June 4, 2025 • 33 mins
Doug riffs on the NBA Finals. Head Men's & Women's Basketball Coach at the University of The Southwest joins Doug to talk about juggling his two jobs. Doug reacts to Rob Parker's take on Tom Thibodeau. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying. Plus, Gilbert Arenas makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug gottlie What.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in. We're a
day away from the NBA Finals at the time of
this recording. You can listen to this podcast whenever. And
I think it's always interesting, right, Like, what was the
thing you were worried about with the Thunder to start
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the start the playoffs? It was that they hadn't won
in the playoffs yet, right, And it's a little bit
like coaching in the NBA. In order to coach in
the in order to coach a championship team in the NBA,
you have to have won a championship. In order to
win a championship, you have to have coached a championship
team in the NBA. Right, in order to have people
believe in you in the NBA and the finals, you
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have to have performed in the playoffs and or perform
the playoffs. You have to have previously performed the playoffs.
It's just it's I I'm pretty sure the Thunder are
going to win this series. Again, I don't know, because games,
sometimes guys don't make shots, sometimes guys don't get calls.
But our one fear with the Thunder is they'd run
into an older, more physical team that had played playoff
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basketball and they had not. And that nearly happened against
the Nuggets, only the Nuggets couldn't stay healthy. That's not
the case with the Pacers. So why are we talking
ourselves into the Pacers beating the Thunder when it's just
not a bad matchup for the Thunder, just not You
know what I want to do is I want to
get to get to our first guest. So there's all
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kinds of unique stories in sports. I love using the
pod to discuss one. So people think I work a
lot because I host the radio show, we do the pod,
and of course some had basketball coach. What if I
told you there's a coach in college basketball who's going
to coach both the men's and the women's team at
the same time at the same school. His name is
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Stephen Barker, and I love unique stories and obviously doing
double duty being a head coach and hosting the show.
People make a big deal about it. I don't think
it's a huge deal, especially as you get kind of
a year in and you start to understand all that
you need for one job, all that you need for
the next. Again, then I read this story. Our next
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guest is he's the head women's coach at the University
of Southwest, name Stephen Barker. He joins us now on
the Doug Oatlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Coach, how
are you.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm doing well, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
How was your year? Last year at Southwest?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It was unique. I got the job extremely late, didn't
get a chance to recruit, so I got very very
blessed and fortunate to have a great group of young ladies.
I started August seventh, right at about ten or so
days before school started. Our year was fourteen and fifteen,
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ten and fourteen in the league. We didn't make it
to the conference tournament. Not everybody qualifies. We were very
fortunate to get in the last week. Overall, it was
a good year though.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Okay, Now, University of Southwest is in Hobbs, New Mexico.
Is that right, yes, sir? Okay, how far is that
from Area fifty one?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You don't know where Area fifty one is. I guess
you're not. Nobody's supposed to know, right. It's actually it's
very close to the Texas border, though, isn't it. I mean,
you guys are close to the Texas border.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm saying, yeah, yeah, we're right on the line.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, okay, right, Hobbs At Hobbs of New Mexico is
right there on the border of Texas. How big a
city is it?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I think the signs say fifty four thousand is a population?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Sure, sure, Okay, So you're the women's coach, it's toughier
get the job late. I can get that. You can
attest When did the men's job come open?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
About a month ago? Our previous men's coach, I believe
has another job, and we brought another person in and
then that purpose and left because he was able to
get another job. I went to our athletic director a
little bit of selfish reasons, wanted to be able to
kind of halfway control the scheduling with the men and
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the women. Kind of pitched my idea with some help
that I suggested that I needed that I think would
be able to make this work. And he went for it.
And we're bringing in the guy that I'm hiring tomorrow.
Actually he'll be on campus. But a little bit of
how you described at the beginning of this was, you know,
it's a job and then on to the next so
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similar to what you were talking about at the beginning
of this.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Okay, so you're the head men's and the head women's coach, Yes, sir,
What does that challenge be like?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's too early to tell, you know, I think a
lot of it is. I have a lot of support
from administration, and we have a graduate assistant who is
my former player. She really really wanted to coach before
this whole thing even came about, and she's really really
helped me a bunch as far as recruiting goes and
some of the meticulous administration paperwork duties, as far as transcripts,
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you know, all that off the floor stuff that has
to get taken care of. The guy I'm bringing in.
Coach will Osborne has been great. He's been helping me recruit.
You know. I've just been very, very blessed to have
all the support that I need. You know, I have
the title, but I have all the people around me
basically doing all the work.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I mean, has this ever happened before? Because when I
saw the story, I was like, we got to get
coach on because that one I have never heard of before.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I think if i'm if I'm not, I mean, somebody
will be able to care if I'm wrong. But I
believe it happened in our league a year or two
ago at LSU Shreveport, where coach Blankenship for a brief
period of time, had to do the men and the women.
I don't know that story off the top of my head,
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but I believe I hate to be wrong on my information,
but I believe he had rather well success for that
brief period of time that he'd done it.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So when you introduce yourself, now, I guess you just
introduced yourself as the basketball coach at Southwest, right, like,
as you are the basketball coach. Yeah, I knew, but
then somebody says were the women's coaching the men's coach?
And then you say well both. They're like what.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, it's actually unique that you know. I'm able to
talk to you because I grew up in Guthrie, Oklahoma,
and I watched you play. Literally, it's amazing how we're
like thirty miles apart from when you were in Stillwater
and I was in Guthrie.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Sure, I've been to got through many a time. A
matter of fact, my kids living in Edmund so I
know the area. So well, are you going to run
the same offense.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
That's going to depend on a lot on recruiting. The
women are more than ess five out with the men.
You know, in a perfect world, which I know we
don't live in, I kind of like to have more
sets and that grinded out tom Izzo's style of play.
But you know that we're not really you know, the
board is pretty open, still kind of waiting on guys
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to commit, and I get it. You know, everybody's testing
the water, so to speak. A lot of that will
come down to recruiting and if we can get a
couple of bigs that that can kind of fit that
style of what we want to do.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
If not, I mean, I like, I couldn't you like again,
I've coached multiple AU teams, right, you call the plays
all the same plays? You may run different plays, may
may run different ones. But I just wonder in terms
of your own your brain, you know, oh, we don't
call it that. We call that that with the men's team.
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We call this the women's team. That's the only part
that I feel like has got to be really hard.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, I think I think a lot of our stuff
is just going to be uniformed to a degree. I think,
especially now, you know, I thought about, Okay, well, people
are going to be able to scout and things like
that and pick up on what we do. You know,
there's enough film and scauting reports and resources and technology.
Nobody's really high anything anymore. So I would say to
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put a percentage on it. Both teams will probably run
eighty percent of the same stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Sure. Sure. Stephen Barker is our guest. He's the head
coach men's and women's coach at the University of Southwesterns
and Hobbs, New Mexico. He joins us in the Doug
Outleb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Are you practice is
going to be back to back one morning, one afternoon?
How are you going to do it? I know part
of why you do it was the gym time. How
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are you going to do it?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah? I think last year the women were on from
two to four and the men were four to six.
I'll try to stagger that out a little bit more.
The women will go first, they play first, and I'm
going to try to have it to where there's gonna
be some gym availability in between practices so the girls
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can still get shot up and stuff while they're in
their workout gear of practice stuff instead of having to
go back to the dorms or their campus apartments, whatever
the case may be, and then you know, get rested
and then come back. Or most of us said something
that's really really hard to do. So I'll try to
stagger out practice times a little bit differently. I'm not
going to say better, just differently, no.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
No, no question, no question, and then you'll learn. And
if you do a year two then you'll be you'll
do it differently even than that. Right, that's the way
it that's the way it works. How much other national
interest has there been in this sory of coaching both
both men's and women's Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Not much. Uh. I think you know that we're just
a four year small NAI institution. You know, I'm not
I'm not really well known of popular figure, So I
think that probably has a lot to do with it too.
And uh, I'm sure somebody else out there is doing
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it too. Uh, I just don't know who they are.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't know. I don't know either, I think it's great.
I can't wait to watch. I'm consider me a fan
and uh, I'd love to follow what but both what
the men and the women do and the idea of
having two different systems to me is also it sounds
like fun, like, hey, with this team, I'll try five out.
With this team, we'll play more rugged. But it else
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like a lot like a lot of mental gymnastics.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I think, you know, I won't be able to really
because I'm kind of pieced in my head what I
think it should look like. Sure, I think think, you know,
just trying to fast forward into what December or January
would look like. How hard is it going to be
after a women's game because we played back to back doubleheaders,
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so I wonder how hard it's going to be to
separate game one from game two. I think it will
be a unique dynamic for me. But yeah, kind of
like you said, it'll be fun and interesting all in
the same breath.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's an amazing story. Hey, coach, listen, I won't wish
you best of luck. I think it's awesome. I can't
wait to track it, and let's let's talk hoop more often.
Appreciate your time here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Nope, thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
App Let's get to the Fox As and now every
this time and the Bonus podcast play for you previous
a Fox portrayer or a Fox Ports one show. Here's Arrington
and Jonas Ducks talk about Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I'm just trying to find out what's the difference between Geno.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Smith and Sam Donald from a.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Quarterback play standpoint, that is there that much of a difference,
because that was the.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
I think they've had kind of like kind of comparable,
you know, starts.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Started with the Jets. Both got their start with the Jets.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
We know that goes for Jets quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
And I was going to say, well, it's not like
it would be the first time Sam Donald got benched
for another quarterback, right, I mean, let's let's not get
too carried away, too far away from you know, what
happened in the years prior to his resurgence, or or
not even resurgence, just emergence to begin with, for the
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first time in Minnesota last year, there could be a
lot of questions. Again, I've said this and I'm gonna
stick to it. For Minnesota to allow Sam Darnald to
leave for a player that has not proven himself yet,
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that missed the season due to an injury. To me,
that's the first red flag. That's the first thing that
says to me, you gotta be careful that this isn't
fool's goal with Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Just to Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, I
don't think it's fools gold. I think I understand that.
You know, you're looking at Kevin O'Connell. You're like, hey,
there's two straight quarterbacks who just lit up the world,
and he's like the quarterback whisper, being a former quarterback himself.
But I think it's also mature player, got to calm
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down and if you give him time, like there was
a reason he was a number three pick in the
NFL draft. But I understand, I don't know if it's
some of it's got to be proven to himself. Fus,
someone's gonna be proven the teammates. Someone's gonna be proven
the league. But I don't know. Sam Don's pretty good
his protection last two games was atrocious and so it's
his play. Here's Chris Brussar talking about the Pacers chances
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in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 7 (14:14):
The first thing they gotta do, Nick Tyres Halliburton has
to be a superstar, all right, and against the Thunder
he's not even been a star.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
No, he's been bad too.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
He's barely been a star Turk like in its four
games last two years.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Because these two teams.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
What these two teams.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Both have made the playoffs two years, So it's these
are these two years they've been together essentially twelve points
a game, eight and a half. Essential take that. You know,
the shooting numbers aren't bad or three point is down.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
But this year was even worse.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
This year, Nick, they went zero in to Hallerburton average
eleven points and five and a half assists. That point
total or average lowest against.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Any team in the league.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
The assists were tied for the lowest against any team
in the league, and he only attempted nine shots a game. Now,
what that tells me is he was passive. Haw Le
Burton cannot do that. They need him to not only
be engaged, but he has got to play like the
best basketball of his career if they're gonna pull off
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this historic upset. So that's number one.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Again. I don't I'm gonna side with Jay Stu here.
This is a kind of classic j Stu conversation, which
is I hate any sort of predictions when you have
no idea a number of shots, like we have no
idea who's gonna be guarded and how they're gonna be guarded,
and how it's going to play, and who's gonna be
in foul trouble. I I just hate that. I just
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hate that. Both teams play a lot of guys. Both
teams are very aggressive defensively. Obviously, the Pacers play at
the fastest pace in the NBA, and so they'll give up,
they'll give up some music ones because they want to
shove it down your throat. I think what's most interesting
is can the thunder slow the game down? Slow the
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game down? It doesn't mean you score less. It's in
the pace by which you get easy lamps, easy shots.
You gotta make the Pacers earn it, So that would
be my way of looking at it. Here's Rob Parker
talking about the next firing. Tom Thibodeaux.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
I told you over and over that the Knicks did
not overachieve, that they underachieve, and that Tom Thibodeau deserved
to be fired.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
And I tried to tell you this yesterday. We went
on and on and on about this, but we'll get
to this. Do you feel better? How do you feel
after yesterday you made your case that they were overachievers?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Not I don't want credit? Okay, I don't you do?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I want you you do want credit?
Speaker 5 (16:55):
N I want you to acknowledge that your argument yesterday.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
At that achieved.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
No, no, no, that the argument that they.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Overachieved was illogical, reckless and dumb.
Speaker 9 (17:07):
You just focusing on the Thibodeau because that you said
Thodau should be fired.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
He why would I say?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Why?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Why did I say he should be fired?
Speaker 9 (17:17):
I still stand on this. They overachieved. All walked into this,
we all, we all walked into this playoff series, including
you listening and the Knicks. We're gonna lose there. They're
not gonna be Boston. They're not gonna do this. Not terrible.
You spent the whole class about the Boston.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Not when they beat Boston and Indiana's in front of them.
Speaker 9 (17:39):
It's just you think.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
But I want you to say you're wrong, that you're
wrong about the achievement.
Speaker 9 (17:45):
No, no, no, I strongly stand on that. That's the part
I stand on morning, and they overachieved. Nobody expected this.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
No, they did not stop saying that. It's illogical what
you're saying. It doesn't make sense, Kelvin.
Speaker 9 (17:57):
Nobody did not next beat It was the Cell, was
the Cavaliers.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
No, you change expectations once they knocked off the defending champ.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Why would you change expectations once they knock off the
defending champ. That doesn't make any sense to me. I
don't know anybody who's reasonable who thinks that this was
a smart move. You know, what you win with in
the NBA oftentimes is consistency. And you could sit there
and go like, why do you like his rotations? Well,
(18:31):
it got them to the Eastern Conference finals. Did you
like it?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Then?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah? I struggle with that one. So I'm actually I'm
I'm with Delvin there. The Knicks did overachieve. And because
they overachieved, uh, the expectations where they were going to
beat the Pacers, and so much of the NBA is
about matchups, and they struggle with that matchup. They couldn't
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hide Carl Towns and jail brought to the court tea
time I got exposed and then they give way too
many transition baskets. I don't think he coached a perfect series,
but I also know that had they not choked away
Game one, it wouldn't matter. Would have been Game seven
at home. That's what the Fox said, I say.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Let's find out who are what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Doug.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I start off today with a very media story. You
me and people that create content for a living loved
the story yesterday. Lebron James on his official social media accounts,
I think he's got what tens of millions of followers
on each of the social media accounts. He put up
(19:59):
a I guess a promo for his own podcast, and
it includes something that you love. I know this is
this is one of your favorite things. He put a
bunch of tweets from random people saying how much they
love the podcast. So if you think about it, he's
got fifty eight million followers. Whatever it is. I'm guessing
you could find enough people that say, I really like
(20:22):
your podcast to fill a sixty minute promo. So you know,
Corvette Guy twenty eight, Lebron, I love your basketball talk.
And then, but here's the controversy. Throughout all of these
tweets with complimentary things about his podcasts, is sound from
(20:42):
Brian Windhorst saying Lebron doing a basketball only podcast is
not going to be listened to. People don't want to
hear a basketball podcast about basketball. People want to hear
about the storylines. And by the way, Windhorst was basically
(21:03):
saying what JJ Reddick said last year. Do you remember
this that He's like, I talk about the post game
for the Timberwolves and it gets ten thousand views. I
talk about Doc Rivers is a mess with the Bucks
and it got billions of views. That's how this that's
how this business works. So Lebron, in promoting his own podcast,
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was putting Brian Horse's Windhorse's voice against all these randoms
on Twitter who say they love the podcast. So that
was funny onto itself. And then there's the next part
of controversy, Lebron took it down, which is always the question.
I know you had a couple of situations during the season.
Do you take down a post or do you leave it?
(21:46):
I think you should always leave it up, because now
it looks worse for him.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
It does look worse. It does look worse. I don't
think there's any I don't think there's any disputing it
looks worse that way. I'm not in dispute of it.
But I will tell you though, and this is really important, okay,
is that I don't agree that you can't take down
a post. You can't just if it didn't land the
(22:14):
way you want it, like, eh, I don't think there's
anything that sinister about taking it down. I just I don't.
And I hate the guys that you took a strenge
out of the posts.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
And so.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
The one thing I would kind of agree with you
in regards to Lebron taking down a post, is any
post like that that has that much work that goes
into it has to have been prepped right. It was
not like it's it's not like my posts that occasionally
(22:47):
go awry a lot of times it's I'm barely paying
attention and it's just a thought that comes to my mind.
I thought it was funny, and I you know what
I mean. Whereas if you have all these tweets that
other people have, if you have video of Brian Windhoor
saying nobody's gonna like, somebody took a lot of time
to think up what's the perfect way to deliver a
(23:07):
tweet and we came up with it. Haha. Isn't this cool?
So I normally don't agree with you in terms of
taking down tweets because I do think like, if something
doesn't land the way you want, just take it down
and we move on. But for whatever reason, this is
one that sits differently with me, not because it's Lebron,
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but because somebody, and maybe it's Lebron and probably his team,
puts so much thought and effort into it. If you
think if I don't know, if you think that's fair.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Oh, it's your opinion. I'm I'm not going to disagree
with that, but I will say this, this, this could
not be a more media sexy story and it hasn't
gotten enough attention. And I hope everyone now just listens
to this podcast and realizes how good it is. It
involves Lebron James, the most maybe the most famous athlete
(23:56):
on the planet. It involves him having a petty, petty
thing with a reporter that he supposedly has known for
a better part of forty years. It involves tweets from
randoms that you love, you love that part about this,
tweets from Corvette Guy twenty eight to support your theory.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Just just so people are listening to the pod. Maybe
for the first time, I understand that is sarcasting from
Jason Stewart. Okay, it's literally like Jace two is in
search of the opposite of bullshit, right, That's what he
wants on his tombstone. What I want is maybe put
it on my tombstone. Is he was the guy who
said it was fucking stupid to care about people that
(24:37):
don't matter and put their tweets up on up on
legit TV shows and radio shows and podcasts.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
It's called platforming. Lebron James platformed. You know Lexis Guy
twenty one, And you don't think that Lexus twenty one
deserves to be platformed Lexisky twenty one, Lexusky twenty one, say,
do we think Lexisky.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
One that's better than Corvette Guy twenty three.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
No co guy is funnier.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Who else is? Who else is annoying you?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I love this. So my favorite guest to have on
this show. I don't know if you agree, but my
favorite guest on the show is Dan Dawkins. I think
he's great. He's hilarious, and he says interesting and important things.
He had Indiana Senator Jim Banks on yesterday. Jim Banks,
(25:29):
Senator from Indiana, weighing in on the Angel Reese racism allegation.
This is great.
Speaker 10 (25:36):
She accused the Indiana Fever fan base of being racist.
They investigated it, they said those accusations were false. The
least that she could do is apologize to our great
state and the fans that show up at these games
and say I'm sorry I was wrong. Obviously she's not
going to do that. But also, Dan, why isn't the
Indiana Fever apologizing to their own fan base for putting
(25:59):
them through that, for going through those types of accusations.
I mean, it's a Those are awful accusations. They weren't true.
The fans weren't shouting racial slurs toward Angel Reese or
opposing players.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
I think we spent a better part of last week's
Midway on this topic. Should there be a punishment in
place for false accusations? Just yesterday we read that Trevor
Bauer now can collect three hundred dollars from his accuser.
A judge has said that her accusation had zero merit
(26:35):
was false, it caused him public harm and the opportunity
to earn paychecks in Major League Baseball, and she is
subjected to pay him three hundred thousand dollars. You need
punitive measures in place for people who think they can
get away with this.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I e.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Jesse Smolette, he went to prison for falsely saying that
he was racially attacked. You have to have punitive measures
and police. And not only does the WNBA not have
punitive measures in place, they haven't even apologized to anybody
for this thing going the wrong way? As the senator
(27:14):
just said, why hasn't there better an official apology for
the inconvenience for the two weeks that the Fever fans
were all considered racists? Like where's where's that? Even?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
No, we do this all the time, all the time.
I wholeheartly agree with the senator and like do I
think there needs to be a lawsuit, Like no, but
I definitely think that this is just it's just a
clown show, and no one actually ever says, hey are bad,
you were right. This is not you know what I mean,
(27:48):
Like that's that's no one said anything racist. I just again,
I think it's I think it's such a bad look
for the WNBA, it's such a bad look for injuries.
And I also think that again, this is what happens,
is that because we don't make a big thing over
the fact that they are false accusations, it's Indiana forever.
(28:11):
Where's the scarlet letter? They just do. There's no proven
truth to any of this. And yet I do think
if you asked a percentage of people, a higher percentage
of people than you would think, maybe not fifty, but
definitely higher than twenty five think Indiana sports fans are racist.
Why Well, because they're white. Because that's the image of Indiana.
(28:34):
Indiana's image is that it's white. Indianapolis is a very
diverse city, by the way, But yeah, suburbs are white,
and I'm sure there's a there's a high percent I mean,
I don't know percentages or demographics. Just because you're white
does not mean you're a racist. I would hope that
most white people are not racists. I hope that the
(28:55):
number of people that are racist are decreasing by the day.
That was always my thought, And yeah, this one I don't.
I do think it's just it's one of those the
easy way to not completely crush your own ego is
just to go, hey, my bad. You know. But all
(29:16):
of this started, by the way, because of what was it,
Corvette Guy twenty three, People like Corvette Guy twenty three
thought they heard something posted on social media and went
on the attack of fever fan. That's really what happened.
It was not angel Rees, it was not not this time.
But I thought it was pretty crummy. And I actually
(29:37):
agree with the Center.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
It's funny you say that people can never just say
I was wrong, or people can never apologize for the
way they treated somebody. Sure, here's a great example. You
and I went through this last summer. What's the name
of this boxer sam Immani Khalif, Monica Iman Khalif, and Monkelodi. Yes, yeah,
(30:02):
won the gold medal Aman Khalif. I guess, depending on
where you are on the political spectrum, is either male
or female undefined. I guess we'll go for this. So
in the last couple of days it's been determined because
the World Boxing I think Association has now made it.
Moving forward, anybody over the age of eighteen that competes
(30:24):
in our events needs to undertake a basically a gender test,
a saliva test to determine your gender. This was heralded
by the right as an admission that Aman Khaliff does
not deserve the gold medal, sure that Aman Califf was
a man fighting women and that she should have the
(30:46):
gold medal taken away. A lot of noise, a lot
of we were right, and then the people on the
left who kept saying, you guys are transphobic for jumping
to conclusions, you guys are homophobic for all this, and
this is this is what's wrong with people they make
They make these accusations judged on just the eye tests,
(31:07):
and you guys.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Are all wrong.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Well right now the right is demanding apologies from the left,
saying for accusing them of something wrong because they think
this recent news makes them right. Uh. The annoying thing
is for somebody like me, I follow the way things
are covered very closely, probably too close. I care about
the way things are covered, and there's no in the middle.
(31:30):
It's everyone goes to their corner.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
And it's so frustrating and depressing for somebody looking for
the truth or the opposite of bullshit.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, uh, it is annoying. It's annoying that we that
no one wants to explain the nuance. Right, here's the
very likely nuance to it. I think there's a lot
of athletes that are women that have some sort of
androgynists male hormone as well, right, And it's kind of
(32:06):
in the middle, like are they technically are they a woman?
Speaker 6 (32:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Do they have some aspects of what makes men men? Yeah,
and that's probably what makes them better athletes. And I
would guess that there's a high there's a higher percentage
that we're willing that are not trans athletes. They haven't
had any sexual reassignment surgery or whatever. But we're unwilling
to have any of these discussions because well, that gets
in the way of our politics. So I'm with you,
(32:31):
and without any question, that is because we can.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Doug Gilbert Arenas was hired by one of the new
new rights holders for the NBA. I want to say
it was Amazon. I wonder what Amazon thinks of Gilbert
Arenas's analysis of Carl Anthony Towns After all cat himself.
It's it's him.
Speaker 11 (33:05):
It's his physical makeup, long legs, short tulso, big ass feet.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
There's nothing he can do.
Speaker 11 (33:12):
He's built like a whole fucking bitch. He's built gets
built like a girl. The girl hips He's like a
full w NBA player.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Somebody wants to get fired from TV before they're ever
on TV. But I will say that is the kind
of ship that guys talk about when there's not microphones
in from of him. God bless Gilbertinas for saying stuff
that other guys would would say but wouldn't say it
in public. Whack we play for you because we can't.
That's it for the end of Modus Podcast. You got
the radio show three to five Eastern twelve too, Pacific
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Box Sports Radio. I Heart Radio app I'm to Godleig
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug gottlie What.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in. We're a
day away from the NBA Finals at the time of
this recording. You can listen to this podcast whenever. And
I think it's always interesting, right, Like, what was the
thing you were worried about with the Thunder to start
(00:31):
the start the playoffs? It was that they hadn't won
in the playoffs yet, right, And it's a little bit
like coaching in the NBA. In order to coach in
the in order to coach a championship team in the NBA,
you have to have won a championship. In order to
win a championship, you have to have coached a championship
team in the NBA. Right, in order to have people
believe in you in the NBA and the finals, you
(00:51):
have to have performed in the playoffs and or perform
the playoffs. You have to have previously performed the playoffs.
It's just it's I I'm pretty sure the Thunder are
going to win this series. Again, I don't know, because games,
sometimes guys don't make shots, sometimes guys don't get calls.
But our one fear with the Thunder is they'd run
into an older, more physical team that had played playoff
(01:14):
basketball and they had not. And that nearly happened against
the Nuggets, only the Nuggets couldn't stay healthy. That's not
the case with the Pacers. So why are we talking
ourselves into the Pacers beating the Thunder when it's just
not a bad matchup for the Thunder, just not You
know what I want to do is I want to
get to get to our first guest. So there's all
(01:35):
kinds of unique stories in sports. I love using the
pod to discuss one. So people think I work a
lot because I host the radio show, we do the pod,
and of course some had basketball coach. What if I
told you there's a coach in college basketball who's going
to coach both the men's and the women's team at
the same time at the same school. His name is
(01:57):
Stephen Barker, and I love unique stories and obviously doing
double duty being a head coach and hosting the show.
People make a big deal about it. I don't think
it's a huge deal, especially as you get kind of
a year in and you start to understand all that
you need for one job, all that you need for
the next. Again, then I read this story. Our next
(02:20):
guest is he's the head women's coach at the University
of Southwest, name Stephen Barker. He joins us now on
the Doug Oatlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Coach, how
are you.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm doing well, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
How was your year? Last year at Southwest?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It was unique. I got the job extremely late, didn't
get a chance to recruit, so I got very very
blessed and fortunate to have a great group of young ladies.
I started August seventh, right at about ten or so
days before school started. Our year was fourteen and fifteen,
(02:56):
ten and fourteen in the league. We didn't make it
to the conference tournament. Not everybody qualifies. We were very
fortunate to get in the last week. Overall, it was
a good year though.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Okay, Now, University of Southwest is in Hobbs, New Mexico.
Is that right, yes, sir? Okay, how far is that
from Area fifty one?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You don't know where Area fifty one is. I guess
you're not. Nobody's supposed to know, right. It's actually it's
very close to the Texas border, though, isn't it. I mean,
you guys are close to the Texas border.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm saying, yeah, yeah, we're right on the line.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, okay, right, Hobbs At Hobbs of New Mexico is
right there on the border of Texas. How big a
city is it?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I think the signs say fifty four thousand is a population?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Sure, sure, Okay, So you're the women's coach, it's toughier
get the job late. I can get that. You can
attest When did the men's job come open?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
About a month ago? Our previous men's coach, I believe
has another job, and we brought another person in and
then that purpose and left because he was able to
get another job. I went to our athletic director a
little bit of selfish reasons, wanted to be able to
kind of halfway control the scheduling with the men and
(04:24):
the women. Kind of pitched my idea with some help
that I suggested that I needed that I think would
be able to make this work. And he went for it.
And we're bringing in the guy that I'm hiring tomorrow.
Actually he'll be on campus. But a little bit of
how you described at the beginning of this was, you know,
it's a job and then on to the next so
(04:47):
similar to what you were talking about at the beginning
of this.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Okay, so you're the head men's and the head women's coach, Yes, sir,
What does that challenge be like?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's too early to tell, you know, I think a
lot of it is. I have a lot of support
from administration, and we have a graduate assistant who is
my former player. She really really wanted to coach before
this whole thing even came about, and she's really really
helped me a bunch as far as recruiting goes and
some of the meticulous administration paperwork duties, as far as transcripts,
(05:24):
you know, all that off the floor stuff that has
to get taken care of. The guy I'm bringing in.
Coach will Osborne has been great. He's been helping me recruit.
You know. I've just been very, very blessed to have
all the support that I need. You know, I have
the title, but I have all the people around me
basically doing all the work.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I mean, has this ever happened before? Because when I
saw the story, I was like, we got to get
coach on because that one I have never heard of before.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I think if i'm if I'm not, I mean, somebody
will be able to care if I'm wrong. But I
believe it happened in our league a year or two
ago at LSU Shreveport, where coach Blankenship for a brief
period of time, had to do the men and the women.
I don't know that story off the top of my head,
(06:15):
but I believe I hate to be wrong on my information,
but I believe he had rather well success for that
brief period of time that he'd done it.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So when you introduce yourself, now, I guess you just
introduced yourself as the basketball coach at Southwest, right, like,
as you are the basketball coach. Yeah, I knew, but
then somebody says were the women's coaching the men's coach?
And then you say well both. They're like what.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, it's actually unique that you know. I'm able to
talk to you because I grew up in Guthrie, Oklahoma,
and I watched you play. Literally, it's amazing how we're
like thirty miles apart from when you were in Stillwater
and I was in Guthrie.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Sure, I've been to got through many a time. A
matter of fact, my kids living in Edmund so I
know the area. So well, are you going to run
the same offense.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
That's going to depend on a lot on recruiting. The
women are more than ess five out with the men.
You know, in a perfect world, which I know we
don't live in, I kind of like to have more
sets and that grinded out tom Izzo's style of play.
But you know that we're not really you know, the
board is pretty open, still kind of waiting on guys
(07:33):
to commit, and I get it. You know, everybody's testing
the water, so to speak. A lot of that will
come down to recruiting and if we can get a
couple of bigs that that can kind of fit that
style of what we want to do.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
If not, I mean, I like, I couldn't you like again,
I've coached multiple AU teams, right, you call the plays
all the same plays? You may run different plays, may
may run different ones. But I just wonder in terms
of your own your brain, you know, oh, we don't
call it that. We call that that with the men's team.
(08:07):
We call this the women's team. That's the only part
that I feel like has got to be really hard.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, I think I think a lot of our stuff
is just going to be uniformed to a degree. I think,
especially now, you know, I thought about, Okay, well, people
are going to be able to scout and things like
that and pick up on what we do. You know,
there's enough film and scauting reports and resources and technology.
Nobody's really high anything anymore. So I would say to
(08:35):
put a percentage on it. Both teams will probably run
eighty percent of the same stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Sure. Sure. Stephen Barker is our guest. He's the head
coach men's and women's coach at the University of Southwesterns
and Hobbs, New Mexico. He joins us in the Doug
Outleb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Are you practice is
going to be back to back one morning, one afternoon?
How are you going to do it? I know part
of why you do it was the gym time. How
(09:01):
are you going to do it?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah? I think last year the women were on from
two to four and the men were four to six.
I'll try to stagger that out a little bit more.
The women will go first, they play first, and I'm
going to try to have it to where there's gonna
be some gym availability in between practices so the girls
(09:24):
can still get shot up and stuff while they're in
their workout gear of practice stuff instead of having to
go back to the dorms or their campus apartments, whatever
the case may be, and then you know, get rested
and then come back. Or most of us said something
that's really really hard to do. So I'll try to
stagger out practice times a little bit differently. I'm not
going to say better, just differently, no.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
No, no question, no question, and then you'll learn. And
if you do a year two then you'll be you'll
do it differently even than that. Right, that's the way
it that's the way it works. How much other national
interest has there been in this sory of coaching both
both men's and women's Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Not much. Uh. I think you know that we're just
a four year small NAI institution. You know, I'm not
I'm not really well known of popular figure, So I
think that probably has a lot to do with it too.
And uh, I'm sure somebody else out there is doing
(10:26):
it too. Uh, I just don't know who they are.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't know. I don't know either, I think it's great.
I can't wait to watch. I'm consider me a fan
and uh, I'd love to follow what but both what
the men and the women do and the idea of
having two different systems to me is also it sounds
like fun, like, hey, with this team, I'll try five out.
With this team, we'll play more rugged. But it else
(10:49):
like a lot like a lot of mental gymnastics.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I think, you know, I won't be able to really
because I'm kind of pieced in my head what I
think it should look like. Sure, I think think, you know,
just trying to fast forward into what December or January
would look like. How hard is it going to be
after a women's game because we played back to back doubleheaders,
(11:12):
so I wonder how hard it's going to be to
separate game one from game two. I think it will
be a unique dynamic for me. But yeah, kind of
like you said, it'll be fun and interesting all in
the same breath.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's an amazing story. Hey, coach, listen, I won't wish
you best of luck. I think it's awesome. I can't
wait to track it, and let's let's talk hoop more often.
Appreciate your time here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Nope, thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
App Let's get to the Fox As and now every
this time and the Bonus podcast play for you previous
a Fox portrayer or a Fox Ports one show. Here's Arrington
and Jonas Ducks talk about Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I'm just trying to find out what's the difference between Geno.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Smith and Sam Donald from a.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Quarterback play standpoint, that is there that much of a difference,
because that was the.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
I think they've had kind of like kind of comparable,
you know, starts.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Started with the Jets. Both got their start with the Jets.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
We know that goes for Jets quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
And I was going to say, well, it's not like
it would be the first time Sam Donald got benched
for another quarterback, right, I mean, let's let's not get
too carried away, too far away from you know, what
happened in the years prior to his resurgence, or or
not even resurgence, just emergence to begin with, for the
(12:51):
first time in Minnesota last year, there could be a
lot of questions. Again, I've said this and I'm gonna
stick to it. For Minnesota to allow Sam Darnald to
leave for a player that has not proven himself yet,
(13:11):
that missed the season due to an injury. To me,
that's the first red flag. That's the first thing that
says to me, you gotta be careful that this isn't
fool's goal with Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Just to Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, I
don't think it's fools gold. I think I understand that.
You know, you're looking at Kevin O'Connell. You're like, hey,
there's two straight quarterbacks who just lit up the world,
and he's like the quarterback whisper, being a former quarterback himself.
But I think it's also mature player, got to calm
(13:51):
down and if you give him time, like there was
a reason he was a number three pick in the
NFL draft. But I understand, I don't know if it's
some of it's got to be proven to himself. Fus,
someone's gonna be proven the teammates. Someone's gonna be proven
the league. But I don't know. Sam Don's pretty good
his protection last two games was atrocious and so it's
his play. Here's Chris Brussar talking about the Pacers chances
(14:12):
in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 7 (14:14):
The first thing they gotta do, Nick Tyres Halliburton has
to be a superstar, all right, and against the Thunder
he's not even been a star.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
No, he's been bad too.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
He's barely been a star Turk like in its four
games last two years.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Because these two teams.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
What these two teams.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Both have made the playoffs two years, So it's these
are these two years they've been together essentially twelve points
a game, eight and a half. Essential take that. You know,
the shooting numbers aren't bad or three point is down.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
But this year was even worse.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
This year, Nick, they went zero in to Hallerburton average
eleven points and five and a half assists. That point
total or average lowest against.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Any team in the league.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
The assists were tied for the lowest against any team
in the league, and he only attempted nine shots a game. Now,
what that tells me is he was passive. Haw Le
Burton cannot do that. They need him to not only
be engaged, but he has got to play like the
best basketball of his career if they're gonna pull off
(15:21):
this historic upset. So that's number one.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Again. I don't I'm gonna side with Jay Stu here.
This is a kind of classic j Stu conversation, which
is I hate any sort of predictions when you have
no idea a number of shots, like we have no
idea who's gonna be guarded and how they're gonna be guarded,
and how it's going to play, and who's gonna be
in foul trouble. I I just hate that. I just
(15:51):
hate that. Both teams play a lot of guys. Both
teams are very aggressive defensively. Obviously, the Pacers play at
the fastest pace in the NBA, and so they'll give up,
they'll give up some music ones because they want to
shove it down your throat. I think what's most interesting
is can the thunder slow the game down? Slow the
(16:13):
game down? It doesn't mean you score less. It's in
the pace by which you get easy lamps, easy shots.
You gotta make the Pacers earn it, So that would
be my way of looking at it. Here's Rob Parker
talking about the next firing. Tom Thibodeaux.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
I told you over and over that the Knicks did
not overachieve, that they underachieve, and that Tom Thibodeau deserved
to be fired.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
And I tried to tell you this yesterday. We went
on and on and on about this, but we'll get
to this. Do you feel better? How do you feel
after yesterday you made your case that they were overachievers?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Not I don't want credit? Okay, I don't you do?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I want you you do want credit?
Speaker 5 (16:55):
N I want you to acknowledge that your argument yesterday.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
At that achieved.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
No, no, no, that the argument that they.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Overachieved was illogical, reckless and dumb.
Speaker 9 (17:07):
You just focusing on the Thibodeau because that you said
Thodau should be fired.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
He why would I say?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Why?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Why did I say he should be fired?
Speaker 9 (17:17):
I still stand on this. They overachieved. All walked into this,
we all, we all walked into this playoff series, including
you listening and the Knicks. We're gonna lose there. They're
not gonna be Boston. They're not gonna do this. Not terrible.
You spent the whole class about the Boston.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Not when they beat Boston and Indiana's in front of them.
Speaker 9 (17:39):
It's just you think.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
But I want you to say you're wrong, that you're
wrong about the achievement.
Speaker 9 (17:45):
No, no, no, I strongly stand on that. That's the part
I stand on morning, and they overachieved. Nobody expected this.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
No, they did not stop saying that. It's illogical what
you're saying. It doesn't make sense, Kelvin.
Speaker 9 (17:57):
Nobody did not next beat It was the Cell, was
the Cavaliers.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
No, you change expectations once they knocked off the defending champ.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Why would you change expectations once they knock off the
defending champ. That doesn't make any sense to me. I
don't know anybody who's reasonable who thinks that this was
a smart move. You know, what you win with in
the NBA oftentimes is consistency. And you could sit there
and go like, why do you like his rotations? Well,
(18:31):
it got them to the Eastern Conference finals. Did you
like it?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Then?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah? I struggle with that one. So I'm actually I'm
I'm with Delvin there. The Knicks did overachieve. And because
they overachieved, uh, the expectations where they were going to
beat the Pacers, and so much of the NBA is
about matchups, and they struggle with that matchup. They couldn't
(18:56):
hide Carl Towns and jail brought to the court tea
time I got exposed and then they give way too
many transition baskets. I don't think he coached a perfect series,
but I also know that had they not choked away
Game one, it wouldn't matter. Would have been Game seven
at home. That's what the Fox said, I say.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Let's find out who are what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Doug.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I start off today with a very media story. You
me and people that create content for a living loved
the story yesterday. Lebron James on his official social media accounts,
I think he's got what tens of millions of followers
on each of the social media accounts. He put up
(19:59):
a I guess a promo for his own podcast, and
it includes something that you love. I know this is
this is one of your favorite things. He put a
bunch of tweets from random people saying how much they
love the podcast. So if you think about it, he's
got fifty eight million followers. Whatever it is. I'm guessing
you could find enough people that say, I really like
(20:22):
your podcast to fill a sixty minute promo. So you know,
Corvette Guy twenty eight, Lebron, I love your basketball talk.
And then, but here's the controversy. Throughout all of these
tweets with complimentary things about his podcasts, is sound from
(20:42):
Brian Windhorst saying Lebron doing a basketball only podcast is
not going to be listened to. People don't want to
hear a basketball podcast about basketball. People want to hear
about the storylines. And by the way, Windhorst was basically
(21:03):
saying what JJ Reddick said last year. Do you remember
this that He's like, I talk about the post game
for the Timberwolves and it gets ten thousand views. I
talk about Doc Rivers is a mess with the Bucks
and it got billions of views. That's how this that's
how this business works. So Lebron, in promoting his own podcast,
(21:24):
was putting Brian Horse's Windhorse's voice against all these randoms
on Twitter who say they love the podcast. So that
was funny onto itself. And then there's the next part
of controversy, Lebron took it down, which is always the question.
I know you had a couple of situations during the season.
Do you take down a post or do you leave it?
(21:46):
I think you should always leave it up, because now
it looks worse for him.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
It does look worse. It does look worse. I don't
think there's any I don't think there's any disputing it
looks worse that way. I'm not in dispute of it.
But I will tell you though, and this is really important, okay,
is that I don't agree that you can't take down
a post. You can't just if it didn't land the
(22:14):
way you want it, like, eh, I don't think there's
anything that sinister about taking it down. I just I don't.
And I hate the guys that you took a strenge
out of the posts.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
And so.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
The one thing I would kind of agree with you
in regards to Lebron taking down a post, is any
post like that that has that much work that goes
into it has to have been prepped right. It was
not like it's it's not like my posts that occasionally
(22:47):
go awry a lot of times it's I'm barely paying
attention and it's just a thought that comes to my mind.
I thought it was funny, and I you know what
I mean. Whereas if you have all these tweets that
other people have, if you have video of Brian Windhoor
saying nobody's gonna like, somebody took a lot of time
to think up what's the perfect way to deliver a
(23:07):
tweet and we came up with it. Haha. Isn't this cool?
So I normally don't agree with you in terms of
taking down tweets because I do think like, if something
doesn't land the way you want, just take it down
and we move on. But for whatever reason, this is
one that sits differently with me, not because it's Lebron,
(23:28):
but because somebody, and maybe it's Lebron and probably his team,
puts so much thought and effort into it. If you
think if I don't know, if you think that's fair.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Oh, it's your opinion. I'm I'm not going to disagree
with that, but I will say this, this, this could
not be a more media sexy story and it hasn't
gotten enough attention. And I hope everyone now just listens
to this podcast and realizes how good it is. It
involves Lebron James, the most maybe the most famous athlete
(23:56):
on the planet. It involves him having a petty, petty
thing with a reporter that he supposedly has known for
a better part of forty years. It involves tweets from
randoms that you love, you love that part about this,
tweets from Corvette Guy twenty eight to support your theory.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Just just so people are listening to the pod. Maybe
for the first time, I understand that is sarcasting from
Jason Stewart. Okay, it's literally like Jace two is in
search of the opposite of bullshit, right, That's what he
wants on his tombstone. What I want is maybe put
it on my tombstone. Is he was the guy who
said it was fucking stupid to care about people that
(24:37):
don't matter and put their tweets up on up on
legit TV shows and radio shows and podcasts.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
It's called platforming. Lebron James platformed. You know Lexis Guy
twenty one, And you don't think that Lexus twenty one
deserves to be platformed Lexisky twenty one, Lexusky twenty one, say,
do we think Lexisky.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
One that's better than Corvette Guy twenty three.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
No co guy is funnier.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Who else is? Who else is annoying you?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I love this. So my favorite guest to have on
this show. I don't know if you agree, but my
favorite guest on the show is Dan Dawkins. I think
he's great. He's hilarious, and he says interesting and important things.
He had Indiana Senator Jim Banks on yesterday. Jim Banks,
(25:29):
Senator from Indiana, weighing in on the Angel Reese racism allegation.
This is great.
Speaker 10 (25:36):
She accused the Indiana Fever fan base of being racist.
They investigated it, they said those accusations were false. The
least that she could do is apologize to our great
state and the fans that show up at these games
and say I'm sorry I was wrong. Obviously she's not
going to do that. But also, Dan, why isn't the
Indiana Fever apologizing to their own fan base for putting
(25:59):
them through that, for going through those types of accusations.
I mean, it's a Those are awful accusations. They weren't true.
The fans weren't shouting racial slurs toward Angel Reese or
opposing players.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
I think we spent a better part of last week's
Midway on this topic. Should there be a punishment in
place for false accusations? Just yesterday we read that Trevor
Bauer now can collect three hundred dollars from his accuser.
A judge has said that her accusation had zero merit
(26:35):
was false, it caused him public harm and the opportunity
to earn paychecks in Major League Baseball, and she is
subjected to pay him three hundred thousand dollars. You need
punitive measures in place for people who think they can
get away with this.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I e.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Jesse Smolette, he went to prison for falsely saying that
he was racially attacked. You have to have punitive measures
and police. And not only does the WNBA not have
punitive measures in place, they haven't even apologized to anybody
for this thing going the wrong way? As the senator
(27:14):
just said, why hasn't there better an official apology for
the inconvenience for the two weeks that the Fever fans
were all considered racists? Like where's where's that? Even?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
No, we do this all the time, all the time.
I wholeheartly agree with the senator and like do I
think there needs to be a lawsuit, Like no, but
I definitely think that this is just it's just a
clown show, and no one actually ever says, hey are bad,
you were right. This is not you know what I mean,
(27:48):
Like that's that's no one said anything racist. I just again,
I think it's I think it's such a bad look
for the WNBA, it's such a bad look for injuries.
And I also think that again, this is what happens,
is that because we don't make a big thing over
the fact that they are false accusations, it's Indiana forever.
(28:11):
Where's the scarlet letter? They just do. There's no proven
truth to any of this. And yet I do think
if you asked a percentage of people, a higher percentage
of people than you would think, maybe not fifty, but
definitely higher than twenty five think Indiana sports fans are racist.
Why Well, because they're white. Because that's the image of Indiana.
(28:34):
Indiana's image is that it's white. Indianapolis is a very
diverse city, by the way, But yeah, suburbs are white,
and I'm sure there's a there's a high percent I mean,
I don't know percentages or demographics. Just because you're white
does not mean you're a racist. I would hope that
most white people are not racists. I hope that the
(28:55):
number of people that are racist are decreasing by the day.
That was always my thought, And yeah, this one I don't.
I do think it's just it's one of those the
easy way to not completely crush your own ego is
just to go, hey, my bad. You know. But all
(29:16):
of this started, by the way, because of what was it,
Corvette Guy twenty three, People like Corvette Guy twenty three
thought they heard something posted on social media and went
on the attack of fever fan. That's really what happened.
It was not angel Rees, it was not not this time.
But I thought it was pretty crummy. And I actually
(29:37):
agree with the Center.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
It's funny you say that people can never just say
I was wrong, or people can never apologize for the
way they treated somebody. Sure, here's a great example. You
and I went through this last summer. What's the name
of this boxer sam Immani Khalif, Monica Iman Khalif, and Monkelodi. Yes, yeah,
(30:02):
won the gold medal Aman Khalif. I guess, depending on
where you are on the political spectrum, is either male
or female undefined. I guess we'll go for this. So
in the last couple of days it's been determined because
the World Boxing I think Association has now made it.
Moving forward, anybody over the age of eighteen that competes
(30:24):
in our events needs to undertake a basically a gender test,
a saliva test to determine your gender. This was heralded
by the right as an admission that Aman Khaliff does
not deserve the gold medal, sure that Aman Califf was
a man fighting women and that she should have the
(30:46):
gold medal taken away. A lot of noise, a lot
of we were right, and then the people on the
left who kept saying, you guys are transphobic for jumping
to conclusions, you guys are homophobic for all this, and
this is this is what's wrong with people they make
They make these accusations judged on just the eye tests,
(31:07):
and you guys.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Are all wrong.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Well right now the right is demanding apologies from the left,
saying for accusing them of something wrong because they think
this recent news makes them right. Uh. The annoying thing
is for somebody like me, I follow the way things
are covered very closely, probably too close. I care about
the way things are covered, and there's no in the middle.
(31:30):
It's everyone goes to their corner.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
And it's so frustrating and depressing for somebody looking for
the truth or the opposite of bullshit.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, uh, it is annoying. It's annoying that we that
no one wants to explain the nuance. Right, here's the
very likely nuance to it. I think there's a lot
of athletes that are women that have some sort of
androgynists male hormone as well, right, And it's kind of
(32:06):
in the middle, like are they technically are they a woman?
Speaker 6 (32:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Do they have some aspects of what makes men men? Yeah,
and that's probably what makes them better athletes. And I
would guess that there's a high there's a higher percentage
that we're willing that are not trans athletes. They haven't
had any sexual reassignment surgery or whatever. But we're unwilling
to have any of these discussions because well, that gets
in the way of our politics. So I'm with you,
(32:31):
and without any question, that is because we can.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Doug Gilbert Arenas was hired by one of the new
new rights holders for the NBA. I want to say
it was Amazon. I wonder what Amazon thinks of Gilbert
Arenas's analysis of Carl Anthony Towns After all cat himself.
It's it's him.
Speaker 11 (33:05):
It's his physical makeup, long legs, short tulso, big ass feet.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
There's nothing he can do.
Speaker 11 (33:12):
He's built like a whole fucking bitch. He's built gets
built like a girl. The girl hips He's like a
full w NBA player.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Somebody wants to get fired from TV before they're ever
on TV. But I will say that is the kind
of ship that guys talk about when there's not microphones
in from of him. God bless Gilbertinas for saying stuff
that other guys would would say but wouldn't say it
in public. Whack we play for you because we can't.
That's it for the end of Modus Podcast. You got
the radio show three to five Eastern twelve too, Pacific
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