April 8, 2025 • 26 mins
Doug welcomes reporter Brandon Krisztal from Denver to give the latest details on the Nuggets' firing of head coach Mike Malone and GM Calvin Booth. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take on Florida winning the national title. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, James Carville makes a return to "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Fox Sports Radio, iHeart
Radio app. Hey, welcome in. Oh, how are you? What's
going on? How's your day? This is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
It's Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. Welcome in. Hey, let's
(00:33):
welcome in my good friend Brandon Christall who covers all
things in terms of Denver sports. So we're getting ready
to do the show, and I'm thinking about talking about
college basketball and Florida's win, Houston's loss, you know, the
the juxtaposition of Houston's comeback two nights previous, and then
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all of a sudden news pops up that both Mike
Malone and Calvin Booth were both fired, and yet here
we are two weeks short of the playoffs. Brandon, what happened?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I think the message from Michael Malone got stale, and
the four straight losses maybe just amplified that. And Nicole
Yokis saying we're not a very good team right now,
and Malone saying the other day after one of the
losses that he can't even get the team to watch
film properly something along those lines. I'm paraphrasing, but that
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there's a real disconnect. And Malone was Jamal Murray's biggest supporter,
and I heard throughout the year, especially they had a
tough loss to Minnesota on a five game road trip
that Jamal Murray gets different treatment when he doesn't play
well than brought some of his teammates to And so look,
Michael Moon was the winning his coach in the history
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of the Nuggets in terms of wins. He's obviously won
their only championship, and he and Joker were there to
get it for a decade. But there's no way that
Josh Cronkey and that stand didn't come to this after
I'm sure several weeks of debate, it's not even longer.
And I'm sure that Joker was at least made aware
of it, if not even you know, talked to before
they pulled the trigger, because when you got the best
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player in the world, you can't just go ahead and
fire us head out, at least giving him a heads up.
I'm not sure how many more people knew other than
Joker that this was going to happen, and how soon,
you know, or how soon before it happened did they
tell Nicole that they were going to do it? And
then the Calvin Booth things just you know, Tim Conley
really helped build the roster and a couple extra pieces,
but then they didn't keep KCP. They couldn't keep Jeff
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Green or Bruce Brown really and the pieces that he
brought in. Maybe you just didn't think fit as well,
the Dario Sarich move being one of them. And so
I think that it's just time for a full reset
and new voices in there.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Uh okay, but why now, like the playoffs start in
two weeks, like you basically said, this year's over, we
got no shot, right.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah, well yeah, I guess the thought is that, and
we see it happened in the NFL, where you'll get
a bounce back, you know, from an interim coach. Typically
it's usually one game. The NBA is a little different,
and most times when coaches get fired, it's not like
Taylor Jenkins a few weeks ago or Michael Malone were
the playoff teams and they're firing their coach weeks before
the playoffs. I mean we're inside of two weeks the
playoffs start, then the Nuggets could be a playing team
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if they don't pick it up in these final three games.
They're at Sacramento to night, home to Memphis at Houston Sunday,
and they could end up in the play in. But
it's not next Saturday, the nineteenth, or Sunday to twentieth.
The playoffs are going to start, and so it does
feel odd unless you just thought that you were not
getting any kind of response from Michael Malone, you were
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going to make this move anyway, and maybe a new
voice in this case is going to be David Adelman,
son of longtime NBA coach Rick Adelman, has been on
the Nugget staff for a bunch of years and coached
him in Summer league a couple of years back, and
has filled in when Malone's had to miss a game
here or there, including earlier this year when he watched
his daughter in the state volleyball finals in her senior year.
He coached two games there, or at least one game
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there on that Friday in New Orleans when they lost.
So you're gonna get a new voice, even if it's
just for three games in the play in or three
games in a first Round series, or maybe David Adelman
makes a deep run. If he doesn't, I think he'll
get an interview. But I think there's gonna be some
other stronger names to consider, and I'll throw one at you.
At the very top of the list for folks around
here is Denver native Chauncey Billups, who's in the final
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year of his deal. There's a team option, but I
talked to somebody close to the situation and they think
Chauncey could get out of it if you really wanted to.
So there's a name there. And on the GM side,
Bob Meyer is an OC guy. Why wouldn't you want
to come in and take a shot at building a
team around the best player in the world. You know
Bob better than I do, Doug. But those are two
names that at least would make sense to talk to.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
If I'm Josh Cronky, Yeah, I mean they would. I
don't know in terms of them working together how that
would work. But it's not that you fire Mike Malowe
or that the or you fire at Calvin Booth. It's
the timing of it. It's just so bizarre.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Doug, Can I throw one more thing at you real quick?
That happened to a couple of weeks ago, and it's
never happened. So the ESPN game on a Friday night,
they played the Lakers without Luca and without Lebron and
Austin Reeves went nuts in the first half with twenty
two points and ten boards, and Stan Kronki, who certainly
does not run the day to day Josh does, and
when the cross ownership rules and even since they've relaxed
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those rules in the NFL, stands around, but he's not
around as much as Josh's around. Josh runs both the
Nuggets and the Avalanche. Stan essentially runs the rams, if
you will. And so Fan sat at the end of
the bench mark Cuban style on that Friday night for
the entire game, something that every single person that I
talked to can't remember seeing Stan and Joshua around three
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games every now and then. You'll see him on the
court even and you'll certainly see him in the hallways
and all of that. But Stan has a very nice
suite at the very top of the stadium where he
almost always watches the game game from if he's in town.
And so my only thought is that and that probably
in the very beginning of this, at least for Michael Malone.
But you know how it's in a game, if you're
a player, you kind of forget what's going on at
the end of the bench anyway. But there's a chance
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that he's watching those huddles up close and they ended
up squeaking out a three point win against you know,
no stars on the Lakers that day. With apologies to
Austin Reeves and Jackson Hayes, but maybe Stan really thought,
like Malm's not getting through to these guys anymore. And
I don't know if that was the catalyst to this,
and I don't know if they would admit that, but it
was peculiar timing now that you look back at it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Just a couple weeks later Stug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Brandy Christal is our guest. Okay, so
what about Russell Westbrook? How does he fit into this right?
Because he's had some he's had some rough moments, he's
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had some good moments, but it does seem to be
wherever he goes now, drama does follow him.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, and it's kind of popped up of late because
I think the games mean more and because Jamal Murray's
been banged up, or other players have been banged up,
Russ has had. They've had no choice on most but
to play Russ in the closing minutes. But you look
at the loss of the Spurs a week ago Friday,
or it was four days ago, whenever it was. These
days all blend together, but no starters in the game,
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the whole the whole game. They sat Joker, they said,
you know, Jamal's banged up, Aaron Gordon, they all sat
Michael Porter, and so Russ at the very end of
the game gets a big steal, goes in and missus
a layup that he didn't need to take. They were
up one. And then on the other end to Min's
a foul on a three point shot that ends up
costing in the game. And we've seen it a couple
of times where Russ give it and take it away,
where he makes some great plays, comes up with a
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rebound you would never expect a six four thirty six
year old guard to make in a clutch moment, and
he'll make a big play, and you can tell that
he does understand the game, perhaps at a higher level
than a lot of his young teammates. But there's just
these like knucklehead moments that have plagued them every where
he's gone. And the energy thing I think is nullified
in the playoffs a little bit too, because everyone plays
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hard in the playoffs. So playing hard in the middle
of December and January is Russ's superpower, But in April
and May, it doesn't matter because everyone's coming out locked
in from the jump, at least the good teams typically,
and so I think they're going to obviously have to play.
Joker is the one that wanted them to really run
the second unit and take some of the pressure off them,
and we understand why, and they actually played pretty well
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together when they're on the floor. Russ is maybe the
worst three point shooter in the history of the NBA
in terms of a guy who's taken as many threes
as he's taken, and I think he's a thirty percent
three point shooter. We know he's not a great free
throw shooter. So it's going to be fascinating to see
how David Adelman uses him now, because you know, David
probably has carte blanche from Josh to some degree to
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do what he wants in game. I guess as long
as it's cool with jokers, you know, and so how
they how they end up playing him is going to
be fascinating. And if they bring him back, because Russell
Westbrook's made three hundred and sixty five million dollars in
his career, but only two million this year from the Nuggets.
He wanted to come play with Joe Cer. He wanted
to come to Denver. Less pressure. But when you put
him in at the end of games and he blows
it for you hard, it's hard not to blame him.
(09:09):
And then it goes back to field and I'm sure
how he did it both stops in LA as well
as you know, Houston and OKC before that, and so
he's having flashbacks.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
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If it happens in Denver, he knows about it. He
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Speaker 3 (09:27):
Be thanks so much joining us, Bud, Thanks Dog talk
to you soon.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
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Speaker 2 (09:41):
Let's Get the Fox says and now every day at
this time of the Doug Gatlib Show in the Bonus
Podcast to play for your portion of a previous show
on Fox Sports Trader or Fox Sports One. Here's Dan
Patrick talking about the Florida Gators.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
After watching Florida win the national championship. It's more than
just about money. Duke Duke dominated the ACC and if
you're not tested during the regular season, you get to
steamroll your way to the final four. You rarely play
from behind, you rarely feel that pressure. And then the
moment demands that, and they flinched fourteen point lead, vanished
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in the final four and with it their chance for
a national championship. And then you look at Florida. The
Gators weren't perfect, but they were prepared for this moment.
They've fallen behind in four of their tournament games and
came back to win, including last night. But you know,
think about this. They were down ten to Texas Tech,
comeback down laid to Auburn, another comeback two point win
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over the defending national champion Yukon Huskies. Last night, They're
down by twelve at one point. No panic whatsoever that's experienced.
That's what happens when your battle tested Florida was Duke wasn't,
and it made all the difference in the world.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, listen, I think there's some of that. You know,
you have to go through it. You got to feel
those close games and see how they can react. But
I also think, like, let's let's not let let's not
let John Shire off the hook. Their inbounds plays against
the press were fucking atrocious. They just were, you know,
and then they called time out and they ran like
a box set. That's something you run underneath your own
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basket and not when you're going length on the floor.
It didn't make any sense. So and John was honest
about it. John's like, hey, we got to do more,
put them in better position to succeed. He right, like
they didn't. He didn't help him ount So do I
think some of it was the acc Sure, But Dud's
played in big games. You know, they played big games.
You had to if you're gonna beat Houston, you got
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to complete the task. You got to box out, you
gotta value the ball, and then when they press, you
kind of got to be a man about it. I
also just think they went to their guys got tight
and they relied on Cooper to kind of take over,
and he settled for three midnies and missed all of them.
And some of that was also John and that you know,
he called basically an ISO where so many of their
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actions they had been running previously had worked beautifully. You know,
do I think that playing in the weaker acc prepared them? No?
But let's not act like the Big twelve. Every team
in the Big Twelve is awesome, just not you know,
there's not now Houston. It did play very tough schedule
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in the Big Twelve, remember, because not everybody plays the
same schedule. But like you know, look at Duke's record. Okay,
they did play Kentucky, they played at Arizona, they played
at Kansas, they played Auburn, right, they played at Louisville.
Those are all good teams. Now it had been a
minute since they played somebody that caliber been a long minute.
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And then once you get to the NCAA tournament, you know,
they just dominated Arizona, Alabama, Baylor, et cetera. But I don't.
I don't go with thee. Well, they played in a
weaker league, so they weren't ready for close games. They
playing close games this year, you know, not a good
enough press, break settle for settle for bad shots and
didn't box out and got beat by a tenacious older
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team that was super physical. Here's Brady Quinn talking about
Gino Smith and Pete Carroll reunite in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
It's interesting getting to like the mental side of things
with Pete Carroll and Gino Smith in that relationship because
both of them kind of came off bad breakups. Like
things didn't work out for Gino in New York with
the Jets after drafting him, and large part due to
the dysfunction that that organization was. I mean I was
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there with Gino. He could spin it.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Now.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Were there some things that he needed to grow up
and mature, you know in the league when I was there.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
With him his rookie year.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Of course, that's every rookie quarterback. Though every rookie quarterback
goes through that, and he has and I think he
had the opportunity to sit, watch, learn and he really
sees that next opportunity and for Pete. Look, Gino was
that quarterback after Russell Wilson, who kind of provided him,
you know, some element of stability, some element of good
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quarterback play and all be honest. Whenever I watched their tape,
I always feel like Geno Smith is overcoming a lot
more than people want to give him credit. And even
last year, you know, had another new offensive coordinator, completely
different system, how he handled the line of scrimmage, how
he handled everything, just that it's put on the quarterback's
plate being the field general out there. I think it
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flies under the radar because people don't understand how hard
that is in one year's time to switch to a
new system and do all the things that he was
asked to do. But he's from Pete Carroll's perspective. He
understands exactly what he's getting his quarterback. So I kind
of loved it for both of them because I think
they both found each other at the right time. If
you will.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, I think it's a great way. I mean, previous
relationships always help, but I thought Brady put in a
great sense. My guess is, if you look at Russell
Wilson's career since he left Seattle and people's reaction to
it and all the things that everybody heard about Seattle,
was Russ wanted to be something that maybe he was not.
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Russ wanted to be the best quarterback in the league,
and it was the old let Russ cook and he's
cooked himself since, Whereas Gino had been in the league
enough and I think he got to the point where
the I'm just gonna do what Pete asked me to do,
and Pete loved that and it was good enough. And
so if you have a guy that you have reasonable
expectations of, just do what I want you to do,
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he will both be successful and now you get financially compensated.
That does make sense. That's what the Fox says.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I'd say be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Gottlieb Show weekday. He's at three pm Eastern noon
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Speaker 2 (15:55):
Let's find out who are What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
And now it's your annoying?
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Oh man, this is great.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
I just watched Chisholm get out on the Yankees and
it I wanted to do something I wanted to I'm
going to start this today with a repudiation. I just
remember two or three weeks ago, the entire media industry
said the torpedo bats are going to revolutionize baseball.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
Who knew they would revolutionize the torpedo bat.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
Somebody on our network was real excited that the baseball
is allowing this kind of innovation to change the way
baseball is played. Even though they've been using wood bats
for one hundred and forty years. The torpedo bats were
going to be the change. Jazz Chisholm had three home
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runs and six RBIs in the first three games of
the season. April Jazz Chisholm has one home run. He's
betting one thirty three with a seven percentage of three hundred,
even though he uses the torpedo bats. Notice they're not
talking about the torpedo bats anymore, which is not uncommon
for the way that we handle news in this news cycle.
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Remember two weeks ago, around the same time as a
torpedo bats, everyone was supposed to be fired and tried
for treason for including a journalist on the signal app
Remember that that was the worst thing in the history
of the security of a country. And two weeks later,
nobody's been fired, not one person.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
All on holl on on. Do you think that was
a good thing?
Speaker 7 (17:44):
No, I just don't think it was the worst thing
in the history of the security of a country, like
some people were making it out.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
That's kind of my point. Yeah, there can never be
an in between.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
The that's absolutely true.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Everyone's got to be fired or it wasn't a big deal.
The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Just like
with the torpedo bats. This is not the innovation to
take baseball to the next level. This was not the
innovation that everyone's going to start hitting a lot of
home runs. This is just something that happened over like
a two day period that I'm still not going to
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discount the Brewers pitching in that role, in the role
of that jazz Chisholm, and the torpedo bat. Where is
all the news? Why isn't the news to cover this
as aggressive as it was to anoint baseball's innovation.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
Who knew they would revolutionize the torpedo bat.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Yesterday, the Dodgers visited the White House and a couple
of Dodgers were asked before their game against the Nationals
about the trip. This was an example. Dave Roberts said
this about the trip to the White House.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
I hope we get to do it again next year
and go to the White House and celebrate a previous championships.
So yeah, it was great. The President was very generous
with this time. And as I'm sure you guys heard,
we had an opportunity to go to the Oval Office
as well, and that's just something that the only dream
of an opportunity to go to the White House.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Clayton Kershaw also said it's an honor to go to
the White House.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Again.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Something happened in twenty twenty, something weird happened where we
started thinking abnormal things were normal and it became real popular. Actually,
actually I think it was between twenty sixteen and now
to not go to the White House.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
No starry with Obama, sorry with Obama.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Oh, at some point we're going to tell our grandchildren,
maybe our great grandchildren that yes, yes, people refused an
invitation to celebrate their own success.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
It is so because they disagreed with the politics of
the person of the White House.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, I've like, you're never going to get that opportunity
ever again in your life, right to go meet the
president of our country. Like why would you if you
if you don't like President Obama, President Trump, President Biden, whatever,
Like you're literally never going to be in the same
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room And what do you say you know, say you know,
tell them how you really feel about them. Whatever. That's
never going to happen again. What's most annoying.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
I just realized that there is a political aspect to
everything that I have today. So did you see what
Stephen A. Smith did? Stephen A. Smith, he's now leaving
the door open. Oh, now, leaving the door open. This
is what he says. Over the last few weeks, I've
had no choice but to get more serious about this
is no choice, no choice, zero choice. I've been approached
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by people on Capitol Hill. I've been approached by people
who are elected officials, whether it be governors and mayors.
People have legitimately seriously talked about me in this role.
When I look at this country and think it's an
absolute mess, and that's what legitimate reason to believe that
I indeed have a legitimate shot to win the president's
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in the United States, I'm not gonna rule it out.
I'm gonna leave the door open.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Oh good, well, good Now I can rest easy knowing
that there's a chance that Steven A. Smith may run
for president. My only thought on the Steven A may
run for president thing is as much as it sounds,
like the dumbest fucking thing ever. I mean, there were
plenty of people who said the same thing about Donald Trump,
and he ran against fifteen establishment Republicans to beat him
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and then beat the Clinton machine. So I will never
say never. You know, anyway, if you haven't learned your
lesson from Donald Trump's two different presidential campaigns and or
three different presidential campaigns and his wins, then you're not
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paying attention. Said, I was sleeping very well with or
without knowing Steven A. Smith. May Or may not run
for president, but I'm now the president. I want to
know who the governors are. He says, they're telling him to.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Rute all these people aproached them.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I want to I want to know who that is.
I want to know who that is. And I also
want to know how does it work? Because there has
to be some financial gain from people. Do you just
when you lose? Do you declare a loss and not
pay taxes that year? Is that the deal? Like? How
does it all work? Somebody let us know?
Speaker 6 (22:36):
So what's stephen Ae.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Stephen a the torpedo bat phenomenon and uh the White
House visit.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I'm going to go torpedo bat because my only issue
with you, Jay stew was you said everybody in media
and I know you were going over the top. I
did not say that, but it was everywhere and people
were talking about it, and you were the one who's like,
maybe the Brewers pitching really sucks and maybe the Yankees
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are really good, and can we get more of a
sample size? You know, reminds you of Do you remember
the name Kevin Moss? Of course, yeah, right, there were two.
And then there's a catcher the Yankees had that was
called up, probably Gary Sanchez. Do you remember Gary Sanchez
when he got called up his rookie year, he had
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twenty home runs in fifty three games played. And then
I think Kevin Moss had something like that, some like
twenty six home runs when he got called up as
a Yankee as well. That was like twenty five years ago.
The point is that they were to the Yankees what
torpedo bats have been to baseball discussion, where for a
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short term they were incredible and people went crazy about it,
and yet the reality, yeah, you need a larger sample
size for the record.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
Matt Holliday was not buying any video there. We put
him on shortly after and he wasn't buying the hype.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
Col knew they would revolutionize the torpedo bat so by everybody,
you mean Colin Cowhert.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Colin Cowhert is an amalgamation of how everyone overreacted to
those Have you.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Seen the video going around of Colin Colin saying like
eight years ago, no way Lebron at forty years old
will be doing what Jordan did at forty years old.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Oh, I have not seen that one though.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Oh, google that one. It's an alzheimer I would say,
the prone to hyperbole, prisoner of the moment, overreaction to
the torpedo bat as any.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 7 (24:56):
I think the best thing about Steven A this is
how mine, mine works. The best thing about Stephen A
keeping the door open to be president of the United
States means we could play James Carvell. James Carvel, people
don't know, you know what he looks like. He wears
lsu garb all the time. He talks about politics. He's
left of center. He was Clinton's I don't know, he
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was in his cabinet or something.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Political strategist.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
I thought, great voice, and I love the agent the
ragent Cajun.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
Yeah, and remember this is what he said about Stephen
a back when the rumblings first began.
Speaker 10 (25:29):
When it comes to politics, he don't know his ask
from a hole in the ground. He's on that running
his goddamn mouth about how he may have to run
as a Democrat because there's nothing left the Democratic Party.
There's no talent, Stephen, Ay, are you shitting me? So
before you start running your fucking mouth off about politics,
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the topic of what you really don't know anything about,
you ought to sit back and think about it and
call some people and run it by it. But don't
let your your your your political stupid to standing away
your outspoken and I think often in psychul views when
it comes to American sports, of which I think you
are an expert.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
App No, no, he's not an expert of those either.
But that was amazing. That was amazing. Uh what are
you that? Is that A because you can't? Because we can?
I love that?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
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going on? How's your day? This is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
It's Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. Welcome in. Hey, let's
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welcome in my good friend Brandon Christall who covers all
things in terms of Denver sports. So we're getting ready
to do the show, and I'm thinking about talking about
college basketball and Florida's win, Houston's loss, you know, the
the juxtaposition of Houston's comeback two nights previous, and then
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all of a sudden news pops up that both Mike
Malone and Calvin Booth were both fired, and yet here
we are two weeks short of the playoffs. Brandon, what happened?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I think the message from Michael Malone got stale, and
the four straight losses maybe just amplified that. And Nicole
Yokis saying we're not a very good team right now,
and Malone saying the other day after one of the
losses that he can't even get the team to watch
film properly something along those lines. I'm paraphrasing, but that
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there's a real disconnect. And Malone was Jamal Murray's biggest supporter,
and I heard throughout the year, especially they had a
tough loss to Minnesota on a five game road trip
that Jamal Murray gets different treatment when he doesn't play
well than brought some of his teammates to And so look,
Michael Moon was the winning his coach in the history
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of the Nuggets in terms of wins. He's obviously won
their only championship, and he and Joker were there to
get it for a decade. But there's no way that
Josh Cronkey and that stand didn't come to this after
I'm sure several weeks of debate, it's not even longer.
And I'm sure that Joker was at least made aware
of it, if not even you know, talked to before
they pulled the trigger, because when you got the best
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player in the world, you can't just go ahead and
fire us head out, at least giving him a heads up.
I'm not sure how many more people knew other than
Joker that this was going to happen, and how soon,
you know, or how soon before it happened did they
tell Nicole that they were going to do it? And
then the Calvin Booth things just you know, Tim Conley
really helped build the roster and a couple extra pieces,
but then they didn't keep KCP. They couldn't keep Jeff
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Green or Bruce Brown really and the pieces that he
brought in. Maybe you just didn't think fit as well,
the Dario Sarich move being one of them. And so
I think that it's just time for a full reset
and new voices in there.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Uh okay, but why now, like the playoffs start in
two weeks, like you basically said, this year's over, we
got no shot, right.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah, well yeah, I guess the thought is that, and
we see it happened in the NFL, where you'll get
a bounce back, you know, from an interim coach. Typically
it's usually one game. The NBA is a little different,
and most times when coaches get fired, it's not like
Taylor Jenkins a few weeks ago or Michael Malone were
the playoff teams and they're firing their coach weeks before
the playoffs. I mean we're inside of two weeks the
playoffs start, then the Nuggets could be a playing team
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if they don't pick it up in these final three games.
They're at Sacramento to night, home to Memphis at Houston Sunday,
and they could end up in the play in. But
it's not next Saturday, the nineteenth, or Sunday to twentieth.
The playoffs are going to start, and so it does
feel odd unless you just thought that you were not
getting any kind of response from Michael Malone, you were
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going to make this move anyway, and maybe a new
voice in this case is going to be David Adelman,
son of longtime NBA coach Rick Adelman, has been on
the Nugget staff for a bunch of years and coached
him in Summer league a couple of years back, and
has filled in when Malone's had to miss a game
here or there, including earlier this year when he watched
his daughter in the state volleyball finals in her senior year.
He coached two games there, or at least one game
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there on that Friday in New Orleans when they lost.
So you're gonna get a new voice, even if it's
just for three games in the play in or three
games in a first Round series, or maybe David Adelman
makes a deep run. If he doesn't, I think he'll
get an interview. But I think there's gonna be some
other stronger names to consider, and I'll throw one at you.
At the very top of the list for folks around
here is Denver native Chauncey Billups, who's in the final
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year of his deal. There's a team option, but I
talked to somebody close to the situation and they think
Chauncey could get out of it if you really wanted to.
So there's a name there. And on the GM side,
Bob Meyer is an OC guy. Why wouldn't you want
to come in and take a shot at building a
team around the best player in the world. You know
Bob better than I do, Doug. But those are two
names that at least would make sense to talk to.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
If I'm Josh Cronky, Yeah, I mean they would. I
don't know in terms of them working together how that
would work. But it's not that you fire Mike Malowe
or that the or you fire at Calvin Booth. It's
the timing of it. It's just so bizarre.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Doug, Can I throw one more thing at you real quick?
That happened to a couple of weeks ago, and it's
never happened. So the ESPN game on a Friday night,
they played the Lakers without Luca and without Lebron and
Austin Reeves went nuts in the first half with twenty
two points and ten boards, and Stan Kronki, who certainly
does not run the day to day Josh does, and
when the cross ownership rules and even since they've relaxed
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those rules in the NFL, stands around, but he's not
around as much as Josh's around. Josh runs both the
Nuggets and the Avalanche. Stan essentially runs the rams, if
you will. And so Fan sat at the end of
the bench mark Cuban style on that Friday night for
the entire game, something that every single person that I
talked to can't remember seeing Stan and Joshua around three
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games every now and then. You'll see him on the
court even and you'll certainly see him in the hallways
and all of that. But Stan has a very nice
suite at the very top of the stadium where he
almost always watches the game game from if he's in town.
And so my only thought is that and that probably
in the very beginning of this, at least for Michael Malone.
But you know how it's in a game, if you're
a player, you kind of forget what's going on at
the end of the bench anyway. But there's a chance
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that he's watching those huddles up close and they ended
up squeaking out a three point win against you know,
no stars on the Lakers that day. With apologies to
Austin Reeves and Jackson Hayes, but maybe Stan really thought,
like Malm's not getting through to these guys anymore. And
I don't know if that was the catalyst to this,
and I don't know if they would admit that, but it
was peculiar timing now that you look back at it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Just a couple weeks later Stug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Brandy Christal is our guest. Okay, so
what about Russell Westbrook? How does he fit into this right?
Because he's had some he's had some rough moments, he's
(06:53):
had some good moments, but it does seem to be
wherever he goes now, drama does follow him.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, and it's kind of popped up of late because
I think the games mean more and because Jamal Murray's
been banged up, or other players have been banged up,
Russ has had. They've had no choice on most but
to play Russ in the closing minutes. But you look
at the loss of the Spurs a week ago Friday,
or it was four days ago, whenever it was. These
days all blend together, but no starters in the game,
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the whole the whole game. They sat Joker, they said,
you know, Jamal's banged up, Aaron Gordon, they all sat
Michael Porter, and so Russ at the very end of
the game gets a big steal, goes in and missus
a layup that he didn't need to take. They were
up one. And then on the other end to Min's
a foul on a three point shot that ends up
costing in the game. And we've seen it a couple
of times where Russ give it and take it away,
where he makes some great plays, comes up with a
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rebound you would never expect a six four thirty six
year old guard to make in a clutch moment, and
he'll make a big play, and you can tell that
he does understand the game, perhaps at a higher level
than a lot of his young teammates. But there's just
these like knucklehead moments that have plagued them every where
he's gone. And the energy thing I think is nullified
in the playoffs a little bit too, because everyone plays
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hard in the playoffs. So playing hard in the middle
of December and January is Russ's superpower, But in April
and May, it doesn't matter because everyone's coming out locked
in from the jump, at least the good teams typically,
and so I think they're going to obviously have to play.
Joker is the one that wanted them to really run
the second unit and take some of the pressure off them,
and we understand why, and they actually played pretty well
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together when they're on the floor. Russ is maybe the
worst three point shooter in the history of the NBA
in terms of a guy who's taken as many threes
as he's taken, and I think he's a thirty percent
three point shooter. We know he's not a great free
throw shooter. So it's going to be fascinating to see
how David Adelman uses him now, because you know, David
probably has carte blanche from Josh to some degree to
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do what he wants in game. I guess as long
as it's cool with jokers, you know, and so how
they how they end up playing him is going to
be fascinating. And if they bring him back, because Russell
Westbrook's made three hundred and sixty five million dollars in
his career, but only two million this year from the Nuggets.
He wanted to come play with Joe Cer. He wanted
to come to Denver. Less pressure. But when you put
him in at the end of games and he blows
it for you hard, it's hard not to blame him.
(09:09):
And then it goes back to field and I'm sure
how he did it both stops in LA as well
as you know, Houston and OKC before that, and so
he's having flashbacks.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
He got a thing, awesome stuff. That's my man, Brandon Christal.
If it happens in Denver, he knows about it. He
shares it with us here on the Doug gatlib Show
in Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Be thanks so much joining us, Bud, Thanks Dog talk
to you soon.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekday. He's at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Let's Get the Fox says and now every day at
this time of the Doug Gatlib Show in the Bonus
Podcast to play for your portion of a previous show
on Fox Sports Trader or Fox Sports One. Here's Dan
Patrick talking about the Florida Gators.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
After watching Florida win the national championship. It's more than
just about money. Duke Duke dominated the ACC and if
you're not tested during the regular season, you get to
steamroll your way to the final four. You rarely play
from behind, you rarely feel that pressure. And then the
moment demands that, and they flinched fourteen point lead, vanished
(10:17):
in the final four and with it their chance for
a national championship. And then you look at Florida. The
Gators weren't perfect, but they were prepared for this moment.
They've fallen behind in four of their tournament games and
came back to win, including last night. But you know,
think about this. They were down ten to Texas Tech,
comeback down laid to Auburn, another comeback two point win
(10:41):
over the defending national champion Yukon Huskies. Last night, They're
down by twelve at one point. No panic whatsoever that's experienced.
That's what happens when your battle tested Florida was Duke wasn't,
and it made all the difference in the world.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, listen, I think there's some of that. You know,
you have to go through it. You got to feel
those close games and see how they can react. But
I also think, like, let's let's not let let's not
let John Shire off the hook. Their inbounds plays against
the press were fucking atrocious. They just were, you know,
and then they called time out and they ran like
a box set. That's something you run underneath your own
(11:21):
basket and not when you're going length on the floor.
It didn't make any sense. So and John was honest
about it. John's like, hey, we got to do more,
put them in better position to succeed. He right, like
they didn't. He didn't help him ount So do I
think some of it was the acc Sure, But Dud's
played in big games. You know, they played big games.
You had to if you're gonna beat Houston, you got
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to complete the task. You got to box out, you
gotta value the ball, and then when they press, you
kind of got to be a man about it. I
also just think they went to their guys got tight
and they relied on Cooper to kind of take over,
and he settled for three midnies and missed all of them.
And some of that was also John and that you know,
he called basically an ISO where so many of their
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actions they had been running previously had worked beautifully. You know,
do I think that playing in the weaker acc prepared them? No?
But let's not act like the Big twelve. Every team
in the Big Twelve is awesome, just not you know,
there's not now Houston. It did play very tough schedule
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in the Big Twelve, remember, because not everybody plays the
same schedule. But like you know, look at Duke's record. Okay,
they did play Kentucky, they played at Arizona, they played
at Kansas, they played Auburn, right, they played at Louisville.
Those are all good teams. Now it had been a
minute since they played somebody that caliber been a long minute.
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And then once you get to the NCAA tournament, you know,
they just dominated Arizona, Alabama, Baylor, et cetera. But I don't.
I don't go with thee. Well, they played in a
weaker league, so they weren't ready for close games. They
playing close games this year, you know, not a good
enough press, break settle for settle for bad shots and
didn't box out and got beat by a tenacious older
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team that was super physical. Here's Brady Quinn talking about
Gino Smith and Pete Carroll reunite in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
It's interesting getting to like the mental side of things
with Pete Carroll and Gino Smith in that relationship because
both of them kind of came off bad breakups. Like
things didn't work out for Gino in New York with
the Jets after drafting him, and large part due to
the dysfunction that that organization was. I mean I was
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there with Gino. He could spin it.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Now.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Were there some things that he needed to grow up
and mature, you know in the league when I was there.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
With him his rookie year.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Of course, that's every rookie quarterback. Though every rookie quarterback
goes through that, and he has and I think he
had the opportunity to sit, watch, learn and he really
sees that next opportunity and for Pete. Look, Gino was
that quarterback after Russell Wilson, who kind of provided him,
you know, some element of stability, some element of good
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quarterback play and all be honest. Whenever I watched their tape,
I always feel like Geno Smith is overcoming a lot
more than people want to give him credit. And even
last year, you know, had another new offensive coordinator, completely
different system, how he handled the line of scrimmage, how
he handled everything, just that it's put on the quarterback's
plate being the field general out there. I think it
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flies under the radar because people don't understand how hard
that is in one year's time to switch to a
new system and do all the things that he was
asked to do. But he's from Pete Carroll's perspective. He
understands exactly what he's getting his quarterback. So I kind
of loved it for both of them because I think
they both found each other at the right time. If
you will.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, I think it's a great way. I mean, previous
relationships always help, but I thought Brady put in a
great sense. My guess is, if you look at Russell
Wilson's career since he left Seattle and people's reaction to
it and all the things that everybody heard about Seattle,
was Russ wanted to be something that maybe he was not.
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Russ wanted to be the best quarterback in the league,
and it was the old let Russ cook and he's
cooked himself since, Whereas Gino had been in the league
enough and I think he got to the point where
the I'm just gonna do what Pete asked me to do,
and Pete loved that and it was good enough. And
so if you have a guy that you have reasonable
expectations of, just do what I want you to do,
(15:36):
he will both be successful and now you get financially compensated.
That does make sense. That's what the Fox says.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I'd say be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Gottlieb Show weekday. He's at three pm Eastern noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Let's find out who are What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
And now it's your annoying?
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Oh man, this is great.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
I just watched Chisholm get out on the Yankees and
it I wanted to do something I wanted to I'm
going to start this today with a repudiation. I just
remember two or three weeks ago, the entire media industry
said the torpedo bats are going to revolutionize baseball.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
Who knew they would revolutionize the torpedo bat.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
Somebody on our network was real excited that the baseball
is allowing this kind of innovation to change the way
baseball is played. Even though they've been using wood bats
for one hundred and forty years. The torpedo bats were
going to be the change. Jazz Chisholm had three home
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runs and six RBIs in the first three games of
the season. April Jazz Chisholm has one home run. He's
betting one thirty three with a seven percentage of three hundred,
even though he uses the torpedo bats. Notice they're not
talking about the torpedo bats anymore, which is not uncommon
for the way that we handle news in this news cycle.
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Remember two weeks ago, around the same time as a
torpedo bats, everyone was supposed to be fired and tried
for treason for including a journalist on the signal app
Remember that that was the worst thing in the history
of the security of a country. And two weeks later,
nobody's been fired, not one person.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
All on holl on on. Do you think that was
a good thing?
Speaker 7 (17:44):
No, I just don't think it was the worst thing
in the history of the security of a country, like
some people were making it out.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
That's kind of my point. Yeah, there can never be
an in between.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
The that's absolutely true.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Everyone's got to be fired or it wasn't a big deal.
The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Just like
with the torpedo bats. This is not the innovation to
take baseball to the next level. This was not the
innovation that everyone's going to start hitting a lot of
home runs. This is just something that happened over like
a two day period that I'm still not going to
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discount the Brewers pitching in that role, in the role
of that jazz Chisholm, and the torpedo bat. Where is
all the news? Why isn't the news to cover this
as aggressive as it was to anoint baseball's innovation.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
Who knew they would revolutionize the torpedo bat.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Yesterday, the Dodgers visited the White House and a couple
of Dodgers were asked before their game against the Nationals
about the trip. This was an example. Dave Roberts said
this about the trip to the White House.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
I hope we get to do it again next year
and go to the White House and celebrate a previous championships.
So yeah, it was great. The President was very generous
with this time. And as I'm sure you guys heard,
we had an opportunity to go to the Oval Office
as well, and that's just something that the only dream
of an opportunity to go to the White House.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Clayton Kershaw also said it's an honor to go to
the White House.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Again.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Something happened in twenty twenty, something weird happened where we
started thinking abnormal things were normal and it became real popular. Actually,
actually I think it was between twenty sixteen and now
to not go to the White House.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
No starry with Obama, sorry with Obama.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Oh, at some point we're going to tell our grandchildren,
maybe our great grandchildren that yes, yes, people refused an
invitation to celebrate their own success.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
It is so because they disagreed with the politics of
the person of the White House.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, I've like, you're never going to get that opportunity
ever again in your life, right to go meet the
president of our country. Like why would you if you
if you don't like President Obama, President Trump, President Biden, whatever,
Like you're literally never going to be in the same
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room And what do you say you know, say you know,
tell them how you really feel about them. Whatever. That's
never going to happen again. What's most annoying.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
I just realized that there is a political aspect to
everything that I have today. So did you see what
Stephen A. Smith did? Stephen A. Smith, he's now leaving
the door open. Oh, now, leaving the door open. This
is what he says. Over the last few weeks, I've
had no choice but to get more serious about this
is no choice, no choice, zero choice. I've been approached
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by people on Capitol Hill. I've been approached by people
who are elected officials, whether it be governors and mayors.
People have legitimately seriously talked about me in this role.
When I look at this country and think it's an
absolute mess, and that's what legitimate reason to believe that
I indeed have a legitimate shot to win the president's
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in the United States, I'm not gonna rule it out.
I'm gonna leave the door open.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Oh good, well, good Now I can rest easy knowing
that there's a chance that Steven A. Smith may run
for president. My only thought on the Steven A may
run for president thing is as much as it sounds,
like the dumbest fucking thing ever. I mean, there were
plenty of people who said the same thing about Donald Trump,
and he ran against fifteen establishment Republicans to beat him
(21:37):
and then beat the Clinton machine. So I will never
say never. You know, anyway, if you haven't learned your
lesson from Donald Trump's two different presidential campaigns and or
three different presidential campaigns and his wins, then you're not
(21:57):
paying attention. Said, I was sleeping very well with or
without knowing Steven A. Smith. May Or may not run
for president, but I'm now the president. I want to
know who the governors are. He says, they're telling him to.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Rute all these people aproached them.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I want to I want to know who that is.
I want to know who that is. And I also
want to know how does it work? Because there has
to be some financial gain from people. Do you just
when you lose? Do you declare a loss and not
pay taxes that year? Is that the deal? Like? How
does it all work? Somebody let us know?
Speaker 6 (22:36):
So what's stephen Ae.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Stephen a the torpedo bat phenomenon and uh the White
House visit.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I'm going to go torpedo bat because my only issue
with you, Jay stew was you said everybody in media
and I know you were going over the top. I
did not say that, but it was everywhere and people
were talking about it, and you were the one who's like,
maybe the Brewers pitching really sucks and maybe the Yankees
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are really good, and can we get more of a
sample size? You know, reminds you of Do you remember
the name Kevin Moss? Of course, yeah, right, there were two.
And then there's a catcher the Yankees had that was
called up, probably Gary Sanchez. Do you remember Gary Sanchez
when he got called up his rookie year, he had
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twenty home runs in fifty three games played. And then
I think Kevin Moss had something like that, some like
twenty six home runs when he got called up as
a Yankee as well. That was like twenty five years ago.
The point is that they were to the Yankees what
torpedo bats have been to baseball discussion, where for a
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short term they were incredible and people went crazy about it,
and yet the reality, yeah, you need a larger sample
size for the record.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
Matt Holliday was not buying any video there. We put
him on shortly after and he wasn't buying the hype.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
Col knew they would revolutionize the torpedo bat so by everybody,
you mean Colin Cowhert.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Colin Cowhert is an amalgamation of how everyone overreacted to
those Have you.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Seen the video going around of Colin Colin saying like
eight years ago, no way Lebron at forty years old
will be doing what Jordan did at forty years old.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Oh, I have not seen that one though.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Oh, google that one. It's an alzheimer I would say,
the prone to hyperbole, prisoner of the moment, overreaction to
the torpedo bat as any.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 7 (24:56):
I think the best thing about Steven A this is
how mine, mine works. The best thing about Stephen A
keeping the door open to be president of the United
States means we could play James Carvell. James Carvel, people
don't know, you know what he looks like. He wears
lsu garb all the time. He talks about politics. He's
left of center. He was Clinton's I don't know, he
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was in his cabinet or something.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Political strategist.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
I thought, great voice, and I love the agent the
ragent Cajun.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
Yeah, and remember this is what he said about Stephen
a back when the rumblings first began.
Speaker 10 (25:29):
When it comes to politics, he don't know his ask
from a hole in the ground. He's on that running
his goddamn mouth about how he may have to run
as a Democrat because there's nothing left the Democratic Party.
There's no talent, Stephen, Ay, are you shitting me? So
before you start running your fucking mouth off about politics,
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the topic of what you really don't know anything about,
you ought to sit back and think about it and
call some people and run it by it. But don't
let your your your your political stupid to standing away
your outspoken and I think often in psychul views when
it comes to American sports, of which I think you
are an expert.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
App No, no, he's not an expert of those either.
But that was amazing. That was amazing. Uh what are
you that? Is that A because you can't? Because we can?
I love that?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Because we can? That's it for the end of Bonus Podcast.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!