June 17, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug sums up game five of the NBA Finals as Oklahoma City takes a 3-2 series lead. Doug answers the question: what should Rick Carlisle do with Tyrese Haliburton? Doug weighs in on the Stephen A Smith/Solitaire controversy. Doug welcomes prolific podcaster John Middlekauff onto the show to talk football and golf. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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summy sunny Southern days meet sunny summer day. I said,
Southern sunurd day. Let's get right after it. Okay, So
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by now you heard the story Tyrese Haliburton. It explains
a lot of it, right, Like, man, how does a
dude that's so good? B? So, what's the term mid? Right?
That's the kids say, it was so mid last night.
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The only thing you can think of is he's injured.
And look, they were a prohibitive underdog going into last
night last night the thunder one that thunder covered. They
were a prohibitive underdog going into the series and again
winning Game one. I think many people. Dan Byer was
one of those people, was like I was, you know
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when the when the Heat beat the Thunder, the Thunder
went won game one and then it was a gentleman
sweep in five games. But it's when they won Game
three that Okay, now you have my attention. Now we
have the series. Their inability to capitalize on a late
lead in Game four ends up now becoming game five.
In game five, it does feel over despite the fact
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that the Pacers, you know, they got a win two
games as opposed to Oklahoma City only has to win one. Uh,
but it's hard to go. Hey, where do you pick
and what do you say? Here's Mark Dagno, who's who's
the head coach of the Thunder, talking about the team
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playing in front of their home fans.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I think the crowd puts the win at our back.
I'm always I always marvel at how enthusiastic and positive
they remain in the ebbs and flows of a game
or of a season. You know, they're always trying to
put the win at our back. They're always trying to
lift the team up, and I just think that's a
great spirit that's on display in all these games, but
they were amazing tonight.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Obviously, fans don't win games. Teams win games, but the
fans can definitely help you. We'll get We'll circle back
to Oklahoma City a second. Here's Rick Carlisle talk about
Halliburton's injury.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
He's not one hundred percent. It's pretty clear, but I
don't think he's gonna miss.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
The next game.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
And you know, we were concerned at halftime, and uh,
he insisted I'm playing and I thought, I thought he
made a lot of really good things happened in the
second half. But he's he's not He's not one hundred percent,
you know, and there's a lot of guys in the
series that aren't.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Here's Haliburton talking about his calf injury.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
I mean, c NBA Finals, it's the finals, man. I've
worked my whole life to be here, and I want
to be out there to compete, you know, help my
teammates anyway I can. You know, I was not great
tonight by any means, but uh, you know, it's not
really a thought of mine to to not play here.
You know, if I if icking, uh you know, walk,
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then then I want to play.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
So you know, they.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Understand that and uh, you know is what it is,
and uh you know, I gotta be ready to go
for Game six.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, so there's a bunch of different ways we could
go with it. Uh I. I do believe the thunders
defense was outstanding. I also think that the Thunder what
there's home crowd, the way they play, they shorten their
bench as well, but they get away with being really
really physical, physical defensively. And I know he didn't shoot
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the ball well last night, but Caruso just has been
so important for what they do. But anytime you get
forty points from your second best scorer and your leading
scorers got thirty. I don't track it, but I would
guess that that's like a ninety five to ninety eight
percent of the time. You get seventy combined with good
shooting percentages from two dudes, you're gonna win more games
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then you lose. The secret sauce is their defense. Some
of the energy to that secret sauce is the crowd
support is the officials reaction to that crowd support is
the way they play. I don't think the Pacers played
tentative in any way. If anything, a team that plays
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fast does have a tendency to get sped up, but
they could never really get a hand on the Thunder
last night, and that game was never within really reach
of them. In the second hand, there's never a h
but here they go. It was a lot more like
what Game one would have been like had the Thunder
done the right things to close the door at the end.
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Which brings us around. And this is why seven games,
even though it's long and it's spread out and it
can be hard to pay attention for those of us
with that sports add that we want answers to who's
the champion? Now, now, now, now now. Ultimately, partially with
the help of an injury to Halliburton, but mostly because
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they're just better, the Thunder are gonna win the series,
which is why it's a seven game series. If there's
a one game series that's an unbelievable comeback and unbelievable
win and the pacer of your champion, it's not and
generally not always the better team wins or the healthier
team wins, and this case, the better healthier team will win.
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They will win. Now, I will say this about this
is a weird one with Oklahoma City. Weird from this
standpoint that on some level it's bad for the NBA
because small markets don't have big ratings and the thunder
are good and they're going to be good. Are they
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going to be a champion ten times over? I don't know.
I don't know how they react to what's going to
be a late summer of celebration Oklahoma. Right, everybody can say, hey, look,
I'm based upon talent, but you can lose yourself when
you're the toast of an absolute state, not just town,
a state and you got like a month to go celebrate,
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or maybe two months to go celebrate. But they're going
to be good for a while. And if you're going
to be good for a while and you're a small
market and you don't have huge names and shake Gills,
Eleazanderson outstanding basketball player, I don't think he'll ever be
some amazing corporate superstar the likes of which we've seen
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even from a Damian Lillard, who he's a much better
player than Damian Lillard. Okay, but Damian Lillard because of Oakland,
because he can rap, because he just he has a
really cool personal story with Weaver State. It feels like
Damian Lillard has kind of broken through, even though his
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game is not as good as Shay's game. But if
you don't have a superstar, if you don't have a Durant,
you don't have a Westbrook, you don't have somebody who
will be a rating straw, and you have a really
good team, it's going to be a bit of a
problem for the NBA. Not a huge problem because people
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are still watching, but the overall ratings when they're in
big games won't be great. That said, I do think
it's great from the NBA are all professional sports, because
here's a market that when they first got there, it
wasn't big enough. It shouldn't have been able to support
an NBA team. The only reason they ever got a
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team was because of Hurricane Katrina. Right, they had Hurricane Katrina.
So they got the Pelicans for two years. And they
only got the Pelicans for two years because you had
a bunch of local businessmen who are like, hey, we
don't care if we lose money. We just want our
city to be recognized as as a as a major
league city. So they get the they get the then
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Hornets make it work. Hornets go back, and Horns didn't
want to go back. They were kind of forced to
go back. Like it's New Orleans. You can't lose the team.
Clay Bennett goes and buys the Sonics, They move the Sonics,
and the rest, as they say, is history. They got
an unbelievable GM who's been able to sustain, for the
most part, successful teams year after year after year. But
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the home court advantage, the crowd showing up, which that's
what it was like in Oklahoma State when I played,
That's what it's like in Oklahoma and football. It's the
combination of those two, which by the way, has hurt
both of those crowds oh U football and OSU basketball.
But they're more like collegiate fans. They show up at
the airport, win or lose. They cheer for you when
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you're down twenty. They don't walk out right. They wear
team colors like their school colors. It's a completely different vibe.
And we've seen this in the NBA before. Sacramento has
had it, a couple other small market teams have had it.
But the uniqueness of this story a city that was
that small when they got the team, a team that
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trade away star players who weren't going to be there
anymore and used it to get draft picks and traded
for Shay Gildsess Alexander and he became an MVP. All
these things are an unbelievab unique story, which is a
great thing. Not as many people will hear it or
watch it because of the size of the market. Buyer,
Do you think there's any way this series isn't over?
Speaker 7 (09:56):
No, Well, I think it'll go game seven. I think
the Pacers can win Game six. So I'm gonna say
Indiana holds serve on Thursday, with or without Haliburton. I'll
just if and Sham's reported that he's going to have
an MRI here just to determine the severity of the injury.
But I'll say the Pacers end up winning Game six
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and we have a Game seven. What I do think
is interesting about the Oklahoma City thing is it's small market,
but I also think that it's the one team market.
And if you go back to the Blazers of the seventies,
which I wasn't around, but that's Rip City and that's
where Rip City ended up originating. I remember the Jazz
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and their run obviously with Stockton Malone in the nineties,
what it was like to play in Salt Lake in
dealing with that. San Antonio had a great team, no
doubt about it. Like that really helps when you're playing
those things. But I also think that there is just
something so unique about the one team market, and I
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think that's what makes it, in my mind cool for
Oklahoma City because it's not like they're ever going to
get an NFL team, right, You're not going to have
one in Oklahoma City. So that's kind of their baby
in that way, and I find that pretty cool. But
we've seen it throughout NBA history and now this time
around it's turning into Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, I think it's Jase, do you had something?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I got a question?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, there's a question that needs an answer, and the answer.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
Is if only there was someone with the authority and
the wisdom to give.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Us that answer. No, I'm the head coach.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
I get to set the schedule.
Speaker 8 (11:42):
Hold on, let's ask the coach.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
So you have a you have a player saying that
he wants to play, he really wants to play, He's
obviously compromised. Sham says that it's a CAF strain severity TBD.
Then you have a head coach who says that the
player insisted on being on the court. If you're a
Pacers fan, wouldn't you want your head coach to be
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more discerning than that? If he's hurting the team, why
not tap into somebody who's one.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Again, I don't know the severity, I don't know the
pain threshold. I don't know what a shot will do.
There's so much I don't know. It's really really unfair.
Go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Here's what I think is interesting is if this was Lebron, like,
they're not pulling him. But this adds to the Halliburton
debate on who is he?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
What is he?
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Is he overrated? Is he not overrated? Is he a superstar?
Is he not a superstar? And I think Jason's question
really kind of straddles that line and the decision on
Rick Carlile. Like Carlile obviously is treating him like he's
Lebron on James, and that no matter what happens, unless
your entire body cramps up, you're going to be out
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on the floor. But to Jason's point, maybe they're better
without Tyrese Haliburton. I think that adds to the intrigue
on this debate and if there's anything we're going to
take from these finals maybe that's it that Tyreese Halliburton
now is just a normal part of our conversation when
we debate the NBA for whatever, you know, variety of reasons.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I think all that's fair. Again, I just if you
don't know the severity of it. My guess is he's
got a he's got a partially torn calf, right, Like,
that's a reasonable guess. If it's fully torn, then he
won't be able to play. There's nothing you can do.
It's very likely to be partially torn, like a sprain.
For people to understand, a sprain is actually a tear. Okay,
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it's actually tear. It's the degrees of sprain are the
severity of the tear. So we have no idea yet.
But to your point, Jay Stu and your point Dan,
is they hampered Tyrese Haliburton. If he can't guard, if
he can't move, if he can't get a shot off
or whatever, like, you're better off having somebody. And that's
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what happened with the Lakers when Magic started at center
for them and they won NBA title. They had Kareem
who ended up becoming later on his career the NBA's
all time leading score but they were better off without
him because he was too injured to play.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, and my my question is more about allowing the
player to dictate if they play or not. I mean
Carlisle actually said he insisted on being out there. Isn't
that don't you want your head, coach? And I'm not
even talking about game six. I'm talking about what we
saw last night. He was obviously compromised, right.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yes, yeah, it's a really hard one. And I don't
think Haliburton is Lebron or is Reggie Miller is Michael Jordan.
But generally the player is his own best doctor, and
you give guys that carte blancheve coach. I don't take
me out. But then at some point, now that we've
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seen how he's played, when he's compromised, now Rick Carlock
can go like, look, I love you, I know you
want to be out there, but we just we gotta
play somebody else.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
It's tricky because he's the head of the snake, right.
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So during Game four of the NBA Finals, Steven A.
Smith was both photographed, and there's been video of him
sitting watching the game while playing Solitaire on his phone.
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His response, his response when asked about it on social
media when the picture was posting he was tagged, was basically, Hey,
it's during a timeout. I can do whatever I want.
Then somebody else saw that and posted the actual video
of him playing Solitaire while the game was going on.
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Here's Steven A. Smith of ESPN discussing it on TV.
I can ask you a question to.
Speaker 10 (17:29):
Also be playing a little game on my phone, that's right,
like I'm doing so, yes, I mean, what's going on here?
Speaker 8 (17:34):
And I was.
Speaker 11 (17:35):
I was doing what the hell I always do. And
for those out there who don't like it, kiss my ass.
When I'm watching the game, I'm watching the game. If
there's a break into action, it could be a dead ball,
it could be a time out of something like that.
I could play the damn thing for two seconds. Somebody
is standing over me upper deck, zooming in on my phone,
watching me and saying, oh, he's playing Solitaire.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
He's not.
Speaker 11 (17:57):
He's not focusing on the game. I watch over one
hundred games a year. I'm on TV every morning for
two hours, ten hours live every day. And that's just
one job that don't count, count down, that don't count
sports Center, that don't count all the obligations that I have.
And I'm sitting there and getting a little break, and
I decide to play a little solitaire, which.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
By the way, I always do, and I mean always.
Speaker 11 (18:21):
If I sit up there, if this halftime, I might
go on my phoe for two minutes to play solitaire.
At the end of the game. Before a game, I
do the same thing. Damn it. If you had had
a little break in between, I might've been praying to
the again because I like the game.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
How'd you do with that particular I want that particular name?
Soire was okay, it could have been something else on
that phone.
Speaker 12 (18:37):
Right, Oh, this one's too easy, right, it's just too easy.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
The levels to it, which are embarrassing. I'm probably gonna
miss some, so Jason, you may be able to been
on it. The first thing is, again, this is about
optics as much as anything. Okay, if we're being honest
with ourselves. I watched their halftime show and they go
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to stephen A first, and he does what he always
does again, and it's work for him. So I'm not
blaming him is it's always some big bombastic statement that
has that he is his takeaway from the first half
of the game, the first twenty four minutes of the game, right,
somebody's terrible, They're horrible, they're not ready to play there,
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. So it actually
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doesn't matter if we're really honest about him watching each possession,
because he doesn't know he's watching anyway. I mean, that's
the reality of it, Like, what are we kidding ourselves?
He can watch every play and he still doesn't see it,
doesn't feel it. It's not a basketball like Q guy.
And and by the way, that's not his brandy, that's
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not his brand. But it's embarrassing because of the optics
of it. Right, here's a guy who's making more money
than anybody on ESPN, they're the rights holder, and you
can't even pay attention to the game. And then when
somebody says, like you're watch the solitaire, like, ah, my bad.
You know it's a bad habit. I usually do it
during timeouts and I had leaked over into the game.
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That's what any normal rational But the defiance of it
kind of proves our point right, because then the defiance
of it, he goes to the all the other jobs
that he has, which is not really even part of
the question. Nobody cares about the other jobs you have.
Nobody asks you about your radio show or your podcast
or TV show or anything. Nobody zero people asked or cared.
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They asked, you're analyzing a game, you're on pre post
half time and you're not paying attention. You're playing solitaire,
and the reasonable explanation is like, ah my bad, Yeah,
I was watching the game playing Solitaire and shouldn't been
doing during the game. But then you get defiant. You
start doing I got this job and I got that job.
(21:04):
You know what that is. That's I make a lot
of money. I work really hard so I can do
what I want to do. It's obnoxious, it's entitled and
super embarrassing. Imagine if you work at ESPN and you're like, wait,
that dude's the face of our company. He makes twenty
million a year and he can't even he can't even
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pay attention, and then when asked about paying attention, he
goes into some defiance child like I got all these jobs,
Nobody cares. And again, if it would be. One thing
is if you were always prepared for everything you do.
The secret is Steven A. Smith. He's has never prepared.
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He doesn't right, And look, some things you can't prepare for.
Some things you can't bring in stats, and guys can
overprepare in the business. And I get it, I understand it.
I got some of that myself. But like, this is
what happened to him when he was doing Monday Night Football,
Monday Night Countdown, and was it Hunter Henry. He's like,
Hunter Henry's going to be a huge factor night for
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the Chargers against the Patriots. But Hunter Henry was out
for the year with the torn acl and he didn't
know that. Why because he doesn't prep. He doesn't study,
He doesn't even take notes from a PA because his
ego is too gigantic to have somebody who actually watches
the games prep for him. Give him a note and
just just repeat what you see on a card. Can't
do it. John Mentalcoff joins us year on the Doug
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Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, John Steven A. Smith
playing Solitaire, wall of game going on and oh yeah,
by the way, saying I only did it during a
break and then there's video of him doing it. Not
the end of the world, but tracks to just about
what everybody thought.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Right, Well, I would say this, you know, when I
got into radio after football, I was going to all
the major sports and football, basketball and baseball. Obviously baseball
you can screw around in a position that you're gonna
have to talk about a game between pitches, and same
thing kind of with football between plays. There was some downtime.
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I was going to a lot of Warriors games now,
a lot like these teams in the NBA Finals, especially
the Pacers, they go out rapid speed. If you start
bsing with the guy next to you or start messing
on your phone, you know, for a couple of minutes,
A lot happens in the game of basketball. Like I
would say, of all the sports, to me, if you
told me he was at like an NFL game, I
don't think it would be that crazy, right, you got
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forty seconds between plays. I'm sure other guys do it.
Like it wouldn't be a great look. I think basketball
at the NBA Finals, I mean it's it's hard to
pay attention in that sport. I mean, you know better
than anybody if you're not really just watching the game, right,
I mean, it'd be one thing if it was during
a time out. It was clearly during the action.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Well, and then it's during the action. All you got
to say is like, yeah, I bad, he said. He
goes into defiance mode and tries to make us.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
I didn't even see who asked him about it.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Well, yeah, we'll play it for you here. You guys
got that clip. This is Steven a when he was
asked about it.
Speaker 10 (24:02):
I can ask you a question. I should also be
playing a little games on my phone, that's right, like
I'm doing so yeah, I mean, what's going on here?
Speaker 11 (24:09):
I was doing what the hell I always do. And
for those out there who don't like it, kiss my ass.
When I'm watching the game, I'm watching the game. If
there's a break in the action, it could be a
dead ball, it could be a time out or something
like that. I could play the damn thing for two seconds.
Somebody is standing over me upper deck, zooming in on
my phone, watching me and saying, oh, he's playing Solitaire.
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He's not coming, he's not focusing on the game. I
watch over one hundred games a year. I'm on TV
every morning for two hours, ten hours live every day,
and that's just one job that don't count, count down,
that don't count sports center, that don't count all the
obligations that I have. And I'm sitting there and getting
a little break, and I decide to play a little solitaire, which,
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by the.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Way, I always do, and I mean always.
Speaker 11 (24:55):
If I sit up there, if this halftime, I might
go on my phone for two minutes to play solitaire.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, so he goes on and on and on instead
of just going I mean, but what it was.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
They were playing? What in the game you could see
you could see No.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
There's there's there's there's Yeah, there's video of them playing.
Speaker 10 (25:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
I mean, I don't think any if you had fait
it was a time out and it was clear, I
don't think anyone would. It would have been funny, but
it wouldn't have been a big deal.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I mean, they were they were playing, right that That's
where that's where the old it's the cover up is
bigger than the crime, right, Like, yeah, I was playing
solid term on my phone. My bad. Instead you start
raising your voice and going like you get my alf
You're like, okay, dude, clearly your defense about it. Obviously
it's a problem. You got caught not paying attention, you know, Okay,
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I just it's just weird where our industry has gone.
Doug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports Traio, John Middlecock
Choinches three Out is the is the podcast? Uh what's
your thoughts on Micah Parsons and this contract negotia with
the Cowboys?
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Yeah, I mean I think we have a history now Dallas,
the way they do business. I mean my theory is
like Jerry must have some incredible investment that he doesn't
want to lose, you know, pulling out the cast, so
the last possible second, Because if you're a bet man,
I don't know how you would bet against this being
done sometime. I don't know after August twentieth. From his
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he has a pretty clear history now the last several
deals that have been massive in Ceedee Lamb and Dak
And I think it was a couple of years when
they gave Zach Martin that raid the last possible second.
I would expect it to be somewhat similar to this.
Like I don't think my expectation is like July twentieth,
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you know, a couple of days before Camp. Micah Parsons
has been extended, Like, I mean, that would be going
down a different path than Jerry, who has this unique position.
He owns the team, it's his money, and he concerns
himself to GM. It's like Al Davis without all the
football experience beside. I get, I mean Jerry played back
(27:05):
in the early sixties or whatever. But it's just how
Jerry does this.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah, I just I just thought it was interesting and
it is how he does biz. And he said as
much last year. He said, Hey, I'd rather pay more
knowing everything than I would signing signing a guy too early,
and it does track.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
But the thing is, like, I get what he's saying,
and I think, like, you'd rather pay more. You'd rather
pay an extra five million dollars a year in free
agency you know you're getting a pro bowler than overpaying
an average guy. I totally These are always Jerry's guys. Yes,
he's extending people that Like Jarry, You've known Cede Lan
since he was twenty one, Jerry, You've known Dak since
(27:48):
you drafted him ten years ago. You've known Michael Parsons
now for whatever five plus years. Like these aren't like
random acquisitions, right, I mean this isn't a merger and
acquisition where you've just you've done a little uh some
Uh you know, you put a pi on it to
get them like this guy's been your building every day
for several years.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Well, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I did want to ask you a little bit.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Jominikofs Our Guest renownce the podcast. He also has a
Going Low podcast, which is his golf podcast. Couple of things. First,
do you like did you like the setup? I mean
it was a very very difficult golf.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
Course in SII.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
I did because it's like the one time really every
three or four years. I mean, they only played this
course as the hardest course in America, uh said by
every player that was mo was on property. And then
you're watching it, You're like, you know, I don't need
thirty under, but I do like some more fireworks.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
And it does.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
You know, let's face it, when it's that difficult and random,
you know, the leaderboard actually doesn't look bad. There's the
Schefflers and the Xanders and the Koepkas, but they were
never really in the mix.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
So like I don't know, I mean, I I do
like it's a unique test. It's our you know, championship
here in America. It's always kind of what it's hung.
He's had on since I was a kid. Some of
those courses in the nineties. I remember you the Olympic
Club and Payne Stewart was like putting it off the
green back at his feet. But watching it was like,
(29:19):
this might be a little too hard, you know, So
I'm torn.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, you saw Jay Monahan's gonna gonna step down. You know,
he's been there a decade, but this is this is
all the live thing, is it not?
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Yeah? I mean I think the headline says that he's
gonna step down in twenty six let's sake that his
career ended today. Yes, right, And they hired this guy,
you know. My thing is and I was just kind
of putting together a podcast. I think this guy, I
don't know if you saw the details on Brian roll
App I think is his name. Twenty two years with
the NFL, and I was looking, you know, Pete Rozelle
(29:56):
way back in the day, in the sixties. I mean,
it was a different world. But if you the last
two Tagliaboo and Roger Right. Tagliaboo was the NFL's lawyer
in the eighties, and obviously they had gone through a
lot in the eighties, so like he was very entrenched
with the business. Roger worked for taglia Boo new insight
that this is not your normal fortune five hundred company,
where like Chipotle, you know, Starbucks hires the guy from Chipotle.
(30:20):
They're not hiring some random guy outsider. They're going to
hire someone that knows where the bodies are buried. This guy,
you know, Roger's sixty six. So this guy goes to
PGA tour if over the next several years, he does
a really good job. And now you know Arthur Blank
and some of these football guys are involved with financing
the tour. This guy's going to be the next commissioner
(30:40):
because he will not only know the way the NFL works,
he's worked there for twenty two years, and he's worked
side by side with Roger for the last several but
now he will have been in charge of something that's
smaller than the NFL. But you know, these golf's unique
because they get these enormous sponsors with big time money.
It's kind of a knee steal, but it's a it's
a high, highly lucrative niche deal. And he would be
(31:03):
like I have, like I know what it's like to
be in charge of the whole thing. So if this
goes well and there can be a transition with Live,
I would look for this guy to succeed Roger Goodell.
And you know, I don't know four or five years.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, no, I mean it's and and people have wondered
out loud who the next commissioner of the NFL is
when Goodell's tenure comes to that not a guy you
necessarily want to follow. But if you have that experience,
if you can figure out a way to unite Live
and the PGA Tour, if you can figure out a
way to get to to move golf back to where
(31:38):
it was in the Tiger Woods era, you can figure
those out, then you can do it with the NFL.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
And think about this dog. The one thing he'll be
dealing with very closely, just like in all these leaks,
is they're in business with CBS there, they're in business
with ESPN and and NBC and obviously streaming and merging
that over the next four or five years with golf
it will be huge Google and YouTube with the YouTube
influences massive. So he like where this is going, and
(32:05):
he I think that was kind of his job with
the NFL. But now like he no longer has to
go up the chain, like he's at the top of
the chain. So I think he will have a resume
in a couple of years, and who knows, maybe you know,
he's making so much money and things are going with
PGA tories like it's not even the NFL is not
even worth a headache. But I'd be stunned if this guy,
if it goes well, I don't know, he's not the
(32:26):
lead candidate here in a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Last thing, this is a new system for Aaron Rodgers,
a different style. He doesn't have a ton of time
as a lead up, but he should have enough time.
How does he fit in to this offensive system?
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Well, I think that the experience with Lafleur and once
he kind of relented after nineteen and started winning those
MVPs in twenty and twenty one, it was about run
first past second, you know, which you know, even with
McCarthy was about spreading it out, shotgunslinging around. When you
look at Arthur Smith when he became a hot name
in the NFL, it was with Tanney Hill running the
(33:05):
ball and really playing defense and at the end of
the day, like Bruce Arians was fired once from Pittsburgh
after they won the Super Bowl, why because they passed
it too much. So the family business is running the
ball and playing in defense. And if you're Aaron at
forty one years old, I mean part of like when
he got to the Jets, why people thought he was
(33:26):
gonna be success, like a great defense. They got Breeth
Hall take pressure off him, and then it kind of
morphs that a lot fell on his back. So if
the defense can't improve, I mean last year down the stretch,
the sealss off one defense and this young guy from Iowa.
I don't know how much Iowa football you watch last year,
but I thought Caleb Johnson was a beast. He's like six'
(33:48):
two or he's like sixty one two twenty, Five.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
But he's a.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Rookie you, know if he can have a big year
With Jalen warren and they can just run the ball
and play d and then just Let rogers do what he,
did do you know ideally like twenty five thirty attempts a,
game not, fifty you, KNOW i think they could have some.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Success john minokoff three and now's the, podcast also The
Going Low Golf. Podcast if it's a, Podcast he'll do.
It he joins us On The Doug Gollip, Show johnny The.
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dan byrou what's the game, Today?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Doug the game Is rank them all.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
Right doug ranked the three most important play finals players
so far during This Pacers thunders. Series most.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Important uh, OKAY i will do the? Wait would you
Say pacers players are overall?
Speaker 7 (35:09):
Overall both?
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Teams, Oh Jayla williams, Three Shake Gill Zugs enter, Two
Tyre's helbert, one No.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Caruso you were waxing poetically about.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
He, said most? IMPORTANT i, MEAN i you, know it's, like,
YEAH i, mean he'd be right, there BUT i think he's.
Huge it's a great point you. Made you found my
you found, me, uh contradicting. Myself you did.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
Well, no SOMETIMES i listen Or i'll maybe even like
look at a tweet that you have to like bring up.
Topics and SO i was just you were Mentioning caruso
and what he's been And siakam was great for him last.
Night SO i just didn't know if they would make the.
List all, Right doug ranked the three most popular sports
In Oklahoma. City so if we were in OK, c
(35:51):
what are the people talking?
Speaker 1 (35:53):
About? UH i would say golf, THREE nba basketball, two
in college football.
Speaker 7 (36:05):
One, okay not shocked by. That i'd like to see
golf at number. Three we know they love softball. There
The olympics are going to do you love? Softball, yeah
going to be there in twenty twenty eight for the
softball portion of it and some kayaking. STUFF i thought, Though, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
They the river there which was never river before but
or was a river a long time ago but never
water WHEN i lived there and had then a nice
chot with.
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It all, right final, questions because we're short on. Time
you Mentioned Jay monahan stepping down AS Pga tour. Commissioner
in your interview With John, middelkoff rank the three most
famous commissioners in all of sports that you can. Remember
three most famous, Commissioners.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Uh Roger goodell, Three David stern, two And Bart. Giamatti.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Wo that's. RANDOM i like.
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It, Well but here here's why you didn't ask why
Why Bart. Giamoni he was one who Suspended Pete. Rose, Right,
yes that was. Why that was like the most that
was like the seminal moments in sports of my childhood
or early. Adulthood so, Yeah. Bartie then he.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Died, Yeah Dana white there and the, rest why.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Could have gotten? There, yeah he's creeping up in.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
There, yeah and that's game.
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Time.
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this case, uh, we're in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Man, beautiful, hot,
summy sunny Southern days meet sunny summer day. I said,
Southern sunurd day. Let's get right after it. Okay, So
(00:53):
by now you heard the story Tyrese Haliburton. It explains
a lot of it, right, Like, man, how does a
dude that's so good? B? So, what's the term mid? Right?
That's the kids say, it was so mid last night.
(01:13):
The only thing you can think of is he's injured.
And look, they were a prohibitive underdog going into last
night last night the thunder one that thunder covered. They
were a prohibitive underdog going into the series and again
winning Game one. I think many people. Dan Byer was
one of those people, was like I was, you know
(01:36):
when the when the Heat beat the Thunder, the Thunder
went won game one and then it was a gentleman
sweep in five games. But it's when they won Game
three that Okay, now you have my attention. Now we
have the series. Their inability to capitalize on a late
lead in Game four ends up now becoming game five.
In game five, it does feel over despite the fact
(01:57):
that the Pacers, you know, they got a win two
games as opposed to Oklahoma City only has to win one. Uh,
but it's hard to go. Hey, where do you pick
and what do you say? Here's Mark Dagno, who's who's
the head coach of the Thunder, talking about the team
(02:17):
playing in front of their home fans.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I think the crowd puts the win at our back.
I'm always I always marvel at how enthusiastic and positive
they remain in the ebbs and flows of a game
or of a season. You know, they're always trying to
put the win at our back. They're always trying to
lift the team up, and I just think that's a
great spirit that's on display in all these games, but
they were amazing tonight.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Obviously, fans don't win games. Teams win games, but the
fans can definitely help you. We'll get We'll circle back
to Oklahoma City a second. Here's Rick Carlisle talk about
Halliburton's injury.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
He's not one hundred percent. It's pretty clear, but I
don't think he's gonna miss.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
The next game.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
And you know, we were concerned at halftime, and uh,
he insisted I'm playing and I thought, I thought he
made a lot of really good things happened in the
second half. But he's he's not He's not one hundred percent,
you know, and there's a lot of guys in the
series that aren't.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Here's Haliburton talking about his calf injury.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
I mean, c NBA Finals, it's the finals, man. I've
worked my whole life to be here, and I want
to be out there to compete, you know, help my
teammates anyway I can. You know, I was not great
tonight by any means, but uh, you know, it's not
really a thought of mine to to not play here.
You know, if I if icking, uh you know, walk,
(03:39):
then then I want to play.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
So you know, they.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Understand that and uh, you know is what it is,
and uh you know, I gotta be ready to go
for Game six.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, so there's a bunch of different ways we could
go with it. Uh I. I do believe the thunders
defense was outstanding. I also think that the Thunder what
there's home crowd, the way they play, they shorten their
bench as well, but they get away with being really
really physical, physical defensively. And I know he didn't shoot
(04:10):
the ball well last night, but Caruso just has been
so important for what they do. But anytime you get
forty points from your second best scorer and your leading
scorers got thirty. I don't track it, but I would
guess that that's like a ninety five to ninety eight
percent of the time. You get seventy combined with good
shooting percentages from two dudes, you're gonna win more games
(04:34):
then you lose. The secret sauce is their defense. Some
of the energy to that secret sauce is the crowd
support is the officials reaction to that crowd support is
the way they play. I don't think the Pacers played
tentative in any way. If anything, a team that plays
(04:54):
fast does have a tendency to get sped up, but
they could never really get a hand on the Thunder
last night, and that game was never within really reach
of them. In the second hand, there's never a h
but here they go. It was a lot more like
what Game one would have been like had the Thunder
done the right things to close the door at the end.
(05:16):
Which brings us around. And this is why seven games,
even though it's long and it's spread out and it
can be hard to pay attention for those of us
with that sports add that we want answers to who's
the champion? Now, now, now, now now. Ultimately, partially with
the help of an injury to Halliburton, but mostly because
(05:37):
they're just better, the Thunder are gonna win the series,
which is why it's a seven game series. If there's
a one game series that's an unbelievable comeback and unbelievable
win and the pacer of your champion, it's not and
generally not always the better team wins or the healthier
team wins, and this case, the better healthier team will win.
(06:01):
They will win. Now, I will say this about this
is a weird one with Oklahoma City. Weird from this
standpoint that on some level it's bad for the NBA
because small markets don't have big ratings and the thunder
are good and they're going to be good. Are they
(06:23):
going to be a champion ten times over? I don't know.
I don't know how they react to what's going to
be a late summer of celebration Oklahoma. Right, everybody can say, hey, look,
I'm based upon talent, but you can lose yourself when
you're the toast of an absolute state, not just town,
a state and you got like a month to go celebrate,
(06:44):
or maybe two months to go celebrate. But they're going
to be good for a while. And if you're going
to be good for a while and you're a small
market and you don't have huge names and shake Gills,
Eleazanderson outstanding basketball player, I don't think he'll ever be
some amazing corporate superstar the likes of which we've seen
(07:09):
even from a Damian Lillard, who he's a much better
player than Damian Lillard. Okay, but Damian Lillard because of Oakland,
because he can rap, because he just he has a
really cool personal story with Weaver State. It feels like
Damian Lillard has kind of broken through, even though his
(07:31):
game is not as good as Shay's game. But if
you don't have a superstar, if you don't have a Durant,
you don't have a Westbrook, you don't have somebody who
will be a rating straw, and you have a really
good team, it's going to be a bit of a
problem for the NBA. Not a huge problem because people
(07:52):
are still watching, but the overall ratings when they're in
big games won't be great. That said, I do think
it's great from the NBA are all professional sports, because
here's a market that when they first got there, it
wasn't big enough. It shouldn't have been able to support
an NBA team. The only reason they ever got a
(08:12):
team was because of Hurricane Katrina. Right, they had Hurricane Katrina.
So they got the Pelicans for two years. And they
only got the Pelicans for two years because you had
a bunch of local businessmen who are like, hey, we
don't care if we lose money. We just want our
city to be recognized as as a as a major
league city. So they get the they get the then
(08:33):
Hornets make it work. Hornets go back, and Horns didn't
want to go back. They were kind of forced to
go back. Like it's New Orleans. You can't lose the team.
Clay Bennett goes and buys the Sonics, They move the Sonics,
and the rest, as they say, is history. They got
an unbelievable GM who's been able to sustain, for the
most part, successful teams year after year after year. But
(08:56):
the home court advantage, the crowd showing up, which that's
what it was like in Oklahoma State when I played,
That's what it's like in Oklahoma and football. It's the
combination of those two, which by the way, has hurt
both of those crowds oh U football and OSU basketball.
But they're more like collegiate fans. They show up at
the airport, win or lose. They cheer for you when
(09:16):
you're down twenty. They don't walk out right. They wear
team colors like their school colors. It's a completely different vibe.
And we've seen this in the NBA before. Sacramento has
had it, a couple other small market teams have had it.
But the uniqueness of this story a city that was
that small when they got the team, a team that
(09:37):
trade away star players who weren't going to be there
anymore and used it to get draft picks and traded
for Shay Gildsess Alexander and he became an MVP. All
these things are an unbelievab unique story, which is a
great thing. Not as many people will hear it or
watch it because of the size of the market. Buyer,
Do you think there's any way this series isn't over?
Speaker 7 (09:56):
No, Well, I think it'll go game seven. I think
the Pacers can win Game six. So I'm gonna say
Indiana holds serve on Thursday, with or without Haliburton. I'll
just if and Sham's reported that he's going to have
an MRI here just to determine the severity of the injury.
But I'll say the Pacers end up winning Game six
(10:20):
and we have a Game seven. What I do think
is interesting about the Oklahoma City thing is it's small market,
but I also think that it's the one team market.
And if you go back to the Blazers of the seventies,
which I wasn't around, but that's Rip City and that's
where Rip City ended up originating. I remember the Jazz
(10:43):
and their run obviously with Stockton Malone in the nineties,
what it was like to play in Salt Lake in
dealing with that. San Antonio had a great team, no
doubt about it. Like that really helps when you're playing
those things. But I also think that there is just
something so unique about the one team market, and I
(11:04):
think that's what makes it, in my mind cool for
Oklahoma City because it's not like they're ever going to
get an NFL team, right, You're not going to have
one in Oklahoma City. So that's kind of their baby
in that way, and I find that pretty cool. But
we've seen it throughout NBA history and now this time
around it's turning into Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, I think it's Jase, do you had something?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I got a question?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, there's a question that needs an answer, and the answer.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
Is if only there was someone with the authority and
the wisdom to give.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Us that answer. No, I'm the head coach.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
I get to set the schedule.
Speaker 8 (11:42):
Hold on, let's ask the coach.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
So you have a you have a player saying that
he wants to play, he really wants to play, He's
obviously compromised. Sham says that it's a CAF strain severity TBD.
Then you have a head coach who says that the
player insisted on being on the court. If you're a
Pacers fan, wouldn't you want your head coach to be
(12:07):
more discerning than that? If he's hurting the team, why
not tap into somebody who's one.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Again, I don't know the severity, I don't know the
pain threshold. I don't know what a shot will do.
There's so much I don't know. It's really really unfair.
Go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Here's what I think is interesting is if this was Lebron, like,
they're not pulling him. But this adds to the Halliburton
debate on who is he?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
What is he?
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Is he overrated? Is he not overrated? Is he a superstar?
Is he not a superstar? And I think Jason's question
really kind of straddles that line and the decision on
Rick Carlile. Like Carlile obviously is treating him like he's
Lebron on James, and that no matter what happens, unless
your entire body cramps up, you're going to be out
(13:04):
on the floor. But to Jason's point, maybe they're better
without Tyrese Haliburton. I think that adds to the intrigue
on this debate and if there's anything we're going to
take from these finals maybe that's it that Tyreese Halliburton
now is just a normal part of our conversation when
we debate the NBA for whatever, you know, variety of reasons.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I think all that's fair. Again, I just if you
don't know the severity of it. My guess is he's
got a he's got a partially torn calf, right, Like,
that's a reasonable guess. If it's fully torn, then he
won't be able to play. There's nothing you can do.
It's very likely to be partially torn, like a sprain.
For people to understand, a sprain is actually a tear. Okay,
(13:51):
it's actually tear. It's the degrees of sprain are the
severity of the tear. So we have no idea yet.
But to your point, Jay Stu and your point Dan,
is they hampered Tyrese Haliburton. If he can't guard, if
he can't move, if he can't get a shot off
or whatever, like, you're better off having somebody. And that's
(14:13):
what happened with the Lakers when Magic started at center
for them and they won NBA title. They had Kareem
who ended up becoming later on his career the NBA's
all time leading score but they were better off without
him because he was too injured to play.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, and my my question is more about allowing the
player to dictate if they play or not. I mean
Carlisle actually said he insisted on being out there. Isn't
that don't you want your head, coach? And I'm not
even talking about game six. I'm talking about what we
saw last night. He was obviously compromised, right.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yes, yeah, it's a really hard one. And I don't
think Haliburton is Lebron or is Reggie Miller is Michael Jordan.
But generally the player is his own best doctor, and
you give guys that carte blancheve coach. I don't take
me out. But then at some point, now that we've
(15:09):
seen how he's played, when he's compromised, now Rick Carlock
can go like, look, I love you, I know you
want to be out there, but we just we gotta
play somebody else.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
It's tricky because he's the head of the snake, right.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
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It's a Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
So during Game four of the NBA Finals, Steven A.
Smith was both photographed, and there's been video of him
sitting watching the game while playing Solitaire on his phone.
(17:03):
His response, his response when asked about it on social
media when the picture was posting he was tagged, was basically, Hey,
it's during a timeout. I can do whatever I want.
Then somebody else saw that and posted the actual video
of him playing Solitaire while the game was going on.
(17:24):
Here's Steven A. Smith of ESPN discussing it on TV.
I can ask you a question to.
Speaker 10 (17:29):
Also be playing a little game on my phone, that's right,
like I'm doing so, yes, I mean, what's going on here?
Speaker 8 (17:34):
And I was.
Speaker 11 (17:35):
I was doing what the hell I always do. And
for those out there who don't like it, kiss my ass.
When I'm watching the game, I'm watching the game. If
there's a break into action, it could be a dead ball,
it could be a time out of something like that.
I could play the damn thing for two seconds. Somebody
is standing over me upper deck, zooming in on my phone,
watching me and saying, oh, he's playing Solitaire.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
He's not.
Speaker 11 (17:57):
He's not focusing on the game. I watch over one
hundred games a year. I'm on TV every morning for
two hours, ten hours live every day. And that's just
one job that don't count, count down, that don't count
sports Center, that don't count all the obligations that I have.
And I'm sitting there and getting a little break, and
I decide to play a little solitaire, which.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
By the way, I always do, and I mean always.
Speaker 11 (18:21):
If I sit up there, if this halftime, I might
go on my phoe for two minutes to play solitaire.
At the end of the game. Before a game, I
do the same thing. Damn it. If you had had
a little break in between, I might've been praying to
the again because I like the game.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
How'd you do with that particular I want that particular name?
Soire was okay, it could have been something else on
that phone.
Speaker 12 (18:37):
Right, Oh, this one's too easy, right, it's just too easy.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
The levels to it, which are embarrassing. I'm probably gonna
miss some, so Jason, you may be able to been
on it. The first thing is, again, this is about
optics as much as anything. Okay, if we're being honest
with ourselves. I watched their halftime show and they go
(19:12):
to stephen A first, and he does what he always
does again, and it's work for him. So I'm not
blaming him is it's always some big bombastic statement that
has that he is his takeaway from the first half
of the game, the first twenty four minutes of the game, right,
somebody's terrible, They're horrible, they're not ready to play there,
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. So it actually
(19:36):
doesn't matter if we're really honest about him watching each possession,
because he doesn't know he's watching anyway. I mean, that's
the reality of it, Like, what are we kidding ourselves?
He can watch every play and he still doesn't see it,
doesn't feel it. It's not a basketball like Q guy.
And and by the way, that's not his brandy, that's
(19:56):
not his brand. But it's embarrassing because of the optics
of it. Right, here's a guy who's making more money
than anybody on ESPN, they're the rights holder, and you
can't even pay attention to the game. And then when
somebody says, like you're watch the solitaire, like, ah, my bad.
You know it's a bad habit. I usually do it
during timeouts and I had leaked over into the game.
(20:18):
That's what any normal rational But the defiance of it
kind of proves our point right, because then the defiance
of it, he goes to the all the other jobs
that he has, which is not really even part of
the question. Nobody cares about the other jobs you have.
Nobody asks you about your radio show or your podcast
or TV show or anything. Nobody zero people asked or cared.
(20:42):
They asked, you're analyzing a game, you're on pre post
half time and you're not paying attention. You're playing solitaire,
and the reasonable explanation is like, ah my bad, Yeah,
I was watching the game playing Solitaire and shouldn't been
doing during the game. But then you get defiant. You
start doing I got this job and I got that job.
(21:04):
You know what that is. That's I make a lot
of money. I work really hard so I can do
what I want to do. It's obnoxious, it's entitled and
super embarrassing. Imagine if you work at ESPN and you're like, wait,
that dude's the face of our company. He makes twenty
million a year and he can't even he can't even
(21:25):
pay attention, and then when asked about paying attention, he
goes into some defiance child like I got all these jobs,
Nobody cares. And again, if it would be. One thing
is if you were always prepared for everything you do.
The secret is Steven A. Smith. He's has never prepared.
(21:46):
He doesn't right, And look, some things you can't prepare for.
Some things you can't bring in stats, and guys can
overprepare in the business. And I get it, I understand it.
I got some of that myself. But like, this is
what happened to him when he was doing Monday Night Football,
Monday Night Countdown, and was it Hunter Henry. He's like,
Hunter Henry's going to be a huge factor night for
(22:06):
the Chargers against the Patriots. But Hunter Henry was out
for the year with the torn acl and he didn't
know that. Why because he doesn't prep. He doesn't study,
He doesn't even take notes from a PA because his
ego is too gigantic to have somebody who actually watches
the games prep for him. Give him a note and
just just repeat what you see on a card. Can't
do it. John Mentalcoff joins us year on the Doug
(22:29):
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, John Steven A. Smith
playing Solitaire, wall of game going on and oh yeah,
by the way, saying I only did it during a
break and then there's video of him doing it. Not
the end of the world, but tracks to just about
what everybody thought.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Right, Well, I would say this, you know, when I
got into radio after football, I was going to all
the major sports and football, basketball and baseball. Obviously baseball
you can screw around in a position that you're gonna
have to talk about a game between pitches, and same
thing kind of with football between plays. There was some downtime.
(23:07):
I was going to a lot of Warriors games now,
a lot like these teams in the NBA Finals, especially
the Pacers, they go out rapid speed. If you start
bsing with the guy next to you or start messing
on your phone, you know, for a couple of minutes,
A lot happens in the game of basketball. Like I
would say, of all the sports, to me, if you
told me he was at like an NFL game, I
don't think it would be that crazy, right, you got
(23:27):
forty seconds between plays. I'm sure other guys do it.
Like it wouldn't be a great look. I think basketball
at the NBA Finals, I mean it's it's hard to
pay attention in that sport. I mean, you know better
than anybody if you're not really just watching the game, right,
I mean, it'd be one thing if it was during
a time out. It was clearly during the action.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Well, and then it's during the action. All you got
to say is like, yeah, I bad, he said. He
goes into defiance mode and tries to make us.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
I didn't even see who asked him about it.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Well, yeah, we'll play it for you here. You guys
got that clip. This is Steven a when he was
asked about it.
Speaker 10 (24:02):
I can ask you a question. I should also be
playing a little games on my phone, that's right, like
I'm doing so yeah, I mean, what's going on here?
Speaker 11 (24:09):
I was doing what the hell I always do. And
for those out there who don't like it, kiss my ass.
When I'm watching the game, I'm watching the game. If
there's a break in the action, it could be a
dead ball, it could be a time out or something
like that. I could play the damn thing for two seconds.
Somebody is standing over me upper deck, zooming in on
my phone, watching me and saying, oh, he's playing Solitaire.
(24:30):
He's not coming, he's not focusing on the game. I
watch over one hundred games a year. I'm on TV
every morning for two hours, ten hours live every day,
and that's just one job that don't count, count down,
that don't count sports center, that don't count all the
obligations that I have. And I'm sitting there and getting
a little break, and I decide to play a little solitaire, which,
(24:52):
by the.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Way, I always do, and I mean always.
Speaker 11 (24:55):
If I sit up there, if this halftime, I might
go on my phone for two minutes to play solitaire.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, so he goes on and on and on instead
of just going I mean, but what it was.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
They were playing? What in the game you could see
you could see No.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
There's there's there's there's Yeah, there's video of them playing.
Speaker 10 (25:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
I mean, I don't think any if you had fait
it was a time out and it was clear, I
don't think anyone would. It would have been funny, but
it wouldn't have been a big deal.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I mean, they were they were playing, right that That's
where that's where the old it's the cover up is
bigger than the crime, right, Like, yeah, I was playing
solid term on my phone. My bad. Instead you start
raising your voice and going like you get my alf
You're like, okay, dude, clearly your defense about it. Obviously
it's a problem. You got caught not paying attention, you know, Okay,
(25:47):
I just it's just weird where our industry has gone.
Doug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports Traio, John Middlecock
Choinches three Out is the is the podcast? Uh what's
your thoughts on Micah Parsons and this contract negotia with
the Cowboys?
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Yeah, I mean I think we have a history now Dallas,
the way they do business. I mean my theory is
like Jerry must have some incredible investment that he doesn't
want to lose, you know, pulling out the cast, so
the last possible second, Because if you're a bet man,
I don't know how you would bet against this being
done sometime. I don't know after August twentieth. From his
(26:22):
he has a pretty clear history now the last several
deals that have been massive in Ceedee Lamb and Dak
And I think it was a couple of years when
they gave Zach Martin that raid the last possible second.
I would expect it to be somewhat similar to this.
Like I don't think my expectation is like July twentieth,
(26:43):
you know, a couple of days before Camp. Micah Parsons
has been extended, Like, I mean, that would be going
down a different path than Jerry, who has this unique position.
He owns the team, it's his money, and he concerns
himself to GM. It's like Al Davis without all the
football experience beside. I get, I mean Jerry played back
(27:05):
in the early sixties or whatever. But it's just how
Jerry does this.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah, I just I just thought it was interesting and
it is how he does biz. And he said as
much last year. He said, Hey, I'd rather pay more
knowing everything than I would signing signing a guy too early,
and it does track.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
But the thing is, like, I get what he's saying,
and I think, like, you'd rather pay more. You'd rather
pay an extra five million dollars a year in free
agency you know you're getting a pro bowler than overpaying
an average guy. I totally These are always Jerry's guys. Yes,
he's extending people that Like Jarry, You've known Cede Lan
since he was twenty one, Jerry, You've known Dak since
(27:48):
you drafted him ten years ago. You've known Michael Parsons
now for whatever five plus years. Like these aren't like
random acquisitions, right, I mean this isn't a merger and
acquisition where you've just you've done a little uh some
Uh you know, you put a pi on it to
get them like this guy's been your building every day
for several years.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Well, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I did want to ask you a little bit.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Jominikofs Our Guest renownce the podcast. He also has a
Going Low podcast, which is his golf podcast. Couple of things. First,
do you like did you like the setup? I mean
it was a very very difficult golf.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
Course in SII.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
I did because it's like the one time really every
three or four years. I mean, they only played this
course as the hardest course in America, uh said by
every player that was mo was on property. And then
you're watching it, You're like, you know, I don't need
thirty under, but I do like some more fireworks.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
And it does.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
You know, let's face it, when it's that difficult and random,
you know, the leaderboard actually doesn't look bad. There's the
Schefflers and the Xanders and the Koepkas, but they were
never really in the mix.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
So like I don't know, I mean, I I do
like it's a unique test. It's our you know, championship
here in America. It's always kind of what it's hung.
He's had on since I was a kid. Some of
those courses in the nineties. I remember you the Olympic
Club and Payne Stewart was like putting it off the
green back at his feet. But watching it was like,
(29:19):
this might be a little too hard, you know, So
I'm torn.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, you saw Jay Monahan's gonna gonna step down. You know,
he's been there a decade, but this is this is
all the live thing, is it not?
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Yeah? I mean I think the headline says that he's
gonna step down in twenty six let's sake that his
career ended today. Yes, right, And they hired this guy,
you know. My thing is and I was just kind
of putting together a podcast. I think this guy, I
don't know if you saw the details on Brian roll
App I think is his name. Twenty two years with
the NFL, and I was looking, you know, Pete Rozelle
(29:56):
way back in the day, in the sixties. I mean,
it was a different world. But if you the last
two Tagliaboo and Roger Right. Tagliaboo was the NFL's lawyer
in the eighties, and obviously they had gone through a
lot in the eighties, so like he was very entrenched
with the business. Roger worked for taglia Boo new insight
that this is not your normal fortune five hundred company,
where like Chipotle, you know, Starbucks hires the guy from Chipotle.
(30:20):
They're not hiring some random guy outsider. They're going to
hire someone that knows where the bodies are buried. This guy,
you know, Roger's sixty six. So this guy goes to
PGA tour if over the next several years, he does
a really good job. And now you know Arthur Blank
and some of these football guys are involved with financing
the tour. This guy's going to be the next commissioner
(30:40):
because he will not only know the way the NFL works,
he's worked there for twenty two years, and he's worked
side by side with Roger for the last several but
now he will have been in charge of something that's
smaller than the NFL. But you know, these golf's unique
because they get these enormous sponsors with big time money.
It's kind of a knee steal, but it's a it's
a high, highly lucrative niche deal. And he would be
(31:03):
like I have, like I know what it's like to
be in charge of the whole thing. So if this
goes well and there can be a transition with Live,
I would look for this guy to succeed Roger Goodell.
And you know, I don't know four or five years.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, no, I mean it's and and people have wondered
out loud who the next commissioner of the NFL is
when Goodell's tenure comes to that not a guy you
necessarily want to follow. But if you have that experience,
if you can figure out a way to unite Live
and the PGA Tour, if you can figure out a
way to get to to move golf back to where
(31:38):
it was in the Tiger Woods era, you can figure
those out, then you can do it with the NFL.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
And think about this dog. The one thing he'll be
dealing with very closely, just like in all these leaks,
is they're in business with CBS there, they're in business
with ESPN and and NBC and obviously streaming and merging
that over the next four or five years with golf
it will be huge Google and YouTube with the YouTube
influences massive. So he like where this is going, and
(32:05):
he I think that was kind of his job with
the NFL. But now like he no longer has to
go up the chain, like he's at the top of
the chain. So I think he will have a resume
in a couple of years, and who knows, maybe you know,
he's making so much money and things are going with
PGA tories like it's not even the NFL is not
even worth a headache. But I'd be stunned if this guy,
if it goes well, I don't know, he's not the
(32:26):
lead candidate here in a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Last thing, this is a new system for Aaron Rodgers,
a different style. He doesn't have a ton of time
as a lead up, but he should have enough time.
How does he fit in to this offensive system?
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Well, I think that the experience with Lafleur and once
he kind of relented after nineteen and started winning those
MVPs in twenty and twenty one, it was about run
first past second, you know, which you know, even with
McCarthy was about spreading it out, shotgunslinging around. When you
look at Arthur Smith when he became a hot name
in the NFL, it was with Tanney Hill running the
(33:05):
ball and really playing defense and at the end of
the day, like Bruce Arians was fired once from Pittsburgh
after they won the Super Bowl, why because they passed
it too much. So the family business is running the
ball and playing in defense. And if you're Aaron at
forty one years old, I mean part of like when
he got to the Jets, why people thought he was
(33:26):
gonna be success, like a great defense. They got Breeth
Hall take pressure off him, and then it kind of
morphs that a lot fell on his back. So if
the defense can't improve, I mean last year down the stretch,
the sealss off one defense and this young guy from Iowa.
I don't know how much Iowa football you watch last year,
but I thought Caleb Johnson was a beast. He's like six'
(33:48):
two or he's like sixty one two twenty, Five.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
But he's a.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Rookie you, know if he can have a big year
With Jalen warren and they can just run the ball
and play d and then just Let rogers do what he,
did do you know ideally like twenty five thirty attempts a,
game not, fifty you, KNOW i think they could have some.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Success john minokoff three and now's the, podcast also The
Going Low Golf. Podcast if it's a, Podcast he'll do.
It he joins us On The Doug Gollip, Show johnny The.
Best thanks for joining.
Speaker 8 (34:16):
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Speaker 13 (34:40):
Game this is game time on The Doug Gottlieb. Show
dan byrou what's the game, Today?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Doug the game Is rank them all.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
Right doug ranked the three most important play finals players
so far during This Pacers thunders. Series most.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Important uh, OKAY i will do the? Wait would you
Say pacers players are overall?
Speaker 7 (35:09):
Overall both?
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Teams, Oh Jayla williams, Three Shake Gill Zugs enter, Two
Tyre's helbert, one No.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Caruso you were waxing poetically about.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
He, said most? IMPORTANT i, MEAN i you, know it's, like,
YEAH i, mean he'd be right, there BUT i think he's.
Huge it's a great point you. Made you found my
you found, me, uh contradicting. Myself you did.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
Well, no SOMETIMES i listen Or i'll maybe even like
look at a tweet that you have to like bring up.
Topics and SO i was just you were Mentioning caruso
and what he's been And siakam was great for him last.
Night SO i just didn't know if they would make the.
List all, Right doug ranked the three most popular sports
In Oklahoma. City so if we were in OK, c
(35:51):
what are the people talking?
Speaker 1 (35:53):
About? UH i would say golf, THREE nba basketball, two
in college football.
Speaker 7 (36:05):
One, okay not shocked by. That i'd like to see
golf at number. Three we know they love softball. There
The olympics are going to do you love? Softball, yeah
going to be there in twenty twenty eight for the
softball portion of it and some kayaking. STUFF i thought, Though, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
They the river there which was never river before but
or was a river a long time ago but never
water WHEN i lived there and had then a nice
chot with.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
It all, right final, questions because we're short on. Time
you Mentioned Jay monahan stepping down AS Pga tour. Commissioner
in your interview With John, middelkoff rank the three most
famous commissioners in all of sports that you can. Remember
three most famous, Commissioners.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Uh Roger goodell, Three David stern, two And Bart. Giamatti.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Wo that's. RANDOM i like.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
It, Well but here here's why you didn't ask why
Why Bart. Giamoni he was one who Suspended Pete. Rose, Right,
yes that was. Why that was like the most that
was like the seminal moments in sports of my childhood
or early. Adulthood so, Yeah. Bartie then he.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Died, Yeah Dana white there and the, rest why.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Could have gotten? There, yeah he's creeping up in.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
There, yeah and that's game.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Time.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
Game this is game time on The Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
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