Rusty?
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I like, there's not enough Rusties out there?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Is it short for rustin?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
No? He wontedn Amy Rusty, just Rusty.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
No, no, short long form.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Rusty doesn't go with Gottlieb. I'm not sure Doug goes
with gottlib because then you have to g you pronounced
stacked up at each other yet, Doug when we have
Greg Gottlieb and Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
But yeah, but Rusty Gottlieb. I mean it would work,
it would work. But what is rust is it? Rusty
is sometimes short for rusting? Rusty is just rusty rusty?
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, like dusty Dusty is not short for dustin? Is it?
Maybe it is?
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah dustin?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
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Speaker 5 (32:18):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
I love what you got, but all right, let's see
you press this button.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Here for better or worse?
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Start with, of course, NFL Free Agency Geno Smith or
Sam Donald right now? For better or worse Geno Smith
or Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I think it's Sam Donald. I don't think it's particularly close.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Well, then answers that now, doesn't it all right? Then
onto college basketball Cooper Flag or Auburn's Jeni Bom for
better or worse.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Cooper Flag that room quite possibly National Player of the Year.
But yeah, I'm gonna go Jennifer, all right, I.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
Revisiting a topic from earlier on this show. For better
or worse Tiger Woods flat out retiring or Tiger Woods
attempting to continue to play for better.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Or worse worsus Tiger Woods attempting to continue to play.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Oh, I did want to flush something out. I want
you to complete this sentence. If Tiger Woods had not
had the two thousand and nine infidelity scandal, dot dot
dot complete that. Oh, because you had that, other.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
World would be different. Yeah. Yeah, the whole world would
be different.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I've always said this. During the pandemic, you know, we
all were glued to the TV and stuff we watched.
Uh was it Lion King, Tiger King? Whatever the hell
that was?
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Tiger King?
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Yeah, everyone watched. The people also watched Lion King.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
I'm sure people did. Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
The original in the remake, along with the Jordan documentary,
one documentary that kind of went under the radar a
little bit was the Tiger Words doc and it was
very well done, very salacious. Had witnesses, had women, had
all this stuff. And to this day, so it's been
five years, Tiger Woods has never addressed the doc. I
think that's the biggest get in sports booking right now.
(34:42):
Booked Tiger Woods to address every scene of that multi
episode doc. I'm serious. I want answers. I want him
to say, this is what really happened, truth or this happened.
I need him to confirm it.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
I barely remember that documentary, which is crazy, although I
do remember a book that it was based on, which
was awesomely well done by highly regarded journalists Armin Kataan
and Jeff Benedict. But for some reason, I have no
memory of the documentary. Yeah. Well, if you give me
a new password, I would be able to watch it anyway.
(35:16):
Onto the ends, onto the yeah, your password is personal.
Onto the NBA doug for better or worse, the Cleveland
Cavaliers or the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Oh, I'll say. I'll say the Oklahoma City Thunder are better,
just because that group has been through the disappointment of
a of a short finals run, you know, a short
playoff run last year. I think that I think that's
(35:52):
a good thing.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
All right.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Just a quick follow up, if you and projected the
people in the NBA offices in Olympic Tower, there about
a Cleveland Cavaliers Oklahoma City Thunder NBA Final. From a
ratings and business standpoint, their reaction would be.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Uh, not good, not good, not good it out? Yep,
not get it out.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
I mean, we haven't had in my recent memory that
I can recall a what you would consider mid market
NBA finals. I mean, we almost once had, like the
Indiana Pacers and the Portland trail Blazers, but I think
we've never had one from a market population standpoint as
Cleveland and Oklahoma City potentially. All right, last item for you.
(36:49):
All right, we're going to go into your smartphones for
better or worse iPhone or Android as a slam dunk
to me. But anyway, how about you for better or
worse iPhones or androids?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I know Android phones are supposedly better, but I'm an
iPhone guy, and it's like once the once you once
you find your phone or your what's.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Called system operating system, right.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Operating system, that's kind of who you are.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
It's yeah, it's what you get used to the certain
details of phones, the key keyboard.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
You decide, you know. It's like obviously people are born
into a family Christian, Jewish, Muslim, but generally like once
you decide what religion are you, like not switching people
do but not not.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
iPhones are like peanut butter for Americans, and then like
androids are like vegemite for the rest of the like
for Australia.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
I don't know. There's just like, no, I don't want
that way of describing.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
I'm probably missing better than peanut butter, but vegemites, like
you have to have like choiet taste for it.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
Anybody around here ever had vegemite, by the way.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I have tried it.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
It's bitter yeast dye products that they put on toast
in Australia.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
Yeah, all right, all I know is vegemite from from
the song by Men at Work.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
But I've never had this vegemite sandwich.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
And that's this edition to four Better or Worse.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
This is game time on The Dog Gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Show, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Ray d Oh, all right,
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