April 17, 2025 • 42 mins
On this edition of The Best of the Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to the recent comments by Aaron Rodgers on the Pat McAfee Show about some of the stories told about him this off-season.
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Too much energy behind that, maybe a little bit.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
But you gotta scare me.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
What's up America? How you doing The Doug Gottlieb Show
broadcast live? But today we're in the Iraheart Studios in Madison, Wisconsin. No,
not in Madison County. No bridges here, but we're trying
to build bridges in the basketball community in Wisconsin. Okay,
we got a good amount to get to. How bad?
(00:54):
How bad have those games been? Ooh yea yuy, Like
I'm watching my thezer.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Not very competitive game. These are not great.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Watching the Bulls get blown out at home and then
and then watching the Mavericks take down Sacramento with the
final with their final game for Sacramento this year. And
I thought that was really interesting, right that Sacramento fired
their GM right after the game, Like guess the darn
Fox move didn't go over well. But before we get
(01:26):
to the hoop stuff, let's get to the football stuff
of the day. Aaron Rodgers has done it again. His
appearance on Pat McAfee has taken over all of sports
media talk, and rightfully. So here's a first ballot Hall
of Fame, multi MVP, Super Bowl champion player who does
not have a job, and we're trying to figure out
(01:46):
does he actually want to have a job. So there's
a bunch to it. Let's get to Aaron speaking for himself. Okay,
And obviously people want to talk about the Jets and
how that ended. We'll get to that, and I do
think it relates to the Steelers. But here's Aaron Rodgers
talking with McAfee about his visit to the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Personally, I wanted to see what it was like there,
see the facility, get to meet on more in person.
Let's get a glimpse a snippet of what life would
be like in Pittsburgh. So I thought it was important
to go see it in person. And I also want
to do it as quietly as possible, So you want.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
To do it in person. He wanted to see for himself.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
He want to do as quiet as possible, which he
can't be quiet when it's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Here's Rogers talking about the Vikings.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
There's been a lot of narratives that have not been
anywhere near accurate. Ben was on the show talking about
me waiting around for the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
That's not accurate either. I've known Kevin forever.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I've known Kevin O'Connell since we used to work out
in San Diego.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
County, in North County.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I've known him for seventeen eighteen years and we got
a good friendship walk outside of just you know this offseason.
We keeping tests during the season, so we've had good communication.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Okay, so he's had good communication, right, they worked out together,
they know each other well. I thought this was interesting, right,
that the whole idea of how much money he would
play for.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
I had a lot of great conversations with a lot
of teams.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I've been straight up with these teams from the start
about where I was at, you know, starting with the
money thing. I told every single one of the teams
I talked to, you know, the ain't about the money.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
I'll play for ten MS. You know, I don't care.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I never once said I need a multi year deal
of thirty forty million dollars.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I said, I played for ten.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Sounds like a good deal, right, you know. I thought
it was really interesting and telling. When I want you
to listen to what Rogers said about his last meeting
with the Jets before he played for you, also listen
to what Rogers what he says when he is asked
(04:04):
by the jets new head coach if he wants to
play football.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I figured that when I flew across country on my
own dime, that there was going to be a conversation.
And twenty seconds in he goes, I mean literally, I'm
talking to the GM about something. And he leans to
the edge of his sheet and goes, should you want
to play football? And I was like, yeah, I'm interested.
And he said we're going a different direction at quarterback.
And I was kind of shocked. Now, not shocked because
(04:34):
I didn't think that was a possibility. Listen, of course
they want to move on, that's totally fine, but shocked
because I just flew across the country.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
You could have told me this on the phone.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
So I said, huh, and he goes, we just want
to know how you want it released the messaging and
I said why and then he said, I don't want
to be up in front of the room saying something
and have guys looking back.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
At you interesting. And I said, what does that even mean?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Are you a sh assuming that I would be in
the back of the room during the team meeting undermining
what you're saying. I said, you don't know me, and
he said you don't know me, and then I said exactly,
which is why I flew across the country to have
a face to face meeting with you to talk about
my experience with the Jets. What I thought was going
to be a couple hour meeting turned into like a
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fifteen minute meeting and I walked out of there.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I think it's amazing, right, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
What Aaron is dealing with is a perception battle, and
what he's trying to do is win the reality battle.
And it's really hard because how he has been perceived
overshadows any sort of reality for the life that he's lived. Again,
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you know, my dealings with Aaron, he was great, but
when I said, hey, it'd be the most Aaron Rodgers
thing ever for him, to sign with the Steelers when
the NCAA tournament starts, everybody no out of their head
because that's everybody's perception of Aaron, whether it's real or
simply we're just taking from the previous things he's done
(06:11):
in his career. You know, where he says he doesn't
want attention, yet everything he does gets attention. I do
think his response to do you want to play football?
And I'm open to it is not the answer anyone's
looking for. And again, Aaron's perspective is, Hey, I'm just
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being honest, like do I want to play football?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But like what's the setup here? You know, what's my role?
What's the offense? Like I got to know kind of
some particulars here. It's not just a blanket. Do you
want to play football? I want to play football? And
the yeah, but and the answer. I was thinking of
this when I heard that answer, and I realized he
(06:57):
had not yet committed to playing to the steel for
the Steelers. I imagine that answer going over poorly with
Mike Tomlin because this is a couple of years ago.
But Mike Tomlin, he kind of coined a phrase that
I use everybody used.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Take a Listen, we didn't.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Wait their circumstances. No, we weighed our circumstances, not only
the tangible element of our circumstances, but the intangible quality
that makes up team. Like I mentioned, when we moved him,
we had an opportunity to get value for him, and
so that was entertaining and interesting to us. But also,
to be quite honest with you and blunt, Melvin no
(07:35):
longer wanted to be here. And for us, we prefer
volunteers as opposed to hostages.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
We want volunteers, not hostages. So when a coach or
a GM says, hey, do you want to play football,
the only answer is yes, not I'm open to it.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
We don't want hostages. Eh yah.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, somebody asks you if you want a job, only
answer is yes, And then in terms of particulars and
all that stuff, well then you can kind of work
that stuff out. But the second you say, they're like,
I'm moving on. But yeah, the Jets look like a
clown show. That shouldn't be a surprise. It looks like
they had a head coach that wanted to call him
(08:18):
in just to kind of be the just I mean,
it feels like like Aaron Rodgers feels like, why do
you even do this? This is a joke. But I
think they wanted to make Aaron Rodgers gravel. Hey man,
you want to be here. You kind of got to
be over the top in terms of your level of
respect for what we did in Detroit and that that
(08:39):
isin't Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That's not knowing you.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
And as much as it's really easy to beat up
on Aaron Rodgers because he has not been decisive in
any of these decisions, you hear that story, and again
there's a lot of different ways it can be perceived.
But if all of that is true, if that is
how it went down, paid his own flight, flew back there,
wanted to talk. They're like, yeah, we just wanted to
(09:04):
release you. I get that you want to do it
face to face. Actually understand that firing somebody over the
phone is not the way anybody wants to do it.
The other thing you could have done with you the
Jets was get on a plane and fly out there
and see him yourself. That's the right way to do it.
But that's why the Jets are the Jets, period.
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Speaker 7 (10:17):
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Speaker 3 (10:24):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. I want
to know, want the listeners to go back to two
thousand and eight. What were you doing in two thousand
and eight? What were you what were you following? What
were your interests? Two thousand and eight pretty random year? Nope,
wasn't random at all. In fact, this week, what was
happening in two thousand and eight? This week. In two
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thousand and eight, the Seattle SuperSonics were told they are
relocating to Oklahoma City. A twenty eight to two vote
by the Board of Governors allowed that to happen. That's significant,
And I guess you're going to ask me, well, what
happened in the NFL draft? That's always around this time, right, Yeah,
one of the most forgetful or forgettable drafts happened. Jake
(11:09):
Long went to the Dolphins at the top, and then
a guy, Chris Long, was taken second. And they're not
related to each other. Matt Ryan taken third by the Falcons.
But I looked at the first round and it's just
largely forgettable players like Darren McFadden. Not a good NFL draft.
Two thousand and eight, What a year. I think Dan
(11:32):
experienced one of the greatest times of his broadcast career.
If I'm not mistaken, Dan.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
That is correct, Jason, you know that I like to
bring in the golf perspective of this, and that's where
we start with this. In two thousand and eight, Sure
it was a year where the Americans won a Rider Cup,
actually doing so at Valhalla. Sure it was a year
where we had a multi Major winner and Padrag Harrrington.
(12:00):
But we remember two thousand and eight from Tiger Woods
and what he did at Tory Pines with a broken
leg and torn ligaments in his knee in beating rock
O medi eight in a Monday playoff that went not
eighteen but went nineteen holes. And I covered that event
for Fox Sports Radio while also simultaneously trying to cover
(12:21):
the NBA Finals that was going on between the Lakers
and Celtics, and as Tiger and Roco ended up battling
down the stretch on Sunday, Tiger makes that putt to
force the playoff on Monday. Guys, I didn't know what
my plans were going to be because just a few
hours north in downtown LA, the Lakers were trying to
(12:42):
keep their series in season alive as they trailed the
Celtics three to one in that NBA Finals. The Lakers
end up prevailing in Game five, forcing a Game six.
I took in the nineteen hole playoff from Tory Pines
on Monday. Left Tory Ponds at about two o'clock in
the afternoon after Tiger beat Rocko on the seventh hole
(13:04):
at the South Course number seven on the nineteenth doll
of the playoff, emptied my suitcase. When I drove back
up to my apartment, repacked it, caught a red eye
out a long beach to go to Boston and then
watch the Celtics win an NBA title that next night
over the Los Angeles Lakers. So in a forty eight
(13:25):
hour span in two corners of the country, I saw
Tiger Woods win arguably i'd say top three of his
most epic major victories, and then watched the Celtics beat
the Lakers in Game six of the NBA Finals to
win the NBA title. If anybody asked me what was
the best point of my broadcasting career, it's those two
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days in that window.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You earned your salary that week.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
It was great. It was everything that every kid could
have dreamed of. It wasn't a Finals like the year before,
like it was Cav's Spurs, like it's Celtics Lakers, it's
Tiger Woods. I just I don't think I'll ever top it. Dan.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
This goes out to you.
Speaker 8 (14:07):
Great job, Thank you, Sam, Thanks thanks for mocking my
I'm not broadcasting career a drop, just a great job,
be a part of it. Appreciate that I honor you
with that great job. That's good, don't keep doing it.
Everybody loves it, they do.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I mean, I've just seen a personal two thousand and eight,
my girls were two years old, which was not as
bad as everybody says the terrible twos would be. And
I found out that we were going to have a
little boy, So I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
That's that's that's honestly, that's my biggest memory of two
thousand and eight was you find out like, hey, we're
having another kid, and then towards the end of the
year found out it was going to be a boy.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
And you're like, I love being a girl. I love
being a girl. Dad, But all of a sudden, when
you hear like you're going to have a son.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Another one, pretty dope, Another one, pretty dope, pretty dope. Otherwise,
two thousand and eight gave us a lot of other stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Movies.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
This is back when people watched movies, went to movies
in the theaters right, and there was a lot of
good ones. The biggest movie hit was The Dark Knight.
It was a This was a good year for the
first in new series. I know Batman had been gone going,
(15:31):
but The Dark Knight was the first you know of that?
I well, no, as Batman begins with the first one.
But Iron Man was that year a movie that was
the last of a series where I thought it was
the last in the series that I've never seen because
I've heard it was crap. Was Indiana Jones and the
Crystal and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Is anybody
seems it was all right?
Speaker 9 (15:52):
I was so so excited, so much, so much anticipation
for that movie. When I saw it in theaters, I
was disappointed, probably because I had hyped everyone had hyped
it up so much in their minds. But I think
when you compare it to the fifth one, which I
didn't even see, but I heard, like the Dial of Destiny,
like people were like, Okay, no, that's the crappy one. Like,
you know, Harrison Ford's a little bit too old to
(16:12):
be in an action movie. He's still working his ass off. No,
you know, I love Harrison Ford. But Crystal Skull was
all right. I think it'll maybe age well time, but
it was. It doesn't live up to the original three.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I'll tell you what aged well is Wly Yeah, Wally's great.
Speaker 9 (16:28):
The story behind Wally is excellent. That's that's a good
one of those kids movies.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Really good.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, except it's a it's a terrible look at what
I think ultimately will become, which is.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, dystopian sort of.
Speaker 9 (16:41):
Ye can't don't know what to do with our trash,
you know.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So we they they're just people just stare at their
screens all day. Yeah, poor people stared at their screens
all day.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
I think Idiocracy the movie came out a year before that,
and then Wally It's two. Those two movies are kind
of maybe a glance in the future.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
H But yeah, first, what about the music, Jase do.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Well. Something that happened in the NFL season I thought
was interesting. The Steelers won the Super Bowl in the
two thousand and eight season. Dan could give us all
the specifics on that. I want to say that was
a Ben Roethlisberger quarterbacked team. I remember maybe what Jerome
Bettis was on that team. No, no, he had gone correct,
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so it was probably it was probably fast Willie Parker.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
I think it may have been Richard Mendenhall. To be
honest with you, I'm gonna go fast Willie Parker. Okay,
I know Willie Parker was super Bowl forty but this
is Super Bowl forty three when they beat Arizona.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Oh wow, okay, I could be wrong. And then Peyton
Manning was the MVP. Peyton Manning won the MVP, and
I remember they did a feature on him on the
NFL network and he was wearing iPod ear plugs, ear
hearing aids. What do you call those hearing pods? And
(18:08):
they're like, what kind of music are you listening to
right now? And he's like, I'll play it for you.
And it sounded like this.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Low low, low, low lowers. And it was Willie Parker
leading the Steelers in rushing in Super Bowl forty three
nineteen carries fifty three yards mend and all played in
Super Bowl forty five against the Packers two years later.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Hey go, I'm really right. I'm really right in a
battle against Dan and improvisation. This was Low by Florida.
It topped the charts for seventeen weeks of the two
thousand and eight year, featuring T Pain. T Pain, I
don't think had a great career after.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
This, but a lot of pain, yeah too.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
More pain than success for T Pain. Second on the
charts that year was this song.
Speaker 8 (19:11):
Never liked this song you do, I said, I have
never liked this song.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Oh so the opposite of liking it, you didn't like it.
Kind of about one hit wonder wasn't Lewis was a
Simon creation, right, Like she came over from like the
British American Idol did. This one song, Leona Lewis Bleeding Love,
(19:37):
Never Heard of Her was played over and over again
in two thousand and eight. That's what I remember. I
do remember.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
This is a we're kind of bearing the lead of
what two thousand and eight was though, right.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Are we?
Speaker 8 (19:50):
Mario Chalmers beating with the game tying three and then
Kansas beating Memphis in the final?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
The financial collapse is that you're winning.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Financial collapse happened in two thousand and eight, but that
was also an election year, so I remember. I just
remember Obama was the one that bailed out all the banks,
so he was in office January two thousand and nine.
But yeah, the housing crisis was happening, and I think
the crash happened in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yep, it did.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Layman Brothers when bankrupt, that was kind of what started
the collapse. If you will, yes, I just remember, like
you know when you go home. I remember like my
twentieth Anna verse, my twentieth reunion for my for my
high school right, or maybe it's tenth tenth reunion, right,
was like, yeah, two thousand and five was my tenth three.
(20:41):
I remember going back to California and it was like
your tenth reunion, and how many of those people who
they had gone from, Like they went to school, so
they went to went to community college, right, usually like
occ or Rancho, Santiago or whatever, Golden West where I
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went for a year. Then they went to maybe Fullerton
with Jay stew or Long Beach State. Then they got
out and they went through the different sales seats. Like
first they were selling phone cards as a matter of
phone cards, and then by the time you get to
like two.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Thousand and five, like what do you do?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Like what are you doing that You're driving a crazy
nice car, Like I remember pull up to House of
Blues That's where my test in high school reunion was,
and like I had a rental car and all these
dudes that were not they were good guys, but they
weren't like super high achievers. They weren't getting into finance,
they weren't lawyers, they weren't doctors, and they had you know,
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at as soon as they got out of college, went
from you know, sometimes beer distributorship sales, to med sales,
to phone card sales to they were all selling mortgages.
And you're like, what do I not know about mortgages?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Why is?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Why are these guys is just rolling it?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And then you find out about all the mortgage stuff
that people were doing where you don't even have to
have income and you were getting granted mortgages for houses
in the Inland Empire.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
You're like, what, like, yeah, well that that tracks?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Is that what?
Speaker 9 (22:16):
I remember the names Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
That's something to do with mortgages.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, Fannie Mae and Freddy mack are government programs.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Yes, I remember the name. Chase Sutley Jimmy Rollins. Phillies
won the World Series against the Rays in two thousand
and eight.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
They had that weird one of the games, so it
had to be split up because it was raining so hard.
They had to finish it the next day. My sister
was actually at that game, well so.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Was I Iowa Sam, and that it was close to
the details they called the game and then they couldn't
play it the next day, so they had to play
it the day after and resume it in the sixth inning.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It was raining so hard? How hard?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Was it raining?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
So hard?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
We didn't even talk college football, did we?
Speaker 8 (22:58):
Florida, Tim Tebow and the Gatas.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Oh, that's it, just Tim Tebow. He was no big deal.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I mean they had some dudes there too.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
Second National Championship did did?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Have you ever seen that roster chase two?
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I'm sure it was great. But Tim Tebow is like
the one of the greatest sensations to ever come around
in sports talk radio. I remember that Tibo flex.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, Tim Tebow was incredible. Remember that was Cam Newton
got kicked off that team, right, he was a freshman,
got kicked off right.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
Bete Oklahoma in the National championship game.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
That yeah, January we had a squad and that is
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Speaker 2 (24:12):
A good hour for you.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
There are times in which, uh, we let people in
on why our organizations are what they are, right, why
organizations are what they are?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
And I'll give you an example in TV.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I know of one of the networks that once upon
a time was roasted by SNL A Night Live, and
shortly after that they made the decision to part ways
with a couple of their talented people because by MIAs
the the people who run that network are New Yorkers
and they don't like being made fun of. Like their
(25:06):
whole thing is, let's just make everybody's happy and that's
all that matters. And when they make fun of us,
I mean they're not happy. And let's find people that
make people happy, and it lets you in on their organization,
their organization. If you're going to fire somebody because they
were made fun of by Saturday Night Live, in many ways,
you should hold on to people that are made fun
(25:27):
of by sending that live because that's bringing attention to
what you're doing get them to improve.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
But that lets you in on that organization.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Aaron Rodgers let us in on the dysfunction within the
Jets organization when he paid his own ticket, which, again,
if you're you're worth the hundreds of millions of dollars,
paying your own tickets, not a big deal.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
But when you're trying, when you're still under when you're still.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Under contract technically, or then they own your rights with
the New York Jets, not that big a deal to hey,
we're going to buy you first class fly across country.
But he said earlier today he flies back starts to
talk football, and they're just like, hey, we're going to
go in a different directions, Like why don't you just
call me? It lets you in on who the Jets are.
(26:18):
Andrew Berry is the GM of the Cleveland Browns, right.
This is the same organization that traded forward Deshaun Watson
despite all the off the field baggage, and the on
the field was almost as bad as the off the field.
Here's Andrew Berry when he's asked about Travis Hunter wanting
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to play both ways.
Speaker 11 (26:40):
It's a little bit like Otani right where you know
when he's playing one side, he's he's an outstanding players.
If he's a pitcher, he's a hitter, he's an outstanding player.
You obviously get a unicorn if you use them.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Both ways, he's a unicorn. If you no, he's not,
he's not shoheo tani. Right, he's not show heyo tani.
Please don't do that. Please please, please don't do that.
(27:11):
Please don't do that. Right, Andrew Berry calling him a
unicorn is it's Cleveland, and I get it. Like it's
before the draft. You don't want to say anything negative
even if you pass on him. The last thing you
want is Travis Hunter if you pass on him to
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every time he sees the Browns to light him up
and point to you up in the box.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Whatever. But let's just not make a show heyo tani comparison.
So you have one team.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Who has had spots of success, but for the most part,
for the most part, the Cleveland have been one of
the laughing stocks of the NFL since they came back
into existence. Right like in that division, the Ravens and
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the Steelers dominate. The Bengals had that five consecutive years
of the playoffs. They went to the Super Bowl, a
couple years ago. And then there's Cleveland that has been
good at times but for the most part kind of
a joke. Their general managers like, hey, of course he
can play both ways. He's show Hey o Tani, here's
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John Harball, head coach of the team that dominates that division.
Speaker 12 (28:36):
It's gonna be interesting to see how they do it
wherever he goes. But to say that you're going to
be completely immersed in everything that there is a known
offense and everything there is a known defense. I don't
know if there's enough hours in the day for a
player to be able to do that and to have
every detailed lockdown, but you certainly can do it. I
would think on one side of the ball and then
have some sort of a package on the other side
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of the ball, Which is my guess is how the
team will do it wherever he goes.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah,
you have one coach who keeps winning saying like, look,
it's too hard to do both, you know, both sides
of the ball. Maybe a little package on offense. You
have a GM of a team that's at the bottom
of the vision going like, yeah, hey, whatever. Dana Jeremiah
joins us next week. At this time, he'll be on
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set at lambeau Field getting ready for the NFL Draft coverage,
which of course you can see on the NFL Network.
He's the lead analyst I think joins us now on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. If you were advising a team
drafting Travis Hunter, how would you approach the he wants
to play both sides of the ball conversation?
Speaker 10 (29:43):
Well, I would approach you by saying, we're going to
major and minor and we're going to start. You know,
to me, I think he's better on offense. I think
the Browns feel the same way, and I think that's
what he's gonna end up doing. He's gonna end up
as a full time player on offense, and I think
I wouldn't be surprised if you know, it was a
bit end of the year before you started seeing him
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being sprinkled in on defense and finding some packages. It's
never been done before. We've always had guys who are
full time on defense. You'd easier to go full time
on defense and get a package of plays on offense.
You don't have to necessarily be in the offensive meeting rooms.
You kind of know what you're doing. There's no side
adjusts or anything like that. These are the plays as
they're called. You have your your package of five to
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ten plays every week that you know you're running and
you know what you're doing. Doesn't take a lot of
meeting time. I do agree with the sense that to
be a full time player on both sides the balls,
that would be just from a meeting time standpoint, that
would be extremely tough. But I like him better on offense.
I think he's more impactful on offense, and I think
you find some opportunities, you know, third downs and your
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din package, whatever you want to do, but you find
some opportunities to get him in on defense, and it's
it's pretty simplified for him. So that would be the
way I would go. I think that's the I think
that's the right way to operate with him. But I
know in talking to teams, they all see it, you know,
their own way, depending on who they have and what
they need.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Dan and Jeremiah joins us in the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so are we resigned to
knowing who's going Number one?
Speaker 10 (31:13):
I feel like I know who's going one and two.
It just feels like a fate of complete at this
point in time that cam Ward is going to Tennessee
and Travis Hunter is going to Cleveland, and it starts
with the New York Giants at number three.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
If you know that again right now, you're supposing you're
more than educated guessing. But if you know that beforehand,
will you do the surprise thing? If you already kind
of know.
Speaker 10 (31:38):
Beforehand, explain it to me again, Doug, I lost my mind.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Well, okay.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
My point is you're up there on set, Yeah, and
everybody's pretending like they don't know, and then all of
a sudden they like it's the first pick the twenty
twenty five NFL Draft Tennessee.
Speaker 10 (31:56):
Huh, and they'll act like it's a shock. No, I'm
always I always feel like you're best off being straight
up and honest, and it makes it more genuine and
in the moments which are going to happen, where hey,
before the pick, this is the you know the Giants
are you know the Giants say that they're on the
clock and the number three look, I think they could
look at a quarterback here. But everything that that you're hearing,
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and the expectation is they're not going to go quarterback,
They're going to go abdual Carter, and maybe they come
back up for a quarterback after that. All of a sudden,
the pick comes in and it's a quarterback, and it's
like a genuine, you know, shock, and that leads to
some great moments. I think when you have your your
leanings and you try and keep that to yourself before
the pick and you fake shock, I think that that's
pretty transparent. I don't think it's great. I don't think
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it's great in terms of communication, and I'm sure it's
that isn't good TV.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
No, not not so much, not so much so that I
got leave shore here a Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Let's get to pick three. You said, the draft starts
for the Giants. What do they do.
Speaker 10 (32:54):
I think they'll take Abdul Carter, you know. I just
I think there's these you know, this draft, to me,
there's about six or seven guys who separate, and amongst
those six or seven, I think there's two that are
above those guys, you know, and that's right there at
the top with Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter. And I
think if through the Giants. You just you're happy to
take whichever one of those guys is there. I don't
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love where they are at the quarterback position, with with Jamison,
with Russell Wilson, but they can line up and play.
They need to win as many games as they possibly
can next year to try and survive and keep their jobs.
And I don't necessarily think taking you know, a quarterback
with that first pick helps them win more games next year.
It might in the long run, that's going to be
somebody else's, you know, somebody else's benefit and not yours.
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So I want that first pick to help me try
and win some ball games. I think either one of
those two guys at the top does that. And then
however aggressive you want to get, you know, taking a
flyer on a quarterback with your next pick, I say,
go for it.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, Shadoor Sanders,
where's he go?
Speaker 10 (33:57):
I think the Aaron Rodgers thing, it's significant because that
that was one of the you know, that was one
of the seats. And there's there's really Cleveland, there's the Giants,
there's the Saints, and then we were assuming that Pittsburgh
was going to be filled by Aaron Rodgers now, and
maybe he comes out tomorrow and signs with Pittsburgh based
off what I saw today in his comments, that felt
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a lot like somebody who's leaning towards retiring more so
than someone who's leaning towards playing. But that I don't
see Pittsburgh, you know, running in the next year with
just Mason Rudolph. I just can't see that happening. So
that makes them more of a quarterback team. I think
Shoudor Sanders comes into play with them, and you know,
I don't know if they're worried about the Saints. I
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don't have I would told you I don't think the
Saints are taking a quarterback. But then all of a
sudden you get the Derek Carr information and it's like, well,
we don't know. So I think the good news is
if you're should do or this new thing with Aaron Rodgers,
Pittsburgh's in the mix. You've got New Orleans as a possibility,
and then you have the Cleveland Giants trade backup scenario.
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So he's got he's got quite a few options here
for where he could go.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, coming to
you from the ti rak dot com studios. What do
you think is going to be the biggest surprise on
Draft Night?
Speaker 10 (35:16):
You know, I don't. This is what I've been looking
at and I can one hundred percent see this happening.
So I don't think it'll be a surprise to me.
But maybe just because of where we assumed everything was
going in this draft, I think Ashton Genty could go
five to the to the Jacksonville Jags. I do. I
think the Jaguars could take him. He's the first pick
of a new regime there. It's somewhere that helps out
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your quarterback who you need to play better. You can
talk about having a nice trio to compliment each other,
to build around. When you look at what they got
with Brian Thomas Junior last year and now you put
Ashton Genty back there next to Trevor Lawrence. That gives
lean Colm was an offensive guy and coming from Tampa
where they really like to run the football and be physical,
that kind of gives them a little bit of an identity.
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And they've talked so much. When you listen to these
press conferences, Doug like I used to say, you know, look,
these guys are all going to keep it close to
the best. You're not going to learn anything I've learned
over the last few years. Some of these guys are
not good poker players. And if you just kind of
listen to what they're saying and how they're saying it,
and you keep hearing you know, work ethic in character
and building the culture and all that stuff, and I
(36:23):
know how off the charts elite ash and gent is
and all that stuff, and I'm like, gosh, this kind
of feels like this could be the Jags pick.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
The Jags would be that would be amazing, That would
be interesting. When you're sitting up there and you're what
is it like? What is it like?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I've done the NBA Draft on radio, never done it
on TV.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Obviously, I've done the Final Four on TV.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
But when things are happening, you know, the trades are happening,
discussions are happening, and you're trying to answer the questions
that Eisen asks you, what's the process actually like when
you're up on that stage.
Speaker 10 (37:01):
Well, I'm very thankful for experience because it's a totally different,
you know, process now than when I first started with it.
I When I first started, I thought, Okay, it's important
to have all the information, like I got to have
the information. I gotta have the information on the players,
and then I got to have the information on the
teams so that whatever happens, you can talk on them.
What I didn't realize was having the information is one thing.
(37:24):
Having quick access to that information is another. And that's
where you know you think about calling a game off
of a off of a chart Doug I created. I
create a chart that's just it's one side is the NFC,
the other side of the AFC. And I have all
the teams in the little box in there with all
the information I have about them, areas that you know
needs that they have, the picks that they have in
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this draft, the players they added in free agency, the
players they lost in free agency. So my first year
I had a packet of information and it's like all
of a sudden, Bam, Atlanta is on the clock when
I'm trying to fumble through a stack of papers, like
you can't. You can't do that. You got to have
your information accessible. And then I keep all of my
player notes in an Excel sheet on my computer that
(38:06):
I have on the desk, and so I can I
have that sorted by how I ranked them. I have
it sorted by position, I have it sorted by school,
I have it sorted by name. So anytime I get
asked about and say, hey, who are the top corners
that could go right now, bam, I've got it all
right in front of me. So that's that's made it
a lot less stressful those first couple of years trying
to stay organized with the information was a was a
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learning process.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Have you.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Have you changed in any way.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
In regards to positivity and negativity because people bring back,
you know, analysis that goes wrong on the internet.
Speaker 10 (38:50):
The approach I've always tried to take is not think
of it in that way. I like to think of
it as Okay, this player just got picked, and instead
of me just saying I hate this player, I love
this player. I've tried to take the approach of this
is why they took this player, and this is what
they're hoping he's going to be. Now to me, I
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like this other option I think makes more sense. But
I'm going to try and give you the explanation of
why they just did what they did and what they're
hoping this player is going to be based off what
they've seen. So that's the approach that I've taken. I
have not been you know, this is the dumbest thing
I've ever seen. This is the best thing I've ever seen.
I've more tried to explains this is what this guy
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does really well, this is what they need, and this
is what they're hoping. He's going to be based off
of those factors. So, you know, I don't know. I
don't know if I've been clipped off before. I'm sure
you know there's stuff out there. I don't really try
to pay attention to that. But I also am very
I'm very cognitant Doug that I need to give an
honest opinion of what I think of the player. But
I also I have there's part of me as a
(39:54):
human being, has to realize this is the biggest moment
in this kid's life, and I sure as I don't
want to take a dump on national television in that moment.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, I mean, I get it on some levels, though
you got to read between the lines and what somebody
what somebody is saying. There are times in which, though
you know that when you talk about red flags and baggage,
you know like it's not good, but you just can't
tell people that it's not good.
Speaker 8 (40:18):
Right, let me give you an example.
Speaker 10 (40:20):
Let me give you an example, because this is like
the Cleveland Pharaoh went four to the to the Raiders, right,
So that's my He was in like my nineteenth twentieth
player or something that a lot of guys over him.
He went shocked when they took him. Sure, but so
they come to you, what do you think? And I
started out, Look, this guy is my nineteenth player, so
(40:40):
I know it's a surprising. But what I'm guessing here
is with John Gruden and Mike Mayock, they wanted they
put a high emphasis on character, and they wanted someone
in there to come in that they felt like represented
the right things, and they were okay with taking somebody
higher than maybe some more talented players elsewhere. So that's
I'm trying to give you the rationale why I think
they did what they did, while also mentioning that, look,
(41:01):
that's that's a little higher than I had the guy.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, that's fair. Are you gonna make it t our
event on Tuesday? That's the big question. That's actually the
only reason we have.
Speaker 10 (41:11):
Yeah, I know, I think I've got a good shot.
I'm again, I'm going to be there for a good time,
not a long time, but I think I've got a
way to pull it off to at least have a
drive by there, you know, twenty thirty minutes to see
my guy.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
We are we coffee this week? What is your what
is your morning routine?
Speaker 1 (41:27):
You have need to work out in the morning, Like,
what is your How can I find a window to
hang out with my boy DJ in green bag?
Speaker 10 (41:33):
Yeah, I'm coffee in the morning is usually gonna be
the best bet. And I'm a coffee before workout guy.
So yeah, but I'm a you know, I think we
talked about can we go around somewhere. I'm honest, Doug, Like,
I'm a I'm a coffee downstairs guy. It's a it's
a I.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Know you're staying. I know you're staying.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
There's good coffee downstairs. Hey, I know you're staying or done,
it's it's good coffee downstairs.
Speaker 10 (41:57):
And then I can and then we can just talk
about you know how worried JU is about the fact
that we can just.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Talk about Jay Stu.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
And what what I'll do is we'll just I'll give
you all the stuff to needle him on every time
you're on just all the different there's things that trigger
j STU. It's not that hard, but but you can
trigger him and he completely loses his mind.
Speaker 10 (42:17):
No, no question. And look, you know, hey, a billion
dollars for a third place team. I mean that's money
well spent.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Right, totally, absolutely, I see that too, see that too.
He's Daniel Jeremiah.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
He's the lead analyst for the NFL Networks coverage of
next week's NFL Draft.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
He'll be in Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Uh I will stop buy and see him and buy
him a large coffee because he'll need it with all
the work he's got to do.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
DJ safe travels. We'll see you when you get in town.
Speaker 10 (42:40):
See you, buddy, all
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Right, that's my guy, my guy, Danji
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Too much energy behind that, maybe a little bit.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
But you gotta scare me.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
What's up America? How you doing The Doug Gottlieb Show
broadcast live? But today we're in the Iraheart Studios in Madison, Wisconsin. No,
not in Madison County. No bridges here, but we're trying
to build bridges in the basketball community in Wisconsin. Okay,
we got a good amount to get to. How bad?
(00:54):
How bad have those games been? Ooh yea yuy, Like
I'm watching my thezer.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Not very competitive game. These are not great.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Watching the Bulls get blown out at home and then
and then watching the Mavericks take down Sacramento with the
final with their final game for Sacramento this year. And
I thought that was really interesting, right that Sacramento fired
their GM right after the game, Like guess the darn
Fox move didn't go over well. But before we get
(01:26):
to the hoop stuff, let's get to the football stuff
of the day. Aaron Rodgers has done it again. His
appearance on Pat McAfee has taken over all of sports
media talk, and rightfully. So here's a first ballot Hall
of Fame, multi MVP, Super Bowl champion player who does
not have a job, and we're trying to figure out
(01:46):
does he actually want to have a job. So there's
a bunch to it. Let's get to Aaron speaking for himself. Okay,
And obviously people want to talk about the Jets and
how that ended. We'll get to that, and I do
think it relates to the Steelers. But here's Aaron Rodgers
talking with McAfee about his visit to the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Personally, I wanted to see what it was like there,
see the facility, get to meet on more in person.
Let's get a glimpse a snippet of what life would
be like in Pittsburgh. So I thought it was important
to go see it in person. And I also want
to do it as quietly as possible, So you want.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
To do it in person. He wanted to see for himself.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
He want to do as quiet as possible, which he
can't be quiet when it's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Here's Rogers talking about the Vikings.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
There's been a lot of narratives that have not been
anywhere near accurate. Ben was on the show talking about
me waiting around for the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
That's not accurate either. I've known Kevin forever.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I've known Kevin O'Connell since we used to work out
in San Diego.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
County, in North County.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I've known him for seventeen eighteen years and we got
a good friendship walk outside of just you know this offseason.
We keeping tests during the season, so we've had good communication.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Okay, so he's had good communication, right, they worked out together,
they know each other well. I thought this was interesting, right,
that the whole idea of how much money he would
play for.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
I had a lot of great conversations with a lot
of teams.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I've been straight up with these teams from the start
about where I was at, you know, starting with the
money thing. I told every single one of the teams
I talked to, you know, the ain't about the money.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
I'll play for ten MS. You know, I don't care.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I never once said I need a multi year deal
of thirty forty million dollars.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I said, I played for ten.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Sounds like a good deal, right, you know. I thought
it was really interesting and telling. When I want you
to listen to what Rogers said about his last meeting
with the Jets before he played for you, also listen
to what Rogers what he says when he is asked
(04:04):
by the jets new head coach if he wants to
play football.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I figured that when I flew across country on my
own dime, that there was going to be a conversation.
And twenty seconds in he goes, I mean literally, I'm
talking to the GM about something. And he leans to
the edge of his sheet and goes, should you want
to play football? And I was like, yeah, I'm interested.
And he said we're going a different direction at quarterback.
And I was kind of shocked. Now, not shocked because
(04:34):
I didn't think that was a possibility. Listen, of course
they want to move on, that's totally fine, but shocked
because I just flew across the country.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
You could have told me this on the phone.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
So I said, huh, and he goes, we just want
to know how you want it released the messaging and
I said why and then he said, I don't want
to be up in front of the room saying something
and have guys looking back.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
At you interesting. And I said, what does that even mean?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Are you a sh assuming that I would be in
the back of the room during the team meeting undermining
what you're saying. I said, you don't know me, and
he said you don't know me, and then I said exactly,
which is why I flew across the country to have
a face to face meeting with you to talk about
my experience with the Jets. What I thought was going
to be a couple hour meeting turned into like a
(05:20):
fifteen minute meeting and I walked out of there.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I think it's amazing, right, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
What Aaron is dealing with is a perception battle, and
what he's trying to do is win the reality battle.
And it's really hard because how he has been perceived
overshadows any sort of reality for the life that he's lived. Again,
(05:50):
you know, my dealings with Aaron, he was great, but
when I said, hey, it'd be the most Aaron Rodgers
thing ever for him, to sign with the Steelers when
the NCAA tournament starts, everybody no out of their head
because that's everybody's perception of Aaron, whether it's real or
simply we're just taking from the previous things he's done
(06:11):
in his career. You know, where he says he doesn't
want attention, yet everything he does gets attention. I do
think his response to do you want to play football?
And I'm open to it is not the answer anyone's
looking for. And again, Aaron's perspective is, Hey, I'm just
(06:33):
being honest, like do I want to play football?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But like what's the setup here? You know, what's my role?
What's the offense? Like I got to know kind of
some particulars here. It's not just a blanket. Do you
want to play football? I want to play football? And
the yeah, but and the answer. I was thinking of
this when I heard that answer, and I realized he
(06:57):
had not yet committed to playing to the steel for
the Steelers. I imagine that answer going over poorly with
Mike Tomlin because this is a couple of years ago.
But Mike Tomlin, he kind of coined a phrase that
I use everybody used.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Take a Listen, we didn't.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Wait their circumstances. No, we weighed our circumstances, not only
the tangible element of our circumstances, but the intangible quality
that makes up team. Like I mentioned, when we moved him,
we had an opportunity to get value for him, and
so that was entertaining and interesting to us. But also,
to be quite honest with you and blunt, Melvin no
(07:35):
longer wanted to be here. And for us, we prefer
volunteers as opposed to hostages.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
We want volunteers, not hostages. So when a coach or
a GM says, hey, do you want to play football,
the only answer is yes, not I'm open to it.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
We don't want hostages. Eh yah.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, somebody asks you if you want a job, only
answer is yes, And then in terms of particulars and
all that stuff, well then you can kind of work
that stuff out. But the second you say, they're like,
I'm moving on. But yeah, the Jets look like a
clown show. That shouldn't be a surprise. It looks like
they had a head coach that wanted to call him
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in just to kind of be the just I mean,
it feels like like Aaron Rodgers feels like, why do
you even do this? This is a joke. But I
think they wanted to make Aaron Rodgers gravel. Hey man,
you want to be here. You kind of got to
be over the top in terms of your level of
respect for what we did in Detroit and that that
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isin't Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That's not knowing you.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
And as much as it's really easy to beat up
on Aaron Rodgers because he has not been decisive in
any of these decisions, you hear that story, and again
there's a lot of different ways it can be perceived.
But if all of that is true, if that is
how it went down, paid his own flight, flew back there,
wanted to talk. They're like, yeah, we just wanted to
(09:04):
release you. I get that you want to do it
face to face. Actually understand that firing somebody over the
phone is not the way anybody wants to do it.
The other thing you could have done with you the
Jets was get on a plane and fly out there
and see him yourself. That's the right way to do it.
But that's why the Jets are the Jets, period.
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Speaker 2 (10:07):
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Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Don't call it a throwback Thack Thursday Thursday.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. I want
to know, want the listeners to go back to two
thousand and eight. What were you doing in two thousand
and eight? What were you what were you following? What
were your interests? Two thousand and eight pretty random year? Nope,
wasn't random at all. In fact, this week, what was
happening in two thousand and eight? This week. In two
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thousand and eight, the Seattle SuperSonics were told they are
relocating to Oklahoma City. A twenty eight to two vote
by the Board of Governors allowed that to happen. That's significant,
And I guess you're going to ask me, well, what
happened in the NFL draft? That's always around this time, right, Yeah,
one of the most forgetful or forgettable drafts happened. Jake
(11:09):
Long went to the Dolphins at the top, and then
a guy, Chris Long, was taken second. And they're not
related to each other. Matt Ryan taken third by the Falcons.
But I looked at the first round and it's just
largely forgettable players like Darren McFadden. Not a good NFL draft.
Two thousand and eight, What a year. I think Dan
(11:32):
experienced one of the greatest times of his broadcast career.
If I'm not mistaken, Dan.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
That is correct, Jason, you know that I like to
bring in the golf perspective of this, and that's where
we start with this. In two thousand and eight, Sure
it was a year where the Americans won a Rider Cup,
actually doing so at Valhalla. Sure it was a year
where we had a multi Major winner and Padrag Harrrington.
(12:00):
But we remember two thousand and eight from Tiger Woods
and what he did at Tory Pines with a broken
leg and torn ligaments in his knee in beating rock
O medi eight in a Monday playoff that went not
eighteen but went nineteen holes. And I covered that event
for Fox Sports Radio while also simultaneously trying to cover
(12:21):
the NBA Finals that was going on between the Lakers
and Celtics, and as Tiger and Roco ended up battling
down the stretch on Sunday, Tiger makes that putt to
force the playoff on Monday. Guys, I didn't know what
my plans were going to be because just a few
hours north in downtown LA, the Lakers were trying to
(12:42):
keep their series in season alive as they trailed the
Celtics three to one in that NBA Finals. The Lakers
end up prevailing in Game five, forcing a Game six.
I took in the nineteen hole playoff from Tory Pines
on Monday. Left Tory Ponds at about two o'clock in
the afternoon after Tiger beat Rocko on the seventh hole
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at the South Course number seven on the nineteenth doll
of the playoff, emptied my suitcase. When I drove back
up to my apartment, repacked it, caught a red eye
out a long beach to go to Boston and then
watch the Celtics win an NBA title that next night
over the Los Angeles Lakers. So in a forty eight
(13:25):
hour span in two corners of the country, I saw
Tiger Woods win arguably i'd say top three of his
most epic major victories, and then watched the Celtics beat
the Lakers in Game six of the NBA Finals to
win the NBA title. If anybody asked me what was
the best point of my broadcasting career, it's those two
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days in that window.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You earned your salary that week.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
It was great. It was everything that every kid could
have dreamed of. It wasn't a Finals like the year before,
like it was Cav's Spurs, like it's Celtics Lakers, it's
Tiger Woods. I just I don't think I'll ever top it. Dan.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
This goes out to you.
Speaker 8 (14:07):
Great job, Thank you, Sam, Thanks thanks for mocking my
I'm not broadcasting career a drop, just a great job,
be a part of it. Appreciate that I honor you
with that great job. That's good, don't keep doing it.
Everybody loves it, they do.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I mean, I've just seen a personal two thousand and eight,
my girls were two years old, which was not as
bad as everybody says the terrible twos would be. And
I found out that we were going to have a
little boy, So I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
That's that's that's honestly, that's my biggest memory of two
thousand and eight was you find out like, hey, we're
having another kid, and then towards the end of the
year found out it was going to be a boy.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
And you're like, I love being a girl. I love
being a girl. Dad, But all of a sudden, when
you hear like you're going to have a son.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Another one, pretty dope, Another one, pretty dope, pretty dope. Otherwise,
two thousand and eight gave us a lot of other stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Movies.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
This is back when people watched movies, went to movies
in the theaters right, and there was a lot of
good ones. The biggest movie hit was The Dark Knight.
It was a This was a good year for the
first in new series. I know Batman had been gone going,
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but The Dark Knight was the first you know of that?
I well, no, as Batman begins with the first one.
But Iron Man was that year a movie that was
the last of a series where I thought it was
the last in the series that I've never seen because
I've heard it was crap. Was Indiana Jones and the
Crystal and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Is anybody
seems it was all right?
Speaker 9 (15:52):
I was so so excited, so much, so much anticipation
for that movie. When I saw it in theaters, I
was disappointed, probably because I had hyped everyone had hyped
it up so much in their minds. But I think
when you compare it to the fifth one, which I
didn't even see, but I heard, like the Dial of Destiny,
like people were like, Okay, no, that's the crappy one. Like,
you know, Harrison Ford's a little bit too old to
(16:12):
be in an action movie. He's still working his ass off. No,
you know, I love Harrison Ford. But Crystal Skull was
all right. I think it'll maybe age well time, but
it was. It doesn't live up to the original three.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I'll tell you what aged well is Wly Yeah, Wally's great.
Speaker 9 (16:28):
The story behind Wally is excellent. That's that's a good
one of those kids movies.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Really good.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, except it's a it's a terrible look at what
I think ultimately will become, which is.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, dystopian sort of.
Speaker 9 (16:41):
Ye can't don't know what to do with our trash,
you know.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So we they they're just people just stare at their
screens all day. Yeah, poor people stared at their screens
all day.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
I think Idiocracy the movie came out a year before that,
and then Wally It's two. Those two movies are kind
of maybe a glance in the future.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
H But yeah, first, what about the music, Jase do.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Well. Something that happened in the NFL season I thought
was interesting. The Steelers won the Super Bowl in the
two thousand and eight season. Dan could give us all
the specifics on that. I want to say that was
a Ben Roethlisberger quarterbacked team. I remember maybe what Jerome
Bettis was on that team. No, no, he had gone correct,
(17:29):
so it was probably it was probably fast Willie Parker.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
I think it may have been Richard Mendenhall. To be
honest with you, I'm gonna go fast Willie Parker. Okay,
I know Willie Parker was super Bowl forty but this
is Super Bowl forty three when they beat Arizona.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Oh wow, okay, I could be wrong. And then Peyton
Manning was the MVP. Peyton Manning won the MVP, and
I remember they did a feature on him on the
NFL network and he was wearing iPod ear plugs, ear
hearing aids. What do you call those hearing pods? And
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they're like, what kind of music are you listening to
right now? And he's like, I'll play it for you.
And it sounded like this.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Low low, low, low lowers. And it was Willie Parker
leading the Steelers in rushing in Super Bowl forty three
nineteen carries fifty three yards mend and all played in
Super Bowl forty five against the Packers two years later.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Hey go, I'm really right. I'm really right in a
battle against Dan and improvisation. This was Low by Florida.
It topped the charts for seventeen weeks of the two
thousand and eight year, featuring T Pain. T Pain, I
don't think had a great career after.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
This, but a lot of pain, yeah too.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
More pain than success for T Pain. Second on the
charts that year was this song.
Speaker 8 (19:11):
Never liked this song you do, I said, I have
never liked this song.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Oh so the opposite of liking it, you didn't like it.
Kind of about one hit wonder wasn't Lewis was a
Simon creation, right, Like she came over from like the
British American Idol did. This one song, Leona Lewis Bleeding Love,
(19:37):
Never Heard of Her was played over and over again
in two thousand and eight. That's what I remember. I
do remember.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
This is a we're kind of bearing the lead of
what two thousand and eight was though, right.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Are we?
Speaker 8 (19:50):
Mario Chalmers beating with the game tying three and then
Kansas beating Memphis in the final?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
The financial collapse is that you're winning.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Financial collapse happened in two thousand and eight, but that
was also an election year, so I remember. I just
remember Obama was the one that bailed out all the banks,
so he was in office January two thousand and nine.
But yeah, the housing crisis was happening, and I think
the crash happened in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yep, it did.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Layman Brothers when bankrupt, that was kind of what started
the collapse. If you will, yes, I just remember, like
you know when you go home. I remember like my
twentieth Anna verse, my twentieth reunion for my for my
high school right, or maybe it's tenth tenth reunion, right,
was like, yeah, two thousand and five was my tenth three.
(20:41):
I remember going back to California and it was like
your tenth reunion, and how many of those people who
they had gone from, Like they went to school, so
they went to went to community college, right, usually like
occ or Rancho, Santiago or whatever, Golden West where I
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went for a year. Then they went to maybe Fullerton
with Jay stew or Long Beach State. Then they got
out and they went through the different sales seats. Like
first they were selling phone cards as a matter of
phone cards, and then by the time you get to
like two.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Thousand and five, like what do you do?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Like what are you doing that You're driving a crazy
nice car, Like I remember pull up to House of
Blues That's where my test in high school reunion was,
and like I had a rental car and all these
dudes that were not they were good guys, but they
weren't like super high achievers. They weren't getting into finance,
they weren't lawyers, they weren't doctors, and they had you know,
(21:44):
at as soon as they got out of college, went
from you know, sometimes beer distributorship sales, to med sales,
to phone card sales to they were all selling mortgages.
And you're like, what do I not know about mortgages?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Why is?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Why are these guys is just rolling it?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And then you find out about all the mortgage stuff
that people were doing where you don't even have to
have income and you were getting granted mortgages for houses
in the Inland Empire.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
You're like, what, like, yeah, well that that tracks?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Is that what?
Speaker 9 (22:16):
I remember the names Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
That's something to do with mortgages.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, Fannie Mae and Freddy mack are government programs.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Yes, I remember the name. Chase Sutley Jimmy Rollins. Phillies
won the World Series against the Rays in two thousand
and eight.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
They had that weird one of the games, so it
had to be split up because it was raining so hard.
They had to finish it the next day. My sister
was actually at that game, well so.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Was I Iowa Sam, and that it was close to
the details they called the game and then they couldn't
play it the next day, so they had to play
it the day after and resume it in the sixth inning.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It was raining so hard? How hard?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Was it raining?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
So hard?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
We didn't even talk college football, did we?
Speaker 8 (22:58):
Florida, Tim Tebow and the Gatas.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Oh, that's it, just Tim Tebow. He was no big deal.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I mean they had some dudes there too.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
Second National Championship did did?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Have you ever seen that roster chase two?
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I'm sure it was great. But Tim Tebow is like
the one of the greatest sensations to ever come around
in sports talk radio. I remember that Tibo flex.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, Tim Tebow was incredible. Remember that was Cam Newton
got kicked off that team, right, he was a freshman,
got kicked off right.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
Bete Oklahoma in the National championship game.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
That yeah, January we had a squad and that is
don't call it throw back Thursday.
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A good hour for you.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
There are times in which, uh, we let people in
on why our organizations are what they are, right, why
organizations are what they are?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
And I'll give you an example in TV.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I know of one of the networks that once upon
a time was roasted by SNL A Night Live, and
shortly after that they made the decision to part ways
with a couple of their talented people because by MIAs
the the people who run that network are New Yorkers
and they don't like being made fun of. Like their
(25:06):
whole thing is, let's just make everybody's happy and that's
all that matters. And when they make fun of us,
I mean they're not happy. And let's find people that
make people happy, and it lets you in on their organization,
their organization. If you're going to fire somebody because they
were made fun of by Saturday Night Live, in many ways,
you should hold on to people that are made fun
(25:27):
of by sending that live because that's bringing attention to
what you're doing get them to improve.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
But that lets you in on that organization.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Aaron Rodgers let us in on the dysfunction within the
Jets organization when he paid his own ticket, which, again,
if you're you're worth the hundreds of millions of dollars,
paying your own tickets, not a big deal.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
But when you're trying, when you're still under when you're still.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Under contract technically, or then they own your rights with
the New York Jets, not that big a deal to hey,
we're going to buy you first class fly across country.
But he said earlier today he flies back starts to
talk football, and they're just like, hey, we're going to
go in a different directions, Like why don't you just
call me? It lets you in on who the Jets are.
(26:18):
Andrew Berry is the GM of the Cleveland Browns, right.
This is the same organization that traded forward Deshaun Watson
despite all the off the field baggage, and the on
the field was almost as bad as the off the field.
Here's Andrew Berry when he's asked about Travis Hunter wanting
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to play both ways.
Speaker 11 (26:40):
It's a little bit like Otani right where you know
when he's playing one side, he's he's an outstanding players.
If he's a pitcher, he's a hitter, he's an outstanding player.
You obviously get a unicorn if you use them.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Both ways, he's a unicorn. If you no, he's not,
he's not shoheo tani. Right, he's not show heyo tani.
Please don't do that. Please please, please don't do that.
(27:11):
Please don't do that. Right, Andrew Berry calling him a
unicorn is it's Cleveland, and I get it. Like it's
before the draft. You don't want to say anything negative
even if you pass on him. The last thing you
want is Travis Hunter if you pass on him to
(27:33):
every time he sees the Browns to light him up
and point to you up in the box.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Whatever. But let's just not make a show heyo tani comparison.
So you have one team.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Who has had spots of success, but for the most part,
for the most part, the Cleveland have been one of
the laughing stocks of the NFL since they came back
into existence. Right like in that division, the Ravens and
(28:13):
the Steelers dominate. The Bengals had that five consecutive years
of the playoffs. They went to the Super Bowl, a
couple years ago. And then there's Cleveland that has been
good at times but for the most part kind of
a joke. Their general managers like, hey, of course he
can play both ways. He's show Hey o Tani, here's
(28:33):
John Harball, head coach of the team that dominates that division.
Speaker 12 (28:36):
It's gonna be interesting to see how they do it
wherever he goes. But to say that you're going to
be completely immersed in everything that there is a known
offense and everything there is a known defense. I don't
know if there's enough hours in the day for a
player to be able to do that and to have
every detailed lockdown, but you certainly can do it. I
would think on one side of the ball and then
have some sort of a package on the other side
(28:57):
of the ball, Which is my guess is how the
team will do it wherever he goes.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah,
you have one coach who keeps winning saying like, look,
it's too hard to do both, you know, both sides
of the ball. Maybe a little package on offense. You
have a GM of a team that's at the bottom
of the vision going like, yeah, hey, whatever. Dana Jeremiah
joins us next week. At this time, he'll be on
(29:23):
set at lambeau Field getting ready for the NFL Draft coverage,
which of course you can see on the NFL Network.
He's the lead analyst I think joins us now on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. If you were advising a team
drafting Travis Hunter, how would you approach the he wants
to play both sides of the ball conversation?
Speaker 10 (29:43):
Well, I would approach you by saying, we're going to
major and minor and we're going to start. You know,
to me, I think he's better on offense. I think
the Browns feel the same way, and I think that's
what he's gonna end up doing. He's gonna end up
as a full time player on offense, and I think
I wouldn't be surprised if you know, it was a
bit end of the year before you started seeing him
(30:03):
being sprinkled in on defense and finding some packages. It's
never been done before. We've always had guys who are
full time on defense. You'd easier to go full time
on defense and get a package of plays on offense.
You don't have to necessarily be in the offensive meeting rooms.
You kind of know what you're doing. There's no side
adjusts or anything like that. These are the plays as
they're called. You have your your package of five to
(30:25):
ten plays every week that you know you're running and
you know what you're doing. Doesn't take a lot of
meeting time. I do agree with the sense that to
be a full time player on both sides the balls,
that would be just from a meeting time standpoint, that
would be extremely tough. But I like him better on offense.
I think he's more impactful on offense, and I think
you find some opportunities, you know, third downs and your
(30:47):
din package, whatever you want to do, but you find
some opportunities to get him in on defense, and it's
it's pretty simplified for him. So that would be the
way I would go. I think that's the I think
that's the right way to operate with him. But I
know in talking to teams, they all see it, you know,
their own way, depending on who they have and what
they need.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Dan and Jeremiah joins us in the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so are we resigned to
knowing who's going Number one?
Speaker 10 (31:13):
I feel like I know who's going one and two.
It just feels like a fate of complete at this
point in time that cam Ward is going to Tennessee
and Travis Hunter is going to Cleveland, and it starts
with the New York Giants at number three.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
If you know that again right now, you're supposing you're
more than educated guessing. But if you know that beforehand,
will you do the surprise thing? If you already kind
of know.
Speaker 10 (31:38):
Beforehand, explain it to me again, Doug, I lost my mind.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Well, okay.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
My point is you're up there on set, Yeah, and
everybody's pretending like they don't know, and then all of
a sudden they like it's the first pick the twenty
twenty five NFL Draft Tennessee.
Speaker 10 (31:56):
Huh, and they'll act like it's a shock. No, I'm
always I always feel like you're best off being straight
up and honest, and it makes it more genuine and
in the moments which are going to happen, where hey,
before the pick, this is the you know the Giants
are you know the Giants say that they're on the
clock and the number three look, I think they could
look at a quarterback here. But everything that that you're hearing,
(32:19):
and the expectation is they're not going to go quarterback,
They're going to go abdual Carter, and maybe they come
back up for a quarterback after that. All of a sudden,
the pick comes in and it's a quarterback, and it's
like a genuine, you know, shock, and that leads to
some great moments. I think when you have your your
leanings and you try and keep that to yourself before
the pick and you fake shock, I think that that's
pretty transparent. I don't think it's great. I don't think
(32:40):
it's great in terms of communication, and I'm sure it's
that isn't good TV.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
No, not not so much, not so much so that I
got leave shore here a Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Let's get to pick three. You said, the draft starts
for the Giants. What do they do.
Speaker 10 (32:54):
I think they'll take Abdul Carter, you know. I just
I think there's these you know, this draft, to me,
there's about six or seven guys who separate, and amongst
those six or seven, I think there's two that are
above those guys, you know, and that's right there at
the top with Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter. And I
think if through the Giants. You just you're happy to
take whichever one of those guys is there. I don't
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love where they are at the quarterback position, with with Jamison,
with Russell Wilson, but they can line up and play.
They need to win as many games as they possibly
can next year to try and survive and keep their jobs.
And I don't necessarily think taking you know, a quarterback
with that first pick helps them win more games next year.
It might in the long run, that's going to be
somebody else's, you know, somebody else's benefit and not yours.
(33:37):
So I want that first pick to help me try
and win some ball games. I think either one of
those two guys at the top does that. And then
however aggressive you want to get, you know, taking a
flyer on a quarterback with your next pick, I say,
go for it.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, Shadoor Sanders,
where's he go?
Speaker 10 (33:57):
I think the Aaron Rodgers thing, it's significant because that
that was one of the you know, that was one
of the seats. And there's there's really Cleveland, there's the Giants,
there's the Saints, and then we were assuming that Pittsburgh
was going to be filled by Aaron Rodgers now, and
maybe he comes out tomorrow and signs with Pittsburgh based
off what I saw today in his comments, that felt
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a lot like somebody who's leaning towards retiring more so
than someone who's leaning towards playing. But that I don't
see Pittsburgh, you know, running in the next year with
just Mason Rudolph. I just can't see that happening. So
that makes them more of a quarterback team. I think
Shoudor Sanders comes into play with them, and you know,
I don't know if they're worried about the Saints. I
(34:38):
don't have I would told you I don't think the
Saints are taking a quarterback. But then all of a
sudden you get the Derek Carr information and it's like, well,
we don't know. So I think the good news is
if you're should do or this new thing with Aaron Rodgers,
Pittsburgh's in the mix. You've got New Orleans as a possibility,
and then you have the Cleveland Giants trade backup scenario.
(34:58):
So he's got he's got quite a few options here
for where he could go.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, coming to
you from the ti rak dot com studios. What do
you think is going to be the biggest surprise on
Draft Night?
Speaker 10 (35:16):
You know, I don't. This is what I've been looking
at and I can one hundred percent see this happening.
So I don't think it'll be a surprise to me.
But maybe just because of where we assumed everything was
going in this draft, I think Ashton Genty could go
five to the to the Jacksonville Jags. I do. I
think the Jaguars could take him. He's the first pick
of a new regime there. It's somewhere that helps out
(35:39):
your quarterback who you need to play better. You can
talk about having a nice trio to compliment each other,
to build around. When you look at what they got
with Brian Thomas Junior last year and now you put
Ashton Genty back there next to Trevor Lawrence. That gives
lean Colm was an offensive guy and coming from Tampa
where they really like to run the football and be physical,
that kind of gives them a little bit of an identity.
(36:00):
And they've talked so much. When you listen to these
press conferences, Doug like I used to say, you know, look,
these guys are all going to keep it close to
the best. You're not going to learn anything I've learned
over the last few years. Some of these guys are
not good poker players. And if you just kind of
listen to what they're saying and how they're saying it,
and you keep hearing you know, work ethic in character
and building the culture and all that stuff, and I
(36:23):
know how off the charts elite ash and gent is
and all that stuff, and I'm like, gosh, this kind
of feels like this could be the Jags pick.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
The Jags would be that would be amazing, That would
be interesting. When you're sitting up there and you're what
is it like? What is it like?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I've done the NBA Draft on radio, never done it
on TV.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Obviously, I've done the Final Four on TV.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
But when things are happening, you know, the trades are happening,
discussions are happening, and you're trying to answer the questions
that Eisen asks you, what's the process actually like when
you're up on that stage.
Speaker 10 (37:01):
Well, I'm very thankful for experience because it's a totally different,
you know, process now than when I first started with it.
I When I first started, I thought, Okay, it's important
to have all the information, like I got to have
the information. I gotta have the information on the players,
and then I got to have the information on the
teams so that whatever happens, you can talk on them.
What I didn't realize was having the information is one thing.
(37:24):
Having quick access to that information is another. And that's
where you know you think about calling a game off
of a off of a chart Doug I created. I
create a chart that's just it's one side is the NFC,
the other side of the AFC. And I have all
the teams in the little box in there with all
the information I have about them, areas that you know
needs that they have, the picks that they have in
(37:45):
this draft, the players they added in free agency, the
players they lost in free agency. So my first year
I had a packet of information and it's like all
of a sudden, Bam, Atlanta is on the clock when
I'm trying to fumble through a stack of papers, like
you can't. You can't do that. You got to have
your information accessible. And then I keep all of my
player notes in an Excel sheet on my computer that
(38:06):
I have on the desk, and so I can I
have that sorted by how I ranked them. I have
it sorted by position, I have it sorted by school,
I have it sorted by name. So anytime I get
asked about and say, hey, who are the top corners
that could go right now, bam, I've got it all
right in front of me. So that's that's made it
a lot less stressful those first couple of years trying
to stay organized with the information was a was a
(38:28):
learning process.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Have you.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Have you changed in any way.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
In regards to positivity and negativity because people bring back,
you know, analysis that goes wrong on the internet.
Speaker 10 (38:50):
The approach I've always tried to take is not think
of it in that way. I like to think of
it as Okay, this player just got picked, and instead
of me just saying I hate this player, I love
this player. I've tried to take the approach of this
is why they took this player, and this is what
they're hoping he's going to be. Now to me, I
(39:11):
like this other option I think makes more sense. But
I'm going to try and give you the explanation of
why they just did what they did and what they're
hoping this player is going to be based off what
they've seen. So that's the approach that I've taken. I
have not been you know, this is the dumbest thing
I've ever seen. This is the best thing I've ever seen.
I've more tried to explains this is what this guy
(39:32):
does really well, this is what they need, and this
is what they're hoping. He's going to be based off
of those factors. So, you know, I don't know. I
don't know if I've been clipped off before. I'm sure
you know there's stuff out there. I don't really try
to pay attention to that. But I also am very
I'm very cognitant Doug that I need to give an
honest opinion of what I think of the player. But
I also I have there's part of me as a
(39:54):
human being, has to realize this is the biggest moment
in this kid's life, and I sure as I don't
want to take a dump on national television in that moment.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, I mean, I get it on some levels, though
you got to read between the lines and what somebody
what somebody is saying. There are times in which, though
you know that when you talk about red flags and baggage,
you know like it's not good, but you just can't
tell people that it's not good.
Speaker 8 (40:18):
Right, let me give you an example.
Speaker 10 (40:20):
Let me give you an example, because this is like
the Cleveland Pharaoh went four to the to the Raiders, right,
So that's my He was in like my nineteenth twentieth
player or something that a lot of guys over him.
He went shocked when they took him. Sure, but so
they come to you, what do you think? And I
started out, Look, this guy is my nineteenth player, so
(40:40):
I know it's a surprising. But what I'm guessing here
is with John Gruden and Mike Mayock, they wanted they
put a high emphasis on character, and they wanted someone
in there to come in that they felt like represented
the right things, and they were okay with taking somebody
higher than maybe some more talented players elsewhere. So that's
I'm trying to give you the rationale why I think
they did what they did, while also mentioning that, look,
(41:01):
that's that's a little higher than I had the guy.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, that's fair. Are you gonna make it t our
event on Tuesday? That's the big question. That's actually the
only reason we have.
Speaker 10 (41:11):
Yeah, I know, I think I've got a good shot.
I'm again, I'm going to be there for a good time,
not a long time, but I think I've got a
way to pull it off to at least have a
drive by there, you know, twenty thirty minutes to see
my guy.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
We are we coffee this week? What is your what
is your morning routine?
Speaker 1 (41:27):
You have need to work out in the morning, Like,
what is your How can I find a window to
hang out with my boy DJ in green bag?
Speaker 10 (41:33):
Yeah, I'm coffee in the morning is usually gonna be
the best bet. And I'm a coffee before workout guy.
So yeah, but I'm a you know, I think we
talked about can we go around somewhere. I'm honest, Doug, Like,
I'm a I'm a coffee downstairs guy. It's a it's
a I.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Know you're staying. I know you're staying.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
There's good coffee downstairs. Hey, I know you're staying or done,
it's it's good coffee downstairs.
Speaker 10 (41:57):
And then I can and then we can just talk
about you know how worried JU is about the fact
that we can just.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Talk about Jay Stu.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
And what what I'll do is we'll just I'll give
you all the stuff to needle him on every time
you're on just all the different there's things that trigger
j STU. It's not that hard, but but you can
trigger him and he completely loses his mind.
Speaker 10 (42:17):
No, no question. And look, you know, hey, a billion
dollars for a third place team. I mean that's money
well spent.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Right, totally, absolutely, I see that too, see that too.
He's Daniel Jeremiah.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
He's the lead analyst for the NFL Networks coverage of
next week's NFL Draft.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
He'll be in Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Uh I will stop buy and see him and buy
him a large coffee because he'll need it with all
the work he's got to do.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
DJ safe travels. We'll see you when you get in town.
Speaker 10 (42:40):
See you, buddy, all
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Right, that's my guy, my guy, Danji
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