April 30, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug talks about game five of the first round series between the Bucks and Pacers and explains why it is ok to say that the Bucks choked. Former NBA Player Olden Polynice joins the show to talk about Haliburton, the Lakers and all of the other headlines around the NBA. Plus, Dan takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?"
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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I said, Sonny, Yeah, there you go, Green Bay, Wisconsin. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
In what a night last night in the NBA. You're
like really like, yeah, I mean, there's some craziness, but
there's an expression that I'm gonna credit.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I think I'm gonna credit Vincelambardi with somebody can look
it up. It's more games are lost than one. And
that's what we say last night the the Milwaukee Bucks
without Damian Lillard, and they're I mean, look, they're just
trying to find a way, okay, trying to find a
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way to win a game. They're up seven points with
forty seconds to go, and they have an elite free
throw shooter at the line. You know, let's say they
elite free throw shooter at the line. So they're actually
up six points with a one plus one. Right, one
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plus one is two shots. I know the NBA likes
to make it seem like it's like it's a one
plus one. It's it's two shots. Now, keep in mind,
no Damian Lillard, so you don't have your starting point guard.
But to have the ball and be up, excuse me
up or be at the free throw line up six
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two shot foul, and you have Aj Green at the line,
you feel really good about your chances, really good. AJ
Green is an eighty one and a half percent free
throw shooter as well as an elite three point shooter,
and I think he had taken twelve threes in the game,
so it's not like it's the first time that he
shot the basketball. He makes one makes the first one,
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miss the second one. He missed the second one badly,
And like, wait, aren't all misses the same? No, if
you missed to the left, and for an elite shooter
to miss left, ooh, that's a Frankly, that's probably a joke. Right,
an eighty one and a half percent free throw shooter
usually when they miss, it's felt like it should go
in that one didn't. So it's a seven point game
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and the Pacers come up the court and step into
a logo three, step into a logo three. Now we'll
talk about the idea of analytics and when you foul
and what you do, but when you're up seven with
thirty five seconds to go, the only way you lose
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those games is two things. One giving up three point shots. Actually,
there's three ways you give up three points in a
possession in any way, and ones and threes. And secondly,
you can't turn the basketball over. And it was all
three of those deals. Here's Doc Rivers on the late turnovers.
Just those final two turnovers.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
What do you see on both those plays?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Just bad turnovers. Obviously I thought we put them in
the right place, got the ball in bounds. Yeah, I mean,
we just turned the ball over. So it's not a
lot to be said. Having said that, that two of
them was the guy that saved us, So I gt
was freaking amazing tonight for us. But I thought the
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turnovers obviously were huge, and the two other three were
were really unforced.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, I mean, it's just it was that was as
bad as anything I've ever seen. So the first thing
is you give up a kind of a walk in
step into it. Logo three. It's a deep, deep shot.
It's a deep shot. But you can't give up open threes.
You have to have to have to be run guys
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off the line, make them make twos in traffic, okay,
and do not foul. They didn't. The Bucks make a three, okay,
Now it's a that's a four point game. You could
actually foul despite the fact you're up seven points. Because
you foul, it limits them the most they can score.
If you're a good rebounding team, the most you can
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score is two. And then you get fouled. You go
to the you get a line, you make, even if
you make one out of two, still a two possession,
two to three pointers game. You can foul again and
again and again. That's one way to win the game.
But instead they barely guard an open Logo three, and
it becomes a four point game. The Bucks then struggle
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to get the ball in bounds, which is weird. You
should have full court inbound plays. They call time out.
They advanced the ball to mid court. That's when they
get into Gary Trent and he's wide open, has a layup.
Instead holds the ball and does what I call turtling,
which is he kind of crouch over the ball and
then tries to throw the ball back to the inbounder,
turns the basketball over instead of being aggressive, dribbling it
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out of it, making them voulu you. Gary Trenton Junior
is an elite elead shooter. He's an eighty five percent
free throw shooter, and yet he was getting rid of
the ball like he was a fifty five percent free
throw shooter. Then Tyrese Haliburton drives in, and aj Green,
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who's not a great defender but gets called gets called
for an and one, and now it's a one point game,
and again they call time out. They throw it in
and Gary trent Junior drive the ball out of bounds
and Giannis gives up a straight line drive for a layup.
My look, we lost games in really difficult fashion this year,
you know, and anyone who's coached or anyone who's played,
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you see pieces of Yeah, Oakland eighteen seconds to go
up five, last game of the year at home. We
made aggressive mistakes, but mistakes right forced an air ball.
They throw it out, hit a three, they press us,
we go long. Freshman goes in to dunk it, which
I liked him doing. I wish he just would go
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into dunk but make the layup. He makes one on
of two free throws. We foul up three, but we're
a terrible rebounding team, and we don't box out. We
get pushed around. They make the first miss, the second
lay the ball in, and we don't score. And then
in overtime we screwed some things up. We end up
losing by two or four. But considering who you have
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in your team, the magnitude of the game, how well
the Bucks played, how how good a free throw shooters
most of their team is, and the way in which
they lost that game, that game was lost, not one
lost by the Milwaukee Bucks. But I'm also not really
and we'll talk about this in the podcast Chase Duo.
(07:17):
People are reluctant to use the sea word. By seaword,
I mean choke. Why is that?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
I don't know. I need to explain to me. There
was a time on a show that I used to
work on where it seemed like, at least like once
a week we'd call an athlete a choker. And now
it's like people dance around it. They use like qualifying
language and they're all sensitive about it. I don't know,
maybe the country has softened a little.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Bit, Sam, Are you offended when you hear the choke word? No?
Speaker 6 (07:46):
No, I think I'm still part of the sports generation
that heart it regularly. And sometimes that's what it is.
I mean, you know, there's sometimes you're quitting and then
when you choke though, you're like trying to win the game,
but it just all goes to pieces and falls apart
and it's yours.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Here's Charles Barkley sending up the highlights afterwards.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Look at this Milwaukee was one a team one eleven
with forty seconds to go.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
Gary Trentz had a huge game, but he's turned it
over twice in the closing seconds.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
And look at Tyrese Halliburton down one. Come on man,
now one.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I don't like using the.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Word too, but out with the two, Dad, come on man, Yeah,
it was a choke. It was it was a choking.
It was a bad one. I don't know how you
get over that, Like a series, a season coming to
an end on those plays, I don't that one. Those
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ones hurt and considering it very well could be the
last of Janie and Jannie gets beat on the game
winning drive. And also Jannis is such a poor free
throw shooter that you're not going to throw the ball
to him late, right where most all of the greatest
NBA players we can think of, they demand that basketball
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late and they try and get a and they hit
the free throws late. That's the differenceteing Jordan and Bird.
You know, Lebron did make I think the game winning
free throws in Game seven against against the Warriors, but
he's been a little bit of a sketch free throw shooter,
nothing to the level of Giannis. Put an awful way
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to end your season, and what a great way for
the Pacers to find a way to win. But that
one was hard to watch. Dan Byer, give me your thoughts.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
I was wondering when you get to me, boy.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well you're not on screen, and so I was.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
I have been, But that's okay, are you.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
No your anchor studio is not on screen?
Speaker 7 (09:51):
Oh well I was. It's okay, It's all good. I
was waiting waiting for the host to h to arrive.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
No, my thing, my thing, my screen. Just you know
we're on are you Tube channel? So you can you
can check it out. My thing was because I hadn't
there you go because your screen wasn't on. I thought
that was the telltale sign of Dan is busy. Right now,
don't go to Dan.
Speaker 7 (10:11):
Well, First of all, it starts with the twenty point
lead in the first quarter, so you've eliminated that. Then
you're able to stave off this Pacers comeback that has
them take the lead, and you actually have a chance
at the end of regulation to win it. But for
some reason, Yannis feels that a fadeaway baseline jumper from
nineteen feet is the best option to try to try
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to win that basketball game. That's to me like where
it started, with everything built up from act. They were
up thirty three to thirteen in the first quarter, like
it was. Things were going great, and then it slowly
dies away and I felt that they had every reason
to lose in overtime, and then Gary Trent plays out
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of his mind and the entire the entire breakdown them.
I want to harp dug on them not having a
timeout with a second left, because they're even the inbounds
passed that Jannis threw to Gary Trent, it's like a
seventy five footer, like you don't even chuck it down
court to try to.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Why why did that portus was all the way down
the court throw it to port it?
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Yeah, I don't I don't understand. But they had to
use their final timeout because they couldn't inbound it when
they couldn't inbound it at half court anyway, you know,
like it was, that was like the frustrating thing about it.
And you're right, like with the situation on when it
was how things laid out, seven point lead, You're like, Okay,
there's really only one way that they could lose this game,
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couple of threes, even like if the Bucks make their
free throws in a situation, You're like, Okay, there could
be an outside chance maybe Indiana could, But just the
lack of defense on the Haliburton two drives or the
thirty three footers, I mean they the thirty three footer
that I think Memhart hit. This has been a theme
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throughout the series. They just they weren't defending the three
point shot. And to your point of not using the
correct strategy and not fouling or just not guarding in
that situation, like a two in that situation up seven
isn't going to necessarily kill you three keeps them alive,
three point play, the whole deal, Every single piece of
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it was awful. And the worst part about it, Doug
is I think as Bucks fans were watching that, we
kind of know what the future is that you've talked about.
We talked about it yesterday, but last night was that
possibility of, you know what, they were pretty good down
the stretch when Damian Lillard wasn't there. Maybe you go
back to Milwaukee, win that game, and you have a
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Game seven and who knows what could happen. It had
you at least believing again, and they weren't We're going
to win the NBA title, but they sucked you in
only to rip your heart out as it's just about
to fall. Like I was waving the white flag before
the game. I thought they were probably gonna lose Game five,
and they ultimately did. Just never ever thought it would
be in that fashion.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
That fashion was incredible. Those ones are hard, and what's
crazy about it is, you know, we're gonna look back
and look at these series, you know, ten years from now,
I'm like, oh, well it was you know, wasn't crazy competitive?
It was four games to one, But the reality is
that was a game they had won several times over
you know, several times, yes, and and there was two
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others that they lost that they very easily could have
won as well. So you know, I get that. At
the end of the day, we go it's the old
Bill parcels. You are what your record says you are,
but that record is not telling of how competitive that
series is was. And and then you factor in Lillard
probably out for at least a year. What that does
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to Jannie, How that goes forward? What do you do
with Giannis, you know, moving forward? What do you do
with the with the coach moving forward? Like all of
these things are now massive questions that would have still
been questions in the offseason, But I think you would
have had a better overall feeling. If the team wins
last night, maybe they win, you know, they win at
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home force a game seven, and now if you lose,
you're like, hey, they're still fighting for Doc, They're still
very cohesive, They're not that far away. They figure out
the lither thing. Now it's like now you got to
blow it up.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
Yeah it is. And it's crazy to see what the
Pacers have done to them, you know, Giannis mentioning that
he's won a championship like this. This that goes back
to playing tournament last year like this is where this.
I mean they're in the same division, so they play often.
But first round series last year they played this year,
play in tournament the year before. For some reason, the
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Pacers are just in their heads a little bit like
Miami was in knocking them out. But why are you
that mentally weak to allow a team like that to
get in your head? That's my problem. I got a
lot of problems, but that's one of the problems.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
You got nine to nine problems and the bucks are won.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
There you go, certainly accurate.
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Speaker 1 (16:01):
Unbelievable, right, this one is over. What that's a crazy game.
And and I'm not if you're a Pacer fan, you're like, well,
we didn't win the game like you did. But McGary
Trench just turning the ball over, then just dropping the basketball.
I mean, I mean AJ Green missing a free throw.
These three things that's what lost the game. Two great
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drives by Haliburton. I thought a complete fanom fantom foult buyer.
Did you think that was in any way a foul
on Green on the end one?
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Oh? And I felt that the whistle was late as well.
It was completely I felt buying into the momentum.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, that was awful. Was did they have the last
two minute report on that? Because that that one was cool.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
I have not seen anything that was.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
That one was crazy. And then you had the weirdness
after the game. Okay, the weirdness after the game. John
Haliburton's the dad of Tyrese Haliburton. Tyre's Haliburton's from Milwaukee originally,
by the way, and he was on the court and
then he, you know, is talking ish to Jannis and
holding up his son's jersey and saying whatever, and they
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go like nos, nos, chest to chest. And today he
releases this statement, I see sincerely apologize to Yannis, the
Mocky Bucks, the Pacers organization for my actions following tonight's game.
This was not a good reflection of on our sport
or my son, and I will not make my mistake again.
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Here's Janis addressing the confrontation he had with Tarres Alburn's dad.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
I believe like being humbled in victory. That's how I am. Now,
this can be a lot of people out there that
are like, no, when you when you win the game,
it's it's a green light for you to be disrespectful
towards somebody else. I disagree. I've won the championship. They
have it, okay, and that doesn't say anything. I'm not
trying to minimize their effort, but losing the game, emotions
(17:58):
run high, having f fan which at the moment I
thought it was fine, but then I realized it was
Titi's son, which I love Titus, I think is a
great competitor. He was his dad, sorry, coming in the
floor and showing me his son, not towel with his face.
This is what we do, This is what we do.
This if we do this, I feel like that's very,
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very disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Do you think I admire Yanni's I think the exact
same thing, the exact same thing. When with class lose
with class, the Pacers appeared to be completely classless. You know,
it's the old act, like you've been there before. They
hadn't actually been there before. That was just such a weird,
off putting moment. But I get me wrong. I mean,
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usually what happens is two teams win. With team that
wins the hard fought, really competitive series, and no matter
how much they dislike each other, when the series is
over them, they shake hands. They they tap up the
best player, like I Giannis pulls Tyre's Burton's side and
says something cheesy like keep it going, man, keep winning man, right,
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And then and then after the game they like Tyrese,
what did Yanna say? And then he'll go like, keep
that to ourselves, keep that private. That's that's how it
always works. But the Pacers look like clowns. Clowns. Congrats
you beat the Bucks. The Bucks had to spin up
all over themselves and they lost Damian Lillard in order
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for you to beat them in a series. Great, but
you look like clowns. That's my opinion. Olden Polonies has
actually played in one NBA playoff series. You know NBA analysts,
He played fifteen years in the NBA. Oh, Pete, thanks
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so much for joining us. Look, we lost a lot
of games this year in Division One. I can tell
you two or three that we absolutely choked, just choked,
but a choke of that magnitude where you have Gary Trent,
who played well, having too late turnovers, Glunn just dropping
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the ball out of bounds. Crazy when you're watching that game,
what's going on in your mind?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Well? I had visions of Bill Buckner, That's what I
had of It went right through his legs and I
was like, wait a minute, and this moment, you really
taking your eyes off the ball. I don't care where
the defender is in that moment. You know, the first
lesson we always learned is catch the ball, and so
to me it goes again to show, you know, teams
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take on the personalities of their coaches, and Doc Rivers
is synonymous with choke choke jobs, and so I'm not
really surprised at all, you know. I mean, Rasie Miller
was conjured up you know, nine points in how many seconds,
and it all came to be because Milwaukee just didn't
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do what they were supposed to do. And I think
it was just it's almost feel like they're like, hey,
you know what, we're not gonna win this series. Let's
just end it. It almost seemed that way to me, Doug,
like they were like, how can we how many ways
can we find to lose this game?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Right now? Uh? Well, that was a new and inventive
way of losing. If you're the Bucks, what do you
do now? Lillard out most likely half to three quarters
of the year, maybe the entire year. Giannis has two
years left. But it was a team built to win
now and it doesn't look like they're close to winning. Now.
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What do you do if you're running the Bucks?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well, if I'm the Bugs, i gotta take a deep,
deep dive into my team. You know, Yiannis especially, you know, yeah,
they're gonna say all the right things. You know, Giannis
isn't going anywhere, but I think emotionally, I think he spent.
I don't think you know, there's gonna be you know,
a situation where you know, he's like, yeah, I meet
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us winning and I want to stay here. So he's
probably gonna pull one of You know, what every player
is doing now is find gleena pastors, and you know,
unfortunately sometimes there's not guena pastors. You know, Kyle Kuzma,
I thought he was going to be a great addition
to that team. No weight on his shoulders, and he's
still cracked under the pressure. So all these guys, you know,
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it was just a weird Again, That's what I'm saying.
I go back to the coaching aspects of it. The
coaches don't play, but they make the decisions that kind
of like, you know, put you in in situations. You know,
whether it's the starting lineup the minute like JJ Redick
did with the Lakers, you know, playing these guys the
whole second half. You know, an old team should not
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be playing, you know, twenty four whole minutes, you know,
so well, you know, they got to make some change.
They need some long win defenders. Kuzma's not a defender,
you know, he's an opposite Bread, of course, but they
need guys like that, you know, like the like the
guys on the Minnesota Templewolves. They need players like that,
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long wing defenders.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Okay, let's get to the Lakers. Uh, they take on
the Timberwolves. Timberwolves have a chance to end the series.
What's what's your email of how the Lakers have played
in the series.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I said this on one of the shows on our network.
What the one thing I was afraid of with the Lakers,
with Luca and Lebron, is that, you know, you got
two great oufs and when when you know the dude
who hits the fan, they're going to revert back to
national instincts, which is what we've seen, which is Luca
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coming down, jacking up shots, Lebron jacking up chots. And
the thing with Lebron is I gotta get my points
because I need to keep everybody off of me. You know,
if I if I drop thirty five at forty, people
won't say anything about It's that kind oftality. And with
Luca is like that's all he knows, and so it's
a recipe for disaster. You know, you gotta get those
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other guys in five early in the game. Yet I'm
going and then you guys take over the game. But
that hasn't been the case. They're looking out for themselves.
So the Lakers are in a really tough situation because
they ran against again another bus star and a team
that's long athletics have a superstar in the making and
Anthony Edwards. They have defense in Rudy Gobert. And then
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they also got a guy Julius Rando, who used to
be a Laker, so that's playing a role in how
he plays as well. They got a bunch of hungry guys, now, Ptenzo,
those guys are hungry. Plus they hurt the rumor. I
mean not the rumor, they hurt the noise. Oh, the
Lakers are definitely going to the finals. That are no
They're gonna sweep Minnesota. They gonna in five. All that
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stuff was going on in Minnesota was just sitting back,
Wait a minute, we just I skip pizza Denver Nuggets,
and so to me, it was just you know, they
bid off more than they could choose.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, I just I don't think they can guard anybody.
It's weird. Like, I do think they did great with
the Luca trade, but at the time and now it's
played out as such, I don't think they're any closer
to winning a championship this year. I do think it
sustains them for future years as Lebron ages out do
that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Oh yeah, definitely makes sense. And that's the problem. You
know that you're locked into these two guys. Again, we
don't know how long Lebron's gotta played. My personal pions,
I think he's gonna play till about fifty. He's gonna
get so close to that magic number. He's gonna say,
you know what. But I'm like, Lebron, you've done almost
everything that no one's ever done before. You know it's
(25:49):
time to let it go. But if he's gonna keep playing,
they're gonna keep paying him. He's gonna keep going as
long as he can. But I don't think it's conduced
to winning a championship for the Lakers. He got a
forty year old, dude, I don't care. This ain't Lebron's
early Lebron. This is he's still forty years old.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Can you explain the Jamal Murray thing? Like Jamal Murray
last night was unbelievable, Jamal Murray when they won a championship, unbelievable,
Jamal Murray in the bubble, unbelievable Jamal Murray. Outside of
those three things that I mentioned, sort of average? What
explained the Jamal Murray thing? Because I don't understand how
a guy can at times be so spectacular he gets caught.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Up in his injuries. That's the easiest way I can
put it. You know, whenever something bothers him or he
gets hurt. Is like he embraced it so much to
where that's his crutch. You know, He's given us all
these flashes as you mentioned, but it's not really consistent
because Joker's gonna do Joker thing and so that's a given.
(26:50):
And I don't think that's the problem for him. I
just don't believe that he commits to the games all
the time the way he should like he did last
I mean, he plays like that these guys go all
the way to the finals. He plays the way he
did last night consistently that Jimp and Nuggets gives the fun.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I mean, he plays the way he plays last night.
I don't know if anybody beats him, right, because you
got Yo Kitchen and him, I don't know. I don't
know if anybody beats him. The the issue is is
is was and will always be inconsistency. Pistons go in
win a game in New York, right like everybody thought
(27:33):
that was the coronation. Pistons hold off the Knicks. Uh,
Brunson sprint rolls his ankle kind of late, and we're
kind of same old, same old with with New York
Knicks where the bench keeps shrinking and you know, Mitchell
Robinson came in and played well, but at the end
of the day, like if you don't have Brunson, you
don't have offense. And even Brunson has some some limitations,
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doesn't play great last night. What's your overall outlook for
for the Nick in these playoffs?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I see that going seven. But the funny thing about it,
the Detroit Pishons have I'll played the Knicks, Yeah, they
literally have. I played the Knicks. It's been certain moments
whether the Knicks just lack of a better word, just
scored easily. And again that's the growing pains of the
Pistons being a young team. You know, you just got
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to defend better in those moments like the first game,
the twenty one old run. Don't you don't allow that
to happen. I don't care who has to do it,
the coach, the players, somebody's got to come in and say, hey,
let's get a stop here, or let's get a basket here,
run any kind of play that's gonna get something to
stop the bleeding. But they totally have. I played the Knicks,
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and so to me, you know, they're about to go
home right now. They're gonna get Game six at home
because it's d a guy in that moment. All the
Pessons are the Knicks anyway, so they're gonna play care
free and see what happens. But I think that one
goes seven.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Tender. Great. You is anybody beating the Celtics niece like
the Calves who just dominated.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Well, it's gonna be tough, you know, because these guys
we always talk about, you know, you live by the three,
you die by the three. It's weird, but these guys
they flourished by the three. It's weird seeing that because
even they can go oh, for fifteen. They still keep
putting them up. That's a lot of pressive, but they
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play deceness at the other end. So it's just they
built for this. And you know two superstars in Brown
and Tatum. You have another guy in Pazingers who's a
forgotten man, but he's saying he's tough, and of course
you know Prichard. And it's just I like the boss
(29:49):
of Celtics to get to the finals. But Cleveland is
gonna be the issue, so we gotta wait and see.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Olden polonies. Ope, thanks so much for joining us man
play the old days the way. Thanks so much for
being our guests. Yeah, op joining us here on the
Doug Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. I actually think Jason,
the only reason you book him is because you love
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that song.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yeah guilty.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
He's like I love Opie because one like legit friend
and loves hoop and just he we don't agree on everything,
but I just I like his perspective, so I appreciate
having him on. But Dan, I just think that the
truth is that Jason just wants to hear himself sing
this song.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
I think there's something to it when you've been out
Olden and I have done shows in your place, and
we came up with a segment where Olden would be
able to tell us stories or things from back in
the day. And then all of a sudden, one day,
this Bruce Springsteen cover of Glory Days or sample if
you will, lands in our lap, and it's been it's
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been music gold ever since.
Speaker 9 (31:04):
I want to do Glory Story. It's it's kind of
a project of mine. It's kind of a project of mine.
But I think I'm gonna do a theme, a karaoke
theme for all of our regular guests. Eventually, I'm trying
to think one for Daniel Jeremia. I don't know if
I could turn it around in thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Jerem my spooking spooky.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
I thought, Elton John Daniel, you know, isn't it? Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Danielle, my friend, you were smarter than me.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Daniel's talking today Glory Days, Olden Days.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
Did you ever, Jason, did you ever get to you
know at the end where they do the like about
five times noo?
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Jason was waving off his own song a second ago
because it was too it was too overwhelming, it was
suffocating his own voice.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
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Speaker 7 (32:07):
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Ladies and gentlemen, I bring you yes, Doug Gottlieb. Oh jeez,
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Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, they do. I get to do game time. And
then and then I asked you questions you you, how
do you? I don't know. I don't know Spider. I
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Doug gotlip show here on Fox Sports Trading. Let's uh
take your damn bar, gets your game time?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Baby, What do you got about? Doug?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
The game today is for better or worse?
Speaker 5 (32:49):
All right?
Speaker 7 (32:50):
For better or worse? What is better or worse? The
two subjects and topic number one, we're talking collapses, better
or worse? Bucks against the pay or Duke versus Houston
in the Final four. Remember Duke got fourteen in that
game the eight minutes left?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Uh better collapses?
Speaker 7 (33:14):
Have you said it's better or worse? So you could
go with the worst angle, which collapse was worse?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I think the bucks collapse was worse. And here's why.
It's it's professional basketball players, right, It's professional basket players.
There's also basically two shot fouls, right, so you have
outside of Giannis, you had all eighty percent free throw
shooters and they only once Scott fouled and made one
out of two. There's no way you should never turn
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that basketball over. They're gonna call any sort of little foul.
If you just hold on, just chin the ball and
hold on to it, you're gonna get fouled. So I
think it's I think it's way worse what happened with
the Bucks.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
The funny thing with that one, Doug, was I could
have done a variety of games for the NCAA Tournament Arkansas,
Texas Tech Texas Tech Florida had Houston against Florida just
in the end and them not getting a shot off.
And then the NBA playoffs we had Pistons Nicks, you
know from earlier in the series where the Pistons blew
a i think a nine point lead in New York
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and let the Nicks win. So a lot of collapsing
going on. But moving on, Doug, for better or worse.
Speaking of the Pistons, yes, better chance of winning down
three to two in a series, Pistons or Clippers. Who
has a better chance or worst chance of winning their
series down three to two, Pistons or Quick I think.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
The Pistons have a worse chance, if we're honest with ourselves,
because Kawhi Leonard can be the best player in the
world at times. And I think really that's what it
kind of comes down to, Right. Kate Cunningham's amazing, it's
gonna be terrific, but he's never really done it. And
Kawhi has in addition to which you do still have
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James Harden. He's got flaws, He's not perfect. But I
think it's the it's the Kawhi Leonard aspect of it
which makes it worse for the Pistons and better for
the better for the Clippers.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
Fair enough for better or worse. Doug top seed performance, Yeah,
Thunder versus the Calves.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
So far in these playoffs, I mean, I don't know
how you can question the Calves performance. Sure, I mean
they basically fifty pieced the Heat to close out the
series after forty piecing him the night before, Right, It's like, wow,
that was bad. Well, you know, the Heat they'll show
up to make that they'll make a game. Nope, nope, alright,
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that one was over as soon as they threw up
the jump ball.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
For better or worse, Doug random NBA titles three subjects here, Bucks, Nuggets, Raptors.
They all seem pretty random now considering what we've gotten
in recent history. But what was the best or worst
of the.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Three of wait, one more time? Three?
Speaker 7 (36:03):
The random NBA titles that we've got Bucks, Nuggets, Raptors.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
What was the worst?
Speaker 7 (36:11):
Yeah, whichever way you want to go, you say the
Raptors was the what sam Well?
Speaker 6 (36:16):
I think the Raptors was maybe the worst because because
the Warriors are so beat up when they played them, sure,
and it was like Kawhi's you know, how many years
is he in Toronto?
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Two years?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
One year? One year? I mean you could say that
the same thing about the Bucks though, right, because they
didn't face off against the powerhouse in the in the finals,
and you know, I still contend that the Nets hadn't
gotten hurt, they may not advance out of that round.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Still a wacky season, you know, yeah, the Covide.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, I'm going to say the Bucks one's the worst
because because of the twenty twenty one Wacky, Weird, Wacky
Wild COVID season.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
And that's game time.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Game.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
This is game time on The du Gottleaf Show.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
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I said, Sonny, Yeah, there you go, Green Bay, Wisconsin. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
In what a night last night in the NBA. You're
like really like, yeah, I mean, there's some craziness, but
there's an expression that I'm gonna credit.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I think I'm gonna credit Vincelambardi with somebody can look
it up. It's more games are lost than one. And
that's what we say last night the the Milwaukee Bucks
without Damian Lillard, and they're I mean, look, they're just
trying to find a way, okay, trying to find a
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way to win a game. They're up seven points with
forty seconds to go, and they have an elite free
throw shooter at the line. You know, let's say they
elite free throw shooter at the line. So they're actually
up six points with a one plus one. Right, one
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plus one is two shots. I know the NBA likes
to make it seem like it's like it's a one
plus one. It's it's two shots. Now, keep in mind,
no Damian Lillard, so you don't have your starting point guard.
But to have the ball and be up, excuse me
up or be at the free throw line up six
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two shot foul, and you have Aj Green at the line,
you feel really good about your chances, really good. AJ
Green is an eighty one and a half percent free
throw shooter as well as an elite three point shooter,
and I think he had taken twelve threes in the game,
so it's not like it's the first time that he
shot the basketball. He makes one makes the first one,
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miss the second one. He missed the second one badly,
And like, wait, aren't all misses the same? No, if
you missed to the left, and for an elite shooter
to miss left, ooh, that's a Frankly, that's probably a joke. Right,
an eighty one and a half percent free throw shooter
usually when they miss, it's felt like it should go
in that one didn't. So it's a seven point game
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and the Pacers come up the court and step into
a logo three, step into a logo three. Now we'll
talk about the idea of analytics and when you foul
and what you do, but when you're up seven with
thirty five seconds to go, the only way you lose
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those games is two things. One giving up three point shots. Actually,
there's three ways you give up three points in a
possession in any way, and ones and threes. And secondly,
you can't turn the basketball over. And it was all
three of those deals. Here's Doc Rivers on the late turnovers.
Just those final two turnovers.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
What do you see on both those plays?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Just bad turnovers. Obviously I thought we put them in
the right place, got the ball in bounds. Yeah, I mean,
we just turned the ball over. So it's not a
lot to be said. Having said that, that two of
them was the guy that saved us, So I gt
was freaking amazing tonight for us. But I thought the
(03:52):
turnovers obviously were huge, and the two other three were
were really unforced.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, I mean, it's just it was that was as
bad as anything I've ever seen. So the first thing
is you give up a kind of a walk in
step into it. Logo three. It's a deep, deep shot.
It's a deep shot. But you can't give up open threes.
You have to have to have to be run guys
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off the line, make them make twos in traffic, okay,
and do not foul. They didn't. The Bucks make a three, okay,
Now it's a that's a four point game. You could
actually foul despite the fact you're up seven points. Because
you foul, it limits them the most they can score.
If you're a good rebounding team, the most you can
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score is two. And then you get fouled. You go
to the you get a line, you make, even if
you make one out of two, still a two possession,
two to three pointers game. You can foul again and
again and again. That's one way to win the game.
But instead they barely guard an open Logo three, and
it becomes a four point game. The Bucks then struggle
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to get the ball in bounds, which is weird. You
should have full court inbound plays. They call time out.
They advanced the ball to mid court. That's when they
get into Gary Trent and he's wide open, has a layup.
Instead holds the ball and does what I call turtling,
which is he kind of crouch over the ball and
then tries to throw the ball back to the inbounder,
turns the basketball over instead of being aggressive, dribbling it
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out of it, making them voulu you. Gary Trenton Junior
is an elite elead shooter. He's an eighty five percent
free throw shooter, and yet he was getting rid of
the ball like he was a fifty five percent free
throw shooter. Then Tyrese Haliburton drives in, and aj Green,
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who's not a great defender but gets called gets called
for an and one, and now it's a one point game,
and again they call time out. They throw it in
and Gary trent Junior drive the ball out of bounds
and Giannis gives up a straight line drive for a layup.
My look, we lost games in really difficult fashion this year,
you know, and anyone who's coached or anyone who's played,
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you see pieces of Yeah, Oakland eighteen seconds to go
up five, last game of the year at home. We
made aggressive mistakes, but mistakes right forced an air ball.
They throw it out, hit a three, they press us,
we go long. Freshman goes in to dunk it, which
I liked him doing. I wish he just would go
(06:35):
into dunk but make the layup. He makes one on
of two free throws. We foul up three, but we're
a terrible rebounding team, and we don't box out. We
get pushed around. They make the first miss, the second
lay the ball in, and we don't score. And then
in overtime we screwed some things up. We end up
losing by two or four. But considering who you have
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in your team, the magnitude of the game, how well
the Bucks played, how how good a free throw shooters
most of their team is, and the way in which
they lost that game, that game was lost, not one
lost by the Milwaukee Bucks. But I'm also not really
and we'll talk about this in the podcast Chase Duo.
(07:17):
People are reluctant to use the sea word. By seaword,
I mean choke. Why is that?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
I don't know. I need to explain to me. There
was a time on a show that I used to
work on where it seemed like, at least like once
a week we'd call an athlete a choker. And now
it's like people dance around it. They use like qualifying
language and they're all sensitive about it. I don't know,
maybe the country has softened a little.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Bit, Sam, Are you offended when you hear the choke word? No?
Speaker 6 (07:46):
No, I think I'm still part of the sports generation
that heart it regularly. And sometimes that's what it is.
I mean, you know, there's sometimes you're quitting and then
when you choke though, you're like trying to win the game,
but it just all goes to pieces and falls apart
and it's yours.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Here's Charles Barkley sending up the highlights afterwards.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Look at this Milwaukee was one a team one eleven
with forty seconds to go.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
Gary Trentz had a huge game, but he's turned it
over twice in the closing seconds.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
And look at Tyrese Halliburton down one. Come on man,
now one.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I don't like using the.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Word too, but out with the two, Dad, come on man, Yeah,
it was a choke. It was it was a choking.
It was a bad one. I don't know how you
get over that, Like a series, a season coming to
an end on those plays, I don't that one. Those
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ones hurt and considering it very well could be the
last of Janie and Jannie gets beat on the game
winning drive. And also Jannis is such a poor free
throw shooter that you're not going to throw the ball
to him late, right where most all of the greatest
NBA players we can think of, they demand that basketball
(09:09):
late and they try and get a and they hit
the free throws late. That's the differenceteing Jordan and Bird.
You know, Lebron did make I think the game winning
free throws in Game seven against against the Warriors, but
he's been a little bit of a sketch free throw shooter,
nothing to the level of Giannis. Put an awful way
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to end your season, and what a great way for
the Pacers to find a way to win. But that
one was hard to watch. Dan Byer, give me your thoughts.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
I was wondering when you get to me, boy.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well you're not on screen, and so I was.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
I have been, But that's okay, are you.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
No your anchor studio is not on screen?
Speaker 7 (09:51):
Oh well I was. It's okay, It's all good. I
was waiting waiting for the host to h to arrive.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
No, my thing, my thing, my screen. Just you know
we're on are you Tube channel? So you can you
can check it out. My thing was because I hadn't
there you go because your screen wasn't on. I thought
that was the telltale sign of Dan is busy. Right now,
don't go to Dan.
Speaker 7 (10:11):
Well, First of all, it starts with the twenty point
lead in the first quarter, so you've eliminated that. Then
you're able to stave off this Pacers comeback that has
them take the lead, and you actually have a chance
at the end of regulation to win it. But for
some reason, Yannis feels that a fadeaway baseline jumper from
nineteen feet is the best option to try to try
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to win that basketball game. That's to me like where
it started, with everything built up from act. They were
up thirty three to thirteen in the first quarter, like
it was. Things were going great, and then it slowly
dies away and I felt that they had every reason
to lose in overtime, and then Gary Trent plays out
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of his mind and the entire the entire breakdown them.
I want to harp dug on them not having a
timeout with a second left, because they're even the inbounds
passed that Jannis threw to Gary Trent, it's like a
seventy five footer, like you don't even chuck it down
court to try to.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Why why did that portus was all the way down
the court throw it to port it?
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Yeah, I don't I don't understand. But they had to
use their final timeout because they couldn't inbound it when
they couldn't inbound it at half court anyway, you know,
like it was, that was like the frustrating thing about it.
And you're right, like with the situation on when it
was how things laid out, seven point lead, You're like, Okay,
there's really only one way that they could lose this game,
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couple of threes, even like if the Bucks make their
free throws in a situation, You're like, Okay, there could
be an outside chance maybe Indiana could, But just the
lack of defense on the Haliburton two drives or the
thirty three footers, I mean they the thirty three footer
that I think Memhart hit. This has been a theme
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throughout the series. They just they weren't defending the three
point shot. And to your point of not using the
correct strategy and not fouling or just not guarding in
that situation, like a two in that situation up seven
isn't going to necessarily kill you three keeps them alive,
three point play, the whole deal, Every single piece of
(12:22):
it was awful. And the worst part about it, Doug
is I think as Bucks fans were watching that, we
kind of know what the future is that you've talked about.
We talked about it yesterday, but last night was that
possibility of, you know what, they were pretty good down
the stretch when Damian Lillard wasn't there. Maybe you go
back to Milwaukee, win that game, and you have a
(12:43):
Game seven and who knows what could happen. It had
you at least believing again, and they weren't We're going
to win the NBA title, but they sucked you in
only to rip your heart out as it's just about
to fall. Like I was waving the white flag before
the game. I thought they were probably gonna lose Game five,
and they ultimately did. Just never ever thought it would
be in that fashion.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
That fashion was incredible. Those ones are hard, and what's
crazy about it is, you know, we're gonna look back
and look at these series, you know, ten years from now,
I'm like, oh, well it was you know, wasn't crazy competitive?
It was four games to one, But the reality is
that was a game they had won several times over
you know, several times, yes, and and there was two
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others that they lost that they very easily could have
won as well. So you know, I get that. At
the end of the day, we go it's the old
Bill parcels. You are what your record says you are,
but that record is not telling of how competitive that
series is was. And and then you factor in Lillard
probably out for at least a year. What that does
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to Jannie, How that goes forward? What do you do
with Giannis, you know, moving forward? What do you do
with the with the coach moving forward? Like all of
these things are now massive questions that would have still
been questions in the offseason, But I think you would
have had a better overall feeling. If the team wins
last night, maybe they win, you know, they win at
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home force a game seven, and now if you lose,
you're like, hey, they're still fighting for Doc, They're still
very cohesive, They're not that far away. They figure out
the lither thing. Now it's like now you got to
blow it up.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
Yeah it is. And it's crazy to see what the
Pacers have done to them, you know, Giannis mentioning that
he's won a championship like this. This that goes back
to playing tournament last year like this is where this.
I mean they're in the same division, so they play often.
But first round series last year they played this year,
play in tournament the year before. For some reason, the
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Pacers are just in their heads a little bit like
Miami was in knocking them out. But why are you
that mentally weak to allow a team like that to
get in your head? That's my problem. I got a
lot of problems, but that's one of the problems.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
You got nine to nine problems and the bucks are won.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
There you go, certainly accurate.
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timeline with seven outside the yark, with five driving in
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Speaker 7 (15:43):
He lays it in with one in three ten seconds
to go.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Milwaukee has no timeouts. They have to go the lakes.
Paul is going to be played in by a tetekombo.
He gets at the trip and this.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
One is older shun belly.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Unbelievable, right, this one is over. What that's a crazy game.
And and I'm not if you're a Pacer fan, you're like, well,
we didn't win the game like you did. But McGary
Trench just turning the ball over, then just dropping the basketball.
I mean, I mean AJ Green missing a free throw.
These three things that's what lost the game. Two great
(16:24):
drives by Haliburton. I thought a complete fanom fantom foult buyer.
Did you think that was in any way a foul
on Green on the end one?
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Oh? And I felt that the whistle was late as well.
It was completely I felt buying into the momentum.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, that was awful. Was did they have the last
two minute report on that? Because that that one was cool.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
I have not seen anything that was.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
That one was crazy. And then you had the weirdness
after the game. Okay, the weirdness after the game. John
Haliburton's the dad of Tyrese Haliburton. Tyre's Haliburton's from Milwaukee originally,
by the way, and he was on the court and
then he, you know, is talking ish to Jannis and
holding up his son's jersey and saying whatever, and they
(17:09):
go like nos, nos, chest to chest. And today he
releases this statement, I see sincerely apologize to Yannis, the
Mocky Bucks, the Pacers organization for my actions following tonight's game.
This was not a good reflection of on our sport
or my son, and I will not make my mistake again.
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Here's Janis addressing the confrontation he had with Tarres Alburn's dad.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
I believe like being humbled in victory. That's how I am. Now,
this can be a lot of people out there that
are like, no, when you when you win the game,
it's it's a green light for you to be disrespectful
towards somebody else. I disagree. I've won the championship. They
have it, okay, and that doesn't say anything. I'm not
trying to minimize their effort, but losing the game, emotions
(17:58):
run high, having f fan which at the moment I
thought it was fine, but then I realized it was
Titi's son, which I love Titus, I think is a
great competitor. He was his dad, sorry, coming in the
floor and showing me his son, not towel with his face.
This is what we do, This is what we do.
This if we do this, I feel like that's very,
(18:21):
very disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Do you think I admire Yanni's I think the exact
same thing, the exact same thing. When with class lose
with class, the Pacers appeared to be completely classless. You know,
it's the old act, like you've been there before. They
hadn't actually been there before. That was just such a weird,
off putting moment. But I get me wrong. I mean,
(18:45):
usually what happens is two teams win. With team that
wins the hard fought, really competitive series, and no matter
how much they dislike each other, when the series is
over them, they shake hands. They they tap up the
best player, like I Giannis pulls Tyre's Burton's side and
says something cheesy like keep it going, man, keep winning man, right,
(19:06):
And then and then after the game they like Tyrese,
what did Yanna say? And then he'll go like, keep
that to ourselves, keep that private. That's that's how it
always works. But the Pacers look like clowns. Clowns. Congrats
you beat the Bucks. The Bucks had to spin up
all over themselves and they lost Damian Lillard in order
(19:28):
for you to beat them in a series. Great, but
you look like clowns. That's my opinion. Olden Polonies has
actually played in one NBA playoff series. You know NBA analysts,
He played fifteen years in the NBA. Oh, Pete, thanks
(19:49):
so much for joining us. Look, we lost a lot
of games this year in Division One. I can tell
you two or three that we absolutely choked, just choked,
but a choke of that magnitude where you have Gary Trent,
who played well, having too late turnovers, Glunn just dropping
(20:10):
the ball out of bounds. Crazy when you're watching that game,
what's going on in your mind?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Well? I had visions of Bill Buckner, That's what I
had of It went right through his legs and I
was like, wait a minute, and this moment, you really
taking your eyes off the ball. I don't care where
the defender is in that moment. You know, the first
lesson we always learned is catch the ball, and so
to me it goes again to show, you know, teams
(20:38):
take on the personalities of their coaches, and Doc Rivers
is synonymous with choke choke jobs, and so I'm not
really surprised at all, you know. I mean, Rasie Miller
was conjured up you know, nine points in how many seconds,
and it all came to be because Milwaukee just didn't
(21:00):
do what they were supposed to do. And I think
it was just it's almost feel like they're like, hey,
you know what, we're not gonna win this series. Let's
just end it. It almost seemed that way to me, Doug,
like they were like, how can we how many ways
can we find to lose this game?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Right now? Uh? Well, that was a new and inventive
way of losing. If you're the Bucks, what do you
do now? Lillard out most likely half to three quarters
of the year, maybe the entire year. Giannis has two
years left. But it was a team built to win
now and it doesn't look like they're close to winning. Now.
(21:37):
What do you do if you're running the Bucks?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well, if I'm the Bugs, i gotta take a deep,
deep dive into my team. You know, Yiannis especially, you know, yeah,
they're gonna say all the right things. You know, Giannis
isn't going anywhere, but I think emotionally, I think he spent.
I don't think you know, there's gonna be you know,
a situation where you know, he's like, yeah, I meet
(22:00):
us winning and I want to stay here. So he's
probably gonna pull one of You know, what every player
is doing now is find gleena pastors, and you know,
unfortunately sometimes there's not guena pastors. You know, Kyle Kuzma,
I thought he was going to be a great addition
to that team. No weight on his shoulders, and he's
still cracked under the pressure. So all these guys, you know,
(22:22):
it was just a weird Again, That's what I'm saying.
I go back to the coaching aspects of it. The
coaches don't play, but they make the decisions that kind
of like, you know, put you in in situations. You know,
whether it's the starting lineup the minute like JJ Redick
did with the Lakers, you know, playing these guys the
whole second half. You know, an old team should not
(22:45):
be playing, you know, twenty four whole minutes, you know,
so well, you know, they got to make some change.
They need some long win defenders. Kuzma's not a defender,
you know, he's an opposite Bread, of course, but they
need guys like that, you know, like the like the
guys on the Minnesota Templewolves. They need players like that,
(23:05):
long wing defenders.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Okay, let's get to the Lakers. Uh, they take on
the Timberwolves. Timberwolves have a chance to end the series.
What's what's your email of how the Lakers have played
in the series.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I said this on one of the shows on our network.
What the one thing I was afraid of with the Lakers,
with Luca and Lebron, is that, you know, you got
two great oufs and when when you know the dude
who hits the fan, they're going to revert back to
national instincts, which is what we've seen, which is Luca
(23:45):
coming down, jacking up shots, Lebron jacking up chots. And
the thing with Lebron is I gotta get my points
because I need to keep everybody off of me. You know,
if I if I drop thirty five at forty, people
won't say anything about It's that kind oftality. And with
Luca is like that's all he knows, and so it's
a recipe for disaster. You know, you gotta get those
(24:08):
other guys in five early in the game. Yet I'm
going and then you guys take over the game. But
that hasn't been the case. They're looking out for themselves.
So the Lakers are in a really tough situation because
they ran against again another bus star and a team
that's long athletics have a superstar in the making and
Anthony Edwards. They have defense in Rudy Gobert. And then
(24:32):
they also got a guy Julius Rando, who used to
be a Laker, so that's playing a role in how
he plays as well. They got a bunch of hungry guys, now, Ptenzo,
those guys are hungry. Plus they hurt the rumor. I
mean not the rumor, they hurt the noise. Oh, the
Lakers are definitely going to the finals. That are no
They're gonna sweep Minnesota. They gonna in five. All that
(24:55):
stuff was going on in Minnesota was just sitting back,
Wait a minute, we just I skip pizza Denver Nuggets,
and so to me, it was just you know, they
bid off more than they could choose.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, I just I don't think they can guard anybody.
It's weird. Like, I do think they did great with
the Luca trade, but at the time and now it's
played out as such, I don't think they're any closer
to winning a championship this year. I do think it
sustains them for future years as Lebron ages out do
that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Oh yeah, definitely makes sense. And that's the problem. You
know that you're locked into these two guys. Again, we
don't know how long Lebron's gotta played. My personal pions,
I think he's gonna play till about fifty. He's gonna
get so close to that magic number. He's gonna say,
you know what. But I'm like, Lebron, you've done almost
everything that no one's ever done before. You know it's
(25:49):
time to let it go. But if he's gonna keep playing,
they're gonna keep paying him. He's gonna keep going as
long as he can. But I don't think it's conduced
to winning a championship for the Lakers. He got a
forty year old, dude, I don't care. This ain't Lebron's
early Lebron. This is he's still forty years old.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Can you explain the Jamal Murray thing? Like Jamal Murray
last night was unbelievable, Jamal Murray when they won a championship, unbelievable,
Jamal Murray in the bubble, unbelievable Jamal Murray. Outside of
those three things that I mentioned, sort of average? What
explained the Jamal Murray thing? Because I don't understand how
a guy can at times be so spectacular he gets caught.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Up in his injuries. That's the easiest way I can
put it. You know, whenever something bothers him or he
gets hurt. Is like he embraced it so much to
where that's his crutch. You know, He's given us all
these flashes as you mentioned, but it's not really consistent
because Joker's gonna do Joker thing and so that's a given.
(26:50):
And I don't think that's the problem for him. I
just don't believe that he commits to the games all
the time the way he should like he did last
I mean, he plays like that these guys go all
the way to the finals. He plays the way he
did last night consistently that Jimp and Nuggets gives the fun.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I mean, he plays the way he plays last night.
I don't know if anybody beats him, right, because you
got Yo Kitchen and him, I don't know. I don't
know if anybody beats him. The the issue is is
is was and will always be inconsistency. Pistons go in
win a game in New York, right like everybody thought
(27:33):
that was the coronation. Pistons hold off the Knicks. Uh,
Brunson sprint rolls his ankle kind of late, and we're
kind of same old, same old with with New York
Knicks where the bench keeps shrinking and you know, Mitchell
Robinson came in and played well, but at the end
of the day, like if you don't have Brunson, you
don't have offense. And even Brunson has some some limitations,
(27:55):
doesn't play great last night. What's your overall outlook for
for the Nick in these playoffs?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I see that going seven. But the funny thing about it,
the Detroit Pishons have I'll played the Knicks, Yeah, they
literally have. I played the Knicks. It's been certain moments
whether the Knicks just lack of a better word, just
scored easily. And again that's the growing pains of the
Pistons being a young team. You know, you just got
(28:21):
to defend better in those moments like the first game,
the twenty one old run. Don't you don't allow that
to happen. I don't care who has to do it,
the coach, the players, somebody's got to come in and say, hey,
let's get a stop here, or let's get a basket here,
run any kind of play that's gonna get something to
stop the bleeding. But they totally have. I played the Knicks,
(28:44):
and so to me, you know, they're about to go
home right now. They're gonna get Game six at home
because it's d a guy in that moment. All the
Pessons are the Knicks anyway, so they're gonna play care
free and see what happens. But I think that one
goes seven.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Tender. Great. You is anybody beating the Celtics niece like
the Calves who just dominated.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Well, it's gonna be tough, you know, because these guys
we always talk about, you know, you live by the three,
you die by the three. It's weird, but these guys
they flourished by the three. It's weird seeing that because
even they can go oh, for fifteen. They still keep
putting them up. That's a lot of pressive, but they
(29:26):
play deceness at the other end. So it's just they
built for this. And you know two superstars in Brown
and Tatum. You have another guy in Pazingers who's a
forgotten man, but he's saying he's tough, and of course
you know Prichard. And it's just I like the boss
(29:49):
of Celtics to get to the finals. But Cleveland is
gonna be the issue, so we gotta wait and see.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Olden polonies. Ope, thanks so much for joining us man
play the old days the way. Thanks so much for
being our guests. Yeah, op joining us here on the
Doug Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. I actually think Jason,
the only reason you book him is because you love
(30:18):
that song.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yeah guilty.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
He's like I love Opie because one like legit friend
and loves hoop and just he we don't agree on everything,
but I just I like his perspective, so I appreciate
having him on. But Dan, I just think that the
truth is that Jason just wants to hear himself sing
this song.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
I think there's something to it when you've been out
Olden and I have done shows in your place, and
we came up with a segment where Olden would be
able to tell us stories or things from back in
the day. And then all of a sudden, one day,
this Bruce Springsteen cover of Glory Days or sample if
you will, lands in our lap, and it's been it's
(31:02):
been music gold ever since.
Speaker 9 (31:04):
I want to do Glory Story. It's it's kind of
a project of mine. It's kind of a project of mine.
But I think I'm gonna do a theme, a karaoke
theme for all of our regular guests. Eventually, I'm trying
to think one for Daniel Jeremia. I don't know if
I could turn it around in thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Jerem my spooking spooky.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
I thought, Elton John Daniel, you know, isn't it? Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Danielle, my friend, you were smarter than me.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Daniel's talking today Glory Days, Olden Days.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
Did you ever, Jason, did you ever get to you
know at the end where they do the like about
five times noo?
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Jason was waving off his own song a second ago
because it was too it was too overwhelming, it was
suffocating his own voice.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
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Speaker 7 (32:07):
Doug Gottlieb Show on a Wednesday here on Fox Sports Radio,
Ladies and gentlemen, I bring you yes, Doug Gottlieb. Oh jeez,
I was trying to be like the yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, they do. I get to do game time. And
then and then I asked you questions you you, how
do you? I don't know. I don't know Spider. I
know you with I don't know you with Spider, Spider.
Doug gotlip show here on Fox Sports Trading. Let's uh
take your damn bar, gets your game time?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Baby, What do you got about? Doug?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
The game today is for better or worse?
Speaker 5 (32:49):
All right?
Speaker 7 (32:50):
For better or worse? What is better or worse? The
two subjects and topic number one, we're talking collapses, better
or worse? Bucks against the pay or Duke versus Houston
in the Final four. Remember Duke got fourteen in that
game the eight minutes left?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Uh better collapses?
Speaker 7 (33:14):
Have you said it's better or worse? So you could
go with the worst angle, which collapse was worse?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I think the bucks collapse was worse. And here's why.
It's it's professional basketball players, right, It's professional basket players.
There's also basically two shot fouls, right, so you have
outside of Giannis, you had all eighty percent free throw
shooters and they only once Scott fouled and made one
out of two. There's no way you should never turn
(33:44):
that basketball over. They're gonna call any sort of little foul.
If you just hold on, just chin the ball and
hold on to it, you're gonna get fouled. So I
think it's I think it's way worse what happened with
the Bucks.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
The funny thing with that one, Doug, was I could
have done a variety of games for the NCAA Tournament Arkansas,
Texas Tech Texas Tech Florida had Houston against Florida just
in the end and them not getting a shot off.
And then the NBA playoffs we had Pistons Nicks, you
know from earlier in the series where the Pistons blew
a i think a nine point lead in New York
(34:17):
and let the Nicks win. So a lot of collapsing
going on. But moving on, Doug, for better or worse.
Speaking of the Pistons, yes, better chance of winning down
three to two in a series, Pistons or Clippers. Who
has a better chance or worst chance of winning their
series down three to two, Pistons or Quick I think.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
The Pistons have a worse chance, if we're honest with ourselves,
because Kawhi Leonard can be the best player in the
world at times. And I think really that's what it
kind of comes down to, Right. Kate Cunningham's amazing, it's
gonna be terrific, but he's never really done it. And
Kawhi has in addition to which you do still have
(34:59):
James Harden. He's got flaws, He's not perfect. But I
think it's the it's the Kawhi Leonard aspect of it
which makes it worse for the Pistons and better for
the better for the Clippers.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
Fair enough for better or worse. Doug top seed performance, Yeah,
Thunder versus the Calves.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
So far in these playoffs, I mean, I don't know
how you can question the Calves performance. Sure, I mean
they basically fifty pieced the Heat to close out the
series after forty piecing him the night before, Right, It's like, wow,
that was bad. Well, you know, the Heat they'll show
up to make that they'll make a game. Nope, nope, alright,
(35:41):
that one was over as soon as they threw up
the jump ball.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
For better or worse, Doug random NBA titles three subjects here, Bucks, Nuggets, Raptors.
They all seem pretty random now considering what we've gotten
in recent history. But what was the best or worst
of the.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Three of wait, one more time? Three?
Speaker 7 (36:03):
The random NBA titles that we've got Bucks, Nuggets, Raptors.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
What was the worst?
Speaker 7 (36:11):
Yeah, whichever way you want to go, you say the
Raptors was the what sam Well?
Speaker 6 (36:16):
I think the Raptors was maybe the worst because because
the Warriors are so beat up when they played them, sure,
and it was like Kawhi's you know, how many years
is he in Toronto?
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Two years?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
One year? One year? I mean you could say that
the same thing about the Bucks though, right, because they
didn't face off against the powerhouse in the in the finals,
and you know, I still contend that the Nets hadn't
gotten hurt, they may not advance out of that round.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Still a wacky season, you know, yeah, the Covide.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, I'm going to say the Bucks one's the worst
because because of the twenty twenty one Wacky, Weird, Wacky
Wild COVID season.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
And that's game time.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Game.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
This is game time on The du Gottleaf Show.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
All Right the Midways, up coming next on The Gottlieb Show.
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