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beautiful Sonny, Yes, I said, Sonny, Yeah, there you go,
Green Bay, Wisconsin. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. In what a night
last night in the NBA, You're like really like, yeah,
I there's some craziness, but there's an expression that I'm
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gonna credit man. I think I'm gonna credit Vincelanbardi with
somebody can look it up. It's more games are lost
than one. And that's what we saw last night the
the Milwaukee Bucks without Damian Lillard, and they're I mean, look,
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they're just trying to find a way, okay, trying to
find a way to win a game. They're up seven
points with forty seconds to go, and they have an
elite free throw shooter at the line. You know, let's
say they elite free throw shoot at the line, so
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they're actually up six points with a one plus one. Right,
one plus one is two shots. I know the NBA
likes to make it seem like it's like it's a
one plus one. It's it's two shots. Now, keep in mind,
no Damian Lillard, so you don't have your starting point guard.
But to have the ball and be up excuse me,
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up or be at the free throw line up six
two shot foul, and you have Aj Green at the line,
you feel really good about your chances, really good. Aj
Green is an eighty one and a half percent free
throw shooter as well as an elite three point shooter.
And I think he had taken twelve threes in the game,
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so it's not like it's the first time that he
shot the basketball. He makes one makes the first one,
miss the second one. He missed the second one badly,
and like, wait, aren't all misses the same? No, if
you miss to the left, and for an elite shooter
to miss left, ooh, that's a Frankly, that's probably a joke, right,
and eighty one and a half percent free throw shooter
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usually when they miss, it's felt like it should go
in that one didn't. So it's a seven point game
and the Pacers come up the court and step into
a logo three. Stepped into a logo three. Now we'll
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talk about the idea of analytics and when you foul
and what you do, but when you're up seven with
thirty five seconds to go, the only way you lose
those games is two things. One giving up three point shots.
Actually there's three ways you give up three points in
a possession in any way, and ones and threes. And secondly,
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you can't turn the basketball over. And it was all
three of those deals. Here's Doc Rivers on the late turnovers.
Just those final two turnovers.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
What do you see on both those plays?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Just bad turnovers. Obviously, I thought we put them in
the right place, got the ball in bound. Yeah, I mean,
we just turned the ball over. So it's not a
lot to be said. Having said that, that two of
them was the guy that saved us. So, I mean,
GT was freaking amazing tonight for us. But I thought
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the turnovers obviously were huge, and the two of the
three were were really unforced.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, I mean it's just it was that was as
bad as anything I've ever seen So the first thing
is you give up a kind of a walk in
step into it. Logo three. It's a deep, deep shot.
It's a deep shot. But you can't give up open threes.
You have to have to have to be run guys
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off the line, make them make twos in traffic, okay,
and do not foul. They didn't. The Bucks make a three, okay,
Now it's a it's a four point game. You could
actually foul despite the fact you're up seven points. Because
you foul, it limits them the most they can score.
If you're a good rebounding team, the most you can
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score is two. And then you get fouled. You go
to the yout a line you make even if you
make one out of two, still a two possession, two
three pointers game. You can foul again and again and again.
That's one way to win game. But instead they barely
guard an open Logo three, and it becomes a four
point game. The Bucks then struggle to get the ball
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in bounds, which is weird. You should have full court
inbound plays. They call time out, they advance the ball
to mid court. That's when they get into Gary Trent
and he's wide open, has a layup instead, holds the
ball and does what I call turtling, which is you
kind of crouch over the ball and then tries to
throw the ball back to the inbounder, turns the basketball
over instead of being aggressive, dribbling it out of it,
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making them voulu you. Gary Trent Junior is an elite
elit shooter. He's an eighty five percent free throw shooter,
and yet he was getting rid of the ball like
he was a fifty five percent free throw shooter. Then
Tyrese Haliburton drives in and aj Green, who's not a
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great defender but gets called uh, gets called for an
and one, and now it's a one point game, and
again they call time out. They throw it in and
Gary Trent Junior drops the ball out of bounds and
Giannis gives up a straight line drive for a layup.
My look, we lost games in really difficult fashion this year.
You know, and anyone who's coached or anyone who's played,
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you see pieces of Yeah, Oakland, eighteen seconds to go
up five, last game of the year at home. We
made aggressive mistakes, but mistakes right forced an airball, They
throw it out, hit a three, they press us, We
go along. Freshman goes in to dunket, which I liked
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him doing. I wish he just would go into dunk
but make the layup. He makes one out of two
free throws. We foul up three, but we're a terrible
rebounding team and we don't box out. We get pushed around.
They make the first miss, the second lay the ball
in and we don't score. And then in overtime we
screwed some things up. We end up losing by two
or four. But considering who you have in your team,
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the magnitude of the game, how well the Bucks played,
how how good a free throw shooters most of their
team is, and the way in which they lost that game,
that game was lost, not one lost by the Milwaukee Bucks.
But I'm also not really and we'll talk about this
in the podcast Chase du People are reluctant to use
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the seaword. By seaword, I mean choke. Why is that?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I don't know. I need to explain to me. There
was a time on a show that I used to
work on where it seemed like at least like once
a week we'd call an athlete at choker. And now
it's like people dance around it. They use like qualifying language,
and they're all sensitive about it. I don't know, maybe
the country has softened a little bit.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Sam, Are you offended when you hear the choke word?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
No?
Speaker 5 (07:47):
No, I think I'm still part of the sports generation
that hurt it regularly. And sometimes that's what it is.
I mean, you know, there's sometimes you're quitting and then
when you choke though, you're like trying to win the game,
but it just all goes to pieces and falls apart,
and it's here.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Here's Charles Barkley sending up the highlights afterwards.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Look at this Milwaukee was one eighteen, one eleven with
four seconds to go.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Gary Trentz had a huge game, but he's turned it
over twice in.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
The closing seconds.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And look at Tyrese Halliburton drive down one Hord.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Come on, man, now call one. I don't like to
use the word cho but I look at choke Dad,
Come on man, Yeah, it was a choke. It was
It was a choking. It was a bad one. I
don't know how you get over that, like a series,
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a season coming to an end. On those plays, I
don't that one. Those ones hurt and considering it very
well could be the last of Jannis and Janie gets
beat on the game winning drive. And also, Jannis is
such a poor free throw shoot that you're not going
to throw the ball to him late, right where most
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all of the greatest NBA players we can think of,
they demand that basketball late and they try and get
a and they hit the free throws late. That's the
difference team Jordan and Bird. You know, Lebron did make
I think the game winning free throws in Game seven
against against the Warriors, but he's been a little bit
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of a sketch free throw shooter, nothing to the level
of Giannis. Put an awful way to end your season,
and what a great way for the Pacers to find
a way to win. But that one was hard to watch.
Dan Byer, give me your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I was wondering when you get to me, boy.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Well you're not on screen, and so I was. I
have been.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
But that's okay, are you no.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Your anchor studio is not on screen?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Oh well I was. It's okay, It's all good. I
was waiting waiting for the host to arrive.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
No, my thing, my thing, my just so you know,
we're on our YouTube channel so you can you can
check it out. My thing was because I hadn't there
you go because your screen wasn't on. I thought that
was the telltale sign of Dan is busy. Right now,
don't go to Dan.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Well, first of all, it starts with the twenty point
lead in the first quarter, so you've eliminated that. Then
you're able to stave off this Pacers comeback that has
them take the lead, and you actually have a chance
at the end of regulation to win it. But for
some reason, Yannis feels that a fadeaway baseline jumper from
nineteen feet is the best option to try to try
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to win that basketball game. That's to me, like where
it started, with everything built up from act. They were
up thirty three to thirteen in the first quarter, like
it was. Things were going great, and then it slowly
dies away and I felt that they had every reason
to lose in overtime, and then Gary Trent plays out
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of his mind and the entire the entire breakdown them.
I want to harpdug on them not having a timeout
with a second left, because there even the inbounds passed
that Giannis threw to Gary Trent. It's like a seventy
five footer, like you don't even chuck it down court
to try to.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Why why did that portis was all the way down
the court throw it to port it?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, I don't I don't understand. But they had to
use their final timeout because they couldn't inbound it when
they couldn't inbound it at half court anyway, you know,
like it was that was like the frustrating thing about it.
And you're right, like with the situation on when it
was how things laid out seven point lead, You're like, Okay,
there's really only one way that they could lose this game,
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a couple of threes, even like if the Bucks make
their free throws in a situation, You're like, Okay, there
could be an outside chance maybe Indiana could, but just
the lack of defense on the Haliburton two drives or
the thirty three footers, I mean they thirty three foot
that I think Nemhart hit. This has been a theme
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throughout the series. They just they weren't defending the three
point shot. And to your point of not using the
correct strategy and not fouling or just not guarding in
that situation, like a two in that situation up seven
isn't going to necessarily kill you, three keeps them alive,
three point play, the whole deal, Every single piece of
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it was awful. And the worst part about it, Doug
is I think as Bucks fans were watching that, we
kind of know what the future is that you've talked about.
We talked about it yesterday, but last night was that
possibility of, you know what, they were pretty good down
the stretch when Damian Lillard wasn't there. Maybe you go
back to Milwaukee, win that game, and you have a
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Game seven and who knows what could happen. It had
you at least believing again and they weren't. Were're going
to win the NBA title, but they sucked you in
only to rip your heart out as it's just about
to fall. Like I was waving the white flag before
the game. I thought they were probably gonna lose Game five,
and they ultimately did. Just never ever thought it would
be in that fashion.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
That fashion was incredible. Those ones are hard, and what's
crazy about it is, you know, we're gonna look back
and look at these series, you know, ten years from now,
I'm like, oh, well it was you know, wasn't crazy competitive.
It was four games to one. But the reality is
that was a game they had won several times over
you know, several times, yes, and and there was two
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others that they lost that they very easily could have
won as well. So, you know, I get that. At
the end of the day, we go it's the old
Bill parcels. You are what your record says you are,
but that record is not telling of how competitive that
series is was. And and then you factor in Lillard
probably out for at least a year. What that does
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to Jannie, how that goes forward? What do you do
with Giannis, you know, moving forward? What do you do
with the with the coach moving forward? Like all of
these things are now massive questions that would have still
been questions in the offseason, But I think you would
have had a better overall feeling. If the team wins
last night, maybe they win, you know, they win at
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home Force a game seven, And now if you lose,
you're like, hey, they're still fighting for Doc, They're still
very cohesive, They're not that far away. They figure out
the lither thing. Now it's like now you got to
blow it up.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah it is. And it's crazy to see what the
Pacers have done to them. You know, Jhanni is mentioning
that he's won a championship like this. This goes back
to playing tournament last year Like this is where this.
I mean, they're in the same division, so they play often.
But first round series last year they played this year,
play in tournament the year before. For some reason, the
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Pacers are just in their heads a little bit like
Miami was in knocking them out. But why are you
that mentally weak to allow a team like that to
get in your head? That's my problem. I got a
lot of problems, but that's one of the problems.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You got nine to nine problems and the bucks are won.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
That's true. There you go, It's accurate.
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want your your opinion here. You your son's you know young,
so I have a teenage son, DJ, I know you
have teenage sons as as well. Dane Jeremiah joints us
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from the NFL Network and uh move the six podcast. Look,
if you're Jeff Ulbrich, I mean, obviously it's a bad look.
You feel bad as well. But one hundred thousand dollars
feels really really steep. Am I wrong buyer?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I think it's it is for him. I think that
it's warranted though, considering this is confidential information that and
you have to look like you made a stand, So
I think it's warranted.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Okay, there's been the other pranks, even this one, and
going back to last year, and no one's been chased down.
It feels like this is maybe more Schador Sanders centric.
Daniel Jeremiah joins us, we don't need to talk about
what I mean. Obviously, if your son does it, you
go crazy. One hundred thousand dollars feel steep to me,
just does Dejeb.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
That's a lot of lawns he's going to have to
mow to help pay out. One off for Pops, but
I do kind of agree with the message being sent.
This was just kind of a bigger message, and it
wasn't I mean, there was a lot of other people
that got hit with these print calls, I know, like
Riley Leonard got hit with one amongst other people. So
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I think it was just kind of like, hey, let's
just send a message in just so people know how.
I'm not saying this is how the Falcons are going
to handle it, but I know of other times, like
you hear stories about individuals being fined and then this
club ends up kind of making that right, if you
know what I mean, Like in the next contract, you
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kind of get a little bump and they kind of
take care of you on that stuff. So I don't
think that the Olbrick family is going to be missing
meals because of the hundred thousand dollars. Fine, but it's
definitely a message sent to the entire league that we
got to Okay, guys, we got to stop this stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Stuck gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Dana Jeremiah. Okay, DJ, what was your EVL
of Shador Sanders?
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Yeah, And I thought I thought he had he is.
I put him in that potential starter category, I meaning
he's got to just be in the right situation. But
I thought he had the ability to start because of
the toughness, accuracy, you know, decision making, all that stuff. Good,
Like those are positives. He just not a big guy.
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He doesn't have a huge arm, he's not a great athlete.
He's not a trasy player. So that's gonna first of all,
that's going to limit the number of teams that you're
going to fit. Right, you got to be a point guard,
like a crew point guard style of quarterback, and so
when you have a limited number of pools, you start
there and then you go through the process and you're
not really wanting to go through the whole process with
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all the different teams. And there's teams that was talking
to people that said, hey, if you weren't in the
top seven, you weren't going to get Really he wasn't
giving you the time of day. Like he completely limited
himself by kind of the way he handled the process.
So I think there's a lot of reasons that come
together into why he ended up going where he went.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Okay, but again, talent wise, where would you have been.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Comfortable talent wise, that would have been comfortable on the
you know, he's a bottom first second round player, Like,
that's where my grade was with him. You know, I
think that was, you know, a legitimate place for him
to go and then you know, you go, once you
get beyond that first little wave, then now you're going
to really start to fall because there's no middle class
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with quarterbacks. I thought he was bottom tier upper class,
which puts you in the twenties thirties, is kind of
where Migrade put him. But once you get out of that,
there's just you're not gonna You're not going to find
people in that middle tier. They're just going to say, oh,
you're either in the top tier or you're in the next,
you know, tier, which is going to put you in
the fourth, fifth round.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
How does he compare to Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
His tape's more impressive than Dylan Gabriel's. Dylan Gabriel's you know,
he's undersized guy who makes you know, really good decisions.
You talk about some of the same strengths, but I
mean it's a lot, it's a lot underneath and over
the top, a lot of intermediate stuff, which is kind
of where the game is played. I think you see
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Schador make a lot more bros in that range than
you do see with Gabriel. I think Gabriel to me
was a you know, he's going to be a valuable backup,
who's a great dude, who's going to serve the starter,
and who can have a long career in that In
that role, you know, you think about guys that are
kind of limited skill set wise, in size wise, Guys
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like case Keenum, you know that have hung around in
the NFL for a long time. That's kind of what
I would put him in that vein.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, professional backup, yep, that's what he is. So but
you've also, like you've been in this league as a scout,
you cover this league for years now. How does that work?
They got Flacco, they have Gabriel, they have obviously have Shador,
they have Kenny Pickett, and then they still have Deshaun
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Watson's contract. You know, how does it work?
Speaker 7 (20:55):
I think Flacco is going to be on the team
and he's probably the most likely Week one, and they're
going to let the other three duke it out for
two spots. With Picket and the two rookies. I would
say it's highly unlikely that a third round pick is
going to get cut just because you don't feel good
about that. It doesn't look good. So that would mean,
you know, Gabriel has a good opportunity there. And then
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you start coming down to Shaduur versus Kenny Pickett. If
it's close, Chador will get you know, we'll get the
nod because he's younger, he's cheaper, all those things. So
to me, that's kind of the competition to keep an
eye on all these quarterbacks. Just it's going to be
Kenny Pickett versus shud Or Sanders to see who makes
the team. And Shadoor Sanders just needed to be close.
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I think Kenny Pickett probably has to knock him out
to win to win his job.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's crazy, Uh, really interest stuff. Okay, whose draft? Did
you really really like? I love?
Speaker 7 (21:51):
What Patriots? Did you know? I really did? I thought
that if you were Drake May coming into the draft,
you knew, gosh, I need a lot of hell I
need you know, stuff all over the place. Our offense
didn't have anything really to work with this last year,
and you go out and you get trade Gahn Henderson,
who I loved, is a back who's someone who can
catch the heck out of it, is also going to
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be a really good, you know, pass protector, one of
the best that's come out in a long time. So
you take that, you get him in the mix. Will Campbell.
People can debate him on what the upside is. What
is debatable is he's a heck of a lot better
option than what they were playing with last year. So
you've you've upgraded left tackle. You've got me a valuable
weapon out of the backfield. Then you go out and
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you get Kyle Williams, the receiver from Washington State who
I thought was he was in the fifties on my list.
I think they got him in the third round. He's
going to have a chance to play right away. And
they got an athletic center, the most athletic center in
the draft, and Jared Wilson out of Georgia. So that's
a lot of pieces to go help Drake May which
I thought was probably the quarterback that needed the most
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help from this draft, and I thought he got it.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Stug gott Leap Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
give me somebody strap who.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
You didn't like, you know, Cincinnati, I just you know
they got some good players, but you know, I didn't
know that the value was always there with where they
were picking. Demetri Snight's a good player, but he's a
twenty five year old linebacker with some you know, some
coverage limitations. I just don't think you needed to take
him in the second round. So you know, that one
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was a little bit of a little bit of a
head scratcher. Shamar Stewart is, you know, his upside play
because he's got all the traits but doesn't have any
production coming out of Texas A and M. So that's
you know, your your first pick. I always like to
have that first pick just be a double off the
wall Doug where there's no you know, no risk, and
to me, just with the lack of production, there's a
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little bit of concern there. So the Bengals won. It's
not that they're bad players. I just didn't love the
value where they got guys.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
No, no, I I completely understand that any idea if
Aaron Roers is going to play football.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Next year, I mean it sure seems like it. I
Mean we had Tom went on and he didn't want
to talk about it, but it was almost like a
a kind of a sparkle in his eye that you
could see he was thinking that was that was coming
in the future. Here. They sure acted like the way
they drafted that they anticipated they were going to get
someone to come into the quarterback room. So yeah, I
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mean I would I don't know anything if you can
do anything higher than sixty percent on guessing what Aaron
Rochers is going to do, but I'd say sixty forty.
I'll go sixty forty that he's going to play there.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, what you had. Part of the Shador
thing that's kind of disappointing is we don't we haven't
had a we haven't flushed out the cam Ward fit
what they're building in Tennessee. Here we can what are
your expectations for cam Ward in terms of fit with
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the offense, what the personnel around him looks like, and
what we should look for in year one?
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Yeah, I mean, I think they've got a lot more
work to do around him. I think when you look
at him, though, and you stack him up in the
division and you look at C. J. Stroud, you look
at Trevor Lawrence, just from a talent standpoint, I think
he can go toe to toe with those guys. So
that's exciting to me that you've got someone with some
real upside there. So I think that's, you know, that's
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going to be big for the future. I just you know,
the offensive line, they did their best to address it.
Dan Moore from Pittsburgh, I thought many I overpaid him
a little bit, but you could say they upgraded Zeitler,
who they got to veteran guard I got. You know,
they've got some solid pieces, but I don't know that
that's a top you know, top half of the league
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offensive line. And then receiver wise, I love Ridley. Ridley's
talented guy. They drafted a couple of guys and UH
and DK and a omannor from from Stanford who are
just kind of three four type guys. I don't know.
I mean, to me, it's like you've got Calvin Ridley
in a bunch of threes and fours. They he's gonna
need more weapons, you know. That's it's kind of similar
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to the discussion we just had with Drake. I think
his rookie year is going to be similar to Drake
in that you'll see the you'll see the talent that
he's going to have, but you're going to end the year,
you'd be like, oh my gosh, they got to get
this kid a lot of help.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Daniel Jeremiah joining us here on Fox Sports Radio The
Doug Gottlieb Show. Daniel, Doug's having some technical difficulties, So
what we're going to need me to care.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Let's talk Padres Giants right now.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Let's do Padres just jumped out to a one nothing lead.
I know, Jason Stewart's probably well, actually, it's kind of
a tough one today with the Giants being the Padres opponent.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
So yeah, the enemy of your enemy is your friend. Yes,
he actually likes the Padres.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And then you add a very complicated thing for me.
Dan and I are in this really cool Survivor league
where you pick a team a week. I picked the
Giants this week. So I'm definitely rooting against the Pods
today for more than one reason. And it puts for
the predicament I think we I mean, look.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
Hey, where my goal is just kind of hang around,
and then I think we're about a week away from
getting Meryll and cronin Worth back. We just got to
rise back, like we're gonna start getting healthy and uh,
and it's gonna be a fun summer. The NLST it
is absolutely loaded.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
It's amazing. It sends the Rockies, but yeah those Tops.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
Yeah wow, Yeah that's tough one. But I mean think
about these like the Diamondbacks, the Giants, that the Dodgers,
the Padres, all of those teams playing each other all
summer long. It's gonna be a great series. The Diamondbacks
are good and they're what like four and a half
games back or something like that already, Like they're it's
a stack division. Doug doesn't ever come back. We'll just
do pottery.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
No, no, we're not doing PODU. I'm right here. We're
not doing any pod talk. We're not doing any Padres talk.
Stop trying to stop trying to change the topic. We
we want to talk football because Jay Stu will cut
your mic if you keep talking about baseball. Because I
just figured.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
I just figured you had a five star on campus
or something right now. And you're like, oh, he just
got here. I got a scoot. You know, I thought
you were ditching me.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I really appreciate you stop by our event on Tuesday night,
even though you were told not to do so. Uh,
we tried not to get you in trouble. Thanks for
being our guests as well.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
Oh you're the best, budd.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I appreciate you all right, Stan and Jeremiah joining us
here on the Doug Goatlip Show on Fox Sports Tradio.
Just again, I'm not trying to get him in trouble,
but I mean, here's how good a duty is. So
we had an event, uh fundraiser, Frank Caliendo, Dan Patrick, myself,
Kyle Rudolph stopped by, who else, A couple, a couple
others stop by, and I had DJ had said like,
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I can make it, you know, go ahead and tell people.
And then the NFL networks like your overwork too many
people were asking, no, we shut you down, and DJ's like, okay,
I'm just gonna steak in. And he was up there
for like an hour answering questions and it was it
was pretty cool.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
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Speaker 1 (28:54):
Why Up with You Dog Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Hey,
we do the Midway every Wednesday, middle, middle of the day,
middle of the show, right because we had the one
hour podcast that follows this, and it's usually a discussion
where something outside of the realm, sometimes the sports, sometimes
it's not. It could be music, it could be whatever.
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I thought I had the right topic. And then Jay
s dou just kind of goes buzzkill on me because
he's like, yeah, everybody's talked about that topic. So Jay Stu,
if you have a better one, you feel free, Dan
Byer Sam, I'll let you guys sort of decide. But
I like the one hundred one hundred men versus the
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gorilla discussion that has been on the internet. And I
wasn't aware of it, only because you know, my algorithm
is all portal news and basketball, basketball basketball stuff. But
my son and I we're hanging out this weekend and
he's like, hey, Dad, have you seen the big internet
question of the weekend? I was like, no, but I
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have no. He's like, it's a gorilla versus one hundred men?
Who wins? Right? And Jay Stu, your your whole thing
is everybody's done that. Now we're at like Tuesday because
everybody's done it one days. That makes it played out.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Well, it's Wednesday?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Is it Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And people have been doing it all week I want
to say our own Cadino and Rich did it at
least Monday or Tuesday, but that tracks. It was all
over my timeline the past twenty four hours. So I
just thought we were await to the party. But I'm
willing to do it. I got takes.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I think if you have takes and I have takes,
it's a good one. So let's get to the midway.
He's not getting the middle. It's time for the.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Do we have any Do we have any understanding of
who started this one hundred men versus guerrilla argument?
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I don't. I'm not sure where it originated from.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Sam No, I don't. Maybe the TikTok somewhere.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
The TikTok you said, Like, Sam, you're a little bit
younger than us saying the TikTok. Maybe that sounds like
Donald Trump, Like I lose the TikTok, the the tictac
or Joe Biden's that was on the TikTok.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
That's where the dumb things start. It's on Instagram or
the TikTok.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, well last week it was the ice bucket challenge
thing or but we'd already done that. That's like five
years ago. We did the ice bucket challenge for als.
Now somebody like we got to come up. We don't
necessarily need to top it, don't need to jump off
a bridge or something, but it should be something different
than ice Buckett.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Anyway, shot gpt says this starter than twenty twenty two.
The recent popularity can be traced back to a post
by on former Twitter by dream Chasing Mike, where you
suggested that one hundred dedicated humans could pot to actually
win a single gorilla fight. As reported by The New
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York Times.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Is dream Chasing Mike a famous guy on on the
TikTok or the the X.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
He might be an egg with three followers.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
He might be, he will be.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Various iterations have kind of popped up over the last
few months, Like Covin and Rich were talking about how
many steven A's could it take to take down Lebron,
So there's like this, how many of one thing could
take down another thing. I also see these weird kind
of simulations in my reels on social media where it's
like a thousand dragons versus like a million orcs from from.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Lord of the Ring.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
So it's like these random like I don't even know
why people or assist with this stuff that.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I don't either, but I do like this. I think
I'm guessing Jay Stu and I have the same philosophy.
But let's go. Let's start with Dan. Okay, Dan, when
did you become First of all, when did you become
aware of the one hundred men versus gorilla?
Speaker 7 (32:59):
Time?
Speaker 4 (33:00):
It was Sunday or Monday? Yeah, yes, yes, right time?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Okay, and immediately what'd you think?
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I didn't put much thought to it. Actually it wasn't
necessarily in my wheelhouse. But for the sake of this argument,
I have thought about it. I've thought about a lion
versus a wild pack of hyenas, because I think that's
that's somewhat of a fair comparison if you're trying to
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do a one versus ten or twenty.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I actually think that's a really, really good one. Yes,
I'll tell you why after you finished, but go ahead.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
So the thing is is, I think that the sheer
number of men or humans is jarring. But like, in
no way would you have a hundred of them fighting
at the same time. You couldn't get that many punches in.
There would just be too many people. So my first
thought is how many can you send in initially to
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make a dent to wound or limit the gorilla without
completely wasting the rest of the backup around. So out
of one hundred, like you, you can't even put fifty guys.
There's not enough. There's not enough room there to do damage.
So then I'm wondering, Okay, ten is ten enough or
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would the gorilla wipe out the ten immediately? And then
it just becomes around. That's where I started to think
of how do you how do you end up doing this?
How do you have enough men or women to make
an initial initial attack to at least slow down the
gorilla to make any headway in the matter.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
See, I thought you meant with the hyenas, because the
key to the hyenas is they tire out. They wait
for the lion to get tired, right, They wait till
they just circle and circle and circle and nip and okay, yeah,
and then you know the lionel the lion will Now,
the lion does not do as much damage as the
gorilla will do. Right, because the girl that can just
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pull your arm right off.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
It really has opposable thumbs and can grab your head
and rip it off.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yes, so in many ways, the girl is more dangerous
than a lion. On the other hand, you have the
intellectual capabilities of man, which we think are better. So
Jayce du this is probably what you're thinking, because this
is what I'm thinking, right, is I want to be
dude ninety seven through one hundred, right, but I want
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to be the guy who and because I'm a coach,
I can be the strategy guy, but I can stay
out of the front.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
The first You're like, at the end, you're like.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
No, no, no, I'm in the back. What point you guys
we're using the first ten, first ten to fifteen. Those
are all those guys that are like UFC dude who
thinks like I got this, I got this right. There's
a let's roll guy who thinks like this is his
nine to eleven sort of moment. I'm going to stand
up for mankind. Like those guys those first fifteen. They
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go in and and one their goal is they are
there for us to observe what the weaknesses of said
gorilla are. And they're but they're mostly there for them
to tire out the gorilla, because at some point the
grill is going to get tired, and that's what we
got to strike or that's when everybody else has to
strike and I can direct them in a strike case too.
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Is that is that anywhere near what you were thinking?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Kind of?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
But I guess, I guess I'm just clarify the entire
thing here. Okay, is are we picking which one's gonna win?
Or are we coming up with reasons how the humans
will win.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
How the humans would win, because otherwise you think that
I mean, one on one or one on five, the
gorilla the silverback is gonna win.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Can I just say state for the record, I think
one hundred men gets.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
It done easily.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I don't know easily.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
I think I think hold on here.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
No, here's here's the problem. Okay, if it's a real gorilla,
you really go after a gorilla, there's going to be
at least these twenty guys that can't handle the fact
that he's gonna rip somebody's head off.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
But are like, are we literally count mentality or is
this like this girl that has to be defeated or
else we all die? Like we get sent off, we get.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Lots of guys are sitting there going like, hey, I
don't want to, but I do it. You know, we're
gonna put three cargo. We'll we'll go do it right.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
It's like Brave Heart the front of the line, those
guys like we got.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Here's no, here's what, Here's here, here's my thing. Okay.
To answer your question, Sam is, have you ever seen
the show What would you Do?
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
What would you do? And the the for people haven't
seen it. The premise of it is like a baby's
in a stroller and it's rolling down a hill and
you're sitting there at a cafe and you see it
rolling by. Normally you'd think I just I grab the
baby and keep them going. But as they show you,
lots of people react poorly when they say see things happening.
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So every guy, yes, every guy is like, dude, I'd
be fine, right, I'll be all right, Like, yeah, the
gorilla is gonna throw some people around, but I'll be
smart and I'll avoid it. Okay, But have you ever
actually seen somebody's head ripped off of their body? I
have not.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
I have not not yet.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Okay, Well, when you see somebody's head ripped or arm
limb ripped off of your body involuntarily, many people are
going to throw up, pass out or beer poop their pants.
So I think that's the reality of it. I still
think that man could pull it off, but it would
take a sensible attack. You have to some people would
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have to be sacrificed. Sorry, guys.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
It has waves, the waves the front.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
And this is where the the hyena was the right
one because hyenas they just they want to tire you out,
tire you out, and eventually the silver back gets tired out.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Because that's I think. I thought, that's why this whole
thing has been lasting for a few days, is that
it's fifty to fifty. Right, there are people making the
case that the gorilla wins fifty to fifty. So if
you're asking me who's going to win, humans are going
to win for a similar reason, Doug said. But I'm
also going to make references to two key wars in
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our history. Russia won World War Two, and I know
that's controversial with people because we're supposed to hate Russia.
I know our history books probably tell us we want it.
But Russia won World War Two why because they had
ten times more troops, ten times more people to slaughter
than Germany did. They overwhelmed them with numbers. If you
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go back to the Civil War. I think it was
General George mccle McClellan who told Lincoln at some point,
we've been fighting these battles with one hand tied behind
our backs, why don't we just send ten times more
guys into these battles. That's why I think we would
beat the.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Gorilla just a sheer mass of numbers and strength. I mean,
if you're gonna send five guys to latch onto each
arm of the gorilla, you're gonna try to and I
know that gorilla could probably whip those guys around. If
you put enough guys, you can fit enough guys on
each arm, you're gonna weigh down that gorilla. And then
he can't use his most valuable weapon, his resoarch, which
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is the strength of his arms and his hands. I mean,
he can bite you, but if you keep his head
and face away from other guys, then that's not gonna
be a problem. But I agree with Jason and the
reason why the Americans won the Revolutionary War is because
they stopped lining up in lines like the British did,
who had numbers, and just marched straight out at the conflict.
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They would they actually no pun intended employed gorilla tactics
by hiding and doing be more strategic instead of just
marching full mass into the bloody conflict.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah, I mean, I get it. I do.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
I think the I think the humans win pretty easily.
There'll be some, there'll be some some bloodshed and some.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Gold and the human I don't think the humans win.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Out of one hundred. Yes, you're saying though, that some
of them are gonna chicken out, which okay, let's say fifteen.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
It's not gonna chicken out like it's not.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Yes, there'll be some people that will run.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
There were some people that will run for the hills.
There was people that will be physically ill. There will
be some, there'll be there will be at least, you know,
five or ten that get clipped. When a gorilla grabs
one human throws that human takes out another human, right
like kind of the bowling ball sort of philosophy. I
don't think you understand the strength and power of a
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silver backed gorilla and how it compares to and and
their level of intelligence.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
They are strong, very strong. We're talking about we're talking
about like if you had five to ten men going
at each limb, or five men, you can't fit that
many grill Like Dan said, you can't see that many
girls around, but you you sent and then you start
gouging its eye, you start kicking it in the crotch maybe,
and you start punching it in the pelvis, and I
think that that girl is going to wear down after
about thirty forty men.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
To Jason's point of who wins, I think on the surface,
one hundred versus one is pretty easy. Yeah, but the
gorilla has basically one plan, and there could be a
variety of plans for the humans, and so many of
those could yeah, could go awry.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, And I actually think there's an expression my best
lay plans of mice and men off and go a
rye Yes.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Yeah, you could have Jordan Hudson just stand on the
outside and talk for a while and then maybe a
little the just ends it himself a little.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
The girlla to sleep, or he just says, I don't
want to take it.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
We're not talking about that. We're not talking about that.
It's already been discussed.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
The gorilla marches out of the interview.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I know, I know this is not the gorilla thing,
but how uncomfortable is the Jordan Hudson thing. Like so
uncomfortable again, just.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Have her there, talk his ear off. Don't want no part.
Speaker 7 (42:59):
Of it, lady than undressed ones.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
There's so Sam and Jason are on the side of humans.
I think I sided with the gorilla.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I'm with gorilla as well. Gorilla Team Gorilla. Actually, we
all actually want to see this happen.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
I don't want to see anyone's head get ripped off.
I will be and honestly, I wouldn't want to see
an animal. That's the problem, yea.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
The problem that we don't want to see animal get kill.
We don't want to get see something, but we do
kind of want to see it.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
The silverback gorilla is an endangered species if I'm not mistaken.
So it's fun, yeah, it is. It's so it's like
their habitats diminishing, like the orangutan.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I know that, I know the habitat's massion.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
I didn't know they were in nature, I'm pretty sure.
And so you want them to live their cool species.
You just want to leave them alone. You want to
give them their space, you know, which is.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Why I want to see them rip somebody's head up, because,
like have you seen the movie? Humans on some level
had to come into them.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
Have you seen the movie Congo? It kind of reminds
me of Congo, except they had like these laser guns
that they shot at the gorillas. But they're all these crazy,
like deranged yeah gorillas, and they the video games a
little before my time.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Down up, down, left, right, left right? Abba? Wasn't it?
Was it? The ulymited lives.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Chat GPT says yeah. Silverback gorillas, along with all gorilla species,
are endangered according to the International Union of Conserve, Conservation
and Nature.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Oh yeah, they're in dangered. That's because me and Dan
Byer are coming with our friends.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Better watch out. I'm on and you I would be
number one, oh one of the one hundred.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Oh I have you know? I? You know lanea Lane
Text Lane just my team, Gorilla, Lane's team Gorilla Doug.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
I I just imagine you coming in at the end
like some general after like with the beginning of Apocalypse Now,
He's like, well done, boys, you got the job done.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
No, No, I have a cigarette. I'll be Uh what
who wasn't in Apocalypse now? God? Who is the general?
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Robert Duvall?
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Robert Duvall?
Speaker 5 (44:58):
It was like spell that love, the smell in Nate
palm in the morning. Who's our verse surf?
Speaker 1 (45:04):
That smell No, he says, that smell the gasoline smell.
Snay Pop. Love the smell of a palm in the morning,
smells like smells like victory. I love the smell of
play palm in the morning.
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beautiful Sonny, Yes, I said, Sonny, Yeah, there you go,
Green Bay, Wisconsin. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. In what a night
last night in the NBA, You're like really like, yeah,
I there's some craziness, but there's an expression that I'm
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gonna credit man. I think I'm gonna credit Vincelanbardi with
somebody can look it up. It's more games are lost
than one. And that's what we saw last night the
the Milwaukee Bucks without Damian Lillard, and they're I mean, look,
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they're just trying to find a way, okay, trying to
find a way to win a game. They're up seven
points with forty seconds to go, and they have an
elite free throw shooter at the line. You know, let's
say they elite free throw shoot at the line, so
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they're actually up six points with a one plus one. Right,
one plus one is two shots. I know the NBA
likes to make it seem like it's like it's a
one plus one. It's it's two shots. Now, keep in mind,
no Damian Lillard, so you don't have your starting point guard.
But to have the ball and be up excuse me,
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up or be at the free throw line up six
two shot foul, and you have Aj Green at the line,
you feel really good about your chances, really good. Aj
Green is an eighty one and a half percent free
throw shooter as well as an elite three point shooter.
And I think he had taken twelve threes in the game,
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so it's not like it's the first time that he
shot the basketball. He makes one makes the first one,
miss the second one. He missed the second one badly,
and like, wait, aren't all misses the same? No, if
you miss to the left, and for an elite shooter
to miss left, ooh, that's a Frankly, that's probably a joke, right,
and eighty one and a half percent free throw shooter
(02:39):
usually when they miss, it's felt like it should go
in that one didn't. So it's a seven point game
and the Pacers come up the court and step into
a logo three. Stepped into a logo three. Now we'll
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talk about the idea of analytics and when you foul
and what you do, but when you're up seven with
thirty five seconds to go, the only way you lose
those games is two things. One giving up three point shots.
Actually there's three ways you give up three points in
a possession in any way, and ones and threes. And secondly,
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you can't turn the basketball over. And it was all
three of those deals. Here's Doc Rivers on the late turnovers.
Just those final two turnovers.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
What do you see on both those plays?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Just bad turnovers. Obviously, I thought we put them in
the right place, got the ball in bound. Yeah, I mean,
we just turned the ball over. So it's not a
lot to be said. Having said that, that two of
them was the guy that saved us. So, I mean,
GT was freaking amazing tonight for us. But I thought
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the turnovers obviously were huge, and the two of the
three were were really unforced.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, I mean it's just it was that was as
bad as anything I've ever seen So the first thing
is you give up a kind of a walk in
step into it. Logo three. It's a deep, deep shot.
It's a deep shot. But you can't give up open threes.
You have to have to have to be run guys
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off the line, make them make twos in traffic, okay,
and do not foul. They didn't. The Bucks make a three, okay,
Now it's a it's a four point game. You could
actually foul despite the fact you're up seven points. Because
you foul, it limits them the most they can score.
If you're a good rebounding team, the most you can
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score is two. And then you get fouled. You go
to the yout a line you make even if you
make one out of two, still a two possession, two
three pointers game. You can foul again and again and again.
That's one way to win game. But instead they barely
guard an open Logo three, and it becomes a four
point game. The Bucks then struggle to get the ball
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in bounds, which is weird. You should have full court
inbound plays. They call time out, they advance the ball
to mid court. That's when they get into Gary Trent
and he's wide open, has a layup instead, holds the
ball and does what I call turtling, which is you
kind of crouch over the ball and then tries to
throw the ball back to the inbounder, turns the basketball
over instead of being aggressive, dribbling it out of it,
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making them voulu you. Gary Trent Junior is an elite
elit shooter. He's an eighty five percent free throw shooter,
and yet he was getting rid of the ball like
he was a fifty five percent free throw shooter. Then
Tyrese Haliburton drives in and aj Green, who's not a
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great defender but gets called uh, gets called for an
and one, and now it's a one point game, and
again they call time out. They throw it in and
Gary Trent Junior drops the ball out of bounds and
Giannis gives up a straight line drive for a layup.
My look, we lost games in really difficult fashion this year.
You know, and anyone who's coached or anyone who's played,
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you see pieces of Yeah, Oakland, eighteen seconds to go
up five, last game of the year at home. We
made aggressive mistakes, but mistakes right forced an airball, They
throw it out, hit a three, they press us, We
go along. Freshman goes in to dunket, which I liked
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him doing. I wish he just would go into dunk
but make the layup. He makes one out of two
free throws. We foul up three, but we're a terrible
rebounding team and we don't box out. We get pushed around.
They make the first miss, the second lay the ball
in and we don't score. And then in overtime we
screwed some things up. We end up losing by two
or four. But considering who you have in your team,
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the magnitude of the game, how well the Bucks played,
how how good a free throw shooters most of their
team is, and the way in which they lost that game,
that game was lost, not one lost by the Milwaukee Bucks.
But I'm also not really and we'll talk about this
in the podcast Chase du People are reluctant to use
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the seaword. By seaword, I mean choke. Why is that?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I don't know. I need to explain to me. There
was a time on a show that I used to
work on where it seemed like at least like once
a week we'd call an athlete at choker. And now
it's like people dance around it. They use like qualifying language,
and they're all sensitive about it. I don't know, maybe
the country has softened a little bit.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Sam, Are you offended when you hear the choke word?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
No?
Speaker 5 (07:47):
No, I think I'm still part of the sports generation
that hurt it regularly. And sometimes that's what it is.
I mean, you know, there's sometimes you're quitting and then
when you choke though, you're like trying to win the game,
but it just all goes to pieces and falls apart,
and it's here.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Here's Charles Barkley sending up the highlights afterwards.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Look at this Milwaukee was one eighteen, one eleven with
four seconds to go.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Gary Trentz had a huge game, but he's turned it
over twice in.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
The closing seconds.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And look at Tyrese Halliburton drive down one Hord.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Come on, man, now call one. I don't like to
use the word cho but I look at choke Dad,
Come on man, Yeah, it was a choke. It was
It was a choking. It was a bad one. I
don't know how you get over that, like a series,
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a season coming to an end. On those plays, I
don't that one. Those ones hurt and considering it very
well could be the last of Jannis and Janie gets
beat on the game winning drive. And also, Jannis is
such a poor free throw shoot that you're not going
to throw the ball to him late, right where most
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all of the greatest NBA players we can think of,
they demand that basketball late and they try and get
a and they hit the free throws late. That's the
difference team Jordan and Bird. You know, Lebron did make
I think the game winning free throws in Game seven
against against the Warriors, but he's been a little bit
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of a sketch free throw shooter, nothing to the level
of Giannis. Put an awful way to end your season,
and what a great way for the Pacers to find
a way to win. But that one was hard to watch.
Dan Byer, give me your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I was wondering when you get to me, boy.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Well you're not on screen, and so I was. I
have been.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
But that's okay, are you no.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Your anchor studio is not on screen?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Oh well I was. It's okay, It's all good. I
was waiting waiting for the host to arrive.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
No, my thing, my thing, my just so you know,
we're on our YouTube channel so you can you can
check it out. My thing was because I hadn't there
you go because your screen wasn't on. I thought that
was the telltale sign of Dan is busy. Right now,
don't go to Dan.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Well, first of all, it starts with the twenty point
lead in the first quarter, so you've eliminated that. Then
you're able to stave off this Pacers comeback that has
them take the lead, and you actually have a chance
at the end of regulation to win it. But for
some reason, Yannis feels that a fadeaway baseline jumper from
nineteen feet is the best option to try to try
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to win that basketball game. That's to me, like where
it started, with everything built up from act. They were
up thirty three to thirteen in the first quarter, like
it was. Things were going great, and then it slowly
dies away and I felt that they had every reason
to lose in overtime, and then Gary Trent plays out
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of his mind and the entire the entire breakdown them.
I want to harpdug on them not having a timeout
with a second left, because there even the inbounds passed
that Giannis threw to Gary Trent. It's like a seventy
five footer, like you don't even chuck it down court
to try to.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Why why did that portis was all the way down
the court throw it to port it?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, I don't I don't understand. But they had to
use their final timeout because they couldn't inbound it when
they couldn't inbound it at half court anyway, you know,
like it was that was like the frustrating thing about it.
And you're right, like with the situation on when it
was how things laid out seven point lead, You're like, Okay,
there's really only one way that they could lose this game,
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a couple of threes, even like if the Bucks make
their free throws in a situation, You're like, Okay, there
could be an outside chance maybe Indiana could, but just
the lack of defense on the Haliburton two drives or
the thirty three footers, I mean they thirty three foot
that I think Nemhart hit. This has been a theme
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throughout the series. They just they weren't defending the three
point shot. And to your point of not using the
correct strategy and not fouling or just not guarding in
that situation, like a two in that situation up seven
isn't going to necessarily kill you, three keeps them alive,
three point play, the whole deal, Every single piece of
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it was awful. And the worst part about it, Doug
is I think as Bucks fans were watching that, we
kind of know what the future is that you've talked about.
We talked about it yesterday, but last night was that
possibility of, you know what, they were pretty good down
the stretch when Damian Lillard wasn't there. Maybe you go
back to Milwaukee, win that game, and you have a
(12:44):
Game seven and who knows what could happen. It had
you at least believing again and they weren't. Were're going
to win the NBA title, but they sucked you in
only to rip your heart out as it's just about
to fall. Like I was waving the white flag before
the game. I thought they were probably gonna lose Game five,
and they ultimately did. Just never ever thought it would
be in that fashion.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
That fashion was incredible. Those ones are hard, and what's
crazy about it is, you know, we're gonna look back
and look at these series, you know, ten years from now,
I'm like, oh, well it was you know, wasn't crazy competitive.
It was four games to one. But the reality is
that was a game they had won several times over
you know, several times, yes, and and there was two
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others that they lost that they very easily could have
won as well. So, you know, I get that. At
the end of the day, we go it's the old
Bill parcels. You are what your record says you are,
but that record is not telling of how competitive that
series is was. And and then you factor in Lillard
probably out for at least a year. What that does
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to Jannie, how that goes forward? What do you do
with Giannis, you know, moving forward? What do you do
with the with the coach moving forward? Like all of
these things are now massive questions that would have still
been questions in the offseason, But I think you would
have had a better overall feeling. If the team wins
last night, maybe they win, you know, they win at
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home Force a game seven, And now if you lose,
you're like, hey, they're still fighting for Doc, They're still
very cohesive, They're not that far away. They figure out
the lither thing. Now it's like now you got to
blow it up.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah it is. And it's crazy to see what the
Pacers have done to them. You know, Jhanni is mentioning
that he's won a championship like this. This goes back
to playing tournament last year Like this is where this.
I mean, they're in the same division, so they play often.
But first round series last year they played this year,
play in tournament the year before. For some reason, the
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Pacers are just in their heads a little bit like
Miami was in knocking them out. But why are you
that mentally weak to allow a team like that to
get in your head? That's my problem. I got a
lot of problems, but that's one of the problems.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You got nine to nine problems and the bucks are won.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
That's true. There you go, It's accurate.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
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want your your opinion here. You your son's you know young,
so I have a teenage son, DJ, I know you
have teenage sons as as well. Dane Jeremiah joints us
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from the NFL Network and uh move the six podcast. Look,
if you're Jeff Ulbrich, I mean, obviously it's a bad look.
You feel bad as well. But one hundred thousand dollars
feels really really steep. Am I wrong buyer?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I think it's it is for him. I think that
it's warranted though, considering this is confidential information that and
you have to look like you made a stand, So
I think it's warranted.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Okay, there's been the other pranks, even this one, and
going back to last year, and no one's been chased down.
It feels like this is maybe more Schador Sanders centric.
Daniel Jeremiah joins us, we don't need to talk about
what I mean. Obviously, if your son does it, you
go crazy. One hundred thousand dollars feel steep to me,
just does Dejeb.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
That's a lot of lawns he's going to have to
mow to help pay out. One off for Pops, but
I do kind of agree with the message being sent.
This was just kind of a bigger message, and it
wasn't I mean, there was a lot of other people
that got hit with these print calls, I know, like
Riley Leonard got hit with one amongst other people. So
(17:03):
I think it was just kind of like, hey, let's
just send a message in just so people know how.
I'm not saying this is how the Falcons are going
to handle it, but I know of other times, like
you hear stories about individuals being fined and then this
club ends up kind of making that right, if you
know what I mean, Like in the next contract, you
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kind of get a little bump and they kind of
take care of you on that stuff. So I don't
think that the Olbrick family is going to be missing
meals because of the hundred thousand dollars. Fine, but it's
definitely a message sent to the entire league that we
got to Okay, guys, we got to stop this stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Stuck gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Dana Jeremiah. Okay, DJ, what was your EVL
of Shador Sanders?
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Yeah, And I thought I thought he had he is.
I put him in that potential starter category, I meaning
he's got to just be in the right situation. But
I thought he had the ability to start because of
the toughness, accuracy, you know, decision making, all that stuff. Good,
Like those are positives. He just not a big guy.
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He doesn't have a huge arm, he's not a great athlete.
He's not a trasy player. So that's gonna first of all,
that's going to limit the number of teams that you're
going to fit. Right, you got to be a point guard,
like a crew point guard style of quarterback, and so
when you have a limited number of pools, you start
there and then you go through the process and you're
not really wanting to go through the whole process with
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all the different teams. And there's teams that was talking
to people that said, hey, if you weren't in the
top seven, you weren't going to get Really he wasn't
giving you the time of day. Like he completely limited
himself by kind of the way he handled the process.
So I think there's a lot of reasons that come
together into why he ended up going where he went.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Okay, but again, talent wise, where would you have been.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Comfortable talent wise, that would have been comfortable on the
you know, he's a bottom first second round player, Like,
that's where my grade was with him. You know, I
think that was, you know, a legitimate place for him
to go and then you know, you go, once you
get beyond that first little wave, then now you're going
to really start to fall because there's no middle class
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with quarterbacks. I thought he was bottom tier upper class,
which puts you in the twenties thirties, is kind of
where Migrade put him. But once you get out of that,
there's just you're not gonna You're not going to find
people in that middle tier. They're just going to say, oh,
you're either in the top tier or you're in the next,
you know, tier, which is going to put you in
the fourth, fifth round.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
How does he compare to Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
His tape's more impressive than Dylan Gabriel's. Dylan Gabriel's you know,
he's undersized guy who makes you know, really good decisions.
You talk about some of the same strengths, but I
mean it's a lot, it's a lot underneath and over
the top, a lot of intermediate stuff, which is kind
of where the game is played. I think you see
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Schador make a lot more bros in that range than
you do see with Gabriel. I think Gabriel to me
was a you know, he's going to be a valuable backup,
who's a great dude, who's going to serve the starter,
and who can have a long career in that In
that role, you know, you think about guys that are
kind of limited skill set wise, in size wise, Guys
(20:24):
like case Keenum, you know that have hung around in
the NFL for a long time. That's kind of what
I would put him in that vein.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, professional backup, yep, that's what he is. So but
you've also, like you've been in this league as a scout,
you cover this league for years now. How does that work?
They got Flacco, they have Gabriel, they have obviously have Shador,
they have Kenny Pickett, and then they still have Deshaun
(20:51):
Watson's contract. You know, how does it work?
Speaker 7 (20:55):
I think Flacco is going to be on the team
and he's probably the most likely Week one, and they're
going to let the other three duke it out for
two spots. With Picket and the two rookies. I would
say it's highly unlikely that a third round pick is
going to get cut just because you don't feel good
about that. It doesn't look good. So that would mean,
you know, Gabriel has a good opportunity there. And then
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you start coming down to Shaduur versus Kenny Pickett. If
it's close, Chador will get you know, we'll get the
nod because he's younger, he's cheaper, all those things. So
to me, that's kind of the competition to keep an
eye on all these quarterbacks. Just it's going to be
Kenny Pickett versus shud Or Sanders to see who makes
the team. And Shadoor Sanders just needed to be close.
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I think Kenny Pickett probably has to knock him out
to win to win his job.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's crazy, Uh, really interest stuff. Okay, whose draft? Did
you really really like? I love?
Speaker 7 (21:51):
What Patriots? Did you know? I really did? I thought
that if you were Drake May coming into the draft,
you knew, gosh, I need a lot of hell I
need you know, stuff all over the place. Our offense
didn't have anything really to work with this last year,
and you go out and you get trade Gahn Henderson,
who I loved, is a back who's someone who can
catch the heck out of it, is also going to
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be a really good, you know, pass protector, one of
the best that's come out in a long time. So
you take that, you get him in the mix. Will Campbell.
People can debate him on what the upside is. What
is debatable is he's a heck of a lot better
option than what they were playing with last year. So
you've you've upgraded left tackle. You've got me a valuable
weapon out of the backfield. Then you go out and
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you get Kyle Williams, the receiver from Washington State who
I thought was he was in the fifties on my list.
I think they got him in the third round. He's
going to have a chance to play right away. And
they got an athletic center, the most athletic center in
the draft, and Jared Wilson out of Georgia. So that's
a lot of pieces to go help Drake May which
I thought was probably the quarterback that needed the most
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help from this draft, and I thought he got it.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Stug gott Leap Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
give me somebody strap who.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
You didn't like, you know, Cincinnati, I just you know
they got some good players, but you know, I didn't
know that the value was always there with where they
were picking. Demetri Snight's a good player, but he's a
twenty five year old linebacker with some you know, some
coverage limitations. I just don't think you needed to take
him in the second round. So you know, that one
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was a little bit of a little bit of a
head scratcher. Shamar Stewart is, you know, his upside play
because he's got all the traits but doesn't have any
production coming out of Texas A and M. So that's
you know, your your first pick. I always like to
have that first pick just be a double off the
wall Doug where there's no you know, no risk, and
to me, just with the lack of production, there's a
(23:46):
little bit of concern there. So the Bengals won. It's
not that they're bad players. I just didn't love the
value where they got guys.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
No, no, I I completely understand that any idea if
Aaron Roers is going to play football.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Next year, I mean it sure seems like it. I
Mean we had Tom went on and he didn't want
to talk about it, but it was almost like a
a kind of a sparkle in his eye that you
could see he was thinking that was that was coming
in the future. Here. They sure acted like the way
they drafted that they anticipated they were going to get
someone to come into the quarterback room. So yeah, I
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mean I would I don't know anything if you can
do anything higher than sixty percent on guessing what Aaron
Rochers is going to do, but I'd say sixty forty.
I'll go sixty forty that he's going to play there.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, what you had. Part of the Shador
thing that's kind of disappointing is we don't we haven't
had a we haven't flushed out the cam Ward fit
what they're building in Tennessee. Here we can what are
your expectations for cam Ward in terms of fit with
(24:53):
the offense, what the personnel around him looks like, and
what we should look for in year one?
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Yeah, I mean, I think they've got a lot more
work to do around him. I think when you look
at him, though, and you stack him up in the
division and you look at C. J. Stroud, you look
at Trevor Lawrence, just from a talent standpoint, I think
he can go toe to toe with those guys. So
that's exciting to me that you've got someone with some
real upside there. So I think that's, you know, that's
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going to be big for the future. I just you know,
the offensive line, they did their best to address it.
Dan Moore from Pittsburgh, I thought many I overpaid him
a little bit, but you could say they upgraded Zeitler,
who they got to veteran guard I got. You know,
they've got some solid pieces, but I don't know that
that's a top you know, top half of the league
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offensive line. And then receiver wise, I love Ridley. Ridley's
talented guy. They drafted a couple of guys and UH
and DK and a omannor from from Stanford who are
just kind of three four type guys. I don't know.
I mean, to me, it's like you've got Calvin Ridley
in a bunch of threes and fours. They he's gonna
need more weapons, you know. That's it's kind of similar
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to the discussion we just had with Drake. I think
his rookie year is going to be similar to Drake
in that you'll see the you'll see the talent that
he's going to have, but you're going to end the year,
you'd be like, oh my gosh, they got to get
this kid a lot of help.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Daniel Jeremiah joining us here on Fox Sports Radio The
Doug Gottlieb Show. Daniel, Doug's having some technical difficulties, So
what we're going to need me to care.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Let's talk Padres Giants right now.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Let's do Padres just jumped out to a one nothing lead.
I know, Jason Stewart's probably well, actually, it's kind of
a tough one today with the Giants being the Padres opponent.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
So yeah, the enemy of your enemy is your friend. Yes,
he actually likes the Padres.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And then you add a very complicated thing for me.
Dan and I are in this really cool Survivor league
where you pick a team a week. I picked the
Giants this week. So I'm definitely rooting against the Pods
today for more than one reason. And it puts for
the predicament I think we I mean, look.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
Hey, where my goal is just kind of hang around,
and then I think we're about a week away from
getting Meryll and cronin Worth back. We just got to
rise back, like we're gonna start getting healthy and uh,
and it's gonna be a fun summer. The NLST it
is absolutely loaded.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
It's amazing. It sends the Rockies, but yeah those Tops.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
Yeah wow, Yeah that's tough one. But I mean think
about these like the Diamondbacks, the Giants, that the Dodgers,
the Padres, all of those teams playing each other all
summer long. It's gonna be a great series. The Diamondbacks
are good and they're what like four and a half
games back or something like that already, Like they're it's
a stack division. Doug doesn't ever come back. We'll just
do pottery.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
No, no, we're not doing PODU. I'm right here. We're
not doing any pod talk. We're not doing any Padres talk.
Stop trying to stop trying to change the topic. We
we want to talk football because Jay Stu will cut
your mic if you keep talking about baseball. Because I
just figured.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
I just figured you had a five star on campus
or something right now. And you're like, oh, he just
got here. I got a scoot. You know, I thought
you were ditching me.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I really appreciate you stop by our event on Tuesday night,
even though you were told not to do so. Uh,
we tried not to get you in trouble. Thanks for
being our guests as well.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
Oh you're the best, budd.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I appreciate you all right, Stan and Jeremiah joining us
here on the Doug Goatlip Show on Fox Sports Tradio.
Just again, I'm not trying to get him in trouble,
but I mean, here's how good a duty is. So
we had an event, uh fundraiser, Frank Caliendo, Dan Patrick, myself,
Kyle Rudolph stopped by, who else, A couple, a couple
others stop by, and I had DJ had said like,
(28:29):
I can make it, you know, go ahead and tell people.
And then the NFL networks like your overwork too many
people were asking, no, we shut you down, and DJ's like, okay,
I'm just gonna steak in. And he was up there
for like an hour answering questions and it was it
was pretty cool.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
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Speaker 1 (28:54):
Why Up with You Dog Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Hey,
we do the Midway every Wednesday, middle, middle of the day,
middle of the show, right because we had the one
hour podcast that follows this, and it's usually a discussion
where something outside of the realm, sometimes the sports, sometimes
it's not. It could be music, it could be whatever.
(29:15):
I thought I had the right topic. And then Jay
s dou just kind of goes buzzkill on me because
he's like, yeah, everybody's talked about that topic. So Jay Stu,
if you have a better one, you feel free, Dan
Byer Sam, I'll let you guys sort of decide. But
I like the one hundred one hundred men versus the
(29:38):
gorilla discussion that has been on the internet. And I
wasn't aware of it, only because you know, my algorithm
is all portal news and basketball, basketball basketball stuff. But
my son and I we're hanging out this weekend and
he's like, hey, Dad, have you seen the big internet
question of the weekend? I was like, no, but I
(29:59):
have no. He's like, it's a gorilla versus one hundred men?
Who wins? Right? And Jay Stu, your your whole thing
is everybody's done that. Now we're at like Tuesday because
everybody's done it one days. That makes it played out.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Well, it's Wednesday?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Is it Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And people have been doing it all week I want
to say our own Cadino and Rich did it at
least Monday or Tuesday, but that tracks. It was all
over my timeline the past twenty four hours. So I
just thought we were await to the party. But I'm
willing to do it. I got takes.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I think if you have takes and I have takes,
it's a good one. So let's get to the midway.
He's not getting the middle. It's time for the.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Do we have any Do we have any understanding of
who started this one hundred men versus guerrilla argument?
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I don't. I'm not sure where it originated from.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Sam No, I don't. Maybe the TikTok somewhere.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
The TikTok you said, Like, Sam, you're a little bit
younger than us saying the TikTok. Maybe that sounds like
Donald Trump, Like I lose the TikTok, the the tictac
or Joe Biden's that was on the TikTok.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
That's where the dumb things start. It's on Instagram or
the TikTok.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, well last week it was the ice bucket challenge
thing or but we'd already done that. That's like five
years ago. We did the ice bucket challenge for als.
Now somebody like we got to come up. We don't
necessarily need to top it, don't need to jump off
a bridge or something, but it should be something different
than ice Buckett.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Anyway, shot gpt says this starter than twenty twenty two.
The recent popularity can be traced back to a post
by on former Twitter by dream Chasing Mike, where you
suggested that one hundred dedicated humans could pot to actually
win a single gorilla fight. As reported by The New
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York Times.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Is dream Chasing Mike a famous guy on on the
TikTok or the the X.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
He might be an egg with three followers.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
He might be, he will be.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Various iterations have kind of popped up over the last
few months, Like Covin and Rich were talking about how
many steven A's could it take to take down Lebron,
So there's like this, how many of one thing could
take down another thing. I also see these weird kind
of simulations in my reels on social media where it's
like a thousand dragons versus like a million orcs from from.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Lord of the Ring.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
So it's like these random like I don't even know
why people or assist with this stuff that.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I don't either, but I do like this. I think
I'm guessing Jay Stu and I have the same philosophy.
But let's go. Let's start with Dan. Okay, Dan, when
did you become First of all, when did you become
aware of the one hundred men versus gorilla?
Speaker 7 (32:59):
Time?
Speaker 4 (33:00):
It was Sunday or Monday? Yeah, yes, yes, right time?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Okay, and immediately what'd you think?
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I didn't put much thought to it. Actually it wasn't
necessarily in my wheelhouse. But for the sake of this argument,
I have thought about it. I've thought about a lion
versus a wild pack of hyenas, because I think that's
that's somewhat of a fair comparison if you're trying to
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do a one versus ten or twenty.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I actually think that's a really, really good one. Yes,
I'll tell you why after you finished, but go ahead.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
So the thing is is, I think that the sheer
number of men or humans is jarring. But like, in
no way would you have a hundred of them fighting
at the same time. You couldn't get that many punches in.
There would just be too many people. So my first
thought is how many can you send in initially to
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make a dent to wound or limit the gorilla without
completely wasting the rest of the backup around. So out
of one hundred, like you, you can't even put fifty guys.
There's not enough. There's not enough room there to do damage.
So then I'm wondering, Okay, ten is ten enough or
(34:19):
would the gorilla wipe out the ten immediately? And then
it just becomes around. That's where I started to think
of how do you how do you end up doing this?
How do you have enough men or women to make
an initial initial attack to at least slow down the
gorilla to make any headway in the matter.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
See, I thought you meant with the hyenas, because the
key to the hyenas is they tire out. They wait
for the lion to get tired, right, They wait till
they just circle and circle and circle and nip and okay, yeah,
and then you know the lionel the lion will Now,
the lion does not do as much damage as the
gorilla will do. Right, because the girl that can just
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pull your arm right off.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
It really has opposable thumbs and can grab your head
and rip it off.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yes, so in many ways, the girl is more dangerous
than a lion. On the other hand, you have the
intellectual capabilities of man, which we think are better. So
Jayce du this is probably what you're thinking, because this
is what I'm thinking, right, is I want to be
dude ninety seven through one hundred, right, but I want
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to be the guy who and because I'm a coach,
I can be the strategy guy, but I can stay
out of the front.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
The first You're like, at the end, you're like.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
No, no, no, I'm in the back. What point you guys
we're using the first ten, first ten to fifteen. Those
are all those guys that are like UFC dude who
thinks like I got this, I got this right. There's
a let's roll guy who thinks like this is his
nine to eleven sort of moment. I'm going to stand
up for mankind. Like those guys those first fifteen. They
(35:58):
go in and and one their goal is they are
there for us to observe what the weaknesses of said
gorilla are. And they're but they're mostly there for them
to tire out the gorilla, because at some point the
grill is going to get tired, and that's what we
got to strike or that's when everybody else has to
strike and I can direct them in a strike case too.
(36:19):
Is that is that anywhere near what you were thinking?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Kind of?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
But I guess, I guess I'm just clarify the entire
thing here. Okay, is are we picking which one's gonna win?
Or are we coming up with reasons how the humans
will win.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
How the humans would win, because otherwise you think that
I mean, one on one or one on five, the
gorilla the silverback is gonna win.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Can I just say state for the record, I think
one hundred men gets.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
It done easily.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I don't know easily.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
I think I think hold on here.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
No, here's here's the problem. Okay, if it's a real gorilla,
you really go after a gorilla, there's going to be
at least these twenty guys that can't handle the fact
that he's gonna rip somebody's head off.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
But are like, are we literally count mentality or is
this like this girl that has to be defeated or
else we all die? Like we get sent off, we get.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Lots of guys are sitting there going like, hey, I
don't want to, but I do it. You know, we're
gonna put three cargo. We'll we'll go do it right.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
It's like Brave Heart the front of the line, those
guys like we got.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Here's no, here's what, Here's here, here's my thing. Okay.
To answer your question, Sam is, have you ever seen
the show What would you Do?
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
What would you do? And the the for people haven't
seen it. The premise of it is like a baby's
in a stroller and it's rolling down a hill and
you're sitting there at a cafe and you see it
rolling by. Normally you'd think I just I grab the
baby and keep them going. But as they show you,
lots of people react poorly when they say see things happening.
(38:01):
So every guy, yes, every guy is like, dude, I'd
be fine, right, I'll be all right, Like, yeah, the
gorilla is gonna throw some people around, but I'll be
smart and I'll avoid it. Okay, But have you ever
actually seen somebody's head ripped off of their body? I
have not.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
I have not not yet.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Okay, Well, when you see somebody's head ripped or arm
limb ripped off of your body involuntarily, many people are
going to throw up, pass out or beer poop their pants.
So I think that's the reality of it. I still
think that man could pull it off, but it would
take a sensible attack. You have to some people would
(38:41):
have to be sacrificed. Sorry, guys.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
It has waves, the waves the front.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
And this is where the the hyena was the right
one because hyenas they just they want to tire you out,
tire you out, and eventually the silver back gets tired out.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Because that's I think. I thought, that's why this whole
thing has been lasting for a few days, is that
it's fifty to fifty. Right, there are people making the
case that the gorilla wins fifty to fifty. So if
you're asking me who's going to win, humans are going
to win for a similar reason, Doug said. But I'm
also going to make references to two key wars in
(39:24):
our history. Russia won World War Two, and I know
that's controversial with people because we're supposed to hate Russia.
I know our history books probably tell us we want it.
But Russia won World War Two why because they had
ten times more troops, ten times more people to slaughter
than Germany did. They overwhelmed them with numbers. If you
(39:47):
go back to the Civil War. I think it was
General George mccle McClellan who told Lincoln at some point,
we've been fighting these battles with one hand tied behind
our backs, why don't we just send ten times more
guys into these battles. That's why I think we would
beat the.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Gorilla just a sheer mass of numbers and strength. I mean,
if you're gonna send five guys to latch onto each
arm of the gorilla, you're gonna try to and I
know that gorilla could probably whip those guys around. If
you put enough guys, you can fit enough guys on
each arm, you're gonna weigh down that gorilla. And then
he can't use his most valuable weapon, his resoarch, which
(40:26):
is the strength of his arms and his hands. I mean,
he can bite you, but if you keep his head
and face away from other guys, then that's not gonna
be a problem. But I agree with Jason and the
reason why the Americans won the Revolutionary War is because
they stopped lining up in lines like the British did,
who had numbers, and just marched straight out at the conflict.
(40:47):
They would they actually no pun intended employed gorilla tactics
by hiding and doing be more strategic instead of just
marching full mass into the bloody conflict.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah, I mean, I get it. I do.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
I think the I think the humans win pretty easily.
There'll be some, there'll be some some bloodshed and some.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Gold and the human I don't think the humans win.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Out of one hundred. Yes, you're saying though, that some
of them are gonna chicken out, which okay, let's say fifteen.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
It's not gonna chicken out like it's not.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Yes, there'll be some people that will run.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
There were some people that will run for the hills.
There was people that will be physically ill. There will
be some, there'll be there will be at least, you know,
five or ten that get clipped. When a gorilla grabs
one human throws that human takes out another human, right
like kind of the bowling ball sort of philosophy. I
don't think you understand the strength and power of a
(41:41):
silver backed gorilla and how it compares to and and
their level of intelligence.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
They are strong, very strong. We're talking about we're talking
about like if you had five to ten men going
at each limb, or five men, you can't fit that
many grill Like Dan said, you can't see that many
girls around, but you you sent and then you start
gouging its eye, you start kicking it in the crotch maybe,
and you start punching it in the pelvis, and I
think that that girl is going to wear down after
about thirty forty men.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
To Jason's point of who wins, I think on the surface,
one hundred versus one is pretty easy. Yeah, but the
gorilla has basically one plan, and there could be a
variety of plans for the humans, and so many of
those could yeah, could go awry.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, And I actually think there's an expression my best
lay plans of mice and men off and go a
rye Yes.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Yeah, you could have Jordan Hudson just stand on the
outside and talk for a while and then maybe a
little the just ends it himself a little.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
The girlla to sleep, or he just says, I don't
want to take it.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
We're not talking about that. We're not talking about that.
It's already been discussed.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
The gorilla marches out of the interview.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I know, I know this is not the gorilla thing,
but how uncomfortable is the Jordan Hudson thing. Like so
uncomfortable again, just.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Have her there, talk his ear off. Don't want no part.
Speaker 7 (42:59):
Of it, lady than undressed ones.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
There's so Sam and Jason are on the side of humans.
I think I sided with the gorilla.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I'm with gorilla as well. Gorilla Team Gorilla. Actually, we
all actually want to see this happen.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
I don't want to see anyone's head get ripped off.
I will be and honestly, I wouldn't want to see
an animal. That's the problem, yea.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
The problem that we don't want to see animal get kill.
We don't want to get see something, but we do
kind of want to see it.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
The silverback gorilla is an endangered species if I'm not mistaken.
So it's fun, yeah, it is. It's so it's like
their habitats diminishing, like the orangutan.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I know that, I know the habitat's massion.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
I didn't know they were in nature, I'm pretty sure.
And so you want them to live their cool species.
You just want to leave them alone. You want to
give them their space, you know, which is.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Why I want to see them rip somebody's head up, because,
like have you seen the movie? Humans on some level
had to come into them.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
Have you seen the movie Congo? It kind of reminds
me of Congo, except they had like these laser guns
that they shot at the gorillas. But they're all these crazy,
like deranged yeah gorillas, and they the video games a
little before my time.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Down up, down, left, right, left right? Abba? Wasn't it?
Was it? The ulymited lives.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Chat GPT says yeah. Silverback gorillas, along with all gorilla species,
are endangered according to the International Union of Conserve, Conservation
and Nature.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Oh yeah, they're in dangered. That's because me and Dan
Byer are coming with our friends.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Better watch out. I'm on and you I would be
number one, oh one of the one hundred.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Oh I have you know? I? You know lanea Lane
Text Lane just my team, Gorilla, Lane's team Gorilla Doug.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
I I just imagine you coming in at the end
like some general after like with the beginning of Apocalypse Now,
He's like, well done, boys, you got the job done.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
No, No, I have a cigarette. I'll be Uh what
who wasn't in Apocalypse now? God? Who is the general?
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Robert Duvall?
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Robert Duvall?
Speaker 5 (44:58):
It was like spell that love, the smell in Nate
palm in the morning. Who's our verse surf?
Speaker 1 (45:04):
That smell No, he says, that smell the gasoline smell.
Snay Pop. Love the smell of a palm in the morning,
smells like smells like victory. I love the smell of
play palm in the morning.
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