May 15, 2017 • 35 mins
Doug explains the difference between being a dirty player and making a dirty play after Spurs F Kawhi Leonard rolled his ankle on Warriors F Zaza Pachulia’s foot. He talks about former Yankees SS Derek Jeter’s jersey retirement ceremony and where he fits among the great Yankees of all-time. Plus Orlando Magic head coach Frank Vogel joins the show and talks about his philosophy on tanking in the NBA.
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This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
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Monday Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio phone number eight
seven seven nine Fox. That's eight seven seven six six
three six nine. Welcome in. What a boring sports Saturday
we had, right, just a horrendous sports Saturday. I know
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there is UFC late at night. I know there's NHL hockey,
but because of the jumbling of the schedules where the
Western Conference Finals starts before the Eastern Conference Semifinals ends,
we had this lull leftter great game on Friday night, which,
of course the conclusion of that series is tonight. We'll
get to that John Wall game winner, and uh, all
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these DC media guys are all bent out of shape
over something Colin said seven years ago. Like you said
something mean seven years ago, We're still mad. We'll get
to whether or not that has anything to do with
Colin pointing out John Wall's lack of overall national, even
local popularity. We'll get to that upcoming, plus a preview
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of Whiz Celtics Game seven to decide who's gonna lose
to the Cleveland Cavaliers, which one of you guys wants
to lose to the Cavaliers more you you speaking of losing.
The San Antonio Spurs lost one to one eleven. But
the story is so much more interesting than just the
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fact that they had a big lead, that they were
up what sixty two to what stoty two at the half,
They're up twenty at the half of twenty five in
the second half and lose. Steph has eighteen and the
third quarter forty for the game, k d carries him
down the stretch and the Warriors win. Like if you
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just go and pop in and check out the box scores,
you're like, yeah, it kind of makes sense, right, Like
everybody knew the Warriors are gonna make a run, which
you didn't know was that first David Lee would take
out Kawhi Leonard. Kauai hits a jump shot, back pedals
into the bench, steps on David Lee his teammate's foot,
and then ja Ja Pashulia would complete the task and
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sweep the leg on Kawuhi Leonard Kawhi Leonard to just
point out how how he was smoking twenty six points
in twenty four minutes on thirteen shots and a plus
twenty one in plus minus. He was on fire, He
was unguardable, He was a very tough matchup. He is,
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of course, the best player for the San Antonio's first
and just like everybody seemed to point out that when
they beat the Houston Rockets last Thursday night and did
so by thirty nine points, like we could point out
that Kauai didn't play, But that game was all about
the the the m i a of of James Harden.
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This game was all about just how good Kauai is,
how much he means to this team, and how devastating
not just the losses, but the loss in this fashion
and losing him and the potential of losing him for
game two is. There's a bunch to get to first.
I thought this was interesting. Here's Monogen nobly after the game,
and Mono, we told you last week just like all
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old dudes, right, being as good as he once was,
But he's as good once as he ever was. Yesterday
he was as good as he ever was. Seventeen points,
hit some three, He's got some block shots, but couldn't
make plays down the stretch without Kauai. Leonard, here's Mono
on how devastating it was. It's very hard to react
from a game like this. I was just saying in
Spanish that I always preferred to lose by twenty again
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like this, in which case the home team relaxes a
little bit, feels good about themselves, and we're hurt. We
were angry, and the opposite happened. We played an outstanding
game for more for half, and then they came back.
They overplayed us. They were more aggressive than more shots,
So he sees tough on. Besides, if it is bad enough,
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we lost our best player. Outside of that, Mrs Lincoln,
how is the show right? We don't have Tony Parker.
We're up twenty five points, We badly outplay them. They
come back and pressure us, and we succumbed to the pressure.
And oh yeah, by the way, Kawai and Leonard, who
was smoking hot playing a great game, gets hurt. Were
losing for the rest of that game, lose the game
and potentially losing for game two. That's a great thing.
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And and he's that's the old Is it better to
have loved and lost than never to have loved at all?
And clearly Mono is the never to have loved at all.
The most interesting commentary is that of Greg Popish. Let
me tell you what I love about Gregg Pops when
he speaks. I don't agree with everything he says, but
I think he's thoughtful. I think he's opinionated. I think
he's unafraid. I think he's reached the NBA version of
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the Spurrier zone. You guys know what the Spurrier's on is.
The Spurrier zone is an offshoot of the Tyson zone.
The Tyson zone was. I think Bill Simmons coined that
the Tyson one zone was there's no story about Mike
Tyson that you wouldn't believe, right, I feel like Mike
Tyson in Mauled the Bear. You're like, okay, I can
see that, Like Mike Tyson just drank a snake's blood
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and then pounded down with like three shots. Like I
could see that. There's no story about Mike Tyson. You
believe that's the Tyson zone. The Spurrier zone is once
you've gotten to a point in your career as a
coach to where you're so well respected that you can
say whatever you want whenever you want. You just kinda
let your nuts hang, right. You're just like Steve Spurrier
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remember one year like, well, I'm playing ain't playing Georgia
on the year. That's too bad because you know they
always have a couple of guys to spend its dark season.
And he was right. But like no coach ever says
that except Spurrier. Why because Spurrier one at Florida, Spurrier
one at Duke. You want a high span trop you
want a national championship. And then he got South Carolina
to Atlanta, which is like winning a national championship elsewhere.
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That's the Spurrier zone. Well you can say kind of
whatever you really feel, because at the end of the day,
he's got rings, he's got equity, and you don't up
is in that. Here's the problem I have with pop.
He always wants to speak his mind, except when a
side that reporter asked him a question, like Doris Burke is.
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She's an analyst playing the role of sidelin reporter. She's
the good as sideline putter as there is in the
sport because she knows the right questions to ask. And
even she was like, ask one question, got a one
word answer. I'm moving on to wish everybody a happy
Mother's Day, So I I hate the fake tough guy.
I'm going to intimidate everybody. I don't want to do
this sideline thing, even though they tell me I have
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to do it. I want to talk what I want
to talk. But when I want to talk, everybody's got
to listen. On the other hand, pob does say some
things to which when he uh uses his First Amendment rights,
he says exactly what's on his mind when it's on
his mind. Here is Greg Popovitch earlier today talking about
Jaja Pashulia, who's the starting center for the Golden State Warriors,
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spraying the ankle of Kawhi Leonard, the play where he
took Kauai down and locked his arm in Dallas and
could have broken his arm. Asked David West, his current teammate,
how things went when jos I was playing for Dallas
and he and David got into it, and then think
about the history he's had and what that means to
a team. What happened last night and totally unnatural clothed
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out that the league has outlawed years ago and paid
great attention to it, and Kauai is not there, and
you want to know how we feel about you want
to know if that lessons our chances or not. We're
playing very possibly the best team in the league. You know,
we don't know what's gonna happen in the East. Nine
point seven five people out of ten would figure the
Warriors will beat the Spurs. Well, we've had a pretty
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damn good season. We've played fairly well in the playoffs.
I think we're getting better. And we're up twenty three
points in the third quarter against Golden State and Kauai
goes down like that, And you want to know if
our chances are less and you want to know how
we feel. That's how we feel. I think we know
how Gregg Popovitch feels right, not shy with it. He's
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in the spurior zone. He can say whatever he wants
as soon as it's on his money. Went on an
anti Trump diet tribe before the game. He goes on
an anti josh A Patulia diet tribe after the game today,
And he's right. It's one of those things in sports
to which we kind of sometimes cut out the wrong things,
like Draymond Green got a technical foul yesterday for talking
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trash for Wolf and if you will, and he got
his money's worth afterwards. But he shouldn't have gotten the
initial technical foul, like that's not a technical foul. And
yet that that's a technical foul yet Jasja Paulia, that's
a foul, like that should be an injection. And I
love the fact that Popovich brought up later brought up manslaughter. Right,
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They're like, oh, did he mean to do it? Pop
said this, if he would have played and they'd ended
up winning, I go get dinner, have a glass of wine,
wake up the next day, go to practice, and move on.
But this is crop because he's got this story. It
can't just be h it was inadvertent, He didn't he
didn't have intent. Who gives a damn about what his
intent was? Do you ever hear a manslaughter? You still
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go to jail. I think when you're texting and you
end up killing somebody, but you might not have intended
to do that. All I care is what I saw.
All I care about is what I What happened in
the history of their exacerbates the whole situation and makes
me very very angry. Look, I think there's a there's
a point to be made for Ja in that there's
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a certain Matthew Delava Dova Uh to his style, a
certain Bruce Bowen even to his style in which when
you're not as athletically gifted as so many of these
guys that and you're you're playing hard, you can play
what I call playing too hard, right, you can close
out too hard. You can't run underneath dudes. Any basketball player,
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especially the higher level you play, they will tell you
they are more concerned about knowing where they're gonna come
down than the contact when they go up. We're so
concerned about shots to the head. We always review them.
They always go review shots to the head. But all
guys care about is do I know what's underneath me
when I'm coming down and how I'm coming down. So
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there's a there's a certain lost in translation because a
lot of people who cover basketball don't actually know basketball,
and Twitter kind of exposes that. And frankly yesterday like, look,
I'm sitting there listening to Jeff Van Gundhi and everything
he's saying is what I'm thinking. Mark Jackson saying things
which I completely disagree with. So there's different ways to
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look at it. But I'm fascinated by this, uh, this
amount of fortune, this amount of luck that the Warriors
have run upon like if this, if they end up
winning a title, they end up winning two out of
three and seventy three wins and three NBA Finals wins
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in between. That's what they would have they win a title,
the story will be, this is a bird inning dynasty. Right.
They revamped their bench, they brought in Kevin Durant, everybody resigns.
They're doing They're doing so with Steve Kirk coaching in
the locker room and Mike Brown coaching on the bench. Like,
there's a lot of interesting parts to it. But isn't
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it fascinating how every team they played in their first
title run had injuries and now every team they're playing
now has injuries. And this fury cute, likable team has
Draymond Green last year kicking guys in the nuts and
this year's Jaja Petulia stepping under the best player on
the Spurs. And you got Popovich in the Spur your zone.
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And though the though the you would think that the
outcome of the series is a foregone conclusion even before
they threw it up, the fact is, if you watched
that game last night, Kawhi Leonard was the one main
reason that the series was not a foregone conclusion, and
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now it is. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. Derek Jeter got recognize. Yesterday they retired
the number two jersey, which means there's no more single
digit jerseys for the Yankees. Here's my problem with it.
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Do you know whose number is? Retires? Number six? S?
You you know all the all the numbers for the Yankees,
right music? Do you know the numbers for the Yankees?
I the only I only know to come to mind
obviously Jeter number two, Babe Ruth number three, Uh, that ones,
Billy Martin's number one. Bill bar was a great player,
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but like you're not old enough to again, sorry I'm
not doing them super old deal, but you're not old
enough to remember like he was hired and fired continually
as the manager of the Yankees because George Steinburner was
a lunatic, like a lot of this is what you
remember last um, people remember George Steinbrener with Derek Jeter's
uh finally getting a winner. But but he was like
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George Steinberg was kicked out of baseball for a period
of time for what he did to Dave Winfield. Like
he was a bad guy for a long time and
he just happened to get lightning in a bottle. Billy
Martin one, Derek Jeter two, Babe Ruth three, lou Gary
iron Horse four, Joe DiMaggio five, Mickey Mantle is seven,
Bill Dickey and Yogi Barra both eight. Do you know
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who number six is? Nine? By the way, is Roger
Merris and Marris is? Um? The Marist one is interesting
because Roger Marris was a seven time All Star, two
time AO m v P. Most he's most remembered for
the sixty one home runs, right, but he's actually a
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really good player, really good player. Only in sixty and
sixty one and uh sixty he won the Gold Glove.
I don't believe he was nearly at the level of
everybody else we mentioned. But why is Joe Tori's number
six retired? Like if you want to tell me that
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Joe Tory is one of the all time great managers
in baseball, fine, but you kind of pick out your
number randomly, like that number can be doubled up correct,
Like there's it's the really weird, kind of uncomfortable thing
of that these baseball managers have to wear uniforms and
so they tried out there, but their number is completely inconsequential.
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So even though they only have all the single digit
numbers are retired, Like, why is Joe Tori's numbers? I'm
not saying that Joe Tory doesn't deserve some sort of honor,
but honoring retiring his number when he never threw a pitch,
never hit a pitch in an important game. Um, and look,
he was a very good player in his own right,
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and people forget, like, but you know what he wasn't
as a player. He wasn't a New York Yankee, So
why are you retiring his number? That one's weird to
be And I know it's like it's already been done.
And now you're like, oh wait, do we have to
can we unretire that or could that just be retired
for managers only? Like no managers can wear six ever? Again,
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the Dodges retired to for timeless sort of so nobody
can care too. So it's the same theory, right, they
shouldn't be retired the number two, according to you, like
does anybody remember Tommy les ordas number two, Like everybody
remembers forty two for the Dodgers because forty two there's
a Jackie Robinson day, and forty two for the Yankees
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will soon be retired. It's Mario Rivera, and like everybody,
because the number is synonymous with the player, but the
number is so not synonymous with the manager. It is
inconsequential with the manager. I'm not saying to not honor
the manager, but to honor the manager with a retired number,
as if they played a game, to which most of
us don't really understand why they even where jerseys or
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have numbers anymore. I think only doubles down the stupidity.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug got
Leave Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific. Frank Vogel,
head coach of the Orlando Magic Joints, just on The
Doug Gottlave Show on Fox Sports Radio. Coach, how are
you good man? Um? Okay, let's let's go to yesterday
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in your just in your basketball opinion? Ja Ja Pashulia,
do you think of him as a dirty player? I
did not. Was that a dirty play? Was that a
dirty play that he made, because look, you can there's
a differentiation. You can make a dirty play but not
be a dirty player, right, um, And you know then
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all of a sudden pop kind of provided provided that
kind of middle ground, Like it doesn't really matter what
his intent is. What are your thoughts on kind of
the extra long clothes out. We're a big guy who
you know, like you struggle to close out, but it
wasn't like yet a running start. He closes out a
little bit too long and goes underneath Kawhi Leonard. Yeah,
I don't know about this. I mean, this is been
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debated since at the time, and uh, you know, it's
just one of those things that I find it hard
to believe that uh player would intensely try to hurt
hurt another player, and you know, to do it in
this way is really hard to do, you know. So
I tend to think that, you know, it's a guy
like Za just out there playing as hard as you
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can and um and trying to trying to get the
best possible contest on the shot. That's how I tend
to see it. How are the how we're I mean, like, look,
I think Hawaii is great, but to be able to
have that lead even without Tony Parker, with your basketball
mind being so much stronger, How were they able to
slow down the Warrior's offense? What were they doing that
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that was working for them, especially the defensive end. Well,
I didn't see the whole game. Um, I just know
that San Antonio is the best defensive raided team in
the in the NBA, and obviously coach Pop is one
of the best best ever at preparing for an opponent.
So they were very locked in. They played extremely hard
and make everything difficult for you, and you know, to
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see them slow any offense down, it's not really Surpresident
Frank Bogo join US head coach to Orlando Magic getting
ready for the NBA Draft lottery, which is tomorrow night.
What's your what's your good luck plan? Like, did you
do you have do you have a rabbit's foot? Do
you have something you're gonna do? Like you know, you're
not a you're not a draft lottery expert, but at
some point it does come down a little bit of luck.
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What is what is your plan for good luck tomorrow night? Well,
I'm not putting the lucky rabbits foot anything like that.
I like to think my plan was, you know, for
to create positive karma by not thanking and trying to
win as many games as we possible possibly could down
the stretch when we were eliminated already and uh not
resting guys and and those types of things. You know, you, uh,
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you played through the basketball guys, and hopefully you get
rewarded at some point. So that's all I happen to,
all right. So when people say like you're twenty nine,
you're like, yeah, we're twenty nine, but we were trying
to win those twenty nine other people were trying to
lose more games like we really were this. I know,
I know it's your first year, but uh winning to
the end. What what was that like for you? I
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mean you you like, you guys are really close in
Indiana to take over a team that is very much
in transition. Of course, the guy who hired you, as
you know, manager Rob Hennigan was was relieved of his duties.
But for for you, a guy who invests so much
in every game, what's it like to be a part
of this transition process where you are expected to lose
more than you win. Well, we um, you know, the
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expectation for me was to lose as much as we
did this year. Um, you know, it was not to
be part of a rebuild. It was to come in
and hit the ground running, and uh certainly we saw
short of that. So it was a very very challenging
year for me personally and for our whole organization, who
was ready to get over this hump and and in
this week old and get our team back into the playoffs.
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So it was a difficult year. First, There's there's no
question about it. And you know, we're glad it's behind
us and we're looking forward to, uh the new optimism
that comes along with a high draft pick and you know,
whatever changes we need to make going into next season.
All Right, these two teams Tonight Whiz and Celtics. You
guys obviously have seen a ton Whiz actually in your division,
Celtics obviously in in your conference. Give me your thoughts
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first on John Wall, Like we all know, he has
this incredible uh end end speed, like it's it's freaky
end end speed. And then I don't know if you
saw in Game six he had a spin move Like
it's one thing to be going that fast, but then
to have the agility to spin going that fast, what's like,
what are the keys to trying to slow John Wall
down so that he doesn't get it going. Yeah, first
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of all, this that makes me really perform that spin
moves where he did traveling and he did it. He
came to a complete jump stop spin which was just
watching the motion was very arkable. Um, what a series.
This has been huh at just about every game of
this series, and you know it's just, uh, you know,
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a fascinating series to be competitive teams, to be how
much they don't like each other, and uh, you know,
for it to come down to the game seven and
something that I'm very eager uh to sit out on
the couch tonight and take a look at um John Ball.
John Wall has really become a hyper player, hasn't he.
You know he uh he struggle a little bit for
the first couple of years being number one overall pick.
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But the guys thought out, figure it out. You know,
we knew the talent was always there, and you know
he's doing it in every way. You know, he's always
had the end of the end to end speed, but
he's really improved his primilar shooting. As he saw what
the game winner of the other night. It does that
on'm a defensive end and um, you know, he makes
them a very very difficult out. So the Celtics got
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their handsful, I think. And then you get the Celtics
side coach where you have Isaiah Thomas, who I think
the second the NBA and fourth quarter scoring, um, and
they've done it some to where you know they'll run out,
they'll just double team and get rid of them. Why
why not just double team him every time he comes
off a ball screen late in the shock clock. Why
not just just make somebody else handle the basketball because
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he's so dynamic with it. Is there is there spacing
too great? I mean it just seem again from from
my my couch, you would seem he's small, so he
has to somehow pass around the double team or dribble
out of it, and he's really the primary ball handler.
Why not just get out of his hands. Well, there's
a lot of latest to that. It's it's fought with
the fact that usually free shooters on the court of
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four other three point shooters on the court who are
all good playmates and good players. So you know, double
teaming in the basket me near half corridor at the
top of the key usually leads to an open three
or a layup. So that that's where you start in
terms of why you don't double them right away. Um.
The other the other part of it is can you
contain him? Is he's gonna split your big is going
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to project the screen and take it away from it. Um,
you know, there's a lot of ways that he can
hurt you just by attacking the double team. You know,
he's so so a little and so quick. So it's
not just an easy answer. You see that a lot
with analysts saying, well, just get get it out of
his hands. And it's not always as easy as it sounds. Um,
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but certainly if you don't do it, and he's gonna
burn you, and he's he's proving that throughout these playoffs
and throughout the season as well. So, Um, there's a
reason they're the one season they've had an extremely successful season.
And it's just not a not an easy proposition for
an imposing coach. You know, you guys switched kind of
mid stream in Indiana where you guys tried to go
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to small ball. You know, when Paul George came back
off injury, you played him at power forward. He tried
to kind of adjust to the league. And you watch
these two teams. I mean, heck, when they throw Jay
Crowd out there, I mean what he's like six like
a six five power forward, right, and sometimes they'll have
Isaiah and Avery Bradley and uh and Marcus Smarter Rogierra.
I mean they have a tiny, tiny lineup. Um, is
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I know this is the way the league is going
by your estimation? Will it end ever trend back the
other way? Will we ever see more use of big guys,
of the ball being thrown inside or is this not
just the present but the future and it will remain
that way? Well, I think they'll see certain teams trend
that way. You know. To me, it revolves around, um,
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it leads now and at the big positions. You know,
if you're having an all star level center, then you're
gonna play through him, and that's gonna be what the
game looks like. He's gonna have that style, play a
game an all star level power forward, the same thing.
But the non all star level guys are being stretched
out a little bit by by this small ball era,
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and speed is eating size uh pretty much university league wide,
and um, you know, I think you're gonna see and
obviously the greater part of the league with this trap
last thing, you compete against Lebron in the playoffs before,
you know, you guys have pushed them, and he he
found he just found a way to stick the dagger
and he has he's found a way to stick in
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the dagger in in the Celtics before. But I kind
of feel like since last year's finals run, there's a
different air about him. He always seemed he didn't lose
his confidence as much against you guys in shooting as
he did sometimes against the Spurs or another situation, but
sometimes he would. This year it seems different. Is that
is that? Is that like a confirmation? But I see
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him make shots and I believe that, or having coached
against him and having watched this league, you believe it
to be true that winning a championship in Cleveland, he's different.
He's more confident even in the weak parts of his
game than he has been in the past. Yeah, he
definitely has a different look about him. I really believe,
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you know, wants in the first amount of the playoffs
if the best I've ever seen him, and you know
that's not a it's not good thing for the rest
of the league. Um, he just has a look about him,
a confidence about him that you know he's not going
to be denied and he knows he could gets the
job done. I think the fact that they won the
championship last year in Cleveland, um, you know, really kind
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of took the monkey off their back collectively as a
team at the city. And you know it's something that
h I think it's them this year. Well, listen, Frank,
we know you got the draft lottery, and if there's
ever a year to be in the draft light, this
seems like a good one. Like, nobody wants to win
twenty nine games, but this is a year to which
there's probably a guy or two that could really help
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jump start your franchise, get people to buy more season tickets,
and of course get this thing turned around in the
right way. We wish you nothing but success and can't
wait to see what takes place tomorrow night and what
that does for you in the upcoming NBA Draft. Alright,
thanks for having on. I appreciate Frank Bogel. That's the
head coach of the Orlando Magic. Sports Radio has the
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at everybody, we really are. We've been tracking everything that's
going on, and we've got cap and roster issues and
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stuff like that. We're trying to manage properly. But quite frankly, yes,
we're looking at those guys. The Seahawks are still pondering
as it stea Hawks still pondering as a destination for
Kaepernick this offseason, as the quarterback gets the cold shoulder
from the n FELL after struggling the past two seasons
on the field and his national anthem protests off of it.
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So look, I don't know if he's going to Seattle.
I know that. Pete Carroll's asked the question, and he
took the answer, uh, the easy answer like, Yep, we're
looking at everything, which doesn't necessarily mean they want to
sign him, but it would actually make some sense. Yes, Ryan,
would you agree? I think that that's not the way
you ask what do you think? Yes? Do you think
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Pete Carroll is the type of head coach that usually
gets a pass from the media. Not a lot of
people are heavily critical of him. Uh? I just kind
of think we know who Pete Carroll is, right, Like
he's he's kind of happy, super energetic, doesn't really say anything,
you know, doesn't really tell you exactly what he thinks.
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Why do you bring that up on him? So? Do
you think that if Colin Kaepernick were to go to
a team like the Seattle Seahawks with Pete Carroll as
their head coach, he will be sort of that buffer
for Kaepernick? I just think he'll be a backup quarterback.
And like, look, they already remember last year they wanted
to protest the some of the you know, the social
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ash us and so instead of taking a knee, they
decided to lock arms. But what Yeah, But what I'm
saying is, like, do you think Pete Carroll is the
right type of head coach to handle what could come
with having Colin Kaepernick as your backup quarterback. I do
from this perspective like he's handled, He's able to handle
Russell Richard Sherman, you know who says things that I
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think are far more offensive to the coaching staff and
may may get him run out of tent. Dan Dan
Buyers a Seahawks fans also, I would say this, They're
a veteran team, so like if you were to put
him on a younger team, I think there would be
it would be difficult for the other players to handle.
I think that there are enough veterans on that team
where if they were asked questions about them that they
would be able to handle it. It's a weird team.
Like Russell Wilson says all kinds of has said all
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kinds of crazy stuff. He's kind of gotten a pass
for right, Like he had the magic water for a
while that cured him of concussions. You know then he
did that. You know that God helped them beat the
God helped him beat the Green Bay Packers, which ruffles
and feathery Richard Sherman telling the offensive coordinator Darryl bevel
what he can and can't run, and then they score
on a pass even though he said he shouldn't pass
the ball around. It's like a weird they're so outspoken
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that it becomes white noise. But look, I just think
the big thing is the league has determined that he's
a backup and that he's a hard fit, and with
that herd fit, he's got some issues in terms of
corporate sponsors not wanting not wanting the protests. Be sure
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Fox say? And now I continue to believe we have
the best sports lineup in national sports radio history. That
doesn't mean that I can't take shots at the takes
of my colleagues, right, nor if they can take shots
at at my takes. Take a list of what Colin
cow Hurt the Herd on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart app had to say about Kauai Leonard going
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down and how it doesn't matter anyway. The better organization,
the more capable that organization is of weathering the loss
of a great employee. So Kawuhi Leonard goes down yesterday,
and all I hear is well, I mean if it
was for Kauai. Now, actually we have actual data on this.
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The Spurs are eight and one this year without Kauai.
I don't want to hear Greg Popovitch. Now we can't
win with that. You are eight and one this year
without Kauai. I'll give you a pass. Yesterday it was destabilized,
but you have shown an ability to win games and
get here with all sorts of injuries. That sounds really good.
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But if you lose your starting point guard and you
lose your best player, you're not being anybody in the
NBA playoffs. Let's see, if you're such a great organization,
you can there's five players on a basketball floor. You
lost two of your five best players, and you were
at a talent disparity to start, even if you had
all five of your best players. To me, the story
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of the day is the attrition or lack there of
attrition that I believe the Warriors will go through and like, look,
that's no different than the Calves. The Calves were smartly
able to get through their first couple of series and
now they're going to get a team that's worn down
from their seven game series. But I also think that
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the Calves would probably most like to play the Celtics
because the Celtics play very similar style and yet there
is a complete and utter mismatch in terms of size.
Like I just I can't see the Celtics taking more
than a game from the Calves, whereas whereas the Wizards,
I could see him taking two games, and I could
see him think I could see him making it a
little bit more difficult. I could can see the a
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little bit more of the gradual reducing of strength or
effectiveness through sustain ain't attack or pressure. I really could
we lost the ability to have attrition on the Wars.
And maybe that's for the best. You want full strength Warriors,
full strength Cabs. You want both teams just get get
it done in four games and let's get it on
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for seven games. Maybe that's what you want. But I
think attrition is has always been just like injuries, attrition
has always been kind of the untold story of the playoffs.
Speaking of the Warriors, take a listen to what Clay
Travis had to say in regards to UH coaching in
the NBA and what he would do if he was
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a coach. I am the average NBA fan. I represent
him right. If you put me on the sideline for
the coach coaching the games themselves. I think if I
had coached eighty two games on the sideline this year
for the Warriors, I think that I would have won
sixty four games. The players basically coach themselves so many
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NBA games. I would have the best talent in every game.
I would take direction from Steve Kerr, who's injured right now.
I think I could design plays in the context of
most of the NBA is just about philosophy. Yeah, that's
not even close to being true. That that's so far
from being true. It's not really funny. Now. Look, that
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doesn't mean that you couldn't have assistant coaches that dropped
the place some coaches have that. Uh. But I would
say the thing that there is more of in the
NBA than anybody will ever know. There's more defense in
the NBA, and there's more coaching in the NBA then
you could ever fathom. Because there's two to two and
a half as many possessions in an NBA game as
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there's a college game. There's coaching on simply every possession
between substitution pattern coaching out of a time out, coaching
in balanced plays, coaching to try and find a mismatch. Yeah,
there's actually a lot of coaching that it goes on
that's actually the opposite of the truth. Just the ID
you have, Hey, I can drop some place because it's
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more about philosophy, like let's get the ball to Kevin
Durant and let's everybody else get out of the way,
Like where do you want me to stand? Just you
kind of know where to stand? Yeah, that's not a
can they coach? Can they police themselves? They can? But
remember all of these players were star players at some
point in their lives. That's how they got to the NBA.
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So until you have somebody who make sure, you have
to find a way to manage the egos and to
assign the rules without managing the egos. In science that
there's an art to it. That's the philosophy he's talking about.
I agree with that. I understand that there's actually a
lot of coaching that takes place about hell, I mean,
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look like Brady Hope forever coached in college fool without
a headset, Like what exactly is is he a philosopher.
What is what's going on there? That's what the Fox
says say
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Monday Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio phone number eight
seven seven nine Fox. That's eight seven seven six six
three six nine. Welcome in. What a boring sports Saturday
we had, right, just a horrendous sports Saturday. I know
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there is UFC late at night. I know there's NHL hockey,
but because of the jumbling of the schedules where the
Western Conference Finals starts before the Eastern Conference Semifinals ends,
we had this lull leftter great game on Friday night, which,
of course the conclusion of that series is tonight. We'll
get to that John Wall game winner, and uh, all
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these DC media guys are all bent out of shape
over something Colin said seven years ago. Like you said
something mean seven years ago, We're still mad. We'll get
to whether or not that has anything to do with
Colin pointing out John Wall's lack of overall national, even
local popularity. We'll get to that upcoming, plus a preview
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of Whiz Celtics Game seven to decide who's gonna lose
to the Cleveland Cavaliers, which one of you guys wants
to lose to the Cavaliers more you you speaking of losing.
The San Antonio Spurs lost one to one eleven. But
the story is so much more interesting than just the
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fact that they had a big lead, that they were
up what sixty two to what stoty two at the half,
They're up twenty at the half of twenty five in
the second half and lose. Steph has eighteen and the
third quarter forty for the game, k d carries him
down the stretch and the Warriors win. Like if you
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just go and pop in and check out the box scores,
you're like, yeah, it kind of makes sense, right, Like
everybody knew the Warriors are gonna make a run, which
you didn't know was that first David Lee would take
out Kawhi Leonard. Kauai hits a jump shot, back pedals
into the bench, steps on David Lee his teammate's foot,
and then ja Ja Pashulia would complete the task and
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sweep the leg on Kawuhi Leonard Kawhi Leonard to just
point out how how he was smoking twenty six points
in twenty four minutes on thirteen shots and a plus
twenty one in plus minus. He was on fire, He
was unguardable, He was a very tough matchup. He is,
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of course, the best player for the San Antonio's first
and just like everybody seemed to point out that when
they beat the Houston Rockets last Thursday night and did
so by thirty nine points, like we could point out
that Kauai didn't play, But that game was all about
the the the m i a of of James Harden.
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This game was all about just how good Kauai is,
how much he means to this team, and how devastating
not just the losses, but the loss in this fashion
and losing him and the potential of losing him for
game two is. There's a bunch to get to first.
I thought this was interesting. Here's Monogen nobly after the game,
and Mono, we told you last week just like all
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old dudes, right, being as good as he once was,
But he's as good once as he ever was. Yesterday
he was as good as he ever was. Seventeen points,
hit some three, He's got some block shots, but couldn't
make plays down the stretch without Kauai. Leonard, here's Mono
on how devastating it was. It's very hard to react
from a game like this. I was just saying in
Spanish that I always preferred to lose by twenty again
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like this, in which case the home team relaxes a
little bit, feels good about themselves, and we're hurt. We
were angry, and the opposite happened. We played an outstanding
game for more for half, and then they came back.
They overplayed us. They were more aggressive than more shots,
So he sees tough on. Besides, if it is bad enough,
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we lost our best player. Outside of that, Mrs Lincoln,
how is the show right? We don't have Tony Parker.
We're up twenty five points, We badly outplay them. They
come back and pressure us, and we succumbed to the pressure.
And oh yeah, by the way, Kawai and Leonard, who
was smoking hot playing a great game, gets hurt. Were
losing for the rest of that game, lose the game
and potentially losing for game two. That's a great thing.
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And and he's that's the old Is it better to
have loved and lost than never to have loved at all?
And clearly Mono is the never to have loved at all.
The most interesting commentary is that of Greg Popish. Let
me tell you what I love about Gregg Pops when
he speaks. I don't agree with everything he says, but
I think he's thoughtful. I think he's opinionated. I think
he's unafraid. I think he's reached the NBA version of
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the Spurrier zone. You guys know what the Spurrier's on is.
The Spurrier zone is an offshoot of the Tyson zone.
The Tyson zone was. I think Bill Simmons coined that
the Tyson one zone was there's no story about Mike
Tyson that you wouldn't believe, right, I feel like Mike
Tyson in Mauled the Bear. You're like, okay, I can
see that, Like Mike Tyson just drank a snake's blood
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and then pounded down with like three shots. Like I
could see that. There's no story about Mike Tyson. You
believe that's the Tyson zone. The Spurrier zone is once
you've gotten to a point in your career as a
coach to where you're so well respected that you can
say whatever you want whenever you want. You just kinda
let your nuts hang, right. You're just like Steve Spurrier
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remember one year like, well, I'm playing ain't playing Georgia
on the year. That's too bad because you know they
always have a couple of guys to spend its dark season.
And he was right. But like no coach ever says
that except Spurrier. Why because Spurrier one at Florida, Spurrier
one at Duke. You want a high span trop you
want a national championship. And then he got South Carolina
to Atlanta, which is like winning a national championship elsewhere.
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That's the Spurrier zone. Well you can say kind of
whatever you really feel, because at the end of the day,
he's got rings, he's got equity, and you don't up
is in that. Here's the problem I have with pop.
He always wants to speak his mind, except when a
side that reporter asked him a question, like Doris Burke is.
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She's an analyst playing the role of sidelin reporter. She's
the good as sideline putter as there is in the
sport because she knows the right questions to ask. And
even she was like, ask one question, got a one
word answer. I'm moving on to wish everybody a happy
Mother's Day, So I I hate the fake tough guy.
I'm going to intimidate everybody. I don't want to do
this sideline thing, even though they tell me I have
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to do it. I want to talk what I want
to talk. But when I want to talk, everybody's got
to listen. On the other hand, pob does say some
things to which when he uh uses his First Amendment rights,
he says exactly what's on his mind when it's on
his mind. Here is Greg Popovitch earlier today talking about
Jaja Pashulia, who's the starting center for the Golden State Warriors,
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spraying the ankle of Kawhi Leonard, the play where he
took Kauai down and locked his arm in Dallas and
could have broken his arm. Asked David West, his current teammate,
how things went when jos I was playing for Dallas
and he and David got into it, and then think
about the history he's had and what that means to
a team. What happened last night and totally unnatural clothed
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out that the league has outlawed years ago and paid
great attention to it, and Kauai is not there, and
you want to know how we feel about you want
to know if that lessons our chances or not. We're
playing very possibly the best team in the league. You know,
we don't know what's gonna happen in the East. Nine
point seven five people out of ten would figure the
Warriors will beat the Spurs. Well, we've had a pretty
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damn good season. We've played fairly well in the playoffs.
I think we're getting better. And we're up twenty three
points in the third quarter against Golden State and Kauai
goes down like that, And you want to know if
our chances are less and you want to know how
we feel. That's how we feel. I think we know
how Gregg Popovitch feels right, not shy with it. He's
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in the spurior zone. He can say whatever he wants
as soon as it's on his money. Went on an
anti Trump diet tribe before the game. He goes on
an anti josh A Patulia diet tribe after the game today,
And he's right. It's one of those things in sports
to which we kind of sometimes cut out the wrong things,
like Draymond Green got a technical foul yesterday for talking
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trash for Wolf and if you will, and he got
his money's worth afterwards. But he shouldn't have gotten the
initial technical foul, like that's not a technical foul. And
yet that that's a technical foul yet Jasja Paulia, that's
a foul, like that should be an injection. And I
love the fact that Popovich brought up later brought up manslaughter. Right,
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They're like, oh, did he mean to do it? Pop
said this, if he would have played and they'd ended
up winning, I go get dinner, have a glass of wine,
wake up the next day, go to practice, and move on.
But this is crop because he's got this story. It
can't just be h it was inadvertent, He didn't he
didn't have intent. Who gives a damn about what his
intent was? Do you ever hear a manslaughter? You still
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go to jail. I think when you're texting and you
end up killing somebody, but you might not have intended
to do that. All I care is what I saw.
All I care about is what I What happened in
the history of their exacerbates the whole situation and makes
me very very angry. Look, I think there's a there's
a point to be made for Ja in that there's
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a certain Matthew Delava Dova Uh to his style, a
certain Bruce Bowen even to his style in which when
you're not as athletically gifted as so many of these
guys that and you're you're playing hard, you can play
what I call playing too hard, right, you can close
out too hard. You can't run underneath dudes. Any basketball player,
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especially the higher level you play, they will tell you
they are more concerned about knowing where they're gonna come
down than the contact when they go up. We're so
concerned about shots to the head. We always review them.
They always go review shots to the head. But all
guys care about is do I know what's underneath me
when I'm coming down and how I'm coming down. So
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there's a there's a certain lost in translation because a
lot of people who cover basketball don't actually know basketball,
and Twitter kind of exposes that. And frankly yesterday like, look,
I'm sitting there listening to Jeff Van Gundhi and everything
he's saying is what I'm thinking. Mark Jackson saying things
which I completely disagree with. So there's different ways to
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look at it. But I'm fascinated by this, uh, this
amount of fortune, this amount of luck that the Warriors
have run upon like if this, if they end up
winning a title, they end up winning two out of
three and seventy three wins and three NBA Finals wins
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in between. That's what they would have they win a title,
the story will be, this is a bird inning dynasty. Right.
They revamped their bench, they brought in Kevin Durant, everybody resigns.
They're doing They're doing so with Steve Kirk coaching in
the locker room and Mike Brown coaching on the bench. Like,
there's a lot of interesting parts to it. But isn't
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it fascinating how every team they played in their first
title run had injuries and now every team they're playing
now has injuries. And this fury cute, likable team has
Draymond Green last year kicking guys in the nuts and
this year's Jaja Petulia stepping under the best player on
the Spurs. And you got Popovich in the Spur your zone.
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And though the though the you would think that the
outcome of the series is a foregone conclusion even before
they threw it up, the fact is, if you watched
that game last night, Kawhi Leonard was the one main
reason that the series was not a foregone conclusion, and
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now it is. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. Derek Jeter got recognize. Yesterday they retired
the number two jersey, which means there's no more single
digit jerseys for the Yankees. Here's my problem with it.
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Do you know whose number is? Retires? Number six? S?
You you know all the all the numbers for the Yankees,
right music? Do you know the numbers for the Yankees?
I the only I only know to come to mind
obviously Jeter number two, Babe Ruth number three, Uh, that ones,
Billy Martin's number one. Bill bar was a great player,
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but like you're not old enough to again, sorry I'm
not doing them super old deal, but you're not old
enough to remember like he was hired and fired continually
as the manager of the Yankees because George Steinburner was
a lunatic, like a lot of this is what you
remember last um, people remember George Steinbrener with Derek Jeter's
uh finally getting a winner. But but he was like
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George Steinberg was kicked out of baseball for a period
of time for what he did to Dave Winfield. Like
he was a bad guy for a long time and
he just happened to get lightning in a bottle. Billy
Martin one, Derek Jeter two, Babe Ruth three, lou Gary
iron Horse four, Joe DiMaggio five, Mickey Mantle is seven,
Bill Dickey and Yogi Barra both eight. Do you know
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who number six is? Nine? By the way, is Roger
Merris and Marris is? Um? The Marist one is interesting
because Roger Marris was a seven time All Star, two
time AO m v P. Most he's most remembered for
the sixty one home runs, right, but he's actually a
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really good player, really good player. Only in sixty and
sixty one and uh sixty he won the Gold Glove.
I don't believe he was nearly at the level of
everybody else we mentioned. But why is Joe Tori's number
six retired? Like if you want to tell me that
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Joe Tory is one of the all time great managers
in baseball, fine, but you kind of pick out your
number randomly, like that number can be doubled up correct,
Like there's it's the really weird, kind of uncomfortable thing
of that these baseball managers have to wear uniforms and
so they tried out there, but their number is completely inconsequential.
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So even though they only have all the single digit
numbers are retired, Like, why is Joe Tori's numbers? I'm
not saying that Joe Tory doesn't deserve some sort of honor,
but honoring retiring his number when he never threw a pitch,
never hit a pitch in an important game. Um, and look,
he was a very good player in his own right,
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and people forget, like, but you know what he wasn't
as a player. He wasn't a New York Yankee, So
why are you retiring his number? That one's weird to
be And I know it's like it's already been done.
And now you're like, oh wait, do we have to
can we unretire that or could that just be retired
for managers only? Like no managers can wear six ever? Again,
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the Dodges retired to for timeless sort of so nobody
can care too. So it's the same theory, right, they
shouldn't be retired the number two, according to you, like
does anybody remember Tommy les ordas number two, Like everybody
remembers forty two for the Dodgers because forty two there's
a Jackie Robinson day, and forty two for the Yankees
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will soon be retired. It's Mario Rivera, and like everybody,
because the number is synonymous with the player, but the
number is so not synonymous with the manager. It is
inconsequential with the manager. I'm not saying to not honor
the manager, but to honor the manager with a retired number,
as if they played a game, to which most of
us don't really understand why they even where jerseys or
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have numbers anymore. I think only doubles down the stupidity.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug got
Leave Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific. Frank Vogel,
head coach of the Orlando Magic Joints, just on The
Doug Gottlave Show on Fox Sports Radio. Coach, how are
you good man? Um? Okay, let's let's go to yesterday
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in your just in your basketball opinion? Ja Ja Pashulia,
do you think of him as a dirty player? I
did not. Was that a dirty play? Was that a
dirty play that he made, because look, you can there's
a differentiation. You can make a dirty play but not
be a dirty player, right, um, And you know then
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all of a sudden pop kind of provided provided that
kind of middle ground, Like it doesn't really matter what
his intent is. What are your thoughts on kind of
the extra long clothes out. We're a big guy who
you know, like you struggle to close out, but it
wasn't like yet a running start. He closes out a
little bit too long and goes underneath Kawhi Leonard. Yeah,
I don't know about this. I mean, this is been
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debated since at the time, and uh, you know, it's
just one of those things that I find it hard
to believe that uh player would intensely try to hurt
hurt another player, and you know, to do it in
this way is really hard to do, you know. So
I tend to think that, you know, it's a guy
like Za just out there playing as hard as you
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can and um and trying to trying to get the
best possible contest on the shot. That's how I tend
to see it. How are the how we're I mean, like, look,
I think Hawaii is great, but to be able to
have that lead even without Tony Parker, with your basketball
mind being so much stronger, How were they able to
slow down the Warrior's offense? What were they doing that
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that was working for them, especially the defensive end. Well,
I didn't see the whole game. Um, I just know
that San Antonio is the best defensive raided team in
the in the NBA, and obviously coach Pop is one
of the best best ever at preparing for an opponent.
So they were very locked in. They played extremely hard
and make everything difficult for you, and you know, to
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see them slow any offense down, it's not really Surpresident
Frank Bogo join US head coach to Orlando Magic getting
ready for the NBA Draft lottery, which is tomorrow night.
What's your what's your good luck plan? Like, did you
do you have do you have a rabbit's foot? Do
you have something you're gonna do? Like you know, you're
not a you're not a draft lottery expert, but at
some point it does come down a little bit of luck.
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What is what is your plan for good luck tomorrow night? Well,
I'm not putting the lucky rabbits foot anything like that.
I like to think my plan was, you know, for
to create positive karma by not thanking and trying to
win as many games as we possible possibly could down
the stretch when we were eliminated already and uh not
resting guys and and those types of things. You know, you, uh,
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you played through the basketball guys, and hopefully you get
rewarded at some point. So that's all I happen to,
all right. So when people say like you're twenty nine,
you're like, yeah, we're twenty nine, but we were trying
to win those twenty nine other people were trying to
lose more games like we really were this. I know,
I know it's your first year, but uh winning to
the end. What what was that like for you? I
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mean you you like, you guys are really close in
Indiana to take over a team that is very much
in transition. Of course, the guy who hired you, as
you know, manager Rob Hennigan was was relieved of his duties.
But for for you, a guy who invests so much
in every game, what's it like to be a part
of this transition process where you are expected to lose
more than you win. Well, we um, you know, the
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expectation for me was to lose as much as we
did this year. Um, you know, it was not to
be part of a rebuild. It was to come in
and hit the ground running, and uh certainly we saw
short of that. So it was a very very challenging
year for me personally and for our whole organization, who
was ready to get over this hump and and in
this week old and get our team back into the playoffs.
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So it was a difficult year. First, There's there's no
question about it. And you know, we're glad it's behind
us and we're looking forward to, uh the new optimism
that comes along with a high draft pick and you know,
whatever changes we need to make going into next season.
All Right, these two teams Tonight Whiz and Celtics. You
guys obviously have seen a ton Whiz actually in your division,
Celtics obviously in in your conference. Give me your thoughts
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first on John Wall, Like we all know, he has
this incredible uh end end speed, like it's it's freaky
end end speed. And then I don't know if you
saw in Game six he had a spin move Like
it's one thing to be going that fast, but then
to have the agility to spin going that fast, what's like,
what are the keys to trying to slow John Wall
down so that he doesn't get it going. Yeah, first
(20:48):
of all, this that makes me really perform that spin
moves where he did traveling and he did it. He
came to a complete jump stop spin which was just
watching the motion was very arkable. Um, what a series.
This has been huh at just about every game of
this series, and you know it's just, uh, you know,
(21:08):
a fascinating series to be competitive teams, to be how
much they don't like each other, and uh, you know,
for it to come down to the game seven and
something that I'm very eager uh to sit out on
the couch tonight and take a look at um John Ball.
John Wall has really become a hyper player, hasn't he.
You know he uh he struggle a little bit for
the first couple of years being number one overall pick.
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But the guys thought out, figure it out. You know,
we knew the talent was always there, and you know
he's doing it in every way. You know, he's always
had the end of the end to end speed, but
he's really improved his primilar shooting. As he saw what
the game winner of the other night. It does that
on'm a defensive end and um, you know, he makes
them a very very difficult out. So the Celtics got
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their handsful, I think. And then you get the Celtics
side coach where you have Isaiah Thomas, who I think
the second the NBA and fourth quarter scoring, um, and
they've done it some to where you know they'll run out,
they'll just double team and get rid of them. Why
why not just double team him every time he comes
off a ball screen late in the shock clock. Why
not just just make somebody else handle the basketball because
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he's so dynamic with it. Is there is there spacing
too great? I mean it just seem again from from
my my couch, you would seem he's small, so he
has to somehow pass around the double team or dribble
out of it, and he's really the primary ball handler.
Why not just get out of his hands. Well, there's
a lot of latest to that. It's it's fought with
the fact that usually free shooters on the court of
(22:38):
four other three point shooters on the court who are
all good playmates and good players. So you know, double
teaming in the basket me near half corridor at the
top of the key usually leads to an open three
or a layup. So that that's where you start in
terms of why you don't double them right away. Um.
The other the other part of it is can you
contain him? Is he's gonna split your big is going
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to project the screen and take it away from it. Um,
you know, there's a lot of ways that he can
hurt you just by attacking the double team. You know,
he's so so a little and so quick. So it's
not just an easy answer. You see that a lot
with analysts saying, well, just get get it out of
his hands. And it's not always as easy as it sounds. Um,
(23:21):
but certainly if you don't do it, and he's gonna
burn you, and he's he's proving that throughout these playoffs
and throughout the season as well. So, Um, there's a
reason they're the one season they've had an extremely successful season.
And it's just not a not an easy proposition for
an imposing coach. You know, you guys switched kind of
mid stream in Indiana where you guys tried to go
(23:43):
to small ball. You know, when Paul George came back
off injury, you played him at power forward. He tried
to kind of adjust to the league. And you watch
these two teams. I mean, heck, when they throw Jay
Crowd out there, I mean what he's like six like
a six five power forward, right, and sometimes they'll have
Isaiah and Avery Bradley and uh and Marcus Smarter Rogierra.
I mean they have a tiny, tiny lineup. Um, is
(24:05):
I know this is the way the league is going
by your estimation? Will it end ever trend back the
other way? Will we ever see more use of big guys,
of the ball being thrown inside or is this not
just the present but the future and it will remain
that way? Well, I think they'll see certain teams trend
that way. You know. To me, it revolves around, um,
(24:28):
it leads now and at the big positions. You know,
if you're having an all star level center, then you're
gonna play through him, and that's gonna be what the
game looks like. He's gonna have that style, play a
game an all star level power forward, the same thing.
But the non all star level guys are being stretched
out a little bit by by this small ball era,
(24:49):
and speed is eating size uh pretty much university league wide,
and um, you know, I think you're gonna see and
obviously the greater part of the league with this trap
last thing, you compete against Lebron in the playoffs before,
you know, you guys have pushed them, and he he
found he just found a way to stick the dagger
and he has he's found a way to stick in
(25:10):
the dagger in in the Celtics before. But I kind
of feel like since last year's finals run, there's a
different air about him. He always seemed he didn't lose
his confidence as much against you guys in shooting as
he did sometimes against the Spurs or another situation, but
sometimes he would. This year it seems different. Is that
is that? Is that like a confirmation? But I see
(25:31):
him make shots and I believe that, or having coached
against him and having watched this league, you believe it
to be true that winning a championship in Cleveland, he's different.
He's more confident even in the weak parts of his
game than he has been in the past. Yeah, he
definitely has a different look about him. I really believe,
(25:53):
you know, wants in the first amount of the playoffs
if the best I've ever seen him, and you know
that's not a it's not good thing for the rest
of the league. Um, he just has a look about him,
a confidence about him that you know he's not going
to be denied and he knows he could gets the
job done. I think the fact that they won the
championship last year in Cleveland, um, you know, really kind
(26:17):
of took the monkey off their back collectively as a
team at the city. And you know it's something that
h I think it's them this year. Well, listen, Frank,
we know you got the draft lottery, and if there's
ever a year to be in the draft light, this
seems like a good one. Like, nobody wants to win
twenty nine games, but this is a year to which
there's probably a guy or two that could really help
(26:40):
jump start your franchise, get people to buy more season tickets,
and of course get this thing turned around in the
right way. We wish you nothing but success and can't
wait to see what takes place tomorrow night and what
that does for you in the upcoming NBA Draft. Alright,
thanks for having on. I appreciate Frank Bogel. That's the
head coach of the Orlando Magic. Sports Radio has the
(27:01):
best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of
our shows at Fox Sports radio dot com and within
the I Heart radio app. Speaking to seven ESPN in
Seattle on Monday, Pete Carroll was asked if the team
looked to add either big name free agent quarterback Colin
Kaepernick or r G three is potential backups. That's because
(27:22):
their backup quarterback Trayvon Boykin is one in experience and
two was arrested in college at the Alumal Bowl, and
then he got into trouble again here in the off season.
They got Jake Heaps and Skyler Howard. Quote, we're looking
at everybody, we really are. We've been tracking everything that's
going on, and we've got cap and roster issues and
(27:44):
stuff like that. We're trying to manage properly. But quite frankly, yes,
we're looking at those guys. The Seahawks are still pondering
as it stea Hawks still pondering as a destination for
Kaepernick this offseason, as the quarterback gets the cold shoulder
from the n FELL after struggling the past two seasons
on the field and his national anthem protests off of it.
(28:08):
So look, I don't know if he's going to Seattle.
I know that. Pete Carroll's asked the question, and he
took the answer, uh, the easy answer like, Yep, we're
looking at everything, which doesn't necessarily mean they want to
sign him, but it would actually make some sense. Yes, Ryan,
would you agree? I think that that's not the way
you ask what do you think? Yes? Do you think
(28:31):
Pete Carroll is the type of head coach that usually
gets a pass from the media. Not a lot of
people are heavily critical of him. Uh? I just kind
of think we know who Pete Carroll is, right, Like
he's he's kind of happy, super energetic, doesn't really say anything,
you know, doesn't really tell you exactly what he thinks.
(28:51):
Why do you bring that up on him? So? Do
you think that if Colin Kaepernick were to go to
a team like the Seattle Seahawks with Pete Carroll as
their head coach, he will be sort of that buffer
for Kaepernick? I just think he'll be a backup quarterback.
And like, look, they already remember last year they wanted
to protest the some of the you know, the social
(29:12):
ash us and so instead of taking a knee, they
decided to lock arms. But what Yeah, But what I'm
saying is, like, do you think Pete Carroll is the
right type of head coach to handle what could come
with having Colin Kaepernick as your backup quarterback. I do
from this perspective like he's handled, He's able to handle
Russell Richard Sherman, you know who says things that I
(29:32):
think are far more offensive to the coaching staff and
may may get him run out of tent. Dan Dan
Buyers a Seahawks fans also, I would say this, They're
a veteran team, so like if you were to put
him on a younger team, I think there would be
it would be difficult for the other players to handle.
I think that there are enough veterans on that team
where if they were asked questions about them that they
would be able to handle it. It's a weird team.
Like Russell Wilson says all kinds of has said all
(29:55):
kinds of crazy stuff. He's kind of gotten a pass
for right, Like he had the magic water for a
while that cured him of concussions. You know then he
did that. You know that God helped them beat the
God helped him beat the Green Bay Packers, which ruffles
and feathery Richard Sherman telling the offensive coordinator Darryl bevel
what he can and can't run, and then they score
on a pass even though he said he shouldn't pass
the ball around. It's like a weird they're so outspoken
(30:17):
that it becomes white noise. But look, I just think
the big thing is the league has determined that he's
a backup and that he's a hard fit, and with
that herd fit, he's got some issues in terms of
corporate sponsors not wanting not wanting the protests. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Doug gott Leap Show
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Radio and the I Heart Radio app. What did the
(30:40):
Fox say? And now I continue to believe we have
the best sports lineup in national sports radio history. That
doesn't mean that I can't take shots at the takes
of my colleagues, right, nor if they can take shots
at at my takes. Take a list of what Colin
cow Hurt the Herd on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart app had to say about Kauai Leonard going
(31:03):
down and how it doesn't matter anyway. The better organization,
the more capable that organization is of weathering the loss
of a great employee. So Kawuhi Leonard goes down yesterday,
and all I hear is well, I mean if it
was for Kauai. Now, actually we have actual data on this.
(31:23):
The Spurs are eight and one this year without Kauai.
I don't want to hear Greg Popovitch. Now we can't
win with that. You are eight and one this year
without Kauai. I'll give you a pass. Yesterday it was destabilized,
but you have shown an ability to win games and
get here with all sorts of injuries. That sounds really good.
(31:47):
But if you lose your starting point guard and you
lose your best player, you're not being anybody in the
NBA playoffs. Let's see, if you're such a great organization,
you can there's five players on a basketball floor. You
lost two of your five best players, and you were
at a talent disparity to start, even if you had
all five of your best players. To me, the story
(32:11):
of the day is the attrition or lack there of
attrition that I believe the Warriors will go through and like, look,
that's no different than the Calves. The Calves were smartly
able to get through their first couple of series and
now they're going to get a team that's worn down
from their seven game series. But I also think that
(32:31):
the Calves would probably most like to play the Celtics
because the Celtics play very similar style and yet there
is a complete and utter mismatch in terms of size.
Like I just I can't see the Celtics taking more
than a game from the Calves, whereas whereas the Wizards,
I could see him taking two games, and I could
see him think I could see him making it a
little bit more difficult. I could can see the a
(32:54):
little bit more of the gradual reducing of strength or
effectiveness through sustain ain't attack or pressure. I really could
we lost the ability to have attrition on the Wars.
And maybe that's for the best. You want full strength Warriors,
full strength Cabs. You want both teams just get get
it done in four games and let's get it on
(33:15):
for seven games. Maybe that's what you want. But I
think attrition is has always been just like injuries, attrition
has always been kind of the untold story of the playoffs.
Speaking of the Warriors, take a listen to what Clay
Travis had to say in regards to UH coaching in
the NBA and what he would do if he was
(33:36):
a coach. I am the average NBA fan. I represent
him right. If you put me on the sideline for
the coach coaching the games themselves. I think if I
had coached eighty two games on the sideline this year
for the Warriors, I think that I would have won
sixty four games. The players basically coach themselves so many
(33:57):
NBA games. I would have the best talent in every game.
I would take direction from Steve Kerr, who's injured right now.
I think I could design plays in the context of
most of the NBA is just about philosophy. Yeah, that's
not even close to being true. That that's so far
from being true. It's not really funny. Now. Look, that
(34:19):
doesn't mean that you couldn't have assistant coaches that dropped
the place some coaches have that. Uh. But I would
say the thing that there is more of in the
NBA than anybody will ever know. There's more defense in
the NBA, and there's more coaching in the NBA then
you could ever fathom. Because there's two to two and
a half as many possessions in an NBA game as
(34:41):
there's a college game. There's coaching on simply every possession
between substitution pattern coaching out of a time out, coaching
in balanced plays, coaching to try and find a mismatch. Yeah,
there's actually a lot of coaching that it goes on
that's actually the opposite of the truth. Just the ID
you have, Hey, I can drop some place because it's
(35:01):
more about philosophy, like let's get the ball to Kevin
Durant and let's everybody else get out of the way,
Like where do you want me to stand? Just you
kind of know where to stand? Yeah, that's not a
can they coach? Can they police themselves? They can? But
remember all of these players were star players at some
point in their lives. That's how they got to the NBA.
(35:24):
So until you have somebody who make sure, you have
to find a way to manage the egos and to
assign the rules without managing the egos. In science that
there's an art to it. That's the philosophy he's talking about.
I agree with that. I understand that there's actually a
lot of coaching that takes place about hell, I mean,
(35:46):
look like Brady Hope forever coached in college fool without
a headset, Like what exactly is is he a philosopher.
What is what's going on there? That's what the Fox
says say
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