April 2, 2025 • 53 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Dan Beyer and Ryan Hollins in for Doug as they discuss the Nuggets' double overtime loss to the T-Wolves Tuesday night and the roles Nikola Jokic and Russell Westbrook standing out for opposite reasons.
In this version of The Midway, Dan and Ryan and the crew share their Final Four memories.
Dan and Ryan have different reactions to Draymond Green's take that the older generation doesn't respect the current general of NBA players.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
They ad Jahn Morant could be in more hot Water,
Steph Curry's got ice in his veins, and one a
night last night in Denver, Ryan Hollins, you got a
busy day, you got a Rockets game tonight, but for
the next two hours it's you and me talking.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Oops.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Oh, this is gonna be good. Dan.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
You know what, I wouldn't have it any other way.
If I could do this for every game, Dan, I
would love to.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
This would be great. There's plenty to talk about. Double
overtime Classic last night Iowa. Sam is here. You heard
Isaac Low and Cron at the news DEESK and the
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I bring up Jason's name because Jason is one who
is always amazed by Nicola Jokic, and last night absolutely
no different. Ryan Hollins a triple double, but a sixty
point triple double, sixty one points, ten rebounds and ten assists,
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but all in a loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves last night,
one forty to one thirty nine. As much as I
would like to talk about Jokic and Julius Randall was
talking about Jokic after the game, I can't get away
from Russell Westbrook. So you're you're the NBA vet, You're
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a UCLA guy, You're a center.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
We could go any which way on this.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
You look at last night's double overtime game between the
Wolves and Nuggets, with all of the details that I
just gave you, what stands out in that Western Conference Classic?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Well, here's the thing you gotta stick with you. You
gotta start with Yokic. Okay, a sixty point triple double.
I don't know how many of the I think what
maybe James Harden was close. James Harden maybe had that number,
was maybe the last to hit that in the modern
era that I remember. I don't think we've even seen
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that from the greatness of Lebron. But a sixty point
triple double, man, that's that's out of this world. And
when you play against Yokic, and I've competed against him,
he plays the right way. He makes the right play
every time down to court, and that's what honestly makes
him extremely special. That's when you look up and you go,
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this guy is out of this world. If you back up,
he hits a three. If you get up, he drives
by you. When he's stuck, he hits a fade away.
If he draws too, he hits the open shooter every
single time. And when you're when you're looking at Jokic,
I think that we're we're gonna We're not. I'm gonna
say this, Dan, we not. We might not just be
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talking the greatest center ever when it's all said and
done for him. We might be talking possibly the greatest
player ever. And I think obviously there's more ahead. He'd
have to win more championships, But obviously, if he continues that,
we're talking about possibly the greatest player ever, and we're
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and we're gonna hurt some films cause you hurt Dan.
You hurt feelings when you do that. When you pass
up Magic Johnson, it hurts some feelings. When you pass
up Larry Bird. Okay, it hurts some feelings.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I completely understand the hurt feelings portion of this. And
you were spot on with the James Harden triple double
January of twenty eighteen, he had a sixty point, eleven assists,
ten rebound game. Jokicch last night at sixty one points,
ten assists, ten rebounds. Luka don the only other to
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have a sixty point triple double sixty points, twenty one
rebounds in tennysis in a game against the Knicks a
couple of years ago. This is the point with Jokic
that and last night they were playing without Jamal Murray,
did not have Michael Porter Junior. It's the reason I
bring that up is I get guys are missing all
the time.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I'm not saying that that's an excuse, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
But they didn't win last night, and so Jokic's performance
almost in a way, I don't want to say it
goes out the window, but there is there is a
there is a back end to it that is not fulfilling,
if that's maybe the way to put it, and the
reason why I just think it's it's so crazy to
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try to decide on who we should be talking about,
because you're right, it is Jokic, it is the greatness.
And it's another example of a three time MVP putting
a team on his shoulders. And I think that's maybe
another part of the discussion that maybe we're gonna have
if we're gonna go down your road. But it's just
the fact of it's a no brainer. But it's also
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a game Ryan where Russell Westbrook misses a free throw
that could have given the Nuggets a two point lead,
miss is a layup that could have given them a
three point lead, and then commits what was the foul
that ended up costing them the game.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
On the Timberwolves radio network.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
Jokis tries to bat it towards the other end of
the floor, but the horn sounds it's over that heel
has come through to clutch free throws to win it.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
For the Wolves.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
That was the final call.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It was not the foul on the three, but the
three that set up the free throws for Minnesota to
win the game. The foul was committed by Russell Westbrook,
and I'm just saying to myself, only Russell Westbrook, this
can only happen to Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Ryan Hollins.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Where a historic night for Nikola Jokic on the verge
of leading his team, carrying them on his shoulders, But
it's only Russell Westbrook that is put into this position.
And I use Kobe in the situation of Kobe joked
about it. He would never go zero for twelve or
oh for thirteen because he would shoot ten or fifteen
more times. Like he's not going to go out only
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shooting ten or eleven twelve times in a game. And
I feel like that's Westbrook. They're shorthanded last night, Westbrook
feels that he's Russell Westbrook, unable to get the free
throw in a way of trying to seal the deal.
Maybe other players would have pulled the basketball out to
work some clock be put on the free throw line.
He goes in for the layup, crotches that between the
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rim and the backboard, and then commits the follow because
he's messed up the last two possessions. But he's so prideful,
and he is Russell Westbrook where I feel other players
may have sulked in that situation, may have not tried
to go on tilt. But in the end, Russell Westbrook
ends up ruining Nikola Jokicic's night. And that's why I
can't get away from this Westbrook deal.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
And here's the best thing about Denver and Westbrook that
I'm loving is they accept Russ for who he is.
And sometimes those mistakes are who he is.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
You gotta own it.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
And again to even be in that position, Russ is
gonna play valuable minutes. He comes off the bench, he
brings a spark. And here's the thing, Russell like my
little brother man. I watched him come up from UCLA
and put in the work and unapologetically become who he is.
And I also know the one thing that Russ needs,
and that's working well. I played for Mike Malone. Now
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I bring up Mike Malone because Mike Malone is a
truth teller. If he didn't feel like Boogie Cousins was
bringing it in practice or being the best version of himself,
he'd kick come out of practice. He'd get on his
head he'd bring those things to the table. So unapologetically,
Mike Malone is also going to tell Russ you messed up.
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Hey Russ, you got to be better. Hey Russ, you
need to make this play or that play, or you
just need to be more fundamental. But the one thing
that he's been, and I believe that the Nuggets were
kind of falling off from from their championship year, is
just energy. You know, someone to bring energy, someone to ignite,
someone to keep them motivated. And you know what Russ
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has been at. So for Denver, they're going to accept
the good.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
With the bad. And Dan, if you've got Russ, you
got to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I get you know, I get it. And it's not
a pilelon. It wasn't meant to to pile on Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Would you would you agree that they're like nobody is
nobody is having that sequence in the NBA, maybe maybe
three or four players because what I mean by that,
Ryan is and we're gonna get back to the Jokics
part because I feel that there is there is a
connection to all of this. But that means Westbrook's got
the ball late in the game, twenty seconds left he's
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at the free throw line. He's also in the right
spot at the right time on a turnover, makes the
right pass to Christian Brown, Brown gives it back to him,
and he just ends up missing the free throw, but
then goes completely on tilt and trying to get back
on defense and trying to make the play. I just
feel that anybody else in the league is maybe not
doing one or the other. Maybe they are pulling the
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ball out, maybe they're giving the ball back to Christian
Brown on the fast break in different situations. But because
who he is, who he is, and there's a lot
of good with that that Russell Westbrook's the only one
that would have that sort of sequence in the NBA,
because other players may shy away from it, and maybe
better players would end up coming through and making the
basket at that time. That's I just think that that
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situation was so fit for Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
You're right, I'm sitting here like Daan as you're saying
saying it. I'm run it through my mind and I'm
going who else may come came up and even be
trusted to be in a game or needed to be
in a game in that situation, And yet could make
that type of play.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You know, Heavy is the one who wears the crown,
right I mean, and so he does wear it. And
when you've got someone like Jokich who again sixty one,
ten and ten, it just ends up magnifying that sort
of did Now, Now, in the grand scheme of things,
I don't think it's going to be It's gonna you're
gonna look back at this night. You're gonna remember the
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sixty one, ten and ten. Then you are gonna remember
the one forty to one thirty nine. Even in the
Mavericks game and the James Harden Trouble double, I assume
they won, but I don't know. And I think at
some point, probably five years down the line will be like,
all right, Jokich had that. Maybe we'll forget that it
was in a a in a double overtime game. But
in the grand scheme of things, back to your point
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about about Yo Kich, I think that this moves on
into the you know, in in to the sunset and
to the ether, whatever the case is. We remember the numbers,
and we also now will remember a quote, and I
think this says it all. This was Julius Randall of
the Timberwolves after last night's game that they beat the
Denver Nuggets, talking about what life is like guarding the
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Kola Jokic in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I told him he's incredible like that.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
Dude is absolutely ridiculous. Bro, He's touch around the rim.
He missed someboddies too. I guess when you score sixty one,
you're gonna miss something. Damn, Bro, that's I can't like this.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
You who turned around off the wrong foot?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Do you know Fadan Took is right?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
He's doing all type of crazy. I don't even know
how to explain.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
It is that all others are on the league field. Well,
Julius Randall expressed last night.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Let me let me tell you something.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
For a guy like Julius Rando or another NBA player
fresh off the game, to give you that type of respect.
Players don't like to give respect. We don't like to
when somebody kicks our butt. We don't like to speak
up and say that someone kicked our butter. How good
they are. That's how good he is. You know that
that you take your hat off and you give that respect.
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You know, it's funny what comes to mind, and obviously
at even at a higher level, I remember we were
in the Eastern Conference of Eastern Finals, right, and we're
playing against Lebron in the heat, and you know Paul Pierce,
Ray Allen KG. The mindset was, hey, Lebron's not tough enough.
You know, when it comes down to execution or comes
down to a big moment, our guys are tough. We've
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seen it before. Our guys know how to execute. You know,
Paul Pierce can work off the ELBOWKG, He's gonna be
in a pick and pop. Even Rondo would step up
in a big shot, do it's needed. Rey Allen is
certified and proven in those moments. You can't leave him
pick your poison in that space, right And in the
mindset was there like we got him, we got and
when Lebron, well, Lebron showed out and he had that
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game I think it was what game six? He had
that legendary game six. And then when the game was over,
I remember I watched Paul go He's like that, he's
the best. He's good enough for a different scenario. But
when you see guys go out and prove it, that's
the greatest respet fact that you can get is from
you know somebody that you work with or somebody that
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is a competitor, you know. So you know, if I
do a show and Dan Byer goes out and you know, hey,
that Brian Hollins is something else.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
That guy really brings it to the table. That's a compliment.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
That's the that's the best one that you can get,
you know, because the friends and family, the fans are
going to be there with the truth tellers.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
But when you're a competitor brings that to the table,
it's just different.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Dan, Yeah, I get it. No, and you do bring it.
I will say that's what he does, or Ryan Hollins
does always bring it, just like Nikola Jokicch does.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
It's it's crazy because it's over.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And over again for Jokisch and so you saying like
he could be on track for greatest of all time.
I don't think that he's going to be. I just
I don't think that's going to be the case. I
think that there's a lot of stuff that has to
go with it. I think that what he has done
though in this short period is nothing short of amazing.
And now he's put himself again back into an MVP conversation,
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probably won't win it. But still we know what the
MVP voting is. My question now comes to this because
I've even been critical of what's going on in Milwaukee,
because the Bucks have tried to do everything around Giannis
to make it work and it hasn't since they won
a title. And I know we're only a couple of
years removed from Denver doing so. And again last night
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they weren't playing with Jamal Murray that in and Michael
Porter Junior. You know, but at some point when are
we going to start to look at the Nuggets and
Nuggets and say, Okay, he's got one championship, and is
this team doing enough to surround him in a way.
Where As a Bucks fan, Ryan, it is increasingly frustrating
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to see every move not come to fruition or something
go wrong in their pursuit of trying to win another championship.
And Denver again only a couple of years removed from
winning at all. But they're sitting there a number three
in the West right now. I don't see tons of
people picking them to come out out of the West
to win it this year. That's just the other The
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next domino that I wonder with Denver is where we're
looking at is when do you start making those moves
for Jokic because now you feel that you've had five
straight seasons of MVP caliber play and you're gonna come
away with a title out of it. I just I
think that that conversation could be on the horizon right now.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
The answer is right now, it's the answers right.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Nobody's and nobody. If this is the Lakers, would obviously
be having this conversation. But nobody's having that conversation about
the Denver Nuggets right now. But we alwayte I don't
want to say wasting because that's not the right term,
but maybe we're not maximizing what he is bringing to
the table for that organization. Again, they only wanted they
wanted two years ago. So I completely understand the uh,
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the the timetable that we're in. But again, when you're
looking at the greatness of who he is and what
he's done, like many.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Hey, hey, Dan, I answer that question before you know
the biggest problem. You know the biggest problem. He takes
his role players and he makes him play so well, Okay,
Bruce Brown, and they play so well you can't afford
to keep them. Jeff Green, you can't bring them back,
like they play so well that like you have to
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pay the guys that are there, so it's not like, ah,
we can't see moving forward. You're like, man, this guy
fins Porter Junior. He's big, he shoots the basketball, he
stretches the floor, you know, like like you gotta pay
Aaron Gordon's excellent back cutting and play it off like
you gotta pay the guys that are there so they
get strapped for cash.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. I heard something within the
last twenty four to forty eight hours in talking about
Jokicchen saying, you basically want Jokics to score because when
everybody else is getting theirs, it makes them that much
more difficult. So if you're gonna pick a poison and
they lost last night, you know, I know it wasn't
necessarily his fault, but like there would be an example
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of it. But people say, that's what makes them so
dangerous is when he is sitting there and he's what
top two, top three and assists in the NBA, When
he can move the basketball like that, it makes them
much better. But maybe you just let Jokic get his
and try to lock everybody else down maybe that's the
secrets of the success of stopping the Nuggets.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Yeah, when you play against great players that can do both,
that's what you do. When when we compete against Luca
or you compete against Lebron and those guys, you say,
you know he can score, he can assist, but he
can't get both, you know, So you make your mind
up and what you're trying to do to disrupt those guys.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Absolutely, And I know you didn't hate it last night.
Is it gave a little separation for your Rockets and
that two seed if it comes to that. By the way,
big win from Minnesota now pulling even with Memphis for
that sixth spot in the West. And we all know
what happens with the sixth spot. You don't have to
no playing tournament for the winner or whoever claims the
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six spot. Seventh spot, completely different story.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
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Speaker 3 (18:10):
And so Wednesday, and that means the Midway is coming up.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
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with me this afternoon as he's in for Doug. Then
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tonight on the call for the Rockets television broadcasts, they're
at home to the Utah Jazz. I expect a big
Rockets win tonight. Jazz are packing it in and somebody's
gonna go off for forty two.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
How about that, Ryan Hollins.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I'll take you.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
That'll be a great, great night that's told Jason, Hey,
great day. As a matter of fact.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
What a great twenty four hours for you hanging out
with us here and then taking in some Western Conference
act tonight in downtown Houston. I do want to address
when we just played our game a little while ago.
It's a running joke here on Fox Sports Radio on
my lack of movie knowledge. I just I don't watch
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a lot of movies, popular movies, tons of them I
haven't seen, and so it's a running joke. But we
had the passing of Val Kilmer come along. We're also
short on the break, Ryan Hollins, I don't know your
movie background at all. I can't guess. I don't know
if you love movies. I don't know if you hate movies.
But I do want to bring in Jason Stewart and
Isaac Low and Crown and Sam at least just for
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a little bit, because I don't want to disrespect. I
hope it didn't sound disrespectful as we were talking about
the passing of Val Kilmer.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I just don't see a lot of movies.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I actually did see the documentary about his career and
thought it was very well done and moving.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Didn't see it when it immediately.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Came out, but saw it probably within the last year
or two, and it let off the news in Los
Angeles last night following his passing with pneumonia at the
age of sixty five. And I just don't want to
downplay it by any means.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
And I know Jason Stewart had something to say. Ryan.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Again, I don't know your movie background with any of this,
if you want to add to it, but I do
want to give Jason the floor a little bit to
pay respect because of no means that I want our
Game Time thing to come off flippant or in a
way disrespectful because honestly, I haven't seen Real Genius in
thirty five years. I just remember he put the coins
in the vending machine, and I saw Top Gun when
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it aired on CBS, so that was my background of it.
I would rather lend the knowledge to someone who's more
in tune to the movie game, like Jason Stewart.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
Yeah, iowa Sam too. He used in the Val Kilmer's career.
Just to kind of sum it up a little bit.
I think that when I was like looking at his
choice of movies, again, great choices, and then he he
has this massive diversity of characters like this wise spectrum
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of you talk about Real Genius and Top Secret I
think was when he first entered movies, but his character
obviously is Iceman and Top Gun. And then Oliver Stone
at the peak of his filmmaking. This can't be understated. Oliverstone,
at the peak of his filmmaking, did a movie about
an iconic band and iconic personality, and he chose Val
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Kilmer to be Jim Morrison in nineteen ninety two. I
think that speaks volumes for how well respected he was
as an actor and that he could pull it off.
And it's really one of It's a top ten movie
for me. I love that movie. So yeah, rip Val Kilmer.
I know he's been struggling, and I know that there
was a lot of attention to the recent adaptation or
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the recent Top Gun movie and how Val did the
scene with Tom Cruise and there were a lot of
no dry eyes in the movie theaters. But yeah, rip,
amazing actor. I second that he was a part of
my childhood. He was probably at his he'd be still
acting now if he cancer had and sidelined him about
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ten eleven years ago.
Speaker 11 (22:15):
I thought he was a tremendous talent. Some of movies
in the nineties, late eighties and a lot of the nineties.
I love that Batman. He was in Batman Forever. A
lot of people like to pooh pooh on that one.
I think it's great, great cast. It's a different approach
to the Batman series. The Ghost in the Darkness with
Michael Douglas is a great one. The Island of Doctor
Moreau I saw as a kid. I don't know if
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it still holds up, but I enjoyed it. And Heat
The Tons of the Saint. A lot of movies. I
love Tombstone.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Tombstone absolutely your big movie guy, Ryan Hollins.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Well, for me my generation, Sam just said Val camer
was Batman. You know, you don't forget a Batman. I
thought he was a good one too, So I'm just
sorry to hear about his passing.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
That was news to me. Appreciate you guys recapping it.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Hopefully when day I'll pass and some guys will be
doing radio and remember me.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
They listen like, like, death is not easy to do
on the radio, and and the last thing that we
would ever want to do is be disrespectful. So that's
just why. And I'm not saying that that I was
or that we were, because I don't think that we were.
But I just want to make sure that we pay
true homage in a situation and not just move on
like it's the next hot topic of the day.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
We were able to do that. Now it's not for
the Midway.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
He's not getting it's time for.
Speaker 9 (23:35):
The Midway.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I'm gonna let Jason Stewart give you the background on
the Midway, Ryan Hollins, because this is going to be
right up your ally.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Jason, take it away.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
I want to, Uh, we have five people here today
on air that have a so much experience, both in
sports broadcasting and just as sports fans. Ryan is the
one among us who has actually played in the Final four.
But I I just want to think as we go
into this weekend, like when you think about final fours,
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whether you were there as a spectator watching on TV.
Maybe something was happening while you were watching that on TV,
like my example. But I just want what's the one
thing that sticks out? I want one from each of
you when you think final four? What comes to mind
right away? Isaac Lomancron, have you been sitting on this
for a while?
Speaker 12 (24:24):
What all right? I gotta be honest, It's more than
one thing, but I'll make it worth your while. I
actually covered the final four that Holland's played in in
two thousand and six. He had a double double in
the National Championship Game A lost to Florida. He probably
doesn't remember this, but I actually interviewed him in the
locker room after the game. He had a towel covering
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his head. They were in the Indianapolis Colts locker room
at the old RCA slash Hoo's your Dome. But the
two things that I remember, in addition to Holland's double
double number one. That Final four was the first time
I'd ever been to Steak and Shake, and I got addicted.
Speaker 9 (25:01):
I loved it so much.
Speaker 12 (25:02):
I literally ate three meals a day at Steak and
Shake for the five days we were there. And also,
and you guys can chime in on this if you want,
it was one of the last times that they played
the Final four in a dome that was divided in half,
and I felt that ever since they changed it and
had the Final four in domes where they play. They
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opened up the whole stadium and they put it in
the center of the field, and all the seats around
the court were lower than the court. I just that
just doesn't work for me. I liked it when it
was in domes cut in half. For some reason, I
just don't. I've never liked the way it's been since then.
So those are my impressions of the Final four experience.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I see all.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's only right that we then piggyback to the guy
that did play in that Final four and did play
in that National Championship game.
Speaker 12 (25:54):
Shut down Glenn Davis in the semi final.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I would maybe that was going to be his memory now.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Isaac her Iowa saying you've done like three things right
now on two thousand and six when the only ask
one you.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Glad you know there's a name for us. Yeah, no,
it's not really think Holland. No, it's definitely a thing. Now,
you guys just made that up.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
You feel like playing a good job. Drop of me
eighteen times a show. We can call this.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
That's an honor Iowa, Sam.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Thing and Ryan Hollins. What do you remember of the
two thousand and six final four or that may not
even be your final four memory? What do you got
on the midway?
Speaker 5 (26:28):
I remember sitting there in the final four as my
career ended, and I had a towel over my face
because I really didn't want to talk, and there's there's
this guy named I Low that just kept shoving his
recorder into my face, and I couldn't believe it. I'm like,
who's this guy that just keeps wanting to put his
recorder in my face as my college career ended? Knowing
in all seriousness, it's funny Ilo brought up the Dome
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and how big it was for those who don't know.
For the players, is such a weird environment because you've
got a UCLA section on the left, like Kareem shit,
I never seen it was my first I played four
years that you said, that was my first time seeing Kareem.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
He showed up.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
You know, the Brewing Faithful where there are all these
people come out of the woodwork because it happens fast.
They don't know if you're gonna advance or not, so
they're booking tickets and flights and taking off work. And
then you got this Florida section on the other side,
or when we played LSU and LSU section, and then
there's a bunch.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Of coaches that are so irritating.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
You don't know why they're irritating because they don't even
watch the game. And in the midst of you playing
for your your your life, okay, there's just a bunch
of chatter and talking and the floor is raised up
and you're just kind of playing. And it's a weird
environment because you hear people talking and you can hear
the fans to the left and kind of to the right.
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It was a unique experience because it's nothing like you
ever have been a part of. And then I remember
taking a jumper at the top of the key and
like there's no death perception, so for people who know
when you play, that's why you can shoot the lights
out and the twenty four fitness. Because the wall is
so close to the basket, you can see better, but
when you're there, you're kind of guessing where the basket is,
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if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
So I'll never forget it.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
We did get a win, and it really irritates me
because out of the three, we just get labeled. Okay,
am I being petty when I say this guy's I
want you guys to chime me tell me if I'm wrong.
We made we gotta win. We beat LSU and played
in the championship game. The two other UCLA teams got
there and got boat race. Now it's an accomplishment to
get there. The team who wins in the Final four
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but loses to the championship gets no credit for winning
a game.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, because the goal is to get
to the final four, right. Everybody was going crazy to
get to the final four, but there is no prize
for winning that game on Saturday. You are one hundred
percent correct, right, and you're right. There is more buzz
Saturday because you have the four schools and there just
there is a buzz that they're all all alive. Half
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the people leave after Saturday because their team is out
of it. You're completely correct on that, all right, Ryan
Real Fast. Was Tyris Thomas on that LSU team?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
He was they were stacked, man.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
They even had they had pros on the bench. So
did LSU. I mean, so did Florida. Florida had most
spates on the bench. They had pros that weren't even playing.
Richard's was on the bench for Florida. And like they're
like Garrett Temple played for LSU. Like they were. They
were stacked, man. There are guys that ended up playing
long into the NBA.
Speaker 10 (29:28):
So Tyrs Thomas is a I want to say, a
graduate assistant or an assistant coach on Doug Gottlieb's staff
at Green Bay. And I had the pleasure of meeting Tyros,
but we had an unusual first meeting. We went to
a dinner. We went to a dinner of the night
before Doug's first game, and Tyros walks up to me
and says Tyrus Thomas. And I said, I am a
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huge Syracuse fan, and he looked at me without even
pausing and said, I've never been to Syracuse. I had
him hues with Eton Thomas.
Speaker 13 (30:02):
Oh yeah, Jason, Wow, he's like one of the more
storied LSU athletes time, never so embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Jason pulls me aside and goes, did you go to Syracuse?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Good? No, he went to LSU and and so.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Didn't go over Well, I could tell you that didn't
go over.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Well, Iowa Sam Final four memories.
Speaker 11 (30:29):
Well, I think that this moment is even more relevant
this year, in the past few weeks of the tournament
than ever.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Caitlyn Clark highlight.
Speaker 11 (30:37):
No, no, I thought we were taking the men here,
could have gone to Kate and Clark easily.
Speaker 14 (30:41):
No.
Speaker 11 (30:41):
Gordon Hayward almost winning it for Butler in twenty ten,
fifteen years ago, you almost had the instance of the
incident of a of a mid major winning it all.
And now we're having talks about that may never that
never might happen again. You know, it's gone the other direction.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
And in the Row six Final four, actually, maybe most
famously before Florida went back to back was that was
George Mason making their run to Indianapolis in that season,
upsetting topsid Yukon in the Elite eight to get there.
Speaker 11 (31:18):
So, of course if Gordon Hayward shot had dropped through,
they would have won by a point, Butler would have
been your national champions and maybe the landscape of college
basketball would have been a little different. Probably not, but
at least we would have been able to say that
one mid major did.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Go win it all.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I completely agree with Isaac's point about the domes in
the stadiums. In two thousand and nine was the first
year that was at Ford Field in Detroit where they
did put it in the center. Two thousand and eight
in San Antonio, Mario Chalmers with the three at the
end of regulation against Memphis to force the overtime and
then have Kansas winning. It would be the last time
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they did it in the Split Dome, and I had
mid court media seats three rows back from the scores
from that Memphis Kansas game. It was that was in
the window that I covered final fours. I've been fortunate
enough to go to five of them, and that was
smack dab in the window.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
So I'll never forget.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I'll never forget two thousand and eight and the shot
because Memphis just had so many opportunities to try to
seal the deal and they couldn't do it, and gave
Kansas life and Chalmers hit the three and then ran
away with it in overtime. Do you guys have first
Final four memories? The first Final Four memory that I realized,
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by the way, it was nineteen eighty five Villanova Georgetown.
That was my first. I don't remember what happened in
eighty four eighty three. I don't remember NC State obviously
knowing what happens now, but I don't remember those happening.
Speaker 12 (32:44):
My first memory was the year after that. Purvis Ellison
of Louisville led the way. And I can't emphasize how
big back in that era, and Dan can probably back
me up on this. Making the cover of Sports Illustrated
was such a huge deal back then and to this day.
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I remember Purvis Ellison making the cover of Sports Illustrated
after I even remember the posey was in after winning
the national championship for Louisville.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah, that's what Duke would lose. That's what Duke would
lose in the Final four.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I don't think that Tyris Thomas was your final form memory, Jason,
so I apologize if.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I wow passed it, but did you have a final
form memory?
Speaker 10 (33:26):
I wanted to show this because I know the listeners
could relate to this. I was in the middle of
college in nineteen ninety three. That's how old I am.
By the way, I know that dates mean middle of college.
And we went to Vegas and watched the Final four
at Caesar's Palace. So I have money that I have
no business gambling. I have like zero money in my
bank account starting college student, and I put a lot
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of money on Michigan plus two and a half. That's
Key plus two and a half Michigan. Chris Weber calls
time out as Michigan is down too with thirteen seconds left.
North Carolina gets a couple free throws and wins by six.
So not only did Michigan lose its chance to win
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the national championship, but I lost money I didn't have
on Michigan.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Thank you, Chris Weber, bed sense. I love that final four.
I love the year prior to and Duke ran away
with it in the second half because I just I
was not a Fab five fan.
Speaker 10 (34:26):
And I've bet a lot of money since.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
By the way, Jason's Beenana, you know it's been gosh
twenty nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
I was in the third grade. That's a little perspective I.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Was.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I was in high school at that time.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Was that's that memory is gosh, you think of all
the great final fours that you had in the ninety
Arizona going on their run in nineteen ninety seven with
Miles Simon as the four seed, good friend, three number
one seeds in the final four, and then the four
seed Arizona they end up winning it. We've talked a
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bunch here about Scotti Thurman's three. I wasn't at the buzzer,
but I kind of sealed the deal for Arkansas in
nineteen ninety four. But my goodness, the timeout it has
to be has to be top five final four moment,
maybe top three that we've seen you would say, right,
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I mean, you would have Keith Smart shot for Indiana
against Syracuse. You obviously have NC State, Michael Jordan Jordan
in eighty two, NC State in eighty three, Jim Valvana
running him around the court everywhere Chris Jenkins Doug likes
to bring up in twenty sixteen. But the timeout, I mean,
that's still the test of time. Crazy All right, good
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midway talking about the final four, did you you look
back at those times? Finally, finally at Ryan Hollins Or
is it still like, hey, we didn't get anything for
being a runner up, or man, we were one win away,
because I mean it was quite a run and then
you kind of set the foundation for other UCLA teams
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to continue to go. Do you look back almost twenty
years later and can smile on it or is it
still sticking your craw a little bit.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
I don't think I've ever gotten kind of the respect
or felt that for doing that, because at UCLA they
don't count runner ups, like and then like we just
get grouped in like oh, three straight final fours, but
it's like, no, we actually won a game there, and
then you know, it's tough.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Like I was a senior, so I was just.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
In full gear to the NBA draft and just I
could not blink. If I blinked, i'd have missed out,
and I never would have, you know, had an opportunity
in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
But no, I don't think I've ever really like appreciate,
like appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Like the most is like I'll be in LA walking
around somewhere and someone to be like, hey, I remember
your run at UCLA. I remember you at UCLA because
I think, I guess what you don't realize too is
kind of I guess the cool thing at the time
is that I was, you know, the face of the team,
or at least at that time. I think Farmer and
the following those guys were big, But I had a
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heck of a tournament. I was very consistent. I was
the most outstanding player of the region, so my face
was put with the just the national media. You had NBA, NFL,
then you just had Ryan Hollins in the middle of
a lot of things, and especially kind of UCLA coming
back for the first time. So I don't think I've
gotten credit for that because we hadn't won it, but
there are little tidbits here.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, and I will say this, your school, your alma mater,
doesn't help because it's only about championships because of.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
What they did in the past.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
But I do think that it did set a foundation
for the Jordan Farmers and others over those next two years.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
So kudos to you. Want to run to the National
Championship Game Florida.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Hey, that mean it's a lot coming from you.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
N Yeah, No, it really was. It was my first
final four that I covered and and I'll never relate it. Yeah, absolutely,
So you remember me, I do, I do, Ryan Allins,
and then I always tell the story of the time
I got second rold tickets to the MAVs game. Remember
that story right behind the MAVs bench because we wanted
to sit by Marquito.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
And Hollins couldn't see over Ryan Hollins. Yes, our seats
were too good behind the bench.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Did you ask for us to sit down.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Down in front? I would I would never do that.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Because that would become personal. The fans would be like
can they sit down and be like no.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I also understood that you're seven feet so it was
just kind of I understood what I got.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
But that's what you have to deal.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
With, all right. How old were you back then when
in six? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
For the Final four?
Speaker 4 (38:43):
No, no, no, for the Dallas one.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Oh, the Dallas one. That was probably about like twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
So, by the way, did you see the April Fools?
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Did they showed the recap of like what the Greatest
April Fools where Cuban fought the referee?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yes, yes, good time. Yeah, and Rick Carlisle thought it
was the real deal.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
No, no, no, that was That was no, that was
Dale Del Harris.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Oh, Del Harris, That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Okay, Yeah, Harris was like, what's he doing?
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I'm bad?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
All right, let's give the Midway band a break, you guys,
get Hill the Midway.
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if you did miss it, Ryan Holland says that, yeah,
Nicola Jokic could be on track, could be on track
to maybe being the goat. A lot of time left.
You gotta win more titles, and I still think Ryan
having a center as the goat in today's day and
age will be a tough sell. But you can't argue
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the success over the last five years. It's just how
much can Jogic then continue on in his career.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Absolutely, he would need a significant amount amount more rings.
You're not wrong. In Denver. You'd have to attract free
agents there to play with him. You know, it is
hard in Denver because maybe you could sell the city
and not that Denver is a bad city, but it's
not La it's not New York, it's not Miami. It's
a little easier to sell there. And they're so good.
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They also tie up is it's hard for them to
get draft picks. You know, they can get solid players,
good players, but you may not get that at second superstar.
So you got to be really creative through free agency.
You got to be really great in the draft on
getting a potential prospect.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
You got to take a risk. Michael. I don't know
if you know the day Michael Porter Junior was a risk.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
He can in with back problems, which if you got
back in hip problems as an NBA player, that is
almost that's like the kiss of death.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
That's something that you may not ever.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Want sure, right, Yeah, what did he play like three
games at Missouri or something like that.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
But Michael Porter Junior was the best player in the
country in high school. He was a phenom. I mean,
he could jump out the gym, he could shoot. There's
nothing that he couldn't do. So you know, they took
a risk and you'd have to go in and you
have to kind of draft those players that might be
injured or little harder brown the edges and take a
chance on him and to bring talent in.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
He is Ryan Hollins.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I'm Dan byer in for Doug Gottlieb Liverothetirech dot Com Studios,
and Draymond Green is at it again in a series,
in a season, I should say, in the NBA, where
one of our biggest storylines is the NBA's biggest star
fighting with a media member. Draymond Green, a star in
his own right, has his own podcast, The Draymond Green
(41:59):
Show with Baron Davis. And at this exchange recently, Ryan
Hollins about rispect with the older generation.
Speaker 8 (42:08):
People say you must respect each era, but the past
eras don't respect this air.
Speaker 14 (42:12):
I don't think that's true in me.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
You don't see some of the things these guys say.
Speaker 14 (42:16):
The respect from the old is really do the young
dudes with us? Do they know who we are? That's
why you get a lot of hate from the older generation,
because they just want to be kept alive. One era
always think that the other area is sorry until you
leave the game and have an appreciation for the talent
that you have to play against.
Speaker 8 (42:37):
I disagree in the fact that no like these eras
don't respect us like I've seen several guys talk over
and over and over again, not in the positive life.
I don't think that respect is passed down to us
from the other generations. But I think people are quick
to say, oh, you got to respect them because they
came before I don't agree with that.
Speaker 14 (42:57):
You absolutely have to absolutely respect the people who came
before you, because.
Speaker 8 (43:03):
My respect is earned, and what you did to somebody
else don't necessarily earn you respect. Just because you played
before me does not mean you deserve respect. I'm sorry,
but God had in his plan for you to be
born before me, and you just deserve respect because of that.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Nah my mom may raised me that way.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
There's a lot to unpack there.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Ryan Hollins, Okay, yeah, he has I'll say this first
things First, when Draymond Green is talking about the older generation,
he's talking about two people. He's talking about Charles Barkley
and he's talking about Shaquille O'Neil.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
That is it.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Those are the two people that Draymond Green is talking about.
So when we have this conversation of the older generation,
Draymond I think feels that Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neil
speak for the entire generation.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
You forgot the big O.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Who's that?
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Oscar Robinson had some words for for Draymond too.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
I think in general though, I think whenever like this
and I didn't, I didn't get the work.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
You can fill me in.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
You pretty much said all Draymond's ever done is set
screens for Steph Curry and he should be happy.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Okay, I don't want to. I don't want to hear
him speak.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I'm kind of like paraphrasing, Yeah, okay, I that would
I would. I would feel offended if I was Draymond
Green in that case. But when you look at what
Oscar Robertson did in his career, I don't know how
you couldn't look at those numbers and say I have
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respect for what he did during his generation. This two
way street that Draymond feels that it is is it's
fine in the in the in the real world, if
someone wants to knock on my door and walk in
my house and be disrespect I didn't know who they were. Yeah,
they obviously don't have my respect. They can leave, they
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can get out of there. I don't need them around.
But when you're in a profession and when you're setting
the building blocks to have the game be where it
is today, for Draymond Green to do what he is
able to do, I just think that there has to
be the business that we are in right now. We
are in hallways where some of the radio greats have worked.
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Casey Kasem's studio plaque still has not been taken down
in our studios because there's respect there. And I just
feel that Draymond Green is in this bizarre world. And
I'm so glad that Baron Davis spoke up and said
what he said. But I just think that Draymond Green
is focused on two and now maybe three players because
he says that they said it often, and who talks
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more than Chuck and Shack because of inside the NBA.
But That's who I feel that he's talking about. And
I just feel that his angle on respect is just
one that is completely misguided, would make the old generation
not respect.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
The new generation.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
Like Draymond Green is Dan in this I can honestly
take it both ways. And the reason I take it
both ways you have to weigh in all the factors.
So what's pretty cool about working in Houston with the
Rockets is I get a chance to work with a
great Calvin Murphy.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
And Calvin Murphy he's got some.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
Of the most amazing stories you can get. And you
got to understand that today's player, even my generation of playing,
may have not been able to play back then, not
from a talent standpoint, But can you fly commercial? Can
you not have your masseuse? Can you get out there
with some Chuck Taylor's Calvin Murphy is and Dan. I
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want you to look this up. Don't do it if
you drive it, if you're listening to your driving, don't
look this up. But go look up a hockey helmet.
Calvin Murphy gets gets knocked upside the head pretty much
just unconscious. There's no conclude protocol, dude, And they say,
Calvin Murphy go out there, he's wearing a hockey helmet. Dude,
He's wearing a literal hockey helmet on in an NBA game.
Speaker 4 (47:12):
And that's the that's the joke. That's the joke.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
And and and that's how they dealt with concussions at
that time. So when they say could this guy play
in this era, it's not about the game. Jannis onto
the Coupo and Bill Russell and mianis O the Coopa
would run laps around what Bill Russell did. But at
that time, if you'd have seen Giannis out to the
Coupo and said go stand underneath the basket.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
Now today's NBA, they're like, hey, you can dribble a
little bit, push the ball full court, you know, expand
your games.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
So the different eras and different play styles come in
a factor. But from a commercial setting of dealing with
there's just so many elements of can't these guys. Can't
these guys make it out of season one?
Speaker 2 (47:52):
You're so spot on about that, and I don't want
to call them spoiled. But things are better now than
they were, way better compared to I mean, there's there's
no doubt about it. I wonder about this generation. Ryan Hollinson,
I consider you in a different generation.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Than I am.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I'm about ten years older than you. Give or take
look a little thank you. I appreciate that. It's very,
very kind of you. I just I look at like
generations like decades in that way. Maybe not twenty five
years when we're talking NBA, we're talking maybe every time.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
I'm two thousand nineties.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yes, yeah, yep, that's exactly right. I would say this
when it comes to looking at the way that the
current NBA player is, And I don't know if it's
I feel it's this way. I don't have any sixteen
seventeen eighteen year old kids. My son's only three, but
I remember my generation loving the NBA, knowing stats, knowing players,
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knowing teams, knowing the whole deal.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
And I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
If today's and I'm not I wasn't a high level
basketball player by any means, but I don't know if
the of if young players nowadays love the NBA. They
may love playing two K or video games or whatever
the way it was, but I feel like we embraced
the NBA, the teams, and its players when I was
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growing up, and I don't know if recent generations do
that anymore. And I think that's also a part of it,
where maybe they're just indifferent to what the past is.
But I feel like people my age, because we loved
what we came up with, which also means we loved
what was in the past. It's a different feeling. I
think that has something to do with all of this.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Poe product of your environment.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
These guys know their value and not only do they
play the game, they know the money that they can make.
They also know if I go out in an organization
and this has happened, go ask Isaiah Thomas. Okay, not
Zeke as Isaiah Thomas. My Isaiah Thomas and went to
Washington played for the Celtics and was asked to go
out in a game and play through an injury, and
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then he ends up having hip surgery and essentially derailed
his career. He had an all star career, but he
wants to put it all on the floor for his team.
Blake Griffin goes out and Detroit plays in the playoffs.
His knee's falling off, and Blake Griffin hadn't been doing
the same shoot he's calling games. He's in our field now, Dan,
So there are a number of guys that whose careers
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were derailed and understand their value. And you can look
back and say or you can get on Kawhi Leonard.
Kawhi Leonard, if he listens to some of those doctors
won't even be playing in the NBA anymore.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
You know.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
I know it's frustrating when we see some of these
guys take time off but their bodies could not handle it,
and it's really unfortunate and a game just passes you by.
But my point, Dan, you can call it soft, maybe
it's smart. Maybe it's knowing your value, Maybe it's knowing
to live to fight again another day. And I do
think there's some elements where it's soft. Just get out
and play, go work year, you work up through some
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discomfort or do you have a major injury looming? And
I think that's the challenge with some of these guys.
And again, product of your environment, are you someone that
just loves the game?
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Look, Dan, the circuits be told. When I speak to kids.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
In their groups, I go out and the one thing
that I tell them is, guys, I don't care what
your path is. Find something that you love. And the
reason I say it, Dan, and you can tell me
if I'm wrong here. I feel like I've never worked
a day in my life. They paid me to play basketball.
I'd have done it for free, Bro, I'd have been
at the YMCA playing. And this is more to your
generation speaking and I speak about it. I would talk
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about the game and things that I love for free,
so you enjoy it. And that's something Dan, you're apparently
a lot older. I thought we were the same age.
It looked great, but you know, we still have some
of those similar values where trying to play, go, trying
to practice go.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
These new guys are like, my knee's a little sore.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Sure I listen. It's just Draymond. And by the way,
I don't think that in Draymond and looking up the
comments that you mentioned did address the big old things
saying like I'm not going to come on here and
I'll go, you know, tit for tat with Oscar Robertson
and disrespect one of the greats. But I think it's
fair to say that it would probably be put in
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line with the other other comments there that are out there.
But why are we sitting here fighting with each other?
I remember remember that great show Open Court that knowes
on NBA TV, and it had all the great sitting around.
I remember like Chris Weber and other guys like just
waxing poetically about Bob McAdoo being like he was the
first stretch for that you.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Saw in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
And I feel that there's this generation of players now
that feel they're the first of everything. And maybe that
may be me being get off my lawn guy, but
I feel that there were previous generations that appreciated the history,
more appreciated where their positions came from. And nowadays it's
I'm it, I'm the thing, I'm what it is, and
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that's enough for them.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
And I think that's a shame.
Speaker 4 (52:56):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (52:58):
It's like the history books, it's hard to see if
you were not like the greatest ever or you know,
highlights that can live forever. You don't really know somebody's game,
you know, like like a David Thompson who could jump
out the gym, who was unbelievab Like a lot of
guys don't know what David Thompson was. Hey, a lot
of guys, hey, doctor J. These young guys don't know
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doctor J.
Speaker 4 (53:19):
Hey.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
The current NBA players will tell you, I don't really
know how good Michael Jordan was.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
No legit they have. They do not know how good
Michael Jordan was.
Speaker 5 (53:30):
So they're like, oh man Lebron all day, we haven't
seen anything like him. No, Michael Jordan was unbelievable. Without Michael,
there's no Kobe, there's no Lebron.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Sure I I And there's there's a lot to unpack.
We could keep going on, and I think your point
is fair. I just don't think that they even know
a lot of players, like you know how many people
on Wallace bottom line?
Speaker 4 (53:49):
No, No, you know lave Its. It's respect Dan, it's respecting.
Speaker 5 (53:52):
No one wants to feel slighted, and that's what happens
a lot of times. Recency biased, out of sight, out
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
They ad Jahn Morant could be in more hot Water,
Steph Curry's got ice in his veins, and one a
night last night in Denver, Ryan Hollins, you got a
busy day, you got a Rockets game tonight, but for
the next two hours it's you and me talking.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Oops.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Oh, this is gonna be good. Dan.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
You know what, I wouldn't have it any other way.
If I could do this for every game, Dan, I
would love to.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
This would be great. There's plenty to talk about. Double
overtime Classic last night Iowa. Sam is here. You heard
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I bring up Jason's name because Jason is one who
is always amazed by Nicola Jokic, and last night absolutely
no different. Ryan Hollins a triple double, but a sixty
point triple double, sixty one points, ten rebounds and ten assists,
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but all in a loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves last night,
one forty to one thirty nine. As much as I
would like to talk about Jokic and Julius Randall was
talking about Jokic after the game, I can't get away
from Russell Westbrook. So you're you're the NBA vet, You're
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a UCLA guy, You're a center.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
We could go any which way on this.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
You look at last night's double overtime game between the
Wolves and Nuggets, with all of the details that I
just gave you, what stands out in that Western Conference Classic?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Well, here's the thing you gotta stick with you. You
gotta start with Yokic. Okay, a sixty point triple double.
I don't know how many of the I think what
maybe James Harden was close. James Harden maybe had that number,
was maybe the last to hit that in the modern
era that I remember. I don't think we've even seen
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that from the greatness of Lebron. But a sixty point
triple double, man, that's that's out of this world. And
when you play against Yokic, and I've competed against him,
he plays the right way. He makes the right play
every time down to court, and that's what honestly makes
him extremely special. That's when you look up and you go,
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this guy is out of this world. If you back up,
he hits a three. If you get up, he drives
by you. When he's stuck, he hits a fade away.
If he draws too, he hits the open shooter every
single time. And when you're when you're looking at Jokic,
I think that we're we're gonna We're not. I'm gonna
say this, Dan, we not. We might not just be
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talking the greatest center ever when it's all said and
done for him. We might be talking possibly the greatest
player ever. And I think obviously there's more ahead. He'd
have to win more championships, But obviously, if he continues that,
we're talking about possibly the greatest player ever, and we're
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and we're gonna hurt some films cause you hurt Dan.
You hurt feelings when you do that. When you pass
up Magic Johnson, it hurts some feelings. When you pass
up Larry Bird. Okay, it hurts some feelings.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I completely understand the hurt feelings portion of this. And
you were spot on with the James Harden triple double
January of twenty eighteen, he had a sixty point, eleven assists,
ten rebound game. Jokicch last night at sixty one points,
ten assists, ten rebounds. Luka don the only other to
(04:01):
have a sixty point triple double sixty points, twenty one
rebounds in tennysis in a game against the Knicks a
couple of years ago. This is the point with Jokic
that and last night they were playing without Jamal Murray,
did not have Michael Porter Junior. It's the reason I
bring that up is I get guys are missing all
the time.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I'm not saying that that's an excuse, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
But they didn't win last night, and so Jokic's performance
almost in a way, I don't want to say it
goes out the window, but there is there is a
there is a back end to it that is not fulfilling,
if that's maybe the way to put it, and the
reason why I just think it's it's so crazy to
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try to decide on who we should be talking about,
because you're right, it is Jokic, it is the greatness.
And it's another example of a three time MVP putting
a team on his shoulders. And I think that's maybe
another part of the discussion that maybe we're gonna have
if we're gonna go down your road. But it's just
the fact of it's a no brainer. But it's also
(05:09):
a game Ryan where Russell Westbrook misses a free throw
that could have given the Nuggets a two point lead,
miss is a layup that could have given them a
three point lead, and then commits what was the foul
that ended up costing them the game.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
On the Timberwolves radio network.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
Jokis tries to bat it towards the other end of
the floor, but the horn sounds it's over that heel
has come through to clutch free throws to win it.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
For the Wolves.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
That was the final call.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It was not the foul on the three, but the
three that set up the free throws for Minnesota to
win the game. The foul was committed by Russell Westbrook,
and I'm just saying to myself, only Russell Westbrook, this
can only happen to Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Ryan Hollins.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Where a historic night for Nikola Jokic on the verge
of leading his team, carrying them on his shoulders, But
it's only Russell Westbrook that is put into this position.
And I use Kobe in the situation of Kobe joked
about it. He would never go zero for twelve or
oh for thirteen because he would shoot ten or fifteen
more times. Like he's not going to go out only
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shooting ten or eleven twelve times in a game. And
I feel like that's Westbrook. They're shorthanded last night, Westbrook
feels that he's Russell Westbrook, unable to get the free
throw in a way of trying to seal the deal.
Maybe other players would have pulled the basketball out to
work some clock be put on the free throw line.
He goes in for the layup, crotches that between the
(06:47):
rim and the backboard, and then commits the follow because
he's messed up the last two possessions. But he's so prideful,
and he is Russell Westbrook where I feel other players
may have sulked in that situation, may have not tried
to go on tilt. But in the end, Russell Westbrook
ends up ruining Nikola Jokicic's night. And that's why I
can't get away from this Westbrook deal.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
And here's the best thing about Denver and Westbrook that
I'm loving is they accept Russ for who he is.
And sometimes those mistakes are who he is.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
You gotta own it.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
And again to even be in that position, Russ is
gonna play valuable minutes. He comes off the bench, he
brings a spark. And here's the thing, Russell like my
little brother man. I watched him come up from UCLA
and put in the work and unapologetically become who he is.
And I also know the one thing that Russ needs,
and that's working well. I played for Mike Malone. Now
(07:42):
I bring up Mike Malone because Mike Malone is a
truth teller. If he didn't feel like Boogie Cousins was
bringing it in practice or being the best version of himself,
he'd kick come out of practice. He'd get on his
head he'd bring those things to the table. So unapologetically,
Mike Malone is also going to tell Russ you messed up.
(08:03):
Hey Russ, you got to be better. Hey Russ, you
need to make this play or that play, or you
just need to be more fundamental. But the one thing
that he's been, and I believe that the Nuggets were
kind of falling off from from their championship year, is
just energy. You know, someone to bring energy, someone to ignite,
someone to keep them motivated. And you know what Russ
(08:23):
has been at. So for Denver, they're going to accept
the good.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
With the bad. And Dan, if you've got Russ, you
got to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I get you know, I get it. And it's not
a pilelon. It wasn't meant to to pile on Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Would you would you agree that they're like nobody is
nobody is having that sequence in the NBA, maybe maybe
three or four players because what I mean by that,
Ryan is and we're gonna get back to the Jokics
part because I feel that there is there is a
connection to all of this. But that means Westbrook's got
the ball late in the game, twenty seconds left he's
(08:57):
at the free throw line. He's also in the right
spot at the right time on a turnover, makes the
right pass to Christian Brown, Brown gives it back to him,
and he just ends up missing the free throw, but
then goes completely on tilt and trying to get back
on defense and trying to make the play. I just
feel that anybody else in the league is maybe not
doing one or the other. Maybe they are pulling the
(09:19):
ball out, maybe they're giving the ball back to Christian
Brown on the fast break in different situations. But because
who he is, who he is, and there's a lot
of good with that that Russell Westbrook's the only one
that would have that sort of sequence in the NBA,
because other players may shy away from it, and maybe
better players would end up coming through and making the
basket at that time. That's I just think that that
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situation was so fit for Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
You're right, I'm sitting here like Daan as you're saying
saying it. I'm run it through my mind and I'm
going who else may come came up and even be
trusted to be in a game or needed to be
in a game in that situation, And yet could make
that type of play.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You know, Heavy is the one who wears the crown,
right I mean, and so he does wear it. And
when you've got someone like Jokich who again sixty one,
ten and ten, it just ends up magnifying that sort
of did Now, Now, in the grand scheme of things,
I don't think it's going to be It's gonna you're
gonna look back at this night. You're gonna remember the
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sixty one, ten and ten. Then you are gonna remember
the one forty to one thirty nine. Even in the
Mavericks game and the James Harden Trouble double, I assume
they won, but I don't know. And I think at
some point, probably five years down the line will be like,
all right, Jokich had that. Maybe we'll forget that it
was in a a in a double overtime game. But
in the grand scheme of things, back to your point
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about about Yo Kich, I think that this moves on
into the you know, in in to the sunset and
to the ether, whatever the case is. We remember the numbers,
and we also now will remember a quote, and I
think this says it all. This was Julius Randall of
the Timberwolves after last night's game that they beat the
Denver Nuggets, talking about what life is like guarding the
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Kola Jokic in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I told him he's incredible like that.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
Dude is absolutely ridiculous. Bro, He's touch around the rim.
He missed someboddies too. I guess when you score sixty one,
you're gonna miss something. Damn, Bro, that's I can't like this.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
You who turned around off the wrong foot?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Do you know Fadan Took is right?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
He's doing all type of crazy. I don't even know
how to explain.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
It is that all others are on the league field. Well,
Julius Randall expressed last night.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Let me let me tell you something.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
For a guy like Julius Rando or another NBA player
fresh off the game, to give you that type of respect.
Players don't like to give respect. We don't like to
when somebody kicks our butt. We don't like to speak
up and say that someone kicked our butter. How good
they are. That's how good he is. You know that
that you take your hat off and you give that respect.
(12:00):
You know, it's funny what comes to mind, and obviously
at even at a higher level, I remember we were
in the Eastern Conference of Eastern Finals, right, and we're
playing against Lebron in the heat, and you know Paul Pierce,
Ray Allen KG. The mindset was, hey, Lebron's not tough enough.
You know, when it comes down to execution or comes
down to a big moment, our guys are tough. We've
(12:21):
seen it before. Our guys know how to execute. You know,
Paul Pierce can work off the ELBOWKG, He's gonna be
in a pick and pop. Even Rondo would step up
in a big shot, do it's needed. Rey Allen is
certified and proven in those moments. You can't leave him
pick your poison in that space, right And in the
mindset was there like we got him, we got and
when Lebron, well, Lebron showed out and he had that
(12:43):
game I think it was what game six? He had
that legendary game six. And then when the game was over,
I remember I watched Paul go He's like that, he's
the best. He's good enough for a different scenario. But
when you see guys go out and prove it, that's
the greatest respet fact that you can get is from
you know somebody that you work with or somebody that
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is a competitor, you know. So you know, if I
do a show and Dan Byer goes out and you know, hey,
that Brian Hollins is something else.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
That guy really brings it to the table. That's a compliment.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
That's the that's the best one that you can get,
you know, because the friends and family, the fans are
going to be there with the truth tellers.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
But when you're a competitor brings that to the table,
it's just different.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Dan, Yeah, I get it. No, and you do bring it.
I will say that's what he does, or Ryan Hollins
does always bring it, just like Nikola Jokicch does.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
It's it's crazy because it's over.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And over again for Jokisch and so you saying like
he could be on track for greatest of all time.
I don't think that he's going to be. I just
I don't think that's going to be the case. I
think that there's a lot of stuff that has to
go with it. I think that what he has done
though in this short period is nothing short of amazing.
And now he's put himself again back into an MVP conversation,
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probably won't win it. But still we know what the
MVP voting is. My question now comes to this because
I've even been critical of what's going on in Milwaukee,
because the Bucks have tried to do everything around Giannis
to make it work and it hasn't since they won
a title. And I know we're only a couple of
years removed from Denver doing so. And again last night
(14:19):
they weren't playing with Jamal Murray that in and Michael
Porter Junior. You know, but at some point when are
we going to start to look at the Nuggets and
Nuggets and say, Okay, he's got one championship, and is
this team doing enough to surround him in a way.
Where As a Bucks fan, Ryan, it is increasingly frustrating
(14:42):
to see every move not come to fruition or something
go wrong in their pursuit of trying to win another championship.
And Denver again only a couple of years removed from
winning at all. But they're sitting there a number three
in the West right now. I don't see tons of
people picking them to come out out of the West
to win it this year. That's just the other The
(15:03):
next domino that I wonder with Denver is where we're
looking at is when do you start making those moves
for Jokic because now you feel that you've had five
straight seasons of MVP caliber play and you're gonna come
away with a title out of it. I just I
think that that conversation could be on the horizon right now.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
The answer is right now, it's the answers right.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Nobody's and nobody. If this is the Lakers, would obviously
be having this conversation. But nobody's having that conversation about
the Denver Nuggets right now. But we alwayte I don't
want to say wasting because that's not the right term,
but maybe we're not maximizing what he is bringing to
the table for that organization. Again, they only wanted they
wanted two years ago. So I completely understand the uh,
(15:50):
the the timetable that we're in. But again, when you're
looking at the greatness of who he is and what
he's done, like many.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Hey, hey, Dan, I answer that question before you know
the biggest problem. You know the biggest problem. He takes
his role players and he makes him play so well, Okay,
Bruce Brown, and they play so well you can't afford
to keep them. Jeff Green, you can't bring them back,
like they play so well that like you have to
(16:18):
pay the guys that are there, so it's not like, ah,
we can't see moving forward. You're like, man, this guy
fins Porter Junior. He's big, he shoots the basketball, he
stretches the floor, you know, like like you gotta pay
Aaron Gordon's excellent back cutting and play it off like
you gotta pay the guys that are there so they
get strapped for cash.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. I heard something within the
last twenty four to forty eight hours in talking about
Jokicchen saying, you basically want Jokics to score because when
everybody else is getting theirs, it makes them that much
more difficult. So if you're gonna pick a poison and
they lost last night, you know, I know it wasn't
necessarily his fault, but like there would be an example
(16:59):
of it. But people say, that's what makes them so
dangerous is when he is sitting there and he's what
top two, top three and assists in the NBA, When
he can move the basketball like that, it makes them
much better. But maybe you just let Jokic get his
and try to lock everybody else down maybe that's the
secrets of the success of stopping the Nuggets.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Yeah, when you play against great players that can do both,
that's what you do. When when we compete against Luca
or you compete against Lebron and those guys, you say,
you know he can score, he can assist, but he
can't get both, you know, So you make your mind
up and what you're trying to do to disrupt those guys.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Absolutely, And I know you didn't hate it last night.
Is it gave a little separation for your Rockets and
that two seed if it comes to that. By the way,
big win from Minnesota now pulling even with Memphis for
that sixth spot in the West. And we all know
what happens with the sixth spot. You don't have to
no playing tournament for the winner or whoever claims the
(17:59):
six spot. Seventh spot, completely different story.
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tonight on the call for the Rockets television broadcasts, they're
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gonna go off for forty two.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
How about that, Ryan Hollins.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I'll take you.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
That'll be a great, great night that's told Jason, Hey,
great day. As a matter of fact.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
What a great twenty four hours for you hanging out
with us here and then taking in some Western Conference
act tonight in downtown Houston. I do want to address
when we just played our game a little while ago.
It's a running joke here on Fox Sports Radio on
my lack of movie knowledge. I just I don't watch
(19:16):
a lot of movies, popular movies, tons of them I
haven't seen, and so it's a running joke. But we
had the passing of Val Kilmer come along. We're also
short on the break, Ryan Hollins, I don't know your
movie background at all. I can't guess. I don't know
if you love movies. I don't know if you hate movies.
But I do want to bring in Jason Stewart and
Isaac Low and Crown and Sam at least just for
(19:37):
a little bit, because I don't want to disrespect. I
hope it didn't sound disrespectful as we were talking about
the passing of Val Kilmer.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I just don't see a lot of movies.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I actually did see the documentary about his career and
thought it was very well done and moving.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Didn't see it when it immediately.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Came out, but saw it probably within the last year
or two, and it let off the news in Los
Angeles last night following his passing with pneumonia at the
age of sixty five. And I just don't want to
downplay it by any means.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
And I know Jason Stewart had something to say. Ryan.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Again, I don't know your movie background with any of this,
if you want to add to it, but I do
want to give Jason the floor a little bit to
pay respect because of no means that I want our
Game Time thing to come off flippant or in a
way disrespectful because honestly, I haven't seen Real Genius in
thirty five years. I just remember he put the coins
in the vending machine, and I saw Top Gun when
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it aired on CBS, so that was my background of it.
I would rather lend the knowledge to someone who's more
in tune to the movie game, like Jason Stewart.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
Yeah, iowa Sam too. He used in the Val Kilmer's career.
Just to kind of sum it up a little bit.
I think that when I was like looking at his
choice of movies, again, great choices, and then he he
has this massive diversity of characters like this wise spectrum
(21:06):
of you talk about Real Genius and Top Secret I
think was when he first entered movies, but his character
obviously is Iceman and Top Gun. And then Oliver Stone
at the peak of his filmmaking. This can't be understated. Oliverstone,
at the peak of his filmmaking, did a movie about
an iconic band and iconic personality, and he chose Val
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Kilmer to be Jim Morrison in nineteen ninety two. I
think that speaks volumes for how well respected he was
as an actor and that he could pull it off.
And it's really one of It's a top ten movie
for me. I love that movie. So yeah, rip Val Kilmer.
I know he's been struggling, and I know that there
was a lot of attention to the recent adaptation or
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the recent Top Gun movie and how Val did the
scene with Tom Cruise and there were a lot of
no dry eyes in the movie theaters. But yeah, rip,
amazing actor. I second that he was a part of
my childhood. He was probably at his he'd be still
acting now if he cancer had and sidelined him about
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ten eleven years ago.
Speaker 11 (22:15):
I thought he was a tremendous talent. Some of movies
in the nineties, late eighties and a lot of the nineties.
I love that Batman. He was in Batman Forever. A
lot of people like to pooh pooh on that one.
I think it's great, great cast. It's a different approach
to the Batman series. The Ghost in the Darkness with
Michael Douglas is a great one. The Island of Doctor
Moreau I saw as a kid. I don't know if
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it still holds up, but I enjoyed it. And Heat
The Tons of the Saint. A lot of movies. I
love Tombstone.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Tombstone absolutely your big movie guy, Ryan Hollins.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Well, for me my generation, Sam just said Val camer
was Batman. You know, you don't forget a Batman. I
thought he was a good one too, So I'm just
sorry to hear about his passing.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
That was news to me. Appreciate you guys recapping it.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Hopefully when day I'll pass and some guys will be
doing radio and remember me.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
They listen like, like, death is not easy to do
on the radio, and and the last thing that we
would ever want to do is be disrespectful. So that's
just why. And I'm not saying that that I was
or that we were, because I don't think that we were.
But I just want to make sure that we pay
true homage in a situation and not just move on
like it's the next hot topic of the day.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
We were able to do that. Now it's not for
the Midway.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
He's not getting it's time for.
Speaker 9 (23:35):
The Midway.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I'm gonna let Jason Stewart give you the background on
the Midway, Ryan Hollins, because this is going to be
right up your ally.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Jason, take it away.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
I want to, Uh, we have five people here today
on air that have a so much experience, both in
sports broadcasting and just as sports fans. Ryan is the
one among us who has actually played in the Final four.
But I I just want to think as we go
into this weekend, like when you think about final fours,
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whether you were there as a spectator watching on TV.
Maybe something was happening while you were watching that on TV,
like my example. But I just want what's the one
thing that sticks out? I want one from each of
you when you think final four? What comes to mind
right away? Isaac Lomancron, have you been sitting on this
for a while?
Speaker 12 (24:24):
What all right? I gotta be honest, It's more than
one thing, but I'll make it worth your while. I
actually covered the final four that Holland's played in in
two thousand and six. He had a double double in
the National Championship Game A lost to Florida. He probably
doesn't remember this, but I actually interviewed him in the
locker room after the game. He had a towel covering
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his head. They were in the Indianapolis Colts locker room
at the old RCA slash Hoo's your Dome. But the
two things that I remember, in addition to Holland's double
double number one. That Final four was the first time
I'd ever been to Steak and Shake, and I got addicted.
Speaker 9 (25:01):
I loved it so much.
Speaker 12 (25:02):
I literally ate three meals a day at Steak and
Shake for the five days we were there. And also,
and you guys can chime in on this if you want,
it was one of the last times that they played
the Final four in a dome that was divided in half,
and I felt that ever since they changed it and
had the Final four in domes where they play. They
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opened up the whole stadium and they put it in
the center of the field, and all the seats around
the court were lower than the court. I just that
just doesn't work for me. I liked it when it
was in domes cut in half. For some reason, I
just don't. I've never liked the way it's been since then.
So those are my impressions of the Final four experience.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I see all.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's only right that we then piggyback to the guy
that did play in that Final four and did play
in that National Championship game.
Speaker 12 (25:54):
Shut down Glenn Davis in the semi final.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I would maybe that was going to be his memory now.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Isaac her Iowa saying you've done like three things right
now on two thousand and six when the only ask
one you.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Glad you know there's a name for us. Yeah, no,
it's not really think Holland. No, it's definitely a thing. Now,
you guys just made that up.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
You feel like playing a good job. Drop of me
eighteen times a show. We can call this.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
That's an honor Iowa, Sam.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Thing and Ryan Hollins. What do you remember of the
two thousand and six final four or that may not
even be your final four memory? What do you got
on the midway?
Speaker 5 (26:28):
I remember sitting there in the final four as my
career ended, and I had a towel over my face
because I really didn't want to talk, and there's there's
this guy named I Low that just kept shoving his
recorder into my face, and I couldn't believe it. I'm like,
who's this guy that just keeps wanting to put his
recorder in my face as my college career ended? Knowing
in all seriousness, it's funny Ilo brought up the Dome
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and how big it was for those who don't know.
For the players, is such a weird environment because you've
got a UCLA section on the left, like Kareem shit,
I never seen it was my first I played four
years that you said, that was my first time seeing Kareem.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
He showed up.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
You know, the Brewing Faithful where there are all these
people come out of the woodwork because it happens fast.
They don't know if you're gonna advance or not, so
they're booking tickets and flights and taking off work. And
then you got this Florida section on the other side,
or when we played LSU and LSU section, and then
there's a bunch.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Of coaches that are so irritating.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
You don't know why they're irritating because they don't even
watch the game. And in the midst of you playing
for your your your life, okay, there's just a bunch
of chatter and talking and the floor is raised up
and you're just kind of playing. And it's a weird
environment because you hear people talking and you can hear
the fans to the left and kind of to the right.
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It was a unique experience because it's nothing like you
ever have been a part of. And then I remember
taking a jumper at the top of the key and
like there's no death perception, so for people who know
when you play, that's why you can shoot the lights
out and the twenty four fitness. Because the wall is
so close to the basket, you can see better, but
when you're there, you're kind of guessing where the basket is,
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if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
So I'll never forget it.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
We did get a win, and it really irritates me
because out of the three, we just get labeled. Okay,
am I being petty when I say this guy's I
want you guys to chime me tell me if I'm wrong.
We made we gotta win. We beat LSU and played
in the championship game. The two other UCLA teams got
there and got boat race. Now it's an accomplishment to
get there. The team who wins in the Final four
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but loses to the championship gets no credit for winning
a game.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, because the goal is to get
to the final four, right. Everybody was going crazy to
get to the final four, but there is no prize
for winning that game on Saturday. You are one hundred
percent correct, right, and you're right. There is more buzz
Saturday because you have the four schools and there just
there is a buzz that they're all all alive. Half
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the people leave after Saturday because their team is out
of it. You're completely correct on that, all right, Ryan
Real Fast. Was Tyris Thomas on that LSU team?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
He was they were stacked, man.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
They even had they had pros on the bench. So
did LSU. I mean, so did Florida. Florida had most
spates on the bench. They had pros that weren't even playing.
Richard's was on the bench for Florida. And like they're
like Garrett Temple played for LSU. Like they were. They
were stacked, man. There are guys that ended up playing
long into the NBA.
Speaker 10 (29:28):
So Tyrs Thomas is a I want to say, a
graduate assistant or an assistant coach on Doug Gottlieb's staff
at Green Bay. And I had the pleasure of meeting Tyros,
but we had an unusual first meeting. We went to
a dinner. We went to a dinner of the night
before Doug's first game, and Tyros walks up to me
and says Tyrus Thomas. And I said, I am a
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huge Syracuse fan, and he looked at me without even
pausing and said, I've never been to Syracuse. I had
him hues with Eton Thomas.
Speaker 13 (30:02):
Oh yeah, Jason, Wow, he's like one of the more
storied LSU athletes time, never so embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Jason pulls me aside and goes, did you go to Syracuse?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Good? No, he went to LSU and and so.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Didn't go over Well, I could tell you that didn't
go over.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Well, Iowa Sam Final four memories.
Speaker 11 (30:29):
Well, I think that this moment is even more relevant
this year, in the past few weeks of the tournament
than ever.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Caitlyn Clark highlight.
Speaker 11 (30:37):
No, no, I thought we were taking the men here,
could have gone to Kate and Clark easily.
Speaker 14 (30:41):
No.
Speaker 11 (30:41):
Gordon Hayward almost winning it for Butler in twenty ten,
fifteen years ago, you almost had the instance of the
incident of a of a mid major winning it all.
And now we're having talks about that may never that
never might happen again. You know, it's gone the other direction.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
And in the Row six Final four, actually, maybe most
famously before Florida went back to back was that was
George Mason making their run to Indianapolis in that season,
upsetting topsid Yukon in the Elite eight to get there.
Speaker 11 (31:18):
So, of course if Gordon Hayward shot had dropped through,
they would have won by a point, Butler would have
been your national champions and maybe the landscape of college
basketball would have been a little different. Probably not, but
at least we would have been able to say that
one mid major did.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Go win it all.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I completely agree with Isaac's point about the domes in
the stadiums. In two thousand and nine was the first
year that was at Ford Field in Detroit where they
did put it in the center. Two thousand and eight
in San Antonio, Mario Chalmers with the three at the
end of regulation against Memphis to force the overtime and
then have Kansas winning. It would be the last time
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they did it in the Split Dome, and I had
mid court media seats three rows back from the scores
from that Memphis Kansas game. It was that was in
the window that I covered final fours. I've been fortunate
enough to go to five of them, and that was
smack dab in the window.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
So I'll never forget.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I'll never forget two thousand and eight and the shot
because Memphis just had so many opportunities to try to
seal the deal and they couldn't do it, and gave
Kansas life and Chalmers hit the three and then ran
away with it in overtime. Do you guys have first
Final four memories? The first Final Four memory that I realized,
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by the way, it was nineteen eighty five Villanova Georgetown.
That was my first. I don't remember what happened in
eighty four eighty three. I don't remember NC State obviously
knowing what happens now, but I don't remember those happening.
Speaker 12 (32:44):
My first memory was the year after that. Purvis Ellison
of Louisville led the way. And I can't emphasize how
big back in that era, and Dan can probably back
me up on this. Making the cover of Sports Illustrated
was such a huge deal back then and to this day.
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I remember Purvis Ellison making the cover of Sports Illustrated
after I even remember the posey was in after winning
the national championship for Louisville.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah, that's what Duke would lose. That's what Duke would
lose in the Final four.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I don't think that Tyris Thomas was your final form memory, Jason,
so I apologize if.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I wow passed it, but did you have a final
form memory?
Speaker 10 (33:26):
I wanted to show this because I know the listeners
could relate to this. I was in the middle of
college in nineteen ninety three. That's how old I am.
By the way, I know that dates mean middle of college.
And we went to Vegas and watched the Final four
at Caesar's Palace. So I have money that I have
no business gambling. I have like zero money in my
bank account starting college student, and I put a lot
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of money on Michigan plus two and a half. That's
Key plus two and a half Michigan. Chris Weber calls
time out as Michigan is down too with thirteen seconds left.
North Carolina gets a couple free throws and wins by six.
So not only did Michigan lose its chance to win
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the national championship, but I lost money I didn't have
on Michigan.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Thank you, Chris Weber, bed sense. I love that final four.
I love the year prior to and Duke ran away
with it in the second half because I just I
was not a Fab five fan.
Speaker 10 (34:26):
And I've bet a lot of money since.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
By the way, Jason's Beenana, you know it's been gosh
twenty nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
I was in the third grade. That's a little perspective I.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Was.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I was in high school at that time.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Was that's that memory is gosh, you think of all
the great final fours that you had in the ninety
Arizona going on their run in nineteen ninety seven with
Miles Simon as the four seed, good friend, three number
one seeds in the final four, and then the four
seed Arizona they end up winning it. We've talked a
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bunch here about Scotti Thurman's three. I wasn't at the buzzer,
but I kind of sealed the deal for Arkansas in
nineteen ninety four. But my goodness, the timeout it has
to be has to be top five final four moment,
maybe top three that we've seen you would say, right,
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I mean, you would have Keith Smart shot for Indiana
against Syracuse. You obviously have NC State, Michael Jordan Jordan
in eighty two, NC State in eighty three, Jim Valvana
running him around the court everywhere Chris Jenkins Doug likes
to bring up in twenty sixteen. But the timeout, I mean,
that's still the test of time. Crazy All right, good
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midway talking about the final four, did you you look
back at those times? Finally, finally at Ryan Hollins Or
is it still like, hey, we didn't get anything for
being a runner up, or man, we were one win away,
because I mean it was quite a run and then
you kind of set the foundation for other UCLA teams
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to continue to go. Do you look back almost twenty
years later and can smile on it or is it
still sticking your craw a little bit.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
I don't think I've ever gotten kind of the respect
or felt that for doing that, because at UCLA they
don't count runner ups, like and then like we just
get grouped in like oh, three straight final fours, but
it's like, no, we actually won a game there, and
then you know, it's tough.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Like I was a senior, so I was just.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
In full gear to the NBA draft and just I
could not blink. If I blinked, i'd have missed out,
and I never would have, you know, had an opportunity
in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
But no, I don't think I've ever really like appreciate,
like appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Like the most is like I'll be in LA walking
around somewhere and someone to be like, hey, I remember
your run at UCLA. I remember you at UCLA because
I think, I guess what you don't realize too is
kind of I guess the cool thing at the time
is that I was, you know, the face of the team,
or at least at that time. I think Farmer and
the following those guys were big, But I had a
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heck of a tournament. I was very consistent. I was
the most outstanding player of the region, so my face
was put with the just the national media. You had NBA, NFL,
then you just had Ryan Hollins in the middle of
a lot of things, and especially kind of UCLA coming
back for the first time. So I don't think I've
gotten credit for that because we hadn't won it, but
there are little tidbits here.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, and I will say this, your school, your alma mater,
doesn't help because it's only about championships because of.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
What they did in the past.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
But I do think that it did set a foundation
for the Jordan Farmers and others over those next two years.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
So kudos to you. Want to run to the National
Championship Game Florida.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Hey, that mean it's a lot coming from you.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
N Yeah, No, it really was. It was my first
final four that I covered and and I'll never relate it. Yeah, absolutely,
So you remember me, I do, I do, Ryan Allins,
and then I always tell the story of the time
I got second rold tickets to the MAVs game. Remember
that story right behind the MAVs bench because we wanted
to sit by Marquito.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
And Hollins couldn't see over Ryan Hollins. Yes, our seats
were too good behind the bench.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Did you ask for us to sit down.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Down in front? I would I would never do that.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Because that would become personal. The fans would be like
can they sit down and be like no.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I also understood that you're seven feet so it was
just kind of I understood what I got.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
But that's what you have to deal.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
With, all right. How old were you back then when
in six? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
For the Final four?
Speaker 4 (38:43):
No, no, no, for the Dallas one.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Oh, the Dallas one. That was probably about like twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
So, by the way, did you see the April Fools?
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Did they showed the recap of like what the Greatest
April Fools where Cuban fought the referee?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yes, yes, good time. Yeah, and Rick Carlisle thought it
was the real deal.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
No, no, no, that was That was no, that was
Dale Del Harris.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Oh, Del Harris, That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Okay, Yeah, Harris was like, what's he doing?
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I'm bad?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
All right, let's give the Midway band a break, you guys,
get Hill the Midway.
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if you did miss it, Ryan Holland says that, yeah,
Nicola Jokic could be on track, could be on track
to maybe being the goat. A lot of time left.
You gotta win more titles, and I still think Ryan
having a center as the goat in today's day and
age will be a tough sell. But you can't argue
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the success over the last five years. It's just how
much can Jogic then continue on in his career.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Absolutely, he would need a significant amount amount more rings.
You're not wrong. In Denver. You'd have to attract free
agents there to play with him. You know, it is
hard in Denver because maybe you could sell the city
and not that Denver is a bad city, but it's
not La it's not New York, it's not Miami. It's
a little easier to sell there. And they're so good.
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They also tie up is it's hard for them to
get draft picks. You know, they can get solid players,
good players, but you may not get that at second superstar.
So you got to be really creative through free agency.
You got to be really great in the draft on
getting a potential prospect.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
You got to take a risk. Michael. I don't know
if you know the day Michael Porter Junior was a risk.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
He can in with back problems, which if you got
back in hip problems as an NBA player, that is
almost that's like the kiss of death.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
That's something that you may not ever.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Want sure, right, Yeah, what did he play like three
games at Missouri or something like that.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
But Michael Porter Junior was the best player in the
country in high school. He was a phenom. I mean,
he could jump out the gym, he could shoot. There's
nothing that he couldn't do. So you know, they took
a risk and you'd have to go in and you
have to kind of draft those players that might be
injured or little harder brown the edges and take a
chance on him and to bring talent in.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
He is Ryan Hollins.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I'm Dan byer in for Doug Gottlieb Liverothetirech dot Com Studios,
and Draymond Green is at it again in a series,
in a season, I should say, in the NBA, where
one of our biggest storylines is the NBA's biggest star
fighting with a media member. Draymond Green, a star in
his own right, has his own podcast, The Draymond Green
(41:59):
Show with Baron Davis. And at this exchange recently, Ryan
Hollins about rispect with the older generation.
Speaker 8 (42:08):
People say you must respect each era, but the past
eras don't respect this air.
Speaker 14 (42:12):
I don't think that's true in me.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
You don't see some of the things these guys say.
Speaker 14 (42:16):
The respect from the old is really do the young
dudes with us? Do they know who we are? That's
why you get a lot of hate from the older generation,
because they just want to be kept alive. One era
always think that the other area is sorry until you
leave the game and have an appreciation for the talent
that you have to play against.
Speaker 8 (42:37):
I disagree in the fact that no like these eras
don't respect us like I've seen several guys talk over
and over and over again, not in the positive life.
I don't think that respect is passed down to us
from the other generations. But I think people are quick
to say, oh, you got to respect them because they
came before I don't agree with that.
Speaker 14 (42:57):
You absolutely have to absolutely respect the people who came
before you, because.
Speaker 8 (43:03):
My respect is earned, and what you did to somebody
else don't necessarily earn you respect. Just because you played
before me does not mean you deserve respect. I'm sorry,
but God had in his plan for you to be
born before me, and you just deserve respect because of that.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Nah my mom may raised me that way.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
There's a lot to unpack there.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Ryan Hollins, Okay, yeah, he has I'll say this first
things First, when Draymond Green is talking about the older generation,
he's talking about two people. He's talking about Charles Barkley
and he's talking about Shaquille O'Neil.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
That is it.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Those are the two people that Draymond Green is talking about.
So when we have this conversation of the older generation,
Draymond I think feels that Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neil
speak for the entire generation.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
You forgot the big O.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Who's that?
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Oscar Robinson had some words for for Draymond too.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
I think in general though, I think whenever like this
and I didn't, I didn't get the work.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
You can fill me in.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
You pretty much said all Draymond's ever done is set
screens for Steph Curry and he should be happy.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Okay, I don't want to. I don't want to hear
him speak.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I'm kind of like paraphrasing, Yeah, okay, I that would
I would. I would feel offended if I was Draymond
Green in that case. But when you look at what
Oscar Robertson did in his career, I don't know how
you couldn't look at those numbers and say I have
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respect for what he did during his generation. This two
way street that Draymond feels that it is is it's
fine in the in the in the real world, if
someone wants to knock on my door and walk in
my house and be disrespect I didn't know who they were. Yeah,
they obviously don't have my respect. They can leave, they
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can get out of there. I don't need them around.
But when you're in a profession and when you're setting
the building blocks to have the game be where it
is today, for Draymond Green to do what he is
able to do, I just think that there has to
be the business that we are in right now. We
are in hallways where some of the radio greats have worked.
(45:27):
Casey Kasem's studio plaque still has not been taken down
in our studios because there's respect there. And I just
feel that Draymond Green is in this bizarre world. And
I'm so glad that Baron Davis spoke up and said
what he said. But I just think that Draymond Green
is focused on two and now maybe three players because
he says that they said it often, and who talks
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more than Chuck and Shack because of inside the NBA.
But That's who I feel that he's talking about. And
I just feel that his angle on respect is just
one that is completely misguided, would make the old generation
not respect.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
The new generation.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
Like Draymond Green is Dan in this I can honestly
take it both ways. And the reason I take it
both ways you have to weigh in all the factors.
So what's pretty cool about working in Houston with the
Rockets is I get a chance to work with a
great Calvin Murphy.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
And Calvin Murphy he's got some.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
Of the most amazing stories you can get. And you
got to understand that today's player, even my generation of playing,
may have not been able to play back then, not
from a talent standpoint, But can you fly commercial? Can
you not have your masseuse? Can you get out there
with some Chuck Taylor's Calvin Murphy is and Dan. I
(46:46):
want you to look this up. Don't do it if
you drive it, if you're listening to your driving, don't
look this up. But go look up a hockey helmet.
Calvin Murphy gets gets knocked upside the head pretty much
just unconscious. There's no conclude protocol, dude, And they say,
Calvin Murphy go out there, he's wearing a hockey helmet. Dude,
He's wearing a literal hockey helmet on in an NBA game.
Speaker 4 (47:12):
And that's the that's the joke. That's the joke.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
And and and that's how they dealt with concussions at
that time. So when they say could this guy play
in this era, it's not about the game. Jannis onto
the Coupo and Bill Russell and mianis O the Coopa
would run laps around what Bill Russell did. But at
that time, if you'd have seen Giannis out to the
Coupo and said go stand underneath the basket.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
Now today's NBA, they're like, hey, you can dribble a
little bit, push the ball full court, you know, expand
your games.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
So the different eras and different play styles come in
a factor. But from a commercial setting of dealing with
there's just so many elements of can't these guys. Can't
these guys make it out of season one?
Speaker 2 (47:52):
You're so spot on about that, and I don't want
to call them spoiled. But things are better now than
they were, way better compared to I mean, there's there's
no doubt about it. I wonder about this generation. Ryan Hollinson,
I consider you in a different generation.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Than I am.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I'm about ten years older than you. Give or take
look a little thank you. I appreciate that. It's very,
very kind of you. I just I look at like
generations like decades in that way. Maybe not twenty five
years when we're talking NBA, we're talking maybe every time.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
I'm two thousand nineties.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yes, yeah, yep, that's exactly right. I would say this
when it comes to looking at the way that the
current NBA player is, And I don't know if it's
I feel it's this way. I don't have any sixteen
seventeen eighteen year old kids. My son's only three, but
I remember my generation loving the NBA, knowing stats, knowing players,
(48:48):
knowing teams, knowing the whole deal.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
And I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
If today's and I'm not I wasn't a high level
basketball player by any means, but I don't know if
the of if young players nowadays love the NBA. They
may love playing two K or video games or whatever
the way it was, but I feel like we embraced
the NBA, the teams, and its players when I was
(49:13):
growing up, and I don't know if recent generations do
that anymore. And I think that's also a part of it,
where maybe they're just indifferent to what the past is.
But I feel like people my age, because we loved
what we came up with, which also means we loved
what was in the past. It's a different feeling. I
think that has something to do with all of this.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Poe product of your environment.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
These guys know their value and not only do they
play the game, they know the money that they can make.
They also know if I go out in an organization
and this has happened, go ask Isaiah Thomas. Okay, not
Zeke as Isaiah Thomas. My Isaiah Thomas and went to
Washington played for the Celtics and was asked to go
out in a game and play through an injury, and
(50:03):
then he ends up having hip surgery and essentially derailed
his career. He had an all star career, but he
wants to put it all on the floor for his team.
Blake Griffin goes out and Detroit plays in the playoffs.
His knee's falling off, and Blake Griffin hadn't been doing
the same shoot he's calling games. He's in our field now, Dan,
So there are a number of guys that whose careers
(50:23):
were derailed and understand their value. And you can look
back and say or you can get on Kawhi Leonard.
Kawhi Leonard, if he listens to some of those doctors
won't even be playing in the NBA anymore.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
You know.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
I know it's frustrating when we see some of these
guys take time off but their bodies could not handle it,
and it's really unfortunate and a game just passes you by.
But my point, Dan, you can call it soft, maybe
it's smart. Maybe it's knowing your value, Maybe it's knowing
to live to fight again another day. And I do
think there's some elements where it's soft. Just get out
and play, go work year, you work up through some
(50:55):
discomfort or do you have a major injury looming? And
I think that's the challenge with some of these guys.
And again, product of your environment, are you someone that
just loves the game?
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Look, Dan, the circuits be told. When I speak to kids.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
In their groups, I go out and the one thing
that I tell them is, guys, I don't care what
your path is. Find something that you love. And the
reason I say it, Dan, and you can tell me
if I'm wrong here. I feel like I've never worked
a day in my life. They paid me to play basketball.
I'd have done it for free, Bro, I'd have been
at the YMCA playing. And this is more to your
generation speaking and I speak about it. I would talk
(51:30):
about the game and things that I love for free,
so you enjoy it. And that's something Dan, you're apparently
a lot older. I thought we were the same age.
It looked great, but you know, we still have some
of those similar values where trying to play, go, trying
to practice go.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
These new guys are like, my knee's a little sore.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Sure I listen. It's just Draymond. And by the way,
I don't think that in Draymond and looking up the
comments that you mentioned did address the big old things
saying like I'm not going to come on here and
I'll go, you know, tit for tat with Oscar Robertson
and disrespect one of the greats. But I think it's
fair to say that it would probably be put in
(52:09):
line with the other other comments there that are out there.
But why are we sitting here fighting with each other?
I remember remember that great show Open Court that knowes
on NBA TV, and it had all the great sitting around.
I remember like Chris Weber and other guys like just
waxing poetically about Bob McAdoo being like he was the
first stretch for that you.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Saw in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
And I feel that there's this generation of players now
that feel they're the first of everything. And maybe that
may be me being get off my lawn guy, but
I feel that there were previous generations that appreciated the history,
more appreciated where their positions came from. And nowadays it's
I'm it, I'm the thing, I'm what it is, and
(52:54):
that's enough for them.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
And I think that's a shame.
Speaker 4 (52:56):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (52:58):
It's like the history books, it's hard to see if
you were not like the greatest ever or you know,
highlights that can live forever. You don't really know somebody's game,
you know, like like a David Thompson who could jump
out the gym, who was unbelievab Like a lot of
guys don't know what David Thompson was. Hey, a lot
of guys, hey, doctor J. These young guys don't know
(53:18):
doctor J.
Speaker 4 (53:19):
Hey.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
The current NBA players will tell you, I don't really
know how good Michael Jordan was.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
No legit they have. They do not know how good
Michael Jordan was.
Speaker 5 (53:30):
So they're like, oh man Lebron all day, we haven't
seen anything like him. No, Michael Jordan was unbelievable. Without Michael,
there's no Kobe, there's no Lebron.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Sure I I And there's there's a lot to unpack.
We could keep going on, and I think your point
is fair. I just don't think that they even know
a lot of players, like you know how many people
on Wallace bottom line?
Speaker 4 (53:49):
No, No, you know lave Its. It's respect Dan, it's respecting.
Speaker 5 (53:52):
No one wants to feel slighted, and that's what happens
a lot of times. Recency biased, out of sight, out
of mind,
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