May 20, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug and the crew talk about the importance or lack of importance of international NFL games. Doug previews the Western Conference Finals. Doug welcomes long-time basketball analyst and former coach Dan Dakich onto the show to talk about Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese and the Eastern Conference Finals. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through The Press.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome in Hope. You're having a great day.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
It's a Tuesday. It's the first day of the Western
Conference Finals. We will get to that. Hey, Dano, I
wanted to follow up on something I just heard on
your update where you said that Roger Goodell said in
the next five years they're going to work towards sixteen
games overseas, sixteen international, yes, international games, sixteen weeks sixteen
games or sixteen.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Weeks sixteen games, so you could have some in the
same weeks happening. So we know they're going to Australia
next year they've gone to Brazil's meaning twenty twenty six
they're going to be in Australia. Spain Madrid gets a
game in twenty twenty five. That's new. Germany is hosting games.
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London has hosted about three or four games a year
for a while. Now Mexico City is going to be
back in the fold, so there are a lot of
different different options for the Mexico City.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
One is amazing because remember they lost that game because
the surface I think as Techa Stadium in Mexico City
and instead that game was played at the La Coliseum
in what I think will forever go down as one
of the most enjoyable football games most of us have
watched because there was very little defense, right, that was
(01:38):
the Chiefs versus the Rams.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
The other part to it though, and I hate to
agree with Jason Stewart because he's such a curmudgeon with
his the sky is following everything as bad opinions. But
he's right, like that is not good news for the
quality of football, right, I mean, it's just not. The
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reality is you can't you can't fly to Australia and
expect guys to perform at nearly the level to perform.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Stateside on a one off game.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
And it's where, don't get me wrong, playoffs run the
up and up NFL still and they they these guys
are brilliant with the business model. Right, I've said this before.
What they're doing now by exporting the NFL is they're
creating different TV windows then previously existed, right, So everybody
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gets charged a fee for their TV window. And they
were previously they were fighting over the you know, one
o'clock and the four o'clock Sunday start time, and then
you had Thursday night, and you got Sunday night, and
you got Monday night. And now you throw international games
and they're all over and so you can one bid
out those, you can multiple bid. You got Netflix, Amazon,
they can put them on whatever, like it's brilliant, but
(02:55):
you know it's not. It's not great for the sport
in terms of the quality of play because as that
travel just beats you up and it takes away from
the the quality of competition. Which this is where I'm
giving it up to Jase Do because Jason has said
this is last year's NFL season was like the upa
Zoropa zupa Jason, which is at Zerra.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Yeah, I've said the last two seasons I've been in
that the but you're conflating two takes. Yes, the quality
of play has gotten worse. I don't think anyone even
disputes that anymore. But I I just don't understand what
international play does for me. Why am I getting excited?
You just laid out what how it behooves the NFL.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You don't, it's not for you. It's like when my dad.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It's like when my dad used to watch Colin on
sports station, Like I don't like that show.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
That's not for you. It's for it's for money, right,
and those areas it doesn't then why why do we anybody?
Speaker 6 (03:57):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Anybody like if you're in Spain, you're in Australia, there's
a looking lou that drives up ticket prices. And that's
why you created extra games you already had. You already
had a set number of games in your lease with
the stadium, So that's not affected. Whoever has the one
game over at home now all of a sudden, they
could lose that game and people don't complain about losing
a game. And it's just it's just revenue maker and
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it spreads the sport, that's all. It's about the sport,
and it's about people who are expatriots or trying to
teach Aussie's or Germans or English people Englishmen about football
and bring him to an event, it does nothing for you.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
We heard Travis Kelcey just recently say that he's going
to Brazil and help play it, but he's not excited
about it. I'm guessing a lot of the players share
that they just can't. They don't have the gravitass of
Travis kelce to admit it on a popular podcast, as
opposed to his.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Bye week when he went for the Taylor Swift Tour.
Remember that one.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, we pointed that out. I think you're off, Dan,
and I gave it up to you for pointing that
out that.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh now he'll go begrudgingly when he went, he was
fine bye week.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Go back to years ago.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I can understand if the NFL is like, we want
to have games in London, We're gonna play a game
in Ireland this year with the Steelers and Vikings playing.
We're gonna do Madrid, We're gonna do Germany. Because maybe
there's a plan for like Europe in the future of
somehow or some sort of league or something down the road.
But the one offs of Brazil of Australia. If you
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go back to Japan, they used to play preseason games
in Japan. If you go there. I mean, like, it's
those one offs that I don't necessarily understand. They haven't
gone to Mexico City again for the previous couple of years,
but I would have to think that's in their plan
if they're gonna put sixteen games. But I just don't.
(05:47):
The one offs are the ones that I don't get.
I understand Europe a lot more. It's easier from my
mind to comprehend than the one offs of Brazil and Australia.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
It's crazy that they've like tripped all like the newsmakers
and the people that all the influencers to promote it
like they're actually promoting it as if it behooves the
viewer or the.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Like who they tricked specifically.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
The NFL has tricked everyone who's covered the sport into
doing their posts every time there's a game in a
different country. Schefter and then the twenty people that are
relevant after him post that there's going to be a
game in a different country.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, but there.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Look, it's the symbiotic relationship of people who cover a
sport and the sport itself. It's why it's at least
what Schefter gets about it, what so many don't get
so many in whatever sport you know don't get about
the media is the media has a bunch of different jobs,
one of which is to promote the sport.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So I agree with you. They're carrying the water to
the league. But that's their job.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Without the NFL, they don't have a job be an
insider of a sport that does people don't care.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
About, and people clearly care about the NFL.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It is a Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's let's dabble into the Western Conference Finals. You have
two young up and coming burgeoning stars. One is Shay
Gildes Alexander. He's Canadian e One is Anthony Edwards who's
from Georgia, who played at Georgia Anthony Edwards Course and
(07:31):
Shade Gilds Hosander played at Kentucky. Oklahoma City is favored
by seven over Minnesota at home tonight and their favorite
to win the series currently at a minus three seventy five.
I don't even know what that means. I mean, I
know what it means, but I don't know how bad
the big a favorite that means that they are. But
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I do think that it's smart money tonight to get
in on Minnesota right more rested. I think think obviously
it's a very different matchup. But Minnesota comes in having
played their really two gentlemen sweeps in their last two
series against older teams. Now they take on a younger,
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deeper team. And yeah, I like Minnesota a lot tonight,
especially considering how many times we've seen the road team
come in and win that first game of these types
or the semi finals types of series. And you have
Oklahoma City coming off a seven game series which, no
matter how dominant they were from the end of the
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first half on, it still was a seventh game they
had to play. That's a lot of extra energy expended
and that's hard to dial back up.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
What an opportunity for Anthony Edwards because last year the
Western Conference Finals were not kind to him. Not only
was he gassed, but it was also the Luca Show.
And while they were competitive in those games, Luca ends
up stealing the show because of his last second heroics.
But if you're Anthony Edwards, we have a chance to
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redeem yourself from last year. He's in much better shape
this year. You can physically see it that he is.
You now have an opportunity to also take down who
we think is going to be the MVP and will
likely get his MVP trophy at some point in the series.
I would think that an announcement will happen where SGA
will be the MVP, and then with an NBA Finals
(09:29):
berth on the line, like it is an extremely profitable
series for Anthony Edwards if he can come through.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Should be? Should be?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And look, viewership is not going to be great, right,
It's just as.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Otherwise.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
We don't know who's going to win, and we've seen
playoff ratings increase this year, and I think that that
is a big portion of this. Now. I don't think
any of us would have had this final four, let
alone maybe two of the four of the teams that
are remaining. But that's also what's made it interesting is
we don't know what's going to happen in each of
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these games. And I felt that was such a downfall
in years past, especially in the Warriors cav seasons, of
you're just waiting for the finals for those teams to play.
Now we don't know what's going to happen in each series,
let alone each game, and I think that helps.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
You're right, people should watch because these are the stars
of the next ten years in the NBA. They should
watch because you don't know the outcome. They should watch
because the fan bases are incredible. They should cheer against
the Timberwolves because how could anybody like anything associated with
Alex Rodriguez period? Stop right, they should These things all
should happen. But again, I'm not saying, well, I watch
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what you watch. I'm not saying it's a good game
or not a good game. History, as our guide tells us,
smaller markets, lesser known stars just don't draw like even
old beat up teams if they're the LA Lakers or
they're the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Did you guys see where this is the first Western
Conference Finals in twenty nine years, that neither team is
in Texas or California. You have to go back to
the SuperSonics and Jazz in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Wow, the SuperSonics and Jazz in nineteen ninety six. Well
you got the SuperSonics in the thunder right. History does
repeat itself.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
On some level.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And if you want me to really make it's a
stretch Armstrong. But Rudy Gobert famously a member of the Jazz.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
So it's also a comment on the Western Conference as
well in terms of Doug to your point about ratings
and markets, it used to be that they just needed
the Lakers, and then Golden State came up and they
were a top brand. But to have that Texas triangle
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of Dallas, San Antonio and Houston, those Spurs finals, we
were like, oh man, oh geez, Spurs Pistons.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Hey, did they being credit for changing basketball? Since when
they won the title they changed the rules because it
was so boring? Isn't that they're like the reverse Steff
Curry like, you guys are so boring, We're going to
change basketball.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
This Spurs? Really, hey, we changed basketball?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
So it was what it was twenty nine years Jason,
you said nineteen ninety six? Okay, well then the Rockets
their finals appearance were in ninety four and ninety five,
so the Rockets wouldn't even be a part of that conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
No, it was non Texas in California.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Correct, Yeah, it was only but it was only. But
I'm just saying like the oh oh oh yeah. Well
oh wait, no, I'm sorry. I thought you were saying
NBA finals, So you're saying Western Conference finals, got ya, right?
That's my bad that.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
We haven't had that. That's crazy. That's it's really really interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And and I think I think Minnesota's got a great
chance to win this series. I don't think that Oklahoma
City has dominant talent.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I think it's a really good, well built team. They're
tough minded, the pieces fit together well. They have just
enough scoring punch. The more interesting as much as you're right,
it's a huge series for Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Jalen Williams. I think this is a how many people.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Nationally know who he is or that there's two Jalen
Williams on the Oklahoma City Thunder. That's that's confusing to people. Nonetheless,
but differently right spelled differently, Yeah, I had no idea.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
And that one is J. J.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Dubb. It was by J. Dubb. The other way I
think by Jay will Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
And it's the lesser I don't want to say the
lesser player because it's not fair. But the Jaleen Williams
from Marketsaw I felt was more popular because we saw
them in the tournament. And yes, but the Jalen Williams
that is starring from what Santa Clara, Yeah, Yep, he.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Has a rather large I think pittbull, my son said.
And so when he's and then when he scores, they
bark like everybody. The whole arena barks like a dog.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's what they do. They bark like a dog.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Maybe the WNBA needs to do an investigation.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I think so. I think so. I definitely think so.
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quick question. Oklahoma City four uniforms? Maybe five?
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Favorite and least favorite?
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
They get the white, the blue, the black, the orange,
and then I'm sure there's a city one that I
don't know about.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I've never been a fan of theirs, and the NBA
is cracking down on these teams. They will now there
will be no more wacky uniforms. Warned they're going with
their pretty much basic ones. Pacers put out a post
of saying the uniform that they're going to wear throughout
I've never liked the Oklahoma City color scheme because there's
just too many colors in it. I guess blue is
the predominant one. But when you have five different colors,
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you can wear different uniforms. But I do like their
blues more than more than I guess any other uniforms.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So you know what they try to do there, right?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
No, So okay, so I think it's like blue and
a little yellow. So they have the orange in the red,
which is like the Oklahoma state and Oklahoma right. So
it's like we got a little piece of it, and
you'd be amazed at how many people not happy about
the orange uniforms.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
They don't have red uniforms, right.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It's very much like your parachuting into a college area
and nobody thinks of those schools when they're watching the games.
But I think it was one of those let's try
and please everybody and you end up pleasing nobody.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Well, buddy, they don't really have a red because.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It's more a little red in there.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
In there, it's more of like an it's more orange, black, yellow, white,
blue and orange. Is when I looked at the close.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Up, Yeah, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's a it's a
ready orange and the Loves.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The Love's Heart is the Red.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
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Speaker 3 (16:38):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. We'll
get the buyer's rem morse up coming after we get
to Dan's updates. So Dan's got a busy little segment here.
Speaking of Dan, we'll do all Dan's pacers take on
the Knicks, and also we have Indiana fever still in
the news.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Who better for all.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Things Indiana and all things opinion in sports to join
me in the Doug Gottlieb Show than the host of
Don't at Me on OutKick. That's Dan Dockitsch, of course,
was head coach of Bowling Green head coach at Indiana,
longtime college basket po analysts, and double D joins us
here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Let's start. Let's start.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I know this because I have a couple of friends
in Indianapolis. But again, you have your finger on the
pulse of the city, even more so than just somebody
who's an outsider with friends. How big a deal are
the Fever in the Indiana sports scene?
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Gonna be huge? They were last year. Right now, Dougie,
you know, you know paces Eastern Conference, find a lot
of history between the Knicks and the Pacers. So that's
dominating right now. But the Fever gonna be Fever. I
don't know whether this is good or bad. It's really good. Actually,
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Fever are very very good. Sophie Cunningham is a very
good player that they brought in a very attractive young lady,
and they've got a great team. I think they're going
to win the WNBA. They've got a fun team to watch. Sophie,
Lexi Hall, Kaylen, Caitlyn Clark, and Leah Boston are all
very very energetic, outgoing, fun, attractive people and that's going
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to bring viewers. And they're very good and so they're
going to be the story here big time. But right now,
Doug as we're twenty four hours or whatever, we are
away man, people people here, hey man, we love the
Knicks Pacers rivalry going way back, but Reggie, you know,
twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven years, So that's dominating
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right now. But of course, the whole nonsense with Angel
Reese and you know, the Chicago sky, you know, being
the little kid that cried wolf again is dominating a
little bit. But you know, we know that's all garbage.
And you know we moved along to the Nixon Pacers.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well before we move it along, okay.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
And I have a couple of friends who have season
tickets to the Fever and they're like, it's the demo
of that particular event is different than traditional WNBA, whereas
it's families and lots of little girls come into the
games right and a sold out arena NBA arena, whereas
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the rest of the league for years had started to
retract and go to smaller venues, and again, very very different.
How accurate is that in regard to what the crowds are, Doug, I've.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Never seen like it, Like I would tell you that
when I came back to Indianapolis after coaching Indiana and
I never saw anything like the number of pig man
in jerseys walking into a football stadium. But it's not
even close. I mean number twenty two, whether it's Fever,
whether it's Iowa, the little girls, the moms, the dads,
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you go in and right next to they've built this.
It's attached, but it's next to and it's outside of
the basketball area, kind of a kids area. And you
go to a Fever game and it is jam packed,
and I mean jam packed, like oh little girl. It's
a very cool environment. And the crowds sounds different, you
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know what I mean, Doug, Like, you know, you go
to a college campus and you got students, and that
sounds different than an NBA arena, which is you know,
more corporate whatever. And you go a Fever game, Man,
it basically sounds like twenty thousand kids have been it
let out of school and they're just gonna scream for
two hours. It's very cool. It is very, very very cool.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I bring it up because again I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Were you there Saturday?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
No, Okay, neither of us are there, right, so we
don't know. But the likelihood of multiple people shouting things
out and no one's saying anything or having them escorted
out seems a little far fetch doubled, I would argue
with zero.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
And again I said, cried wolf. We saw it last
year at the Sky you know, they said they were
accosted at a hotel after Kennedy Carter had cheap shot
at Caitlin Clark, and it turned out it was one
guy asking one question of Kennedy Carter. So the likelihood
is zero. And you know a friend of mine who
works for the Pacers Sports and Entertainment, He's like Dan,
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and this is African American guy who goes Dann. We
got a lot of African American workers ushers because you
think any of them are going to have to put
up with you know, somebody yelling racial slurs loud enough
that you know that somebody heard them on the court.
It was loud. And a guy told me that yesterday
actually as I was on my radio show, my afternoon show.
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And look, if it happened, I'll certainly be the first
to criticize whoever and whatever we need to do, But
I would say the likelihood of zero. I've saw Reese's
interview today and she's doing that old victim thing I loved,
blah blah blah. But nobody's ever saying what was said.
No one's No one's said what was said, No one's
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said what they hurt, no nobody. It's just you know,
you got beat by thirty five? Were the bullies? Caitlin
Clark dominated, and you know, the whole foul thing was
silly to meet. I think Kim English, the coach of Providence,
said it past like Twitter's successful. Caitlin Clark didn't want
to give up a bucket. She follow angel and Angelice
reacted to the hard file and we moved along. But
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not with those two, and not in this day and age. Apparently.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
No, it's Doug got leap show here on Fox Sports Trail.
All right, let's get to the Pacers. Did you think
that pressing for forty eight minutes would work when you
first saw the Pacers play? Like that'll work in the NBA, Doug?
Speaker 6 (22:58):
When I first saw the Pacers play the year, they
were horrible, and they knew they were horrible. They were
banged up, but they were horrible. In fact, people talking
about Haliburton now, he's different Haliburton than he was back
in November and December. He was terrible. Eadn't guard well.
I went to game Jokis, they made fun of him.
They posted up Christian Braun and Jochis were throwing passes
from and I'm being literally here beyond half court to
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a posting up Christian Braun and Haliburton actually addressed I
think it was a game or two later, how bad
he's been. He had zero toughness. He had kind of
lived off of He had a good year the year before,
good ending, maybe the Olympic team all that, and he
kind of lived off that and he straightened himself out.
And even the announcers. Mark Boyle is a good friend.
(23:42):
He comes on my show and he's like, look, Haliburton's
gonna either have to guard or this pacer team's not
going anywhere. And Haliburton has guarded. And this is what
I like about him, Doug. Now they're pressing, Now they're deep.
Now they trust everybody. You know, they go from Ben
Shephard or you know, Jarence Walker to you know, be
topping off the bench, McConnell off. They got ten guys
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they'll play and they trust them. And you know this,
I mean, you coach, you play guys because you trust them.
You don't play guys because their mom or dad yells
in the stands or you know whatever, you play. And
Rick Carlisle, this team has developed into a team that
if he wants to press for forty eight minutes, you
saw he can do that. If he doesn't want to
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you know, if he wants to go to more of
a trapping type style, which I think he's going to
do against Brunson, he can do that because he trusts
even Halliburton late in games, particularly in the Milwaukee series,
late was really good defensively. And that's something that one
person in Indiana would have told you going back to,
you know, the start of the year. So it's fun
to wat you know this. I mean a team that
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goes through some stuff all of a sudden, they don't quit,
they don't sull, they don't want, they get better. And
those are teams that do what the Pacers are doing,
which is you know, he's Conference finals again.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader, that's the
voice of Dan Dockatch. His show is called Don't at Me.
It's on OutKick It Like none of these guys, many
of these guys weren't alive when the Pacers played the
Knicks and Reggie Miller was what was Reggie Miller? How
much of the rivalry exists between the players, not just
(25:22):
the fans.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
You know, it's funny. I remember Scott Pollard played it
hands you probably played against Maybe it's not nice Elder. Yeah,
Scotty came in on my show and he's like Dan,
players don't care. He goes. Players don't remember, he goes.
You don't think. And I always think about it like this.
I went to college in nineteen eighty one, eighty two.
I didn't know what happened twenty five years before, Like
(25:50):
I didn't care. Now, I know the world's different. I
know we've got you know, video and all that's you
don't care, you know, and you know, Here's what I
hope to me. Can I ask you a question? Sure,
I like Reggie Miller. I think Reggie Miller is great.
I think Reggie Miller is really good as a commentator.
But I got to tell you, I hope that they
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don't make this series about Reggie Miller.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
They do, well, it's gonna be. It's gonna be.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
I hope that they make this series about Yeah, you know,
we got to know the history, okay, But I hope
they make this series about this team against that team,
because we got killers on the court in Brunson and Halliburton.
We got rivals that are tough, fan bases that are
insane right now, Ye, I don't really care about what
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Reggie Miller did twenty five years ago. Maybe I'm wrong,
maybe I'm you know, but that's how I look at it.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I mean, thank goodness, it's not NBC doing it, because
NBC would do all look backs.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
But I think that's that's definitely right. Well, what's gonna happen?
You mentioned?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
You mentioned trapping and getting the ball out of Brunson's hands.
It's not what most people do in the NBA nowadays
because they believe, you know, you can't put two on
the ball because that leaves somebody open. Guys are just
too good, uh, playing playing five, playing four on three?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Are you of that belief?
Speaker 6 (27:12):
I think you got to do everything. I think you've
got to do a lot of stuff. Like if you
use something to say to me, well they trap, my
answer would be yes, Uh, well they keep going to
the satellite and answer to be yet to get over
the screen and keep the same matchup, meaning they don't
want Halliburn on the stuff. There's a ball screen. They
just make sure that Nesbeth, you know, fights over under
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the screen. I'd say, I think you got to do everything.
I think you got to have about eight to ten
things that you can do against him. But I do
think trapping is in play effect. I know it is.
I know you'll see that out of the paces they're
they're they're pretty good because of length, and this is somewhere,
this is something where depth helps them. They bring in
fresh guys, like you know, one of the things when
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we go to games, we're fortunate Kevin d hooks us up.
We sit behind the bench up a little bit and
the Pacers, again I use the word trust, because they
trust they'll see a guy get tired. They really don't
care when it is. And if they're trapping and they
see somebody get tired, they just get that guy out
of get somebody else in so that they're still fresh.
And if they're not scrambling right, if they're not rotating
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right out of a trap, and somebody is slow and
he's tired, they can tell them they get him out.
They have really good assistant coaches like this, Jenny Butcheck
is a really good assistant coach for the Pacers, and
she's always up doing that. So depth matters, not necessarily.
And you can hear this all the time. You're gonna
hear how depth is so important to wearing the knicks down.
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That's not it. They use their depth to enhance their team,
meaning they keep themselves fresh, they don't let themselves get tired.
But at the end of the game is going to
be Haliburton, is gonna be Haliburton and Postil siakam getting
it done.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
If you're going to pick one game to get a
ticket or buy a ticket in this series, what one
is it?
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Oh? Man, I really wanted to go tomorrow, Doug. I
have this bucket list. My bucket list. My wife will
tell you a pretty good Army Nations game is kind
of thing. But I looked at the tickets that I
got through Kevin Pritchett. I say, Man, I want to
buy one through your allotment. He goes Dan, here's the prices,
and the lowest price through the Pacers, not the Baser's
(29:30):
box office. Through the Pacers a lotment was thirteen hundred bucks.
And I'm like, Man, I like New York, I got
good job, But I'm not paying twenty seven hundred bucks.
That's before that's for two tickets. That's before all the fees.
But I would love to go to game one.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Why why gay? Why gay one? Not not six or seven?
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Yeah, I'd go to six or seven. I mean, it'd
be great.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
That's why I asked that. This is the hard thing.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Like I have, I have friends, I have good friends
in Oklahoma City. So they're like, hey, I just went
to Game seven with my son. So I'm like, all right,
game five is the one because you're not promised seven
seven is not seven is it's a reach to know
it'll go seven. Five is a very strong likelihood. So
I'm like, all right, whatever it costs me, I'll do five.
(30:20):
And I just didn't know what which one you you know,
which one you bought.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Well, that's why Game one. I think there's the anticipation.
I think the energy is insane. Uh. Would I like
to go to Game seven? Yeah? But but Game one
to me in New York in the garden, that rivalry,
I don't know. Man. Look, I don't want to go
on a weekend because I want to play golf and
drink beer with my buddies on the weekend. But I
(30:46):
want to I want to go, you know, Game two,
because I think it's on Friday. That'd be good too,
But I want to go in New York. I want
to go. I don't care if it's you know, what
is it Game six will be in India. I want
to go, but I want to go to a game
in the garden. I played in the garden, A coaching
the garden, A broadcasting garden. I want to go to
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a game playoff game, big series, big rival in the
garden in game one looks pretty good to me.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
There you go, Dann rockets out at at out kick,
It's don't at me? Is the is the show? W
you're the best man. Let's catch up soon.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Thanks my friend, See you, buddy, Bye bud.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific day.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. We do
have a little time to double dip, and we'll put
it all on Dan's plate. We'll get to the press
upcoming in a couple of minutes, But first, everybody likes
to reflect back and say my bad. But if you
do it on radio, like Dan Byer, some have remorse.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
I engage, but.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
There's nothing quite like Buyer's remorse.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Danny B. What are you remorseful today about?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Well, it's still a couple of days removed from it,
but it was a headache all weekend long, and watching
Scotty Scheffler win the PGA Championship. Not because they have
anything against Scotty Scheffler. I have it against myself for
not picking Scotty Scheffler to win the PGA Championship, which
I had planned to do up until the night before
when Doug people like to use this phrase, why don't
(32:25):
you zig when other people zag? Yeah, well, I thought,
you know what, let's go with Justin Thomas. And in
the end, Justin Thomas didn't even play the weekend, missed
the cut, was two shots off the cut line, while
Scotty Scheffler prayed the victory on his way to his
third major championship, first PGA and in some let's just
say friendly golf contests, I would have fared very very well.
(32:47):
But I just never learned my lesson Jason Stewart as
someone who may partake in similar sorts of contests, and
I feel like Jason has a lot more success zigging
when everybody zigs, as opposed to me zagging. Jason. I
don't know if you can weigh in on this, but
I feel that going my own routes or going my
own way, as Fleetwood Mac would say, just has not
(33:09):
been fruitful for me.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
First of all, I like any reference to Footwood Mac,
especially rumors, and then I zig when everyone zigs. But
a lot of those pools have to do with Wuck Dan.
Sometimes you could overthink these things.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah you thought it.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I like this tweet, this sweet from from Mike Bovis.
I don't know if you saw it. Scottie Scheffler is
such a great American story, got out of jail, turned
his life around.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Has it reoffended? The system works.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Dest bs and butthead is sam like that one.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Name.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I was also remorseful for my Houston Rockets gaff earlier
in this show, like just kicking myself over it, knowing
what Jason Stewart's stat was all about, and then my
mind wandered in a certain spot and I knew exactly
what was happening. I said it correctly in the first
half of my take. And then yeah, so I'm still
(34:03):
kicking myself over that one.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
It's okay. At least you didn't call Iowa Steve, Iowa Sean.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I was Steve. There's another he purposely did it okay?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
And then else that's buyers remorse. Let's get to the press, shall.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
We the press?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Let's pay off the teas Doug Tennessee Titan said coach
Brian Callahan says that first overall pick quarterback cam Ward
is splitting first team reps in off season activities with
last year's starter Will Levis. We'll start it for most
of the year.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, I mean look very early, very early, sounds like
they're playing next week.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Correct, But don't you take a guy number one overall?
Don't you want him to get I mean already of them,
I have no issues if they're like, he's our guy
game one, he's our guy week one.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
I would guess that's going to happen. I just sometimes,
by the way, with the first team reps, you want
to go like, oh, here you do it now, I
want you to do it how he how he exactly
how he did it because he's done it before.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
So maybe that.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Again.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I let's just like your pick against Scotti Shcheffler, let's
not overthink. You know, we all know cam Ward is
going to be the quarterback of the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Whether it's the entire.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Preseason, whether he earns it after one preseason start where
they start a week one of the season, whatever that's
going to happen. You know, agree, disagree. Let let's see
what their process is and go through it fair enough.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
NFL owners today did pass the rule that will allow
players to play fit flag at football in the twenty
twenty eight Summer Olympics.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Of course, they won't let their play play.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Opportunity for them to represent their country to compete for
a gold medal, which is a pinnacle of global sports.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
There it is the commissioner.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yes, how many other countries are there that play flag
football that are represented in the NFL. It doesn't mean
they can't get pony passports. And how many guys under
contract are going to play flag football knowing they can
get hurt?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I tweeted last week when this was coming out, the
score the score malfunction from one of the NCAA tournament
games that I think would be the score of some
of these flag football games or the was it the
the pacers in the calves where it said two forty
five to fifty or something? Yes, the one that I
(36:38):
used last week and I wanted to do it again,
but I felt it was was just overkill and if
people didn't like it the first time, they probably weren't
going to like it the second time. Was the Wisconsin
two seventy one to BYUS fifty two in their second
round game of the NCAA Tournaments. Potential flag football.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I had the wrong side of that game.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Pat Garrity has been named as the general manager boy
and women's basketball teams at his alma mater of Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
I don't know if he's qualified. I mean, you know,
he went under Dame. He got one b at Notre Dame.
He got a master's from Duke. Ten years in the
NBA head of the play for the Players Association, when
he's a player assistant GM with the Pistons, I don't
know if he's qualified.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Guys, I really don't.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Boogie fland is transferring from Arkansas staying in the SEC
to play at Florida. Can you even comments on another player?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
You're not gonna play for me? Sure?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I mean, I don't like if we met our league
had meetings today and we were talking about all kinds
of things, and I said, hey, what if we put
out a rule that we're not going to poach other
people's players, and all the guys like, well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
If that's a great I don't know.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Yeah, what did Cleveland State think about that?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Well, they have a new coach, Rob Summers. I like
some of their old players, and they took one of mine. Yes,
say I know you talking about Foster Wonders love Fosti.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
And finally, to wrap it up, bookend it with some goodell,
the commissioner told CNBC the league will go to sixteen
international games within five years probably, And that's the press.
By get out there and pressed.
Speaker 7 (38:16):
That was the press.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome in Hope. You're having a great day.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
It's a Tuesday. It's the first day of the Western
Conference Finals. We will get to that. Hey, Dano, I
wanted to follow up on something I just heard on
your update where you said that Roger Goodell said in
the next five years they're going to work towards sixteen
games overseas, sixteen international, yes, international games, sixteen weeks sixteen
games or sixteen.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Weeks sixteen games, so you could have some in the
same weeks happening. So we know they're going to Australia
next year they've gone to Brazil's meaning twenty twenty six
they're going to be in Australia. Spain Madrid gets a
game in twenty twenty five. That's new. Germany is hosting games.
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London has hosted about three or four games a year
for a while. Now Mexico City is going to be
back in the fold, so there are a lot of
different different options for the Mexico City.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
One is amazing because remember they lost that game because
the surface I think as Techa Stadium in Mexico City
and instead that game was played at the La Coliseum
in what I think will forever go down as one
of the most enjoyable football games most of us have
watched because there was very little defense, right, that was
(01:38):
the Chiefs versus the Rams.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
The other part to it though, and I hate to
agree with Jason Stewart because he's such a curmudgeon with
his the sky is following everything as bad opinions. But
he's right, like that is not good news for the
quality of football, right, I mean, it's just not. The
(02:03):
reality is you can't you can't fly to Australia and
expect guys to perform at nearly the level to perform.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Stateside on a one off game.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
And it's where, don't get me wrong, playoffs run the
up and up NFL still and they they these guys
are brilliant with the business model. Right, I've said this before.
What they're doing now by exporting the NFL is they're
creating different TV windows then previously existed, right, So everybody
(02:33):
gets charged a fee for their TV window. And they
were previously they were fighting over the you know, one
o'clock and the four o'clock Sunday start time, and then
you had Thursday night, and you got Sunday night, and
you got Monday night. And now you throw international games
and they're all over and so you can one bid
out those, you can multiple bid. You got Netflix, Amazon,
they can put them on whatever, like it's brilliant, but
(02:55):
you know it's not. It's not great for the sport
in terms of the quality of play because as that
travel just beats you up and it takes away from
the the quality of competition. Which this is where I'm
giving it up to Jase Do because Jason has said
this is last year's NFL season was like the upa
Zoropa zupa Jason, which is at Zerra.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Yeah, I've said the last two seasons I've been in
that the but you're conflating two takes. Yes, the quality
of play has gotten worse. I don't think anyone even
disputes that anymore. But I I just don't understand what
international play does for me. Why am I getting excited?
You just laid out what how it behooves the NFL.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You don't, it's not for you. It's like when my dad.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It's like when my dad used to watch Colin on
sports station, Like I don't like that show.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
That's not for you. It's for it's for money, right,
and those areas it doesn't then why why do we anybody?
Speaker 6 (03:57):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Anybody like if you're in Spain, you're in Australia, there's
a looking lou that drives up ticket prices. And that's
why you created extra games you already had. You already
had a set number of games in your lease with
the stadium, So that's not affected. Whoever has the one
game over at home now all of a sudden, they
could lose that game and people don't complain about losing
a game. And it's just it's just revenue maker and
(04:18):
it spreads the sport, that's all. It's about the sport,
and it's about people who are expatriots or trying to
teach Aussie's or Germans or English people Englishmen about football
and bring him to an event, it does nothing for you.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
We heard Travis Kelcey just recently say that he's going
to Brazil and help play it, but he's not excited
about it. I'm guessing a lot of the players share
that they just can't. They don't have the gravitass of
Travis kelce to admit it on a popular podcast, as
opposed to his.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Bye week when he went for the Taylor Swift Tour.
Remember that one.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, we pointed that out. I think you're off, Dan,
and I gave it up to you for pointing that
out that.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh now he'll go begrudgingly when he went, he was
fine bye week.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Go back to years ago.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I can understand if the NFL is like, we want
to have games in London, We're gonna play a game
in Ireland this year with the Steelers and Vikings playing.
We're gonna do Madrid, We're gonna do Germany. Because maybe
there's a plan for like Europe in the future of
somehow or some sort of league or something down the road.
But the one offs of Brazil of Australia. If you
(05:26):
go back to Japan, they used to play preseason games
in Japan. If you go there. I mean, like, it's
those one offs that I don't necessarily understand. They haven't
gone to Mexico City again for the previous couple of years,
but I would have to think that's in their plan
if they're gonna put sixteen games. But I just don't.
(05:47):
The one offs are the ones that I don't get.
I understand Europe a lot more. It's easier from my
mind to comprehend than the one offs of Brazil and Australia.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
It's crazy that they've like tripped all like the newsmakers
and the people that all the influencers to promote it
like they're actually promoting it as if it behooves the
viewer or the.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Like who they tricked specifically.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
The NFL has tricked everyone who's covered the sport into
doing their posts every time there's a game in a
different country. Schefter and then the twenty people that are
relevant after him post that there's going to be a
game in a different country.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, but there.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Look, it's the symbiotic relationship of people who cover a
sport and the sport itself. It's why it's at least
what Schefter gets about it, what so many don't get
so many in whatever sport you know don't get about
the media is the media has a bunch of different jobs,
one of which is to promote the sport.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So I agree with you. They're carrying the water to
the league. But that's their job.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Without the NFL, they don't have a job be an
insider of a sport that does people don't care.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
About, and people clearly care about the NFL.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It is a Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's let's dabble into the Western Conference Finals. You have
two young up and coming burgeoning stars. One is Shay
Gildes Alexander. He's Canadian e One is Anthony Edwards who's
from Georgia, who played at Georgia Anthony Edwards Course and
(07:31):
Shade Gilds Hosander played at Kentucky. Oklahoma City is favored
by seven over Minnesota at home tonight and their favorite
to win the series currently at a minus three seventy five.
I don't even know what that means. I mean, I
know what it means, but I don't know how bad
the big a favorite that means that they are. But
(07:52):
I do think that it's smart money tonight to get
in on Minnesota right more rested. I think think obviously
it's a very different matchup. But Minnesota comes in having
played their really two gentlemen sweeps in their last two
series against older teams. Now they take on a younger,
(08:14):
deeper team. And yeah, I like Minnesota a lot tonight,
especially considering how many times we've seen the road team
come in and win that first game of these types
or the semi finals types of series. And you have
Oklahoma City coming off a seven game series which, no
matter how dominant they were from the end of the
(08:37):
first half on, it still was a seventh game they
had to play. That's a lot of extra energy expended
and that's hard to dial back up.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
What an opportunity for Anthony Edwards because last year the
Western Conference Finals were not kind to him. Not only
was he gassed, but it was also the Luca Show.
And while they were competitive in those games, Luca ends
up stealing the show because of his last second heroics.
But if you're Anthony Edwards, we have a chance to
(09:08):
redeem yourself from last year. He's in much better shape
this year. You can physically see it that he is.
You now have an opportunity to also take down who
we think is going to be the MVP and will
likely get his MVP trophy at some point in the series.
I would think that an announcement will happen where SGA
will be the MVP, and then with an NBA Finals
(09:29):
berth on the line, like it is an extremely profitable
series for Anthony Edwards if he can come through.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Should be? Should be?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And look, viewership is not going to be great, right,
It's just as.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Otherwise.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
We don't know who's going to win, and we've seen
playoff ratings increase this year, and I think that that
is a big portion of this. Now. I don't think
any of us would have had this final four, let
alone maybe two of the four of the teams that
are remaining. But that's also what's made it interesting is
we don't know what's going to happen in each of
(10:13):
these games. And I felt that was such a downfall
in years past, especially in the Warriors cav seasons, of
you're just waiting for the finals for those teams to play.
Now we don't know what's going to happen in each series,
let alone each game, and I think that helps.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
You're right, people should watch because these are the stars
of the next ten years in the NBA. They should
watch because you don't know the outcome. They should watch
because the fan bases are incredible. They should cheer against
the Timberwolves because how could anybody like anything associated with
Alex Rodriguez period? Stop right, they should These things all
should happen. But again, I'm not saying, well, I watch
(10:51):
what you watch. I'm not saying it's a good game
or not a good game. History, as our guide tells us,
smaller markets, lesser known stars just don't draw like even
old beat up teams if they're the LA Lakers or
they're the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Did you guys see where this is the first Western
Conference Finals in twenty nine years, that neither team is
in Texas or California. You have to go back to
the SuperSonics and Jazz in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Wow, the SuperSonics and Jazz in nineteen ninety six. Well
you got the SuperSonics in the thunder right. History does
repeat itself.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
On some level.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And if you want me to really make it's a
stretch Armstrong. But Rudy Gobert famously a member of the Jazz.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
So it's also a comment on the Western Conference as
well in terms of Doug to your point about ratings
and markets, it used to be that they just needed
the Lakers, and then Golden State came up and they
were a top brand. But to have that Texas triangle
(12:04):
of Dallas, San Antonio and Houston, those Spurs finals, we
were like, oh man, oh geez, Spurs Pistons.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Hey, did they being credit for changing basketball? Since when
they won the title they changed the rules because it
was so boring? Isn't that they're like the reverse Steff
Curry like, you guys are so boring, We're going to
change basketball.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
This Spurs? Really, hey, we changed basketball?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
So it was what it was twenty nine years Jason,
you said nineteen ninety six? Okay, well then the Rockets
their finals appearance were in ninety four and ninety five,
so the Rockets wouldn't even be a part of that conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
No, it was non Texas in California.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Correct, Yeah, it was only but it was only. But
I'm just saying like the oh oh oh yeah. Well
oh wait, no, I'm sorry. I thought you were saying
NBA finals, So you're saying Western Conference finals, got ya, right?
That's my bad that.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
We haven't had that. That's crazy. That's it's really really interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And and I think I think Minnesota's got a great
chance to win this series. I don't think that Oklahoma
City has dominant talent.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I think it's a really good, well built team. They're
tough minded, the pieces fit together well. They have just
enough scoring punch. The more interesting as much as you're right,
it's a huge series for Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Jalen Williams. I think this is a how many people.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Nationally know who he is or that there's two Jalen
Williams on the Oklahoma City Thunder. That's that's confusing to people. Nonetheless,
but differently right spelled differently, Yeah, I had no idea.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
And that one is J. J.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Dubb. It was by J. Dubb. The other way I
think by Jay will Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
And it's the lesser I don't want to say the
lesser player because it's not fair. But the Jaleen Williams
from Marketsaw I felt was more popular because we saw
them in the tournament. And yes, but the Jalen Williams
that is starring from what Santa Clara, Yeah, Yep, he.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Has a rather large I think pittbull, my son said.
And so when he's and then when he scores, they
bark like everybody. The whole arena barks like a dog.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's what they do. They bark like a dog.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Maybe the WNBA needs to do an investigation.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I think so. I think so. I definitely think so.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
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quick question. Oklahoma City four uniforms? Maybe five?
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Favorite and least favorite?
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
They get the white, the blue, the black, the orange,
and then I'm sure there's a city one that I
don't know about.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I've never been a fan of theirs, and the NBA
is cracking down on these teams. They will now there
will be no more wacky uniforms. Warned they're going with
their pretty much basic ones. Pacers put out a post
of saying the uniform that they're going to wear throughout
I've never liked the Oklahoma City color scheme because there's
just too many colors in it. I guess blue is
the predominant one. But when you have five different colors,
(15:22):
you can wear different uniforms. But I do like their
blues more than more than I guess any other uniforms.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So you know what they try to do there, right?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
No, So okay, so I think it's like blue and
a little yellow. So they have the orange in the red,
which is like the Oklahoma state and Oklahoma right. So
it's like we got a little piece of it, and
you'd be amazed at how many people not happy about
the orange uniforms.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
They don't have red uniforms, right.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It's very much like your parachuting into a college area
and nobody thinks of those schools when they're watching the games.
But I think it was one of those let's try
and please everybody and you end up pleasing nobody.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Well, buddy, they don't really have a red because.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It's more a little red in there.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
In there, it's more of like an it's more orange, black, yellow, white,
blue and orange. Is when I looked at the close.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Up, Yeah, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's a it's a
ready orange and the Loves.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The Love's Heart is the Red.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
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Speaker 3 (16:38):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. We'll
get the buyer's rem morse up coming after we get
to Dan's updates. So Dan's got a busy little segment here.
Speaking of Dan, we'll do all Dan's pacers take on
the Knicks, and also we have Indiana fever still in
the news.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Who better for all.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Things Indiana and all things opinion in sports to join
me in the Doug Gottlieb Show than the host of
Don't at Me on OutKick. That's Dan Dockitsch, of course,
was head coach of Bowling Green head coach at Indiana,
longtime college basket po analysts, and double D joins us
here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Let's start. Let's start.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I know this because I have a couple of friends
in Indianapolis. But again, you have your finger on the
pulse of the city, even more so than just somebody
who's an outsider with friends. How big a deal are
the Fever in the Indiana sports scene?
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Gonna be huge? They were last year. Right now, Dougie,
you know, you know paces Eastern Conference, find a lot
of history between the Knicks and the Pacers. So that's
dominating right now. But the Fever gonna be Fever. I
don't know whether this is good or bad. It's really good. Actually,
(17:52):
Fever are very very good. Sophie Cunningham is a very
good player that they brought in a very attractive young lady,
and they've got a great team. I think they're going
to win the WNBA. They've got a fun team to watch. Sophie,
Lexi Hall, Kaylen, Caitlyn Clark, and Leah Boston are all
very very energetic, outgoing, fun, attractive people and that's going
(18:18):
to bring viewers. And they're very good and so they're
going to be the story here big time. But right now,
Doug as we're twenty four hours or whatever, we are
away man, people people here, hey man, we love the
Knicks Pacers rivalry going way back, but Reggie, you know,
twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven years, So that's dominating
(18:39):
right now. But of course, the whole nonsense with Angel
Reese and you know, the Chicago sky, you know, being
the little kid that cried wolf again is dominating a
little bit. But you know, we know that's all garbage.
And you know we moved along to the Nixon Pacers.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well before we move it along, okay.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
And I have a couple of friends who have season
tickets to the Fever and they're like, it's the demo
of that particular event is different than traditional WNBA, whereas
it's families and lots of little girls come into the
games right and a sold out arena NBA arena, whereas
(19:23):
the rest of the league for years had started to
retract and go to smaller venues, and again, very very different.
How accurate is that in regard to what the crowds are, Doug, I've.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Never seen like it, Like I would tell you that
when I came back to Indianapolis after coaching Indiana and
I never saw anything like the number of pig man
in jerseys walking into a football stadium. But it's not
even close. I mean number twenty two, whether it's Fever,
whether it's Iowa, the little girls, the moms, the dads,
(19:55):
you go in and right next to they've built this.
It's attached, but it's next to and it's outside of
the basketball area, kind of a kids area. And you
go to a Fever game and it is jam packed,
and I mean jam packed, like oh little girl. It's
a very cool environment. And the crowds sounds different, you
(20:16):
know what I mean, Doug, Like, you know, you go
to a college campus and you got students, and that
sounds different than an NBA arena, which is you know,
more corporate whatever. And you go a Fever game, Man,
it basically sounds like twenty thousand kids have been it
let out of school and they're just gonna scream for
two hours. It's very cool. It is very, very very cool.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I bring it up because again I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Were you there Saturday?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
No, Okay, neither of us are there, right, so we
don't know. But the likelihood of multiple people shouting things
out and no one's saying anything or having them escorted
out seems a little far fetch doubled, I would argue
with zero.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
And again I said, cried wolf. We saw it last
year at the Sky you know, they said they were
accosted at a hotel after Kennedy Carter had cheap shot
at Caitlin Clark, and it turned out it was one
guy asking one question of Kennedy Carter. So the likelihood
is zero. And you know a friend of mine who
works for the Pacers Sports and Entertainment, He's like Dan,
(21:31):
and this is African American guy who goes Dann. We
got a lot of African American workers ushers because you
think any of them are going to have to put
up with you know, somebody yelling racial slurs loud enough
that you know that somebody heard them on the court.
It was loud. And a guy told me that yesterday
actually as I was on my radio show, my afternoon show.
(21:53):
And look, if it happened, I'll certainly be the first
to criticize whoever and whatever we need to do, But
I would say the likelihood of zero. I've saw Reese's
interview today and she's doing that old victim thing I loved,
blah blah blah. But nobody's ever saying what was said.
No one's No one's said what was said, No one's
(22:15):
said what they hurt, no nobody. It's just you know,
you got beat by thirty five? Were the bullies? Caitlin
Clark dominated, and you know, the whole foul thing was
silly to meet. I think Kim English, the coach of Providence,
said it past like Twitter's successful. Caitlin Clark didn't want
to give up a bucket. She follow angel and Angelice
reacted to the hard file and we moved along. But
(22:39):
not with those two, and not in this day and age. Apparently.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
No, it's Doug got leap show here on Fox Sports Trail.
All right, let's get to the Pacers. Did you think
that pressing for forty eight minutes would work when you
first saw the Pacers play? Like that'll work in the NBA, Doug?
Speaker 6 (22:58):
When I first saw the Pacers play the year, they
were horrible, and they knew they were horrible. They were
banged up, but they were horrible. In fact, people talking
about Haliburton now, he's different Haliburton than he was back
in November and December. He was terrible. Eadn't guard well.
I went to game Jokis, they made fun of him.
They posted up Christian Braun and Jochis were throwing passes
from and I'm being literally here beyond half court to
(23:21):
a posting up Christian Braun and Haliburton actually addressed I
think it was a game or two later, how bad
he's been. He had zero toughness. He had kind of
lived off of He had a good year the year before,
good ending, maybe the Olympic team all that, and he
kind of lived off that and he straightened himself out.
And even the announcers. Mark Boyle is a good friend.
(23:42):
He comes on my show and he's like, look, Haliburton's
gonna either have to guard or this pacer team's not
going anywhere. And Haliburton has guarded. And this is what
I like about him, Doug. Now they're pressing, Now they're deep.
Now they trust everybody. You know, they go from Ben
Shephard or you know, Jarence Walker to you know, be
topping off the bench, McConnell off. They got ten guys
(24:04):
they'll play and they trust them. And you know this,
I mean, you coach, you play guys because you trust them.
You don't play guys because their mom or dad yells
in the stands or you know whatever, you play. And
Rick Carlisle, this team has developed into a team that
if he wants to press for forty eight minutes, you
saw he can do that. If he doesn't want to
(24:26):
you know, if he wants to go to more of
a trapping type style, which I think he's going to
do against Brunson, he can do that because he trusts
even Halliburton late in games, particularly in the Milwaukee series,
late was really good defensively. And that's something that one
person in Indiana would have told you going back to,
you know, the start of the year. So it's fun
to wat you know this. I mean a team that
(24:47):
goes through some stuff all of a sudden, they don't quit,
they don't sull, they don't want, they get better. And
those are teams that do what the Pacers are doing,
which is you know, he's Conference finals again.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader, that's the
voice of Dan Dockatch. His show is called Don't at Me.
It's on OutKick It Like none of these guys, many
of these guys weren't alive when the Pacers played the
Knicks and Reggie Miller was what was Reggie Miller? How
much of the rivalry exists between the players, not just
(25:22):
the fans.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
You know, it's funny. I remember Scott Pollard played it
hands you probably played against Maybe it's not nice Elder. Yeah,
Scotty came in on my show and he's like Dan,
players don't care. He goes. Players don't remember, he goes.
You don't think. And I always think about it like this.
I went to college in nineteen eighty one, eighty two.
I didn't know what happened twenty five years before, Like
(25:50):
I didn't care. Now, I know the world's different. I
know we've got you know, video and all that's you
don't care, you know, and you know, Here's what I
hope to me. Can I ask you a question? Sure,
I like Reggie Miller. I think Reggie Miller is great.
I think Reggie Miller is really good as a commentator.
But I got to tell you, I hope that they
(26:12):
don't make this series about Reggie Miller.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
They do, well, it's gonna be. It's gonna be.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
I hope that they make this series about Yeah, you know,
we got to know the history, okay, But I hope
they make this series about this team against that team,
because we got killers on the court in Brunson and Halliburton.
We got rivals that are tough, fan bases that are
insane right now, Ye, I don't really care about what
(26:39):
Reggie Miller did twenty five years ago. Maybe I'm wrong,
maybe I'm you know, but that's how I look at it.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I mean, thank goodness, it's not NBC doing it, because
NBC would do all look backs.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
But I think that's that's definitely right. Well, what's gonna happen?
You mentioned?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
You mentioned trapping and getting the ball out of Brunson's hands.
It's not what most people do in the NBA nowadays
because they believe, you know, you can't put two on
the ball because that leaves somebody open. Guys are just
too good, uh, playing playing five, playing four on three?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Are you of that belief?
Speaker 6 (27:12):
I think you got to do everything. I think you've
got to do a lot of stuff. Like if you
use something to say to me, well they trap, my
answer would be yes, Uh, well they keep going to
the satellite and answer to be yet to get over
the screen and keep the same matchup, meaning they don't
want Halliburn on the stuff. There's a ball screen. They
just make sure that Nesbeth, you know, fights over under
(27:35):
the screen. I'd say, I think you got to do everything.
I think you got to have about eight to ten
things that you can do against him. But I do
think trapping is in play effect. I know it is.
I know you'll see that out of the paces they're
they're they're pretty good because of length, and this is somewhere,
this is something where depth helps them. They bring in
fresh guys, like you know, one of the things when
(27:57):
we go to games, we're fortunate Kevin d hooks us up.
We sit behind the bench up a little bit and
the Pacers, again I use the word trust, because they
trust they'll see a guy get tired. They really don't
care when it is. And if they're trapping and they
see somebody get tired, they just get that guy out
of get somebody else in so that they're still fresh.
And if they're not scrambling right, if they're not rotating
(28:20):
right out of a trap, and somebody is slow and
he's tired, they can tell them they get him out.
They have really good assistant coaches like this, Jenny Butcheck
is a really good assistant coach for the Pacers, and
she's always up doing that. So depth matters, not necessarily.
And you can hear this all the time. You're gonna
hear how depth is so important to wearing the knicks down.
(28:42):
That's not it. They use their depth to enhance their team,
meaning they keep themselves fresh, they don't let themselves get tired.
But at the end of the game is going to
be Haliburton, is gonna be Haliburton and Postil siakam getting
it done.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
If you're going to pick one game to get a
ticket or buy a ticket in this series, what one
is it?
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Oh? Man, I really wanted to go tomorrow, Doug. I
have this bucket list. My bucket list. My wife will
tell you a pretty good Army Nations game is kind
of thing. But I looked at the tickets that I
got through Kevin Pritchett. I say, Man, I want to
buy one through your allotment. He goes Dan, here's the prices,
and the lowest price through the Pacers, not the Baser's
(29:30):
box office. Through the Pacers a lotment was thirteen hundred bucks.
And I'm like, Man, I like New York, I got
good job, But I'm not paying twenty seven hundred bucks.
That's before that's for two tickets. That's before all the fees.
But I would love to go to game one.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Why why gay? Why gay one? Not not six or seven?
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Yeah, I'd go to six or seven. I mean, it'd
be great.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
That's why I asked that. This is the hard thing.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Like I have, I have friends, I have good friends
in Oklahoma City. So they're like, hey, I just went
to Game seven with my son. So I'm like, all right,
game five is the one because you're not promised seven
seven is not seven is it's a reach to know
it'll go seven. Five is a very strong likelihood. So
I'm like, all right, whatever it costs me, I'll do five.
(30:20):
And I just didn't know what which one you you know,
which one you bought.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Well, that's why Game one. I think there's the anticipation.
I think the energy is insane. Uh. Would I like
to go to Game seven? Yeah? But but Game one
to me in New York in the garden, that rivalry,
I don't know. Man. Look, I don't want to go
on a weekend because I want to play golf and
drink beer with my buddies on the weekend. But I
(30:46):
want to I want to go, you know, Game two,
because I think it's on Friday. That'd be good too,
But I want to go in New York. I want
to go. I don't care if it's you know, what
is it Game six will be in India. I want
to go, but I want to go to a game
in the garden. I played in the garden, A coaching
the garden, A broadcasting garden. I want to go to
(31:06):
a game playoff game, big series, big rival in the
garden in game one looks pretty good to me.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
There you go, Dann rockets out at at out kick,
It's don't at me? Is the is the show? W
you're the best man. Let's catch up soon.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Thanks my friend, See you, buddy, Bye bud.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific day.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. We do
have a little time to double dip, and we'll put
it all on Dan's plate. We'll get to the press
upcoming in a couple of minutes, But first, everybody likes
to reflect back and say my bad. But if you
do it on radio, like Dan Byer, some have remorse.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
I engage, but.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
There's nothing quite like Buyer's remorse.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Danny B. What are you remorseful today about?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Well, it's still a couple of days removed from it,
but it was a headache all weekend long, and watching
Scotty Scheffler win the PGA Championship. Not because they have
anything against Scotty Scheffler. I have it against myself for
not picking Scotty Scheffler to win the PGA Championship, which
I had planned to do up until the night before
when Doug people like to use this phrase, why don't
(32:25):
you zig when other people zag? Yeah, well, I thought,
you know what, let's go with Justin Thomas. And in
the end, Justin Thomas didn't even play the weekend, missed
the cut, was two shots off the cut line, while
Scotty Scheffler prayed the victory on his way to his
third major championship, first PGA and in some let's just
say friendly golf contests, I would have fared very very well.
(32:47):
But I just never learned my lesson Jason Stewart as
someone who may partake in similar sorts of contests, and
I feel like Jason has a lot more success zigging
when everybody zigs, as opposed to me zagging. Jason. I
don't know if you can weigh in on this, but
I feel that going my own routes or going my
own way, as Fleetwood Mac would say, just has not
(33:09):
been fruitful for me.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
First of all, I like any reference to Footwood Mac,
especially rumors, and then I zig when everyone zigs. But
a lot of those pools have to do with Wuck Dan.
Sometimes you could overthink these things.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah you thought it.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I like this tweet, this sweet from from Mike Bovis.
I don't know if you saw it. Scottie Scheffler is
such a great American story, got out of jail, turned
his life around.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Has it reoffended? The system works.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Dest bs and butthead is sam like that one.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Name.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I was also remorseful for my Houston Rockets gaff earlier
in this show, like just kicking myself over it, knowing
what Jason Stewart's stat was all about, and then my
mind wandered in a certain spot and I knew exactly
what was happening. I said it correctly in the first
half of my take. And then yeah, so I'm still
(34:03):
kicking myself over that one.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
It's okay. At least you didn't call Iowa Steve, Iowa Sean.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I was Steve. There's another he purposely did it okay?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
And then else that's buyers remorse. Let's get to the press, shall.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
We the press?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Let's pay off the teas Doug Tennessee Titan said coach
Brian Callahan says that first overall pick quarterback cam Ward
is splitting first team reps in off season activities with
last year's starter Will Levis. We'll start it for most
of the year.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, I mean look very early, very early, sounds like
they're playing next week.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Correct, But don't you take a guy number one overall?
Don't you want him to get I mean already of them,
I have no issues if they're like, he's our guy
game one, he's our guy week one.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
I would guess that's going to happen. I just sometimes,
by the way, with the first team reps, you want
to go like, oh, here you do it now, I
want you to do it how he how he exactly
how he did it because he's done it before.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
So maybe that.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Again.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I let's just like your pick against Scotti Shcheffler, let's
not overthink. You know, we all know cam Ward is
going to be the quarterback of the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Whether it's the entire.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Preseason, whether he earns it after one preseason start where
they start a week one of the season, whatever that's
going to happen. You know, agree, disagree. Let let's see
what their process is and go through it fair enough.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
NFL owners today did pass the rule that will allow
players to play fit flag at football in the twenty
twenty eight Summer Olympics.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Of course, they won't let their play play.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Opportunity for them to represent their country to compete for
a gold medal, which is a pinnacle of global sports.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
There it is the commissioner.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yes, how many other countries are there that play flag
football that are represented in the NFL. It doesn't mean
they can't get pony passports. And how many guys under
contract are going to play flag football knowing they can
get hurt?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I tweeted last week when this was coming out, the
score the score malfunction from one of the NCAA tournament
games that I think would be the score of some
of these flag football games or the was it the
the pacers in the calves where it said two forty
five to fifty or something? Yes, the one that I
(36:38):
used last week and I wanted to do it again,
but I felt it was was just overkill and if
people didn't like it the first time, they probably weren't
going to like it the second time. Was the Wisconsin
two seventy one to BYUS fifty two in their second
round game of the NCAA Tournaments. Potential flag football.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I had the wrong side of that game.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Pat Garrity has been named as the general manager boy
and women's basketball teams at his alma mater of Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
I don't know if he's qualified. I mean, you know,
he went under Dame. He got one b at Notre Dame.
He got a master's from Duke. Ten years in the
NBA head of the play for the Players Association, when
he's a player assistant GM with the Pistons, I don't
know if he's qualified.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Guys, I really don't.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Boogie fland is transferring from Arkansas staying in the SEC
to play at Florida. Can you even comments on another player?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
You're not gonna play for me? Sure?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I mean, I don't like if we met our league
had meetings today and we were talking about all kinds
of things, and I said, hey, what if we put
out a rule that we're not going to poach other
people's players, and all the guys like, well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
If that's a great I don't know.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Yeah, what did Cleveland State think about that?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Well, they have a new coach, Rob Summers. I like
some of their old players, and they took one of mine. Yes,
say I know you talking about Foster Wonders love Fosti.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
And finally, to wrap it up, bookend it with some goodell,
the commissioner told CNBC the league will go to sixteen
international games within five years probably, And that's the press.
By get out there and pressed.
Speaker 7 (38:16):
That was the press.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I like the Wolves to cover Tonight. This is the
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